[11:19] This conference will now be recorded.

[11:39] Well, good morning. Uh, thank you for

[11:41] your patience. Uh, I call to order this

[11:45] uh workshops a special city council

[11:48] meeting on this August 8th, 2026 at 9:01

[11:53] a.m. and a

[11:58] super majority

[12:00] of the council is present

[12:05] with that. Uh, if we could go to uh

[12:09] invitation and pledge. Thank you

[12:11] almighty father for your many gifts and

[12:14] your wisdom and your guidance. We pray

[12:17] that you are with us always in Jesus

[12:19] name. Amen.

[12:25] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[12:28] United States of America and to the

[12:30] republic for which it stands, one nation

[12:33] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[12:37] justice for all.

[12:39] Honor the Texas flag. I pledge

[12:42] allegiance to thee, Texas, one state

[12:45] under God, one and indivisible.

[12:58] one. Uh any speakers?

[13:01] >> No, sir.

[13:02] » No, sir.

[13:02] >> Is there anybody online?

[13:06] » All right.

[13:08] Very good. Let's go to the item four. Uh

[13:11] the fiscal year 2026 2027 proposed

[13:17] budget. The

[13:21] item 4 A we will pick up from where we

[13:25] left off. That'll be a short conclusion

[13:28] there and then go into uh the remainder

[13:31] of the items.

[13:34] One is uh debt service fund and two is

[13:38] special revenue funds and

[13:41] um Miss Lamb will do that presentation.

[13:46] >> It's page 191, guys.

[13:51] » Good morning, mayor and council. Um if

[13:54] you look at page 93

[13:56] um this is the debt service fund for um

[14:00] that's supported by property tax and um

[14:06] if you'll look at that the um

[14:09] revenues are based on um the no new

[14:12] revenue rate. Should you raise a

[14:14] different tax rate that um would change

[14:18] um for on the advorum taxes line for the

[14:21] revenues

[14:24] um the

[14:26] under the debt service requirements all

[14:28] the different bond issues or

[14:30] certificates of obligation that are um

[14:34] funded by the property tax are listed

[14:36] there with their principal interest and

[14:40] fee requirements um for the next coming

[14:43] year. This is the debt service that is

[14:46] submitted to the county when they do our

[14:49] um calculations for our debt service

[14:51] rate

[14:53] uh that you'll be talking about later uh

[14:56] in the meeting. On the following pages,

[14:59] uh there's just a summary of

[15:02] um all of them put together to show you

[15:05] the impact um of them all together. And

[15:09] then starting on page 196, you have the

[15:13] different issues listed out uh to their

[15:16] maturity. One thing I wanted to point

[15:18] out on the headings of those on p like

[15:21] page 196, this is tax supported portion.

[15:25] 60% on that uh general obligation

[15:28] refunding bond. The other 40% is funded

[15:32] by water and sewer. Um, and you'll see

[15:35] that as we move on to um the debt

[15:39] service for the water and sewer funds.

[15:42] On page 2011 is our other debt service

[15:46] fund and this is the uh fund

[15:49] [clears throat] that the water and sewer

[15:51] debt is funded. This fund actually on

[15:54] your audited financial statements will

[15:57] combine with fund two which is your

[15:59] water and sewer fund. uh because these

[16:03] um issues are not funded by the property

[16:05] tax. They are funded with water and

[16:08] sewer revenues. So you have uh in on the

[16:12] revenues you have a transfer from impact

[16:14] fees that is something that was set up

[16:18] many years ago and I don't know the

[16:21] history behind all of that but the

[16:23] impact fees for water and sewer uh

[16:26] support one of the debt issues and they

[16:28] transfer in 150,000 towards that. this

[16:32] transfer from water and sewer. Um we

[16:35] just show the portion that's actually

[16:36] being funded this year out of fund O2.

[16:41] Then one of the debt issues um type A

[16:44] and type B participate in and so they're

[16:47] they transfer in to pay this debt. They

[16:50] each transfer in 35,000

[16:53] and then this fund earns interest

[16:55] income. So that's where the funding for

[16:58] these debt issues come from. all those

[17:00] different sources. Then once again on

[17:03] the requirements, it's listing out your

[17:05] principal, interest, and your fee

[17:07] requirements for the coming year. This

[17:10] debt once again is not included in the

[17:13] property tax.

[17:15] On the next pages, you have the same you

[17:18] have the summary that shows them all

[17:20] together with their requirements and

[17:22] then the individual um to maturity and

[17:27] the percentage that they're funded.

[17:29] And just point out that um on page 207,

[17:34] this is the certificates of obligations

[17:37] uh that we did in 2022.

[17:40] The majority of this, this is what is

[17:42] reflected with the pro the projects that

[17:45] are in fund 29

[17:47] um the water and sewer piece of that

[17:50] which is 71.91%.

[17:52] So the heavy burden of this one is is on

[17:56] the water and sewer fund.

[17:59] Are there any questions on the debt

[18:01] service?

[18:06] I just have one and I'm just trying to

[18:08] understand you said for page 193. So the

[18:11] interest it's stating is interest earned

[18:12] or interest charged to us

[18:15] >> on the um top of the top of the page

[18:18] » on the um top of the top of the page

[18:18] under revenues there's interest earned

[18:20] >> but in the debt service requirement

[18:21] » but in the debt service requirement

[18:21] >> but in the debt service the it's the

[18:23] » but in the debt service the it's the

[18:23] interest payment.

[18:24] >> Okay.

[18:26] » Okay.

[18:26] Just trying to understand for the 2022

[18:28] combo tax um why are we holding on to a

[18:31] debt that's double for the interest

[18:34] charge? So like I'm looking principal

[18:36] for next year's 165 interest we're going

[18:38] to pay is 189.

[18:40] [clears throat]

[18:42] >> What page are you on?

[18:43] » What page are you on?

[18:43] >> 193

[18:44] » 193

[18:44] >> towards the bottom bottom line

[18:48] » towards the bottom bottom line

[18:48] >> under 2022 combo tax

[18:51] » under 2022 combo tax

[18:51] >> 199

[18:52] » 199

[18:52] >> 193

[18:52] » 193

[18:52] >> 193

[18:53] » 193

[18:53] >> 193 sorry

[18:56] » 193 sorry

[18:56] >> I mean the rest seem like reasonable

[18:58] » I mean the rest seem like reasonable

[18:58] interest charges if I'm reading it

[18:59] correctly but that one is more than the

[19:01] principal.

[19:04] Yeah. And

[19:04] >> we could wipe that out.

[19:06] » we could wipe that out.

[19:06] >> Part of the reason for that is the way

[19:09] » Part of the reason for that is the way

[19:09] it was issued. It it was almost a year.

[19:12] It was almost 18 months before we made

[19:14] the first interest payment. So, it's

[19:17] behind on the the amount that's

[19:20] outstanding.

[19:21] >> Would

[19:22] » Would

[19:22] >> and I can double check this number, but

[19:24] » and I can double check this number, but

[19:24] it should be correct.

[19:25] >> Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the past

[19:27] » Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at the past

[19:27] years and they're always much higher

[19:29] than the principal. I mean, with such a

[19:31] small is it not in the city's best

[19:32] interest or is it even an option to pay

[19:35] this one off just because the interest

[19:36] is so high or is that not

[19:38] >> There are call provisions. I'd have to

[19:40] » There are call provisions. I'd have to

[19:40] look them up. Um, but yes, all of these

[19:43] issues have call provisions in them.

[19:46] >> Okay. I'm just looking at the interest

[19:48] » Okay. I'm just looking at the interest

[19:48] compared to the principal and it just

[19:49] seems like something we may want to talk

[19:51] about and consider.

[19:52] >> Yeah.

[19:57] There any other question?

[20:04] Uh if there's not we can go on to the

[20:06] next item which is special revenue funds

[20:09] and those start on page 209

[20:13] 211

[20:15] actually start on page 213 with the

[20:17] parkboard fund. Heartboard fund is the

[20:21] fund that um they fund their activities

[20:24] [clears throat]

[20:24] and events um out of. This fund is

[20:30] funded by uh contributions that show up

[20:33] on the utility bill. The customers have

[20:36] the option to make donations to this

[20:39] fund. So those are shown in the park

[20:42] fund contributions.

[20:44] Then the um down at the bottom you'll

[20:46] see a matching transfer any we this

[20:50] general fund matches any donations that

[20:53] are made by the citizens. So that's

[20:55] where that is shown.

[20:57] And then the other large revenue source

[21:01] for this is the transfer from the

[21:03] general fund. the general fund. U the

[21:06] council has uh for many years had this

[21:10] $62,400

[21:12] amount that they subsidized this fund

[21:14] with.

[21:16] And then the other revenues are for the

[21:19] particular events that the um park board

[21:23] holds and these are the sponsorships and

[21:26] donations that um Katrina goes out when

[21:29] she's working the events and secures

[21:30] from the different sponsors.

[21:34] One of the new items that they requested

[21:37] in the current or in the next year's

[21:39] budget is they want to reinstate their

[21:41] rodeo uh project. So they have added

[21:45] $40,000

[21:47] at both the revenue and expenditure line

[21:49] for the rodeo.

[21:52] Um other than that there's

[21:55] very little changes um from the prior

[21:58] year.

[22:00] The in addition to this Mr. Mayor, may

[22:03] I?

[22:05] >> Um,

[22:06] » Um,

[22:06] I just have a curiosity question.

[22:08] >> They're saying they're going to have

[22:11] » They're saying they're going to have

[22:11] 40,000 in income and 40,000 in expenses

[22:13] for the rodeo. Where does the income

[22:14] come from for the rodeo?

[22:16] >> Sponsorships.

[22:17] » Sponsorships.

[22:17] >> So, they think they'll get that much

[22:18] » So, they think they'll get that much

[22:18] from sponsorships.

[22:19] >> That That's how we budget it.

[22:21] » That That's how we budget it.

[22:21] >> Okay.

[22:21] » Okay.

[22:21] >> Sometimes they go over sponsorships and

[22:24] » Sometimes they go over sponsorships and

[22:24] sometimes they don't make it. But

[22:26] vendors as well.

[22:27] >> Yeah. I'm just saying on the other

[22:29] » Yeah. I'm just saying on the other

[22:29] events, they don't really bring in that

[22:31] much. So, I'm just want I'm just curious

[22:33] why the rodeo has such a higher number

[22:35] for income.

[22:36] >> Um because it has a high number for

[22:38] » Um because it has a high number for

[22:38] expenditures. They they do the same.

[22:41] This is how they've always budgeted.

[22:43] >> Okay.

[22:43] » Okay.

[22:44] >> Because that's Katrina's goal is to go

[22:46] » Because that's Katrina's goal is to go

[22:46] out and try to raise $40,000.

[22:48] >> Okay.

[22:49] » Okay.

[22:49] >> Or, you know, for um the fireworks, you

[22:53] » Or, you know, for um the fireworks, you

[22:53] know, she raises, you know, more money.

[22:56] As you can see,

[22:59] it's not always feasible to to raise

[23:02] them, but

[23:02] >> Right.

[23:03] » Right.

[23:03] >> Yeah.

[23:04] » Yeah.

[23:04] >> Okay.

[23:04] » Okay.

[23:04] >> We have no idea how to determine who

[23:08] » We have no idea how to determine who

[23:08] will sponsor, who will not,

[23:10] >> right?

[23:10] » right?

[23:10] >> So that's why it's reflected this way.

[23:12] » So that's why it's reflected this way.

[23:12] >> Okay. And with the rodeo, I would also

[23:14] » Okay. And with the rodeo, I would also

[23:14] say that there's a third party that runs

[23:16] it and he also goes out and gets

[23:18] sponsorships and sometimes Katrina and

[23:20] him have or the city and him have worked

[23:23] a um agreement where some of the

[23:26] sponsorship goes to us as well. So it it

[23:28] will raise more money.

[23:30] >> Okay. Thank you'all. in the past.

[23:33] » Okay. Thank you'all. in the past.

[23:33] >> In addition, the park um park board did

[23:37] » In addition, the park um park board did

[23:37] request that the city add 300,000 to the

[23:41] playground project which um you all

[23:45] added in the general fund at your last

[23:48] workshop.

[23:50] >> Mayor,

[23:51] » Mayor,

[23:52] >> yeah.

[23:52] » yeah.

[23:52] >> Um so, question. Why do we continue to

[23:55] » Um so, question. Why do we continue to

[23:55] put the 62,400 in there if they've got a

[23:58] pretty healthy

[24:00] budget? It looks like they're they're

[24:02] able to cover their own costs and

[24:04] they're actually increasing on their

[24:06] ending available resources. Is that

[24:08] something we need to consider changing?

[24:11] >> It's been the custom of the council to

[24:13] » It's been the custom of the council to

[24:13] do that every year for many years. If

[24:16] this council would like to change that,

[24:17] then uh that could be part of your

[24:20] change.

[24:20] >> And I don't mind the the park board

[24:22] » And I don't mind the the park board

[24:22] having money. It just looks like they

[24:23] don't need it. So the question is why

[24:25] are we putting it there?

[24:30] I believe the previous amount was

[24:32] $57,000

[24:34] and at one point we raised it to 624.

[24:39] » Is there a budget you think is healthy

[24:40] for them to have at ending available

[24:42] resources?

[24:46] » I yeah I don't I don't know that I have

[24:49] a a real opinion on that. there are um

[24:52] there hasn't been a a situation that I

[24:55] can think of where they were in danger

[24:58] of running short or um

[25:00] >> definitely not a quarter of a million

[25:02] » definitely not a quarter of a million

[25:02] dollars.

[25:02] >> No.

[25:03] » No.

[25:03] >> Okay. So, I mean that's just something

[25:05] » Okay. So, I mean that's just something

[25:05] for us to

[25:06] >> Yeah. Or or definitely thinking about

[25:08] » Yeah. Or or definitely thinking about

[25:08] maybe reducing that number to

[25:10] >> or maybe just removing it just for this

[25:11] » or maybe just removing it just for this

[25:11] year. I mean

[25:11] >> I would remove it completely. The first

[25:13] » I would remove it completely. The first

[25:13] thing I would do is maybe

[25:14] [clears throat] reduce and then if it's

[25:15] still not used then remove. Okay. But

[25:18] >> I think the reason reason she might be,

[25:19] » I think the reason reason she might be,

[25:20] not to put words in your mouth, but

[25:21] because they have $260,000

[25:23] available at the end of the year.

[25:26] >> So if you if you took it out completely,

[25:27] » So if you if you took it out completely,

[25:27] they'd still have $200,000 left over.

[25:31] I think is maybe is that

[25:33] >> that is what I was saying. I was just

[25:34] » that is what I was saying. I was just

[25:34] saying that's what Oh, sorry. I'm not

[25:35] sure why it's doing that.

[25:37] >> Um [clears throat] even if we only

[25:39] » Um [clears throat] even if we only

[25:39] removed it for the year, they would

[25:40] still have a very healthy budget was all

[25:43] I was saying. But I even just reducing I

[25:45] just don't

[25:47] from what they've spent and from their

[25:49] history, it just doesn't look like they

[25:51] need a quarter of a million dollar,

[25:53] >> right?

[25:55] » right?

[25:55] >> Maybe reduce it by half. Like just

[25:57] » Maybe reduce it by half. Like just

[25:57] because if I do agree, I think it was 57

[26:00] before and I'm I don't know the history

[26:01] of why that has always been the case,

[26:03] but

[26:04] >> I might make the suggestion. Uh I hear

[26:07] » I might make the suggestion. Uh I hear

[26:07] what you're saying.

[26:09] uh this transfer

[26:11] from general fund being 62,400

[26:15] and

[26:17] with the total revenue at 161450

[26:21] and total expenditures estimated at

[26:24] 151250

[26:26] for this budget to balance out and

[26:29] reduce that uh it would be lower that

[26:33] 62400

[26:35] to maybe 52400

[26:37] decrease it by 10,000 And that's the

[26:39] diff that's approximate number. I had to

[26:41] get my calculator, but that's the

[26:43] approximate difference between

[26:46] uh this year's uh proposed revenue

[26:49] versus expenditures.

[26:52] And the uh your this quarter of a

[26:55] million, you're looking at the total

[26:56] ending resources. Those are carry over

[26:59] from year to year to year that uh it's a

[27:02] a reserve that uh they have in this park

[27:05] board fund

[27:06] >> just as we do in our general fund.

[27:08] » just as we do in our general fund.

[27:08] >> Understood. And it's just talking about

[27:10] » Understood. And it's just talking about

[27:10] do they really need a quarter of a

[27:11] million dollars of reserves or even

[27:13] 200,000. I mean I'm just saying we

[27:15] should talk about it if if we feel

[27:18] >> time talk about

[27:19] » time talk about

[27:19] >> Yeah. Now that I see kind of what you

[27:20] » Yeah. Now that I see kind of what you

[27:20] said with the total revenue and the

[27:21] total expenditures, you wouldn't want to

[27:24] >> go less on the revenue than what they're

[27:26] » go less on the revenue than what they're

[27:26] going to expend. Even though there is

[27:27] that reserve,

[27:29] I think it would be good practice to

[27:32] keep it balanced.

[27:34] >> Well, let's see what that difference

[27:36] » Well, let's see what that difference

[27:36] actual difference would be. So 161

[27:40] >> 10,200.

[27:41] » 10,200.

[27:42] >> How much?

[27:42] » How much?

[27:42] >> 10,200.

[27:43] » 10,200.

[27:44] >> $10,200.

[27:46] » $10,200.

[27:46] So if you decrease that uh revenue the

[27:49] match

[27:51] uh how much does that take that to that

[27:53] 52,212

[27:57] » 522

[27:59] >> that's a good start for sure and then we

[28:01] » that's a good start for sure and then we

[28:01] can look at it maybe doing more next

[28:03] year.

[28:04] >> Well also you don't want to cut too far

[28:06] » Well also you don't want to cut too far

[28:06] this year but since they're adding

[28:07] another new big event you want to see

[28:09] how that kind of plays out maybe. So I

[28:11] think a little decrease is fine. I just

[28:14] think something definitely we keep an

[28:15] eye on as we go next year.

[28:19] >> Marcy,

[28:20] » Marcy,

[28:20] uh [clears throat]

[28:22] uh when we get new houses in that know

[28:25] we were talking about last week with

[28:26] that sweet grass that $1,000 that every

[28:28] house gets built goes into the goes

[28:31] towards the fund 15. Is that is that one

[28:34] of these line items? Because once all

[28:35] the houses are being built then they

[28:37] won't be getting all that extra money

[28:39] from all these new houses. So the parks

[28:41] board their budget if I'm correcting

[28:44] right should be going I mean they

[28:46] wouldn't be getting a lot of money and

[28:47] so they won't be having all this extra

[28:48] money in there. Correct.

[28:50] >> This this fun

[28:52] » This this fun

[28:52] >> this fund is separate from fund 15. Oh

[28:54] » this fund is separate from fund 15. Oh

[28:54] okay. So

[28:55] >> yeah. Um and prior to our boon and

[28:59] » yeah. Um and prior to our boon and

[29:00] building fund 15 was very small. So

[29:04] you're correct. It's it's going to go

[29:06] back down.

[29:06] >> So this is so this is

[29:07] » So this is so this is

[29:07] >> it's not going to affect this fun.

[29:09] » it's not going to affect this fun.

[29:09] >> Oh okay. Okay.

[29:10] » Oh okay. Okay.

[29:10] >> This park fund contribution is from the

[29:13] » This park fund contribution is from the

[29:13] water bill like where they can opt. Is

[29:15] that where

[29:15] >> they get water bill and then the general

[29:18] » they get water bill and then the general

[29:18] fund matches that?

[29:19] >> Okay.

[29:20] » Okay.

[29:20] >> And then they have the 624.

[29:22] » And then they have the 624.

[29:22] >> Okay. So in that park fund contribution

[29:24] » Okay. So in that park fund contribution

[29:24] we're matching.

[29:26] >> Yes. If you see park fund contributions

[29:28] » Yes. If you see park fund contributions

[29:28] of 15 and then down at towards the end

[29:32] >> uh matching transfer general fund. Okay.

[29:35] » uh matching transfer general fund. Okay.

[29:35] Is 15.

[29:37] >> Okay.

[29:40] So, did you get that we were going to

[29:42] reduce the transfer from general fund to

[29:45] 52,200?

[29:46] Yes. Moving forward. Okay.

[29:50] >> And I just want to note just for anyone

[29:53] » And I just want to note just for anyone

[29:53] watching, that's not us trying to slash

[29:54] park uh board funding. That's just

[29:57] looking at the accounts. Um if the park

[29:59] board needs more money, we are we're not

[30:02] saying no. We're just adjusting to their

[30:04] current almost quarter million available

[30:07] resources.

[30:14] Are there any other questions on

[30:18] Okay.

[30:20] Uh the next one is impact fees

[30:26] and that's on page 223.

[30:31] Um once again this is this is going to

[30:34] be driven by um the development that we

[30:36] have going on. So the revenues for this

[30:39] fund are the water and sewer impact fees

[30:42] and then interest income. Uh interest

[30:45] income obviously would um go down as

[30:49] these um this balance goes down. Um and

[30:55] Mike can probably tell us more about

[30:57] what impact fees can be used for. But um

[31:01] in looking at next year's budget um what

[31:05] we've what we've seen here is a transfer

[31:07] as I mentioned before on the debt

[31:09] service that the impact fees transfer to

[31:12] the debt service fund. So that's that

[31:14] $150,000

[31:16] transfer that you see. And then what we

[31:20] have budgeted in here for project

[31:22] expenditures

[31:24] in the current year

[31:26] that 965,000

[31:28] for FM156 Blue Mountain Road 16in water

[31:32] line lowering that is a current uh

[31:36] project and so if it's not completed or

[31:41] not began in this year it'll carry

[31:43] forward. the water system master plan,

[31:47] $5,000 is budgeted for next year. And

[31:50] then in the sewer

[31:53] uh section, the impact program update

[31:56] for 20,000 and the sewer system master

[31:59] plan for 425

[32:01] and those were um on the recommendation

[32:05] of Mr. Anderson.

[32:08] the impact fees. Uh if you'll look at

[32:11] that graph on the screen,

[32:16] this is the historicals

[32:19] u buildout

[32:22] since uh 20 or 17 fiscal year 1718

[32:26] starting on the very far left and up to

[32:30] this last fiscal year or this fiscal

[32:32] year 2526.

[32:36] this uh

[32:39] year we expect a build out of

[32:42] approximately 82 homes.

[32:45] That's why you see and that correlates

[32:47] these impact fees correlate directly

[32:50] with that construction. Now what's not

[32:53] reflected in here is

[32:58] uh commercial. We we the

[33:02] residential permits or the residential

[33:05] construction is uh very well predicted.

[33:09] The developers have that down to a

[33:11] science

[33:13] and the these numbers is where we get

[33:16] that from. and also we track the permits

[33:19] uh compared to what they forecasted.

[33:23] What we don't have in here uh in the

[33:26] impact fee revenue here is any large

[33:30] warehouse any commercial endeavor that

[33:32] may come that is uh not predictable. So

[33:37] it would be to a benefit if a commercial

[33:40] a large warehouse comes in they pay

[33:42] their impact fees

[33:45] that will give more revenue than what

[33:47] we're estimating.

[33:48] >> It would not be beneficial if a large

[33:50] » It would not be beneficial if a large

[33:50] warehouse comes in.

[33:51] >> Sorry.

[33:51] » Sorry.

[33:51] >> It would not be beneficial if a large

[33:53] » It would not be beneficial if a large

[33:53] warehouse comes in.

[33:56] We [clears throat] have said over and

[33:57] over and over and the citizens have said

[33:59] it as well. We do not want any more

[34:00] warehouses.

[34:01] >> The master land use plan which I know is

[34:04] » The master land use plan which I know is

[34:04] going into review. A bulk of that, you

[34:07] know, probably

[34:10] 25% of the city on the north side

[34:15] is zoned or is industrial.

[34:19] It is industrial. That is the market

[34:22] demand for uh Hasslet, Texas.

[34:27] It's it would be nice, you know, but

[34:30] there you and you need to the

[34:35] logistics industry, the warehousing

[34:38] industry,

[34:39] uh those commercial facilities, they're

[34:42] they're not particularly evil. There is

[34:45] an upside and yes, there's a downside

[34:48] when you get a large warehouse. And I'll

[34:50] just take a minute here. I'm not trying

[34:52] to divert.

[34:53] >> Yeah, I'd like to get back on the

[34:54] » Yeah, I'd like to get back on the

[34:54] agenda.

[34:54] >> Yes. But when make when you make a

[34:56] » Yes. But when make when you make a

[34:56] comment in public that warehousing we

[35:00] don't want anymore that we need to step

[35:02] back and understand what that means to

[35:05] the city is that

[35:08] uh a large warehouse say a 500,000 foot

[35:11] warehouse or even a million square foot

[35:14] warehouse uh

[35:17] that is one large facility. There are

[35:21] proportionally if you had a million

[35:23] square foot or residential

[35:26] um home sites that uh I worked that

[35:30] number up but I think that might be

[35:32] maybe 150 homes. U is that

[35:38] 150 homes

[35:41] those are 150 points of failure for

[35:43] water and sewer that public works has to

[35:46] maintain. For a large warehouse, there

[35:49] might be three connection points in the

[35:51] entire facility versus 150. So the

[35:55] upside is there a relatively smaller

[35:59] line serving that large million square

[36:02] foot facility

[36:04] and less maintenance required

[36:09] from the public works side of the world

[36:12] to maintain that. Also with a large

[36:15] warehouse depending on the operation

[36:18] with all any of them is you get a what

[36:21] is called personal property tax besides

[36:26] the avalorum property tax. So the

[36:29] personal property tax um such as uh well

[36:35] a large ware million square foot

[36:36] warehouse I think one of the recent ones

[36:39] that have been uh that will be built

[36:41] here is uh the personal property tax in

[36:46] addition to that alarm but the personal

[36:48] property tax yields the equivalent

[36:52] equivalent if you had to generate that

[36:54] taxable sale from a retail facility that

[36:56] retail facility would have to generate

[36:59] over $77 million a year.

[37:02] So there is an upside to warehousing. We

[37:06] just need to recognize it. Yeah. But

[37:08] what come what's the downside?

[37:11] We get a lot of cut uh cross through

[37:13] traffic in the city of Hassa, Texas and

[37:16] the large vehicles.

[37:19] That's the downside.

[37:20] >> Okay. I had a question on um the Lata

[37:23] » Okay. I had a question on um the Lata

[37:23] water impact fee grant. So that's

[37:24] completed and that will be removed next

[37:26] year. I was looking back at last year's

[37:28] budget with their buildout. So that's

[37:31] that's done.

[37:38] » Okay, perfect.

[37:39] >> And then also on

[37:42] » And then also on

[37:42] >> Okay, perfect. Um and then also on the

[37:44] » Okay, perfect. Um and then also on the

[37:44] water impact fees and the sewer impact

[37:46] fees, that's it's a pretty significant

[37:49] um reduction. Is that just something

[37:52] that

[37:54] can Can you explain the the from the 4

[37:56] 368 512 368 490 now to 96?

[38:01] >> I'll let Oh, sorry. I'll let the mayor

[38:04] » I'll let Oh, sorry. I'll let the mayor

[38:04] answer that. He's he's um looking at the

[38:06] production schedule from the builders

[38:08] and he may want to

[38:10] >> that's just a prediction on what

[38:12] » that's just a prediction on what

[38:12] >> so your question again is that why is it

[38:16] » so your question again is that why is it

[38:16] reduced from 490,000 to 96,000

[38:20] >> and then below with the 450 to 186

[38:22] » and then below with the 450 to 186

[38:22] >> the for each residential lot there is a

[38:26] » the for each residential lot there is a

[38:26] set impact fee

[38:29] >> and it's I think is a nominal nominal

[38:33] » and it's I think is a nominal nominal

[38:33] $2,000 for water, nominal 2,000 for

[38:36] sewer. Well, actually there's more

[38:39] difference than that. It's almost twice.

[38:43] It [clears throat] is almost twice. Uh I

[38:45] >> almost twice done or almost twice the

[38:47] » almost twice done or almost twice the

[38:47] amount.

[38:47] >> The sewer impact fee is almost twice of

[38:51] » The sewer impact fee is almost twice of

[38:51] what the water impact is double.

[38:53] >> Yes.

[38:54] » Yes.

[38:54] >> Okay. Okay. Double. Okay.

[38:55] » Okay. Okay. Double. Okay.

[38:55] >> So that's why you see that numerical

[38:57] » So that's why you see that numerical

[38:58] difference between the two. But that is

[39:01] based on I believe a standard with 3/4

[39:04] inch line on water. And

[39:12] so with that we just take those numbers.

[39:15] We take our projections which we get

[39:18] from the developers

[39:20] and multiply those number of expected

[39:23] they call it takedown the number of

[39:26] takedowns for the coming year.

[39:30] and multiply it and how that's how that

[39:32] number is generated.

[39:33] >> Okay. Thank you,

[39:36] » Okay. Thank you,

[39:36] >> Mr. Mayor.

[39:37] » Mr. Mayor.

[39:37] >> Yes.

[39:38] » Yes.

[39:38] >> Um, is there any way we could I know

[39:40] » Um, is there any way we could I know

[39:40] this is not the place, but these bring

[39:43] up the issues. Is there any way we could

[39:44] have a workshop at some point where we

[39:48] look out five years? Because we've had

[39:51] this bell curve of

[39:54] of

[39:55] development and we know that the number

[39:58] of houses being built every year is

[39:59] going down,

[40:01] for example. And so our budget is going

[40:04] to look very different in 5 years than

[40:06] it does right now.

[40:07] >> And I think if we're not preparing now

[40:09] » And I think if we're not preparing now

[40:09] for then, it's going to be a really

[40:11] harsh reality for when we get there. And

[40:13] I think it'd be very good for us as a

[40:15] council um to create a soft landing

[40:19] instead of a hard crash down the road.

[40:22] Um so if there's any way we could put

[40:24] together a workshop where we could

[40:25] project out five years and and talk

[40:27] about, you know, what are the

[40:29] possibilities, what do we need to

[40:30] prepare for, what might could we

[40:32] accomplish in the next 5 years? I think

[40:34] that'd be very beneficial for the city

[40:35] of Hlet.

[40:35] >> We can do that. We will do that. Uh just

[40:38] » We can do that. We will do that. Uh just

[40:38] to answer your question, um 2627

[40:43] we uh expect approximately 80 something

[40:47] homes to be built and the remainder 60

[40:53] plus homes would be finished out in 2728

[40:57] and then it's done. Single family

[41:00] residential construction is done. new

[41:03] construction.

[41:04] >> But

[41:05] » But

[41:05] >> so 2728 at the end of that is when that

[41:09] » so 2728 at the end of that is when that

[41:09] is expected to

[41:11] come. But the positive side of that is,

[41:15] you know, when a new home is built and

[41:21] it gets occupied, it can take as much as

[41:25] two years before the city sees any

[41:29] property tax revenue.

[41:32] Depends on when it goes on the books at

[41:34] the appraisal district.

[41:37] So it can take up to two years

[41:40] but so uh for I'll say a nominal two

[41:45] years after 2728

[41:48] you'll see that additional property tax

[41:50] revenue increase.

[41:54] >> Is that including the land just north of

[41:57] » Is that including the land just north of

[41:57] Oldtown here that is also zoned

[41:58] residential?

[42:01] The number of houses you're saying are

[42:02] left to be built.

[42:03] >> No, I think it's only on those current

[42:05] » No, I think it's only on those current

[42:05] subdivisions. the the current

[42:06] subdivision.

[42:07] >> Okay. Because I know that piece of land

[42:08] » Okay. Because I know that piece of land

[42:08] is zoned residential as well.

[42:10] >> That that does not include that because

[42:13] » That that does not include that because

[42:13] no developer or anyone in fact uh uh has

[42:18] inquired to do anything there.

[42:21] >> Thank you.

[42:21] » Thank you.

[42:21] >> Are you talking about the land west of

[42:23] » Are you talking about the land west of

[42:23] BNSF?

[42:24] >> No,

[42:24] » No,

[42:24] >> just right here on this side of the

[42:25] » just right here on this side of the

[42:25] tracks

[42:27] >> just north of just north street

[42:29] » just north of just north street

[42:29] >> and take a right. That field is res is

[42:31] » and take a right. That field is res is

[42:31] zoned residential. So to a few comments

[42:34] to you and you as well, Chris, whe

[42:36] whether he brings it or not, I I had

[42:38] actually already spoke to Tanya about

[42:39] this part of the strategic plan. Most

[42:41] cities have a five and a 10year budget.

[42:44] So as we get into the strategic plan,

[42:46] it's going to take them time to put

[42:48] together a five and 10ear financial

[42:50] plan. Um but that is something that I

[42:52] intend to bring forward if we don't get

[42:54] started on it anyways because the city

[42:56] needs it. There's no way we can plan for

[42:58] this infrastructure accurately with just

[43:01] this sheet. I mean, this is great, Mike.

[43:03] I think you've done a fantastic job, but

[43:05] we need to plug this in and kind of see

[43:06] the projection of money and potential

[43:08] tax rates when we need to go for a

[43:12] significant tax increase or a bond. We

[43:14] can't see that on this. Um, so

[43:18] >> I would like to make a comment to that

[43:20] » I would like to make a comment to that

[43:20] as these capital projects and water and

[43:23] sewer take into account all this

[43:26] finished out residential. I I understand

[43:29] >> and the population and projected

[43:32] » and the population and projected

[43:32] businesses that would come in many

[43:34] years.

[43:34] >> I understand. But for residents and for

[43:37] » I understand. But for residents and for

[43:37] the council to fully understand what's

[43:39] going to happen over the next five and

[43:40] again 10 years, we need to see a full

[43:43] budget projection, which most cities

[43:45] have. I did want to ask a question

[43:47] though, going back to today's agenda.

[43:48] The water impact fee, you said it was

[43:51] 2,000 per house being developed. Well,

[43:54] and then you said that we're going to

[43:56] build 80 houses this year. Well, your

[43:58] projection shows only 48 houses

[44:00] approximately paying that water impact

[44:02] fee.

[44:03] >> No, I said nominal. I I can pull up the,

[44:06] » No, I said nominal. I I can pull up the,

[44:06] you know, all the calculations that I

[44:08] did [clears throat] and I'll furnish

[44:10] that to you.

[44:12] >> I'm just I'm just asking. So, is it not

[44:14] » I'm just I'm just asking. So, is it not

[44:14] $2,000?

[44:16] >> I don't know the exact number.

[44:18] » I don't know the exact number.

[44:18] >> Okay. I just want to make sure

[44:19] » Okay. I just want to make sure

[44:19] >> I don't recall the exact number. I do

[44:21] » I don't recall the exact number. I do

[44:21] know what the number is and I I've used

[44:23] it, but to recall the exact number

[44:26] >> No, you're fine. didn't I'm just going

[44:27] » No, you're fine. didn't I'm just going

[44:27] off of what you said.

[44:28] >> Nominal. Yes.

[44:29] » Nominal. Yes.

[44:30] >> Okay.

[44:32] » Okay.

[44:32] If we can just double check those

[44:33] numbers because if we're building 80

[44:34] houses this year

[44:37] um and we haven't received the water

[44:38] impact fees yet, I'm just a little

[44:40] surprised at that significant decrease.

[44:42] I would expect a decrease but that that

[44:45] large I would see I would expect more of

[44:48] a step down. Well, I I'll send all of

[44:51] you that uh the water and sewer impact

[44:54] fees

[44:55] >> that have been applied.

[44:56] » that have been applied.

[44:56] >> Yeah, cuz Tanya Wait, question.

[44:57] » Yeah, cuz Tanya Wait, question.

[44:57] >> I mean, sorry, not Tanya, Jasmine.

[44:59] » I mean, sorry, not Tanya, Jasmine.

[44:59] >> Yeah.

[44:59] » Yeah.

[44:59] >> Yeah, cuz you're saying if

[45:01] » Yeah, cuz you're saying if

[45:01] >> 162 down to 181, this number 490 should

[45:04] » 162 down to 181, this number 490 should

[45:04] be half, not a quarter.

[45:05] >> That that is actually what I was about

[45:07] » That that is actually what I was about

[45:07] to say. If we did 162 last year at 490,

[45:10] we're almost expecting it to drop in

[45:12] half. Like you said, we should be at

[45:14] about 245.

[45:16] We

[45:16] >> We'll check those numbers and I'll send

[45:17] » We'll check those numbers and I'll send

[45:17] them to you.

[45:19] Okay. And same with sewer impact.

[45:21] >> Yes, both both impacts.

[45:23] » Yes, both both impacts.

[45:24] >> Okay.

[45:39] » Any other questions?

[45:44] » Okay. The the next special revenue fund

[45:46] is fund three um on page 229. This is

[45:50] for type B

[45:53] and um they have made quite a few

[45:56] changes in their budget. They um

[46:00] had a workshop and worked on this I

[46:03] think for a couple of meetings. Um

[46:07] starting off with the revenues

[46:10] um their major revenue is um sales tax

[46:14] and interest income.

[46:17] Um on the transfers out as I mentioned

[46:20] earlier they um transfer to fund a

[46:24] portion of the debt there 35,000

[46:27] on the transfer to the general fund.

[46:30] They if you'll look on page

[46:34] um

[46:37] 255.

[46:41] Um they

[46:44] they've transferred historically

[46:47] um an amount that's 212 well partially

[46:51] 21290 which was part for um just

[46:56] covering expenses of the general fund.

[46:58] So, um,

[47:01] >> you say 255

[47:02] » you say 255

[47:02] >> kind of like 233 25.

[47:04] » kind of like 233 25.

[47:04] >> Well, it's two Yeah. I'm not sure why

[47:06] » Well, it's two Yeah. I'm not sure why

[47:06] there's two different numbers. I think

[47:08] they must have put page numbers on what

[47:10] they gave me.

[47:11] >> I gota

[47:12] » I gota

[47:12] >> um

[47:14] » um

[47:14] but the count 03596100

[47:18] 0.

[47:19] So the um 21290

[47:23] historically has been the um 68.90 that

[47:27] they transfer in to fund some of the

[47:29] general fund expenditures and then the

[47:32] EDC coordinator third of that. So they

[47:36] have added um reimbursing the city for a

[47:40] portion of the um metroport chamber dues

[47:44] and then they've also added um a third

[47:47] of the economic development director.

[47:50] They're um I believe proposing to have u

[47:55] rehire a director. So that's why that uh

[47:59] transfer amount has gone up.

[48:01] >> May I ask a quick question, Mr. Mayor?

[48:03] » May I ask a quick question, Mr. Mayor?

[48:04] Yes. Um, so since EDC has the 13,200

[48:08] right here for the Metropport Chamber

[48:10] fees, can we already mark that out on

[48:13] our general budget or No,

[48:15] >> we we have to have it budgeted as

[48:17] » we we have to have it budgeted as

[48:18] expenditure and then we'll budget it as

[48:19] a transfer. It'll it'll wash.

[48:21] >> It'll wash.

[48:22] » It'll wash.

[48:22] >> Yeah.

[48:22] » Yeah.

[48:22] >> Okay. Thank you.

[48:23] » Okay. Thank you.

[48:23] >> Yes.

[48:24] » Yes.

[48:24] >> Who is I'm sorry, Mayor.

[48:27] » Who is I'm sorry, Mayor.

[48:27] >> Yes, ma'am.

[48:28] » Yes, ma'am.

[48:28] >> Um, Marcy, who is their coordinator?

[48:31] » Um, Marcy, who is their coordinator?

[48:32] >> That's Morris Swanky. Oh, okay. So, that

[48:34] » That's Morris Swanky. Oh, okay. So, that

[48:34] that's that one. Is there a way we can

[48:37] add also a note there like we did on the

[48:38] other line saying that that's with that

[48:41] that agreement with that company? I just

[48:42] think it's more clear than saying

[48:45] >> we've hired someone in the city. And

[48:47] » we've hired someone in the city. And

[48:47] then for the economic development

[48:49] director, is this one-third brought up

[48:52] to match what we

[48:56] >> that I have? No. uh because the number

[48:59] » that I have? No. uh because the number

[48:59] that we budgeted we didn't we didn't

[49:03] specify what was salary what was

[49:04] expenditures we just budgeted a total

[49:06] amount

[49:08] >> I also would point out that type A has

[49:10] » I also would point out that type A has

[49:10] not made the same budget um

[49:15] for a third so there'll be some things

[49:18] to work out if they decide to add that

[49:20] position

[49:21] >> okay so if yeah so if and I think we all

[49:24] » okay so if yeah so if and I think we all

[49:24] said we wanting to so what do we need to

[49:26] iron out to make sure that the funs are

[49:28] there to hire this position?

[49:30] >> Um,

[49:30] » Um,

[49:30] >> we can't put it in their budget or

[49:32] » we can't put it in their budget or

[49:32] change their amount in their budget, can

[49:33] we?

[49:34] >> No,

[49:34] » No,

[49:34] >> we can only remove

[49:35] » we can only remove

[49:36] >> B can change their budget.

[49:37] » B can change their budget.

[49:37] >> We can only remove if we don't agree.

[49:39] » We can only remove if we don't agree.

[49:39] >> They they can propose an amendment and

[49:41] » They they can propose an amendment and

[49:41] then

[49:41] >> and you approve it.

[49:42] » and you approve it.

[49:42] >> And then you approve it.

[49:43] » And then you approve it.

[49:43] >> Just approve the amendment.

[49:45] » Just approve the amendment.

[49:45] >> Okay. So, council, how do you guys want

[49:47] » Okay. So, council, how do you guys want

[49:47] to approach that?

[49:47] >> And same thing with A.

[49:49] » And same thing with A.

[49:49] >> You what?

[49:50] » You what?

[49:50] >> Same thing with A as well. Do we think A

[49:52] » Same thing with A as well. Do we think A

[49:52] is

[49:52] >> A would need I mean if if the assumption

[49:55] » A would need I mean if if the assumption

[49:55] is that A is going to pay a third they

[49:57] have not made the same budget.

[50:00] >> Yeah. Theirs is a lot lower. It's

[50:01] » Yeah. Theirs is a lot lower. It's

[50:01] 14,000.

[50:02] >> Yeah.

[50:03] » Yeah.

[50:03] >> The 14,000 is for Shrinky.

[50:05] » The 14,000 is for Shrinky.

[50:05] >> Yeah. The 14,000

[50:06] » Yeah. The 14,000

[50:06] >> we have to do a 51,000 for the EDC

[50:08] » we have to do a 51,000 for the EDC

[50:08] coordinator which is a different

[50:09] position.

[50:10] >> Can you remind me what we put in on RN

[50:12] » Can you remind me what we put in on RN

[50:12] core?

[50:13] >> I think we put in um

[50:16] » I think we put in um

[50:16] 125,000. Hang on one second.

[50:19] >> 125,000 total. So we we do need to I

[50:21] » 125,000 total. So we we do need to I

[50:21] think specify and break that apart, but

[50:23] it looks like since we don't have type A

[50:26] agreeing, I almost think we we either

[50:29] need to plan to split with B or

[50:31] something because if not, we're not

[50:33] going to have this set up right to hire

[50:34] the position.

[50:34] >> Yeah, splitting would be a good idea to

[50:36] » Yeah, splitting would be a good idea to

[50:36] start and then going to A and see if

[50:38] what they would be willing to

[50:41] >> contribute.

[50:42] » contribute.

[50:42] >> I think the hard thing with A is they

[50:43] » I think the hard thing with A is they

[50:43] meet very they don't meet very frequent.

[50:46] I mean like they're like every quarter

[50:48] and then you know us and

[50:50] >> uh type B meet every month and then when

[50:53] » uh type B meet every month and then when

[50:53] they only meet every quarter I mean I

[50:54] don't know when's their next meeting is.

[50:56] So it's kind of like you know I know

[50:57] they did probably did their budget a

[50:58] good while back because their meetings

[51:00] are so

[51:01] >> spread out. So that's something we need

[51:03] » spread out. So that's something we need

[51:03] to talk with them about or either split

[51:05] it 7575 with um or whatever the number

[51:09] is um with me.

[51:11] >> I'm going back I'm sorry. What page is

[51:13] » I'm going back I'm sorry. What page is

[51:13] the What page did we put the economic

[51:16] development? Where was it?

[51:19] >> We created a new department.

[51:21] » We created a new department.

[51:21] >> Oh, yes. I see.

[51:22] » Oh, yes. I see.

[51:22] >> And so I've added it onto the general

[51:25] » And so I've added it onto the general

[51:25] fund summary. You should have

[51:27] >> a summary on your

[51:30] » a summary on your

[51:30] >> Do you remember how much we said we

[51:31] » Do you remember how much we said we

[51:31] wanted to pay him versus his or per them

[51:34] versus their budget? I don't I just

[51:37] remember we talked about a salary and

[51:39] some startup expenses, but I didn't have

[51:41] in my notes.

[51:42] >> I think we we

[51:44] » I think we we

[51:44] >> I didn't either. I'm looking at my

[51:46] » I didn't either. I'm looking at my

[51:46] notes. Um

[51:49] >> and I don't either.

[51:50] » and I don't either.

[51:50] >> I have 82 or 85,000 that was thinking it

[51:55] » I have 82 or 85,000 that was thinking it

[51:55] was being split though and 42,000

[51:58] for I don't know. We We need to fix this

[52:01] real quick because this is going to end

[52:02] up causing a problem for us.

[52:04] >> Excuse me. So you're

[52:07] » Excuse me. So you're

[52:07] you're looking at type B right now. Yes.

[52:10] Your budget

[52:11] >> and versus how it speaks to ours what

[52:14] » and versus how it speaks to ours what

[52:14] they have versus what we have in the

[52:16] fact that type A did not contribute. So

[52:18] this is a problem in the budget across

[52:19] three different places.

[52:20] >> The uh so it's typically it always has

[52:24] » The uh so it's typically it always has

[52:24] been a third of it from each.

[52:26] >> I understand but we don't have

[52:28] » I understand but we don't have

[52:28] concurrence from A that they would do

[52:30] that. So that means we have to plan as

[52:32] if A is not going to agree otherwise we

[52:34] wouldn't have the funds to make this

[52:35] position possible this year.

[52:37] >> So uh on I think you mentioned earlier

[52:40] » So uh on I think you mentioned earlier

[52:40] to put in B's budget to make it explicit

[52:46] this coordinator is

[52:48] >> Bureitos.

[52:50] » Bureitos.

[52:50] >> I would not do that. In fact you can't

[52:52] » I would not do that. In fact you can't

[52:52] do that to their budget. They had to

[52:54] make that change. We can make it make a

[52:57] note and make a suggestion

[52:58] >> but if you put a company specific in

[53:02] » but if you put a company specific in

[53:02] that budget line item. Guess what? You

[53:05] can only spend it. It is not set in

[53:07] stone that it's going to always be

[53:09] bureau veritos.

[53:11] >> Marcy,

[53:12] » Marcy,

[53:12] >> so it is a CD uh an economic development

[53:15] » so it is a CD uh an economic development

[53:15] coordinator.

[53:16] >> Marcy, for the description, how can we

[53:19] » Marcy, for the description, how can we

[53:20] clarify that better?

[53:22] >> Um well, so I have a question. If

[53:25] » Um well, so I have a question. If

[53:25] they're going to hire their own, they

[53:28] may not need this 144

[53:30] Are they hiring there?

[53:34] » It would be for the city, but again, it

[53:36] would be the split.

[53:39] >> My understanding is that since

[53:40] » My understanding is that since

[53:40] Veraritoss is more of a planning

[53:42] organization than a development

[53:43] organization,

[53:45] >> the 144 is staying in there to keep the

[53:47] » the 144 is staying in there to keep the

[53:47] planner part.

[53:48] >> Okay.

[53:49] » Okay.

[53:49] >> And they're hiring we're hiring a new

[53:51] » And they're hiring we're hiring a new

[53:51] position for economic development

[53:52] coordinator that is only going to focus

[53:54] on

[53:55] >> de like building the business community

[53:57] » de like building the business community

[53:57] in town. and it's going to be a a city

[54:01] staff person.

[54:02] >> Okay.

[54:02] » Okay.

[54:02] >> So, that's why there needed to be two

[54:04] » So, that's why there needed to be two

[54:04] lines.

[54:04] >> It their line just needs to match our

[54:06] » It their line just needs to match our

[54:06] line because they're paying a third of

[54:07] it. So, whatever description we updated

[54:09] to, it should correlate to speak to the

[54:11] residents. That's not us directing them.

[54:13] I I can't remember what we decided

[54:15] [clears throat] the terminology was at

[54:16] the last meeting, but we we said to

[54:18] update the description, and if they're

[54:20] matching that third, why would the

[54:22] description not be able to match?

[54:25] Um, well, I think what he's saying is it

[54:27] can match to say EDC coordinator, but it

[54:30] wouldn't necessarily match.

[54:32] >> Could we just state bureau verat

[54:33] » Could we just state bureau verat

[54:33] contract with city or it doesn't have to

[54:35] even say the company, but we need to

[54:37] specify a little bit more because this

[54:39] looks like we could be hiring someone

[54:40] for this city

[54:42] >> in my opinion.

[54:43] » in my opinion.

[54:43] >> I would have put the word contract,

[54:45] » I would have put the word contract,

[54:45] >> EDC coordinator, one-third contract,

[54:47] » EDC coordinator, one-third contract,

[54:47] something like that.

[54:49] >> It just cleans it up.

[54:51] » It just cleans it up.

[54:51] >> Okay. I know the may I know the mayor

[54:53] » Okay. I know the may I know the mayor

[54:53] said a while ago that typically it's

[54:55] always been it's third and a third and

[54:57] third between A and B and council or A

[54:59] and B and the city.

[55:00] >> Um but I don't know does A know even

[55:03] » Um but I don't know does A know even

[55:03] know about this that we're wanting to do

[55:05] this or not?

[55:06] >> No. Oh well the third third has always

[55:10] » No. Oh well the third third has always

[55:10] been done that way.

[55:10] >> Well but does this does type A know

[55:12] » Well but does this does type A know

[55:12] about this economic developer? Because

[55:14] if they did they would have probably put

[55:15] on their budget. So that makes me think

[55:17] they didn't know about it.

[55:19] I believe they passed their budget

[55:20] before this.

[55:21] >> Very well. So,

[55:23] » Very well. So,

[55:23] >> but the other aspect in looking at this

[55:25] » but the other aspect in looking at this

[55:25] is okay, we do a third, a third, a third

[55:29] and I observe that uh

[55:33] uh type B consumes probably

[55:39] 80%

[55:41] of that manpower

[55:44] and everybody else is. So to look at B a

[55:47] separate corporation

[55:50] to ask them to pay

[55:53] the same amount B should be paying a

[55:56] higher percentage of that use.

[55:58] >> Okay. I I disagree because this is for

[56:01] » Okay. I I disagree because this is for

[56:01] the benefit of the entire city and also

[56:03] we don't want it to where they're

[56:06] working for type B. They should be

[56:08] working for the whole city. My

[56:09] suggestion would be since we don't have

[56:11] type A on board, take what uh type B did

[56:14] because that says 1/3, times it by two,

[56:17] we'll cover 2/3 salary and benefit under

[56:20] our line item for this year and then

[56:22] give them a small budget to get them

[56:24] going while we get them hired and on

[56:25] board. That would be my suggestion. And

[56:27] if next year

[56:27] >> Yeah, I agree. Which is 10334

[56:30] » Yeah, I agree. Which is 10334

[56:30] is double. But then so that would go

[56:32] into our general fund where it says

[56:34] economic development and change from the

[56:36] 125.

[56:37] >> Yes. Yes. And then we do a separate line

[56:38] » Yes. Yes. And then we do a separate line

[56:38] item for budget. What was that number?

[56:40] 103

[56:40] >> 103 334.

[56:42] » 103 334.

[56:42] >> 10334.

[56:45] » 10334.

[56:45] >> Okay. What are you changing? What page?

[56:47] » Okay. What are you changing? What page?

[56:47] >> Um, so it's I'll have to find the page

[56:51] » Um, so it's I'll have to find the page

[56:51] again. So on the type B, we're not

[56:54] changing anything besides updating EDC

[56:56] coordinator to say

[56:58] um contract. But if you go to page 32,

[57:02] well, no, we you created a whole new

[57:04] >> Yeah. So it would be the new general

[57:06] » Yeah. So it would be the new general

[57:06] budget.

[57:06] >> Yeah, it' be the new general.

[57:09] » Yeah, it' be the new general.

[57:09] >> Would you do it below? It says economic

[57:10] » Would you do it below? It says economic

[57:10] development. Would you just add it to

[57:11] the 125 or do you want it like called

[57:13] out something different?

[57:15] >> We need to call

[57:15] » We need to call

[57:16] >> if you want to break it out. Yeah.

[57:18] » if you want to break it out. Yeah.

[57:18] Because if it's part of it's going to be

[57:21] salary and benefits and then

[57:23] >> we'll put out their Medicare and all the

[57:26] » we'll put out their Medicare and all the

[57:26] things. So I guess under the economic

[57:28] development and expenditures on the

[57:30] general fund, we'd add an additional

[57:34] >> we'd do line item 10334 for salary and

[57:37] » we'd do line item 10334 for salary and

[57:37] benefits and then we need to talk about

[57:38] a budget and that would

[57:40] >> I don't think we break it out anymore

[57:42] » I don't think we break it out anymore

[57:42] because we need to wait till they get in

[57:43] here and tell us what they need. We

[57:44] don't want to

[57:45] >> So do you not want to keep the 125 as

[57:47] » So do you not want to keep the 125 as

[57:47] the budget already set? No, I would

[57:49] change it to the 103334 and then do a

[57:51] separate line item of budget.

[57:53] >> Okay.

[57:54] » Okay.

[57:54] >> Which the question is you're going to

[57:56] » Which the question is you're going to

[57:56] about six months to make sure you find

[57:57] the right person

[57:59] in the speed of city. So, how much of a

[58:02] budget do you think they need for 6

[58:04] months as they're getting in here? I

[58:05] would say maybe 50,000.

[58:07] >> I say 50. I think 50 is fair.

[58:08] » I say 50. I think 50 is fair.

[58:08] >> It's not 50.

[58:10] » It's not 50.

[58:10] >> What page are you making this change on?

[58:12] » What page are you making this change on?

[58:12] We're looking at the the general budget

[58:14] updated sheet that

[58:15] >> I can't call out by page because that we

[58:17] » I can't call out by page because that we

[58:17] created a new

[58:20] >> Yeah, I believe it was an admin before.

[58:23] » Yeah, I believe it was an admin before.

[58:23] >> Yeah, it was it was on page 30. I was

[58:25] » Yeah, it was it was on page 30. I was

[58:25] just on I'm sorry,

[58:28] >> but we It was on page 32 before

[58:32] » but we It was on page 32 before

[58:32] >> 32.

[58:33] » 32.

[58:33] >> It was, but she's creating a new

[58:35] » It was, but she's creating a new

[58:35] department or however you want to.

[58:37] >> Yeah.

[58:39] » Yeah.

[58:39] >> Jazz, where are you getting the 50,000?

[58:40] » Jazz, where are you getting the 50,000?

[58:40] Because if we're given if that they're

[58:42] budgeting 50 and then we're judging 100.

[58:44] So

[58:44] >> So if you if you look at their words,

[58:46] » So if you if you look at their words,

[58:46] yeah, if you look at their words for it

[58:48] says for salaries and benefits, they did

[58:50] not say anything about covering their

[58:52] expenses. So that's something we can

[58:54] also bring to type B. I think next year

[58:56] we get ahead of the budget and pre talk

[58:58] to both of these boards about truly

[59:00] covering because the expenses will be a

[59:02] lot more the following year as this

[59:04] person gets hired on and has a plan for

[59:06] the city. But I think 50,000 should be

[59:08] enough for them to get in here, learn

[59:10] the city, do what they need to do, and

[59:12] if not, we can amend if there's an

[59:14] emergent need.

[59:16] >> Well, maybe we can start doing the

[59:17] » Well, maybe we can start doing the

[59:17] budget stuff like in June and start

[59:19] >> that's how it should be.

[59:20] » that's how it should be.

[59:20] >> So, are you wanting me to show salary

[59:22] » So, are you wanting me to show salary

[59:22] and benefits 51667?

[59:24] >> No, it should be double because we're

[59:26] » No, it should be double because we're

[59:26] going to cover 2/3 since we don't have

[59:28] type A um on board.

[59:30] >> So, that would be 103334.

[59:33] » So, that would be 103334.

[59:33] Correct, Tanya?

[59:33] >> Correct. And then a $50,000

[59:37] » Correct. And then a $50,000

[59:37] budget for

[59:39] >> expenses.

[59:40] » expenses.

[59:40] >> Expenses, not personal, for city

[59:42] » Expenses, not personal, for city

[59:42] expenses.

[59:43] >> Okay. So that's about 25,000 over what

[59:45] » Okay. So that's about 25,000 over what

[59:46] we already have. Okay.

[59:50] >> Okay.

[59:50] » Okay.

[59:50] >> I think we had thought type A was going

[59:53] » I think we had thought type A was going

[59:53] to be in here, but since it's not kind

[59:56] of puts a pickle in it.

[1:00:04] Okay. Um, moving on from

[1:00:08] that line, I think the other biggest

[1:00:12] change to their budget

[1:00:15] um

[1:00:16] is them anticipating some special

[1:00:20] projects.

[1:00:24] um they pretty much kept their um

[1:00:28] operations and maintenance and and um

[1:00:32] professional services about the same.

[1:00:34] But if you look on page 230,

[1:00:38] they have put in 2,330,000

[1:00:43] for future projects.

[1:00:47] >> Yeah. Page 230.

[1:00:51] spells it out.

[1:00:55] » Yeah. Yeah.

[1:00:57] >> Page 261 breaks it out.

[1:01:05] Mayor

[1:01:08] >> Yes, ma'am.

[1:01:09] » Yes, ma'am.

[1:01:09] >> May I start conversation about this?

[1:01:11] » May I start conversation about this?

[1:01:11] >> Pardon?

[1:01:11] » Pardon?

[1:01:11] >> Can I start talking about this?

[1:01:13] » Can I start talking about this?

[1:01:13] >> Sure.

[1:01:14] » Sure.

[1:01:14] >> Okay. So, I have a question for the

[1:01:19] » Okay. So, I have a question for the

[1:01:19] 1 million. Oh, wait. Where did it go? It

[1:01:22] changed it.

[1:01:26] So,

[1:01:27] >> oh, the 1 million east of 156 south of

[1:01:29] » oh, the 1 million east of 156 south of

[1:01:29] Hlet Parkways.

[1:01:32] I have no problem with a park on that

[1:01:34] side of town. That's where I live. I do

[1:01:36] have a problem with us putting a budget

[1:01:38] forth for something that we don't even

[1:01:40] know where it's going to go. We don't

[1:01:42] even have a plan in mind and we're

[1:01:43] saying we're going to spend a million on

[1:01:44] it next year. Um,

[1:01:48] also I have questions about the process.

[1:01:50] If you guys don't have problems with

[1:01:51] that, then I just have a questions about

[1:01:53] the process. I just think we're supposed

[1:01:55] to be budgeting what we're going to

[1:01:56] spend. If we don't even have land,

[1:02:01] I definitely have questions.

[1:02:02] >> What's the east of 156 south of Where is

[1:02:04] » What's the east of 156 south of Where is

[1:02:04] that? You said you they're just calling

[1:02:06] for a park somewhere on that side of

[1:02:07] town.

[1:02:08] >> That's what they're saying. They want

[1:02:09] » That's what they're saying. They want

[1:02:09] this is this is to appease Sweetg Grass

[1:02:12] and a little bit of Careway because they

[1:02:13] were promised a park

[1:02:15] >> and a lot of the money that they

[1:02:19] » and a lot of the money that they

[1:02:19] um contributed when they built their

[1:02:20] house went to the park funds. And I I

[1:02:23] think part of it they were promised by

[1:02:26] the developers a park on that side of

[1:02:28] the town. But I also think we need to

[1:02:29] clear up the verbiage here that the park

[1:02:32] funds provided from those houses, it

[1:02:36] [snorts] was for all of the city of

[1:02:37] Hasslet. It never anywhere stipulated

[1:02:39] that it had to go to Careway or Sweet

[1:02:40] Grass. Um, which isn't really fair to

[1:02:43] all those that were lied to. I was one

[1:02:44] of the people that were lied to. Um, I

[1:02:47] would love a park over there.

[1:02:50] I just have a problem with a general

[1:02:52] statement. I guess

[1:02:54] >> I think

[1:02:55] » I think

[1:02:55] >> I would like to interject here. It is in

[1:02:58] » I would like to interject here. It is in

[1:02:58] our ordinance that those park fund fees

[1:03:01] that each home site pays

[1:03:03] >> goes to the general fund.

[1:03:05] » goes to the general fund.

[1:03:05] >> Yeah. Yes. That's what that's what I'm

[1:03:06] » Yeah. Yes. That's what that's what I'm

[1:03:06] saying. You said we need to clarify the

[1:03:09] language. The ordinance does clarify

[1:03:10] that.

[1:03:11] >> I know. But for people that don't know

[1:03:13] » I know. But for people that don't know

[1:03:13] all the ordinances, they don't

[1:03:15] understand. They think we paid for a

[1:03:16] park. We should be getting a park. And

[1:03:18] and I agree when

[1:03:20] >> the developer speaks a lot on our behalf

[1:03:22] » the developer speaks a lot on our behalf

[1:03:22] that we don't agree with.

[1:03:24] >> Yes. But I'm just saying since we're

[1:03:26] » Yes. But I'm just saying since we're

[1:03:26] speaking on it right now, I think it's

[1:03:27] important that we clarify the city has

[1:03:29] not done anything wrong by spending the

[1:03:31] money on the the main park in the city.

[1:03:34] But you can understand residents

[1:03:37] frustration that they're the main

[1:03:38] contributors and it's hard for them to

[1:03:40] access. That said, a general statement

[1:03:44] for a park where no land is identified.

[1:03:46] I I have concerns and questions.

[1:03:49] >> I would like to make this. Okay. Uh

[1:03:52] » I would like to make this. Okay. Uh

[1:03:52] you're discussing Ty's budget.

[1:03:55] >> Okay.

[1:03:56] » Okay.

[1:03:56] >> Well, their future projects specifically

[1:03:58] » Well, their future projects specifically

[1:03:58] >> their future projects. Well, this is

[1:04:01] » their future projects. Well, this is

[1:04:01] their budget. They're a separate

[1:04:02] corporation. Yes.

[1:04:04] >> And we're just in the enabling entity.

[1:04:07] » And we're just in the enabling entity.

[1:04:07] That's what the city is. U now they have

[1:04:10] these funds in here. They can't spend

[1:04:13] any of this money until they turn that

[1:04:15] into a project, have a resolution, and

[1:04:17] it goes before the city council for

[1:04:19] approval.

