1 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,800 All right, welcome everyone to the Tuesday, August 25th, 2026 planning commission meeting. 2 00:04:13,940 --> 00:04:15,200 Can we get the call to order, please? 3 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:16,780 Vice Chair Henderson. 4 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:17,840 Here. 5 00:04:18,260 --> 00:04:18,900 Commissioner Stoker. 6 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:19,580 Here. 7 00:04:19,900 --> 00:04:21,340 Commissioner Vasconcelos. 8 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:21,880 Here. 9 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:25,700 And if you could please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance, I'll lead it. 10 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:29,690 Begin. 11 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:41,370 I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 12 00:04:44,410 --> 00:04:48,790 Alright, thank you. Moving on to the approval of the agenda. Could I please get a motion? 13 00:04:50,070 --> 00:04:53,830 I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as prepared. I'll second that. 14 00:04:55,370 --> 00:05:00,110 Commissioner Henderson. Yes. Stoker. Yes. Vasconcelos. Yes. 15 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:11,370 Moving on to the consent agenda. All items listed on the consent calendar are considered to be routine matters or are considered formal documents covering previous planning commission instruction. 16 00:05:11,370 --> 00:05:15,970 The items listed on the Consent Calendar may be enacted by one motion and a second. 17 00:05:16,610 --> 00:05:20,470 There will be no separate discussion on the Consent Calendar items unless a member of 18 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:25,630 the Planning Commission or town staff request discussion on specific Consent Calendar items 19 00:05:25,630 --> 00:05:27,070 at the beginning of the meeting. 20 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:32,190 Public requests to comment on Consent Calendar items should be filed with the Commission 21 00:05:32,190 --> 00:05:35,110 Secretary before the Consent Calendar is called. 22 00:05:35,650 --> 00:05:38,190 Looks like we have two items on the Consent Agenda. 23 00:05:38,190 --> 00:05:43,910 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on the consent agenda items? 24 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:48,770 Anybody online? Any commissioners have any issues? 25 00:05:49,990 --> 00:05:55,990 Could I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda. I will second that 26 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:02,280 Yes, yes, yes 27 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,260 Moving on to Department reports item number four. Can we get the report please? 28 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:16,280 Thank you by Chair Henderson and commissioners. This is the Outdoor Lighting Ordinance Second 29 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:22,260 Review and Discussion. The recommendation is that the Planning Commission receives and 30 00:06:22,260 --> 00:06:26,780 files a report and provides any input and direction to return the item to a future 31 00:06:26,780 --> 00:06:27,120 meeting. 32 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:34,230 For background, previously at the meeting of July 28th, the Planning Commission 33 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:38,530 provided direction and requested additional information on the following to be considered 34 00:06:38,530 --> 00:06:41,670 as part of the outdoor lighting ordinance update. 35 00:06:43,650 --> 00:06:46,710 Modernizing the ordinance to account for LED technology, 36 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:50,670 balancing preservation of the night sky with safety and security, 37 00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:54,930 moving towards warmer lighting with a target of 3,000 Kelvin maximum, 38 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:59,950 ensuring standards are enforceable and implementable, and providing some 39 00:07:00,750 --> 00:07:06,170 from other jurisdictions, particularly those that are nearby, such as City of 29 Palms. 40 00:07:08,250 --> 00:07:11,070 This is to just kind of establish what we're talking about. 41 00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:18,930 You can see what is light trespass to an adjoining residential home as compared to 42 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:23,490 one that directs the light downward and away from the adjoining property. 43 00:07:26,330 --> 00:07:32,350 For a little bit more technical discussion, the proposed language that we have drafted 44 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:48,750 It's been wrapped it up for review incorporates some quantitative standards and some mental requirements that would provide staff with tools needed to address outdoor lighting fixture compliance during plan check for new construction and where complaints are received that require timely code enforcement. 45 00:07:49,150 --> 00:07:59,930 Those additions are summarized here, including definitions for correlated cover color temperature which is kelpens lumens luminaires lux. 46 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:06,230 establishing a nighttime curfew definition and a definition of non-essential lighting. 47 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:12,710 Also importantly is some measurable light trespass limits which are to be defined as 48 00:08:12,710 --> 00:08:18,490 light trespass limited to one lux, which is approximately 0.09 foot candles at adjoining 49 00:08:18,490 --> 00:08:24,310 residential property lines and three lux which is approximately 0.28 foot candles at 50 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:27,390 commercial slash industrial property lines or public rights of way. 51 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:31,630 With measurements taken using a light meter at five feet above grade. 52 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:34,830 So that aligns with our current implementation. 53 00:08:35,330 --> 00:08:44,090 When it comes to discretionary commercial projects requiring a condition of approval for no more than 0.3 foot candles that property line. 54 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:52,850 We've also added a 3000 Kelvin maximum color temperature that applies both to residential and to commercial projects. 