1
00:00:20,180 --> 00:00:26,920
This call to order this meeting of the Yucca Valley Planning Commission on Tuesday, January 13th, 2020, six, roll call,

2
00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:28,960
please.

3
00:00:31,020 --> 00:00:39,840
Comissioners Henderson here noon in Stoker here Thomas here and chair Vasconcello's here and

4
00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,900
Commissioner noon and does have an excuse to absence this evening

5
00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:50,710
Mr. Henderson could you lead us in the pledge of legion fees yes, could you please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance

6
00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:53,530
Put your right hand over your heart

7
00:00:53,530 --> 00:00:55,070
Ready begin

8
00:00:55,070 --> 00:01:07,050
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands for the nation under God, and this is a world of energy and justice for all.

9
00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:17,020
All right. Let's move on. Can we get moving on to the approval of the agenda? Can we get a motion?

10
00:01:17,820 --> 00:01:20,360
I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as prepared.

11
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:21,220
Oh, second.

12
00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:22,760
For all call, please.

13
00:01:24,660 --> 00:01:25,780
Mr. Cenderson?

14
00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:26,560
Yes.

15
00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:27,120
Stoker?

16
00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:27,620
Yes.

17
00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,000
Service?

18
00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:33,120
Moving on to the consent agenda.

19
00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:38,000
All items listed on the consent calendar are considered to be routine matter or are considered

20
00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,820
formal documents covering previous planning commission instructions.

21
00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,220
Item listed on the consent calendar may be enacted by one motion in a second.

22
00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:50,080
There will be no separate discussion of the consent calendar items unless a member of the planning commission or a

23
00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:55,100
on staff requests a discussion on specific consent calendar items at the beginning of the meeting.

24
00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:02,480
Public requests to comment on consent calendar items should be filed with the Commission Secretary before the consent calendar is called.

25
00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,900
If that is anyone in the public, the wishes to comment on the consent agenda.

26
00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,160
They went online.

27
00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,300
Close a public comment.

28
00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,060
Anyone on the commission, have any comments?

29
00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:17,740
We can't get the motion to approve the consent agenda.

30
00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:20,380
I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

31
00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:22,560
Oh, I'll second.

32
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,840
Paul, please.

33
00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:25,060
Commissioner Henderson?

34
00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:25,820
Yes.

35
00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:26,180
Stoker?

36
00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:27,260
Thomas?

37
00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:27,640
Yes.

38
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:27,960
Yes.

39
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,420
Moving on to the public hearing.

40
00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:38,840
The item number two.

41
00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:42,920
Environmental Assessment EA 0 9-25.

42
00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:50,100
variance v 0 2 dash 25 at 5 8 2 3 8 ultimacy drive, staff report please.

43
00:02:56,770 --> 00:03:01,870
Good evening, chair and commission. The recommendation for this item for environmental

44
00:03:01,870 --> 00:03:08,470
assessment, EA 0 9 dash 2 5 is that the planning commission finds the project is exempt

45
00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:15,130
from sigma pursuant this section 1 5 3 0 3 class 3 new construction of small

46
00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:25,050
small structures as the proposed project is a fence and the recommendation for variance 0 to

47
00:03:25,050 --> 00:03:32,250
the S25 that the planning commission denies variance 0 to the S25 a variance from a

48
00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:42,410
townucca valley development code chapter 9.07.009.009.00 fences walls hedges and section 9.007.001.00

49
00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:46,810
projections and encouragements since a required setback areas in above height limits,

50
00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:53,030
table 2-6. The variance is to allow the fence to exceed the maximum

51
00:03:53,030 --> 00:04:01,450
four foot height of four solid baller fence by two feet within the front and streetside setbacks.

52
00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:11,560
So as you know, as we've had some variances throughout the past few months, we'll say provisions

53
00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,780
for variances, exceptions to Town Sandored, set forth in the Town's development code, or

54
00:04:16,780 --> 00:04:22,780
establish to ensure that any property because of special circumstances such as size, shape,

55
00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:29,680
topography, location, or surroundings shall be accorded privileges commonly enjoyed by the

56
00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,540
other properties in the same vicinity, pursuing the government code, six, five, nine, zero, six.

57
00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:45,840
So, this is our fences walls and edges section for residential properties, in short,

58
00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:52,740
on street facing sides of a property for fences and walls that are within the setback area.

59
00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:59,880
They have a maximum height of four feet, if solid, six feet if you can clearly see through them.

60
00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:11,340
And then there's the clear-site triangle noted in section A8 on the page, kind of three quarters

61
00:05:11,340 --> 00:05:17,000
of the way down the slide that Fencing shall comply with the clear-site triangle standards,

62
00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:24,420
which essentially says that Fences within the clear-site triangle, solid Fences are limited

63
00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:26,340
the 30 inches in height.

64
00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,740
This is our projections and encroachments table.

65
00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,180
Some types of structures such as sheds

66
00:05:35,180 --> 00:05:37,840
can encroach on certain types of setbacks.

67
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,120
For example, sheds and garages can encroach

68
00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,180
on the rear setback.

69
00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,960
As you can see in the slide, the fences

70
00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800
for his front and street side yards

71
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,800
is limited to four feet if they're solid.

72
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,600
And you can see in the footnote six feet

73
00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,340
of open design and in six feet on the interior side and a rear yard.

74
00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:05,640
This is a site plan for

75
00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:13,280
the proposed project. The fence is a, the fence in question is illustrated on the south and west

76
00:06:14,380 --> 00:06:18,800
yards. So street facing handford and altumesa.

77
00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:27,100
This is a photo of the front. So the handford

78
00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:34,440
side of the property. You can see the fence designs solid corrugated metal with wood posts.

79
00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:43,230
This is the street side, so that's south side. It's currently a very nice and generally

80
00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:45,830
between 5 and 6 feet currently.

81
00:06:48,990 --> 00:06:53,350
This is a photo of a clear sight triangle. As you can

82
00:06:53,350 --> 00:07:03,690
Our normal commission secretary is measuring the height of the fence in the photo, which is approximately 5 feet.

83
00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:26,130
The required variance findings by our code in St. La, granting of such variance will not materially, not be materially detrimental to other properties or land uses in the area, and will not subsequently interfere with the future present ability to use solar energy systems.

84
00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:29,970
So essentially that won't cast the shadow onto rooftops.

85
00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:43,120
There are exceptional or extraordinary circumstances or conditional conditions applicable to the property or to an intended use that do not apply to other properties in the same district or vicinity.

86
00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:53,500
The strict application of the land use district deprives such property of privileges enjoyed by other properties in the vicinity or in the same land use district.

87
00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:58,640
And number four, the granting of the variance is compatible with the objectives policies.

88
00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:05,980
General land uses and programs in the general plan, this development code and yet applicable plan or ordinance.

89
00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:11,360
These are the applicant responses to the findings.

90
00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:21,740
Will granting the variance speed detrimental to other properties or land uses or in their fear with solar energy systems?

91
00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:26,440
there's one says, no, the fence I will be kept at six feet and we'll not interfere with

92
00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,080
solar energy systems.

93
00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,080
Is there any extraordinary circumstances or conditions?

94
00:08:35,060 --> 00:08:41,860
I'll paraphrase that there's theft concerns with the proposed structure, or with the proposed

95
00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:50,640
property. In short, it is a two-story home and a generally one-story neighborhood, we'll

96
00:08:51,980 --> 00:08:59,580
There's a short termification rental as well, so there's some concerns with privacy and

97
00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:08,140
with privacy, public safety and theft in summary, and applicant can expand on that if

98
00:09:08,140 --> 00:09:09,960
I missed anything else.

99
00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:16,030
Well, the strict application of land use district regulations, the private such property

100
00:09:16,030 --> 00:09:22,310
privileges enjoyed by other properties in the vicinity or same land use district.

101
00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:27,590
Applicant responses, yes, other properties in the area are able to provide safety and

102
00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:34,350
privacy to their homes, basically that, you know, the fence site is relative to the height

103
00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:43,810
of the structure, or a correlated to, I will say, also note that there is a bus stop in front

104
00:09:43,810 --> 00:09:52,430
or on the side slide street ultimacy and concern for children who are at that bus stop who may

105
00:09:52,430 --> 00:09:58,610
glance into the property and see activities not suited for children to watch.

106
00:10:02,130 --> 00:10:03,270
And then lastly is

107
00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,210
the variance request and conformance with the general plan and the responses, yes.

108
00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:11,060
This is a

109
00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:20,380
image of the track map for the area track map 6124, so this is when it was originally subdivided.

110
00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:26,260
You can see that's Altamesa kind of in the middle of the screen handford towards the left hand side.

111
00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,700
And the property in question is a lot number 81 more or less than the middle of the screen.

112
00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:39,480
This slide is to show that at least in terms of size, location,

113
00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,800
street widths, right of

114
00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:51,200
way, setbacks, et cetera, that the property is substantially similar to all of the other

115
00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,080
corner lots in this subdivision.

116
00:10:56,390 --> 00:11:00,610
This is a zoomed out, so you can see there's recorded setbacks

117
00:11:00,610 --> 00:11:08,210
in the front of the same 50-foot distance on every light in the subdivision, so just clarify

118
00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:16,110
that the light has fully leased those terms of setback, easements, it's either as substantially

119
00:11:16,110 --> 00:11:19,750
similar to all of the lots in the neighborhood,

120
00:11:23,810 --> 00:11:24,670
sorry for that.

121
00:11:26,350 --> 00:11:33,190
Here's a photo, looking north from the intersection, you'll see the proposed project is on

122
00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:38,230
right-hand side and then neighboring properties on the same side of the street.

123
00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:39,410
This is Hanford.

124
00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:47,970
On the left-hand side is the ultimacy side of the fence.

125
00:11:48,730 --> 00:11:50,670
This is looking east down the ultimacy.

126
00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:56,080
This is looking to the south from the intersection.

127
00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,980
So showing neighboring properties are also corner lots of the intersection.

128
00:12:04,570 --> 00:12:07,310
This is looking west down the ultimacy.

129
00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:16,780
kind of southeast, uh, looking southeast at the intersection, and this is just again

130
00:12:16,780 --> 00:12:21,320
idea of what the neighborhood looks like, what the topography looks like, um,

131
00:12:24,530 --> 00:12:25,010
and this

132
00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:31,010
is standing at the corner, um, of the subject property looking north, um, towards the highway.

133
00:12:35,610 --> 00:12:41,710
Uh, this is the staff responses to the, uh, I should say variance findings, not applicant

134
00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:44,910
and findings just to clarify that as a typo.

135
00:12:46,170 --> 00:12:48,510
It's a very interesting question number one,

136
00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,780
which just reiterates,

137
00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:02,060
will the granting of this very in-speed detrimental

138
00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:04,640
to other properties or land uses in the area,

139
00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,320
or substantially interfere with the present

140
00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,660
or future ability for solar energy systems?

141
00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,440
This is a yes, and though yes,

142
00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,600
the six foot tall fence along the public right away

143
00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,040
may potentially affect the feel of the open desert for neighboring properties.

144
00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:27,140
However, a six-foot tall fence is not anticipated to be tall enough to affect President

145
00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:33,860
or future ability to use solar energy systems, additionally a portion of the fence is located

146
00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:39,200
within the clear-side triangle, which may negatively affect the visibility of mother vehicle

147
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,040
operators when looking at cross-traffic in the intersection.

148
00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:48,360
Number two, are there exceptional or extraordinary circumstances at the property?

149
00:13:49,180 --> 00:13:49,440
No.

150
00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:55,560
As we kind of previously illustrated, there are no exceptional or extraordinary circumstances

151
00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:00,740
or conditions applicable to the property, or to the intended use that do not apply

152
00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:05,200
to other properties in the same district or vicinity, according to properties located at

153
00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,940
the north side of the altumase drive, or are all approximately the same size and dimensions.

154
00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:14,260
they all have the same recorded setbacks, all of the properties in the vicinity are required

155
00:14:14,260 --> 00:14:16,940
to comply with the same fencing standards.

156
00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,980
Number three will the strict application of the land use district regulations, the

157
00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:28,900
private such property of privileges, enjoyed by other properties in the same vicinity

158
00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:35,080
or district, know the strict application of the land use district regulations would result in the same

159
00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:41,660
religious enjoyed by other properties in the same way and land use district number four is the

160
00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:46,180
variance request and conformance with the objectives policies and programs specified in the

161
00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:52,380
general plan. Yes, the land use is consistent with the general plan. A six foot off and

162
00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:58,900
is not anticipated to affect the objectives policies and programs specified in general plan.

163
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:25,140
As such, the recommendation, again, is that environmental assessment, EA 09-25, the planning commission finds that the project is exempt from CEQA, and the variance 02-25, the planning commission denies variance 02-25, staff can answer your questions, following the public hearing and just one note.

164
00:15:25,140 --> 00:15:33,620
We had previously forgot to include letters from the neighbors so you can see those letters

165
00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:38,120
starting on packet page 38 if you'd like to read through those.

166
00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:43,180
Thank you staff.

167
00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,360
Is there anyone in the public?

168
00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:46,720
I believe the applicant is here.

169
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,600
Would you like to speak on this?

170
00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:51,420
Please come to the podium and state your name.

171
00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:54,460
Hi, I'm Kate Shaw, and I'm the homeowner.