[1:04:21] >> These are just numbers. So that was that

[1:04:23] » These are just numbers. So that was that

[1:04:23] was what I said at the beginning by

[1:04:25] understanding the process because I

[1:04:27] understood that for the park that we're

[1:04:29] working on um right now where there was

[1:04:32] back and forth if they had the funds

[1:04:33] available my understanding is that they

[1:04:35] wouldn't have to come back to city

[1:04:36] council. Is that different? So that's

[1:04:39] that is a question I had.

[1:04:40] >> Excuse me. Say the park

[1:04:42] » Excuse me. Say the park

[1:04:42] >> the park that the park the playground

[1:04:45] » the park that the park the playground

[1:04:45] >> yeah because my understanding is if

[1:04:46] » yeah because my understanding is if

[1:04:46] they'd come in under budget they

[1:04:48] wouldn't have had to come back to

[1:04:49] council. So, how is that different with

[1:04:51] a new So, if we gave them a million

[1:04:53] dollars and they went out and got a bid

[1:04:55] and all that, do they have to come back

[1:04:58] before city council for approval? That

[1:04:59] was what I was

[1:05:00] >> Yes. Correct. Yes. With the resolution

[1:05:02] » Yes. Correct. Yes. With the resolution

[1:05:02] >> to spend the remainder of the money

[1:05:05] » to spend the remainder of the money

[1:05:05] >> to So, say the park came in at 800,000.

[1:05:07] » to So, say the park came in at 800,000.

[1:05:07] Yes.

[1:05:08] >> Can they just go do it or do they have

[1:05:09] » Can they just go do it or do they have

[1:05:09] to come back to city council?

[1:05:11] >> We would have had to approve that they

[1:05:13] » We would have had to approve that they

[1:05:13] could spend up to a million prior

[1:05:16] today. They were just saying, "Okay,

[1:05:17] we'll let them budget this amount." And

[1:05:19] then once they find the project, fund

[1:05:22] it, then they'll come to us and say,

[1:05:24] >> um, we want to use 900,000 for this

[1:05:27] » um, we want to use 900,000 for this

[1:05:27] project resolution. What do you think?

[1:05:29] And we'll say yes or no.

[1:05:30] >> So, they will have to come before us,

[1:05:32] » So, they will have to come before us,

[1:05:32] correct, with the location and what

[1:05:35] their resolution, all the details,

[1:05:37] >> and adopt it, formally adopt it. They

[1:05:39] » and adopt it, formally adopt it. They

[1:05:39] adopt it formally as a project and

[1:05:42] submit it to the city council for

[1:05:44] approval. This is just Mayor May I be

[1:05:46] recognized?

[1:05:47] >> It be a project definition and the

[1:05:50] » It be a project definition and the

[1:05:50] amount.

[1:05:50] >> Okay.

[1:05:50] » Okay.

[1:05:50] >> Mayor, may I be recognized?

[1:05:54] » May I be recognized?

[1:05:56] >> Say that again.

[1:05:56] » Say that again.

[1:05:56] >> May I be recognized, sir?

[1:05:58] » May I be recognized, sir?

[1:05:58] >> Yes. Uh EDCB's intent this year, as has

[1:06:02] » Yes. Uh EDCB's intent this year, as has

[1:06:02] been uh conveyed a couple of times, but

[1:06:05] EDCB's con intent this year is to by

[1:06:09] budgeting these listing these projects

[1:06:11] out in its budget uh in accordance with

[1:06:13] state law that if that is budgeted and

[1:06:15] that uh these projects get approved that

[1:06:18] that and the mayor is correct, there

[1:06:20] would be resolution, there would be uh

[1:06:22] public hearings, but that that would

[1:06:24] basically start the 60-day process as

[1:06:27] opposed to them going throughout

[1:06:29] throughout the year with this project,

[1:06:30] that project. It is it does not mean

[1:06:32] that the listing right here is the

[1:06:35] extent of that project. Um there those

[1:06:37] projects would still be spelled out, but

[1:06:38] the intent is that that would be

[1:06:40] happening basically on the front end of

[1:06:42] their budget as opposed to through

[1:06:44] throughout the year project by project.

[1:06:46] >> This well I uh that's not correct. That

[1:06:50] » This well I uh that's not correct. That

[1:06:50] 60-day process starts after the

[1:06:52] resolution and the adoption of the

[1:06:55] project. And the matter being he gives

[1:06:58] the public time to come back and

[1:07:00] respond.

[1:07:02] >> Now this they can't spend any of this

[1:07:04] » Now this they can't spend any of this

[1:07:04] money. This is not project approval.

[1:07:07] >> And I did not state that this was

[1:07:09] » And I did not state that this was

[1:07:09] project approval, sir. But this process

[1:07:11] has been laid out by their attorney as

[1:07:13] well. Um that they can through the

[1:07:16] budgeting process that they can start

[1:07:18] this process. does not mean that just it

[1:07:20] being on this sheet is uh intended as

[1:07:23] that

[1:07:24] >> of that attorney's analysis.

[1:07:26] » of that attorney's analysis.

[1:07:26] >> I'll be happy to speak with the EDC

[1:07:28] » I'll be happy to speak with the EDC

[1:07:28] president and and to get you that

[1:07:29] attorney's analysis.

[1:07:30] >> Get that.

[1:07:31] » Get that.

[1:07:31] >> Yes, sir.

[1:07:32] » Yes, sir.

[1:07:32] >> Okay. If that's the case, if we still

[1:07:33] » Okay. If that's the case, if we still

[1:07:33] get kind of them coming to us, then I I

[1:07:36] don't care. It's their their budget. Um

[1:07:39] anybody

[1:07:39] >> Okay. I had I want to just add that

[1:07:41] » Okay. I had I want to just add that

[1:07:41] since there's two things on here that

[1:07:43] are well three I guess that are park

[1:07:45] related like the smart lockers and the

[1:07:46] adult changing table that we still I'm

[1:07:50] okay approving this but but it still

[1:07:52] needs to at some point go through the

[1:07:54] process of the parks board to make sure

[1:07:56] >> that they're good with the smart

[1:07:58] » that they're good with the smart

[1:07:58] location uh or smart locker location or

[1:08:00] they're good with the adult changing

[1:08:01] table implementation that we're not um

[1:08:05] circumventing that board's impact on

[1:08:08] these on these projects. as well.

[1:08:10] >> We did put it in writing that it's

[1:08:11] » We did put it in writing that it's

[1:08:11] required to go to them. So,

[1:08:14] um any I guess one final question I had

[1:08:19] or not even question more I'm hoping

[1:08:21] council will agree. I see on here that

[1:08:23] they want to travel to ICSC cornet or

[1:08:26] something like that. They put 10,000

[1:08:27] travel expenses and I think that's great

[1:08:30] that they go. I think as a city we're

[1:08:32] not ready to represent ourselves yet. I

[1:08:34] think we need to get that econom e

[1:08:36] economic development manager or director

[1:08:38] on before we are doing our own booth.

[1:08:42] And if that makes sense, I think they

[1:08:44] should go and learn this year. I think

[1:08:46] that'd be great, but I think we need to

[1:08:47] get our stuff together a little bit more

[1:08:49] before we start selling ourselves.

[1:08:51] >> Do you read this as they're going to

[1:08:52] » Do you read this as they're going to

[1:08:52] actually participate or just go and

[1:08:55] >> I am attend?

[1:08:56] » I am attend?

[1:08:56] >> I'm not sure. and I spoke to them and I

[1:08:58] » I'm not sure. and I spoke to them and I

[1:08:58] don't think they're sure yet either, but

[1:09:00] I I think it's really important and when

[1:09:02] when you look into it cuz I did do some

[1:09:03] research, it's very important that we're

[1:09:06] presenting ourselves correctly the first

[1:09:07] time and we have someone experienced in

[1:09:10] presenting the city. Um, not necessarily

[1:09:12] the volunteers of the city, even though

[1:09:13] I think what they're doing is great, we

[1:09:15] just need to make sure we're doing it

[1:09:17] right the first time.

[1:09:19] >> So, how would we clarify that on

[1:09:21] » So, how would we clarify that on

[1:09:21] >> I think going to learn is a great idea.

[1:09:23] » I think going to learn is a great idea.

[1:09:23] >> Yeah,

[1:09:23] » Yeah,

[1:09:23] >> that that's what I think this year

[1:09:24] » that that's what I think this year

[1:09:24] should be. And I I really hope that the

[1:09:26] economic development manager is hired by

[1:09:28] then. But

[1:09:28] >> could the Could this Well, no, we can't

[1:09:30] » could the Could this Well, no, we can't

[1:09:30] change this. I'm just saying could it

[1:09:31] say attending and not participating? I

[1:09:34] don't [clears throat] know if

[1:09:34] >> I think that's just a conversation with

[1:09:36] » I think that's just a conversation with

[1:09:36] a conversation.

[1:09:37] >> I think it's a conversation. I just

[1:09:38] » I think it's a conversation. I just

[1:09:38] wanted to see if you guys agreed.

[1:09:40] >> Where does it

[1:09:43] » Where does it

[1:09:43] >> It just says traveling to

[1:09:44] » It just says traveling to

[1:09:44] >> 238

[1:09:46] » 238

[1:09:46] 260

[1:09:47] >> on your binder top left corner.

[1:09:50] » on your binder top left corner.

[1:09:50] >> He's asking where it says participate.

[1:09:51] » He's asking where it says participate.

[1:09:51] It doesn't say that. So Joe, could you

[1:09:53] just make sure that the HC EDC type B

[1:09:56] understands that from council? We don't

[1:09:59] want them setting up a booth and

[1:10:00] presenting, but more going to learn if

[1:10:03] that's what they're doing this year

[1:10:04] while we get that economic development

[1:10:05] director

[1:10:06] >> in place

[1:10:07] » in place

[1:10:07] >> in place

[1:10:08] » in place

[1:10:08] >> because that happens in Januaryish that

[1:10:10] » because that happens in Januaryish that

[1:10:10] convention. Do you know?

[1:10:13] I believe it's later in the year, but

[1:10:15] the the main one they do different

[1:10:17] things, but I believe the main one's uh

[1:10:19] >> I think it's

[1:10:19] » I think it's

[1:10:19] >> later in the year because I believe this

[1:10:21] » later in the year because I believe this

[1:10:21] the one for this year I believe just

[1:10:23] passed two or three months ago.

[1:10:24] >> Yes, May.

[1:10:25] » Yes, May.

[1:10:25] >> Thank you.

[1:10:25] » Thank you.

[1:10:25] >> It took place in May.

[1:10:26] » It took place in May.

[1:10:26] >> So,

[1:10:27] » So,

[1:10:27] >> yeah.

[1:10:29] » yeah.

[1:10:30] >> Watch it.

[1:10:31] » Watch it.

[1:10:31] Mr. Mayor,

[1:10:33] >> since we're done with that discussion,

[1:10:35] » since we're done with that discussion,

[1:10:35] um I don't know if it's appropriate or

[1:10:36] not, but is there any way we could have

[1:10:39] uh Mike Anderson go ahead and do his

[1:10:40] piece because he's paid by the hour by

[1:10:42] the city and he's already sat here for

[1:10:45] an hour and a half.

[1:10:47] >> Understood. Uh Marcy is in the middle of

[1:10:49] » Understood. Uh Marcy is in the middle of

[1:10:49] her presentation. Let her close, let her

[1:10:52] finish this out. It should not take a

[1:10:54] long time, but understand it's all

[1:10:56] dependent upon the discussion that you

[1:10:58] have. So, I need to understand, are you

[1:11:01] disapproving the EDC type B budget right

[1:11:04] now?

[1:11:04] >> No, we're approving it as it's stated.

[1:11:07] » No, we're approving it as it's stated.

[1:11:07] Joe's just going to provide additional

[1:11:08] clarification and we're just cleaning up

[1:11:10] the verbiage for one line. Marcy,

[1:11:14] >> they cleaned up verbiage on the line and

[1:11:16] » they cleaned up verbiage on the line and

[1:11:16] then they made a change in the general

[1:11:18] fund, but they did not make any changes

[1:11:20] to type B other than description.

[1:11:24] >> I did have one other question on type B

[1:11:25] » I did have one other question on type B

[1:11:25] on page 241. And it says park

[1:11:27] bench/cannopy 2025 and I had I don't

[1:11:31] know why but I had written down 6463. Is

[1:11:33] that completed? Is that there's nothing

[1:11:35] budgeted. I was just

[1:11:38] h it's completed.

[1:11:39] >> Yeah, it shows that it is expended 2425

[1:11:42] » Yeah, it shows that it is expended 2425

[1:11:42] 5,863.

[1:11:44] >> Oh, then it says above it 5863. Right.

[1:11:46] » Oh, then it says above it 5863. Right.

[1:11:46] So I'm not but nothing's in the actual

[1:11:48] um columns.

[1:11:50] >> I think it's done.

[1:11:51] » I think it's done.

[1:11:51] >> It's done.

[1:11:52] » It's done.

[1:11:52] >> Finished.

[1:11:53] » Finished.

[1:11:53] >> Complete. Thank you.

[1:12:00] Okay. The ne the next one is type A. T

[1:12:03] type A really made no significant

[1:12:05] changes to their budget. Um

[1:12:12] I don't know that um

[1:12:16] >> can I unless

[1:12:17] » can I unless

[1:12:17] >> you have some question oh sorry mayor.

[1:12:19] » you have some question oh sorry mayor.

[1:12:19] >> Yes ma'am.

[1:12:20] » Yes ma'am.

[1:12:20] >> What what is the intent and purpose of

[1:12:22] » What what is the intent and purpose of

[1:12:22] our taipe? And I'm asking this because

[1:12:25] we're going over the budget. So I just

[1:12:27] need to understand because they don't

[1:12:28] meet very frequently. I feel like we

[1:12:30] have a pretty decent amount of money

[1:12:32] just sitting there.

[1:12:34] >> Uh then I I'll give you that.

[1:12:36] » Uh then I I'll give you that.

[1:12:36] >> Uh

[1:12:39] » Uh

[1:12:39] type A was uh established purely for

[1:12:42] industrial type projects. State law

[1:12:45] established it that way. And

[1:12:49] [clears throat] uh type B was

[1:12:52] established. It could do industrial

[1:12:54] projects, but it's uh it was established

[1:12:57] by uh legislators so that

[1:13:02] that economic development corporation

[1:13:05] could expend funds on the city itself.

[1:13:08] They recognized, oh, if they could if

[1:13:11] the they had an economic development

[1:13:14] corporation that could spend money on a

[1:13:17] park or help build water lines for the

[1:13:22] municipality or help build a road that

[1:13:25] enhances the municipality, makes it more

[1:13:28] attractive indirectly making it

[1:13:32] improving the economic development

[1:13:34] viability of the municipality. That was

[1:13:37] fundamental row and probably

[1:13:40] I'm going to say two legislations ago or

[1:13:44] maybe might have been three six years

[1:13:48] >> the legislators made a change that type

[1:13:52] » the legislators made a change that type

[1:13:52] A

[1:13:54] was no longer limited to just industrial

[1:13:57] projects

[1:13:59] that they could expend money as

[1:14:04] type B does on municipal projects.

[1:14:08] >> Okay. So, can I ask you a question?

[1:14:10] » Okay. So, can I ask you a question?

[1:14:10] >> One more thing. The meetings, it's in

[1:14:14] » One more thing. The meetings, it's in

[1:14:14] their bylaws.

[1:14:16] They meet at least once a quarter.

[1:14:19] >> I I understand. But the the question is

[1:14:23] » I I understand. But the the question is

[1:14:23] like what are they doing to to really

[1:14:26] assist the city at this point? I I

[1:14:28] understand they're you're saying they're

[1:14:30] for industrial.

[1:14:31] >> We haven't asked them. The city has not

[1:14:34] » We haven't asked them. The city has not

[1:14:34] asked them. the the primary you know

[1:14:37] when these EDCs were established

[1:14:40] originally in Hasslet, Texas and as well

[1:14:43] as currently as many cities use their

[1:14:49] EDCs.

[1:14:51] >> They are a funding source.

[1:14:53] » They are a funding source.

[1:14:53] >> I mean but that funding

[1:14:54] » I mean but that funding

[1:14:54] >> they don't say go out and hunt for

[1:14:56] » they don't say go out and hunt for

[1:14:56] things to do.

[1:14:57] >> No, I understand. But that funding would

[1:14:58] » No, I understand. But that funding would

[1:14:58] go back to the general fund if we were

[1:15:00] to like dissolve the type A. My my

[1:15:03] question being right now when industrial

[1:15:04] wouldn't it would what what would

[1:15:06] happen?

[1:15:06] >> No, this is its own fund. So um

[1:15:11] » No, this is its own fund. So um

[1:15:11] they're they're it's much like type um

[1:15:14] B's budget. They're budgeting just in

[1:15:16] case. The last time they had an

[1:15:18] incentive was with composits one and

[1:15:22] composits one was required to add

[1:15:24] certain number of jobs and you know

[1:15:26] things like that but they don't pay the

[1:15:28] incentive until all those requirements

[1:15:30] are met and the company makes the

[1:15:32] application for reimbursement

[1:15:34] >> and so that's the last one they've had.

[1:15:37] » and so that's the last one they've had.

[1:15:37] It's been many years that agreement has

[1:15:39] expired. They never ask for any

[1:15:42] reimbursement under it. So, it's really

[1:15:44] just a placeholder

[1:15:47] um for that. But

[1:15:49] >> the the economic direct development

[1:15:52] » the the economic direct development

[1:15:52] director

[1:15:53] as they would do their job, they'd look

[1:15:56] to type A or B to if a company came

[1:15:59] asking for an incentive or any kind of,

[1:16:02] you know, um in rebate agreement or

[1:16:06] something like that, then they would

[1:16:08] have worked through that. Okay. that

[1:16:10] director the director would have

[1:16:11] approached the council. You want me to

[1:16:14] ask type A and B? You know, yes. So then

[1:16:18] he'd work all that.

[1:16:18] >> But is there a reason that a small city

[1:16:20] » But is there a reason that a small city

[1:16:20] like Hasllett would have a type A and

[1:16:22] type B? Like Ronoke, they used to have a

[1:16:23] type B. From what I can tell, they no

[1:16:25] longer have a type B.

[1:16:27] >> What?

[1:16:27] » What?

[1:16:27] >> I can answer that.

[1:16:29] » I can answer that.

[1:16:29] >> Okay, go for it.

[1:16:29] » Okay, go for it.

[1:16:29] >> That's not question.

[1:16:31] » That's not question.

[1:16:31] >> The uh is the amount of tax revenue that

[1:16:35] » The uh is the amount of tax revenue that

[1:16:35] you collect. you can collect the city in

[1:16:37] itself is limited to 1%

[1:16:41] the city

[1:16:42] >> so we get 1% on every dollar spent on

[1:16:46] » so we get 1% on every dollar spent on

[1:16:46] taxes

[1:16:48] when you have a type A

[1:16:52] and or B

[1:16:55] they can each get up to a maximum of 1%

[1:16:58] each

[1:17:00] >> may or may I'm sorry to interrupt

[1:17:02] » may or may I'm sorry to interrupt

[1:17:02] >> say again

[1:17:03] » say again

[1:17:03] >> I was asking to be recognized but I

[1:17:05] » I was asking to be recognized but I

[1:17:05] Didn't realize I was interrupting you. I

[1:17:06] apologize.

[1:17:06] >> No, you were saying something. What were

[1:17:08] » No, you were saying something. What were

[1:17:08] you saying?

[1:17:09] >> I I was going to ask Well, uh just that

[1:17:11] » I I was going to ask Well, uh just that

[1:17:11] the state did change at one point that

[1:17:14] >> the one the the 1 cent can go to two

[1:17:16] » the one the the 1 cent can go to two

[1:17:16] cents, but it does take a a an

[1:17:18] allocation to reallocate the sale an

[1:17:20] election an election to reallocate.

[1:17:22] >> Yes, they are set up that way now.

[1:17:24] » Yes, they are set up that way now.

[1:17:24] That's when they were adopted.

[1:17:26] >> Uh right now, type B gets 1%.

[1:17:31] » Uh right now, type B gets 1%.

[1:17:31] >> No. And the city No, excuse me.

[1:17:35] » No. And the city No, excuse me.

[1:17:35] city gets one

[1:17:37] between A, B, and the uh street fund,

[1:17:44] they get 1%.

[1:17:47] >> Mhm.

[1:17:48] » Mhm.

[1:17:48] >> A gets a half percent

[1:17:52] » A gets a half percent

[1:17:52] or B gets a half percent. A gets a

[1:17:55] quarter and the street fund gets a

[1:17:58] >> of the sales tax. So, uh, when it was

[1:18:02] » of the sales tax. So, uh, when it was

[1:18:02] established,

[1:18:04] if you did not establish A and B, you

[1:18:07] would not get all those revenues.

[1:18:10] >> Mr. Mayor,

[1:18:11] » Mr. Mayor,

[1:18:12] >> yes.

[1:18:12] » yes.

[1:18:12] >> May I

[1:18:13] » May I

[1:18:13] >> Yes, sir.

[1:18:13] » Yes, sir.

[1:18:13] >> add something. Um, last week Tanya and I

[1:18:16] » add something. Um, last week Tanya and I

[1:18:16] went to that TML conference and they

[1:18:18] said actually a lot of uh small towns

[1:18:21] have transitioned away from EDC's

[1:18:23] because of the change in the state law

[1:18:25] >> that still allows you to to get that tax

[1:18:29] » that still allows you to to get that tax

[1:18:29] money, but they're moving more towards a

[1:18:32] community uh corporation where it's it's

[1:18:36] not a EDC board any longer, but it's

[1:18:38] they can have the whole 2% in that one

[1:18:41] place and it's more directed by the city

[1:18:43] council.

[1:18:43] >> Mhm. And it does take an election, but

[1:18:46] » Mhm. And it does take an election, but

[1:18:46] EDC's, a lot of EDCs have gone away in

[1:18:48] smaller towns like ours because of the

[1:18:50] change in the state law that happened

[1:18:52] several years ago. And so that might be

[1:18:53] something that we could look at.

[1:18:56] >> I agree.

[1:18:56] » I agree.

[1:18:56] >> Um because they went over that

[1:18:58] » Um because they went over that

[1:18:58] extensively at that conference that we

[1:18:59] went to last week and I think it was

[1:19:01] very beneficial for us to be there.

[1:19:02] >> I also also would love to look at the

[1:19:04] » I also also would love to look at the

[1:19:04] Amazon agreement and see if they have

[1:19:06] met all of the requirements of what was

[1:19:08] set in that. Did they hire the right

[1:19:10] people? or do they do they do the

[1:19:11] correct

[1:19:11] >> do they keep the number of

[1:19:12] » do they keep the number of

[1:19:12] >> keep the number of um revenue or

[1:19:15] » keep the number of um revenue or

[1:19:15] whatever the the restrictions were or

[1:19:18] the expectations were have they have

[1:19:20] they done that

[1:19:21] >> because they brought up a story at TML

[1:19:23] » because they brought up a story at TML

[1:19:23] where there was an incentive agreement

[1:19:25] like that and somebody audited all of

[1:19:27] the things that they were they supposed

[1:19:29] to do this this this and this and they

[1:19:31] missed it by like two employees and they

[1:19:33] were able to void the contract. So, I

[1:19:36] think we need to be looking at that as

[1:19:37] Tanya said as well. Um, because we pay

[1:19:40] them what, half a million dollars a year

[1:19:41] to be here.

[1:19:42] >> Yeah.

[1:19:43] » Yeah.

[1:19:43] >> And I don't know if anyone has looked at

[1:19:45] » And I don't know if anyone has looked at

[1:19:45] to make sure that they are meeting those

[1:19:46] requirements because if it was you're

[1:19:48] going to have to have so many employees

[1:19:49] and now they've automated their entire

[1:19:52] >> their entire warehouse for example,

[1:19:54] » their entire warehouse for example,

[1:19:54] they're not meeting those employee

[1:19:55] requirements anymore. So, possibly.

[1:19:57] >> So, that's a good idea. you can make a

[1:20:00] » So, that's a good idea. you can make a

[1:20:00] note is to perform an audit if we need

[1:20:04] to hire somebody to perform an audit on

[1:20:06] the Amazon agreement.

[1:20:08] >> I would just I would say they provide

[1:20:11] » I would just I would say they provide

[1:20:11] documentation every year when they ask

[1:20:14] for reimbursement on that but they have

[1:20:16] not we have not ever audited it.

[1:20:18] >> Would it that be something that the type

[1:20:19] » Would it that be something that the type

[1:20:19] A would do?

[1:20:22] >> Question. I mean

[1:20:24] » Question. I mean

[1:20:24] >> what

[1:20:25] » what

[1:20:26] >> uh

[1:20:27] » uh

[1:20:27] >> or fund if it needs to be

[1:20:30] » or fund if it needs to be

[1:20:30] >> yes you guys are saying that they make

[1:20:32] » yes you guys are saying that they make

[1:20:32] those agreements would they not fund

[1:20:34] what's needed to audit

[1:20:35] >> I don't know that a made that agreement

[1:20:36] » I don't know that a made that agreement

[1:20:36] with Amazon that was city of pass

[1:20:39] >> that was it

[1:20:39] » that was it

[1:20:39] >> that was city of pass that did that

[1:20:41] » that was city of pass that did that

[1:20:41] >> goes back to why did we have a type A

[1:20:43] » goes back to why did we have a type A

[1:20:43] then because I also know several

[1:20:44] industrial buildings have come before us

[1:20:46] and I don't believe they've gone to type

[1:20:47] B or type A either so I'm just wondering

[1:20:50] what they're doing

[1:20:53] what what a is doing.

[1:20:55] >> Okay.

[1:20:55] » Okay.

[1:20:55] >> They will they they will do what with

[1:20:57] » They will they they will do what with

[1:20:57] what the city of house goes and

[1:21:00] requests.

[1:21:02] >> Mr. Mayor,

[1:21:04] » Mr. Mayor,

[1:21:04] >> yes,

[1:21:04] » yes,

[1:21:04] >> if I'm reading this right, so they have

[1:21:07] » if I'm reading this right, so they have

[1:21:07] like their current budget is 2.7 million

[1:21:10] and I'm looking on page 251 of their

[1:21:13] future projects. There's nothing.

[1:21:16] um

[1:21:18] feel like I mean like they got $2.7

[1:21:21] almost $3 million and they have no

[1:21:23] future projects. They have nothing. So I

[1:21:26] feel like we need to start giving them

[1:21:27] some jobs. I know they only meet every

[1:21:29] quarter, but we need to start either we

[1:21:32] need to we need to fix that.

[1:21:34] >> Clarify they're required to meet every

[1:21:35] » Clarify they're required to meet every

[1:21:35] quarter. They could meet more frequently

[1:21:37] than that. You can always do more. You

[1:21:38] just correct. They just have to meet at

[1:21:41] >> quarterly. There's nothing wrong with

[1:21:42] » quarterly. There's nothing wrong with

[1:21:42] that. Well, we either they meet, you

[1:21:44] know, that we take advantage of them

[1:21:46] meeting every quarter and we give them

[1:21:47] stuff to do that. We ask them to do

[1:21:49] things or but for their future projects,

[1:21:51] they have nothing and they have almost

[1:21:52] $3 million in their budget or their So

[1:21:54] that that's something very

[1:21:56] >> it's not until the last two budgets, I

[1:22:00] » it's not until the last two budgets, I

[1:22:00] believe, this budget and budget

[1:22:03] previous, maybe the one prior to that,

[1:22:05] but did type B start listing money on

[1:22:09] projects. Here's a project project

[1:22:11] project and setting money out there.

[1:22:14] >> Wonderful.

[1:22:14] » Wonderful.

[1:22:14] >> And they were council.

[1:22:17] » And they were council.

[1:22:17] You can do that, but it means nothing.

[1:22:20] You cannot spend that money until you go

[1:22:23] through the formal process of adopting

[1:22:25] the project,

[1:22:27] identifying the project, establishing

[1:22:29] the amount of money that it will be, and

[1:22:34] forwarding that with the resolution to

[1:22:36] the city to approve the project.

[1:22:40] There's a process for each one of those

[1:22:42] projects.

[1:22:43] >> I understand that. I think I think what

[1:22:44] » I understand that. I think I think what

[1:22:44] Jazz was saying a while ago, we need to

[1:22:46] understand what type A does. We know

[1:22:47] what type B does. We know what all they

[1:22:49] can do. We need to find out what they

[1:22:50] can what type A does to where we can be

[1:22:53] able to call them and be like, hey,

[1:22:55] >> can y'all do this and do what?

[1:22:57] » can y'all do this and do what?

[1:22:57] >> Yeah, like you're saying, work on this.

[1:22:59] » Yeah, like you're saying, work on this.

[1:22:59] >> Work on this and hey, can y'all do this

[1:23:00] » Work on this and hey, can y'all do this

[1:23:00] for us? Um, hey, can y'all make a

[1:23:02] project? Can y'all look into this?

[1:23:03] Because I don't really know what type A

[1:23:06] does. You said there a lot of industrial

[1:23:07] or whatever. Um, but I think if we can

[1:23:10] maybe get a list of what type A does,

[1:23:12] then I wouldn't be opposed to emailing

[1:23:13] them or calling them like, "Hey, can you

[1:23:16] add this?" Because they've got money.

[1:23:18] They could be helping out the city and

[1:23:19] it's just sitting here doing nothing.

[1:23:21] >> Uh, then I would encourage you to read

[1:23:25] » Uh, then I would encourage you to read

[1:23:25] local government code starting with

[1:23:27] chapter 501.

[1:23:29] >> Okay. Um, I

[1:23:32] » Okay. Um, I

[1:23:32] there are 501, 502, 503, 504. Mayor.

[1:23:37] >> Yes.

[1:23:37] » Yes.

[1:23:38] >> And that will tell you what

[1:23:39] » And that will tell you what

[1:23:39] >> I thought you recognized me.

[1:23:41] » I thought you recognized me.

[1:23:41] >> A and B can do

[1:23:43] » A and B can do

[1:23:43] >> but please read that

[1:23:45] » but please read that

[1:23:45] >> and I've read that and it just it's

[1:23:47] » and I've read that and it just it's

[1:23:47] still determining what they are doing

[1:23:49] for us currently. But

[1:23:51] regardless, I think we wait until this

[1:23:53] economic development manager or director

[1:23:55] is brought on because they will give us

[1:23:56] guidance on what these boards can or

[1:23:59] what they can be doing and what they

[1:24:00] should be doing and they should give us

[1:24:02] direction on

[1:24:05] what you were speaking of whether it

[1:24:06] would benefit us or not. They'll have

[1:24:08] that experience if we hire the right

[1:24:09] person. also is 501 will tell you about

[1:24:14] this other type of corporation you were

[1:24:17] speaking of

[1:24:18] >> how that can be created. See, the

[1:24:20] » how that can be created. See, the

[1:24:20] economic development corporations aren't

[1:24:24] particularly limited to a city, any

[1:24:27] entity. Public implation

[1:24:46] of dissolving or

[1:24:50] defining or wanting to know understand

[1:24:53] what state statute allows you to do.

[1:24:58] >> I agree. Thank you.

[1:25:00] » I agree. Thank you.

[1:25:00] >> Good.

[1:25:06] » Okay. Are there any other questions on a

[1:25:08] type A?

[1:25:12] » Um page 255 is a hotel motto occupancy

[1:25:15] tax. Um, we're basically collecting the

[1:25:19] tax, but we've not identified

[1:25:23] uh anything that qualifies for the funds

[1:25:26] to be spent on as a project.

[1:25:27] >> You mean like a troll?

[1:25:31] » You mean like a troll?

[1:25:31] >> Yep. Uh, are there any questions on

[1:25:33] » Yep. Uh, are there any questions on

[1:25:33] that?

[1:25:37] » So, just for uh everyone to know and it

[1:25:40] to be on video, what can the hotel tax

[1:25:43] be spent on? It could be spent on

[1:25:45] wayfinding to the hotels that the

[1:25:48] >> the one we have

[1:25:49] » the one we have

[1:25:49] >> collect and any kind of um

[1:25:54] » collect and any kind of um

[1:25:54] tourist type u attraction or um

[1:25:59] wayfinding to a convention center

[1:26:03] u

[1:26:04] >> public art.

[1:26:05] » public art.

[1:26:05] >> Yeah, public art. the the control of it

[1:26:09] » Yeah, public art. the the control of it

[1:26:10] is

[1:26:10] >> you can expend [snorts]

[1:26:12] » you can expend [snorts]

[1:26:12] >> money on signage and advertising.

[1:26:16] » money on signage and advertising.

[1:26:16] Yeah, we can advertise any of the, you

[1:26:18] know, events that your city may be

[1:26:21] hosting

[1:26:23] >> that will cause increased hotel stay,

[1:26:27] » that will cause increased hotel stay,

[1:26:27] >> right? Which does not include a

[1:26:28] » right? Which does not include a

[1:26:28] fireworks show, for example, because

[1:26:30] that was a discussion at TML as well.

[1:26:31] You can't use it for fireworks, right?

[1:26:33] >> It has to be heads and beds, as they

[1:26:34] » It has to be heads and beds, as they

[1:26:34] said.

[1:26:35] >> That's right.

[1:26:35] » That's right.

[1:26:36] >> But we can use it for public art,

[1:26:38] » But we can use it for public art,

[1:26:38] >> right?

[1:26:39] » right?

[1:26:39] >> Public art.

[1:26:40] » Public art.

[1:26:40] >> So, public art

[1:26:42] » So, public art

[1:26:42] >> if it will entice people to stay in a

[1:26:45] » if it will entice people to stay in a

[1:26:45] hotel. That's the whole point. You're

[1:26:48] trying to get people to stay overnight

[1:26:50] in your hotels because not only you

[1:26:53] going to get some hotel tax money,

[1:26:55] they're going to spend money in the

[1:26:57] restaurants and things of that nature.

[1:27:00] So, it is you can do expend that fun

[1:27:04] money to entice people to stay in a

[1:27:08] hotel.

[1:27:08] >> You know what would get people to stay

[1:27:09] » You know what would get people to stay

[1:27:09] in hotels? Baseball tournaments. I'm

[1:27:11] just saying.

[1:27:18] On page 257 is the Municipal Court

[1:27:21] Security Fund.

[1:27:24] On 261 is the Municipal Court Technology

[1:27:27] Fund.

[1:27:30] And these two funds, their names pretty

[1:27:32] much say what they're for. Um, these are

[1:27:36] fees that are assessed on uh a m

[1:27:39] municipal court fine. a portion of those

[1:27:42] fees go towards uh funding these two

[1:27:45] funds. Now, last uh legislature, they

[1:27:49] decided to do away with these funds

[1:27:53] because they are um they don't generate

[1:27:56] a lot of revenue and so a lot of small

[1:27:58] towns like us um have a hard time

[1:28:01] expending them for what their purpose is

[1:28:03] to provide security for the municipal

[1:28:05] core or technology for the municipal

[1:28:07] court. So last year what they decided to

[1:28:10] do was make a combined municipal court

[1:28:13] security technology fund which you'll

[1:28:15] see on page 269.

[1:28:18] So we are discontinuing

[1:28:22] funds um going into uh fund 13 and 14.

[1:28:27] No revenues are coming in but we're

[1:28:29] expending until those funds are

[1:28:31] exhausted. The new the revenue we're

[1:28:34] collecting is actually going into fund

[1:28:36] 16.

[1:28:38] But we haven't really expended anything

[1:28:39] from there because we haven't exhausted

[1:28:41] the other two funds. But these funds

[1:28:44] are, you know, like I said, something

[1:28:46] that um is added on to the court fines

[1:28:49] um to be spent on security and

[1:28:51] technology.

[1:28:52] >> Just to clarify, once 13 and 14 are

[1:28:55] » Just to clarify, once 13 and 14 are

[1:28:55] completely exhausted, they'll go away.

[1:28:56] >> Yes.

[1:28:57] » Yes.

[1:28:57] >> Thank you.

[1:29:01] On page 265 is uh fund 15 which is city

[1:29:05] parks improvement fund.

[1:29:08] This is where the uh development fees

[1:29:11] are um received. There's interest

[1:29:14] income. Those are the revenue sources

[1:29:18] um for this fund.

[1:29:20] Excuse [clears throat] me.

[1:29:23] And then um you'll see that there in the

[1:29:25] current year there's several projects

[1:29:27] that were ongoing expecting those to be

[1:29:31] uh completed

[1:29:33] uh if not completed carried forward. But

[1:29:36] then for um next year there's 210,000

[1:29:41] um added for uh electric service line

[1:29:44] and receptacles at community park.

[1:29:51] Any question?

[1:29:52] >> I was just saying trash cans are really

[1:29:53] » I was just saying trash cans are really

[1:29:53] expensive.

[1:29:55] >> Yeah.

[1:29:57] » Yeah.

[1:29:57] >> So, is this Marcy

[1:30:00] » So, is this Marcy

[1:30:00] >> um

[1:30:02] » um

[1:30:02] under this 2526 we're at 763,000

[1:30:06] and when it's lined out 250 of that is

[1:30:09] community park playground.

[1:30:10] >> Mhm.

[1:30:11] » Mhm.

[1:30:11] >> Is that part of the 800,000 that we're

[1:30:14] » Is that part of the 800,000 that we're

[1:30:14] talking about for the

[1:30:17] replacement of the playground equipment

[1:30:18] or is that something else? That's

[1:30:20] something else.

[1:30:21] >> Okay.

[1:30:21] » Okay.

[1:30:21] >> I'm not sure. But it was something that

[1:30:23] » I'm not sure. But it was something that

[1:30:23] was in the current year and I can't

[1:30:24] remember what it was.

[1:30:26] >> Okay.

[1:30:27] » Okay.

[1:30:27] >> Oh, no. I'm not sure what that is.

[1:30:28] » Oh, no. I'm not sure what that is.

[1:30:28] >> Yeah.

[1:30:29] » Yeah.

[1:30:29] >> Wait. So then we've got over a million

[1:30:30] » Wait. So then we've got over a million

[1:30:30] for community park.

[1:30:31] >> I'm sorry.

[1:30:32] » I'm sorry.

[1:30:32] >> So then we have over a million for

[1:30:34] » So then we have over a million for

[1:30:34] community park.

[1:30:35] >> Looks like it.

[1:30:37] » Looks like it.

[1:30:37] >> If that's carried forward.

[1:30:38] » If that's carried forward.

[1:30:38] >> Yeah. It's near March, but it might not

[1:30:39] » Yeah. It's near March, but it might not

[1:30:39] get spent. [clears throat]

[1:30:41] >> So should we maybe take the other 300

[1:30:43] » So should we maybe take the other 300

[1:30:43] out and leave this 250?

[1:30:46] >> I think every dollar we can put towards

[1:30:47] » I think every dollar we can put towards

[1:30:47] the parks would be a good thing. I think

[1:30:49] we have to be reasonable for the size of

[1:30:50] city we are.

[1:30:51] >> I understand but it hasn't been

[1:30:54] » I understand but it hasn't been

[1:30:54] >> really all we have going for us or the

[1:30:56] » really all we have going for us or the

[1:30:56] parks right now.

[1:30:58] >> I don't know.

[1:30:59] » I don't know.

[1:30:59] >> The bathrooms need to be replaced.

[1:31:00] » The bathrooms need to be replaced.

[1:31:00] >> We have all kinds of stuff.

[1:31:02] » We have all kinds of stuff.

[1:31:02] >> Yeah.

[1:31:03] » Yeah.

[1:31:03] >> The way I look at it is we're we're a

[1:31:05] » The way I look at it is we're we're a

[1:31:05] small town, but just because we're a

[1:31:07] small town doesn't mean we can't have

[1:31:08] nice things.

[1:31:09] >> We could change community park instead

[1:31:11] » We could change community park instead

[1:31:11] of playground. It could just be

[1:31:12] community park park and we we take out

[1:31:14] the word playground so it can be more um

[1:31:17] universally used for like I said um like

[1:31:21] restrooms or um electricity or it means

[1:31:25] something else.

[1:31:28] >> Keep it.

[1:31:29] » Keep it.

[1:31:29] >> It was in last year's budget. It's not

[1:31:30] » It was in last year's budget. It's not

[1:31:30] this year's

[1:31:31] >> project is in the current year.

[1:31:32] » project is in the current year.

[1:31:32] >> That was last year.

[1:31:33] » That was last year.

[1:31:33] >> Oh, okay.

[1:31:35] » Oh, okay.

[1:31:35] >> Yeah, that was last year's budget.

[1:31:37] » Yeah, that was last year's budget.

[1:31:37] >> 268.

[1:31:38] » 268.

[1:31:38] >> Okay. So, it's been

[1:31:39] » Okay. So, it's been

[1:31:39] >> the 250,000. Yeah. Is that a carryover

[1:31:42] » the 250,000. Yeah. Is that a carryover

[1:31:42] or is it was last year?

[1:31:43] >> It was Well, right now it's just listed

[1:31:44] » It was Well, right now it's just listed

[1:31:44] as last year's year, but just not

[1:31:45] >> not carried over. Okay.

[1:31:47] » not carried over. Okay.

[1:31:47] >> I don't know.

[1:31:50] » I don't know.

[1:31:50] >> So, I think that was the original fall

[1:31:52] » So, I think that was the original fall

[1:31:52] zones and uh swing sets that were in

[1:31:55] community park. It's the one that's next

[1:31:57] to the basketball court. And I think

[1:31:59] they thought at one time that would

[1:32:00] replace in kind the exact playground

[1:32:02] that was there. So,

[1:32:04] >> I think that was the original scope of

[1:32:05] » I think that was the original scope of

[1:32:06] this one.

[1:32:07] >> So, this wasn't So, this wasn't spent

[1:32:10] » So, this wasn't So, this wasn't spent

[1:32:10] Okay.

[1:32:11] >> So, does this carry forward or does it

[1:32:13] » So, does this carry forward or does it

[1:32:13] just go away?

[1:32:13] >> Goes away.

[1:32:15] » Goes away.

[1:32:15] >> It'll just go back into their balance.

[1:32:18] » It'll just go back into their balance.

[1:32:18] >> Okay. James,

[1:32:18] » Okay. James,

[1:32:18] >> it's not needed.

[1:32:20] » it's not needed.

[1:32:20] >> Sorry, Marcy.

[1:32:21] » Sorry, Marcy.

[1:32:21] >> U was the upper tap trail crossing drain

[1:32:25] » U was the upper tap trail crossing drain

[1:32:25] improvements. Is that what you uh

[1:32:27] worked?

[1:32:27] >> That was I was just asking is that the

[1:32:29] » That was I was just asking is that the

[1:32:29] is that the project you did that goes

[1:32:31] under the bridge that you kind of

[1:32:32] reworked all that last year? That was

[1:32:34] the That was the drainage crossing at

[1:32:36] the far at the west end of the park

[1:32:39] >> where the tap trail goes across. And

[1:32:40] » where the tap trail goes across. And

[1:32:40] then we also did underneath the 156

[1:32:43] bridge, but those were all those

[1:32:44] drainage improvements.

[1:32:45] >> Okay, that's what that is. Okay,

[1:32:47] » Okay, that's what that is. Okay,

[1:32:47] >> I'm sorry.

[1:32:49] » I'm sorry.

[1:32:49] >> This upper 10 trail cross improve.

[1:32:55] » Oh, okay.

[1:32:56] >> I was completed. I'll just ask I'll just

[1:32:58] » I was completed. I'll just ask I'll just

[1:32:58] clarify what that project was. I do have

[1:32:59] a question about the UG electrical

[1:33:01] service line and receptacles because we

[1:33:02] have several line items for trash cans

[1:33:04] for the parks this year. So, just trying

[1:33:06] to figure out what's going on with that.

[1:33:09] >> Okay. We in our on andm budget because

[1:33:12] » Okay. We in our on andm budget because

[1:33:12] it wasn't enough to be a capital, we

[1:33:13] asked to replace the existing trash cans

[1:33:15] that were in community park and Gamble.

[1:33:17] They've been there for the better half

[1:33:19] of 20 years and they're

[1:33:22] >> Wasn't enough at the 4th of July. I

[1:33:23] » Wasn't enough at the 4th of July. I

[1:33:23] think trash was all over the ground. We

[1:33:24] just asked uh pretty much replace all

[1:33:26] those with something that's going to

[1:33:28] hold up hopefully for another 20 years.

[1:33:30] Uh then we had a list of park projects

[1:33:34] that the park board had identified and

[1:33:37] we've done like a lot of those were the

[1:33:38] uh drainage improvements. But this uh

[1:33:42] the electric service line and

[1:33:43] receptacles they desire to have around

[1:33:46] the uh that kind of inner circle there

[1:33:49] around the uh basketball court. They

[1:33:51] want uh power for vendors and things

[1:33:54] during uh events. And then also uh they

[1:33:58] also I mean I don't think it lays it out

[1:33:59] here, but they wanted the same thing

[1:34:01] around the entire trail with improved

[1:34:04] path lighting. Those were projects that

[1:34:05] are just they were identified years ago

[1:34:08] and they're slowly being funded. So

[1:34:10] >> Okay. Got it.

[1:34:11] » Okay. Got it.

[1:34:11] >> So James, I have a little bit of a

[1:34:14] » So James, I have a little bit of a

[1:34:14] little bit of knowledge here. When you

[1:34:17] say

[1:34:19] providing power for vendors, does that

[1:34:21] include the food trucks so they don't

[1:34:23] have to bring generators and the blowup

[1:34:24] so they don't have to bring generators?

[1:34:26] >> Yeah, the 20 amp.

[1:34:27] » Yeah, the 20 amp.

[1:34:27] >> That'd be the idea. Yeah, it would be

[1:34:29] » That'd be the idea. Yeah, it would be

[1:34:29] it'd be an upgrade of the service and

[1:34:31] then the intent is to provide power so

[1:34:33] we don't we can cut down on some of the

[1:34:35] noise and also

[1:34:36] >> that would be amazing.

[1:34:37] » that would be amazing.

[1:34:37] >> Have better vendors that could, you

[1:34:38] » Have better vendors that could, you

[1:34:38] know, do more with that

[1:34:40] >> because I know all the food trucks have

[1:34:41] » because I know all the food trucks have

[1:34:41] to have those big plugs or they have to

[1:34:43] use generators. they can't just roll up

[1:34:45] and do their thing. Um, so you're

[1:34:48] putting you're starting to put some

[1:34:50] plugs in in some places that they can we

[1:34:52] can get rid of some of those generator.

[1:34:53] >> Yeah, that's what this this project was

[1:34:55] » Yeah, that's what this this project was

[1:34:55] on that inner loop was to provide that

[1:34:57] so when we have an event that they'd

[1:34:59] have access to power and negate the need

[1:35:01] for that,

[1:35:02] >> right? Thank you, sir.

[1:35:03] » right? Thank you, sir.

[1:35:03] >> When when we're looking at that side

[1:35:04] » When when we're looking at that side

[1:35:04] note, can we just look at possibly

[1:35:07] something for speakers for the 4th of

[1:35:08] July because great show couldn't hear a

[1:35:11] thing where everyone was sitting. I

[1:35:12] don't know about anybody else that was

[1:35:13] there, but you couldn't hear the music

[1:35:15] going on with the show. So, even if it's

[1:35:17] just plugs towards that front of the

[1:35:19] park where we can plug in some speakers

[1:35:21] so we can actually hear the music

[1:35:23] >> be good.

[1:35:25] » be good.

[1:35:25] >> Were you there?

[1:35:26] » Were you there?

[1:35:26] >> I just did my own on my phone cuz I

[1:35:27] » I just did my own on my phone cuz I

[1:35:27] couldn't hear it either.

[1:35:28] >> Yeah.

[1:35:32] » Okay. Uh, next fund is page 273. It's a

[1:35:36] library board fund. uh the library

[1:35:39] board. Um this fund

[1:35:43] provides money for the summer reading

[1:35:45] club, some special projects that they

[1:35:47] may have and any kind of uh small

[1:35:51] furniture equipment. um some things that

[1:35:55] um

[1:35:57] it's very

[1:35:59] >> did the um I'm sorry the um revenue that

[1:36:03] » did the um I'm sorry the um revenue that

[1:36:03] comes in um once again on the utility

[1:36:07] bill when uh someone contributes to the

[1:36:11] park fund. The general fund matches that

[1:36:15] same donation um for the library.

[1:36:20] So they have 15,000 of their own money

[1:36:22] coming in and we're putting in 15,000.

[1:36:23] Is that right?

[1:36:25] >> No, that's [clears throat] their only

[1:36:26] » No, that's [clears throat] their only

[1:36:26] that's the only funds they have in

[1:36:28] coming in besides interest income.

[1:36:31] >> So where is our

[1:36:32] » So where is our

[1:36:32] >> the parks board gets 15,000 and that

[1:36:35] » the parks board gets 15,000 and that

[1:36:35] triggers what the general fund gives

[1:36:37] parks board and library?

[1:36:38] >> Library.

[1:36:39] » Library.

[1:36:40] >> Okay.

[1:36:41] » Okay.

[1:36:41] >> But they haven't asked for any increase

[1:36:43] » But they haven't asked for any increase

[1:36:43] in any of this. The library board. Okay.

[1:36:51] Uh then on page 277

[1:36:54] is the transportation sales tax fund.

[1:36:58] And I'm not sure um if y'all want to

[1:37:02] discuss that now or if you want to take

[1:37:03] that up in capital. These are repair

[1:37:05] projects um for streets. Uh that's the

[1:37:09] purpose of the transportation sales tax.

[1:37:12] It cannot be used to create a new road

[1:37:15] um or rebuild a road. It's just for

[1:37:18] maintenance of existing roads

[1:37:23] >> and [clears throat] it's a funding

[1:37:24] » and [clears throat] it's a funding

[1:37:24] source.

[1:37:25] >> Yes. And so the um the revenue for this

[1:37:29] » Yes. And so the um the revenue for this

[1:37:29] is the uh quarter cent sales tax and

[1:37:32] interest income.

[1:37:34] And then uh the project slated for next

[1:37:38] year is a Hlet Park inter interim repair

[1:37:44] um on the HMA. I'm not sure what that

[1:37:47] stands for.

[1:37:48] Um,

[1:37:50] phase one striping plan

[1:37:53] and Bane Road reconstruction.

[1:37:56] Um, we were carrying that forward, but I

[1:37:59] think maybe it maybe needs to be put

[1:38:00] back in the current year if we're doing

[1:38:03] the ILA. Will we be doing that before

[1:38:05] October one?

[1:38:06] >> Which one?

[1:38:12] » Yeah, it's on there.

[1:38:15] >> Mhm. Yes.

[1:38:17] » Mhm. Yes.

[1:38:17] be done before.

[1:38:19] >> Okay. So, that'll be in the current

[1:38:21] » Okay. So, that'll be in the current

[1:38:21] year. Um,

[1:38:23] >> wait. So, it won't carry over is what

[1:38:24] » wait. So, it won't carry over is what

[1:38:24] you're saying because it'll be done.

[1:38:26] >> Yeah. We didn't think it was going to be

[1:38:28] » Yeah. We didn't think it was going to be

[1:38:28] done, but you all approved that ILA

[1:38:30] Monday night. Okay.

[1:38:31] >> So, um, and then, uh, Water Crest,

[1:38:36] » So, um, and then, uh, Water Crest,

[1:38:36] Verona, North Glenn, Wimberly. There's

[1:38:38] some repairs uh in water crest that um

[1:38:42] 750,000 is allocated for.

[1:38:45] >> Why did I I have written down one block

[1:38:47] » Why did I I have written down one block

[1:38:47] 500,000. I mean I see the 750. I just

[1:38:50] wonder what my notes were that I wrote

[1:38:51] down one block 500,000 next to Water

[1:38:54] Crest Verona. You'll explain that or why

[1:38:57] did I write that?

[1:38:58] >> Yes, ma'am. There was a Verona itself

[1:39:00] » Yes, ma'am. There was a Verona itself

[1:39:00] that 340 ft was about a half a million

[1:39:03] dollars.

[1:39:04] >> So that's what you

[1:39:05] » So that's what you

[1:39:05] >> in addition to the 750. Um, I believe we

[1:39:08] » in addition to the 750. Um, I believe we

[1:39:08] combined some other known um pavement

[1:39:12] repairs uh on top of that 500.

[1:39:15] >> Okay.

[1:39:15] » Okay.

[1:39:15] >> Does that make sense?

[1:39:16] » Does that make sense?

[1:39:16] >> Yes.

[1:39:17] » Yes.

[1:39:17] >> Mayor.

[1:39:18] » Mayor.

[1:39:18] >> Yes, ma'am.

[1:39:19] » Yes, ma'am.

[1:39:19] >> Can I ask um kind of why Careway keeps

[1:39:21] » Can I ask um kind of why Careway keeps

[1:39:21] getting put off? This has been a problem

[1:39:22] since the community was built. The front

[1:39:24] drainage and the side drainage like

[1:39:26] every year it just never happens. And

[1:39:29] again, it got axed for this year, it

[1:39:31] looks like, because I know we did some

[1:39:34] simple um band-aid solutions that did

[1:39:37] not work. So, do we

[1:39:40] >> It's cuz we're working.

[1:39:41] » It's cuz we're working.

[1:39:41] >> Say that again.

[1:39:43] » Say that again.

[1:39:43] >> That place, I didn't hear the question.

[1:39:45] » That place, I didn't hear the question.

[1:39:45] >> Careway, the drainage issue on the two

[1:39:47] » Careway, the drainage issue on the two

[1:39:47] entrances for Careway where there's a

[1:39:49] constant small pool of water. It keeps

[1:39:51] getting put off. I know this past year

[1:39:53] we've tried some band-aids. They

[1:39:54] >> Yeah, there were two there's two sites.

[1:39:56] » Yeah, there were two there's two sites.

[1:39:56] One is at the main entry,

[1:39:58] >> correct?

[1:39:58] » correct?

[1:39:58] >> And then the other is on is it

[1:40:01] » And then the other is on is it

[1:40:01] >> Syena

[1:40:03] » Syena

[1:40:03] >> Sienna?

[1:40:03] » Sienna?

[1:40:04] >> It's Yeah, it it's at the north entrance

[1:40:06] » It's Yeah, it it's at the north entrance

[1:40:06] of

[1:40:07] >> Right. That's on the north end.

[1:40:08] » Right. That's on the north end.

[1:40:08] >> Correct.

[1:40:09] » Correct.

[1:40:09] >> And there I know that nothing has been

[1:40:12] » And there I know that nothing has been

[1:40:12] done with regard to the main entry.

[1:40:15] >> That's always existed.

[1:40:16] » That's always existed.

[1:40:16] >> So,

[1:40:17] » So,

[1:40:17] >> and the Siana, they tried to u shave

[1:40:22] » and the Siana, they tried to u shave

[1:40:22] down the concrete.

[1:40:23] >> It didn't work.

[1:40:24] » It didn't work.

[1:40:24] >> It didn't work. Yeah. and so but yes

[1:40:28] » It didn't work. Yeah. and so but yes

[1:40:28] u Mr. Tucker has a plan of action for

[1:40:33] the entry at least that one. Tell us

[1:40:35] what that is.

[1:40:36] >> So to be clear, we did do foam

[1:40:38] » So to be clear, we did do foam

[1:40:38] injections on the entryway there. There

[1:40:41] is no way to without rebuilding that to

[1:40:44] to solve that issue. We did get minor

[1:40:47] improvement on that. I guess as you exit

[1:40:50] there in the front entrance as you exit,

[1:40:52] it's not perfect by any means, but it is

[1:40:55] not holding 4 in of water there. And and

[1:40:58] one of the reasons is these are

[1:41:01] cosmetic. I mean, they're they

[1:41:02] definitely need to be fixed. They they

[1:41:04] don't look good. They do need to be

[1:41:05] fixed, but uh the ones in Water Crest,

[1:41:07] they're drivability issues. So, as one

[1:41:09] of the reasons why the priority has been

[1:41:11] lower than what's in Water Crest and

[1:41:12] North Glenn, because those are actual

[1:41:14] pavement failures. The other ones are

[1:41:17] holding water, but the road is stable

[1:41:19] and it hasn't caused any major issue

[1:41:22] besides you're driving through water

[1:41:24] there. So, do we do we not have the

[1:41:26] ability to work on both things at the

[1:41:29] same time? Because the it looks like the

[1:41:31] budget is definitely there. And I I

[1:41:33] think I see that um Mr. Anderson has it

[1:41:37] marked as

[1:41:41] Where did it go?

[1:41:43] >> And on the interest

[1:41:44] » And on the interest

[1:41:44] >> 200,000, we could at least get the

[1:41:45] » 200,000, we could at least get the

[1:41:46] design going, I would think, to fix

[1:41:47] these roads because Careway in general

[1:41:49] has a ton of drainage issues.

[1:41:51] >> Yes.

[1:41:52] » Yes.

[1:41:52] >> Yeah. I think one of the one of the

[1:41:54] » Yeah. I think one of the one of the

[1:41:54] things that we were trying to do on the

[1:41:55] water crest uh the 750,000

[1:41:59] I believe we we had taken the 500 we had

[1:42:02] done a detailed cost estimate and

[1:42:04] concept plan for Verona Drive there were

[1:42:07] some u known deficiencies on Wimberly

[1:42:09] but those those have been or are under

[1:42:12] construction right now

[1:42:13] >> correct we're taking those out of

[1:42:14] » correct we're taking those out of

[1:42:14] >> the so so what I would recommend is

[1:42:17] » the so so what I would recommend is

[1:42:17] you're right there's 200,000 that we put

[1:42:19] in a as a wedge an estimate for the

[1:42:22] entry

[1:42:22] Um, we could look at doing trying to

[1:42:26] come up with a concept. We need to get

[1:42:28] surveying done because it's going to

[1:42:29] involve drainage or installation of a

[1:42:32] drainage um basin or an inlet as part of

[1:42:36] this next year. And if there's if we

[1:42:38] determine that it's a $150,000 fix, well

[1:42:41] then presuming Verona costs $500,000,

[1:42:44] there would be money to take care of it

[1:42:45] with that item. Well, even if we just

[1:42:47] take the Bane Road since that's going to

[1:42:48] be done and move that 200,000 to Careway

[1:42:50] so we can at least be looking at this

[1:42:53] problem instead of pushing it even

[1:42:54] further down the road because like you

[1:42:55] said, this requires investigation.

[1:42:58] Band-aids have been tried to be applied

[1:42:59] and it's not solving the issue. And I

[1:43:01] just want to make sure we're looking at

[1:43:03] both the north um entrance and the main

[1:43:07] entrance because they're they're both

[1:43:10] equally pretty bad. I actually sent a

[1:43:12] picture to Tanya. It's a constant pond.

[1:43:17] Yeah, the entry is the worst of the two.

[1:43:19] Michael,

[1:43:20] >> since you did the phone, it depends. It

[1:43:23] » since you did the phone, it depends. It

[1:43:23] honestly depends. Um, lately, I don't

[1:43:26] know if it's what you did maybe helped

[1:43:28] slightly. The entrance, in my opinion,

[1:43:30] has been slightly better, but

[1:43:32] >> yeah, just the exit coming out of there.

[1:43:33] » yeah, just the exit coming out of there.

[1:43:34] We did notice that. I mean, I feel like

[1:43:36] we got about 75% out of that and that

[1:43:39] was an improvement. We get attempted on

[1:43:40] the other one. There's very little they

[1:43:42] can do because it does either need to be

[1:43:44] reconstructed or really like you said a

[1:43:46] collector and drained it off. There's

[1:43:48] just it's so flat through there. There's

[1:43:50] no way without changing harm in there to

[1:43:53] get it to drain differently. So

[1:43:55] collecting it and having it in a storm

[1:43:57] drain is the answer in the very back.

[1:44:00] That one is seasonal. So there is parts

[1:44:02] of the year where there's so much

[1:44:03] pavement moving. There's parts of the

[1:44:04] year that it will drain. And there's

[1:44:06] also parts where we had tons of rain,

[1:44:08] tons of water, it swells and then it

[1:44:10] holds up and it's so it's hard to judge

[1:44:12] how bad that is. But the pavement is

[1:44:15] holding up. But as far as for driving

[1:44:17] through the water, it is absolutely I

[1:44:19] mean not what you want.

[1:44:20] >> As someone who walks that almost I mean

[1:44:22] » As someone who walks that almost I mean

[1:44:22] every few days, not right now because

[1:44:24] it's August, but I I've never seen a

[1:44:26] time where it's completely dried up in

[1:44:29] front of that house. I don't think even

[1:44:32] in the winter. I I've never seen it

[1:44:33] completely.

[1:44:34] >> No, it absolutely needs to be fixed. So,

[1:44:35] » No, it absolutely needs to be fixed. So,

[1:44:36] I'd love to see that done. And if that's

[1:44:38] a solution, uh, Mike, on the cost, do we

[1:44:41] ever do a cost estimate for the the one

[1:44:43] in the very back of the neighborhood?

[1:44:45] >> I think we have I think we put another

[1:44:48] » I think we have I think we put another

[1:44:48] 200,000 in there for that

[1:44:49] >> two or 250.

[1:44:50] » two or 250.

[1:44:50] >> Okay.

[1:44:51] » Okay.

[1:44:51] >> Total or for like 200,000 for one,

[1:44:53] » Total or for like 200,000 for one,

[1:44:53] 200,000 for

[1:44:54] >> for each for each.

[1:44:55] » for each for each.

[1:44:56] >> Okay. So, then question for you. With

[1:44:58] » Okay. So, then question for you. With

[1:44:58] everything else you have going on, do

[1:45:00] you think 200,000 this year is enough to

[1:45:02] get you going with other priorities or

[1:45:04] do you think you really need that full

[1:45:06] amount for both to get moving?

[1:45:08] >> I think if we're just trying to look at

[1:45:10] » I think if we're just trying to look at

[1:45:10] the design for for both of those, we

[1:45:13] could probably do that for $50,000 or

[1:45:16] less, the survey and the design.

[1:45:17] >> You also need to investigate a little

[1:45:19] » You also need to investigate a little

[1:45:19] bit, right?

[1:45:19] >> Yes, ma'am. But I we we've we've got

[1:45:22] » Yes, ma'am. But I we we've we've got

[1:45:22] enough information available from the

[1:45:24] plans and uh the geotech. So, I think if

[1:45:28] you if you wanted to get something

[1:45:29] going, just put 50,000 in there.

[1:45:32] >> I'm going to ask that the 200,000 from

[1:45:34] » I'm going to ask that the 200,000 from

[1:45:34] Bane be moved to the Careway R.

[1:45:38] >> Do we need to change the title or is

[1:45:40] » Do we need to change the title or is

[1:45:40] that current Careway RC panel

[1:45:42] replacement design repair entrance? Is

[1:45:44] that good enough for both entrances?

[1:45:45] >> Excuse me. You're moving. You want to

[1:45:47] » Excuse me. You're moving. You want to

[1:45:47] move You want to not do Bane Road.

[1:45:50] >> They're saying that it's going to be

[1:45:51] » They're saying that it's going to be

[1:45:51] done this year,

[1:45:54] >> so we won't need that. it was going to

[1:45:55] » so we won't need that. it was going to

[1:45:55] come off anyways.

