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[0:20] Please welcome the commissioners. We motion wichtige here. I have permission to revanche the rule here.

[0:29] Approval claims. I have claims, 10.63.10.64.

[0:35] Naming motions.

[0:36] May the Sheriff be the case.

[0:38] victims. 10.63, and 10.64.

[0:42] Second, the motion.unta

[0:44] -feigh-versée aye. right.

[0:46] hand.

[0:46] I

[0:49] have

[0:49] minutes from August 27th, 20.26.

[1:21] I have one document in front of me to sign today, it is the, if you'll recall, we had

[1:30] an extensive deviation last Wednesday, I believe, and these are the documents that are

[1:35] the results of that deviation.

[1:50] I have drafted the other documents that required and submitted them to the HRV.

[1:57] Okay.

[1:58] Is

[2:16] that the HRV?

[2:17] Yes.

[2:19] Okay.

[2:34] I'll make a motion to approve the HRV documents.

[2:42] I'll sit in the motion.

[2:43] I'll have a verifying.

[2:45] All right.

[3:07] Business.

[3:08] We have wages.

[3:09] This was a

[3:20] table from last week.

[3:28] Okay, after the working session on Monday, we did come, we did do some more corrections

[3:37] and adjustments to the wage and step, great and step scale because I've been put onto

[3:42] the wage sheets and everything should be fine now since we've had more eyes on it and

[3:53] and we discussed how to fix it.

[3:57] And everything that was discussed during that meeting

[3:59] to fix it was, it has been implemented.

[4:03] That was resolution 35, 36.

[4:09] Do we even go back to check it?

[4:37] 36.

[4:41] Oh, I think a motion to approve resolution 2026.

[4:45] Yeah, 36,

[4:52] about in the 2025 compensation

[4:57] for us is our administration manual.

[5:06] Where do you get it?

[5:34] Okay,

[6:06] on your desk, I placed two handouts, the levee determination sheets and the levee limitation sheets.

[6:16] We

[6:19] will be going up in levies.

[6:22] Some of the highlights are I needed to increase the cash reserve in the

[6:27] general and the road.

[6:31] I would have liked to increase the cash reserves in the

[6:36] detention and dispatch, but that just wasn't possible without

[6:40] even going further raising the taxes even further.

[6:43] But we have other ways we can deal with that later on.

[6:48] I cut nothing yesterday with the exception of a lawnmower in the cemetery district.

[6:58] And that will just come out of royalties.

[7:00] That was the only way I could have balanced that.

[7:02] So in the general fund, we still have the DES fixed asset requests, the corner fixed asset

[7:09] requests and in the ambulance we still have the $300,000 for a ambulance replacement.

[7:18] Should cover one ambulance.

[7:26] From royalties I've only touched royalties to make your, to mission projects, funds

[7:37] whole to $40,000 to $400,000 and then I transferred $320,000 between the livestock fair and

[7:50] the fair entertainment fund

[7:54] $320,000, $120,000 to livestock and $200,000 to the entertainment

[8:02] that should cover what we spent this year for the fair.

[8:06] that

[8:17] leaves in the general levy 3656 carried forward mills library levy that is

[8:28] maxed out ambulance fund I've also kept that at its full levy sheriff's

[8:38] levy still has 4.13 mills carried forward

[8:45] COA has 2.32 mills carried forward and

[8:49] and they are not getting anything from Canvas money this year.

[8:54] Road and fire, that is that's highest level, 5105 80 mills.

[9:04] And the cemetery district is, I kept that had to be maxed out

[9:11] and I still had a transfer of $10,000 from penalties

[9:14] for that to balance that.

[9:17] It just doesn't cover the wages.

[9:18] is in operations anymore.

[9:23] It hasn't actually for the last couple of years.

[9:39] It's a pleasure to do taxes.

[9:41] It does increase some.

[9:55] I do have one question for clarification

[9:57] that I think is important to put on the record.

[10:00] When you say cemetery district, was that

[10:02] cemetery district two in the address?

[10:03] Sorry, two in the address.

[10:05] Thank you.

[10:06] Sorry, I can't misspoke.

[10:32] Because I had to use the state's balances,

[10:35] they don't want to use in our own anymore.

[10:38] So, in the general levy, that is an increase of 34.17 mls.

[10:50] In the library, that's an increase

[10:51] of 0.54.

