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Heat. Heat.
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All right. Today we have Dave Nadoo here
with us to answer some questions about
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being the chairman of the select board
of the town of Aspie, which is
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impressive as hell because not that many
people want that job.
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Uh Dave did something and he doesn't he
doesn't know I'm going to talk about
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this and I'm going to do it anyway. But
while I was thinking about the
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questions,
some of the people that I rely on to
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help me with these questions, um one of
them surprised me and said that Dave, I
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got this thing up a bug up my butt about
the state gives a class on being a
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selectman. are people take that class
before they run.
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» And it turns out it's it's more
parliamentary parliamentary procedure
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type of a class
>> which you can read a book. You can see
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it online. But what you did which
I was amazed because I don't think
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anybody else has ever done this. You
attended committee meetings of all the
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major committees that we have going in
the town. So, you know what was going
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on?
>> I did.
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» Do Did you ever hear of anybody else
doing that?
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» I did not. It was uh suggested
uh by somebody that I was talking with
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before I actually really decided if I
wanted to be on the board. And they
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said, "Well, why don't you start
attending some of the other boards
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meetings?" I said, "That's a fantastic
idea." So I joined all of the meetings,
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board of health, conservation planning
board just to figure out where the town
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was going uh and learn because I didn't
know anything at that time.
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» And I have to say feedback that I got
from those people that were on those
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committees at that time, they were
impressed as all hell.
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» Really? They they thought this guy
really wants to do the job. And that to
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me that that just I think there should
be some kind of a law passed that every
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board member should do that
because then they come then they come
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with an awareness that is essential I
think to be part of running the town.
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Otherwise, you're sitting there for the
first month or two trying to figure out
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what what's going on.
>> Yeah.
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» You already knew what was going on cuz
you were there and you did it and you
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all right.
>> And I didn't I read actually several
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months of meeting minutes from
committees and boards.
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» See,
>> so I would be prepared for what was to
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come.
>> And it it I I guess it it showed.
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» Thank you.
>> It it is it is good.
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» I appreciate that. Okay. What made you
decide to become a Schle board member?
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» So, that's a funny story. Um, I was
approached by Lillian Whitney.
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» Oh, yeah.
>> Okay.
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» Um, she called me several times um and
grabbed my ear and said, "You know, the
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town needs you." I said, "Really?"
I said, "Needs me for what?" We want you
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to be on the select board. I said,
"Well, who is we?" And uh all the people
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in town.
So, I laughed. I said, "Well, I've never
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done that before. I'm not sure I could
possibly do that." Uh how much time was
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involved? And she offered to help. Um
and she was a sweetheart. She
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she really believed in me at that time.
>> Um and encouraged me.
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» Uh she would call me a couple times
every week. uh have you pulled papers?
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Are you going to do it? We have a
meeting at uh Scott Sweeny's house if
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you'd like to come meet him. He's on the
select board. Um and I said, "Okay."
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So, she really enticed me to do this. Um
so, like you mentioned before, I started
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listening to meetings and I started
attending select board meetings. I
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attended every select board meeting. uh
that I possibly could. I don't think I
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missed one
>> for several months prior to me uh
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pulling papers.
>> So it was interesting. Um so a lot of
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that credit goes to Lillian Whitney.
>> That that amazes me.
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» Everybody says that.
>> Yeah.
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» She believed in me.
>> Yeah.
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» You know.
>> Yeah.
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» And
>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
>> That that's great. I mean I you know I
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that is
>> not many people know that. I've told
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some people, but yeah, not many people
know that.
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» Ah,
>> that's good.
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» Yeah,
>> that's good.
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» Um, beginning your position on the
select board
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» for a few years now. You've been in it
for a few years now.
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» Does the town operate the way you
thought it did? So, there's many
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different aspects of town government,
and you can't possibly know every aspect
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of it. Um, so when I first got on,
I actually thought the select board was
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in charge of every single thing
possible. Um,
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and
>> in an oversight type of way.