172
00:15:54,460 --> 00:16:01,800
I wanted to actually share, when I received the pictures in the agenda, I did realize that

173
00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,900
the picture of the traffic sight line from in front of my house isn't quite accurate.

174
00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:09,100
It's taken from a few feet prior to the stop sign.

175
00:16:09,580 --> 00:16:13,700
So I wanted to provide pictures, actually directly from the stop sign.

176
00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,520
So you can see the sight line that would potentially affect it.

177
00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,280
If I can share this with you.

178
00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:22,460
I'm going to share with this.

179
00:16:22,460 --> 00:16:25,820
Okay, I don't, I don't know how many of you.

180
00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:33,240
And as comparison, I have actually included a picture

181
00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,600
of other property site lines in the near area,

182
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680
specifically the one directly in front of the city office

183
00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,340
on Yaka.

184
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,160
So you can see a comparable site line for traffic.

185
00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:49,040
As you can see on my property, which is the second page,

186
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,260
you can see about three houses down.

187
00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:52,320
You can see that's demonstrated

188
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,300
because in that picture, you can see my neighbor's trashcan

189
00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:58,200
and then some headlights on the property following it.

190
00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,100
So it has about three properties worth of vision

191
00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,940
from the stop sign in front of my house.

192
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,560
And if you compare that to the significantly

193
00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:09,760
easier stop sign that's directly in front of the city office,

194
00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,060
you can barely see about 50 feet.

195
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,300
I actually couldn't get a picture of a truck

196
00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,680
because it was obstructed by that center block wall

197
00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,780
as well as this flags.

198
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,620
So I just want to clarify that a bit.

199
00:17:27,190 --> 00:17:30,030
So I moved to the High Desert in 1987.

200
00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:32,530
I'm a longtime resident interested in protecting our neighborhood.

201
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:37,830
I bought this house as it was a random property that was literally falling apart inside and out.

202
00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:41,950
It was known as the abandoned house for kids to party in when I was in high school.

203
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:53,750
Upon completion, I took pride in care in this as both the neighborhood home and a short-term rental that people who worked on it,

204
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:57,790
or knowing what care was taken to protect the neighborhood

205
00:17:57,790 --> 00:18:01,410
from any short-term rental noise, et cetera.

206
00:18:02,490 --> 00:18:04,890
This was an active Airbnb for two years.

207
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:09,630
During that time, I had zero noise issues, zero noise complaints,

208
00:18:10,550 --> 00:18:14,490
and generated $25,000 in tax revenue for the city.

209
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:17,530
In the five years of having that fence up,

210
00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:19,090
I've had zero traffic incidents.

211
00:18:19,930 --> 00:18:22,730
During the three years that I had the fence at six feet,

212
00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:24,690
I had zero issues with home safety.

213
00:18:25,130 --> 00:18:27,850
For reference, prior to putting that fence up,

214
00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:32,510
I had about $1,200 of lumber stolen from the backyard,

215
00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:35,990
because there's no way to actually,

216
00:18:36,290 --> 00:18:37,670
there's no backyard on the house.

217
00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:38,530
It's all sideyards.

218
00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:40,650
So if you look at it's a rectangular property

219
00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:43,590
unlike some of the properties that are square in the area.

220
00:18:44,490 --> 00:18:46,710
So from all of the street sides,

221
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:49,210
you can see a hundred percent of my property.

222
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:52,610
So I was stashing some lumber in my backyard

223
00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:57,430
had a thousand dollars stolen since that fence was put up zero issues with that. I did lower

224
00:18:57,430 --> 00:19:02,930
the fence to 5 feet. Honestly, it was just a misunderstanding. My husband lowered the fence

225
00:19:02,930 --> 00:19:08,670
thinking 5 feet was enough. Since then, I've actually run robbed twice. People just

226
00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:12,630
literally hopped over the fence. It's a notable home in the area because it is renovated.

227
00:19:13,870 --> 00:19:19,850
As we all know, there's this like, go back to LA mentality around any homes that are renovated.

228
00:19:19,850 --> 00:19:21,770
So it kind of makes it a target on this.

229
00:19:21,930 --> 00:19:23,950
As it's two story, it's renovated.

230
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:28,150
So I've been broken into twice in the last few months,

231
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:30,090
since I've lowered that fence to even five feet.

232
00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:31,650
I can't even imagine what's going to happen

233
00:19:31,650 --> 00:19:34,410
if I lower even more in people are able to just hop over

234
00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:35,310
that fence.

235
00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:38,050
It makes it, yeah.

236
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:41,890
I submitted about 15 plus pictures of other homes

237
00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:43,890
in the area, not directly across the street,

238
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:46,210
but that are within a two mile radius that

239
00:19:46,210 --> 00:19:47,430
have similar height fences.

240
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:55,150
One notable one, like I submitted again now, is the center block wall just a few feet back off of Yucca, which is roughly in front of the city office.

241
00:19:57,210 --> 00:20:00,710
And, like I explained, you can see the re-houses down on my property.

242
00:20:01,390 --> 00:20:04,510
So, as we can all kind of agree, that site line isn't really compromised.

243
00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:11,330
I say it not to tattle on the center block wall in front of the city, but rather just to provide comparison for safety measures.

244
00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:15,710
The other thing that's unique and notable about my house in addition to being two stories

245
00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:21,050
and on an rectangular lot that you can't provide safety to, there's a public school

246
00:20:21,050 --> 00:20:27,390
bus stop directly in front of my house, directly in sightline of the pool and lounging area.

247
00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:34,070
While this house is a short term long term rental or full-time resident, that fact that there's

248
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:37,090
a full visibility into my property and that there's a pool doesn't change.

249
00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:42,710
kids could still be viewing activities such as drinking, smoking weed, mostly undress people,

250
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:46,470
lounging at the pool. That's not unique to it being a short-term rental, that's just

251
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:52,370
unique to the property. And while these activities are legal, young kids probably shouldn't

252
00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:57,170
be having a direct site line to that activity every day as they're dropped off from the bus

253
00:20:57,170 --> 00:21:00,950
stops, and they believe that the neighbors in the area believe that they feel the same way.

254
00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:06,430
The way my property is uniquely situated, there's no backyard, so lowering this fence provides

255
00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:10,370
100% visibility and there's actually no way to prevent that.

256
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:14,850
All of my immediate neighbors have provided heartfelt letters pleading with you to not force

257
00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:15,650
me to lower the fence.

258
00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:20,710
From affecting the young kids at the bus stop to the neighbor who's property, it's kind

259
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:24,650
of hard to see from the pictures, but the neighbors across the street and elevation, their

260
00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:29,850
houses are hires, so from their living rooms you can see directly into my yard and directly

261
00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:32,250
into my house if there's no fence there.

262
00:21:33,570 --> 00:21:37,910
So, yeah, all of my neighbors would be negatively affected in various ways if this experience is not approved.

263
00:21:38,670 --> 00:21:41,330
Denying this variance handcuffs my ability to use this house.

264
00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:42,230
It wouldn't be usable.

265
00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:44,250
The short-term rental, no one wants to live in it.

266
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,950
As a long-term rental, is zero privacy and zero security.

267
00:21:47,950 --> 00:21:52,510
Despite the immense amount of money and time, I personally invested into renovating it.

268
00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:56,970
Having no privacy and a trucker record of thefts handcuffs me from you can selling the property.

269
00:21:58,130 --> 00:22:01,190
So, for all of these reasons that I implore you to listen to the neighbors,

270
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:03,510
please and provide a proof of the experience.

271
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,640
Thank you.

272
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,440
If any further questions will bring you up and discuss that.

273
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,040
Does anyone else in the public who should speak on this matter?

274
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,360
If I could, sorry, Mike's a little hot.

275
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,300
If I could clarify one thing,

276
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:29,340
the pictures referenced by the applicant are on pages 45 through 59.

277
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,660
I want to take a look at those.

278
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:33,440
That's it.

279
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,260
Say again, move it up.

280
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:42,360
Pages 45 through 59 of the photos that was with our reference by the applicant.

281
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,380
Yes, thank you. We already reviewed those.

282
00:22:46,420 --> 00:22:47,900
Do you guys review those photos?

283
00:22:52,890 --> 00:22:55,450
So, thank you for that.

284
00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:57,550
So, sir, do you want to line the wishes a comment?

285
00:22:58,010 --> 00:23:01,450
No? Okay, we'll close comment and bring it back to the commission.

286
00:23:01,450 --> 00:23:03,750
and I'm going to start with Commissioner Stoke.

287
00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:10,200
So,

288
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,100
thank you for being here.

289
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,340
And I know last time we continued this matter

290
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:24,180
so we could receive and file with the report

291
00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:26,040
letters from your neighbors,

292
00:23:33,460 --> 00:23:34,700
the contradiction

293
00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:40,320
between staff's comments and your thoughts regarding

294
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,220
the validity of a variance.

295
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:54,580
I think speaks to kind of understanding what a variance is for, and just for me, my thought

296
00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:59,140
is that a variance is really, it's really finite in its application.

297
00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:11,010
For lack of a better word, or comment, neighbor's sentiment about what could or couldn't

298
00:24:11,010 --> 00:24:15,390
isn't really one of the criteria for judging of variance.

299
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:17,670
We're not here to think about it.

300
00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:22,050
Like, heartfelt, I don't think it's kind of black and white and laid out for us.

301
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:28,490
So, it's just, it's a tough one.

302
00:24:28,890 --> 00:24:34,170
Even looking at the photos you've provided, because photo speaks volumes,

303
00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:38,930
but it also speaks volumes that your photos showcasing your view down the street,

304
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:42,110
your cars parked five feet over the stop line.

305
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:45,290
And then the photo at the town's office,

306
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:48,570
I can tell it's behind the curvature of the block wall,

307
00:24:49,070 --> 00:24:51,970
where I'm sitting here and I can see that the stop line

308
00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:54,010
for that town thing is in front of that.

309
00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:54,390
That's okay.

310
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:56,090
It's not a question of you.

311
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:57,670
I can tell just by looking at it.

312
00:24:57,810 --> 00:24:58,050
It's okay.

313
00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:03,010
So I look at genuine things,

314
00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,530
and I don't look at things that are just kind of trying

315
00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:12,450
be pulling heartstrings. The other thing that's also interesting in looking at just an overlay

316
00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:18,070
of property lines and a difference that you should probably look into to I think for future

317
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:22,910
is that even your fence in the front yard along Hanford looks to be even over the property line

318
00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:30,230
and not just in the set pack, but realistically it's over the property line looking at the

319
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:35,710
the GIS overlay for properties. Everyone thinks that their property goes all the way to the street

320
00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:41,010
And it's a common thing for everyone in town, they all assume that.

321
00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:47,610
But that property line typically the street is either on one side of where the street could be or the other.

322
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:59,390
In this case, the street is pushed all the way across the street from you and there's a relatively small street and then there's a lot of what you would consider your front yard that is an essence part of the street.

323
00:26:00,070 --> 00:26:01,710
So you might look at that as well.

324
00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:08,030
I did a deep dive looking around at different properties just to see how this one compared

325
00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:14,310
and I drove your neighborhood honestly, every single street I drove up and down La Habra,

326
00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:22,690
Rudo, into the cul-de-sax, and all of these properties are very similar in their topography

327
00:26:22,690 --> 00:26:23,450
and shape.

328
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:30,570
It's a generally down sloping piece of ground from Yucca Trail all the way down to the highway.

329
00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:35,810
And I didn't see anything that was specific to your property that

330
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:40,730
lends itself to topography being an outlier,

331
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:42,790
that would be the rationale for this.

332
00:26:43,490 --> 00:26:48,950
In fact, most of the other fences that I think you referenced,

333
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:55,870
at least one, those could be something that could be a

334
00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:57,330
code enforcement action in the future.

335
00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:08,430
And I don't deny that there's probably lots and lots of fences if you were to drive around and look and find lots of people's fences that are that are not in line with this code.

336
00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:18,810
However, because other people are also doing it wrong, it doesn't mean we should make it make an exception in my mind.

337
00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:21,190
So that's really my comment on that.

338
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:22,350
I have a question for staff.

339
00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:26,450
So how did this one particular instance of this property come

340
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:29,570
to light for bringing to light?

341
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:34,190
So that those executives would want them to cause it very.

342
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:41,450
So in long story short, when we renew the short term vacation

343
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:47,390
rentals or when their building permits are building projects

344
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:50,730
going on, we usually look at kind

345
00:27:50,730 --> 00:27:54,070
of what we'll say is like glaring issues,

346
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:55,690
one's that you can't really ignore.

347
00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:58,770
So very long story short,

348
00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:00,550
I believe the short term rental

349
00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:01,530
came up for renewal,

350
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:04,330
and it also had some building projects going on.

351
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:07,550
The inspectors flagged it,

352
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,530
our administrative staff for short term rentals flagged it.

353
00:28:12,030 --> 00:28:15,310
So it was basically impossible ignore.

354
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:20,330
Which is why all these other ones aren't being brought

355
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:23,770
So that's right now because they haven't been.

356
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:26,190
Otherwise it would be reactive enforcement.

357
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:29,930
So if a neighbor called to complain about offense.

358
00:28:31,010 --> 00:28:31,350
OK.

359
00:28:33,290 --> 00:28:34,150
Commissioner Thomas.

360
00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:38,210
Yeah, excuse me, I'm getting over a little cold.

361
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:39,790
So I've got a voice voice.

