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[0:08] All right, welcome everybody. Welcome to

[0:10] our regular council meeting for Monday,

[0:12] December the 8th. If you are able, I

[0:15] would ask you please stand and join us

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[1:54] » We would like to begin by respectfully

[1:55] acknowledging that the town of Shelurn

[1:57] resides within the traditional territory

[1:59] and ancestral lands of the Nishaave,

[2:02] including the Ajiu, Ottawatami, Chipoa,

[2:06] and the people of the Three Fires

[2:07] Confederacy. These traditional

[2:09] territories upon which we live, work,

[2:12] play, and learn are steeped in rich

[2:14] indigenous history and traditions. And

[2:16] it is with this statement that we

[2:17] declare to honor and respect past and

[2:20] present connection of indigenous people

[2:22] with this land, its waterways, and

[2:25] resources.

[2:27] Are there any disclosures of pecuniary

[2:30] interest?

[2:34] » All right. Minutes from our November

[2:36] 24th meeting in the agenda. Can I have a

[2:39] move and second to approve those as

[2:42] presented by sample second by

[2:48] discussion those?

[2:51] All in favor?

[2:54] All right. to public question period.

[2:58] Before I open it up, I I will say that

[3:00] the council did receive uh a few

[3:03] comments um from residents today. Those

[3:07] that was circulated to all of us. Um

[3:11] most of them that that I sort of read

[3:13] through they they were more sort of

[3:14] commentary expressing opinions on on a

[3:18] report that's uh that's coming up in a

[3:20] few minutes, which is fine. um that

[3:22] there were no uh no questions in at

[3:26] least two of them. Uh Randa, you you had

[3:31] submitted one. Did you want to ask

[3:33] something further? Um

[3:36] well

[3:42] I guess

[3:53] I'll I'll stop you there just and and

[3:55] one thing I I do want to clarify bit

[3:58] because this seemed to be a bit of a

[3:59] common theme through some of the some of

[4:02] the comments that council received.

[4:03] Council hasn't taken a position on this.

[4:08] At our last meeting on November 24th, we

[4:10] were presented with report. Uh there

[4:12] were some proposed options for council

[4:14] to consider that looked at uh at some

[4:18] potential changes to uh our uh our

[4:22] procedural bylaw. Uh we had a brief

[4:24] discussion two Mondays ago. We decided

[4:27] to defer that until tonight to give all

[4:29] the council a little more opportunity to

[4:31] give it some thought.

[4:33] >> [clears throat]

[4:33] » [clears throat]

[4:34] >> what one of the comments I heard but saw

[4:36] » what one of the comments I heard but saw

[4:36] uh today which was that council should

[4:38] reconsider

[4:40] uh council hasn't made a consideration

[4:43] on it. So we we can't reconsider

[4:45] something that we haven't yet

[4:46] considered. Um that will be considered

[4:49] under report number three. Um, so yes, I

[4:53] I think to answer your your question,

[4:55] yeah, we we are aware of what your

[4:58] concerns are, we'll we'll likely have

[5:00] further discussion for that report, but

[5:03] I do just want to make clear council has

[5:05] not made a decision. So, it's not a

[5:08] matter of us needing to reconsider

[5:09] something yet that we haven't decided.

[5:17] Anybody else?

[5:20] Okay. All right. Uh, council inquiries.

[5:25] I I do just want to give a a quick shout

[5:27] out to uh town staff for the Santa Claus

[5:31] parades, which was this past Saturday.

[5:35] Um, we were just talking about it. It it

[5:38] certainly has been colder uh in in past

[5:41] parades. So, it was actually kind of a

[5:42] pleasure to walk around this year and

[5:44] and not be frozen by by the time we

[5:48] finished. Uh 24 floats was that the

[5:50] final

[5:52] 24 plus

[5:55] maybe a couple of extra last minute

[5:57] entries. Anyways, um yeah, it great nice

[6:01] turnout to see a large portion of

[6:04] affinity out. Lots of smiling faces and

[6:06] lots lots of kids collecting candy and

[6:10] hot chocolate at the Legion and taking

[6:12] part in what has become a I think a

[6:15] really nice tradition for our community

[6:17] to kind of kick off the festive season.

[6:19] And so

[6:21] staff pass that along to everybody who

[6:24] had a hand in making it happen.

[6:28] and to the IIA. Yeah. But but town staff

[6:31] was was there closing streets.

[6:34] >> Yeah. Helping with the the tree

[6:37] » Yeah. Helping with the the tree

[6:37] lighting.

[6:41] » It was Greg Clark.

[6:42] >> Yeah.

[6:44] » Yeah.

[6:44] >> Anybody who who knows the movie

[6:46] » Anybody who who knows the movie

[6:46] Christmas Vacation, it was a classic

[6:47] Christmas Vacation moment. Uh we did a

[6:50] countdown. I plugged in the lights. They

[6:52] didn't light up. So we had to figure it

[6:55] out. you worked on this back in the town

[6:57] position.

[6:59] Uh any other inquiries?

[7:02] Sorry, council.