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» Yeah. And I started
>> You thought you're going to find out
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everything that happened didn't happen.
>> And I started to get overwhelmed.
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» Okay.
>> And was to a point, well, is this really
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what I'm supposed to be doing? Um, and I
did have a mentor uh who talked me
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through some of this. Uh, not from town.
She serves on a council uh in Lemonster.
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» Okay.
>> And she said, "Dave, don't worry about
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any of that stuff. Everything's going to
fall into place. Do not try to reinvent
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the wheel.
>> Um, just kind of go with the flow and
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learn." Um, and when I first got
elected,
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I Let me go back. Before I got elected,
I spoke to Mike McCuel, okay?
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» And he said, "You know, Dave, the first
year, just sit back and learn and
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listen. Don't make any big decisions.
Just sit back and learn." And I did
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that.
>> Um, so that helped.
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» Did you serve with um Mike?
>> I did.
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» You did. Okay.
>> I did. When I first started, it was me,
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Mike, and Scott.
>> Okay.
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» Uh I Janet Flingstrom uh did not run
again, so her seat was vacant,
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» right?
>> Um
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nobody ran against me,
but I did put out signs. I sat at
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Yep. My hall was the first time
>> and I stayed out there for however time
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the poll was open for. So, back to how I
think the talent should work or what
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should have worked.
I didn't really know at the time. It's
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I'm still learning.
>> It's a process. This is going on four
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years and I still don't know everything.
>> Okay.
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» But I surround myself with good people
and people that I trust.
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» Good. Good.
>> That that does Yeah, that sounds good.
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It sounds
logical.
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I mean,
>> yeah,
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» you definitely had targets, I guess you
would call them.
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» And I realized I can't do it all myself.
>> Yeah.
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» You know.
>> Yeah. Well, that's that's a lot of
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people in this town think they could.
>> Yeah.
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» And they don't want interference.
>> How many hours do you put in as the the
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chair of the select board?
>> H
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» on a week, weekly basis. uh between
phone calls, emails, and such, I'm sure
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I put in about 20 20 hours,
>> maybe 30 uh depending on the week. This
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week was a very busy week. We had uh we
had to get ready for town meeting uh
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warles.
>> The last two months, I would say, you
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had you had select board meetings almost
every week. It's supposed to be just
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once every two weeks.
>> It's tough, you know. Uh but you do what
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you have to do to keep everything
running.
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» The town doesn't stop.
>> Average 25 hours.
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» 2530 hours. Yeah,
>> that's fair.
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» That that Well, um, does the town
operate the way you thought it should
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from the hourly point of view? Did you
think you were going to put in more or
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less hours?
>> Less.
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» Less hours.
>> I did.
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» And so it surprised you. Do you think
that your other two
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partners on the table
put in as many hours?
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» Oh, I believe Mike McCallen put in a lot
more than that. Okay.
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» Yeah.
>> How about Doug and Jessica?
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» Oh, the current board members we have
now. Oh, that's a Oh, yeah. They put in
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just about the same, if not more,
probably.
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» Really?
>> Yeah.
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» Yep.
>> Doug is very involved. Um, he kind of I
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look at him as the day-to-day liaison.
Not now, but prior because we didn't
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have a town administrator,
>> right? So Doug would, you know, come to
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town hall probably every day in the
morning,
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» right?
>> Uh make his rounds and, you know, make
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sure that town ran during the day. U
Mike Bustle, who was the interim town
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administrator at that time would call me
if there was an issue. Uh but him did a
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really good job
>> um when we didn't have a TA and then
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bringing Jessica on board.
>> She's amazing.
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» Yeah.
>> Simply amazing.
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» Well, how how did
Not being fully staffed
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affect your job
at the point where you didn't know
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everything yet? It
>> was hard.
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» Where did you get your your
Who was your mentor through that whole
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thing?
>> Claire Freda.
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» And she's a
>> she's a city councelor city council
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woman from Lemonster.
>> Okay. All right. And she understood and
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» Oh, yeah. She's been on the council for
a very long time.