[11:05] It's actually a decrease in mls for the ambulance, but that's because the mill

[11:09] levy value is actually higher this year. For the sheriff,

[11:23] that's also lower by 0.89 mls

[11:26] for

[11:35] the council on aging.

[11:39] That is an increase of 1.68

[11:41] and for

[11:53] the permissive, I'm sorry, I need to add any other permissive there.

[12:01] For the permissive between the permissive health and the permissive SRS,

[12:24] that is a decrease of 1.04 mils.

[12:28] So, it's an overall increase of 32.2 mils.

[12:35] How much?

[12:36] 32.2 mils, county-wide,

[12:48] increase.

[12:49] No, the permissive health is average.

[12:52] The permissive, between the two permissive levies,

[12:55] it's a decrease of 1.4.

[13:04] For the row,

[13:05] it is an increase of 6.17.

[13:22] And for CD2, it's a decrease of 0.27.

[13:26] But again, that is because the mils are a little higher.

[13:29] The mil values are a little higher this year.

[14:50] Okay, on a primary home at the primary tax rate for primary home, it's an increase of

[14:56] $23.51 for every $100,000 per day.

[15:00] General, for the county white levees, I'm sorry, between the general, the library, the ambulance, the public safety, COA, and the permissive.

[15:09] Yes, for everyone, $100,000 for the road is that it is an increase of $4.50 and

[15:22] then

[15:28] decrease for the cemetery district.

[15:31] So roughly less than $100.

[15:35] Yeah,

[15:42] no industry.

[15:44] 0.0073, right?

[15:46] It's the tax bill for primary.

[15:54] Primary, primary home.

[15:58] Okay, that's why.

[15:59] Because I do not fund my hand.

[16:00] Yeah.

[16:01] Okay.

[16:02] Yeah.

[16:03] So it's less than $100.

[16:05] What's that?

[16:06] Less than $100.

[16:06] It is less than $100.

[16:07] Yes.

[16:10] There is no goal in the business.

[16:13] But there's

[16:18] not.

[16:18] I mean,

[16:22] anything else I can do to reduce it would be paying Peter, it would be

[16:25] robbing Paul a pay Peter. Is that the phrase, or are you robbing Peter?

[16:31] It's okay.

[16:36] You know, it is a significant increase.

[16:48] We are down on coal money. We did do adjustments, but this

[16:52] Step and grade that you guys adopted today would should put some stabilization in for the taxpayers in the long run.

[17:02] But we all knew that the first year we implemented it was going to be a little difficult.

[17:06] So basically to the...

[17:23] Yeah, there is some improvement...

[17:26] There's improvements to stuff that we have to do.

[17:28] Yeah.

[17:30] Proving stuff that we have to replace, so there's not nothing in this budget that's, yeah, they weren't there.

[17:39] No.

[17:39] I

[17:44] went with that.

[17:45] It was a good thing this question.

[17:48] I'll make a motion to prove the budget that it should be.

[18:15] With the employee salaries, matrix, we were able to do a colon.

[18:33] The matrix has a co-adjustment in it, the matrix you adopted, and then from there, that's

[18:41] where we place them onto the matrix, and then on Monday, when we went through the working

[18:46] session, we went through and see, we went through it evaluated, is this person grade too

[18:51] high or too low, is this the right step they should be on in that matrix?

[18:54] So yeah, there are a handful of people that are maxed out, but we discussed that on Monday.

[19:12] The improvements we saw as kind of noted to us Tuesday was the engineer.

[19:18] The engineer told us that we've accomplished this substantial amount of our kept improvement projects.

[19:24] support

[19:29] through that lift, we almost completed everything on that lift, except the largest

[19:36] ticket I have.

[19:37] I think that's pretty good from this board here that we're able to keep the taxes low

[19:46] and still maintain the facilities that we're charged with maintaining, you know, this

[19:56] is almost 100-year-old building, it

[20:01] still looks pretty good, you know, and you go to some

[20:03] places across the state, you could see really, you know, nickel and dined everything and

[20:11] they're having to vacate large parts of their courthouse, or just abandon them all together

[20:18] you know, and we're still in it. So, I mean, for us, you know, that's pretty good.

[20:26] Just kind of hearing that from the state of engineering that our capital projects were substantially

[20:31] completed. I think that's good.