55 00:08:53,810 --> 00:09:00,430 added a residential lumen limit of 1,000 lumens per luminaire, which is essentially the light fixture itself, 56 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:09,590 while also providing flexibility for motion control lighting used for safety and security that would be exempted from that particular limitation, 57 00:09:10,690 --> 00:09:17,450 establishing that motion detection automatic shutoff requirements after five minutes for lighting use for safety and security are required, 58 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:24,130 and a nighttime curfew to extinguish or dim by 50% non-essential outdoor lighting, 59 00:09:24,290 --> 00:09:30,530 which includes things like landscaping or architectural lighting, for example, 60 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:33,070 for both residences and businesses. 61 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:37,750 And some additional alignment with applicable building and energy codes 62 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:40,350 and requirement for new construction, 63 00:09:40,590 --> 00:09:43,970 that there's applications to no requirements to document compliance with those standards, 64 00:09:43,970 --> 00:09:49,510 including compliance statement, lighting schedule, and photometric plan when that is 65 00:09:49,510 --> 00:09:51,230 also determined necessary by the director. 66 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,340 This illustrates a little bit more of 67 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:05,520 the relationship between lumens and lux where lumens are the amount of visible 68 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:10,880 light emitted by the source and lux is the amount of light that falls on a 69 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,880 surface measured in lumens per square meter so this is a metric 70 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:29,520 This also illustrates what 2,700 Kelvin looks like, which is pretty close to our proposed standard of 3,000 Kelvin as compared to 4,000 Kelvin. 71 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,480 You can really see the difference in warmth and coolness between those two. 72 00:10:41,190 --> 00:10:49,130 So the proposed amendment preserves the current structure to address non-conforming lighting fixtures and complaint-based enforcement procedures. 73 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:51,510 the language of the ordinance. 74 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:55,830 States existing outdoor lighting fixtures installed 75 00:10:55,830 --> 00:10:57,590 or constructed on developed properties 76 00:10:57,590 --> 00:11:00,090 which are non-conforming shall be allowed continued use 77 00:11:00,530 --> 00:11:02,810 except that the lighting shall not be structurally altered 78 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:04,410 so as to extend its useful life 79 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:05,710 aside from regular maintenance. 80 00:11:06,190 --> 00:11:07,610 However, should it be determined 81 00:11:07,610 --> 00:11:09,250 that a non-conforming lighting fixture 82 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:10,370 results in light trespass, 83 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,050 the town may require the light to be either shielded, 84 00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:14,670 filtered, redirected, replaced 85 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:16,070 with a less intense light source, 86 00:11:16,510 --> 00:11:17,930 removed or a combination thereof 87 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:23,530 to eliminate light trespass so that preserves staff's ability to address complaints while 88 00:11:23,530 --> 00:11:25,130 also addressing new construction. 89 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:32,690 The other jurisdictions that we reviewed have rather 90 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:39,310 similar outdoor lighting ordinances but they may not incorporate all of these areas but common 91 00:11:39,310 --> 00:11:45,310 themes include standards for fixture shielding, light trespass, light levels, glare, hours of 92 00:11:45,310 --> 00:11:50,050 of operation and curfews for specific uses, automatic controls, 93 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:52,510 color temperature, prohibited lighting, 94 00:11:53,370 --> 00:11:56,090 submittal requirements, and special uses and exemptions. 95 00:11:57,370 --> 00:11:59,350 Notably, modern ordinances address 96 00:11:59,350 --> 00:12:02,490 things like lumens, luxe or foot candles, 97 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:07,370 and the color temperature rather than wattage alone. 98 00:12:08,630 --> 00:12:10,210 And you will find some examples 99 00:12:10,210 --> 00:12:15,270 that do still rely on that wattage in the packet tonight. 100 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:19,030 This is a specific table from 29 Palms, 101 00:12:19,950 --> 00:12:23,050 identifying the maximum and minimum illuminations 102 00:12:23,050 --> 00:12:25,290 for various categories of uses. 103 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:27,690 So this is one way of doing it. 104 00:12:27,810 --> 00:12:29,790 You can put it in a table and really break down 105 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:31,610 what that looks like, 106 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:35,370 not just for residential, commercial, industrial properties, 107 00:12:35,570 --> 00:12:38,390 but specific things like the parking lot, 108 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:45,250 pedestrian walkway, non-residential structure, and public buildings where that might apply. 109 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:53,310 Our standard that's proposed, for example, for adjoining residential property is equivalent to 110 00:12:53,310 --> 00:13:01,870 that 0.09 foot candle maximum, 29 palms is just slightly lower than us in that regard at 0.05 111 00:13:01,870 --> 00:13:10,610 foot candles but we're still relatively close. The recommendation once again is 112 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:13,810 that the Planning Commission receives and follows the report and provides any 113 00:13:13,810 --> 00:13:18,170 input and direction to turn the item to a future meeting and staff is available 114 00:13:18,170 --> 00:13:23,590 to answer questions following public comment. Thank you. Okay thank you. At this 115 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:26,690 time we're going to open up the outdoor lighting ordinance second review 116 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:30,090 for public comment. Anybody in the audience wishing to speak on this 117 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:36,530 item, anybody online? Since there's only three of us, I'll just open it up. Who 118 00:13:36,530 --> 00:13:38,490 would like to go first and make some comments? 