[7:04] >> Yeah, this might be something that can

[7:05] » Yeah, this might be something that can

[7:05] be pushed off into uh item number two in

[7:08] the consideration of items, but I have

[7:10] had an inquiry uh from residents who own

[7:14] buildings on Main Street. Um they have

[7:16] tenants who have parking. We currently

[7:20] have monthly passes for the beautiful

[7:22] parking lots and we also have an annual

[7:25] pass. Problem is times like this this

[7:29] general season when people want to have

[7:31] people stay over. We don't have an

[7:32] option for an overnight or a single day

[7:35] pass and questions been raised. What can

[7:38] we do to possibly implement a single day

[7:41] pass or single overnight pass?

[7:45] And I don't know if that's something

[7:46] that we should push that off into item

[7:48] number two or [clears throat]

[7:50] you know Jennifer may have a thought

[7:52] >> through your worship those questions

[7:54] » through your worship those questions

[7:54] have been posed as well and the uh

[7:56] answers to those

[7:58] that question asked that question was uh

[8:01] we can prorate it on a daybyday basis of

[8:04] course per not a physical piece of paper

[8:07] because we found those shared

[8:10] so it's based on plate model you just

[8:14] need a few days notice is understanding

[8:16] you know if you're having company you

[8:18] follow it you just need a few days

[8:20] notice this is what the community

[8:24] take monthly break on basis receives

[8:34] three days

[8:38] >> so then we should let them know just

[8:39] » so then we should let them know just

[8:39] come to the town hall last for three

[8:41] days in advance and say we're looking

[8:43] for

[8:44] >> we can't do is we can't issue a flight

[8:46] » we can't do is we can't issue a flight

[8:46] permit for the bylaw officer looking for

[8:49] plate models.

[8:51] >> Okay. So, as long as they've got all the

[8:52] » Okay. So, as long as they've got all the

[8:52] information staff's got that then

[8:56] >> Okay. Now, is that just in the

[8:57] » Okay. Now, is that just in the

[8:57] Wellington parking lot or is it all

[8:58] municipal parking?

[8:59] >> That is in the Wellington the overnight

[9:01] » That is in the Wellington the overnight

[9:01] parking is specifically dedicated to

[9:07] the street. There's no parking.

[9:11] >> Perfect. Okay.

[9:13] » Perfect. Okay.

[9:13] And and because we're leading into the

[9:15] holiday season, when when does town hall

[9:17] officially close?

[9:21] » Okay.

[9:22] >> So, if they're having family over

[9:32] » and and Denise just pointed out, which I

[9:34] I think would be August, but subject to

[9:37] availability. So if there are no spots

[9:39] left out, we can't very well

[9:42] appropriate.

[9:43] >> Don't forget council's uh granted me.

[9:47] » Don't forget council's uh granted me.

[9:47] >> Yeah. On street park

[9:49] » Yeah. On street park

[9:49] that would include this.

[9:51] >> Yeah.

[9:53] » Yeah.

[9:54] >> Good council.

[9:55] » Good council.

[9:56] >> Oh, I was just I was just going to piggy

[9:58] » Oh, I was just I was just going to piggy

[9:58] back on that. Just it is there any

[10:01] possibility someone like is like

[10:03] surprise you drank a little too much and

[10:05] now you have to stay. Um, is there any

[10:08] relief in that aspect where if they

[10:11] stayed in the Wellington lot like they

[10:12] wouldn't get ticketed if it, you know,

[10:14] kind of a oneoff thing?

[10:17] >> You can use that discretionary.

[10:21] » I was going to say they come in and

[10:22] speak to explain.

[10:26] >> Okay. And then go from there. Okay.

[10:28] » Okay. And then go from there. Okay.

[10:28] Wonderful. Just because again, we don't

[10:30] want anybody drinking and drinking,

[10:31] right? So, I'd rather be able to offer

[10:33] them something to stay

[10:36] I think that is part of the rale for the

[10:38] relief.

[10:38] >> Yeah% 100%. It's just sometimes that

[10:41] » Yeah% 100%. It's just sometimes that

[10:41] could happen maybe not during the

[10:42] relief, right? Like it's Yeah.

[10:45] >> Yeah. People aren't just going to be

[10:47] » Yeah. People aren't just going to be

[10:47] partying on two nights.

[10:48] >> Well, I mean that's

[10:51] » Well, I mean that's

[10:51] interesting. Yes. I guess

[10:55] the person has been drinking. How are

[10:56] they driving?

[10:59] >> Well, maybe they drove the car there.

[11:02] » Well, maybe they drove the car there.

[11:02] >> Yeah. or if they stay on the road even

[11:05] » Yeah. or if they stay on the road even

[11:05] where they were.

[11:07] >> I don't know. Just I just don't want to

[11:10] » I don't know. Just I just don't want to

[11:10] love to see

[11:15] that.

[11:16] >> This municipal parking lot.

[11:17] » This municipal parking lot.

[11:17] >> Is it going to be used as part of the

[11:19] » Is it going to be used as part of the

[11:20] parking be

[11:23] >> our municipal parking lot here? Is it

[11:25] » our municipal parking lot here? Is it

[11:25] going to be used as part of or just the

[11:28] street? So when is it

[11:37] right?

[11:39] >> Sorry to be a bylaw on duty that night

[11:42] » Sorry to be a bylaw on duty that night

[11:42] because there's no parking.

