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The 2025 current time is 300 PM. Madame
Clerk, could you call roll, please?

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» Council member Beaver

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» here.
>> Council member Miller

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» here.
>> Council member Wolsey

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» here.
>> Mayor Proton Venable

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» here.
>> Mayor Thorp

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» here.
>> All present.

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» Thank you, ma'am.
And no public comment.

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» No comments tonight.
>> All right. So, with that, we will move

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into our conference room. Current time
is still 3 p.m.

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» Thank you.

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There you go.

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Gabe, check. Check. Test us.

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» You're muted.
>> Check. Check.

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» There we go.
>> Sorry, I had to run from the uh

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» AV room down to the podium. So you could
so you could hear me.

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» Okay. How about this?
>> Um do you have like you're on your phone

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or could you can you hit your volume up?
You're not bad but I can um

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» I'm on speaker phone. So I'll take it.
Hold on. Let me try this. How about with

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it on just regular device instead of
speaker?

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» Um that's a little better. Let me just
go. Let me grab the iPad. Give me two

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seconds. Yeah.

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All right, I bumped you up a little bit.
Can you try again?

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» Yeah, how about now?
>> Yeah, it's much better.

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» Hello. Okay.
>> Do you want to try to kick back to your

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speaker so you can see the um
presentation stuff?

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Yeah, because I'm in the gym right now,
so there's going to be some background

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noise, but
how about now? I'm on speaker.

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» That sounds pretty good. Um, let me just
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» I can kick it. If you want to see the
presentation, I can share the screen or

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you you think you're good?
>> Yeah, I'm good. As long as it's as long

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as we're tracking. I'm just gonna have
to have somebody bump it to the next

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slide, but uh Trevor said he'll do that.
>> Yeah, if Trevor's there or we can do

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that if you just say next slide. Um,
whatever's easier. So,

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» yeah, I'll just say next slide. Yep.
Sounds like a plan. Cool. Um, well, you

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sound good. So,
>> yeah, just join.

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» No, I'm doing both because we kind of
left it ambiguous on the stats, but I'll

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let her know.
>> Sounds like a plan.

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» Cool. Thanks, Gabe.
>> You got it. Thank you.

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» See you.
>> All right. Bye.

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Hey, Grant. It's Gabe.

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» Hey, let me uh You got me?
>> Yeah, you're good. We can hear you. Can

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you see the screen?
>> I can. Yes. Thank you.

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» Okay, awesome. Thanks. So, I'll I'll
mute it until uh till I'm up.

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» Perfect. Sounds good.
>> Cool. Thanks.

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Hey Sandy, can you hear us?
>> Yes, I can.

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» Okay, perfect. We got you clear. If you
just uh mute yourself till you're ready,

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you'd be good to go.
>> Yes.

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» Thanks.
>> Thanks.

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Don't pull that against me.
This is

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good.

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Keep it cranked up.

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Look who's here.

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This is a good

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morning.

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She's doing

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Thank you so much.

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Cheers.

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Yes, I'll get in the morning.

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Hey, Councilman Beaver, can you hear us?
>> Loud and clear.

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» Sounds good. Thank you.

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» Hey Jasmine, can you hear us?

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Y
>> Hey. Hey, Jasmine, you're muted. Could

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we just get a test for audio, please?

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is now joining.

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» Hey, is that you, Jasmine? Can you hear
us now?

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» Yes, I I can.
>> Great. Coming through loud and clear. If

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you'll just uh mute yourself till you're
ready, we're good to go.

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Thank you.
>> Thanks.

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» 30 seconds.

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Okay.

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» Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Call
our normally scheduled city council

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meeting to order for August 25th, 2025.
Current time is 6 pm.

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We'll have uh Pastor Mike FR lead us in
prayer, followed by our new captain

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doing the pledge of allegiance. Could I
get everybody to please rise?

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Let's pray together. Heavenly Father,
thank you for our city. Thank you for

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our leaders. God, I pray that tonight
you would give them wisdom to know what

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to do and the courage to do it. God, I
pray that as we speak to each other,

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whether we agree or disagree, we would
do that with honor and with dignity and

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with respect. And that tonight would
honor you. We're grateful, God, for

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where you've brought us. And we look
forward to where you're going to lead

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us. And so lead us tonight and thank you
for the privilege of being here and

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thank you for the opportunity that's in
front of us. And it's in the name of

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Jesus we pray these things in Jesus
name. Amen.

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» To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands nationy

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andice for all.

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Thank you, pastor and captain.

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» Madame clerk, would you please call
role?

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» Council member Miller
>> here.

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» Council member Wolsey here. Mayor Prot
Benibal

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» here.
>> Mayor Thorp

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» here.
>> Joining us via teleconference tonight is

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Council Member Beaver. Council member
Beaver, are you present?

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» I am.
>> Thank you, sir. And can you confirm that

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the agenda was posted at your location
72 hours in advance?

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» It was.
>> Thank you. And for the record, Council

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Member Beaver is joining us from the
Courtyard Washington Downtown Convention

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Center.

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» Thank you, ma'am. Mr. City attorney.
>> Uh thank you, mayor. Uh for the item of

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uh city manager recruitment, uh the city
council interviewed executive search

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firms in close session. Uh and the city
manager will be executing an agreement

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with HR dynamics and performance
management in an amount not to exceed

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$25,000.
Thank you.

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» Thank you, sir.

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» Interim city manager. Any changes to the
agenda?

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Uh, mayor, there there is one change to
the urgency item uh, regarding the fire

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code. We have an amended uh, urgency
ordinance has been placed in the back

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and and is available on the city's
website. A copy has been given to all

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the council members. Uh, the short
version is that we removed remodeling

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from one of the trigger requirements uh,
for the fire sprinklers. So now it is

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simply new uh mobile homes, manufactured
homes or or relocated mobile homes and

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manufactured homes. We no longer have
remodeling listed.

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» Perfect. Thank you, sir. With that,
we'll move to our special presentations.

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We have our lieutenant in the sheriff's
department.

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» Good evening, honorable mayor and
council. As you know, our captain Walker

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has been reassigned to our specialized
investig investigations division. We do

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have our new captain, Captain Brandon
Weeble, here to give a real quick uh

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introduction to himself and do the
public safety update. Uh Captain Weeble

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came from the scientific investigations
division and I will turn it over to him

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for a little brief intro.
>> Good evening, mayor and city council. My

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name is Brandon Weeble. I'm the newly
assigned captain at the Ukipa station. I

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want to start by saying that I'm really
excited to be here, although this will

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be my first time assigned to the UKIPA
station. It's not the first time that

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I've been involved with the station. Uh
my father was assigned here as a

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detective between 1995 and 2000. I spent
numerous hours with him at the station,

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which is where my interest in law
enforcement began.

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I'm a lifelong resident of the
surrounding area. I was raised in Grand

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Terrace and I currently live in Bumont.
I have several friends and family that

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live in Ukipa and I've always enjoyed
being here. I've heard nothing but great

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things about the personnel assigned to
the station and the support that we

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receive from the community and city
officials. I'm looking forward to

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picking up from where Captain Walker
left off, however great that challenge

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may be. I say that because from what
I've uh seen and been told, Captain

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Walker did a phenomenal job here. I'm
also looking forward to building

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relationships with the city and the
residents that we serve and working in a

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collaborative manner to ensure that
Ukipa continues to be one of the safest

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cities in California. Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. With that, we like to

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come down and join us in the front of
the DAS for a quick photo.

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Thank you.
[Applause]

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So now that everybody knows who you are,
you want to do the safety report for the

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sheriff's department.

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All right. So for the safety report for
July of 2025

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for calls for service, we had 3,659
uh little almost 500 more than the month

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of June. Uh however, we maintained a
3minut average response time to

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emergency calls. Uh peak call times
continued to be Sunday through Tuesday

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afternoon.
Part one crimes, we had one reported

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rape. Um, here it says one robbery.
However, uh that's going to be a county

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uh issue. Um,
and we had 22 aggravated assaults, uh,

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seven burglaries, 18 thefts, two motor
vehicle thefts.

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For arrests in July, we had 95 arrests.
63 were adult bookings into one of our

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correctional facilities. The most common
arrests were uh narcotic related

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offenses, warrant arrests, trespass
offenses, and domestic violence

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incidents.
For our traffic enforcement division, we

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had 145 traffic citations issued in the
month of July and 15 traffic accident

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investigations,
two DUI arrests, and three office of

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traffic safety operation uh operations,
sorry.

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And finally, for our solutionoriented
policing team, they handled 33 CH

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transient calls for service. Uh, six
complaints came in via the UKIPA app in

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July, which is down from about 33 in
June. Five subjects accepted assistance

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or information, and there was one
placement. Uh, they conducted

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approximately 40 park patrols and banket
property checks. the continued

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collaboration with local business owners
and managers, and 13 updated letters of

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agency, uh, code enforcement drone
flights to locate illegal firework

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activity, which resulted in three cited
for fireworks. And I'm happy to report

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that during the 2025 point in time
count, uh, we had four unsheltered

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subjects, which was a 70% decrease from
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Any questions?
>> Thank you, sir. My colleagues have any

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questions? No. All right. Thank you.
Thank you.

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Next will be the fire department. Chief
Brownowski

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by by
>> Good evening.

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» There he is. Okay.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Good evening, Mayor and Council. Sorry,
I apologize I couldn't be there. I'm

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currently deployed on a strike team uh
up in Fresno County. Um besides our 100

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degree plus days, we're seeing a uh
statewide lightning activity causing an

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immense amount of initial attack and
extended attack fires. So nothing quite

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major fires yet, but uh helping out our
our neighbors up north. Uh so stats for

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uh Yukipa fire for July. We can go next
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Uh 781 calls per service, which is a
very busy month. Um and uh your kind of

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normal breakdown there on calls. Nothing
out of the ordinary. We'll go next

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slide.
Uh so on July 16th, units from Ukipa uh

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city Calire and the Forest Service
received a report of a fire at Potato

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Canyon. Uh upon leaving the office, I uh
saw we had an obvious working fire. I

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was able to rolling request uh you know
just coming out of the office there uh

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doubling our our air assets including a
sorry about that a large air tanker

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um which is a like a -8 not the uh jumbo
jet. So, I was first on scene, found an

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acre in heavy old growth oak
that was immediately uh threatening

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structures on Sunset. Uh tied in with
Captain Walker, we issued evacuation

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order uh for Sunset and Potato Canyon
with some road closures. Uh our

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resources out of the Bryant station took
immediate action and they had task

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forced up our 2,000galon water tender
that we have from the Oakland contract

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uh which proved valuable to mitigate
that structure threat. uh air tankers

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were allow allowed the uh the fire to be
boxed in with retardant before it

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reached an adjacent canyon which is uh
primarily grass. Had it spread in that

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canyon, we would have been looking at an
extended attack or a major incident

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there.
Um firefighters were able to uh contain

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the fire to one and a half acres.
And just, you know, a note for the

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public, we get a lot of pressure to open
roads and and lift orders as soon as

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they don't see smoke in the air. But as
a reminder, that fire started with one

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spark and until we mop it up 100%
there's thousands if not hundreds of

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thousands of sparks in the ground we got
to mop up. And now next slide.

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Uh so part of the advantage of me being
a certified large tree faller for our

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department, I was able to certify all
our staff in wildland chainsaws. Uh this

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is a formalized training that's a a
didactic uh test and field evaluation.

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Next

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And then Fourth of July, as we do
annually, we were able to uh I was able

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to issue a permit along with our fire
marshal for the fireworks show at Yappa

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High School. We provided standby for
that on the firing pad and in our

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adjacent wildlands, uh with no issues.
And then also enforcement, um which we'd

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kind of talked about previously,
um anecdotally living in the city and I

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think stats wise, we saw a large
decrease in aerial fireworks and overall

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fireworks. Uh during our our multi-
um agency enforcement, our CalFire law

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enforcement did confiscate several
hundred pounds of fireworks. Uh all safe

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and sane type. They uh issued warnings.
A lot of it was a misconception on, hey,

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I bought this from a fireworks stand.
It's good to go. And uh not

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understanding that no fireworks are
legal in Ukipa. Uh our staff uh wasn't

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unable to track down any aerial
fireworks uh despite their best efforts

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and roving patrols uh although sheriffs
did uh site several people for aerial

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type fireworks even though all are
dangerous and will cause fires. That's

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end report and answer any questions.
>> Thank you chief colleagues have any

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questions comments? All right. Thank you
sir. Brings us to code enforcement. Mr.

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Vincent.

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» Mr. Mayor, council, good evening.
These are the code enforcement

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statistics for July 2025.
Uh we had 44 new cases submitted. 10 of

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those 44 were resolved by the end of the
month.

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Like usual, the uh top cases are
overgrown vegetation, maintenance of

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rideaway, and trash and debris. This is
an example of kind of a flop pad I

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describe it as. It's a shed in an
abandoned property or a a rural property

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that uh some people kind of turned into
like their little drug den. So, we

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cleaned that up for them.

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As far as inspection activity goes, we
had 94 inspections, 67 total cases

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closed out. Uh over $10,000 received in
citation fees. Uh, one comprehensive

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mobile home inspection was completed,
three poultry ranch inspections were

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completed, and uh, one property was
approved for the fine forgiveness

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program. They applied for that program
while it was still active and we're

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still going through the process. It was
finally completed in July. Uh, this is

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another uh, transient
camp uh, that we cleaned up in the city

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in July. Uh, that's the end of my report
unless you have any questions.

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» Thank you, sir.
>> I don't have questions, but I have two

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comments.
>> Yes, ma'am.

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» Um, about two weeks ago, um, I noticed
in front of our mobile home park two

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individuals that were in the drainage
ditch. Um, and it looked like one

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possibly was using drugs. I took
pictures. I text that to you. Within 10

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minutes, I swear they had them. They had
left the area, walked down the street,

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and uh the one car got the individuals.
The second one came up and uh checked

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down in the drainage as to what all was
there, if there was anything. So, uh I

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know for the people in my mobile home
park, we definitely appreciate that. Uh,

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second comment. Last Monday, I got to
observe two junk cars removed from the

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corner of Third and E, which uh was a
result of the ordinance that we passed.

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And I got to talk to the neighbor that
lived next door, and she is so excited

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and so happy and so appreciative that we
were able to do that. Now, we just have

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to get them to clean up their junk, but
at least we've got rid of the cars. And

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I just personally want to thank code
enforcement and the soft team and the

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job that uh your people do. We
appreciate you.

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» We appreciate your thanks. Thank you
very much, ma'am.

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» Anything else?
>> You

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Chris. Yeah.
>> All right. Thank you, sir.

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» Thank you, sir.
>> Justin, you have to remind me if you

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have anything to say because I'm not
used to being on the speaker.

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» All right. I definitely will if I need
to, sir. Thank you.

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» Okay, there we are. Just want to make
sure we still had you. Uh, with that,

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uh, Madam Clerk, do we have any public
comment?

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» We do.
>> We will start with Michelle Farah,

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followed by Hansen Wong.

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Just a quick reminder, you have three
minutes to speak. Please state your name

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and address for the record.

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» Uh, my name is Michelle Farage. I live
at 332

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33 Colorado Street.
Um,

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I just wanted to ask or make some
statements about some policies that uh

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you folks have for the city. Uh, your
general rules about building and who

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gets to build and who doesn't. Um
there's a big ordinance about no metal

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buildings, no metal roofing, and yet in
today's climate where we are all worried

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about fires. Um we're still not being
allowed to put together metal sheds and

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put metal roofs on our homes or anything
of that sort. But yet there are lots of

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properties who get to like in the middle
of our um shopping area there is a

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I think it was considered a senior
housing project uh which is totally made

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out of metal metal siding, metal top. I
know we're supposed to be building

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things that look
like surrounding area and that by means

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does not, you know, portray that code.
There are buildings planted on the

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outside uh corridors of the 10 freeway,
all done out of metal. all do not

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represent the housing around it or
buildings around it. So I just want to

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know that um
is it just deep pockets that get to do

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these things or does the average person
get to protect their properties by

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building them in ways that more or less
protect them?

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So I also can take a moment and just say
that I'm not for a lot of your corridor

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area uh plans. Um, I think it's called
the freeway corridor. I'm live there. I

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get to see all that traffic. Sunday
mornings takes me 13 minutes to get to

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work. During the week, it takes me 45.
Unless there's an accident, then it can

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be well over an hour. So, I can't
imagine what it's going to be like with

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all these additional houses and trucks
trying to go through there. And as far

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as I've seen, I haven't seen any
expansion for our freeway corridor

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through that area either.
But

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so I guess there's no comments back. But
um Long Oak Glenn Road, great to have

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businesses get put in there, but I'm
also very incredibly disappointed that

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you took away the Dunlap Park. Dunlap
has always been sort of the red

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stepchild of Ukipa, and it shouldn't be.
Those citizens deserve more than they

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usually get. from schools to parks to a
drainage system that took 40 years to

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develop. So, good job on the drainage
system.

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Really boohoo for the rest of it. That's
all I needed to say. Thanks.

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Next, we have Mark Westwood followed by
Rain Mendoza.

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at the conclusion of our meeting. Could
we have someone reach out to that last

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public speaker to kind of go over the
code section?

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» Thank you.

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» Okay. I'm uh here to represent KQH and
do a quick followup on the fireworks.

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And I don't know whether you're aware or
not, but KQH has over 90,000 listeners a

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day now. 92.5. It's Ukipa's radio
station. And I got together with Judy

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Wley. We're talking about animals and
pets and fireworks. And uh we did 75

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92nd announcements on KQH 4 days prior
to the 4th of July. So uh we just wanted

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to say that we're proud to have done
that and maybe we've helped a little bit

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on that. So thank you.

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» Next we have Rain Mendoza.

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Okay.

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» All right. Hi. Um, my name is Rain
Mendoza and um, I follow Representative

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over newsletter and I noticed that he
came to UKIPA and discussed with um,

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Mayor John Thorp about uh, key
priorities for the city and how to

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continue working together. But I
couldn't find online what exactly these

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key priorities were and such which way
would be continuing working together. Um

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so if there's any way I can get that
information I would really like that.

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This is my concern because we are trying
to develop in Ukipa and a lot of us are

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very open about our opinions in the way
we want Ukipa to grow and so I don't

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know if or where representative over
Nol's

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um
stance is such as the um per warehouses

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in Ukra and industry. Um,
that is all I would just like more

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transparency with how our our city
government is communicating with the

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rest of government. Um, especially how
it pertains to us because we live here.

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So that's it. Thank you.

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» I have no more comments for general
public.

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» All right. Thank you, ma'am. With that,
um, this is the time for city council

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members to disclose if they have any,
uh, conflicts of interest.

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Seeing seeing hearing none. Okay.
Brings us to the consent agenda.

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Is there any items that council wants to
pull or talk about?

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» Yes, I would like to pull item five.
>> Okay. Anybody else?

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Mr.
Miller.

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Okay. With that, do I have a motion to
accept items one through four and six

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through eight?
>> Mr. Mayor, I'll approve or make a motion

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to approve uh the items uh except for
number five, which we'll have for

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discussion.
>> I'll second that.

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» So, we got a first and a second. Those
in favor?

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» I I mayor
>> I

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» um you know what? I'm so sorry. We got
to do a roll call vote. I apologize.

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» That's right.
>> So,

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» Council Member Bieber,
>> yes.

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» Council member Miller,
>> yes.

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» Council member Wolsey,
>> yes.

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» Mayor Prom Benibal,
>> yes.

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» Mayor Thorp,
>> yes.

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» Motion carried.
>> Okay, with that, item number five.

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» Okay, thank you. Um, few questions that
I have. Uh first of all um does work

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have to be done on this project before
the grant is applied for?

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Uh good evening mayor and council
members. Um

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for this grant program uh the only work
that occurs after the grant is awarded

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is is eligible for grant funding. So we
would have to wait until we would have

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to wait until the results of their
review and and if the grant is approved

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then we can begin the work.
>> So we have to wait for the grant to be

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approved before the work can be done.
>> Yes. Correct.

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» Okay. Just trying to clarify here. Okay.
Um I do have concerns about the grant

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anyway. um you know with the um
atmosphere that's going on between

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federal government and state government
um I would think that grants will be

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very iffy uh for money to come to
California. So uh that was my major

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concern about whether the work could be
done first or not. Um have we gotten any

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bids or anything on what this project is
actually going to cost?

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» Uh yes we have. We uh we did receive an
estimate uh regarding the ballfield

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lighting itself. I think it was 740,000
for the ballfield lighting.

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» Okay.
>> And then for the landscaping is about

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200,00060,000
for the parking lot lighting.

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» Okay. Now also in here um it talks about
the letter of con of intent for that one

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acre of land to be purchased which will
have to be sold to help pay for our

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share of the grant. Am I correct on
that?

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Yes.
>> Okay. Um, what happens if that letter of

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intent would go away? If they change
their mind or something, do we have

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anyone else interested in this property?
Has it been advertised?

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» The the property has not uh been
advertised since uh there's an exclusive

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negotiation agreement between uh the
city and uh the other party. I believe

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it's Tuscanos. Um so that that is the
only process that we've gone through

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today. Um I believe that if if that if
the uh property is not sold u you know

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under the terms and conditions of that
exclusive negotiations agreement then

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the city council would have the you know
the option to uh pursue that same type

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of agreement with another party. But it
uh to answer your question it it has not

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been advertised. It was something that
was uh it it it came to uh the city and

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then um that opportunity came to the
city which was presented to the city

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council for the exclusive negotiation
agreement

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» and that was in 21 correct?
>> Yes.

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» Yes. Okay.
So I just um to clarify this for myself

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for the people watching and the for the
people sitting here $1 million would be

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borrowed from the general fund.
Uh uh no no it would it would be um

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» from the diff fund.
>> It would be from the diff fund where the

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where the project is
>> to put into the general fund.

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» The the grant the grant is for the grant
is the grant request is for half a

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million
>> which would require a half a million

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dollar local match from the city.
>> And we what we are recommending is that

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the half a million come from the
proceeds of the sale of the property

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that you referred to earlier.
>> Okay.

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Okay. I just need to clarify this. Um
the 1 million we would be going after a

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grant for$1 million.
>> Uh now we would be going and we would be

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requesting half a million dollars.
>> Okay. Because the way I was reading it,

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you know, we would be requesting a $1
million grant, but we had to put up the

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$500,000 to show that we had that.
>> We we are requesting $1 million for a

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project of which the city will pay 50%
and the grant will pay 50%.

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» Okay. Phil's going to straighten me out
here.

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» Yeah. No, for me, not it exactly
correct. So, the grant award is

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$500,000.
Um the grant requires a match of of an

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equal amount. So the total project costs
of a million dollars is funded half with

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the grant and then half um
really uh through the development impact

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fee fund. Um and uh that would require
uh transfers from the general fund that

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would be funded through sale of surplus
property.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» Um I'm not against the ball fields
lighting the ball fields. It's very

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important, you know, that the kids have
a place to safely play and um they could

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be used more uh than they are currently
now. Uh you know, actually, we could

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probably use more ball fields. We could
use more facilities where our uh young

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or maybe um younger, healthier, older um
children could play. Uh we have a lot of

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problems now with ebikes and and uh
bicycles and all this type of thing

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going on in the city because they have
no place to ride. Uh there's lots of

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trails which is good for hiking and
horse riding but there's nothing for

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these kids. So um you know we've cut out
a lot of services that people have

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complained about and I think down the
road uh we need to um take that into

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consideration also. uh not just spec
specialize like in in ball fields. We

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need to look into providing more
services for these kids. Uh I'm not I'm

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not against the ball fields. I'm not
really against this or for this. Um I

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need to um do some uh thinking on this
before we vote.

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Just to clarify too, this area of Ukipa
was previously owned by the Finkelstein

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family. And so any property that the
city owns in that area that was

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originally donated to the city of Ukipa,
the revenues generated from the sale can

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only be used specifically in that area
of the community. So I just wanted to

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03:16:01,840 --> 03:16:08,000
make sure we weren't just picking always
one spot and it helps us complete the

426
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:11,840
13th Street Sports Complex.
>> Right. And to clarify, the revenue will

427
03:16:10,239 --> 03:16:16,080
have to be can only be used for
recreational purposes.

428
03:16:13,279 --> 03:16:20,160
» Okay. And once again, just to clarify,
no construction will be done until the

429
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:23,720
grant is awarded.
>> Correct.

430
03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:23,720
» Okay.

431
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:28,560
» Thank you, uh, Council Member Wizzley. I
appreciate your comments and I'm I'm

432
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:31,279
glad to see we're going to be lighting
some ball fields down there. I know the

433
03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:34,640
youth league is going to love that. And
I think that's been a plan for a while

434
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:37,359
is to upgrade them. And can you tell me
what fields we're going to be upgrading?

435
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:41,760
I think we had talked about a little bit
earlier. Uh yes, the uh there are four

436
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:46,960
fields at the facility. Um actually
three little leagues softball fields and

437
03:16:44,399 --> 03:16:50,960
then one smaller field which is
essentially just an infield uh no

438
03:16:48,960 --> 03:16:55,840
outfield. So the the three fields that
are being proposed for lighting are the

439
03:16:53,040 --> 03:16:59,520
the three larger fields. So not not the
smaller t-ball field and and these are

440
03:16:57,680 --> 03:17:04,399
the the ball fields that are located on
the west side of 13th Street at the um

441
03:17:02,319 --> 03:17:07,359
adjacent to the skate park.
>> Thank you. you know, and we have to

442
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:11,920
remember baseball is a wonderful brand
in this town, softball, baseball, and I

443
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:15,279
think anything we can do to encourage
that uh in the future is a good thing,

444
03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:19,520
and I know our youth leagues will be
appreciative of that. So, uh I hope we

445
03:17:17,439 --> 03:17:24,160
get the grant. Uh no, no problem. Most
of these grants are matching grants

446
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:27,439
anyways. Um and u obviously it's been a
historical thing that we're able to do.

447
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:31,200
So, I appreciate the work that staff has
done on that uh to seek these grants.

448
03:17:29,760 --> 03:17:35,200
But I do appreciate council members
Wisley's uh comments especially about I

449
03:17:33,600 --> 03:17:38,800
agree with you on the ebike issue and
and now it seems to be many bikes

450
03:17:37,359 --> 03:17:44,399
running up and down the road. So we'll
chat about that with our new captain u

451
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:49,319
pretty soon I'm sure. So thank you.
>> Thank you sir. Mayor Proton

452
03:17:49,760 --> 03:17:56,239
me.
>> Councilman Beaver.

453
03:17:53,520 --> 03:18:00,319
» I'll make a motion to approve the item.
>> I'll second. Okay. I've got a first and

454
03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:01,600
a second. Those in favor?
>> I

455
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:04,960
» I mayor.
>> Oh, I did it again.

456
03:18:03,120 --> 03:18:09,279
» I'm so sorry. Just a reminder, every
vote tonight has to be via roll call

457
03:18:07,120 --> 03:18:15,840
vote um due to Councilman Bieber joining
us via teleconference.

458
03:18:12,720 --> 03:18:19,040
» Council member Bieber.
>> Yes. And my apologies.

459
03:18:17,760 --> 03:18:20,720
» Council member Miller.
>> I.

460
03:18:19,600 --> 03:18:22,720
» Council member Wolsey.
>> Hi.

461
03:18:21,120 --> 03:18:28,200
» Mayor Prom Benibal. I
>> Mayor Thorp.

462
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:28,200
» Yes. I motion carried.

463
03:18:29,359 --> 03:18:35,319
All right. Thank you. That takes us to
item number nine, Chief Malinowski.

464
03:18:35,760 --> 03:18:41,840
» Yes. Good evening again, Mayor and
Council. Uh so the item before you is uh

465
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:46,880
bringing back the procurement of the
command vehicle for the uh second staff

466
03:18:44,080 --> 03:18:51,279
battalion chief. Uh we diligently worked
on the recommendations from council. Uh

467
03:18:48,720 --> 03:18:56,160
given uh the fact there was about a week
of reflex time um before having to turn

468
03:18:53,600 --> 03:19:01,600
in staff reports for this meeting. Uh we
did reach out to Bangor. We did get some

469
03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:07,040
informal uh quotes with that amount of
time. They were unable to provide us a

470
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:12,640
formal uh quote and the informal quotes
um they gave us a range of 145,000 to

471
03:19:10,880 --> 03:19:17,920
165,000
um with an estimated estimated uh

472
03:19:15,439 --> 03:19:23,600
purchase of 155,000 which was the same
purchase that we had had received on our

473
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:27,760
estimates for an outright purchase.
Uh, as we discussed, Phil and I

474
03:19:26,239 --> 03:19:32,319
discussed, there was also some other uh,
purchasing policy issues. Um, so we

475
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:35,840
didn't see an appreciable savings with
this purchase. And since this vehicle

476
03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:39,680
was a one-off and they didn't have an
existing,

477
03:19:37,359 --> 03:19:42,960
uh, contract, like, state contract, DJS
contract, source wall contract, we were

478
03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:50,080
unable to piggyback. we would have to
put this out to RFP with our spec uh fly

479
03:19:46,960 --> 03:19:55,680
that accept the bids and then uh close
it and award an RFP to a lender and

480
03:19:53,600 --> 03:19:59,040
without an appreciable savings and with
the additional lag time of that we

481
03:19:57,520 --> 03:20:04,239
didn't see that as a good option for
this. However, in looking into it and

482
03:20:02,080 --> 03:20:08,319
discussion from last council, uh staff
did see that there may be a potential

483
03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:12,319
benefit for a fleetwide uh leasing
contract at least to get more due

484
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:16,640
diligence with uh additional time we'll
need to take a better accurate look at

485
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:20,800
that. So, the recommendation for you
tonight was to uh approve the

486
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:25,359
procurement of the vehicle with the
downtown of Sacramento for a purchase

487
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:28,640
price of $64,72.
Uh we would also come back to you for

488
03:20:26,720 --> 03:20:33,760
the command portion built on a separate
agenda item at a future staff or future

489
03:20:31,200 --> 03:20:37,359
council meeting. And then we also uh uh
provide direction to staff regarding a

490
03:20:35,439 --> 03:20:42,640
comprehensive lease strategy for the
city's vehicle fleet which I don't want

491
03:20:40,479 --> 03:20:48,720
to speak for Phil but I believe would be
uh more in time with bringing that back

492
03:20:44,640 --> 03:20:52,960
for our next uh city budget.
That's what I have for you and answer

493
03:20:50,560 --> 03:20:57,520
any questions.
>> Thank you sir. My colleagues have any

494
03:20:54,479 --> 03:21:02,399
questions or comments?
>> No, I'll make a motion.

495
03:21:01,359 --> 03:21:06,800
» I'll second.
>> All right, we have a first and a second.

