[0:03] All right. I would like to call the Board of Zoning Appeals and Planning for March 28, 2024 to order. Please call the roll.

[0:16] Jacob.

[0:17] Present.

[0:17] Martin.

[0:19] Nielsen.

[0:20] Present.

[0:21] Siegel.

[0:22] Present.

[0:23] Brown.

[0:24] Present.

[0:25] Great House.

[0:27] Wave ring.

[0:27] Present.

[0:29] Allow remote participation.

[0:31] This Board of Zoning Appeals and Planning Meeting may include remote participation.

[0:36] It is important that the classes' cases schedule tonight be heard to continue critical city

[0:40] business which will enable ongoing construction, development, protection of property values,

[0:45] and the promotion of the city's economic vitality.

[0:49] This meeting may be viewed online at www.CharlestonOlonoy.org.

[0:54] Members of the public had the opportunity to submit written comments in advance of the meeting.

[0:58] Physically present members of the public will be invited to participate.

[1:02] These methods of public participation were publicized on the city's website through notices

[1:07] This is provided for each case and on the agenda for tonight's meeting.

[1:10] Tonight, Steve Pamperen will be responsible for administering remote platforms.

[1:17] Next item, approved minutes from the regular meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals in planning on March 14th, 2024.

[1:24] Question

[1:37] took seven minutes.

[1:39] Second,

[1:43] Jacobs.

[1:44] Abstain.

[1:51] Marge.

[1:53] Yes.

[1:56] Nilson, yes, Siegel.

[1:58] Yes.

[1:59] Brown.

[1:59] Yes.

[1:59] Yes, as indicated earlier, interested parties have been provided the opportunity to comment on each case tonight in a variety of ways, including the submittal of written comments prior to tonight's meeting for inclusion in the meeting packet.

[2:15] In addition, the members of the public were invited to submit an indication of support or opposition to be read into the record by staff, submit written comments to be read into the record by city staff or request to speak during the meeting.

[2:27] For those who registered to speak, I will call each speaker in the order that they signed

[2:31] up.

[2:32] Speakers will be muted until their name is called by staff.

[2:35] Prior to speaking, I will ask the speaker to state their name and then be sworn in.

[2:40] Finally, before adjourning the public hearing portion of any case, I will ask if anyone who

[2:44] is participating in the meeting by phone or through the electronic meeting platform but

[2:48] did not specifically sign up to speak through the city clerk would like to provide comment

[2:52] or testimony.

[2:53] To ensure that we have an opportunity to hear from each person wishing to speak, please

[2:58] keep your comments specific to the request under consideration and try to avoid repetitive

[3:02] comments.

[3:04] Anyone participating in the hearing will also be able to ask questions of any speaker that

[3:07] provided testimony.

[3:10] With that said, we have come to the portion of our agenda that has been reserved for public

[3:14] hearings.

[3:15] Some of the duties of the Board of Zoning Appeals and Planning is to conduct a hearing on

[3:19] requests for conditional use permits.

[3:20] First tonight we will hear the conditional use permit request of Bobby Bartley, DBA Bartley

[3:28] Garage LLC. Mr. Bartley is requesting a conditional use permit for a contractor in trade shops

[3:34] with indoor operations and storage with outdoor storage including heavy vehicles.

[3:41] Use in the C2 General Commercial Zoning District. The property in question is located at 801

[3:48] 18th Street and is in the city limits.

[3:51] The procedure we will use to conduct the hearing as follows.

[3:54] Mr. Bartley will present the case, describing the conditional use permit request on the

[3:58] property.

[4:00] Members of the BZAP may question Mr. Bartley.

[4:03] The public may question Mr. Bartley.

[4:06] Rebuttal evidence may be presented as determined appropriate by the chair.

[4:10] Following the presentation of all evidence by Mr. Bartley, the BZAP will hear from the public.

[4:15] When questioning any witness, questions are to be directed to the chair and the chair will determine the appropriateness of the question.

[4:23] If the question is allowed, the chair will ask the witness the question.

[4:27] When there is no further testimony, the hearing will be closed and the board of zoning appeals and planning will take its vote on the request.

[4:34] The BZAP shall make a recommendation to the City Council on approval or denial of the request based on the findings.

[4:41] The City Council shall make the final decision by considering the findings of the public hearing from the BZap.

[4:47] Please be concise in your testimony. If your point has already been made during the hearing, it will not be necessary for you to repeat it.