[11:45] Yeah,

[11:52] [snorts]

[11:53] >> we are allowing parking

[11:56] » we are allowing parking

[11:56] parking lots on Greenwood.

[12:02] I'm sure we're still allowing parking

[12:05] during the period on Greenwood

[12:09] Park.

[12:10] >> Yes.

[12:13] » Yes.

[12:13] Good. [snorts] So there's lots of places

[12:15] to park.

[12:16] >> Yeah. May have to walk a little bit.

[12:18] » Yeah. May have to walk a little bit.

[12:18] Yeah. But find a safe spot, park your

[12:20] car, don't drink and drive. Bottom line.

[12:24] >> Okay. Any other uh

[12:27] » Okay. Any other uh

[12:27] Okay. So the first report is a report um

[12:32] regarding the bylaw for the interm levy

[12:35] for 2026.

[12:37] Gary, do you want to at all?

[12:40] >> Just sorry.

[12:43] » Just sorry.

[12:43] It's just the regular bylaw that'll help

[12:46] us send their tax bills on January 2nd.

[12:50] >> Thanks.

[12:52] » Thanks.

[12:52] >> Happy New Year.

[12:57] » All right. Any questions on that one?

[12:59] No. Okay. Moved by Councelor Samples or

[13:02] seconder for that. Deputy Mayor Hall.

[13:06] All in favor?

[13:08] Carried.

[13:10] All right.

[13:13] Next is bylaw regarding some changes to

[13:16] our fees and charges. Um, did you want

[13:20] to highlight? So does Jennifer just the

[13:24] main changes are

[13:26] >> membership. This is our annual

[13:28] » membership. This is our annual

[13:28] year

[13:30] noted in the description

[13:32] checked

[13:35] that matches what the bank

[13:38] have by

[13:41] operation fees have

[13:45] facilities rental items have increased

[13:48] by

[13:50] minor use of baseball or wine notreased

[13:55] >> [clears throat]

[13:56] » [clears throat]

[13:56] >> gap between6

[14:06] adjusted

[14:08] cost.

[14:12] Those are the changes in the

[14:17] » questions on that. How did we arrive at

[14:22] >> cost of living? Just

[14:34] you want to make motion.

[14:38] » All right. Looks like moved by second by

[14:44] all in favor.

[14:48] All right. And report number three is

[14:52] the report I referenced earlier which

[14:54] was deferred from our November 24th

[14:56] meeting

[14:59] is report from our director of

[15:01] legislative services regarding some

[15:04] procedural bylaw update. Um nothing has

[15:07] changed. It's same report that was

[15:10] before us on uh on November 24th. But as

[15:13] I said earlier, we decided

[15:17] to defer [clears throat] it to tonight

[15:19] to give each of us a bit more time to go

[15:21] over it and consider the options that

[15:23] being presented.

[15:27] Council,

[15:30] >> I've been on council for a very long

[15:32] » I've been on council for a very long

[15:32] time and I've been to quite a few years

[15:34] question period.

[15:37] Honestly, the way question period is

[15:39] running right now, I don't like it. I'll

[15:42] be honest. It takes up a lot of

[15:44] council's time which doesn't allow us to

[15:47] get to the business we need to get to in

[15:50] a timely fashion

[15:52] but I'm not against that question period

[15:55] as long as it's run in a proper manner

[15:58] and I thought about it quite a bit

[16:00] during the week [clears throat] and I

[16:02] came up with the same idea as what am

[16:05] does down in the bare pit when

[16:07] counselors go up to ask questions at

[16:09] amach

[16:11] questioner

[16:12] is allowed a period of time to do a bit

[16:15] of a preamble to the question, but it

[16:18] must be a question specific to town

[16:21] business in the form of the agenda or

[16:25] property or some question about

[16:27] something that they had interaction with

[16:30] staff. It shouldn't be a question just

[16:33] whatever all over the place needs to be

[16:36] very specific. They should be allowed as

[16:39] they are down at a one question. one

[16:41] question only. Once you receive the

[16:43] answer, you must go to the back of the

[16:46] line and wait. There's a time period.

[16:49] It's like say 15 minutes for questions

[16:53] or whatever process. If we follow that

[16:57] format, a very strict format, then I

[17:00] think it's fair and right that our

[17:03] citizens have the right to ask

[17:04] questions. they should

[17:07] um because there's always, you know,

[17:11] questions regarding things on the

[17:12] agenda. There's questions regarding uh

[17:16] issues that they may have uh that were

[17:18] not resolved with staff. So,

[17:21] they have that right. They should have

[17:23] that right uh to come in front of

[17:25] council and present their case. It's no

[17:28] different than sometimes if they don't

[17:31] have that chance, they will do it to us

[17:33] out on the street, grocery store,

[17:35] wherever to ask the same thing. So, I

[17:37] think they have that right, but it needs

[17:40] to be controlled. It can't be just all

[17:44] over the place and all kinds of

[17:46] questions and discussions which should

[17:48] be either

[17:50] a delegation or something of a different

[17:54] nature. And that's my feelings on it. Um

[17:59] so I'm willing to

[18:01] um say continue with [clears throat] the

[18:04] question period

[18:06] as long as we follow some form of proper

[18:09] format.

