Name: County Council
Duration: 29 min 26 s
Description: Kind of finding staff finds no evidence that approving this application with the recommended conditions will materially and permanently injure other property or uses in the same district.

[0:01] All right, then I'd entertain a motion to approve the minutes as written. So moved. I'll second. All right. Roll call vote when you're ready, Danielle, on approving the minutes from last month's meeting. All right, Charlotte Brown. Yes. Randy Jones. Yes.

[0:18] Yes.

[0:18] Jane Gore.

[0:19] Yes.

[0:20] John Delbert here.

[0:21] Yes.

[0:21] Michael Harrison.

[0:22] Yes.

[0:23] Right.

[0:24] Minutes are approved.

[0:26] We have one item of old business, which was docked number 26 to SC-C-09.

[0:31] The petitioners requested that we table this till our September meeting.

[0:36] I don't have a problem with that.

[0:39] Sell it.

[0:41] I'll say it.

[0:42] I'll go.

[0:43] Like you can say.

[0:44] No.

[0:45] Okay.

[0:45] second. All right. Okay. Daniel, a vote on the tabling,

[0:51] dark in number 26, dash SE, dash 0, not until the September 23rd meeting.

[0:55] Please. Okay. Brandy Jones. Yes. Jane Gore. Yes.

[0:59] John Delverter. Yes. Michael Harrison. Yes.

[1:02] Charles Brown. Yes. Okay. We have one item a new business tonight.

[1:08] And that's dark in number 26, dash SE, dash 10. This is a request for a special

[1:12] access for a tour, Kayla, whenever you're ready, you can give us your staff report.

[1:37] It

[2:06] seems to be slowly loading a satellite image, doesn't it?

[2:13] And I'm trying to close that so we can try to load the other.

[2:16] Sure, but not live.

[2:18] You want me to call Houston to tell me I have a problem?

[2:22] I've got the number.

[2:28] Okay.

[3:05] Maybe I could start reading. Is it going to be on your side?

[3:10] We may have to change the display to Daniel's computer.

[3:51] Technology is fine.

[3:54] Oh yeah.

[4:07] All right, now we're ready.

[4:09] Okay.

[4:10] Stafford, please.

[4:11] All right.

[4:11] for North third for log cabin bureau LLC the caboose since enrolled to

[4:18] her son. Docket number 26-SE-10. Hearing date, I used 26, 2026.

[4:26] Petitioner and property owner James North third for log cabin bureau LLC.

[4:32] Request to the special exception for a two-guess tourist home with a maximum

[4:35] occupancy of 4 guests. Ordnance provisions from county area board of

[4:41] Zoning Appeals, Resolution 2022-01,

[4:45] Tourist Home Special Exception Guidelines and Conditions,

[4:48] and Chapter 1, Section 2, and Chapter 3,

[4:51] Sections 1 and 4 in the Brown County Zoning Ordnance.

[4:56] Location, 6158, Stinson Road, Morgan Town,

[4:59] and Jackson Township.

[5:01] The property is on the west side of the road

[5:03] and is approximately a quarter of a mile

[5:05] north of the intersection of Dunway Road and Stinson Road.

[5:10] Zoning in currently abuse, the property is owned secondary residential, R2, and is currently

[5:16] vacant.

[5:18] General findings, one, the property consists of five acres and is currently vacant.

[5:25] Two, the petitioner is proposing a two-guest room to rest home with a maximum occupancy of four

[5:29] guests. Three, the home is a small cabin attached to a caboose with the additional living space

[5:35] to total approximately 509 square feet of floor area the home includes two

[5:41] bedrooms the full bathroom a kitchen and a living lounge for the home will

[5:47] contain approximately 300 square feet of guest space which exceeds the 50

[5:51] square feet per guest space requirement for four guests. Five the home and

[5:56] the septic system are located outside the boundaries of the average 100 year

[6:00] flood as indicated on the flood insurance rate map 6 although there is significant area

[6:06] for parking in the driveway the petitioner agrees to dedicate three spaces this needs

[6:11] the minimum parking area requirement and

[6:18] the emails read from South Central Indiana

[6:20] RNC confirms that electrical service can be provided to the property 8 a private well is

[6:27] planned to provide water service to the property if the water is provided by a private well

[6:31] but instead of public water, the water must be tested by a certified laboratory and satisfactory documentation

[6:38] must be provided to the Planning Department every six months.