[20:39] I guess I won't have too much questions right now because

[20:44] you know we've started this process back in April.

[20:50] One of the big things I've seen improvements

[20:52] for us is our roads. You know three years ago we bought the recycler folks that don't ever put that

[21:00] machine on my road and today they're asking when they can get there's when they can be on the list

[21:06] next, just

[21:09] the way we've done our road's program, our road department, you know what, we can't

[21:15] just keep moving rocks one side of the road to the other, you know, doing the same thing

[21:20] for 100 years and expecting a different result in these new technologies that the road department

[21:27] has implemented that helps save money along run and figured out we can spend a little money

[21:47] I would like to add that Canada's money is not touched in this budget, and the Pilt money is not touched, so that's about $135,000 should something come up in the middle of the year.

[22:05] Yes, salary

[22:26] matrix. Thank you for your help and your comments, questions and concerns. I think we

[22:39] Yes, it was

[22:50] Okay, next up we have the museum building repair

[23:16] And the budget we just passed you have $100

[23:23] ,000, $100,000, $100,000, $6,000 in your insurance

[23:32] fund.

[23:33] Let me turn to that.

[23:33] Oh,

[23:41] but it's a built, the museum building here, I think we have a little bit from the

[23:47] Brian and me to here at that one side of the door

[23:57] building, building what they call

[24:00] of my home, remember?

[24:01] Just a gun, cardboard.

[24:03] Okay.

[24:04] I thought it was a print shop.

[24:06] No, this is the, where they store all their old equipment.

[24:10] Yeah.

[24:10] This is a non-historic building.

[24:11] Yeah, it's the one that built back needs, so I'll make a motion to approve the estimate

[24:19] presented to us by Mr. Henry and the museum or insurance fund to recite that building.

[24:33] A second in the motion, on here we say aye.

[24:36] Right?

[24:46] We went through that facility back on the 21st of August.

[24:53] It's kind of exciting to see what the museum is doing with our property over there.

[24:59] And we can care for the facility and I think a couple of projects that we ask for.

[25:08] But one, if you could order and kind of help them, that board walker, be the smolterman who

[25:14] holds us to the board walker there.

[25:16] One

[25:21] of the interesting things was the local lumber yard is going to be building the site

[25:35] I can't remember what he told me, how many feet, his son died, 10 or 15,000 feet of a

[25:44] sight that he's going to build for the museum.

[25:51] Getting down to the localments.

[25:53] That's good.

[25:58] Public comment.

[25:59] In comments from the public comment, there being no public comment discussion, discussions

[26:10] of the work.

[26:12] Oh, yeah.

[26:14] Did the OR space?

[26:16] Or DOR?

[26:19] Good morning, everybody.

[26:21] Good morning.

[26:23] I have several things to go through, so I have DOR first, then I have the adoption tax

[26:35] I received an email Monday about the DOR looking for space to be able to put an employee

[26:48] in.

[26:49] I'm assuming I could be wrong, but I think it's our local assessor who was in the room

[26:54] to Virginia.

[26:55] I want to encourage this, some way somehow.

[27:04] I know that the Department of Revenue is looking for a space that is not feeed.

[27:09] They don't want rent because the assessor would be back

[27:16] with us either.

[27:18] We've thought three days and I've thought five days.

[27:21] I'm not sure what they're thinking yet.

[27:22] But I think it's imperative for the county to keep the assessor.

[27:29] I know that in, I mean, of course, my second term from coming first into the office to

[27:38] now, I can see the benefit of having a assessor full time, or at least three days a week in the

[27:46] county they bring us tax dollars I know they're probably not the most

[27:52] liked person in the county if they find things that aren't being assessed but

[27:58] I have seen our assessor find homes that have been there for 20 years and never

[28:02] paid taxes on them so is it to a benefit for the whole county to have her

[28:08] absolutely so it's something that I would encourage us and doesn't have to be in

[28:13] the courthouse even if the heritage building.

[28:18] Yes the big horn center I don't know

[28:21] when I'll ever get over that but I hope so and I'm willing to put her in my

[28:30] office it's not the ideal situation because she had she needs privacy and

[28:35] there would be no door and it would be in the back office with me but it would be

[28:39] we have discussed it if that's all we had.

[28:42] But I'm hoping that we can do something different

[28:45] where she has pregnancy and can talk to her,

[28:48] the big horn county residents as they come in.