[1:45:56] >> Are we certain of that?

[1:45:59] » Are we certain of that?

[1:45:59] >> You're absolutely certain of that?

[1:46:01] » You're absolutely certain of that?

[1:46:02] >> I I don't believe that I said Bane Road

[1:46:03] » I I don't believe that I said Bane Road

[1:46:03] would be done this year.

[1:46:05] >> So, no. I would recommend you not do

[1:46:08] » So, no. I would recommend you not do

[1:46:08] that.

[1:46:09] >> Bane Bane Road. Let just just so

[1:46:11] » Bane Bane Road. Let just just so

[1:46:11] everybody knows that the plan with the

[1:46:13] county based on the interlocal that you

[1:46:15] all executed on Monday. Um they're going

[1:46:18] to try to get to Bane Road first. The

[1:46:20] countyy's targeting the end of August,

[1:46:23] but it'll probably be September. And

[1:46:25] then I don't know how how and when they

[1:46:27] bill you.

[1:46:28] >> I don't know exactly how long it's going

[1:46:30] » I don't know exactly how long it's going

[1:46:30] to take them. So So Bane and Maxwell are

[1:46:33] probably will start this year, but the

[1:46:35] funds will probably need to carry over

[1:46:36] into next year. Well, I would leave it

[1:46:39] >> Bane is in the current year and I just

[1:46:42] » Bane is in the current year and I just

[1:46:42] showed it on here because at the time I

[1:46:44] did this, we didn't expect it would

[1:46:47] start before the end of the year, but I

[1:46:50] can move it back. I mean, it's not it's

[1:46:53] currently it's 26.

[1:46:56] >> So, if we start our original budget?

[1:46:58] » So, if we start our original budget?

[1:46:58] >> Yes, it was in our original budget.

[1:47:00] » Yes, it was in our original budget.

[1:47:00] >> Okay. So,

[1:47:01] » Okay. So,

[1:47:01] >> then move it back to 2526. Correct. And

[1:47:04] » then move it back to 2526. Correct. And

[1:47:04] what is not if it's not expended,

[1:47:06] >> it'll carry forward. Yes.

[1:47:07] » it'll carry forward. Yes.

[1:47:08] >> And then I think on the Careway RC panel

[1:47:09] » And then I think on the Careway RC panel

[1:47:10] we put in this year's budget. Right now

[1:47:12] it's 60,000.

[1:47:13] >> No. Well, in this

[1:47:15] » No. Well, in this

[1:47:15] >> so I say we put 60,000 in the 2020. So

[1:47:18] » so I say we put 60,000 in the 2020. So

[1:47:18] we at least put the 60 we carry that

[1:47:20] over.

[1:47:21] >> I would like to put a little bit more

[1:47:23] » I would like to put a little bit more

[1:47:23] just in case it just in case it is a

[1:47:24] simple fix and they get in there and

[1:47:27] they're like, "Hey, we we can like you

[1:47:29] said $100,000 can correct this. We have

[1:47:31] it available." And if not, it carries

[1:47:33] and it's

[1:47:34] >> So you want to double it to 120 or you

[1:47:36] » So you want to double it to 120 or you

[1:47:36] want to do um

[1:47:37] >> Sure.

[1:47:38] » Sure.

[1:47:38] >> You also have contingencies. So

[1:47:39] » You also have contingencies. So

[1:47:39] >> Sure. If we if we do 120, I feel like

[1:47:40] » Sure. If we if we do 120, I feel like

[1:47:40] that's enough to get them moving.

[1:47:42] >> So 120,000 is what we're both proposing

[1:47:45] » So 120,000 is what we're both proposing

[1:47:45] into the Careway RC panel replacement.

[1:47:49] >> Um request.

[1:47:50] » Um request.

[1:47:50] >> That's both locations.

[1:47:52] » That's both locations.

[1:47:52] >> 20.

[1:47:52] » 20.

[1:47:52] >> Yes, both locations. If we need to

[1:47:54] » Yes, both locations. If we need to

[1:47:54] change the verbiage.

[1:47:56] >> So is that an additional 60 or an

[1:47:58] » So is that an additional 60 or an

[1:47:58] additional 120?

[1:47:59] >> Public works.

[1:48:00] » Public works.

[1:48:00] >> 120 total. 122.

[1:48:02] » 120 total. 122.

[1:48:02] >> And can we just add an s to repair

[1:48:04] » And can we just add an s to repair

[1:48:04] entrances

[1:48:06] so we're clear? It's both the entrances.

[1:48:08] >> Repair entrance. What?

[1:48:09] » Repair entrance. What?

[1:48:10] >> We're just going to change put an s on

[1:48:11] » We're just going to change put an s on

[1:48:11] the end of the sentence. So it infers

[1:48:14] both entrances instead of entrance.

[1:48:16] >> Okay.

[1:48:17] » Okay.

[1:48:17] >> Is I know this has been on public works

[1:48:19] » Is I know this has been on public works

[1:48:19] and engineering's radar and list for

[1:48:22] three years at least. So I think what

[1:48:24] you're hearing from the council, come up

[1:48:26] with a solution and do it.

[1:48:28] >> Just do it.

[1:48:29] » Just do it.

[1:48:29] >> Yes. put on your Nikes and just do it.

[1:48:32] » Yes. put on your Nikes and just do it.

[1:48:32] >> Understood.

[1:48:34] » Understood.

[1:48:34] >> I was going to make a joke a while ago,

[1:48:37] » I was going to make a joke a while ago,

[1:48:37] but that our projects start from west to

[1:48:39] east. And so that's why Careway is not

[1:48:41] there yet. It's like we're on your 10ear

[1:48:42] plan, but

[1:48:44] >> carowway will love that. [laughter]

[1:48:46] » carowway will love that. [laughter]

[1:48:46] >> That was a joke. That was that was

[1:48:55] » Are we done with the special funds?

[1:48:56] >> Yes.

[1:48:57] » Yes.

[1:48:57] >> Yes, we are.

[1:48:59] » Yes, we are.

[1:49:00] All right, I propose at uh let's take a

[1:49:03] five minute break. Uh recess the open

[1:49:06] session at 10:38. We return back in five

[1:49:09] minutes. That would be good.

[1:49:24] No,

[2:03:02] Thank you. I call the uh

[2:03:06] this council meeting back into session

[2:03:09] at uh 10:52 a.m.

[2:03:13] All right. Uh thank you for the uh

[2:03:15] presentations, Marcy. Okay. We're going

[2:03:17] to pick up uh at the end of where we

[2:03:20] left off at the previous workshop and

[2:03:23] that is uh the

[2:03:27] excuse me

[2:03:29] get this turn here

[2:03:31] is the uh capital projects and uh Mr.

[2:03:37] Anderson will weave in and out during

[2:03:40] this, but we'll have water, sewer,

[2:03:44] streets, facilities, and capital

[2:03:47] equipment. That's all under capital

[2:03:49] request.

[2:03:52] Starting with the water, sewer system

[2:03:54] capital improvements.

[2:03:57] There have been uh several

[2:04:00] uh sheets developed on this. I think the

[2:04:04] one you've got in front of you right now

[2:04:08] uh is called the necessity

[2:04:12] list. Is that correct, Mr. Anderson?

[2:04:15] >> Yes, mayor. That's correct.

[2:04:16] » Yes, mayor. That's correct.

[2:04:16] >> And that's uh for four-year look at

[2:04:18] » And that's uh for four-year look at

[2:04:18] >> that's correct.

[2:04:19] » that's correct.

[2:04:19] >> Okay. Now, I will tell you is uh um

[2:04:24] » Okay. Now, I will tell you is uh um

[2:04:24] Belchiff and Associates submitted a a

[2:04:28] 10-year outlook

[2:04:31] on water, sewer, and roads. And that

[2:04:35] 10-year outlook was a now that included

[2:04:39] everybody's I'll call it wish list.

[2:04:43] And

[2:04:46] that was

[2:04:48] at that time something may have changed

[2:04:50] but it was $18

[2:04:52] million

[2:04:54] over the next 10 years. So that is an

[2:04:58] average of $10.8 million a year starting

[2:05:02] this year. That is just not feasible.

[2:05:05] And uh so I I asked uh uh Belfist

[2:05:11] Associates to produce a necessity plan.

[2:05:17] Now I was able to and what we're looking

[2:05:19] for is necessity plan over the next 10

[2:05:22] years. What we do have to present to you

[2:05:26] is four years

[2:05:28] and that is uh inclusive of the 26 27

[2:05:33] budget year.

[2:05:35] So, um, Mr. Anderson, if you want to

[2:05:38] take it from there and reference, I

[2:05:40] assume you're going to reference your

[2:05:42] printout that you have before us.

[2:05:46] Yes, Mayor. Thank you. Um, everybody

[2:05:48] have their 11 by7. We want to start, if

[2:05:52] you don't mind, with the smaller portion

[2:05:55] of projects, uh, water and sewer.

[2:05:59] >> Yes, sir. Five.

[2:06:02] » Yes, sir. Five.

[2:06:02] >> Uh, this would be um

[2:06:06] » Uh, this would be um

[2:06:06] >> three of nine. I'm sorry. Three of nine.

[2:06:08] » three of nine. I'm sorry. Three of nine.

[2:06:08] It's turned the wrong way for me.

[2:06:10] >> Here we go.

[2:06:16] » So, so as the mayor mentioned, we we do

[2:06:18] have a 10-year uh capital improvement

[2:06:20] plan that we assembled for water and

[2:06:23] sewer projects. Um those documents have

[2:06:26] put been put together in accordance with

[2:06:28] state law um to basically go through and

[2:06:31] allow us to update and amend your uh

[2:06:35] impact fee program. Uh in addition um

[2:06:39] these projects also uh help us identify

[2:06:43] improvements to the system that need to

[2:06:45] be done oversizing to certain uh

[2:06:48] facilities uh as it relates to

[2:06:51] development. So, one thing I think that

[2:06:53] might help everybody if you could also

[2:06:55] um let's pull out your water system

[2:06:59] 10-year capital improvement plan exhibit

[2:07:01] if you don't mind. That would just be

[2:07:02] this portrait exhibit labeled water down

[2:07:06] in the bottom right.

[2:07:12] And you'll note on here that there's um

[2:07:16] several projects highlighted uh

[2:07:18] approximately 10 of them in yellow on

[2:07:21] the sheet. And those have uh been

[2:07:23] developed through the modeling effort

[2:07:26] and the uh hydraulic calculations that

[2:07:29] have been performed uh during the master

[2:07:31] planning process based on uh current

[2:07:34] land use designations um as adopted by

[2:07:38] the city. Uh so you'll note that we did

[2:07:41] have some money in this budget to

[2:07:44] potentially go through and update this

[2:07:46] plan. We've we've heard discussions uh

[2:07:49] this past year about the possibility of

[2:07:51] a thoroughare plan change. There's been

[2:07:53] discussions about land use discussions

[2:07:56] and changes. And so typically what we do

[2:07:59] as the engineer with the city is we take

[2:08:03] uh assumptions whether those are roadway

[2:08:05] assumptions or land use assumptions and

[2:08:07] develop a hydraulic model and that's how

[2:08:10] we figure out what needs to be done to

[2:08:12] your system so that the water keeps

[2:08:15] flowing so to speak. Uh we meet our TCQ

[2:08:18] minimums and we provide for a reasonable

[2:08:21] level of fire protection in the city.

[2:08:23] Okay. So, this list um was developed

[2:08:26] initially back in 2021 and we kind of go

[2:08:29] through every year. It's kind of a

[2:08:30] living document, but when we need to

[2:08:32] make wholesale changes, like if you're

[2:08:34] going to change the future land use

[2:08:36] designation from let's say

[2:08:40] residential to multifamily, single

[2:08:42] family, residential, multif family,

[2:08:44] that's a different type of need from the

[2:08:46] water system. Uh, same thing could be

[2:08:49] said for fire protection for an

[2:08:51] industrial site as opposed to single

[2:08:53] family. So, just wanted to get some of

[2:08:56] that background for you. Um, you'll also

[2:08:58] note that the sheet that you have in

[2:09:00] front of you, the four-year outlook that

[2:09:01] we did, we've got one project on there.

[2:09:04] Okay. What what that means is we've got

[2:09:06] funding and we're under designer

[2:09:08] construction with the with the high

[2:09:10] priority projects, the highest priority

[2:09:12] projects, those being projects one

[2:09:14] through three. And we've got additional

[2:09:17] projects

[2:09:18] five through 10 um that need to get done

[2:09:22] at some point that are development

[2:09:23] driven. Um

[2:09:26] for instance, project 4, you'll see a a

[2:09:29] meter station improvement off Bonds

[2:09:31] Ranch Road and a transmission line as

[2:09:34] well as a second second tank at the FM

[2:09:37] 156 pump station that we're getting

[2:09:39] under construction with. Um, we know

[2:09:42] that we're going to need more water

[2:09:44] coming out of Fort Worth to serve the

[2:09:46] ultimate population of Hasslet. What we

[2:09:48] don't know is we don't know whether

[2:09:50] we're going to get that from meter

[2:09:51] station number three on Bonds Ranch Road

[2:09:53] down at the bottom of the page or if we

[2:09:56] need to pivot and go try to pull more

[2:09:59] water out of meter station 4, uh, which

[2:10:02] is over by the Harmon Road elevated tank

[2:10:04] and build a second ground storage tank

[2:10:06] over there and improve the pump station.

[2:10:08] So those those discussions are fluid and

[2:10:11] ongoing. And if you'll note over there

[2:10:13] in the remarks column far right hand

[2:10:15] side of my spreadsheet, we say city of

[2:10:17] Fort Worth coordination contract

[2:10:20] amendment may be required. So we can

[2:10:22] only pull water from them where it's

[2:10:24] available. Right? They have a very

[2:10:26] massive system. They may say, "Well, you

[2:10:29] need additional million gallons a day.

[2:10:31] We'd like you to take three quarters of

[2:10:32] it from here and a quarter of it from

[2:10:34] there." So um right now our plan is to

[2:10:39] um take water additional water needed

[2:10:41] from meter station 3 but as we move

[2:10:43] through this next year year and a half

[2:10:45] and we get into the discussions with

[2:10:47] Fort Worth that project may look a

[2:10:49] little different. We may be doing

[2:10:50] something on Harmon Road. So you know

[2:10:52] we're we're kind of beholden to TR to uh

[2:10:56] city of Fort Worth as our wholesale

[2:10:58] provider. So we have to be able to

[2:11:00] participate in projects and and do what

[2:11:02] we can to get sewer to them or water

[2:11:04] from them. So the good news is the high

[2:11:07] priority projects are are are funded

[2:11:10] under construction under design uh

[2:11:12] various stages. We do have uh one

[2:11:15] project that we anticipate needs to get

[2:11:18] started by 2728

[2:11:21] um on the on the front end of things and

[2:11:24] would need to be in place by about 29

[2:11:27] 2030. So [clears throat] um I don't know

[2:11:30] if there's any any questions

[2:11:32] specifically on on the water projects

[2:11:35] here.

[2:11:36] >> So this three and a half million sorry

[2:11:38] » So this three and a half million sorry

[2:11:38] in 2030

[2:11:40] right am I reading this correctly? Yes.

[2:11:43] >> And that's as our impact fees go down

[2:11:45] » And that's as our impact fees go down

[2:11:45] because we won't be having residential

[2:11:46] buildout anymore.

[2:11:48] >> Am I right, Marcy?

[2:11:51] » Am I right, Marcy?

[2:11:51] >> Yeah.

[2:11:51] » Yeah.

[2:11:52] >> I I would like to qualify. Impact fees

[2:11:55] » I I would like to qualify. Impact fees

[2:11:55] are not solely dependent upon

[2:11:57] residential. Any project that gets built

[2:12:01] that requires water and sewer will

[2:12:04] collect whether it's residential uh

[2:12:08] commercial retail or industrial

[2:12:12] facilities collect impact fees.

[2:12:14] >> Sure. But my point is we don't have an

[2:12:17] » Sure. But my point is we don't have an

[2:12:17] unending supply of money coming in

[2:12:19] because some of those impact fees are

[2:12:20] going to go away.

[2:12:21] >> That will Yes.

[2:12:22] » That will Yes.

[2:12:22] >> That's what I'm trying to say. So when

[2:12:24] » That's what I'm trying to say. So when

[2:12:24] I'm I'm not trying to jump on you or be

[2:12:26] rude. Please don't take it that I'm just

[2:12:28] trying trying to say 2930 when we need

[2:12:31] three and a half million. We don't know

[2:12:33] where that three and a half million is

[2:12:34] going to come from. That's the problem.

[2:12:36] >> We don't um one of the things that

[2:12:38] » We don't um one of the things that

[2:12:38] [clears throat] the mayor asked me to

[2:12:39] do, you'll see that funding column right

[2:12:41] there on the next to status kind of in

[2:12:44] front of it's cut off. It says impact

[2:12:46] fee eligible

[2:12:47] >> and then there's a funding status and we

[2:12:49] » and then there's a funding status and we

[2:12:49] have if

[2:12:52] right so what we were trying to do there

[2:12:54] is say a potential funding mechanism for

[2:12:56] that. Yes sir. Water sewer water sewer

[2:12:58] rates.

[2:12:59] >> And one of the things I wanted to bring

[2:13:01] » And one of the things I wanted to bring

[2:13:01] up and we we'll get more into this as we

[2:13:03] reconvene with the CIA and back into our

[2:13:06] discussions on the impact fee. Um

[2:13:09] Hasslet's really missed the the

[2:13:12] opportunity to capture the the the water

[2:13:15] and sewer impact fees based on

[2:13:17] residential development. The mayor spoke

[2:13:19] to that. You can look at the land use

[2:13:20] plan and see that there's very limited

[2:13:23] potential future single family

[2:13:24] residential growth in the city. Um there

[2:13:27] is uh quite quite a bit more potential

[2:13:30] for industrial commercial type growth in

[2:13:33] the city. One of the things that we'll

[2:13:35] need to look at for you all moving

[2:13:37] forward is the potential that the impact

[2:13:40] fees. You may want to do away with your

[2:13:42] impact fees. And as a project comes in,

[2:13:45] you look at the needs of the system and

[2:13:48] you negotiate or help the uh particular

[2:13:51] development come in and pay for a

[2:13:53] certain portion of some of these

[2:13:55] projects because an impact fee is

[2:13:57] basically we take all these these

[2:14:00] projects and I'm just I'm simplifying

[2:14:02] this here. take all these 10 projects,

[2:14:04] they add up to hund00 million. We cut it

[2:14:06] in half because we have to give them 50%

[2:14:08] credit, that being the developer, and

[2:14:10] then we're charging 50 million or we're

[2:14:12] trying to recoup $50 million over that

[2:14:15] expected growth during this next 10-year

[2:14:18] planning period. Well, if we don't

[2:14:20] anticipate much residential growth, that

[2:14:22] number becomes extremely high, right?

[2:14:25] Instead of $2,000 per lot, it could be

[2:14:27] $47,000 if you're trying to pay for

[2:14:30] everything with impact fees. So the

[2:14:32] other option is to work with development

[2:14:35] as they come in and get things built on

[2:14:38] an asneeded basis with a particular

[2:14:40] project. A great example of this is the

[2:14:44] Harmon Road Blue Mountain intersection

[2:14:46] for the for the Ironwood project. Now

[2:14:48] that's a street project, but it'll work

[2:14:49] for this uh example that I'm going to

[2:14:52] give you. uh your your ordinance says

[2:14:55] they have to build their prorat a share

[2:14:58] of whatever is necessary for the

[2:14:59] adjacent roadway. We negotiated with the

[2:15:03] developer to come in and reconstruct

[2:15:04] that entire intersection, right? As part

[2:15:07] of the pre-annexation deal that was

[2:15:09] negotiated with the developer. So that

[2:15:12] same type of concept can and probably

[2:15:14] should be applied to future water and

[2:15:16] sewer projects. And one of the things

[2:15:18] that we're trying to move forward with

[2:15:20] as we reconvene with the with the CIA

[2:15:23] and and all the laws have changed and

[2:15:25] it's it's getting harder and harder for

[2:15:27] cities to pay for things with impact

[2:15:30] fees is where this is going. And so I

[2:15:32] think one of the things that we probably

[2:15:34] should look at in conjunction with any

[2:15:36] changes to the Thoroughare plan or the

[2:15:38] land use plan is a wholesale look and

[2:15:41] discussion about how these projects may

[2:15:44] be may be funded in the future because

[2:15:45] you're right, the impact fees are going

[2:15:47] down. The impact fees um weren't high

[2:15:49] enough to begin with and a lot of those

[2:15:51] impact fees as you can see going through

[2:15:53] the records here have been rebated or

[2:15:56] credited back. Right? So you're you're

[2:15:58] kind of you're running out of you're

[2:16:00] running out of those impact fees to pay

[2:16:02] for future improvements.

[2:16:03] >> The only as I'm going to add to that

[2:16:06] » The only as I'm going to add to that

[2:16:06] well one uh current legislation or the

[2:16:09] legislation on that um

[2:16:14] infrastructure reimbursement by

[2:16:16] developers has to be studied. Uh the uh

[2:16:20] impact fee is

[2:16:24] for the most part has been used to

[2:16:28] when these water and sewer lines were

[2:16:31] upgraded

[2:16:33] and anticipation of development coming

[2:16:37] the impact fee. legislation allowed

[2:16:42] the municipality to charge that

[2:16:45] development a certain amount of money.

[2:16:48] It was pre-built. Now you're going to

[2:16:50] pay your fair share of that line. That's

[2:16:52] one aspect of it. But also the impact

[2:16:54] fee is collected to build a requirement

[2:17:00] of a water and sewer line to serve a

[2:17:03] particular development.

[2:17:06] The only um

[2:17:11] now what we do charge is maximum allowed

[2:17:14] by law.

[2:17:16] We do do that.

[2:17:20] But the negotiation

[2:17:23] u I will that's that's good if it works

[2:17:26] but that's a casebyase basis. We'll have

[2:17:29] to study that uh explicitly and see um

[2:17:34] if that is viable. The project that uh

[2:17:38] Mr. Anderson spoke of is that was a very

[2:17:42] unique case.

[2:17:44] Developer wanted that project that bad.

[2:17:49] He goes, "Okay, I'll build the road."

[2:17:53] And um it worked out well. And he was in

[2:17:57] fact he was rather generous, very

[2:17:59] generous in doing so. That's a $4

[2:18:02] million piece of roadway he's building

[2:18:05] at his total cost. Anyway, the the but

[2:18:09] yes, these are conversations that we

[2:18:11] have to have, but we have to uh exercise

[2:18:14] sound judgment. Right now, we got the uh

[2:18:16] uh legislation, the state law behind us

[2:18:19] with regard to impact fees.

[2:18:22] >> Go ahead.

[2:18:23] » Go ahead.

[2:18:23] >> I think we just need to plan because if,

[2:18:27] » I think we just need to plan because if,

[2:18:27] as you said, our impact fees are going

[2:18:28] down and our impact needs are still

[2:18:30] going to be there and we're going to

[2:18:31] need this is just one project three and

[2:18:33] a half million in four years from now.

[2:18:36] So, this is what I was trying to get to

[2:18:37] earlier about we need to have a 5year

[2:18:39] lookout or a 10ear lookout or whatever

[2:18:40] of all of this because our funding

[2:18:43] sources are going to change and our

[2:18:45] needs are going to go up and we're going

[2:18:47] to have projects to do and we can't just

[2:18:49] all of a sudden say, "Oh, well, we need

[2:18:51] a $100 million bond." I mean, that

[2:18:52] doesn't work. So we just need to start

[2:18:54] looking at you know are there ways that

[2:18:56] we can plan for the future that makes it

[2:19:00] not such extremes

[2:19:02] >> and we are just to give you insight on

[2:19:05] » and we are just to give you insight on

[2:19:05] that Marcy and I have uh had over the

[2:19:08] many many months have discussions what

[2:19:10] we're doing is assembling these I'll

[2:19:14] call it the 10-year necessity plans

[2:19:19] on water sewer roads and capital

[2:19:22] equipment We got scheduled departments

[2:19:25] have scheduled capital equipment that's

[2:19:27] coming. We know when it's coming and

[2:19:30] that is uh runs into the millions of

[2:19:32] dollars and but to put that in front of

[2:19:37] u our um

[2:19:40] broker

[2:19:42] but what do we call him?

[2:19:43] >> They're financial advisor hilltop.

[2:19:47] » They're financial advisor hilltop.

[2:19:47] Hilltop and look at now that's all

[2:19:50] pointed towards bonds. But how can we

[2:19:54] structure that over the years

[2:19:58] and keep the tax rate somewhat

[2:20:01] consistent

[2:20:05] and that would be one piece of that will

[2:20:08] go into a plan. But that yes, bonds uh

[2:20:12] you know I think it was 22 that we took

[2:20:16] uh uh bond out $17 million and the great

[2:20:21] majority of that was all water and sewer

[2:20:24] every bit of it. Uh so but that project

[2:20:27] is addressing uh projects that we're

[2:20:30] building now.

[2:20:33] >> So

[2:20:35] » So

[2:20:36] >> Mayor,

[2:20:36] » Mayor,

[2:20:36] >> yes, a plan is needed. Yes, ma'am. Um, I

[2:20:39] » yes, a plan is needed. Yes, ma'am. Um, I

[2:20:39] have a few questions. Um, so you were,

[2:20:41] it shows on here four, which I love how

[2:20:44] it all connects now that I'm

[2:20:45] understanding your charts. One, two,

[2:20:47] three are in process this year. Is that

[2:20:49] my understanding?

[2:20:51] >> They're either completed or they're

[2:20:53] » They're either completed or they're

[2:20:53] funded and under construction or design.

[2:20:56] So, we were just trying to um basically

[2:21:00] capture what was not currently funded,

[2:21:03] but identified as a need, if that makes

[2:21:06] sense.

[2:21:06] >> Got it. I would still love to see five

[2:21:08] » Got it. I would still love to see five

[2:21:08] through 10 just so we can see the pro

[2:21:10] projection. I I don't want information

[2:21:12] hidden from me so I could better

[2:21:13] understand it. I'd just rather have it

[2:21:15] highlighted. Um but for um

[2:21:21] number five, are are we even though

[2:21:24] we're not looking at starting these

[2:21:25] right now, we know this is incoming

[2:21:28] items that we have to do to keep our

[2:21:30] city running. Like number five, are we

[2:21:31] working on grants for that? because

[2:21:33] grants I mean the water tank

[2:21:36] rehabilitation I mean we could easily

[2:21:39] well not we have a good shot at a grant

[2:21:42] um that could cover it from um I always

[2:21:46] get the acronymics up TWWDB grants

[2:21:48] they're pretty common especially for

[2:21:50] small cities like us are we looking into

[2:21:52] those items because th they can cover up

[2:21:54] to 100% of the water tower rehab

[2:21:57] >> yeah we've we've got um we we haven't

[2:22:00] » yeah we've we've got um we we haven't

[2:22:00] looked into a grant for the rehab there

[2:22:03] funding that was part of the 2022

[2:22:06] issuance um specifically for that

[2:22:09] project. So, I don't know if that may or

[2:22:11] may or may not create a problem, but um

[2:22:14] we are aware of the the different um

[2:22:17] TWWDB grants and um we we've got um two

[2:22:23] of those that we're looking at and

[2:22:24] trying to uh work in on the drainage

[2:22:27] side um this fall, but um we don't have

[2:22:32] anything like teed up and ready to go

[2:22:35] for that particular project,

[2:22:38] >> but we do have the uh

[2:22:40] » but we do have the uh

[2:22:40] rehabilitation of that tank funded.

[2:22:43] >> Yes, sir.

[2:22:43] » Yes, sir.

[2:22:43] >> Fully funded.

[2:22:44] » Fully funded.

[2:22:44] >> Yes.

[2:22:45] » Yes.

[2:22:45] >> Yes.

[2:22:46] » Yes.

[2:22:46] >> Through that through the bond that we

[2:22:48] » Through that through the bond that we

[2:22:48] took out in 22.

[2:22:49] >> Yeah. It was 750,000 is what we estimate

[2:22:52] » Yeah. It was 750,000 is what we estimate

[2:22:52] to paint that tank

[2:22:55] >> and but back in 2022.

[2:22:58] » and but back in 2022.

[2:22:58] >> Yeah. That I I think it was a healthy it

[2:23:01] » Yeah. That I I think it was a healthy it

[2:23:01] was a healthy budget that was put

[2:23:02] together in 22.

[2:23:04] So, if we were to apply for a grant and

[2:23:07] get it, there's no way for us to

[2:23:08] reimburse the bond. Wouldn't it be

[2:23:10] better for us to get a free grant then?

[2:23:12] And this is part of the reason why you

[2:23:13] got to be careful when you take bonds

[2:23:15] when you're not ready.

[2:23:16] >> I'd have to consult, we'd have to

[2:23:17] » I'd have to consult, we'd have to

[2:23:17] consult with Hill uh Hilltop and Marcy

[2:23:21] and I.

[2:23:21] >> But I think this is a really see how

[2:23:23] » But I think this is a really see how

[2:23:23] that would work.

[2:23:24] >> Good example of why you don't pre-take a

[2:23:25] » Good example of why you don't pre-take a

[2:23:25] bond before you're ready to move

[2:23:28] into the active construction or phase of

[2:23:32] it. Because I mean this could

[2:23:34] potentially cost us a 100% grant where

[2:23:38] the city wouldn't have had to pay

[2:23:39] anything.

[2:23:40] >> Make note of that.

[2:23:41] » Make note of that.

[2:23:41] >> Why did we pre like why did we move

[2:23:44] » Why did we pre like why did we move

[2:23:44] forward with the bond so early for

[2:23:45] something we're not even working on

[2:23:47] actively?

[2:23:48] >> We had it planned,

[2:23:50] » We had it planned,

[2:23:50] >> but we're not doing it right now.

[2:23:51] » but we're not doing it right now.

[2:23:51] >> We had it planned. Engineering, you want

[2:23:53] » We had it planned. Engineering, you want

[2:23:53] to address that?

[2:23:55] >> So the the rehab of that tank could not

[2:23:57] » So the the rehab of that tank could not

[2:23:57] occur until the pump station is up up

[2:23:59] and running. Uh, one of the things that

[2:24:02] was asked of engineering and public

[2:24:05] works back when the bond was

[2:24:06] contemplated was um, in addition to the

[2:24:10] hydraulic improvements and storage

[2:24:12] improvements, pumping, were there any

[2:24:15] uh, known um,

[2:24:18] uh, maintenance type projects? And that

[2:24:22] was one of them that was determined to

[2:24:24] be necessary due to the tank

[2:24:26] inspections.

[2:24:28] >> Okay. If we pull a bond, it just seems

[2:24:31] » Okay. If we pull a bond, it just seems

[2:24:31] like we have a responsibility at that

[2:24:34] point to ensure that those projects are

[2:24:35] moving forward and not re prioritizing

[2:24:39] without that consideration. It's just a

[2:24:41] little interesting that we pulled a bond

[2:24:43] for back in 2022.

[2:24:46] Did we even apply for grants then?

[2:24:48] >> A grant?

[2:24:49] » A grant?

[2:24:49] >> Yes.

[2:24:50] » Yes.

[2:24:50] >> No, I didn't apply for grant.

[2:24:51] » No, I didn't apply for grant.

[2:24:51] >> Why would we not apply for grants?

[2:24:53] » Why would we not apply for grants?

[2:24:53] >> I apply for grants that I'm aware of.

[2:24:57] » I apply for grants that I'm aware of.

[2:24:57] Were you aware of it? Yes.

[2:25:00] >> In 22

[2:25:01] » In 22

[2:25:01] >> I'm aware of grants for water towers

[2:25:04] » I'm aware of grants for water towers

[2:25:04] >> for in 22 you were

[2:25:06] » for in 22 you were

[2:25:06] >> okay let's get back on track and not get

[2:25:07] » okay let's get back on track and not get

[2:25:07] into arguments please I don't know

[2:25:10] >> understood you know is uh a lot of this

[2:25:13] » understood you know is uh a lot of this

[2:25:13] is planning the you know there are some

[2:25:15] projects that we have are dependent upon

[2:25:19] others the this new uh uh $5.6 6 million

[2:25:26] pump station project we're doing is key

[2:25:28] to other projects and we cannot pursue

[2:25:31] until that's done. That pump station

[2:25:33] project has drugged out longer than what

[2:25:35] we expected. It just has and so we can't

[2:25:40] do the water tower rehabilitation till

[2:25:44] that project's online because that

[2:25:47] project is getting a new 1 million

[2:25:50] gallon ground storage tank. We have to

[2:25:53] have the storage capacity to take the

[2:25:55] tower offline.

[2:25:56] >> I understand.

[2:25:57] » I understand.

[2:25:57] >> So there there are things that

[2:26:02] are dependent upon the other. Some

[2:26:04] things end up moving slower than what we

[2:26:07] expected.

[2:26:07] >> I do understand that.

[2:26:08] » I do understand that.

[2:26:08] >> Okay. Well, then that's why it wasn't

[2:26:11] » Okay. Well, then that's why it wasn't

[2:26:11] intentionally let's take let's borrow

[2:26:13] money uh and we consciously know we're

[2:26:16] going to wait four years before we ever

[2:26:18] spend any of it. No, that that is not

[2:26:21] the thought process. Yes, Mr. Mayor.

[2:26:22] >> Yes.

[2:26:23] » Yes.

[2:26:23] >> None of that has anything to do with her

[2:26:24] » None of that has anything to do with her

[2:26:24] fundamental question.

[2:26:26] >> Her fundamental her fundamental question

[2:26:27] » Her fundamental her fundamental question

[2:26:27] is why May I finish speaking, please?

[2:26:31] You recognize me and I'm not done

[2:26:32] speaking

[2:26:33] >> before we're ready to do anything.

[2:26:35] » before we're ready to do anything.

[2:26:35] >> You recognized me and I wasn't done

[2:26:36] » You recognized me and I wasn't done

[2:26:36] speaking.

[2:26:37] >> Anyway, we go ahead please.

[2:26:40] » Anyway, we go ahead please.

[2:26:40] >> Thank you. You're all that big

[2:26:43] » Thank you. You're all that big

[2:26:43] discussion that big explanation had

[2:26:44] nothing to do with her fundamental

[2:26:45] question. Her fundamental question was

[2:26:48] why didn't we try for bonds before we

[2:26:50] went for I mean for grants before we

[2:26:52] went for a bond. That's the fundamental

[2:26:53] question. All of the things you said is

[2:26:55] correct. We have to do this before that.

[2:26:57] >> Yeah.

[2:26:57] » Yeah.

[2:26:57] >> That doesn't speak to her fundamental

[2:26:58] » That doesn't speak to her fundamental

[2:26:58] question.

[2:26:59] >> The the well I I thought I answered

[2:27:01] » The the well I I thought I answered

[2:27:01] [clears throat] that. No one in the

[2:27:03] city, no one public works engineering

[2:27:07] partners with engineering was aware of

[2:27:10] any grants for tank rehabilitation.

[2:27:15] No one was aware of it.

[2:27:20] » That's a simple answer.

[2:27:23] >> Okay.

[2:27:25] » Okay.

[2:27:25] >> Okay. Thank you. Can we move on, please?

[2:27:29] » Okay. Thank you. Can we move on, please?

[2:27:29] Anything

[2:27:34] else on water capital?

[2:27:39] » Um, Mike, I just wanted to point out for

[2:27:42] them on or you're you're moving to sewer

[2:27:46] next.

[2:27:47] >> Go ahead, Marcy.

[2:27:48] » Go ahead, Marcy.

[2:27:48] >> Okay. Um, I was just going to point out

[2:27:50] » Okay. Um, I was just going to point out

[2:27:50] on page 283 in the water capital

[2:27:56] um

[2:27:57] >> 283

[2:28:00] in the book

[2:28:01] >> 283. Um, just to show that the water

[2:28:05] » 283. Um, just to show that the water

[2:28:05] rate study, the items on Mike's sheet

[2:28:08] from 2627,

[2:28:12] the water rate study for 10,000 and the

[2:28:16] sewer rate study for 10,000.

[2:28:19] Those are listed um

[2:28:22] on I I gave you the wrong sheet. I'm

[2:28:25] sorry. Let's see.

[2:28:29] I moved on to my head.

[2:28:40] Page 163. I'm sorry.

[2:28:44] >> 163.

[2:28:45] » 163.

[2:28:45] >> Yes.

[2:28:47] » Yes.

[2:28:47] So, $20,000 for water and sewer rate

[2:28:50] study is in there

[2:28:52] on Mike's project S5 in the sewer.

[2:28:58] 165,000

[2:29:00] um for design and engineering is funded

[2:29:04] on that page. And then his project S6

[2:29:10] um 130,000

[2:29:12] for design and engineering

[2:29:15] is funded.

[2:29:17] Um just just so you know where those

[2:29:20] are. The development participation

[2:29:23] um is also funded

[2:29:27] um in the water fund

[2:29:31] and

[2:29:33] the INI reduction is on this page

[2:29:37] 100,000

[2:29:41] um develop developer participation is

[2:29:45] combined 515 for both water and sewer is

[2:29:50] that um 103,000.

[2:29:54] So everything that's under his 2627

[2:29:58] column on this page is

[2:30:00] >> funded right there.

[2:30:02] » funded right there.

[2:30:02] >> And I'm sorry, mayor, I do have a just a

[2:30:05] » And I'm sorry, mayor, I do have a just a

[2:30:05] few more small questions. Um to go back,

[2:30:08] Mike, you said that we have 750,000.

[2:30:12] Have we scheduled an inspection to get

[2:30:14] an estimate of really the condition in

[2:30:18] >> Yeah.

[2:30:20] » Yeah.

[2:30:20] When's your last when was your last

[2:30:21] Harmon inspection?

[2:30:23] >> Uh, usually it's right around the o

[2:30:24] » Uh, usually it's right around the o

[2:30:24] October. There's another one already

[2:30:26] scheduled. It's going to happen in uh

[2:30:28] November this year, but we do an annual

[2:30:30] inspection by dive and uh basically

[2:30:33] there's no the coating is long past

[2:30:35] needing to be replaced. There's nothing

[2:30:37] that's critical in that tank that's but

[2:30:39] you don't want to get to a level that's

[2:30:41] ever critical. So there is starting to

[2:30:44] be rust and stuff showing on the outside

[2:30:46] of it on the tank. On the inside, there

[2:30:48] is expected blistering, but like there's

[2:30:50] no major

[2:30:53] flaw in it, but it is overdue and should

[2:30:56] be recoded. That's the main need for

[2:30:58] that tank.

[2:30:59] >> So, I'm just going to highly suggest

[2:31:01] » So, I'm just going to highly suggest

[2:31:01] that we reook at our estimate because

[2:31:04] 750,000 I I would put money on it is not

[2:31:07] correct. Um, if from what he's saying

[2:31:11] with the rust and coating and also if

[2:31:14] we're we're repainting the outside,

[2:31:17] I think it's a lot higher than you think

[2:31:19] right now. So, I would just suggest a

[2:31:21] full estimate done by the city to

[2:31:23] prepare for that because it's a pretty

[2:31:25] significant expense, especially if we

[2:31:27] already have a bond and we're depending

[2:31:28] on the money from the bond. If it is

[2:31:31] going to cost more, maybe we can apply

[2:31:32] for a grant for partial and get some

[2:31:34] assistance. So, since it's the next item

[2:31:37] on the priority list, I'm just

[2:31:39] suggesting we start looking at it this

[2:31:40] year. And I followed that up with a

[2:31:43] question of if we were to do that, how

[2:31:44] much do you guys think you would need to

[2:31:46] be on the when they do the dive, do they

[2:31:48] give you a workup of the estimate?

[2:31:51] When's the last time we had that done?

[2:31:52] >> So, when we the divers, what they look

[2:31:55] » So, when we the divers, what they look

[2:31:55] at is they basically look at blistering

[2:31:57] in the co c coatings. They look for any

[2:32:00] like major defect that you just can't

[2:32:02] visually see from the water line that.

[2:32:05] So, we're not they're not giving us

[2:32:07] anything beyond it needs to be recoded.

[2:32:11] So, that our assumption is that tank

[2:32:13] will need to be drained, sandlasted, and

[2:32:15] recoded the same as it would before. And

[2:32:18] I believe we had a pretty good number

[2:32:20] recently on that of what they expected

[2:32:23] that to be. I thought that that 750 was

[2:32:26] thought to be pretty good, but we can we

[2:32:28] can look back at that and see.

[2:32:33] » And I I'm not speaking for that company

[2:32:35] or my husband, but this is what my

[2:32:37] husband does. He does water towers and

[2:32:39] he's saying he suggests that you guys

[2:32:41] look into this because the budget you're

[2:32:43] stating

[2:32:46] >> I'm just suggesting you look into it and

[2:32:47] » I'm just suggesting you look into it and

[2:32:47] that's where my information and

[2:32:48] knowledge is coming from. this is what

[2:32:50] he does and he's just suggesting you

[2:32:53] take another look.

[2:32:54] >> We can do that.

[2:32:54] » We can do that.

[2:32:54] >> That's all I'm saying.

[2:32:55] » That's all I'm saying.

[2:32:55] >> Oh, that's fine.

[2:32:56] » Oh, that's fine.

[2:32:56] >> Because I am I am not um this is not

[2:32:59] » Because I am I am not um this is not

[2:32:59] where my knowledge comes from, but I

[2:33:00] wanted you to understand why I'm

[2:33:01] questioning it.

[2:33:02] >> No, I understand. We've we've my office

[2:33:05] » No, I understand. We've we've my office

[2:33:05] has done three of these in the last

[2:33:07] three years. The latest one we did uh we

[2:33:10] did two over in Shady Shores and Lake

[2:33:12] Dallas, and they were about a half a

[2:33:14] million each. They were the uh one was a

[2:33:17] legged style tank.

[2:33:19] >> The other one was a spheroid like the

[2:33:21] » The other one was a spheroid like the

[2:33:21] golf ball T.

[2:33:22] >> So quite a bit more prep and work and

[2:33:24] » So quite a bit more prep and work and

[2:33:24] full containment. Um but and that's um

[2:33:28] that's kind of what we had based our

[2:33:29] number off of. This one's a little bit

[2:33:31] >> less surface area. It's a little bit

[2:33:33] » less surface area. It's a little bit

[2:33:33] larger diameter. But what I can do is um

[2:33:36] let me go uh get on one of the bid

[2:33:39] networks and find a recent bid tab. And

[2:33:42] then I can also check with uh Teneemic

[2:33:45] and Sherwin Williams.

[2:33:46] >> Yeah, you can also call any of the

[2:33:48] » Yeah, you can also call any of the

[2:33:48] companies. I know that would mean they

[2:33:50] possibly potentially I don't know how

[2:33:51] that works for them then bidding for us,

[2:33:53] but

[2:33:54] >> they'll get out to you pretty fa fast

[2:33:55] » they'll get out to you pretty fa fast

[2:33:55] and give you an accurate estimate just

[2:33:57] for

[2:33:58] >> the idea that if we are needing it, we

[2:34:00] » the idea that if we are needing it, we

[2:34:00] need to get ahead of the grant not

[2:34:01] necessarily to move forward on the work.

[2:34:04] >> Understand?

[2:34:04] » Understand?

[2:34:04] >> What agency is that grant through? I'd

[2:34:07] » What agency is that grant through? I'd

[2:34:07] like to write it down.

[2:34:08] >> TWWDB Mike County region. No,

[2:34:12] » TWWDB Mike County region. No,

[2:34:12] >> no. Texas Water Development Board,

[2:34:14] » no. Texas Water Development Board,

[2:34:14] >> yeah,

[2:34:14] » yeah,

[2:34:14] >> is one of them.

[2:34:15] » is one of them.

[2:34:15] >> There's there's a ton of them. That's

[2:34:17] » There's there's a ton of them. That's

[2:34:17] just one of the main ones. I mean,

[2:34:19] there's like a dozen if you do a quick

[2:34:21] search.

[2:34:22] >> But, I mean, it's interesting just the

[2:34:24] » But, I mean, it's interesting just the

[2:34:24] water tower information just as we

[2:34:26] actually had a company within our city

[2:34:28] limits that builds water towers. I'm

[2:34:30] just surprised we haven't communicated

[2:34:32] with them. I know they've recently moved

[2:34:33] out, but I mean, Landmark Towers is

[2:34:36] here. Yeah, we uh negotiated with them

[2:34:40] 20 some odd years ago

[2:34:43] >> for that water tower.

[2:34:44] » for that water tower.

[2:34:44] >> Yeah,

[2:34:45] » Yeah,

[2:34:45] >> they built that water tower.

[2:34:47] » they built that water tower.

[2:34:47] >> Yep.

[2:34:47] » Yep.

[2:34:48] >> They donated the property.

[2:34:49] » They donated the property.

[2:34:49] >> I know.

[2:34:51] » I know.

[2:34:51] >> So, well, very good. So, uh we uh but

[2:34:55] » So, well, very good. So, uh we uh but

[2:34:55] they sold their business.

[2:34:57] >> Understood.

[2:34:57] » Understood.

[2:34:57] >> They're no longer in business.

[2:34:58] » They're no longer in business.

[2:34:58] >> They are in business. My husband works

[2:35:00] » They are in business. My husband works

[2:35:00] for them.

[2:35:00] >> Okay. Well, they don't work there

[2:35:02] » Okay. Well, they don't work there

[2:35:02] anymore.

[2:35:03] >> Correct.

[2:35:04] » Correct.

[2:35:04] >> Good. Um, Mr. Anderson, please continue.

[2:35:11] » Good. Um, Mr. Anderson, please continue.

[2:35:11] >> Okay. Uh, let's go to our sewer projects

[2:35:13] » Okay. Uh, let's go to our sewer projects

[2:35:13] real quick. The good news is Marcy said

[2:35:16] everything's in the budget. So, we'll

[2:35:17] we'll walk through the the next list of

[2:35:20] uh sewer projects. See if you have any

[2:35:22] questions there and then we can get into

[2:35:25] streets and drainage. So, sewer is on

[2:35:27] the same sheet. There's two projects on

[2:35:29] there. Um,

[2:35:34] I don't know who's James. Are you got do

[2:35:36] you have the screen? Can we get it to

[2:35:37] sewer?

[2:35:40] >> Oh, mayor, can you can you slide to uh

[2:35:43] » Oh, mayor, can you can you slide to uh

[2:35:43] sewer projects for me, please, sir?

[2:35:46] Thank you. Okay, so uh we've got sewer

[2:35:50] project S5 and S6

[2:35:53] um currently

[2:35:55] uh in this next year's budget. Uh

[2:35:59] Buffalo Creek sewer is um a necessary

[2:36:04] upgrade to the downstream leg of the

[2:36:08] Buffalo Creek sewer system that was put

[2:36:10] in and designed back when um

[2:36:14] the city was contemplating halfacre

[2:36:16] lots. And so that uh 15inch line needs

[2:36:20] to go to a 21. There's also a small

[2:36:23] piece of sewer. Let me just see if I can

[2:36:26] show you real quick. Maybe

[2:36:29] It's not working.

[2:36:32] There's a

[2:36:34] Well, it was working earlier. There it

[2:36:36] goes. There's a portion of um

[2:36:40] of sewer that needs to be rerouted

[2:36:42] through the uh TR meter station that's

[2:36:45] about to get under construction as well.

[2:36:47] So, that's a uh basically a $1.8 million

[2:36:52] uh capital project. That is an impact

[2:36:54] fee eligible project. We are asking for

[2:36:58] 165,000

[2:37:00] this next year to get the design

[2:37:02] completed and work through uh easement

[2:37:06] acquisitions.

[2:37:07] There are um let's see if I could show

[2:37:10] you here.

[2:37:13] » Yeah, if you don't mind. I don't know

[2:37:14] how to do that.

[2:37:23] » Okay. Okay. So, what we have up on the

[2:37:25] screen, we're we're at the end of the

[2:37:26] runway. This is Westport Parkway. The

[2:37:29] the orange line you see is the 21in line

[2:37:33] that's coming in from TRA with a project

[2:37:35] that's about to get under construction.

[2:37:37] And then we have our meter station here

[2:37:40] located in this fenced area. We have to

[2:37:43] reroute a portion of the city's existing

[2:37:46] what used to be an 8 inch line that you

[2:37:48] can kind of see here is dashed. that has

[2:37:51] to get rerouted back through the the

[2:37:54] back side of the meter station. Um TR

[2:37:58] was not able to include that in their

[2:38:00] scope of the project because they did

[2:38:01] not um they didn't have any assets over

[2:38:04] there uh beyond our meter. So that is a

[2:38:08] project that um we've got survey done.

[2:38:11] We've got the easement documents done.

[2:38:13] We've got a appraisal done for one of

[2:38:16] the parcels. So, we're we're well on our

[2:38:18] way to having that project uh designed

[2:38:21] in anticipation of going to construction

[2:38:24] uh this next fiscal year. And then the

[2:38:27] rest of that project would include

[2:38:29] replacement of the undersized 15

[2:38:33] generally shown on this screen here from

[2:38:35] the meter station uh up at the top of

[2:38:37] the sheet. Uh basically down through

[2:38:40] Harmon Road, you see Harmon Road. Um, so

[2:38:44] that's uh that's the uh imminent need

[2:38:47] for uh sewer on Buffalo Creek. That is

[2:38:50] project S5.

[2:38:54] Um, Brentwood,

[2:38:58] walk you through that real quick. Uh,

[2:39:00] one of the um benefits of building the

[2:39:11] fire station sewer in accordance with

[2:39:13] the city's uh master plan was the

[2:39:17] ability to uh provide

[2:39:20] firsttime sewer service to the uh

[2:39:23] Brentwood neighborhood.

[2:39:27] There's currently only a small portion

[2:39:29] of the neighborhood adjacent to 156 with

[2:39:31] with sewer. So, you can see on my screen

[2:39:35] or on your screen here, you got this

[2:39:36] solid red line. That's the fire station

[2:39:38] sewer line that was uh recently

[2:39:41] completed to serve the fire station. The

[2:39:43] the area in blue is the sewer basin that

[2:39:46] that line will be able to serve. Um, now

[2:39:49] that that facility is in place, you can

[2:39:51] note it extends down through Hue White

[2:39:53] and includes a portion of Blue Mount

[2:39:55] Hill over adjacent to North Glenn. That

[2:39:58] being said, uh, you'll note that

[2:40:00] Brentwood uh, has the ability to be

[2:40:03] served. You can note the drainage

[2:40:05] divide. So, basically everything left of

[2:40:08] the blue line currently has sewer out to

[2:40:10] 156 due to the topography. Anything to

[2:40:13] the right doesn't currently have sewer,

[2:40:15] um, public sewer, I should say. And so,

[2:40:19] um, there's a project that we've, uh,

[2:40:21] conceptualized and got in the budget,

[2:40:24] um, for extension of the of a sewer main

[2:40:28] into the subdivision. So, this is a

[2:40:30] property map developed for the fire

[2:40:33] station sewer project. And then, um, I'm

[2:40:36] going to zoom in a little bit.

[2:40:38] Everybody's kind of got their bearings

[2:40:39] straight here. You can see uh coming off

[2:40:43] of basically adjacent to the western

[2:40:45] ball field uh we're proposing a 8 in

[2:40:50] sewer extension into Brentwood as phase

[2:40:52] one. That's the phase one project you

[2:40:54] see. And then the rest of this

[2:40:57] neighborhood could potentially be

[2:40:59] sewered um as shown on my exhibit here.

[2:41:02] Uh the the front side adjacent to 156.

[2:41:06] There's some city-owned lots over there

[2:41:08] and some other privately owned lots.

[2:41:10] Those could tie in to the end of that

[2:41:12] 10-inch line that was put in with the

[2:41:13] fire station.

[2:41:14] >> That loop around Brentwood, all of it is

[2:41:19] » That loop around Brentwood, all of it is

[2:41:19] the cost of it is reflected in 2930 at

[2:41:23] $450,000.

[2:41:25] That's what that is. Uh there are many

[2:41:28] of the uh property owners in Brentwood.

[2:41:32] Well, all of them right now to date are

[2:41:34] maybe except one or two on the very at

[2:41:37] 156.

[2:41:38] All of them have san or uh septic

[2:41:41] systems or anorobic systems. Many of

[2:41:44] them have come and requested to tie into

[2:41:46] the city sewer. And we told them it was

[2:41:50] maybe going back two years about this

[2:41:52] project that's coming in. And they would

[2:41:55] much rather pay uh a a new septic system

[2:42:01] runs about $25,000.

[2:42:04] they would much rather pay uh say 14 or

[2:42:08] $15,000

[2:42:11] to connect to a city system.

[2:42:14] It's much cheaper and more reliable.

[2:42:17] So that was planned and you know and

[2:42:20] hopefully maybe that can be moved up

[2:42:23] from 2930 time frame.

[2:42:25] >> So this is basically phase one step one

[2:42:27] » So this is basically phase one step one

[2:42:27] is to do this first.

[2:42:29] >> Get get the line into the subdivision

[2:42:31] » Get get the line into the subdivision

[2:42:31] and then go from there. And the mayor

[2:42:33] the mayor um spoke about the potential

[2:42:36] for a kind of like a a hookup connection

[2:42:39] charge. There's we did a project many

[2:42:41] years ago and the uh part of South Lake

[2:42:45] where we were running firsttime sewer

[2:42:46] service and and the mayor's speaking

[2:42:49] about replacement of septics. It was the

[2:42:51] same situation out there. Those folks

[2:42:53] were faced with do we spend $20,000 at

[2:42:56] the time for septic or do we

[2:42:57] spend$10,000. I think the city basically

[2:43:00] said we'll cover it 50/50. you put in

[2:43:02] 10, we'll cover 10. So, those are all

[2:43:04] policy questions that we'll have to get

[2:43:05] to at some point, but uh yeah, there's

[2:43:08] some different options there um for

[2:43:11] that. So, that's that's that project.

[2:43:13] Now, that project does require some

[2:43:15] easements, and there's been some

[2:43:17] discussion on on how some of those

[2:43:18] easements may or may not be worked

[2:43:21] through there with some of the property

[2:43:22] owners. And so, we're we're just trying

[2:43:24] to work through some of the minutia and

[2:43:26] detail of that. But the the good news is

[2:43:29] the ability to serve is there. uh

[2:43:31] because that line was basically uh built

[2:43:34] in accordance with the master plan.

[2:43:36] >> And go back to that uh area where you

[2:43:38] » And go back to that uh area where you

[2:43:38] had the blue boundary around this uh

[2:43:40] basin.

[2:43:41] >> Yes, sir.

[2:43:42] » Yes, sir.

[2:43:42] >> Just to give them a little background

[2:43:44] » Just to give them a little background

[2:43:44] early on, there were two different

[2:43:46] routes that could have been chosen to uh

[2:43:49] provide this uh new sewer line. one

[2:43:52] would have been gone from uh the fire

[2:43:55] station

[2:43:56] straight out to 156,

[2:43:59] but it uh uh through the study of it

[2:44:02] that opened up a more limited area of

[2:44:06] service, I think about 360 acres.

[2:44:11] This one uh essentially for the same

[2:44:15] money, different route, different basin,

[2:44:19] opened up 540 acres.

[2:44:23] So, it uh it was a good choice. Uh it'll

[2:44:26] be a good return on that investment.

[2:44:31] » Any questions on the two sewer projects

[2:44:34] that we have on the on the list?

[2:44:38] >> I just meant to ask you for sewer and

[2:44:40] » I just meant to ask you for sewer and

[2:44:40] water. Is there anything that you feel

[2:44:41] like is a priority that's not listed for

[2:44:44] this year for either of them? Something

[2:44:46] that we're leaving out?

[2:44:47] >> No, ma'am. We're covered.

[2:44:48] » No, ma'am. We're covered.

[2:44:48] >> Okay.

[2:44:54] Okay. If if we're good on water and

[2:44:56] sewer,

[2:44:58] then uh maybe we jump into roads. So,

[2:45:00] that's the big list with the big dollars

[2:45:02] down at the bottom.

[2:45:10] All right, James. What do I do here?

[2:45:18] » Streets, drainage, and improvements.

[2:45:23] Uh, so I will uh I'll say this, streets,

[2:45:26] drainage, improvements is going to take

[2:45:28] a little bit longer than water and sewer

[2:45:31] did put together. Do you want a break

[2:45:34] for lunch now? and then come back and

[2:45:37] start with water and sewer or streets.

[2:45:41] >> Could we spend five minutes and get our

[2:45:42] » Could we spend five minutes and get our

[2:45:42] food and then work while we eat

[2:45:44] >> because we we

[2:45:45] » because we we

[2:45:45] >> we don't have families. It's the last

[2:45:47] » we don't have families. It's the last

[2:45:47] weekend of Sorry. It's the last weekend

[2:45:50] of summer. I think we're all trying to

[2:45:52] get out of here.

[2:45:53] >> I will say I do believe Mr. Anderson has

[2:45:55] » I will say I do believe Mr. Anderson has

[2:45:55] to leave at some point, too. He has

[2:45:58] other

[2:45:59] >> What's your cut off?

[2:46:00] » What's your cut off?

[2:46:00] >> As long as I'm out of here by two

[2:46:02] » As long as I'm out of here by two

[2:46:02] o'clock, I'm good.

[2:46:03] >> Oh my goodness.

[2:46:04] » Oh my goodness.

[2:46:04] >> Oh. So, can we please take like five

[2:46:06] » Oh. So, can we please take like five

[2:46:06] minutes and get our food and come back

[2:46:07] and work through lunch and and and keep

[2:46:10] going

[2:46:10] >> or wait and break through for lunch

[2:46:11] » or wait and break through for lunch

[2:46:12] later? Either one's fine.

[2:46:14] >> Sure, we'll do that. So, I'll tell you

[2:46:16] » Sure, we'll do that. So, I'll tell you

[2:46:16] what then. I'm going to recess the open

[2:46:18] session for 15 minutes.

[2:46:21] >> Get your food.

[2:46:22] » Get your food.

[2:46:22] >> Okay. Thank you.

[2:46:23] » Okay. Thank you.

[2:46:23] >> Thank you. So, it's recessed at 11:35.

[3:09:36] Let's resume the uh open session from

[3:09:39] recess. call to order this uh uh open

[3:09:43] session at 11:58 a.m.

[3:09:49] We have streets and drainage

[3:09:51] improvements capital projects.

[3:09:57] Mr. Anderson,

[3:09:58] >> thank you, Mayor.

[3:10:01] » thank you, Mayor.

[3:10:01] Um everybody has the big list

[3:10:04] front of them.

[3:10:06] Uh project one is the uh Blue Mountain

[3:10:10] Road and 156 intersection improvements

[3:10:14] project. This is the uh we presented

[3:10:18] this back in June, I believe. And we

[3:10:21] presented a a schedule for this project.

[3:10:24] Um, basically showing this is a more or

[3:10:27] less a three-year project by the time

[3:10:30] all the design, rightway acquisition,

[3:10:32] utility relocation, and construction is

[3:10:35] is sorted out. So, we're recommending

[3:10:38] that 450 plus 525 for to total uh what

[3:10:43] is that 975

[3:10:45] be budgeted this fiscal year uh for

[3:10:49] design permitting [clears throat] and um

[3:10:53] uh rightway acquisition for the project

[3:10:56] and that's to keep it in general uh

[3:10:59] conformance to the the schedule that we

[3:11:02] presented back in June. Uh if you

[3:11:04] recall, this is a basically a $5 million

[3:11:07] project. There are um there is a portion

[3:11:10] of this that we expect funding from the

[3:11:13] uh lapel development in Fort Worth. We

[3:11:16] haven't uh gone through and um figured

[3:11:19] out exactly what percentage of this uh

[3:11:22] total project cost they would be

[3:11:24] responsible for under the terms of the

[3:11:26] agreement. But um I suspect it's

[3:11:29] somewhere in the neighborhood of uh 10

[3:11:31] to 20% just depending on the um ultimate

[3:11:36] costs and how we get this thing

[3:11:37] implemented. They were they were

[3:11:40] responsible for a turn lane, a 100 foot

[3:11:42] turn lane. And if you recall, we had 400

[3:11:44] foot long turn lanes and multiple

[3:11:47] multiple iterations of those. And so,

[3:11:51] um, this project is is, um, is important

[3:11:55] and there's quite a bit of leg work to

[3:11:57] do before we can get to construction.

[3:11:59] >> So, just to [clears throat] this would

[3:12:01] » So, just to [clears throat] this would

[3:12:01] be on our [snorts] capital outlay. This

[3:12:03] is not in our budget currently as as

[3:12:05] funded. Correct.

[3:12:08] >> Correct.

[3:12:08] » Correct.

[3:12:08] >> Okay. So, if we wanted to add it, we

[3:12:10] » Okay. So, if we wanted to add it, we

[3:12:10] would put it in our page 21 that the

[3:12:12] capital outlay.

[3:12:14] Is that correct? As for for projects.

[3:12:18] >> Yes.

[3:12:19] » Yes.

[3:12:19] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:12:21] » Okay. Thank you.

[3:12:21] >> So, we didn't get this far on Saturday,

[3:12:23] » So, we didn't get this far on Saturday,

[3:12:23] >> correct?

[3:12:24] » correct?

[3:12:24] >> Okay.

[3:12:24] » Okay.

[3:12:24] >> No, we talked about all this, but

[3:12:26] » No, we talked about all this, but

[3:12:26] >> but

[3:12:27] » but

[3:12:27] >> y'all had a separate meeting. I know

[3:12:29] » y'all had a separate meeting. I know

[3:12:30] that.

[3:12:30] >> No, we met last Saturday here and we

[3:12:32] » No, we met last Saturday here and we

[3:12:32] talked about

[3:12:33] >> No, but prior to that, there was a

[3:12:34] » No, but prior to that, there was a

[3:12:34] separate

[3:12:35] >> That was just a discussion. We didn't

[3:12:36] » That was just a discussion. We didn't

[3:12:36] make any changes.

[3:12:37] >> We reviewed these very specific

[3:12:39] » We reviewed these very specific

[3:12:39] projects, but this we can brought up

[3:12:41] last Saturday. Yes. There were all this,

[3:12:43] but it wasn't added in like officially.

[3:12:45] >> No, it was it was

[3:12:46] » No, it was it was

[3:12:46] >> it's on your sheet of changes.

[3:12:49] » it's on your sheet of changes.

[3:12:49] on a general.

[3:12:52] >> Yes. And we went through it kind of

[3:12:53] » Yes. And we went through it kind of

[3:12:54] tentatively and rushed, but we said we

[3:12:56] all we all had questions for Mike and

[3:12:58] wanted to come back to this.

[3:12:59] >> Is this a public document? Like can we

[3:13:00] » Is this a public document? Like can we

[3:13:00] is this available? Can anybody in the

[3:13:03] public have this information?

[3:13:05] >> It is posted with the agenda.

[3:13:06] » It is posted with the agenda.

[3:13:06] >> This is Yes, sir.

[3:13:08] » This is Yes, sir.