[6:43] Nine, the Indian Department of Health supplied the letter dated July 20th, 2026,

[6:48] that approves the design of the new septic system with multiple conditions listed.

[6:53] The Brown County Health Department issue permit number 26-34989 to allow insulation of a two-bedroom septic system.

[7:02] To end the petitioner wishes to serve as the local manager for the tour zone.

[7:08] 11, a driveway inspection was completed and passed by Glenn R. L. Moore of the Jackson Township Fire Department.

[7:14] With the recommendation of an addition of a reflective 911 sign, the letter is dated July 10th, 2026.

[7:23] Well, according to the statement requests, the property boundaries will be marked with painted metal fence posts at each corner and at the entrance and the post will be spaced no more than 100 feet apart.

[7:35] 13 notice will be posted both inside the home and at the entrance of the driveway that the discharge of firearms is prohibited.

[7:44] 14, there are no residences within 250 feet of the proposed tourism and notarisms located within 1,320 feet of the proposed tourism.

[7:55] Recommendation of the Board approves the petitioner's request, it should be based on the following conditions.

[8:00] One, all tourist home conditions and guidelines will be met.

[8:04] Two, the number of guests will be limited to four.

[8:06] three, the well water will be tested once every six months by the certified

[8:10] laboratory and the satisfactory results will be provided to the planning

[8:14] department. Four, the state and local health department requirements must be

[8:19] met before renting. Five, a local manager will be used. Six, the addition of a 9-1-1

[8:26] reflective adjunct sign recommended by the Jackson County Fire Department will

[8:30] be met. Seven, the property boundaries will be must be clearly marked.

[8:35] 8 and notice we'll be posted that the discharge of fire arches is prohibited.

[8:41] I need the fact the Board may grant special exception for a use in a district.

[8:45] If after hearing under section 7.2 it finds that 1 section 3.1 of the Brown County zoning ordinance

[8:53] authorizes a special exception for this use in the designated district.

[8:57] I need special exceptions for tourist homes or a lot of unproperate zones.

[9:01] Secondary residential R2.

[9:03] Pardon me, Kayla. If you'd like to just read the findings, I think that would be fine with us on the board.

[9:08] Okay. Each finding like letter A through or just go to the recommendation.

[9:13] Just go to the recommendations will be fine. We were provided with this, you know, in advance of the meeting. So we've had a chance to do it.

[9:23] Kind of finding staff finds no evidence that approving this application with the recommended conditions will materially and permanently injure other property or uses in the same district.

[9:34] and vicinity. There's no evidence that the impact of this tourist home on

[9:38] neighboring property will be substantially different than the impact of

[9:41] tourist homes previously approved. Staff recommendation, if approved with the

[9:46] conditions listed the petition appears to meet or exceed conditions a

[9:49] through age of the tourist home guidelines 202-01, therefore staff recommends a

[9:56] approval of the petition.

[10:00] I'm going to have the board have any questions for

[10:02] Caleb about her report.

[10:08] Are you the petitioner? I am, yeah. Great. Is there anything

[10:10] I think you want to add to Kayla's report

[10:12] or share with us on the board.

[10:14] Yeah, so thank you, Kayla, first of all.

[10:18] So, I'm James Northard, I'm a Brown County resident,

[10:22] my wife and son with me in Brown County.

[10:26] I want her to note that we live about 10 minutes away

[10:29] from the proposed rental, I personally plan on managing it,

[10:37] but we will have a professional company

[10:38] just in time professional cleaning be the cleaner of the property there friends

[10:44] of ours and adjusting to help the out as I ever need something from my management

[10:49] side as well. We our home is near brown county rentals that have been prepared

[10:55] before so we know what it takes to be a good neighbor and we intend to be so to any

[11:01] neighbors that are nearest. We have put a deposit down for triad to do our 9-11 sign so

[11:11] we're coming in compliance with that and that's all I had really. I'd love to have you

[11:19] work your approval on this special exception. Okay, thank you for that. Anyone in the board have any

[11:27] Any questions from Mr. Norfolk?

[11:29] I do. Do you have any experience in managing rental properties?

[11:33] No, but I am a...

[11:36] I'm an MBA and I have...

[11:38] I've managed people a lot

[11:39] when

[11:43] I wanted to come in from,

[11:44] and we have 16 employees.

[11:47] So if that doesn't prove some management skills,

[11:50] I think, hopefully,

[11:54] by my actions in running this rental pool.