[28:52] I don't know where to go with this

[28:53] and what our next step is,

[28:54] or if you gentlemen want to look at this

[28:58] or how we deal with it,

[28:59] but it is something that I think we need to get back

[29:02] with the state in a relatively decent time.

[29:06] They're asking for square footage

[29:07] and what not if we do find a spot because they need to draft a lease for us.

[29:13] They said they have a standard lease, which I think I forwarded the email to you folks.

[29:19] So that's the first order of business.

[29:23] Do you have any questions that I or Virginia can answer for you?

[29:27] Okay.

[29:28] Okay, there's nothing true of a space rent free.

[29:32] If we don't find Virginia office space rent free,

[29:38] what's the next step?

[29:40] I don't know.

[29:42] We're out of here.

[29:43] Oh, yes.

[29:44] That is my fear.

[29:46] My fear is we will no longer have an assessor, right?

[29:49] At this point, she's our full-time assessor.

[29:52] And she works.

[29:54] I mean, she does do a little training

[29:55] you know, all swear and she can if I if I give any incorrect.

[30:00] Information she can correct me, but she's full-time big horned pony, unless she's doing training with other employees of the state.

[30:10] Again, I say to boost her is detrimental to our budgets. You know, we just said and you're talking about budgets and it's all we're having this on the same day, but she truly does help us. The more properties that she catches that are untouched or improved,

[30:29] that need to be re-evaluated. The lower the taxes for the people that are

[30:35] painting taxes now. The people that get it maybe upset because they're

[30:42] paying their fair share now, but that lowers everyone else's fair share.

[30:50] Good point. I mean, we joke all the time. Don't let Virginia come to our house. I mean, it's it is a joke.

[31:14] I don't know to be honest. That was before my time. I think they were even on the third floor right over and they probably paid rent here. So she they didn't pay rent.

[31:24] I don't know on the second floor that I was before my time as well.

[31:28] I know when they moved us up here, we did pay rent, and the reason they moved us out is because of the negotiations of the space.

[31:36] And at the time the state was in a huge budget crisis and closed a bunch of offices.

[31:43] They did not intend to close the big court county office, but because the agreement could not be agreed upon, they chose to close it.

[31:52] And now I can tell you, like, for a site, they now have the VR back in the courthouse.

[31:57] They offer the space rent free.

[32:00] Several of the courthouses, that's how they're giving it, is so that they can have the Department

[32:06] of Revenue back on site where taxpayers can come in and see them, you know, because, like,

[32:12] the for a site, they would be in handle that amount of city, so they need to talk to something

[32:17] they had to drive all the way in the city to talk to something person.

[32:21] So the court houses have gone this route of offering the free space so that the tax that were there for the taxpayers to come in and see when they need to see us and I agree with the needs.

[32:37] I mean, they're basically looking at demoting me to rent much, which means that they would have to try to hire someone.

[32:44] I would have to call you, or go and read boxes to you.

[32:49] Possibly, or with that, I would actually be working for Red Lodge County,

[32:54] for Cardinal County.

[32:55] I would be out of big hook out.

[32:57] We would have no full time.

[32:58] As they would have to hire somebody.

[33:00] And at that point, all they would hire is probably an appraiser of Billings that would

[33:05] try it out here.

[33:06] So you would not have somebody who is familiar with the county who has worked in this county

[33:11] for over 12 years who has lived in this county and has the relationship that I do with not only

[33:18] the county but also with the trucks. I worked very well with them. So it is to me beneficial

[33:27] to finding the space that I can work out of and the way my current position works is I have the

[33:33] work option of telework that I can do three days in an office and two days at

[33:39] home. As it is with the three days in office probably part of that one day

[33:44] would be field work.

[33:49] Losing Virginia would hinder our budget. Okay, so my next

[33:54] question is is the deal we're gonna provide the office? Yes. Yes, chairs, cabinets,

[34:03] They will wire in for the state network for me to be able to be able to be on the state network.

[34:10] They will do everything they need to do to set up the office for me.

[34:13] They just want to have the required square footed space.

[34:16] So you just need this spot?

[34:18] I just need a room.

[34:19] So we probably, it doesn't have to be able to work.

[34:24] You know, it says we are specifically looking for free space as we will supply all necessary furniture, data and signage for the area.