496
03:21:03,840 --> 03:21:09,680
And with that, a roll call vote. Council
>> member,

497
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:11,120
» yes.
>> Council member Miller,

498
03:21:10,720 --> 03:21:12,560
» yes.
>> Council member Wolsey,

499
03:21:12,239 --> 03:21:14,080
» yes.
>> Mayor Promal,

500
03:21:13,760 --> 03:21:15,279
» yes.
>> Mayor Thorp,

501
03:21:14,880 --> 03:21:18,680
» yes.
>> Motion carried.

502
03:21:19,359 --> 03:21:26,800
» Okay, Madam Clerk. Item number 10.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Item number 10 is

503
03:21:24,319 --> 03:21:32,080
going to be the monthly usage report for
the uh UKIPA mobile app. This is going

504
03:21:28,960 --> 03:21:38,000
to be for the month of July of 2025.
Okay. Very similarly to last month, we

505
03:21:34,239 --> 03:21:46,760
had a total of 274 monthly users uh
reports submitted, reports issued, uh

506
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:46,760
355 and the top issue again was streets.

507
03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:55,120
We had a total of
I'm sorry 97 uh street issues that were

508
03:21:53,120 --> 03:21:59,600
reported. Uh we had code issues that
came in in a close second with 77 issues

509
03:21:57,680 --> 03:22:05,359
and then illegal fireworks was a close
third with 67 issues reported.

510
03:22:02,880 --> 03:22:08,319
Uh per council's request at the last
presentation of this item you had

511
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:12,960
requested that we add some response
times. I went ahead and added response

512
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:17,279
times for the top three um street city
issues. The average response time is two

513
03:22:15,040 --> 03:22:21,760
and a half days. for code enforcement is
just a little over two and a half days.

514
03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:26,080
And then unfortunately our um our app
was not able to capture the uh response

515
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:30,239
time for illegal fireworks. But those
were the top three issues. And that

516
03:22:28,479 --> 03:22:35,840
concludes my presentation. I'm happy to
answer any questions.

517
03:22:33,120 --> 03:22:41,680
» Thank you, ma'am. Anybody have questions
or concerns, comments?

518
03:22:40,399 --> 03:22:44,560
» All right. That's a receiving file. We
don't have to vote on this one, right?

519
03:22:42,880 --> 03:22:47,279
» We don't have to vote on this. Um I did
have a question though. I just wanted to

520
03:22:45,760 --> 03:22:52,160
see if I could get some clarification
from council. Um, this item as it is a a

521
03:22:50,399 --> 03:22:56,160
recoccurring monthly item. Is this
something that the council would like to

522
03:22:53,520 --> 03:23:00,080
cons continue to see as a report or
should we add this to the consent

523
03:22:57,680 --> 03:23:04,399
agenda? I'd be happy to add additional
information to the report. If you'd like

524
03:23:02,239 --> 03:23:09,120
for it to go back on consent, um, we can
add some more detailed information, but

525
03:23:06,720 --> 03:23:16,000
it's completely up to the council. Are
we getting more users by by um you know

526
03:23:12,720 --> 03:23:21,840
reporting this?
>> Yeah, it's it's uh I would say it's very

527
03:23:19,279 --> 03:23:28,960
consistent. Um
July we had 274. Last month we had 169.

528
03:23:26,000 --> 03:23:33,040
So I think it just varies. Um it varies
on the time of the year. Um but

529
03:23:31,279 --> 03:23:36,640
consistently you're going to see that
every month the top issue is always

530
03:23:34,720 --> 03:23:41,200
going to be streets. Um the response
times are going to be pretty consistent.

531
03:23:39,120 --> 03:23:44,000
It's going to be a lot of the same
report.

532
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:48,160
» Yeah, I just Matt that's one of the
reasons why I brought it, excuse me, to

533
03:23:46,239 --> 03:23:52,000
the attention, you know, just to get
more users out there because there's

534
03:23:49,920 --> 03:23:57,439
full of information on anything that we
do here in the city. We try to be more

535
03:23:55,040 --> 03:24:02,399
transparent for everybody to see what we
do and stuff. And it's all on the app.

536
03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:06,960
you know, you can go in there for dates
on the ribbon cutting cutings and and

537
03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:10,160
everything that that we do in the city
and stuff. And I think that there's

538
03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:14,880
reports in there from code enforcements
that we you can see, you know, the

539
03:24:12,880 --> 03:24:19,920
progress that we're doing and and so
that's that's why I really like to see

540
03:24:17,680 --> 03:24:26,160
it on the regular agenda than the
consent to maybe help boost it. So,

541
03:24:24,560 --> 03:24:28,800
» yeah, absolutely. Completely up to the
council. There's some other things that

542
03:24:27,520 --> 03:24:32,160
maybe we could do. We could do some
social media posts to try to promote

543
03:24:30,319 --> 03:24:36,720
this. Um, but whatever the council would
like.

544
03:24:33,040 --> 03:24:38,800
» So, I'm good with anything either way.
>> Any input.

545
03:24:37,680 --> 03:24:41,920
» Uh, comment. Yeah,
>> I think

546
03:24:39,520 --> 03:24:48,000
» Go ahead, Justin. Sorry.
>> Apologies. I think uh um having this is

547
03:24:46,319 --> 03:24:51,040
number one, our our we know that our
police and our fire and our code

548
03:24:48,960 --> 03:24:55,680
enforcement are doing outstanding jobs
um for our community. Public works does

549
03:24:53,200 --> 03:25:00,479
an amazing job as well. we um we may not
see it as often, but anytime we have an

550
03:24:58,479 --> 03:25:05,359
opportunity for, you know, even if Scott
himself is to come up and kind of give a

551
03:25:01,920 --> 03:25:09,760
report on big projects that our our
public works have undertaken, um the

552
03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:13,680
community sees the issues. They see the
potholes. They see any type of uh

553
03:25:11,359 --> 03:25:16,239
roadway conditions or signage issues. I
think it's an opportunity for them to

554
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:19,920
come out and say, "Yeah, here's in the
last two weeks since our last meeting or

555
03:25:18,000 --> 03:25:24,000
or the last four weeks, here's kind of
what our public works have captured." um

556
03:25:22,160 --> 03:25:28,319
that honestly our public works I think
they're uh overworked certainly

557
03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:31,760
understaffed and I would love to try to
champion them their cause because they

558
03:25:29,840 --> 03:25:35,920
they are doing truly phenomenal work
while the rest of us especially during

559
03:25:33,600 --> 03:25:39,760
times in inclement weather know during
hurricane I think Hillary we were all

560
03:25:38,560 --> 03:25:44,479
batting down the hatches and staying
indoors and our public works were out

561
03:25:41,279 --> 03:25:48,319
there clearing drainage canals so
um I know Fine and Fine's team Scott

562
03:25:46,720 --> 03:25:50,319
Washurn and all the folks over there do
incredible work and I would love to

563
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:53,279
highlight it at our city council
meetings on a monthly basis

564
03:25:57,040 --> 03:26:00,080
Do you want to vote on that?
>> Um, I have a comment.

565
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:06,640
» Go ahead.
>> Okay. Um, I've used the app myself to

566
03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:10,640
report uh a couple of complaints that I
received and I thought I need to use the

567
03:26:08,479 --> 03:26:15,920
app to see how it works so I can tell
people it does work. Go, you know,

568
03:26:13,040 --> 03:26:21,040
please use it. However, uh, and I did
get good results. However, I did have a

569
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:26,640
complaint from a builder uh last week
that was uh extremely upset with it. He

570
03:26:24,479 --> 03:26:33,200
felt that it's very difficult to use. He
was overcharged on uh a couple of

571
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:37,279
things. Uh so these are things that um
we am I looking at the wrong thing?

572
03:26:35,439 --> 03:26:40,160
» Yeah, there's a difference between the
app where you can report Oh,

573
03:26:39,200 --> 03:26:44,399
» the app and the
>> homeless issues, potholes, things like

574
03:26:42,239 --> 03:26:49,600
that. What he's talking about about our
is our EPNL program. Um, we do have

575
03:26:47,279 --> 03:26:53,600
resources, but if he had if he needs
assistance, please have him reach out to

576
03:26:51,520 --> 03:26:57,359
Ben or his team or come into the counter
and we will walk him through it.

577
03:26:55,120 --> 03:26:59,520
» Okay. Sorry, I got that mixed up, but it
was a concern and I did.

578
03:26:58,720 --> 03:27:02,560
» No, I appreciate it.
>> Yeah. Okay.

579
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:08,479
» Thank you,
>> Council Miller. Any concerns, questions?

580
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:10,720
Do you need a motion and a vote on this
then?

581
03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:14,479
» Um, I think if we're keeping it as is,
then I think we're okay.

582
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:18,960
» Okay.
>> Thank you. Yes, ma'am. With that, we're

583
03:27:16,800 --> 03:27:23,279
moving on to
item number 11.

584
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:26,800
» Uh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, Steven Graham,
your city attorney. I'll be handling

585
03:27:24,800 --> 03:27:32,560
item number 11 and number 12. These are
both municipal code updates. Item 11,

586
03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:37,840
ordinance number 463. Uh, we're looking
at a sort of surgical strike, a small

587
03:27:35,600 --> 03:27:42,560
change to the definition of a
responsible person under section

588
03:27:40,080 --> 03:27:46,479
1.12.010.
Now this is a small change but it's

589
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:50,800
going to have a very big impact. Uh if
you look at the current definition of a

590
03:27:48,160 --> 03:27:55,680
responsible person, it means a property
owner, a tenant, a person with a legal

591
03:27:53,520 --> 03:28:00,560
interest in real property or a person in
possession of real property. So those

592
03:27:57,840 --> 03:28:03,760
are the four categories of individual
that code enforcement can hold

593
03:28:02,479 --> 03:28:07,840
responsible. It's why they're called the
responsible person for a violation of

594
03:28:05,680 --> 03:28:12,160
the city's municipal code. If you look
at the updated ordinance, those four

595
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:17,040
things that I just listed, those are 1 2
3 and four under the new ordinance. But

596
03:28:14,640 --> 03:28:21,920
we've also added a property manager or a
management company with contractual or

597
03:28:19,520 --> 03:28:26,399
actual authority over the property. So
if you contract with a property

598
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:32,160
management company to maintain your
property in the city of Ukipa and it is

599
03:28:28,720 --> 03:28:36,399
not maintained, the city can site that
property management company going

600
03:28:33,680 --> 03:28:41,520
forward. Uh, number six, a contractor,
subcontractor, or developer performing

601
03:28:39,120 --> 03:28:46,239
work at the property. If they're the one
creating the nuisance, then we can site

602
03:28:44,160 --> 03:28:51,520
them instead of citing just the property
owner. Uh, number seven, a operator or

603
03:28:49,120 --> 03:28:57,200
host of a short-term rental or other
transient lodging use. Uh, number eight,

604
03:28:55,040 --> 03:29:02,399
a business operator or franchise
conducting operations on the property.

605
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:06,960
Number nine, a homeowners association or
similar entity responsible for managing

606
03:29:04,960 --> 03:29:10,399
or maintaining common areas of the
property. So, if we have an HOA and

607
03:29:09,040 --> 03:29:16,640
they're failing to live up to their
obligations to maintain property within

608
03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:21,680
the city, we can now issue citations to
the the HOA. And then lastly, number 10,

609
03:29:19,600 --> 03:29:26,399
and unfortunately, number 10 is one that
happens way too often in this community

610
03:29:23,760 --> 03:29:31,200
and others. a family member, caretaker,
or other occupant who exercises control

611
03:29:29,840 --> 03:29:35,279
over the use or condition of the
property. So, oftentimes what we've been

612
03:29:33,279 --> 03:29:40,239
seeing is we have maybe an elderly
individual who is the owner, the legal

613
03:29:37,600 --> 03:29:44,319
owner of the property, but they have a
younger relative, perhaps a son, uh

614
03:29:43,120 --> 03:29:50,160
perhaps just someone who lives with
them, a caretaker, and that person

615
03:29:47,040 --> 03:29:54,160
actually exercises control over the
property and is responsible for the

616
03:29:51,920 --> 03:30:00,560
condition of that property. And so we've
encountered situations like that and our

617
03:29:57,600 --> 03:30:04,000
option is to initiate an action or
citation against the elderly property

618
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:08,160
owner when they're not actually the
person who's responsible for it or can

619
03:30:05,760 --> 03:30:11,439
fix it. And so this gives us the ability
to actually deal with the person

620
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:16,720
responsible and who's capable of
resolving it. Um, the goal here is to

621
03:30:14,239 --> 03:30:20,080
put additional tools in the toolbox for
our code enforcement to make sure that

622
03:30:18,080 --> 03:30:24,080
we are holding those individuals
responsible who are actually creating

623
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:28,080
the nuisances in our community. I'm
happy to answer any questions the

624
03:30:25,200 --> 03:30:34,600
council may have about this change.
>> Thank you, sir. Any questions, comments,

625
03:30:30,800 --> 03:30:34,600
concerns from my colleagues?

626
03:30:35,120 --> 03:30:39,560
» Seeing hearing none, do I have a motion?

627
03:30:40,000 --> 03:30:46,080
I'll move to approve.
We got a first one.

628
03:30:44,800 --> 03:30:50,000
» Oh, sorry.
>> First being uh Councilman Miller.

629
03:30:48,319 --> 03:30:53,840
Second, Councilman Wolsey.
>> With that roll call vote, please.

630
03:30:51,520 --> 03:30:55,520
» Council member Baieber,
>> yes.

631
03:30:54,399 --> 03:30:57,200
» Council member Miller,
>> yes.

632
03:30:56,000 --> 03:30:58,800
» Council member Wolsey,
>> yes.

633
03:30:57,520 --> 03:31:00,080
» Mayor Promal,
>> yes.

634
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:02,239
» Mayor Thorp,
>> yes.

635
03:31:00,399 --> 03:31:05,680
» Motion carried.
>> Thank you, ma'am. All right, sir. Back

636
03:31:04,399 --> 03:31:08,720
to you again. Item 12.
>> Yes, Mayor. and and what we have in

637
03:31:07,520 --> 03:31:13,200
front of us is an urgency item,
emergency ordinance number 464U.

638
03:31:11,600 --> 03:31:17,040
We're bringing this forward on an
urgency basis, not because the city has

639
03:31:15,520 --> 03:31:20,160
been sitting around waiting to bring
something on on an emergency basis like

640
03:31:18,800 --> 03:31:24,800
this, but rather because we're
responding to urgency legislation that

641
03:31:22,640 --> 03:31:31,520
the state of California legislature
actually adopted not that long ago. Uh

642
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:37,520
the the legislature was looking at uh AB
306 for the last year, primarily in

643
03:31:34,880 --> 03:31:41,120
response to the Palisades fires and what
they were considering at the at the

644
03:31:39,120 --> 03:31:47,040
legislature was freezing the building
codes in the state of California as it

645
03:31:43,520 --> 03:31:52,800
relates to residential uh construction.
uh and the intent was to prevent I'll

646
03:31:50,560 --> 03:31:57,680
call it some of our more coastal uh
neighbors in the state from enacting

647
03:31:55,279 --> 03:32:02,479
ever more complicated and burdensome
amendments to the building codes at the

648
03:31:59,920 --> 03:32:05,600
local level making it really challenging
for people to rebuild their homes

649
03:32:04,080 --> 03:32:09,359
following those fires but also just to
build residential housing in general

650
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:16,720
increasing the cost of that residential
housing. Um the legislature instead of

651
03:32:14,080 --> 03:32:20,800
uh adopting AB306
on regular order, which would means it

652
03:32:18,960 --> 03:32:25,840
would probably be adopted right about
now and then signed into law by the

653
03:32:23,439 --> 03:32:30,880
governor and it would go into effect in
January. What the legislature did was

654
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:35,439
they took the language from AB306 and
they put it into their budget bill and

655
03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:41,600
they adopted it on an urgency basis back
in June. And the language prevents local

656
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:46,880
jurisdictions like the city of Ukipa
from enacting changes to our building

657
03:32:44,160 --> 03:32:52,560
codes including our fire code that would
have an effect on residential housing.

658
03:32:50,160 --> 03:32:57,520
And it's going to have this moratorum on
changes until 2031.

659
03:32:55,920 --> 03:33:02,319
And so conversations that local
jurisdictions like this have had are

660
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:06,880
there important changes that we were
planning on bringing forward in the

661
03:33:03,760 --> 03:33:12,239
trienal review later on this year that
we need to get on the books now before

662
03:33:09,840 --> 03:33:17,439
uh September 1st so that it is
essentially grandfathered in for the

663
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:22,399
next six years. And after talking uh
about it with staff, the one issue that

664
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:26,880
we felt very strongly that we we wanted
to bring forward to the council for your

665
03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:33,760
consideration was whether newly
constructed or relocated

666
03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:37,040
uh mobile homes and manufactured homes
would be required to have fire

667
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:41,760
sprinklers. Now, we don't control the
design of the fire sprinkler systems.

668
03:33:39,359 --> 03:33:46,640
That's the state. That's through HCD. We
control only the question of if

669
03:33:44,800 --> 03:33:51,680
does it need to have a fire sprinkler
system. Uh as it stands now that that

670
03:33:49,120 --> 03:33:55,840
requirement is not in our code. Uh as
many of you saw we did have a recent

671
03:33:53,439 --> 03:34:01,680
fire at at a at a mobile home community
I believe in Cal Mesa. Uh that can show

672
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:08,160
you just how quickly fire can spread u
in in in these communities. Uh this the

673
03:34:04,640 --> 03:34:16,080
original version of that we had included
uh new relocated and remodeled mobile

674
03:34:12,880 --> 03:34:21,680
homes, manufactured homes. Um after
hearing some feedback from the community

675
03:34:18,239 --> 03:34:27,279
uh from residents uh from from owners uh
and and frankly a lot of questions that

676
03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:30,000
we acknowledged raised issues. Uh we're
recommending to remove the remodel

677
03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:32,640
language. So you'll have you have an
amended version of the ordinance in

678
03:34:31,520 --> 03:34:35,200
front of you. it's been placed in the
back. We've given it to interested

679
03:34:33,840 --> 03:34:38,479
parties. You know, we were getting
questions like, "If I change my carpet,

680
03:34:36,720 --> 03:34:43,359
do I need to put in fire sprinklers?"
And that really wasn't the issue that we

681
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:47,600
were attempting to resolve. Uh, and you
know, we don't want to make we don't

682
03:34:45,200 --> 03:34:53,040
want to disincentivize people uh from
upgrading their existing units. Uh, we

683
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:57,040
want to address uh when new ones are
coming into the community and being and

684
03:34:54,399 --> 03:35:00,880
being relocated. Uh, so you have it in
front of you. This is an urgency item.

685
03:34:58,560 --> 03:35:04,880
It does require a four-fifths vote. uh
if it is to go effect, it will go into

686
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:08,160
effect immediately. Uh and this will
preserve the city's ability uh to

687
03:35:06,880 --> 03:35:12,640
implement that that fire sprinkler
requirement. I I would add that uh based

688
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:20,960
on feedback that received from the uh
building safety department, we did add

689
03:35:16,239 --> 03:35:25,439
uh section 2 subsection B uh which also
uh requires that uh newly constructed

690
03:35:23,439 --> 03:35:29,680
and relocated mobile homes and
manufactured homes uh will be

691
03:35:27,439 --> 03:35:37,600
constructed using ignition resistive
materials and practices. So again, this

692
03:35:32,960 --> 03:35:43,120
is uh a requirement uh that that we are
preventing these types of homes uh from

693
03:35:40,640 --> 03:35:48,560
being from essentially uh being tinder
boxes. Uh these requirements are not

694
03:35:46,160 --> 03:35:53,920
unique uh to mobile homes and
manufactured homes. Uh we do have other

695
03:35:51,120 --> 03:36:00,720
requirements for single family homes.
Uh, and you are going to see a new uh

696
03:35:58,720 --> 03:36:04,800
code coming forward later this year.
It's going to talk about ignition

697
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:08,720
resistant materials for those. But we
need to get this one on the books now to

698
03:36:06,880 --> 03:36:12,560
ensure that it gets grandfathered in.
Uh, it's a policy question though. It's

699
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:16,399
ultimate up to the council. Uh, and if
you want this to go into effect, we will

700
03:36:14,080 --> 03:36:20,720
need four affirmative votes. Happy to
answer any questions you may have.

701
03:36:18,239 --> 03:36:27,520
» Thank you, sir. With that, council have
any questions or concerns, comments?

702
03:36:23,840 --> 03:36:32,720
I um immediately jumped on this because
I live in a mobile home and I did meet

703
03:36:30,399 --> 03:36:36,960
with Jennifer this morning and since
then there's been these changes so I had

704
03:36:34,800 --> 03:36:44,720
to kind of redo my thinking here a
little bit but um it still um involves

705
03:36:42,479 --> 03:36:51,920
mobile homes to a point. My I guess my
first question would be uh will this

706
03:36:47,760 --> 03:37:00,560
affect all mobile home parks in the uh
city when we bring in the uh newly

707
03:36:56,160 --> 03:37:07,840
constructed or um those type of things?
Uh or is it just the

708
03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:10,560
parks on the outskirts in the high fire
security zone?

709
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:16,319
» So that's a really good question. So
section 2A affects all mobile homes

710
03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:21,840
throughout the entire community and
that's the fire sprinkler requirement.

711
03:37:18,479 --> 03:37:25,920
» Uh B uh only affects those in a high
fire severity zone and that's the

712
03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:27,680
requirement for the ignition resistant
materials

713
03:37:26,560 --> 03:37:30,960
» for the materials.
>> Yes.

714
03:37:28,080 --> 03:37:32,319
» But A would would affect uh is for the
sprinklers.

715
03:37:31,840 --> 03:37:35,359
» Yes.
>> Okay.

716
03:37:32,800 --> 03:37:40,160
» And again it's only for new homes most
of which are already built with

717
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:42,319
sprinklers anyway or for relocated. RE,
that's the word, relocated, right?

718
03:37:41,840 --> 03:37:44,080
» Yes.
>> So, you're bringing it into the

719
03:37:43,520 --> 03:37:50,319
community,
>> right? Okay. Well, if you're relocating

720
03:37:47,200 --> 03:37:56,960
uh new relocating
mobiles into the parks,

721
03:37:53,840 --> 03:38:04,000
uh fire sprinklers are very expensive
and also uh they require a lot of water.

722
03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:09,920
We've had this problem in our park with
um too much pressure. They require more

723
03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:15,439
pressure. So with too much pressure then
we have issues where our underground

724
03:38:12,239 --> 03:38:22,720
water pipes would spring a leak and it
would cost a lot of money to have to dig

725
03:38:17,680 --> 03:38:27,120
down and and fix those issues. So um you
know that's a concern for me with the

726
03:38:24,560 --> 03:38:30,800
sprinklers is the water pressure and I
don't know you know how that affects or

727
03:38:29,040 --> 03:38:35,120
how that works with the water district
but I think this is something that you

728
03:38:33,120 --> 03:38:39,760
know needs to be taken into
consideration.

729
03:38:36,800 --> 03:38:45,600
Um,
can you clarify for me where does a

730
03:38:42,560 --> 03:38:49,840
remodel permit come from?
>> Does it come from the HTC?

731
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:51,840
» It come from HD, but again, we've
removed the remodel.

732
03:38:50,800 --> 03:38:54,399
» We removed.
>> Okay. So, some of those

733
03:38:53,200 --> 03:38:58,239
» for that exact reason.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, that that takes care of

734
03:38:56,880 --> 03:39:00,800
that then.
>> So, um,

735
03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:02,640
» and then to your to your point about
water pressure,

736
03:39:02,080 --> 03:39:06,960
» uh,
>> I'm a lawyer, not an engineer. Right.

737
03:39:04,479 --> 03:39:11,279
» Right. So, grain of salt. this way for
better advice. Uh but uh typically the

738
03:39:09,680 --> 03:39:15,920
the resolution that I've seen to that is
installation of uh pressure regulators

739
03:39:14,080 --> 03:39:18,920
on the system to keep the pressure under
control.

740
03:39:19,200 --> 03:39:22,200
Okay.

741
03:39:24,399 --> 03:39:31,840
Okay. Um
I I just have I understand the pressure

742
03:39:29,439 --> 03:39:38,160
regulators because I am familiar with
those. even with like an RV, you use a

743
03:39:34,239 --> 03:39:44,479
pressure regulator. But um I I just am
concerned about the uh the pressure that

744
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:50,560
could cause a lot of issues for uh
parks.

745
03:39:46,399 --> 03:39:53,600
You know, that's my concern right there.
>> So, I put the cart in front of the horse

746
03:39:52,319 --> 03:39:56,560
a little bit. We have a public comment
on this. So, let's hear that first

747
03:39:54,800 --> 03:40:02,880
before we go any further down the line
here with comments and concerns.

748
03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:07,880
Madam clerk,
>> we do have one public comment. Mr. Mark

749
03:40:04,880 --> 03:40:07,880
Westwood,

750
03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:18,720
» course I dropped everything, right?
Sorry about that. At least you can know

751
03:40:16,319 --> 03:40:22,319
I can still touch my knees. Okay. Uh
Mark Westwood, chair of the UKIPA Mobile

752
03:40:20,720 --> 03:40:26,319
Home Residence Association. I'm very
happy and pleased that, you know, we got

753
03:40:24,160 --> 03:40:29,760
together with a couple council people,
talked to people individually, uh,

754
03:40:28,399 --> 03:40:34,080
talked with Jennifer Coffford, talked
with Steven Graham, and they very much

755
03:40:31,680 --> 03:40:38,640
accommodated some of our our worries.
Uh, I'm here mostly for education

756
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:43,040
tonight. Uh, there's a lot of misnomers
that you, mobile homes are so much more

757
03:40:40,640 --> 03:40:46,640
flammable than regular sticku. And I
want to make the argument that they're

758
03:40:44,160 --> 03:40:52,800
not. Um, and just give you some facts.
Mobile homes in UKIPA as of 2023 2270.

759
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:56,399
But AI, which by the way, we had to use
AI for a lot of this because this was an

760
03:40:54,239 --> 03:40:59,600
emergency ordinance and a lot of what
was happening, uh, we had to get

761
03:40:58,000 --> 03:41:07,200
information where we can. So AI said
there's 4,8 488 mobile homes in Ukipa,

762
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:12,080
probably outlying areas. Uh, traditional
built non-manufactured stick homes as of

763
03:41:09,200 --> 03:41:16,399
2023, 18,500.
Number of mobile homes burned in Ukipa

764
03:41:13,920 --> 03:41:20,800
since 1991,
six.

765
03:41:19,120 --> 03:41:24,880
So there's not a whole lot of mobile
homes burning up. One was arson. Uh a

766
03:41:23,439 --> 03:41:28,160
couple were accidental and those mobile
homes still stand. They were repaired.

767
03:41:26,160 --> 03:41:33,040
They didn't completely burn down. Um and
I don't have the statistics on the other

768
03:41:29,600 --> 03:41:39,200
ones, but uh it's a very relatively low
number of traditional houses burned in

769
03:41:34,640 --> 03:41:43,359
UKIPA in the same amount of time, 80.
So if you go by that data, you would say

770
03:41:41,120 --> 03:41:47,680
that regular stick built traditional
homes are more flammable than than

771
03:41:45,359 --> 03:41:53,120
mobile homes. But that's not also true.
Uh we understand and that but we we do

772
03:41:50,640 --> 03:41:56,800
know that it would be an awful burden to
put in fire sprinkler systems and of

773
03:41:55,279 --> 03:42:01,760
course that we talked about that about
roofs about different improvements about

774
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:06,000
conversions. We talked about a whole
nine yards and uh we came up with this

775
03:42:04,160 --> 03:42:11,600
idea of taking out and striking and they
did they struck remodeled uh our you

776
03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:16,720
know mobile homes but relocated mobile
homes if they had to relocate a mobile

777
03:42:14,160 --> 03:42:20,960
home for whatever reason. I found one
quote that was $12,000

778
03:42:18,880 --> 03:42:24,479
plus the pump and plus the all that just
for the mobile home. And that also

779
03:42:22,640 --> 03:42:28,960
affects the park too because they're
going to have to put in new piping as

780
03:42:26,319 --> 03:42:33,279
well most of the time. So I'm glad that
we came to this especially for the

781
03:42:31,200 --> 03:42:37,760
mobile homes that are in level one
danger zone which has been uh identified

782
03:42:35,439 --> 03:42:41,680
in Ukipa by the state fire marshal and
those are lock cases executive, El

783
03:42:39,520 --> 03:42:45,120
Dorado, Lake View and Fremont. those
were all mobile homes that would have

784
03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:50,960
been very drastically impacted by this
possibly. So, we're glad that um but you

785
03:42:48,160 --> 03:42:56,000
know going back to uh 306 which is the
emergency bill which is what's caused

786
03:42:52,640 --> 03:43:00,000
this urgency ordinance um it states very
clearly that the changes and the

787
03:42:57,279 --> 03:43:04,239
modifications necessary as an emergency
standard to protect health and safety

788
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:07,600
can still go forward. And then my other
question I I don't know if I can ask a

789
03:43:05,920 --> 03:43:11,200
question but maybe through uh council
Mosley is if you do this amendment

790
03:43:09,600 --> 03:43:19,199
tonight and you approve it by four
fifths then can you come back and amend

791
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:25,319
that ordinance even before June 1st 2030
which is when that emergency ordinance

792
03:43:21,359 --> 03:43:25,319
ends. Thank you very much.

793
03:43:25,760 --> 03:43:30,880
» No more comments.
>> Thank you ma'am. Sir would you like to

794
03:43:29,279 --> 03:43:35,840
respond to that?
>> If the council would like me to I'd be

795
03:43:32,319 --> 03:43:41,199
happy to. Uh yes uh we would be able to
amend it. If by amend it we mean

796
03:43:38,319 --> 03:43:47,760
reducing the standard. Uh the issue
under 306 is increasing standards. Um so

797
03:43:45,840 --> 03:43:51,120
if for whatever reason it was determined
that this isn't working in our

798
03:43:49,680 --> 03:43:57,439
community, you could always pull it
back. Yes.

799
03:43:54,160 --> 03:44:03,359
» Thank you. Any other comments, concerns,
questions?

800
03:43:59,840 --> 03:44:08,239
» Miller minimal.
Beaver.

801
03:44:05,920 --> 03:44:12,239
» No, sir.
>> Um, I don't know if he's still on the

802
03:44:10,399 --> 03:44:15,600
phone and I don't hate to put him on the
spot because I didn't have a chance to

803
03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:19,000
talk to him about it, but Chief Alowski,
are you still there?

804
03:44:20,160 --> 03:44:24,640
» Sir, he's not, but if you need him, I
can have him join the meeting again.

805
03:44:23,279 --> 03:44:29,040
» No, that's okay. If he was here, I was
going to ask him a question, but it's

806
03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:33,160
probably not pertinent. So, okay. Um,
then, uh, I need a motion.

807
03:44:35,120 --> 03:44:40,880
I'll move to approve. Yeah, we got a
first. Do I have a second?