[4:53] Each item addressed in each point made is recorded and considered as the Board of Zoning Appeals and Planning makes its findings and recommendation.

[5:02] When it is your turn to testify, please raise your hand and I will call on you.

[5:06] To ensure that everyone can be heard, please do not speak until I call on you.

[5:10] Please then state your name for the record.

[5:12] After everyone who wishes to present testimony has spoken, the members will be asked to

[5:16] consider whether they have heard adequate testimony to make a decision.

[5:20] The members may then offer their comments based on the testimony presented at the hearing

[5:24] in considering the comments of other entities such as other units of local government.

[5:29] In addition, anyone may present additional information in response to a specific question

[5:34] or requests for information from the board.

[5:37] Those are the only circumstances under which the board will hear any additional testimony.

[5:43] The first hearing this evening is the request for a conditional use permit is from Bobbi

[5:47] Bartley.

[5:49] Without objection from the members of the board, the public hearing on this issue is now open.

[5:54] We will begin the public hearing by reading the notice of publication into the record.

[5:58] The Charleston Board of Zoning Appeals and Planning will conduct a public hearing on Thursday,

[6:02] day, March 28, 2024 at 7 p.m. in the City Council Chambers of City Hall, 520 Jackson Avenue,

[6:10] Charleston, Illinois, to consider the petition of Bobby Bartley, DBA Bartley Garage, LLC

[6:16] 4, conditional use permit to allow for contractor and trade shops, indoor operations and storage

[6:23] and indoor operations and outdoor storage, including heavy vehicles, use in the C2 General

[6:30] Commercial Zoning District and all on a track of land described as a part of the northeast

[6:36] corner of Section 14, Township 12, North Range 9, East of the Third Principal Meridian,

[6:45] lying east of right of way of SBI, Route No. 130, and South of the public road along the

[6:53] north side of Section 14 described as follows.

[6:56] Be getting at the intersection of the East right-of-way line of SBI Route No. 130 in the

[7:04] South line of Harrison Avenue, then East along the South line of Harrison Avenue, 174

[7:11] feet, then South 105 feet, then West 170 feet to the East right-of-way line of SBI Route

[7:20] number 130. Then's northerly along the east line of SBI route number 130, 105 feet to the place of

[7:30] beginning, Coles County, Illinois. Also known as 801 18th Street Charleston, Illinois, property index

[7:38] number 0, 2, dash 1, dash 0, 0, 5, 0, 4, dash 0, 0, 0. This notice was published on March, March 8th, 2024 in the

[7:51] Journal Gazette Times Courier newspaper and was posted online at www.CharlestonEllinois.org.

[8:00] Okay, we'll Mr. Bartley present his case.

[8:08] Just need you to hold your hand up and tell us your name, and your address, and to the

[8:14] best of your knowledge, everything you're going to share with us tonight is the truth.

[8:17] My name is Trevor Justice.

[8:19] My address is 301, east 2140, and through Westfield Illinois.

[8:23] That's my knowledge, and I'm going to say the same thing will be true.

[8:29] Okay.

[8:32] So basically, we're seeking to use this as a contract or trade challenge indoor storage

[8:37] outdoor storage for heavy equipment into our operations.

[8:41] Our primary intended use for this is kind of a

[8:44] crack of control in response annex for some of our larger incidents.

[8:50] We don't intend, we have no desire to keep any

[8:54] wrecked vehicles, towed vehicles, you know, nothing that has been disabled

[8:58] over there, you know, it will all be basically all license vehicles

[9:02] or equipment that would be used for us

[9:05] in our response to the nature incidence element highways, traffic control equipment, sometimes

[9:10] we have to have semi-trailers to upload cargo into where we're currently located at.

[9:17] We are basically surrounded with nowhere to expand to be able to further, we've kind

[9:24] of outgrown where we're at and have no place close by that we can physically branch up to.

[9:33] This is kind of an ideal location for us, it's directly across the street from our current

[9:38] operations in a place that we can rapidly access a lot of our contracts that we have with

[9:45] the Illinois State Police, City of Charleston, several county police sheriff's departments

[9:50] have response guidelines that we have to follow with maximum response times that we have to adhere to.

[9:56] But this being close to our actual physical location where we're currently at, it's really

[10:05] convenient, it's really close, it would help us maintain those while still being able

[10:09] to have a place to put some of this equipment that may not be used daily, but it still

[10:16] has to be stored within a readily accessible time frame.