[18:11] >> Yeah. And I'll I'll add I I don't

[18:13] » Yeah. And I'll I'll add I I don't

[18:13] disagree with you at all. Um and and

[18:15] actually I mean if you look at the

[18:17] current wording of our procedural bylaw

[18:19] and there are sort of prescriptive

[18:21] limits and time limits and everything

[18:23] else but they're all sort of subject to

[18:25] the chair's discretion. Um and the

[18:29] approach I tend to take I mean that

[18:31] there's a lot of factors involved. I

[18:32] mean is is the person first time they've

[18:35] been to council they not really familiar

[18:36] with the rules? Yeah obviously I'll give

[18:39] them [clears throat] some leeway. if we

[18:41] don't have a real long agenda. Am I

[18:43] willing to entertain a couple more

[18:44] questions than normal? Sure. Um but but

[18:47] I think your your point is well taken

[18:49] that you know this is designed as

[18:52] question period. It isn't designed as an

[18:54] open forum. It's not you know open mic

[18:56] at at you know shelter council where

[18:59] everybody can you know

[19:02] you know talk about whatever happens.

[19:05] There are opportunities to do that.

[19:07] There are deputations and presentations

[19:09] and if if if what you're looking for is

[19:12] an extended period of time to to make a

[19:14] pitch or make a presentation or have a

[19:16] dialogue with council that that's the

[19:18] that's the mechanism for that question

[19:21] period.

[19:22] You know at its core is designed to be a

[19:25] fairly quick um you know let let's move

[19:28] through you know what whatever questions

[19:30] you have. um you'll get an answer from

[19:33] council that that answer may in all

[19:35] honesty be we're going to have to look

[19:36] into it and get back to you. Um if if we

[19:39] don't, you know, have have the answer

[19:41] right at hand, but you will get an

[19:43] answer to the question. Uh but it it is

[19:46] not designed to be sort of open back and

[19:50] forth dialogue that lasts for several

[19:52] minutes. Um that said uh I I do agree

[19:56] that I I think it is an important

[19:58] mechanism uh to to leave available to

[20:02] our residents and our rate payers

[20:05] municipal level of government. I I think

[20:08] in in particular uh you know we are the

[20:10] level of government that's closest to

[20:12] the people and I think particularly in a

[20:14] smaller community like ours there is an

[20:17] expectation uh rightfully so uh that

[20:20] that elected officials remain accessible

[20:24] and and to your point councelor Vonado

[20:26] about grocery stores yeah I mean that

[20:28] that's part of the job to run and go in

[20:31] my household I run out to grab a bag of

[20:33] milk and I'm gone for an hour you know

[20:35] that It's the nature of beasts. You

[20:37] know, we we run into people people have

[20:39] issues they want to they want to

[20:40] discuss.

[20:41] >> Is that why my wife won't shop with me?

[20:45] » Is that why my wife won't shop with me?

[20:45] But but that that's you know that's one

[20:47] of the the nice things I think about

[20:50] this level of government as I said

[20:52] particularly in a small town that that

[20:54] we are accessible um but that

[20:56] accessibility can't be unlimited either

[20:59] right there there there has to be some

[21:00] give and take and and we have to work

[21:02] together as residents and as elected

[21:05] officials to make sure that that we do

[21:07] [clears throat]

[21:08] you know proper procedures and decorum

[21:09] so that the meetings can still run

[21:11] efficient. So, I guess my my message to

[21:14] to the public is, you know, from from my

[21:17] perspective at least, yeah, I'm I'm more

[21:19] than happy to to continue with question

[21:21] period going forward. Um, but if if what

[21:24] you're looking for is a a longer

[21:26] discussion with council um or or to make

[21:29] a pitch or a presentation, then then

[21:31] make use of those mechanisms uh in in

[21:35] the agenda for a presentation or a

[21:36] delegation. and let's leave question

[21:39] period for those quicker questions so

[21:41] that we can answer them and get moved on

[21:43] with the rest of rest of the agenda.

[21:47] When we know that it's a presentation,

[21:48] we set aside the proper time that's

[21:50] required for that in the agenda and it

[21:53] just allows everybody to plan. So, so I

[21:56] I'm okay leaving that in. Uh the rest of

[21:59] the amendments that that are presented

[22:01] here in this draft I'm good with. Let's

[22:04] give them a shot. Um, I guess the only

[22:06] other thing I would suggest is these

[22:09] will not become effective until

[22:14] » January,

[22:14] >> January. Um, but it's always up to

[22:18] » January. Um, but it's always up to

[22:18] council to make changes to this bylaw at

[22:21] any point in time. It's become a bit of

[22:22] a practice to do it kind of within the

[22:25] last year of each term. Uh but you know

[22:28] if if we get 6 months into some of these

[22:30] changes and find out something isn't

[22:32] working all that well we we can change

[22:35] course.

[22:39] » Any other thoughts?