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» Okay.
>> She's been the top vote getter in Lster
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for many, many years.
>> Oh, okay.
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» As a council woman. Yeah.
>> She's great.
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» Good advisor.
>> Yep. I uh I lean on her a lot. I do.
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» Okay.
>> Because it's also an independent view
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» of
what I think is going on in town. And
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she's looking from the outside.
>> Well, it's a non noni
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» nonbias.
Yeah. So, It's probably enjoyable for
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her not to worry about whose toes she's
stepping on. That's right.
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» By giving you the advice, let him step
on your toes.
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» True.
>> Which, you know, might happen. I had I
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I'm going to go right to this question.
>> How much do you make as a select board
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member?
>> We make absolutely nothing.
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» That's that's what I I want people to
know that
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» you don't get even reimbured for
>> nothing.
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» Nothing. I have no no reimbursements.
I've never put in a receipt for
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anything.
>> Now, is there pressure on your family
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because of the hours that you've been
putting in and the phone calls you get
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at the weirdest times?
>> Absolutely.
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» Yeah.
>> It's a lot of pressure.
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» Yeah.
>> Um in all of this for the past four
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years, my wife has been the rock.
You know, she's uh absolutely amazing
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» because she's taken this ride. Do you
hear you signed up for it?
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» Uh, somewhat
>> at times.
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» Yeah. Yep. And a few other choice words
that we won't say this evening.
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» No, but you know, it's hard
>> uh because it
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» I am on the phone a lot and I'm
answering emails at all hours of the
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night because I try to spend time with
her as well. There's a balance, right?
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And if you don't have that balance, it's
not going to work.
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» Yeah.
>> So, I have to be
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open to
adjusting my hours at home and making
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sure I give her the attention she needs
as my wife.
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» Now, is this the first time that your
phone has been turned off in a while?
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» So, it's funny you said that because
we're starting a new practice in my
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home.
>> Mhm.
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» And that is
about 8 8:30. I'm trying to silence my
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phone. And when I mean silence, I put it
on airplane mode and I put it on the
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side of my bed.
And if somebody really needs me or if
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something really happened, they know my
home phone number. I have a landline
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» and
Mike, Mary, Jessica or Doug. I'm sure I
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would get a phone call and say, "Hey, so
I need to learn to balance town verse
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your your life, your home life, your
social life." A lot of things I have
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missed
due to town stuff. Um, and my wife is
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completely understanding.
You know, she sees how much I enjoy
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doing this
>> and
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I think deep down inside
she enjoys me doing this as well.
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» Well, what what did you used to do with
your spare time?
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» I worked and I worked and I worked. Um,
I am a medical assistant at a cardiology
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practice and I worked for a bez excuse
me a busy electrophysiologist.
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» Uh, he's a surgeon and I would go in at
7. I would leave 7 8:00 at night Monday
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through Thursday, sometimes going in on
Fridays. Um, I consumed myself with
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work.
>> And did they understand when you said,
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"Hey, listen. I'm gonna run for sweat
person in my town, so I'm not gonna be
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able to put in as many hours.
>> Yes.
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» Did that affect the practice?
>> Um,
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no.
>> I think it affected other people's
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workload a little bit,
>> but not drastically.
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» Okay.
>> Um,
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I was very open with the doctor and he
was very excited for me. He said, "You
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should do that. I think you would be
good at it."
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» That's good.
>> You know, he was a
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» I would say he was one of my
cheerleaders.
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» You know,
>> he'd always ask me, "Hey, so what are
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you doing tonight? You got a meeting
tonight?" Um, and occasionally he would
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uh Oh, I noticed that we're going to
have a few of your constituents in
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today.
And he would make a point of it to uh
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come in while I'm with one of them. And
>> because I would never mention it at
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work.
>> I really tried to keep my
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» Yeah.
>> work in town separate. So I never, you
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know,
>> Right.
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» Uh but he would make a point to uh
mention that sometimes.
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» Yeah.
>> He's a really good guy.