119 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:42,200 Yeah, I like this report. I 120 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,380 think I think the information you brought back is exactly what we were 121 00:13:45,380 --> 00:13:51,740 asking for. I think it's going in the right direction. I had a question that 122 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:56,880 says, so what outlines not including lighting for safety and security for 123 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,500 both residents and businesses. 124 00:13:58,780 --> 00:14:02,160 So how is that determined in regards to safety 125 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,440 and security lighting, 126 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,900 where it's not being impacted by the curfews? 127 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,960 So that would include things, I think, 128 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,420 that were brought up in our prior meeting, 129 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,580 such as those lighting fixtures 130 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:25,600 that are installed to support security camera equipment 131 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,720 that may include things such as safety lighting 132 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,560 around your residential driveway or walkway 133 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Until I'll you to safely get from one point to the other on your property and also see anybody who could be 134 00:14:39,220 --> 00:14:43,900 My only fear on that is like people can interpret any lighting as a security and safety 135 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:47,540 So I think it might be beneficial for us to determine and outline exactly 136 00:14:47,540 --> 00:14:54,280 What is accepted or whatever the qualifications are for that so that we don't get people coming back to us saying well 137 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,240 This is for security and safety because I think anyone can make that argument for lighting 138 00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,620 Steph understands 139 00:15:00,210 --> 00:15:10,890 Other than that, I like it. I don't have any other comments at this time. If I have anything else that sparks my mind after listening to these gentlemen, I'll chime in. Thank you. 140 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:14,250 Yeah, 141 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:42,040 my couple comments, I think 1000 lumens is your maximum for any residential Lumiere that that's, that's correct. And that's based on the recommended dark sky association model ordinance jurisdictions might choose different limitations such as 2000 in some cases or maybe 5000. 142 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:57,400 But that is kind of the recommended best best practice that we presented. Okay. Yeah, I mean even 1000 lumens like most most can lights if there's a canline on the outside of a house those can light you buy or like 600 lumens is what those maximums are and 143 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:03,500 And a thousand seems almost like a floodlight for a security camera. 144 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:10,580 So I just wanted to – I don't want it to be too high to where it's just we're 145 00:16:10,580 --> 00:16:13,300 not doing anything better than we currently have. 146 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:24,920 My other question, and it relates to one of the comments you guys had on the presentation 147 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,820 which said, uh, existing outdoor lighting fixtures installed or constructed on developed 148 00:16:30,820 --> 00:16:36,580 properties which are non-conforming shall be allowed to continued use, except that it 149 00:16:36,580 --> 00:16:41,300 will not be structurally altered as to extend its useful life aside from regular maintenance. 150 00:16:42,140 --> 00:16:48,100 That kind of sentence that we have there reminds me of the sentence we have in our 151 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:53,020 sign ordinance, which I think is one of, it's a sentence I didn't like in that ordinance 152 00:16:53,020 --> 00:16:58,340 either because it kind of, we've gotten into this already where signs are kind of torn 153 00:16:58,340 --> 00:17:06,100 to pieces and put back together. And even though we determined that that was taking 154 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:11,640 it apart beyond its useful, it just leaves it so open to where some of these lights are 155 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:18,600 never going to change. So personally, I would like in our commercial ordinance to have 156 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,760 something that some sort of sunsetting of what's existing and non-conforming, whether 157 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:29,340 that's a year limit, if it's five years or something, first places to come into conformance, 158 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,380 that would be awesome if we started to see, you know, shopping centers, they have gives 159 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:39,420 them time and we can send out informational mailers and things to property owners 160 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:43,300 just to let them know like, hey, five years from now, this thing is going to sunset 161 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:46,380 And we want all the lighting into conformance. 162 00:17:47,220 --> 00:18:03,260 And I think that would be something nice because I think our sign ordinance that was one of, I mean, I don't want to say failings but one of the something that should have been in our original sign ordinance and we wouldn't be looking at so many signs that are still out of conformance. 163 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:07,480 And it's been 15 years or whatever since that last version. 164 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:24,760 So, I don't know if that's something that you guys have looked at that is a provision that you can find and other jurisdictions ordinances. It's essentially an amortization period 29 pounds. For example, set there is at one year from the date of the ordinance being adopted. 