[34:33] Okay, so we probably got from space and we've got a big one, is

[34:42] this going to be a dedicated space?

[34:45] Yes, well it can be, we have some opportunity to use a shared space.

[34:49] We have had some office that are shared space as long as we have the ability to lock up our records.

[34:57] So if there's a closet space with it that we can put five cabinets along up, because we

[35:04] do carry confidential information.

[35:07] But they have had some spaces that are shared, and it could potentially end up being,

[35:14] you know, right now they're looking for one employee, they may end up asking them actually

[35:19] for a shared space for cannabis to come in part time.

[35:22] So maybe I would end up sharing the department of revenue space with a cannabis person so three days I would be there two days they would be there kind of thing.

[35:32] So if they do a shared space it's more likely with another state agency.

[35:55] I'm sure we got something a little bigger.

[36:00] I haven't thought your little office downstairs by the bathroom side of the curb to be used for storage might be an option.

[36:08] But this is at least that she would use, she would actually share her space too.

[36:13] There's no privacy there.

[36:15] I would share my space if there was absolutely none other space.

[36:21] I don't have a problem sharing my space.

[36:23] I think it would be hard for her because of the privacy.

[36:27] There's, for us, in, um, with taxes, it's public knowledge.

[36:32] It is not for her because she deals a lot with, you know, industrial where you have everybody's,

[36:40] you can have their tax papers, right? Social security numbers, income statements.

[36:46] Right. And so she's a little bit different than we are, but I also don't want to lose her.

[36:53] And so I'm willing to share that space even though I don't think it's ideal.

[36:59] Why does this thing, and I want to pay for space that it wants reserved for itself?

[37:04] They just, it's been their policy since they've been reopening offices, not too.

[37:10] A lot of the offices that they kept open were originally at free as well.

[37:16] And I think I can't speak for them, but my personal opinion is that they look at it that

[37:22] that we've replaced the county assessor that used to be

[37:25] a county employee in the courthouse and whatnot.

[37:29] And so I think maybe that's the logic behind it

[37:32] that we work for the county

[37:34] in getting that value for your tax base.

[37:38] We lost that whole office when they didn't want to pay

[37:42] and they went on their crunch.

[37:45] And I had three employees in there at that time.

[37:47] Right.

[37:48] Along with the larger office right down,

[37:52] couple doors down.

[37:55] I think once they got that crunch and they actually took

[37:58] everybody out of the offices, the offices, the treasures offices especially

[38:03] felt that. We felt that in our offices. We felt it with our taxpayers. We knew

[38:08] when taxpayers come in, they didn't have anybody to talk to. They also put a lot

[38:14] of mileage. I'm sure on their vehicles with them trying to go to different

[38:19] places. I think it made a huge difference. And I think now, and this is from Mr.

[38:28] Bady himself, we want to work with the, the Dior wants to work with the counties

[38:32] in such a way where it is a, it's parallel. Like they know that they, the state can

[38:42] afford all these spots, and that's one of the reasons they closed. But if they can

[38:47] get them back in and us working together. It's going to benefit the county with better

[38:51] taxes and better assessments on the property but also help the DOR with not having as

[39:00] much money going out for them either. I think it should be a shared responsibility because

[39:08] they do bring us in a lot of money but in return I do send them a lot of money at the end

[39:12] of the month on taxes. So the state is making good money off of their

[39:15] there's been in the counties and the counties making their budgets.

[39:20] So I think the budgets are being met on both sides.

[39:43] Next topic.

[39:44] Yes.

[39:45] Harry, can you tell me again what you had next?

[39:48] Any other local option taxes?

[39:52] OK.

[39:53] So this was a topic that has been brought from the commissioners

[40:00] a couple different times.

[40:02] And one is a local option flat fear, a local option motor vehicle tax for my office and working with motor vehicles.

[40:14] Jeannie and I did discuss this and she had brought it up to me, I don't know, a month or so ago.

[40:21] And we wanted to revisit it. Am I correct, Jeannie?