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» It's kind of a
>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. He was
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» without you asking for it, you get that
pat on the back that hey
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» Yeah. Another fan like he mentor fan. He
motivated me.
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» Yeah.
>> You know, he um he encouraged me. Do you
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get that from towns people?
>> I do.
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» That's good.
>> I do.
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» That's good.
>> I do. I think I get more of that than I
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get of the naysayers,
>> you know, because there's a lot of
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people.
>> Is that what you expected?
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» Um,
>> did you expect more of a hard time from
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the normal people that give everybody a
hard time?
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» What I've learned is some people have
agendas.
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» Oh, yeah.
And if you don't go along with their
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agenda,
goodbye.
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» Yeah.
>> And that's how it kind of went.
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» Yeah. That's
>> Yeah.
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» That's that's one way to do it, I guess.
>> Yeah.
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» For a good part of your tenure as a
sweatboard member,
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» it seems you have been in difficult
staffing situations.
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» How does this affect the running of the
town? And did you think anything could
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be done to minimize future resignations.
I don't think you in your first four
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years.
>> Yeah.
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» There hadn't been much time in that four
years where there was three select
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people.
>> No,
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» it was always two.
>> Correct.
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» That that is
>> there was a lot of change.
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» That is unusual. A
>> lot of turnover.
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» Yeah.
>> And it was hard.
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» Yeah. Um, I was new
and when somebody tells you, okay, you
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know, it's either affecting their home
life or they have a medical condition or
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something and they need to step away,
you have that moment where you say,
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» oh yeah, something like that. Yeah,
exactly. Um, and but you know what? Like
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I said earlier,
you surround yourself with good people.
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» Yeah. And we have amazing people in this
town. Employees, volunteers,
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amazing.
>> They
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I don't think I've ever had somebody
say, "No, I can't do that for you."
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» I have a lot of people say, "How can I
help you?
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» Is there anything I can do for you?"
>> So,
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yep, there was some resignations. Um,
people decided to move on and such. You
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can't control that,
>> you know. You got to just keep going
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forward and do the best you possibly can
with what you have. And we have amazing
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staff. So, it was easy.
>> Now, you you've been with I'm going to
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call it two different
or actually three different town
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administrators,
>> Mr. Hansen.
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» But the last two the last two
>> had very very different styles.
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» Mhm.
Um, I'm being kind and you know it.
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» How did you handle the two different
styles and get the same job done?
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H when did it come to a point that you
said to yourself, I I I just can't do it
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that way or
you know I this doesn't seem right to me
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or you know because the one person was
very difficult for the volunteers in
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town to work with
>> and that had to affect you because I
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know a lot of people that they just
decided you know what I'm not doing
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anything until that person is gone.
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That's a very good question. It's,
you know, you hindsight's 2020,
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» right?
>> Oh, yeah.
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» Um, and everybody has different
personalities and different ways of
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doing things.
And
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you can't knock them for that because
that's their style, their personality.
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you're not changing somebody's
personality or the way they do things.
[20:11]
Um,
so you try to work with them. You try to
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do the best you can. And sometimes
people decide to part ways and that's
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okay, you know. Um,
it's taxing though. It's taxing on the
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employees.
Um,
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» left.
>> Yeah.
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» Yep.
>> Or were totally
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» long-term employees.
>> Yeah.
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» Okay. All right. Let's let's not get
into that type of a negativity then.
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» No, it is what it is.
>> Yeah.
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Um, some people who have been on the
select board in the past came to the
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select board with plans to introduce
changes to improve the town. Did you
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have improvements and changes as part of
your plans when you were elected?
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» No.
>> Okay.
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» Zero.
>> You didn't see anything that you said,
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"Boy, I wish I could make that a little
bit different or I wish I could, you
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know, in the future, can we do this a
little bit different?" Did you change
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anything the way it's done?
>> I I know there one thing that you did
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do. You got the 15minute clock now.
>> Yes. which I don't think we even know
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the results of that yet because it just
started
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» and the people that caused it I think
are fading away.