[10:20] I mean, some of these response times are as low as 20 months.

[10:24] You know, opposite side of town, if I have to sit and come in, you know, get a piece of equipment,

[10:29] shovel to the other side of town and come back to respond to an incident, that a lot of

[10:34] times we eat up, you know, what response time we would have.

[10:37] You know, having this kind of center located to our facility is, it's really going to be key

[10:44] to us being able to expand our, expand our operations, to be able to, you know, function

[10:48] to a little bit better bring more jobs in.

[10:52] Honestly, we're limited by the equipment that we can run.

[10:56] We have to turn away the way that we don't have enough equipment

[10:58] sometimes to be able to perform those jobs.

[11:01] And with that equipment comes guys to actually operate them,

[11:04] which would be more jobs that we could potentially

[11:06] bring into the area by being able to maintain

[11:11] this base of operations.

[11:20] Like I said before, we have absolutely no

[11:23] intention of keeping, you know, correct vehicles, you know, disabled vehicles,

[11:28] co-demand and pounded. It's not going to be like an actual embound yard. That's

[11:33] not entirely what we're looking at it for. Basically just kind of a basic response

[11:38] annex, first to operate out of, we can get some of our equipment inside of the

[11:43] building. Some of our vehicles can be maintained close to our current

[11:47] based operations, you know, we would be looking at putting a, like, a 26-foot buffer space

[11:55] along the back, the east portion of the property line, finding some trees in there, give kind

[12:01] of a, kind of a visual break to the residential districts that are to the east of us, adds

[12:07] in some green space to, you know, just, it just helps out the aesthetics, kind of helps

[12:12] take away some of the visual impact that's could potentially have, you know, to any of the

[12:16] neighbors around your thing happen to receive that you know

[12:22] looking at your

[12:23] map real quick I realize you got to hook up to equipment you got a background

[12:27] you got to hook up and roll is this a basically going to be how you're going to

[12:32] lay your outside equipment out that that would be very very close to how we

[12:37] cut it out yes trying to keep it away from the property away from the east

[12:41] property line with a residential area yeah trying to keep some of that noise and

[12:44] some of the traffic out towards 18th Street where we're having a little bit less impact

[12:50] on the neighbors and yeah and I you can only get so much in there because you gotta get

[12:54] it out you gotta hook up and you gotta get it out right then get it back back in so

[13:00] yeah you kind of limited on how much outdoor equipment you have absolutely absolutely but this

[13:06] wouldn't be the tell all amount of equipment that you might put out there no that would

[13:13] not be the tell all right that is a pretty pretty just some summation of what

[13:18] okay okay with the where would the air to be to get up to it would be straight on

[13:32] the west side straight if you look at the building on that map yes looking

[13:39] straight out from the building isn't interest to 18th Street North is on the

[13:44] right side. By utilizing that entrance off of 18th Street, that would keep the traffic

[13:51] that would be on Harrison as a result of this off of Harrison. It would keep it out

[13:57] of the residential districts and we could service it off of that 18th Street entrance and

[14:03] be able to, once again, keep the impact of the residential area is minimized and any of

[14:08] the increased traffic or business that may come from that would be felt primarily across

[14:13] that are primary location. Any of the racks are going to be going over there. Any of the repair

[14:18] work that's going to be coming in is going to still be performed in our old location. This is

[14:23] basically opening up some space for us to be able to do more work out at the current location.

[14:30] So maybe repairs in the building there or anything at you just can get a house,

[14:34] anybody over there, you're just going to go pick up equipment. It's basically going to be pick up

[14:37] equipment, maintain some of our traffic control equipment in there. Okay, like we have to keep

[14:44] Do

[14:50] you have any objection to including your application and along with the packet as part of our just finding a facts?

[14:58] Yes.

[14:58] Okay.

[15:00] That's good.