[12:00] I have a question for you.

[12:03] understand that you had to make application to the State Board of Health or the

[12:07] onsite residential system or separate system. I'm just interested in curious

[12:11] actually is so how much of a time period was there from the time that you made

[12:16] the application that you actually heard something from the State?

[12:20] Yes so it took an entire year and then tried to do a year yeah it's a one

[12:25] entire year from the initial application to the approval and I was actually

[12:30] pushing them and did not allow them to extend it so that I could get on this agenda.

[12:36] They tried to extend it even further than one year and so okay all right well this is

[12:42] a fairly new reduces and so I'm sure the rest board is probably interested in how that

[12:50] process is working out.

[13:04] I'm not sure how many people have an appetite to do that in Brown County but it is an expensive

[13:15] I don't think we're negative this year, not what it's just for business only, it's not for individuals, private individuals, so.

[13:21] Exactly.

[13:22] All right.

[13:25] There's quite a few stipulations in that.

[13:28] You can be able to follow those, or, I mean, with fairly ease.

[13:35] Um, yeah, I mean, I could back it together that came up presented and intended to follow all of them.

[13:43] Or a follower.

[13:44] I congratulate

[13:50] you on one of the most complete request statements we've ever gotten.

[13:53] I really did a nice job on that and I appreciate it.

[13:57] Any question about you as the manager?

[14:00] Do you foresee any times that you might not be able to be at home when the property is in use as a rental?

[14:08] Or is that your intent to always be available?

[14:11] Our intention is to always be available and we're not that we'll have trust in England.

[14:15] He is basically a name of two of us, so he will let him out two minutes or so.

[14:21] Oh, okay.

[14:22] All right.

[14:23] Thanks.

[14:24] Any other questions?

[14:27] Oh, questions for Kaywell.

[14:29] How many cards?

[14:32] They sent out 12, 11 were returned.

[14:39] Thank you, Mr. North, if there are any questions from us.

[14:44] I do not see anybody else here who wants to speak forward against this petition unless

[14:47] You wish to speak forward against the petition?

[14:51] I mean, all I would add is that.

[14:54] Well, if you do, would you come up the microphone please?

[14:56] We identify yourself, we record these minutes.

[15:00] My name's Amy Northart and his wife. The only thing I would add is just that we started coming here a long time ago as visitors. And so we feel like the uniqueness of this would be fun for families from Indie to come and they get to enjoy Brown County with their young children and hopefully move here like we did with our sons. Okay. Thanks for that.

[15:29] All right. Then I'm going to bring this matter back to us on the board.

[15:32] the board to discuss and decide on.

[15:37] Jane,

[15:40] may I speak to him?

[15:42] Yes, Mike.

[15:42] Go ahead.

[15:43] I'm going to vote in favor of this,

[15:46] but I have a comment just in general

[15:49] about the water well situation.

[15:53] We require notification of positive results,

[15:57] but getting some indication of a problem,

[16:01] I think, is even more important.

[16:02] So, I'm going to propose some language that we get to discuss.

[16:09] The water well will be tested once every six months by a certified laboratory and all

[16:14] communications regarding the well, written or verbal, including but not limited to all

[16:20] test reports, regardless of status, shall be provided and right into the planning department.

[16:26] Such written notices shall be provided within not more than seven calendar days of receipt

[16:30] of the communications. I'm thinking that to say, for example, I'm not speaking to

[16:37] you properly, this is a hypothetical case, that the testing in the

[16:41] laboratory maybe can't get access to the well for some reason, or there are some

[16:45] indication of a problem. I think it's beneficial that I have that information

[16:49] in advance of the six months, and that's the reason. I've got this written if

[16:55] anybody wants to read it, it's rather long, and maybe you don't need all these

[17:01] I don't know, it sounded okay to me, I know what you're getting at.

[17:06] I think that my sense, because we're actually, what we're talking about,

[17:10] is the satisfactory results.

[17:13] You assume that all results would come back, but I think what you're,

[17:20] what you put together there makes it much clearer about the expectations,

[17:23] I don't

[17:26] have no problem with the education.

[17:28] No, I didn't have no problem with the education.

[17:29] All

[17:33] right. Jane? You got some of this? Well, I mean, it seems to fit. You know, I feel like about hers for almost, but don't see anything wearing it.

[17:51] All right.

[17:56] I see nothing here that gives me any kind of concern.