[3:13:08] >> Okay. Thank you,

[3:13:09] » Okay. Thank you,

[3:13:09] >> Marcy. Where is it? I'm sorry. on the

[3:13:11] » Marcy. Where is it? I'm sorry. on the

[3:13:11] new general fund overall budget summary.

[3:13:14] >> It's [clears throat]

[3:13:15] » It's [clears throat]

[3:13:15] um it's on the list

[3:13:20] » the list of changes that looks like

[3:13:22] this.

[3:13:23] >> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you.

[3:13:25] » Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you.

[3:13:25] >> Because you don't have new budget pages.

[3:13:28] » Because you don't have new budget pages.

[3:13:28] >> Okay.

[3:13:28] » Okay.

[3:13:28] >> You you have the general it's it's on

[3:13:30] » You you have the general it's it's on

[3:13:30] that general [clears throat] fund thing.

[3:13:31] But um

[3:13:34] >> and

[3:13:34] » and

[3:13:34] >> so under general fund capital outlay

[3:13:37] » so under general fund capital outlay

[3:13:37] this SD1 is the 975.

[3:13:42] » You added that and then the next one

[3:13:46] Blue Mountain Road at John Day. You

[3:13:49] added

[3:13:51] >> where are you?

[3:13:52] » where are you?

[3:13:52] >> Thank you. And

[3:13:53] » Thank you. And

[3:13:53] >> this page is what this

[3:13:55] » this page is what this

[3:13:55] >> that's the list of changes that were

[3:13:56] » that's the list of changes that were

[3:13:56] made at the last workshop.

[3:13:58] >> Thank you. I was looking at my old

[3:14:00] » Thank you. I was looking at my old

[3:14:00] >> sheet. It's a mix of page 21 and the new

[3:14:03] » sheet. It's a mix of page 21 and the new

[3:14:04] packet she gave you. And you're really

[3:14:06] looking at three documents right now.

[3:14:08] Page 21, her new packet, and the

[3:14:12] >> the capital improvement plan.

[3:14:13] » the capital improvement plan.

[3:14:13] >> I'm lost. I can't find it. I'm sorry.

[3:14:17] » I'm lost. I can't find it. I'm sorry.

[3:14:17] >> Huh?

[3:14:18] » Huh?

[3:14:18] >> You got it, Marcy.

[3:14:20] » You got it, Marcy.

[3:14:20] >> Is that this?

[3:14:21] » Is that this?

[3:14:21] >> Okay. Where where you Where are you?

[3:14:23] » Okay. Where where you Where are you?

[3:14:23] Sorry.

[3:14:24] >> Our changes are noted at the top.

[3:14:26] » Our changes are noted at the top.

[3:14:26] >> Like 975.

[3:14:28] » Like 975.

[3:14:28] >> Thank you.

[3:14:29] » Thank you.

[3:14:29] >> 1.4. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[3:14:30] » 1.4. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[3:14:30] Sorry.

[3:14:31] >> My apologies everybody.

[3:14:33] » My apologies everybody.

[3:14:33] >> It's a little confusing.

[3:14:34] » It's a little confusing.

[3:14:34] >> It's a little small. My eyes are not as

[3:14:36] » It's a little small. My eyes are not as

[3:14:36] good as with these glasses. What's that?

[3:14:38] >> Thank you.

[3:14:42] » No, look. This is what I need to do.

[3:14:45] >> Now I can see it.

[3:14:50] » Okay. Thanks, Mike.

[3:14:53] >> Okay.

[3:14:54] » Okay.

[3:14:54] >> Thanks, Mike. Please continue.

[3:14:55] » Thanks, Mike. Please continue.

[3:14:55] >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So everybody's

[3:14:58] » Absolutely. Absolutely. So everybody's

[3:14:58] good with project one 156 Blue Mountain.

[3:15:02] Okay. So we we've estimated the rideway

[3:15:06] needs. We've estimated the value of the

[3:15:09] rideway based on what we've seen for

[3:15:13] transactions in this area as a cost per

[3:15:15] square foot. We anticipate that during

[3:15:18] the rideway acquisition process,

[3:15:20] appraisals will be needed. We'll have to

[3:15:23] go through the formal process of

[3:15:24] acquiring rightaway. So, this is a this

[3:15:27] is a healthy budget to get started on

[3:15:29] the project. We'd like to be

[3:15:31] conservative in our numbers. Um, and

[3:15:33] that same can be said with that second

[3:15:35] project as well, Bluemount at John Day

[3:15:37] Road. I think there's over $800,000 in

[3:15:41] that particular project for rideaway in

[3:15:43] and of itself. So, um, was there any

[3:15:46] questions on the Blue Mountain John Day

[3:15:48] road similar setup? The developer, LRIL,

[3:15:52] is responsible under the terms of our

[3:15:54] development agreement for construction

[3:15:55] of the traffic signal itself and a turn

[3:15:59] lane at John Day Road.

[3:16:00] >> And that's a 1.425.

[3:16:02] » And that's a 1.425.

[3:16:02] >> Yes, ma'am.

[3:16:03] » Yes, ma'am.

[3:16:03] >> The only question I have um

[3:16:04] » The only question I have um

[3:16:04] >> Yes, sir.

[3:16:05] » Yes, sir.

[3:16:05] >> Mr. Anderson, is is there

[3:16:08] » Mr. Anderson, is is there

[3:16:08] [clears throat] any way we can before we

[3:16:11] can widen the road because that's going

[3:16:12] to take a couple years. Is there any way

[3:16:14] we can make that intersection a light

[3:16:16] like right now? Because

[3:16:20] just to get off of John Day onto Blue

[3:16:22] Mound going east is almost impossible in

[3:16:25] the evenings. Um, so if you could if we

[3:16:28] could make that a light like a lot

[3:16:31] quicker, even if we put up temporary

[3:16:34] poles just to get a a light put on

[3:16:36] there, that would be incredibly helpful

[3:16:38] until we get the road widened.

[3:16:40] >> I can answer that question. That is all

[3:16:43] » I can answer that question. That is all

[3:16:43] dependent upon Tarant County. Uh I know

[3:16:46] that uh engineering myself and David

[3:16:49] Rogers has been working with Tarant

[3:16:52] County for probably two years on that

[3:16:55] intersection.

[3:16:56] They control it. Everything from the

[3:16:59] railroad tracks going west almost all

[3:17:01] the way to 287 is a county road. Uh we

[3:17:06] have given them information, traffic

[3:17:09] counts. We've had him come out here time

[3:17:12] and time again, multiple times, very

[3:17:15] specifically. I think the last meeting

[3:17:17] that we had was maybe three months ago

[3:17:20] in your office with precinct three to

[3:17:25] look at this and they took it all back

[3:17:27] and said, "Okay, here's what we need the

[3:17:29] county to do. We're prepared to do this

[3:17:32] piece on the city of Hasset Road, which

[3:17:34] is John Day Road." And

[3:17:40] We have not had any movement. It is um

[3:17:46] I don't know why they understand the

[3:17:48] problem. They understand the issue. It's

[3:17:51] probably a matter of money. It might be

[3:17:54] a prioritization on the county's part.

[3:17:57] Well, we're spending money on Bond Ranch

[3:18:00] Road and or over here and over here and

[3:18:04] this is not on their radar yet. They do

[3:18:07] understand. We have been uh I'll say at

[3:18:10] times aggressive in our communication

[3:18:12] with them to let them know this is a

[3:18:15] persistent problem and uh we need the

[3:18:19] county's help. This is a regional issue.

[3:18:22] This is not generated by Hasset

[3:18:25] residents.

[3:18:26] This is a regional issue. And so

[3:18:30] [clears throat]

[3:18:31] it is all in the county's court to put

[3:18:34] that intersection light up there. even

[3:18:36] if we were to pay for it, it's still on

[3:18:40] their side to do the

[3:18:43] improvement,

[3:18:45] authorize it. There's an issue with we

[3:18:48] have even gone to the extent to

[3:18:52] um

[3:18:54] let let Hasset annex

[3:18:57] Blue Mound Road from the railroad tracks

[3:19:00] to John Day Road to the west side of

[3:19:03] John Day Road. And we will do that work.

[3:19:07] We will plan it.

[3:19:10] And no, sorry.

[3:19:13] >> There's there are legal issues related

[3:19:16] » There's there are legal issues related

[3:19:16] with it in how the right of way for uh

[3:19:20] Blue Mountain Road was um

[3:19:24] let

[3:19:26] um there's not is what do you call it?

[3:19:29] Prescriptive right of way. It does not

[3:19:32] give the county outright ownership.

[3:19:36] >> So, who owns it?

[3:19:38] » So, who owns it?

[3:19:38] >> That's the le [clears throat]

[3:19:40] » That's the le [clears throat]

[3:19:40] who does.

[3:19:41] >> Pardon?

[3:19:42] » Pardon?

[3:19:42] >> If they don't have outright ownership,

[3:19:43] » If they don't have outright ownership,

[3:19:43] who does?

[3:19:44] >> The property owners,

[3:19:47] » The property owners,

[3:19:47] >> the houses that back up right there or

[3:19:49] » the houses that back up right there or

[3:19:49] that whole neighborhood? the pro, you

[3:19:51] know, such as, you know, the uh 97 acres

[3:19:55] along the east side of John Day Road in

[3:19:58] Blue Mound right there. That 97 acres,

[3:20:01] that property owner owns to the center

[3:20:03] line.

[3:20:05] >> So, it's not the homeowners. Now, the

[3:20:08] » So, it's not the homeowners. Now, the

[3:20:08] homeowners on the west side, which would

[3:20:10] be Fort Worth,

[3:20:13] city of Fort Worth, they uh may I we

[3:20:18] have not investigated that

[3:20:22] » pull up an exhibit real quick.

[3:20:27] the big button.

[3:20:31] » So here's

[3:20:33] everybody can see it. You see we drew in

[3:20:35] the actual lots in the rideway. So

[3:20:38] licated

[3:20:40] rideway public rideway their property.

[3:20:43] So that way

[3:20:46] is clear.

[3:20:48] The rideway on the south side from Lond.

[3:21:08] » Yeah.

[3:21:08] >> So, and they also

[3:21:11] » So, and they also

[3:21:11] >> I'll buy him a nice steak dinner.

[3:21:14] » I'll buy him a nice steak dinner.

[3:21:14] >> I think I understand what you're asking.

[3:21:16] » I think I understand what you're asking.

[3:21:16] The mayor did a good job of summarizing

[3:21:18] the work to date. provided with study

[3:21:21] saying that you know we like to see a

[3:21:24] minimum stop sign put up here but we

[3:21:27] could we have the ability to do the

[3:21:29] necessary warranty proies

[3:21:34] from the adjacent developments and we've

[3:21:36] got somebody that may try to implement

[3:21:42] using the funds that were in hand

[3:21:47] we just need to go through and get the

[3:21:48] design so that light configuration could

[3:21:51] work with the planned improvements here.

[3:21:54] That's all complicated by the bridge.

[3:21:58] >> That's all complicated with the bridge

[3:22:00] » That's all complicated with the bridge

[3:22:00] that's coming in that was just applied

[3:22:02] for by Taran County and BNSF last fall,

[3:22:04] too. So, this is a kind of a convoluted

[3:22:08] intersection, but

[3:22:09] >> is coming in.

[3:22:11] » is coming in.

[3:22:11] >> Well, I said was applied for funding. I

[3:22:13] » Well, I said was applied for funding. I

[3:22:14] shouldn't shouldn't have said that.

[3:22:15] Thank you.

[3:22:15] >> Well, my my steak dinner joke is is just

[3:22:18] » Well, my my steak dinner joke is is just

[3:22:18] a joke as well. Well, I don't actually

[3:22:19] mean to be offering anything, but

[3:22:21] [clears throat] we're just trying to

[3:22:22] figure out like to begin with, none of

[3:22:25] the road work stuff was in this budget,

[3:22:28] and we have never seen

[3:22:30] this 10-year [clears throat] plan until

[3:22:32] very recently that has been in existence

[3:22:34] for a long time. So, we're trying to

[3:22:37] play catch-up as a council a little bit

[3:22:39] because we've been in the dark and not

[3:22:41] have the information that we need. So,

[3:22:44] what is the fastest way we can get this

[3:22:47] moving and the the next project that

[3:22:50] we're about to talk about as well?

[3:22:52] What's the fastest way we can get at

[3:22:54] least lights there, if not the expansion

[3:22:56] done, what's the next what we need? We

[3:22:58] need step 1 2 3 4 5. That's what we

[3:22:59] need.

[3:23:00] >> So,

[3:23:00] » So,

[3:23:00] >> even if it's not right this minute, I'm

[3:23:02] » even if it's not right this minute, I'm

[3:23:02] not sure, you know.

[3:23:03] >> And I think you were actually gone on

[3:23:05] » And I think you were actually gone on

[3:23:05] Were you gone at the meeting in June

[3:23:07] when I gave the

[3:23:08] >> Oh, yeah. You were.

[3:23:08] » Oh, yeah. You were.

[3:23:08] >> And I think

[3:23:09] » And I think

[3:23:09] >> June 1st.

[3:23:10] » June 1st.

[3:23:10] >> Yes, sir.

[3:23:11] » Yes, sir.

[3:23:11] >> Yeah. I because I laid it out. I did. I

[3:23:13] » Yeah. I because I laid it out. I did. I

[3:23:13] said [clears throat] year 1, year two,

[3:23:14] year three. Let me get you that. But

[3:23:16] >> well, I get the year parts, but what we

[3:23:18] » well, I get the year parts, but what we

[3:23:18] need to know like which conversation we

[3:23:20] need to have next. You know what I mean?

[3:23:21] >> Yes, sir. No, I understand.

[3:23:22] » Yes, sir. No, I understand.

[3:23:22] >> We need to go very basic one by one.

[3:23:24] » We need to go very basic one by one.

[3:23:24] >> I understand. So, if we could if we

[3:23:25] » I understand. So, if we could if we

[3:23:26] could get this funded for design and

[3:23:29] agreement uh

[3:23:32] preparation and ratification. There's

[3:23:34] the whole transfer of uh or coordination

[3:23:37] with the county that the mayor spoke to.

[3:23:39] So there's county coordination necessary

[3:23:42] >> and the county who are we dealing with

[3:23:43] » and the county who are we dealing with

[3:23:43] the county Manny directly or is it

[3:23:45] somebody else?

[3:23:46] >> The county commissioner is

[3:23:48] » The county commissioner is

[3:23:48] >> well it's not the county. We've been

[3:23:50] » well it's not the county. We've been

[3:23:50] speaking with the u county engineer

[3:23:54] >> Mr. Jackson.

[3:23:56] » Mr. Jackson.

[3:23:56] >> Mr. Jackson ultimately you know any of

[3:23:59] » Mr. Jackson ultimately you know any of

[3:23:59] the commissioners have to go to Mr.

[3:24:01] Jackson period and Mr. Jackson that's

[3:24:05] who we've communicated with and they've

[3:24:06] seen this design. Yes,

[3:24:08] >> they had this design. They have our

[3:24:10] » they had this design. They have our

[3:24:10] request in early on early conversations

[3:24:14] were

[3:24:15] the city of Hasslet would like to make

[3:24:17] that a four-way stop at minimum. We'll

[3:24:21] pay for the stop signs. We'll pay for

[3:24:23] the installation of it. Just give us

[3:24:25] permission to do it. and the county

[3:24:28] engineer wrote us a letter back and said

[3:24:30] no

[3:24:31] >> because in his opinion it will create

[3:24:35] » because in his opinion it will create

[3:24:35] more of a problem.

[3:24:38] So there are various u departments

[3:24:43] working through Tarant County that we

[3:24:45] have to address this uh the

[3:24:50] I've met with Commissioner Ramirez on

[3:24:53] this. He has his plans

[3:24:58] and told him of the need that we have. I

[3:25:00] have met with H Commissioner Krauss.

[3:25:03] They have this plan

[3:25:06] and let them know of the needs that we

[3:25:09] have.

[3:25:10] >> What's their response?

[3:25:11] » What's their response?

[3:25:11] >> Pardon?

[3:25:12] » Pardon?

[3:25:12] >> What's their response?

[3:25:13] » What's their response?

[3:25:14] >> Haven't got one yet. And that's been

[3:25:16] » Haven't got one yet. And that's been

[3:25:16] many months ago.

[3:25:18] >> Can we not reach back up? That was many

[3:25:19] » Can we not reach back up? That was many

[3:25:20] months ago. I mean, why are we not

[3:25:22] reaching out to them again? Oh, well I

[3:25:24] can, but we have uh we we are continuing

[3:25:28] reaching out

[3:25:30] and getting this in the different

[3:25:32] department hands. So, we have it in two

[3:25:35] county commissioners hands. We have it

[3:25:37] in the uh county engineers hands and we

[3:25:42] have it uh [clears throat]

[3:25:49] there was a fourth party

[3:25:52] I don't recall. Oh actually the the

[3:25:56] precinct three crew

[3:26:00] » and the city of forward. Yes.

[3:26:05] So, uh it's not it's not uh due to a

[3:26:08] lack of effort.

[3:26:11] Um so we um maybe

[3:26:16] uh now if the city of Hasslet were to

[3:26:19] say we'll pay for every bit of that and

[3:26:23] Mr. landowner we'll buy that right away

[3:26:25] from you

[3:26:27] etc etc. Of course that would enhance

[3:26:29] his property.

[3:26:31] uh then they might say yes.

[3:26:37] It generally all boils down to money.

[3:26:41] Well, we did ask the county that they do

[3:26:43] the improvements on Blue Mountain Road.

[3:26:49] » Um

[3:26:51] Mr. Anderson, [clears throat]

[3:26:55] >> the um

[3:26:57] » the um

[3:26:57] last last week we moved over um $1.3

[3:27:01] million I think it was

[3:27:04] um for the

[3:27:06] uh Blue Mound 156 and then the uh Blue

[3:27:10] Mound and John Day. Do you think that's

[3:27:13] going to be adequate? Do we need more

[3:27:14] money to get those two projects kind of

[3:27:16] started and off the ground? because I

[3:27:19] know we we could have started this a

[3:27:21] couple years ago, but now we're kind of

[3:27:23] backtracking, but is that going to be

[3:27:24] enough money 1.3 to get both of those

[3:27:27] going? Shows we have 975 for Blue

[3:27:31] Mountain Intersection and 335 for John

[3:27:33] Day. Do we need to allocate more money

[3:27:35] so we can move ahead?

[3:27:38] >> Well, I think uh we've got a total of uh

[3:27:42] » Well, I think uh we've got a total of uh

[3:27:42] my math's right here, 2.3 between the

[3:27:44] two projects roughly. And so your ask

[3:27:47] is, is 1.3 enough to get started?

[3:27:51] >> Well, I got 1.3 from on this uh 975 and

[3:27:55] » Well, I got 1.3 from on this uh 975 and

[3:27:55] 335,

[3:27:56] >> but

[3:27:58] » but

[3:27:58] >> um

[3:27:59] » um

[3:27:59] >> Oh, well, the 975 and 335. Okay.

[3:28:03] » Oh, well, the 975 and 335. Okay.

[3:28:04] >> I I'm just so we're on the same page. Uh

[3:28:07] » I I'm just so we're on the same page. Uh

[3:28:07] it's $925,000

[3:28:10] for this fiscal year

[3:28:12] >> for the uh Blue Mountain Road FM 156

[3:28:16] » for the uh Blue Mountain Road FM 156

[3:28:16] work.

[3:28:17] >> 975

[3:28:18] » 975

[3:28:18] >> 975

[3:28:19] » 975

[3:28:19] >> correct.

[3:28:20] » correct.

[3:28:20] >> All right. Now we have now on Mr.

[3:28:24] » All right. Now we have now on Mr.

[3:28:24] Anderson's worksheet here for Blue

[3:28:27] Mountain Road and John Day Road, he has

[3:28:30] 1,425,000.

[3:28:33] >> Correct. We have budgeted 335,000.

[3:28:36] » Correct. We have budgeted 335,000.

[3:28:36] >> Right above the Blue Mountain Road 975

[3:28:38] » Right above the Blue Mountain Road 975

[3:28:38] says 1.425

[3:28:39] >> Blue Mail. Okay. There's two. What's the

[3:28:42] » Blue Mail. Okay. There's two. What's the

[3:28:42] difference?

[3:28:42] >> One's a schematic design and one is the

[3:28:44] » One's a schematic design and one is the

[3:28:44] intersection improvement

[3:28:45] >> designed Blue Mail Road

[3:28:46] » designed Blue Mail Road

[3:28:46] >> and the 335 of the schematic design is

[3:28:48] » and the 335 of the schematic design is

[3:28:48] what we're hoping to to get from the

[3:28:51] escrow, but if not, we have it budgeted

[3:28:53] in case we need to use it.

[3:28:56] >> This was all last last Saturday. Um

[3:28:58] » This was all last last Saturday. Um

[3:28:58] Chris

[3:28:58] >> Mayor

[3:29:00] » Mayor

[3:29:00] >> Mayor, I'm over here. Sorry. Um, can I

[3:29:03] » Mayor, I'm over here. Sorry. Um, can I

[3:29:03] suggest that on this general fund

[3:29:05] capital outlay, we actually make a

[3:29:07] notation to the project names? So like,

[3:29:11] um,

[3:29:12] design Bluebound Road West at John Day

[3:29:14] intersection. If we could put SD2 right

[3:29:16] next to it.

[3:29:18] >> Oh, okay. Are you perfect? Thank you.

[3:29:24] » And I've got a column that correlates

[3:29:25] back to Miss Marcy's once the project

[3:29:27] number gets established. Okay.

[3:29:30] [clears throat]

[3:29:30] >> What else?

[3:29:34] Okay. So, so Blound Road at John Day

[3:29:37] Road, Blue Mound Road at FM 156, those

[3:29:41] are projects SD1 and SD2. It sounds like

[3:29:44] everybody wants to move forward with

[3:29:45] those two projects this next next fiscal

[3:29:47] year.

[3:29:48] >> Yes,

[3:29:48] » Yes,

[3:29:48] >> Mr. Kathers, what I can do is as we give

[3:29:52] » Mr. Kathers, what I can do is as we give

[3:29:52] me the next few weeks, I could put

[3:29:54] together a little action plan or

[3:29:55] recommended steps because there's a lot

[3:29:57] of moving parts with both of these

[3:29:59] projects. maybe make a list of all the

[3:30:01] things associated with each one and we

[3:30:04] can have that as a presentation and an

[3:30:06] update.

[3:30:07] >> I mean, also if we even need to go as

[3:30:09] » I mean, also if we even need to go as

[3:30:09] far as getting parents to email the

[3:30:11] county commissioner, you know, I mean,

[3:30:13] because parents are screaming, "Please,

[3:30:16] please, please help us with this road

[3:30:18] every day." And it's school starts what,

[3:30:20] in 4 days, you're going to hear a whole

[3:30:23] I mean, not you,

[3:30:24] >> but all of us are going to hear a whole

[3:30:25] » but all of us are going to hear a whole

[3:30:25] lot Yeah. a lot of complaints because

[3:30:27] all of a sudden the traffic's going to

[3:30:28] get a hundred times worse when everyone

[3:30:30] starts going back to school again.

[3:30:32] [clears throat] So, if we need to get

[3:30:34] people to, you know, at least [snorts]

[3:30:38] put their input publicly to get

[3:30:41] residents and parents and school and

[3:30:44] whoever to, you know, try to help build

[3:30:47] a case for this,

[3:30:48] >> then we need to know that, too, because

[3:30:50] » then we need to know that, too, because

[3:30:50] we want to do it in an appropriate way,

[3:30:52] not in a let's yell and scream and throw

[3:30:54] rocks way. You know what I mean?

[3:30:55] >> Yes, sir. So

[3:30:56] » Yes, sir. So

[3:30:56] >> let me say well that that will be a

[3:30:59] » let me say well that that will be a

[3:30:59] council action a a a community

[3:31:04] uh activation towards that has

[3:31:07] engineering has no play in that

[3:31:11] >> but but if we don't have willingness on

[3:31:13] » but but if we don't have willingness on

[3:31:13] all sides of this conversation we need

[3:31:15] to raise our case a little bit.

[3:31:17] >> Yeah I don't no one's going to come in

[3:31:19] » Yeah I don't no one's going to come in

[3:31:19] no one's going to come engineer this

[3:31:21] project no one's going to come in and

[3:31:22] start the rideway acquisition project. I

[3:31:24] think we will be able to identify some

[3:31:27] funding partners for the construction of

[3:31:28] it. The mayor's already spoke to the

[3:31:31] discussion that is ongoing about county

[3:31:34] forces possibly constructing some of

[3:31:37] both of these projects, but the the

[3:31:39] heavy lifting on the front end is going

[3:31:41] to have to be done now. We've we've had

[3:31:43] these concepts, you know, put together

[3:31:45] for oh, probably a year, but there there

[3:31:48] was other than this concept plan, there

[3:31:50] was no money behind it to actually get

[3:31:52] the detailed work [clears throat] done

[3:31:54] and start through that process because

[3:31:56] once all that gets done, and we have

[3:31:58] probably five or six agreements per

[3:32:01] intersection, then we have to go move

[3:32:03] all these utilities. And so it's going

[3:32:04] to be a it will be a heavy two-year

[3:32:08] project uh on the soft cost side of

[3:32:10] things to get really minimal

[3:32:12] improvements built. But I I do

[3:32:14] understand what you're saying. And let

[3:32:16] me go back and see if there's a way cuz

[3:32:18] u one of the things that I know was

[3:32:21] important at John Day Road in 156 and

[3:32:24] probably still is is the the inability

[3:32:27] for folks to get out onto Blue Mountain

[3:32:29] Road. Yes. And so to your point about

[3:32:33] trying to get some interim relief there,

[3:32:35] let me see if I can go figure out a way

[3:32:37] to, you know, the lapel folks are on the

[3:32:40] hook for that signal 100%. That's what's

[3:32:43] in the agreement. So there's no cost

[3:32:44] share deep divvying up of those

[3:32:47] improvements. Does that make sense? The

[3:32:49] the turn lanes and everything, those are

[3:32:51] all we got to sort through those. But

[3:32:54] maybe there's a way we can look at

[3:32:56] trying to accelerate the signal

[3:32:58] improvements through the funding by

[3:33:00] lapel while we sort through all these

[3:33:02] other things. Does that make sense?

[3:33:04] >> Yeah. I mean, just this last week, I

[3:33:06] » Yeah. I mean, just this last week, I

[3:33:06] mean, I had to go to a parent meeting,

[3:33:08] what was it, Thursday night, and it was

[3:33:10] just for athletics.

[3:33:11] >> And when that meeting got got out,

[3:33:13] » And when that meeting got got out,

[3:33:14] >> John Day was backed up from Blue Mound

[3:33:15] » John Day was backed up from Blue Mound

[3:33:15] all the way back to Lera, just for that

[3:33:18] one meeting.

[3:33:19] >> That's not even a third of the school.

[3:33:21] » That's not even a third of the school.

[3:33:21] >> And that's only the middle school. I

[3:33:22] » And that's only the middle school. I

[3:33:22] don't even count the elementary school.

[3:33:24] >> And I want to clarify as well. So the ll

[3:33:26] » And I want to clarify as well. So the ll

[3:33:26] agreement is is back. It's in effect.

[3:33:29] Everything's fine with that.

[3:33:31] >> Yes, ma'am.

[3:33:31] » Yes, ma'am.

[3:33:31] >> Okay.

[3:33:32] » Okay.

[3:33:32] >> That was an agreement between the city

[3:33:34] » That was an agreement between the city

[3:33:34] of

[3:33:34] >> what it was. I know what happened to it.

[3:33:36] » what it was. I know what happened to it.

[3:33:36] And I know so it's it's everything's

[3:33:38] good again with lapel agreement.

[3:33:40] >> Correct. Yes, ma'am.

[3:33:41] » Correct. Yes, ma'am.

[3:33:41] >> Okay.

[3:33:41] » Okay.

[3:33:41] >> Now you're there was the original lapel

[3:33:44] » Now you're there was the original lapel

[3:33:44] agreement. This this the the agreement

[3:33:46] that I'm speaking of is the one with

[3:33:48] Trioint Homes, the current homebuilder

[3:33:51] developer. So, not the original.

[3:33:52] >> Not the original one. So, I misspoke

[3:33:54] » Not the original one. So, I misspoke

[3:33:54] there. I'm sorry.

[3:33:54] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:33:56] » Okay. Thank you.

[3:33:56] >> The original one is not back on the

[3:33:57] » The original one is not back on the

[3:33:57] table.

[3:33:58] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:34:00] » Okay. Thank you.

[3:34:00] >> Uh I want to uh it doesn't solve any

[3:34:03] » Uh I want to uh it doesn't solve any

[3:34:03] long range problems, but uh Tarant

[3:34:06] County Sheriff's Department is going to

[3:34:07] have deputies at these intersections

[3:34:09] here and on the other end at Jonte Road

[3:34:13] and Abidel Hasset Road for the first

[3:34:16] week of school just to help.

[3:34:18] >> Are they going to direct traffic?

[3:34:19] » Are they going to direct traffic?

[3:34:19] >> Yes.

[3:34:20] » Yes.

[3:34:20] >> That would be amazing. the high school

[3:34:21] » That would be amazing. the high school

[3:34:21] too the first week of school.

[3:34:23] >> I know they didn't at other places, but

[3:34:25] » I know they didn't at other places, but

[3:34:25] they do.

[3:34:25] >> But they're going to do it here on both

[3:34:27] » But they're going to do it here on both

[3:34:27] ends of John Day Road.

[3:34:28] >> That'd be amazing. Thank you.

[3:34:33] » All right, moving on.

[3:34:35] >> Yes, sir.

[3:34:35] » Yes, sir.

[3:34:35] >> I'm going to go back to mine.

[3:34:37] » I'm going to go back to mine.

[3:34:37] >> Yes, sir.

[3:34:42] » Are you done?

[3:34:44] >> No, I was I think he was wanting to pull

[3:34:46] » No, I was I think he was wanting to pull

[3:34:46] up his

[3:34:46] >> There you are. I mean, you're done with

[3:34:48] » There you are. I mean, you're done with

[3:34:48] John Day Road, right? Yes, sir.

[3:34:50] >> Okay.

[3:34:52] » Okay.

[3:34:52] I would like to uh skip project S3 and

[3:34:56] talk about project S4 just real quick

[3:34:59] since we're talking Blue Mountain Road.

[3:35:00] Okay.

[3:35:01] >> Um we had put together a

[3:35:05] » Um we had put together a

[3:35:05] scope of work to get the Blue Mountain

[3:35:07] Road 100% schematic done from one end to

[3:35:10] the other. Uh that 335

[3:35:14] we had anticipated being able to use

[3:35:16] those escrow funds. That's obviously at

[3:35:20] this point been determined not to be um

[3:35:22] a viable option for funding, but if

[3:35:25] you'd like to move forward with that,

[3:35:27] that's needs to be in here somewhere.

[3:35:30] But it sounds like that was handled.

[3:35:32] Okay.

[3:35:33] >> Okay. So, I've got that one marked.

[3:35:35] » Okay. So, I've got that one marked.

[3:35:35] Okay. Okay.

[3:35:37] >> What is What's Blue Mound Ultimate? Is

[3:35:39] » What is What's Blue Mound Ultimate? Is

[3:35:39] that the whole road?

[3:35:40] >> Yes. Or that's the schematic design from

[3:35:42] » Yes. Or that's the schematic design from

[3:35:42] one end to the other. Okay.

[3:35:43] >> For [clears throat] the for the large

[3:35:45] » For [clears throat] the for the large

[3:35:45] ultimate project.

[3:35:46] >> Okay. You got 1.4 million there so that

[3:35:48] » Okay. You got 1.4 million there so that

[3:35:48] we can cover both SD3 and

[3:35:57] » SD one two and four.

[3:36:01] >> We skipped three. We're

[3:36:03] » We skipped three. We're

[3:36:03] >> sorry.

[3:36:04] » sorry.

[3:36:04] >> Zach was asking about clarification on

[3:36:07] » Zach was asking about clarification on

[3:36:07] >> Yeah, but we have the 335 or whatever it

[3:36:09] » Yeah, but we have the 335 or whatever it

[3:36:09] is for SD4 in the in the budget,

[3:36:11] correct? That y'all just said. Okay.

[3:36:12] >> Yes.

[3:36:14] » Yes.

[3:36:14] >> Okay.

[3:36:16] » Okay.

[3:36:16] So, we're gonna now we're going to get

[3:36:18] back in order here and we're going to

[3:36:19] talk about inter modal.

[3:36:26] » So many pages.

[3:36:28] >> So many pages.

[3:36:38] » Yeah, I will. I just he was going over

[3:36:41] the SD12 and four which we did talk

[3:36:44] about last Saturday and had put back in

[3:36:46] the budget. There was a design for Blue

[3:36:49] Mountain Road at 1.425,

[3:36:52] the Blue Mountain Road intersection

[3:36:53] design at 975 and then the schematic at

[3:36:56] 335. So SD1, SD2, and SD4

[3:37:00] >> have been discussed.

[3:37:02] » have been discussed.

[3:37:02] >> Oh no. Bye bye.

[3:37:07] » And I'm sorry just to clarify. So SD

[3:37:09] one, two, three, and four. I think we

[3:37:10] all had funded last meeting. Correct.

[3:37:12] >> Three. You haven't talked about

[3:37:15] » Three. You haven't talked about

[3:37:15] >> we haven't talked about three.

[3:37:17] » we haven't talked about three.

[3:37:17] >> Oh, we just haven't talked about three.

[3:37:18] » Oh, we just haven't talked about three.

[3:37:18] Correct.

[3:37:18] >> We skipped want to skip three.

[3:37:21] » We skipped want to skip three.

[3:37:21] >> Why? Why are you skipping three?

[3:37:22] » Why? Why are you skipping three?

[3:37:22] >> Because I You had said you wanted to

[3:37:25] » Because I You had said you wanted to

[3:37:25] talk about three. So here

[3:37:26] >> I've got an exhibit up here to see if we

[3:37:28] » I've got an exhibit up here to see if we

[3:37:28] can walk through Interotal Parkway real

[3:37:31] quick.

[3:37:31] >> Thank you. So what we've got here and I

[3:37:34] » Thank you. So what we've got here and I

[3:37:34] I can't remember if I've shared this

[3:37:36] exhibit with you or not, but what we

[3:37:37] have is a inter modal parkway from

[3:37:40] Hasset Parkway clear down to Blue

[3:37:42] Mountain Road. And my understanding of

[3:37:44] the project as it exists today is that

[3:37:48] we've got currently funded in this

[3:37:50] budget that we're in right now $1.1

[3:37:52] million

[3:37:54] for the fourth leg of the traffic signal

[3:37:57] and then the design and construction of

[3:38:00] this yellow pavement.

[3:38:02] >> I don't see that in here.

[3:38:03] » I don't see that in here.

[3:38:03] >> The western the western concrete

[3:38:06] » The western the western concrete

[3:38:06] >> is it in here?

[3:38:07] » is it in here?

[3:38:07] >> It's in here and it's 1.135 because you

[3:38:09] » It's in here and it's 1.135 because you

[3:38:09] asked for an extra 35. So we have that

[3:38:11] fully funded. Do you see that?

[3:38:13] >> It's um right under street improvements

[3:38:15] » It's um right under street improvements

[3:38:15] first

[3:38:17] number.

[3:38:19] Do you see it? We did 1.1

[3:38:21] >> 35,000.

[3:38:22] » 35,000.

[3:38:22] >> We're carry for and we're carrying over

[3:38:25] » We're carry for and we're carrying over

[3:38:25] the one. Got it.

[3:38:26] >> Thank you.

[3:38:29] » Yes, ma'am. Got it.

[3:38:30] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:38:33] » Okay. Thank you.

[3:38:33] >> Okay. And can you clarify? Is this phase

[3:38:36] » Okay. And can you clarify? Is this phase

[3:38:36] two? I know I called it phase one, which

[3:38:38] is where I think we got in the

[3:38:39] confusion.

[3:38:40] >> Go ahead. We're going to I think there's

[3:38:42] » Go ahead. We're going to I think there's

[3:38:42] Let me let me walk you through a couple

[3:38:44] and there's only there's certain things

[3:38:45] I'm going to need to tell you at the

[3:38:47] next council meeting. Okay.

[3:38:48] >> As it relates to rideway,

[3:38:51] » As it relates to rideway,

[3:38:51] >> um this project right now in yellow is

[3:38:54] » um this project right now in yellow is

[3:38:54] under design. We'll bring you plans for

[3:38:56] presentation 60% plans. At the council

[3:38:59] meeting, we're also going to bring you

[3:39:00] back an update on the rightway.

[3:39:02] >> Okay. Now, the reason there there's

[3:39:05] » Okay. Now, the reason there there's

[3:39:05] >> rightway of the yellow or rightway of

[3:39:06] » rightway of the yellow or rightway of

[3:39:06] all

[3:39:07] >> um right away for yellow.

[3:39:09] » um right away for yellow.

[3:39:09] >> Okay. Okay. Um the reason that um

[3:39:14] » Okay. Okay. Um the reason that um

[3:39:14] so so right now we got phase one in

[3:39:16] yellow and then phase two naturally

[3:39:19] would be some sort of continuation of

[3:39:22] the project down to Blue Mountain Road.

[3:39:24] Okay. Now what we may need to discuss or

[3:39:28] what we will discuss with you would be

[3:39:31] um if there are rightway acquisition

[3:39:36] um delays or uh we're not able to

[3:39:39] acquire rightaway there is a solution

[3:39:45] and I'm going to do this the best I can.

[3:39:48] I'm not real good at drawing stuff but

[3:39:50] where my red box is that's the right way

[3:39:52] we need. Okay. If for whatever reason

[3:39:55] that rightaway can't be obtained in a in

[3:39:58] a manner that you guys are okay with, we

[3:40:01] looked at the possibility of doing a

[3:40:04] project where we could basically add

[3:40:06] here's the existing configuration of the

[3:40:09] ultimate section. These two lanes here

[3:40:11] represent the 26 ft lanes that are

[3:40:14] currently constructed in front of

[3:40:15] stream. Then you've got a large median

[3:40:17] and what we were proposing to build this

[3:40:19] next year were these westbound lanes.

[3:40:22] Everybody visualize that?

[3:40:23] >> Yes. If for whatever reason that rideway

[3:40:26] » Yes. If for whatever reason that rideway

[3:40:26] cannot be attained in a schedule or in a

[3:40:28] timeline that the town or the city is

[3:40:30] happy with, we looked at the possibility

[3:40:33] of trying to construct a third lane in

[3:40:36] the existing rideway to facilitate a

[3:40:40] connection between Hasslet Parkway and

[3:40:43] Pasque. And what we what we've come up

[3:40:45] with is we can make it fit. We would

[3:40:48] basically tie in to the pavement that

[3:40:50] was constructed um with city funds as

[3:40:54] part of the stream development agreement

[3:40:56] and then add in uh transitional pavement

[3:41:00] through this large driveway here and

[3:41:02] then you would transition back to

[3:41:04] two-way traffic and come up to a

[3:41:07] standard four-way intersection. Now,

[3:41:09] that's not ideal, but that's that's

[3:41:11] something that we need to look at and

[3:41:13] we'll discuss more with you um at the

[3:41:16] next council meeting.

[3:41:17] >> Is is this intersection a huge priority

[3:41:20] » Is is this intersection a huge priority

[3:41:20] that we can't wait until we get, you

[3:41:22] know, the the rightway? I mean, is it

[3:41:25] >> I mean, I know that we want this, but is

[3:41:27] » I mean, I know that we want this, but is

[3:41:27] it something

[3:41:27] >> I'm with you

[3:41:27] » I'm with you

[3:41:28] >> the I mean,

[3:41:28] » the I mean,

[3:41:28] >> I'm with you.

[3:41:29] » I'm with you.

[3:41:29] >> I'd rather wait until we can get the

[3:41:30] » I'd rather wait until we can get the

[3:41:30] rightway instead of try to rush it. I

[3:41:32] mean, like, if it takes another year to

[3:41:33] get the rideway, that that's it. I don't

[3:41:34] think this is an intersection, but right

[3:41:36] here is a [snorts] huge

[3:41:37] >> Well, what what this intersection, in my

[3:41:39] » Well, what what this intersection, in my

[3:41:39] opinion, what this intersection will do

[3:41:41] is take some of the pressure off of the

[3:41:42] Harmon Road has a parkway intersection

[3:41:45] because since the QT got built there and

[3:41:48] the traffic keeps growing, lots of times

[3:41:50] that light is now backing up, if you're

[3:41:52] trying to turn right out off of Harmon

[3:41:55] onto Hazit Parkway, for example. So,

[3:41:58] this will allow another option for

[3:41:59] people to get onto Hazit Parkway.

[3:42:03] And what I'm hearing is this is just a

[3:42:05] plan B if if we can't get the

[3:42:08] [clears throat] rod away and do it the

[3:42:09] way we want to do it.

[3:42:10] >> We we we are moving forward with the

[3:42:11] » We we we are moving forward with the

[3:42:11] design as as instructed for the

[3:42:14] ultimate.

[3:42:15] >> Um we will bring you 60% plans. We will

[3:42:18] » Um we will bring you 60% plans. We will

[3:42:18] also bring you some more information on

[3:42:19] the rideway and try to make sure we've

[3:42:23] got good direction on on how to proceed.

[3:42:25] I mean, we really need to put in a right

[3:42:27] turn lane at Harmon Road and has a

[3:42:29] parkway too the way the traffic's going

[3:42:31] now. But

[3:42:33] >> so question, I mean, is there a concern

[3:42:35] » so question, I mean, is there a concern

[3:42:35] on the rightway?

[3:42:36] >> Cuz you don't normally plan a plan B

[3:42:39] » Cuz you don't normally plan a plan B

[3:42:39] unless

[3:42:39] >> I think that's what we're talking about.

[3:42:41] » I think that's what we're talking about.

[3:42:41] >> Oh,

[3:42:41] » Oh,

[3:42:41] >> Monday night.

[3:42:42] » Monday night.

[3:42:42] >> Are you going to give us more

[3:42:43] » Are you going to give us more

[3:42:43] information about that? Okay. So then

[3:42:45] the next question is that M that exit

[3:42:50] point right here. That's going to be

[3:42:51] trucks. Do we really think they can make

[3:42:53] that turn in two lanes? because I don't

[3:42:54] want traffic coming down when a truck's

[3:42:57] turning. Do you see my concern?

[3:42:58] >> That's why the third lane goes past

[3:43:00] » That's why the third lane goes past

[3:43:00] that.

[3:43:00] >> I understand, but I don't think a truck

[3:43:03] » I understand, but I don't think a truck

[3:43:03] can make that turn without hitting that

[3:43:05] curb consistently. Won't it have to go

[3:43:06] into that sorry

[3:43:08] >> that lane?

[3:43:09] » that lane?

[3:43:09] >> We feel like at a minimum

[3:43:12] » We feel like at a minimum

[3:43:12] um this is what's required to

[3:43:14] facilitate.

[3:43:16] That's why we've taken this transitional

[3:43:18] pavement back through. Um this this turn

[3:43:22] lane

[3:43:23] is kind of um we didn't do a good job of

[3:43:26] showing this. This could just be a

[3:43:27] striped um center turn lane if that

[3:43:32] makes sense. I do understand the concern

[3:43:34] about truck traffic and turning and

[3:43:36] that's that that's the reason why we

[3:43:38] couldn't open up open it up as a

[3:43:40] two-lane road because those trucks are

[3:43:41] swinging too wide. So,

[3:43:43] >> just something for us to consider if we

[3:43:45] » just something for us to consider if we

[3:43:45] have to go with B preparing to make sure

[3:43:47] they can see those like incoming cars

[3:43:50] because they're fast down that road. I

[3:43:52] just see a head-on collision with a

[3:43:54] truck happening because they can't see.

[3:43:56] >> And I know at our what our one of our

[3:43:58] » And I know at our what our one of our

[3:43:58] previous council meetings, we talked

[3:43:59] about it not being and this is phase

[3:44:01] two, but or phase three, I don't know,

[3:44:03] but it not being a straight line. We had

[3:44:06] talked about adding some natural

[3:44:08] curvatures. That'll be later

[3:44:09] >> and we we we'll have that ready for

[3:44:11] » and we we we'll have that ready for

[3:44:11] discussion at the council meeting.

[3:44:13] [cough] We've got we've [clears throat]

[3:44:14] got two different options for traffic

[3:44:16] calming. We've got some roadway designs.

[3:44:21] We've also got some uh roundabouts as

[3:44:23] well. So, we'll we'll get some direction

[3:44:25] on on the phase two.

[3:44:26] >> So, the money is good. The one point the

[3:44:28] » So, the money is good. The one point the

[3:44:28] 1.1 plus the 35, that's a good amount.

[3:44:30] >> Yes, ma'am.

[3:44:31] » Yes, ma'am.

[3:44:31] >> Okay.

[3:44:33] » Okay.

[3:44:33] And I guess it really isn't like wasting

[3:44:36] the funds in building that because truly

[3:44:37] that could just be a turn lane that's

[3:44:39] useful in the future. We wouldn't tear

[3:44:41] that down, right? That's what we would

[3:44:42] we would just restripe it.

[3:44:44] >> Well, I think we were planning to build

[3:44:46] » Well, I think we were planning to build

[3:44:46] that out of uh out of hot mix. Um on the

[3:44:49] interim, we could we could look at if if

[3:44:52] we have to go with the plan B, we could

[3:44:54] look at or we could bid it both ways

[3:44:56] >> just yeah with with the trucks and the

[3:44:58] » just yeah with with the trucks and the

[3:44:58] future plans for that area and the cars.

[3:45:00] It might be beneficial if we go plan B.

[3:45:07] » We can we can do that.

[3:45:08] >> We'll we'll get there.

[3:45:09] » We'll we'll get there.

[3:45:09] >> We'll get there. I we'll bring you some

[3:45:11] » We'll get there. I we'll bring you some

[3:45:11] plans at the at the meeting. We'll have

[3:45:13] an update on the on the rideway

[3:45:15] discussion as well.

[3:45:16] >> Sounds good.

[3:45:18] » Sounds good.

[3:45:18] >> Okay. So, that's why it's phase one,

[3:45:21] » Okay. So, that's why it's phase one,

[3:45:21] phase two, phase three,

[3:45:24] phase 1 A.

[3:45:27] I'm still confused at what phase

[3:45:28] >> I messed up on my spreadsheet.

[3:45:30] » I messed up on my spreadsheet.

[3:45:30] >> Okay, so this is so it is phase

[3:45:32] » Okay, so this is so it is phase

[3:45:32] >> just say one and two for now.

[3:45:34] » just say one and two for now.

[3:45:34] >> Sorry

[3:45:36] » Sorry

[3:45:36] phase phase one is the small section.

[3:45:38] Phase two is the big section. Correct.

[3:45:40] >> Mayor, are you clear on that because you

[3:45:41] » Mayor, are you clear on that because you

[3:45:41] had some confusion?

[3:45:42] >> I need something to clarify. That's one

[3:45:43] » I need something to clarify. That's one

[3:45:44] of the things I needed to visit with you

[3:45:45] on.

[3:45:46] >> Well, can we clarify? Phase one would be

[3:45:49] » Well, can we clarify? Phase one would be

[3:45:49] the minimum to tie that intersection

[3:45:51] into the existing lanes

[3:45:54] and install a signal light.

[3:45:56] >> It's all

[3:45:57] » It's all

[3:45:57] >> that would be phase one. That would be

[3:45:59] » that would be phase one. That would be

[3:45:59] the if we have to go that route. Phase

[3:46:03] two is taking from Hassa Parkway down to

[3:46:07] Pasque. Is that correct?

[3:46:08] >> No.

[3:46:09] » No.

[3:46:09] >> No. Phase two is pass.

[3:46:10] » No. Phase two is pass.

[3:46:10] >> Tell me what phase one is.

[3:46:12] » Tell me what phase one is.

[3:46:12] >> Phase one two and phase three.

[3:46:14] » Phase one two and phase three.

[3:46:14] >> Phase one is young. Right now it's phase

[3:46:16] » Phase one is young. Right now it's phase

[3:46:16] one and phase two. What's on this

[3:46:18] exhibit? There is no phase three

[3:46:21] at this point. Now there may need to we

[3:46:23] may need to pivot depending on the

[3:46:25] rideway and look at an interim project.

[3:46:28] >> So that would be a phase 1 A.

[3:46:30] » So that would be a phase 1 A.

[3:46:30] >> Correct. That would probably be a better

[3:46:32] » Correct. That would probably be a better

[3:46:32] way.

[3:46:32] >> Phase 1 A is

[3:46:35] » Phase 1 A is

[3:46:35] we have to do this to open up and

[3:46:37] utilize the road until right away can be

[3:46:40] obtained.

[3:46:41] >> Correct.

[3:46:41] » Correct.

[3:46:41] >> Yes. And so we could and that because

[3:46:45] » Yes. And so we could and that because

[3:46:45] you have 1.135, you can do either one or

[3:46:48] 1 A. That's just going to drop itself

[3:46:50] out

[3:46:50] >> as we as we move forward. So maybe we

[3:46:53] » as we as we move forward. So maybe we

[3:46:53] label it that one 1A.

[3:46:55] >> Can we under the same?

[3:46:56] » Can we under the same?

[3:46:56] >> Okay. So Marcy, do you have that? We're

[3:46:59] » Okay. So Marcy, do you have that? We're

[3:46:59] going to label it one.

[3:47:01] >> There we go.

[3:47:03] » There we go.

[3:47:03] >> Beautiful.

[3:47:04] » Beautiful.

[3:47:04] >> And we'll we'll uh this this exhibit

[3:47:06] » And we'll we'll uh this this exhibit

[3:47:06] will get updated.

[3:47:08] >> Well, this exhibit would have to be

[3:47:09] » Well, this exhibit would have to be

[3:47:10] updated. It's not simply just labeling

[3:47:12] something one a over here.

[3:47:14] >> Yes, he he's saying he's updating it

[3:47:15] » Yes, he he's saying he's updating it

[3:47:15] >> and I'll I'll I'll bring this back.

[3:47:18] » and I'll I'll I'll bring this back.

[3:47:18] >> Good.

[3:47:21] » State three.

[3:47:22] >> Do we have the

[3:47:24] » Do we have the

[3:47:24] >> phase?

[3:47:26] » phase?

[3:47:26] >> So, you're not wanting to do anything

[3:47:27] » So, you're not wanting to do anything

[3:47:27] for phase two next year, correct? Even

[3:47:29] rideaway acquisition.

[3:47:31] >> Uh I don't know that we've I don't know

[3:47:32] » Uh I don't know that we've I don't know

[3:47:32] that we have any rideway that we need to

[3:47:34] acquire unless there's some down there

[3:47:35] at the corner.

[3:47:36] >> What did you We have it all.

[3:47:38] » What did you We have it all.

[3:47:38] It's all

[3:47:39] >> showing there.

[3:47:42] » showing there.

[3:47:42] >> So all the

[3:47:43] » So all the

[3:47:43] >> huge all the way down that was

[3:47:45] » huge all the way down that was

[3:47:45] dedicated. [clears throat]

[3:47:46] >> Yeah, there now there may need to be

[3:47:48] » Yeah, there now there may need to be

[3:47:48] some depending on what your direction is

[3:47:51] as far as the intersection treatments,

[3:47:53] >> but we can get into all that and there

[3:47:54] » but we can get into all that and there

[3:47:54] there's there's plenty of money in this

[3:47:56] budget to figure that out. We don't need

[3:47:58] any additional funds for phase two. We

[3:48:00] don't.

[3:48:01] >> Do you want us to put phase one 1A/2 in

[3:48:05] » Do you want us to put phase one 1A/2 in

[3:48:05] case you need a little?

[3:48:06] >> So Marcy's just labeling it SD3 and

[3:48:08] » So Marcy's just labeling it SD3 and

[3:48:08] that's going to clarify everything.

[3:48:10] >> There we go.

[3:48:11] » There we go.

[3:48:11] >> Beautiful.

[3:48:11] » Beautiful.

[3:48:11] >> There we go.

[3:48:13] » There we go.

[3:48:13] >> I just say they'll check project S3.

[3:48:16] » I just say they'll check project S3.

[3:48:16] >> Okay.

[3:48:16] » Okay.

[3:48:16] >> There we go.

[3:48:17] » There we go.

[3:48:17] >> And also Jasmine, in the future, if your

[3:48:18] » And also Jasmine, in the future, if your

[3:48:18] HOA decided to, they could tie into a

[3:48:22] back entrance for your neighborhood into

[3:48:23] this road, but it's not currently

[3:48:25] planned because

[3:48:28] >> there's not a connection. But there's

[3:48:29] » there's not a connection. But there's

[3:48:29] two spots right there that could connect

[3:48:30] if you wanted to.

[3:48:32] >> I'd be curious to see what the community

[3:48:33] » I'd be curious to see what the community

[3:48:33] thought.

[3:48:34] >> Your HOA would have to decide that.

[3:48:35] » Your HOA would have to decide that.

[3:48:36] >> Yeah.

[3:48:37] » Yeah.

[3:48:37] [clears throat]

[3:48:38] >> Good point.

[3:48:39] » Good point.

[3:48:40] >> Okay. So, we'll bring back this exhibit.

[3:48:42] » Okay. So, we'll bring back this exhibit.

[3:48:42] There's going to be a phase two. There's

[3:48:44] two alternatives that we're going to

[3:48:46] propose for phase two for traffic

[3:48:48] calming and then we'll bring our plans

[3:48:50] for phase one 60% design. And we'll have

[3:48:54] an update for the rideway.

[3:48:56] >> Thank you. in executive session.

[3:48:58] » Thank you. in executive session.

[3:48:58] >> Perfect.

[3:48:59] » Perfect.

[3:48:59] >> Okay.

[3:49:01] » Okay.

[3:49:01] Anything else on project SD3?

[3:49:06] >> Go ahead.

[3:49:07] » Go ahead.

[3:49:07] >> Um, it shows on here we don't have any

[3:49:10] » Um, it shows on here we don't have any

[3:49:10] money budgeted for S from from past to

[3:49:13] Blue Mountains, right?

[3:49:14] >> Yep.

[3:49:15] » Yep.

[3:49:15] >> Is that correct?

[3:49:15] » Is that correct?

[3:49:15] >> That's what we just talked about. We

[3:49:16] » That's what we just talked about. We

[3:49:16] don't need it next year.

[3:49:17] >> Okay. I don't know. I I this might not

[3:49:20] » Okay. I don't know. I I this might not

[3:49:20] sound very popular decision or thought,

[3:49:22] but I feel like we have other projects

[3:49:25] that are like Blue Mound and John Day

[3:49:27] like or Blue Mound and I feel like we

[3:49:29] have other roads that are more important

[3:49:31] right now than than um Interal from past

[3:49:36] cuz that's I mean I don't know how many

[3:49:39] cars going that a day.

[3:49:41] >> It's the danger. It's that road is

[3:49:43] » It's the danger. It's that road is

[3:49:43] extreme. No, I know it's it's dangerous,

[3:49:44] but I mean like I feel like the Blue

[3:49:46] Mountains, the intersections, I feel

[3:49:48] like we need to put more time and more I

[3:49:50] feel like we need to really get those

[3:49:51] going before John before interal. Um I

[3:49:55] don't know my my mind I think that's a

[3:49:58] down the road. I know it's only a

[3:50:00] two-lane road. I know it's dangerous,

[3:50:01] but I think we need to get the uh

[3:50:04] intermodal phase one done, but I think

[3:50:06] phase two from PAS, I think that could

[3:50:08] wait a good while. I think for sure.

[3:50:10] >> Yeah, that's what's on here. We don't

[3:50:11] » Yeah, that's what's on here. We don't

[3:50:11] have anything until 2031 beyond.

[3:50:14] >> Yeah, we're not doing phase 2 right now.

[3:50:16] » Yeah, we're not doing phase 2 right now.

[3:50:16] >> Okay. Well, we talked about doing we

[3:50:17] » Okay. Well, we talked about doing we

[3:50:17] talked about doing schematics and stuff

[3:50:19] like that. So, I'm just saying I think

[3:50:20] we should even hold off on that and to

[3:50:22] get everything else. Don't even put any

[3:50:23] money in that.

[3:50:24] >> It's just what he has to do for the like

[3:50:26] » It's just what he has to do for the like

[3:50:26] overlay. He's not focusing too much on

[3:50:28] phase two. He's going to bring cost for

[3:50:30] us to plan and prepare for future. Okay.

[3:50:32] >> But my understanding is the only part of

[3:50:34] » But my understanding is the only part of

[3:50:34] phase two [clears throat] he's really

[3:50:34] touching is what he needs to plan for

[3:50:37] the future. Mike, is that correct?

[3:50:38] >> That's correct. and the the intersection

[3:50:40] » That's correct. and the the intersection

[3:50:40] at Blue Mound. We can cover the

[3:50:42] intersection design at Blue Mound, which

[3:50:44] is the um that can be covered with the

[3:50:47] schematic for Blue Mound. um that that

[3:50:50] entrance into SweetG Grass, we can we

[3:50:53] can come up with enough during the

[3:50:54] design of phase one and this work that

[3:50:57] we're going to be doing over the next

[3:50:58] couple weeks to update you to know um

[3:51:02] what if any rideway needs because that

[3:51:04] would be critical path would be get your

[3:51:06] direction on how you'd like to calm the

[3:51:09] speeds down. Pick a pick the type of

[3:51:11] design you want, go through our two

[3:51:13] recommended options, and then identify

[3:51:15] the rideway needs. And there's plenty of

[3:51:17] money in this phase one budget to take

[3:51:19] care of that.

[3:51:21] >> We are setting a trailer out next week,

[3:51:25] » We are setting a trailer out next week,

[3:51:25] speed trailers on Interotal

[3:51:28] to take traffic counts and speeds.

[3:51:31] >> Thank you.

[3:51:32] » Thank you.

[3:51:32] >> That uh [clears throat]

[3:51:36] » so that'll be information and that might

[3:51:38] be available in three or four weeks.

[3:51:41] >> I drive on that road a lot. There's

[3:51:43] » I drive on that road a lot. There's

[3:51:43] actually not a speed limit sign anywhere

[3:51:45] on that road.

[3:51:48] Well, James Tucker thinks it's Ottabon.

[3:51:53] >> So, [clears throat] I I assume it's 35

[3:51:55] » So, [clears throat] I I assume it's 35

[3:51:55] because that's, you know, that's what

[3:51:57] they say.

[3:51:57] >> All Urban Street is 30 actually. Is it's

[3:52:01] » All Urban Street is 30 actually. Is it's

[3:52:01] just residential. Uh that's just state

[3:52:03] law,

[3:52:04] >> but that's not a res.

[3:52:05] » but that's not a res.

[3:52:05] >> You're right about that. It's just uh

[3:52:07] » You're right about that. It's just uh

[3:52:07] you might make a note of that.

[3:52:09] >> There's not a single speed limit sign on

[3:52:11] » There's not a single speed limit sign on

[3:52:11] that road.

[3:52:13] >> Yeah.

[3:52:13] » Yeah.

[3:52:13] >> 75,

[3:52:14] » 75,

[3:52:14] >> right? No, they go 90. I'm telling you.

[3:52:17] » right? No, they go 90. I'm telling you.

[3:52:17] >> From from Blue Mound to over to Hazard

[3:52:18] » From from Blue Mound to over to Hazard

[3:52:18] Parkway on Inner Motoral right there,

[3:52:20] there's not a single speed limit sign.

[3:52:23] >> And it's not and it's not a residential

[3:52:24] » And it's not and it's not a residential

[3:52:24] road. It's a major road,

[3:52:27] >> arterial, whatever you want to call it.

[3:52:28] » arterial, whatever you want to call it.

[3:52:28] So, it shouldn't be 30.

[3:52:30] >> What What would you like for it to be?

[3:52:31] » What What would you like for it to be?

[3:52:31] >> 90.

[3:52:33] » 90.

[3:52:33] >> No, I I always assume it's 35 and I

[3:52:36] » No, I I always assume it's 35 and I

[3:52:36] assume I drive. No one goes 35.

[3:52:38] >> Nobody. But

[3:52:41] » Nobody. But

[3:52:41] >> I go 36.

[3:52:45] What's next?

[3:52:46] >> ST.

[3:52:47] » ST.

[3:52:47] >> Everyone good with one, two, three, and

[3:52:49] » Everyone good with one, two, three, and

[3:52:49] four? We're moving on to

[3:52:51] >> I just had one question from when I was

[3:52:52] » I just had one question from when I was

[3:52:52] nurse or sorry um the [laughter]

[3:52:56] >> sorry the the rightway acquisition for

[3:53:00] » sorry the the rightway acquisition for

[3:53:00] um John Day who's doing that?

[3:53:07] » Who's physically going to do that?

[3:53:08] >> Who's working on those conversations?

[3:53:10] » Who's working on those conversations?

[3:53:10] Um,

[3:53:11] >> with regard to what portion of John Day

[3:53:14] » with regard to what portion of John Day

[3:53:14] Road,

[3:53:15] >> the south, the one that we're working

[3:53:16] » the south, the one that we're working

[3:53:16] >> talking about John Day Road, any um the

[3:53:20] » talking about John Day Road, any um the

[3:53:20] right away, the north south aspect of

[3:53:22] it. You're not talking about anything on

[3:53:24] Blue Road, are you?

[3:53:25] >> Correct. I'm talking about

[3:53:27] » Correct. I'm talking about

[3:53:27] >> all of south of John Day.

[3:53:31] » Oh, I guess that's SD5. I can wait.

[3:53:34] >> You can wait. That's where we're about

[3:53:35] » You can wait. That's where we're about

[3:53:35] to go. So, that's a good

[3:53:37] >> I misread. I'm sorry. That's a good

[3:53:38] » I misread. I'm sorry. That's a good

[3:53:38] segue into SD5.

[3:53:40] >> Perfect.

[3:53:41] » Perfect.

[3:53:41] >> So, John Day Road, um,

[3:53:45] » So, John Day Road, um,

[3:53:45] this is the southern portion that's

[3:53:47] built currently as a two-lane black top

[3:53:50] road. We put this rough concept together

[3:53:54] a couple of years ago when we were

[3:53:57] trying to coordinate and plan the

[3:53:59] entrances into the Lrrell property.

[3:54:02] And so, um,

[3:54:06] one of the things that that we were

[3:54:09] asked to look at a couple of months ago

[3:54:12] was, um, what can we do to get going on

[3:54:15] the design indoor rideway acquisition

[3:54:18] for John Day Road? This piece of John

[3:54:20] Day Road. Um,

[3:54:22] >> are you telling me that LRL is going to

[3:54:23] » are you telling me that LRL is going to

[3:54:23] have two exits from their neighborhood

[3:54:25] onto that road?

[3:54:26] >> Yes.

[3:54:26] » Yes.

[3:54:26] >> Oh my gosh.

[3:54:28] » Oh my gosh.