[15:03] In going through the letters, not a couple of things, and you had touched a little

[15:10] bit on and interested to see if you can provide a little bit more information. You had mentioned

[15:15] some of the response times. I wasn't sure how large of an area do you serve through this

[15:23] facility. Through this facility, for customer requests, we honestly service

[15:29] rate early as 60 mile radius. We have certain customers that will tow

[15:36] Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky, basically most of the joining states around

[15:40] state, Illinois. We have 48 state operating authority but we typically stay within

[15:46] we're short of help. We're limited by help and equipment and that keeps us in

[15:52] Inclosure to our operations. For more of our primary or for response times where we have to meet those contractual obligations

[16:01] Our Illinois State Police rotation the breakoff point is the Colts Douglas line

[16:07] We may go north of there if they need this north of there, but in district typically that is our breakoff between somebody from champagne coming down

[16:16] We'll go to the Colts Cumberland line

[16:19] We also service Colts County

[16:20] Cumberland County, Clark County, Bayer County, Douglas County, Walter County, we do Kansas Police

[16:28] Portman, Charleston Police Department. We kind of spread out around.

[16:38] So each of those entities have their own response time?

[16:41] Each of a lot of those entities do. Some of them don't. Some of them don't. A lot of them just

[16:45] will say, you know, within a certain time frame, are just, you know, within reason, depending

[16:50] on geographically where it's located from, but like, for instance, the city of Charleston,

[16:55] we have a 20-minute BTA, but it is our maximum by our toe in contract with city of Charleston.

[17:02] So, you know, from the time they call us to the time we have to get on scene is 20-minutes

[17:07] maximum for a larger incident, sometimes that's really pushing it, getting some of this

[17:14] heavy equipment loaded, rolling, and mobilized to the scene.

[17:18] Where's your heavy equipment stored now?

[17:21] It is currently stored in our facility on 814-18th Street.

[17:27] We own a apartment complex, a apartment building on the corner of Harrison and 18th Street.

[17:35] The property lines kind of all meld together through there.

[17:37] It's an old property with multiple different sections through there.

[17:42] But right now, most of our independent equipment

[17:44] just stores on that facility and has crowded us in

[17:48] to the point where it is sometimes difficult

[17:50] to get customers' vehicles in.

[17:58] Something else that I was reading in your letter

[18:01] was how your company has been growing.

[18:03] Can you talk about the recent growth

[18:06] and proposed potential growth you're looking at?

[18:09] In the recent growth, this is just not kind of,

[18:12] I'm just gonna tell you kind of off my personal experience.

[18:14] Sure.

[18:14] I started with him in 2014 straight out of high school, worked there.

[18:22] That's how I paid my way through college with your EIU, graduated three

[18:26] and a half years with a bachelor's in EIU, and in that time frame, we have went

[18:31] from having two heavy duty tow trucks to, and having about 45 guys on staff the

[18:37] whole time, in the last 10 years we have stepped up to four heavy duty tow trucks,

[18:42] including a roadtaker and we're currently what? Now what? Seven employees full-time?

[18:47] Yeah, they're going full-time. Three employees within the last you know ten years we've added two

[18:53] heavy duty tow trucks in that time frame.

[18:58] You've all seen some of the news reports and press releases

[19:01] of some of the accidents that are held on the highways with bigger accidents come a quick

[19:07] response time to avoid secondary and we've been having to like say build this equipment

[19:11] and build our employee base,

[19:13] they'll be able to have enough personnel to stand this.

[19:17] We do do a little bit of cross-training

[19:19] with the Charleston Fire Department.

[19:22] We've got kind of a pseudo agreement with them,

[19:26] anytime certain criteria are met,

[19:29] we're dispatched out by 911 to assist in with the lift.

[19:32] They are a very capable fire department,

[19:35] they have lots of equipment.

[19:38] Some of our equipment works very well alongside theirs

[19:41] to help fix, but some of their responses, some of their issues that they might have.

[19:47] Like I said, we have added in three to four, three or four full time jobs probably in the last 10 years.

[19:54] And I honestly couldn't say how many trucks we had when we started off.

[19:59] I know, I just mentioned one truck in the 70s, one truck with two guys.

[20:05] And here we are with 14 trucks and seven employees.

[20:14] One other thing you know you talked about in your presentation and then it's in here

[20:19] about the green space towards the east.

[20:21] Can you talk as far as any other fencing or screening for the other sides of the property

[20:30] that you're looking at?

[20:32] It could be very easily applied.

[20:35] You know, we would have no problems with putting up some privacy fencing if that would, you know, help

[20:40] help alleviate some of the visual flight that could be perceived there.

[20:44] That the south side of the property line is fairly close to the printing shop.

[20:49] It runs straight down our property line.

[20:51] You know, it would not be a problem to put fencing down that site if you'd be.