[17:59] I do want to echo Jones coming in about the completeness on your application here.

[18:07] Thank you.

[18:07] We don't always see that type of an error in some time, so that's good to see.

[18:11] And I don't have any problems with this.

[18:14] Okay.

[18:16] Do I have any problems with it?

[18:19] Okay.

[18:19] all right well I don't have any problems with it either so I entertain a motion to

[18:24] approve it with some conditions that Kayla suggested and maybe replacing her

[18:33] suggested language about the will like suggested language about the will for

[18:39] which whoever makes the motion will need his card unless he makes the motion and

[18:46] Danielle has a copy of the card too oh good somebody

[18:54] else too and I don't

[18:55] We never did the work.

[18:56] I will like why you passed me your card.

[18:58] I'll make the motion.

[19:00] Thanks.

[19:01] I wish I had my glasses.

[19:06] Thank you.

[19:07] Thank you.

[19:08] It's a big advantage.

[19:11] I think he's similar to me.

[19:14] He's similar to me.

[19:14] No, I'm not being visual-occurian.

[19:17] I would never experience it.

[19:22] I'm going to recommend that we approve

[19:24] Doctor Number 26-SE-10 with the following conditions.

[19:29] One, that all the tourist conditions and guidelines are met,

[19:33] that the number of guests is going to be limited to four.

[19:36] That the water will be tested once every six months by a certified laboratory,

[19:42] and all communications regarding the well-written or verbal,

[19:45] including but not limited to all test reports

[19:48] regardless of their status, should be provided in writing to the planning department.

[19:53] These written notices should be provided within no more than seven calendar days of receipt.

[20:00] Receive of the communication.

[20:02] Receive of the communication.

[20:04] Thank you, yes.

[20:07] For that the state and local health department requirements must be met before properties used as a rental.

[20:14] The local manager will be used for it.

[20:17] that the addition of the 9-11 reflect gives sign recommended by the Jackson Township Fire Department will be met.

[20:24] That the property boundaries will be clearly marked and then a notice will be posted that the discharge of firearms is prohibited.

[20:34] I'll second the motion.

[20:35] Okay.

[20:36] All right.

[20:37] We have a motion to approve this docket number that's been seconded in a roll call vote when you're ready, Daniel.

[20:44] Thank you.

[20:45] Jane Borden?

[20:46] Yes.

[20:47] John Delbert here?

[20:48] Yes, Michael Harrison. Yes, Darla Brown. Yes, Randy Jones. Yes. Okay. Your request has been approved. Thank you.

[20:57] Good luck.

[21:13] No, I've just been asking anybody if they had any items to announce or discuss. You do.

[21:18] There we go.

[21:23] I'm just going to call.

[21:25] telephone call. Yes. Can you make one? Is that going to bring you this mic?

[21:30] Okay, so we can hear the questions.

[21:36] I just got a telephone call. I thought he said

[21:41] Officer Jacob Allen, CVP number 7-825,

[21:54] and it's about, it was something about

[21:57] order protection in drugs and sent to me they had my address somehow I have no idea what this

[22:06] is about and what do I do. Do you have a letter with you? No all I have is this from a phone.

[22:15] It was a phone call. Oh, it was a phone call. And it was Nashville Police with the Sheriff's Department.

[22:29] I don't know that name.

[22:30] To me, I would ignore it.

[22:34] I don't think that is a legitimate call.

[22:37] He doesn't smell that way to me,

[22:39] but I let you call.

[22:42] That's my advice.

[22:45] Whatever they did, they used my name

[22:47] and my address,

[22:48] and that's why I was called.

[22:50] I guess.

[22:52] would you read that first part of the message again they had a suspicious

[23:00] parcel from El Paso, Texas supposedly from me I've never made an email

[23:07] anything to El Paso. I think I think you can ignore that as a

[23:13] fishing intent. It's not legitimate.

[23:20] And they gave border protection, border protection.

[23:30] Did they ask you for any money?

[23:35] If they did, my answer would have been, I don't, I don't

[23:39] give money out of the phone when I've not made the call. No, I, and I, you know, I just, I

[23:47] think if you wanted to bring it to the attention of the Nashville police of the Brown County

[23:52] Sheriff's Department, that would be fine, but I would not respond to it or do that.

[23:57] I thought this, I find the National Police here, don't know how.

[24:01] No, it's a separate building.

[24:03] Where?