[3:54:28] and those and so subsequent to that

[3:54:31] meeting that council meeting where you

[3:54:33] where you all said hey we want to look

[3:54:35] into this go figure it out what it would

[3:54:37] take um the lapril developer has brought

[3:54:41] his plans in and said we need to work

[3:54:44] with the city to lower

[3:54:47] um or to install drainage coverts and

[3:54:50] this isn't exact but it's close enough

[3:54:53] there's there's a three ponds I don't

[3:54:56] know if this is right or not, it doesn't

[3:54:58] matter. It's close enough.

[3:55:00] There's three ponds that have to go in

[3:55:03] for this development. They're roughly

[3:55:06] where I'm showing here on the screen.

[3:55:07] >> Yeah, you can see they're already

[3:55:08] » Yeah, you can see they're already

[3:55:08] working on them.

[3:55:09] >> Oh, yeah.

[3:55:10] » Oh, yeah.

[3:55:10] >> So, the that road when that road was

[3:55:12] » So, the that road when that road was

[3:55:12] built, that road was built above grade.

[3:55:16] So the coverts, in order for them to

[3:55:18] drain their ponds, which are lower than

[3:55:20] the roadway, they have to come in and

[3:55:23] install coververts, cross cover culverts

[3:55:25] underneath John Day Road to drain their

[3:55:28] detention ponds underneath John Day Road

[3:55:31] and then out into that 97 acres. So the

[3:55:34] the property owner of the 97 acres and

[3:55:37] the developer of LRL

[3:55:40] have an agreement in place and have a

[3:55:42] set of construction plans that they gave

[3:55:44] to us two weeks ago that said here's

[3:55:46] what we need to do here. And I said, you

[3:55:48] know, this seems reasonable, but we need

[3:55:51] to make sure that when you guys go and

[3:55:54] do this that these coverts are set at

[3:55:56] the right elevation so that they can

[3:55:58] accommodate the ultimate roadway

[3:56:00] improvements. Does that make sense to do

[3:56:03] that? You know, they're not proposing to

[3:56:05] go design the road. Um, I did tell them

[3:56:08] that, you know, it's going to take us a

[3:56:09] little bit of time to figure out from

[3:56:11] the city's perspective what what the

[3:56:14] necessary elevation of those facilities

[3:56:16] should be, the sizing of them because

[3:56:17] it's crossing underneath the road um is

[3:56:21] is is set up to just take their flow

[3:56:23] from their detention pond. And so we've

[3:56:26] got some money in here to do basically

[3:56:29] the schematic design of that roadway as

[3:56:34] part of this next year's budget and

[3:56:38] coordinate with the lapel folks and

[3:56:41] their their project. I think they're

[3:56:43] they're hoping to have those facilities

[3:56:45] in place by March of 27. That's when

[3:56:49] they really need to have those

[3:56:51] facilities in place. And so we we

[3:56:54] haven't even really we just got the

[3:56:56] final grading plans for the subdivision.

[3:56:59] They they sent those separate and aside

[3:57:01] from the drainage improvements. So we

[3:57:03] haven't really got into those. But um

[3:57:05] >> will they have to shut down the road to

[3:57:06] » will they have to shut down the road to

[3:57:06] do part of this?

[3:57:08] >> Oh, I'm sure they Yeah, it's they're

[3:57:10] » Oh, I'm sure they Yeah, it's they're

[3:57:10] they're box culverts.

[3:57:13] So that will be one of the things that

[3:57:14] we have to figure out is traffic control

[3:57:17] and

[3:57:17] >> when they're going to do it and how

[3:57:19] » when they're going to do it and how

[3:57:19] they're going to do it. Yes, sir.

[3:57:20] >> 3:00 in the morning only. They're also

[3:57:23] » 3:00 in the morning only. They're also

[3:57:23] across the street working on that 16inch

[3:57:26] water line

[3:57:28] that they've been interrupted because

[3:57:30] there's gas lines over there that they

[3:57:32] didn't locate during the design. Be

[3:57:33] >> a rough year.

[3:57:34] » a rough year.

[3:57:34] >> So, they found those out last was that

[3:57:36] » So, they found those out last was that

[3:57:36] last week?

[3:57:37] >> What' you say, Jasmine?

[3:57:39] » What' you say, Jasmine?

[3:57:39] >> So, that project shut down while they go

[3:57:40] » So, that project shut down while they go

[3:57:40] back and redo their engineering plans

[3:57:42] and send them back in.

[3:57:44] >> So, that is not currently in our budget.

[3:57:46] » So, that is not currently in our budget.

[3:57:46] Correct. That 200,000.

[3:57:48] >> That's right. That's correct.

[3:57:50] » That's right. That's correct.

[3:57:50] >> Yeah. So, if you wanted to add that um

[3:57:53] » Yeah. So, if you wanted to add that um

[3:57:53] >> I'm sorry, what do we need the 200,000

[3:57:55] » I'm sorry, what do we need the 200,000

[3:57:55] for?

[3:57:55] >> 55

[3:57:56] » 55

[3:57:56] >> 200,000 would get the get John Day road

[3:57:59] » 200,000 would get the get John Day road

[3:57:59] set up for for an ultimate schematic

[3:58:01] design.

[3:58:02] >> Get a pavement design report, geotech,

[3:58:05] » Get a pavement design report, geotech,

[3:58:05] identify the rideway, get the rideway

[3:58:07] docks prepared, do the horizontal and

[3:58:09] vertical.

[3:58:10] >> So, we would need we would need 200,000

[3:58:12] » So, we would need we would need 200,000

[3:58:12] this year, 800 the next year, 310 the

[3:58:15] next year, and then 7.8 to build it.

[3:58:16] >> That's Yeah, if you want some point

[3:58:18] » That's Yeah, if you want some point

[3:58:18] >> Yeah. If you wanted to do the $ 8.4

[3:58:20] » Yeah. If you wanted to do the $ 8.4

[3:58:20] million project, build four lanes of

[3:58:22] concrete,

[3:58:24] >> that's what it would take to get

[3:58:25] » that's what it would take to get

[3:58:25] >> four lanes of not the black top is there

[3:58:27] » four lanes of not the black top is there

[3:58:27] now.

[3:58:27] >> Correct. Build it just like the north

[3:58:29] » Correct. Build it just like the north

[3:58:29] end in L. Yes, sir.

[3:58:30] >> And that's without the roundabouts.

[3:58:33] » And that's without the roundabouts.

[3:58:33] >> No, I got the roundabouts factored in.

[3:58:35] » No, I got the roundabouts factored in.

[3:58:35] >> Okay. So, I kind of want to speak to

[3:58:38] » Okay. So, I kind of want to speak to

[3:58:38] everyone for a minute. To me, this road

[3:58:41] would be one of the top most important

[3:58:43] ones in the city besides the

[3:58:44] intersections. And that's because we

[3:58:46] have to look to the future for the

[3:58:48] bridge and also the incoming traffic

[3:58:51] from there's three streets emptying out.

[3:58:53] And then also they haven't set exact

[3:58:56] plans, but they can have anywhere from

[3:58:58] two, correct me if I'm wrong, four.

[3:58:59] Can't they have a total of four exits or

[3:59:01] is it only the two

[3:59:02] >> um

[3:59:03] » um

[3:59:03] >> for the ILA? That would be

[3:59:05] » for the ILA? That would be

[3:59:05] >> I thought l

[3:59:06] » I thought l

[3:59:06] >> No, four.

[3:59:08] » No, four.

[3:59:08] >> Uh triple T is five.

[3:59:11] » Uh triple T is five.

[3:59:11] >> Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought

[3:59:12] » Yeah, that's what I thought. I thought

[3:59:12] it was significantly more. So between

[3:59:14] all that emptying out and then the

[3:59:16] future construction where we will at

[3:59:18] some point have that bridge exit shut

[3:59:20] down, you're talking about a community

[3:59:23] trapped to a a one each way, so two-lane

[3:59:26] road. We're going to have a huge problem

[3:59:27] if we don't get ahead of fixing John

[3:59:30] Day.

[3:59:30] >> Absolutely.

[3:59:31] » Absolutely.

[3:59:31] >> Um and that's not just a traffic

[3:59:33] » Um and that's not just a traffic

[3:59:33] concern, it's a safety concern. Um, I

[3:59:36] personally would like to see us

[3:59:39] prioritize this, even if we have to

[3:59:40] remove something else, and put a million

[3:59:43] to start getting that rightway acquired

[3:59:45] because it's just going to get more

[3:59:46] expensive. Um, and so we can also start

[3:59:49] speaking to our partners about getting

[3:59:52] them to go in on the funding. The

[3:59:53] rightway is just really important.

[3:59:55] They're about to start building on

[3:59:56] Triple T. They're trying to figure out

[3:59:58] who's interested. I think we get the

[3:59:59] right away while that land's empty. It's

[4:00:01] going to be a little easier and probably

[4:00:02] a little cheaper. Just

[4:00:04] >> when we talk about that Monday night,

[4:00:07] » when we talk about that Monday night,

[4:00:07] >> I I'm talking about putting it in the

[4:00:09] » I I'm talking about putting it in the

[4:00:09] budget for next year.

[4:00:10] >> Okay.

[4:00:12] » Okay.

[4:00:12] >> Not the details. I just think we should

[4:00:14] » Not the details. I just think we should

[4:00:14] put more than even if we don't do all

[4:00:16] I'm Well, that's one landowner. Wouldn't

[4:00:18] it be one purchase?

[4:00:19] >> Yeah, it'd be pretty straightforward.

[4:00:20] » Yeah, it'd be pretty straightforward.

[4:00:20] It's just expensive.

[4:00:23] >> So 1 million would be the 200,000 for

[4:00:25] » So 1 million would be the 200,000 for

[4:00:25] this year and the 800,000.

[4:00:26] >> You want to slide that 800 over to this

[4:00:29] » You want to slide that 800 over to this

[4:00:29] year?

[4:00:29] >> I think we need to. We're going to have

[4:00:31] » I think we need to. We're going to have

[4:00:31] to move this up the bridge. Let's let's

[4:00:32] put in the 1 million if that's if we

[4:00:35] agree and then we can go back and look

[4:00:36] and see

[4:00:37] >> how that plays out with in the budget.

[4:00:40] » how that plays out with in the budget.

[4:00:40] >> Mike, would you agree that it'll get

[4:00:41] » Mike, would you agree that it'll get

[4:00:41] more expensive as they develop that

[4:00:43] land, especially if they parcel it out

[4:00:45] to different

[4:00:47] >> Yes. And we don't we've been told by the

[4:00:50] » Yes. And we don't we've been told by the

[4:00:50] by the property owner that they don't

[4:00:52] have any intent to plat the property

[4:00:54] that they intent to parcel it out in 10

[4:00:56] acre parcels or more which would then

[4:01:01] multip them to dedicate right away.

[4:01:04] >> Okay. So we do need to get in front of

[4:01:05] » Okay. So we do need to get in front of

[4:01:05] this in your

[4:01:06] >> Yes. I would recommend that. And I I

[4:01:08] » Yes. I would recommend that. And I I

[4:01:08] mean I yeah I agree with the $1 million

[4:01:11] placeholder, but we also possibly

[4:01:13] [clears throat] hopefully you have a

[4:01:15] little bit of the right of way for the

[4:01:17] John Day improvements could be less. And

[4:01:19] then there's a couple other things I I

[4:01:21] want to talk about possibly sliding out.

[4:01:23] So I'm okay with 1 million because I

[4:01:24] agree with what you said.

[4:01:26] >> And then just for future Mike, when

[4:01:28] » And then just for future Mike, when

[4:01:28] you're doing the rightway acquisition

[4:01:30] for this, I would like to possibly be a

[4:01:32] part of it with Joe. We did establish

[4:01:34] kind of a relationship with them back a

[4:01:36] few months ago. I think just if we can

[4:01:39] be a part of those conversations.

[4:01:42] >> Understood.

[4:01:45] » Understood.

[4:01:45] >> Um

[4:01:47] » Um

[4:01:47] Mike,

[4:01:47] >> so is there consensus on that?

[4:01:50] » so is there consensus on that?

[4:01:50] >> So how much money are you adding

[4:01:52] » So how much money are you adding

[4:01:52] million? What project? John Day Road.

[4:01:54] >> There's no line. So it' be a new line

[4:01:56] » There's no line. So it' be a new line

[4:01:56] item for SD51 million.

[4:01:58] >> I'm going with 1 million, Chris.

[4:02:01] » I'm going with 1 million, Chris.

[4:02:01] >> And that is for right away.

[4:02:02] » And that is for right away.

[4:02:02] >> Undecided.

[4:02:04] » Undecided.

[4:02:04] >> Schematic and right away. I thought you

[4:02:06] » Schematic and right away. I thought you

[4:02:06] guys were doing a stare down.

[4:02:07] >> We We got to get ahead of it. We can't

[4:02:09] » We We got to get ahead of it. We can't

[4:02:09] We We We got to get going.

[4:02:10] >> I would give up like almost anything

[4:02:12] » I would give up like almost anything

[4:02:12] else just because I I

[4:02:13] >> have some ideas to get

[4:02:14] » have some ideas to get

[4:02:14] >> I'm trying to get a hold of the numbers.

[4:02:16] » I'm trying to get a hold of the numbers.

[4:02:16] Y'all just signed

[4:02:17] >> 1 million schematic and rideway John Day

[4:02:19] » 1 million schematic and rideway John Day

[4:02:19] Road South.

[4:02:20] >> Okay. You've got that already.

[4:02:23] » Okay. You've got that already.

[4:02:23] >> Oh, you going to move the 800,000 up

[4:02:25] » Oh, you going to move the 800,000 up

[4:02:25] now? No, I'm I'm saying we're putting

[4:02:27] one million We would like to put $1

[4:02:29] million into the budget for project SD5,

[4:02:33] which is John Day Road South schematic

[4:02:35] and right ofway.

[4:02:36] >> That 200,000 is not in the current. So,

[4:02:39] » That 200,000 is not in the current. So,

[4:02:39] they're putting both years in.

[4:02:42] >> Correct.

[4:02:43] » Correct.

[4:02:43] >> So, we're going to replace the 200,000

[4:02:45] » So, we're going to replace the 200,000

[4:02:45] with 1 million and put

[4:02:48] >> the 200,000 is not in the proposed. So,

[4:02:52] » the 200,000 is not in the proposed. So,

[4:02:52] they're adding a million,

[4:02:54] >> right? That that's what I said. Okay.

[4:03:07] » Okay.

[4:03:09] >> Uh Mike, one question.

[4:03:10] » Uh Mike, one question.

[4:03:10] >> Yes sir.

[4:03:12] » Yes sir.

[4:03:12] >> Um so in 20 29 20 2930 we need 7.8. Is

[4:03:18] » Um so in 20 29 20 2930 we need 7.8. Is

[4:03:18] there some way that uh we can

[4:03:21] >> Sorry, did I say it wrong?

[4:03:24] » Sorry, did I say it wrong?

[4:03:24] at on 20 2930 7.8 to to finish this.

[4:03:29] >> It could be a year earlier if because

[4:03:30] » It could be a year earlier if because

[4:03:30] we're putting year one and two already

[4:03:32] in.

[4:03:33] >> I know,

[4:03:33] » I know,

[4:03:33] >> but what Yeah.

[4:03:34] » but what Yeah.

[4:03:34] >> Um we currently don't have the money to

[4:03:37] » Um we currently don't have the money to

[4:03:37] do all this at once. So is there and

[4:03:40] that would be wonder if we did. Um but

[4:03:42] can is there somebody like at Lapril or

[4:03:44] is there somebody like that that we

[4:03:46] could talk to or is there a way that

[4:03:47] lapel could help us out with this money?

[4:03:50] Um I think we've talked about this

[4:03:52] recently, but could you is that

[4:03:53] something we could talk about now or is

[4:03:54] that

[4:03:55] >> We could also talk to ENTOG. We could

[4:03:56] » We could also talk to ENTOG. We could

[4:03:56] also do a bond. I mean all

[4:03:58] >> Yeah. One of one of the things that I

[4:03:59] » Yeah. One of one of the things that I

[4:03:59] would recommend is that some discussion

[4:04:01] be held with Fort Worth because there's

[4:04:04] uh the the impact fees that are going to

[4:04:06] be paid by the builder, which is Laprell

[4:04:09] himself. He had to build all of Waggley

[4:04:11] Robertson through his subdivision. and

[4:04:14] they were talking about uh the

[4:04:17] possibility of the him also paying

[4:04:20] impact fees. We looked into and we had

[4:04:23] some discussions with the impact fee uh

[4:04:25] program manager for Fort Worth a couple

[4:04:27] years ago. She said that they couldn't

[4:04:29] remit those impact fees to us because

[4:04:31] that road wasn't identified in their

[4:04:33] impact fee program. But I would suggest

[4:04:36] that maybe some additional discussions

[4:04:38] be held with Fort Worth and just do it

[4:04:40] through an agreement of some sort. We've

[4:04:42] we've we've got the data that shows the

[4:04:46] percentage of traffic um onto that

[4:04:48] roadway. Uh the the adjacent property is

[4:04:52] currently located in the county. So,

[4:04:54] we've got a a

[4:04:55] >> good argument,

[4:04:56] » good argument,

[4:04:56] >> a breakdown and we've also got the

[4:04:58] » a breakdown and we've also got the

[4:04:58] background traffic from Lata. So, I

[4:05:01] think those discussions need to occur um

[4:05:03] in order to find some additional

[4:05:06] partners to chip away at that 7.8

[4:05:08] million.

[4:05:10] But the but the initial funding and the

[4:05:12] initial lifting and agreements and all

[4:05:14] the things it's it's important to get

[4:05:16] that going because it's this one this

[4:05:18] one should go quicker I think than the

[4:05:20] intersections because there's fewer

[4:05:22] utilities to move and you're only

[4:05:24] dealing with one particular property

[4:05:25] owner for right away. If we started

[4:05:27] meeting with the Fort Worth and Laprrell

[4:05:28] and all that and with the impact fees

[4:05:30] and stuff, that's something that we

[4:05:32] could probably start now discussions and

[4:05:34] maybe next year hopefully, you know,

[4:05:36] those discussions go good, get some

[4:05:38] extra money to help out.

[4:05:40] >> Is that correct?

[4:05:40] » Is that correct?

[4:05:40] >> Yeah, I think that there's there's money

[4:05:42] » Yeah, I think that there's there's money

[4:05:42] in here to to support that effort from

[4:05:44] our perspective. We could we could

[4:05:46] definitely support whatever

[4:05:48] >> whatever discussions need to be had.

[4:05:50] » whatever discussions need to be had.

[4:05:50] We've got the breakdown of traffic. We

[4:05:51] just really need to get a little bit

[4:05:53] into the design so we can fine-tune that

[4:05:55] cost a little bit and u ultimately

[4:05:59] decide on a footprint in the rideway.

[4:06:00] >> Exactly. Yeah. When I brought this

[4:06:02] » Exactly. Yeah. When I brought this

[4:06:02] forward a few months ago or six weeks

[4:06:05] ago, um that was the whole intent is to

[4:06:07] just get this to kind of the schematics

[4:06:09] and try to get the rightway acquired

[4:06:12] because it sets us up for them to want

[4:06:13] to partner with us when we're too far

[4:06:15] out into the future. They're like,

[4:06:16] "Maybe I can help you, maybe I can't."

[4:06:18] Like what does it look like? What are

[4:06:20] exactly are we asking for from them? And

[4:06:22] how ready to go are we? Because also

[4:06:24] Hasllet has a tendency of kind of

[4:06:28] not agreeing on the path forward and in

[4:06:30] this situation we're saying we're all

[4:06:32] moving forward in this. This is how much

[4:06:33] we need to get it done. Here's the

[4:06:35] benefit. Here's the studies. So we go

[4:06:37] with them to or go to them with

[4:06:39] everything we need and just say help us

[4:06:43] please.

[4:06:53] » So

[4:06:55] where we landed was 1 million, right?

[4:06:57] >> Okay.

[4:06:59] » Okay.

[4:06:59] [clears throat]

[4:07:00] >> Okay. Next project we have uh fund 20

[4:07:04] » Okay. Next project we have uh fund 20

[4:07:04] roadway improvements.

[4:07:06] Um I don't have the sheets you all have.

[4:07:09] >> They're all in.

[4:07:10] » They're all in.

[4:07:10] >> They're all in

[4:07:10] » They're all in

[4:07:10] >> in the transportation tax fund.

[4:07:13] » in the transportation tax fund.

[4:07:13] >> So So let's walk through these real

[4:07:16] » So So let's walk through these real

[4:07:16] quick one by one. They're pretty

[4:07:17] straightforward projects. First one is a

[4:07:20] set of striping and pavement marking

[4:07:22] improvements that we recommend being

[4:07:24] done uh for Westport Interotal Harmon

[4:07:28] Blue Mound Keller Hasslet. I think um

[4:07:31] we're still under we're still under

[4:07:33] maintenance on that one. So, I put a

[4:07:35] note in to get that one dealt with. I

[4:07:38] did see that those pavement markings

[4:07:40] aren't holding up too well at 156.

[4:07:43] So, we've got a note in to get with our

[4:07:45] contractor on that, but just some

[4:07:47] pavement marking and improvements and we

[4:07:50] we feel like that's a good good number

[4:07:52] to start with for those. Um,

[4:07:55] Verona emergency repair.

[4:07:58] Did we were we trying to get that done

[4:08:00] in this budget?

[4:08:02] That's

[4:08:02] >> this budget year is taken care of

[4:08:04] » this budget year is taken care of

[4:08:04] already.

[4:08:05] >> Okay.

[4:08:06] » Okay.

[4:08:06] >> So, that one's done.

[4:08:08] » So, that one's done.

[4:08:08] Then we had Hasset Park interim repairs.

[4:08:12] Real similar to that recent set of

[4:08:14] improvements that was done back in

[4:08:16] April, May where we came in and got rid

[4:08:18] of that busted up unreinforced concrete

[4:08:21] and put down hot mix.

[4:08:23] I think we anticipate what was it

[4:08:26] Shriber that needed the next set of

[4:08:30] interim repairs. Was

[4:08:33] that the is that the 100,000? I see

[4:08:35] 100,000.

[4:08:37] >> Um, water crest. We had Verona. Um,

[4:08:43] » Um, water crest. We had Verona. Um,

[4:08:43] this is Verona. I I pulled this out.

[4:08:45] This was from last year. I think I

[4:08:47] presented this. This

[4:08:50] is the half million dollar block right

[4:08:52] here. This has to get rebuilt. We

[4:08:55] anticipate the source of that failure is

[4:08:58] inadequate compaction on that sewer

[4:08:59] trench. And so we were proposing to come

[4:09:01] back in and uh get that all rebuilt in a

[4:09:05] manner consistent with what the

[4:09:07] developer had done in Sweetgrass phase

[4:09:09] 2. Now

[4:09:11] >> that's in water crest. That's Verona.

[4:09:13] » that's in water crest. That's Verona.

[4:09:13] Yes.

[4:09:14] >> So that's on on top of the

[4:09:16] » So that's on on top of the

[4:09:16] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[4:09:17] » Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[4:09:18] >> It's in the vines.

[4:09:18] » It's in the vines.

[4:09:18] >> Oh, the vines. I'm sorry.

[4:09:20] » Oh, the vines. I'm sorry.

[4:09:20] >> That's their main main and out.

[4:09:24] » That's their main main and out.

[4:09:24] >> So there's two Verona repairs. No, this

[4:09:27] » So there's two Verona repairs. No, this

[4:09:28] is this is the only ver well there was a

[4:09:30] Verona emergency repair.

[4:09:33] >> Yeah, we did a repair earlier in the

[4:09:35] » Yeah, we did a repair earlier in the

[4:09:35] year and then this is pretty critical

[4:09:38] that this gets done. This is just

[4:09:39] further down.

[4:09:40] >> This is ma'am total. It's already

[4:09:44] » This is ma'am total. It's already

[4:09:44] >> this is just represent about 500,000 of

[4:09:46] » this is just represent about 500,000 of

[4:09:46] that 750.

[4:09:47] >> Yeah.

[4:09:50] » And this section here really is critical

[4:09:52] that it gets done. It's it is they got

[4:09:55] intermediate repairs just asphalt on top

[4:09:57] of stuff but it is so much pavement

[4:09:59] movement. It is absolutely have to be

[4:10:02] done.

[4:10:05] >> So the the north north Glenn Wimberly

[4:10:07] » So the the north north Glenn Wimberly

[4:10:08] those those are under construction as we

[4:10:10] speak. Those were authorized by the

[4:10:12] council on the third

[4:10:14] >> level one.

[4:10:15] » level one.

[4:10:15] >> Yes.

[4:10:15] » Yes.

[4:10:15] >> Okay.

[4:10:16] » Okay.

[4:10:16] >> So I misspoke earlier. the Careway

[4:10:19] » So I misspoke earlier. the Careway

[4:10:19] entrance 500,000 is not in

[4:10:22] >> but you added but I added $60,000 to

[4:10:26] » but you added but I added $60,000 to

[4:10:26] >> the [clears throat] 60 so there was 120

[4:10:28] » the [clears throat] 60 so there was 120

[4:10:28] total 120

[4:10:29] >> yes

[4:10:29] » yes

[4:10:30] >> okay and the and the 750 right now in

[4:10:33] » okay and the and the 750 right now in

[4:10:33] the budget we estimate this right here

[4:10:35] to be 500 so there'll

[4:10:37] >> be some

[4:10:37] » be some

[4:10:38] >> I think there's going to be some

[4:10:39] » I think there's going to be some

[4:10:39] leftover yes ma'am

[4:10:41] >> so looking on page 277 just to make make

[4:10:43] » so looking on page 277 just to make make

[4:10:43] sure I'm on the same page I have 120,000

[4:10:46] for the careway

[4:10:48] entrance is adding the s 100,000 Hassup

[4:10:51] Park 250,000 phase one striping plan

[4:10:56] 200 No well yeah I'll leave the $200,000

[4:10:59] for the Bane and then 750 for Verona

[4:11:03] Wimberly is that that correct

[4:11:05] >> okay

[4:11:10] » so I'll update my spreadsheet to say

[4:11:12] Careway entrances and I'll reflect the

[4:11:16] 120

[4:11:17] and then we'll come up with a cost

[4:11:18] estimate once we figure out how we're

[4:11:20] going to get the water out of there

[4:11:21] because we just threw some numbers in to

[4:11:23] get the discussion going.

[4:11:25] >> So, really quick, can um Marcy, can you

[4:11:27] » So, really quick, can um Marcy, can you

[4:11:27] also put SD6 on those in the back on

[4:11:29] page 277 to align

[4:11:32] >> through the rest of the document? And

[4:11:33] » through the rest of the document? And

[4:11:33] then the 200,000 for Bane is staying.

[4:11:42] » Okay. And where is that on your Bane?

[4:11:46] It's not because it was a current,

[4:11:49] >> but if we if it gets done this fiscal

[4:11:50] » but if we if it gets done this fiscal

[4:11:50] year and that 200,000 will go back to

[4:11:52] general fund.

[4:11:54] >> It'll go back in the transportation tax.

[4:11:55] » It'll go back in the transportation tax.

[4:11:56] >> Transportation. Oh, yes. 20. Okay.

[4:12:02] » Okay. So, Bane's not in your schedule.

[4:12:04] So, this doesn't have anything for the

[4:12:05] current year. It's only if it's going to

[4:12:07] next year.

[4:12:09] Got it.

[4:12:15] So SD6, the fund 20 roadway

[4:12:17] improvements. Everyone's

[4:12:20] good with that.

[4:12:21] >> Okay.

[4:12:23] » Okay.

[4:12:23] [clears throat]

[4:12:26] » SD7 Hasslet Park reinforced concrete

[4:12:28] paving.

[4:12:30] There was there I believe there's money

[4:12:32] in this year's budget to carry over and

[4:12:36] get into the design for Hassa Park

[4:12:39] concrete streets.

[4:12:41] Where is that in the

[4:12:42] >> There's a 120 that was added.

[4:12:46] » There's a 120 that was added.

[4:12:46] >> Um 120 I don't rather than the 180

[4:12:49] » Um 120 I don't rather than the 180

[4:12:49] that's on your sheet

[4:12:50] >> back on the general fund. I I think that

[4:12:53] » back on the general fund. I I think that

[4:12:53] that's something that that was one of my

[4:12:55] that was one of my um possible slideouts

[4:12:59] or possible weights one year to focus on

[4:13:04] the million the million of John Day

[4:13:06] road. It's just a possibility we can

[4:13:08] discuss as a council.

[4:13:10] love too if he was

[4:13:11] >> I know agree as a as a council person I

[4:13:14] » I know agree as a as a council person I

[4:13:14] have to think of the entire city not

[4:13:16] just my subdivision that I love and all

[4:13:18] my neighbors but I mean I was elected by

[4:13:22] >> a lot of people and everybody and I know

[4:13:24] » a lot of people and everybody and I know

[4:13:24] a lot of people and a lot of

[4:13:25] subdivisions either I taught them or I'm

[4:13:27] friends with them or so I'm not just

[4:13:29] thinking of myself or my neighborhood

[4:13:31] ever and I think this is one item we

[4:13:34] could possibly move one year out

[4:13:37] >> comments conversation We actually

[4:13:40] » comments conversation We actually

[4:13:40] on it

[4:13:42] >> the 120 Houselet Park reinforced

[4:13:44] » the 120 Houselet Park reinforced

[4:13:44] concrete paving design

[4:13:46] >> that's in our general fund.

[4:13:48] » that's in our general fund.

[4:13:48] >> Speaking from another resident in House

[4:13:50] » Speaking from another resident in House

[4:13:50] of Park, I I I would love to get it done

[4:13:53] now, but I think that the band-aids that

[4:13:55] we

[4:13:56] >> the band-aids that we did with the

[4:13:57] » the band-aids that we did with the

[4:13:57] asphalt has helped tremendously.

[4:14:00] >> Um I don't feel like I'm going to pop my

[4:14:01] » Um I don't feel like I'm going to pop my

[4:14:01] tire every time I go down Barry. Um,

[4:14:04] >> I mean, I would love to get it done

[4:14:05] » I mean, I would love to get it done

[4:14:05] because it's there's another spot on

[4:14:08] Odessa when I was walking the other

[4:14:10] morning that's pretty falling apart, but

[4:14:13] I think the band-aid we did could last

[4:14:15] us another year. But I don't

[4:14:17] >> I know that there's residents in our

[4:14:18] » I know that there's residents in our

[4:14:18] neighborhood that keep asking me, and I

[4:14:20] don't know about Tanya and Doug, when

[4:14:22] are we going to get this done? But I

[4:14:24] think if we can if we want to put that

[4:14:26] off another year, I think that will be

[4:14:27] okay because there are some other

[4:14:28] projects we need to get going. But the

[4:14:30] band-aid, if we didn't do the band-aid

[4:14:32] or the asphalt, I would I would push

[4:14:35] Tanya away right now.

[4:14:36] >> You still want to push her away. It's

[4:14:37] » You still want to push her away. It's

[4:14:37] okay.

[4:14:38] >> I I think that's I think that'll be okay

[4:14:40] » I I think that's I think that'll be okay

[4:14:40] because the the asphalt that we did

[4:14:42] helped tremendously. So, I really

[4:14:43] appreciate

[4:14:44] >> um our engineering team and and city

[4:14:47] » um our engineering team and and city

[4:14:47] getting that public works getting that

[4:14:48] done.

[4:14:49] >> Can we also just ask really quick, Mike,

[4:14:51] » Can we also just ask really quick, Mike,

[4:14:51] James, where do you guys think Hasllet

[4:14:53] Parkway is on the needs? Do you think

[4:14:55] it's a one-year out, two-year out? Do we

[4:14:57] need more money this year to potentially

[4:14:59] patch? He's talking about another spot.

[4:15:01] I'd just like to hear from you guys.

[4:15:03] >> So, on the one one of the challenges

[4:15:06] » So, on the one one of the challenges

[4:15:06] with that one is because that material

[4:15:08] is unpredictable. It is hard to say for

[4:15:10] sure over the next year. Will we have

[4:15:13] something considerable happen? It is

[4:15:16] more likely we'll need to do something.

[4:15:18] I think we could probably address it

[4:15:20] with the regular uh street maintenance

[4:15:23] repair budget. So, if we have something

[4:15:25] that pops up, I think we can get a year

[4:15:26] out. But we have the least amount of

[4:15:30] experience and ability to predict what

[4:15:32] those streets are going to do because

[4:15:34] they rapidly got to the point they were

[4:15:36] with the patches we did this year that

[4:15:38] was unexpected. So, we know we have to

[4:15:40] repave those roads. So, I think you're

[4:15:43] safe to gamble another year, but not too

[4:15:45] much further after that. Or you need to

[4:15:47] put in money. If we're going to go too

[4:15:49] much further past a year, put in money

[4:15:50] for more intermediate, you know, asphalt

[4:15:52] repairs.

[4:15:54] Thank you, James. Mike, any addition?

[4:15:56] >> I concur with James. That's I've never

[4:15:58] » I concur with James. That's I've never

[4:15:58] dealt with roads that don't have

[4:16:00] reinforcement in them. So, it's pretty

[4:16:02] tough for us.

[4:16:03] >> They're not reinforced at all.

[4:16:04] » They're not reinforced at all.

[4:16:04] >> No, there's no reason.

[4:16:08] » No, there's no reason.

[4:16:08] >> That's why they the the first third of

[4:16:12] » That's why they the the first third of

[4:16:12] our street doesn't have rebar. They just

[4:16:14] rolled it. The second two/3s um has

[4:16:16] rebar and that's reason why it's really

[4:16:18] strong and nice. the first third on each

[4:16:20] street. That's the reason why it's

[4:16:21] crumbling and falling apart because it

[4:16:22] was never done right. And so that's the

[4:16:24] reason why we're having to go back and

[4:16:25] fix it. That's the whole reason. Two and

[4:16:28] three. This other two/3s are perfect. I

[4:16:30] mean, they'll last a long long long

[4:16:32] time.

[4:16:32] >> How much do you have in for asset part

[4:16:36] » How much do you have in for asset part

[4:16:36] repairs, asphalt repair?

[4:16:40] >> How much is in?

[4:16:41] » How much is in?

[4:16:41] >> We got 100,000

[4:16:43] » We got 100,000

[4:16:43] in fund 20. Mhm.

[4:16:45] >> You might take that at least to 150 if

[4:16:47] » You might take that at least to 150 if

[4:16:47] not double it because what happened with

[4:16:51] Barry it started what year two years ago

[4:16:55] there's cracks and it always had cracks

[4:16:58] and then exponentially

[4:17:02] it just started failing to everybody's

[4:17:04] surprise every week it was and chunks

[4:17:07] are falling off. So this is very

[4:17:10] unpredictable.

[4:17:11] I would double that repair budget. Yes.

[4:17:14] Put the two million whatever it is off

[4:17:19] for concrete

[4:17:21] permanent replacement, but double that

[4:17:24] repair budget. So that's because it it

[4:17:27] can get bad very fast from one week to

[4:17:31] the next. We noted it grew

[4:17:33] substantially. The failure did. Mhm.

[4:17:37] James, could you uh could y'all maybe

[4:17:39] Mike look at the There's another section

[4:17:42] um east of the new spot y'all did on

[4:17:45] Odessa going towards 156. There's a

[4:17:47] section that's just

[4:17:48] >> falling apart. If you don't look into

[4:17:49] » falling apart. If you don't look into

[4:17:49] that, maybe maybe asphalt in that like

[4:17:52] you did the other spots.

[4:17:53] >> We'll look at that. And there's also a

[4:17:54] » We'll look at that. And there's also a

[4:17:54] section on the front half of Adessa, I

[4:17:56] think, that's starting to show large

[4:17:58] separation just kind of closer to the

[4:18:00] gas station area. There's several

[4:18:02] sections we watching, but it is like

[4:18:04] there's cracks that were there in in the

[4:18:06] early days that haven't moved at all and

[4:18:08] then other sections that just all of a

[4:18:09] sudden you see that rapid deterioration.

[4:18:11] So, we'll look at that one specifically.

[4:18:14] >> So, Mayor Hoy, you're you're saying in

[4:18:16] » So, Mayor Hoy, you're you're saying in

[4:18:16] fund 20 instead of the $100,000

[4:18:21] um change that to 150 200.

[4:18:23] >> I would propose 200.

[4:18:25] » I would propose 200.

[4:18:25] >> Where is that?

[4:18:26] » Where is that?

[4:18:26] >> On page 277

[4:18:28] » On page 277

[4:18:28] in fund 20.

[4:18:31] Is that how does that

[4:18:33] >> that's okay?

[4:18:34] » that's okay?

[4:18:34] >> I don't think there's anything wrong

[4:18:35] » I don't think there's anything wrong

[4:18:35] with that. Yeah, I think and to that

[4:18:37] point, mayor, that's a good point. And

[4:18:39] it's and this is some of the stuff we

[4:18:40] were chasing. The exhibit you see up

[4:18:42] behind you is, if you recall, we bid

[4:18:45] some areas and then by the time we got

[4:18:47] to construction and you really started

[4:18:49] chasing it, what you see in red cost

[4:18:51] $100,000.

[4:18:53] So, and we had really good pricing on

[4:18:56] this. So I think 200 would be it would

[4:18:59] cover any of the immediate needs for

[4:19:01] this next year. 100 may be cutting it

[4:19:04] close but um I would feel good with the

[4:19:06] 200

[4:19:08] >> comes out of fun 20 doesn't come out of

[4:19:10] » comes out of fun 20 doesn't come out of

[4:19:10] the general fund.

[4:19:11] >> Yes. And that's what fund 20's

[4:19:13] » Yes. And that's what fund 20's

[4:19:13] >> that's what it's for. That's it.

[4:19:15] » that's what it's for. That's it.

[4:19:15] >> And just a general comment on the all

[4:19:17] » And just a general comment on the all

[4:19:17] those fund 20 projects we did this year.

[4:19:19] I mean it eliminated I would say like

[4:19:21] 90% of the complaints we had coming in.

[4:19:24] We were getting I mean just

[4:19:26] >> huge.

[4:19:27] » huge.

[4:19:27] >> Oh yeah, it was huge

[4:19:28] » Oh yeah, it was huge

[4:19:28] >> for road related you know problems. It

[4:19:30] » for road related you know problems. It

[4:19:30] was almost instantaneous especially the

[4:19:32] ones on Westport. It was really great to

[4:19:34] go through there and just kind of patch

[4:19:36] and address all those little problem

[4:19:38] areas and it really has helped. Like

[4:19:40] that was I would say one of the best

[4:19:41] projects we did this year that really

[4:19:43] seemed to make the general public happy

[4:19:47] with roads through town.

[4:19:50] >> So Ton, sorry go ahead. So Tanya, you

[4:19:53] » So Ton, sorry go ahead. So Tanya, you

[4:19:53] were saying take that two and a half

[4:19:54] million and didn't take it that

[4:19:56] somewhere else.

[4:19:57] >> No, I never said two and a half million.

[4:19:58] » No, I never said two and a half million.

[4:19:58] It's it's budgeted in our general budget

[4:20:00] is 120,000.

[4:20:02] >> I'm saying take take that out. Maybe

[4:20:04] » I'm saying take take that out. Maybe

[4:20:04] wait a year, but add 100,000 to fund 20.

[4:20:09] >> Okay.

[4:20:10] » Okay.

[4:20:10] >> The 120

[4:20:11] » The 120

[4:20:11] >> 120 or it says streets and drainage.

[4:20:13] » 120 or it says streets and drainage.

[4:20:13] It's it's above the yellow.

[4:20:16] >> Um it's above the 165 and 1.425. Do you

[4:20:20] » Um it's above the 165 and 1.425. Do you

[4:20:20] see it?

[4:20:20] >> No. Can you show

[4:20:23] » No. Can you show

[4:20:23] So in 2728 that 2 and a half million for

[4:20:25] Hassa Park for concrete's just going to

[4:20:27] go away. So that

[4:20:28] >> sliding sliding. Okay.

[4:20:32] » sliding sliding. Okay.

[4:20:32] >> Double your double your maintenance

[4:20:35] » Double your double your maintenance

[4:20:35] dollars and let's slide the design and

[4:20:37] full reconstruction out a year.

[4:20:39] >> Okay.

[4:20:40] » Okay.

[4:20:40] >> Okay. I actually have a question.

[4:20:42] » Okay. I actually have a question.

[4:20:42] >> Sure. that um

[4:20:45] » Sure. that um

[4:20:45] this sounds like it's more of a concern

[4:20:47] than the Careway and I live in Careoway

[4:20:49] so I hate saying this but if you had to

[4:20:52] prioritize the Careway drainage we just

[4:20:54] put

[4:20:56] 20,000 towards Careway next year but

[4:20:58] this does sound more like a priority

[4:21:01] this road should we re

[4:21:04] >> you what

[4:21:06] » you what

[4:21:06] >> the HLlet Parkway was not a it's it's

[4:21:08] » the HLlet Parkway was not a it's it's

[4:21:08] it's been fixed it's been I mean the

[4:21:11] it's and

[4:21:14] >> patched.

[4:21:15] » patched.

[4:21:15] >> I understand, but I'm asking because it

[4:21:17] » I understand, but I'm asking because it

[4:21:17] sounds like it's not a long-term

[4:21:18] solution. They're saying we can maybe

[4:21:19] push this off one year, but earlier they

[4:21:21] were saying Careway's drainage issue

[4:21:23] doesn't impact the road at all. So, do

[4:21:25] we have these priorities kind of mixed?

[4:21:27] Because if it's just a nuisance for

[4:21:29] Caraway, but theirs is an actual safety

[4:21:31] concern. Do you get what I'm asking,

[4:21:33] Mike?

[4:21:35] >> I I get what you're asking. I think um I

[4:21:38] » I I get what you're asking. I think um I

[4:21:38] think the the interim fixes that we're

[4:21:41] recommending that you fund will probably

[4:21:43] take I think what we ran into in Hassa

[4:21:46] Park was you know kind of started as

[4:21:48] aesthetics. Hey, why doesn't my street

[4:21:50] look like this street? But by the time

[4:21:52] we got out there last year, I mean there

[4:21:53] were on Odessa there was you could stick

[4:21:55] your foot down in some of those cracks.

[4:21:57] So we've we've tried to deal with those

[4:22:00] as they've come up from a safety

[4:22:01] perspective. If you had to ask me right

[4:22:03] now, I would say yes. There's there's

[4:22:05] going to be more safety issues with

[4:22:08] those roads than there would be

[4:22:10] >> drainage out there on the careway

[4:22:13] » drainage out there on the careway

[4:22:13] entrance. Right.

[4:22:14] >> So would you recommend we wait on the

[4:22:16] » So would you recommend we wait on the

[4:22:16] careway drainage a year like we would

[4:22:18] with this and instead take that 120 and

[4:22:20] put it towards the design. It almost

[4:22:22] matches directly for the design of Hlet

[4:22:24] Park. If it's a safety concern, if it's

[4:22:26] going to continue to deteriorate and

[4:22:27] cost the city money, it just

[4:22:29] >> Yeah, I think that's one way you could

[4:22:30] » Yeah, I think that's one way you could

[4:22:30] look at it. It's it's real, you know,

[4:22:33] water and sewer are real easy for us to

[4:22:35] say you better do this or your manholes

[4:22:37] are going to pop up. You're going to do

[4:22:38] this or you run out of water. Roads are

[4:22:40] a little more kind of at your

[4:22:42] discretion. And but yeah, I think the

[4:22:45] from what I can see the this these

[4:22:48] streets pose more of a safety issue to

[4:22:50] the traveling public than the than the

[4:22:52] drainage issue at the entrance over

[4:22:54] there.

[4:22:55] >> I'm going to make a suggestion. Uh

[4:22:57] » I'm going to make a suggestion. Uh

[4:22:57] >> yes, and [clears throat] that's

[4:22:59] » yes, and [clears throat] that's

[4:22:59] >> involves Careway and Hasset Park and any

[4:23:02] » involves Careway and Hasset Park and any

[4:23:02] of these other projects. I'm going to

[4:23:06] go ahead and keep your project Careway

[4:23:08] there. Marcy is entering this stuff in

[4:23:11] her program and at the end of this

[4:23:14] discussion, she's going to here's your

[4:23:16] bottom line effect. Then you can go

[4:23:18] back. Oh, let's cut that one. Let's cut

[4:23:21] that one.

[4:23:22] >> I understand. But it's also a mix of

[4:23:24] » I understand. But it's also a mix of

[4:23:24] what can our city employees and staff

[4:23:27] handle? Um I mean that you can only

[4:23:29] achieve so much in a year. So even if we

[4:23:31] have the money for it, you know, do they

[4:23:34] have the time for it as well?

[4:23:36] >> I mean I'm fine either way. I just was

[4:23:38] » I mean I'm fine either way. I just was

[4:23:38] saying just I was listening to what they

[4:23:39] said about Careway.

[4:23:40] >> If if everybody up there thinks that it

[4:23:41] » If if everybody up there thinks that it

[4:23:41] should be flipped, then I'll go with the

[4:23:43] ex with the professionals.

[4:23:45] >> Does that not get you

[4:23:48] » Does that not get you

[4:23:48] >> I I kind of want to side with the mayor

[4:23:50] » I I kind of want to side with the mayor

[4:23:50] on this one. I mean, put it as a wish

[4:23:53] list, kind of sort in the budget, and

[4:23:54] then if we find out that we don't have

[4:23:55] the money for it, you can just mark one

[4:23:57] out if you need to.

[4:23:58] >> Okay. Is that what we want to do?

[4:24:00] » Okay. Is that what we want to do?

[4:24:00] >> Can I ask [clears throat] a dumb

[4:24:02] » Can I ask [clears throat] a dumb

[4:24:02] question?

[4:24:02] >> Yes.

[4:24:03] » Yes.

[4:24:03] >> Since we're on Hazard Park,

[4:24:05] » Since we're on Hazard Park,

[4:24:05] >> is there any way we can put a side

[4:24:06] » is there any way we can put a side

[4:24:06] entrance to Dollar General from that

[4:24:09] whatever that road is that goes next to

[4:24:10] it?

[4:24:13] >> Yes, I know. People are people are

[4:24:15] » Yes, I know. People are people are

[4:24:15] driving on the dirt between 156 and the

[4:24:17] parking lot to get to Dollar General.

[4:24:19] And I think that's a safety concern

[4:24:21] because you have people going on the

[4:24:23] dirt and on the road all different

[4:24:25] directions.

[4:24:26] >> Like they're going to shop or they're

[4:24:27] » Like they're going to shop or they're

[4:24:27] doing a cut through.

[4:24:28] >> No, they're going there to shop, but

[4:24:29] » No, they're going there to shop, but

[4:24:29] they're not even turning on to 156.

[4:24:30] They're just turning on the dirt in

[4:24:32] front of it.

[4:24:32] >> So if you're on Barry and you're you

[4:24:35] » So if you're on Barry and you're you

[4:24:35] don't want to wait to go to left, take a

[4:24:37] left to get on 156 and then take a left

[4:24:39] to go to Dollar General. You just take a

[4:24:40] left on the dirt road and then

[4:24:42] >> it's not a road. [laughter]

[4:24:45] » it's not a road. [laughter]

[4:24:45] >> It's the text rideway unpaved. It's the

[4:24:49] » It's the text rideway unpaved. It's the

[4:24:49] grass.

[4:24:50] >> It's It's a dirt road that was made and

[4:24:52] » It's It's a dirt road that was made and

[4:24:52] you just take a lead there and you go

[4:24:54] into Dollar General Park.

[4:24:55] >> All I'm going to say is on the priority

[4:24:56] » All I'm going to say is on the priority

[4:24:56] list. It sounds like

[4:24:57] >> I understand. But if we're rebuilding

[4:24:58] » I understand. But if we're rebuilding

[4:24:58] the road, can we make a connection?

[4:25:00] That's all I'm asking.

[4:25:01] >> Well, you know what? I think you're

[4:25:03] » Well, you know what? I think you're

[4:25:03] taking away from the culture of Hasslet.

[4:25:06] >> Sorry.

[4:25:06] » Sorry.

[4:25:06] >> This is small town Texas. Come on.

[4:25:09] » This is small town Texas. Come on.

[4:25:09] >> Except we don't have small town traffic.

[4:25:11] » Except we don't have small town traffic.

[4:25:11] >> I don't know what the solution is to

[4:25:13] » I don't know what the solution is to

[4:25:13] eliminate that. We probably can't

[4:25:16] construct it with on the city's right of

[4:25:19] way to eliminate that that

[4:25:21] [clears throat]

[4:25:21] uh turn in front of Dollar General and

[4:25:24] it would have to probably come from Tex

[4:25:27] Dot's permission.

[4:25:29] If they can get the permission to

[4:25:31] construct something such as a guard rail

[4:25:33] up there, then uh and Hassa volunteers

[4:25:37] to pay for it, they might go, "Sure,

[4:25:40] knock yourself out." But a solution as

[4:25:44] to how to stop that lefthand turn has to

[4:25:47] be come up with. And it doesn't may not

[4:25:51] be straightforward how to do that.

[4:25:55] >> Can you uh come up with a solution?

[4:25:58] » Can you uh come up with a solution?

[4:25:58] >> Shut down your method.

[4:26:00] » Shut down your method.

[4:26:00] >> Oh, we we

[4:26:02] » Oh, we we

[4:26:02] >> it might sh shut down economic

[4:26:04] » it might sh shut down economic

[4:26:04] development, too. [laughter]

[4:26:06] >> Yeah, if that's something we need to

[4:26:08] » Yeah, if that's something we need to

[4:26:08] look into, we could do a little exhibit

[4:26:09] and just see if there's any solution. I

[4:26:11] mean, it wouldn't be that's something

[4:26:13] that's that's no big deal. Now, I say

[4:26:15] that it's no big deal to come up with a

[4:26:17] concept, implementing it, and getting

[4:26:19] it. That's a whole another ball of wax,

[4:26:21] but we we can look into that.

[4:26:25] >> Then you don't have to worry about it.

[4:26:26] » Then you don't have to worry about it.

[4:26:26] >> I feel like there was some issue that

[4:26:28] » I feel like there was some issue that

[4:26:28] with Dollar General that that didn't

[4:26:29] happen. I don't know. Yeah, I don't. It

[4:26:32] is. It would be convenient, but it's not

[4:26:37] >> a need.

[4:26:41] So, just so I understand, SD7 is going

[4:26:43] on page 277 under the fun 20.

[4:26:47] >> Are we Is that where we're putting it?

[4:26:52] » S7.

[4:26:54] >> That is 100,000 and

[4:26:57] » That is 100,000 and

[4:26:57] >> transportation tax is now going to

[4:26:58] » transportation tax is now going to

[4:26:58] 200,000 or it's Yes.

[4:27:01] >> Let's see.

[4:27:03] » Let's see.

[4:27:03] Yeah, that's going to

[4:27:05] >> park is going from 100,000 to 200,000.

[4:27:09] » park is going from 100,000 to 200,000.

[4:27:09] >> Correct. And then where are we putting

[4:27:10] » Correct. And then where are we putting

[4:27:10] the project

[4:27:13] >> because they said they want to put it in

[4:27:14] » because they said they want to put it in

[4:27:14] now and take it out later when

[4:27:16] >> So it's already in our general budget

[4:27:17] » So it's already in our general budget

[4:27:17] where it says House Park reinforced

[4:27:18] concrete paving design 120.

[4:27:20] >> Oh, it's just different amount because

[4:27:21] » Oh, it's just different amount because

[4:27:21] they have it listed as 180 here.

[4:27:23] >> It's 120. Yeah. Here

[4:27:25] » It's 120. Yeah. Here

[4:27:25] >> that's it's 120 in the budget and so

[4:27:27] » that's it's 120 in the budget and so

[4:27:27] >> but it's 180 in in yours

[4:27:29] » but it's 180 in in yours

[4:27:29] >> in Mike. That's where I was confused.

[4:27:30] » in Mike. That's where I was confused.

[4:27:30] Sorry. So, am I leaving it in at 120? Am

[4:27:33] I taking it out at 120 or am I putting

[4:27:35] it in at 180?

[4:27:37] >> No, that's a different one.

[4:27:38] » No, that's a different one.

[4:27:38] >> No. So, that's that's to repair the road

[4:27:40] » No. So, that's that's to repair the road

[4:27:40] over the next year. The question, you

[4:27:42] said you wanted to keep SD7 reinforced

[4:27:45] concrete paving. On the line item, it's

[4:27:48] listed as 120, but Mike has it as 180.

[4:27:50] So, are we keeping it at 120 or 180?

[4:27:53] >> Mike, 160. What the difference?

[4:27:55] » Mike, 160. What the difference?

[4:27:56] >> Might as well go.

[4:27:56] » Might as well go.

[4:27:56] >> Well, excuse me. I thought we're sliding

[4:27:58] » Well, excuse me. I thought we're sliding

[4:27:58] that whole project a year. But then you

[4:28:00] suggested we kept it in. Keep it in.

[4:28:02] >> No, not not that piece. I'm talking

[4:28:03] » No, not not that piece. I'm talking

[4:28:03] about under fund 20 under repair.

[4:28:06] >> We did.

[4:28:06] » We did.

[4:28:06] >> You said keep it in and then see on

[4:28:09] » You said keep it in and then see on

[4:28:09] Careway and on this project.

[4:28:10] >> You did.

[4:28:12] » You did.

[4:28:12] >> But

[4:28:12] » But

[4:28:12] >> well fund 20 is not going to be in the

[4:28:15] » well fund 20 is not going to be in the

[4:28:15] general fund,

[4:28:16] >> right?

[4:28:16] » right?

[4:28:16] >> No. Understood. But for the project he

[4:28:18] » No. Understood. But for the project he

[4:28:18] said to keep it all until the end and

[4:28:19] then X out stuff we can't afford.

[4:28:21] >> The That would be the carway we were

[4:28:23] » The That would be the carway we were

[4:28:23] talking about. You're talking about

[4:28:24] trading carway for what?

[4:28:26] >> Hasllet Park reinforced concrete. Oh,

[4:28:29] » Hasllet Park reinforced concrete. Oh,

[4:28:29] trading those. Well, I then I

[4:28:31] misunderstood is I I I'm working on the

[4:28:35] premise that you're moving Hasslet Park

[4:28:37] reinforced concrete a year out. So,

[4:28:40] that's the design.

[4:28:41] >> That was the original discussion and

[4:28:42] » That was the original discussion and

[4:28:42] then it's gone about about five

[4:28:44] different directions. One one comment

[4:28:46] was that it might be more of a priority

[4:28:48] than Careway. So, we were going to not

[4:28:51] take it out and maybe take out Careway.

[4:28:53] But he but Careway is in fund 20. So,

[4:28:55] why would we take that out?

[4:28:56] >> Is kind of your point. Yeah, that's my

[4:28:58] » Is kind of your point. Yeah, that's my

[4:28:58] point.

[4:28:59] >> Right. And so we'll just leave Hassel

[4:29:02] » Right. And so we'll just leave Hassel

[4:29:02] Park reinforce reinforced concrete

[4:29:04] paving design in is what I hear Chris

[4:29:06] and Jasmine saying. Even though

[4:29:08] >> I moved it to 200.

[4:29:09] » I moved it to 200.

[4:29:09] >> No, that's that's something different.

[4:29:10] » No, that's that's something different.

[4:29:10] That's 120. We're talking we're talking

[4:29:12] about the general fund now. Go back to

[4:29:14] this yellow.

[4:29:15] >> Not okay. Oh, you're saying taking it

[4:29:17] » Not okay. Oh, you're saying taking it

[4:29:17] from 120 to 180? Yes.

[4:29:19] >> Which is what it's what's what is

[4:29:20] » Which is what it's what's what is

[4:29:20] originally in there.

[4:29:21] >> Yes,

[4:29:22] » Yes,

[4:29:22] >> Mike. Yes. 180 is what it needs to be.

[4:29:24] » Mike. Yes. 180 is what it needs to be.

[4:29:24] >> Yes. So the general fund

[4:29:26] » Yes. So the general fund

[4:29:26] >> whether you want to slide it a year or

[4:29:27] » whether you want to slide it a year or

[4:29:27] do it

[4:29:28] >> I want to slide it a year but and and

[4:29:31] » I want to slide it a year but and and

[4:29:31] Zach's on board with that too but then

[4:29:32] the two people that don't live in house

[4:29:33] park want to keep it in here. So

[4:29:35] >> honestly I'm neither here nor there that

[4:29:37] » honestly I'm neither here nor there that

[4:29:37] it just sounded like they had some

[4:29:38] serious concerns.

[4:29:39] >> Yeah. And if it is that that volatile if

[4:29:41] » Yeah. And if it is that that volatile if

[4:29:41] it's not if it's that unpredictable then

[4:29:43] maybe we do leave it in and get get it

[4:29:45] on the books to get fixed.

[4:29:47] >> Yeah. And Tanya if you if you want it

[4:29:49] » Yeah. And Tanya if you if you want it

[4:29:49] out I'm fine with that. I was just

[4:29:50] >> going to see what taxes do. So we're

[4:29:53] » going to see what taxes do. So we're

[4:29:53] adding it at 180

[4:29:58] » this year

[4:30:00] >> for now. This year

[4:30:01] » for now. This year

[4:30:01] >> this 26 27.

[4:30:03] » this 26 27.

[4:30:04] >> Yes sir.

[4:30:08] » We get a reality check. But it's on

[4:30:19] Marc.

[4:30:39] everyone's move to project eight. That's

[4:30:43] the Hasslac Park drainage improvements.

[4:30:46] Um, we had completed this past year the

[4:30:50] work here. Uh, and I don't should have

[4:30:53] already had this on there, but I don't.

[4:30:55] We we completed the Shriber

[4:30:57] improvements. You know, drainage is it's

[4:31:00] always expensive as you start

[4:31:02] downstream. So we picked off a

[4:31:04] lowhanging fruit and dealt with some

[4:31:06] issues that were creating some nuisance

[4:31:08] for some folks along Shrivever. So what

[4:31:11] you see in red was completed.

[4:31:13] Everybody's real happy with that

[4:31:14] project. Um, we've got an estimate in

[4:31:18] there of about 2.7 million to construct

[4:31:22] uh some sort of drainage improvements

[4:31:25] through several backyards in the rideway

[4:31:28] and other miscellaneous uh supplemental

[4:31:33] improvements from a drainage perspective

[4:31:35] out there. Um,

[4:31:38] we've got 135 left from the original

[4:31:42] design budget, I believe, that we were

[4:31:44] proposing to just carry over. And what

[4:31:47] we were attempting to do is there's two

[4:31:50] grants, um, a flood infrastructure grant

[4:31:54] and a brick grant. Um, those are both

[4:31:58] federal grants. I believe they're both

[4:32:00] at 7525 splits

[4:32:03] and those are due in November. And so we

[4:32:06] were trying to get these projects um

[4:32:09] designed so that they could be

[4:32:11] considered shovel ready in anticipation

[4:32:14] of submitting um in November for these

[4:32:17] two projects. Um we we've got surveying

[4:32:21] ready to go on these, but we need how

[4:32:24] many ride of entries?

[4:32:26] >> 17 14. A lot. There's a lot of property

[4:32:29] » 17 14. A lot. There's a lot of property

[4:32:29] owners that we're having to contact for

[4:32:31] access through their backyards. And so,

[4:32:34] uh, we're working to get that done. We

[4:32:36] think we'll have that wrapped up the

[4:32:38] next couple of weeks. A surveying team

[4:32:39] will get going and then we can put

[4:32:42] together a

[4:32:44] set of preliminary plans and um update

[4:32:48] the cost estimate and have that ready to

[4:32:50] go for the uh grant submitt. We'll see

[4:32:53] how that shakes out.

[4:32:54] >> So, this 135 was already approved.

[4:32:56] » So, this 135 was already approved.

[4:32:56] >> It was. Yes, sir.

[4:32:58] » It was. Yes, sir.

[4:32:58] So, it's already there.

[4:32:59] >> Yeah.

[4:33:01] » Yeah.

[4:33:01] >> Well, I'm actually a little confused. I

[4:33:03] » Well, I'm actually a little confused. I

[4:33:03] thought when it said carry forward, it

[4:33:05] includes the amount left, which would be

[4:33:07] the 96891, and then you're adding 135.

[4:33:10] Is that correct?

[4:33:12] >> Yes,

[4:33:13] » Yes,

[4:33:13] >> that would put it at 231,891.

[4:33:16] » that would put it at 231,891.

[4:33:16] >> We just need 135.

[4:33:17] » We just need 135.

[4:33:17] >> So, we need to get rid of some money.

[4:33:18] » So, we need to get rid of some money.

[4:33:18] >> We still still got five left in the

[4:33:20] » We still still got five left in the

[4:33:20] current year. So that means we can

[4:33:22] change this 135 to

[4:33:27] >> I don't know that we have all the

[4:33:28] » I don't know that we have all the

[4:33:28] expenditures in there

[4:33:30] >> at this point.

[4:33:30] » at this point.

[4:33:30] >> Uh yeah, for now till we get surveying

[4:33:34] » Uh yeah, for now till we get surveying

[4:33:34] done.

[4:33:34] >> Yeah,

[4:33:34] » Yeah,

[4:33:34] >> that'll be about 30 grand.

[4:33:36] » that'll be about 30 grand.

[4:33:36] >> Yeah, it Yeah, we need the 135.

[4:33:38] » Yeah, it Yeah, we need the 135.

[4:33:38] [clears throat]

[4:33:41] » Yeah.

[4:33:41] >> So we're going to keep an extra 100,000

[4:33:43] » So we're going to keep an extra 100,000

[4:33:43] in there. Well, it's 96 and change,

[4:33:48] >> but the 96 may go down is what I'm

[4:33:51] » but the 96 may go down is what I'm

[4:33:51] saying. We don't have all the costs for

[4:33:53] that project in.

[4:33:54] >> Okay. For the one that's finishing out

[4:33:56] » Okay. For the one that's finishing out

[4:33:56] this year.

[4:33:56] >> Yeah, that was

[4:33:58] » Yeah, that was

[4:33:58] >> Yeah, we think we think 135 would be

[4:34:00] » Yeah, we think we think 135 would be

[4:34:00] plenty to get it through the design, get

[4:34:02] it uh anything permitted, do all the

[4:34:05] modeling

[4:34:07] and get everything set up for the

[4:34:09] grants.

[4:34:12] I do think the uh construction that you

[4:34:14] have on the 2.5 needs to move up a year.

[4:34:18] >> Which one?

[4:34:20] » Which one?

[4:34:20] >> Say that again.

[4:34:21] » Say that again.

[4:34:21] >> The construction of $2.5 million

[4:34:25] » The construction of $2.5 million

[4:34:25] under 2829 fiscal year needs to move up

[4:34:28] to 2728.

[4:34:35] » Oh, you think the roads and the drainage

[4:34:36] should be done at the same time?

[4:34:38] >> Yes,

[4:34:39] » Yes,

[4:34:39] >> I would agree.