[20:56] That was also just thinking from securing your equipment standpoint.

[21:02] I'm anticipating you might have some thoughts or plans in saying okay what what might

[21:07] those be?

[21:08] With the with the semi-trailer is in there it would be somewhat difficult but it could

[21:12] be fenced up to that location or to that area you know but there are a few options you

[21:17] know we could put some fencing in there if neatly.

[21:25] Most part of a lot of our equipment is part of this maintained pitch locks that we'll trailer

[21:29] and what's called a team pin lock.

[21:31] Secures the team pin, basically, if you don't know what's,

[21:35] how semi-trailer hooks in, if they have a big pin

[21:37] with a ridge and a fork,

[21:39] when they hit that foot, it closes around the pin.

[21:41] So what we have is a device that actually goes on there,

[21:44] keeps it from actually entering into those jaws.

[21:47] And a lot of our trailer hitches and stuff,

[21:49] you know, we can hitch and secure them.

[21:51] You know, there's multiple ways that we can

[21:54] secure the equipment.

[21:55] Great.

[22:00] Any other questions for you guys?

[22:04] Is there anyone in the public that has questions for anything he just talked about?

[22:15] Did we have any submitted comments to be read into the record?

[22:19] I'm not getting written comments, I did get a phone call question clarification.

[22:23] Okay.

[22:26] Is there anyone here that wishes to speak other than Trevor on behalf of this or against

[22:32] this?

[22:35] Okay.

[22:39] Trevor, you can have a seat.

[22:41] Yeah, thank you.

[22:42] Thank you.

[22:43] Thank you.

[22:47] I guess I do have one other question perhaps for Trevor and for the petitioner.

[22:53] Something that one thought that's going through my mind as far as potential conditions on the permit.

[23:01] And I'd be interested in your take on it would be that the conditional use permit would expire upon sale or transfer of the property.

[23:11] would there be any concerns or issues of having that?

[23:15] I referred up to Bob on that.

[23:16] No, by how many?

[23:18] I'm going to say cloud.

[23:19] He has a problem here.

[23:19] Sure.

[23:20] Would there be any problems with putting a condition on this?

[23:24] The permit would expire upon sale or transfer of the expired?

[23:30] Yes.

[23:31] The condition of use permit would expire if you ever sold the place.

[23:35] Or transfer.

[23:36] Okay.

[23:38] Just one.

[23:39] Make sure.

[23:39] I don't know if it's a successful model.

[23:41] Yeah, well, and part of that is just wanting to recognize that part of your application is based on you putting us forward.

[23:52] And so if you sold it to another entity saying, well, we don't necessarily know what they might do.

[24:00] So, sure, thank you.

[24:01] If I may ask so that if that were to happen then the new owner would have to apply if they

[24:09] wanted outdoor storage with heavy vehicles that a new owner would have to apply again.

[24:14] If that condition is put on there, it's great.

[24:22] Any discussions?

[24:25] I mean I look like a good plan to me and geographically perfect for you guys.

[24:41] Well maybe maybe not, it's easier to get out of the way it is and you can offload space

[24:45] for your at now, so I actually operate and I've had conditional and exploration of

[24:53] conditional use.

[24:53] I think it's a pretty good idea that way if you guys ever do sell it, somebody's got

[24:58] to come does it, they want to do the same thing, so it's just smart enough to do the hang

[25:03] properties are in interest. So, you know, as long as the business would be operating,

[25:07] you know, the property would be technically would never change because it is in

[25:10] interest. That's fair. The other thing I had to think about at Trevor said

[25:14] it is, he has no, they have no intention to put wrecked vehicles on there. Correct.

[25:18] You could certainly make that a condition to make sure that it's tied to this, right?

[25:22] You say that outdoor storage except for any wrecked vehicles.

[25:26] You can, I don't know, tow trucks might be going over the line a little bit,

[25:29] But we're not creating an impound yard here, so you might want to say not an impound yard, not a wreck of vehicles.

[25:34] Of course, state law says that we have to keep the inbound vehicle in a fence in an area where we have.

[25:41] On your side.

[25:43] So for this figure property, you might want to make sure that if you want to add that condition,

[25:49] that this will not be used for that type of work.

[25:52] I think that makes sense.

[25:53] So I mean stated in here and this is going to be added into the record that's used, but it would have to be yes.

[25:58] If you guys have no objection to that.