[24:03] Should.

[24:04] Artists drive.

[24:06] Do you want to?

[24:07] Danielle, the office manager is going to get the phone number for the Brown County Sheriff's

[24:12] Department and go to the National Police room at all.

[24:15] Okay.

[24:16] I just saw this was kind of crazy.

[24:23] And I didn't give him any personal information number, any account numbers or anything because

[24:34] then I just thought, you know, well, I don't know if the account people want to know this

[24:40] is happening.

[24:42] Well, unfortunately it does happen a lot for a lot of different reasons and I wouldn't

[24:46] return the phone call at all because you have a number of people on the phone and I just

[24:49] answered it.

[24:50] Good.

[24:51] That's fine then.

[24:52] Okay.

[24:53] Okay.

[24:54] I mean, you know, the numbers come up.

[24:57] They don't always come up with the name.

[24:58] No.

[24:59] They come up as unhown.

[25:01] Yes, they do.

[25:04] Yes, they do.

[25:07] You want to call that?

[25:10] They'll be able to tell you if there's a war or not for your arrest or anything.

[25:16] I'm certain that there's not.

[25:19] They don't know that.

[25:21] It was supposedly whatever call, I thought they said they were the police.

[25:39] Yeah, we're actually the board of zoning appeals and this is our monthly meeting so we can't help you any further.

[25:49] I didn't know where else to come.

[25:50] No, that's fine.

[25:51] Yeah, to find somebody.

[25:53] Sure.

[25:53] They can tell me what to do.

[25:56] All right.

[25:57] We follow up with the police.

[25:59] Fun?

[26:00] Follow up with the police.

[26:14] Well, either one would be fine to contact and just follow their recommendations.

[26:23] Where is the sheriff's office?

[26:24] I thought I was coming there when I came here.

[26:26] It's over on 46 on your way to Columbus.

[26:30] He's got 46.

[26:31] It's back over this way, on 46.

[26:36] Is there anybody in there at this time?

[26:38] Yes.

[26:40] I'm trying to think, is it?

[26:47] Tell me something, it's here.

[26:51] It's before you get to IGA and McDonald's.

[26:54] So you pass, turn left at the spotlight.

[26:57] Oh, okay.

[26:57] I can't go past where I'm coming in.

[26:58] Yeah.

[26:59] All right. There'll be somebody there.

[27:01] Yeah.

[27:01] I think so.

[27:02] Yes, I think so.

[27:03] When you walk out of the door, you'll have to push your button.

[27:06] And then of course, you'll come on.

[27:07] And you can tell them what you want, and they'll open the door for you, and you go in and talk to the dispatch, and then they can take it from there.

[27:16] Why are people for me?

[27:19] We've had an answer for you, but I don't.

[27:25] So, what should I do?

[27:34] You've been following me, and I'll show you where to go to the department.

[27:37] If you wait until give us a couple minutes to finish up and then you can follow me in your card and I'll take you over there make sure you get there.

[27:47] All right, I'll reach somebody there.

[27:49] I hope so.

[27:50] I think so.

[27:52] Appreciate it.

[27:53] How did you find it at all?

[27:55] That's fine, we're just going to finish up here, we'll take this very long.

[28:02] Yes, go ahead.

[28:04] All the water tests that we get back every six months, are we?

[28:09] Are those coming in fairly?

[28:12] Logan has to get on some folks to get them in.

[28:17] People get a little comfortable and can place it and forget to turn them in.

[28:21] So you do have a tracking mechanism for that?

[28:23] Really?

[28:25] Of course she does.

[28:27] His name is Logan.

[28:28] and those you're getting the extra results from the lab itself is that what they're

[28:32] for you okay it's

[28:36] all all right anything else for next one we've got two for

[28:41] sure okay possibly five okay there are three

[28:50] terrorist homes that could or could not get approval before Monday which is

[28:55] So we'll know something for sure by Tuesday, but definitely to possibly five.

[29:04] All right, we'll be prepared to be flexible.

[29:10] All right. I didn't have anything else.

[29:13] I'll move that we adjourn this meeting.

[29:16] Just like Daniel, I'll vote to adjourn, please.

[29:19] John Delbert here.

[29:20] Yes. Michael Harrison.

[29:22] Yes. Charlotte Brown.

[29:23] Yes. Randy Jones.

[29:25] Yes.

[29:26] Jane Gore.

[29:26] Yes.

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