[40:26] and to revisit to see if we want to do a flat fee. Right now just to give you a

[40:34] little update on my office, you know, with the new computer system of cars that

[40:40] came in, we were able to help a lot of our residents were way better. I mean,

[40:47] better in being that we have more pern plates out there than we ever have

[40:52] before, which means when you were exempt status, the tribal members, you couldn't

[40:58] before get a perm plate. You had to relinquish that exemption. Well they have

[41:03] changed that rule in that law, where now we can give tribal members

[41:10] perm plates on anything over 11 years old. It's across the board, anybody can get

[41:14] them. But so with that being said, we don't have as many people worrying about getting

[41:22] their takes say from our outlining areas prior oil line and some of the

[41:29] farthest away. But we now have read that I can think of right off the top of my

[41:37] head registered agents in Big Horn County. We're seeing more vehicles coming in

[41:46] to register from any state in the US.

[41:52] And so that's one of my questions.

[41:55] These LLC's that are licensed themselves

[42:00] to be able to be able to make licenses

[42:03] to pay that fee.

[42:04] Yes.

[42:05] They could do five at a time, pay one fee

[42:08] to pay that fee on their own.

[42:10] Each individual transaction would have a fee.

[42:14] And so yes.

[42:14] Because the other day I had to come across an ad, yeah, I'll say, let me get your license

[42:26] place for you, $39, and I'll take care of it, and I'll say $10,000, and I'll say $16,000,

[42:35] and I'll say $16,000, and I'll say $16,000, and I'll say $16,000, and I'll say $16,000, and I'll

[42:41] Let's go to one can and place it to the airport, so it's big business.

[42:50] I've just recently was working with the family member and they were getting ready to buy

[42:55] a motor home.

[42:56] And when you spend $120,000 for a motor home in a state that has a sales tax, you'd probably

[43:07] looking 10 to 20 thousand dollars in state sales tax. Why not get an LLC and go

[43:14] to Montana and pay a thousand you know. It's a ten thousand dollar

[43:19] probably savings for people in other state and that's on the low low side. It

[43:24] could be way more than that. I just don't know enough. But I know on the state we

[43:28] were discussing, it was 8%. You create an LLC, say, you know, Denise Riehl's LLC, and

[43:39] you get a registered agent in Big Horn County, and that registered agent walks into our

[43:44] motor vehicle, and now registers your vehicle. Say, say you have a car, say it's a real nice

[43:53] lamb rover, something like that, and a lot of cars might can help you with that, but at

[43:57] top-end car for $100,000 and in their state they're paying $10,000 and in here we're

[44:03] paying $300. That's a big business. It helps the state of Montana and you guys you

[44:10] gentlemen know more than anyone that I really dislike LLCs but now we've got

[44:15] actual businesses in heart and people that are running businesses with them as

[44:21] the registered agent paying taxes that own homes in Big Horn County and how do you keep

[44:28] saying no? If it gets overwhelming for my office I'll send them to DMV Express and

[44:33] Billings. But for the most part, if they're doing what they're supposed to and it's working

[44:37] out for the office, the county, the state, then I'm willing to do a few here. The next option

[44:43] for that to be to put a flat fee on there and so that we are earning our piece and so it's

[44:54] something that I think that we should look at. Out of the 56 counties, I think there's six counties

[45:00] Please still, I think if I'm not wrong one or two, that do not have a local option tax. So they want to deal with us. They want to work with us. But if we had a local option flat fee, I don't think that would push them away at all. I think that the local option tax might, but I don't think the, that the local option flat fee would.

[45:24] So,

[45:27] Jean, could the local auction tax be just placed upon the LLCs?

[45:33] Not the no-hats, the fee, the black fee.

[45:36] The local auction fee.

[45:38] Could that be placed only upon the LLCs?

[45:41] No, there's statues allowed for both the tax and the black fee, but they're on each vehicle.

[45:50] So, it's a transaction.

[45:53] to transaction or the tax as a percentage of the value.

[46:01] And Denise wants to do the flat fee as well.

[46:07] You would raise, you would raise, you would do a fee on everybody, not just.

[46:14] And I don't know.

[46:15] It would be locals too.

[46:17] Yes.

[46:20] And I think, you know, I crunch in the numbers.

[46:25] I don't want it to be high. I want it to be reasonable. Something that can come back into our office and help, you know, with the budgeting.

[46:35] It's one way, you know, we see the budgets. We see what we just went through, what Mike went through, definitely.

[46:43] Not only with our salaries but with the whole budget, that it would help maintain my office also.