362
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:42,510
But a couple of questions.

363
00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:47,090
Did you guys verify whether to commissioners

364
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:54,630
stokers concern if the fence is actually over the property line or is it okay?

365
00:28:56,590 --> 00:29:03,950
I think we need to have a survey to really determine that based on the areas, it's pretty

366
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:04,510
close.

367
00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:05,450
It's right on the edge.

368
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:12,030
So when it comes identifying the exact property line, at least with the tools that we use

369
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:15,310
from the RGIS tools, they're not perfect.

370
00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:22,070
So they might be a couple feet one way or the other, so it's it's close to being on the property line and

371
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:24,310
With as survey, that's kind of the best we could say.

372
00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:29,330
Other question I had was

373
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,280
about this, I don't want to say this, but

374
00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:42,560
How old is this fence? How long ago did this five years?

375
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,920
When did you first apply for a

376
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,320
short term vacation rental permit?

377
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,440
I have applied for a short term vacation rental permit in September of 21.

378
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:59,800
I, before it expired, I guess, two years later.

379
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:10,460
Any three, I applied for the, for the, for the rule. I had no other active building permits pulled. So it was just an attempt to renew my short term rental permit.

380
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:29,880
So is this, is this the third renewal you're doing or the second one still in the first? Because I was required to build a carport that you have to drive through the pool to get to in order to get my short term rental permit. And I've completed that. I was, and a few other things. So I'm still in the process of trying to complete.

381
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:38,560
the checklist. Okay. So when she applied for her first vacation rental permit was this fence flag at that time?

382
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:46,460
No. No. I don't think in long story short at that time we were in this thorough looking at these types of issues.

383
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Okay. And one concern for in her defense I have here is that she does have a pool in the back.

384
00:30:56,620 --> 00:31:07,030
And, you know, we've been, you know, some of the laws regarding pools have to have fences around them and make sure that people can't hop over them.

385
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:14,990
So there might be a legitimate reason to have, at least on that side, a six-point fence.

386
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:21,010
You know, so, but anyway, that's the questions I have right now. I'm still thinking about this.

387
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:24,490
Commissioner Anderson.

388
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:29,150
Yeah, I just had a couple of questions that I want to speak to the applicant,

389
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:32,290
but on packet

390
00:31:32,290 --> 00:31:38,670
page 25, a portion of the fence is located within the clear site triangle.

391
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:45,550
So, and then in your presentation, I think you had said that in the clear site triangle,

392
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:49,670
it couldn't be taller than 30 inches, is that correct?

393
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:53,710
Yes, that's correct.

394
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:58,790
So 30 inches is going to be under 4 feet, right?

395
00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:59,350
Yes.

396
00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:01,610
So that whole corner has to be under 3 feet.

397
00:32:02,290 --> 00:32:07,210
So town staff is identifying this as a public safety hazard at present.

398
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:08,930
Yes, okay.

399
00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:12,390
And then Kate, could I ask you a couple of questions?

400
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:18,090
Number one, thank you for doing such a great job as an Airbnb owner.

401
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:21,830
And investing in the town and doing a great job.

402
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:22,890
I appreciate that.

403
00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:30,270
And I am so, so sorry that you've had thefts on the property and I understand what you're trying to do.

404
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:37,770
As a commission, we have to walk through these issues because when we make decisions like this, we set precedent.

405
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,190
I appreciate you even asking any questions about it.

406
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:42,130
Yeah, and so we set precedent.

407
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:45,950
So clear, clear, line a side issue.

408
00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:47,750
Public safety hazard.

409
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,450
It's got to be under 30 inches.

410
00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:54,930
we get that. Commissioner Thomas brought up a really good point about the pool and the

411
00:32:54,930 --> 00:32:59,170
fence height and I'd love to get staffs opinion on that in a second. But does the pool have a

412
00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:04,550
fence around it in the backyard as well? Or no? There is in a backyard to the house. I mean they're

413
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:13,430
kind of like all side yards. So this is the fence for the pool. Yeah. Okay. And then let's see what else here.

414
00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:18,710
And you said that the fence has been lowered from six to five already? Correct. Yeah and that's when

415
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:21,030
my last two thefts happened.

416
00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:28,090
And so I would just suggest based on those thefts,

417
00:33:28,110 --> 00:33:30,450
and based on some of the other concerns you might have,

418
00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:35,070
that if the ruling requires it to go down to four feet,

419
00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:38,950
and then no more than 30 inches around that curve,

420
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,010
that you might want to contact the sheriff's department,

421
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:45,550
and they have a program called Crime Prevention

422
00:33:45,550 --> 00:33:47,050
through Environmental Design,

423
00:33:47,050 --> 00:33:51,730
And they might be, I'll offer some tips about plants and different things.

424
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:53,830
Unfortunately, I'm not able to plant hedges.

425
00:33:54,230 --> 00:34:07,790
It falls into the same regulation as this fence, so I couldn't, you know, I wasn't saying to, like, raise it. I'm just saying they may have a bunch of different suggestions. So you might just try it just in case that's the ruling, okay?

426
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:15,050
It's definitely felt like a losing battle because all of my neighbors are on my side, like I said, actually two of them have moved there after knowing the house.

427
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:21,250
And so they kind of all keep an eye out whenever I'm not home, whenever my family's not there and still, you know,

428
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:28,610
if a car's parked outside at 1 a.m. the family across the street with a baby isn't going to be up to my house at 1 a.m.

429
00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:32,870
And that kind of brings up another point and this is separate from the fence issue.

430
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:41,190
But you've written it and this has to do and I do not know because I'm not as familiar up to date on this.

431
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:48,070
I do not know if a school bus stop with children present gets a special protection.

432
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:54,170
I know that schools and day care facilities, that there can't be weed smoked within a thousand

433
00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:55,670
feet of them with children present.

434
00:34:56,270 --> 00:35:02,410
I just share that with you out of abundance of caution because you've written it is happened

435
00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:03,230
or may happen.

436
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:03,790
I don't know.

437
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:04,470
I patheticly.

438
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:05,250
I patheticly.

439
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:10,430
I patheticly.

440
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:12,610
And there's active children within feet.

441
00:35:13,090 --> 00:35:14,530
I would be careful of that.

442
00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:15,770
Happy to scrub that from the rock,

443
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:16,710
just say drinking.

444
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:18,410
And I just saw that.

445
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:18,570
I just saw that.

446
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:22,050
It just, it just, kind of a glaring thing for me,

447
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:23,210
just sticking out.

448
00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:24,750
So I just share that with you,

449
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:29,970
because you're a very conscientious owner.

450
00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:32,850
And you don't want no issues like that, which...

451
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:38,430
And in the past, whatever, 18 months or, oh my god,

452
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:40,130
I don't know, however long we've been dealing with this,

453
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:45,150
It's been a mid-term rental. I just had a baby so my family's been staying there. So it's not even

454
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:51,770
actively a short-term rental while this is going on. So it's not even Airbnb guests that I'm

455
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:55,290
kind of protecting right now. It's like, I just saw it and it just kind of stood out. I was like,

456
00:35:55,430 --> 00:36:00,790
hey, if they're doing it routinely and within 10 feet of children, a bunch of them are bus stop,

457
00:36:00,790 --> 00:36:05,170
I would be contacting the school district saying, please move it. I don't want no child and

458
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:09,290
management issues right there. Well, once this fence variance is approved, I'll definitely

459
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:13,230
look into the protection of a bus stop for sure. Thank you for bringing that up.

460
00:36:13,830 --> 00:36:18,890
Yeah. So yeah, I would just say that depending on the ruling, I would contact the sheriff,

461
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:24,890
just to see what the suggestions are around there, and then I thought to them about the break-ins.

462
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:30,350
Yeah. Actually, I had a tweaker jump the fence and fall asleep on the property, which

463
00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:32,890
and they didn't come for about seven hours.

464
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:33,450
Oh, boy.

465
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:37,710
And unfortunately, they're really inundated

466
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:39,170
with probably more important things

467
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:42,490
than the theft of my couches and, you know,

468
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:45,550
the theft of your property is critically important.

469
00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:48,330
To you and to the community, it really is.

470
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:50,210
We don't take this stuff lightly.

471
00:36:50,970 --> 00:36:52,590
Like, that's an important issue.

472
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:54,170
We appreciate you bringing up.

473
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:56,750
And I also appreciate all those letters from your neighbors.

474
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,930
Those were, we get it.

475
00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:03,330
We get it, but I'll throw it back to you guys.

476
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:04,970
I have.

477
00:37:05,090 --> 00:37:06,450
I just have a few questions for you.

478
00:37:09,490 --> 00:37:12,310
Is this your primary residence, this place, this place, this?

479
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:15,890
No, it was for a while, but I live in Lander, so.

480
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:17,770
Okay, so it's not your primary residence.

481
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:24,970
So then, but you said, you've lived in the community since like 1987.

482
00:37:25,350 --> 00:37:25,690
Correct.

483
00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:28,910
Yeah, so I mean, I was reading through a lot of the comments

484
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:29,970
you were having and rethought.

485
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:44,660
Fulls about regarding why you should have the variance of some of them were like to protect against dust or in the traffic, and all of that kind of information that you were saying that transpires in that particular location and why the fence benefits you for being there.

486
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:53,880
I've lived here since 1979, and I know that that intersection in that street is a very heavily traveled location.

487
00:37:55,820 --> 00:38:00,340
and a fence like that isn't going to deter dust from coming on to your property.

488
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:07,460
The location of it and heavily trafficked and even just the location at all.

489
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:07,860
I mean,

490
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,180
I would have hoped that when you were looking at purchasing this property to have an

491
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:21,040
Airbnb that you would have, you'd done your research to say, like, okay, is there, what could

492
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,180
happen here, they could cause an issue for us in the future in regards to crime or regards

493
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:30,600
to bus or foot traffic or vehicle traffic or anything along those lines.

494
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:37,020
The other question I have for you is I see in the photos that and I haven't driven by this

495
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:42,180
place many, many times stopped at the stop sign, stopped on ultimacy looking down, what is

496
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:42,660
it on?

497
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:43,800
Hanford.

498
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Hanford.

499
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:45,220
Looking north.

500
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:52,440
And there's always what appears to be a gate that's open, is that stationary or does that

501
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:52,860
close?

502
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:53,800
It closes.

503
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,660
So every time I drive and pass, it's always wide open, and I have to draw even further

504
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:03,940
out into the intersection because of the trees and because of the fencing, to be able to

505
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:09,820
get a clear view down the road and up the road so that I can see if there's a, if I can cross

506
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:16,260
Because it is a heavily trafficked area and even though the speed limit says there's 25 miles an hour at least that link for the last time

507
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:20,260
I said I checked no one goes 25 miles an hour up that street

508
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,840
so

509
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:29,680
Those are the concerns that I have is more of a public safety kind of standpoint because of even though I know you have your letters from your neighbors

510
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,140
And I appreciate all of that

511
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:36,620
I appreciate your your the support that you have and you sound like you're a good neighbor to them and then they they're supportive of you

512
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:41,980
and of that kind of information that they provided for us to make our decision, I'm kind

513
00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:46,140
of in the Greens here with Commissioner Stoker about like the general public's information,

514
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,660
it's not kind of like what we base a variance is on, it's moral belonging, the cutting

515
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:59,440
dry of what what a variance, what we utilize a variance for and if we were to allow a variance

516
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,360
for something like this, if it sets a precedent for other variances along the way and that's

517
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,000
I have more of a concern in words to like this whole matter.

518
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:14,500
I'm happy to address both of those concerns that you've brought up.

519
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:21,580
Among the first concern of why wasn't I a better real estate investor and look at every code on that property?

520
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,600
I'm not a seasoned real estate investor. I'm the daughter of a construction worker.

521
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:30,860
This is my first house and I was just trying to protect my house by putting up a fence on it.

522
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,380
Growing up in the high desert, it was a very different place and so while I have been here,

523
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:42,260
sure I flitted off around the country in the world for a few years, you know, the town changes.

524
00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:50,440
So while I have known that property and, you know, that neighborhood since I was four or whatever,

525
00:40:51,780 --> 00:40:54,020
I apparently am just a bad real estate investor.

526
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:04,620
You know, as far as that gate, it was just a happenstance decision to have it swing open.

527
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:12,160
The other side of that vent actually swings in, and that's an absolute quick fix that I'd be happy to do if that is the site line concern.

528
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,260
Yeah, there are questions.

529
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:20,160
You make this comment that all your whole entire lot is a side lot.

530
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,780
And it's clearly, I mean, there's no backyard to your property.

531
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,940
And I get what you're trying to interpret that.

532
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:34,180
that ultimately still you look at it and it's not really, you know, the pools in really

533
00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:38,940
in the backyard or wherever you say, but you definitely would do have some clear lines

534
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:44,460
of a backyard rear property in regards to like the eastern property line and the southern

535
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:50,380
property line that, you know, contain your property in regards to, you know, saying that you

536
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:54,460
don't have a backyard kind of a situation.

537
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000
But I'm trying to think where was I going to go with that aspect?

538
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:04,710
I don't know.

539
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:08,230
I do appreciate you coming in.

540
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:10,190
And all the information you did, a lot of legwork,

541
00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:14,990
given a lot of information in regards to providing us photos,

542
00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:20,230
providing us other locations to consider why we should help with the variance

543
00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:28,790
and you know, in your concerns and your neighbor's concerns, so thank you, I think we're going to discuss it amongst those.