[4:34:47] So we could show that change. We can

[4:34:48] move the 25 into fiscal year 2728

[4:34:55] and then depending on what you decide at

[4:34:57] the bottom line about the roads that

[4:34:59] those may line up or those may be

[4:35:00] offset.

[4:35:02] >> Well, I thought they as that decision's

[4:35:05] » Well, I thought they as that decision's

[4:35:05] made, Mike.

[4:35:06] >> No, sir. Uh, I think they were waiting

[4:35:08] » No, sir. Uh, I think they were waiting

[4:35:08] till the bottom line came out on the

[4:35:10] sliding of the

[4:35:11] >> Oh,

[4:35:12] » Oh,

[4:35:12] >> yes sir. of the road design.

[4:35:14] » yes sir. of the road design.

[4:35:14] >> It's still in for now.

[4:35:16] » It's still in for now.

[4:35:16] >> Correct. Yes, sir. But on my

[4:35:18] » Correct. Yes, sir. But on my

[4:35:18] spreadsheet, I got a lot of lines on

[4:35:20] here. So,

[4:35:21] >> okay.

[4:35:23] » okay.

[4:35:23] 170

[4:35:25] >> 170. Um, we've got 25,000 to just

[4:35:29] » 170. Um, we've got 25,000 to just

[4:35:29] continue coordinating and keeping

[4:35:32] everybody up to date. And we we've got

[4:35:36] some preliminary work here that I'll

[4:35:38] share with you. This is we know of one

[4:35:40] known uh utility conflict that we're

[4:35:43] going to have to deal with on this

[4:35:44] project. And we we know that this can be

[4:35:48] a a reimbursement. And I've already

[4:35:51] explained to Text Dot that, you know, we

[4:35:53] we need to get moving on the agreement

[4:35:56] for reimbursement. You can see this

[4:36:00] water line that was put in with Hasslip

[4:36:01] Parkway up inter modal is going to end

[4:36:05] up underneath the

[4:36:07] the landing of the 170. And so as of

[4:36:12] right now, we think that's our only

[4:36:14] utility conflict. We do have a sewer

[4:36:15] line up through here, but I don't think

[4:36:17] they're going to be they're done with

[4:36:19] their bridge. So just general project

[4:36:22] coordination and

[4:36:23] >> it's right here.

[4:36:24] » it's right here.

[4:36:24] >> They're all right here.

[4:36:28] » They're all right here.

[4:36:28] Sorry.

[4:36:30] >> Uh there's there's rightway that needs

[4:36:33] » Uh there's there's rightway that needs

[4:36:33] to be conveyed for this project and

[4:36:36] right now the the roadway has been

[4:36:37] pushed to the north side of Hasset

[4:36:40] Parkway where where the city currently

[4:36:42] has all of the uh temporary or permanent

[4:36:45] drainage and grading easements that were

[4:36:48] acquired as part of Hasset Parkway. So

[4:36:50] there's some work there that needs to be

[4:36:52] done to assist in the transfer and

[4:36:55] conveyance of those easements as right

[4:36:58] away to text dot pending council

[4:37:01] approval.

[4:37:02] >> So that's just a a placeholder to kind

[4:37:04] » So that's just a a placeholder to kind

[4:37:04] of keep

[4:37:06] >> to determine how to assign a value to

[4:37:08] » to determine how to assign a value to

[4:37:08] that.

[4:37:08] >> Yes, sir.

[4:37:11] » Yes, sir.

[4:37:11] Fort Worth. That's what they've done

[4:37:13] with theirs. And when they're assigning

[4:37:15] their rightway to Tax Dot, I think

[4:37:19] they're paying upwards something like

[4:37:20] $65 a square foot.

[4:37:24] So, we got to uh work we can get some

[4:37:28] people who have done it and assign

[4:37:30] values to that.

[4:37:32] >> So, all of these fees in here you see

[4:37:34] » So, all of these fees in here you see

[4:37:34] for our city engineer on this project,

[4:37:37] they will all be reimbursed.

[4:37:40] This is a 100% text dot project and any

[4:37:44] participation on anybody's part, our

[4:37:46] city engineer or anyone else that is

[4:37:49] part of that uh cost in that project.

[4:37:57] » So 170 is just kind of moving along.

[4:38:01] >> Um

[4:38:03] » Um

[4:38:03] Hasslet Parkway, same thing. We've got

[4:38:06] money in there to I think the the bigger

[4:38:08] one on this the the unknown at this

[4:38:10] point and I'm I'll have some more

[4:38:12] information. I've got an update that I'm

[4:38:15] trying to get ready for the 17th. Um

[4:38:18] there is the expectation and the

[4:38:20] understanding that any temporary

[4:38:22] construction easements or grading

[4:38:23] easements that are necessary to support

[4:38:26] this project would be the city's

[4:38:27] responsibility to get. Now, I don't know

[4:38:31] if that's get on your dollar, if that's

[4:38:33] get and be reimbursed. Those are some

[4:38:36] details that we need to sort through,

[4:38:38] but [clears throat] a lot of the

[4:38:40] easements that were acquired under the

[4:38:42] original High Parkway project have

[4:38:44] either expired or are expiring.

[4:38:47] And um obviously if they needed those to

[4:38:51] construct the original project, there's

[4:38:54] u a good stretch of that great

[4:38:56] improvements still necessary. So, um,

[4:38:59] we'll have some additional information,

[4:39:02] uh, for you at the meeting on the 17th

[4:39:04] for this project.

[4:39:08] » We're also trying to

[4:39:09] >> So, what's happening on the 17th?

[4:39:11] » So, what's happening on the 17th?

[4:39:11] >> I'll have an update for the for everyone

[4:39:13] » I'll have an update for the for everyone

[4:39:13] on on Hassla Parkway

[4:39:15] >> concerning required easements.

[4:39:17] » concerning required easements.

[4:39:17] >> Uh, potentially. Yes, sir. Contract

[4:39:20] » Uh, potentially. Yes, sir. Contract

[4:39:20] status, schedule, discussions with text

[4:39:22] dot, agreement status, easements.

[4:39:25] >> All right. Yes, sir.

[4:39:26] » All right. Yes, sir.

[4:39:26] >> Okay. Well, we have a very comprehensive

[4:39:29] » Okay. Well, we have a very comprehensive

[4:39:29] list of easements

[4:39:31] and every one of them that were

[4:39:33] executed. Most of them are just going to

[4:39:36] them and ask them to renew it.

[4:39:41] » Unless you got new defined easements.

[4:39:43] >> No, sir.

[4:39:44] » No, sir.

[4:39:44] >> All right.

[4:39:47] Okay. Um my next one, I think we're on

[4:39:51] SD11. That's Careway Street and

[4:39:54] drainage. We've talked about that. I

[4:39:56] believe that's that intersection silver

[4:39:58] sage and wild sienna. That's 125,000 for

[4:40:02] survey design

[4:40:04] potentially this next year. Correct.

[4:40:06] Fund 20.

[4:40:07] >> Um this is Yes.

[4:40:10] » Um this is Yes.

[4:40:10] >> 120,000. I had a question. It's on fund

[4:40:12] » 120,000. I had a question. It's on fund

[4:40:12] 20 and it's on here SD11. Is there do

[4:40:15] you see what I'm saying?

[4:40:16] >> No, I just messed up.

[4:40:18] » No, I just messed up.

[4:40:18] >> Okay. So, is SD11 going to go away?

[4:40:20] » Okay. So, is SD11 going to go away?

[4:40:20] >> Yeah, we're going to take that one away.

[4:40:21] » Yeah, we're going to take that one away.

[4:40:21] We'll just leave that under fund 20 if

[4:40:23] everybody's okay with that. Yeah. Okay.

[4:40:26] Thank you.

[4:40:27] >> Okay. Time out. I'm not I just heard two

[4:40:29] » Okay. Time out. I'm not I just heard two

[4:40:29] different things. We're going to take it

[4:40:31] away, but we're going to leave it under

[4:40:32] fund 20.

[4:40:34] >> Well, remove to

[4:40:35] » Well, remove to

[4:40:35] >> I think remove it from my spreadsheet as

[4:40:38] » I think remove it from my spreadsheet as

[4:40:38] a standalone SD11 project

[4:40:41] >> because we've already got it cast.

[4:40:42] » because we've already got it cast.

[4:40:42] >> It's included with the Careway entrance.

[4:40:45] » It's included with the Careway entrance.

[4:40:45] Yeah.

[4:40:45] >> And on the

[4:40:46] » And on the

[4:40:46] >> fun 20.

[4:40:47] » fun 20.

[4:40:47] >> Fund 20. Yes, sir. Got it. Okay.

[4:40:52] Aenddale Hasslet grade separated

[4:40:54] crossing. That's the the bridge

[4:40:59] project. Short bridge, long bridge,

[4:41:02] whatever bridge there is.

[4:41:05] Um,

[4:41:07] Brentwood,

[4:41:09] let me ask you something.

[4:41:13] The Hasslet

[4:41:16] grade separated. Happenel Hasslet grade

[4:41:19] separated

[4:41:22] crossing

[4:41:24] and also Hasset Parkway improvement.

[4:41:28] The Hasslet Parkway improvement includes

[4:41:31] the grade separation.

[4:41:33] >> Correct.

[4:41:34] » Correct.

[4:41:34] And so you got a

[4:41:38] Aendelle Hasslet grade separation

[4:41:41] specific

[4:41:44] and it's already included under Hasslet

[4:41:46] Parkway improvement. How does that work?

[4:41:49] What's happening with that?

[4:41:50] >> Well, the the

[4:41:53] » Well, the the

[4:41:53] short bridge is currently contemplated

[4:41:56] and that is what

[4:41:57] >> that's in the has a parkway improvement

[4:42:00] » that's in the has a parkway improvement

[4:42:00] project as a whole.

[4:42:01] >> Yes, sir. And then the long bridge was

[4:42:03] » Yes, sir. And then the long bridge was

[4:42:03] kind of a standalone project. So we just

[4:42:05] had that developed and we were just

[4:42:06] carrying it over.

[4:42:07] >> So this is long bridge.

[4:42:09] » So this is long bridge.

[4:42:09] >> I guess it would be better to just call

[4:42:11] » I guess it would be better to just call

[4:42:11] that out as the long bridge

[4:42:12] >> so we know which cuz this is just

[4:42:14] » so we know which cuz this is just

[4:42:14] >> Yes, sir. Understand.

[4:42:15] » Yes, sir. Understand.

[4:42:15] >> Appear to me we're paying for it twice

[4:42:18] » Appear to me we're paying for it twice

[4:42:18] here.

[4:42:20] All right. I'm going to put long bridge.

[4:42:22] We are

[4:42:25] >> Can can we actually leave it neutral and

[4:42:26] » Can can we actually leave it neutral and

[4:42:26] just maybe make a note underneath the

[4:42:29] description just in case we're needing

[4:42:31] say the long bridge we don't get the

[4:42:32] grant and we're needing the funds for

[4:42:34] something for the short bridge. Could we

[4:42:35] just keep the language neutral?

[4:42:38] >> Is there something saying wrong with

[4:42:40] » Is there something saying wrong with

[4:42:40] saying long bridge?

[4:42:41] >> It means that we can't use it for

[4:42:43] » It means that we can't use it for

[4:42:44] >> Yeah, it ties it to that only. And I

[4:42:45] » Yeah, it ties it to that only. And I

[4:42:45] thought also on the house park way

[4:42:47] improvements it could deal with

[4:42:49] easements as well, not just grade

[4:42:51] separation. So

[4:42:52] >> say that again.

[4:42:53] » say that again.

[4:42:53] >> But also the Hasslet Parkway

[4:42:54] » But also the Hasslet Parkway

[4:42:54] improvements SD10 does also encompass

[4:42:57] more than just the grade separation. So

[4:43:01] >> I kind of like how they're both

[4:43:02] » I kind of like how they're both

[4:43:02] >> that whole project covers from I35

[4:43:05] » that whole project covers from I35

[4:43:05] to our western city

[4:43:07] >> right through stage 16 a the base bridge

[4:43:12] » right through stage 16 a the base bridge

[4:43:12] being the short bridge included.

[4:43:15] >> I'm just suggesting we leave the

[4:43:16] » I'm just suggesting we leave the

[4:43:16] language as is.

[4:43:17] >> I agree.

[4:43:20] » I agree.

[4:43:20] suggesting one.

[4:43:21] >> Can I

[4:43:22] » Can I

[4:43:22] >> leave the language as is?

[4:43:23] » leave the language as is?

[4:43:23] >> Don't add long bridge.

[4:43:25] » Don't add long bridge.

[4:43:25] >> Add long bridge.

[4:43:25] » Add long bridge.

[4:43:25] >> While we're talking about has a parkway,

[4:43:26] » While we're talking about has a parkway,

[4:43:26] can I ask a dumb question, Mr. Mayor?

[4:43:28] >> Sure.

[4:43:29] » Sure.

[4:43:29] >> Um whether it's the short bridge or the

[4:43:32] » Um whether it's the short bridge or the

[4:43:32] long bridge, do we need to be currently

[4:43:35] getting rideway to prepare for either

[4:43:38] possibility?

[4:43:40] >> We don't know what rideway we need and

[4:43:43] » We don't know what rideway we need and

[4:43:43] that's what they're working towards

[4:43:44] right now.

[4:43:45] >> Okay. an extra problem.

[4:43:47] » Okay. an extra problem.

[4:43:47] >> Well, I'm trying to piece it out a

[4:43:49] » Well, I'm trying to piece it out a

[4:43:49] little more so it's not one such big

[4:43:51] chunks.

[4:43:53] >> I mean either either way

[4:43:54] » I mean either either way

[4:43:54] >> almost all of the right away

[4:43:57] » almost all of the right away

[4:43:57] >> is acquired that's needed. They're not

[4:43:59] » is acquired that's needed. They're not

[4:43:59] rerouting anything

[4:44:00] >> already.

[4:44:01] » already.

[4:44:01] >> Yes, that was that was before you know

[4:44:05] » Yes, that was that was before you know

[4:44:05] when the project started.

[4:44:07] >> Yeah, that chambers our former economic

[4:44:08] » Yeah, that chambers our former economic

[4:44:08] development coordinator got all those

[4:44:10] parcels. Okay, that's

[4:44:11] >> there may be some the easement work,

[4:44:14] » there may be some the easement work,

[4:44:14] construction easements, that's got to

[4:44:16] all be renewed,

[4:44:18] >> but the rightway itself, it should be

[4:44:22] » but the rightway itself, it should be

[4:44:22] sufficient.

[4:44:23] >> Okay, that's what I'm asking. Thank you.

[4:44:25] » Okay, that's what I'm asking. Thank you.

[4:44:26] >> Follow-up question to what Chris just

[4:44:27] » Follow-up question to what Chris just

[4:44:27] asked. Is there any utility movement we

[4:44:29] could be getting ahead of so we're not

[4:44:31] running into issues like they did with

[4:44:34] station 69?

[4:44:37] >> Uh, potentially. you know, we've we

[4:44:39] » Uh, potentially. you know, we've we

[4:44:39] asked for a a forensic uh

[4:44:45] summary of the project expenses for the

[4:44:48] original project as it relates to the

[4:44:50] funds that the city contributed for

[4:44:53] utility construction. We know that our

[4:44:55] utilities weren't quite finished and so

[4:44:58] we're we still waiting for that to come

[4:45:00] back. Um we're going to know a lot more

[4:45:04] over the next two months. They're Kimley

[4:45:06] Horn should be under contract any if

[4:45:08] they're not under contract they they

[4:45:10] will be under contract by the time we

[4:45:12] come to the meeting on the 17th

[4:45:14] >> and at that at that point we'll we can

[4:45:17] » and at that at that point we'll we can

[4:45:17] begin working with them to figure out

[4:45:18] >> under contract.

[4:45:20] » under contract.

[4:45:20] >> Okay. So they're under contract now. Do

[4:45:23] » Okay. So they're under contract now. Do

[4:45:23] you think there's anything we need a

[4:45:24] budget to help us get through the next

[4:45:27] year? Even if it's being reimbursed

[4:45:29] through

[4:45:30] >> I think what's in this budget is

[4:45:31] » I think what's in this budget is

[4:45:31] adequate for this year given that

[4:45:33] they're they're late start on the

[4:45:35] project. Now, that may need to change as

[4:45:37] we get through this year. We may need to

[4:45:39] up that, but our goal is to try to get

[4:45:41] them to um pay for everything and it's

[4:45:44] not even a reimbursement.

[4:45:46] >> Okay. You want them to direct your the

[4:45:48] » Okay. You want them to direct your the

[4:45:48] goal is to have them directly.

[4:45:50] >> I think that might that would make the

[4:45:51] » I think that might that would make the

[4:45:51] most sense and then the city's not

[4:45:53] having to fund it and get reimbured

[4:45:54] tracking it.

[4:45:55] >> Got it.

[4:45:57] » Got it.

[4:45:57] >> But we'll we'll get into that as we move

[4:45:59] » But we'll we'll get into that as we move

[4:45:59] forward over the next few months.

[4:46:06] Uh 13. You want to do 13? Uh Brentwood.

[4:46:15] It's budgeted.

[4:46:19] » Okay. So, that's we've got all the uh

[4:46:22] surveying back on that. Um

[4:46:28] it's a pretty straightforward project.

[4:46:30] Just adjusting the grades. You can kind

[4:46:32] of see in this exhibit that's up on the

[4:46:34] screen how you've got certain portions

[4:46:36] of that roadway that get real close to

[4:46:39] the rideway line. And we've got some

[4:46:42] drainage issues that need to be

[4:46:44] corrected. We got bunch of driveways

[4:46:46] that need to be replaced. So, um, trying

[4:46:49] to keep that project moving forward.

[4:46:51] We've got some carryover funds, I guess,

[4:46:54] to keep that one moving. We estimate

[4:46:56] that to be about a $2 million project.

[4:47:03] Showing construction next year,

[4:47:05] whatever, whatever you guys want to do

[4:47:07] on that one.

[4:47:09] [cough and clears throat]

[4:47:13] Okay. So SD13, everybody good with that?

[4:47:19] >> Okay. The Tarant County road ILA

[4:47:22] » Okay. The Tarant County road ILA

[4:47:22] projects, that would be um

[4:47:27] well, those are those are way out.

[4:47:32] Um nothing we need to worry about right

[4:47:34] now. Did we cover we covered the um

[4:47:38] earlier in the discussion the uh Bane

[4:47:41] Road and Maxwell as part of this and

[4:47:44] then

[4:47:46] >> and then the schoolhouse Westport

[4:47:48] » and then the schoolhouse Westport

[4:47:48] intersection.

[4:47:52] » Okay.

[4:47:53] So let's see.

[4:47:55] >> Let me ask you where is uh Westport

[4:47:58] » Let me ask you where is uh Westport

[4:47:58] Parkway and 156 under this ILA list?

[4:48:03] Well, it is.

[4:48:07] It's not in here.

[4:48:09] >> It needs to go in.

[4:48:10] » It needs to go in.

[4:48:10] >> It does need to go in.

[4:48:16] » That's

[4:48:16] >> Westport Parkway and FM 156.

[4:48:21] » Westport Parkway and FM 156.

[4:48:21] >> It's not on this list right here.

[4:48:23] » It's not on this list right here.

[4:48:23] >> We We had it. It's It was in this year's

[4:48:25] » We We had it. It's It was in this year's

[4:48:25] budget. It just the budget amount

[4:48:27] changed. So,

[4:48:28] >> yeah. I just need to find it.

[4:48:30] » yeah. I just need to find it.

[4:48:30] >> Yeah.

[4:48:30] » Yeah.

[4:48:30] >> Where's it at?

[4:48:32] » Where's it at?

[4:48:32] No, I don't even It's not even on my

[4:48:33] sheet.

[4:48:34] >> It's not on this sheet.

[4:48:35] » It's not on this sheet.

[4:48:35] >> No, sir.

[4:48:35] » No, sir.

[4:48:36] >> And this sheet needs to correlate.

[4:48:37] » And this sheet needs to correlate.

[4:48:37] >> Yes, sir. I agree.

[4:48:43] » This one.

[4:48:45] >> This one.

[4:48:57] » Is that going to be SD16?

[4:49:00] I'm going to put it under 14.

[4:49:01] >> Okay.

[4:49:01] » Okay.

[4:49:02] >> You're going to put it under 14?

[4:49:03] » You're going to put it under 14?

[4:49:03] >> I think so.

[4:49:04] » I think so.

[4:49:04] >> Okay. SD14. And so you need 600,000.

[4:49:09] » Okay. SD14. And so you need 600,000.

[4:49:09] >> We had 450.

[4:49:11] » We had 450.

[4:49:11] >> Is this the drawing?

[4:49:12] » Is this the drawing?

[4:49:12] >> Four. Yes, ma'am.

[4:49:15] » Four. Yes, ma'am.

[4:49:15] >> Yes.

[4:49:17] » Yes.

[4:49:17] So the the original when this when we

[4:49:20] budgeted for this project or u conceived

[4:49:24] the estimate and the concept plan last

[4:49:26] year in summer of 2025

[4:49:31] the thought was we'll just mill it and

[4:49:34] we'll restripe it. Um, we also we had a

[4:49:38] project earlier this year where we went

[4:49:40] in and replaced those uh those

[4:49:44] transitions at the bridges

[4:49:47] and in discussing with everybody

[4:49:49] including the county folks, it was all

[4:49:51] agreed that this needed to be completely

[4:49:53] rebuilt. So to rebuild it, to fix it,

[4:49:57] right, we need 600,000,

[4:50:01] which is an increase from the 450 or 400

[4:50:04] that's currently in the budget.

[4:50:06] >> Mike, this kind of looks similar to what

[4:50:08] » Mike, this kind of looks similar to what

[4:50:08] we have now. Can you describe the

[4:50:10] changes? Like

[4:50:12] >> I think the only real the only real

[4:50:14] » I think the only real the only real

[4:50:14] difference is um basically setting up

[4:50:18] three lanes here, one straight, one

[4:50:20] dedicated right, one dedicated left

[4:50:23] um to facilitate that westbound

[4:50:26] traffic movement.

[4:50:29] >> It does. Now, that'd be very convenient

[4:50:30] » It does. Now, that'd be very convenient

[4:50:30] for people that are going right to

[4:50:32] school.

[4:50:33] >> It would be,

[4:50:34] » It would be,

[4:50:34] >> but also the eastbound is keeping those

[4:50:38] » but also the eastbound is keeping those

[4:50:38] two lanes instead of merging right there

[4:50:41] at schoolhouse road into one.

[4:50:43] >> Yes, sir.

[4:50:45] » Yes, sir.

[4:50:45] >> And at some point, just one second. at

[4:50:48] » And at some point, just one second. at

[4:50:48] some point when and if there's some

[4:50:50] interim improvements that may need to be

[4:50:52] looked at on 156 there may be you may

[4:50:55] have the ability to um send more

[4:50:59] movements down towards Aenddale Hasslet

[4:51:01] and so that would set us up for that

[4:51:04] possibility that middle lane that's

[4:51:06] currently straight only could be

[4:51:08] straight left once you have the capacity

[4:51:10] on 156 as some because I think if you if

[4:51:13] you look at it and all this is we've got

[4:51:15] that signal

[4:51:17] study and traffic study that Lee

[4:51:19] Engineering is doing. They're about to

[4:51:21] go back out once school's back in and re

[4:51:23] recollect data, but a lot of that

[4:51:25] movement appears to be folks trying to

[4:51:28] go down and out Aenddale Hasslet Way.

[4:51:30] So, this sets us up. Now, we do have

[4:51:32] some rideway that we need to acquire

[4:51:34] down there. Um, and that's that's in the

[4:51:37] process, but this construction is

[4:51:40] programmed for December by the county,

[4:51:44] December of this year.

[4:51:46] So, they're going to do

[4:51:48] >> they're going to do Bane Road, then

[4:51:50] » they're going to do Bane Road, then

[4:51:50] they'll do Maxwell, and then they'll go

[4:51:53] do one or two other jobs somewhere else,

[4:51:55] and then remobilize back and come take

[4:51:58] care of this in December.

[4:51:59] >> Can I ask a dumb question?

[4:52:01] » Can I ask a dumb question?

[4:52:01] >> Sure.

[4:52:03] » Sure.

[4:52:03] >> So, I love the threelane thing that's

[4:52:05] » So, I love the threelane thing that's

[4:52:05] going westbound.

[4:52:08] I've seen some other intersections

[4:52:10] where the right-hand lane up there that

[4:52:13] is going to be a right turn only onto

[4:52:16] North 156.

[4:52:17] >> Yes.

[4:52:19] » Yes.

[4:52:19] >> Have a median that that uh separates

[4:52:24] » Have a median that that uh separates

[4:52:24] that off so that it's its own lane and

[4:52:27] gets to bypass that first light

[4:52:30] and go straight through to 156. So,

[4:52:34] >> so that because they don't care about

[4:52:36] » so that because they don't care about

[4:52:36] going left or straight.

[4:52:39] >> So, then that whole everybody that's

[4:52:41] » So, then that whole everybody that's

[4:52:41] going to turn north on 156 could just

[4:52:43] bypass that first light, go up to 156

[4:52:45] and take a ride immediately without

[4:52:47] backing up that light for everybody

[4:52:49] else.

[4:52:50] >> I've seen that. I had that suggestion

[4:52:52] » I've seen that. I had that suggestion

[4:52:52] from somebody that went to Hawaii.

[4:52:55] >> So, is there

[4:52:56] » So, is there

[4:52:56] >> anyway, but let me let me offer this.

[4:52:59] » anyway, but let me let me offer this.

[4:52:59] He's still talking.

[4:53:00] >> And I got to think, well, that would be

[4:53:01] » And I got to think, well, that would be

[4:53:02] great.

[4:53:04] >> But if you're on schoolhouse road, a lot

[4:53:07] » But if you're on schoolhouse road, a lot

[4:53:07] of people on school, they come on

[4:53:09] Schoolhouse Road,

[4:53:10] >> they take a left, then immediately take

[4:53:12] » they take a left, then immediately take

[4:53:12] a right.

[4:53:13] >> You can still do that if you make the

[4:53:14] » You can still do that if you make the

[4:53:14] middle lane when it gets to 156 where

[4:53:16] they can turn a right right there,

[4:53:19] you know.

[4:53:20] >> Well, your median would have

[4:53:21] » Well, your median would have

[4:53:21] >> So, you basically have a double right on

[4:53:24] » So, you basically have a double right on

[4:53:24] 156

[4:53:25] >> if you wanted to bypass this light. Yes.

[4:53:28] » if you wanted to bypass this light. Yes.

[4:53:28] For the right hand lane only had to

[4:53:30] start back here.

[4:53:31] >> Yes.

[4:53:32] » Yes.

[4:53:32] >> But these people here could not take

[4:53:34] » But these people here could not take

[4:53:34] >> turn to the middle lane.

[4:53:35] » turn to the middle lane.

[4:53:35] >> Take a left.

[4:53:36] » Take a left.

[4:53:36] >> No, they would turn to the middle lane.

[4:53:37] » No, they would turn to the middle lane.

[4:53:37] >> Take a right.

[4:53:38] » Take a right.

[4:53:38] >> Yes. Well, I think

[4:53:39] » Yes. Well, I think

[4:53:39] >> but they're I'm talking about very

[4:53:41] » but they're I'm talking about very

[4:53:41] specifically for those individuals in

[4:53:42] the blue car left

[4:53:44] >> and then go over and take a right.

[4:53:45] » and then go over and take a right.

[4:53:45] >> No, they would go they would turn to the

[4:53:47] » No, they would go they would turn to the

[4:53:47] middle lane and then turn right out of

[4:53:49] the middle lane. So, you basically have

[4:53:50] a double right.

[4:53:51] >> Go ahead.

[4:53:52] » Go ahead.

[4:53:52] >> There's very few cars.

[4:53:53] » There's very few cars.

[4:53:53] >> You got a double right capability on

[4:53:55] » You got a double right capability on

[4:53:56] 156. Mike.

[4:53:57] >> Yeah. I think I think to your point and

[4:53:59] » Yeah. I think I think to your point and

[4:53:59] I'm pretty sure I looked at this at some

[4:54:01] point because we had the same idea. It's

[4:54:03] a good idea. You have a you you're going

[4:54:05] to have a conflict point. I think

[4:54:06] because if it's free if it's free,

[4:54:08] right? Then any somewhere in this zone

[4:54:12] here, if somebody's if somebody's coming

[4:54:14] down through here and this light turns

[4:54:16] and they're not having to stop, which

[4:54:19] would be the whole point of that, I

[4:54:20] think you're going to have a conflict

[4:54:21] here with this guy turning and that guy

[4:54:24] coming through that free lane because we

[4:54:25] don't have dual rights,

[4:54:28] >> I think.

[4:54:31] » I think.

[4:54:31] >> Does that make sense?

[4:54:32] » Does that make sense?

[4:54:32] >> I love your idea

[4:54:32] » I love your idea

[4:54:32] >> because it's it's a good idea if we

[4:54:34] » because it's it's a good idea if we

[4:54:34] didn't have that other leg coming in.

[4:54:36] Well, could you just make it where you

[4:54:39] can't turn left on schoolhouse road?

[4:54:41] >> I do sometimes, like say I drop

[4:54:43] » I do sometimes, like say I drop

[4:54:43] something off at the post office before

[4:54:44] I go to school and then I'm I'm going to

[4:54:46] want to go left. I have gone left and

[4:54:48] then got on 156.

[4:54:49] >> But once we have a parkway go come

[4:54:51] » But once we have a parkway go come

[4:54:51] through.

[4:54:53] >> How how does that make

[4:54:54] » How how does that make

[4:54:54] >> if it's at grade right there? It would

[4:54:57] » if it's at grade right there? It would

[4:54:57] give you that opportunity to go turn to

[4:54:58] get to 156 there instead of going there.

[4:55:01] You know,

[4:55:01] >> even if it's not at grade, you would

[4:55:03] » even if it's not at grade, you would

[4:55:03] still be able to get through.

[4:55:05] Maybe

[4:55:05] >> they can't go left.

[4:55:07] » they can't go left.

[4:55:07] >> So, question.

[4:55:08] » So, question.

[4:55:08] >> I'm just trying to figure like

[4:55:09] » I'm just trying to figure like

[4:55:09] >> Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.

[4:55:11] » Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.

[4:55:11] >> I'm just brainstorming. Go ahead.

[4:55:13] » I'm just brainstorming. Go ahead.

[4:55:13] >> This is one of the problems I

[4:55:15] » This is one of the problems I

[4:55:15] >> I almost got t-boned right there the

[4:55:18] » I almost got t-boned right there the

[4:55:18] other day.

[4:55:18] >> Frequently, especially this one being a

[4:55:20] » Frequently, especially this one being a

[4:55:20] straight turn and then everyone tries to

[4:55:22] like merge together. Why are we keeping

[4:55:25] this a straight lane if we have a

[4:55:27] dedicated straight lane and we

[4:55:29] bottleneck right here? You know what I'm

[4:55:30] asking?

[4:55:32] It's

[4:55:33] >> so make that red only.

[4:55:35] » so make that red only.

[4:55:35] >> I think because they double stack when

[4:55:37] » I think because they double stack when

[4:55:37] that light's red.

[4:55:39] >> Yeah. And then they try to

[4:55:42] » Yeah. And then they try to

[4:55:42] >> just to me it kind of just

[4:55:43] » just to me it kind of just

[4:55:43] >> just zippers in.

[4:55:45] » just zippers in.

[4:55:45] >> It's it's it's it's a pro. It's

[4:55:48] » It's it's it's it's a pro. It's

[4:55:48] problematic with the two lights being

[4:55:50] that closed.

[4:55:50] >> Will that area never be a four-lane road

[4:55:52] » Will that area never be a four-lane road

[4:55:52] until the bridge gets widened and so it

[4:55:55] can match what's on the east side of the

[4:55:56] bridge? Well, if we widened 156

[4:56:01] talking about Westport,

[4:56:02] >> I'm saying right there, you know, you're

[4:56:05] » I'm saying right there, you know, you're

[4:56:05] right here, your two lanes and your one

[4:56:08] lane here. Will this ever be will this

[4:56:09] never be a four lane road until the

[4:56:11] bridge gets widened and then it'll cuz

[4:56:13] on the side of the bridge

[4:56:15] >> it's four lanes with a median, you know?

[4:56:18] » it's four lanes with a median, you know?

[4:56:18] So, that'd be nice if that would all

[4:56:20] kind of

[4:56:21] >> come all the way to 156 like that. Yeah,

[4:56:23] » come all the way to 156 like that. Yeah,

[4:56:23] it's the your limiting your limitation

[4:56:26] is the bridge.

[4:56:27] >> Okay, how about this?

[4:56:28] » Okay, how about this?

[4:56:28] >> Get that three lanes there.

[4:56:29] » Get that three lanes there.

[4:56:30] >> You make it where the right hand lane

[4:56:31] » You make it where the right hand lane

[4:56:31] can bypass the first light.

[4:56:35] It has like a green arrow

[4:56:38] except for when the schoolhouse road

[4:56:39] left happens and then it just goes red

[4:56:41] for a second and let Schoolhouse Road

[4:56:44] turn left and then they can move into

[4:56:46] the right lane and not have not have

[4:56:48] traffic coming. And then except for the

[4:56:50] one moment that that's going left, you

[4:56:52] leave that green arrow straight on the

[4:56:54] right hand lane and then you don't have

[4:56:56] the conflict.

[4:56:57] >> So you have the red light with the green

[4:56:58] » So you have the red light with the green

[4:56:58] arrow which indicates you don't have to

[4:57:00] stop,

[4:57:00] >> right?

[4:57:01] » right?

[4:57:01] >> And you have the green arrow disappear

[4:57:03] » And you have the green arrow disappear

[4:57:03] >> when Schoolhouse Road is turning left.

[4:57:06] » when Schoolhouse Road is turning left.

[4:57:06] >> I mean, yeah, that would probably

[4:57:07] » I mean, yeah, that would probably

[4:57:07] require some signal head modifications

[4:57:09] and stuff, but we could we could look

[4:57:11] into that.

[4:57:12] >> But then the right hand lane can go

[4:57:13] » But then the right hand lane can go

[4:57:13] constantly except for when schoolhouse

[4:57:15] turns. Chris,

[4:57:17] >> I know there's a lot of ideas floating

[4:57:19] » I know there's a lot of ideas floating

[4:57:19] around here, but I need to bring us

[4:57:21] back. This meeting is about budget, not

[4:57:23] road design. Thank you.

[4:57:24] >> I I

[4:57:25] » I I

[4:57:25] >> So, let's let's come back to the budget.

[4:57:27] » So, let's let's come back to the budget.

[4:57:27] >> Mayor, really quick, just a reminder

[4:57:28] » Mayor, really quick, just a reminder

[4:57:28] that we have like 13 minutes left with

[4:57:30] Mr. Anderson. So, anything we need?

[4:57:32] >> Yeah. And I can I can stay a few minutes

[4:57:34] » Yeah. And I can I can stay a few minutes

[4:57:34] longer if needed, but I think we're

[4:57:35] getting pretty close here.

[4:57:36] >> You got to focus.

[4:57:37] » You got to focus.

[4:57:37] >> Good. So, we can understood all the

[4:57:39] » Good. So, we can understood all the

[4:57:39] points here. If we can just get this

[4:57:42] going and constructed, then we can talk

[4:57:43] about and look into those other options.

[4:57:45] I I understand.

[4:57:47] >> It's in the budget,

[4:57:48] » It's in the budget,

[4:57:48] >> right?

[4:57:48] » right?

[4:57:48] >> Yeah.

[4:57:50] » Yeah.

[4:57:50] >> Do we need to add more money for what

[4:57:51] » Do we need to add more money for what

[4:57:51] Chris might be talking about putting a

[4:57:53] median, put a concrete curve, do we need

[4:57:55] to add more money for that or is that uh

[4:57:56] we good?

[4:57:57] >> I think let's just let's get it built

[4:57:58] » I think let's just let's get it built

[4:57:58] and then by the time that all gets

[4:58:00] built, it'll we'll be already into the

[4:58:02] next budget.

[4:58:03] >> Okay.

[4:58:03] » Okay.

[4:58:03] >> Cuz the county guys can't do that work

[4:58:05] » Cuz the county guys can't do that work

[4:58:05] anyway. And that's who we've got right

[4:58:07] now doing all this right here. Yes, sir.

[4:58:12] >> Okay. Bluebound Road. We put a little

[4:58:13] » Okay. Bluebound Road. We put a little

[4:58:13] bit of money in there just in the off

[4:58:15] chance that that bridge

[4:58:18] >> gets funed.

[4:58:19] » gets funed.

[4:58:19] >> I do not have that in.

[4:58:21] » I do not have that in.

[4:58:21] >> Yeah. So, I've I've added it the 10,000.

[4:58:24] » Yeah. So, I've I've added it the 10,000.

[4:58:24] >> Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I don't I

[4:58:26] » Yes, ma'am. Just I don't I don't I

[4:58:26] haven't heard anything about that

[4:58:28] project at all. The the

[4:58:29] >> I haven't I called uh county not that

[4:58:33] » I haven't I called uh county not that

[4:58:33] long ago and they haven't gotten any

[4:58:35] word. Uh, they probably won't know

[4:58:38] anything

[4:58:40] probably until November, December time

[4:58:42] frame,

[4:58:44] >> election time.

[4:58:46] » election time.

[4:58:46] >> Yes. $10,000.

[4:59:03] And that would be one of those that we

[4:59:05] would expect to be a reimbursement too

[4:59:08] if the project becomes real.

[4:59:12] Okay, roads. Everybody's good

[4:59:16] till you see the bottom line. But I'll

[4:59:18] be gone. So,

[4:59:21] >> okay.

[4:59:23] » okay.

[4:59:23] your first

[4:59:26] >> do we want to talk about that right now

[4:59:27] » do we want to talk about that right now

[4:59:28] before we go into facilities or just go

[4:59:29] into facilities?

[4:59:31] >> Excuse me. What's that?

[4:59:33] » Excuse me. What's that?

[4:59:33] >> She was asking me if if I would give my

[4:59:35] » She was asking me if if I would give my

[4:59:35] recommendation on the roadway

[4:59:37] improvements as far as a priority list

[4:59:39] before I leave and I asked if that

[4:59:42] needed to happen now or if we want to

[4:59:43] get

[4:59:43] >> what we just covered.

[4:59:45] » what we just covered.

[4:59:45] >> Yes, sir.

[4:59:46] » Yes, sir.

[4:59:46] >> Just your top three.

[4:59:47] » Just your top three.

[4:59:47] >> Top three.

[4:59:47] » Top three.

[4:59:47] >> Okay. So, your uh one through 15 isn't a

[4:59:51] » Okay. So, your uh one through 15 isn't a

[4:59:51] priority.

[4:59:55] I'm asking first let me ask that that's

[4:59:58] you know 1 through 15 numerical rating

[5:00:01] is that that's not priority

[5:00:03] >> I mean that's

[5:00:05] » I mean that's

[5:00:05] not exactly

[5:00:07] >> okay well go ahead and please give your

[5:00:08] » okay well go ahead and please give your

[5:00:08] priority

[5:00:09] >> so let me make sure

[5:00:10] » so let me make sure

[5:00:10] >> I I would like to involve James Tucker

[5:00:13] » I I would like to involve James Tucker

[5:00:13] in that conversation too his is purely

[5:00:15] from engineering

[5:00:18] >> James Tucker has a viewpoint as well

[5:00:20] » James Tucker has a viewpoint as well

[5:00:20] >> James is going to be here he's just

[5:00:21] » James is going to be here he's just

[5:00:21] receing.

[5:00:22] >> Is this the top three you'd cut first or

[5:00:24] » Is this the top three you'd cut first or

[5:00:24] the highest part?

[5:00:25] >> Top three cut if you had to

[5:00:28] » Top three cut if you had to

[5:00:28] >> the the uh

[5:00:31] » the the uh

[5:00:31] um

[5:00:31] >> or amounts if you'd rather do that.

[5:00:32] » or amounts if you'd rather do that.

[5:00:32] >> Oh my gosh.

[5:00:36] » Okay.

[5:00:38] >> I think the I think sliding the Hassel

[5:00:40] » I think the I think sliding the Hassel

[5:00:40] Park Street design makes sense.

[5:00:43] >> I think the interotal phase two sliding

[5:00:46] » I think the interotal phase two sliding

[5:00:46] that out makes sense.

[5:00:48] Um,

[5:00:51] >> there's no phase two. Are you saying the

[5:00:52] » there's no phase two. Are you saying the

[5:00:52] phase one interotal?

[5:00:55] >> Well, there was some discussion I

[5:00:57] » Well, there was some discussion I

[5:00:57] thought about potentially moving into

[5:00:58] design on phase two and I don't

[5:01:00] >> No, we didn't. We did not budget any for

[5:01:01] » No, we didn't. We did not budget any for

[5:01:01] it. It's just the 1.1 you have. So,

[5:01:03] would you take some out of the 1.1?

[5:01:05] >> No, because that's going to be necessary

[5:01:07] » No, because that's going to be necessary

[5:01:07] to build phase one if we get the

[5:01:09] rideway.

[5:01:09] >> Pick again.

[5:01:12] » Pick again.

[5:01:12] >> Uh,

[5:01:14] » Uh,

[5:01:14] the uh Careway improvements. I I

[5:01:18] >> That's not on here.

[5:01:19] » That's not on here.

[5:01:19] >> I would slide those.

[5:01:20] » I would slide those.

[5:01:20] >> That's not on here. It's on.

[5:01:21] » That's not on here. It's on.

[5:01:21] >> That' be a fun 2020.

[5:01:23] » That' be a fun 2020.

[5:01:24] >> Pick again. [laughter]

[5:01:25] » Pick again. [laughter]

[5:01:25] >> Pick again.

[5:01:28] » Pick again.

[5:01:28] >> Um,

[5:01:29] » Um,

[5:01:29] >> pick again.

[5:01:38] » I think the I think

[5:01:39] >> I think that's our answer.

[5:01:40] » I think that's our answer.

[5:01:40] >> I think the top five are pretty

[5:01:42] » I think the top five are pretty

[5:01:42] important.

[5:01:44] >> Okay. So really you think everything

[5:01:46] » Okay. So really you think everything

[5:01:46] except for SD8 really needs to stay.

[5:01:48] Understood.

[5:01:54] » Okay.

[5:02:01] >> So that I get that right. You the top

[5:02:04] » So that I get that right. You the top

[5:02:04] five that you have now you said are the

[5:02:06] top five.

[5:02:08] >> Yes sir.

[5:02:08] » Yes sir.

[5:02:08] >> And for this for that 26 27 budget year.

[5:02:12] » And for this for that 26 27 budget year.

[5:02:12] >> Yes sir.

[5:02:13] » Yes sir.

[5:02:13] >> All right.

[5:02:15] » All right.

[5:02:15] Okay. Uh, facilities. Facilities is just

[5:02:19] catchall. This is not intended to be an

[5:02:22] all-inclusive. These are just things

[5:02:23] that we've picked up um as being

[5:02:27] potential projects or desired

[5:02:30] [clears throat] projects over the years.

[5:02:32] So, start with that. Um,

[5:02:35] community park, that was the uh

[5:02:38] underground service. So that's the

[5:02:40] service service line or the service

[5:02:43] upgrade and then the uh circuitry

[5:02:48] I guess for Christmas and

[5:02:52] uh food trucks and all the things right

[5:02:54] around the

[5:02:56] um

[5:02:58] around the pavilion area. I guess it

[5:02:59] would be

[5:03:03] » uh

[5:03:04] well we had there was 210 but that was

[5:03:08] thrown out I guess for next year. I I

[5:03:09] mean it's a lot of these things it's

[5:03:12] it's what's your pleasure as far as when

[5:03:14] do you guys want to get these

[5:03:15] accomplished

[5:03:18] that was kind of those that was one of

[5:03:19] those

[5:03:20] >> is it in your budget already?

[5:03:22] » is it in your budget already?

[5:03:22] >> Sorry.

[5:03:24] » Sorry.

[5:03:24] >> So I don't think so. The uh the lighting

[5:03:26] » So I don't think so. The uh the lighting

[5:03:26] stuff for the park was in a threephase

[5:03:28] approach to it was an upgrade to the

[5:03:29] service that was a uh in around the

[5:03:32] inner circle for power and then trail

[5:03:35] lighting. That was all three versions of

[5:03:36] it and I don't see it in here. Yeah. On

[5:03:39] the on Mr. Anderson's, it's not till

[5:03:41] next year that he's got 210 in there.

[5:03:44] >> It's It's in fun 15.

[5:03:46] » It's It's in fun 15.

[5:03:46] >> It's in fun.

[5:03:48] » It's in fun.

[5:03:48] Yeah. For 210,000.

[5:03:51] >> Yeah. 210. UG electric lighting and

[5:03:53] » Yeah. 210. UG electric lighting and

[5:03:53] receptacles. Yeah.

[5:03:55] >> Page 268.

[5:03:56] » Page 268.

[5:03:56] >> But the 125 for community park fencing,

[5:03:59] » But the 125 for community park fencing,

[5:03:59] I don't believe, is anywhere. So,

[5:04:00] >> Mr. Anderson, you can move that 210 up

[5:04:03] » Mr. Anderson, you can move that 210 up

[5:04:03] to this year there on your sheet.

[5:04:06] Well, maybe.

[5:04:08] >> No, it's not part of the general fund.

[5:04:09] » No, it's not part of the general fund.

[5:04:09] It's part of the fund 15.

[5:04:11] >> Oh, is it? Okay. So, we move that

[5:04:12] » Oh, is it? Okay. So, we move that

[5:04:12] forward.

[5:04:13] >> Yeah.

[5:04:13] » Yeah.

[5:04:13] >> And that's on 268.

[5:04:17] » 265.

[5:04:20] >> Yeah, it's on both.

[5:04:21] » Yeah, it's on both.

[5:04:21] >> 265. So, can

[5:04:23] » 265. So, can

[5:04:23] >> can you also put that note right there

[5:04:25] » can you also put that note right there

[5:04:25] for F1?

[5:04:27] >> I think it's

[5:04:31] F1B.

[5:04:35] Oh yeah, F1A.

[5:04:38] And then where is F1B located? You guys

[5:04:40] were just talking about that one, too.

[5:04:42] >> You said it's not

[5:04:43] » You said it's not

[5:04:43] >> She said it's not in there.

[5:04:44] » She said it's not in there.

[5:04:44] >> Okay.

[5:04:46] » Okay.

[5:04:46] >> Could we add it to fun 15?

[5:04:48] » Could we add it to fun 15?

[5:04:48] >> How critical is the fencing, though?

[5:04:50] » How critical is the fencing, though?

[5:04:50] >> Is that the This is This is a question I

[5:04:51] » Is that the This is This is a question I

[5:04:51] asked the other day. It's not It's not

[5:04:53] new fencing. It's all the replacement

[5:04:54] fencing.

[5:04:55] >> So, the fencing project here is the I

[5:04:58] » So, the fencing project here is the I

[5:04:58] guess the kind of the north property

[5:04:59] line there. And as far as we haven't had

[5:05:02] it ever, I just I think it's important

[5:05:04] that we kind of define the edge of the

[5:05:05] park there.

[5:05:07] >> Away from the church.

[5:05:08] » Away from the church.

[5:05:08] >> Yeah.

[5:05:08] » Yeah.

[5:05:08] >> Yeah. Church property.

[5:05:09] » Yeah. Church property.

[5:05:09] >> People are kind of trespassing on other

[5:05:12] » People are kind of trespassing on other

[5:05:12] property quite often and we like to kind

[5:05:14] of define that so they understand, you

[5:05:16] know, where the park property begins and

[5:05:18] ends and keeps them off of church

[5:05:19] property.

[5:05:20] >> Have you talked to the church?

[5:05:21] » Have you talked to the church?

[5:05:21] >> Not directly about and they have never

[5:05:23] » Not directly about and they have never

[5:05:23] complained either. This is just I see

[5:05:25] too often.

[5:05:26] >> Yeah, a few times. curious if they would

[5:05:27] » Yeah, a few times. curious if they would

[5:05:27] be they would really like this as well

[5:05:29] or if they would be like no we like that

[5:05:30] it's open and I don't know

[5:05:32] >> I have not reached out to the church for

[5:05:34] » I have not reached out to the church for

[5:05:34] it like I said we haven't had a lot of

[5:05:36] interaction there positive or negative I

[5:05:39] just often see people utilizing the park

[5:05:42] and crossing over their property I just

[5:05:45] >> think it made sense

[5:05:45] » think it made sense

[5:05:45] >> destroyed what you're talking I have

[5:05:47] » destroyed what you're talking I have

[5:05:47] never seen anybody coming

[5:05:51] from our park driving to the church I've

[5:05:54] never seen it

[5:05:55] >> so it's more Are there anybody from the

[5:05:57] » so it's more Are there anybody from the

[5:05:58] church driving into our park?

[5:06:00] >> Spec specifically during events. People

[5:06:02] » Spec specifically during events. People

[5:06:02] drive straight through the parking lot

[5:06:04] of the church and into the park in that

[5:06:07] area. They park all along where that

[5:06:08] cross is and they assume it's open

[5:06:10] property. They also I mean they just

[5:06:12] park in that as an open field. And so

[5:06:15] that is what we're trying to keep from.

[5:06:17] Also, it appears that we own more than

[5:06:19] we do there just because the way that

[5:06:21] line is that you would assume it's a

[5:06:23] straighter line and uh even city

[5:06:26] activities, we accidentally blur that

[5:06:28] line occasionally because we forget how

[5:06:30] close that really is. So that

[5:06:33] >> so that only occurs at these

[5:06:37] » so that only occurs at these

[5:06:37] large events that we hold

[5:06:39] >> or Sunday night volleyball Sunday

[5:06:41] » or Sunday night volleyball Sunday

[5:06:41] volleyball occurs all the time. That's

[5:06:44] >> I didn't realize we had that much

[5:06:45] » I didn't realize we had that much

[5:06:45] property. That's awesome. But that's

[5:06:46] ours

[5:06:47] >> on national night out like the 4th of

[5:06:49] » on national night out like the 4th of

[5:06:49] July or like a big event

[5:06:51] >> around right there where that is.

[5:06:52] » around right there where that is.

[5:06:52] There'll be people parked all up north

[5:06:55] of that new fence all up in there and

[5:06:58] there's people parked on both sides of

[5:06:59] the road and up in there. So that's

[5:07:01] reason why we're uh you know wanted to

[5:07:02] put that there.

[5:07:04] >> Park cars for the for volleyball. They

[5:07:06] » Park cars for the for volleyball. They

[5:07:06] use the headlights for it. So they

[5:07:08] access the park using this as an as

[5:07:11] entrance. We had this blocked off. It

[5:07:12] would keep people from driving into

[5:07:14] places they weren't supposed to.

[5:07:15] >> So you would take fence across the

[5:07:17] » So you would take fence across the

[5:07:17] property and up to the street

[5:07:20] >> and you would stop at the street.

[5:07:22] » and you would stop at the street.

[5:07:22] >> Correct.

[5:07:23] » Correct.

[5:07:23] >> Yes.

[5:07:24] » Yes.

[5:07:24] >> What's that going to stop? That's not

[5:07:25] » What's that going to stop? That's not

[5:07:25] going to stop any of that.

[5:07:27] >> I would think it would.

[5:07:29] » I would think it would.

[5:07:29] >> How does it stop?

[5:07:30] » How does it stop?

[5:07:30] >> They can't drive through the fence.

[5:07:32] » They can't drive through the fence.

[5:07:32] >> They can't drive through the fence, but

[5:07:33] » They can't drive through the fence, but

[5:07:33] they can still drive up into that part.

[5:07:36] I mean, to the church property and point

[5:07:38] their lights at the sand body. Well, I

[5:07:40] think I think they can also park pull up

[5:07:43] into on this city [clears throat] side

[5:07:45] of the fence and park in that little

[5:07:47] triangle area and point their headlights

[5:07:49] on the sand volleyball.

[5:07:51] >> Well, there's a drain.

[5:07:51] » Well, there's a drain.

[5:07:52] >> So, my question is a big

[5:07:54] » So, my question is a big

[5:07:54] >> I don't see that the design doesn't stop

[5:07:57] » I don't see that the design doesn't stop

[5:07:57] that.

[5:07:58] >> There's a big drain.

[5:07:58] » There's a big drain.

[5:07:58] >> It forces someone to intentionally make

[5:08:00] » It forces someone to intentionally make

[5:08:00] the decision to leave the the park

[5:08:03] property and go onto the church

[5:08:04] property. Right now, there could be

[5:08:06] confusion. A fence really clears up that

[5:08:08] confusion. Don't cross this line.

[5:08:10] >> James,

[5:08:11] » James,

[5:08:11] >> what? So, currently, right now, there's

[5:08:13] » what? So, currently, right now, there's

[5:08:13] no lights on the volleyball court.

[5:08:15] >> There are two lights that are solar ped.

[5:08:18] » There are two lights that are solar ped.

[5:08:18] Most of those lights are beyond their

[5:08:20] lifespan of starting to fail. And the

[5:08:22] original cost to those is the same cost,

[5:08:25] like there's not a maintenance of it.

[5:08:27] You either reby it all again at roughly

[5:08:30] $1,000 a light. So, we haven't done any

[5:08:32] maintenance. The long-term plan, which

[5:08:33] is the lighting and the plugs and the

[5:08:35] power, is to address that. Uh, but yes,

[5:08:39] there is two solar power lights. I'm not

[5:08:41] sure if they're currently working, but

[5:08:43] chances are if they are, they're not

[5:08:44] long lived. So,

[5:08:46] >> would it be better to would it be better

[5:08:47] » would it be better to would it be better

[5:08:47] to get some decent lights there now and

[5:08:50] to not put the fence or do we'd rather

[5:08:52] put the fence and not do the lights?

[5:08:54] >> I mean, I think the fence is a is is

[5:08:57] » I mean, I think the fence is a is is

[5:08:57] good to have regardless of the light

[5:08:59] need. I think people would also like to

[5:09:00] have lights for the volleyball.

[5:09:02] >> Yes. Uh, I just think having a way to to

[5:09:05] » Yes. Uh, I just think having a way to to

[5:09:05] define our property so that there is

[5:09:07] nobody in unintentionally I you can't

[5:09:09] stop if people intentionally trespass,

[5:09:11] but we just feel like it it makes sense

[5:09:14] to to defi define that the same way we

[5:09:17] did on 156.

[5:09:18] >> And I I think a conversation with the

[5:09:20] » And I I think a conversation with the

[5:09:20] with the church might be a first step. I

[5:09:23] know sometimes in the past they've had

[5:09:25] people park there for events and charged

[5:09:26] or did volunteer and then I don't know

[5:09:29] just to see what they had to say. But I

[5:09:32] like the fence 156. I think it does

[5:09:34] designate that area. It looks really

[5:09:35] nice.

[5:09:36] >> And we were having lots of people that

[5:09:37] » And we were having lots of people that

[5:09:37] would drive in there and park on the

[5:09:39] weekends and you can't really control

[5:09:40] access and what they're doing. So that's

[5:09:43] that was our entire intention here. And

[5:09:45] specifically, this is never where the

[5:09:48] average person thinks our property line

[5:09:50] is. So I think they unintentionally

[5:09:52] parked there. The across the street that

[5:09:54] parking lot that's there where the

[5:09:56] Sweeny's property is, people park there

[5:09:58] assuming it is part of the park. Yes.

[5:10:00] Yes.

[5:10:00] >> You know, and we're not we can't really

[5:10:01] » You know, and we're not we can't really

[5:10:01] police everything. I just know people

[5:10:03] just think a lot of this area is city

[5:10:05] park and we wanted to define that.

[5:10:07] >> In the meantime, can we just call 811,

[5:10:09] » In the meantime, can we just call 811,

[5:10:09] slam some stakes in the ground, and put

[5:10:11] up some like caution tape at least for

[5:10:14] the larger events?

[5:10:16] >> We a lot of times we do put up cones and

[5:10:18] » We a lot of times we do put up cones and

[5:10:18] things like that. Uh we can try to do

[5:10:21] something like that.

[5:10:23] I know in advance I mean we have checked

[5:10:27] with that church if we can let people

[5:10:29] park over there. They said fine

[5:10:32] >> not an issue with them. No that's the

[5:10:35] » not an issue with them. No that's the

[5:10:35] parking.

[5:10:38] No I can do that.

[5:10:39] >> So yeah it is a very important talk to

[5:10:42] » So yeah it is a very important talk to

[5:10:42] that church. You know they might not

[5:10:44] want that.

[5:10:44] >> So I like the open.

[5:10:46] » So I like the open.

[5:10:46] >> So the 125,000 is what is the cost

[5:10:50] » So the 125,000 is what is the cost

[5:10:50] estimate for that? acquire the property.

[5:10:54] >> That's to acquire the property. And

[5:10:58] » That's to acquire the property. And

[5:10:58] >> so

[5:11:02] if you buy the property, if you don't

[5:11:04] buy the property, you just bring the

[5:11:05] fence down.

[5:11:06] >> Yeah.

[5:11:06] » Yeah.

[5:11:06] >> To follow the Okay.

[5:11:07] » To follow the Okay.

[5:11:07] >> That lower the very lower corner is the

[5:11:10] » That lower the very lower corner is the

[5:11:10] actual property line now.

[5:11:11] >> And we wanted to encompass the drainage

[5:11:13] » And we wanted to encompass the drainage

[5:11:13] structure.

[5:11:14] >> Yeah.

[5:11:18] » See how that's kind of weird.

[5:11:29] Um, so we have to decide whether we want

[5:11:31] to put that in the budget, we want to

[5:11:32] leave it out and push back a year, we

[5:11:34] want to put it in fund 15, we want to

[5:11:36] put in general. What are our options

[5:11:37] here? Well, um I'm just going to point

[5:11:40] out on page 265

[5:11:43] for fund 15, um when we talked about

[5:11:46] putting in the 210, I recommended that

[5:11:50] we wait to see how our revenues come in

[5:11:52] because if you'll see the beginning

[5:11:54] balance in that fund is only 72,832.

[5:11:58] So, um

[5:12:00] we don't have the money projected for

[5:12:02] this pro for this project you're

[5:12:04] discussing now to come out of fund 15.

[5:12:07] So, it would need to come out of the

[5:12:08] general fund or

[5:12:11] be a wait and see. Um, in fund 15,

[5:12:15] >> it could be another one of those

[5:12:17] » it could be another one of those

[5:12:17] projects. You go ahead and include it

[5:12:18] now and at the end of the day determine

[5:12:21] we've got to cut it or not.

[5:12:23] >> I don't think it's worth putting in the

[5:12:25] » I don't think it's worth putting in the

[5:12:25] general fund at this moment.

[5:12:26] >> I agree.

[5:12:27] » I agree.

[5:12:27] >> Sorry.

[5:12:30] » Sorry.

[5:12:30] Don't you agree?

[5:12:31] >> She agreed. The the the men haven't.

[5:12:33] » She agreed. The the the men haven't.

[5:12:34] that this maybe needs to be one like

[5:12:35] next year.

[5:12:36] >> It's something to keep it on.

[5:12:38] » It's something to keep it on.

[5:12:38] >> I Chris, gentlemen, what do y'all think?

[5:12:40] » I Chris, gentlemen, what do y'all think?

[5:12:40] >> I would not put in the budget this year.

[5:12:42] » I would not put in the budget this year.

[5:12:42] >> Okay,

[5:12:42] » Okay,

[5:12:42] >> James, the the money that you have in

[5:12:44] » James, the the money that you have in

[5:12:44] there for the electrical, does that

[5:12:46] include lights for the volleyball court?

[5:12:48] >> It did not.

[5:12:49] » It did not.

[5:12:49] >> Did not. Okay. Thank you.

[5:12:52] » Did not. Okay. Thank you.

[5:12:52] >> So, that's something that the parks

[5:12:53] » So, that's something that the parks

[5:12:53] board could be directed to. Yep.

[5:12:55] >> Put on the

[5:12:56] » Put on the

[5:12:56] >> I'm going to try to go through the

[5:12:57] » I'm going to try to go through the

[5:12:57] correct process. I want you to take this

[5:12:58] 120, add it to the lighting project,

[5:13:01] include lights for the volleyball court.

[5:13:04] >> We're not going to do we did last year.

[5:13:05] » We're not going to do we did last year.

[5:13:06] We're going to give to the parks board

[5:13:07] and not do it in the budget workshop and

[5:13:09] then tell them we're doing a fall zone.

[5:13:12] We're doing a new playground. We're

[5:13:13] doing

[5:13:14] >> put in another volleyball court.

[5:13:15] » put in another volleyball court.

[5:13:15] >> But this can be so this a this is a

[5:13:16] » But this can be so this a this is a

[5:13:16] public works not really the not really

[5:13:18] the public this is a public works

[5:13:20] lighting plan

[5:13:21] >> in the in the in the park in Ha

[5:13:23] » in the in the in the park in Ha

[5:13:23] Community Park. So the parks board needs

[5:13:25] to be included in that. Can we keep

[5:13:27] going on facility so he can go?

[5:13:28] >> Yes.

[5:13:30] » Yes.

[5:13:30] >> Project. Oh, wait. Where's two?

[5:13:33] » Project. Oh, wait. Where's two?

[5:13:33] >> Yes.

[5:13:34] » Yes.

[5:13:34] >> Do you have more for us to go through?

[5:13:36] » Do you have more for us to go through?

[5:13:36] >> So, you're taking out the 120 for the

[5:13:37] » So, you're taking out the 120 for the

[5:13:37] fence.

[5:13:38] >> We're moving it to

[5:13:39] » We're moving it to

[5:13:39] >> never in. So, it's just not going in

[5:13:42] » never in. So, it's just not going in

[5:13:42] >> and Mike is sliding it.

[5:13:46] » and Mike is sliding it.

[5:13:46] >> Well, it's in his suggestion here. Okay.

[5:13:50] » Well, it's in his suggestion here. Okay.

[5:13:50] >> Next year.

[5:13:50] » Next year.

[5:13:50] >> Mike is sliding it. Am I the only one

[5:13:53] » Mike is sliding it. Am I the only one

[5:13:53] who doesn't see F2?

[5:13:56] Is there no F2?

[5:13:57] >> There's no F2.

[5:13:59] » There's no F2.

[5:13:59] >> Okay.

[5:14:03] » Victor two, I think.

[5:14:05] >> Understood.

[5:14:05] » Understood.

[5:14:06] >> Okay. Uh F3 would be the fire station

[5:14:09] » Okay. Uh F3 would be the fire station

[5:14:09] fields, restroom facility, and the

[5:14:12] maintenance building.

[5:14:15] That's currently budgeted.

[5:14:19] A little short, I

[5:14:20] >> believe.

[5:14:22] » believe.

[5:14:22] >> Yes.

[5:14:22] » Yes.

[5:14:22] >> Yes, it is.

[5:14:29] How much how much did y'all put in there

[5:14:30] again last week, last Saturday?