165 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,740 County set there is at 18 months. 166 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:30,160 So it is, it is an approach that we could consider. 167 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:46,060 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. And I don't know how the rest of the commission feels. And maybe nice. Maybe our next version of this that comes. Hopefully we have everybody here to be able to have a discussion with with all of our commissioners. 168 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:51,280 But I just feel like we we if we ever get back to a sign ordinance. 169 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,400 I would like to fix that because we've given everyone enough time. 170 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,760 And if it's not an architecturally significant sign where it's historic, 171 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:05,920 then they should have had enough time to come into conformance, you know. 172 00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:10,700 And those are my two real big ones. 173 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,980 I think it's great the work that's gone on so far. 174 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:15,340 I like updated definitions. 175 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:22,580 A lot of those are in kind of lockstep with what new kind of new technology. 176 00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:24,440 So I like all of those things. 177 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:27,740 Great, thank you. 178 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,400 Just had one comment. 179 00:19:30,980 --> 00:19:33,040 Then my screen goes off, right? 180 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:34,460 One second. 181 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:43,760 On the exemptions on item E in regards to emergency lighting and fixtures necessary. 182 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:46,660 And it's talking about emergency equipment type stuff. 183 00:19:46,740 --> 00:19:51,840 And I was thinking that when we look at this, that a location like a fire station, 184 00:19:51,840 --> 00:20:01,660 They might need very bright lights if they're coming back from a call for service at night so they can inspect their rig, outside, et cetera. 185 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,520 If that's not in there, maybe that's something we can look at. 186 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:16,520 I know like the sheriff's deputies have a location over here nearby, but it's a little more remote as opposed to a station that might be more in the middle of town. 187 00:20:17,780 --> 00:20:20,000 But that was just one thing I want you to present. 188 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:24,540 And I wanted to share one idea with my fellow commissioners, 189 00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:28,120 and I agree, Commissioner Stoker, that we'll probably have to come back. 190 00:20:28,220 --> 00:20:31,160 We'd like to get additional feedback from the other commissioners. 191 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:36,100 But I thought of something that I know that the town council, 192 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 when they brought this to us, there was a spirit here. 193 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:45,320 And that is trying to get us into compliance with all the latest technology. 194 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:50,180 but also, since I've lived here, and I know you guys have lived here probably your whole 195 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:55,760 lives as well, that there's always a community concern about light pollution. 196 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:57,680 There's always been those complaints. 197 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:07,340 And as we develop this code, and I love staff's opinion on this as well, that I think that 198 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:13,240 we want to come from this as more of a pioneer, more of a partner with the community 199 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:19,460 and educating them, but also I was thinking of building in that there 200 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:24,040 should be an annual lighting health report that's presented in front of the 201 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,960 Commission every year similar to short-term vacation rentals and they 202 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,740 could also be presented to the Town Council and I thought of some metrics 203 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,500 where you know planning staff could give us an overall grade as a town how 204 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:42,120 we're doing in regards to this and some of the metrics I was thinking 205 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:47,980 about was you could certainly have quantitative or like maybe the number and type of lighting-related 206 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:54,660 complaints received and resolved, how many plans have been reviewed and conditioned for compliance, 207 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,740 any measured or observed trends in light trespassing data, 208 00:22:02,620 --> 00:22:07,300 and then also the town could share with us success stories from this code, 209 00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:11,500 because sometimes we build these codes but we don't really get the feedback on how they're 210 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:15,440 doing related to enforcement. 211 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:23,700 And then also because technology changes rapidly with something like this, the annual report 212 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:28,900 could come back to us and maybe share with us some of the latest technology that's going 213 00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:31,260 on so we might have to tweak this code. 214 00:22:31,660 --> 00:22:33,100 That way it will stay updated. 