[26:01] And then the other thing, and I know Trevor to talk about this and write another question.

[26:04] If you do have specific hopes for offense on the South Line or something like that, then that could be a condition.

[26:11] I'm sure they would honor their word that you could say six foot high privacy offense on the South Side or you have the right to make those conditions or not.

[26:19] It's really your guys' decision.

[26:21] But I think right now, Mark, and I don't get tested by some of the Trevor, but I think

[26:25] right now there's a fence on the east side, right?

[26:27] Six-foot-high fence.

[26:28] I think there's a shorter fence on that north side, maybe a three-footer or four-footer.

[26:33] Is it a four-foot split rail tube in the crowd?

[26:36] That goes a little ways before the entrance on that side.

[26:38] That's really not a privacy.

[26:39] But if we're talking privacy fencing, we're not talking chain link, right?

[26:43] We're talking something that's either vinyl or cedar or something that you can't see

[26:47] through.

[26:47] But would it would a chain link fence apply if that had a privacy screen or privacy

[26:53] slots put through it?

[26:54] That would get to these guys to go and put slots in it.

[26:56] But the privacy fence you have now on that east side will work and one of the reasons

[27:00] we have to do that is because the property to the east is our one, right?

[27:03] So we have to do a block burrow between that property to the east.

[27:06] But if you have specific hopes for the south, whether it's a chain link, you want to do that

[27:09] with slots or if you want to say, hey, you're doing a six foot vinyl privacy, if these guys

[27:15] would be open that you guys can have that conversation. But I know that you came up so if you want

[27:19] those things I can't enforce it unless it's in the conditions. The only problem with putting up

[27:23] a fence like that is this is huge equipment that they're moving around. I see fence potentially

[27:31] in Detroit. And then you can ask a bit. And it is? It's also C2 to the south, right? And you don't

[27:38] Yes.

[27:38] Have a buck for a season to see, too.

[27:39] I just knew it's asked about so much for you to make sure you can.

[27:43] I personally not hung up on a fence on either side north or south, but we have to have

[27:49] it on the east.

[27:50] I get it on the east.

[27:51] I understand that.

[27:51] And it's there and they've also offered here not just that green space, but in the application

[27:56] we'll talk, you know, make sure you does this and they have trees in there as well, some

[27:59] staggered trees to help that buck for 10 years.

[28:02] And you guys are still good for that, right?

[28:05] You know a guy had a landscaping company, he gets a treat so I'm like, he's been at somebody.

[28:10] I'm like 12-year-old.

[28:12] I know a fence guy now that can help you.

[28:19] What he likes to play, you can get a help guy.

[28:24] Is there any noise issue with this?

[28:29] There is the moisture trucks operating, but I can't say with certainty how frequently

[28:36] these trucks move in and out of there, but for the most part, some of this equipment

[28:40] they sit weeks at the time before it's actually needed, thank goodness, can't usually meet

[28:46] the bad day for somebody, but for the most part, you know, it will be sporadic in this.

[28:53] I know they say there's going to be days where there may be constant traffic there for

[28:58] for the majority of the time it's going to be very broken up, very sporadic.

[29:03] Are the trucks diesel or most of the trucks would be mostly diesel?

[29:09] But it would probably wouldn't be significantly different than the truck traffic

[29:12] running up and down to 130.

[29:14] And there's plenty of that.

[29:15] Yeah, there's, yeah.

[29:18] Well, the last time we would, we've got to call on this, is if the,

[29:21] it's cold out in the diesel has been running for an hour, two hours, three hours

[29:25] and it's just sitting there going, going, going, going, I'm sure it's going to be okay.

[29:29] Resonances to your ears. Right. So it's not going to be sitting there

[29:31] island for three or four hours for most of the equipment that we need to be

[29:35] idling and wound up would actually still be over at the old shop

[29:38] over there. Okay. So your idle equipment will stay on the

[29:42] other phone shop. Great. Okay. I think that's a good one. Yeah.

[29:47] Thank you. The other question I have is if we don't require

[29:51] They are fencing beyond what is already supposed to be for us, and is there any other

[30:00] Does that mean that if they want to put it up, they can do it? Sure. Okay. So that's up to them. If we don't put that condition up,

[30:11] long as it uses barbed wire. And as long as that's razor wire. I mean, as long as it meets the whatever the fence limitations are, because I think the fences are typically six foot on that. So you can't put the eight foot fence up. But you know, that's

[30:31] That's a different path.