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» So, you know, you know what I'm saying?
It's
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» I mean there was a reason we did it.
>> Yep.
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» Do you see that going on forever?
>> For as long as I'm on the board, I would
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hope so.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.
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» But things change,
>> you know, people come and go, things
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change,
>> right?
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» Um, in the beginning, I didn't really
know what to think. So, I did take
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» Mike McCllum's advice. I sat back and
watched,
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» right?
>> You know, and it it takes a good two
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years
to really figure out the ins and outs
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and how certain departments work. And of
course, you could just jump in and say,
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"Ah, you should do it that way." Well,
doesn't work that way. You know, you put
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a department head in place
>> because they know that job. They're the
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expert, right? They're the professional
in that job.
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» So, you have to respect that. And you
don't go in,
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» okay, here we go. We're doing it this
way now. This way now. No, we it's it's
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about conversations,
>> you know, how are we going to do it,
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» right? let's figure this out together.
>> Yeah.
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» You know,
>> because if we're not doing it together,
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one of us is doing it alone and it's not
going to work.
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» So now, by not having,
I guess, what politicians called a
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platform with, you know, we're going to
do this and this and this and this,
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we're going to strengthen this and get
rid of this and blah blah blah.
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Does that way of thinking
help in a town situation,
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small town situation.
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» There could be a ripple effect with
that.
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» Okay.
>> Um,
[23:29]
like I said, you have to allow the
people
[23:34]
to do their jobs.
>> Yeah.
[23:36]
» You know, you can't go in there with a
hammer
[23:39]
and
>> if you need a screwdriver.
[23:41]
» Yeah. You don't you need to learn it.
And that's one thing I did. I learned
[23:46]
the departments.
I met with the department heads. Um
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I got to know them,
>> you know, personally
[23:58]
» and professionally
and they taught me. So,
[24:03]
» and you were willing to learn.
>> Absolutely.
[24:05]
» See that that
>> I love to learn. If you saw a a a
[24:09]
destructive
entity enter into a facet of the town
[24:16]
that you as the select board oversee.
>> Mhm.
[24:22]
» You don't you don't do it. You oversee
it.
[24:25]
» Correct.
>> How would you handle that?
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» Um conversations.
>> Yeah.
[24:33]
» You have to have conversations.
>> Yeah. You know, I'm a firm believer in
[24:39]
having good conversation. You know what?
We're not always going to agree. We're
[24:45]
not always going to agree with the way
somebody does their job or the way they
[24:50]
get to A to B. I might do it
differently, but you have put that
[24:55]
person in that place in that job to do
the job,
[24:59]
» right? And
you have to have conversations and it's
[25:05]
feedback. You know, I've had plenty of
people come to me, Dave, I wish you
[25:10]
didn't say that that way. I wish you
wouldn't have done that. Okay. Why not?
[25:17]
Why? Tell me why. Not just you shouldn't
have done it. Tell me why don't you
[25:23]
think I should have done it that way?
And then you have a conversation and you
[25:27]
figure it out. Sometimes you're like,
"Yeah, you're right. You know what? I
[25:31]
got to change."
>> Or it's opposing points of view and
[25:34]
sorry, but that's how I feel.
>> You just agree to disagree.
[25:37]
» Yeah.
>> You know,
[25:38]
» yeah.
>> Somebody once said to me, "If you don't
[25:44]
agree with somebody or the way they the
thought process or whatever,
[25:50]
he goes he can say this." He goes, "I
appreciate your opinion, but I don't
[25:55]
share it."
>> Yeah.
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Yeah, that's a
>> Yeah, that
[26:00]
» because we all have opinions and you you
have a certain way you want to do
[26:03]
things.
>> Oh, yeah.
[26:04]
» You know, look at this great this great
space right now.
[26:06]
» Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> We said, Jim, well, you came to us and
[26:10]
you said, "We want to do a studio."
>> I said, "That's fabulous."
[26:14]
» Yeah.