544
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:49,390
Another, actually question for you real quickly. So I mean, looking at it, any of the fence that in

545
00:42:50,210 --> 00:43:02,690
The fixed might be pulling back that angled piece of fence farther back in between the trees that you have there, which I think, because I've walked this house like a whole bunch of times.

546
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:05,910
And you're a daughter of a contractor, a son of a contractor.

547
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:11,650
I've walked the same house with like 30 different people that were looking to buy it when it was for sale.

548
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:14,530
Back in 21, sorry.

549
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:16,210
You were one of them? I walked with you?

550
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:20,310
I was like, I was like, holy moly tractor, I just had understood.

551
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:22,590
I don't face time in a stream.

552
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:25,350
Yeah, so I think if you were to pull that back

553
00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:28,650
in that clear site triangle in quite a bit,

554
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:30,510
that would solve a lot of the problem.

555
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:34,550
And then how far back with the fence

556
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:38,070
need to be pulled on a side yard to maintain six feet?

557
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:40,150
What is her current side yard setback?

558
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:43,290
I believe the strike me if I'm wrong, I believe

559
00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:52,970
I believe this street side setback is 25 feet on Altamesa and in the front setback on hand for this 50 feet per truck map.

560
00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:54,870
So it would basically be at the house.

561
00:43:55,430 --> 00:44:00,410
So it would have to put a little bit of fence in the middle of the pool in order to hit that setback.

562
00:44:01,090 --> 00:44:03,750
And I think that's absolute great idea for us moving this side.

563
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:06,970
I think getting that sideline back to get you out of the 30 inch area.

564
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:14,090
And then if it was me, I think I would pull that down to 4 feet, leave the posts, and do something you can see through above it.

565
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:17,790
And it would break up the monotony of a whole bunch of corrugated.

566
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:23,490
And it's something other people that I think have been trying to wrestle with this same ordinance.

567
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:26,810
In fact, one of them I think you would take a picture of at one point.

568
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:30,970
Have done to get around that.

569
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:37,110
That that code is having another something you can see through whether it's some sort of a lattice

570
00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:42,230
You type of thing on the top not necessarily a lattice because maybe not the nicest looking thing

571
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:48,190
What some horizontal strips of wood or something that allow for a package of 52 is that correct?

572
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:52,570
Yeah, thank you. So address you're really good idea about pulling the fence back and

573
00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:58,630
Jared and I discussed that a while ago unfortunately just one woman tape one wonderful thing about the property

574
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:59,970
But limitation is that it has

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Um, mature olive trees. Um, and as you guys know, mature olive trees range from about $10, $15,000.

576
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,020
In order to, um, move that fence back, I would have to cut down, I think, three or four of them.

577
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,780
I don't think, I, I, I, I, I'm looking at, you can almost angle right through and make it and get out of the clear side triangle.

578
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:26,740
I, I might be something worth looking at and I, I know that going back a long time, because I've also, we're all lifers here, we're in some of us.

579
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:30,700
I knew someone that lived here, and that's why they planted all those olive trees is

580
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:36,140
because of headlights coming down Hamburg, because it used to be the thoroughfare before

581
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:41,700
Avalan took over, so that was the direction to get to Yucca Trail.

582
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,540
That might be a thing.

583
00:45:43,820 --> 00:45:44,960
One other question for you.

584
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:47,580
So you did your pool in what you're 21 then?

585
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:48,160
Yeah.

586
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,100
And when you did your pool, if you remember, I don't know if you do,

587
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:56,440
but if you don't have an immediate fence around the pool,

588
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,280
Do you have an immediate fence around the pool?

589
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:58,700
No.

590
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,180
This is the one.

591
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Right, but this one can't be the one, because it has an open front gate.

592
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,240
And those gates don't automatically close.

593
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,360
So that wouldn't be one of your life-saving,

594
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,120
you know, one of your avenues to save lives around a pool.

595
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,680
You would have to have to have done other ones.

596
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Do you have a life-saving buoy in the pool then?

597
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:21,780
I do when it's not too windy.

598
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:22,340
Right.

599
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:24,100
I know the buoy goes crazy.

600
00:46:24,460 --> 00:46:26,840
So you have a buoy and then do you have something else to do?

601
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:33,520
cover? The alarms on the house? The alarms on the house but there would have been an immediate

602
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:39,960
fence that has an automatic closure that has a chain link or equivalent of a certain height

603
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:46,380
around the pool and this fence in my opinion as a contractor couldn't be that fence because it

604
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:52,440
doesn't have an automatic closure on that front gate. So I don't think this fence is part of your pool

605
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:58,320
safety plan when a when that plan was approved. You would have probably had to choose two other ones.

606
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:04,600
The booby being one, which is very common. A lot of other ones would be alarms, but if you have a

607
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,940
alarms on the house that part of the fence, then you have to have another fence to get to your fence from

608
00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:16,640
house to fence, house to fence with gates that automatically closed. So I know that this can't be that.

609
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,780
But I'm just curious if there was another avenue for that and then you were talking about a carport

610
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:25,480
I don't see it on your overview. I didn't look over the fancy.

611
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,080
I got to drive through the pool to get to the carport that I built.

612
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,140
But what was the carport for? Just to...

613
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:33,960
It's because the garage doors no longer worked.

614
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:37,800
So again, this is my fault. I put sliding glass doors on them.

615
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:39,300
Oh, you converted the garage door to...

616
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:40,120
Yeah, and I did too.

617
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,420
Garage was already, I guess, converted it except for the doors.

618
00:47:44,380 --> 00:47:45,780
So I just kind of finished the job.

619
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:52,940
So I was under the impression that it had been permitted appropriately, but in order to apply

620
00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:55,620
for my short-term rental permit, covered parking.

621
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:57,800
Yeah, I understand.

622
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,680
And the only place that was permitted was behind the pool.

623
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:08,600
So it turns it into an essence of patio, but it satisfies the requirement, which is the $20,000

624
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,000
on use of all car park.

625
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Well, I get you.

626
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,100
Yeah.

627
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:16,340
So I mean, that's, again, and not to speak to all a hundred of things, but like, those are

628
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:20,840
the kind of things that I think you learn along the way when all of us do, when we

629
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,880
purchase a piece of property, it's understand that, oh, shoot somebody did something, and

630
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,940
it was not permitted, and if we continue to run with it, sometimes it comes back to bite

631
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:30,400
us.

632
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,580
Myself included, I've been the bear of those same kinds of things.

633
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,800
So that makes more sense that the garage that was there was, was converted, and then this

634
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,560
was to kind of replace that parking requirement.

635
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:47,540
And there really wasn't a place because of the 50-foot front

636
00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:51,200
set back, 25-foot side that there was no other land left.

637
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,980
So there were the place that people use for parking.

638
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,760
The only usable spot for parking is in the front set back.

639
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,140
So you'll be used for the cover cover.

640
00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:58,620
Right.

641
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Like through the pool.

642
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:01,160
Sure, sure.

643
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,020
By the cover of parking.

644
00:49:02,260 --> 00:49:02,560
Right.

645
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:06,420
Well, yeah, it's a car port by name, but not by function.

646
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:06,900
I understand.

647
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,140
OK.

648
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,140
Well, that makes a lot more sense.

649
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:12,420
So thank you for that.

650
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,550
Yeah, I just wanted to know, was the pool constructed before or after the fence?

651
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:23,260
You know, that's a great question.

652
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:27,160
I think the pool is constructed before the fence.

653
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:36,320
And so, Jared, if Commissioner Stoker brought up a good point about this fence that's around

654
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:42,480
the property, if that doesn't meet the safety requirements for a fence around a pool,

655
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,500
What does, what is the height of the fence around the pool?

656
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,860
My point being is if we say yes, let's lower this one, but then the fence around the pool,

657
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:57,480
I don't know, or maybe shank and those are two completely separate questions.

658
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:04,000
You're dealing with two totally separate standards established both by your zoning codes and

659
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,560
the California building codes.

660
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:11,440
The property owners responsible to ensure safety of the swimming pool area and those

661
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,100
Fencing standards that are applicable.

662
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,460
Those Fencing standards do not change or affect

663
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:19,520
your development code standards for Fencing heights.

664
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:21,720
Two totally separate issues.

665
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,600
It's a property owner's responsibility to comply with both.

666
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:28,640
And they can't be considered together.

667
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:30,020
The pool is one issue.

668
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:32,880
Compliment with the building codes for the pool is one issue.

669
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,840
Fencing standards in a front-step back area

670
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,440
are a totally separate issue.

671
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:40,540
Don't know if that answers your question or not.

672
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:52,640
It does, but that's the property owners responsibility and there's multiple ways for a property owner to address that issue that don't include the fence that's a part of the bearings before you see many options.

673
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:56,730
Thank you.

674
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:01,700
I'm done.

675
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,800
I have no other questions.

676
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,100
Same.

677
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,780
We like to discuss this matter in further between ourselves.

678
00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:20,700
So I'm going to ask if I may Mr. Chairman and staff chime in here, not just for the folks

679
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:25,640
that are attending this evening, but anybody that may watch this on video after.

680
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,340
So what is a variance by our code, as well as by state law?

681
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:38,040
A variance is deviation from a rule, or maybe a set of rules, which is applicable to every

682
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
property in that zoning district.

683
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:51,220
So, Evan or Jared, the zoning district here is single family residential RS, RS2, or just RS.

684
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,040
Anyway, so let's just say it's RS2.

685
00:51:55,540 --> 00:52:01,460
The fencing standards in RS2 apply the same to every property in that zone.

686
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,220
And what the state law in our development code say is in order to deviate from that standard.

687
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:14,520
There has to be a physical, characteristic of your property that makes you different from every

688
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,120
other property in that zone.

689
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:24,400
It's not the traffic, it's not your pool, it's not your trees, and I'm not being specific

690
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,920
to this property owner, I'm trying to set an example so people understand how the commission

691
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:48,280
Can make a decision for a variance? That decision has to be based upon number one, facts on the record, and the facts have to pertain to the physical characteristics of the property, the typography, the geography, the shape of the law, those types of things.

692
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,820
So, what staff is presented to you this evening are facts,

693
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:56,420
that in staff's opinion, there's no physical differences

694
00:52:56,420 --> 00:53:01,080
of this property compared to other properties in the immediate vicinity,

695
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:05,100
in the RS2 zone, that would support a variance.

696
00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:09,160
And for a variance application that comes before you,

697
00:53:09,340 --> 00:53:13,320
whether it's building height, structure size, any of those types

698
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,540
of things that's same standard, and that same approach applies.

699
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:23,780
And it's a hard decision-making process because do we want to help out?

700
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,460
Do we sit here and want to help people that have problems with traffic?

701
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:36,740
Because we all know, Hanford is probably a 50 mile an hour road and it's got traffic on

702
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:38,340
all the time.

703
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Crime, theft, vagrancy, homelessness, all of those issues that affect every community in

704
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,900
for you today. In effect, Jacob Valley property owners as well. But in this particular case,

705
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:58,000
the commissions hands are guided in your decision-making process is guided. My state laws

706
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,620
will as your code on how you make that decision and that decision is guided by are there physical

707
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:10,960
characteristics of that property that differentiate it in order to support a variance and staff

708
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,100
at least feel free to chime in if there's any other issues that you would like to raise for the

709
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:22,420
mission this evening. Thank you so much Shane. That's a very clear and decisive comment on how the

710
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:28,540
he's variants this should be looked at. And in recent memory of the variants is that we have

711
00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:35,000
approved that this commission has approved in the last two years. You know, I can think of one

712
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:42,720
and the one that we did approve was based on the topography of the law that caused it to have to

713
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,620
have variance in order for it to work.

714
00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:48,700
I

715
00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:55,090
want to have a recommendation here for this

716
00:54:58,610 --> 00:54:59,750
solution here.

717
00:55:03,010 --> 00:55:03,950
I can make one.

718
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:13,030
I'll make a recommendation that we find the project on the item 09-25

719
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:16,410
that we find in the project is exempt from sequa.

720
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:27,350
And as two variants zero two dash two five that we deny the variants for the height limit and for the

721
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:33,260
and for exceeding the clear side triangle.

722
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:33,820
We

723
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:37,950
have a second on that question.

724
00:55:38,290 --> 00:55:39,890
Yeah, second it.

725
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:40,840
Your roll call please.

726
00:55:43,090 --> 00:55:43,830
Commissioners.

727
00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:44,870
Henderson.

728
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:45,790
Yes.

729
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:46,750
The stoker.

730
00:55:47,410 --> 00:55:47,530
Yes.

731
00:55:47,850 --> 00:55:48,150
Thomas.

732
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:49,230
Yes.

733
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:50,650
in solos? Yes.

734
00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:54,510
One, two,

735
00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:08,910
item. So that was a closure of the public hearing. Is that correct?

736
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:19,030
Moving on to, yeah. Now we're different. There's item three. Is item three supposed to be in the hearing or in Department of Sports for item three?

737
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:24,550
Is that correct? Okay. Yes. So we're moving on to Department of Sports item three.

738
00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:31,330
Status for you, temporary residential special events permit for SPL003-25 at 588689

739
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:32,310
Akatio Drive.

740
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:33,550
Staff report, please.

741
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:36,090
Thank you, Chair and Commissioners.