[46:53] And the reason I say the local auction tax is because it's beneficial to the LLC's not

[47:00] to pay the local auction tax because that could be high and then that could take them

[47:05] out of our county where if we just have a flat fee and I don't want to hurt definitely

[47:10] our local, you know, residents like your discuss and judge, but I think if we started small

[47:16] learn how to work with it, learn to deal with it like $5 a transaction, nothing

[47:22] out of the ordinary that in that come in into our office then could could make

[47:31] it a little bit more stable all the way around. I think the county in

[47:34] In general.

[47:35] So

[47:40] if you go to a flat, if you

[47:44] still can't turn, it's the only thing you can see far.

[47:48] By themselves?

[47:58] Excuse me?

[48:00] This is your report.

[48:01] Mm-hmm.

[48:03] You mean the comment?

[48:07] Well, we had discussed it in the past.

[48:10] I didn't mean this time today.

[48:13] Mm-hmm.

[48:15] This here today is different.

[48:18] As the flat feet?

[48:27] We are both

[48:31] the left key and the or the tax would be put on the ballot for the voters to

[48:38] participate.

[48:39] So that's a long adult?

[48:41] Yes.

[48:47] I wouldn't have until when.

[48:49] Okay.

[48:50] This one could be any time.

[48:52] Yeah.

[48:53] It could be a special election.

[48:55] Yeah.

[48:58] Who pays for his special election?

[49:00] The county.

[49:01] It's

[49:08] good to discuss it.

[49:12] Come back to the some time and learn how to work session, talk about it.

[49:19] I'm going to pay for another state function that we don't get anybody to work.

[49:26] Agreed? I meant.

[49:34] The county's are going to this more and more, and I don't mean only the flat fee, but I mean local auction tax or fees to keep each.

[49:41] And I think that sort of been shown as the commissioners have wandered around the county,

[49:51] it does make it more stable.

[49:55] We would really be hurting as a county if we ever lost the treasurer's office, the motor

[50:00] vehicle part of it.

[50:02] Just because we have people coming from such a long ways away, that would take somebody

[50:08] that say per while having to go clear a DMV express and billions or something

[50:13] on those lines. I don't think that our residents could lose this I don't at

[50:20] one time I would say yes I don't but we still have to pay for it we still have

[50:27] to pay for the employees and whatnot and keep it you know solid in our offices

[50:33] Is it the address of the one higher?

[50:36] Yes.

[50:38] There fees are I think $50 to $100 a transaction.

[50:44] And so if you walk in there to get a driver's license or do a motor vehicle, say you need a title.

[50:52] And we do have folks that do this.

[50:53] They'll call and say, you know, we need a title today.

[50:56] What can I do?

[50:57] Will you come in and apply for it?

[50:59] We'll charge you $10.30 and send it to the state and the state I'll send you a title.

[51:04] Well, no, I need it today.

[51:05] We send them to DMV Express, all of a sudden they're paying $70 for a title because they're

[51:10] going to get it immediately.

[51:25] If you guys consider this journal working group, would you like Denise and Mike to present

[51:31] you with hard numbers as far as numbers of transactions annually, proposed fees, that type

[51:39] of stuff so that you can consider in more detail and then discuss it in a working session.

[51:46] Let's reach out to the DOJ because we paid for a study, it could tell us how many cars

[51:50] and then every day of fact for us when we did.

[51:53] No, I don't know what the road is going to generate.

[51:56] Yeah.

[51:56] The other thing is, are you guys to tell me if the fee would be a portion just like the tax

[52:01] would be here?

[52:03] There's, yeah.

[52:05] The staff you paid, I can forward you the staff to.

[52:08] Okay, because it's the city and the town we get some money, okay, see if that's what makes it so.

[52:17] I would say I would like to see it with Genie proposed.

[52:21] How many folks, how many plates are licensed?

[52:27] How many plates are licensed in the LLCs?

[52:31] There

[52:35] was one solution that Phillips County did with a resolution

[52:59] Yeah, you know, I've seen a lot of the stuff that you guys have been doing for the LLCs.

[53:05] I mean, even the cars that are 20, 30 years old are not cheap.

[53:10] We know.

[53:11] Didn't we do a vehicle for $3 million the other day or something?

[53:15] What?

[53:17] Yeah, I know for sure.

[53:18] Yeah, and give us examples.

[53:21] I mean, I can't tell you how many times usually it's a Porsche or Mercedes-Benz, but yeah, I think I think a couple of guys have come through.