808
03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:43,120
» Seconded.
>> Perfect. With that, a roll call vote,

809
03:44:42,560 --> 03:44:46,319
please.
>> Council member Beaver,

810
03:44:45,680 --> 03:44:48,479
» yes.
>> Council member Miller,

811
03:44:47,680 --> 03:44:50,479
» I.
>> Council member Wolsey,

812
03:44:49,680 --> 03:44:52,560
» no.
>> Mayor Pretendable,

813
03:44:51,920 --> 03:44:54,160
» no.
>> Mayor Thor,

814
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:57,479
» yes.
>> Motion failed.

815
03:45:02,080 --> 03:45:07,199
Did you say it failed?
>> Isn't there three yeses?

816
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:11,560
» You needed a four fifths vote.
>> Oh, I apologize. Okay. All right.

817
03:45:12,560 --> 03:45:21,000
Okay. With that, item number 13. It's a
public hearing.

818
03:45:16,960 --> 03:45:21,000
So, I'll open the public hearing

819
03:45:22,479 --> 03:45:29,279
and
current time

820
03:45:26,319 --> 03:45:29,279
659.

821
03:45:32,640 --> 03:45:38,880
Good evening, mayor and uh council
members. This item, this public hearing

822
03:45:36,479 --> 03:45:45,640
is for the freeway corridor uh specific
plan update and the Pacific Oaks

823
03:45:41,120 --> 03:45:45,640
Commerce Center uh project.

824
03:45:46,319 --> 03:45:52,319
Um I know that this will be uh probably
the fourth or fifth time that the city

825
03:45:50,720 --> 03:45:56,479
council has seen a lot of this
information in the public hearing

826
03:45:54,000 --> 03:46:01,040
setting. So, uh, there's a lot of there
are several slides that are going to be,

827
03:45:59,199 --> 03:46:04,560
uh, presented to you tonight. I'll that
you have seen before that the public has

828
03:46:02,640 --> 03:46:10,960
seen before. Uh, I'll spend a little bit
of time, uh, on them, uh, just to to,

829
03:46:08,880 --> 03:46:17,040
uh, get the information out there. Um,
so we'll we'll start with a little bit

830
03:46:12,560 --> 03:46:23,040
of, uh, history. Um, you know, as as you
are aware, this the area the the focus

831
03:46:20,479 --> 03:46:26,880
of this item is the area along the I 10
freeway. And for years, going back to

832
03:46:25,279 --> 03:46:32,319
the city's first general plan that was
adopted in 1992, that area has always

833
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:37,920
been identified as a key component to
the city's long-term plan as far as

834
03:46:34,160 --> 03:46:44,399
economic uh development.
And uh you know, for years after that,

835
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:49,680
uh the city the city council has planned
uh that to be um you know, the future of

836
03:46:47,359 --> 03:46:55,840
of uh commercial and housing needs for
the city. The 2004 general plan uh

837
03:46:52,560 --> 03:47:01,760
continued that goal. Uh the 2016 general
plan update also uh added more goals

838
03:46:58,800 --> 03:47:05,920
that reinforces the how important the
freeway corridor specific plan area is

839
03:47:04,800 --> 03:47:10,239
not just for the commercial and
residential needs of the city but also

840
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:15,479
the the future the economic uh
development uh of the city.

841
03:47:22,479 --> 03:47:29,840
So, so again, you know, just a little
more history, you know, back between

842
03:47:26,640 --> 03:47:35,439
2005 and 2008, the city council um they
authorized the use of uh $750,000 in

843
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:40,000
general fund funding, and that was to
help uh facilitate the development in

844
03:47:37,359 --> 03:47:45,680
the freeway corridor specific plan area.
Um that resulted in the freeway corridor

845
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:52,239
specific plan adoption. That plan was
adopted by the city council in uh 2008.

846
03:47:50,000 --> 03:47:56,640
And again, I wanted to emphasize, you
know, that the the city council back

847
03:47:54,080 --> 03:48:02,640
then had prioritized the use of general
fund money to facilitate development in

848
03:48:00,160 --> 03:48:08,080
on this property or on these properties.
Typically, uh cities won't invest um

849
03:48:05,680 --> 03:48:15,279
money like that to excuse me to
kickstart uh this kind of development.

850
03:48:11,120 --> 03:48:20,640
So uh once the current uh plan was
adopted back in 2008, you know, that's

851
03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:26,160
been in in place for for almost 17
years. Um this slide here shows that uh

852
03:48:24,399 --> 03:48:30,880
essentially what the land use
distribution of the current plan is.

853
03:48:28,080 --> 03:48:35,279
Again, this is a current plan. Um what
you are considering tonight is an adopt

854
03:48:32,800 --> 03:48:43,160
is an update to this plan. If that
update is not approved, then we default

855
03:48:38,319 --> 03:48:43,160
back to this current 2008 plan.

856
03:48:45,279 --> 03:48:54,560
Um uh so the 2000 the current 2008 plan
um you know it includes the commercial

857
03:48:51,040 --> 03:48:59,120
areas um as well as well as the open
space areas and residential areas. Uh

858
03:48:57,120 --> 03:49:05,199
one thing I wanted to point out is that
on on this plan the commercial areas are

859
03:49:02,000 --> 03:49:11,760
in red. Uh currently the warehouse use
is allowed in these red areas. Um as you

860
03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:16,960
can as you know uh there's a warehouse
that is currently being developed on the

861
03:49:14,640 --> 03:49:21,600
on the bottom right edge of the screen
here in uh southeast area off of County

862
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:26,160
Line Road.
So the the warehouses are currently

863
03:49:23,680 --> 03:49:31,760
allowed in the in the red commercial
zoned areas. Uh there are some uh what

864
03:49:29,439 --> 03:49:36,479
is not shown on this plan is the natural
drainage courses. Um on this exhibit on

865
03:49:34,319 --> 03:49:41,600
the screen we've overlaid the those
natural drainage courses in blue. As you

866
03:49:38,800 --> 03:49:46,640
can see they do uh overlap with a lot of
the the not only open space area but

867
03:49:44,239 --> 03:49:53,680
also the residential zoned area in
yellow and much of the commercial zoned

868
03:49:50,080 --> 03:50:00,319
um area in red. And it's important to to
to note this um because you know right

869
03:49:57,520 --> 03:50:07,920
now currently with the current plan if a
commercial or residential project is

870
03:50:03,279 --> 03:50:11,680
proposed on the on with it on on the the
uh land use on the properties that are

871
03:50:09,680 --> 03:50:15,840
shown on this plan. They would still
still have to go through a conditional

872
03:50:13,439 --> 03:50:22,560
use permit process and an environmental
review process which may also include uh

873
03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:28,479
permitting. So the current plan does
require some additional steps which may

874
03:50:25,680 --> 03:50:33,040
uh it may prohibit development within
some of these natural drainage courses.

875
03:50:30,080 --> 03:50:38,160
But if the property owner chooses to uh
develop on within those drainage

876
03:50:35,359 --> 03:50:43,600
courses, then there would be some more
extensive environmental review uh that

877
03:50:40,800 --> 03:50:48,560
would be necessary that uh which comes
with a um an additional cost. And in

878
03:50:46,640 --> 03:50:52,399
addition to that, there's the mitigation
requirements that are required by the

879
03:50:50,160 --> 03:50:56,560
permitting agencies to be able to
develop within these areas. So this

880
03:50:54,880 --> 03:51:01,600
exhibit here, it's, you know, it's
important that to note the overlay of

881
03:50:59,279 --> 03:51:05,720
these natural drainage courses over the
current plan as it's adopted.

882
03:51:06,560 --> 03:51:15,279
So since the the plan uh was adopted in
2008, there are some uh issues that that

883
03:51:12,160 --> 03:51:18,880
we've found uh with the plan. Um you
know some of them are noted here on this

884
03:51:16,640 --> 03:51:23,760
slide. The high infrastructure costs
there have been uh some changes in the

885
03:51:20,640 --> 03:51:29,279
economic market between 2008 and today.
Um this plan you know it won't work with

886
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:35,279
the city's current housing element. Um
and the arena requirements with the new

887
03:51:31,600 --> 03:51:40,399
state housing laws. Um the business park
and the regional uh commercial land uses

888
03:51:38,000 --> 03:51:46,640
are indistinguishable. And and what I
mean by that is right now it's not quite

889
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:52,560
clear as to which uh which retail uses
and which business park or or warehouse

890
03:51:49,520 --> 03:51:57,040
uses are allowed in each of those two uh
the land uses. And then also the open

891
03:51:54,960 --> 03:52:01,600
space was supposed to be a natural area
and and it didn't really recognize those

892
03:51:59,520 --> 03:52:06,960
uh sensitive environmental areas or or
those uh drainage areas that you saw on

893
03:52:04,319 --> 03:52:14,399
the previous slide.
So, so once uh um you know this was

894
03:52:09,840 --> 03:52:19,600
realized in 2021 and 2022, uh there were
some goals that were um that were set by

895
03:52:17,120 --> 03:52:23,600
the city council. Uh the goals related
to an update to the plan. You know,

896
03:52:21,920 --> 03:52:28,560
there those were important to note
because um you know, the the city

897
03:52:26,560 --> 03:52:33,199
council at the time wanted to maintain
the general goals and policies of the

898
03:52:30,239 --> 03:52:37,840
the 2008 plan, but at the same time be
consistent with the city's general plan.

899
03:52:35,439 --> 03:52:41,760
not only not just the the current
general plan but some of the policies

900
03:52:39,600 --> 03:52:48,319
that were in the previous plan that
evolved to the policies that are in in

901
03:52:43,920 --> 03:52:51,840
place with the 2016 16 plan. Um again
the the current economic market um you

902
03:52:50,560 --> 03:52:56,800
know addressing the needs of the current
economic market is also important and

903
03:52:54,880 --> 03:53:01,439
then probably one of the most important
things is the providing the flexibility

904
03:52:59,120 --> 03:53:04,560
for the property owners moving forward.
Um, you know, I mentioned that with the

905
03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:09,120
current plan, there's some additional
environmental work and mitigation that

906
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:13,600
is required in these drainage channels
and sensitive uh environmental areas.

907
03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:19,120
Well, the with the update, we wanted to
uh provide um more flexibility for the

908
03:53:16,399 --> 03:53:23,040
property owners to be able to do uh to
do uh what they choose to do with their

909
03:53:21,520 --> 03:53:26,960
property in the future. And even if that
means that they would have to go back

910
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:30,720
and revisit some some of the envir
environmental reviews or the studies,

911
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:36,800
but they would still they would still
have that flexibility uh and ability to

912
03:53:33,279 --> 03:53:40,399
do that in the future.
So once those goals were established,

913
03:53:38,399 --> 03:53:44,319
the city council uh provided direction
to staff moving forward with the update.

914
03:53:42,399 --> 03:53:50,479
Um, as you can see on the screen, there
were several public meetings or study

915
03:53:46,640 --> 03:53:57,760
sessions that were held um in 2021 and
2022. And again, there's that direction

916
03:53:54,399 --> 03:54:02,640
from city council um was very specific
uh you know to allow more flexibility in

917
03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:07,600
open space, consider the natural views,
um uh preserve the ridge lines from the

918
03:54:05,199 --> 03:54:11,520
freeway and Oakland Road, uh manage
traffic impacts, and then to hide

919
03:54:09,840 --> 03:54:16,560
warehouses from the freeway and the
adjacent city streets.

920
03:54:14,479 --> 03:54:19,920
Um so in May of this year, city council
was presented with five options and

921
03:54:18,479 --> 03:54:25,439
directed staff to move forward with
option number three. Uh the the plan

922
03:54:24,080 --> 03:54:31,520
that you see on the screen before
reflects that option number three. Um

923
03:54:28,880 --> 03:54:35,359
and the update that the city council is
considering tonight. The overall

924
03:54:32,960 --> 03:54:39,680
specific plan update is based on this
option number three that city council

925
03:54:37,120 --> 03:54:42,680
gave direction to staff on uh back in
May.

926
03:54:44,479 --> 03:54:52,800
One of the things that was requested um
at a previous meeting was a side-by-side

927
03:54:50,160 --> 03:54:58,319
comparison of the 2008 plan, the current
plan and the updated plan. And as you

928
03:54:56,239 --> 03:55:05,199
can see on the screen, um you know, we
kept the the colors the same. Uh the

929
03:55:01,199 --> 03:55:09,040
commercial areas are in red. Um
and I mentioned earlier that with the

930
03:55:06,960 --> 03:55:15,920
current plan on the left um the
warehouse uses are uses are allowed in

931
03:55:11,680 --> 03:55:22,319
the red commercial zoned areas. Um one
of the the key differences um on the

932
03:55:18,800 --> 03:55:28,000
updated plan. Uh there is that dark the
dark green colors which is the open

933
03:55:23,920 --> 03:55:33,439
space conservation uh area. um that is
essentially that is very similar to the

934
03:55:30,720 --> 03:55:38,479
exhibit you just saw that showed the
blue natural drainage courses. So this

935
03:55:36,160 --> 03:55:43,840
updated plan, you know, we wanted to
identify those sensitive environmental

936
03:55:40,960 --> 03:55:49,040
areas and those drainage courses and
essentially um complete all the envir

937
03:55:46,160 --> 03:55:53,920
the environmental work that is required
that the that a developer would have to

938
03:55:51,520 --> 03:55:57,520
do with the current plan. We we
completed that environmental work and

939
03:55:55,600 --> 03:56:02,000
the mitigation studies as part of the
update. That way if a property owner

940
03:56:00,399 --> 03:56:07,439
chose to develop on that property, they
would not have to to uh do that.

941
03:56:04,800 --> 03:56:12,080
Obviously, they do have the f they if
this plan is up, if this updated plan is

942
03:56:09,920 --> 03:56:15,520
approved, the property owners will still
have the ability that flexibility to

943
03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:20,160
develop within those areas, but they
would have to uh complete some

944
03:56:17,840 --> 03:56:26,239
environmental review, additional
environmental review on their own at

945
03:56:22,560 --> 03:56:30,640
their expense. And which is pretty
typical, pretty common with uh any uh

946
03:56:29,040 --> 03:56:33,960
property owner who wishes to develop
their property.

947
03:56:36,399 --> 03:56:44,640
again with the so with the uh updated
plan uh this slide here shows the the

948
03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:51,600
number of residential units the existing
uh plan uh provides for uh 2447

949
03:56:48,720 --> 03:56:57,120
units. The proposed plan uh adds an
additional 25 units. And one thing

950
03:56:54,800 --> 03:57:00,880
that's important to mention is that the
the residential land uses, the

951
03:56:59,199 --> 03:57:04,399
densities, they were updated to work
with the market demand. On the left side

952
03:57:02,640 --> 03:57:10,720
of the screen on the bottom, you you see
the different residential density types.

953
03:57:08,000 --> 03:57:15,120
Um, you know, the R six and the R12 land
use, those were added to the updated

954
03:57:13,359 --> 03:57:21,120
plan for flexibility. Those two don't
exist in the current plan. And again

955
03:57:17,439 --> 03:57:26,560
that is was uh those two were added to
add flexibility and also to work with

956
03:57:22,960 --> 03:57:32,080
the current housing uh market demand.
And the the area in pink there where the

957
03:57:30,000 --> 03:57:37,279
pumpkin patch is. Um I wanted to note
that that is another land use that was

958
03:57:33,840 --> 03:57:42,479
added in the update. uh the um the
agricultural tourism. And again, that

959
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:47,600
was added uh after some conversations
with the uh pumpkin patch uh property

960
03:57:45,600 --> 03:57:52,960
owners and their operators. Again, this
is to support their current pumpkin

961
03:57:49,199 --> 03:57:59,199
patch and also to allow for uh for their
flexibility in the future to continue to

962
03:57:55,199 --> 03:58:04,680
to to use agricultural based use with
some commercial uh u uh capabilities.

963
03:58:05,760 --> 03:58:13,199
So with the freeway corridor specific
plan update, there are some uh here are

964
03:58:10,880 --> 03:58:17,279
the results that that come from the
proposed update. Um you can see that

965
03:58:15,439 --> 03:58:21,520
that there is some increased development
potential for property owners uh

966
03:58:18,960 --> 03:58:27,760
specifically to the Robinson owned
property. They do gain that the they do

967
03:58:24,479 --> 03:58:33,760
gain an an additional 6 600 housing
units and 50% more commercial area with

968
03:58:31,120 --> 03:58:36,720
the updated plan. Um I mentioned earlier
that there's more flexibility for the

969
03:58:35,040 --> 03:58:41,359
pumpkin patch compared to the current
plan. And then u it also allows for the

970
03:58:39,359 --> 03:58:46,800
mixed use development development in
certain areas primarily on in on the

971
03:58:44,399 --> 03:58:52,560
Robinson owned property. Um again
there's you know the current market uh

972
03:58:49,520 --> 03:58:56,239
does um look for those types of
developments where you can have a

973
03:58:53,840 --> 03:59:00,560
mixeduse type of development. Um, this
updated uh plan also considers the

974
03:58:58,560 --> 03:59:05,520
sensitive environmental areas and the
and uh the habitat and the permitting

975
03:59:03,600 --> 03:59:08,800
that's consistent with state law. I
talked about that earlier with the

976
03:59:07,199 --> 03:59:13,040
development in these natural drainage
drainage courses. It reduces the infra

977
03:59:11,600 --> 03:59:18,000
in infrastructure costs for the city,
the property owners and and one

978
03:59:15,359 --> 03:59:24,000
important thing is that the updated plan
does result in approximately 52% less

979
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:30,880
traffic or less vehicle trips compared
to the current plan. And again, keep in

980
03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:38,319
mind that the this comparison is is the
the the 52% reduction is between the um

981
03:59:36,239 --> 03:59:42,640
buildout of the current plan and
buildout of the proposed plan. So not,

982
03:59:40,880 --> 03:59:47,640
you know, we're not comparing that
number. That number doesn't compare

983
03:59:44,239 --> 03:59:47,640
today's traffic.

984
03:59:50,640 --> 03:59:57,439
So, the second component of the item uh
before you tonight is the Pacific Oaks

985
03:59:55,439 --> 04:00:03,120
Commerce Center project. You've heard a
lot about this uh proposed warehouse

986
03:59:59,760 --> 04:00:11,479
project in previous uh uh meetings. You
know, it it includes the 312 acre site,

987
04:00:05,920 --> 04:00:11,479
proposes two uh uh warehouse buildings.

988
04:00:11,600 --> 04:00:19,279
You know, the access uh to this proposed
commerce center will be off of Livo

989
04:00:16,160 --> 04:00:25,279
Canyon Road uh via a new road that will
that is uh uh conditioned to be built

990
04:00:22,720 --> 04:00:28,160
and paid for by the developer. Uh there
is a future connection to the

991
04:00:26,560 --> 04:00:33,680
interchange to the east, the Wallwood
interchange that is uh being proposed

992
04:00:30,160 --> 04:00:38,640
for the future. And this project uh um
if approved, it is conditioned to

993
04:00:36,160 --> 04:00:43,680
provide and and by that I mean to
construct and pay for the inf the

994
04:00:40,479 --> 04:00:47,840
infrastructure uh to that serves their
facility and that includes the roads,

995
04:00:45,840 --> 04:00:53,279
drainage, water, sewer, electric, and
telecommunication. And I'll talk a

996
04:00:50,160 --> 04:00:57,120
little more about that here shortly. Um
here's just some visuals that you've

997
04:00:54,880 --> 04:01:03,040
seen before regarding the the warehouse
project the the vantage point from the

998
04:01:00,000 --> 04:01:07,680
Live Oak offramp at the freeway and uh
viewing the project site from the I 10

999
04:01:05,439 --> 04:01:13,199
freeway. As you can see the where the
warehouse house uh buildings are

1000
04:01:10,560 --> 04:01:20,880
proposed uh they are not visible from
either of those public streets.

1001
04:01:17,199 --> 04:01:24,560
One uh question that came uh before us
at the previous hearing was uh what

1002
04:01:22,960 --> 04:01:28,479
about higher elevations? Will you be
able to see the warehouse from higher

1003
04:01:26,720 --> 04:01:33,520
elevations such as uh you know the
residents that live along Colorado

1004
04:01:30,239 --> 04:01:37,279
Street? The the warehouse developer has
has provided these diff renderings of

1005
04:01:35,600 --> 04:01:40,279
what it would look like from that higher
elevation.

1006
04:01:40,479 --> 04:01:48,080
And as you can see on the photo on the
bottom, the the warehouse project would

1007
04:01:45,279 --> 04:01:52,279
it is visible in between the hills there
from that higher vantage point.

1008
04:01:55,439 --> 04:02:01,279
The architectural review for the
warehouse project did go before the

1009
04:01:59,199 --> 04:02:04,960
planning commission and is also here
before you tonight. Um you've seen some

1010
04:02:03,680 --> 04:02:08,960
of these renderings. Some of these
renderings are included in that package.

1011
04:02:06,800 --> 04:02:14,640
This is one of the uh rendering that was
shared. um uh with the the city council

1012
04:02:12,880 --> 04:02:21,239
in a previous hearing. And again, there
is additional renderings in the agenda

1013
04:02:17,520 --> 04:02:21,239
packet for this item.

1014
04:02:21,359 --> 04:02:29,120
And just a quick timeline on the
supplemental environmental impact report

1015
04:02:25,520 --> 04:02:33,120
for the uh the updated plan, the freeway
corridor specific plan, the update to

1016
04:02:30,640 --> 04:02:38,640
that as well as the proposed warehouse
project. And again, it's important to

1017
04:02:36,720 --> 04:02:44,160
consider that the the supplemental
environmental impact report, it it only

1018
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:48,399
considers the impacts that resulting
between the the changes in the current

1019
04:02:46,160 --> 04:02:55,600
plan, the current adopted plan, and the
proposed plan. So, um the the um EIR

1020
04:02:53,439 --> 04:02:59,760
that was completed for the original plan
in 2008 is the basis of this

1021
04:02:58,160 --> 04:03:02,760
supplemental environmental impact
report.

1022
04:03:08,080 --> 04:03:14,880
And uh so the as part of completing the
update to the freeway corridor specific

1023
04:03:12,800 --> 04:03:18,720
plan, one thing that was important is to
make sure that the update to the plan is

1024
04:03:16,479 --> 04:03:22,960
consistent with the city's general plan
and also the city's housing element

1025
04:03:20,800 --> 04:03:28,000
strategies. And so it's important to
note that that the the plan the updated

1026
04:03:26,399 --> 04:03:32,520
plan that's before you tonight is
consistent with those two documents.

1027
04:03:33,040 --> 04:03:40,160
And so, as I mentioned earlier, the
information that I just covered, it has

1028
04:03:37,199 --> 04:03:44,720
been uh presented to the city council uh
in the past. Um, I know that I'm trying

1029
04:03:43,439 --> 04:03:48,239
to make it quick, but there's a lot of
information that we have to share and

1030
04:03:46,160 --> 04:03:53,439
because this is a public hearing, this
information needs to be presented. But,

1031
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:58,160
um, so you've seen the city council and
the public has seen this information in

1032
04:03:55,359 --> 04:04:02,960
the past. And you know, I'm trying to
summarize in a few minutes the

1033
04:04:00,960 --> 04:04:08,239
information that is included in hundreds
or maybe thousands of pages of the

1034
04:04:06,479 --> 04:04:13,120
supplemental EIR and all the the
appendices, all the studies that have

1035
04:04:09,760 --> 04:04:18,160
been uh completed and you know these
studies they h they were completed by

1036
04:04:16,080 --> 04:04:23,040
you know professionals who who have
analyzed all of the impacts uh that are

1037
04:04:20,960 --> 04:04:27,199
associated with what's being proposed
before you tonight. Um, and you know,

1038
04:04:25,680 --> 04:04:29,920
today I kind of wanted to take a little
different approach, even though I've

1039
04:04:28,479 --> 04:04:34,160
been talking for a long time, but I want
to take a little different approach to

1040
04:04:31,520 --> 04:04:38,880
hope hopefully provide some clarity and
answer uh some questions that property

1041
04:04:36,560 --> 04:04:44,479
owners and the public has had or have
they that they have presented over the

1042
04:04:40,560 --> 04:04:49,680
last few meetings to to staff as well as
uh uh to the city council. And based on

1043
04:04:48,080 --> 04:04:53,680
the concerns and those questions that
have been presented uh by the public,

1044
04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:58,800
you know, we put together a list of uh
frequently asked questions, you know,

1045
04:04:56,239 --> 04:05:03,439
and there was there were many questions
that were asked. Some of them were were

1046
04:05:01,120 --> 04:05:08,000
um
were asked and because there's so much

1047
04:05:05,680 --> 04:05:10,880
information either we as staff didn't
have an opportunity to fully we didn't

1048
04:05:09,680 --> 04:05:14,399
have all the information in front of us
to answer the question in the public in

1049
04:05:12,960 --> 04:05:18,560
a public hearing setting but we went
back made a list of all those questions

1050
04:05:16,399 --> 04:05:23,920
and I'll go through uh some of those
here real quick. Um um one question, you

1051
04:05:22,479 --> 04:05:28,160
know, how much money did how much
general fund money did the city spend to

1052
04:05:25,840 --> 04:05:33,840
prepare the the plan that is currently
adopted and in place? How much money was

1053
04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:37,600
spent back in 2008? Um you know, I
mentioned that earlier. You know, that

1054
04:05:35,279 --> 04:05:42,800
was approximately 750,000. Again, that
was general fund money that was uh

1055
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:49,840
prioritized by the city council in 2005,
2007, 2008. And again, this was used to

1056
04:05:46,560 --> 04:05:55,199
to uh facilitate development. And again,
typically cities will not spend general

1057
04:05:52,479 --> 04:05:58,720
fund money on or invest general fund
money to facilitate development,

1058
04:05:57,120 --> 04:06:03,760
complete environmental studies for a
private development project.

1059
04:06:01,439 --> 04:06:07,760
Um, another question, how much um how
much money h has been spent over the

1060
04:06:05,600 --> 04:06:12,479
last three years to update the 2008
plan?

1061
04:06:10,319 --> 04:06:18,800
and and
um right now we our current budget

1062
04:06:15,600 --> 04:06:24,000
includes uh identifies approximately 1.5
million to update this plan. One thing

1063
04:06:21,760 --> 04:06:30,160
that's different between this process
and the process from 2005 to 2008 is

1064
04:06:26,720 --> 04:06:34,800
that the in this case the the warehouse
developer that is proposing the project

1065
04:06:32,319 --> 04:06:38,160
before you tonight they will re there's
a they signed an agreement with the city

1066
04:06:36,640 --> 04:06:43,920
that the city council approved well they
will reimburse the city um approximately

1067
04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:50,960
half a million dollars of that $ 1.5
million that that is being spent for the

1068
04:06:46,479 --> 04:06:55,279
EIR and this study and as future if this
plan is approved as future projects come

1069
04:06:52,880 --> 04:06:59,600
forward. Um they will also be
conditioned to enter into an agreement

1070
04:06:57,040 --> 04:07:05,760
with the city to pay their portion or
their share of of the of this $ 1.5

1071
04:07:02,640 --> 04:07:11,840
million. So so um what's different
between now and 2008 is that the the

1072
04:07:09,199 --> 04:07:17,080
general fund is not going to spend as
much money for this process as it did

1073
04:07:13,680 --> 04:07:17,080
back in 2007208.

1074
04:07:18,960 --> 04:07:26,319
And again, this was this was based on on
the direction from city council at the

1075
04:07:24,000 --> 04:07:30,239
last meeting to move forward with option
three.

1076
04:07:28,479 --> 04:07:33,840
Uh I kind of covered this question or
this topic earlier, but another question

1077
04:07:31,680 --> 04:07:38,880
is does a current 2008 plan require a
cup and environmental review to build a

1078
04:07:36,560 --> 04:07:42,960
commercial or housing project. Um I
mentioned I mentioned earlier that the

1079
04:07:40,720 --> 04:07:48,479
answer is yes. A conditional use permit
is required along with um an

1080
04:07:45,920 --> 04:07:53,600
environmental review and permitting and
that uh as you know would be processed

1081
04:07:50,960 --> 04:07:59,040
through the planning uh commission. And
before I go any further, I know there

1082
04:07:55,439 --> 04:08:02,080
are some you know I didn't I didn't find
the answers to some of these questions

1083
04:08:00,479 --> 04:08:06,399
in the thousands of pages by myself. I
did have Ben Matlo's efforts. So as we

1084
04:08:04,399 --> 04:08:11,840
go through this, Ben will will help me
through provide answers to some of these

1085
04:08:08,319 --> 04:08:15,199
questions. Um,
another question came up. Has a city

1086
04:08:13,680 --> 04:08:19,760
staff met with the Banger property
owners to discuss the update to the

1087
04:08:16,880 --> 04:08:23,520
plan? Uh, you know, the answer is yes.
Uh we have had several meetings and

1088
04:08:22,080 --> 04:08:26,720
discussions with not only the property
owners but the property owners

1089
04:08:25,120 --> 04:08:32,479
representatives and that includes the
Robinson um uh family, the Palmer's

1090
04:08:30,720 --> 04:08:36,319
Pumpkin Patch, Abraham Misa, South
Mountain Water Company, and also the

1091
04:08:34,000 --> 04:08:42,000
Barnett family that owns property on the
south at the southeast end of the

1092
04:08:38,960 --> 04:08:46,239
project. Um
uh question is the update to the plan

1093
04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:50,880
and the proposed warehouse project a new
quick fix for the city's financial

1094
04:08:48,160 --> 04:08:55,359
situation?
The answer is no. It is not a quick fix.

1095
04:08:53,600 --> 04:09:00,160
And as I mentioned earlier, the freeway
corridor specific plan area has always

1096
04:08:57,359 --> 04:09:04,319
been identified as a future hub for
commercial and retail and housing

1097
04:09:01,600 --> 04:09:11,439
development. So um this isn't something
that was that that uh was meant to be a

1098
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:16,720
quick fix. This has been uh discussed uh
going back to 1992 when the general plan

1099
04:09:15,199 --> 04:09:22,560
when the city's general plan was adopted
that identified this area as a

1100
04:09:19,199 --> 04:09:27,920
commercial and and uh retail and housing
hub in the city.

