[0:12] We're going to call the special meeting of the Carson City Council successor agent and housing authorities to order. It is 920. No. Now, we need to play that. I'm going to call to order, and I want to recess a special meeting until 12:00 today. Same location, but at 12:00 second.

[0:36] Yeah. Madam mayor. Yes. Unfortunately, I have, um, engagement at 12 noon, so I won't be here. And I would go on remotely, but can't legally do that because we're not noticing it. But I'm just letting you know that.

[0:50] You won't be here at 12.

[0:51] Not at 12. That's because I was scheduled. I scheduled my whole day today. I have to go to the airport and so forth.

[0:57] We'll miss you.

[0:58] All right. Thank you.

[0:59] Okay, so we'll have the read till 12:00. Thank you.

[1:07] Okay, everyone, have a wonderful day.

[1:09] You too. And be safe.

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[3:18] Yes. We'll continue. Uh, today is Friday the seventh. We'll continue our regular meeting. A special meeting of today of the City College, City of Carson, the housing authority, successor agency, public finance authority and city council. Um.

[3:37] Roll call, madam city clerk.

[3:40] Thank you, Madam mayor. Council member. Rojas.

[3:43] Present.

[3:44] Council member Dyer is absent. Council member. Hilton.

[3:48] Present.

[3:49] Mayor. Pro tem Hicks.

[3:50] Present.

[3:51] Mayor. Davis Holmes. Present. Thank you.

[3:54] Flag salute by Arlington Councilwoman Rojas.

[4:03] Ready? Begin. Pledge allegiance to the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[4:21] Invocation by Bishop.

[4:23] Let's bow our heads. Father, as we take care of the city's business, we pray that you would bless us, keep us and encourage us. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

[4:32] Closed session, madam city clerk.

[4:36] Any closed session? S4:

[4:38] Mr. attorney, report out on closed sessions.

[4:42] Thank you, Madam Mayor. The City Council will now recess into closed session for two items. The first item is to conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.9 A to confer with legal counsel regarding pending litigation in the case of Tesoro Refining and Marketing Company, LLC versus City of Carson, second Appellate District, Case number B, 335686, and also to conference with legal counsel regarding anticipated litigation in um regarding anticipated litigation pursuant to Government Code Section 54956.9, D2, D3, and E1, because there's a significant exposure to litigation in one case.

[5:30] Thank you. We're going to recess the closed session. We should be back about in an hour.

[5:37] Thank you.

[5:41] This school is close to me.

[5:48] To the city council Officer.

[6:13] Thank you. Madam. Madam mayor, the council met pursuant to the two closed session items listed on the closed session portion of the agenda. No reportable action was taken on either of the items.

[6:24] There's no minutes. No consent. This meeting is adjourned. Oh, we don't have any discussion items. Items? We don't have that. Okay. Hearing nothing else, Mister city manager. That's it.

[6:40] Is there? There's a number three.

[6:41] Number three. Consider adoption rescinding resolution.

[6:44] That's what's on my copy.

[6:45] 2686 for the purpose of withdrawing the order of election on the know. We're not ready for that.

[6:53] It's been pulled.

[6:55] We're going to adjourn this meeting until Monday at 2:00.

[7:04] I'm going to read it.

[7:06] One. Two.

[7:07] Two. Monday, August 10th at two.

[7:11] Yes.

[7:14] This notice is hereby given pursuant to section 54955 of the Government Code of the State of California that the Carson City Council. Carson successor agency, Carson Housing Authority, during a special meeting held on the 7th of August, 2026, did order said. Meeting adjourned to an adjourned special meeting to be held on the 10th day of August, 2026 at 2 p.m., held at Carson City Hall. Council chambers, 701 East Carson Street. I hereby certify that on this day at 3:09 p.m.. I'll post this, uh, this post. Notice of adjourn. Special meeting where said meeting was held. And then I'll declare all of that under penalty of perjury. Sign it. All the things.

[8:01] Thank you.

[8:01] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[8:02] Thank you. Are we ready to go home? Okay. Then the meeting is adjourned. See you guys Tuesday.