742
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:41,450
The recommendation for this item is that the planning commission receives and files the

743
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:49,070
status review for temporary residential special event permit 03-25 located at 588689 Akatio

744
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:55,970
drive. The planning commission may recall last year that they held two meetings and received

745
00:56:55,970 --> 00:57:01,830
public comments on July 8th and August 12th. Those meeting minutes are attached to the staff

746
00:57:01,830 --> 00:57:10,170
report for those dates. This is an update. So very briefly, the proposed application for class

747
00:57:10,170 --> 00:57:17,130
to temporary residential special events at the property was withdrawn as of December 17, 2025.

748
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:22,750
The applicant has chosen to move forward with a class one, exempt temporary residential

749
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:29,190
special event within the approvals of their temporary short term vacation rental permit.

750
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:35,250
Daytime occupancy limit of 16 guests and that does not require any separate permitting from

751
00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:37,010
the temporary short term vacation rental.

752
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:42,710
I'm also following up on the Planning Commission's prior request at their July 8 meeting

753
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:48,430
that we summarize any code enforcement action related to the property and I provided a table that

754
00:57:48,430 --> 00:57:54,830
summarizes those. Just to note, for those cases that were open, they have all been closed

755
00:57:54,830 --> 00:58:00,950
and for those other complaints that did not result in an open code case. Those were also

756
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:08,350
investigated and addressed. Some with no violations observed and some directed to contact

757
00:58:08,350 --> 00:58:13,010
the Sheriff's Department for, for example, private property trust pass concerns.

758
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:19,150
I've provided a full list of attachments to the most current submittals from the applicant

759
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:26,610
on this project and prior public comments received and as I said previously, the prior planning

760
00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:32,630
commission meeting minutes and also the first set of meeting minutes from the staff hearing

761
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:34,470
that was originally held on the project.

762
00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:41,550
So, once again, the recommendation for this item is to receive and file these status review

763
00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:45,410
and staff is ill for any questions following public comment.

764
00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:46,990
Thank you.

765
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:50,830
Is there anyone in the public that wishes to make a comment on this?

766
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:51,750
Anyone online?

767
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:57,850
I'll close public comment to bring it back to staff or to the Commission Commissioner Thomas.

768
00:58:57,850 --> 00:59:00,450
Give me no questions of this type.

769
00:59:00,450 --> 00:59:01,530
Can we come back?

770
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:02,950
No.

771
00:59:03,070 --> 00:59:03,730
Mr. Stoker?

772
00:59:04,890 --> 00:59:05,090
Nope.

773
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:06,930
Mr. Ford.

774
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:09,790
Can we get a motion to receive in file please?

775
00:59:10,310 --> 00:59:11,770
I'll make a motion to receive in file.

776
00:59:12,490 --> 00:59:13,070
All second.

777
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:15,150
We'll call please.

778
00:59:15,610 --> 00:59:16,630
Commissioner's Henderson?

779
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:17,430
Yes.

780
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:17,990
Stoker?

781
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:18,570
Yes.

782
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:18,990
Thomas?

783
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:21,030
Chairvass Consolos?

784
00:59:22,850 --> 00:59:23,170
Yes.

785
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:32,910
Sorry, all right, moving on to item 4, exterior color change, EC01-26, L-Poyoloco, staff report, please.

786
00:59:35,290 --> 00:59:36,750
Thank you, your chair and commission.

787
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:46,850
This item is EC01-26 for L-Poyoloco, located at 580-1220 in Palms Highway, the former Pizza Hut location.

788
00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:53,910
The recommendation is that the planning commission approves EC01-26 in application to change exterior color.

789
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:58,510
the commercial structure located at 5-8-01220 in Palm's Highway,

790
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:59,790
APN-060.

791
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,840
1, 4, 0, 2, 1, 7, based upon the information contained within the staff report.

792
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:14,660
This is just to show you just from Google what the prior pizza had, the sod appeared as.

793
01:00:16,830 --> 01:00:28,070
This is the other side of it, and this is to also show you the first submittal from El Poelloco as to their design.

794
01:00:28,070 --> 01:00:32,470
prior to conversation with staff to submit an exterior color change.

795
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:39,210
Staff did follow up with the applicant providing them with a copy of our commercial design guidelines for their review

796
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:47,870
and give them direction that they're welcome to suggest alternatives from this design to the planning commission

797
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:50,970
or they can file this design with the planning commission for review.

798
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,480
This is the current proposal after reviewing our commercial design guidelines

799
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:08,160
So you can see that a lot of the colors are much more dark or muted compared to the brighter colors in the last few slides.

800
01:01:10,550 --> 01:01:13,270
And this is from a couple other sides of the buildings.

801
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:13,830
I apologize.

802
01:01:14,290 --> 01:01:20,310
I think we might have missed a scan of the original submittal on this side of the building,

803
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:24,250
but it is similar in colors to that other elevation.

804
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:30,360
Once again, the recommendation is that the Planning Commission approves EC01-26.

805
01:01:31,070 --> 01:01:34,190
An application to change the exterior colors of the commercial structure.

806
01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:37,270
Located at 58012 Tornex Homes Highway.

807
01:01:37,790 --> 01:01:40,610
Baseball and the information contained within the staff report.

808
01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:46,290
I'll just add, as there are two items here.

809
01:01:46,490 --> 01:01:52,190
It's open for the Commission's discussion in deliberation on which color scheme may be appropriate

810
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:55,090
or recommend it for your approval.

811
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:57,110
And I believe we do have the applicant,

812
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:59,210
available, or available for questions,

813
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:00,530
following public comment.

814
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:03,470
Thank you.

815
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:05,150
Is there any on the public that wishes

816
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:06,490
and I make a comment on this?

817
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:07,770
Is the applicant wish to speak?

818
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:12,350
He's available online if you guys have any questions for him.

819
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:13,870
Thank you.

820
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:16,490
So no one in the public wishes this week.

821
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:19,390
Let's bring it back to the submission.

822
01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:21,990
And that started with her Henderson.

823
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:26,830
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited for this project.

824
01:02:26,890 --> 01:02:29,090
I really am.

825
01:02:30,750 --> 01:02:31,790
I've, it's a restaurant.

826
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:35,750
I've always, was hoping, would come up to Yucca Valley.

827
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:41,810
So as far as Evan, you said that we're

828
01:02:41,810 --> 01:02:45,450
supposed to give a recommendation on which color scheme we like.

829
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:57,010
Oh, let the designers speak to maybe their preference, but we wanted to provide you with both their original

830
01:02:57,010 --> 01:03:03,890
submittal and design and the alternative that they later submitted after a very unique commercial design guidelines.

831
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:07,970
Yeah, I don't have any questions on it.

832
01:03:08,110 --> 01:03:10,950
I mean, I like either one's good.

833
01:03:16,020 --> 01:03:18,880
I'm curious to know which one I'll play a local prefers.

834
01:03:20,190 --> 01:03:25,190
But we get the applicant online and can we ask them which color scheme they prefer?

835
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:27,710
Yes, hi.

836
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:29,230
Hi, I'm James Sam.

837
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:31,930
I am the applicant in the art of the director.

838
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:25,780
Which one of these did you actually prefer?

839
01:04:26,060 --> 01:04:26,940
I think the first one.

840
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,140
The first one?

841
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,660
Yeah, the first one.

842
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:32,220
The first one is from the brand.

843
01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:33,060
Okay.

844
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:38,860
Yeah, and you guys say either one is okay or no?

845
01:04:41,540 --> 01:04:55,340
The proposal provided by the applicant, the alternate with darker colors, is technically more consistent with the color palette provided in the commercial design guidelines.

846
01:04:56,180 --> 01:05:05,700
However, the commercial design guidelines do not limit the commission's discretion to ensure quality design for buildings in the community.

847
01:05:06,220 --> 01:05:07,780
So it is open for the commission's discussion.

848
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:11,040
Mr. Man, how are you?

849
01:05:12,780 --> 01:05:17,800
Quick, quick question for you because I don't see all four building elevations.

850
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:25,580
In your proposed renovated south elevation on your first proposed design,

851
01:05:25,780 --> 01:05:31,380
that I would say has a larger gradient section of signage.

852
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:38,180
It looks like each of those sections of color is delineated by what?

853
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,320
Like a piece of frimetal, is that like architectural detail?

854
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:52,910
And then, yeah, okay, and then with that architectural element, where the sign sits on

855
01:05:52,910 --> 01:06:06,030
that proposed version change in elevation, in regards to the adjacent wall face, do you understand

856
01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:06,730
what I'm saying?

857
01:06:07,550 --> 01:06:16,130
They have a design that is called the Fire Tower, where I think they're trying to show

858
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:24,950
the different fire levels or spice levels of things and so they're using that as a backdrop

859
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:33,670
for signage and they prefer to that main entrance side, so it's really just on that.

860
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:41,210
And I'm just trying to understand architecturally with your vision for that section, would that

861
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:47,550
be proud of the existing wall to the right of it?

862
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:48,990
Or is that on the same plane?

863
01:06:49,730 --> 01:06:50,610
No, it's on the same plane.

864
01:06:51,310 --> 01:06:54,690
So I'm just trying to see, typically, if you

865
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:56,170
look at our commercial design guidelines,

866
01:06:56,650 --> 01:07:00,070
changes in color, also kind of an architectural,

867
01:07:00,070 --> 01:07:03,410
I think all architects, you're probably not

868
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:05,610
to different tend to change colors

869
01:07:05,610 --> 01:07:09,430
when building elements change elevation or depth.

870
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:19,200
So, having all those colors just stop on a straight line on the same wall face doesn't

871
01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:25,380
just doesn't feel right there, and as I was trying to understand, I couldn't quite see it on

872
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:25,820
a different.

873
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,540
It's a different carpet height for that adjacent.

874
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,880
Right. And that gets me to my second thing, and I understand where you're, what you're not, I was where it stopped.

875
01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:44,440
Yeah, we're looking at building colors, not necessarily the paraport height, and that gets me to my second thing.

876
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:59,000
Is this going to come back for some other sort of architectural review staff for the changes in elevation, because it seems like the entire paraport all the way around is changing like we're creating a whole

877
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:08,700
other block in essence on the east side as well that we had the stream of mechanical equipment.

878
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:19,290
So is that something also that this would be the commercial design review process.

879
01:08:20,310 --> 01:08:23,590
So this is not just exterior color change, but also the architecture elements.

880
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:25,610
Because what's the change in height?

881
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:29,150
The existing photo of the south facing.

882
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:33,450
I'll share it, so you can look at what I'm looking at.

883
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:44,070
So I just see a big change in kind of almost making that pitched tile roof section, kind

884
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:50,470
of almost pale in comparison to the adjacent large parapet wall for lack of a better word.

885
01:08:50,730 --> 01:08:54,950
And how much higher is that thing pushing than where it is existing currently?

886
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:55,930
The

887
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:15,280
parapet is only going up maybe a couple of feet, basically the existing systems no longer comply with code, and we're not going to be sufficient for the cooling of the building.

888
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:25,940
So there's several things that have changed in code, and we were complying with screening everything as we had to, for all of our rooftop equipment.

889
01:09:25,940 --> 01:09:33,120
So because there's more rooftop equipment, that's the reason that Ruf area group and it is the front elevation

890
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:43,140
What I would consider the south elevation also growing in height the front elevation really I don't think that really did

891
01:09:43,580 --> 01:09:49,760
It might have grown a little bit. Well, yeah, actually I guess it I kind of wrote a little bit just I feel like it grew as well

892
01:09:49,760 --> 01:10:10,460
So, I just, yeah, the only thing that worries me from an architectural standpoint is just this feeling like the original building just gets sucked up by a really big cube now, and that's my one look at that.

893
01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:25,660
I do really like personally the larger gradient if that architecture element came off of the wall slightly to where it returned back and died into another adjacent color I think for me would feel better.

894
01:10:25,660 --> 01:10:43,820
I don't just like the burgundy color on the second version, like the tone down red, as an alternate color for that section of building personally, where I think those two could kind of marry together and make one that was a hybrid of both.

895
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:54,360
I like the populous of utilizing some of the brighter colors as accent pieces rather than the main focal wall.

896
01:10:54,360 --> 01:11:05,640
And I think the signage part of the top one, whatever the fire thing, fire thingy on the first one.

897
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:22,420
And then you would use the colors over the other one because I do think that that's something we've been trying to shy away from as a commission is having entire buildings or entire sections of buildings be one bright color, which is looked at to be more of an accent,

898
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:29,420
which I think was utilized really well in, like, the murals that were installed at

899
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:34,960
Mahave Gold and some of the other buildings in town where they've utilized some really

900
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:41,080
nice bright colors but in a more, more of an accent type of thing.

901
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:47,140
Even to go as commercialist Carl's Jr. toned down the amount of red on the outside of the building

902
01:11:47,140 --> 01:11:48,800
to be less.

903
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,180
But I do like it in regards to that signage.

904
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,100
So that's my personal thought there.

905
01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:59,100
But I would like to see some maybe some architectural element

906
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,940
come off of the building slightly to house that fire

907
01:12:03,940 --> 01:12:08,120
whatever nugget to where it doesn't sit on the same plane

908
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,820
as the parapet adjacent.

909
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,480
I don't know if that's something that's integrated.

910
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:16,820
Currently it's just signage and it's signage panels.