1101
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:33,279
Uh why doesn't the updated plan include
a road connection to the new project

1102
04:09:29,600 --> 04:09:38,399
being proposed in Calamsa?
Um the updated plan, it does keep the

1103
04:09:36,319 --> 04:09:44,319
same connection to County Line Road as a
current uh adopted 2008 plan. And we've

1104
04:09:41,680 --> 04:09:49,279
added uh an exhibit here that shows that
connection. Over on the far right, you

1105
04:09:46,160 --> 04:09:56,319
where the uh black arrow is, that is
where the the current 2008 plan and also

1106
04:09:52,560 --> 04:10:02,080
the proposed updated plan uh shows a
connection to County Line Road. Um, also

1107
04:09:59,359 --> 04:10:09,439
included in this exhibit is the a
project that is being proposed in the

1108
04:10:04,560 --> 04:10:13,040
city of Kamea. Um, they've actually um
they for this project the city of Cal

1109
04:10:11,439 --> 04:10:18,319
Mesa circulated their environmental
document. I believe uh uh today was the

1110
04:10:15,920 --> 04:10:23,120
last day of their 45day public review
period. And this exhibit that you see

1111
04:10:20,239 --> 04:10:28,239
here is directly from that document. And
in this

1112
04:10:25,520 --> 04:10:33,920
as you can see um the road network in
that proposed project it it doesn't it

1113
04:10:30,960 --> 04:10:39,279
does not show a connection to the north
um you know to the freeway corridor

1114
04:10:35,680 --> 04:10:46,319
specific plan area. So, um you know, our
the city's updated plan doesn't show any

1115
04:10:43,040 --> 04:10:52,720
additional connections um to the south
to Cal Mesa. Um again, primarily because

1116
04:10:49,680 --> 04:10:56,640
we we the city have um have not been
asked by the city of Cal Mesa who's

1117
04:10:54,479 --> 04:11:00,640
processing that project and as you can
see the the map that they are

1118
04:10:58,560 --> 04:11:07,120
circulating does not show any
connection. Yeah, if I may add,

1119
04:11:04,319 --> 04:11:11,359
so their project is uh quite a bit
bigger than ours as well in terms of

1120
04:11:08,880 --> 04:11:17,120
housing and then a lot more industrial.
Um, as part of their traffic analysis,

1121
04:11:14,399 --> 04:11:20,720
they didn't need a junction point
through the city to like live oak canyon

1122
04:11:19,120 --> 04:11:25,199
or anything like that. And then our
specific plan doesn't need that

1123
04:11:22,080 --> 04:11:29,520
connection point into Jalama either. So
there wasn't necessarily a demand from

1124
04:11:27,279 --> 04:11:33,520
our plan. And based on the analysis that
Chow Mesa did, there isn't a demand on

1125
04:11:31,520 --> 04:11:38,319
their plan to connect through to Live
Oak Canyon or the future Wildwood based

1126
04:11:36,080 --> 04:11:42,760
on how the plan was assessed and the
environmental review completed today.

1127
04:11:44,080 --> 04:11:50,560
Thank you, Ben. Um, another question, if
the updated plan is not approved, how

1128
04:11:48,800 --> 04:11:56,160
does it affect the city's adopted
housing element?

1129
04:11:54,239 --> 04:12:00,960
you know, for years the city's housing
element has identified housing in this

1130
04:11:58,160 --> 04:12:06,880
freeway corridor specific plan area and
since 2008 um you know as as you know

1131
04:12:04,080 --> 04:12:12,160
that housing has not been developed. It
has not come to fruition. So, one of the

1132
04:12:09,359 --> 04:12:16,000
things that will that will impact the
city's housing element is that if the

1133
04:12:14,319 --> 04:12:21,040
city is not able to show the state that
we have made an effort to facilitate

1134
04:12:18,160 --> 04:12:25,840
housing in this area and by that I mean
there's a there's a plan that has been

1135
04:12:23,120 --> 04:12:30,560
adopted that was adopted in 2008 that
that identifies housing but nothing has

1136
04:12:28,319 --> 04:12:35,840
happened and the city doesn't make any
attempts to change the land use to meet

1137
04:12:33,199 --> 04:12:41,680
the current market. Um, you know, if we
can't show any that we've sh made any

1138
04:12:38,080 --> 04:12:46,160
changes, then that will that will
essentially

1139
04:12:43,920 --> 04:12:52,479
uh the state can come down on the city
and essentially force us to relocate the

1140
04:12:49,760 --> 04:12:58,319
2447 units that are currently identified
in the plan to relocate those to area to

1141
04:12:55,520 --> 04:13:05,040
other areas of the city. And you know
that that that is again that is as a

1142
04:13:01,760 --> 04:13:08,640
result of of you you can't leave a if a
plan isn't being developed the state

1143
04:13:06,960 --> 04:13:12,399
doesn't want you to leave it the way it
is they want you to make an effort to

1144
04:13:10,399 --> 04:13:16,800
make changes to facilitate development.
>> And if I may add so the term that the

1145
04:13:14,800 --> 04:13:21,439
state as part of more recent legislation
is deemed infeasible. So if you've had a

1146
04:13:19,120 --> 04:13:25,520
housing site and kind of planned for a
few housing cycles nothing happens with

1147
04:13:23,760 --> 04:13:29,600
it. The state defaults and says you know
what this is not going to happen. And so

1148
04:13:27,040 --> 04:13:34,080
you need to plan elsewhere. The other
challenge though is that pursuant to

1149
04:13:31,520 --> 04:13:37,680
state law, we can't downzone the freeway
corridor and get rid of the housing

1150
04:13:35,680 --> 04:13:42,080
units either. So it means that the state
won't count credit for the 2400 units.

1151
04:13:40,880 --> 04:13:45,680
So we'll have to make it up elsewhere,
but we can't get rid of it here. So then

1152
04:13:43,760 --> 04:13:50,399
we end up with a net increase of housing
units plan. And so at some point this

1153
04:13:48,239 --> 04:13:56,840
could come to fruition. But now we've
double dipped in terms of the total

1154
04:13:51,920 --> 04:13:56,840
units in order to comply with state law.

1155
04:13:59,040 --> 04:14:05,040
Another question uh that has come up,
how much additional annual revenue will

1156
04:14:03,279 --> 04:14:09,520
the proposed warehouse project bring to
the city?

1157
04:14:07,760 --> 04:14:13,600
This information is included in the in
the staff report. And as you can see

1158
04:14:11,439 --> 04:14:20,319
that um the annual revenue as a result
of property uh taxes and the uh property

1159
04:14:16,960 --> 04:14:24,880
tax and L vehicle license fee is
approximately $789,000.

1160
04:14:22,880 --> 04:14:29,840
And I think it it's important to note
that the the property tax revenue begins

1161
04:14:27,680 --> 04:14:33,279
to occur immediately after the buildings
are completed and the property is

1162
04:14:31,279 --> 04:14:41,960
assessed by the county assessor, which
can occur before the uh a tenant is is

1163
04:14:38,000 --> 04:14:41,960
um occupies a building.

1164
04:14:42,960 --> 04:14:49,840
How much development impact fee revenue
will the proposed warehouse project

1165
04:14:46,159 --> 04:14:55,359
bring to the city? Um the city council
just recently uh adopted the the new

1166
04:14:53,120 --> 04:15:00,159
development impact fee schedule for the
city and uh this number that you see on

1167
04:14:57,680 --> 04:15:05,040
the on the screen is based on the new
methodology and as you can see on the uh

1168
04:15:03,199 --> 04:15:10,239
four different components drainage,
traffic, public facilities, and fire.

1169
04:15:07,120 --> 04:15:17,120
There's a total of um about four almost
14.4 $4 million that will be a onetime

1170
04:15:14,720 --> 04:15:22,399
revenue uh to the city as a result of
development impact fee program.

1171
04:15:20,880 --> 04:15:26,239
Um
why can't the land uses at the future

1172
04:15:24,159 --> 04:15:31,920
Wildwood interchange be revised in the
updated plan? That's another question

1173
04:15:28,080 --> 04:15:38,319
that that we have received and as city
council is aware the Wildwood

1174
04:15:34,159 --> 04:15:42,880
interchange is is in the city's adopted
CIP. We are working with SBCTA and

1175
04:15:40,720 --> 04:15:47,840
Calrans on the development of that and
as you know that an interchange project

1176
04:15:45,199 --> 04:15:54,479
may take years to develop. Right now we
are in in year four of of the process in

1177
04:15:52,159 --> 04:15:59,520
the in the environmental
um documentation phase and that that

1178
04:15:58,239 --> 04:16:03,840
will conclude at the end of this year
and we'll move into the the engineering

1179
04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:09,199
phase. Um but and then once the
engineering phase is completed, CALR

1180
04:16:05,760 --> 04:16:13,439
will begin with the city's help the
property acquisition to construct the

1181
04:16:10,960 --> 04:16:18,800
project. And as we've mentioned in the
past that that if any changes to the

1182
04:16:16,479 --> 04:16:23,439
land use uh within that proposed
Wallwood interchange footprint may re

1183
04:16:21,199 --> 04:16:28,720
result in inverse condemnation and legal
issues. um you know once it comes time

1184
04:16:25,760 --> 04:16:33,680
to approach the property owners for the
uh right ofway or the property that is

1185
04:16:30,560 --> 04:16:37,840
required for the interchange.
And again on on the side by side

1186
04:16:36,000 --> 04:16:44,479
comparison of the current plan and the
updated plan um you could see where the

1187
04:16:41,040 --> 04:16:50,199
black circle is that the the land uses
are similar. They in both they have not

1188
04:16:47,199 --> 04:16:50,199
changed.

1189
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:58,880
Uh why is uh Yakava Valley Water
District uh wastewater treatment plant

1190
04:16:56,080 --> 04:17:03,840
property and excluded from the updated
plan? um you know that the property that

1191
04:17:02,159 --> 04:17:09,199
is owned and operated by the water
district is designated for public

1192
04:17:06,159 --> 04:17:13,040
utilities in the current plan and since
they processed their own SQL

1193
04:17:11,199 --> 04:17:19,120
environmental review for the development
on their prop on their properties um you

1194
04:17:16,880 --> 04:17:22,640
know for that reason the the their
property was excluded from the updated

1195
04:17:21,760 --> 04:17:26,800
plan.
>> I also want to know because of their

1196
04:17:25,040 --> 04:17:31,920
operation is kind of independent from
the specific plan. isn't like it's a

1197
04:17:29,279 --> 04:17:36,080
critical phasing of the rest of the plan
development. So it operates completely

1198
04:17:33,760 --> 04:17:40,640
independently and so based upon that it
made more sense to keep them just as a

1199
04:17:38,399 --> 04:17:45,199
standard review rather than having
specific standards that really didn't

1200
04:17:42,560 --> 04:17:48,359
offer any value to them or the city in
the plan.

1201
04:17:49,840 --> 04:17:56,399
And another uh question that we received
a lot is why are there two different

1202
04:17:54,239 --> 04:18:03,399
types of open space or two different
colors on the map uh you know on the on

1203
04:17:59,680 --> 04:18:03,399
the updated plan

1204
04:18:04,640 --> 04:18:13,520
um you know and this is this is uh
important to note I think you know the

1205
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:18,880
current 2008 plan it it doesn't allow
any development in the light green open

1206
04:18:15,680 --> 04:18:24,239
space area and and again the reason is
because that area was designated as open

1207
04:18:22,000 --> 04:18:29,199
space and to be undisturbed. This again
this was in 2008 and in the current

1208
04:18:25,920 --> 04:18:32,880
plan. This updated plan is does it does
uh differentiate between the

1209
04:18:30,720 --> 04:18:37,680
environmental sensitive open space areas
and those natural drainage areas and the

1210
04:18:36,080 --> 04:18:42,960
open space that can have limited
development. We've uh mentioned before

1211
04:18:40,000 --> 04:18:47,600
that in the updated plan in the light
green areas um there is some limited

1212
04:18:45,840 --> 04:18:52,720
development that can occur such as
grading um you know Ben can touch on

1213
04:18:51,439 --> 04:18:58,319
some of the other things that can be
done in in that area but it does provide

1214
04:18:55,279 --> 04:19:01,600
some additional flexibility for the
property owners and developers

1215
04:18:59,840 --> 04:19:04,720
developers to be able to use some of the
light green area to facilitate their

1216
04:19:03,600 --> 04:19:09,680
development.
>> Yeah. And if anything um you know it

1217
04:19:07,279 --> 04:19:15,040
reflects kind of the current condition.
So the existing green says kind of no

1218
04:19:12,800 --> 04:19:18,720
development whatsoever but there's land
in that that's currently used for

1219
04:19:16,800 --> 04:19:22,560
farming operations or grazing other
stuff where it really is already

1220
04:19:20,399 --> 04:19:27,840
disturbed. And so we were trying to
reconcile that of okay sensitive places

1221
04:19:25,680 --> 04:19:31,920
you know that warrant the the mitigation
and have all these permit and kind of

1222
04:19:30,239 --> 04:19:36,399
red tape associated with it with other
agencies. We're gonna differentiate in

1223
04:19:34,640 --> 04:19:40,560
the other ones that are already kind of
being used. We're gonna make sure that

1224
04:19:38,239 --> 04:19:44,159
the current plan reflects those that
flexibility given that it doesn't make

1225
04:19:42,720 --> 04:19:47,439
sense to have a plan that's already
contrary to what's happening on the

1226
04:19:45,920 --> 04:19:52,239
ground.
>> And you can see on the sideby-side

1227
04:19:49,279 --> 04:19:57,920
comparison map that um you know the the
the updated plan does show a little less

1228
04:19:55,920 --> 04:20:02,560
combined open space areas than the
current adopted plan. And again, that

1229
04:19:59,680 --> 04:20:06,640
was intended to provide the property
owners and developers with more

1230
04:20:04,399 --> 04:20:09,640
flexibility based on city council's uh
direction.

1231
04:20:13,199 --> 04:20:19,680
Okay. Uh will the updated plan with the
proposed warehouse project result in

1232
04:20:18,159 --> 04:20:25,040
more traffic when compared to the
existing plan? Um I mentioned earlier

1233
04:20:22,319 --> 04:20:30,720
that the updated plan uh will result in
50 52% less uh traffic at at buildout

1234
04:20:29,199 --> 04:20:34,960
compared to the current adopted plan.
And again this is comparing buildout of

1235
04:20:32,880 --> 04:20:41,840
the current plan and the updated plan
not not based on um not based on

1236
04:20:39,520 --> 04:20:47,359
different differentiating between the
undeveloped land in the future. And the

1237
04:20:44,880 --> 04:20:52,399
the reason for that is that um there was
a a change of traffic demand for the

1238
04:20:50,800 --> 04:20:56,640
business park use, the warehouse use,
and then also the change of the

1239
04:20:54,479 --> 04:21:02,640
residential densities for more efficient
traffic that resulted in less less uh

1240
04:20:59,520 --> 04:21:07,120
projected traffic.
Um what will the $38 million that was

1241
04:21:05,600 --> 04:21:11,279
mentioned by the warehouse developer at
a previous meeting pay for? Uh that was

1242
04:21:09,040 --> 04:21:16,560
a good question that came up. Um, and
that the $38 million was mentioned right

1243
04:21:14,399 --> 04:21:21,279
after the discussion of the water line.
And we did clarify with the the

1244
04:21:18,880 --> 04:21:26,720
warehouse developer that the 37 38
million that they were referring to uh

1245
04:21:24,479 --> 04:21:30,479
uh is the their estimated cost for the
infrastructure as it relates to water,

1246
04:21:28,560 --> 04:21:37,520
sewer, electric, telecommunications, the
road winding of Live Oak um Live Oak

1247
04:21:34,319 --> 04:21:42,479
Canyon Road and also their share of the
new bridge of Live to widen Live Canyon

1248
04:21:39,840 --> 04:21:46,800
Road over uh Wallwood Creek. And that
also includes the cost of the new road

1249
04:21:44,479 --> 04:21:51,399
that will service the new public road
that will service the proposed

1250
04:21:48,399 --> 04:21:51,399
warehouses.

1251
04:21:51,920 --> 04:22:00,479
Uh does the current adopted 2008 plan
allow warehouses? I I covered this

1252
04:21:57,040 --> 04:22:07,120
earlier, you know. Um yes, the in the
current plan, the areas in red, the

1253
04:22:03,040 --> 04:22:14,960
commercial areas, they they um
they do um allow for warehouse use.

1254
04:22:12,560 --> 04:22:18,080
Um why are mitigation measures for
traffic such as road widening,

1255
04:22:16,319 --> 04:22:25,760
intersection improvements and new roads
deleted from the um SEIR review

1256
04:22:21,680 --> 04:22:30,640
document? Um you know this this question
did come up and even though if you look

1257
04:22:28,319 --> 04:22:34,640
at the environmental doc document the
those mitigation measures are crossed

1258
04:22:32,399 --> 04:22:40,720
out or deleted. The reason for that is
because the the level of service is no

1259
04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:46,000
longer um reviewed under SQA. So those
mitigation measures are not included in

1260
04:22:42,560 --> 04:22:49,600
the SQUA document, but they are still
conditions of approval for the project

1261
04:22:47,760 --> 04:22:55,040
to be consistent with the general plan.
>> And I do want to note as well just for

1262
04:22:51,600 --> 04:22:59,840
the traffic analysis, it did model the
traffic during the pumpkin patch season

1263
04:22:57,279 --> 04:23:03,760
as well. So it wasn't just we have less
traffic with all that stuff. We also

1264
04:23:01,439 --> 04:23:07,040
heavy loaded the traffic assumptions to
make sure that the roadway improvements

1265
04:23:05,359 --> 04:23:11,040
that would be conditions of approval
rather than mitigation would be upheld

1266
04:23:09,279 --> 04:23:16,080
as well. also that way it's more
efficient for all residents throughout

1267
04:23:13,120 --> 04:23:20,239
the year.
>> Why does the updated plan allow

1268
04:23:17,680 --> 04:23:24,080
developers to extend a CUP up to 12
years to complete a project? Um, you

1269
04:23:22,880 --> 04:23:29,120
know, currently the city's de
development code allows six years. So,

1270
04:23:26,399 --> 04:23:35,520
it's three years and then plus one
additional three-year extension. So the

1271
04:23:31,680 --> 04:23:39,120
six the the 12 the proposed 12 years was
meant to provide additional time for

1272
04:23:37,040 --> 04:23:43,279
these larger multi-phase projects to be
completed. Uh Ben can provide some

1273
04:23:41,120 --> 04:23:46,640
examples of other projects that required
more than the six years that are

1274
04:23:45,120 --> 04:23:49,760
currently identified in the development
code.

1275
04:23:47,359 --> 04:23:52,960
» Yeah. So a lot of it is to offer
flexibility especially with large

1276
04:23:51,600 --> 04:23:58,239
construction projects where you have a
lot of moving pieces to it in terms of

1277
04:23:55,760 --> 04:24:01,520
phasing the construction all that
related stuff. But a prime example of

1278
04:24:00,319 --> 04:24:06,319
kind of where having the time
limitations can be a difficult thing is

1279
04:24:04,479 --> 04:24:11,279
right now we have the Kaiser Permanente
that's uh entitled at the Kypo Point

1280
04:24:08,479 --> 04:24:15,199
project site. Kypo Point is reaching its
six years from the initial entitlement

1281
04:24:13,279 --> 04:24:20,080
which means that that entitlement is
going to expire meaning that the

1282
04:24:17,439 --> 04:24:24,720
approval for Kaiser Permanente is no
longer in place. Now, it's not

1283
04:24:22,319 --> 04:24:29,520
necessarily hard to go through the
process and retake it through plan

1284
04:24:26,720 --> 04:24:33,840
commission and all that review, but when
you're looking at a tenant that is has a

1285
04:24:31,840 --> 04:24:37,439
site that's almost ready to go versus
one that has to go back through the

1286
04:24:35,199 --> 04:24:41,359
entire process, it moves it down their
the priorization level quite a bit. And

1287
04:24:39,520 --> 04:24:44,800
so, we did try to as part ordinance
number 450 include kind of

1288
04:24:43,040 --> 04:24:48,640
administrative step that can help extend
it. But that's where sometimes good

1289
04:24:46,880 --> 04:24:52,720
tenants you want to be able to have it
be as streamlined to move forward.

1290
04:24:50,399 --> 04:24:57,600
Otherwise, they may look at easier sites
and put you on the the shelf for later

1291
04:24:54,880 --> 04:25:01,840
on. And so, that's was the philosophy
behind the the larger timelines within

1292
04:24:59,920 --> 04:25:06,159
the freeway quarter given how big of a
plan area it is and and the retail

1293
04:25:04,560 --> 04:25:09,600
development potential that could happen
there. Making sure that it's lined up

1294
04:25:08,080 --> 04:25:14,239
for any tenants that once they say
they're ready to go, as an example,

1295
04:25:11,439 --> 04:25:17,920
Trader Joe's with Eypo Point had very
quick timeline. being able to be

1296
04:25:16,080 --> 04:25:22,760
flexible to that makes all the
difference on those tenants showing up

1297
04:25:19,520 --> 04:25:22,760
or not.

1298
04:25:24,319 --> 04:25:30,159
» Some other concerns that were brought up
uh previously uh you know were related

1299
04:25:28,080 --> 04:25:36,080
to the air quality and the the diesel
trucks and there was a question that

1300
04:25:33,840 --> 04:25:40,880
that was presented whether there were
any AQMD reports and or requirements for

1301
04:25:38,399 --> 04:25:44,800
the updated plan. Um, as part of the
environmental review, there were uh

1302
04:25:43,199 --> 04:25:49,920
there was a health risk assessments
report that prepared for the overall

1303
04:25:47,199 --> 04:25:53,760
updated plan as well as uh specifically
for the proposed warehouse project and

1304
04:25:51,920 --> 04:26:01,040
the air quality impacts were found to be
below the AQMD thresholds. And um the

1305
04:25:58,080 --> 04:26:07,040
the the warehouse developer is also
proposing some additional um air quality

1306
04:26:04,000 --> 04:26:10,800
sustainability components. uh they're
proposing to implement some of those

1307
04:26:08,319 --> 04:26:13,439
components as far as their approval and
perhaps Ben you can add some more detail

1308
04:26:12,560 --> 04:26:17,359
on that.
>> Yeah. So as part of the health risk

1309
04:26:15,120 --> 04:26:22,640
assessment uh one thing to note as well
as we again took a more conservative

1310
04:26:19,199 --> 04:26:27,439
approach and so HUMMD allows you to do a
shorter trip lengths for smaller trucks

1311
04:26:25,600 --> 04:26:32,800
and rather than and so when you model it
you're imagining kind of midsize trucks

1312
04:26:30,080 --> 04:26:35,920
not the semi-trs delivering goods and
everything like that and their radius is

1313
04:26:34,399 --> 04:26:39,760
pretty small. We took the more
conservative approach and applied the

1314
04:26:37,279 --> 04:26:44,000
longer one as if it was like a long haul
kind of uh semi-truck. That way the air

1315
04:26:42,319 --> 04:26:47,920
quality emissions were essentially
heavily or more heavily loaded in terms

1316
04:26:46,399 --> 04:26:51,520
of the analysis to make sure we're more
conservative. And so even with that the

1317
04:26:49,520 --> 04:26:57,680
health risk assessment was below the
thresholds under HUMD.

1318
04:26:55,040 --> 04:27:03,040
Okay. Um back to the questions related
to the open space, you know, it um uh

1319
04:27:01,279 --> 04:27:06,720
the next question. If the plan is
approved, will a property owner be able

1320
04:27:05,040 --> 04:27:10,960
to develop within a proposed dark green
open space conservation area in the

1321
04:27:08,720 --> 04:27:14,479
future? I touched on this a little
earlier. You know, the answer is yes.

1322
04:27:12,560 --> 04:27:19,439
The property owner will be able to use
uh the information that was prepared for

1323
04:27:17,279 --> 04:27:22,880
this envir this environmental review for
the environmental review for the update.

1324
04:27:21,120 --> 04:27:26,640
They they will be able to to use that
information uh to complete the

1325
04:27:25,040 --> 04:27:31,520
environmental review and permitting for
the development um that they wish to do

1326
04:27:28,800 --> 04:27:37,439
within those uh open space conservation
or dark green areas. And uh you know

1327
04:27:34,720 --> 04:27:42,640
they would they would be able to do it
and it would be at their expense. You

1328
04:27:39,600 --> 04:27:46,560
know they would have to process um an
amendment to the plan uh through the

1329
04:27:44,479 --> 04:27:50,399
city. But this plan does allow for that
flexibility to be able to use the

1330
04:27:48,640 --> 04:27:55,760
environmental review that has done just
so they can they can tailor the um

1331
04:27:54,080 --> 04:28:00,680
tailor everything for what they would
like to do as far as development on

1332
04:27:57,520 --> 04:28:00,680
their property.

1333
04:28:00,880 --> 04:28:06,880
If the updated plan is approved, is it
set in stone? Is it permanent? This is

1334
04:28:04,560 --> 04:28:11,120
another question that we have received.
You know, uh do the property owners uh

1335
04:28:09,279 --> 04:28:16,159
have the option to revise the land use
on their property in the future? Uh the

1336
04:28:13,680 --> 04:28:20,159
answer to that is similar to um you know
the previous question. You know if the

1337
04:28:18,159 --> 04:28:24,159
updated plan is approved the property
owners will have the option to process

1338
04:28:21,680 --> 04:28:27,760
an application with the city to revise
the change in land use on their

1339
04:28:25,920 --> 04:28:32,640
property. Again it'll be at their
expense. Um and you know this may

1340
04:28:30,960 --> 04:28:36,880
include additional environmental review
and permitting. And here it's important

1341
04:28:34,880 --> 04:28:43,040
to note that if the this plan is
approved and a developer, a property

1342
04:28:39,840 --> 04:28:46,640
owner is wishing to develop the property
and they're not going to develop,

1343
04:28:45,120 --> 04:28:50,800
they're not pro proposing development
within the dark green open space

1344
04:28:48,239 --> 04:28:55,279
conservation areas, they do not need to
complete any additional review or

1345
04:28:52,720 --> 04:28:58,159
permitting uh environmental permitting.
They would have to get the building

1346
04:28:56,479 --> 04:29:04,120
permits, but not as far as environmental
review and permitting, uh they would not

1347
04:28:59,840 --> 04:29:04,120
have be required to do that.

1348
04:29:06,960 --> 04:29:13,840
Last question. Why are we in a hurry to
amend uh the plan and do we have time to

1349
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:22,479
wait and continue to work on the updated
plan? Um you know if if uh if we don't

1350
04:29:19,520 --> 04:29:26,560
consider an update to the plan now u
obviously there you know we've talked

1351
04:29:24,159 --> 04:29:31,439
about the housing element risks already.
You know uh some property owners will

1352
04:29:28,880 --> 04:29:36,800
remain in in limbo. you know, the the
Palmer with the warehouse project, the

1353
04:29:33,920 --> 04:29:41,439
pumpkin patch, uh the water district. I
mentioned earlier that the the pumpkin

1354
04:29:38,720 --> 04:29:46,000
patch um you know they will benefit from
the update because a lot of the a lot of

1355
04:29:43,120 --> 04:29:51,680
the uses that they are currently
uh wishing to or hoping to do um that

1356
04:29:50,080 --> 04:29:55,439
you know they they do have a conditional
use permit but some of the uses that

1357
04:29:53,279 --> 04:29:59,840
they are currently doing they they would
be able to do them with the plan without

1358
04:29:57,680 --> 04:30:04,880
any further they would be able to do
them with the updated plan without any

1359
04:30:02,239 --> 04:30:09,279
further review. So, so the update to the
plan does benefit the pumpkin patch. Um,

1360
04:30:06,960 --> 04:30:12,479
you know, I mentioned that uh the the
water district. Right now, their

1361
04:30:10,479 --> 04:30:16,399
property is included in the adopted plan
and removing them or making their

1362
04:30:14,800 --> 04:30:20,479
property not a part, it would make make
it a little easier for them to do what

1363
04:30:18,319 --> 04:30:25,680
they need to do to expand their their
operation and their facility on their

1364
04:30:22,880 --> 04:30:30,319
end. Um, you know, there is also a
potential loss of interest for projects

1365
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:36,479
uh since there are some uh projects that
are being considered based on the um the

1366
04:30:33,520 --> 04:30:41,680
approval of the updated plan. And again,
if if uh you know, if any additional any

1367
04:30:39,760 --> 04:30:46,560
major changes or recirculation of the
EIR would cause some additional expenses

1368
04:30:43,840 --> 04:30:52,720
to the city's general fund. And as you
can see that um you know, the general

1369
04:30:48,319 --> 04:30:56,560
fund has um has spent a lot of money on
this process so far.

1370
04:30:54,239 --> 04:31:00,880
» Yeah. And I think in terms of potential
loss of interest, um, we have to

1371
04:30:58,720 --> 04:31:06,640
recognize that our trade area, so the
people that shop in Ukipa and the other

1372
04:31:03,520 --> 04:31:10,239
areas where retailer trades want to go.
Um, they don't look at just city borders

1373
04:31:09,279 --> 04:31:14,319
and everything like that. They're
looking at the region. And so there's

1374
04:31:11,439 --> 04:31:18,880
only so many rooftops for those
developers to come in. And so when you

1375
04:31:16,479 --> 04:31:22,720
have opportunities in Cal Mesa or
Bowmont,

1376
04:31:21,120 --> 04:31:25,279
whichever one is kind of the easiest to
move forward with is the one that

1377
04:31:23,760 --> 04:31:30,560
they're going to be kind of looking at.
And so it's making sure that we're again

1378
04:31:27,439 --> 04:31:35,680
flexible for for those components as
they come to maturity.

1379
04:31:33,199 --> 04:31:42,479
» And the last bullet point there just to
touch on the housing element risks. you

1380
04:31:38,479 --> 04:31:47,840
know, if I if uh
if the plan if the update to the plan is

1381
04:31:45,120 --> 04:31:52,960
not approved and as I mentioned earlier
that you know the current housing

1382
04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:58,239
element identifies the uh units in this
area if we don't move forward and update

1383
04:31:56,319 --> 04:32:02,960
the plan then that can obviously you
know it'll show the state that we are

1384
04:31:59,920 --> 04:32:09,840
not doing anything to help the
residential development in that area and

1385
04:32:05,760 --> 04:32:13,040
and as I mentioned earlier the 2447
units that are currently identified in

1386
04:32:11,279 --> 04:32:18,880
that area would have to be relocated to
other areas of the city. But um and the

1387
04:32:16,239 --> 04:32:27,040
reason is because we we the our housing
element still shows that we we are

1388
04:32:21,760 --> 04:32:31,840
making plans to build those 2447 units.
So that's a a you know having to

1389
04:32:29,920 --> 04:32:37,920
relocate those all those units other
areas of the city. um you know we've all

1390
04:32:34,960 --> 04:32:43,520
seen the a map of the city of Ukipa. So
anywhere within that boundary is where

1391
04:32:41,359 --> 04:32:48,960
those units would have to be to would
have to be placed. So um with that that

1392
04:32:46,720 --> 04:32:51,680
uh con uh concludes the report. The
recommendation before you tonight is

1393
04:32:50,239 --> 04:32:55,760
that city council conduct a public
hearing regarding the freeway corridor

1394
04:32:53,359 --> 04:33:00,640
specific plan and the revised final
supplemental environmental impact report

1395
04:32:57,760 --> 04:33:05,520
as well as case number 21-196 for the
Pacific Oaks Commerce Center. And based

1396
04:33:03,680 --> 04:33:10,879
on the direction provided in prior city
council meeting discussions um consider

1397
04:33:08,639 --> 04:33:15,199
recommendations 1 through five as listed
in in the agenda report. That concludes

1398
04:33:13,439 --> 04:33:20,000
the report and staff is available for
questions.