215 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:39,120 But I don't want to create extra work for staff, but I think sometimes when we build 216 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:43,380 these codes and you see this especially right now with controversy issues in 217 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:49,620 communities. Communities are towns and government that partner with the 218 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:54,580 community and are transparent and what's going on I think are in a much 219 00:22:54,580 --> 00:22:59,460 better place and more successful. So what do you guys think about having an 220 00:22:59,460 --> 00:23:05,280 annual lighting report that comes back and kind of the staff can grade how 221 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,880 we're doing based on these type of metrics. I like it. I think even you can you 222 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:15,300 could even request a report from like Mount Palomar to see how much the the 223 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:20,020 lighting has been affected for the community over the year annually like 224 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:23,060 okay here because people are saying you know the dark skies whatever but if 225 00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:27,140 there's an actual physical number that like hey hasn't been impacted by you 226 00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:30,600 know this percentage has gone it's grown a little bit brighter or it 227 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,420 hasn't had any fluctuation or anything that I feel like that's a that's a 228 00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:37,760 value that the community as a whole would be like oh because you know you get 229 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,720 people saying you just can't see the sky anymore but if you have facts of the 230 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,420 report saying you know nothing really has changed or it's changed so minutely 231 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:51,960 that it is looking the same or it has changed a lot there's something to you 232 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,380 know have a discussion about with the report you know. Yeah and I think it 233 00:23:57,380 --> 00:24:01,360 kind of shows that we really take it serious the light pollution is 234 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:08,360 important to us and and you know from that education standpoint and again we 235 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:12,000 can tweak the code annually if need be. What do you think Commissioner Stover? 236 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:17,660 No I I agree with you that it'd be nice to know how we're doing it's always nice 237 00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:25,260 to get updates you know when we approve things I don't have a problem with that 238 00:24:25,260 --> 00:24:32,220 be interested to hear what what Matt and and Jerry how they feel when they're 239 00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:36,760 back that would be nice to have all of us kind of in lockstep on that if something 240 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:43,260 would like to do I agree yeah just looking through other exemptions so do 241 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:48,020 all of the exemptions apply to residential and commercial yes 242 00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:57,410 okay so 243 00:24:57,410 --> 00:25:06,490 So I think exemption number C, Commissioner Henderson, would address your want regarding 244 00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:13,270 fire stations. Exemption number B is the one I was kind of looking at where I don't know 245 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:20,470 that is neon signs would it ever be appropriate at someone's home? I mean, I know what the 246 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:24,410 intent is. It's intended for like restaurants and bars and those kinds of places where 247 00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:30,250 you'd see neon. So your your sign code generally doesn't allow residences to 248 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:36,850 have signage outside of address signage so it wouldn't be anticipated that 249 00:25:36,850 --> 00:25:44,890 residents would have a neon sign to answer your question. Okay. I might look 250 00:25:44,890 --> 00:25:49,950 at that just as maybe it's just only on neon lighting fixtures in a 251 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:54,190 commercial sense because I feel like even looking on Amazon you can buy 252 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:57,350 I like really cool like neon whatever you're into 253 00:25:58,090 --> 00:25:59,250 and put it in your front window. 254 00:25:59,430 --> 00:26:02,790 I just wouldn't want someone to look at the exemptions 255 00:26:02,790 --> 00:26:05,450 and try to use those as a reason 256 00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:07,410 to have whatever they want approved 257 00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:11,190 because maybe it might not be a sign 258 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,610 but it's still like a picture or some sort of thing. 259 00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:17,210 The other thing that I was looking at was 260 00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:21,970 new item F which is holiday lighting fixture displays. 261 00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:27,550 and I in looking at I looked at some other jurisdictions ordinances a lot of 262 00:26:27,550 --> 00:26:31,870 those have like times of year that that's allowed so that way a holiday 263 00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:36,830 lighting display doesn't go past Christmas and it's still you know you 264 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:42,410 still have those lights running in the middle of July and I don't know if 265 00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:51,110 that's a thing yeah I mean some people just don't well some people just don't 266 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:55,550 leave them down. Don't ever take them down. And they're still running. So I just don't 267 00:26:55,550 --> 00:27:00,590 know if there's timing for those outdoor displays, because I'm just trying to think 268 00:27:00,590 --> 00:27:05,370 of what other people might be upset about with their neighbor about. And it'd be nice 269 00:27:05,370 --> 00:27:09,930 to have more things organized in a fashion to where at least it's here. 270 00:27:11,710 --> 00:27:16,210 That's a really good point. And then also I see what you're saying on item number 271 00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:24,750 I think I focus in on D&E more. So yeah, that should be covered under C. So thank you. Any other comments on this item? 272 00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:35,050 No. Okay, I'll go ahead and I'll make a motion that we receive in file. And then we just bring it back to a future meeting with the other commissioners. 