911
01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:24,500
So when we dropped it back from what the original presentation was, where it was that whole

912
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:27,620
parapet wall, like now it's just signage panels.

913
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:34,200
And so that will sit slightly, you know, probably two inches above the surface of what

914
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:35,880
the rest of the parapet wall is.

915
01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:41,550
This color.

916
01:12:42,330 --> 01:12:50,870
And yeah, I get you, and I like the one in the first submittal, but I guess if the color

917
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:57,110
changes happened proud of the adjacent wall to the right that would feel like architecturally

918
01:12:57,110 --> 01:13:04,630
it has somewhere to die, you know? Or maybe that's, is that all panels, that's not all panels

919
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:07,430
if you do it the other way. That's hat channel in Stucco.

920
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:13,030
Yeah, it's just touch channel in Stucco. It's a build, it's it's included with the building

921
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:19,450
of the wall. So like I said, if architecturally that could come out a little bit and have

922
01:13:19,450 --> 01:13:24,930
leaf on the right-hand side, then it would be its own kind of element that sits out in front.

923
01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:28,190
You're saying you're saying it's just all the same thing and just stops, right?

924
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:36,810
Yeah, you paint stops, I mean even if it's only two inches it's still accomplishes a

925
01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:42,050
thing of not changing colors on a flat surface, which you don't have that, you don't have

926
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:46,910
that for me, you don't have that anywhere else on the building where a color change is

927
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:51,490
flat surface that I can see. You need their design.

928
01:13:53,740 --> 01:13:56,000
Yes, that's correct. The other thing is

929
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:02,800
you have some sparing use of either burgundy or red as kind of like a accent color around

930
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:09,300
the front half of the building. Personally, I'd like to see that consistently applied around the back

931
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:14,380
side of the building as well where that that's my personal opinion.

932
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:31,760
The color band is a different, there's a different tenant, so the second part will be a tenant space, and so that's the reason we have a continued sort of sort of what ended up being our brand new colors.

933
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,660
Understood, I didn't know. It was two.

934
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:35,020
I'm sorry.

935
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:46,740
Right, and the, and the, the banding that's there right now is a, is like a, a stucko build out band that's on there. So we're just, we're essentially just painting it.

936
01:14:46,740 --> 01:14:50,400
Yeah, you're living a blank for someone else. I understand that that makes sense too.

937
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:54,460
So what would you put looking at looking ahead?

938
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:57,240
Now that we know this is two tenants not one.

939
01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:59,980
Where would you foresee another tenant having there?

940
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:06,280
Signage, if there was a second tenant in the building, or what's the plan for that type of space, what would the use be?

941
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:18,880
They would, I mean, they would have to properly be something almost monument, or a small wallside, the door towards the rear.

942
01:15:18,940 --> 01:15:24,200
If you look at the renovated east side elevation, the storefront door towards the run.

943
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,980
is an art town.

944
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:33,680
But I do like the color scheme of the first one.

945
01:15:34,140 --> 01:15:36,540
But I think what Commissioner Stoker says,

946
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:40,160
the separation between the science self-popping out

947
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,360
on the south side and not just a continuation of change.

948
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,140
Like it just like a change of color,

949
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:47,300
I think it would make it the building one better,

950
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:49,340
it would make it pop out more like it's an actual,

951
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:50,400
like almost like a sign name.

952
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,360
I think the applicant did say that it's going to pop out

953
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,060
about two inches just as it is.

954
01:15:55,060 --> 01:15:58,620
right now, but that's only on this one.

955
01:15:59,540 --> 01:16:01,000
Oh, I thought it was on that one.

956
01:16:01,140 --> 01:16:05,140
No, the one that just assigned itself would pop out for it, it was a sign,

957
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:08,140
but, I mean,

958
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:16,240
I'm for either option really, like I don't, I think I'm in line with everybody like it.

959
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,020
This is either colors that would be fine for me.

960
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:23,860
Yeah, I would just say that, you know, beauties in the eye of the whole,

961
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:30,800
And either way, I'm really happy that they're building it and they're putting it in

962
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:31,840
either one looks great.

963
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:39,300
Look, I've been around in other areas and seeing these new, like, stylings of

964
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:43,680
El Poel Loco and how they really catch the eye and they look nice, they look definitely

965
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:51,840
look nicer with this kind of color scheme than the old style yellow, almost like just normal.

966
01:16:51,840 --> 01:17:09,780
I got it all. Mission, almost like almost like a old mission, Taco Bell kind of theme, but I do like them when I see these newer styles and they do catch your eye and I think that they're, you know, it wouldn't be too horrible to have.

967
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:12,600
No, I don't think so within the community. I think it's great.

968
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:15,140
Commissioner Henderson just wants to know when they're open.

969
01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:21,240
No, I just think that when it comes down to it, I don't want to pick for the applicant.

970
01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:27,760
To me, either one is fine, I might prefer one over the other, I don't want to influence that.

971
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:32,160
Either color choice, ultimately, I'm okay with either one of them.

972
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:39,840
I don't want to put, as it comes from my influence and say, you should go with this one because I prefer this one.

973
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:42,500
I think either one from myself will be fine.

974
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:44,480
That's it.

975
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:47,220
So.

976
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,640
But I'm not opposed to anybody else's opinion either.

977
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,840
That's what it comes down to.

978
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:54,480
Yeah.

979
01:18:02,170 --> 01:18:04,150
I think we just go ahead and approve it.

980
01:18:08,220 --> 01:18:13,900
Would the staff like a specific recommendation of which scheme do you?

981
01:18:14,020 --> 01:18:18,720
We would need to know at the center of the answer, I think, on the two.

982
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:26,900
I believe from our understanding with this conversation is that the applicant prefers the lighter color scheme with the

983
01:18:27,980 --> 01:18:29,580
the fire situation.

984
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,840
So I think that's their preferred alternative.

985
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:37,020
Yeah.

986
01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:39,360
I mean, I'm fine with it.

987
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:39,760
I'm too.

988
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:40,920
Yeah.

989
01:18:42,220 --> 01:18:42,600
Yeah.

990
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,980
I mean, I'm generally fine.

991
01:18:44,980 --> 01:18:50,860
I think that looking at the existing building, we're going to end up with a whole lot more

992
01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:56,200
red than I think we think because of the way this roof is going to change.

993
01:18:57,420 --> 01:19:06,680
I totally like, I prefer their original design on the signage, it just looks a lot better.

994
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:14,000
But I don't know, something about all that bright red, I think it's going to be pretty bright.

995
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:20,300
So like you're thinking more of like the keeping the first the option on the south side the same

996
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:28,140
But then utilizing the color scheme the second one with like the burgundy colors right and I mean and again

997
01:19:28,140 --> 01:19:38,280
I think we're going to buy as a bowl. Yeah, I don't want to lose track of the submittal even though their first submittal was this other one the one they actually submitted for our approval was the second version

998
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,140
Yeah, so

999
01:19:40,820 --> 01:19:42,220
I just don't know if

1000
01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:51,980
If Mr. Manif, if there's a world where the two worlds could collide and how something that does both.

1001
01:19:53,120 --> 01:20:06,840
I think that the, I think that a, a polio loco as well as the French IZ would be ecstatic to, to put the, the fire wall back on that, that South, the saw that faces the street.

1002
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:16,080
And I think that I think that that's a great compromise because realistically the reason I didn't go I didn't use the fire tower

1003
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:25,020
motif as part of the building element is it appeared that there was a limit to the number of colors and so I felt like we were

1004
01:20:25,020 --> 01:20:27,000
exceeding that because you're adding

1005
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,880
four more colors to

1006
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,360
already sort of a

1007
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:32,580
out of palette.

1008
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:33,480
I understood.

1009
01:20:34,060 --> 01:20:39,960
And that's where I think the commercial design guidelines get confusing to everyone it

1010
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:47,340
us included is because of the fact that it's not about lack of color and it's because

1011
01:20:47,340 --> 01:20:54,760
if we look at that again, going back to that one mural, there were so many bright vivid

1012
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,780
colors and they're all used sparingly.

1013
01:20:56,780 --> 01:21:04,700
And I think if it's this bright, impactful thing is that signage element, and then it

1014
01:21:04,700 --> 01:21:09,220
mutes that red moving around, which it's still kind of a burnt color, it still feels

1015
01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:15,120
fiery, I guess. I think that kind of accomplishes the best of both worlds where it still feels

1016
01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:25,300
red, but it doesn't tone down the signage element, which I personally prefer, whatever it's up to.

1017
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:32,780
I think I like that, I mean, your decision on turning down the red is coming from the Dodger

1018
01:21:32,780 --> 01:21:33,280
fans.

1019
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:34,680
Yeah, true.

1020
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:44,760
I like blue, but I do, again, we've discouraged whole walls or whole elements of one

1021
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:50,500
bright color, kind of for several years, so I just don't want to approve it just because

1022
01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:53,800
all of us want to eat some chicken, which I think everybody likes chicken.

1023
01:21:54,340 --> 01:22:09,100
But I think that using that firewall, and then using the tones of the more burgundy color on the other locations to replace where the red was, I think that's a good compromise and still accomplishes, you know, what I think with the

1024
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:19,980
is intense, because the main thing is that firewall is to pop in. And Mr. Manly, is there an issue with having some relief

1025
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:25,500
architecturally for that firewall? Well, since it has to be reframed anyway, I think it's a whole new element, correct?

1026
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,960
I think we can we can make an adjustment to try and bring it to the end.

1027
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:37,960
It's not in line with the adjacent lower parapet right there next to it. So it sticks out. It sticks proud a little bit.

1028
01:22:38,260 --> 01:22:39,980
Yeah. Okay. That works.

1029
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,060
I think we need to personally.

1030
01:22:43,420 --> 01:22:44,540
I'm good.

1031
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:46,840
I'm thinking about.

1032
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:47,340
I'm not checking.

1033
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:48,620
I'm not checking.

1034
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,520
I'm not trying to fast track any sort of a thing.

1035
01:22:54,220 --> 01:22:57,720
It comes down to personal preference.

1036
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:06,340
Yeah, and I don't want a force personal preference on to the applicant. I like either one and I think that's there

1037
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:13,260
And I respect everyone's opinion and and if the commission wants to go with a certain one good with it

1038
01:23:13,260 --> 01:23:15,800
And so I've said I like either one. Yeah, okay

1039
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,360
So we can't we get a motion

1040
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:39,360
Would it be helpful? I know this is not ideal for time, but would be helpful to have that slightly modify the elevation return soon.

1041
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:47,980
I would really, as the applicant, that we would really like to do that forward.

1042
01:23:48,820 --> 01:23:54,720
So I have no problem lending that and providing it back to staff.

1043
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:01,800
But I would rather not have to come back in another month to just do this process again.

1044
01:24:02,420 --> 01:24:11,080
I think my only request as staff is to make the motion very explicit, because we're trying

1045
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:15,180
to follow along as the best we can with all the walls and colors, who we want to make

1046
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:20,960
sure that we are if we're going to review it and approve it, that we know exactly what the commission

1047
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,440
is looking for.

1048
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,860
Okay, I'm going to go to the chair.

1049
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:47,500
No, I will move that we approve EC01-26 with the stipulation that the signage wall face from the first

1050
01:24:47,500 --> 01:25:00,760
of the south elevation be included in the rest of the proposed exterior elevations from the

1051
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:09,220
proposal, the second submittal, with the further stipulation that the signage element

1052
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,920
be proud of the adjacent wall surfaces.

1053
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:16,680
I'll second that.

1054
01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:23,510
Does that make sense?

1055
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:25,150
Okay.

1056
01:25:29,180 --> 01:25:30,080
Commissioner's Henderson?

1057
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:30,860
Yes.

1058
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:33,480
Stoker?

1059
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,000
Yes.

1060
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:34,780
Thomas?

1061
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:35,240
Yes.

1062
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,380
And Chair Bass Consolo's.

1063
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:37,820
Yes.

1064
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:45,150
Let's move on to item five.

1065
01:25:46,050 --> 01:25:47,730
Amendment two to site phase.

1066
01:25:48,090 --> 01:25:53,010
Site plan review zero three dash 23 and landscape plan zero three dash 24 nice

1067
01:25:56,570 --> 01:26:21,110
The recommendation for this item is that the planning commission approves amendment number two for site plan review zero three dash two three and landscape plan zero three dash two four and ice stream ice is allowing for the removal of a portion of the landscape curb and landscape planting based on information in the staff report and conditions of approval for the previously approved project.

1068
01:26:23,410 --> 01:26:35,190
We had some clarification from the applicant and from the, from our engineering staff on this project since last week.

1069
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:41,670
So there is, I'll have to explain when the conditions are approval a little bit and why it could be removed or modified.

1070
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:51,780
So this is a photo of site currently just so you can get an idea of what the landscape in will potentially look like.

1071
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:55,060
It's not complete, but it's getting there.

1072
01:26:55,980 --> 01:26:59,340
And for reference, we hear from our building staff

1073
01:26:59,340 --> 01:27:03,580
that this project is in technical terms.

1074
01:27:03,740 --> 01:27:08,740
This close to being finaled, so they're very, very close.

1075
01:27:09,740 --> 01:27:12,340
Another shot of the landscaping and kind of walkway

1076
01:27:12,340 --> 01:27:16,780
in front of the building, the parking,

1077
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,760
most of the parking and parking striping

1078
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:24,480
is complete double stripes, luckily, not always the case.