1399
04:33:17,600 --> 04:33:24,000
Thank you, sir. I think uh before we get
to uh questions and comments, uh do we

1400
04:33:22,400 --> 04:33:27,119
have a presentation by an applicant or
anything?

1401
04:33:26,160 --> 04:33:33,561
» That would be Yes, we do.
>> That would be next on the order. We'll

1402
04:33:30,160 --> 04:33:33,561
move to that.

1403
04:33:47,680 --> 04:33:55,680
think I know how to work this. Can you
guys hear me? Okay. Um, good evening,

1404
04:33:52,320 --> 04:34:02,000
Council, Mayor Prom, Mayor, Councilman
Beaver, wherever you may be over the air

1405
04:33:57,680 --> 04:34:06,000
airwaves. Um, I appreciate, um, it was a
great presentation with a lot of

1406
04:34:03,520 --> 04:34:10,799
information for you guys to digest. Um,
of course, I wanted to come up and

1407
04:34:07,760 --> 04:34:14,879
present our project specifically. Uh
some of it uh was already addressed in

1408
04:34:12,959 --> 04:34:20,719
there, but uh it'll give us a chance to
go through it. I'll try and be fast so

1409
04:34:16,639 --> 04:34:28,561
that I don't uh waste your time.
Um nope.

1410
04:34:24,799 --> 04:34:34,320
Oh, that was one off.
>> Oh, that's

1411
04:34:30,959 --> 04:34:38,160
all right. Um my name is Dan Floriani.
I'm the co-founder of Pacific

1412
04:34:35,600 --> 04:34:42,000
Industrial. Um, as you guys know, and
most of the staff here knows, we've been

1413
04:34:39,760 --> 04:34:49,199
working on this project for 4 years
plus. Um, at this point, um, we, uh,

1414
04:34:47,039 --> 04:34:54,160
early on the stages actually came and
spent the time to meet with, uh, many

1415
04:34:51,840 --> 04:34:58,320
stakeholders within city of Ukipa. You
have a list here about obviously city

1416
04:34:55,680 --> 04:35:03,840
council, um, city manager, utility
providers in the area, the planning

1417
04:34:59,920 --> 04:35:08,160
commissioners, the city staff, um, and,
um, more importantly, I would say even

1418
04:35:05,920 --> 04:35:13,760
in some context, met with the property
owners, environmental groups, and, um,

1419
04:35:11,439 --> 04:35:18,320
CALR in order to make sure we're making
informed decisions before we even put

1420
04:35:15,680 --> 04:35:22,480
lines on a paper to propose anything.
Um, as a result of that, there were very

1421
04:35:20,240 --> 04:35:27,439
obvious themes that came over uh the
course of that, which is that UKyper

1422
04:35:24,959 --> 04:35:32,639
really cherishes its rural uh vibe and
atmosphere here that you guys have here.

1423
04:35:29,680 --> 04:35:36,400
Um, that there was a emphasis if we were
to do a development here that we needed

1424
04:35:34,480 --> 04:35:42,320
to protect specific corridors and
ridgeways. Um and we understood that and

1425
04:35:40,320 --> 04:35:47,199
uh obviously there was a goal as the
city um in order to provide more jobs

1426
04:35:45,199 --> 04:35:50,719
and benefits and revenue opportunities
for the city. Um so with that

1427
04:35:49,039 --> 04:35:55,840
information
we uh actually spent over a year

1428
04:35:53,600 --> 04:36:02,080
designing a project within the context
of what is a 300 plus acre property um

1429
04:35:59,680 --> 04:36:08,320
in order to do something that was unique
in the context of what our expertise is.

1430
04:36:05,520 --> 04:36:12,959
Um, so we designed a project and if
you're not in our space, this might uh

1431
04:36:10,799 --> 04:36:17,840
be too nuanced, but we designed a pro
designed a project that is u uh really

1432
04:36:15,840 --> 04:36:21,199
green leaning. It's actually very unique
in the context of most developments in

1433
04:36:19,760 --> 04:36:27,039
Southern California for what we
specialize in. Uh we we focused on a

1434
04:36:24,480 --> 04:36:31,279
modern architecture, EV charging
stations, solar ready roofs. uh the

1435
04:36:29,439 --> 04:36:34,879
circulation on these properties is
actually the least understood in our

1436
04:36:33,199 --> 04:36:38,879
industry and actually has caused a lot
of consternation throughout many

1437
04:36:36,959 --> 04:36:44,240
communities which have many of these
facilities jammed next to each other. Um

1438
04:36:41,359 --> 04:36:47,680
and I understand that um we are trying
to take the exact opposite approach and

1439
04:36:46,080 --> 04:36:53,199
design something that allows for
circulation and traffic which pulls

1440
04:36:50,240 --> 04:36:57,359
trucks and cars candidly way off the
freeway and way away from residential

1441
04:36:55,439 --> 04:37:01,680
areas in order to allow free
circulation. The biggest problem with

1442
04:36:59,199 --> 04:37:06,400
these projects is uh trucks get queued
up in same streets and there's too many

1443
04:37:04,080 --> 04:37:10,320
of them in one concentrated area. And
this is uh I think an attempt to set a

1444
04:37:08,639 --> 04:37:14,320
new example of how you could do it in a
more responsible way but still

1445
04:37:12,240 --> 04:37:18,320
accomplish the goals. Um and I can tell
you from users out there in the market

1446
04:37:16,080 --> 04:37:23,680
this would be very attractive uh because
this doesn't exist with this many

1447
04:37:20,080 --> 04:37:29,199
amenities. Um so anyway we spent a lot
of time and energy focusing on that. Um,

1448
04:37:26,561 --> 04:37:32,879
we obviously spent uh time that the
staff has already shown you some of our

1449
04:37:31,119 --> 04:37:37,279
elevations trying to design something
that actually mimics a bit of the uh

1450
04:37:34,879 --> 04:37:43,760
rural feel.
Um, and so some of the questions we

1451
04:37:41,039 --> 04:37:46,879
often have received over the past four
plus years that we've working on this is

1452
04:37:45,279 --> 04:37:50,000
like, why are you doing this? What kind
of tenants are going to come in here?

1453
04:37:48,160 --> 04:37:53,920
Because most people only focus on one
tenant and it has giant A in front of

1454
04:37:51,760 --> 04:38:00,080
it. And I'm like, that that is not what
our goal is. And that is actually very

1455
04:37:57,119 --> 04:38:04,879
uh uh misunderstood concept on how many
great companies are out there that need

1456
04:38:01,920 --> 04:38:09,119
spaces like this to occupy. Um so I put
some examples up here but I mean people

1457
04:38:06,959 --> 04:38:12,959
don't know that Hillet Packard has a
million and a half square feet down the

1458
04:38:10,879 --> 04:38:17,359
street who would otherwise love a
project like this. and you have LG

1459
04:38:14,719 --> 04:38:22,400
Electronics, Restoration Hardware, um,
Black & Decker to name just a handful

1460
04:38:20,000 --> 04:38:28,719
here to give people some context who
aren't again nerding out in this field

1461
04:38:24,959 --> 04:38:33,359
like I do on a daily basis.
Um, so I think one of the cooler things

1462
04:38:31,439 --> 04:38:38,000
we did on this project is actually look
at the entirety of the space, taking the

1463
04:38:35,680 --> 04:38:41,359
input from the city staff and all the
stakeholders that we had met with um,

1464
04:38:40,080 --> 04:38:45,359
and try and come up with something
that's a little unique in this context.

1465
04:38:43,520 --> 04:38:50,400
Uh you can see where we're proposing the
industrial but in a 300 acre setting. U

1466
04:38:48,879 --> 04:38:54,879
one of the things we're doing that I
think is really important for the public

1467
04:38:51,760 --> 04:39:01,439
to know is we are actually opening um
we're preserving 95 acres of permanent

1468
04:38:57,840 --> 04:39:05,680
open space. Um which falls right in line
with some of the goals of the city

1469
04:39:03,199 --> 04:39:12,561
staff. Uh but I actually think one of
the most important parts of that uh is

1470
04:39:09,279 --> 04:39:17,439
we open up this project to actually have
the public be able to access it by

1471
04:39:14,719 --> 04:39:22,080
having a a multi-use trail which will
come through the facility. Uh it's

1472
04:39:19,680 --> 04:39:26,160
bigger site than you think. Uh I can
tell you vast majority of the public uh

1473
04:39:24,320 --> 04:39:30,160
have not ever been on this site because
there are gates everywhere. we will take

1474
04:39:28,240 --> 04:39:34,719
down all those gates and we've designed
a a pathway through the project that

1475
04:39:32,480 --> 04:39:39,120
does not interact with the proposed
buildings that we are planning to

1476
04:39:36,400 --> 04:39:44,240
design. And so it truly does have a
corridor that would allow public to be

1477
04:39:41,040 --> 04:39:50,878
able to walk uh or hike from the uh live
oak side all the way through um uh

1478
04:39:47,840 --> 04:39:57,240
really scenic corridor down uh to what
would actually eventually be met up with

1479
04:39:52,718 --> 04:39:57,240
an additional trail on the other side.

1480
04:39:58,638 --> 04:40:05,120
Um
so

1481
04:40:02,240 --> 04:40:10,878
addressing some concerns uh about the
community. Uh I say this like the number

1482
04:40:08,400 --> 04:40:14,638
one narrative we've heard here and I've
heard every time I've met with any of

1483
04:40:12,560 --> 04:40:18,638
the uh residents and stakeholders in
this area is the traffic on Live Oak.

1484
04:40:16,958 --> 04:40:26,718
The traffic on Live Oak. The traffic on
Live Oak. We get it. Um what uh what we

1485
04:40:23,280 --> 04:40:31,200
looked at and analyzed and did so
handinhand with the staff um is trying

1486
04:40:29,680 --> 04:40:34,958
to understand when the traffic is the
absolute worst, which I think we all

1487
04:40:32,798 --> 04:40:39,520
know the pumpkin patch is clearly during
the holiday times. Um and so we

1488
04:40:37,360 --> 04:40:43,600
specifically worked with everyone to
make sure we're taking counts when the

1489
04:40:41,120 --> 04:40:47,440
project was when the roads there are at
their worst. Um and understand what that

1490
04:40:45,760 --> 04:40:52,718
challenge is so that we can try and
solve it. Um and uh people just think

1491
04:40:51,120 --> 04:40:56,878
we're trying to do a project over here
and not considering this. We take the

1492
04:40:54,718 --> 04:41:00,080
exact opposite approach. There's no way
we want to spend this much time and

1493
04:40:58,480 --> 04:41:04,320
energy and go through and build a
project that is congested in an area

1494
04:41:02,320 --> 04:41:08,160
that doesn't allow through traffic in it
at all. It's the exact opposite of what

1495
04:41:06,798 --> 04:41:11,600
our goals are and I don't think that
would be a successful project and it

1496
04:41:09,680 --> 04:41:16,480
would certainly exacerbate the concerns
of the residents in the area and I fully

1497
04:41:13,760 --> 04:41:21,040
understand that. So what we decided uh
to do is look at it at its worst and

1498
04:41:18,480 --> 04:41:25,440
figure out how we could solve it. Um and
so when you uh stare at these traffic

1499
04:41:23,760 --> 04:41:30,718
studies, they admittedly can get very
complicated. And so I just mentally

1500
04:41:27,280 --> 04:41:34,160
break this down in a very simple way. Um
there's one lane in each direction

1501
04:41:32,480 --> 04:41:39,760
currently as it stands there on Live
Oak. Um what we're doing or proposing to

1502
04:41:37,520 --> 04:41:45,360
do if the project is approved is expand
that which essentially uh adds a lane on

1503
04:41:42,560 --> 04:41:52,560
each side to Live Oak. um it doubles the
capacity of the uh traffic there. Our

1504
04:41:49,520 --> 04:41:57,680
project adds 10% to the total traffic
amount. Um and so I know not everyone

1505
04:41:55,360 --> 04:42:00,958
understands how those things work, but I
think if you just kind of distill it

1506
04:41:59,120 --> 04:42:05,760
down into those simple factors, it's
much easier to digest and also

1507
04:42:03,680 --> 04:42:11,120
understand that this something we care
about. It can't not work for our project

1508
04:42:08,958 --> 04:42:16,638
to be successful. And again, I do think
that kind of sets a new bar for how most

1509
04:42:13,520 --> 04:42:20,958
people look at these.
Um, the staff already addressed a lot of

1510
04:42:19,200 --> 04:42:24,798
the infrastructure work, so I don't want
to take too much of your time. I promise

1511
04:42:23,120 --> 04:42:29,840
you I'm not going anywhere. So, if you
have uh tons of questions afterwards,

1512
04:42:27,280 --> 04:42:34,560
I'm available to answer any of them. But
yes, for anyone who wasn't listening, we

1513
04:42:32,718 --> 04:42:39,440
are spending a significant amount of
infrastructure work uh in this area. And

1514
04:42:37,360 --> 04:42:43,120
it was a lot of time and effort and
coordination even to get to this point

1515
04:42:41,120 --> 04:42:48,160
to understand how to do this. I think
the most important part is to understand

1516
04:42:46,160 --> 04:42:53,200
um we are dragging obviously a water
line a very long distance down here. Now

1517
04:42:50,480 --> 04:42:58,718
that in itself does feed our project but
what we've done is sized it with the

1518
04:42:55,680 --> 04:43:02,560
Ukip Valley water uh district in order
to allow future development in the area.

1519
04:43:00,958 --> 04:43:08,798
And I think that is maybe the most
important part of that work um because

1520
04:43:06,560 --> 04:43:12,878
it does allow future expansion and
development for alternate uses up and

1521
04:43:11,040 --> 04:43:18,320
down this area which I think is critical
and important for uh the long-term

1522
04:43:15,200 --> 04:43:22,080
health of the city on a financial basis.
Um and of course we're contributing

1523
04:43:20,240 --> 04:43:26,878
about half a million dollars to for a
new fire truck as well as doing every

1524
04:43:24,320 --> 04:43:32,240
everything else here. But um I think
it's also important to know we are doing

1525
04:43:28,560 --> 04:43:37,360
so without a single taxpayer dollar. Um
this is completely funded alone from the

1526
04:43:34,400 --> 04:43:41,040
project. Um we're not asking for bonds
or something. That's kind of some weird

1527
04:43:39,040 --> 04:43:47,840
way of trying to get recouped on that is
truly our cost to do that.

1528
04:43:44,878 --> 04:43:51,200
Um you guys already touched on a lot of
this. So really quickly obviously

1529
04:43:49,600 --> 04:43:56,240
there's some recurring revenues that
happen here. these numbers that are on

1530
04:43:53,360 --> 04:44:01,680
this screen which I won't replicate
their work uh but it was not done by us

1531
04:44:00,000 --> 04:44:05,600
uh so this is done by a completely
independent group hired actually by the

1532
04:44:03,760 --> 04:44:11,920
city to understand what the economic
impacts could potentially be on the city

1533
04:44:08,400 --> 04:44:17,040
um certainly on a one-time basis of $15
million fees that go to the city is not

1534
04:44:14,638 --> 04:44:20,878
insignificant um but there are
reoccurring revenues that are generated

1535
04:44:18,958 --> 04:44:26,320
for the city u that I think are
important to understand

1536
04:44:23,920 --> 04:44:30,160
obviously that uh also comes with a lot
of job opportunities. So there's tons of

1537
04:44:28,638 --> 04:44:36,080
jobs that happen of course in the
construction of this project. Um but

1538
04:44:33,920 --> 04:44:41,520
more importantly I think for longevity
again is understanding the permanent

1539
04:44:38,638 --> 04:44:48,080
jobs that are um going to be available
to to residents of this area. Um because

1540
04:44:45,760 --> 04:44:52,480
one thing we did notice really early on
when we were analyzing the site and what

1541
04:44:50,480 --> 04:44:58,160
the opportunities are is uh
understanding Ukipa's uh jobs to housing

1542
04:44:55,280 --> 04:45:03,440
ratio which if you study these things
which maybe not everyone does but uh

1543
04:45:00,878 --> 04:45:09,600
it's very low here in Ukipa. And what
that tells you is a huge amount of

1544
04:45:07,360 --> 04:45:14,080
people who live in this great city
actually have to leave the city in order

1545
04:45:11,600 --> 04:45:17,440
to provide for their family. Uh there's
a million different ways to try and

1546
04:45:15,520 --> 04:45:24,400
solve that but this is actually a big
step towards that. Um I would say just

1547
04:45:20,240 --> 04:45:28,958
to echo um some previous comments but u
people uh tend to not understand

1548
04:45:27,200 --> 04:45:34,718
actually the type of jobs that are
available in a project like this. Um and

1549
04:45:31,760 --> 04:45:40,798
so you're you really have a tiered level
of amount of jobs that can happen here.

1550
04:45:37,760 --> 04:45:46,560
um from security all the way up to
drivers to logistics managers who have

1551
04:45:44,400 --> 04:45:51,680
master's degrees and understanding how
this works. It is truly a wide spectrum

1552
04:45:49,120 --> 04:45:55,760
of jobs that are offered and in these
size buildings you tend to attract

1553
04:45:53,280 --> 04:45:59,920
Fortune 500 companies who have very
robust programs on hiring local. In

1554
04:45:58,400 --> 04:46:05,200
fact, one of the only reasons they would
want to come is making sure that there

1555
04:46:01,760 --> 04:46:08,718
is uh opportunity to provide jobs from
people who are in the area.

1556
04:46:09,200 --> 04:46:17,920
So some of the misconceptions
um on the project or questions we get

1557
04:46:14,718 --> 04:46:24,878
asked is can calama traffic go through
our project? No. The short answer is no.

1558
04:46:22,320 --> 04:46:30,878
Uh we have emergency vehicle access
only. Um it's going to be a a gated uh

1559
04:46:28,718 --> 04:46:35,600
area and so they won't be able to just
have anyone come through there. um is is

1560
04:46:34,240 --> 04:46:39,280
are we going to build these buildings?
They're going to sit vacant. Again, we

1561
04:46:37,600 --> 04:46:42,320
wouldn't go through all this effort,
time, and energy if we thought we were

1562
04:46:40,958 --> 04:46:48,080
going to build a project that was not
going to be attractive to companies that

1563
04:46:44,718 --> 04:46:53,680
are uh looking for a project like this.
Um so, we can go into those details, but

1564
04:46:51,360 --> 04:46:56,958
um I think you would understand the
alignment of interest there and me not

1565
04:46:55,440 --> 04:47:01,440
wanting to go through this effort and
have buildings that aren't doing what we

1566
04:46:58,798 --> 04:47:04,958
think they're going to do. Um, so we are
very confident in it. Uh, can the

1567
04:47:03,440 --> 04:47:10,160
buildings be open before the
infrastructure is complete?

1568
04:47:08,000 --> 04:47:13,520
Uh, that was always a comment. It's like
we're somehow going to build these

1569
04:47:11,760 --> 04:47:18,240
buildings and never come in and widen
live oak. It's quite the opposite. The

1570
04:47:16,000 --> 04:47:23,440
staff has conditioned our project to
have those street and all those

1571
04:47:20,080 --> 04:47:27,760
infrastructure improvements 100% done
before we allowed to have anyone occupy

1572
04:47:25,680 --> 04:47:34,240
any of these buildings. Um, and it's a
very important part. I understand it,

1573
04:47:30,560 --> 04:47:40,240
but there's no way around that.
So, um, how are traffic and air quality

1574
04:47:37,040 --> 04:47:45,600
impacts addressed? Obviously,
um, we we've gone through, uh, a lot of

1575
04:47:43,760 --> 04:47:50,958
effort. If anyone's ever been through an
EI or read one, we get scrutinized very

1576
04:47:48,958 --> 04:47:55,520
heavily throughout the entire process.
It's absolutely out of our control. We

1577
04:47:53,360 --> 04:47:59,760
don't have input on what happens with
that. we have to respond to what the

1578
04:47:57,680 --> 04:48:04,718
readouts are and address them and we
have done so in many different areas in

1579
04:48:01,600 --> 04:48:09,920
the project. Um and then does a no vote
for the freeway corridor specific plan

1580
04:48:07,200 --> 04:48:13,920
prevent development? Uh it doesn't. The
staff did a great job on educating

1581
04:48:11,760 --> 04:48:18,480
everyone on that, but there is already
plans in place. So it's a different

1582
04:48:16,160 --> 04:48:22,480
version that I think actually represents
a little better balance for what the

1583
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:27,200
city is trying to achieve.
Um, and so with that, hopefully I didn't

1584
04:48:25,040 --> 04:48:32,320
take too much time. Uh, again, I'm
around to answer any questions. Um, but

1585
04:48:29,600 --> 04:48:36,400
in the essence of time, I uh, and
actually further transparency for anyone

1586
04:48:34,240 --> 04:48:42,878
who's watching on live stream or here in
person today, uh, what we, uh, asked is

1587
04:48:40,240 --> 04:48:47,280
to get a peer review of the work that
was done here. Right? Everyone of us in

1588
04:48:45,440 --> 04:48:51,440
this room have been staring at this
project for a really long time. You have

1589
04:48:49,440 --> 04:48:56,480
Place Works who helped manage the entire
EIR. You have uh city staff who's been

1590
04:48:54,400 --> 04:49:02,320
working with us. We've stared at it for
a very very long time. We asked EPD

1591
04:48:59,280 --> 04:49:07,200
who's a very well-known um entitlement
expert uh company here in Southern

1592
04:49:05,120 --> 04:49:13,680
California who's done tons of these
outside of this. We asked them to come

1593
04:49:09,440 --> 04:49:18,718
in with no vested side on on uh what's
happening here to review the work. So, I

1594
04:49:16,320 --> 04:49:23,360
wanted to introduce uh Megan Truman to
come up there just provide a little bit

1595
04:49:20,480 --> 04:49:29,878
of context um for you guys. So, thank
you again for the time. I'm going to

1596
04:49:26,240 --> 04:49:29,878
hand this over to you.

1597
04:49:32,878 --> 04:49:38,958
Good evening, Mayor Mayor Prom, members
of the city council. My name is Megan

1598
04:49:36,718 --> 04:49:43,520
Truman with EPD Solutions. We were
retained to peer review the draft

1599
04:49:41,840 --> 04:49:48,240
environmental impact report as well as
final environmental impact report

1600
04:49:45,280 --> 04:49:52,400
prepared by the city's consultant. Um
there are just a couple of items we

1601
04:49:50,320 --> 04:49:56,080
wanted to highlight regarding the SQA
analysis that was prepared for this

1602
04:49:54,160 --> 04:50:01,200
project. So there were quite a few
conservative assumptions that were

1603
04:49:58,160 --> 04:50:05,600
discussed um earlier today and then
within the EIR just to reiterate what

1604
04:50:03,680 --> 04:50:10,400
city staff discussed earlier as well as
the project applicant traffic counts

1605
04:50:08,000 --> 04:50:16,240
were taken during peak season during the
pumpkin patch season to ensure that the

1606
04:50:12,718 --> 04:50:20,000
analysis reflects worstc case scenario
um rather than a typical daily average

1607
04:50:18,400 --> 04:50:25,600
use. So we really analyze peak
conditions here um to provide for

1608
04:50:23,600 --> 04:50:31,360
additional improvements to really ensure
that there is better flow within this

1609
04:50:28,560 --> 04:50:35,600
area once the project is developed. In
addition, a very stringent health risk

1610
04:50:33,440 --> 04:50:41,200
assessment was prepared. While the city
was not required to do so, the EIR

1611
04:50:38,798 --> 04:50:44,400
utilized a conservative threshold for
the health risk assessment and still

1612
04:50:42,798 --> 04:50:49,040
found that impacts would be less than
significant with implementation of

1613
04:50:46,080 --> 04:50:54,160
mitigation. uh this ensures a very
conservative analysis of potential

1614
04:50:51,040 --> 04:50:59,760
health risk impacts uh which is not
necessarily required by SQA. In

1615
04:50:57,040 --> 04:51:06,000
addition, the trailer parking lot parcel
was analyzed as a standalone use um

1616
04:51:03,440 --> 04:51:12,000
independent of the proposed buildings
which resulted in increased trips that

1617
04:51:09,120 --> 04:51:16,160
were analyzed which also then provides a
conservative approach to traffic

1618
04:51:13,600 --> 04:51:21,360
analysis, air quality analysis and noise
analysis. And then in addition, by

1619
04:51:19,600 --> 04:51:25,200
applying all of these conservative
assumptions, the city's analysis really

1620
04:51:23,520 --> 04:51:30,120
goes above and beyond to ensure
transparency of potential worst case

1621
04:51:27,120 --> 04:51:30,120
scenarios.

1622
04:51:31,680 --> 04:51:38,240
In addition, I wanted to highlight some
of the sustainability me measures, the

1623
04:51:35,360 --> 04:51:42,638
mitigation measures that were adopted as
part of this EIR and are included in the

1624
04:51:40,878 --> 04:51:48,718
mitigation monitoring and reporting
program for the project as well as

1625
04:51:44,958 --> 04:51:52,320
buildout of the FCSP. Um, these measures
go above and beyond typical mitigation

1626
04:51:50,560 --> 04:51:56,718
measures that we see within
environmental impact reports for these

1627
04:51:54,080 --> 04:52:00,480
types of projects. uh there was cleaner
construction equipment required by

1628
04:51:58,480 --> 04:52:05,360
requiring tier 4 construction equipment.
This will minimize emissions during

1629
04:52:02,320 --> 04:52:10,878
construction significantly. In addition,
um the project is required to install EV

1630
04:52:08,320 --> 04:52:14,878
parking spaces above and beyond Cal
Green requirements. So they're actually

1631
04:52:12,240 --> 04:52:19,440
installing tier 2 requirements
and uh they project will be required to

1632
04:52:17,840 --> 04:52:24,798
utilize zero emission off-road
equipment. So forklifts, yard trucks,

1633
04:52:22,080 --> 04:52:28,718
hosler or uh yard goats for daily
business operations within the

1634
04:52:26,240 --> 04:52:32,718
industrial portions. In addition,
buildings will be constructed and

1635
04:52:30,480 --> 04:52:38,560
designed to be all electric not
requiring any natural gas consumption.

1636
04:52:35,360 --> 04:52:44,160
Um so electricity will be used for water
heating, any mechanical system and HVAC.

1637
04:52:41,760 --> 04:52:49,360
Uh further the ER requires the
restriction of non-essential diesel

1638
04:52:46,718 --> 04:52:54,400
truck idling to a maximum of two minutes
when uh state and local requirements

1639
04:52:51,600 --> 04:52:59,840
allow for 5 minutes. So it reduces the
idling that could occur with trucks.

1640
04:52:57,200 --> 04:53:05,600
In addition, the EI requires a
mitigation to provide on-site electric

1641
04:53:03,280 --> 04:53:11,200
truck charging stations sufficient to
serve any doiciled electric trucks. So

1642
04:53:08,320 --> 04:53:14,958
when electric trucks are utilized by any
um operator on the project site, there's

1643
04:53:13,200 --> 04:53:18,360
also a requirement for that truck
charging infrastructure.

1644
04:53:19,760 --> 04:53:26,300
Uh and that concludes the presentation.
Thank you so much.

1645
04:53:24,000 --> 04:53:29,520
» Thank you.
[Applause]

1646
04:53:28,160 --> 04:53:32,520
» With that, that brings us to public
comment.

1647
04:53:36,638 --> 04:53:43,320
We will start with David Palmer followed
by Linda Wiom.

1648
04:53:43,840 --> 04:53:49,920
» And just as a reminder folks, if you
could kindly state your uh name and

1649
04:53:47,920 --> 04:53:53,760
address and adhere to the threeminut uh
time frame. If someone has spoken an

1650
04:53:52,400 --> 04:53:56,958
opinion that's in line with yours, if
you can keep it brief so that we can get

1651
04:53:55,280 --> 04:54:01,840
through all the all the comments
tonight, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

1652
04:53:59,920 --> 04:54:06,878
Thank you, mayor, and council members
for allowing me to share a few thoughts.

1653
04:54:03,920 --> 04:54:12,480
Uh, I am, uh, representing the Palmer
family who owns the property that the

1654
04:54:09,280 --> 04:54:18,080
Pacific Oaks project is on, and we've
been at that property for a long time.

1655
04:54:14,798 --> 04:54:24,000
My grandfather and father bought that in
the early 1950s.

1656
04:54:20,240 --> 04:54:29,600
There was a article in the news bear uh
stating that the Chapman family and the

1657
04:54:27,360 --> 04:54:34,160
Palmer family were Orange County and LA
developers going to come in and develop.

1658
04:54:31,600 --> 04:54:40,240
It's taken a long time. We've been here
and been working diligently at this and

1659
04:54:37,040 --> 04:54:46,400
we appreciate four decades of effort
with the city and staff and all the

1660
04:54:43,360 --> 04:54:52,560
effort to help make something happen on
these properties. We know it's a hard

1661
04:54:48,480 --> 04:54:57,760
thing to do and we appreciate that. I
started early with my father in uh n in

1662
04:54:55,680 --> 04:55:03,520
the early years with the city
incorporation and helped persuade the uh

1663
04:55:00,798 --> 04:55:08,480
county to include these properties in
the city and the frontage road to help

1664
04:55:06,480 --> 04:55:14,080
increase revenue. That took some effort
and I've been on many committees through

1665
04:55:11,760 --> 04:55:20,160
uh decades with the city from the
redevelopment agency which is now not

1666
04:55:16,400 --> 04:55:25,520
existing to economic advisory county
flood control. We've worked extensively.

1667
04:55:23,600 --> 04:55:30,958
One of the most significant problems
we've had in trying numerous times with

1668
04:55:29,200 --> 04:55:37,040
this property through residential
developers, half a dozen through three

1669
04:55:34,160 --> 04:55:43,520
different retail commercial developers,
we always run in to the challenge of the

1670
04:55:41,200 --> 04:55:50,638
infrastructure. It far exceeds the
potential of the properties even to the

1671
04:55:46,718 --> 04:55:55,760
point of making the land valueless. And
this project, the Pacific Oats project,

1672
04:55:52,878 --> 04:56:03,360
is the one project that is truly going
to make uh an inro on that uh

1673
04:56:00,480 --> 04:56:08,560
development infrastructure issue, not
only to serve its project, but to open

1674
04:56:05,360 --> 04:56:15,840
it up. In the early 90s, my father and
brother Greg who uh was lead and and

1675
04:56:12,718 --> 04:56:21,200
brewed that pumpkin patch, we tried and
extensively to formulate a plan for an

1676
04:56:18,320 --> 04:56:25,600
environmental or a agriculture
entertainment facility on where the

1677
04:56:23,200 --> 04:56:32,798
pumpkin patch is and couldn't overcome
the infrastructure. This project opens

1678
04:56:29,200 --> 04:56:38,798
that up for the new owners of that with
water, sewer, and many infrastructure

1679
04:56:35,600 --> 04:56:43,680
things. We thank you for
the huge effort you do. I know it's hard

1680
04:56:41,520 --> 04:56:48,240
and there's a lot of complex issues and
we appreciate your time and we

1681
04:56:45,440 --> 04:56:55,280
appreciate the staff for decades of work
and on this project for many years and

1682
04:56:51,760 --> 04:57:01,200
uh we think this is good for the area.
It is uh the whole plan opens up an

1683
04:56:58,560 --> 04:57:06,920
opportunity for something to happen
there which will be good. Thank you. Uh

1684
04:57:10,798 --> 04:57:15,480
Linda Witham followed by Tim Watson.