[53:38] I would set the limit at $100,000 and only $100,000 is almost a work truck now, but I guess

[53:45] but yes.

[53:53] Let's look at it and I'll see what I can get put together, okay?

[53:59] And then we'll make a plan for a date, good with you ladies.

[54:07] Okay, so the third thing, is there any more questions, first of all, on that?

[54:19] The third thing is the MOU that Larry sent us.

[54:25] Yes.

[54:30] And it keeps popping up and I can't, I couldn't print out the whole thing the other day and

[54:36] now I try to get back into it and I can't get into it at all.

[54:41] The MOU, if you remember, was an agreement between the DOJ and the county treasure.

[54:49] for us doing their work, paying for the computers, paying for the paper and everything.

[54:54] We are supposed to be getting tens since a transaction, but of course we are one of

[55:00] the counties and I think out of a handful, I want to say two handfuls that have not signed

[55:06] yet. At the beginning I was like, let's not sign it because I don't think this is to our

[55:12] benefit. But more and more counties have looked into it and have chosen to sign it. I'm not so

[55:21] adamant about not doing it now because we're doing everything that they've asked us to do. We're

[55:26] already doing it. We're doing it. The big thing with the state and the MOU is that they have put

[55:36] everything over on to the counties, the buying of the computers, the paper, and if you'll

[55:42] remember the printers, the ink, you know, everything, if you'll remember at the beginning

[55:48] they were not doing that, they were sending that all to us, and they are no longer doing

[55:52] that.

[55:53] One of the reasons for the flat fee sort of ties in with this is we are getting nothing

[56:01] and our office from the state except I think I got a check for $300 for paper and ink for the

[56:08] last year I got that in July. So to recoup some of the tax payer, Big Horn County tax payers money,

[56:17] I think that this probably needs to be signed and we need to get our 10 cents of transaction and work

[56:26] forward on the previous deal with getting a transaction fee.

[56:39] I know that if I'm not wrong, Jeannie, you can correct me.

[56:43] You did have problems with how that MOU was worded.

[56:50] Initially, yes.

[56:53] But where we stand now, there's a couple things that have changed in it, and I don't have

[57:00] was much heart-broom over and over and one of the big issues that I had was goes back to

[57:06] your point of ten cents isn't enough. And so that I mean from a legal standpoint that's

[57:13] not necessarily that's more your land and kind of stepping outside my land, but if you

[57:20] sense 75 cents and more appropriate, however an appearance of the state is unwilling to wiggle

[57:26] on that sense of transaction and it's one of those, do we have little or nothing?

[57:34] So the MOU is ready for you to sign, should the board decide that you want to, at this

[57:42] point I don't think there's anything, a reason to hold out because it doesn't appear

[57:48] that the state is going to be increasing that, it's part of one of those minimally or

[57:53] I can fund mandates and counties that carry, you know,

[57:57] on behalf of the state.

[58:04] I can foresee in the future that the state

[58:10] had a per transaction fee regardless.

[58:14] They already have a percentage, a 3% fee

[58:19] on any titleing work that comes through.

[58:23] That happened a few years back, like five years back.

[58:27] But I can foresee them adding something to pay the counties the more aggressive the counties get with hey

[58:35] This is this is what we think we should be getting type of a thing

[58:39] But they haven't did it yet, but they will give us ten cents of transaction from what I understand

[58:47] Which I think Larry you're getting it and then I think once you sign it would go on down to the other

[59:00] And then it'll end up with my-

[59:02] I said, don't fly that.

[59:03] Right.

[59:04] Well, I wanted to have some clarification

[59:06] from the county attorney.

[59:08] I wanted to make sure that I don't do anything that,

[59:14] or have us or suggest us to sign anything

[59:16] that would hurt the county in any way.

[59:19] But if I have the county attorney's blessing,

[59:22] I feel a little bit better about it on the legal aspects of it.

[59:33] So that's all I had to present.

[59:35] But if you have any questions,

[59:43] good?

[59:45] Thank you.

[59:48] Thank

[59:51] you all.

[59:54] See why I waited this time?

[1:00:00] She only let me sneeze twice earlier. Then she gave up on me.

[1:00:08] Any more discussion?

[1:00:14] There being no other business

[1:00:16] emotions. I'll see you there. I'll see you there, bye-bye.

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