[22:42] my thoughts I said seven. So I kind of

[22:46] still am at that point where I just that

[22:50] was my concern when I read over the

[22:52] procedural bylaw in the first place was

[22:55] >> um like there was just those things I

[22:58] » um like there was just those things I

[22:58] was conflicted with with regards to you

[23:00] know having a question asked pertaining

[23:02] to the agenda or whatnot and that's

[23:04] impossible to schedule that time two

[23:07] weeks ahead of time because the agenda

[23:08] doesn't come out until the Thursday

[23:09] before the meeting. So, you know, then

[23:13] you're asking a question now that's two

[23:14] weeks old and if the meeting's full, you

[23:18] can't even get in that meeting. So, I

[23:19] just that was my concern and and you

[23:22] know, as I stated at the last meeting as

[23:24] well, like you know, as you guys also

[23:26] stated, this is part of our job and we

[23:28] should be available and it's probably

[23:31] the only time that somebody can reach

[23:33] all of us in the same place, right, at

[23:35] the same time. So,

[23:37] >> yeah, we we don't all shop together.

[23:38] » yeah, we we don't all shop together.

[23:38] >> No, exactly. And I don't think my

[23:40] » No, exactly. And I don't think my

[23:40] husband shops with me. So, um, yeah. So,

[23:44] that was, you know, out of all the other

[23:46] changes, I they're pretty uh acceptable

[23:49] with no I mean, really, it's just for

[23:50] electronic purposes and things like

[23:52] that. Like, there's not a whole lot in

[23:54] there that makes any real difference

[23:56] except this one. And that's why I was

[23:58] like, I cannot vote on this um because I

[24:01] don't think it should be removed. So, um

[24:03] yeah. So, I mean, I feel like if we're

[24:04] going to move forward with it, we just

[24:07] need to tighten up the bootstraps a

[24:09] little and then it still allows people

[24:12] to come and voice uh any concerns or

[24:15] questions that day. So, that was just my

[24:19] >> and I just wanted to say at the end of

[24:21] » and I just wanted to say at the end of

[24:21] the day, one of three things are going

[24:24] to happen. and you publish a question

[24:27] which is going to be very succinct and

[24:30] you're either going to give an answer

[24:32] that evening or we're going to have to

[24:35] have to do some research

[24:38] uh and present it or you know if you've

[24:41] asked us something like where Jimmy

[24:42] Hoffet is buried we're not going to be

[24:45] able to that type question. So I I think

[24:49] tightening up procedurally is probably

[24:53] our best bet and keeping the 10 minutes

[24:57] uh as part of question three. I'm okay

[25:00] with that. I mean in in reality I I can

[25:04] only think of one instance maybe two in

[25:07] in the last seven years where we've

[25:09] actually sort of you know had a lineup

[25:12] of people um and it's normally around

[25:15] you know a particular hot issue

[25:18] >> but but generally just you know one or

[25:21] » but but generally just you know one or

[25:21] two questions if any

[25:24] >> but once

[25:27] » but once

[25:27] if you remember the police issue

[25:29] somebody Well, that's those were

[25:31] >> those were separate. But when we ran

[25:35] » those were separate. But when we ran

[25:35] those meetings, we did run them with a

[25:37] certain procedure where people were

[25:39] allowed to ask a question, but there was

[25:42] time limits on everything and the

[25:44] questions were answered. And that's what

[25:46] I mean by question where we run things

[25:48] very tightly and not allow it to get out

[25:51] of hand the similar as we did with those

[25:54] particular situations.

[25:56] So, I'm sorry to interrupt deputy mayor,

[25:59] but what I was trying to get at what I

[26:01] stated it earlier and it allows us to

[26:03] get back to our business of the agenda

[26:06] that we need to get to during the night

[26:08] rather than you know end up having to go

[26:11] over a meeting that night time.

[26:15] So just a few points. I'm strongly for

[26:18] keeping question. Um but I I think that

[26:24] you know there has to be some leeway for

[26:26] the chair to determine what that is. I I

[26:30] completely understand and respect that

[26:33] position.

[26:34] The other side is you know I struggle

[26:36] when question period is taken up by the

[26:39] non-residents

[26:41] >> right? [clears throat] So understanding

[26:43] » right? [clears throat] So understanding

[26:43] that really the question period is there

[26:44] for our residents not for those you know

[26:47] when you're talking about a handful of

[26:49] times um there's been a lot of time that

[26:52] was taken up by non-residents coming

[26:54] forward with questions when we weren't

[26:56] able to necessarily always get to a

[26:58] resening

[27:02] up that is one of the key items making

[27:04] certain the residents have

[27:08] to [snorts] prioritize them but I

[27:11] Well, we should

[27:16] they can use the presentations

[27:20] accept those opportunities for those

[27:22] types of things.

[27:26] or see I want to add a thought

[27:27] >> just just to confirm that it's the

[27:29] » just just to confirm that it's the

[27:29] intent with council jur otherwise that

[27:32] we would be supplementing with the

[27:35] introduction

[27:39] session we need to review how we would

[27:42] use that there's a different models in

[27:44] other communities where we just counel

[27:47] independently so if the regular wanted

[27:50] to have one partnership get back

[27:53] coordinate these are always available to

[27:56] as members of council. There are some

[27:58] communities that function a basic. So

[28:01] for example, mayor post has had a

[28:03] session on youth engagement and in those

[28:06] it determine whether or not there's

[28:08] member staff in them. What's critical

[28:10] though is that these are not called by

[28:12] council meetings. um they're not

[28:15] minuteed, they're not reported, there's

[28:16] no direction, but they do provide a

[28:18] platform to talk about what question

[28:21] period has evolved to some consensus

[28:23] where it's a general topic and a

[28:25] discussion about um an issue of concern

[28:28] or an issue of enthusiasm and it just

[28:31] provides a different platform for you to

[28:33] have that. So we'll we'll be developing

[28:35] that. We know a lot of municipalities

[28:37] gone forward spiritual festival. We're

[28:39] just not and right now it's based on

[28:41] twice a year but we're just not ready

[28:43] yet to tell you how it's going to be in

[28:44] the district but that is the plan to

[28:46] introduce that

[28:48] >> and that that isn't something that needs

[28:49] » and that that isn't something that needs

[28:49] to be incorporated.