1685
04:57:17,360 --> 04:57:24,798
Good evening. I had actually planned on
this to be in public comment but I

1686
04:57:22,080 --> 04:57:31,360
filled out my speaker
I understand. So bear with me. Um, Linda

1687
04:57:29,040 --> 04:57:36,718
within district one.
Several meetings ago, legacies were

1688
04:57:34,000 --> 04:57:42,400
mentioned. I was curious to what this
council's legacy would be. So I've

1689
04:57:39,120 --> 04:57:46,000
listed a few items to consider.
First,

1690
04:57:44,000 --> 04:57:51,360
you fired a longtime well-loved,
competent city manager installed.

1691
04:57:48,718 --> 04:57:55,920
Without proper vetting, an inexperienced
city manager whose main credentials

1692
04:57:54,080 --> 04:58:02,798
appeared to be his close ties with
developers because he was a friend.

1693
04:58:00,000 --> 04:58:06,798
He proceeded to award large city large
employee raises and add staff to hide

1694
04:58:04,878 --> 04:58:14,320
his incompetence.
You filed a lawsuit against your own

1695
04:58:09,520 --> 04:58:18,958
citizens really with taxpayer dollars.
against mayor opposition,

1696
04:58:16,638 --> 04:58:24,638
major opposition. You passed Sorrano
Estates, the wine country, and now

1697
04:58:21,600 --> 04:58:31,920
you're looking at warehouses.
A 22% tax rate raise was imposed on

1698
04:58:28,400 --> 04:58:38,080
citizens, followed by a 1% tax increase
because you said the city is broke. Then

1699
04:58:34,798 --> 04:58:43,600
another employee raise was given.
You removed many services and events

1700
04:58:40,718 --> 04:58:48,480
that we the citizens relied on and
loved.

1701
04:58:45,680 --> 04:58:54,958
While all this was occurring, we the
citizens were maligned, threatened with

1702
04:58:51,680 --> 04:59:00,400
jail, called domestic terrorists, thrown
out of council meetings, and personally

1703
04:58:58,160 --> 04:59:06,560
named in council meetings as well as the
press. If you didn't participate in

1704
04:59:03,120 --> 04:59:10,638
this, you didn't object.
I could continue, but you also took two

1705
04:59:08,958 --> 04:59:14,080
minutes of our public speaking time
away.

1706
04:59:12,160 --> 04:59:19,760
You'll be remembered mostly for
destroying the peace of our beautiful,

1707
04:59:15,920 --> 04:59:25,040
unique city, for destroying friendships,
dividing the city into hateful factions,

1708
04:59:22,958 --> 04:59:29,680
for taking away the reason we all moved
here. You know, I wouldn't want this

1709
04:59:27,840 --> 04:59:32,920
legacy.
Thank you.

1710
04:59:36,320 --> 04:59:41,400
Tim Watson followed by Abraham Issa.

1711
04:59:46,480 --> 04:59:53,120
Um, thank you, Mayor and Council
members. I'd like to speak to you from

1712
04:59:50,798 --> 05:00:00,160
two perspectives. as a homeowner on a
wildland edge and as a pediatrician

1713
04:59:56,240 --> 05:00:05,680
caring for 550 Ukipa children and500
children in the surrounding areas.

1714
05:00:02,718 --> 05:00:11,280
First, as a homeowner in the Oakmont
area across the street from the Hank Aki

1715
05:00:08,638 --> 05:00:16,000
Preserve, I know exactly what happens
when you build in fire zones. My

1716
05:00:14,080 --> 05:00:20,798
homeowner's insurance has been cancelled
four times, not because of anything I

1717
05:00:18,560 --> 05:00:26,000
did, but simply because I live near
wildland. I've spent tens of thousands

1718
05:00:23,760 --> 05:00:31,440
of dollars fire hardening my home to
keep coverage, replacing fireresistant

1719
05:00:28,320 --> 05:00:37,120
roof vents with even more fireresistant
roof vent versions. I have closed eaves,

1720
05:00:34,638 --> 05:00:42,560
hardy board on the outside and no
exterior wood, fire sprinklers, concrete

1721
05:00:39,520 --> 05:00:47,520
tiles, and I've had to add additional
rock perimeters, fireproof retractable

1722
05:00:45,040 --> 05:00:53,440
shades, and on my patios, and even blast
shields on my windows, all to have my

1723
05:00:50,320 --> 05:00:58,560
rates tripled. Without fire insurance,
you can't get home insurance. And the

1724
05:00:55,040 --> 05:01:04,560
Cal unfair plan won't even cover home
replacement. So, this is just to keep a

1725
05:01:01,440 --> 05:01:09,360
policy. Now, imagine telling a new Ukipa
family that they bought their dream home

1726
05:01:06,560 --> 05:01:14,160
only to learn it's in a very high fire
hazard severity zone where they can't

1727
05:01:12,560 --> 05:01:19,280
get insurance without paying the
extortion rates of the Cal unfair

1728
05:01:16,798 --> 05:01:23,200
program. It's not really a dream for
them. It's a trap and I think it's

1729
05:01:20,958 --> 05:01:29,680
cruel. Building homes here is going to
cause this problem to Ukipa residents.

1730
05:01:26,560 --> 05:01:35,040
Now, changing track. As a physician, I'm
very concerned on the behalf of my

1731
05:01:31,360 --> 05:01:40,080
patients of the fire and traffic danger
in this area. So, if you've been to the

1732
05:01:37,760 --> 05:01:44,560
pump pumpkin patch on Life Oak Canyon
and you know the gridlock, I drive this

1733
05:01:42,638 --> 05:01:48,798
every day.
And I really don't believe that this was

1734
05:01:46,718 --> 05:01:55,200
properly analyzed. But if you really
look at it, Live Oak Canyon dumps onto

1735
05:01:52,080 --> 05:01:59,200
San Timoteeo Canyon, which is two lanes,
and then that's Redlands Boulevard,

1736
05:01:57,360 --> 05:02:06,480
which is two lanes. That's how you get
out to the 60 in Marino Valley. And I've

1737
05:02:02,160 --> 05:02:13,040
had two friends die on that road, Dr.
Assad and Wesley Hunter. And what

1738
05:02:09,760 --> 05:02:18,080
happened? A slow truck. Exasperated
drivers trying to pass the slow truck.

1739
05:02:15,760 --> 05:02:22,958
And then the accident. I've had another
doctor friend who was nearly killed on

1740
05:02:20,638 --> 05:02:28,958
the same road. This is what happens when
you bring 1,600 extra trucks into the

1741
05:02:26,400 --> 05:02:33,360
area. And that's conservative. That's
the assumption with 1 million square

1742
05:02:30,718 --> 05:02:38,798
feet of warehouse space. But we're
bringing 2 million, I believe, in this

1743
05:02:35,680 --> 05:02:44,160
area. And I'm concerned about the fire
egress risk.

1744
05:02:41,120 --> 05:02:48,240
So what really happens when you have
that kind of gridlockike gridlock in the

1745
05:02:46,560 --> 05:02:52,878
event of a wildfire, there's a
bottleneck and people can't get out. So

1746
05:02:50,718 --> 05:02:58,958
for those individuals on city council
who have firefighting backgrounds, um I

1747
05:02:56,080 --> 05:03:03,040
train paramedics for Ben Clark training
center and I respect what you do, but

1748
05:03:01,280 --> 05:03:08,320
I'm baffled at any willingness to
improve of anything with the fire egress

1749
05:03:05,680 --> 05:03:12,638
risk like this. You know how burnovers
happen and I'd hate to have that happen

1750
05:03:10,320 --> 05:03:17,760
with you Kypa and turn it into another
paradise California. Thank you for your

1751
05:03:14,878 --> 05:03:21,280
time.
[Applause]

1752
05:03:19,120 --> 05:03:24,280
» Abraham Issa followed by Dr. Hansen
Wong.

1753
05:03:28,160 --> 05:03:36,000
» Good afternoon mayor uh council members.
My name is Abraham Issa. are resided at

1754
05:03:33,040 --> 05:03:39,840
32017 Live Canyon Road as part of the
project that's being considered in the

1755
05:03:37,920 --> 05:03:45,040
ordinance. Um, I really want to thank
you for the opportunity to urge you to

1756
05:03:42,160 --> 05:03:49,760
vote yes to this ordinance and not kick
the can down the road anymore. This has

1757
05:03:47,360 --> 05:03:54,080
been a really long-term project that's
been thought through with a lot of great

1758
05:03:51,840 --> 05:03:57,920
brains, a lot of great minds, a lot of
hard effort on the staff, and like

1759
05:03:56,320 --> 05:04:01,440
yourselves have looked at this project
over and over and send it back for

1760
05:03:59,360 --> 05:04:05,760
reconsideration and answers for
questions that weren't answered. The

1761
05:04:03,200 --> 05:04:10,718
bottom line is you hold the key tonight
to open up an amazing opportunity for

1762
05:04:08,000 --> 05:04:16,240
all the citizens of of Yukipa, not just
the property owners here. uh you're

1763
05:04:13,120 --> 05:04:20,638
opening up a a hurdle that was stuck for
years as you heard from previous

1764
05:04:18,000 --> 05:04:24,480
property owners. The development is
almost impossible and the city's facing,

1765
05:04:22,638 --> 05:04:29,200
let's face it, it's it's a budget issue
that we're having. There's only two ways

1766
05:04:27,280 --> 05:04:34,400
to solve a budget issue, right? You got
to either cut expenses or raise revenue.

1767
05:04:32,320 --> 05:04:37,840
Cutting expenses, we've already tried
that. And I think we've already heard

1768
05:04:36,240 --> 05:04:41,280
complaints that there's not enough
police officers, not enough

1769
05:04:39,120 --> 05:04:44,718
firefighters. I don't think the city can
operate any more efficient than it is.

1770
05:04:43,360 --> 05:04:49,040
So, we got to look at the other side of
the ledger and that is raising revenue.

1771
05:04:47,360 --> 05:04:54,878
Well, you could raise taxes. We did
that, right? 1%. What did it get us? Out

1772
05:04:52,878 --> 05:04:58,560
of fairness, it was known to be a
band-aid to get us to where we are

1773
05:04:56,480 --> 05:05:02,560
today. So, here we are today with the
same problem. We're still going to face

1774
05:05:00,080 --> 05:05:06,160
a budget issue. We're still and the city
will continue to face that budget

1775
05:05:04,000 --> 05:05:12,240
because originally it was designed with
commercial and industrial revenue to

1776
05:05:09,520 --> 05:05:16,878
operate the entire city efficiently with
a quality of life that residents really

1777
05:05:14,320 --> 05:05:21,280
deserve. So it hasn't happened because
of the infrastructure. So tonight is the

1778
05:05:19,360 --> 05:05:26,240
right time. This ordinance is the right
ordinance. And the biggest part of this

1779
05:05:24,560 --> 05:05:31,520
is they have the best partner you can
possibly have. It's the partner that's

1780
05:05:28,480 --> 05:05:36,400
coming up with their own money to listen
to the local residents to listen to you,

1781
05:05:34,080 --> 05:05:40,480
listen to the staff to try to create a
project that makes sense for everybody

1782
05:05:38,480 --> 05:05:44,798
way beyond the call of what other
developers would do. I mean, who would

1783
05:05:42,638 --> 05:05:48,160
move mountains to hide their buildings?
I've never heard of any developer who's

1784
05:05:46,320 --> 05:05:53,040
going to do that. That expense to do
that generates zero revenue for them.

1785
05:05:50,878 --> 05:05:56,958
They're doing that out of just respect
of the residents and respect of the

1786
05:05:54,958 --> 05:06:00,798
environment that we have. You have the
best partner. You have the right

1787
05:05:58,240 --> 05:06:04,880
ordinance and you have the right time. I
urge you to please vote yes to this.

1788
05:06:03,200 --> 05:06:12,520
Thank you.
[Applause]

1789
05:06:07,840 --> 05:06:12,520
Hansen Wong, followed by Louie Lopez.

1790
05:06:17,200 --> 05:06:23,120
» Good evening, city council. Hansen Wong
Kaipa.

1791
05:06:21,120 --> 05:06:30,958
So, there's a couple things I have
concern about. One is the fact that

1792
05:06:26,320 --> 05:06:36,320
you're combining two things that um
have different issues in some sense.

1793
05:06:33,600 --> 05:06:44,718
You're combining the reszoning in option
three with the property that the polymer

1794
05:06:40,080 --> 05:06:49,920
zone and the warehouse and um Pacific
Oaks has done a lot to mitigate some of

1795
05:06:47,200 --> 05:06:57,600
the concerns of the citizens
as well as the comments from other

1796
05:06:52,320 --> 05:07:04,000
people. But uh the zoning reszoning
includes a lot of other areas of u

1797
05:07:01,200 --> 05:07:14,400
warehouses that aren't hidden that have
no asurances of clean air and uh it just

1798
05:07:10,080 --> 05:07:19,040
added to it with so by having the two
together you're using Pacific Oaks as an

1799
05:07:17,040 --> 05:07:27,200
example and saying all the rest will be
just fine as well.

1800
05:07:22,480 --> 05:07:34,080
Um the other concern I have is the way
that um people look at things. Okay, if

1801
05:07:31,120 --> 05:07:41,280
we meet the minimum requirements, it
should be fine. But the lower freeway or

1802
05:07:38,080 --> 05:07:48,160
the freeway corridor area is one of the
worst air quality anywhere. Now, we're

1803
05:07:45,200 --> 05:07:54,000
permitted under the state or air quality
people to increase it by some amount and

1804
05:07:51,680 --> 05:07:59,840
the city planners have looked at it and
it's less than that amount. But if you

1805
05:07:57,280 --> 05:08:06,000
have the worst areas and you're adding
to that, that's doesn't speak well for

1806
05:08:03,440 --> 05:08:10,080
the low-income areas, senior areas,
whatever other people that are going to

1807
05:08:07,600 --> 05:08:16,160
live in this area that might have lung
problems.

1808
05:08:11,760 --> 05:08:21,680
looking at um the funding, you know, I
realized that um this particular project

1809
05:08:18,718 --> 05:08:27,120
by Pacific Oaks is bringing impact fees
and additional funding to help the

1810
05:08:23,440 --> 05:08:32,798
infrastructure and that will push along
the other things that are happening, but

1811
05:08:29,600 --> 05:08:38,240
it it's not just a low amount that's
being given. And so that must influence

1812
05:08:35,360 --> 05:08:42,878
the vote somehow in order to have the
additional funds in order for it to

1813
05:08:40,320 --> 05:08:51,680
function.
I don't see in the um environmental

1814
05:08:47,600 --> 05:08:57,760
review a real robust answer to the
wildlife corridor going along that area.

1815
05:08:54,480 --> 05:09:03,120
Uh I the last thing in my last 30 minute
seconds is the fact that there used to

1816
05:08:59,840 --> 05:09:07,680
be public land for parks and public
lands for a school. And I realized

1817
05:09:05,600 --> 05:09:11,520
there's openings in the school above.
But when you don't have a school and you

1818
05:09:09,680 --> 05:09:16,240
don't have parks, people are going to
have to drive up the city, you're going

1819
05:09:13,280 --> 05:09:19,920
to increase the traffic and you're going
to create problems. And in addition,

1820
05:09:18,320 --> 05:09:25,440
there are no school buses, so they have
to drive up and that will inconvenience

1821
05:09:22,878 --> 05:09:31,560
the families. So I hope you think about
how you can manage these other problems.

1822
05:09:28,320 --> 05:09:31,560
Thank you.

1823
05:09:32,000 --> 05:09:37,080
» Louis Lopez, followed by Zach Straers.

1824
05:09:37,280 --> 05:09:43,120
» Good evening, uh, honorable mayor, city
council members, staff, and community.

1825
05:09:41,440 --> 05:09:48,718
My name is Louis Lopez. I'm here tonight
representing the Iron Workers 433.

1826
05:09:46,000 --> 05:09:54,000
Um, and also want to publicly uh thank
the applicant for uh the early stages of

1827
05:09:52,320 --> 05:09:59,680
an agreement with the iron workers so
that we could participate um in

1828
05:09:57,440 --> 05:10:05,280
delivering the city a skilled and
trained with local hire uh ordinances on

1829
05:10:02,878 --> 05:10:09,760
that to the city. Uh trained and
skilled. Um the iron workers are an

1830
05:10:08,000 --> 05:10:14,878
accredited apprenticeship program
through the state of California. And the

1831
05:10:11,680 --> 05:10:19,040
way I like to um give an example is that
if anybody in here sends their their

1832
05:10:17,280 --> 05:10:24,878
kids or if anybody in here went to
college and received a four a minimum

1833
05:10:21,040 --> 05:10:30,240
four-year um degree in in whatever trade
or field that they go into uh after

1834
05:10:27,360 --> 05:10:36,878
completing school um with that degree I
would imagine that you know you should

1835
05:10:33,120 --> 05:10:40,798
be rewarded with a higher paying uh wage
and hopefully some benefits. That's the

1836
05:10:38,958 --> 05:10:44,320
way the iron workers work. We put our
apprentices uh through a four-year

1837
05:10:42,798 --> 05:10:48,878
apprenticeship program. Again, that's
accredited through the state of

1838
05:10:45,760 --> 05:10:52,798
California, which uh signifies that uh
they not only graduate as a journeyman,

1839
05:10:50,638 --> 05:10:59,600
but they have a stren trained and
skilled um title along with that. So

1840
05:10:56,080 --> 05:11:05,760
when the applicant um uh engages with
the local unions uh to perform uh in

1841
05:11:02,878 --> 05:11:10,878
order to deliver the city a well-built
uh project because I know in in some

1842
05:11:08,958 --> 05:11:14,958
places uh here in California if there
was an earthquake um I know many of us

1843
05:11:13,600 --> 05:11:19,680
don't think about it but we hope that
that structure that we're sitting in or

1844
05:11:16,718 --> 05:11:26,638
under uh withstands the forces of you
know um an earthquake. So, uh, having a

1845
05:11:23,840 --> 05:11:31,040
a a project that's well built with
trained and skilled workmanship is very

1846
05:11:29,200 --> 05:11:35,920
important. Like any of you that would
buy a house, you would expect that that

1847
05:11:33,280 --> 05:11:40,958
house can last and and uh provide for
your family. Um, another aspect I want

1848
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to um, highlight is that I'm a I'm a
Marine Corps veteran with two tours and

1849
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um, it's uh, partnerships that we have
through uh, helmets to hard hats that

1850
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actually helps us um, get those uh, men
and women coming back from serving our

1851
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country uh, a direct entry with the
apprenticeship program just like I did.

1852
05:12:00,560 --> 05:12:09,440
Um, and we find a lot of success in that
because with the military experience,

1853
05:12:06,000 --> 05:12:13,760
most of our military folks that come in
immediately with their military

1854
05:12:11,200 --> 05:12:19,680
discipline and and leadership skills uh
rise to the top. Um,

1855
05:12:16,798 --> 05:12:25,360
and so it gives me just in the last four
weeks, I've brought in three um veterans

1856
05:12:22,560 --> 05:12:30,798
that landed locally uh to our area. And
I'm very pr I'm I'm I don't want to say

1857
05:12:28,240 --> 05:12:35,280
proud privileged to be able to do that
and see families grow and strive. Uh

1858
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thank you and we are in support and ask
for your support uh with this project.

1859
05:12:37,280 --> 05:12:43,630
Thank you.
[Applause]

1860
05:12:44,480 --> 05:12:49,920
» Hi, good evening. Zach Strawers Care
California. Uh I'm not going to take a

1861
05:12:48,718 --> 05:12:53,440
lot of your time obviously. I've only
got three minutes of it anyways. But I I

1862
05:12:52,080 --> 05:12:58,240
just want to point out a few things that
really separate this project from a lot

1863
05:12:55,280 --> 05:13:03,680
of others uh with regards to scope and
um first of all I want to talk about

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infrastructure. So, Care California is a
company that really takes a look at the

1865
05:13:05,520 --> 05:13:12,638
potential impact of a project in a
community and not just with regards to

1866
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opportunities like Louis Lopez with the
iron workers talked about previously,

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05:13:14,718 --> 05:13:23,680
but by and large, what potential does a
project suggest for transformation in a

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05:13:20,878 --> 05:13:28,320
community? Or in other words, if we're
going to support it, how real are the

1869
05:13:26,240 --> 05:13:33,360
potential benefits? And one of the first
areas I look at personally is

1870
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infrastructure. And this project is
absolutely I mean I've as the suit

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05:13:36,718 --> 05:13:42,480
suggests I'm not a farmer at a pumpkin
patch. I look a lot at projects right.

1872
05:13:40,320 --> 05:13:47,200
So I'm I'm telling you that this project
with regards to infrastructure is

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incredible. This is without question
infrastructure that wouldn't get built

1874
05:13:48,480 --> 05:13:54,958
without this project. I was moved by the
testimony of the uh gentleman from the

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Palmer family. And he's not saying that
just to support the developer or to win

1876
05:13:56,560 --> 05:14:01,760
over people or to try to encourage
people's opinion to sway. I'm sure local

1877
05:14:00,160 --> 05:14:05,440
residents, as they always do, will have
certain concerns and those concerns are

1878
05:14:03,440 --> 05:14:09,120
valid. But this is by and large,
personal testimony, one of the best

1879
05:14:07,200 --> 05:14:13,360
infrastructure packages I've ever seen
for a project of this architectural

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05:14:10,878 --> 05:14:16,638
style. Uh it is easy to say that without
this project, this area probably

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05:14:15,200 --> 05:14:19,920
wouldn't get developed in terms of
infrastructure, maybe for decades, if at

1882
05:14:18,560 --> 05:14:23,600
all, based on what I hear local
residents saying. Second of all, is

1883
05:14:21,760 --> 05:14:27,120
jobs. Uh when we look at potential
impact, we're not just talking about uh

1884
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immediate with regards to construction
or even long-term with regards to

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05:14:28,718 --> 05:14:35,200
permanent jobs in the strata permanent
jobs that are offered, but with regards

1886
05:14:32,160 --> 05:14:38,798
to regional and generational impact. So
once again, whenever you bring in a

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05:14:36,878 --> 05:14:42,798
certain architectural style, it brings
in a certain tier of tenant. Those

1888
05:14:41,040 --> 05:14:47,680
tenants provide opportunities that have
the opportunity to impact a region. And

1889
05:14:45,600 --> 05:14:51,040
these opportunities based on what I see
and understand and based on what care

1890
05:14:49,200 --> 05:14:54,798
evaluates in this project are not
immediately or readily available. So

1891
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whenever tenants come in and look at an
opportunity and an offering like that,

1892
05:14:56,320 --> 05:15:02,718
the quality of the architecture and the
style of the design, not to mention all

1893
05:15:00,160 --> 05:15:06,080
of the environmental and all of the perk
add-ons that go on with this particular

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05:15:04,560 --> 05:15:10,480
project because of the due diligence of
the developer. You're talking about a

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05:15:07,680 --> 05:15:14,958
huge win, not a big win, a massive win.
again pointing out um that I've seen a

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05:15:13,280 --> 05:15:18,638
lot of projects get offered that try to
meet lead this or lead that. These guys

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05:15:17,360 --> 05:15:21,280
have done their homework. These guys
have really swung for the fence. It's

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05:15:20,000 --> 05:15:23,840
evident that they knew that there was a
certain amount to be honest of

1899
05:15:22,638 --> 05:15:26,080
opposition maybe they thought they were
going to felt because there are a lot of

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05:15:24,878 --> 05:15:29,440
people that don't want anything built no
matter what it is, no matter what the

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05:15:27,600 --> 05:15:33,600
potential benefit is. These guys did
their homework. They made sure that they

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05:15:31,280 --> 05:15:37,360
were not standing on things that were
puffed up to try to make their offering

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05:15:35,600 --> 05:15:41,280
look good. These guys stood on a
well-built project for these three

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05:15:39,440 --> 05:15:45,160
reasons. Care California ask that you
support this project with a yes vote

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tonight. Thank you and God bless you.
[Applause]

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Nicole Padron followed by Rain Mendoza.

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Good evening again. My name is Nicole
Padron. I live on Brushy Hollow Drive in

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05:16:07,680 --> 05:16:14,958
the city of Ukipa. Honorable mayor,
council members, and city staff, thank

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05:16:13,200 --> 05:16:20,400
you for the opportunity to comment on
the freeway corridor specific plan

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update and Pacific Oaks Commerce Center.
My husband and I purchased our home in

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Ukipa six years ago, and in the last
four years, we've had three boys who

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love playing outside.
We moved to Ukipa from Riverside, and

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the safe and rural nature of the city is
what drew us in.

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We have serious concerns with the
revised final supplemental EIR and the

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extreme change of proposed land uses
from lowdensity residential with open

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05:16:47,360 --> 05:16:54,240
space and a freeway commercial shopping
center to mega warehouses with

1917
05:16:52,320 --> 05:17:01,760
residential areas right next door to
warehouses and limited open space. open

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space that is not going to be untouched
that it can can apparently be graded to

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05:17:03,600 --> 05:17:10,798
allow the developers to maximize their
projects.

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According to the EIR, the proposed
project cons continues to result in

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05:17:13,040 --> 05:17:20,638
significant environmental impacts for
air quality, greenhouse gases and noise

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05:17:17,760 --> 05:17:24,400
and this is unacceptable.
Per counten virus green 4.0 I know the

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05:17:23,200 --> 05:17:29,200
community surrounding the freeway
corridor specific plan, including the

1924
05:17:26,560 --> 05:17:33,360
community that I live in, which is less
than a mile from the proposed business

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05:17:30,718 --> 05:17:37,920
park areas, is already heavily burdened
by air pollution. The census track that

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05:17:36,080 --> 05:17:42,718
I live in, for example, ranks worse than
100% of the rest of the state in ozone,

1927
05:17:40,878 --> 05:17:50,400
worse than 50% of the rest of the state
for particulate matter 2.5, 82% worse

1928
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for diesel particulate matter, and 67%
worse for traffic. This is concerning to

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me as a mother and as a resident of this
community um that according to the

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05:17:58,878 --> 05:18:05,840
general plan values the health, safety,
and well-being of its residents and

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05:18:03,280 --> 05:18:11,120
small town rural character and open
space and quality jobs. The proposed

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05:18:09,040 --> 05:18:16,240
freeway corridor specific plan update
and Pacific Oaks Comish Center fails on

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05:18:13,600 --> 05:18:20,400
all of these values. Please don't
sacrifice the beauty and character of

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the city and health of its residents for
these mega warehouses.

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05:18:23,120 --> 05:18:30,798
We can find a better way for our future
generations.

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And um please think of our children.
Thank you for your leadership and

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05:18:32,560 --> 05:18:35,560
consideration.

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Rain Mendoza followed by Rob Ramos.

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Okay. Um, hi, my name is Ray Mendoza. I
am from District 4 in Ukipa. So, um,

1940
05:19:06,160 --> 05:19:14,638
this has been an issue for a while and
I've been following it as much as I can

1941
05:19:10,240 --> 05:19:19,280
and I have been, um, I think there are
pros and cons and I have hopes and

1942
05:19:16,638 --> 05:19:23,520
doubts for this sort of project. So, I
think the pros of what I know about this

1943
05:19:21,840 --> 05:19:27,840
is I really like the idea of these
buildings being clean energy and the

1944
05:19:26,080 --> 05:19:32,798
energy being used responsibly. I like
the idea of more jobs and decent jobs.

1945
05:19:30,878 --> 05:19:38,320
Um, I think we do need more housing in
UKIPA. My cons for this, my doubts for

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05:19:35,920 --> 05:19:46,000
this um
project is that uh the safety and fire

1947
05:19:41,200 --> 05:19:51,840
risk hazards. Also, we need to consider
future environmental hazards such as

1948
05:19:48,160 --> 05:20:00,958
flooding and heat waves and earthquakes
and um who knows what else. I also do

1949
05:19:56,400 --> 05:20:07,120
not like that this would be encouraging
further consumerism. I think we do need

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05:20:03,280 --> 05:20:14,718
more services and we do need
jobs here. But I don't like these big

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05:20:10,638 --> 05:20:19,200
brand corporate
corporations, these corporations coming

1952
05:20:16,718 --> 05:20:23,600
into Ukipa. Um, so I do like the clean
energy. I think there's a lot of

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05:20:21,600 --> 05:20:28,560
forethought and attention and care put
into how we can make this the most

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05:20:25,680 --> 05:20:34,240
environmentally friendly. But by nature
of it being a a corporate project, we

1955
05:20:32,320 --> 05:20:38,080
don't think about the global shipping
and the transportation, the particulate

1956
05:20:36,240 --> 05:20:44,560
matter
and I think that's something we should

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05:20:40,000 --> 05:20:50,638
look at more um value more closely. Um
so my doubts are the environmental

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05:20:46,878 --> 05:20:56,878
impact being a net positive and how soon
it would be a net positive if at all. Um

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05:20:54,400 --> 05:21:02,480
public health is related to this. How
close are the residential areas to this

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05:20:59,360 --> 05:21:06,160
especially kids um in their schools in
their homes.

1961
05:21:04,320 --> 05:21:10,638
We have
in San Bernardino County, Riverside

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05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:19,600
County, we are the top worst counties in
the entire nation for air pollution, for

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05:21:14,718 --> 05:21:25,920
asthma rates, for lung cancers, all that
related bad bad stuff. Okay. Well, um

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05:21:23,360 --> 05:21:30,160
lastly, I would like to have a great job
here in Ukipa, but are we just going to

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05:21:27,920 --> 05:21:35,280
have more commuters or actual residents
working in Ukipa as well as living here?

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05:21:33,280 --> 05:21:40,718
My hopes is that this would be a great
example to

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05:21:37,680 --> 05:21:45,840
future projects in
clean energy sustainability

1968
05:21:43,520 --> 05:21:51,200
uh development
but it is also essentially just

1969
05:21:48,638 --> 05:21:56,638
corporate. So I will leave the decision
to you and um to the people who have the

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05:21:54,878 --> 05:22:00,840
expertise and the attention but these
are my thoughts. Thank you,

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05:22:00,958 --> 05:22:05,638
» Rob Ramos, followed by Kevin Mskin.