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[11:44] Calling the special meeting for a continuation meeting from our Friday meeting from August 7th to now to August the 10th, 2026, to order our Carson City of Carson Housing Authority successor agency, Public Finance Authority, city Council special agenda. Madam clerk, roll call.

[12:03] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Pro tem, Councilmember Rojas.

[12:06] President.

[12:06] Councilmember.

[12:07] Deer here.

[12:08] Councilmember. Hilton. President. Mayor. Pro tem Hicks.

[12:11] Present.

[12:12] Mayor Davis. Holmes.

[12:12] She's on her way.

[12:13] Thank you.

[12:14] Flacks little by councilman.

[12:16] Dear everyone, please stand if you're able to and face the American flag. Put your right hand over your heart. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance.

[12:26] To the flag.

[12:27] Of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. You may be seated.

[12:41] Invocation by Councilman Hilton.

[12:44] Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Let's bow our heads. Father, thank you for an incredible opportunity to serve your people. We pray that you would bless us as we conduct the city's business. In Jesus name, I pray. Amen.

[12:55] Amen. Closed session. Uh, any public comments for any items on the closed session, Madam Clerk?

[13:02] I have two public comment items there for.

[13:06] I don't know if this is right.

[13:08] Um, I don't know if it's for closed session or not, but it is in regards to the opposition of the ballot measure.

[13:14] Is it for the who was the actual people want to speak?

[13:17] It says item 23, but there's not an item 23 on this.

[13:22] Okay. For the item. So nothing for the closed session item at this point in time. So when we come back, it'll be for the item. Okay. Thank you for that.

[13:30] Closed session about the ballot measures for the proposed act.

[13:34] No it's not.

[13:38] City attorney. Please report out.

[13:39] Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem and members of the council. Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, I got to tell you, having come back to City Hall after a long absence, this place is spectacular. So congratulations on what you've done to make the council chamber, the city hall, the grounds. It's beautiful. Beautiful. Anyway. Thank you. Council has two items on its closed session agenda tonight. The first is one matter of pending litigation to which the city is a party. The authority to meet in closed session is government code section 54956.9 A. The title of the litigation is Tesoro Refinery and Marketing versus the City of Carson case number B 335686 and the second closed session. Uh will consider facts and circumstances which could give rise to an exposure litigation in one case where, in the judgment of the city attorney, the facts and circumstances giving rise to such a measure is not known to the punitive plaintiff. The authority to hold this closed session as Government Code Section 54956.9, D two or D three and E one. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem.

[14:47] Thank you for that. Madam clerk, just for clarification, I think for the resident that wanted to speak because I mean, for item number three, not 23.

[14:59] For clarification, Mr. Mayor Pro Tem, I believe the item number is in reference to last Tuesday's council agenda, not the special agenda that was published for Friday special meeting.

[15:09] And we want to make it clear for the record that he's you, sir, you're you're for item number three that deals with the actual, um, tax that's actually being put on the ballot. So for today's meeting, it's item number three.

[15:25] I'm sorry.

[15:27] Okay.

[15:30] Okay. Both of them for both people that want to speak when we when we.

[15:34] I'll make the correction.

[15:35] Thank you. About how long for closed session? An hour, 45 minutes. Ten minutes. 25.

[15:42] Uh, that is entirely in the control of the city council.

[15:45] We will.

[15:46] Stop. I would guess 30 to 45 minutes.

[15:48] I'll give you. I'll give you an hour. We closed session until about ten minutes after three. And if not, we will come back and let people know that it's a little bit longer. We are now in recess.

[16:43] Thank you. We're reconvening to open session.

[16:49] Mr. City attorney, please report out.

[16:51] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Members of the City council, those who are watching electronically and who are participating in person in the council, in this beautiful council chamber, the City Council met in closed session and discussed one matter of pending litigation and one matter of exposure to litigation. The city attorney presented a privileged and confidential settlement terms and conditions that have been proposed by the Tesoro Marketing and Refining. The City Council reviewed each of the terms and conditions of the proposed settlement. The City Council has approved the same in concept, subject to bringing back a fully executed signed settlement and annual payment agreement, the total sum of which will involve some $370 million to the city of Carson. As a consequence of that, there will need to be a public action taken which will be on your next agenda item. That concludes my closed session report.