273 00:27:35,410 --> 00:27:36,690 I'll second that motion. 274 00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:38,750 Commissioner Henderson. 275 00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:39,610 Yes. 276 00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:40,450 Yes. 277 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:45,950 Okay, moving on to item number five, land development update. 278 00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:46,910 This 279 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:56,380 will be a pretty brief update, just kind of letting you know what's very close to coming into the Planning Commission. 280 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:06,980 We expect to deem Yucca Valley Materials Lab complete very soon and they have been making corrections as they've been going through the completeness process. 281 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:13,780 So that should be available for Planning Commission review shortly. 282 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:24,960 Similarly, same with the CNS rotisserie chicken bar that has several rounds of review and they're 283 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,660 very, very close to being complete right now. 284 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:35,920 Tumbleweed Sanctuary is in the final one to two weeks of their CEQA review process. 285 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:43,360 It's at the point where they're just having legal review, which is basically the last 286 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:49,620 step before it can be published for the public review. Following those three, 287 00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:55,460 the windmill wireless facility is about to kick off their CEQA process. 288 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,320 So that will likely be coming to the commission 289 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:09,020 somewhere between four and six months from today. And then the last one that's a little 290 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:16,160 bit more of a wild card, but we anticipate it being complete in the fall sometime is 291 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:23,160 the Joshua Tree Distilling Company. They have a conditional use permit and also a development 292 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:30,640 code amendment. They're in general commercial zoning, which does not currently allow for 293 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:38,340 any manufacturing processes. So they're proposing to amend that portion of the development 294 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:46,340 to potentially allow some type of manufacturing which has not yet been fully determined, 295 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:59,820 but to potentially allow that sort of operation where they're storing and bottling and manufacturing higher-grade alcohol in the commercial zoning. 296 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:08,680 So, those five projects are the ones that we'd foresee coming most imminently to the Planning 297 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:08,980 Commission. 298 00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:15,160 Okay, thank you. I'll just open up to public comment. Anybody wishing to speak on any of 299 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,120 the land development updates? Anybody online? Moving over to commissioners if you have any 300 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,460 comments. 301 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:26,500 Okay, we'll go ahead and close that out and we'll move to future agenda 302 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,020 items. 303 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:43,140 Those two women to make a motion to receive a file. Oh, I'm sorry. Welcome. I'll make a motion to receive a file. I'll second commissioner Henderson. Yes. Stoker. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Moving on to future agenda items. 304 00:30:44,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Those five items and then our general plan update is also getting very close to completion. So those five for the commercial projects and then our open space and conservation and safety elements should be wrapping up soon as well. 305 00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:15,920 And I know our general plan is a big one and same with the lightning ordinance we're focusing on now is is that something after reading that and where I was kind of got my brain wrapping around our sign ordinance. 306 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Is that something we could plan as a commission on working on for the future. 307 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,440 Is that something that's been on your radar already or something we could. 308 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,680 The sign ordinance. Yeah. 309 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,100 You know, it's always the least favorite thing of all, according to Shane. 310 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,740 Our chairman's favorite. 311 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,700 Landscaping is the hardest one, I don't know. 312 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,500 One of the hardest ones is the... 313 00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:48,500 It's something you could send up to the council for consideration if you wanted to ask them 314 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,660 where that sits in the priority listing. 315 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:51,480 Okay. 316 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,060 And then final thing is about sign codes. 317 00:31:54,060 --> 00:32:00,620 codes, sign codes are never finished because the minute you adopt a new ordinance, you will 318 00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:04,860 have somebody that wants to make a change to it. So sign ordinances are never finished. 