[28:50] >> No, but it's just it was in Jennifer's

[28:52] » No, but it's just it was in Jennifer's

[28:52] report. I just wanted to make sure that

[28:53] it was the intent was that this

[28:56] potentially was a way to replace and

[28:59] replicate and enhance. Um but we also

[29:02] understand that you know there's a tool

[29:04] that could also be used as well as the

[29:06] retention of this.

[29:10] in addition to two instead of other

[29:17] [clears throat]

[29:19] clarify

[29:22] time what we don't want

[29:26] potential

[29:29] politician

[29:32] so maybe what we'll do then is look at7

[29:34] introduc

[29:45] insert a definition that question right

[29:48] there.

[29:52] So is that kind of what the resolution

[29:54] would be moving forward then for you to

[29:55] guide for staff to come back to us with

[29:58] that amendment within the folk.

[30:04] » Okay.

[30:07] >> Okay.

[30:09] » Okay.

[30:09] >> Right. [laughter]

[30:10] » Right. [laughter]

[30:10] So so we we can just receive the report

[30:12] and direct staff to amend the draft

[30:14] bylaw as discussed. Okay.

[30:19] Second of that counced

[30:21] by councelor Gardi

[30:24] favor.

[30:28] » Thank you.

[30:32] » If not questions car

[30:36] uh councelor motions are there any

[30:38] notices of motion?

[30:40] >> I did have one which I would refer to

[30:42] » I did have one which I would refer to

[30:42] correspondence.

[30:43] >> Okay. Any other notices?

[30:47] » Okay. Any other notices?

[30:47] Okay. Communications.

[30:50] Councelor Whitner.

[30:51] >> I just want to pull uh number 10 for um

[30:56] » I just want to pull uh number 10 for um

[30:56] just a sort of support I guess and

[30:59] Senate support from town children. So,

[31:02] it's it's just basically I mean we've

[31:05] seen in the news recently with uh some

[31:08] of the for lack of better term slack in

[31:14] you know um putting people in jail and

[31:17] leaving them in jail when they should be

[31:18] in jail. So, I just I think this is a a

[31:22] good call to to the government to

[31:24] strengthen some of those um those rules

[31:27] or laws or whatnot and keep people in

[31:29] that should be in.

[31:31] >> Okay. So, you want to make a motion of

[31:33] » Okay. So, you want to make a motion of

[31:33] support?

[31:33] >> Yes, please.

[31:34] » Yes, please.

[31:34] >> Okay. Second for that.

[31:40] Any discussion on that one? Favor.

[31:44] Okay.

[31:46] And then I guess just quickly number

[31:48] six, um just to mention to the community

[31:50] that's watching, um that their voices

[31:53] were heard and I'm thankful that they uh

[31:57] said what they, you know, were feeling

[31:59] and their concerns because um circular

[32:01] materials is uh is that what it's

[32:03] called? Circular materials um is looking

[32:06] into I don't think it's a definite

[32:08] answer yet, but at least they are

[32:10] definitely considering different sizes

[32:12] for uh the county of defense. So, um,

[32:15] that's great.

[32:16] >> Yeah, they they delayed delayed the roll

[32:18] » Yeah, they they delayed delayed the roll

[32:18] out, uh, of the large new recycling bins

[32:21] to give them some more time to kind of

[32:23] coordinate

[32:25] a way that they can present people with

[32:27] options so that not everybody has to

[32:29] receive the the new bin. Some people

[32:32] love them, other people are concerned

[32:34] about, you know, accessibility, how

[32:36] they're going to move them, where

[32:36] they're going to store them.

[32:38] >> So, deal.

[32:39] » So, deal.

[32:39] >> Yeah. So, so they're just working on a

[32:41] » Yeah. So, so they're just working on a

[32:41] solution so that they can offer some

[32:43] voice.

[32:44] >> Yeah.

[32:44] » Yeah.

[32:44] >> Council Bernado

[32:47] » Council Bernado

[32:47] >> 12 correspondents from regarding the

[32:50] » 12 correspondents from regarding the

[32:50] advocacy of bill 60 and I think that's

[32:53] where councelor was looking for as well

[32:56] in regards to his motion.

[32:59] Um the consolation of the conservation

[33:02] authorities the way they're going about

[33:03] it right now bring them all together is

[33:06] not a good option. Not all conservation

[33:09] authorities fit together for one thing.