[5:14:32] >> Um, we didn't talk about this, but it's

[5:14:34] » Um, we didn't talk about this, but it's

[5:14:34] at 405

[5:14:36] >> 825 carryover.

[5:14:38] » 825 carryover.

[5:14:38] >> I'm looking at the general fund and then

[5:14:41] » I'm looking at the general fund and then

[5:14:41] the storage building is 80,000 carry

[5:14:45] carried forward.

[5:14:47] >> Where is that

[5:14:49] » Where is that

[5:14:49] under carry forward from the from prior

[5:14:51] year on general fund? If you look at the

[5:14:54] 100,000 that's that's highlighted. Go up

[5:14:56] a little. Go up a little bit and go down

[5:14:58] a little bit. You should see them

[5:15:01] >> community. No, that's a fence. Um fire

[5:15:04] » community. No, that's a fence. Um fire

[5:15:04] station fields restroom. I see that.

[5:15:06] Where's the other one though?

[5:15:09] >> Oh, there it is. Storage building. I

[5:15:11] » Oh, there it is. Storage building. I

[5:15:11] have a question. Can we align these two

[5:15:13] line items to match Mike's?

[5:15:17] It's just really important that these

[5:15:19] are easier to digest. So, right now we

[5:15:20] have it broken out as two separate

[5:15:23] projects, but Mike is working it as one

[5:15:25] where the storage field or the storage

[5:15:29] um building and the restrooms are going

[5:15:31] to be done together.

[5:15:33] I mean, is there a way to is that a

[5:15:35] simple ask, Marcy?

[5:15:38] >> And label it with the

[5:15:41] » And label it with the

[5:15:41] storage.

[5:15:44] » Well, the restroom is not going to be in

[5:15:46] the storage. the storage building.

[5:15:48] >> Sorry, the storage building is on call

[5:15:50] » Sorry, the storage building is on call

[5:15:50] on the plan and stuff.

[5:15:52] >> I understand who's designing it

[5:15:53] » I understand who's designing it

[5:15:53] together. Modular restroom facility and

[5:15:55] 30x40 public works storage facility.

[5:15:57] >> But they won't actually be connected.

[5:15:58] » But they won't actually be connected.

[5:15:58] They'll be two separate.

[5:15:59] >> Understood. But he's I'm just saying

[5:16:01] » Understood. But he's I'm just saying

[5:16:01] he's working on it together.

[5:16:03] >> He is doing them together. That's how he

[5:16:05] » He is doing them together. That's how he

[5:16:05] has them marked.

[5:16:06] >> Yeah. Mike, the assumption was that was

[5:16:07] » Yeah. Mike, the assumption was that was

[5:16:07] going to be bid together as one project.

[5:16:09] Correct.

[5:16:09] >> I would recommend we bid those at the

[5:16:11] » I would recommend we bid those at the

[5:16:11] same time.

[5:16:11] >> Okay. So, if they're saying just add

[5:16:14] » Okay. So, if they're saying just add

[5:16:14] them together instead of being separate.

[5:16:16] So

[5:16:21] » consolidate

[5:16:23] >> and did you look if those numbers

[5:16:25] » and did you look if those numbers

[5:16:25] correlate?

[5:16:27] I can look it up

[5:16:29] >> if all those numbers match the two. So

[5:16:32] » if all those numbers match the two. So

[5:16:32] hold on.

[5:16:32] >> 501.

[5:16:33] » 501.

[5:16:34] >> Which number are you talking about?

[5:16:35] » Which number are you talking about?

[5:16:35] >> It's pretty close. It's 485. It's It's

[5:16:38] » It's pretty close. It's 485. It's It's

[5:16:38] short by 20,000 from your spreadsheet.

[5:16:41] That okay, Mike.

[5:16:43] >> Not if you want to take it out. I think

[5:16:46] » Not if you want to take it out. I think

[5:16:46] I think we're going to need we we

[5:16:48] [snorts] had 500 in there.

[5:16:50] >> 501500.

[5:16:52] » 501500.

[5:16:52] >> It's 452,11724

[5:16:56] between the two line items.

[5:16:57] >> No, it's 485825.

[5:16:59] » No, it's 485825.

[5:17:00] >> I think it was I think I heard

[5:17:02] » I think it was I think I heard

[5:17:02] >> 485.

[5:17:03] » 485.

[5:17:03] >> So it's about

[5:17:04] » So it's about

[5:17:04] >> Where's 85?

[5:17:05] » Where's 85?

[5:17:05] >> The 80 is the fire department.

[5:17:06] » The 80 is the fire department.

[5:17:06] >> Oh, I marked the wrong line. Thank you.

[5:17:07] » Oh, I marked the wrong line. Thank you.

[5:17:08] I'm sorry.

[5:17:08] >> So that'd be 15 about 16,000 short. But

[5:17:11] » So that'd be 15 about 16,000 short. But

[5:17:12] I don't know if the 15,000 goes to the

[5:17:14] storage building or the 15,000 goes to

[5:17:15] the restroom.

[5:17:16] >> Well, it's gonna go all together.

[5:17:17] » Well, it's gonna go all together.

[5:17:17] >> The restroom. Okay. So, no, there's two

[5:17:19] » The restroom. Okay. So, no, there's two

[5:17:19] different line items. So, let's change

[5:17:22] the restroom to 420 420,000.

[5:17:26] She said there were two there were two

[5:17:27] line items. So, she's going to put them

[5:17:28] together, but she not you're not

[5:17:29] combining them into one line item.

[5:17:31] >> That's what she's doing

[5:17:33] » That's what she's doing

[5:17:33] >> to match my because they're going to go

[5:17:34] » to match my because they're going to go

[5:17:34] out to bid together.

[5:17:36] >> I'm going to put them together. I

[5:17:38] » I'm going to put them together. I

[5:17:38] already have two separate. I thought you

[5:17:41] were saying that you could

[5:17:42] >> I could put them together on sheet so

[5:17:44] » I could put them together on sheet so

[5:17:44] you can see them together,

[5:17:46] >> but they're Yeah, different they're

[5:17:47] » but they're Yeah, different they're

[5:17:47] different budget line items.

[5:17:49] >> 29 and 37.

[5:17:52] » 29 and 37.

[5:17:52] >> So, is everybody good with adding um

[5:17:55] » So, is everybody good with adding um

[5:17:55] 15,000 to the restrooms making it

[5:17:56] 420,825?

[5:17:59] >> I just have a question. How is that

[5:18:00] » I just have a question. How is that

[5:18:00] going to work when it goes out to bid

[5:18:02] together?

[5:18:04] We can we can have two separate bid

[5:18:07] sections. And

[5:18:08] >> I know, but then if we're off on one and

[5:18:10] » I know, but then if we're off on one and

[5:18:10] short, so we're high on one and short on

[5:18:12] the other, we can't just move the funds.

[5:18:14] Could we not just make it one?

[5:18:19] » You get what I'm saying?

[5:18:21] >> You're talking about on the accounting

[5:18:23] » You're talking about on the accounting

[5:18:23] side?

[5:18:23] >> Yeah. On the accounting side, won't it

[5:18:25] » Yeah. On the accounting side, won't it

[5:18:25] matter if it aligns

[5:18:31] » from the from the engineers perspective?

[5:18:33] It's easy.

[5:18:33] >> Not for you. Yeah. But for when they pay

[5:18:35] » Not for you. Yeah. But for when they pay

[5:18:36] out if

[5:18:41] » Yeah, that's what I'm

[5:18:45] just because they're going to put it out

[5:18:46] to bid together. I'm asking if

[5:18:49] >> No,

[5:18:51] » No,

[5:18:52] >> but

[5:18:52] » but

[5:18:52] >> what's that problem? I'm saying so if we

[5:18:55] » what's that problem? I'm saying so if we

[5:18:55] identify, we have no idea. He doesn't

[5:18:56] list out and break out the bathrooms

[5:18:58] versus the shed. So say right now we

[5:19:01] make this 450,000 for the restrooms and

[5:19:05] 96 for the shed, but the bid comes back

[5:19:08] with costs that are completely

[5:19:09] different. If they're separate line

[5:19:11] items on accounting, we would have to

[5:19:13] modify. Whereas if it's one,

[5:19:16] >> that's what I was asking.

[5:19:22] county

[5:19:23] though we have this

[5:19:27] these

[5:19:31] [clears throat]

[5:19:32] >> so as long as they can

[5:19:33] » so as long as they can

[5:19:33] >> such as I'll just use this as

[5:19:35] » such as I'll just use this as

[5:19:35] >> let me ask you originally we did these

[5:19:36] » let me ask you originally we did these

[5:19:36] as two separate projects

[5:19:39] >> are there two separate projects or is

[5:19:42] » are there two separate projects or is

[5:19:42] this

[5:19:44] 30 by 40 storage building included in

[5:19:47] your project

[5:19:48] >> there there were two separate projects

[5:19:50] » there there were two separate projects

[5:19:50] but proximitywise,

[5:19:52] surveywise, service-wise, time-wise, it

[5:19:55] made sense to just design them as one.

[5:19:57] >> Okay,

[5:19:58] » Okay,

[5:19:58] >> that's

[5:19:58] » that's

[5:19:58] >> Well, I think the fallacy is calling

[5:20:02] » Well, I think the fallacy is calling

[5:20:02] projects.

[5:20:03] It's all one project.

[5:20:06] >> The two different facilities on so far,

[5:20:11] » The two different facilities on so far,

[5:20:11] >> it is a restroom facility and a storage

[5:20:15] » it is a restroom facility and a storage

[5:20:15] building facility.

[5:20:16] >> I was trying to simplify that

[5:20:17] » I was trying to simplify that

[5:20:17] >> but one project.

[5:20:22] Sir, we don't have a quorum,

[5:20:25] >> Mr. Mayor.

[5:20:30] » All right. Uh,

[5:20:32] [clears throat]

[5:20:34] » that's right.

[5:20:35] >> So, that's my that's my question.

[5:20:37] » So, that's my that's my question.

[5:20:37] >> Fair. You just can't get up and leave.

[5:20:40] » Fair. You just can't get up and leave.

[5:20:40] Council people cannot just get up and

[5:20:42] leave the room.

[5:20:43] >> You've also left the room to get coffee.

[5:20:45] » You've also left the room to get coffee.

[5:20:45] Um, but

[5:20:46] >> but the but at least three of us have to

[5:20:47] » but the but at least three of us have to

[5:20:48] stay long.

[5:20:48] >> Okay. Yeah, we're here. We're all We're

[5:20:50] » Okay. Yeah, we're here. We're all We're

[5:20:50] all back.

[5:20:50] >> What time do you got to leave, Mr.

[5:20:52] » What time do you got to leave, Mr.

[5:20:52] Anderson?

[5:20:53] >> Now.

[5:20:53] » Now.

[5:20:53] >> 10 minutes.

[5:20:53] » 10 minutes.

[5:20:53] >> What's your cut off time?

[5:20:55] » What's your cut off time?

[5:20:55] >> Uh, 2:30.

[5:20:57] » Uh, 2:30.

[5:20:57] >> 2:30.

[5:20:57] » 2:30.

[5:20:58] >> We got plenty of time, folks. Plenty of

[5:20:59] » We got plenty of time, folks. Plenty of

[5:20:59] time.

[5:21:00] >> Okay, Marc Jasmine, now you can go.

[5:21:02] » Okay, Marc Jasmine, now you can go.

[5:21:02] >> I'm going to wait till he comes in here.

[5:21:03] » I'm going to wait till he comes in here.

[5:21:03] >> Okay. Soon as everybody gets.

[5:21:05] » Okay. Soon as everybody gets.

[5:21:06] >> Okay. Let's Let's finish this one

[5:21:09] » Okay. Let's Let's finish this one

[5:21:09] conversation here. It sounds like we're

[5:21:10] done with your facilities. Is that

[5:21:12] right?

[5:21:13] >> No.

[5:21:13] » No.

[5:21:13] >> No. We still have two more.

[5:21:14] » No. We still have two more.

[5:21:14] >> Four. five and six.

[5:21:15] » Four. five and six.

[5:21:15] >> And my question was, did we want to add

[5:21:16] » And my question was, did we want to add

[5:21:16] an additional $20,000 to the restroom so

[5:21:19] it matches the spreadsheet?

[5:21:21] >> I for sure want to do that.

[5:21:22] » I for sure want to do that.

[5:21:22] >> Yes. And yes, perfect.

[5:21:24] » Yes. And yes, perfect.

[5:21:24] >> Okay.

[5:21:26] » Okay.

[5:21:26] >> Make it 420,825.

[5:21:30] » Okay. Total. And then I guess Marcy, you

[5:21:33] just look to see if you should combine

[5:21:35] or what's best for you.

[5:21:36] >> I'll look and see if there's been

[5:21:37] » I'll look and see if there's been

[5:21:37] expenditure. I can journal entry. I'll

[5:21:40] I'll fix it.

[5:21:41] >> Let her figure it out.

[5:21:42] » Let her figure it out.

[5:21:42] >> Okay. Okay. And we'll add a label for F3

[5:21:44] » Okay. Okay. And we'll add a label for F3

[5:21:44] to that where whatever you end up doing.

[5:21:49] >> I love that we're connecting it.

[5:21:51] » I love that we're connecting it.

[5:21:51] >> Me, too.

[5:21:52] » Me, too.

[5:21:52] >> Happy loop.

[5:21:53] » Happy loop.

[5:21:53] >> Okay.

[5:21:55] » Okay.

[5:21:55] >> My wife would call that tying it out in

[5:21:57] » My wife would call that tying it out in

[5:21:57] the accounting world.

[5:21:58] >> I like it.

[5:22:00] » I like it.

[5:22:00] >> It doesn't tie or does one or the other.

[5:22:03] » It doesn't tie or does one or the other.

[5:22:03] >> Do we even need to talk about F4? Cuz

[5:22:04] » Do we even need to talk about F4? Cuz

[5:22:04] didn't we delete like

[5:22:07] >> didn't we?

[5:22:07] » didn't we?

[5:22:07] >> There's nothing on Well, it has 350,000

[5:22:10] » There's nothing on Well, it has 350,000

[5:22:10] last year.

[5:22:11] >> Did we? Okay.

[5:22:13] » Did we? Okay.

[5:22:13] >> Last Saturday we said well that's 27.

[5:22:17] » Last Saturday we said well that's 27.

[5:22:17] >> Mike, have you finished your facilities

[5:22:19] » Mike, have you finished your facilities

[5:22:19] presentation?

[5:22:20] >> No.

[5:22:21] » No.

[5:22:21] >> No. I've got got three more

[5:22:24] » No. I've got got three more

[5:22:24] >> real quick.

[5:22:26] » real quick.

[5:22:26] >> But we need to wait, right?

[5:22:27] » But we need to wait, right?

[5:22:28] >> No, you're good.

[5:22:28] » No, you're good.

[5:22:28] >> You're good. There's three of us.

[5:22:29] » You're good. There's three of us.

[5:22:29] >> Okay. All right. So, the the project

[5:22:33] » Okay. All right. So, the the project

[5:22:33] 2025, we had access

[5:22:36] gate and access to the city 78 acres.

[5:22:40] So, what I've got up on the screen here

[5:22:42] is uh the an exhibit that shows how the

[5:22:47] city's property comes together at the U

[5:22:52] Hasslet Parkway at Hassllet Parkway. And

[5:22:56] what we did was we looked at trying to

[5:22:58] sort out access to this property

[5:23:01] irrespective of the use of the property.

[5:23:03] There is only one location that will

[5:23:06] work from a technical standpoint

[5:23:09] to access this property. So you can see

[5:23:12] we did quite a bit of work to plan out

[5:23:14] the location of this, checking

[5:23:16] driveways, sight distance, turn lane

[5:23:18] links for the future, all the things,

[5:23:21] taking into account existing drives and

[5:23:24] existing turn lanes. And we settled upon

[5:23:27] a a driveway location

[5:23:30] uh generally shown on this exhibit here.

[5:23:33] And so we've got a project that is ready

[5:23:36] for bids, actually hit the paper last

[5:23:39] week to construct a fence, pipe rail

[5:23:43] fence and gate along Hasslet Parkway

[5:23:48] and build.

[5:23:51] So that's generally the the

[5:23:54] fence, the pipe rail fence,

[5:23:57] and then there's some u barb wire

[5:24:00] fencing to tie things in. Um the the

[5:24:04] design and the bid package also includes

[5:24:07] a median opening. There is no median

[5:24:09] opening.

[5:24:10] So you see to access it right now you'd

[5:24:13] have to come up and whip a UEI that's

[5:24:15] just off the sheet, but we we went ahead

[5:24:19] and designed a a median opening and

[5:24:21] we're bidding that as an alternate

[5:24:24] to see if that can come in under budget

[5:24:27] and meet the needs of the city. You

[5:24:29] think 286,000 is going to cover that?

[5:24:34] >> No, I think it's I think 286 would would

[5:24:37] » No, I think it's I think 286 would would

[5:24:37] cover the driveway and the fence, but I

[5:24:39] don't think it's going to cover the

[5:24:40] median opening. I think that'll be more

[5:24:42] like 350, but we've already got it

[5:24:45] designed and we're going to bid it as an

[5:24:46] alternate.

[5:24:47] >> Okay.

[5:24:48] » Okay.

[5:24:48] >> And if

[5:24:48] » And if

[5:24:48] >> what was the previous estimate that you

[5:24:51] » what was the previous estimate that you

[5:24:51] gave me?

[5:24:51] >> 38 350

[5:24:53] » 38 350

[5:24:53] >> 350. How'd it get down to 260?

[5:24:56] » 350. How'd it get down to 260?

[5:24:56] >> He just said he took it. He just said

[5:24:58] » He just said he took it. He just said

[5:24:58] it. He took out the

[5:25:01] >> with with the median opening is 350.

[5:25:03] » with with the median opening is 350.

[5:25:03] >> Yeah.

[5:25:03] » Yeah.

[5:25:03] >> Without the median opening it's 2.

[5:25:05] » Without the median opening it's 2.

[5:25:05] >> You need a median improvement.

[5:25:07] » You need a median improvement.

[5:25:07] >> So sorry carry forward.

[5:25:10] » So sorry carry forward.

[5:25:10] >> What is this budgeted at in our budget?

[5:25:13] » What is this budgeted at in our budget?

[5:25:13] >> 2864647

[5:25:15] » 2864647

[5:25:15] >> 286.

[5:25:16] » 286.

[5:25:16] >> Yes.

[5:25:17] » Yes.

[5:25:17] >> How did that happen?

[5:25:18] » How did that happen?

[5:25:18] >> That's been there. That was

[5:25:20] » That's been there. That was

[5:25:20] >> How did that happen?

[5:25:21] » How did that happen?

[5:25:21] >> That was what you proposed.

[5:25:23] » That was what you proposed.

[5:25:23] >> No.

[5:25:24] » No.

[5:25:24] >> Yes.

[5:25:25] » Yes.

[5:25:25] >> That came in your budget. that was

[5:25:27] » That came in your budget. that was

[5:25:27] probably um carried forward.

[5:25:32] >> It was

[5:25:33] » It was

[5:25:33] >> um

[5:25:35] » um

[5:25:35] it was probably originally 350 and now

[5:25:37] it's down to

[5:25:37] >> 28. We need how much

[5:25:40] » 28. We need how much

[5:25:40] >> because with the median opening and the

[5:25:42] » because with the median opening and the

[5:25:42] fence and the driveway

[5:25:44] >> 350.

[5:25:46] » 350.

[5:25:46] >> So the Yeah.

[5:25:48] » So the Yeah.

[5:25:48] >> Can I ask you how important this access

[5:25:51] » Can I ask you how important this access

[5:25:51] is? Why we would push this project for

[5:25:52] this year when we've got a million other

[5:25:55] expenses?

[5:25:57] Well, this this this was in this year's

[5:26:00] budget.

[5:26:02] >> Yeah, but we haven't awarded it yet. I I

[5:26:03] » Yeah, but we haven't awarded it yet. I I

[5:26:03] realize

[5:26:04] >> No, we have and we haven't awarded it.

[5:26:05] » No, we have and we haven't awarded it.

[5:26:05] We haven't We're bidding it, but um

[5:26:09] access to the property.

[5:26:11] >> Access to the property. We have 78 acres

[5:26:15] » Access to the property. We have 78 acres

[5:26:15] and don't have access to the property.

[5:26:17] >> We don't have to work.

[5:26:20] » We don't have to work.

[5:26:20] >> We don't have any use lined up yet.

[5:26:22] » We don't have any use lined up yet.

[5:26:22] >> But I think it's going to be important

[5:26:23] » But I think it's going to be important

[5:26:23] that we do this now so when it is

[5:26:24] developed, we have this. It's never

[5:26:26] going to get

[5:26:26] >> to tell you this.

[5:26:27] » to tell you this.

[5:26:27] >> Okay, I guess I'm done talking

[5:26:29] » Okay, I guess I'm done talking

[5:26:29] >> is using that access.

[5:26:31] » is using that access.

[5:26:31] >> Yeah, I think I think they're Are you

[5:26:32] » Yeah, I think I think they're Are you

[5:26:32] guys accessing?

[5:26:34] >> Are you

[5:26:36] » Are you

[5:26:36] sort of

[5:26:37] >> there is there is a a method we we will

[5:26:39] » there is there is a a method we we will

[5:26:39] >> dirt

[5:26:40] » dirt

[5:26:40] >> there is dirt road that goes there and

[5:26:42] » there is dirt road that goes there and

[5:26:42] we uh do utilize that. It would be

[5:26:45] helpful to have an appropriate access

[5:26:47] off of there. It's just given certain

[5:26:49] times of the day it is much easier to

[5:26:51] get people and equipment

[5:26:53] >> through this direction. It's, you know,

[5:26:55] » through this direction. It's, you know,

[5:26:55] we don't have to have it, but it is

[5:26:57] something we would utilize and

[5:26:58] appreciate if it was there.

[5:26:59] >> We're small town Texas. We can go

[5:27:01] » We're small town Texas. We can go

[5:27:01] off-roading.

[5:27:05] » That's what Dollar General's for.

[5:27:07] >> We can do it at Dollar General. We can

[5:27:08] » We can do it at Dollar General. We can

[5:27:08] do it on an empty lot, but that's just

[5:27:11] me.

[5:27:11] >> I say we leave it. I think it's going to

[5:27:12] » I say we leave it. I think it's going to

[5:27:12] be important that we get access to that

[5:27:14] and that it

[5:27:16] I know right now it doesn't seem as like

[5:27:19] priority number one, but I think it's

[5:27:20] important that they they have access to

[5:27:22] it. There's another way to enter it and

[5:27:24] it'll look good de development wise.

[5:27:26] >> Can we leave it now and keep it in mind

[5:27:27] » Can we leave it now and keep it in mind

[5:27:27] if we need to cut?

[5:27:28] >> Yeah, for sure.

[5:27:29] » Yeah, for sure.

[5:27:29] >> And do we want to move it to the 350?

[5:27:31] » And do we want to move it to the 350?

[5:27:31] He's saying he needs

[5:27:32] >> So the original budget was 350,000 and

[5:27:35] » So the original budget was 350,000 and

[5:27:35] they've spent 13 350 225

[5:27:37] >> doing what?

[5:27:38] » doing what?

[5:27:38] >> Well, that would be 300,000.

[5:27:41] » Well, that would be 300,000.

[5:27:41] >> Why that what was what was that spent

[5:27:42] » Why that what was what was that spent

[5:27:42] on? Do we know?

[5:27:43] >> Engineering [snorts] survey survey and

[5:27:45] » Engineering [snorts] survey survey and

[5:27:45] engineering.

[5:27:47] >> I think we did the land swap exhibits

[5:27:49] » I think we did the land swap exhibits

[5:27:49] with that too. So the 28 the 286 or

[5:27:52] whatever's left in there would be enough

[5:27:54] to

[5:27:55] >> No, he's saying it's not.

[5:27:56] » No, he's saying it's not.

[5:27:56] >> You need another 350.

[5:27:58] » You need another 350.

[5:27:58] >> No, not enough.

[5:27:59] » No, not enough.

[5:27:59] >> We would need a note. There's $63,35255

[5:28:04] carried forward or added on the carry

[5:28:06] forward. So, can we mark that for now

[5:28:08] and come back?

[5:28:09] >> Yeah, Mike. Is that sufficient to just

[5:28:13] » Yeah, Mike. Is that sufficient to just

[5:28:13] restore it to 350?

[5:28:14] >> I think so. Yes. That'll at least get

[5:28:16] » I think so. Yes. That'll at least get

[5:28:16] the driveway built. Yeah.

[5:28:18] >> Okay. You got one.

[5:28:19] » Okay. You got one.

[5:28:19] >> James or David, have y'all ever seen

[5:28:21] » James or David, have y'all ever seen

[5:28:21] anybody that should not be on the

[5:28:24] property entering the property from

[5:28:25] Hasset Parkway since Hasslet Parkway has

[5:28:27] been built?

[5:28:28] >> So up to that.

[5:28:28] » So up to that.

[5:28:28] >> So recently that's been a common

[5:28:30] » So recently that's been a common

[5:28:30] occurrence. We've been ensuring that gas

[5:28:33] well entrance is locked which we hope is

[5:28:35] deterring that. But it's being used by

[5:28:38] by more it's gas well employees

[5:28:40] obviously for the use of gas wells. We

[5:28:42] have seen uh other utility companies

[5:28:46] using it to access rightaway and then

[5:28:48] now recently we've been seeing the

[5:28:49] general public all who would should not.

[5:28:51] So having that gate would make that

[5:28:54] better uh to control that kind of

[5:28:56] access.

[5:28:57] >> So high schoolers won't be driving out

[5:28:58] » So high schoolers won't be driving out

[5:28:58] there doing donuts out on our property

[5:29:00] or something, you know.

[5:29:01] >> Yeah. Well, mainly they're just looking

[5:29:02] » Yeah. Well, mainly they're just looking

[5:29:02] for a quick cut through to get back.

[5:29:05] >> Or if we built the roads right, they

[5:29:07] » Or if we built the roads right, they

[5:29:07] wouldn't need it.

[5:29:11] » I'm going to keep

[5:29:13] hidden.

[5:29:13] >> So, so a fence would So, even though

[5:29:15] » So, so a fence would So, even though

[5:29:15] we'd like to save money right now, but a

[5:29:17] fence would be beneficial to help keep

[5:29:19] people off.

[5:29:20] >> Yeah, it's a beneficial project, like I

[5:29:22] » Yeah, it's a beneficial project, like I

[5:29:22] said, and I can't speak for what it'd be

[5:29:24] in a year or so, but I assume it only

[5:29:25] gets more expensive to build it and it

[5:29:27] was budgeted and

[5:29:29] >> it makes sense to complete.

[5:29:31] » it makes sense to complete.

[5:29:31] >> Mike, are you going to be bidding that

[5:29:33] » Mike, are you going to be bidding that

[5:29:33] this fiscal year?

[5:29:34] >> There's nothing in here for public works

[5:29:36] » There's nothing in here for public works

[5:29:36] building.

[5:29:38] >> All right. What's next?

[5:29:44] library.

[5:29:50] » The thought [clears throat] of that is

[5:29:52] um

[5:29:57] if I could find that.

[5:29:59] >> We talked about this last week.

[5:30:01] » We talked about this last week.

[5:30:01] >> We did and uh I got to mention it

[5:30:03] » We did and uh I got to mention it

[5:30:03] briefly.

[5:30:06] the the current library

[5:30:10] is insufficient.

[5:30:12] >> We all agree.

[5:30:13] » We all agree.

[5:30:13] >> It is insufficient.

[5:30:14] » It is insufficient.

[5:30:14] >> We all agree.

[5:30:15] » We all agree.

[5:30:15] >> And building a new library, it is

[5:30:19] » And building a new library, it is

[5:30:19] getting u

[5:30:22] frees up that existing library for city

[5:30:26] offices and a dedicated council

[5:30:28] chambers. Each wing is twice the size at

[5:30:33] least of this area.

[5:30:36] And in that so the library

[5:30:42] >> before taking it

[5:30:43] » before taking it

[5:30:43] >> before you continue can he just do his

[5:30:44] » before you continue can he just do his

[5:30:44] last one then he can go and then we can

[5:30:46] go back to

[5:30:46] >> I didn't know he had anything he

[5:30:47] » I didn't know he had anything he

[5:30:48] mentioned library.

[5:30:48] >> Are you done or is there anything else?

[5:30:51] » Are you done or is there anything else?

[5:30:51] >> I'd like to go through that last go

[5:30:53] » I'd like to go through that last go

[5:30:53] ahead go through that last one then we

[5:30:55] can let you go.

[5:30:56] >> Okay.

[5:30:57] » Okay.

[5:30:57] >> Okay.

[5:30:59] » Okay.

[5:30:59] >> Then we can

[5:31:03] » Okay. The last item that I have up here

[5:31:05] is the public works annex.

[5:31:09] The public works annex. That was the

[5:31:13] uh p public works and the material

[5:31:17] storage, the yard, road, utilities. That

[5:31:22] was the uh plans that we brought to the

[5:31:26] last council meeting along with the

[5:31:28] updated cost estimate. That project's

[5:31:30] right around 5 5.1 million.

[5:31:35] >> You got something to show?

[5:31:37] » You got something to show?

[5:31:37] >> Uh yeah, I can I'm sorry I didn't have

[5:31:39] » Uh yeah, I can I'm sorry I didn't have

[5:31:39] anything pulled up.

[5:31:40] >> While you're pulling that up, you think

[5:31:41] » While you're pulling that up, you think

[5:31:41] 5.1 million is required for next year?

[5:31:44] You think it'll be designed, bid, and

[5:31:46] completed?

[5:31:47] >> I was going to I was going to briefly

[5:31:49] » I was going to I was going to briefly

[5:31:49] touch on that.

[5:31:50] >> Okay.

[5:31:50] » Okay.

[5:31:50] >> Thank you for Thank you for bringing

[5:31:52] » Thank you for Thank you for bringing

[5:31:52] that up.

[5:31:53] >> No worries. I think it's 425 now and

[5:31:55] » No worries. I think it's 425 now and

[5:31:55] then the rest the next

[5:31:59] >> 425 now and then the rest the next year.

[5:32:01] » 425 now and then the rest the next year.

[5:32:01] >> I would think it's it's probably going

[5:32:02] » I would think it's it's probably going

[5:32:02] to be split between 27 28 28 and 29 is

[5:32:05] what I

[5:32:07] >> see here

[5:32:09] » see here

[5:32:10] the four point

[5:32:12] I guess he's going to go over.

[5:32:15] >> So

[5:32:17] » So

[5:32:17] disappeared on me. Okay everybody can

[5:32:21] see the screen. So right now, this is

[5:32:23] the plan that we're moving forward with

[5:32:25] into detailed design. We've got these

[5:32:28] three buildings. Everything you see in

[5:32:31] gray is either part of the yard, part of

[5:32:33] the parking lot, or the roadway. One of

[5:32:36] the thoughts that we had was taking the

[5:32:38] material that's going to be generated

[5:32:40] from the Tarant County road work

[5:32:42] projects, the three projects set to get

[5:32:44] underway next month, using that wrap

[5:32:47] material, stockpiling it at a location

[5:32:51] generally over here out of our way.

[5:32:54] using that to construct a good portion

[5:32:58] of the yard and all of the road road

[5:33:00] base and parking lot materials which

[5:33:03] would result in a significant savings on

[5:33:06] the project. We had a million dollars in

[5:33:07] here for the road and the and the yard

[5:33:10] paving. I think we could save a

[5:33:12] significant amount of money. the the

[5:33:15] type of construction and the type of

[5:33:17] contractor that you would have doing

[5:33:19] your buildings, you don't necessarily

[5:33:21] want them building roads or doing other

[5:33:23] things. So, what what we had talked

[5:33:25] about doing was moving forward with the

[5:33:28] three buildings. Those are currently

[5:33:30] that project's funded at $2.5 million.

[5:33:33] Correct. Correct.

[5:33:34] >> We have three buildings there. We're

[5:33:36] » We have three buildings there. We're

[5:33:36] we're we we've got our architect going

[5:33:38] to come in and next week, week after

[5:33:41] that, we should be able to hone in on

[5:33:43] what these buildings are going to cost.

[5:33:44] I would recommend we move forward with

[5:33:47] the design of the foundation and the

[5:33:49] buildings. Try to get those out on the

[5:33:52] street in the next six weeks. Get the

[5:33:55] buildings out for bid while we sort

[5:33:57] through the design for the rest of the

[5:34:00] road and the utilities and then you all

[5:34:03] determine how you want to pay for that

[5:34:06] short shortfall if you will on the

[5:34:08] project. To answer your question, we

[5:34:10] could get started with the construction

[5:34:12] of the buildings

[5:34:14] um this next fiscal year and the roadway

[5:34:20] and the yard and the fencing could all

[5:34:22] come in um as part of next year's budget

[5:34:25] or later. But I just recommend we split

[5:34:28] it into two separate projects

[5:34:31] would be my recommendation on the

[5:34:34] implementation of it.

[5:34:35] >> So 2.5 now and 2.5

[5:34:39] » So 2.5 now and 2.5

[5:34:39] later.

[5:34:39] >> Yeah. If if we have to get concurrence

[5:34:41] » Yeah. If if we have to get concurrence

[5:34:41] from the county that they're going to um

[5:34:44] we don't have our ILA signed, which we

[5:34:46] know it's just a matter of getting it

[5:34:48] signed for the Westport Parkway

[5:34:50] Schoolhouse intersection. We we need to

[5:34:53] get them on board saying that, yeah,

[5:34:54] we'll come in and build this road. If we

[5:34:57] can do that, then that's that shaves

[5:34:59] potentially

[5:35:00] 6 to $800,000 off that 500 or that $5

[5:35:04] million project. But we won't be able to

[5:35:06] do that for the next few months. So, we

[5:35:08] were thinking if we could just keep some

[5:35:11] money in there and then somehow split

[5:35:15] the project into two phases,

[5:35:18] that would be a logical path forward. I

[5:35:21] know that doesn't help solve your

[5:35:22] >> So, you're talking building the uh

[5:35:26] » So, you're talking building the uh

[5:35:26] fenced area, which is almost 4 acres.

[5:35:30] >> That's right. Is that correct?

[5:35:31] » That's right. Is that correct?

[5:35:32] >> Yes, sir. and

[5:35:34] » Yes, sir. and

[5:35:34] the foundations, the buildings, get as

[5:35:39] far as you can on all of that.

[5:35:42] Is that correct?

[5:35:44] >> Um, that's one way to do it. Or

[5:35:46] » Um, that's one way to do it. Or

[5:35:46] >> no, no. What are you suggesting to do?

[5:35:49] » no, no. What are you suggesting to do?

[5:35:49] >> Well, I'm s What I'm suggesting is that

[5:35:51] » Well, I'm s What I'm suggesting is that

[5:35:51] we move forward with the design and

[5:35:52] construction of three standalone

[5:35:54] buildings right there as one package.

[5:35:56] >> Yeah. The other package would include

[5:35:59] » Yeah. The other package would include

[5:35:59] the fencing, the road, the yard, and the

[5:36:01] utilities to support those three

[5:36:03] standalone buildings.

[5:36:04] >> And you're suggesting the roads first,

[5:36:07] » And you're suggesting the roads first,

[5:36:07] >> correct?

[5:36:09] » correct?

[5:36:09] >> Well, it would all just be one project.

[5:36:11] » Well, it would all just be one project.

[5:36:12] >> Well, that's what I'm saying. The road

[5:36:13] » Well, that's what I'm saying. The road

[5:36:13] the because you you keep talking about

[5:36:15] breaking it apart into two.

[5:36:16] >> I think the the buildings are going to

[5:36:17] » I think the the buildings are going to

[5:36:17] take longer, I think, than the utilities

[5:36:19] and the road. So, if we could get those

[5:36:22] going,

[5:36:24] continue the design of the buildings,

[5:36:26] get those out for bid, let's say

[5:36:28] October,

[5:36:29] >> and by the time they're really trying to

[5:36:31] » and by the time they're really trying to

[5:36:31] get anything going on the site, you're

[5:36:33] talking probably after the first of the

[5:36:35] year,

[5:36:35] >> okay,

[5:36:35] » okay,

[5:36:35] >> we'll have plenty of time at that point

[5:36:37] » we'll have plenty of time at that point

[5:36:37] to get the county to be on board on

[5:36:40] whether or not they would construct the

[5:36:41] roadway. At a minimum, we know we're

[5:36:43] going to have the materials. we could

[5:36:46] finish a separate set of civil plans for

[5:36:49] the uh grading, fencing, road, and

[5:36:51] utilities and just have that as a

[5:36:54] separate package. So that that would be

[5:36:56] the the way I would recommend you

[5:36:58] implement this as a two-phase project.

[5:37:01] And I I we're we're running out of time

[5:37:03] to try to figure out before your

[5:37:06] budget's adopted exactly what the

[5:37:08] dollars are going to be, right? But I'm

[5:37:11] what I'm hoping and I think we'll be

[5:37:13] able to get to the point that that 5.1

[5:37:15] could probably be more like 4.1 or 4.3

[5:37:20] if the county is able to construct the

[5:37:21] road.

[5:37:22] >> Agreed. So, what do you need this year

[5:37:23] » Agreed. So, what do you need this year

[5:37:23] to try to get the county to do that

[5:37:25] road? That's the question. Is the 2.5 or

[5:37:27] do you need the full 4? What do you need

[5:37:29] this year?

[5:37:32] I think we would need um

[5:37:34] >> I let me I'm going to interrupt

[5:37:36] » I let me I'm going to interrupt

[5:37:36] >> knowing knowing the knowing your

[5:37:39] » knowing knowing the knowing your

[5:37:39] workload and all the things that have to

[5:37:42] come together to think that you can get

[5:37:45] through and the architect and structure

[5:37:48] and everybody else get a design and get

[5:37:51] it out to bid that's and have anything

[5:37:56] to construct within a fiscal year is not

[5:38:00] going to Mayor, can I can I not be

[5:38:02] interrupted because we agreed to that

[5:38:03] last time. I would ask you before I

[5:38:05] spoke and you wouldn't interrupt. Mike,

[5:38:07] what do you think you need this year?

[5:38:09] >> I think we I think the 2.5 would be

[5:38:12] » I think we I think the 2.5 would be

[5:38:12] adequate to get the buildings designed

[5:38:15] and under contract. Now, how much of

[5:38:18] that would be left? I won't know that

[5:38:21] for probably at least two weeks because

[5:38:23] we got to get with the architect, figure

[5:38:24] out how it's going to finish out. Um, so

[5:38:28] any any remaining funds could go to the

[5:38:30] rest of the project. And if you're

[5:38:32] asking should how much more of the 5.1

[5:38:35] should we try to give you to get going

[5:38:38] on the road and the utilities? Is that

[5:38:39] what I'm

[5:38:40] >> Yes.

[5:38:41] » Yes.

[5:38:41] >> Um,

[5:38:42] » Um,

[5:38:42] >> ballpark.

[5:38:43] » ballpark.

[5:38:43] >> Let's say um 750,000.

[5:38:46] » Let's say um 750,000.

[5:38:46] >> So you would need us to take you to 3.25

[5:38:49] » So you would need us to take you to 3.25

[5:38:49] million this year,

[5:38:50] >> right? I think that's reasonable for

[5:38:53] » right? I think that's reasonable for

[5:38:53] this next fiscal year. How much how much

[5:38:56] I don't know if you already said it

[5:38:57] while ago, but [clears throat] by us

[5:39:00] using the reused asphalt from the other

[5:39:02] three projects, stockpiling it and

[5:39:04] already having that on site, how much do

[5:39:06] you think that's going to save us from

[5:39:07] having to go buy new asphalt and we can

[5:39:09] reuse that?

[5:39:09] >> I think that could save 6 to 800,000 off

[5:39:12] » I think that could save 6 to 800,000 off

[5:39:12] that estimate.

[5:39:13] >> So us adding the 750,000 this year could

[5:39:15] » So us adding the 750,000 this year could

[5:39:15] save us 6 to 800,000 correct in the

[5:39:18] following. Okay. And Mike, just one more

[5:39:21] time, the left part that says total

[5:39:23] sight area 3.759.

[5:39:25] What is that fenced in area for? Just

[5:39:27] debris or what? What is that area

[5:39:29] utilized for?

[5:39:31] >> That area right there. Yeah.

[5:39:32] » That area right there. Yeah.

[5:39:32] >> Well, that's that's for just

[5:39:34] » Well, that's that's for just

[5:39:34] >> that's our brush our brush and limb day

[5:39:36] » that's our brush our brush and limb day

[5:39:36] drop off area. That's where we're going

[5:39:38] to keep spoils or anything. Okay. But

[5:39:40] mainly brush and limb is what we're

[5:39:42] expecting there.

[5:39:43] >> Okay. And then what are we doing with

[5:39:44] » Okay. And then what are we doing with

[5:39:44] the old building?

[5:39:45] >> We're going to keep using it.

[5:39:47] » We're going to keep using it.

[5:39:47] >> We will keep using it. And the long-term

[5:39:49] » We will keep using it. And the long-term

[5:39:49] plan would be to ever to be completely

[5:39:51] in this section over here and that'd be

[5:39:52] open to something else. Okay. We think

[5:39:54] long-term plans there would require some

[5:39:56] ma massive reworking just because of the

[5:39:58] drainage issues we've always had there.

[5:40:00] Everything there is too low by

[5:40:02] comparison or lots of work would have to

[5:40:04] happen around us.

[5:40:06] >> And this new plan still keeps all the

[5:40:08] » And this new plan still keeps all the

[5:40:08] utilities available, easements a open,

[5:40:12] gas wells accessible, all those things,

[5:40:14] right?

[5:40:15] >> Yes. They would still continue to use

[5:40:17] » Yes. They would still continue to use

[5:40:17] that gas hall road which is our driveway

[5:40:19] and then the access road up here would

[5:40:21] be unencumbered by all those gas line

[5:40:23] easements and the issues that were

[5:40:25] related to them.

[5:40:26] >> Okay. So 750,000 is what he needs.

[5:40:29] » Okay. So 750,000 is what he needs.

[5:40:29] >> Yeah. I do I was coming in today willing

[5:40:31] » Yeah. I do I was coming in today willing

[5:40:31] to go up to the full 5 million. So if

[5:40:34] you think only that's 3.25 is sufficient

[5:40:37] then I'm I'm definitely okay.

[5:40:38] >> I think I think that's enough to get us

[5:40:40] » I think I think that's enough to get us

[5:40:40] through this next year. I I think that's

[5:40:42] that's

[5:40:43] >> and then the rest next year whatever's

[5:40:44] » and then the rest next year whatever's

[5:40:44] left.

[5:40:44] >> Yeah. And then Mike to go to the mayor's

[5:40:47] » Yeah. And then Mike to go to the mayor's

[5:40:47] kind of comment about, you know, your

[5:40:50] guys' ability. Where does Belchip and

[5:40:53] Associates sit with the amount of work?

[5:40:54] This is going to be a heavy engineering

[5:40:57] prepping for construction year. Can you

[5:40:59] guys handle all that? What is your

[5:41:01] response to that?

[5:41:01] >> Yeah, we we've we've got um eight eight

[5:41:04] » Yeah, we we've we've got um eight eight

[5:41:04] full-time folks there at the office now.

[5:41:07] Back when we used to work for you guys

[5:41:10] in earnest, we we had three besides

[5:41:13] George. So, we're capable. We've we've

[5:41:16] uh we're not working for the town of

[5:41:18] Ponder anymore, who was a big um uh

[5:41:21] client of ours up and that's that's

[5:41:24] within the last 3 months. So, we we have

[5:41:26] the manpower to put on these projects.

[5:41:28] >> So, there's nothing we budgeted for this

[5:41:29] » So, there's nothing we budgeted for this

[5:41:29] year that you would not be able to hit

[5:41:31] the necessary deadlines to achieve.

[5:41:32] >> No, we can we can we can achieve

[5:41:34] » No, we can we can we can achieve

[5:41:34] everything in this budget.

[5:41:35] >> Okay. I just want to make sure. And then

[5:41:37] » Okay. I just want to make sure. And then

[5:41:37] one other thing, you weren't here last

[5:41:38] Saturday. We put um $100,000 for a town

[5:41:42] hall future vision um potentially

[5:41:45] considering actually the front of this

[5:41:47] public works land for a town hall or

[5:41:51] somewhere else in the city. Do you think

[5:41:53] that's enough to get us going? Um we

[5:41:55] didn't want to spend a ton because we

[5:41:57] want to work on our strategic plan, but

[5:41:59] we also wanted to put funds available

[5:42:01] for you to start considering locations

[5:42:02] in the town um and more prepare us for

[5:42:05] next year.

[5:42:06] >> Yeah. And we've got an associate that

[5:42:08] » Yeah. And we've got an associate that

[5:42:08] might be a good um source for some of

[5:42:10] that work, too. But yeah, 100 100,000 is

[5:42:13] more than adequate to put something

[5:42:15] together. You're talking about for this

[5:42:16] piece right here?

[5:42:17] >> Yeah. Well, it was it was an idea.

[5:42:21] » Yeah. Well, it was it was an idea.

[5:42:21] >> But just come up with something that

[5:42:23] » But just come up with something that

[5:42:23] could fit into a space

[5:42:24] >> potentially. Some offices and places for

[5:42:27] » potentially. Some offices and places for

[5:42:28] people to meet concrete

[5:42:30] >> for our growing staff.

[5:42:33] » for our growing staff.

[5:42:33] >> I'm done.

[5:42:34] » I'm done.

[5:42:34] >> Anything else? I have a question.

[5:42:37] » Anything else? I have a question.

[5:42:37] >> Yes, sir.

[5:42:38] » Yes, sir.

[5:42:38] >> What is that road needed for

[5:42:41] » What is that road needed for

[5:42:41] >> to get to the

[5:42:42] » to get to the

[5:42:42] >> No, it Well, public works would be the

[5:42:45] » No, it Well, public works would be the

[5:42:45] only thing out there

[5:42:47] >> and they currently use schoolhouse road

[5:42:49] » and they currently use schoolhouse road

[5:42:49] or that road off of schoolhouse road.

[5:42:52] >> James talked about this a few weeks ago.

[5:42:55] » James talked about this a few weeks ago.

[5:42:55] >> So, what is that new road down to the

[5:42:58] » So, what is that new road down to the

[5:42:58] south and into that four?

[5:43:02] >> James talked about this a few weeks ago

[5:43:03] » James talked about this a few weeks ago

[5:43:03] at a city council meeting. need

[5:43:05] >> I I didn't

[5:43:09] I don't uh I'm asking the question now.

[5:43:14] >> What is that road needed for?

[5:43:16] » What is that road needed for?

[5:43:16] >> So they get 18 wheelers in there.

[5:43:18] » So they get 18 wheelers in there.

[5:43:18] >> James, can you can you bring

[5:43:19] » James, can you can you bring

[5:43:19] >> James can answer that or Mike Anderson?

[5:43:21] » James can answer that or Mike Anderson?

[5:43:21] And Mike Anderson designed it. What's it

[5:43:23] needed for?

[5:43:26] >> Access to the public works and building

[5:43:29] » Access to the public works and building

[5:43:29] services department.

[5:43:30] >> Building services

[5:43:31] » Building services

[5:43:31] >> including 18. You're planning on putting

[5:43:33] » including 18. You're planning on putting

[5:43:34] building services out here.

[5:43:35] >> Yeah, we talked about take and yeah, not

[5:43:37] » Yeah, we talked about take and yeah, not

[5:43:37] having the rental fee here. That's one

[5:43:39] of the options is one of them there.

[5:43:40] >> I want to give you an example and this

[5:43:43] » I want to give you an example and this

[5:43:43] is about using taxpayer money.

[5:43:47] >> Let's say that that road ends up costing

[5:43:51] » Let's say that that road ends up costing

[5:43:52] the city,

[5:43:53] >> I don't know, $750,000.

[5:43:57] » I don't know, $750,000.

[5:43:57] Probably $1.5 million road, right? Let's

[5:44:00] say we save half of it through the

[5:44:03] county.

[5:44:05] $750,000.

[5:44:06] Take a calculator.

[5:44:09] Take $750,000. Divide $38,000

[5:44:13] into it. And how many years will it take

[5:44:17] to recoup that money? If you're doing it

[5:44:20] only for building services,

[5:44:22] >> not just for them. Last future

[5:44:24] » not just for them. Last future

[5:44:24] development [clears throat] for that for

[5:44:25] that other side of 77 acres. And there

[5:44:28] was an issue.

[5:44:29] >> There was future development. I I also

[5:44:31] » There was future development. I I also

[5:44:31] mentioned and

[5:44:32] >> future development of what?

[5:44:34] » future development of what?

[5:44:34] >> The other side of the road.

[5:44:36] » The other side of the road.

[5:44:36] >> Other side.

[5:44:37] » Other side.

[5:44:37] >> Okay.

[5:44:37] » Okay.

[5:44:38] >> M Mr. Mayor, can No. Can Can we Can

[5:44:40] » M Mr. Mayor, can No. Can Can we Can

[5:44:40] >> Are you talking about the 40 acres on

[5:44:42] » Are you talking about the 40 acres on

[5:44:42] the south side?

[5:44:43] >> He just doesn't want this one.

[5:44:45] » He just doesn't want this one.

[5:44:45] >> Mr. Mayor.

[5:44:45] » Mr. Mayor.

[5:44:46] >> Yes.

[5:44:47] » Yes.

[5:44:47] Maybe about a month ago, James Tucker

[5:44:49] got up and stood at the podium and gave

[5:44:51] a big presentation of why

[5:44:54] we cannot do this up here because of

[5:44:57] utilities, those gas ements and stuff

[5:44:59] and he said we could not do that up

[5:45:00] there and it's not good. So that's why

[5:45:02] they came up with this new road right

[5:45:05] here.

[5:45:06] >> James, do you mind spend just a few

[5:45:08] » James, do you mind spend just a few

[5:45:08] minutes and explain that again because

[5:45:10] it's

[5:45:11] >> but he doesn't understand.

[5:45:13] » but he doesn't understand.

[5:45:13] >> Yeah.

[5:45:13] » Yeah.

[5:45:13] >> Well, what was you know? I find it

[5:45:15] » Well, what was you know? I find it

[5:45:15] interesting. I listen to your questions.

[5:45:18] I don't tell you or comment about your

[5:45:21] questions, but every one of you are

[5:45:23] chiding me for asking a question.

[5:45:26] >> But he went every one of you.

[5:45:28] » But he went every one of you.

[5:45:28] >> I think the issue is that

[5:45:29] » I think the issue is that

[5:45:29] >> is that professional is that working?

[5:45:31] » is that professional is that working?

[5:45:31] >> Chris hasn't said a word. Chris has not

[5:45:33] » Chris hasn't said a word. Chris has not

[5:45:33] said a word about Chris hasn't said a

[5:45:35] word.

[5:45:36] >> Not every one of us has is frustrating.

[5:45:39] » Not every one of us has is frustrating.

[5:45:39] >> Well, majority of you looking at all

[5:45:41] » Well, majority of you looking at all

[5:45:41] three of you now.

[5:45:41] >> So then there So

[5:45:42] » So then there So

[5:45:42] >> So James, Mr. Tucker, would you explain

[5:45:46] » So James, Mr. Tucker, would you explain

[5:45:46] to that why that road is needed?

[5:45:49] >> All right. This road was was put on here

[5:45:51] » All right. This road was was put on here

[5:45:51] and was suggested because of the gas

[5:45:55] lines that are in the way to make this

[5:45:57] for public access to get down to it. Gas

[5:45:59] lines, we have not ever come up with an

[5:46:01] exact number, but the uh based on what

[5:46:04] engineering knows about the typical

[5:46:06] rules of crossing gas lines, they are

[5:46:08] not going to let us construct a

[5:46:09] permanent access road over at least one

[5:46:11] of the gathering lines. and we'd have to

[5:46:13] cross the line at at least like a 90

[5:46:15] degree angle, which could be possible,

[5:46:18] but the utilities that have to be

[5:46:20] extended along that road would only ever

[5:46:22] service the public works building um and

[5:46:25] really nobody else. And the cost

[5:46:28] difference, I mean, there is a cost

[5:46:29] difference to provide them on this other

[5:46:31] road, but more people would benefit from

[5:46:33] them. So, that's what we suggest. would

[5:46:35] benefit what people

[5:46:37] >> any the there's a neighboring piece of

[5:46:39] » any the there's a neighboring piece of

[5:46:39] property if things ever develop there

[5:46:40] they could utilize the water and sewer

[5:46:42] as well and anything else

[5:46:46] you to

[5:46:47] >> do a development for the other property

[5:46:50] » do a development for the other property

[5:46:50] >> that was just one of the possible um

[5:46:51] » that was just one of the possible um

[5:46:52] positives of being proactive is what is

[5:46:53] I think what we were saying

[5:46:54] >> which is something this city has

[5:46:55] » which is something this city has

[5:46:55] struggled with

[5:46:56] >> I see

[5:47:00] I'm just asking you know the use of

[5:47:02] money

[5:47:02] >> that's a great question because we want

[5:47:04] » that's a great question because we want

[5:47:04] to make sure that Yeah, the money that's

[5:47:05] being spent is going to be a useful way

[5:47:08] to spend it. So,

[5:47:10] >> uh the other thing I want to mention is

[5:47:11] » uh the other thing I want to mention is

[5:47:12] about thinking about uh putting building

[5:47:15] services there. Now, that whole idea,

[5:47:17] that old compound and that whole idea

[5:47:19] emanated from the mayor years ago

[5:47:23] and uh the idea when it could been we

[5:47:27] were looking at thinking that it could

[5:47:29] be put on the west side of the existing

[5:47:33] public works building that I I thought,

[5:47:36] well, you know, that would be a

[5:47:40] we could put building services up there

[5:47:42] with them. we could save $38,000 a year,

[5:47:46] 36 at that time.

[5:47:49] Well, what we've learned or actually

[5:47:53] public works and planning and everybody

[5:47:55] learned here in the last few months, you

[5:47:57] can't put it up here on the west side.

[5:48:01] So that's why it's on the east side now.

[5:48:05] And with regard to building services

[5:48:09] over there, then that becomes that is a

[5:48:13] an office used by the public and that

[5:48:16] becomes almost a hidden spot. The

[5:48:21] as far as ease of access and service to

[5:48:25] uh those folks who get permits and

[5:48:28] building inspections and things of that

[5:48:30] nature,

[5:48:32] you can't find a better place than where

[5:48:34] it's at right now.

[5:48:35] >> Were you saying that was 37? What was

[5:48:37] » Were you saying that was 37? What was

[5:48:37] the amount?

[5:48:38] >> 38,000.

[5:48:39] » 38,000.

[5:48:39] >> How much? 38,000 is what he's used

[5:48:41] » How much? 38,000 is what he's used

[5:48:41] >> currently. It's 44,400 and that doesn't

[5:48:43] » currently. It's 44,400 and that doesn't

[5:48:43] include the the insurance. Is that I was

[5:48:45] talking about the public the rental?

[5:48:46] >> I'm not talking about just the rental of

[5:48:48] » I'm not talking about just the rental of

[5:48:48] the

[5:48:48] >> That's what she's talking about.

[5:48:49] » That's what she's talking about.

[5:48:49] >> 38,000.

[5:48:50] » 38,000.

[5:48:50] >> It's 37,000 this year, which is 44,400.

[5:48:54] » It's 37,000 this year, which is 44,400.

[5:48:54] >> I just want to get my numbers right. And

[5:48:56] » I just want to get my numbers right. And

[5:48:56] then there's is there also liability? Is

[5:48:58] there also insurance that we're paying?

[5:48:59] >> But also all the storage fees that we

[5:49:01] » But also all the storage fees that we

[5:49:01] have for the library, for parks board,

[5:49:03] for

[5:49:04] >> No, not I'm talking about very

[5:49:05] » No, not I'm talking about very

[5:49:06] specifically building services. I am

[5:49:07] too. But you were talking about $38,000

[5:49:09] that we would save.

[5:49:11] >> It's 44,000 include all

[5:49:14] » It's 44,000 include all

[5:49:14] >> 44,400.

[5:49:15] » 44,400.

[5:49:15] >> I know.

[5:49:16] » I know.

[5:49:16] >> Also, all the storage fees took right

[5:49:19] » Also, all the storage fees took right

[5:49:19] now groups.

[5:49:20] >> Well, no, that's already in that was

[5:49:22] » Well, no, that's already in that was

[5:49:22] never uh building services would not be

[5:49:25] providing storage area. I'm talking

[5:49:27] about just the relocation.

[5:49:28] >> Those buildings

[5:49:29] » Those buildings

[5:49:29] >> building services

[5:49:30] » building services

[5:49:30] >> and those buildings would also include

[5:49:32] » and those buildings would also include

[5:49:32] storage.

[5:49:33] >> Yeah. So, this is going to wipe out like

[5:49:35] » Yeah. So, this is going to wipe out like

[5:49:35] $50,000 plus a year that we're spending

[5:49:38] right now.

[5:49:39] >> I'm looking at rent.

[5:49:40] » I'm looking at rent.

[5:49:40] >> Can I ask that we get back to the

[5:49:41] » Can I ask that we get back to the

[5:49:42] agenda?

[5:49:42] >> But this is not on the agenda. That's

[5:49:44] » But this is not on the agenda. That's

[5:49:44] what I'm saying. Can we get back to the

[5:49:45] agenda?

[5:49:45] >> Is that this road was needed because

[5:49:49] » Is that this road was needed because

[5:49:49] >> technically this isn't on the agenda.

[5:49:51] » technically this isn't on the agenda.

[5:49:51] >> An improved road for the public to go to

[5:49:53] » An improved road for the public to go to

[5:49:53] building services. That's what I was

[5:49:56] told.

[5:49:56] >> Mayor, technically we have not told the

[5:49:58] » Mayor, technically we have not told the

[5:49:58] public we're discussing this building.

[5:49:59] It's not even on the budget. It's not

[5:50:00] something we're considering the

[5:50:02] >> Oh, now you you want to I'm just

[5:50:04] » Oh, now you you want to I'm just

[5:50:04] bringing it down.

[5:50:05] >> You know what? I I see the bias here.

[5:50:07] » You know what? I I see the bias here.

[5:50:08] Anyway, it's not

[5:50:09] >> If I took 700

[5:50:11] » If I took 700

[5:50:11] >> $50,000 and divided 30 or $44,000 a year

[5:50:17] » $50,000 and divided 30 or $44,000 a year

[5:50:17] into it, it takes 17 years to get your

[5:50:19] money back.

[5:50:20] >> The bias here is that we don't want a

[5:50:22] » The bias here is that we don't want a

[5:50:22] horse arena and we don't want a

[5:50:23] community garden. I know those are what

[5:50:25] have you have planned for that that

[5:50:26] land. But what we decided that's what

[5:50:28] that land was bought for.

[5:50:29] >> But we have decided that absolutely not

[5:50:31] » But we have decided that absolutely not

[5:50:31] true.

[5:50:31] >> It is true. I was on capital and that

[5:50:33] » It is true. I was on capital and that

[5:50:33] was purchased and that is not true. That

[5:50:35] was not true statement.

[5:50:36] >> It is true.

[5:50:37] » It is true.

[5:50:37] >> That might be why you are telling people

[5:50:39] » That might be why you are telling people

[5:50:39] that absolutely not property for us.

[5:50:43] >> An executive session was the only time

[5:50:45] » An executive session was the only time

[5:50:45] in question was ever mentioned until a

[5:50:46] public town hall meeting where it was

[5:50:48] talked about. But at council when I was

[5:50:50] on it and we talked about it, it was

[5:50:52] >> Oh, an open session. No, it wasn't say

[5:50:54] » Oh, an open session. No, it wasn't say

[5:50:54] it's fought very specifically. And it

[5:50:56] >> Wait, so you're disclosing executive

[5:50:57] » Wait, so you're disclosing executive

[5:50:57] session?

[5:50:58] >> No, he already that's already been done.

[5:50:59] » No, he already that's already been done.

[5:51:00] But um

[5:51:00] >> he already did that.

[5:51:01] » he already did that.

[5:51:01] >> But we said we wanted to wait and see

[5:51:03] » But we said we wanted to wait and see

[5:51:03] what the citizens wanted in that area. I

[5:51:05] I have the notes. I have We can That was

[5:51:08] not purchased for that specifically by

[5:51:11] by council approving that.

[5:51:12] >> Either way, this is not on this agenda.

[5:51:14] » Either way, this is not on this agenda.

[5:51:14] >> No, this is on the agenda. Oh, you don't

[5:51:16] » No, this is on the agenda. Oh, you don't

[5:51:16] want to talk about this.

[5:51:19] >> I'm talking about this has very

[5:51:21] » I'm talking about this has very

[5:51:21] specifically relates to the budget. It's

[5:51:24] investing money in a an element for a

[5:51:28] particular reason. It's all about money.

[5:51:30] That's what this budget is about.

[5:51:32] >> No matter what we're building, the

[5:51:33] » No matter what we're building, the

[5:51:33] public works office, which they need the

[5:51:35] road to access and for the residents to

[5:51:38] be able to access that drop off point. I

[5:51:40] forget what you referred to it as, which

[5:51:42] means we have to build that other road.

[5:51:45] >> Mr.

[5:51:46] » Mr.

[5:51:46] >> Well, that's that's not particularly

[5:51:48] » Well, that's that's not particularly

[5:51:48] true. You don't have to. Oh, we've

[5:51:50] decided to

[5:51:51] >> I I you know, I just wanted to ask the

[5:51:53] » I I you know, I just wanted to ask the

[5:51:53] question.

[5:51:55] >> Can I ask a question? Can I

[5:51:57] » Can I ask a question? Can I

[5:51:57] >> maybe Maybe he might write up something.

[5:51:58] » maybe Maybe he might write up something.

[5:51:58] The mayor can't ask questions.

[5:52:00] >> No, you can ask questions. I'm just

[5:52:01] » No, you can ask questions. I'm just

[5:52:02] talking about office being built right

[5:52:03] now.

[5:52:04] >> Thank you very much. I am glad I got

[5:52:05] » Thank you very much. I am glad I got

[5:52:06] your permission.

[5:52:06] >> Mr. Mayor.

[5:52:07] » Mr. Mayor.

[5:52:08] >> Yes.

[5:52:09] » Yes.

[5:52:09] >> Over here.

[5:52:11] » Over here.

[5:52:12] >> I was not saying while ago you couldn't

[5:52:13] » I was not saying while ago you couldn't

[5:52:13] ask a question. That was not my my

[5:52:16] statement. I was just referencing.

[5:52:19] Thanks. Thanks for coming back. I was

[5:52:20] just referencing that about a month ago,

[5:52:23] Mr. Tucker gave a long presentation

[5:52:25] during city council meeting, an update

[5:52:27] on the public works building. He told

[5:52:29] why we needed the new road and why we

[5:52:31] could not use the old road because of

[5:52:33] utilities. I was just telling you that

[5:52:36] to save all this discussion when you

[5:52:38] answer that question that he already had

[5:52:40] a presentation for it and you can ask

[5:52:44] him at a later time why that road is not

[5:52:45] done, why we need this new road. He gave

[5:52:47] a long drawn out multiple PowerPoint

[5:52:49] deal of why the road is. So

[5:52:51] >> that's good.