[17:55] Madam City Clerk, were there any oral communication on any matters?

[18:01] Thank you, Madam Mayor. There's two public comments for item number three.

[18:06] Yes. Call them up, madam city clerk.

[18:09] Thank you.

[18:12] James Holland.

[18:20] Hi, James. You have two minutes.

[18:24] Good afternoon, Mayor Holmes.

[18:26] Members of the city council. My name is Jimmy Holland. I represent 2000 members of the Boilermakers Local 92. I submitted my written comments last week, and I'm here today to respectfully ask you to reconsider the proposed oil refinery tax ballot measure. I believe that any tax imposed on local refineries will ultimately be passed on to consumers. Increased operating costs do not simply disappear. They are often reflected in higher prices for the people who live and work in our community. Furthermore, I believe that a dollar per barrel tax is excessive and could have unintended economic consequences for local businesses, workers and residents. It is also important to recognize a long history of refinery refining operations in Carson, California. 1938 Richfield Oil Corporation established refinery operations here. 1966 to 2000 it was operated by Arco. 2000 to 2013 it was operated by BP. 13 to 18 it was Tesoro an endeavor. 2018 to present is now marathon. I know that's where the issues are right now. These refineries were part of this community long before Carson was incorporated on February 6th, 1968. They have provided jobs, family, they have provided jobs, supported families, and contributed to the local economy economy for decades. Because of this history, I do not believe it's appropriate to characterize their continued operation as a privilege that was spoken last week. Rather, they are long standing businesses that have helped build and sustain this community. For these reasons, I respectfully urge the Council to reconsider placing this measure before the voters. Thank you.

[20:08] Thank you.

[20:09] Thank you sir. Our final speaker, Steven Leonard.

[20:17] Good afternoon sir. You have two minutes.

[20:19] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Council members, thank you for this time. I was here last week and I asked you a couple of questions. I have more questions for you. If this proposal goes through and is voted on and it passes. Are you really willing to go into litigation again? How much more litigation money are you willing to spend of your taxpayers money on litigation? It's not cheap. You guys are in the Supreme Court waiting a decision, but yet you already making a decision to put another dollar tax in the kiddie pot. And it's not a tax that yeah, you gain all the money. But Californians are going to be the ones that are forking out the bill. I don't even live in Carson. I work in Carson. I don't even live in Carson. But yet I'm going to be paying you $0.03 a gallon for this tax. How fair is that? I don't get to vote in your stuff. But yet you're telling me that. Oh, the people here in Carson voted that you owe them $0.03 a gallon. How fair is that? Explain to me. Why is it fair for Californians to fork out this? And another question I have. If marathon shuts down, you're losing not only the marathon refinery, you're losing all the businesses that are around here that are supported by that refinery. The reason why is because you have 1500 employees working at the refinery. You have another 2000 that are working from turnarounds and all that. Hotels, mechanics, schools all help build this city. We the workers, help build this city. You shut down that plant and it's going to happen. The cities keep on saying more and more and more. That doesn't sound like anything. That sounds like a kingship to me. You guys keep on saying, oh, it's only a dollar. It's only a penny. It's only a dollar. No, sooner or later it sounds like a kingship and you guys are just raping us.

[22:25] Thank you.

[22:26] Madam mayor, could I correct him on something? Um, sir Stephen, the Supreme Court, uh, made a ruling at 10:00 this morning on the issue. Yeah.

[22:37] Thank you.

[22:38] Thank you.

[22:40] Okay. Anyone? There are no minutes. Uh, any items be removed from the consent calendar? Special orders of the day. None. Discussion item number three.

[22:54] Thank you. Mr.. Madam mayor. I'm used to talking to Mr. Mayor. I apologize, Madam Mayor. I don't.

[23:00] Know better than any mister.