>> And we weren't coming down here with the
[26:17]
clipboard.
He said, "Go for it. You're surrounded
[26:23]
by great people."
>> And we got the budget. And you got the
[26:26]
budget.
>> That was the Well, we don't have a
[26:29]
budget.
>> We had the account
[26:32]
» which was sitting there for
>> Comcast. Yeah. Comcast account just to
[26:36]
be clear. It's not the operating budget
or anything,
[26:39]
» right?
>> But we didn't come down here and tell
[26:41]
you how to do it.
>> We didn't tell you. True. You know,
[26:45]
» you had a vision
>> and I believed in your vision and Joe
[26:50]
and Emma,
>> you know, you guys had a vision.
[26:53]
» No way would I ever step. I know nothing
about the audiovisisual world.
[26:57]
» Neither do I.
>> It's not my specialty.
[26:58]
» Neither do I. How is it built?
>> Right.
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» They tell me what it has to be.
And I Yeah. I guess a lot of people in
[27:06]
town are like the same.
>> They they use their strengths to work
[27:11]
with other people to make something, do
something, achieve something. So yeah,
[27:20]
it was pretty cool,
>> you know. And you
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» Yeah.
>> You surround yourself with good people.
[27:24]
» Yeah. you know, people you trust and
rely on.
[27:27]
» Hey, you've been four years now.
>> It'll be going on four years. Yes.
[27:32]
» It'll be four years in a month.
>> You're going to love this question.
[27:35]
» Oh, I love it.
>> How did co
[27:38]
and Zoom affect the town?
[27:44]
» You must have a special story about Zoom
>> because we're still doing it.
[27:49]
» Yeah.
>> CO was awful. Let's face it. It was it
[27:53]
was a terrible time.
>> Um,
[27:56]
but
everybody
[28:00]
supported everybody wherever you were,
>> you know. Um, and it really showed the
[28:08]
compassion
that
[28:11]
was insides some people, you know,
because people were getting sick, people
[28:15]
were dying.
>> Oh, yeah. you know, and town government
[28:20]
still runs.
>> So, how do you do it?
[28:26]
» Zoom.
I wish I bought stock in Zoom when CO
[28:32]
first hit.
>> Oh, yeah.
[28:34]
» Um,
Zoom is a great thing.
[28:40]
I believe that it has gotten many people
more involved
[28:46]
in town government, just in the town in
general with volunteerism.
[28:53]
Um, people are able to do it from their
home where sometimes they may not have a
[28:58]
car. Um, they may want to get to a
meeting. It could be snowing out. Let me
[29:03]
hop on the computer.
>> Oh, yeah.
[29:06]
» And you can interact.
>> It's a great thing. Um,
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I love that we're back in town hall
because when I first joined the board,
[29:17]
never had a meeting in town hall and I
couldn't wait
[29:20]
» Oh.
>> to get back into town hall.
[29:23]
» Yeah.
>> So, that was the timing.
[29:26]
» Yeah.
>> Cuz to me, Zoom was, you know, it was
[29:30]
almost like
we have Zoom now we could have COVID.
[29:37]
What would we have done if we didn't
have Zoom?
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» It would have been
>> Well, it would have been six foot
[29:44]
sitting six foot apart meetings
>> outside.
[29:47]
» Remember the town meeting we had at
Allenfield?
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» That was uh
>> strange.
[29:53]
» I won't forget the day Mike Bustle Mike
McCllum was uh wrapped up in a jacket.
[29:58]
We had a heater blown and the sound was
too much for the communication part.
[30:04]
» So they said, "We got to shut the heater
off." I'm like, "What?
[30:08]
What do you mean shut the heater off?
This is going to be a long meeting.
[30:11]
Everybody's in their cars. The heat's
cranking. Here we are. Me, Mike, the
[30:15]
moderator. There was a ton of people
there. It was
[30:19]
» I was It was amazing to be a part of
that."
[30:22]
» Yeah.
>> Because that's never happened.
[30:25]
» Yeah, it's true.