319 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:13,560 They're a constantly revolving circle. It's one of those things where not everyone is 320 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,640 happy all the time. 321 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,560 Well, I mean, I'm okay with most of the ordinance. The only thing that bothered me 322 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,480 is that same sentence where we talk about, 323 00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:24,920 as long as you can keep it up to date, 324 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000 then it's good forever, and it'd be nice to sunset. 325 00:32:28,380 --> 00:32:29,200 So I don't know if that's something 326 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,000 we could just modify a line or tweak something 327 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,740 with an amendment to remove that, 328 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,680 or add some sort of a sunsetting. 329 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,420 You can always try and limit the amount of amendments, 330 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,060 but once you open up the sign ordinance for discussion, 331 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,540 you typically get a huge- 332 00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:55,860 requests for different changes. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Shane. Moving on to public 333 00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:59,200 comments, the Planning Commission takes its time to consider your comments on 334 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,360 items of concern which are not on the agenda. When you are called to speak, 335 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,040 please state your name and community of residence. Please limit your comments to 336 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,000 three minutes or less. Inappropriate behavior which disrupts, disturbs, or 337 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,500 otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of the meeting will result in 338 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:18,040 forfeiture of your public comment privileges. The Planning Commission is 339 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,540 prohibited by state law from taking action or discussing items not on the 340 00:33:21,540 --> 00:33:28,460 printed agenda. Anybody in the audience wishing to speak? Anybody online? Seeing 341 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:32,060 there's none, we'll go ahead and close that and move on to staff reports and 342 00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:32,360 comments. 343 00:33:35,470 --> 00:33:39,670 No additional reports or comments. All right, thank you. We'll move 344 00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:42,550 on to commissioner reports and comments. Starting on my far right, 345 00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:47,450 Commissioner Vaskensuelos. No, I don't have anything at this time. I just 346 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:52,710 want to thank staff for another really informative meeting and you know hopefully 347 00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:58,330 the next time we get this put in front of us we'll have our whole commission here 348 00:33:58,330 --> 00:34:02,810 to discuss and the review and maybe get some finalization on some of us that 349 00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:04,470 send up so thank you. 350 00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:09,600 Commissioner Stoker much the same thank you to 351 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,680 staff and yes it'll be it'll be good to get one more ordinance kind of 352 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,220 behind us, so that's what we're looking forward to. 353 00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:23,600 And on a side note, if you haven't driven by Bremfield 354 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:27,520 lately, it is so green, it's beyond green, 355 00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:30,500 like they re-overseated the grass, 356 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:34,460 and it is fluffy and green, it's really good. 357 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,280 So thanks to, you know, the public works 358 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,580 and recreation staff are working together 359 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:47,280 and get all that stuff up to snuff. It looks really good. 360 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,100 Awesome. Thank you. 361 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,420 I'll just echo a great meeting, great preparation, and it's an important topic. 362 00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:57,840 The lighting ordinance is an important topic for the community. 363 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,980 It's one of those right up there, in my opinion, with Joshua trees and water, everything. 364 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,220 So thank you for the good job. 365 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,720 And we look forward to our other commissioners providing their comments. 366 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:23,740 Just one thing, I can't make it, but on, is it Tuesday, September 1st, are we having a grand opening for the Athletics or Recreation section on Tuesday? 367 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:25,420 Is it private? 368 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,780 No, I said that once in town. 369 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,080 Yeah. 370 00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:30,520 Alex says Tuesday at five. 371 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,840 Tuesday at five? 372 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,220 All right, thank you. 373 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,520 All right. 374 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:37,220 Moving on to announcements. 375 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:48,460 Upcoming meeting schedule the next regular meeting in the Yucca Valley Planning Commission will be held on Tuesday, September 8, 2026 at 6pm in the Yucca Valley Community Center. 376 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,680 And with that, we will go ahead and adjourn.