[23:02] But that'll get me in all kinds of hot water. Yes, for which I am profusely sorry. Um, okay. Uh, in light of the settlement agreement that has been reached in principle between Tesoro, uh, a marathon subsidiary and the city council, which is subject to documentation. We are now recommending that the council rescind and withdraw the proposed per barrel tax measure that you have provisionally placed on the November 3rd ballot, and we have given to you at the day us tonight a resolution to accomplish that. Before I walk you through that resolution in response to one of the speakers tonight, I want to make clear that the settlement agreement that has been agreed to between the parties and principals reimburses the city in full, not only for the tax that has been impounded, but for the costs of the litigation, the city attorney's fees, the city's consultant fees, penalties and interest on the impounded fund so that once the agreement is executed, the city will be made entirely whole, entirely whole from this litigation. You won't be. You will be reimbursed down to the last penny. Having said that, before you on the dais is a draft resolution, and the first thing we'd like you to do is insert a resolution number 26097.

[24:37] I want to take you to the second whereas clause and there's a blank there. The first blank. We want to insert the words $120 million in settlement of certain litigation, buy in between the parties. And in the second blank. We want to we want to insert the number $250 million, the same to be paid over 15 years.

[25:08] The last whereas clause, the second to the last. Whereas clause you want to insert the date August 10th, 2026. Now the remainder of the resolution rescinds and asks for the withdrawal of all resolutions relating to the per barrel tax measure. That's sections two, three, four and five. The last section, which is very important because until while we have agreement of principle, you know, the devil's in the details until we have a signed agreement signed by Tesoro. Then this resolution in section eight is made conditional, and it is conditional upon the execution of a final and complete settlement agreement to the satisfaction of all parties. We want to get this done by tomorrow. We have a draft of the agreement that, uh, right after this meeting, I'm going to fill in the last blanks and send it to Tesoro Council. We want it signed tonight. We want you to approve that agreement tomorrow, and we will call and walk over to the registrar recorder's office. This resolution 097, as we have provided it to you tonight. So our recommendation, Madam Mayor and members of the council, is that you adopt resolution number 26097 as completed by filling in the blanks, as I noted to you in my staff report.

[26:44] So, City Attorney, I would like to. Madam mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we adopt resolution number 26, dash 097, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Carson, California, rescinding and withdrawing resolution number 26086 for the purpose of withdrawing the order of election on a proposed oil refinery tax to have been considered at the November 3rd, 2026 election, and rescinding and withdrawing related resolutions.

[27:16] Second the motion.

[27:20] And friendly amendment. So the motion should be stated. As the attorney explained, it's, uh, conditional and uh in the motion incorporates the resolution that we just went over publicly.

[27:34] Thank you.

[27:35] Yes.

[27:36] That's fine. Agreed.

[27:37] Agreed.

[27:37] Thank you.

[27:40] Only only happens with a fully executed document.

[27:43] Only happens with a fully executed by tomorrow.

[27:47] Like.

[27:49] Like now.

[27:49] The next five minutes would be nice.

[27:51] It has to be done.

[27:51] Okay. Any further questions on the motion? Uh.

[27:59] Roll call or do we vote? Can we vote electronically? Yes. Okay.

[28:05] It's not working.

[28:09] The roll call is not roll call.

[28:11] Okay. Council Councilmember Rojas. Yes. Councilmember. Dear.

[28:16] Yes.

[28:17] Councilmember. Hilton.

[28:18] Yes.

[28:19] Mayor pro tem.

[28:19] Hicks. Yes.

[28:20] Mayor. Davis. Holmes.

[28:22] Hallelujah!

[28:24] Yes.

[28:25] Unanimous motion carries. Congratulations.

[28:30] Thank you.

[28:34] Thank you.

[28:35] My colleagues. So, do we have to have a special meeting or anything? Recess.

[28:40] Do we continue this one?

[28:41] Yes. Continue.

[28:44] We actually have to notice a special hearing because approval of the agreement was not on the agenda tonight. And you can't continue it till tomorrow. We've already noticed that meeting for tomorrow at 3 p.m. 3 p.m..

[28:57] Okay, we don't have to be in court.

[29:00] So.

[29:01] No, no, no, we don't have to be in court.

[29:04] I'm available in the morning as.

[29:05] Well, but we have to give you 24 hours advance notice.

[29:09] 3 p.m. is fine.

[29:10] So I know I've wrecked your afternoon, but since I did it once today, what's one more day?