[33:12] Um I believe the saga for example the

[33:16] fact that Grant nor Simco they are

[33:21] wersheds are very different and the way

[33:24] that they're putting it together um I'm

[33:27] afraid one uh we're losing the way our

[33:31] wershed works with the bigger uh

[33:34] conservation authorities. Secondly, um

[33:38] it irritates me. The province pits no

[33:42] money at all basically into the

[33:45] conservation authorities. Yet they're

[33:47] sitting there telling us um basically

[33:50] how they're going to run the

[33:52] conservation authorities when it's us

[33:54] municipalities that are paying for it.

[33:57] So that irritates me to know it when

[34:00] it's the local people that are paying

[34:02] for it and it's affecting the local

[34:05] people. I think that Queens Park should

[34:08] take care of provincial matters and we

[34:11] conservation authorities managed by the

[34:13] local uh conservations which are looking

[34:18] after the local people being paid for by

[34:20] the local people. That's just my

[34:21] feelings. So I know that Cardi has a

[34:25] motion of support

[34:28] or

[34:31] motion. So I'll let him read it. But I'm

[34:34] quite willing to second.

[34:36] >> Did you want it under that one?

[34:39] » Did you want it under that one?

[34:39] >> Number under a couple.

[34:40] » Number under a couple.

[34:40] >> It fits under so many. I mean it's it's

[34:43] » It fits under so many. I mean it's it's

[34:43] kind of scary between number seven and

[34:45] number eight. Bill five and bill 68. Um,

[34:50] I mean the amount of provincial

[34:52] overreach that we

[34:55] have experienced over the past year,

[34:57] this was buried in the middle of Bill

[34:59] 68. It's part of the province's mega

[35:02] bill. Um, and uh, I do have a press

[35:07] release from NAC about their concerns

[35:12] about amalgamating

[35:14] uh, 36

[35:16] conservation authorities down to seven.

[35:18] and the mismatch in

[35:22] the uh ecosystems and water systems that

[35:26] you like

[35:28] >> it's different

[35:31] » it's different

[35:31] and I'll jump I'll jump onto that being

[35:32] member of the board of the NBC I tell

[35:35] you it was a very very long meeting one

[35:37] of the biggest

[35:39] >> fears that we all have as municipalities

[35:41] » fears that we all have as municipalities

[35:41] is number one we're a tiny voice as it

[35:44] is if we amalgamate into a much larger

[35:48] CA we're never hurt and the worst part

[35:51] is is we are the closest to the e

[35:53] theological system where we're at we

[35:55] know what need we are the best advocates

[35:59] for them going to a much larger CA

[36:02] there's no possibility that they have

[36:05] any ability to control

[36:09] » I mean if you look at the conservation

[36:11] authority the nawasaga river

[36:15] runs uh north and influences one of the

[36:20] greatest uh resorts uh that we have in

[36:24] the way of a beach. But it also crosses

[36:28] through uh some of the beautifulst land

[36:33] parks and whatnot that we have in

[36:36] Ontario.

[36:38] were quite different from a Grand River

[36:41] which goes from Dundock down to Lake

[36:46] Erie and totally different from Lake

[36:49] Senko which has a lake and has no uh

[36:55] true river system running into it other

[36:57] than Holland and whatnot

[36:59] >> and [clears throat]

[37:01] » and [clears throat]

[37:01] different and then the other part of it

[37:03] is size of the municipalities which are

[37:06] within each of these wersheds. When you

[37:09] look at uh the Grand for example, you've

[37:12] got Kitchener, you've got Cambridge,

[37:14] you've got totally different size

[37:17] municipalities compared and and Lake

[37:20] Simco has Bradford uh New Market and all

[37:25] of York region and they also have

[37:28] different different monetary ways which

[37:31] they're paid like central York region

[37:33] supports it a huge amount. Uh the grant

[37:37] is supported by a large number of huge

[37:40] municipalities as well as uh regions and

[37:45] we're as uh mentioned by council we're a

[37:50] bunch of small municipalities sitting

[37:53] within the largest one we have is beach

[37:57] basically itself other than that we're a

[37:59] bunch of small municipalities which are

[38:01] supporting our own ecosystem so we're

[38:04] quite different and to be amalgamated

[38:07] with these large municipalities

[38:10] and larger uh conservation authorities

[38:13] just destroy us completely.

[38:16] >> Okay.

[38:17] » Okay.

[38:17] So just to just [clears throat] to

[38:19] comment I I do want to I do want to note

[38:23] in past the provinces

[38:26] experiments and amalgamation going back

[38:28] as far as two 2000 uh with education

[38:33] we [snorts] ran into similar issues in

[38:35] terms of uh ability to

[38:39] uh

[38:41] be local. Um, so, uh, the record on

[38:46] imagination

[38:48] to record to begin with. Um, anyway,

[38:51] bill 68. Uh, so I'm just going to read

[38:53] this in the record. Uh, whereas Ontario

[38:57] conservation authorities are essential

[38:59] to watershed management, environmental

[39:01] protection, flood mitigation, and public

[39:03] safety. And whereas bill 68 proposes

[39:07] significant amendments to the

[39:08] conservation authorities act that would

[39:11] change governance structures,

[39:13] decision-making authority and municipal

[39:15] participation. And whereas these changes

[39:18] were introduced within an omnibus bill

[39:20] without a dedicated legislative process

[39:23] that would allow for full public input,

[39:26] stakeholder consultation, or sufficient

[39:29] review of long-term environmental,

[39:31] financial, and public safety impacts.