[30:35] Well, and I think that kind of makes sense given that this is designed to be your deploying equipment.

[30:42] It's not something where, yeah, you're designed to, you're idling something to work on it or something like that.

[30:50] You're getting in to get, you got to get going.

[30:55] But we do recognize that this could be even midnight 1 a.m. that you guys are having to deploy.

[31:03] But I see you guys aren't going to do any signage.

[31:07] I didn't think.

[31:12] Also just so you know, this is a seven member board.

[31:16] We are missing one tonight.

[31:17] We have six members here.

[31:19] We have to have four votes in the affirmative.

[31:22] We're a recommending body.

[31:24] We recommend to the city council.

[31:26] they will have the ultimate, say, at the next City Council meeting, and with that being said before we vote,

[31:33] we'll give you the opportunity to table it for another meeting until we maybe have a seventh member or we can go ahead and vote tonight.

[31:41] Would you like them to continue or do you want to continue? I mean, I continue to the next meeting, or would you like them to take it, make a decision tonight?

[32:08] I would move to approve a conditional use permit to allow for contractor and trade

[32:19] with indoor operations and storage,

[32:23] along with indoor operations and outdoor storage,

[32:26] including heavy vehicles use in the C2

[32:29] general commercial zoning district

[32:31] with the following conditions.

[32:35] The vehicle, the storage on site

[32:38] will not include wrecked or disabled vehicles.

[32:44] The permit would,

[32:47] the conditional use permit would expire upon transfer of the transfer or sale of the property.

[32:57] Are there any other conditions we had?

[33:00] Did you have to have the advantage?

[33:01] No, yes, this will not be used as an impound lot,

[33:09] is there anything else that we?

[33:14] You already mentioned an expired upon sale, right?

[33:17] Condition, conditional use permit would expire upon sale or transfer of the property.

[33:21] second. So just so I'm clear we have three conditions expire on sale transfer the property

[33:28] does the site will not include record sale vehicles and the site will not be used as

[33:33] an impound yard mod. You guys go with that.

[33:41] Added.

[33:49] Yes.

[33:51] Martin.

[33:52] Yes.

[33:53] Wilson.

[33:54] Yes.

[33:54] Seville.

[33:55] Yes.

[33:57] Brown.

[33:57] Yes.

[33:58] Wayward.

[33:59] Yes.

[34:01] Okay.

[34:02] There you have it.

[34:02] Next City Council meeting.

[34:05] I want to talk about that.

[34:08] Okay.

[34:09] We recommend this to the City Council and it will be brought up to the next City Council meeting.

[34:15] Thank you.

[34:15] Thank you. Thank you, gentlemen. Good job.

[34:18] You too, Stan? I'll talk to you.

[34:20] Stan, I'll be okay.

[34:24] We have any old business to discuss.

[34:30] Any new business to discuss?

[34:33] No scheduled meetings yet.

[34:35] No, new business is root for the cyclone tonight.

[34:39] For who? I'm sorry.

[34:41] I'm sorry. Who?

[34:42] So make sure you guys were your cardinal and old.

[34:45] Oh man. There's another game at 9 o'clock.

[34:51] Who's who's who's playing there?

[34:54] I guess we'll celebrate the midnight with the most like that.

[34:58] Look, unless the figures get stripped from them for all their violations, they're getting ready to get hammered.

[35:04] But you know, I don't know. I wouldn't know about that.

[35:09] It doesn't really matter for two cons going to take you.

[35:12] Oh, I'm afraid I'm afraid you're right, but I will be you come. Don't know when

[35:16] so I think I need I need airs order for my brother. I moved move to a

[35:24] June.

[35:25] Second.

[35:30] Thank you.

[35:33] Jacob.

[35:34] Yes.

[35:34] Martin.

[35:35] Yes.

[35:36] No, sir.

[35:36] Yes.

[35:37] Segal.

[35:38] Yes.

[35:39] Rowan.

[35:39] Yes.

[35:40] Wait, Rick.

[35:40] Yes.

[35:43] There we have it.

[35:44] Ladies and gentlemen, have a great one.

[35:46] We are off.

[35:46] Go out and on.

[35:47] Hey.

[35:48] Thank you very much.

Mar 28, 2024 Board of Zoning Appeals & Planning

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