[29:16] Uh, as a courtesy to the public, I'm calling a special meeting for tomorrow afternoon at 3 p.m.. The special meeting for tomorrow will be posted in compliance and accordance with the usual Brown Act procedures. That will be tomorrow at 3 p.m.. Yes.

[29:34] Madam.

[29:35] 330.

[29:36] You can do 4:00. It's 3:00 because you have to get to the.

[29:39] We have to post it. We have we have to create the agenda. Post it.

[29:43] We will either have a sign.

[29:45] Is it.

[29:45] Ready? Agreement tomorrow or we won't. So 330 is not a problem as long as you all can make it.

[29:52] When you make it. But you still.

[29:53] Trying to get it done.

[29:56] Oh.

[29:59] 4:00 is better.

[30:01] What would that give you?

[30:02] Enough time. 4:00 is better.

[30:03] Let's walk this down to the registrar's office.

[30:05] The registrar.

[30:06] Stop the presses.

[30:07] Oh, no I'm not. I'm talking about posting the special meeting agenda for tomorrow.

[30:11] But does it give you time to get it to the registrar's recorder's office tomorrow? If we have a meeting at four. It has to be that tomorrow.

[30:19] I thought we were talking about the same counselor for the special meeting. We are, but we're all things. So it's two things.

[30:26] I suggest we have the meeting at three in order to give the city clerk ample time and not under pressure.

[30:31] So, excuse me if I can.

[30:32] Get you clarification, Mr. City Manager. Go ahead. Okay.

[30:36] If I if I may mail the mayor. So staff needs enough time. We need 24 hours behind Robert's Rules of Order to make sure that we are posted in plenty enough time. So 24 hours is a requirement. That's a state requirement. If we do it at 3:00, they're not going to be able to post by three, which means three. Right now it's 245. That means they have 15 minutes and they can't post in 15 minutes. So we're asking can we maybe just do 330 or 4:00? 4:00 is why we're asking. Just to ensure we have enough time. But the secondary question to that is even if we have enough time to post. The council's question is will you have enough time to get it down to the registrar's office delivering it, stating that this resolution is being removed? I'm sorry.

[31:23] It has to get that way.

[31:27] This will be my first time doing it.

[31:29] How can you do it? S10:

[31:42] Madam City clerk, you said you can't.

[31:45] You can't. Okay.

[31:46] Oh, scan.

[31:47] I'm assuming you're talking about the election deadline for the. Yes. That's scanned. I'm not driving that anywhere. I'm sorry for the confusion. That's what I was saying. I've never. I'm not. I'm not driving at all. Yes.

[31:58] I just want to ensure that the recension resolution.

[32:04] Deadline.

[32:04] Absolute deadline is met. Whether it's email, you have to do it physically or whatever.

[32:09] It's scanning it to Dean Logan's office, and I can do that before 5:00 pm.

[32:15] So if we can just have 4:00, then, Madam Mayor, to ensure we can post enough, that gives us our staff an hour and 15 minutes to get everything posted in time.

[32:24] Okay. 4 p.m. tomorrow. What time does Dean Logan close? Tomorrow?

[32:28] 5:00.

[32:32] That's why I have staff I can run down, scan it. Somebody else can come sit up here with it. It'll get done.

[32:40] I'm worried about getting it to Dean Logan's office. You couldn't do it by 330. We need some breathing.

[32:48] We can make it 330. It's fine.

[32:51] About 315 and.

[32:53] The. Yeah.

[32:56] Tomorrow's the.

[32:56] 12. No, tomorrow's the 11th. Oh.

[33:00] Okay. 4 p.m..

[33:02] That's what I thought we were talking about.

[33:05] Okay, 4 p.m.. We have a special meeting, uh, at 4 p.m. tomorrow. I thought it was tomorrow.

[33:21] O'Clock?

[33:22] 4:00. We will have a special meeting tomorrow. So is this going to be a recess meeting or. We have to read.

[33:31] It needs to be in.

[33:33] With its own standalone.

[33:34] Okay, so you can adjourn this meeting.

[33:36] Okay. So I'm going to having no further comments. Anyone else want to say anything? If not, the meeting is adjourned. We'll see you tomorrow at four.

City of Carson CA. Council Special Meeting 8-07-2026 9AM & 8-10-2026 2PM

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