1079
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:30,700
This is a photo of the driveway for the adjacent drainage facility.

1080
01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:36,400
This will kind of come back around as you've probably seen in the back it, so just so

1081
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,260
that you can get an idea of what it looks like.

1082
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:45,100
So on the right hand side of that picture, this is a driveway for the project, and slightly

1083
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:51,460
to the left or east. This is a driveway for the drainage facilities, so those driveways are

1084
01:27:51,460 --> 01:27:58,030
directly next to each other. This is a looking north at the same area.

1085
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,240
So last month the applicant

1086
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:12,400
requested to remove the concrete curb, bordering the landscape area, so I'm creating basically

1087
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:22,460
border between the asphalt and the landscaping. And to remove the prickly pair from the

1088
01:28:22,460 --> 01:28:27,580
south east corner where those two driveways are separated from each other.

1089
01:28:29,690 --> 01:28:31,150
So this is from the

1090
01:28:31,150 --> 01:28:39,570
applicant, the blue line highlights the area where the curb was originally intended to be installed

1091
01:28:39,570 --> 01:28:58,930
and they have requested to remove that curb and so this is kind of where some of the confusion came in, while explaining to engineering staff, there's some crossed wires on them, what exactly has been removed, so I'll come back to this, but

1092
01:28:58,930 --> 01:29:01,950
Originally, we had included the condition

1093
01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:04,590
curb located around the perimeter of landscaping.

1094
01:29:04,590 --> 01:29:08,510
She'll be required or the walkway is less than six inches

1095
01:29:08,510 --> 01:29:11,150
above the driveway adjacent driveway grade.

1096
01:29:12,130 --> 01:29:15,750
So the intent there was engineering staff at concern

1097
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:19,810
that if the landscaping and the landscape curb

1098
01:29:19,810 --> 01:29:23,730
was removed, that vehicles may inadvertently drive either

1099
01:29:23,730 --> 01:29:27,230
on to the walkway or near the walkway,

1100
01:29:27,230 --> 01:29:33,670
creating a safety issue. We clarify that with the applicant, that the curb is a decorative

1101
01:29:33,670 --> 01:29:42,090
curb. It's not elevated curb, so essentially does not provide protection from vehicles potentially

1102
01:29:42,090 --> 01:29:50,670
driving that way, and also that there are only proposing to remove the curb, not the landscaping,

1103
01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:58,670
That is where the wires were crossed, so although the commission could require that condition of approval,

1104
01:29:58,670 --> 01:29:59,890
engine.

1105
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,920
Hearing staff believes that the landscaping itself is enough of a deterrent to keep cars from driving up on that walkway.

1106
01:30:11,430 --> 01:30:26,250
So that addresses the curb for landscaping, and then where that red access on the right-hand side of this image is the prickly pair in question, or potentially the prickly pair.

1107
01:30:26,250 --> 01:30:33,330
are in from the applicant as vehicles when driving through that location may run the plan over.

1108
01:30:35,790 --> 01:30:42,550
As you can see from the second condition, from engineering, they prefer to keep some sort of barrier,

1109
01:30:42,730 --> 01:30:51,250
whether it's landscaping, curb, or the plan itself up to the commission, but something to prevent cars from crossing over inadvertently,

1110
01:30:51,250 --> 01:30:55,250
certainly, or at least clearly identifying that there's two different drive-ways.

1111
01:30:59,310 --> 01:31:03,710
With all that said, the recommendation is that the planning commission approves amendment

1112
01:31:03,710 --> 01:31:13,470
to, for site plan review, 03-23, allowing for the removal of the landscape curb and the

1113
01:31:13,470 --> 01:31:15,630
prickly pair at the corner of the site,

1114
01:31:17,650 --> 01:31:20,390
and staff is available to answer questions following

1115
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:21,370
public comment.

1116
01:31:21,370 --> 01:31:24,010
Thank you.

1117
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:28,970
I see that the applicant is here, would they like to make any comments on this?

1118
01:31:35,790 --> 01:31:37,810
Is anyone in the public that wishes to make a comment?

1119
01:31:39,190 --> 01:31:39,870
Anyone online?

1120
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:44,490
Can we close public comment and bring it back to Commissioner for comments?

1121
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:47,730
I'll go with Commissioner Henderson.

1122
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:55,850
Not too many questions, so the applicant, you guys are all on board with the staff recommendations?

1123
01:32:01,510 --> 01:32:09,150
I wasn't sure if you were recommending whether or not we keep that on the southeast corner,

1124
01:32:10,330 --> 01:32:14,130
the curb that would contain that one plant that we're asking to be removed.

1125
01:32:14,730 --> 01:32:19,290
We'd prefer not to do it just because one prohibitively expensive.

1126
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:26,930
We don't think it adds much to the design since it's kind of just bordering that not so pretty.

1127
01:32:26,930 --> 01:32:36,390
just drive way of the flood channel, but yeah, so I think whether or not that's this

1128
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:41,710
effort from the foundation I wasn't clear on. So the staff recommendation after

1129
01:32:41,710 --> 01:32:47,070
discussing it with engineering was to retain some sort of border there, whether

1130
01:32:47,070 --> 01:32:53,050
that's the curb, the landscaping, gravel, there's just something to clearly

1131
01:32:53,050 --> 01:32:57,730
delaying between the two drive-boys. So it's kind of up to the commission.

1132
01:32:58,570 --> 01:33:03,810
Be most appropriate way to do that while also considering the requests from the applicant.

1133
01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:10,110
Yeah, it's super happy to put in like a border with D.G.

1134
01:33:11,790 --> 01:33:12,390
Distinguished.

1135
01:33:13,150 --> 01:33:14,010
A bolder in there.

1136
01:33:14,370 --> 01:33:15,330
You want a bolder?

1137
01:33:15,470 --> 01:33:17,090
Yeah, I'll put a bolder.

1138
01:33:18,990 --> 01:33:23,010
Those are Alex's very favorite thing to deter people going where they should go.

1139
01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:27,970
Alex will tell you, you can stick a boulder there, no one will drive through a boulder.

1140
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:29,630
They know better.

1141
01:33:30,730 --> 01:33:35,330
And I think I understand, so I drove by this, because I didn't understand why the two

1142
01:33:35,330 --> 01:33:36,270
driveway aspect.

1143
01:33:37,450 --> 01:33:42,190
And there's a second driveway, there's a second curb cut, even coming into that storm

1144
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:45,610
channel driveway for maintenance of the storm channel.

1145
01:33:46,130 --> 01:33:49,350
So I understand what they're saying is they don't want people to utilize that second

1146
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:51,570
driveway to get into to your parking lot.

1147
01:33:52,530 --> 01:33:56,170
And a couple rocks would deter people from doing that, I think.

1148
01:33:57,110 --> 01:34:02,010
And it's, you know, I understand what you're saying about having a single cactus there.

1149
01:34:02,210 --> 01:34:06,530
It's probably going to end up getting destroyed and just being neglected all by itself over there.

1150
01:34:06,990 --> 01:34:10,690
So I get the sentiment for sure.

1151
01:34:10,730 --> 01:34:15,370
But I think a rock would probably solve it easy without having to do any more concrete work.

1152
01:34:16,130 --> 01:34:23,270
But you get your, if I'm solution, I just wanted to also compliment you guys on all of the hard work you've done.

1153
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:33,130
From from your first visits in front of the commission till now, you've made some incredible progress and we're excited to be able to visit your establishment soon.

1154
01:34:33,310 --> 01:34:33,810
Yeah, thank you.

1155
01:34:34,230 --> 01:34:35,590
Yeah, I don't have anything.

1156
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:37,150
Can't wait, yeah.

1157
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:38,330
I have nothing.

1158
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:41,180
I agree.

1159
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:42,920
I think this is a good compromise.

1160
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:47,140
I think that what was intended, there was something more like a, like a, like a, like a

1161
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:57,400
moband rather than a concrete for the landscaping purposes, uh, I agree, I am in a

1162
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:04,760
greens with some sort of like deterrent, bolder, you know, gravel probably would feel like

1163
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:09,460
I said, I mean, it could even be where you're signing, are you doing a monument sign or

1164
01:35:09,460 --> 01:35:09,860
something?

1165
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,360
We've got a sign on the building.

1166
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,960
on the building, never mind.

1167
01:35:13,460 --> 01:35:15,480
Because that would be a good monument science spot.

1168
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,880
People don't drive through science either.

1169
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:20,500
So yeah, I think that's easy.

1170
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:21,740
Let me get a record.

1171
01:35:22,060 --> 01:35:25,360
So yeah, I'm making a motion to approve amendment

1172
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:31,140
to for SPR03-23 and landscape plan for 0-3-24.

1173
01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:36,440
With the EC-E22 out, is that already in your recommended action?

1174
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,440
If the commission would like to include that in the motion

1175
01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:47,200
can we can remove that? Condition.

1176
01:35:50,060 --> 01:35:54,320
Condition E22. That is. Yeah, did you want to call that

1177
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,520
as out? Because that's the one that he had crossed out. Oh, this is one, this is the one

1178
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:05,000
here. That they gave us. Yeah, the E22. So this is a commission. Approves Amendment 2 for

1179
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:12,520
SPR 03-23 and landscape plan 03-24. Oh, so this is the, yeah. Okay, isn't that what

1180
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,120
you guys gave us, because I'm looking at it.

1181
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:22,700
Lines didn't cross doubts, so I think, so in the staff report on page 168, we have two conditions.

1182
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:30,200
So I think there's a discussion about removing condition E22, the 6 inch curb.

1183
01:36:30,940 --> 01:36:32,500
Oh, okay, yes.

1184
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:40,920
All right, so we'll add that to remove E22, and just declare it for E23, it sounded like we

1185
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,180
on the instead of a curb, have a boulder or some other chair.

1186
01:36:45,620 --> 01:36:46,300
There's a boulders.

1187
01:36:49,890 --> 01:36:51,650
I think that qualifies as landscaping.

1188
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:56,060
Second on that.

1189
01:36:56,260 --> 01:36:56,860
All second.

1190
01:36:57,740 --> 01:36:58,680
All of that.

1191
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,460
Will call please.

1192
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:03,680
Commissioners Henderson.

1193
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:04,440
Yes.

1194
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:05,280
Stoker.

1195
01:37:06,060 --> 01:37:06,080
Yes.

1196
01:37:06,140 --> 01:37:06,480
Thomas.

1197
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:07,100
Yes.

1198
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:07,720
Chair Vasquez.

1199
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:08,780
Yes.

1200
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:29,980
Thank you chair and commission. This is filed with the Commission of Regenerary. The recommendation is that the planning commission drops the resolution setting the

1201
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,580
Annual maximum number of temporary short-term vacation mental permits for the calendar year 2026 at 791.

1202
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:46,300
The planning commission had prior review in September of 2022, January of 23, January of 24,

1203
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:52,080
and January of 2025. So this is by our ordinance required every January.

1204
01:37:54,160 --> 01:38:04,400
The last update to the cap was on January 28, 2025 where the planning commission established the maximum number of temporary short term vacation rental permits at 788.

1205
01:38:06,980 --> 01:38:18,660
So section 5.40.090 of the town's municipal code requires a temporary short term vacation rental permits, not exceed 10% of the town's official inventory of detached single family residential dwellings units.

1206
01:38:18,660 --> 01:38:23,120
And as of January 2026, as of writing the staff report,

1207
01:38:23,260 --> 01:38:24,680
they California Department of Finance

1208
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:29,840
estimates that there are 7,883 single family detached housing units

1209
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:34,300
in the town, although that number has not been updated since early 2025,

1210
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:37,160
and does not include the latest housing construction data

1211
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:38,460
from calendar year 2025.

1212
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:42,860
So we checked in with the town building and safety division.

1213
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,340
They said that they've completed final inspection on 28 new single detached units

1214
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:52,160
in 2025, those units bring the total number of single detest units

1215
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:56,580
through approximately 7,911 as such the maximum number

1216
01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:58,380
of temporary short-term vacation rental permits.

1217
01:38:58,860 --> 01:39:02,180
For the year 2026 is recommended to be set at 791,

1218
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:06,160
which is approximately 10% of 7,911.

1219
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:08,880
Once again, the recommendation is the planning

1220
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,740
pension adoption, setting the maximum number

1221
01:39:11,740 --> 01:39:13,260
of temporary short-term vacation rental permits

1222
01:39:13,260 --> 01:39:16,660
through the calendar of 2026 at 791,

1223
01:39:16,660 --> 01:39:20,880
and staff is ill for any questions following public comment.

1224
01:39:21,700 --> 01:39:22,880
Thank you.

1225
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,120
Does anyone in the public who's just to make a comment on this?

1226
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:27,500
Anyone on mine?

1227
01:39:27,780 --> 01:39:27,920
Okay.

1228
01:39:28,140 --> 01:39:29,000
Close up a comment.

1229
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,560
Coming back to the Commission.

1230
01:39:31,060 --> 01:39:31,520
Commissioner Stoker.

1231
01:39:32,900 --> 01:39:33,460
Nothing for me.

1232
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:34,280
Thank you.

1233
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:35,220
Commissioner Thomas.

1234
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:37,000
Just one question.

1235
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:39,340
How many outstanding permits do we have right now?

1236
01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:43,230
Outstanding vacation rental?