[39:33] And whereas municipalities are critical

[39:36] partners in watershed management and

[39:39] must retain meaningful representation to

[39:42] ensure local knowledge priority uh

[39:45] priorities and risks are considered. And

[39:48] whereas the proposed amendments may

[39:50] increase risks related to flooding,

[39:52] erosion, natural heritage loss and

[39:55] environmental degradation if not fully

[39:58] evaluated. Therefore, be it resolved

[40:00] with council town of Shelurn urges the

[40:02] province

[40:04] uh provincial government of Ontario to

[40:06] withdraw sections of bill 68 related to

[40:09] the conservation authorities act and be

[40:11] it further resolved that any proposed

[40:14] changes be reintroduced as a standalone

[40:17] bill and proceed through the full

[40:20] legislative process including committee

[40:22] review, public consultation, stakeholder

[40:25] submissions to ensure transparent

[40:27] assessment of impacts on wershed

[40:29] management, environmental protection and

[40:32] public safety. And be further resolved

[40:35] that any future governance framework for

[40:37] conservation authorities include strong,

[40:39] clearly defined municipal representation

[40:42] recognizing municipalities as essential

[40:45] partners in watershed protection. And be

[40:48] it finally resolved that this motion be

[40:49] forwarded to the premier of Ontario,

[40:52] Minister of Environment, uh,

[40:54] Conservation of Parks, local MPPPs, the

[40:56] Association of Municipalities of

[40:58] Ontario, the Essex Region Conservation

[41:00] Authority Authority, and all Ontario

[41:03] municipalities and conservation

[41:04] authorities. And again, as a letter of

[41:08] motion, as also as a letter of support

[41:10] for because this this all went down on

[41:13] the 27th of November. Uh so in between

[41:17] our meetings so this has been the first

[41:19] opportunity we've had to uh

[41:23] address this.

[41:24] >> Yeah.

[41:25] » Yeah.

[41:25] >> Okay. So we have a motion on the floor.

[41:28] » Okay. So we have a motion on the floor.

[41:28] Is there a second for that?

[41:32] >> Second.

[41:34] » Second.

[41:34] Oh, did you already

[41:41] [laughter]

[41:43] >> move by cashi seconded by?

[41:46] » move by cashi seconded by?

[41:46] Okay. Any uh further discussion? Did you

[41:49] want to add any more thoughts?

[41:52] >> Um

[41:55] » Um

[41:55] I think I've said enough. I think

[41:56] everybody knows where I mean there are a

[41:59] number of municipalities that have just

[42:01] started this process of opposition to uh

[42:05] to this bill and I pretty sure that

[42:07] there will be many more of these over

[42:09] the next few months.

[42:16] If I could add starting with

[42:19] municipalities

[42:21] York and now you see that the problem

[42:26] just turned around and is trying to

[42:29] put things the opposite way.

[42:31] >> So they have a long habit of trying to

[42:35] » So they have a long habit of trying to

[42:35] do amalgamation before and now they're

[42:37] trying it with school boards and

[42:39] trustees as well. So it they have this

[42:43] long history of they're trying to do

[42:44] this and to do the same thing

[42:46] conservation authorities realize that

[42:49] they've done a wrong track and then to

[42:51] turn around down the road it try to take

[42:53] it back the way it was is going to make

[42:57] a mess of everything. So that's why I'm

[43:00] supporting this

[43:01] >> and I'm not against efficiencies. I'm

[43:04] » and I'm not against efficiencies. I'm

[43:04] just I just think they're

[43:08] >> they're not Yeah. this won't be.

[43:17] [laughter]

[43:18] >> All right. Any other thoughts on that?

[43:21] » All right. Any other thoughts on that?

[43:21] All the questions.

[43:24] All in favor?

[43:27] Okay.

[43:28] All right. Any other items for

[43:30] communication?

[43:34] Okay. Can I get a motion then to receive

[43:36] the remaining items for information?

[43:41] Second byner.

[43:43] All in favor? It's carried. All right.

[43:48] Next item is uh close session and

[43:53] um because the only items after close

[43:56] session is the confirming bylaw and

[43:57] adjournment. Uh we had a brief chat

[44:00] beforehand, we're going to let our

[44:01] deputy clerk um leave because she does

[44:05] have quite a drive ahead of her anyway.

[44:06] So, I don't want to make her stick

[44:08] around just to adjourn the meeting. Um,

[44:12] but what that does mean is that the the

[44:14] actual live stream um will not come on

[44:17] for the adjourn. Uh, any reporting out

[44:19] from close action will still be properly

[44:21] captured in the minutes um and and will

[44:24] be in the minutes that are available at

[44:25] the at the next agenda.

[44:28] So with that, can I have a motion to

[44:31] according to section 239 sub 2 subb of

[44:34] the municipal act move into close

[44:36] session for the purpose of discussing

[44:38] personal matters about an identifiable

[44:41] individual including municipal or local

[44:43] board employees? Council sample seconded

[44:46] by councelor vegan. All in favor? That's

[44:50] car.

[44:54] Give a chance to uh shut down.

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