>> You know,
[30:27]
» it's true.
>> Outside in front of Ashby Elementary
[30:30]
School another time.
>> Yeah.
[30:32]
» Granted, it was much warmer at that
time.
[30:34]
» Yeah. Still the just putting that thing
together.
[30:39]
» It was
>> amazing people.
[30:40]
» Yeah, it was it was
>> amazing from the clerk
[30:43]
» to everybody helped out. Everybody
>> everybody got together and helped
[30:50]
wherever they could.
>> It's
[30:53]
this community is amazing
especially when
[30:59]
the crap hits the fan.
It could be anything from somebody's
[31:04]
house catching fire
>> to somebody losing a family member to
[31:10]
somebody having a new grandbaby.
Everybody wraps around and supports each
[31:16]
other in the time of needs, in time of
happiness. Doesn't matter. They may not
[31:23]
agree with you all the time, but I found
a lot of people that don't necessarily
[31:28]
agree with my thought process or my
opinions. They'll be the first to call
[31:33]
me and say, "Hey, how you doing? I
noticed you were off on the meeting a
[31:37]
little bit. Anything going on?"
And it
[31:42]
I was blown away. Many times it's
happened. I'm like, "Thank you for
[31:46]
calling." People just call and say, you
know, I appreciate you. I appreciate
[31:50]
what you're doing.
>> Really? Yeah. Many, many times. That's
[31:54]
what keeps me going, Jim. It's that
>> I've talked to a lot of other
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» select board members. Nobody's ever said
that to me that they get called to say
[32:07]
that they're appreciated or all of them
say they get called calls.
[32:13]
» Oh, we get those too. Let's not, you
know,
[32:15]
» but
>> but the good definitely outweighs the
[32:18]
bad
>> every once in a while.
[32:20]
» There's one. There's one or two. Yeah.
>> And you know, our job is to listen.
[32:24]
» Yeah.
>> We're not going to face it. Sometimes we
[32:26]
can, but we listen. We try to help them
as much as we can. Some of it's out of
[32:33]
our control, but you show support. All
people, some people just want to be
[32:39]
heard, you know, and their opinion
matters as well as my opinion, your
[32:44]
opinion. Everybody's, it matters because
that's how they feel.
[32:49]
» Do you think people
feel like you you are the person that
[32:55]
changes things.
>> They do
[32:59]
» when they when they approach you. Like
last night, I was listening to somebody
[33:03]
that was talking during 15 minutes.
>> Mhm.
[33:06]
» And I got the impression that they
wanted to say it and you were going to
[33:13]
change it
>> immediately.
[33:14]
» Just like that. You were going to write
something out and it was done. It was
[33:18]
changed. Mhm.
>> You don't have that power, do you?
[33:21]
» No, we do not.
>> And you don't want that power.
[33:24]
» No, I do not.
>> No, I do not.
[33:27]
» Okay.
>> But I'll help them.
[33:29]
» Oh, no.
>> You know, that's obvious.
[33:32]
» Get it there.
>> But that's you.
[33:34]
» Yeah.
>> That's you. You You're sticking yourself
[33:37]
out there. That's unusual
>> for for a select board member to put
[33:42]
themselves out there like that.
But you seem to have that personality
[33:47]
and people look at you and say, "Oh,
brown eyes.
[33:53]
I could talk to this guy."
>> Uh, you sound.
[33:56]
» No, but you but you you have that
temperament that you make it easy to
[34:02]
talk to you.
>> Thank you. Appreciate that.
[34:05]
» Well, I'm not I'm not trying to make the
move on you. I'm just saying that
[34:09]
» I think from what I've understood,
that's the way people feel about you.
[34:14]
you you have that temperament that you
know they got to say it to somebody.
[34:20]
» Yeah.
>> You know, so thank you very much for
[34:23]
coming in.
>> Thank you.
[34:24]
» And uh you know we we I think we learned
a lot about the select board, you know.
[34:32]
» I mean so thank you. I appreciate it.