1237
01:39:43,730 --> 01:39:45,230
I mean, what's available?

1238
01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:47,970
How many are we short of being at max capacity?

1239
01:39:47,970 --> 01:39:59,630
So the last update I received from Janet who primarily works on on maintaining that log was somewhere around 125 openings.

1240
01:40:01,730 --> 01:40:05,610
It's gotten closer. It's decreased a bit, but not substantially.

1241
01:40:06,170 --> 01:40:08,650
Okay. Thank you. No other further questions from me.

1242
01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:13,540
No, that's the question I was going to ask. Thank you.

1243
01:40:14,900 --> 01:40:16,380
I have nothing else. Thank you for this report.

1244
01:40:16,380 --> 01:40:41,380
It's always an interesting little breakdown every year of how many are available so can we get a recommendation for the committee get a motion I go ahead and make the motion I recommend that the planning commission adopts the resolution setting the annual maximum number of temporary short term vacation rental permits the calendar year twenty twenty six at seven hundred ninety one second

1245
01:40:41,380 --> 01:40:49,680
We'll call the commissioners Henderson. Yes. Stoker. Yes. Thomas. Yes. Chair Vows can sell us. Yes.

1246
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:58,740
Looking at this, should the land level update be in Department of Reports, or are we moving on after public comment for that?

1247
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,180
Yeah, land development update should come first.

1248
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:05,700
Yeah.

1249
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:12,580
We'll be going to item number seven first for land development updates.

1250
01:41:17,700 --> 01:41:23,800
Okay, the recommendation for this is to receive and file.

1251
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:28,740
I respect for everyone's time, particularly Alex, I'll try and keep it brief.

1252
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:38,800
So everything that is in process is essentially in the similar place that we left it in December.

1253
01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:44,920
That's where others son Mesa Walmart are very close to completing Zicoa.

1254
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,800
We're in the final review of that stuff.

1255
01:41:50,540 --> 01:41:53,100
Tumbleweed is very close to having a Zicoa consultant.

1256
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,880
We're making a selection for a Zicoa consultant.

1257
01:41:58,180 --> 01:42:02,500
And the Yucca Trail of many storage continues to make progress.

1258
01:42:03,460 --> 01:42:08,280
The most exciting thing is probably that star cafe is

1259
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:16,680
under construction a little bit more vigorously in prior years, in addition to their interior wall.

1260
01:42:17,300 --> 01:42:20,660
They have now removed the pavement from their parking area.

1261
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:28,140
They have a crew on site, so they're doing a little bit more serious work there.

1262
01:42:28,980 --> 01:42:33,460
So you'll probably know that all the cars are gone, or most of the cars are gone from their light.

1263
01:42:33,460 --> 01:42:35,420
So that's exciting.

1264
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:41,780
The Time Warner Communication Facility on Lock and Tenthah is

1265
01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:44,340
getting close to finishing the building.

1266
01:42:45,260 --> 01:42:47,880
They have the right of way improvements to go.

1267
01:42:48,220 --> 01:42:50,480
And then Domino's jersey Mike says,

1268
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:52,420
on and off-resumed construction.

1269
01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:55,480
And then as you've seen Starbucks,

1270
01:42:57,340 --> 01:43:01,480
continues to make progress on the demolition of what was previously there.

1271
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,420
And with that, I can answer your questions following public comment.

1272
01:43:06,940 --> 01:43:07,820
Thank you.

1273
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,480
Anyone in the public who wishes to make a comment on this?

1274
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:12,080
Anyone online?

1275
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:13,740
Close public comment?

1276
01:43:14,260 --> 01:43:14,840
Back to this.

1277
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:16,520
Do we have anything from any comments on it?

1278
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:17,480
No comments from me.

1279
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,580
Can we get a motion to receive a file, please?

1280
01:43:21,220 --> 01:43:22,780
Yeah, I'll make a motion to receive a file.

1281
01:43:23,380 --> 01:43:24,500
I'll second it.

1282
01:43:26,340 --> 01:43:26,920
I'll call this.

1283
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:28,240
Commissioners Henderson?

1284
01:43:28,860 --> 01:43:29,000
Yes.

1285
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:29,480
Stoker?

1286
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:30,140
Yes.

1287
01:43:30,140 --> 01:43:30,840
Yes.

1288
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:32,260
And share best consulos.

1289
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:33,320
Yes.

1290
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,040
Moving on to future agenda items.

1291
01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:43,890
All those aforementioned ones are going through Sequo.

1292
01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:50,030
I would say are within one to two months of coming into the Planning Commission.

1293
01:43:52,450 --> 01:43:54,530
Those are probably the most important things.

1294
01:43:54,530 --> 01:43:56,470
There is a variance in process.

1295
01:43:56,470 --> 01:44:06,310
As that back variance as well, those are probably the most close items to coming the commission.

1296
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:14,650
I will add just one other item, as previously addressed by the Commission, near the end of last year,

1297
01:44:15,490 --> 01:44:20,610
about concerns about commercial sidewalk displays. We do have one application for the

1298
01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:26,530
displays in front of the 7-11 at Kikupu, that's currently in progress, so staff is working

1299
01:44:26,530 --> 01:44:31,370
with the applicant to make sure we have something for the commission to deliberate on.

1300
01:44:31,770 --> 01:44:37,010
I likely anticipate that coming back to the commission for the first time within the next

1301
01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:40,250
month or so, either out of your next or the following meeting.

1302
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:43,610
All right.

1303
01:44:43,730 --> 01:44:45,710
Do you guys have any comments for future information?

1304
01:44:46,630 --> 01:44:46,890
All right.

1305
01:44:47,110 --> 01:44:49,930
Let's move on to public comments.

1306
01:44:49,930 --> 01:44:55,170
Planning Commission takes this time to consider your comments on items of concern which are not on the agenda.

1307
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:58,270
When you're called to speak, please state your name and community residents.

1308
01:44:58,710 --> 01:44:59,970
Please limit your comments to three minutes.

1309
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,240
Unless inappropriate behavior, which disrupts, disturbs, or, otherwise impedes, orally conduct of the meeting, will result in perpetrator of your public comment privileges. The planning commission is prohibited by state law from taking action or discussing items that is not on the printed agenda.

1310
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:27,760
That is anyone in the publicly wishes to make any public comments. Anyone on mine? Close public comment. Moving on to commissioner reports and comments.

1311
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:28,980
Mr. Henderson.

1312
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:38,160
Nothing just thank you to staff for a great meeting and putting together a well prepared package and thank you guys for all your hard work.

1313
01:45:41,230 --> 01:45:41,230
Thanks

1314
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,380
again.

1315
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:51,700
We always like having people here, so that's great to have members of the public here.

1316
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaking up for their projects, whether it's architects owners or business owners.

1317
01:45:59,780 --> 01:46:07,360
And regarding my other hat, our soccer league is hosting our tournament of Champions, which

1318
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,820
is all stars from all over Southern California in a couple of weeks.

1319
01:46:11,740 --> 01:46:18,920
So on the 24th and 25th, if anyone's near Bram Park, might be nice to stop by, you'll

1320
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,360
see 50 teams from all over Southern California coming here to play.

1321
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:26,600
So that's pretty cool that we were able to host that this year.

1322
01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:33,720
It's eight all day, so it's like eight to six, two days for Saturday and Sunday.

1323
01:46:34,580 --> 01:46:38,920
So we'll have, yeah, 550 players from all over Southern California, that's cool.

1324
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,240
Playing here for once.

1325
01:46:40,500 --> 01:46:45,380
We're always the ones going out, so it's nice to have them have to travel to CS once in a while.

1326
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,800
So we'll hope for good weather and then we'll get ready to start our spring soccer league.

1327
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,840
So I feel like it never stops because it never stops.

1328
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,980
Thank you.

1329
01:46:56,980 --> 01:46:57,760
Vice Chair Thomas?

1330
01:46:58,480 --> 01:46:59,660
No, just thank you to staff.

1331
01:47:00,260 --> 01:47:02,740
Great meeting like Commissioner Henderson said.

1332
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:04,200
And nicely prepared.

1333
01:47:04,380 --> 01:47:05,440
Thank you guys for your work.

1334
01:47:05,700 --> 01:47:07,020
You guys do over there as well too.

1335
01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:09,300
Appreciate it.

1336
01:47:09,820 --> 01:47:11,400
I just had a couple of questions.

1337
01:47:11,660 --> 01:47:14,380
Some people have asked me over the course.

1338
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:15,820
Again, thank you for the meeting.

1339
01:47:15,820 --> 01:47:17,060
The meeting was great.

1340
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:18,080
Well prepared.

1341
01:47:18,700 --> 01:47:20,720
You know, I think you provide all of information.

1342
01:47:20,940 --> 01:47:24,820
And it was nice having a lot of people here to witness the meeting.

1343
01:47:24,820 --> 01:47:26,100
It's nice to have the audience.

1344
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,540
First question I was having is that there were,

1345
01:47:28,580 --> 01:47:31,620
I had some people asking me about how the permits are going

1346
01:47:31,620 --> 01:47:35,160
for the phase two of the private installation

1347
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:37,040
of the sewer over there.

1348
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:42,280
And if there is any kind of delays in regards to the permits

1349
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,140
being issued because of Joshua trees.

1350
01:47:48,490 --> 01:47:51,270
As far as I know, we have not received any applications

1351
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:52,410
to connect yet.

1352
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:56,820
Yeah, that staff's understanding as well.

1353
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,400
We have not received any applications for connections

1354
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:00,360
and phase two.

1355
01:48:02,060 --> 01:48:02,120
Good.

1356
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:02,620
Good to know.

1357
01:48:03,380 --> 01:48:08,040
The second question I have is I've been like on social media and all the stuff I see

1358
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:13,160
I'm seeing a lot of people advertising maybe clue trucks coming into town and then we're

1359
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,340
going to set up shop here and there and my question is is there anyone that's ever applied

1360
01:48:16,340 --> 01:48:23,420
for our food vending food truck permits within the town is there anyone that has applied

1361
01:48:23,420 --> 01:48:23,880
for that?

1362
01:48:24,660 --> 01:48:32,160
Currently, no, however, the food truck that was most recently operating in the Home Depot

1363
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:38,280
parking lot has come in to obtain that paperwork, they're getting close to following

1364
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:42,580
that application, one of the last things that they're kind of working on, which is crucial

1365
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:47,880
to following any application is having property under authorization and signatures, so we're

1366
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,560
just waiting for them to come back in with that application any day now.

1367
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:56,660
I think you also had somebody in my large group operating across from Home Depot across the highway.

1368
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,480
They had lights up and all this kind of stuff.

1369
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:03,120
Yeah, so that's actually subject to code enforcement.

1370
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:06,020
It's an operating there quite a while.

1371
01:49:06,780 --> 01:49:09,240
And it's going to take time to deal with that particular issue.

1372
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:15,380
I would assume they have no county health department permits as well as many other issues.

1373
01:49:15,620 --> 01:49:19,200
The crazy thing is that businesses on Google Maps with reviews.

1374
01:49:19,740 --> 01:49:21,500
At that corner, it's crazy.

1375
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:26,260
You had, you had also, I'm sorry, a bunch of it.

1376
01:49:26,380 --> 01:49:30,780
But do you had also brought up a couple of meetings to go that we had sent out some

1377
01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:34,400
code enforcement or some people to talk to the homeless encampment that was over there

1378
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:41,180
off the highway on the south side, if they had some tents over there, kind of over by the

1379
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:52,580
center in that general area and I think I've still seen, that's it.

1380
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:57,560
Yeah, so those are my main concerns because you know, I always see a lot of, like, the

1381
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:02,160
recent one was like a funnel cake advertising that they're going to be here in town and it

1382
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:03,400
shows setting up shop or what it looks like.

1383
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,820
Kai-Ax, we had a Kai-Ax salesman.

1384
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:07,060
Kai-Ax, oh yeah, that one too.

1385
01:50:07,060 --> 01:50:07,580
Yeah.

1386
01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:12,640
That always seems to be on Fridays when the town's not working, you know, or after hours.

1387
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:14,660
So I mean, they know how to get it on to...

1388
01:50:14,660 --> 01:50:18,260
I was curious that we spent a lot of time and effort on that.

1389
01:50:18,260 --> 01:50:22,920
On that whole aspect, and I was wondering if anyone ever really came in and had this file.

1390
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:24,320
So...

1391
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:25,060
Just that one.

1392
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:25,720
Yeah.

1393
01:50:25,740 --> 01:50:27,200
But anyhow, thank you guys.

1394
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:28,140
It was a great meeting.

1395
01:50:28,380 --> 01:50:35,360
I think some good things were accomplished and, you know, sometimes, you know, tough answers,

1396
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:42,320
on variances is what has to be to keep the order within our community. I look forward to the future agenda items.

1397
01:50:43,180 --> 01:50:48,340
So with that at a 7.51 PM meeting at your, oh wait, sorry, let's move on hold on.

1398
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:48,920
The more thing.

1399
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:50,200
The announcement.

1400
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:54,660
I almost pull the noon in right there. Sorry.

1401
01:50:56,120 --> 01:51:03,360
We got future announcements upcoming meetings scheduled. The next regular meeting of the Yucca Valley Planning Commission will be held on Tuesday January 27th,

1402
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:10,500
7th, 2026 at 6pm in the Yaka Valley Community Center room with that at 7.51 is meeting as adjourned.