1972
05:22:10,638 --> 05:22:18,400
» Good evening, mayor, council members. My
name is Robert Ramos representing the

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05:22:14,718 --> 05:22:21,840
iron workers of local 416. Over 2,300
members, many of them that live here in

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05:22:20,320 --> 05:22:27,840
Yakipa.
I would like to start off with saying

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05:22:23,760 --> 05:22:31,040
this job has innovation and opportunity.
Innovation, they're looking ahead.

1976
05:22:29,200 --> 05:22:35,120
They're looking vehicle charging
stations, solar, big rig charging

1977
05:22:33,680 --> 05:22:41,440
stations where when they start rolling
out more on the assembly line,

1978
05:22:38,638 --> 05:22:46,000
95 acres of green acres, right? That's
not going to be touched separate away

1979
05:22:44,000 --> 05:22:52,000
from the industrial warehousing or
commercial use, right? The opportunity

1980
05:22:49,040 --> 05:22:54,958
is that this developer, like my brother
Louie Lopez said, came to an agreement

1981
05:22:53,520 --> 05:22:59,840
with the iron workers that we're going
to be able to get local hire coming out

1982
05:22:57,440 --> 05:23:03,040
of Ukipa.
Earn the money where you're going to

1983
05:23:01,600 --> 05:23:07,200
spend it. And that's here in the city of
Yakipa, right? For your apprentichip

1984
05:23:05,680 --> 05:23:11,040
program. We get to use some of our young
brothers coming up, showing them the

1985
05:23:09,360 --> 05:23:14,798
crafts, building them, showing them how
to build quality craftsmanship in every

1986
05:23:13,120 --> 05:23:19,040
building that's going to go up here in
Yakypa. Right. That's the opportunity

1987
05:23:17,760 --> 05:23:23,280
that you guys are going to prevent.
Opportunity also is you're going to have

1988
05:23:21,840 --> 05:23:27,040
those jobs that they're going to be
careers, long-term careers for the

1989
05:23:24,958 --> 05:23:31,760
residents here. So overall, this
project's a win. It's it's a win for the

1990
05:23:29,600 --> 05:23:35,680
whole city of Yakypa. It's it's
innovation. You're looking towards the

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05:23:33,200 --> 05:23:39,840
future and you're acting on the green
green energy.

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Um so I'm here tonight asking for your
yes vote tonight. Thank you very much,

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05:23:46,000 --> 05:23:50,760
» Kevin Mskin. Followed by Joanne Lassard.

1994
05:23:51,200 --> 05:23:58,080
» Honorable City Council Kevin Miskin,
District 1. Appreciate the opportunity

1995
05:23:55,760 --> 05:24:02,000
to be here this evening. First of all, I
just want to say uh that I appreciate

1996
05:24:00,400 --> 05:24:07,600
the efforts that have been made by the
Palmer family and also by Pacific Oaks

1997
05:24:04,320 --> 05:24:12,000
to create a project that uh one is not
very popular, but uh they've done the

1998
05:24:09,760 --> 05:24:16,400
very best I think they can to to try and
make it as palpable as possible. Uh

1999
05:24:15,040 --> 05:24:21,120
we've heard some of the concerns that
have been expressed this evening. I'd

2000
05:24:17,840 --> 05:24:26,638
like to uh just address one issue that's
missing from the plan. uh in particular

2001
05:24:24,160 --> 05:24:32,480
the uh business park. You know, in this
last goaround, we went from well in the

2002
05:24:29,200 --> 05:24:38,000
2008 plan, we went from 549 acres of
open space. Then in the 2024 plan, we

2003
05:24:35,680 --> 05:24:43,680
went to 498. And in this current plan,
it's been reduced again to 403 acres of

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05:24:41,120 --> 05:24:47,360
open space, which is a decrease of about
27%.

2005
05:24:45,280 --> 05:24:52,080
But what I really wanted to address here
was the lack of uh public facilities. Uh

2006
05:24:50,480 --> 05:24:56,798
there were in the original plan there
were 45 acres that were set aside for

2007
05:24:54,400 --> 05:25:01,440
public facilities. I have a real concern
and it goes to uh council member Judy

2008
05:24:59,040 --> 05:25:06,320
Walssey's comment earlier this evening
in that uh if you think of the youth and

2009
05:25:03,840 --> 05:25:10,400
the 7,000 approximately 7,000 residents
that will be living south of the

2010
05:25:07,840 --> 05:25:14,718
freeway. All of those children to go to
school will be riding their bikes, their

2011
05:25:12,320 --> 05:25:19,120
ebikes apparently now they're also
riding uh many uh many bikes also. But

2012
05:25:17,920 --> 05:25:22,320
they're going to be going over the
freeway where all this traffic is going

2013
05:25:20,878 --> 05:25:26,878
to be coming in, particularly these
diesel trucks. But to get to the parks

2014
05:25:25,280 --> 05:25:30,400
or any of the schools, they've got to
cross the freeway. When they're going to

2015
05:25:28,320 --> 05:25:33,840
be coming home in the evenings, they've
got to go back over the freeways at the

2016
05:25:32,080 --> 05:25:36,560
same time in the early afternoon when
when the traffic is going to be

2017
05:25:35,280 --> 05:25:41,840
greatest, at least with the diesel
trucks in the early afternoon. I'd like

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05:25:39,440 --> 05:25:46,080
the council to reconsider uh the need
for public facilities. I think we need

2019
05:25:43,520 --> 05:25:50,798
to put parks south of the freeway in
order to address and keep the kids out

2020
05:25:49,120 --> 05:25:55,440
of the traffic crossing the freeways
back and forth and to make sure that we

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05:25:52,958 --> 05:26:01,798
have uh uh public facilities for those
kids on the south side of the freeway.

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05:25:58,560 --> 05:26:01,798
Thank you.

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05:26:02,040 --> 05:26:07,878
[Applause]
Joanne Lassard.

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05:26:11,200 --> 05:26:21,280
Honorable council members, um I live in
Redlands because and I'm here because

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05:26:17,520 --> 05:26:26,480
Redlands is much more impacted uh by
this development, by this plan than is

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05:26:24,320 --> 05:26:30,000
Ukipa.
Um

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05:26:28,400 --> 05:26:34,638
there are very few people here this
evening but

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05:26:32,718 --> 05:26:41,360
when the problems that have been
forecast actually happen with uh traffic

2029
05:26:39,680 --> 05:26:48,320
congestion
fire problems

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05:26:43,360 --> 05:26:54,560
uh the water uh natural waterways and
the air pollution when they actually

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05:26:50,878 --> 05:27:02,320
happen which they will do um this
council is not going to look quite are

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05:26:56,400 --> 05:27:07,120
good and many people will be unhappy
uh and re remember this decision

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05:27:05,520 --> 05:27:13,040
tonight.
My other question is whether

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05:27:10,080 --> 05:27:21,360
or not any alternatives have been
considered that benefit the land owners

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05:27:17,760 --> 05:27:29,680
and benefit the city of Ukipa.
Uh it might be

2036
05:27:24,480 --> 05:27:34,480
good to have uh a uh town hall meeting
and and and

2037
05:27:31,680 --> 05:27:40,240
uh people from e economic development
agencies or business enterprises just to

2038
05:27:38,160 --> 05:27:46,638
look if there are any alternatives that
would be more satisfactory both to the

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05:27:42,878 --> 05:27:52,240
land owners and to the finances of the
city of Ukipa.

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So, um, I encourage you to consider
these things. Thank you.

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05:27:57,840 --> 05:28:01,558
» We have no more comments.

2042
05:28:03,360 --> 05:28:10,400
» Thank you, ma'am.
>> Uh, does the applicant want a rebuttal

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05:28:08,320 --> 05:28:13,718
to any of the statements that were made
by the public?

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05:28:18,400 --> 05:28:24,638
Sorry, I should have sat closer. Um, you
know, no, we really appreciate

2045
05:28:21,920 --> 05:28:28,400
everyone's comments, even for or against
it. I think that's what this forum is

2046
05:28:26,160 --> 05:28:33,040
all about. Um, we respect it. I'm happy
to respond to anything you guys wanted

2047
05:28:31,360 --> 05:28:36,798
uh to, but I don't want to take up more
of your time. So, I just wanted you to

2048
05:28:34,638 --> 05:28:41,360
know I'm available
and I appreciate how difficult these

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05:28:39,280 --> 05:28:45,200
decisions are. Um, and so if there's
anything else I can answer, um, please

2050
05:28:43,360 --> 05:28:48,798
don't hesitate to ask me.
>> Thank you, sir.

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05:28:46,080 --> 05:28:52,080
» Thank you. to our city staff. Do we have
anybody on our uh environmental team

2052
05:28:50,638 --> 05:28:55,360
that wants to respond to any of the
public comments?

2053
05:28:53,040 --> 05:29:00,320
» Yeah, we have Nicole Vermillion with
Place Works that can help um kind of

2054
05:28:57,760 --> 05:29:04,878
address anything. I did want to also add
um just in response to one of the public

2055
05:29:02,400 --> 05:29:10,000
comments about lack of public facilities
or parks. Um in this specific plan, it

2056
05:29:07,520 --> 05:29:13,840
does include standards for allowing
public facilities. So, it is something

2057
05:29:11,680 --> 05:29:17,680
that is allowed in all the districts.
And then there's also residential

2058
05:29:15,360 --> 05:29:21,520
standards that require parts. Um, and so
per, you know, so many houses or what

2059
05:29:19,760 --> 05:29:26,080
types of developments those are required
to provide parts to. So it's not absent.

2060
05:29:23,520 --> 05:29:30,320
It it just doesn't have a kind of more
regional city kind of owned facility,

2061
05:29:28,558 --> 05:29:34,000
but there's opportunities throughout the
plan area to provide those and it is a

2062
05:29:32,400 --> 05:29:38,558
requirement for the developer to pay for
that as they build housing.

2063
05:29:37,040 --> 05:29:42,718
» Good evening counselors. My name is
Nicole Vermillion. I'm with police works

2064
05:29:40,480 --> 05:29:48,240
and I prepared the environmental impact
report that you're that's up for review

2065
05:29:45,280 --> 05:29:53,360
tonight and I heard a lot of comments
about air quality and trucks and health

2066
05:29:51,600 --> 05:30:00,638
risks. So, I wanted to respond to those
comments first. Um, the proposed project

2067
05:29:56,798 --> 05:30:06,878
would generate a total of
2,165

2068
05:30:03,600 --> 05:30:13,600
truck trips. That's about 183 trucks per
day. So when we analyze the impacts of

2069
05:30:10,160 --> 05:30:17,520
that, we analyzed it from uh baseline
conditions. So existing conditions. This

2070
05:30:15,200 --> 05:30:22,320
the one thing that I wanted to point out
because we did the subsequent EI. So in

2071
05:30:20,240 --> 05:30:26,718
other words, our baseline is normally
the approved project. But because the

2072
05:30:24,320 --> 05:30:32,320
approved project was mostly commercial
and residential and did not necessarily

2073
05:30:29,280 --> 05:30:38,000
consider the trucks, the health risk um
considered all 2,000 plus truck trips.

2074
05:30:35,760 --> 05:30:44,558
It was also conservative because we
considered um cumulative health risk.

2075
05:30:41,040 --> 05:30:48,718
And so right now uh we are part of I'm
part of the South Coast Air Quality

2076
05:30:46,558 --> 05:30:53,200
Management District working group. The
South Coast Air Quality Management

2077
05:30:50,240 --> 05:31:00,160
District reached out to environmental
organizations and other key stakeholders

2078
05:30:56,000 --> 05:31:05,920
to consider cumulative impacts uh for
the health risk thresholds that consider

2079
05:31:02,718 --> 05:31:11,680
things like background risks like the um
Calvin virus screen background risk as

2080
05:31:08,798 --> 05:31:17,520
well as mates. makes this a multiple air
toxic exposure study that considers um

2081
05:31:14,958 --> 05:31:21,280
diesel particullet and other air toxic
contaminants um and concentrations

2082
05:31:19,840 --> 05:31:26,000
throughout the entire South Coast Air
Quality Management District region. What

2083
05:31:22,958 --> 05:31:30,080
that means for you is that we um
considered a more stringent health risk

2084
05:31:28,480 --> 05:31:33,840
standard when we evaluated the
environmental impacts from the trucks

2085
05:31:31,520 --> 05:31:39,440
that considers not only project impacts
but is but the project's contribution to

2086
05:31:36,558 --> 05:31:44,798
cumulative health risk in the region. Um
I think I heard some other comments

2087
05:31:41,120 --> 05:31:50,558
about fire hazards. Um the proposed we
did not identify any significant

2088
05:31:46,638 --> 05:31:56,000
unavoidable impacts to fire to wildfire
risk based on um the current based on

2089
05:31:53,760 --> 05:32:03,360
the comparison of the proposed plan to
the propu approved plan as well as

2090
05:31:59,280 --> 05:32:06,080
updated regulations and fire codes um as
well as the additional hardening that

2091
05:32:04,798 --> 05:32:10,320
would be done as part of the approved
project compared to the proposed

2092
05:32:07,440 --> 05:32:16,920
project. And I think that those were the
major comments I have or if there's any

2093
05:32:12,240 --> 05:32:16,920
other questions, please let me know.

2094
05:32:22,480 --> 05:32:27,520
» Any other question?
>> If there's no other questions, staff

2095
05:32:25,920 --> 05:32:30,798
would like to request if we could take a
break. Um,

2096
05:32:28,958 --> 05:32:35,040
» a short recess. Short recess.
>> Let's take a five minute recess.

2097
05:32:33,200 --> 05:32:38,600
» Can you announce the time, sir?
>> The time is

2098
05:32:40,638 --> 05:32:47,240
8:46.
>> Thank you. And for the record, uh, the

2099
05:32:43,280 --> 05:32:47,240
public hearing is still open.

2100
05:46:17,440 --> 05:46:20,600
I said

2101
05:46:21,600 --> 05:46:24,600
what's

2102
05:46:43,120 --> 05:46:46,520
You need something.

2103
05:47:15,680 --> 05:47:23,840
Okay, we are back from our little short
recess. Time is 9 o'clock.

2104
05:47:22,080 --> 05:47:28,160
And
>> if I could just make a note uh for the

2105
05:47:25,600 --> 05:47:32,160
for the record uh the staff report uh
incorrectly identifies the resolution

2106
05:47:30,000 --> 05:47:36,798
that the council uh is being asked to
approve as 2024-9.

2107
05:47:34,320 --> 05:47:41,120
That's the resolution from last year
when the freeway corridor specific plan

2108
05:47:38,718 --> 05:47:46,558
was before the city council. Uh the
correct resolution is 2025-54.

2109
05:47:44,558 --> 05:47:50,718
Uh just to be safe, we've printed out
copies of that, distributed to the

2110
05:47:47,840 --> 05:47:53,680
council, put it in the back. Uh but it's
essentially the same which is approving

2111
05:47:52,160 --> 05:47:59,040
the freeway corridor specific plan and
the and the uh subsequent E. Thank you.

2112
05:47:56,718 --> 05:48:02,000
» All right. Copy. Thank you.
>> Okay. That uh concludes the public

2113
05:48:00,878 --> 05:48:10,160
hearing. So we'll close the public
hearing. It is 901 and we'll move back

2114
05:48:05,600 --> 05:48:15,000
to the dis for council discussion.
Councilman Beaver, you still with us?

2115
05:48:15,520 --> 05:48:22,480
» I am.
>> Would you like to go first?

2116
05:48:20,160 --> 05:48:27,440
I think it was a well uh put together
presentation. Um

2117
05:48:25,360 --> 05:48:30,718
I have uh no other comments nor
questions.

2118
05:48:29,120 --> 05:48:34,878
» Okay.
Mayor Proton.

2119
05:48:32,160 --> 05:48:41,200
» Well, I
I've been digging into this for a long

2120
05:48:36,558 --> 05:48:44,958
time and and uh you know, I uh started
writing things down and trying to make

2121
05:48:42,798 --> 05:48:48,718
sense of it and stuff. And so um I'm
going to read this little statement.

2122
05:48:46,240 --> 05:48:52,878
Hopefully you guys uh can understand
where I'm coming from. The proposed

2123
05:48:51,120 --> 05:48:57,120
freeway quarter specific plan was
conceived and developed solely to pro

2124
05:48:55,360 --> 05:49:01,840
provide for the development of the two
massive warehouse buildings and nothing

2125
05:48:58,958 --> 05:49:06,400
more. All zoning changes in the quarter
plan were made to accommodate the

2126
05:49:04,000 --> 05:49:10,240
warehouses developments. The vast
majority of other landowners are

2127
05:49:08,240 --> 05:49:15,840
expected to settle for whatever is left
in the zoning wise to facilitate the

2128
05:49:12,878 --> 05:49:20,798
warehouses. All reszoning is for the
benefit of the warehouses. All

2129
05:49:18,160 --> 05:49:24,480
improvements are for the development of
the warehouses. And all the

2130
05:49:22,240 --> 05:49:28,558
infrastructure improvements are for the
benefit of the warehouses.

2131
05:49:26,878 --> 05:49:32,160
We've been repeatedly told by the
developer and members of the staff, both

2132
05:49:30,320 --> 05:49:38,558
private and public meetings, that the
warehouses in the freeway quarter plan

2133
05:49:34,718 --> 05:49:44,000
provide 38 million in needed
infrastructure for the city of Ukipa.

2134
05:49:41,120 --> 05:49:49,520
Despite repeatedly, excuse me, despite
repeatedly uh request, I've never seen a

2135
05:49:46,798 --> 05:49:54,480
breakdown of what that infrastructure
consists of. Just $38 million worth of

2136
05:49:52,320 --> 05:49:59,280
infrastructure. Does that concern
anyone?

2137
05:49:56,480 --> 05:50:04,160
We deal with budgets and review numbers
as a council at most every meeting, but

2138
05:50:01,920 --> 05:50:09,280
we have never been provided a breakdown
for what that $38 million includes. In

2139
05:50:07,600 --> 05:50:13,600
multiple
presentations up until tonight, we've

2140
05:50:11,760 --> 05:50:20,558
been told that the infrastructure was
4.3 uh miles of water line. In response

2141
05:50:17,840 --> 05:50:27,040
to my question regarding the $38 million
water line and potential alternatives,

2142
05:50:23,920 --> 05:50:32,160
both the developer and the staff stated
in council meetings that if the same

2143
05:50:29,520 --> 05:50:36,638
infrastructure improvements proposed by
the developer had to be completed by the

2144
05:50:34,798 --> 05:50:42,240
cities, it would cost two to three times
more. Tonight, despite previous claims

2145
05:50:40,000 --> 05:50:46,638
by both staff and the developer that the
$38 million infrastructure improvements

2146
05:50:44,400 --> 05:50:52,000
for the water main to benefit future
developments, we're now told the $38

2147
05:50:49,200 --> 05:50:56,080
million includes on-site improvements,
connection fees, and other expenses

2148
05:50:54,160 --> 05:51:03,280
related to solely for the development of
the warehouses. Here's some facts that

2149
05:50:59,280 --> 05:51:06,718
are related to the infrastructure that
related to the infrastructure as it

2150
05:51:04,958 --> 05:51:13,920
relates to potential development within
the freeway quarter specific plan.

2151
05:51:10,320 --> 05:51:19,200
Number one, the warehouses development
would provide no additional waste water

2152
05:51:16,958 --> 05:51:24,320
improvements within the city within the
freeway quarter specific plan that would

2153
05:51:21,440 --> 05:51:30,718
benefit the development any additional
projects. no street improvements than

2154
05:51:27,840 --> 05:51:34,878
other than the bridge that those
improvements immediately in front of the

2155
05:51:32,558 --> 05:51:39,120
warehouses properties would be
constructive on live oak canyon road or

2156
05:51:37,120 --> 05:51:46,240
within the freeway quarter specific plan
boundaries only benefactor beneic excuse

2157
05:51:43,280 --> 05:51:50,798
me the only benefactor of these
improvements are the plant warehouse

2158
05:51:48,638 --> 05:51:56,240
developments prior to live oak canyon
entering to the city of Redlands and and

2159
05:51:53,440 --> 05:52:01,360
further down Riverside
County. The freeway quarter specific

2160
05:51:58,558 --> 05:52:05,760
plan does not provide any widening on
the north side of the Live Oak Canyon

2161
05:52:03,440 --> 05:52:11,040
Road between the frontage road and the
proposed new bridge. The pumpkin patch

2162
05:52:08,878 --> 05:52:15,680
has been able to get their traffic
problem under control. So now add all

2163
05:52:13,760 --> 05:52:21,920
that truck traffic from the proposed
warehouses. What a disaster.

2164
05:52:18,878 --> 05:52:26,878
Number three, Edison infrastructure
already exists underground at the

2165
05:52:23,920 --> 05:52:32,080
Robinson's property at Live Oak Canyon
Road and the Outer Highway. Any proposed

2166
05:52:29,920 --> 05:52:37,520
Edison infrastructure by the warehouse
builder would solely benefit the

2167
05:52:34,400 --> 05:52:43,040
warehouse project. relocation of the any
existing overhead lines ex uh Edison

2168
05:52:40,638 --> 05:52:48,958
lines and poles on the north side of
Live Oak Road fronting

2169
05:52:46,160 --> 05:52:55,360
the Robinson's Trust property is not
contemplated in the freeway course plan

2170
05:52:52,320 --> 05:52:59,360
re excuse me relocation of these Edison
structures will be required at a later

2171
05:52:57,840 --> 05:53:04,878
date with an estimated of several
million dollars

2172
05:53:01,200 --> 05:53:10,240
number four fiber optic
and communication existing on live oak

2173
05:53:07,360 --> 05:53:15,120
canyon road in the same area as where
Edison is.

2174
05:53:12,798 --> 05:53:20,240
Any infrastructure improvements to fiber
optic communication services is only for

2175
05:53:17,680 --> 05:53:26,320
the benefit of the warehouses, city of
Redlands and Riverside County residents

2176
05:53:22,878 --> 05:53:30,718
developments. Number five,
4.3 miles of domestic water

2177
05:53:28,558 --> 05:53:35,200
infrastructure.
Western Heights Water District currently

2178
05:53:32,718 --> 05:53:39,120
services all businesses and homes on the
freeway frontage road. The Robinson's

2179
05:53:37,360 --> 05:53:43,760
Trust properties located on the corner
of Live Oak Canyon Road and the Frontage

2180
05:53:41,600 --> 05:53:48,480
Road could potentially be serviced by
Western Heights Water with much less

2181
05:53:45,840 --> 05:53:53,200
expensive infrastructure improvements.
The 4.3

2182
05:53:50,400 --> 05:53:58,480
miles of proposed domestic improvements
make no prevention for future

2183
05:53:56,400 --> 05:54:02,958
developments
provisions, I'm sorry, makes no pro

2184
05:54:00,958 --> 05:54:07,840
provisions for future developments, any
connections. She said the 4.3

2185
05:54:05,760 --> 05:54:13,040
infrastructure for any development would
be subject to a fair share agreement,

2186
05:54:10,480 --> 05:54:18,878
connection fees, and potentially
additional infrastructure fees

2187
05:54:15,760 --> 05:54:23,520
from the Yuka Valley Water District.
The Robinson Family Trust holds the

2188
05:54:21,200 --> 05:54:28,958
majority of the land with the pro,
excuse me, with the proposed freeway

2189
05:54:25,200 --> 05:54:34,240
quarter uh plan is completely
disenfranchised by this plan. staff has

2190
05:54:32,000 --> 05:54:38,718
refused to engage in any meaningful
discussions with the Robinson's Trust

2191
05:54:36,000 --> 05:54:44,878
despite directions from Mayor Beaver and
council last year to engage in all

2192
05:54:42,400 --> 05:54:50,080
affected landowners to obtain their
support for the freeway course plan.

2193
05:54:48,160 --> 05:54:55,120
This proposed freeway quarter plan
provides virtually no infrastructure

2194
05:54:52,320 --> 05:55:00,878
improvements to the to facilitate
development of the Robinson's Family

2195
05:54:57,120 --> 05:55:05,040
Trust lands. Again, these improvements
to the infrastructure were only

2196
05:55:03,360 --> 05:55:09,120
conceived for the benefits of the
warehouse project and domestic water

2197
05:55:07,440 --> 05:55:13,280
infrastructure for the f future
developments in Calama and Riverside

2198
05:55:11,360 --> 05:55:17,520
County.
We as a council

2199
05:55:15,520 --> 05:55:21,200
and the citizens of Yukipa have been
repeatedly misled by the warehouse

2200
05:55:19,440 --> 05:55:27,120
developer and the city staff regarding
this true value of of proposed

2201
05:55:24,638 --> 05:55:32,638
infrastructure improvements. And the
same has been greatly exaggerated in

2202
05:55:30,160 --> 05:55:37,520
effort to obtain approval for both the
warehouses project and the freeway

2203
05:55:34,958 --> 05:55:42,878
quarter specific plan. The freeway
quarter plan has proposed

2204
05:55:40,480 --> 05:55:47,040
as proposed would empower the staff to
make all future decision within the

2205
05:55:44,718 --> 05:55:51,520
freeway quarter plan and for future
developments for any projects without

2206
05:55:48,798 --> 05:55:56,480
the oversight of either the comm the
planning commission or the city council.

2207
05:55:54,160 --> 05:56:00,120
That's concern. That is pretty
concerning to me.

2208
05:56:01,120 --> 05:56:08,400
It is very necessary under our system of
governments that the elected officials

2209
05:56:05,600 --> 05:56:14,160
are allowed the opportunity to review
proposed projects for our constituents.

2210
05:56:11,440 --> 05:56:19,200
It is very concerning to excuse me to me
that we had multiple ordinances and now

2211
05:56:16,798 --> 05:56:24,718
freeway quarter specific plan that seek
to limit the oversight of the elected

2212
05:56:21,680 --> 05:56:28,718
officials. This being said, I make a
motion that we reject the proposed

2213
05:56:26,638 --> 05:56:35,520
freeway quarters
uh plan entirely, leaving the existing

2214
05:56:31,600 --> 05:56:41,070
2008 freeway quarter plan or corridor
plan in place.

2215
05:56:38,798 --> 05:56:44,958
Thank you.
[Applause]

2216
05:56:42,798 --> 05:56:49,680
Okay, so we still have some other
comments and stuff before we get into

2217
05:56:46,160 --> 05:56:55,160
motions. Um, I think before I go to
Councilman Miller, uh, from my seat, um,

2218
05:56:56,240 --> 05:57:02,558
development of those
warehouses down there, I think on the

2219
05:57:00,718 --> 05:57:12,400
staff's presentation it said it was
789,000 some change for um, tax revenue.

2220
05:57:09,200 --> 05:57:19,638
That brings in 14.4 million, if I wrote
it down correctly, in diff fees. And if

2221
05:57:15,280 --> 05:57:19,638
I'm not mistaken, we had 24

2222
05:57:20,160 --> 05:57:29,760
25 million in loans to the from the diff
defies. Is that correct, Phil?

2223
05:57:29,120 --> 05:57:35,040
» I ish.
>> Uh- ish. Yes. Uh that's correct. Uh $20

2224
05:57:32,320 --> 05:57:42,638
million uh inner fund loans for all five
categories um as of June 30th, 25.

2225
05:57:39,760 --> 05:57:47,920
» So this 14 would be able to go towards
bringing that down. Correct. Um uh

2226
05:57:45,520 --> 05:57:52,958
» is that too simplified of an answer?
>> It is. It is the the it would help um

2227
05:57:50,798 --> 05:57:59,840
but the the 20 million is all five
categories. Um the the categories of

2228
05:57:56,718 --> 05:58:04,240
funding with this specific project um do
not cover the same three categories that

2229
05:58:02,400 --> 05:58:07,600
make up the 20 million. There's a little
bit difference, but a couple million

2230
05:58:05,360 --> 05:58:13,040
dollars would help pay that down. And
then the overall diff uh program is

2231
05:58:11,120 --> 05:58:19,680
hundreds of million dollars. the rest of
it goes into funding the infrastructure

2232
05:58:15,760 --> 05:58:23,200
of that hundred million dollar plus um
number that is uh required for the

2233
05:58:21,360 --> 05:58:24,958
infrastructure through the rest of the
program.

2234
05:58:24,240 --> 05:58:27,760
» Thank you, sir.
>> Yeah.

2235
05:58:26,000 --> 05:58:36,160
» Um
and the reason I bring that up is that

2236
05:58:32,000 --> 05:58:39,920
finances are on our radar right now and
anything that helps kind of level some

2237
05:58:38,000 --> 05:58:46,280
of those things on our ledger I think
helps. Um and then also um

2238
05:58:46,320 --> 05:58:51,480
we don't want I I don't how to simplify
this but

2239
05:58:52,000 --> 05:58:59,120
when we look at our financial
long road plan down the road we we want

2240
05:58:57,680 --> 05:59:05,840
to be a little diversified. We don't
want everything in one basket. And I

2241
05:59:02,958 --> 05:59:12,240
think this is important because we have
had a freeway corridor plan in place

2242
05:59:07,680 --> 05:59:16,878
since 2008. what is that 16 17 years and
um we've had one warehouse built over on

2243
05:59:15,600 --> 05:59:23,920
County Line Road and that was in the
last year year and a half year I think.

2244
05:59:20,400 --> 05:59:28,638
Um and nothing else has happened and we
need to do some things to give our kind

2245
05:59:25,200 --> 05:59:32,558
of a a shot in our uh
revenue for our city and obviously this

2246
05:59:30,798 --> 05:59:37,440
isn't going to happen overnight. It's
going to take some time and but we got

2247
05:59:35,440 --> 05:59:41,280
to work on our finances because if we
keep saying no to everything, things are

2248
05:59:38,958 --> 05:59:45,680
going to pass us by and we are going to
have a hard time paying um our bills

2249
05:59:44,638 --> 05:59:49,840
down the road and we're going to be at
the same crossroad. The the initiative

2250
05:59:47,200 --> 05:59:54,480
that went through last year. Uh whether
you agree with it or not, it's a

2251
05:59:52,080 --> 05:59:59,440
temporary fix. It's a band-aid as
someone said earlier, um it's not a

2252
05:59:57,120 --> 06:00:03,360
long-term fix. So, we have to figure out
something to take care of our finances

2253
06:00:00,718 --> 06:00:06,878
long term. We've been working on this
since 2008. Nothing's really transpired.

2254
06:00:05,520 --> 06:00:09,600
And we've got someone that's willing to
think outside the box and do something a

2255
06:00:08,240 --> 06:00:16,080
little bit different that allows for
some of this to take place. So, um I I

2256
06:00:14,638 --> 06:00:18,240
think it's a good opportunity for what
we have right now. We don't have

2257
06:00:17,200 --> 06:00:20,798
anything else. We don't have people
knocking down our doors. We've heard

2258
06:00:19,680 --> 06:00:26,718
people talk about you should look at
other things. We have been um staff's

2259
06:00:24,080 --> 06:00:31,120
done a phenomenal job, I think. And I've
met with a lot of people on this over

2260
06:00:28,320 --> 06:00:35,040
the years. This project and and the
warehouse project and whatnot has been

2261
06:00:32,718 --> 06:00:40,400
something that uh I've been in many many
meetings over the past four to five

2262
06:00:37,040 --> 06:00:46,160
years. And you know, I think they're
they're looking outside the box. They're

2263
06:00:42,000 --> 06:00:48,798
trying to address a lot of concerns. Um
you know, Calamea is going to have

2264
06:00:47,280 --> 06:00:53,680
warehouses go in and you're going to see
every one of those no matter where you

2265
06:00:50,160 --> 06:00:58,160
are. Uh and the this company is willing
to come in and move as it was stated,

2266
06:00:56,320 --> 06:01:02,638
you know, these small mountains, which
is a lot of money, a lot of dirt just to

2267
06:01:00,400 --> 06:01:05,680
make it so that it's a a little bit more
aesthetically pleasing. So, we keep a

2268
06:01:04,160 --> 06:01:09,280
little bit of that approach, uh that
visibility that we want to see from the

2269
06:01:07,360 --> 06:01:11,600
open spaces. There's a lot of other
things that we've already talked about

2270
06:01:10,558 --> 06:01:15,280
previously that I think they're
addressing. So, I think I I think right

2271
06:01:13,600 --> 06:01:19,200
now, but what we have in front of us, we
have an opportunity. Uh and we we should

2272
06:01:18,000 --> 06:01:23,040
take a hold of that opportunity we have
right now. Um, we keep saying no.

2273
06:01:21,600 --> 06:01:26,000
Eventually, opportunities go away and
we'll be down the road and we're going

2274
06:01:24,000 --> 06:01:31,920
to be wishing we had done something.
And, you know, this probably isn't the

2275
06:01:28,718 --> 06:01:35,760
time to to say it, but the we recently
had an event here in town and we had an

2276
06:01:34,320 --> 06:01:40,958
overwhelming response from law
enforcement and the resources.

2277
06:01:38,958 --> 06:01:46,080
And
if we don't address our finances, there

2278
06:01:43,680 --> 06:01:49,600
may come a time where we have to not
have all the safety precautions and

2279
06:01:48,240 --> 06:01:52,240
things in the city that we want and we
didn't want that to happen last time. So

2280
06:01:51,040 --> 06:01:55,680
that's why the initiative went, you
know, the public decided that vote that

2281
06:01:54,000 --> 06:02:00,400
through to keep that from happening. And
it's a good thing that it went through.

2282
06:01:58,240 --> 06:02:04,638
Um
I don't think cutting public services is

2283
06:02:03,200 --> 06:02:08,558
the way to go. But when you start
running out of money, just like your in

2284
06:02:06,558 --> 06:02:12,558
your families, you start up making hard
choices. Right now, it's nice cities

2285
06:02:10,638 --> 06:02:15,920
that we're cutting. Eventually, it might
get down to the things that we truly

2286
06:02:14,638 --> 06:02:19,360
need, and it's really going to get
uncomfortable, and that will really

2287
06:02:17,520 --> 06:02:23,040
change the look of our city and the
environment of our city if we have to

2288
06:02:20,558 --> 06:02:26,920
start going that route. Um, that's
that's for my seat. Councilman,

2289
06:02:27,200 --> 06:02:33,200
» thank you, mayor. Uh, I appreciate the
time. And I kind of just want to start

2290
06:02:31,120 --> 06:02:38,558
out with the finally meet the Palmer
family. In my eight months on the

2291
06:02:36,480 --> 06:02:43,440
council, I've either seen your name on a
map or in a report. So, thank you for

2292
06:02:41,360 --> 06:02:47,280
coming up as a property owner to finally
meet you. I heard good things. So, thank

2293
06:02:45,360 --> 06:02:54,480
you for coming up tonight and to
actually put a face to the paper on a

2294
06:02:50,400 --> 06:02:59,120
map. Um, and Dan, I thank you for coming
up and giving a presentation of your

2295
06:02:56,558 --> 06:03:04,480
Pacific Oats project. uh thank our
citizens for their their input and their

2296
06:03:01,600 --> 06:03:11,520
concerns. We've we've heard this a a few
times. Uh but I'll go back to 17 years

2297
06:03:08,638 --> 06:03:16,080
uh this has been talked about. Um I
didn't come with a prepared statement.

2298
06:03:13,360 --> 06:03:20,798
Uh Mayor Prom, that's great. You you've
dug in and have your opinion. I've just

2299
06:03:18,718 --> 06:03:25,040
heard two and a half hours of facts. You
have facts. I would love to go through

2300
06:03:23,360 --> 06:03:29,440
them with you right now. what your where
you got your facts, but I just heard

2301
06:03:26,718 --> 06:03:34,400
from experts. I heard from a staff that
we have here that have advanced degrees.

2302
06:03:32,080 --> 06:03:40,320
I have an engineer. I have somebody that
has an advanced degree that have studied

2303
06:03:36,798 --> 06:03:45,040
this stuff for the last I mean, this
thing's been studied for 17 years back

2304
06:03:42,320 --> 06:03:49,360
and forth. Councils before us have sent
it back several times to go meet with

2305
06:03:47,200 --> 06:03:54,480
property owners. They have met with
certain families that you may have been

2306
06:03:51,200 --> 06:03:58,320
referencing several times. In fact, I
sat in a meeting with one of them

2307
06:03:56,080 --> 06:04:03,600
property owners that just was not
extremely positive about working with

2308
06:04:00,558 --> 06:04:06,320
the city. And that's okay. Everybody has
a right to do what they want. In

2309
06:04:04,958 --> 06:04:10,718
America, you could do what you want with
your property. All we're merely looking

2310
06:04:08,558 --> 06:04:17,520
at is an overlay. These pretty color
maps we have over here is an overlay of

2311
06:04:14,000 --> 06:04:23,840
what the city has looked at to put down.
You can do what you want with your

2312
06:04:18,798 --> 06:04:28,080
property. Okay. So, we have a we have a
developer here or somebody that wants to

2313
06:04:25,680 --> 06:04:32,480
develop their property. Uh Pacific Oaks
is actually going to bring the

2314
06:04:29,360 --> 06:04:37,840
infrastructure through to start
kickstart the project to get us going.

2315
06:04:35,200 --> 06:04:42,878
Water and infrastructure is everything,
right? To get the project going. The

2316
06:04:40,400 --> 06:04:47,520
mayor talked about long-term
sustainability.

2317
06:04:45,520 --> 06:04:52,080
We were in well John's still in it, but
I was in law enforcement for many years

2318
06:04:49,440 --> 06:04:56,638
them in in public safety. Them costs are
continually going to go up over the

2319
06:04:53,680 --> 06:05:01,600
years. I guarantee it. Cost for
contracts,

2320
06:04:58,240 --> 06:05:07,200
cost for cars, guns, bullets, vest,
safety equipment, uh, you know, dispatch

2321
06:05:04,240 --> 06:05:11,520
rate, all that stuff goes up over time.
So, you have to have some sustainability

2322
06:05:09,520 --> 06:05:17,440
to pay for the public safety costs that
our community values so much. They

2323
06:05:14,160 --> 06:05:21,280
passed a public safety referendum or tax
to to make sure we can be sustainable in

2324
06:05:19,760 --> 06:05:24,558
what we're doing for our public safety
because we have a very safe town. It's

2325
06:05:23,360 --> 06:05:28,320
hard to say that because when you say
that something happens usually, but look

2326
06:05:26,400 --> 06:05:33,120
at our safety report we just had from
our sheriff's department. We value

2327
06:05:30,718 --> 06:05:37,200
having a safe town, but that cost in the
run in the end. Them costs are very

2328
06:05:35,520 --> 06:05:41,920
expensive for the things we want to
provide. Yes, we provided a balanced

2329
06:05:39,520 --> 06:05:45,680
budget this year. We are putting a
strategic plan together with a financial

2330
06:05:43,920 --> 06:05:49,120
strategic plan to make sure everything
lines up in the future. We're in the

2331
06:05:47,760 --> 06:05:54,080
middle of a we're starting a city
manager search. We've got a lot going,

2332
06:05:52,160 --> 06:05:59,680
but everything predicates on this
freeway quarter specific plan and moving

2333
06:05:56,160 --> 06:06:06,400
this thing forward. Now, I think Dan has
bent over backwards with us, the

2334
06:06:01,920 --> 06:06:08,878
community. He's revised his plan. Um, of
course there's going to be folks out

2335
06:06:07,520 --> 06:06:12,878
there that don't want to see a row of
warehouses. Like when you fly into

2336
06:06:10,400 --> 06:06:17,280
Ontario airport and what do you see? A
row of warehouses, right? That's not

2337
06:06:15,040 --> 06:06:21,680
what this plan is. Let's be honest,
people. This is the kickstart for that

2338
06:06:19,680 --> 06:06:26,878
freeway quarter specific plan. And we
also have a housing element to deal

2339
06:06:24,080 --> 06:06:30,320
with. There's no doubt. If we don't go
forward, where are you going to put

2340
06:06:29,040 --> 06:06:35,760
where are you going to put the houses
that the state is requiring us to do

2341
06:06:33,360 --> 06:06:42,480
there? you have to deal with that at
some point. Um, and I think if we just

2342
06:06:39,440 --> 06:06:46,240
kind of just think ahead, you know, we
may be all gone by then, but if you

2343
06:06:44,558 --> 06:06:50,878
think ahead of what we can actually do
for our town, not just think about our

2344
06:06:48,878 --> 06:06:55,040
districts and not just think about the
shortterm thing, you know, like opening

2345
06:06:53,520 --> 06:06:59,360
Trader Joe's is great. It's packed every
day, but that's short term. What are we

2346
06:06:57,040 --> 06:07:03,120
doing long term for our community?
Here's the start. This is what's going

2347
06:07:01,600 --> 06:07:07,280
to kickstart. And look where it's at
down there. Yes, I agree with many of

2348
06:07:05,600 --> 06:07:11,040
our citizens and say, "Hey, what about
truck traffic and diesel emissions and

2349
06:07:08,958 --> 06:07:15,200
all that?" Yes, there's science on both
ways. We've heard from our environmental

2350
06:07:13,200 --> 06:07:19,440
experts tonight. We even had a third
party environmental person come in

2351
06:07:16,878 --> 06:07:25,120
that's totally, you know, clean from it
to give their report. So, you can't tell

2352
06:07:22,400 --> 06:07:29,760
me it hasn't been vetted six ways from
Sunday in 17 years. Personally, I've

2353
06:07:28,080 --> 06:07:34,638
talked to former council members that
have sat on this dis and told me what

2354
06:07:32,320 --> 06:07:38,080
they thought about the plan. I sat down
with them at coffee and tell me what you

2355
06:07:36,718 --> 06:07:41,440
were thinking when you put the plan
together and you you met with the

2356
06:07:39,840 --> 06:07:46,558
community and what you wanted to do and
what was that vision? What was the money

2357
06:07:43,840 --> 06:07:51,680
we've spent before? Right, city manager?
What have we already invested as a

2358
06:07:48,480 --> 06:07:56,240
council and council's before us? It's
already there. We're already down the

2359
06:07:54,160 --> 06:08:00,878
road and tonight we need to finally do
something. We can't kick this count down

2360
06:07:58,400 --> 06:08:06,160
the road anymore. Just be honest with
each other for once. The common sense

2361
06:08:03,360 --> 06:08:10,480
approach is to approve this plan and
let's move forward. One of the things

2362
06:08:08,480 --> 06:08:14,878
that I' I've been hearing for the last
several months is and uh for me and I

2363
06:08:13,520 --> 06:08:18,798
think hit on this in our finance
committee meeting. If you approve this

2364
06:08:16,878 --> 06:08:23,040
plan, there's an area in there that's
colored green. We got a lot of colors up

2365
06:08:20,718 --> 06:08:28,080
there, right? A lot of pretty colors,
crayons, right? And what if you you own

2366
06:08:26,240 --> 06:08:32,958
a piece of property and you like that
green area to be a little red? Fine. Put

2367
06:08:30,958 --> 06:08:38,480
your plan in. Do your own environmental,
not at taxpayer cost. And if you can do

2368
06:08:36,320 --> 06:08:42,000
your plan and maybe turn some of that
into something you can develop, great.

2369
06:08:40,240 --> 06:08:46,320
That's America. Do what you want with
your property. But we're just putting

2370
06:08:43,920 --> 06:08:51,680
the overlay down. And I think we get
confused. The city is just providing

2371
06:08:49,680 --> 06:08:56,080
kind of the playbook of what you can do.
You have to come back with your what

2372
06:08:53,760 --> 06:08:59,120
your development's going to be and
hopefully you have a good project and it

2373
06:08:57,520 --> 06:09:03,440
gets approved. You're working with the
water develop company. We've got a we

2374
06:09:00,878 --> 06:09:06,878
got a board member back there that he
usually comes to all the meetings. Don't

2375
06:09:04,798 --> 06:09:10,558
run out of here, Mr. Granland. Uh
they're very in tune to what's going on

2376
06:09:08,480 --> 06:09:14,878
with water. I think the mayor prom was
talking about water connections, etc. We

2377
06:09:12,718 --> 06:09:18,958
had a nice pres presentation a few weeks
ago from Joe Zorba who told us how

2378
06:09:16,878 --> 06:09:21,760
everything connects in our area with
water. That's why we had that

2379
06:09:20,240 --> 06:09:26,000
presentation.
So, uh, last meeting I was pretty quiet

2380
06:09:24,320 --> 06:09:30,080
and I had a lot of people ask me, "Bob,
you're really quiet." Because I talk a

2381
06:09:27,520 --> 06:09:35,280
lot clearly and I said, 'Well, I was
just waiting for this meeting. Because I

2382
06:09:32,558 --> 06:09:40,400
knew how important this is.
This is an important signature event.

2383
06:09:37,840 --> 06:09:45,040
Somebody tonight talked about legacy,
what our legacy is going to be. This is

2384
06:09:43,040 --> 06:09:49,200
our legacy.
I think it's going to be positive. I

2385
06:09:46,958 --> 06:09:53,280
could be wrong. I've been wrong about a
few things in my life, but this is the

2386
06:09:51,040 --> 06:09:56,558
legacy that if we can provide what we
need to do, you heard the iron workers

2387
06:09:54,878 --> 06:10:01,040
talking about jobs and hiring our own
people, what kind of housing can we have

2388
06:09:59,120 --> 06:10:05,040
for our own people? Me, Mr. Granland had
talked about this over coffee one day.

2389
06:10:03,040 --> 06:10:09,760
Can our kids afford houses in our own
town to be able to live here, work here,

2390
06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:14,638
and be able to provide for their family
here? What can we do for our own town?

2391
06:10:12,400 --> 06:10:21,320
We've got to think about the 54,000
people that live here. common sense

2392
06:10:16,638 --> 06:10:21,320
approach is we need to start this thing.

2393
06:10:21,440 --> 06:10:27,680
So I may hear from some people, well
Bob, are you prodevelopment? No, I'm

2394
06:10:24,958 --> 06:10:33,680
about managed growth. Do do what can
work and every project is different. We

2395
06:10:31,200 --> 06:10:39,920
have to take everything as it comes to
us. But no more kicking it down the

2396
06:10:36,480 --> 06:10:43,200
road. U and I I'll be honest with you,
that's all I got to say about it. I

2397
06:10:41,680 --> 06:10:48,638
think everybody knows where I stand
right now. I'll make an alternate motion

2398
06:10:45,680 --> 06:10:51,360
that we approve this plan. Um, I know we
have a motion on the floor, but I'm

2399
06:10:49,920 --> 06:10:55,320
making an alternate motion that we
approve this plan tonight.

2400
06:10:56,320 --> 06:11:03,840
» You're up, ma'am.
>> Well, I've made lots of notes on this

2401
06:11:01,200 --> 06:11:10,080
this evening. I've changed them and
rewritten them. And I did appreciate the

2402
06:11:07,600 --> 06:11:15,040
staff presentation on the questions and
answers. I think that was a a great job.

2403
06:11:12,480 --> 06:11:21,920
It did even for me answer a lot of
things clarified things for me which I

2404
06:11:17,520 --> 06:11:28,958
think is important. Um I want to make a
comment to Mr. Venable.

2405
06:11:25,280 --> 06:11:35,200
I do appreciate very much your comments
and your concerns and I did listen

2406
06:11:33,040 --> 06:11:40,638
um and I've taken them into
consideration.

2407
06:11:37,280 --> 06:11:46,638
However, I've not heard anything from uh
other speakers and everything tonight

2408
06:11:42,638 --> 06:11:50,920
that has changed my mind. I still um
support my previous vote.

2409
06:11:54,160 --> 06:12:00,320
Okay. So, we have a first motion on the
floor and that is to reject the options

2410
06:11:58,718 --> 06:12:03,480
that were presented by staff. Do I have
a second?

2411
06:12:07,040 --> 06:12:14,718
hearing none. So I guess that motion
fails. We have a second motion on the

2412
06:12:12,080 --> 06:12:19,558
floor to accept the recommendations as
staff has presented. Do I have a second

2413
06:12:16,400 --> 06:12:19,558
on that?

2414
06:12:21,760 --> 06:12:31,440
» Um I'll second. Oh Justin second.
>> Okay. So first is Mr. Miller. Second is

2415
06:12:29,120 --> 06:12:36,080
Mr. Beaver. And we will need to do a
roll call vote. Council member Beaver,

2416
06:12:35,280 --> 06:12:38,000
» yes.
>> Council member Miller,

2417
06:12:37,360 --> 06:12:39,680
» yes.
>> Council member Wolsey,

2418
06:12:39,280 --> 06:12:41,920
» yes.
>> Mayor Promal,

2419
06:12:41,120 --> 06:12:43,440
» no.
>> Mayor Thorp,

2420
06:12:42,958 --> 06:12:47,630
» yes.
>> Motion carried.

2421
06:12:45,680 --> 06:12:52,558
» Thank you, ma'am.
[Applause]

2422
06:12:49,680 --> 06:12:58,160
» Okay. Uh, next is council member
comments and reports. So, before I go

2423
06:12:55,440 --> 06:13:02,718
down the line here, um
earlier tonight in the consent agenda,

2424
06:12:59,840 --> 06:13:07,840
we talked about awarding a contract to
get some paving done on County Line

2425
06:13:04,798 --> 06:13:12,320
Road. Got an email earlier, I want to
say it was Thursday. I don't remember

2426
06:13:10,160 --> 06:13:16,000
exactly the day now. um earlier this
week about another one of our

2427
06:13:14,320 --> 06:13:23,200
constituents upset about the condition
of the roadway um and how long it's

2428
06:13:18,718 --> 06:13:27,760
taken and is upset with
frankly our city council and our city

2429
06:13:25,440 --> 06:13:35,120
staff on where we are on that project.
Um didn't mention Calamace at all. Um

2430
06:13:33,440 --> 06:13:39,680
I I know we just did an update on this
not too long ago and I've reached out to

2431
06:13:38,558 --> 06:13:43,760
this individual to meet with them, have
a one-on-one meeting with them. We'll

2432
06:13:40,878 --> 06:13:47,760
see if they'll accept it and but um
maybe on a future nearby meeting we

2433
06:13:46,320 --> 06:13:51,200
could get another update on that just to
put some information out and maybe put

2434
06:13:49,680 --> 06:13:55,360
something out on social media so people
can see it because it's becoming a

2435
06:13:53,280 --> 06:13:59,200
little bit more frequent that people are
voicing their it's it's been going on

2436
06:13:57,600 --> 06:14:03,440
for a while but it's becoming a little
more more frequent that people are

2437
06:14:01,200 --> 06:14:07,680
frustrated with where we are in this.
Um, I understand that there's a lot of

2438
06:14:06,240 --> 06:14:12,958
moving parts and it's a joint venture
and and and whatnot, but um, sometimes

2439
06:14:11,440 --> 06:14:15,120
people don't always see the updates that
are out there before. So, if we could

2440
06:14:13,920 --> 06:14:18,958
put something out about that, maybe I
appreciate that.

2441
06:14:17,120 --> 06:14:25,040
Um, the second thing is is I want to
publicly thank the sheriff's department

2442
06:14:21,680 --> 06:14:27,280
and all the resources and all the
different people that have been involved

2443
06:14:26,080 --> 06:14:31,200
in this incident that took place this
last week. Thank you very much. Please

2444
06:14:29,040 --> 06:14:35,200
pass it on up the the chain for us. You
all are awesome. you did a great job. Uh

2445
06:14:33,520 --> 06:14:40,638
I know there's still some things being
cleared up. Um but um you all did a

2446
06:14:38,958 --> 06:14:44,798
really good job and just we're we're
proud of you and

2447
06:14:42,878 --> 06:14:50,320
anything that we can do, we're here for
you. Uh but I just I just think you guys

2448
06:14:48,400 --> 06:14:53,760
got on it. People helped out. There's a
lot of people providing resources, our

2449
06:14:52,320 --> 06:14:58,000
search and rescue, a bunch of other
people. So um from the bottom of my

2450
06:14:56,558 --> 06:15:03,120
heart, thank you. And if you please pass
that on all the way up the chain, I

2451
06:14:59,440 --> 06:15:08,718
appreciate it. Um,
thank you. All right. Um,

2452
06:15:06,000 --> 06:15:14,080
to my left.
>> On the 14th, I attended the Metro Valley

2453
06:15:11,280 --> 06:15:19,360
Board meeting, which is a uh monthly uh
meeting. I also attended the Inland

2454
06:15:16,718 --> 06:15:25,040
Empire Business 10-year anniversary
celebration at Yamaha. On the 18th, the

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06:15:22,638 --> 06:15:30,558
finance committee meeting on the 19th,
the Rotary Club and the Water District

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06:15:27,840 --> 06:15:37,040
meeting. On the 20th, I attended a
reception for Jay Obernolulti. On the

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06:15:33,760 --> 06:15:42,878
21st, Trader Joe's uh opening. And on
the 22nd, I attended the Yakipa Valley

2458
06:15:39,920 --> 06:15:48,480
Wine Alliance preh harvest industry
event at the North Cork Vineyard and

2459
06:15:46,000 --> 06:15:51,520
Winery. First time I'd ever been there.
It's quite a place.

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06:15:51,760 --> 06:15:55,160
That's what I

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06:16:00,400 --> 06:16:06,240
» Yeah. I just want to thank our staff. I,
you know, they uh they don't get the

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06:16:04,718 --> 06:16:11,600
credit for the work they do. I know
especially this last project has been a

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06:16:08,400 --> 06:16:16,878
labor of love or pain, one of the two
for a lot of years. Ben for me,

2464
06:16:14,080 --> 06:16:21,840
Jennifer, everybody. Uh I I know you
guys have worked so hard on this and and

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06:16:19,600 --> 06:16:25,520
your staffs that work with you. Um you
know, you you've you've definitely put

2466
06:16:23,280 --> 06:16:30,240
your college education and experience to
work. So, thanks for hanging in there

2467
06:16:27,280 --> 06:16:33,280
with us. Um you know, uh and the council
always has good intentions. I know we

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06:16:31,840 --> 06:16:38,240
all respect you and everything, but we
all have different viewpoints at times,

2469
06:16:35,200 --> 06:16:42,000
but thank you for what you do. Um and
interim city manager Jennifer Crawford,

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06:16:40,320 --> 06:16:46,480
we're so proud of the work you've done.
You've done such a great job coming in

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06:16:43,760 --> 06:16:50,240
and and just holding us together, man.
And I really do appreciate it. I have

2472
06:16:48,718 --> 06:16:54,080
had the opportunity to work with many
city managers over the years. I am

2473
06:16:52,160 --> 06:16:58,160
really appreciative of the work you do
and how you get things to us when we

2474
06:16:55,840 --> 06:17:02,480
need them and they're clear. It's very
professional work and how you brought

2475
06:17:00,080 --> 06:17:06,240
the staff together. Um, I really
appreciate it. And our finance director,

2476
06:17:04,160 --> 06:17:11,120
Phil, he knows how much I appreciate him
for keeping us on track. uh and the many

2477
06:17:09,120 --> 06:17:15,120
things that did with Ryan and and Megan
and the whole staff. You guys just do a

2478
06:17:12,878 --> 06:17:18,240
great job. And you know, I wish the
audience was here to hear this right

2479
06:17:16,558 --> 06:17:22,638
now. You know, they leave after the
their items up usually, but you guys

2480
06:17:20,558 --> 06:17:26,958
work really hard. And being a former
staff member, I know you don't take the

2481
06:17:24,798 --> 06:17:30,718
credit. You don't care about credit. You
do it because you care about our city.

2482
06:17:29,120 --> 06:17:34,400
Uh just think of the little things that
happen, the great things we have at WPAC

2483
06:17:32,558 --> 06:17:38,080
that happen. The great things we do in
the community. Trader Joe's. I think

2484
06:17:36,080 --> 06:17:43,280
there was a line around the what three
times around the store. The things that

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06:17:40,240 --> 06:17:46,400
just happen in our town, you know, uh
looks like we might get some new

2486
06:17:44,480 --> 06:17:50,320
baseball lights. No, sorry about that.
But, you know, it's just it's just good

2487
06:17:48,878 --> 06:17:53,680
stuff. We do the relationship,
especially with council member Woolley.

2488
06:17:52,160 --> 06:17:57,280
She goes to everything. She goes to all
the waterboard meetings, has a great

2489
06:17:55,680 --> 06:18:01,680
relationship with them, which helps
everything we do. So, we have a good

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06:17:59,520 --> 06:18:05,600
team, you know, and I think once we get
our strategic plan together and we keep

2491
06:18:03,920 --> 06:18:10,958
moving forward, our staff will be part
of that. Um, and our community. Um, we a

2492
06:18:09,120 --> 06:18:14,000
lot of a lot of good things are ahead.
Uh, we just don't talk about it enough,

2493
06:18:12,718 --> 06:18:16,480
but I think we do we've been through a
lot in the last eight months and I think

2494
06:18:15,280 --> 06:18:21,200
we're going to come we're coming out of
it. So, um, I just want to share that

2495
06:18:18,878 --> 06:18:24,400
with you guys how grateful I know I am
for working with this council and the

2496
06:18:23,040 --> 06:18:28,798
things they're doing, especially working
with this staff. You guys are awesome. I

2497
06:18:26,878 --> 06:18:32,480
I I wish I had you when I was working,
you know. Uh you guys are great staff

2498
06:18:30,718 --> 06:18:37,760
and we're lucky to have you and thank
you for everything you do.

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06:18:34,638 --> 06:18:43,360
» Thank you, sir. Mayor Pr.
>> Well, um youth advisory committee, we

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06:18:40,480 --> 06:18:48,558
have some kids that graduated and and uh
that are leaving our our um

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06:18:46,878 --> 06:18:52,320
committee and stuff. And so we are
looking I think that we'll be able to

2502
06:18:50,000 --> 06:18:57,360
cover them no problem and stuff but if
you know any kids and stuff that would

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06:18:54,240 --> 06:18:59,840
like to get involved we'd love to have
them.

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06:18:58,400 --> 06:19:07,280
» That's all I have.
>> Thank you sir. Councilman Beaver.

2505
06:19:04,558 --> 06:19:11,440
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um I want to echo
your sentiments briefly. Uh outstanding

2506
06:19:09,200 --> 06:19:16,400
job as always by our um our our police
department, our sheriff's department. Um

2507
06:19:13,520 --> 06:19:22,718
obviously we made national and in fact
uh even international headlines

2508
06:19:19,920 --> 06:19:26,798
uh this month uh tragically and for the
very wrong reasons. Um press release was

2509
06:19:25,040 --> 06:19:32,320
put out by our mayor. Uh just want to
reiterate it. Kidnappings don't happen

2510
06:19:29,120 --> 06:19:36,558
in Ukipa. Our city is safe. The world
knows that now thanks to the phenomenal

2511
06:19:34,558 --> 06:19:40,480
investigative prowess of our sheriff's
detectives.

2512
06:19:38,798 --> 06:19:43,920
Captain I wish I was there for your
first meeting. um we will get a chance

2513
06:19:42,000 --> 06:19:49,280
to meet in person. I I promise. Um with
that, I'd like to ask um Councilman

2514
06:19:46,240 --> 06:19:54,080
Miller to join me in asking staff to
schedule a public safety committee

2515
06:19:51,440 --> 06:20:01,680
meeting in the very near future so as to
uh sit down with our new chief of police

2516
06:19:56,958 --> 06:20:06,798
and kind of out some uh um more
notification um requests as we move

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06:20:04,958 --> 06:20:13,040
forward for critical incidents and
nothing further.

2518
06:20:10,000 --> 06:20:15,840
» All right. So, you guys will set up a a
meeting for the ad hoc meeting for the

2519
06:20:14,638 --> 06:20:22,638
public evening.
>> Thank you. Um, and going back to the uh

2520
06:20:20,160 --> 06:20:27,760
Trader Joe's thing, there was like four
to 600 people in the first hour and I

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06:20:25,280 --> 06:20:33,520
went there the other day to or today to
pick up something. And I think the clerk

2522
06:20:30,400 --> 06:20:39,360
told me this morning that and the first
day of sales was like 150,000 the first

2523
06:20:36,558 --> 06:20:42,160
day. That's pretty good. Now, obviously,
we're not going to see all that, but

2524
06:20:40,718 --> 06:20:50,958
that's that's good for a first day of
work in our city. So, it's impressive.

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06:20:45,840 --> 06:20:57,878
Um, with that, uh, let's see here.
Ma'am, acting city manager, do you have

2526
06:20:53,760 --> 06:20:57,878
anything to add or announce?

2527
06:20:59,280 --> 06:21:09,040
» Um, yeah. Last week on Monday, I I um
submitted to city council my uh intent

2528
06:21:06,000 --> 06:21:15,360
to retire on December 30th. It came
bittersweet, but uh I as of October,

2529
06:21:12,160 --> 06:21:19,360
I'll be here for 26 years. And I
appreciate the team that surrounded me

2530
06:21:17,520 --> 06:21:24,718
and over the years, all the employees
I've worked with, all the city councils,

2531
06:21:21,840 --> 06:21:29,200
all the community members, just so much
that we've gotten done over the years

2532
06:21:26,400 --> 06:21:35,840
and it's just it's family. You spend so
many hours here a day and it's you can't

2533
06:21:32,638 --> 06:21:40,798
you can't describe how talented the city
of Ukipa team is and so you as city

2534
06:21:37,840 --> 06:21:46,320
council, the community, everybody needs
needs to be proud of it and also of our

2535
06:21:43,280 --> 06:21:50,480
of our city council and so December 30th
>> exiting

2536
06:21:47,680 --> 06:21:53,600
» will be my last day. But until then,
I'll be here every day working hard for

2537
06:21:52,160 --> 06:21:57,280
you.
>> Thank you, ma'am.

2538
06:21:55,200 --> 06:22:01,120
Well, with that, our next scheduled city
council meeting will be Monday,

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06:21:58,400 --> 06:22:05,638
September 8th, 2025,
and we stand adjourned at 9:35.