[5:52:52] » that's good.

[5:52:52] >> That's that's what I was trying I was

[5:52:53] » That's that's what I was trying I was

[5:52:53] not saying I wouldn't say you could ask

[5:52:54] questions. You can

[5:52:56] >> I was just reference he already said

[5:52:58] » I was just reference he already said

[5:52:58] that and we

[5:52:59] >> I appreciate that.

[5:53:00] » I appreciate that.

[5:53:00] >> Yes, sir.

[5:53:00] » Yes, sir.

[5:53:00] >> Thank you very much.

[5:53:03] » Thank you very much.

[5:53:03] >> All right. Okay. Are we done with

[5:53:06] » All right. Okay. Are we done with

[5:53:06] facilities?

[5:53:07] >> Yes. So, we're not going to talk about a

[5:53:09] » Yes. So, we're not going to talk about a

[5:53:10] library and the remodel of this one, but

[5:53:13] we're going to talk about let's build a

[5:53:16] monument called a city hall complex. Is

[5:53:18] that

[5:53:18] >> Well, you said you were going to talk

[5:53:19] » Well, you said you were going to talk

[5:53:19] about the library.

[5:53:20] >> 25 to $30 million. That's what you're

[5:53:22] » 25 to $30 million. That's what you're

[5:53:22] talking about.

[5:53:23] >> You said we were going to come back and

[5:53:24] » You said we were going to come back and

[5:53:24] talk about the library. We're not doing

[5:53:25] that.

[5:53:25] >> Are we going to talk about the library?

[5:53:27] » Are we going to talk about the library?

[5:53:27] That's what you said.

[5:53:28] >> The library The librarian said last

[5:53:30] » The library The librarian said last

[5:53:30] librarian has said multiple times that

[5:53:31] we she wants to wait. The librarians or

[5:53:34] I mean, sorry. Anyway, the library man I

[5:53:37] mean did you Marcy?

[5:53:39] >> I didn't get the final decision on the

[5:53:41] » I didn't get the final decision on the

[5:53:41] public works. Are we adding 750,000 to

[5:53:44] >> for now? Yes.

[5:53:45] » for now? Yes.

[5:53:45] >> Okay.

[5:53:46] » Okay.

[5:53:46] >> Our our

[5:53:47] » Our our

[5:53:47] >> Okay. Library is the thought was

[5:53:52] » Okay. Library is the thought was

[5:53:52] >> that this larger library almost double

[5:53:55] » that this larger library almost double

[5:53:55] the size of what we have now can be

[5:53:58] built. they will fully utilize every as

[5:54:01] inch of it and offer the citizenry

[5:54:06] much more and also it consolidates their

[5:54:10] programs. They don't have to be walking

[5:54:12] out of the library across the parking

[5:54:14] lots to come into this room. This what

[5:54:17] they use this room for can be contained

[5:54:19] in that one building that one building.

[5:54:23] They can rain or shine they do this. So

[5:54:27] then that frees up the existing library.

[5:54:30] The existing library is a little over

[5:54:32] 4,000 square ft. It's much bigger than

[5:54:35] these offices over here, but one wing of

[5:54:38] it could be dedicated for council

[5:54:41] chambers. That eliminates the swapping

[5:54:43] out of chairs and furniture and

[5:54:45] arrangements in here that happen all the

[5:54:47] time for every meeting we have. You

[5:54:50] know, PNC, this meeting, that meeting,

[5:54:52] that meeting. So that would eliminate

[5:54:54] public works efforts.

[5:54:56] The also a council chamber in that same

[5:54:59] wing could be provided for the count or

[5:55:02] not council chambers but a boardroom for

[5:55:05] executive session meetings could be

[5:55:08] included. The other wing

[5:55:12] could be all city offices. Additional

[5:55:15] offices that is needed. It's needed now.

[5:55:19] It would retain these existing offices,

[5:55:22] but it then it has the capability that

[5:55:26] this existing could be coupled

[5:55:29] structurally with that library to make a

[5:55:32] much larger city hall office area.

[5:55:37] >> What's the proposed location of the

[5:55:38] » What's the proposed location of the

[5:55:38] library? There's no land purchase

[5:55:40] currently.

[5:55:40] >> No, no, ma'am.

[5:55:41] » No, no, ma'am.

[5:55:41] >> So, what what where would the library

[5:55:43] » So, what what where would the library

[5:55:43] possibly be located? the

[5:55:47] me see if I have that.

[5:55:49] >> Mr. Mayor, I I guess I have a problem

[5:55:51] » Mr. Mayor, I I guess I have a problem

[5:55:51] with this because the our I mean I think

[5:55:53] we do need a new library. I'm 100% on

[5:55:54] board with that. But we need to think

[5:55:57] realization. Right now, our librarian,

[5:55:59] our head librarian, Miss Kelly, has said

[5:56:02] last two years,

[5:56:04] we want to wait until at least a year

[5:56:06] that Fort Worth is open down the street.

[5:56:08] See how that impacts us and see what we

[5:56:10] need to do for that. if it really hurts

[5:56:13] us, then we'll think about what we need

[5:56:16] to do. Uh, but she said, "We need to

[5:56:19] wait." She has said that multiple times.

[5:56:21] And then, and I know you want a new

[5:56:23] library. We all do. We do. We know this

[5:56:26] one's We know this one's too small. It

[5:56:28] was built good years ago, but it's too

[5:56:30] small now, but right now, we just we

[5:56:32] need to wait. And she has said we need

[5:56:34] to wait. But I know you're full throttle

[5:56:35] on this.

[5:56:38] >> Where is that?

[5:56:40] » Where is that?

[5:56:40] >> So,

[5:56:41] » So,

[5:56:41] So, you're taking out some houses.

[5:56:45] >> Where's this park?

[5:56:46] » Where's this park?

[5:56:46] >> Yeah.

[5:56:47] » Yeah.

[5:56:47] >> So, is this my property that I own?

[5:56:49] » So, is this my property that I own?

[5:56:49] >> Is that your property?

[5:56:52] » Is that your property?

[5:56:52] >> Is that my property that I own on Gamble

[5:56:54] » Is that my property that I own on Gamble

[5:56:54] Street?

[5:56:55] >> Is that your property?

[5:56:56] » Is that your property?

[5:56:56] >> That's why I'm asking you. It's your

[5:56:57] » That's why I'm asking you. It's your

[5:56:57] document.

[5:56:58] >> Yes.

[5:56:59] » Yes.

[5:56:59] >> Well, I don't know if that is your

[5:57:00] » Well, I don't know if that is your

[5:57:00] property.

[5:57:01] >> The property that's right park.

[5:57:03] » The property that's right park.

[5:57:03] >> The if you got Gamble Park, there's an

[5:57:05] » The if you got Gamble Park, there's an

[5:57:05] empty lot and then there's a small house

[5:57:08] to the west of those are both hers. owns

[5:57:11] the so is that

[5:57:12] >> so that but yes to answer your question

[5:57:15] » so that but yes to answer your question

[5:57:15] that's where that is

[5:57:15] >> property at 105 it's not for sale so I

[5:57:18] » property at 105 it's not for sale so I

[5:57:18] don't that's the first I've seen of a

[5:57:20] library on it but I can tell you that

[5:57:23] for myself my property is not for sale

[5:57:25] and I don't think my mom's is next door

[5:57:27] for sale

[5:57:28] >> but nonetheless um

[5:57:29] » but nonetheless um

[5:57:29] >> nonetheless um not going to put a bl is

[5:57:32] » nonetheless um not going to put a bl is

[5:57:32] that is where that would be

[5:57:34] >> that's not

[5:57:35] » that's not

[5:57:35] >> that's where it's proposed and that was

[5:57:37] » that's where it's proposed and that was

[5:57:37] purely for site location

[5:57:39] >> Mr. for property that's not owned by the

[5:57:41] » Mr. for property that's not owned by the

[5:57:41] city.

[5:57:42] >> Before you do this, you just got to talk

[5:57:43] » Before you do this, you just got to talk

[5:57:43] to the property owners. This is

[5:57:46] >> Yeah, I'm going to kind of recuse myself

[5:57:47] » Yeah, I'm going to kind of recuse myself

[5:57:47] from this conversation because I didn't

[5:57:49] know anything about that at all. So, I'm

[5:57:52] just going to

[5:57:52] >> Mr. Mayor.

[5:57:53] » Mr. Mayor.

[5:57:53] >> Yes.

[5:57:53] » Yes.

[5:57:53] >> Recuse myself. Right after I got on

[5:57:55] » Recuse myself. Right after I got on

[5:57:55] council last year, I [clears throat] saw

[5:57:58] a uh rendering.

[5:58:00] >> I saw a rendering of downtown HLlett

[5:58:06] » I saw a rendering of downtown HLlett

[5:58:06] that had previously been done and it

[5:58:09] included a re redevelopment of all of

[5:58:12] downtown Hlett and new municipal

[5:58:14] buildings and all of that. And you

[5:58:16] killed that project when you became

[5:58:17] mayor is what I was was what I was told.

[5:58:20] It was I think was it part of the

[5:58:22] strategic plan or comprehensive plan?

[5:58:25] >> No, we didn't we didn't do a downtown.

[5:58:27] » No, we didn't we didn't do a downtown.

[5:58:27] >> There was no I I don't I don't think it

[5:58:30] » There was no I I don't I don't think it

[5:58:30] was any particular

[5:58:33] plan.

[5:58:35] >> Well,

[5:58:36] » Well,

[5:58:36] >> was it in an ordinance or something or

[5:58:39] » was it in an ordinance or something or

[5:58:39] an official plan? Just not an official

[5:58:42] never adopted.

[5:58:43] >> I I don't know what you're talking about

[5:58:44] » I I don't know what you're talking about

[5:58:44] then.

[5:58:45] >> Okay. But

[5:58:48] » Okay. But

[5:58:48] as as my fellow council members have

[5:58:50] said, there's a new library going in for

[5:58:54] Fort Worth,

[5:58:54] >> right?

[5:58:55] » right?

[5:58:55] >> Right over there.

[5:58:56] » Right over there.

[5:58:56] >> Right.

[5:58:56] » Right.

[5:58:56] >> And everybody in our library has said

[5:59:00] » And everybody in our library has said

[5:59:00] they want to wait to see what that

[5:59:01] impact is going to be before we spend

[5:59:04] how many millions of dollars do you have

[5:59:06] on the library here?

[5:59:07] >> Seven.

[5:59:07] » Seven.

[5:59:07] >> Eight million.

[5:59:08] » Eight million.

[5:59:08] >> Eight.

[5:59:09] » Eight.

[5:59:09] >> 8 million on a library.

[5:59:11] » 8 million on a library.

[5:59:11] I love the library. I wish it had been

[5:59:14] built bigger than it is now. And I I I

[5:59:16] understand probably when it was built

[5:59:18] there were certain constraints and only

[5:59:19] so much money. I get all that and it

[5:59:22] does need to be bigger if we're going to

[5:59:23] continue to have a library for it to do

[5:59:25] all the things that they would like to

[5:59:27] do. But

[5:59:30] we don't have $8 million to build a

[5:59:32] library that nobody's asking for that we

[5:59:34] don't know the impact of what that other

[5:59:36] library is going to be. So, at the very

[5:59:37] least, our library project is at least

[5:59:40] three to five years out before we would

[5:59:42] actually be building it. So, I don't

[5:59:44] think it's appropriate to be having an

[5:59:46] argument right now.

[5:59:47] >> Part of my job, I see the needs now.

[5:59:50] » Part of my job, I see the needs now.

[5:59:50] >> We do too.

[5:59:51] » We do too.

[5:59:51] >> From my perspective, I we need a bigger

[5:59:54] » From my perspective, I we need a bigger

[5:59:54] library now.

[5:59:55] >> Everybody knows that.

[5:59:56] » Everybody knows that.

[5:59:56] >> And we also need more city office space

[5:59:59] » And we also need more city office space

[5:59:59] now.

[6:00:00] >> We needed that a long time ago.

[6:00:02] » We needed that a long time ago.

[6:00:02] >> Yes. And this is a very economical

[6:00:08] » Yes. And this is a very economical

[6:00:08] approach to acquire boat.

[6:00:10] >> Could a Could a tad search been done

[6:00:12] » Could a Could a tad search been done

[6:00:12] prior to?

[6:00:13] >> Madam,

[6:00:14] » Madam,

[6:00:14] >> could a TAD search have been done prior

[6:00:17] » could a TAD search have been done prior

[6:00:17] to see who even owned that property?

[6:00:20] there I'll say there are many instances

[6:00:26] where in city planning plans are made

[6:00:29] irregardless of the property owner

[6:00:32] >> but mayor if we were going to

[6:00:33] » but mayor if we were going to

[6:00:33] >> if you know that the property can't be

[6:00:35] » if you know that the property can't be

[6:00:35] acquired then okay [clears throat] go

[6:00:37] change your plan

[6:00:38] >> but if we were going to redevelop this

[6:00:39] » but if we were going to redevelop this

[6:00:39] site why did we let them build that

[6:00:42] house right there why didn't we buy

[6:00:43] these two lots that have been for sale

[6:00:45] just in the last two to three years

[6:00:46] >> what

[6:00:47] » what

[6:00:47] >> you would almost own this entire square

[6:00:49] » you would almost own this entire square

[6:00:49] block right Now, it would have been easy

[6:00:51] >> to redevelop this.

[6:00:53] » to redevelop this.

[6:00:53] >> What are you talking about?

[6:00:54] » What are you talking about?

[6:00:54] >> What do you mean? What am I talking

[6:00:55] » What do you mean? What am I talking

[6:00:55] about

[6:00:56] >> about by Why didn't we buy the entire

[6:00:58] » about by Why didn't we buy the entire

[6:00:58] block?

[6:00:59] >> These two lots right here next to the

[6:01:01] » These two lots right here next to the

[6:01:01] parking lot have both been for sale in

[6:01:02] the last 3 to 5 years.

[6:01:04] >> Why didn't the city buy those? That

[6:01:06] » Why didn't the city buy those? That

[6:01:06] house is not that old. Why didn't the

[6:01:08] city buy that? Then you would have the

[6:01:10] land to do any expansion you want.

[6:01:13] >> Hillwood owns the lot next to the

[6:01:15] » Hillwood owns the lot next to the

[6:01:15] parking lot.

[6:01:16] >> It was sold as a residential lot, not

[6:01:17] » It was sold as a residential lot, not

[6:01:17] even

[6:01:18] >> on the end. It was a residential life.

[6:01:20] » on the end. It was a residential life.

[6:01:20] >> Yes. But if the if you if you had a

[6:01:23] » Yes. But if the if you if you had a

[6:01:23] vision

[6:01:25] >> if you had a vision that was put out a

[6:01:27] » if you had a vision that was put out a

[6:01:28] couple years ago, then that would have

[6:01:29] been something that we could have worked

[6:01:30] on step by step by step.

[6:01:32] >> This sir, I didn't come up with a couple

[6:01:34] » This sir, I didn't come up with a couple

[6:01:34] years ago.

[6:01:35] >> I understand. But all of a sudden,

[6:01:37] » I understand. But all of a sudden,

[6:01:37] you've come up with this.

[6:01:38] >> Can we come back?

[6:01:39] » Can we come back?

[6:01:39] >> Is that [clears throat] Is there

[6:01:40] » Is that [clears throat] Is there

[6:01:40] something wrong with that?

[6:01:41] >> That's fine. I just

[6:01:41] » That's fine. I just

[6:01:42] >> Is there something wrong with that?

[6:01:44] » Is there something wrong with that?

[6:01:44] >> What is wrong with that? It's not a

[6:01:46] » What is wrong with that? It's not a

[6:01:46] vision. It [clears throat] is.

[6:01:48] This is just let's distract everybody

[6:01:50] and throw this down because you don't

[6:01:52] want us to build something

[6:01:54] distraction and throwing people off.

[6:01:57] That is a vision I'm looking at. You

[6:02:00] know,

[6:02:00] >> I work on things one thing at a time.

[6:02:01] » I work on things one thing at a time.

[6:02:02] >> Whose vision was it to build the first

[6:02:03] » Whose vision was it to build the first

[6:02:03] library?

[6:02:08] A lot of people work together. I don't

[6:02:09] know what it but it's true.

[6:02:11] >> No, I just you're

[6:02:13] » No, I just you're

[6:02:13] >> all these city offices that we work over

[6:02:15] » all these city offices that we work over

[6:02:15] here now. What? Where did that come

[6:02:17] from?

[6:02:18] >> From you.

[6:02:19] » From you.

[6:02:19] >> It's all about you.

[6:02:20] » It's all about you.

[6:02:20] >> It was part of the vision.

[6:02:22] » It was part of the vision.

[6:02:22] >> Did you build all these buildings?

[6:02:24] » Did you build all these buildings?

[6:02:24] >> I didn't build the building

[6:02:25] » I didn't build the building

[6:02:25] >> and we're getting ready to update our

[6:02:26] » and we're getting ready to update our

[6:02:26] vision. We're we're working on

[6:02:28] >> all I'm saying right now. I still I see

[6:02:31] » all I'm saying right now. I still I see

[6:02:31] something that needs to occur.

[6:02:34] >> I got I got two two body including the

[6:02:36] » I got I got two two body including the

[6:02:36] librarian is telling you not that we

[6:02:39] don't need

[6:02:39] >> the librarian is telling you one thing

[6:02:41] » the librarian is telling you one thing

[6:02:41] but tells me another.

[6:02:43] >> Is that right?

[6:02:44] » Is that right?

[6:02:44] >> Okay. Go ahead, Z. Yes.

[6:02:46] » Okay. Go ahead, Z. Yes.

[6:02:46] >> All right. I got two questions. Um and

[6:02:50] » All right. I got two questions. Um and

[6:02:50] there So I guess one question if I'm

[6:02:53] ever looking to like buy a property or

[6:02:55] anything like that, I look on the

[6:02:57] appraisal Tarant County appraisal

[6:02:59] westbound website.

[6:03:01] That's something I feel like that you

[6:03:03] would have done if you were going to

[6:03:04] look at that lot. Number two, my other

[6:03:08] question is or statement or this is a

[6:03:11] question. when did you have our

[6:03:14] engineering company or who when did you

[6:03:16] have this plan done? Um and I would like

[6:03:19] an answer. I don't want to like oh blah

[6:03:21] blah blah because you somebody spent a

[6:03:23] lot of time on that that was not done in

[6:03:25] 30 minutes. Somebody spent time drawing

[6:03:27] out the parking lot and everything. When

[6:03:30] was that? Who where did that money come

[6:03:32] from that you

[6:03:32] >> That was done in within the last year

[6:03:34] » That was done in within the last year

[6:03:34] and I had our city planner do it.

[6:03:37] >> Morris

[6:03:38] » Morris

[6:03:38] >> how much how much they charge us for it?

[6:03:40] » how much how much they charge us for it?

[6:03:40] Well, Morris is on a it's not by hour.

[6:03:44] He sent the contract.

[6:03:46] >> So you had So you had So you had Morris

[6:03:48] » So you had So you had So you had Morris

[6:03:48] Swanky design that or draw that out, but

[6:03:50] did not tell the city council. Did not

[6:03:53] tell anybody that. You just throw this

[6:03:55] on us on on a budget workshop.

[6:03:58] >> There's no communication.

[6:03:59] » There's no communication.

[6:04:00] >> It's a concept. It's a working plan.

[6:04:02] » It's a concept. It's a working plan.

[6:04:02] >> It doesn't matter. It's the spend.

[6:04:05] » It doesn't matter. It's the spend.

[6:04:05] I was well within my rights and legal

[6:04:08] action to have the city planner take a

[6:04:11] look at this. Take a look at this.

[6:04:13] >> It's called agenda for today.

[6:04:14] » It's called agenda for today.

[6:04:14] >> It's called communication with your

[6:04:16] » It's called communication with your

[6:04:16] city.

[6:04:16] >> This is about a budget. It's I'm trying

[6:04:18] » This is about a budget. It's I'm trying

[6:04:18] to sell get this on the budget.

[6:04:20] >> Okay. And just an example.

[6:04:21] » Okay. And just an example.

[6:04:21] >> We've already said we're not going to

[6:04:22] » We've already said we're not going to

[6:04:22] put it on the budget.

[6:04:23] >> Just because you can do something

[6:04:24] » Just because you can do something

[6:04:24] doesn't mean you should. That that's

[6:04:26] just a rule of life. And it's just an

[6:04:28] example. when he when he went to go work

[6:04:30] on the parks that came before the

[6:04:31] council. I want to look for the future

[6:04:34] offices in city hall. I didn't go talk

[6:04:36] to Mr. Schwanki. I didn't go talk to the

[6:04:37] engineer. I came before council and I

[6:04:39] said, "Hey guys, you want to put in some

[6:04:41] money for this?" And they said, "Just a

[6:04:43] little bit because we're starting on

[6:04:44] this strategic plan." That is what

[6:04:46] working together as a city looks like.

[6:04:48] And that eliminates waste because right

[6:04:51] now you're getting no one's interested

[6:04:54] in a library and on top of it you put it

[6:04:56] on someone's land that isn't even

[6:04:57] available. If you'd just come before

[6:04:59] council and said you had this idea we

[6:05:01] could have predisussed our concerns and

[6:05:04] that's just what we're kind of I what I

[6:05:06] at least am a council member am asking

[6:05:09] you to start coming before council and

[6:05:11] saying your ideas and hearing out our

[6:05:13] opinions and concerns on it before you

[6:05:14] just go move forward.

[6:05:16] >> It's just called communication and it's

[6:05:18] » It's just called communication and it's

[6:05:18] We all today,

[6:05:20] >> it's just communication. And I know you

[6:05:22] » it's just communication. And I know you

[6:05:22] don't like us, but it's communication.

[6:05:24] >> No, I like communication.

[6:05:26] » No, I like communication.

[6:05:26] >> No, us, not us.

[6:05:27] » No, us, not us.

[6:05:27] >> No, I you know, it's like I invited

[6:05:30] » No, I you know, it's like I invited

[6:05:30] every one of you to meet with me

[6:05:32] developing this budget over three weeks

[6:05:34] ago. No one took wanted to meet

[6:05:38] >> because that's not normal to meet

[6:05:39] » because that's not normal to meet

[6:05:39] individually.

[6:05:40] >> It is. It's not.

[6:05:41] » It is. It's not.

[6:05:41] >> It is. Madam, you're two months old in

[6:05:43] » It is. Madam, you're two months old in

[6:05:44] this whole process. How do you

[6:05:45] >> I've never once in eight years met with

[6:05:47] » I've never once in eight years met with

[6:05:47] Bob Golden.

[6:05:48] >> But you were never invited. But I there

[6:05:51] » But you were never invited. But I there

[6:05:51] is nothing wrong. There's nothing

[6:05:52] illegal about it.

[6:05:54] >> And what was the responsible

[6:05:56] » And what was the responsible

[6:05:56] >> practices being transparent?

[6:05:58] » practices being transparent?

[6:05:58] >> It was not being transparent.

[6:05:59] » It was not being transparent.

[6:05:59] >> Correct. That's what my email said.

[6:06:01] » Correct. That's what my email said.

[6:06:01] >> Maybe this meeting that the group of you

[6:06:04] » Maybe this meeting that the group of you

[6:06:04] had three weeks ago or whenever it was

[6:06:06] that I walked in on

[6:06:08] >> that's not transparent.

[6:06:09] » that's not transparent.

[6:06:09] >> That you joined you were part of as

[6:06:10] » That you joined you were part of as

[6:06:10] well. There were respectfully there were

[6:06:12] two council members and

[6:06:13] >> say anything about it.

[6:06:14] » say anything about it.

[6:06:14] >> There were two council members and we

[6:06:16] » There were two council members and we

[6:06:16] reserved the boardroom so it was quite

[6:06:18] transparent.

[6:06:18] >> I was never given the courtesy of the

[6:06:20] » I was never given the courtesy of the

[6:06:20] budget but you it's not required.

[6:06:22] >> It was there was they were talking about

[6:06:23] » It was there was they were talking about

[6:06:23] these projects that were but it's about

[6:06:26] the budget.

[6:06:27] >> No projects were being considered for

[6:06:30] » No projects were being considered for

[6:06:30] you when we first saw the 10ear plan for

[6:06:33] the first time.

[6:06:33] >> I see the adversity to the library or

[6:06:36] » I see the adversity to the library or

[6:06:36] anything else. So I won't may I probably

[6:06:39] s even say anything about the need for

[6:06:43] the community center and pavilion as to

[6:06:46] what that opens up. You know one of the

[6:06:50] things that I think is being ignored is

[6:06:55] both the social and cultural needs of

[6:06:58] asset over 1 million 1.1 million towards

[6:07:01] a park. the parks is not uh you know

[6:07:05] that's that's a recreational type thing.

[6:07:08] I'm talking about somewhere for uh the

[6:07:13] cultural and social interaction and the

[6:07:19] a community center

[6:07:23] better than this.

[6:07:24] >> I don't think anyone say a pavilion

[6:07:27] » I don't think anyone say a pavilion

[6:07:27] serves that very purpose. then you're

[6:07:29] actually growing community.

[6:07:31] >> I I agree with you on the community

[6:07:33] » I I agree with you on the community

[6:07:33] center and I don't think anybody is

[6:07:34] saying no to a community center. We're

[6:07:36] saying and they even said this to me on

[6:07:38] the town hall. It's we need to update

[6:07:40] our strategic plan

[6:07:43] >> before we start budgeting for these

[6:07:45] » before we start budgeting for these

[6:07:45] larger projects and focus on the road.

[6:07:47] >> We have to update your strategic plan. I

[6:07:49] » We have to update your strategic plan. I

[6:07:49] haven't heard that conversation.

[6:07:50] >> We talked about it in a city council

[6:07:51] » We talked about it in a city council

[6:07:52] meeting. I heard that you want to

[6:07:55] >> and

[6:07:55] » and

[6:07:55] >> but I haven't [laughter] heard any

[6:07:57] » but I haven't [laughter] heard any

[6:07:57] somebody come out and say the city

[6:08:00] citizens want to

[6:08:01] >> and the number one item anyway is

[6:08:03] » and the number one item anyway is

[6:08:03] >> and mayor Hollyy and the number one item

[6:08:05] » and mayor Hollyy and the number one item

[6:08:06] is a is a rec center. So that is a that

[6:08:07] is a need from the citizens. I don't

[6:08:09] know about community center but

[6:08:10] >> a rec center rec center is number one

[6:08:12] » a rec center rec center is number one

[6:08:12] >> and I even offered that we could build a

[6:08:14] » and I even offered that we could build a

[6:08:14] rec center with a community meeting

[6:08:15] space in it

[6:08:17] >> on the 76 acres. Well, you know, this

[6:08:20] » on the 76 acres. Well, you know, this

[6:08:20] community center and pavilion total is

[6:08:24] >> $3 million or less.

[6:08:26] » $3 million or less.

[6:08:26] >> You mean the one we've already the

[6:08:29] » You mean the one we've already the

[6:08:29] pricing of it

[6:08:30] >> and that is

[6:08:33] » and that is

[6:08:33] >> You mean the one that you try to get the

[6:08:34] » You mean the one that you try to get the

[6:08:34] federal government to pay for with your

[6:08:36] fraudulent application?

[6:08:37] >> Okay. Can Can we get back on task? We're

[6:08:40] » Okay. Can Can we get back on task? We're

[6:08:40] saying no to the library.

[6:08:42] >> You are.

[6:08:43] » You are.

[6:08:43] >> I read the application. You put on here

[6:08:45] » I read the application. You put on here

[6:08:45] that we're a food desert and there were

[6:08:46] economically depressed. I was advised to

[6:08:49] put that on there at that time. You know

[6:08:51] what a the definition of food does?

[6:08:53] >> Actually, I do. Did you know I used to

[6:08:55] » Actually, I do. Did you know I used to

[6:08:55] do a whole history?

[6:08:56] >> One, there was two parts to it. One was

[6:08:59] » One, there was two parts to it. One was

[6:08:59] distance to a grocery store.

[6:09:01] >> Uhhuh.

[6:09:01] » Uhhuh.

[6:09:01] >> And we were greater than a mile.

[6:09:03] » And we were greater than a mile.

[6:09:03] >> But everybody here has greater

[6:09:06] » But everybody here has greater

[6:09:06] >> access by car.

[6:09:08] » access by car.

[6:09:08] >> It was according to definition.

[6:09:10] » It was according to definition.

[6:09:10] >> The definition is a food desert where

[6:09:12] » The definition is a food desert where

[6:09:12] people don't have access, can't get

[6:09:14] there. Not just a grocery store. There's

[6:09:17] a federal definition of that.

[6:09:18] >> Uhhuh. I know very well the federal

[6:09:20] » Uhhuh. I know very well the federal

[6:09:20] definition of order in my previous loss.

[6:09:22] >> Thank you very much.

[6:09:23] » Thank you very much.

[6:09:23] >> I'm asking for a point of order. I'm

[6:09:25] » I'm asking for a point of order. I'm

[6:09:25] asking for a point of order, please.

[6:09:27] >> Point of order.

[6:09:28] » Point of order.

[6:09:28] >> Yes. Can we just get back to the agenda?

[6:09:31] » Yes. Can we just get back to the agenda?

[6:09:31] >> Just get back to the budget. Can we get

[6:09:33] » Just get back to the budget. Can we get

[6:09:33] >> So, um the community center and it's a

[6:09:39] » So, um the community center and it's a

[6:09:39] social and cultural gathering place. It

[6:09:41] can be done very inexpensively and

[6:09:44] you're bringing together. We have, you

[6:09:46] know, people move into House of Texas

[6:09:48] not just from other cities but from

[6:09:52] other states and from other countries.

[6:09:54] We got a diversity of culture here in

[6:09:58] Hassllet

[6:09:59] >> and we do very little if anything to try

[6:10:04] » and we do very little if anything to try

[6:10:04] to bring these people together. Now I we

[6:10:08] might individually meet and know these

[6:10:10] people. I do. And but to be able to

[6:10:13] provide a a

[6:10:16] a a venue where they can come together

[6:10:19] and interact

[6:10:21] uh not being a u fourth of July thing

[6:10:26] but just regularly in a facility that

[6:10:29] the people can use. This is for the

[6:10:31] people.

[6:10:33] I would strongly urge you to consider

[6:10:36] this. $3 million for that kind of

[6:10:38] facility

[6:10:41] is very inexpensive and would reap great

[6:10:44] rewards.

[6:10:46] >> I I I 100% agree thousand% we need

[6:10:49] » I I I 100% agree thousand% we need

[6:10:49] something bigger than this and with all

[6:10:51] the stuff that goes on in here but right

[6:10:53] now what is more important community

[6:10:55] center or updating our infrastructure

[6:10:56] and our roads? Amen. I would take that

[6:10:59] off. I think I think if you asked people

[6:11:01] in the city if you put a poll on on our

[6:11:04] website or anywhere else you said what's

[6:11:06] more important right now community

[6:11:07] center or fixing infrastructure on our

[6:11:09] roads that would be overwhelming.

[6:11:11] >> I'm not asking to trade anything off of

[6:11:13] » I'm not asking to trade anything off of

[6:11:13] this.

[6:11:14] >> Everybody on here thinks that we need a

[6:11:16] » Everybody on here thinks that we need a

[6:11:16] community center. I'm pretty sure

[6:11:17] >> or rec center.

[6:11:18] » or rec center.

[6:11:18] >> A rec center.

[6:11:19] » A rec center.

[6:11:19] >> But we we we need to work on our roads.

[6:11:22] » But we we we need to work on our roads.

[6:11:22] Like right now we want to fully

[6:11:24] >> Mr. Gilbert. I'm not proposing to

[6:11:27] » Mr. Gilbert. I'm not proposing to

[6:11:27] eliminate any infrastructure projects.

[6:11:29] those projects weren't on the bud in the

[6:11:32] budget. So now we're adding those in and

[6:11:34] that's going to be a significant cost

[6:11:36] that wasn't budgeted.

[6:11:37] >> I'd rather take those road projects.

[6:11:39] » I'd rather take those road projects.

[6:11:39] >> It was budgeted.

[6:11:41] » It was budgeted.

[6:11:41] >> You didn't put $1.

[6:11:42] » You didn't put $1.

[6:11:42] >> No, there was not.

[6:11:43] » No, there was not.

[6:11:43] >> You didn't put $1 towards road

[6:11:44] » You didn't put $1 towards road

[6:11:44] improvements

[6:11:46] >> in your budget. We went with uh the

[6:11:49] » in your budget. We went with uh the

[6:11:49] three-year plan, four-year plan that Mr.

[6:11:51] Swanky or

[6:11:52] >> No, we didn't because several items were

[6:11:54] » No, we didn't because several items were

[6:11:54] missing.

[6:11:54] >> There's not $1. There's some repair in

[6:11:56] » There's not $1. There's some repair in

[6:11:56] here, but there's not $1 for expanding

[6:11:58] anything in in this budget. I'd rather

[6:12:00] take that 3 million right now that

[6:12:01] you're I love a community ser. I'd

[6:12:03] rather take that 3 million go almost

[6:12:05] fully fund the um uh John Day road or

[6:12:10] put it towards our public worship

[6:12:11] building. I'd rather take that money and

[6:12:12] put it towards that something we really

[6:12:13] need right now versus the community

[6:12:15] center. Let's do the community center in

[6:12:16] two years next year. I mean like let's

[6:12:17] put it

[6:12:18] >> another question I had on the on the

[6:12:20] » another question I had on the on the

[6:12:20] library as well is where's the location

[6:12:21] for this proposed um

[6:12:23] >> community center

[6:12:23] » community center

[6:12:24] >> facility? It might be on her property

[6:12:25] » facility? It might be on her property

[6:12:25] again.

[6:12:25] >> It' be right off of schoolhouse road.

[6:12:27] » It' be right off of schoolhouse road.

[6:12:27] It's on the 76 acres.

[6:12:29] >> Oh, the same.

[6:12:29] » Oh, the same.

[6:12:30] >> The 76 acres.

[6:12:30] » The 76 acres.

[6:12:30] >> This was originally his community

[6:12:31] » This was originally his community

[6:12:32] garden.

[6:12:32] >> Okay.

[6:12:32] » Okay.

[6:12:32] >> I think we all just concurred that we're

[6:12:34] » I think we all just concurred that we're

[6:12:34] going to take this next year to do the

[6:12:35] strategic plan. Tanya already brought it

[6:12:37] forward. We are moving forward on that.

[6:12:40] >> Get a vision for the city as a whole

[6:12:43] » Get a vision for the city as a whole

[6:12:43] because none of us speaks for the entire

[6:12:45] city. We all together speak for the city

[6:12:47] and see where that aligns at the end of

[6:12:50] the year and consider these projects

[6:12:52] next year.

[6:12:53] >> Yeah, we all agree it's something we

[6:12:55] » Yeah, we all agree it's something we

[6:12:55] need. We're not against that. We we

[6:12:56] agree with you on that, but right now

[6:12:58] there's other things we need to to do.

[6:13:01] >> Well, I appreciate y'all taking the time

[6:13:03] » Well, I appreciate y'all taking the time

[6:13:03] and letting me tell you express to why I

[6:13:07] think we need it.

[6:13:09] I appreciate that. Thank you very much

[6:13:12] all of you.

[6:13:13] >> No problem.

[6:13:14] » No problem.

[6:13:14] >> Can we

[6:13:15] » Can we

[6:13:15] >> All right. Given that please

[6:13:19] » All right. Given that please

[6:13:19] >> let's uh the next aspects of our agenda

[6:13:24] » let's uh the next aspects of our agenda

[6:13:24] tax rate.

[6:13:31] Oh, updated updated paper coming.

[6:13:33] >> And if we could I've been meaning to do

[6:13:36] » And if we could I've been meaning to do

[6:13:36] this for the last hour. Seriously, is

[6:13:38] take a five minute break, please.

[6:13:42] So, I recess the uh this open session at

[6:13:46] 3:02 p.m.

[6:13:50] >> Marcy. [clears throat]

[6:13:51] » Marcy. [clears throat]

[6:13:51] >> Marcy,

[6:13:53] » Marcy,

[6:13:53] >> how long do you think this will take?

[6:13:54] » how long do you think this will take?

[6:13:54] All right.

[6:21:58] the 750. Yeah. Okay. And the 20 there

[6:22:02] and the Yeah. 660 70 there. Okay. Okay.

[6:22:06] Yeah. Okay. Thank

[6:22:47] Are we off break yet?

[6:23:34] I remember James talking about the John

[6:23:36] Deere.

[6:23:39] >> It was on another

[6:23:46] » Tanya said that we didn't we talked

[6:23:48] about your John Deere equipment and

[6:23:50] stuff that you needed, but didn't we

[6:23:51] approve that last week?

[6:23:53] >> Uh there wasn't any comment on it. There

[6:23:54] » Uh there wasn't any comment on it. There

[6:23:54] was two capital requests.

[6:23:56] >> It's already in the budget.

[6:23:57] » It's already in the budget.

[6:23:57] >> Okay.

[6:24:06] But I don't think we talked about

[6:24:10] >> open session at 3:13 p.m.

[6:24:14] » open session at 3:13 p.m.

[6:24:14] I need to add

[6:24:22] one last item. I need to now the capital

[6:24:26] request that we have

[6:24:29] is already included in the budget. That

[6:24:32] was just very short period of time. Mr.

[6:24:34] Tucker is working on a 10year plan for

[6:24:37] capital.

[6:24:39] But what I do have is a fire department

[6:24:44] request that stands over the 10 years.

[6:24:47] This being this first column here being

[6:24:49] 2026

[6:24:52] U

[6:24:54] and

[6:24:56] for the 10 years that would be out to

[6:25:01] 3637

[6:25:03] is $5.8 million.

[6:25:07] >> Can you zoom out so we can see the

[6:25:09] » Can you zoom out so we can see the

[6:25:09] titles? They're kind of the apparatus.

[6:25:11] >> What do you want to see? If you zoom out

[6:25:13] » What do you want to see? If you zoom out

[6:25:13] one right here, we should be able to see

[6:25:15] the titles over on the left.

[6:25:18] >> Yes.

[6:25:19] » Yes.

[6:25:19] >> Scroll to the left.

[6:25:22] » Scroll to the left.

[6:25:22] >> Column A is a fully. There you go. Thank

[6:25:24] » Column A is a fully. There you go. Thank

[6:25:24] you.

[6:25:25] >> So,

[6:25:27] » So,

[6:25:27] uh, with regard to fire and medical

[6:25:29] equipment, uh, rescue, uh, equipment,

[6:25:34] uh, here's the projections out the

[6:25:37] highlighted here. I just that's 10

[6:25:39] years. He's actually got it out.

[6:25:42] But for this 10 years here,

[6:25:46] uh these are uh projected out

[6:25:50] those are things that need to be

[6:25:52] replaced. These are scheduled

[6:25:54] replacements that that have to occur and

[6:25:58] he is uh has taken due diligence to make

[6:26:02] things last as long as he can.

[6:26:06] Uh fire uh

[6:26:16] Yes. 10,500.

[6:26:18] >> Yeah. And uh radio that's in our budget.

[6:26:21] » Yeah. And uh radio that's in our budget.

[6:26:21] >> That's that that's what we hadn't talked

[6:26:23] » That's that that's what we hadn't talked

[6:26:23] about. The 41,000. I have no problems

[6:26:25] with those.

[6:26:26] >> Dang it.

[6:26:28] » Dang it.

[6:26:28] >> That's a rollover from the current year.

[6:26:32] » That's a rollover from the current year.

[6:26:32] >> Yes.

[6:27:28] Can I

[6:27:30] >> the

[6:27:33] Mr. Mayor? You're not uh your light's

[6:27:35] not green. Nobody can hear you.

[6:27:37] >> There you are.

[6:27:39] » There you are.

[6:27:40] Anyway, uh to uh for recording, we just

[6:27:42] covered the uh fire department 10-year

[6:27:46] outlook on their replacement of planned

[6:27:48] replacement cost uh for the 10 years is

[6:27:52] $5.8 million.

[6:27:54] Uh council, we'll get you a copy of this

[6:27:57] information. Yes.

[6:28:00] Um I think we mentioned something last

[6:28:03] week about that the fire fire engines

[6:28:06] that we need to replace them every like

[6:28:07] 10 years. Is that is that correct? And I

[6:28:10] think we mentioned last week that

[6:28:11] they're like at their 10 year mark. Is

[6:28:14] that correct or is that

[6:28:16] >> So a engine will last us about 15 years.

[6:28:20] » So a engine will last us about 15 years.

[6:28:20] We're we're slower than most busier

[6:28:23] departments. So we're going to last

[6:28:25] longer than like city of Fort Worth is

[6:28:27] going to last. So I believe in this one

[6:28:28] I projected a 12-year replacement

[6:28:31] >> on the engine and I'm at a 15

[6:28:34] » on the engine and I'm at a 15

[6:28:34] >> year replacement on the ladder truck.

[6:28:36] » year replacement on the ladder truck.

[6:28:36] And so, and I'm trying to estimate

[6:28:38] inflation in these numbers also already

[6:28:41] just to be prepared. I update this

[6:28:44] pretty regularly as I'm looking at wear

[6:28:46] and tear on our apparatus and also as I

[6:28:49] get numbers from neighboring departments

[6:28:51] that are ordering apparatus right now.

[6:28:54] >> Will we ever need three fire engines or

[6:28:55] » Will we ever need three fire engines or

[6:28:55] do you think we'll kind of the way we're

[6:28:57] the way we're looking with two? Do you

[6:28:59] think we're good with a with a regular

[6:29:01] one and a lighter one or do you think

[6:29:02] we'll ever need like two small and one

[6:29:04] big? the uh

[6:29:08] that's where I'll be trying to we we'll

[6:29:10] be talking about that next year when I

[6:29:12] ask about this conversion to a type

[6:29:14] three. It's a small pumping apparatus.

[6:29:17] Um, part of that is it helped preserve

[6:29:20] the life of our larger apparatus and

[6:29:23] other part is if we ever remove

[6:29:26] ourselves from the ESD or if the ESD

[6:29:29] decides to take their current tanker

[6:29:31] back, which is the third large apparatus

[6:29:33] we have in our we would need a another

[6:29:36] vehicle. So, uh, so it's it's planned

[6:29:39] there. Uh, things can move and like I

[6:29:41] said, it gets changed regularly based

[6:29:43] off the needs.

[6:29:44] >> Thanks for clarifying. Yes, sir.

[6:29:48] » Thanks for clarifying. Yes, sir.

[6:29:48] Well, that's the last capital item I

[6:29:51] wanted to make you aware of.

[6:29:54] >> Did we discuss the public works John

[6:29:57] » Did we discuss the public works John

[6:29:57] Deere tractor and the Chevy tracks?

[6:30:00] >> I know we did because it was a third

[6:30:01] » I know we did because it was a third

[6:30:01] over a third of a third or something

[6:30:03] like that.

[6:30:03] >> We did and that was last week.

[6:30:06] » We did and that was last week.

[6:30:06] >> Uh

[6:30:07] » Uh

[6:30:07] >> the two pieces of equipment, the John

[6:30:10] » the two pieces of equipment, the John

[6:30:10] Deere and what was the other piece?

[6:30:13] >> Chevy tracks. So there was well there

[6:30:15] » Chevy tracks. So there was well there

[6:30:15] was one vehicle request which is for our

[6:30:17] >> No, I'm talking there was two of them

[6:30:20] » No, I'm talking there was two of them

[6:30:20] that there was two pieces of equipment

[6:30:22] the uh lease payment option.

[6:30:24] >> Yeah. So there was a backhoe and a large

[6:30:27] » Yeah. So there was a backhoe and a large

[6:30:27] uh enclosed tractor. It's to replace two

[6:30:30] >> are in the budget presently and that is

[6:30:34] » are in the budget presently and that is

[6:30:34] reflected by using the lease purchase

[6:30:36] program.

[6:30:38] >> Perfect. Thank you.

[6:30:40] » Perfect. Thank you.

[6:30:40] the uh janitorial vehicle that uh

[6:30:45] uh Mr. Tucker is speaking of, that's in

[6:30:49] the budget and that's a

[6:30:52] full purchase price,

[6:30:54] >> correct?

[6:30:55] » correct?

[6:30:55] >> I think around $20,000 or something of

[6:30:58] » I think around $20,000 or something of

[6:30:58] that nature.

[6:31:01] >> And that covered all his request.

[6:31:04] » And that covered all his request.

[6:31:04] >> Uh there was also a dump trailer in

[6:31:06] » Uh there was also a dump trailer in

[6:31:06] there as well.

[6:31:06] >> But that's in the budget as well.

[6:31:08] » But that's in the budget as well.

[6:31:08] >> Everything was in the budget. Yeah.

[6:31:10] » Everything was in the budget. Yeah.

[6:31:10] Um, so all of the I'm I think the point

[6:31:14] is all the public works capital

[6:31:16] equipment request are presently in the

[6:31:18] budget.

[6:31:21] >> So, mayor, before we go on to tax rate,

[6:31:23] » So, mayor, before we go on to tax rate,

[6:31:23] there's two things I wanted to go back

[6:31:24] to, which is the water impact fee and

[6:31:26] the sewer impact fee. Yes,

[6:31:27] >> they did pull that up. Um, the water was

[6:31:30] » they did pull that up. Um, the water was

[6:31:30] 2,200 and change and you're projecting

[6:31:32] 80 households. So, that would mean that

[6:31:34] this number

[6:31:35] >> What page are you on?

[6:31:36] » What page are you on?

[6:31:36] >> I'm so sorry. 223.

[6:31:38] » I'm so sorry. 223.

[6:31:38] >> Thank you.

[6:31:39] » Thank you.

[6:31:39] Um, that does mean that this should be

[6:31:41] more about half of last year's, not a

[6:31:43] fourth, actually a little below a

[6:31:45] fourth. It would be more about the

[6:31:47] 245ish

[6:31:49] range.

[6:31:50] >> I'll confirm that calculation

[6:31:53] » I'll confirm that calculation

[6:31:53] Monday

[6:31:55] and uh that correction can still be

[6:31:58] made.

[6:31:58] >> Okay. And same, you'll look into the

[6:31:59] » Okay. And same, you'll look into the

[6:31:59] sewer impact and then

[6:32:01] >> both both impact these. And then going

[6:32:03] » both both impact these. And then going

[6:32:03] back and maybe we look at this after we

[6:32:05] speak taxes, but I I really do want us

[6:32:07] to circle back at some point to page

[6:32:09] 193, the 2022 combo tax.

[6:32:14] Um, the one that we're paying more

[6:32:16] interest than we have principal because

[6:32:19] if we paid that off this next year, if

[6:32:22] that's an option, we would literally

[6:32:24] make we'd break even the following year.

[6:32:27] like it would be a significant a very

[6:32:29] quick turnaround to paying that off if

[6:32:31] it's an option to do. So I've just

[6:32:33] >> Did you say pay 223

[6:32:35] » Did you say pay 223

[6:32:35] >> 193

[6:32:36] » 193

[6:32:36] >> 193

[6:32:38] » 193

[6:32:38] >> we have an interest payment of 189,000

[6:32:41] » we have an interest payment of 189,000

[6:32:41] and a principal payment or of 165. What

[6:32:45] is the total on that

[6:32:48] on that item?

[6:32:54] I guess I just realized that's not the

[6:32:56] total amount.

[6:32:58] >> 354, I'm sorry, 860.

[6:33:01] » 354, I'm sorry, 860.

[6:33:01] >> So, I mean, still that's

[6:33:05] » So, I mean, still that's

[6:33:05] so we're supposed to pay this off in two

[6:33:06] years then.

[6:33:09] >> No, no, no.

[6:33:12] » No, no, no.

[6:33:12] >> Okay. Sorry.

[6:33:17] » Oh, because we're paying that much

[6:33:18] interest. Wow.

[6:33:22] So the total due or owed 354 and change

[6:33:29] which we pay that amount in one year

[6:33:32] anyways.

[6:33:34] So we could literally just pay it off

[6:33:35] instead of paying interest. I mean can

[6:33:37] we pay it off?

[6:33:39] >> Uh no

[6:33:41] » Uh no

[6:33:41] pay

[6:33:45] » oh that's

[6:33:47] a million bond issue. So you

[6:33:51] Okay, I see it now. I see it.

[6:34:01] » I thought you were saying we owed 354.

[6:34:03] >> Yeah. On on page 207. So, it's about 15

[6:34:08] » Yeah. On on page 207. So, it's about 15

[6:34:08] million you still owe.

[6:34:10] >> Okay.

[6:34:10] » Okay.

[6:34:10] >> And I don't I don't believe there's a

[6:34:12] » And I don't I don't believe there's a

[6:34:12] call provision quite this soon.

[6:34:14] >> No, you're good. We don't have that type

[6:34:15] » No, you're good. We don't have that type

[6:34:15] of money anyways. I was [laughter] it

[6:34:18] was just now it makes sense why we're

[6:34:20] paying so much in interest.

[6:34:21] >> Yes.

[6:34:21] » Yes.

[6:34:21] >> Cuz it's a significant loan.

[6:34:23] » Cuz it's a significant loan.

[6:34:23] >> Yeah.

[6:34:25] » Yeah.

[6:34:25] >> Does that answer your question on the

[6:34:26] » Does that answer your question on the

[6:34:26] bonds?

[6:34:27] >> It does. Was this the bond pulled for

[6:34:30] » It does. Was this the bond pulled for

[6:34:30] that we were speaking about earlier?

[6:34:31] >> Yeah.

[6:34:32] » Yeah.

[6:34:32] >> This is the bond part of part of the

[6:34:35] » This is the bond part of part of the

[6:34:35] expenditures on the projects are fund 26

[6:34:38] and fund 29.

[6:34:41] » Sorry I am wring that down.

[6:34:45] Can you actually by chance mark that on

[6:34:48] here when you do the final run through

[6:34:49] of here for the bonds? Can you mark the

[6:34:52] funds that the money is in? So like for

[6:34:55] this item on page 207, you said fund 26,

[6:34:58] fund 29. Could you

[6:35:00] >> Yes.

[6:35:01] » Yes.

[6:35:01] >> In 26 she said.

[6:35:04] » In 26 she said.

[6:35:04] >> Yes. the one on um if if you'll look on

[6:35:09] » Yes. the one on um if if you'll look on

[6:35:09] page let's see

[6:35:12] look at the one on page 199

[6:35:15] up at the top it shows tax supported

[6:35:18] 2809%.

[6:35:20] >> Mhm.

[6:35:21] » Mhm.

[6:35:21] >> That's the general fund or the the tax

[6:35:24] » That's the general fund or the the tax

[6:35:24] supported piece.

[6:35:25] >> Okay.

[6:35:26] » Okay.

[6:35:26] >> And if you look at 20 page 207 it shows

[6:35:29] » And if you look at 20 page 207 it shows

[6:35:29] 71.91.

[6:35:31] That's the water sewer piece. Now, for

[6:35:34] the purpose of the bond issue, that's

[6:35:36] one bond issue.

[6:35:38] >> But since it's being funded separately,

[6:35:41] » But since it's being funded separately,

[6:35:41] we don't put the whole burden on the

[6:35:43] tax. If we put 17 million burden on the

[6:35:46] tax, it would be

[6:35:48] pretty high debt service rate.

[6:35:50] >> No. Understood. Can we just add a little

[6:35:51] » No. Understood. Can we just add a little

[6:35:51] note here so that people that don't

[6:35:53] attend these meetings can understand a

[6:35:55] little bit more?

[6:35:55] >> Yes. The one on page 207 would be fund

[6:35:58] » Yes. The one on page 207 would be fund

[6:35:58] 29

[6:36:00] and the one on page 199 is um fund 26.

[6:36:05] And when I say that that's the projects

[6:36:08] that were

[6:36:08] >> correct.

[6:36:09] » correct.

[6:36:09] >> Yeah. Approved for those.

[6:36:11] » Yeah. Approved for those.

[6:36:11] >> Maybe note projects um or bond funds

[6:36:15] » Maybe note projects um or bond funds

[6:36:15] projects under fun 29.

[6:36:17] >> Yes, I can put that. Let me take you

[6:36:19] » Yes, I can put that. Let me take you

[6:36:19] through uh um a little history here on

[6:36:24] this uh on the screen. I have um the

[6:36:30] bond um the 2016

[6:36:35] 2020 2016 bonds what that was used for.

[6:36:39] It did refund uh earlier certificates of

[6:36:42] obligation and

[6:36:44] um

[6:36:46] it was

[6:36:52] for water and wastewater projects.

[6:36:58] The 20

[6:37:01] 2015 series bonds were issued

[6:37:06] for water and sewer pro improvements

[6:37:11] and ADC's pay portion of that.

[6:37:15] the 20 2016

[6:37:18] series bonds here. The maturity date

[6:37:21] being 2031 was very specifically for the

[6:37:24] ladder truck.

[6:37:29] The 2017 series bonds

[6:37:33] was for the fire engine.

[6:37:38] Uh that wasn't the ladder truck. That

[6:37:40] was just the larger fire engine. Right.

[6:37:43] >> Correct.

[6:37:45] » Correct.

[6:37:45] What what number truck do you call that?

[6:37:49] >> So it's our whole station is station

[6:37:52] » So it's our whole station is station

[6:37:52] 128. So it's truck 128 and engine 128.

[6:37:56] It's our two main out apparatus.

[6:37:59] >> Okay.

[6:38:00] » Okay.

[6:38:00] >> So they are fairly new in overall.

[6:38:04] » So they are fairly new in overall.

[6:38:04] uh the 20 2022

[6:38:07] series bonds that was for streets

[6:38:11] and that's the one the $17 million bond

[6:38:15] we've spoke of uh for streets water

[6:38:19] wastewater the fire administration

[6:38:22] expansion that we're working on now and

[6:38:25] also uh Keller Hasslet Road it ends up

[6:38:29] that uh we were net positive on that

[6:38:31] project so we spent no bond money on

[6:38:34] that project.

[6:38:38] Uh

[6:38:40] the 2020 series bonds, type A and type B

[6:38:46] persist participated in and I think that

[6:38:50] was a nominal $3 million a piece. A

[6:38:55] total of $6 million cash put towards

[6:38:58] that project. Uh that's what those that

[6:39:02] uh 2020 series was about. But that's

[6:39:05] just the what these bonds that you're

[6:39:07] looking at what they were used for.

[6:39:11] [snorts]

[6:39:19] » Okay.

[6:39:21] Marcy.

[6:39:22] >> Yes, sir.

[6:39:24] » Yes, sir.

[6:39:24] Right now. Okay. Uh Marcy has put in

[6:39:28] front of you, I believe, on everybody's

[6:39:30] chair.

[6:39:31] >> Yes.

[6:39:31] » Yes.

[6:39:32] >> Here is a a summary of all the changes

[6:39:35] » Here is a a summary of all the changes

[6:39:35] that made thus far in our budget.

[6:39:40] And um Margie, you can correct me if I'm

[6:39:44] wrong. Our budget for this 20 26 27

[6:39:53] meaning all our expenditures

[6:39:56] is $18,192,778.

[6:40:04] Our revenues

[6:40:07] >> is looking at the general fund.

[6:40:09] » is looking at the general fund.

[6:40:09] >> He's he's Yes, he's on the general fund.

[6:40:12] » He's he's Yes, he's on the general fund.

[6:40:12] He's adding operating expenditures,

[6:40:15] capital outlay, transfers out, and the

[6:40:19] contingency fund

[6:40:22] to get that

[6:40:22] >> all

[6:40:24] » all

[6:40:24] >> to get what number? Sorry.

[6:40:27] » to get what number? Sorry.

[6:40:27] >> 18 million.

[6:40:28] » 18 million.

[6:40:28] >> To get what number, sir?

[6:40:30] » To get what number, sir?

[6:40:30] >> 18,192,778.

[6:40:36] Is that what you got, Marcy?

[6:40:39] >> I actually didn't get around to adding

[6:40:40] » I actually didn't get around to adding

[6:40:40] it up. Our

[6:40:45] revenues

[6:40:47] that is the sum of our at the very top

[6:40:50] of the page our operating revenues and

[6:40:53] our transfers in

[6:40:57] that is a total of 11 million222,356.

[6:41:08] That's a difference of $6,970,422.

[6:41:17] Difference being

[6:41:19] that's what has to be made up

[6:41:23] and your

[6:41:26] only partic your only source there is

[6:41:29] property tax.

[6:41:32] That's not going to happen.

[6:41:34] So this is where Okay. What do we cut?

[6:41:42] » Pardon?

[6:41:44] >> I said which is again why we need more

[6:41:45] » I said which is again why we need more

[6:41:45] sales tax.

[6:41:47] >> Well, it's there's a big list on here.

[6:41:51] » Well, it's there's a big list on here.

[6:41:51] There's a very big list of projects on

[6:41:54] here. So this is uh this is the

[6:41:58] difficult part.

[6:42:01] Living within our means.

[6:42:03] >> [snorts]

[6:42:09] » Now, uh, I think now would be a good

[6:42:12] time to let's introduce the, uh,

[6:42:19] >> rates,

[6:42:20] » rates,

[6:42:20] >> certified tax roles, the rates.

[6:42:24] » certified tax roles, the rates.

[6:42:24] Uh, one thing you'll notice in here is

[6:42:27] the

[6:42:29] um,

[6:42:35] our tax rates have have not dropped.

[6:42:38] typically in you know in the past years

[6:42:42] is that uh for

[6:42:46] to gain the same revenue from the year

[6:42:49] prior you would see a lower tax rate the

[6:42:53] no new revenue rate would drop but

[6:42:56] that's not the case this year and I

[6:42:59] think many entities throughout North

[6:43:01] Texas or Texas as a whole has

[6:43:03] experienced this I know Fort Worth has

[6:43:06] very specifically The Tarant County EDC

[6:43:11] emergency district has experienced this

[6:43:15] is that valuations

[6:43:18] fell.

[6:43:21] The valuations in within Hassid have

[6:43:24] fallen

[6:43:25] and that's what drives that percentage

[6:43:27] rate up.

[6:43:30] So just understand that

[6:43:40] Get this stuff out of my way.

[6:44:03] Marcy, you want to go ahead and just

[6:44:04] start? Go ahead and go over the uh

[6:44:08] tax rates.

[6:44:09] >> Yes. At each of your spots, you should

[6:44:12] » Yes. At each of your spots, you should

[6:44:12] have a copy of the It looks like this.

[6:44:15] It's the 2026

[6:44:17] uh tax rate worksheet. This is um the

[6:44:22] computation for all the rates and um

[6:44:27] this computation was done for us by um

[6:44:30] Tarant County

[6:44:32] and it's based off the certified

[6:44:33] valuations that um are received from the

[6:44:38] uh Tarant appraisal district and the

[6:44:41] Denton County Appraisal District. We do

[6:44:43] have some property that's in Denton

[6:44:44] County, so we add them both together to

[6:44:48] get our total valuation.

[6:44:51] Um, if you'll look at this big sheet

[6:44:54] that I gave you, um, make sure on the

[6:44:58] increase the third column from the

[6:45:00] right, make sure your copy,

[6:45:03] write down where there's a blue 8%, make

[6:45:06] sure there's a 7.99 figure up above it.

[6:45:09] and that way you'll know you have the

[6:45:10] correct sheet we're looking at.

[6:45:14] Um, so our according to the calculations

[6:45:18] from Tarant County,

[6:45:21] our total no new revenue rate is 339405

[6:45:27] and that is shown in blue under the tax

[6:45:32] rate column M ins total. That's the

[6:45:35] total no new revenue rate.

[6:45:38] If you adopted that rate, um you would

[6:45:42] basically according to the way they do

[6:45:45] the calculations, you would assume that

[6:45:47] there's no increase in your tax rate

[6:45:50] even though it is an increase in the tax

[6:45:52] rate, but it's it's gets you the same

[6:45:55] amount of dollars.

[6:45:57] Um so basically you have in your tax

[6:46:01] rate you have M and INS. So the M is

[6:46:05] your maintenance fees and that's when

[6:46:07] we're looking at the general fund column

[6:46:11] or summary.

[6:46:13] The um property tax number is 6.2

[6:46:20] um 6 point or 62 6,242,000

[6:46:24] is what um the mayor proposed for the

[6:46:27] budget on there.

[6:46:28] >> What was Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.

[6:46:30] » What was Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.

[6:46:30] that six mill on this on this sheet he's

[6:46:33] proposed 6,242

[6:46:36] to come from property tax.

[6:46:40] » So on the M that was that's going to

[6:46:43] fall between

[6:46:45] um if you look at the M column and you

[6:46:48] go down about

[6:46:51] oh almost to the end probably three4s

[6:46:53] the way you get to where you see 6.26

[6:46:56] 6.28 28 6.37

[6:46:59] 6256.

[6:47:01] Um so somewhere in that range which is

[6:47:04] um

[6:47:06] the in the voter approval rate range for

[6:47:09] both um the voter approval rate and the

[6:47:12] voter approval rate for cities under

[6:47:14] 30,000.

[6:47:17] Because we're a city under 30,000

[6:47:19] population, we cannot go over this 8%

[6:47:24] rate that I showed you initially in that

[6:47:27] column. And so whenever we have intended

[6:47:29] to

[6:47:30] >> well up against that rate,

[6:47:32] » well up against that rate,

[6:47:32] >> you could with an election

[6:47:33] » you could with an election

[6:47:33] >> we can go over but it's a mandatory

[6:47:36] » we can go over but it's a mandatory

[6:47:36] election.

[6:47:36] >> And where just one more time on you said

[6:47:38] » And where just one more time on you said

[6:47:38] that the mayor's prop on the proposed

[6:47:40] budget where is the that six where is

[6:47:44] that? That's This is on the general fund

[6:47:46] summary

[6:47:46] >> right

[6:47:47] » right

[6:47:47] >> up on the revenues the second line on

[6:47:50] » up on the revenues the second line on

[6:47:50] the right.

[6:47:51] >> Second line 6.242. Thank you ma'am.

[6:47:54] » Second line 6.242. Thank you ma'am.

[6:47:54] >> Yes.

[6:47:54] » Yes.

[6:47:54] >> Can I say a little word?

[6:47:56] » Can I say a little word?

[6:47:56] >> Yes.

[6:47:57] » Yes.

[6:47:57] >> My understanding from the conference

[6:47:59] » My understanding from the conference

[6:47:59] last week and our discussions previously

[6:48:02] if we go over this 8% it triggers an

[6:48:05] election. And what they told us, if I

[6:48:08] heard correctly at the conference, is if

[6:48:11] it goes to an election and the voters

[6:48:15] disprove it, it defaults back to the no

[6:48:18] new revenue rate.

[6:48:20] >> Well, it defaults to the rate I mean the

[6:48:22] » Well, it defaults to the rate I mean the

[6:48:22] revenue that we have the current year.

[6:48:25] >> No new revenue rate.

[6:48:25] » No new revenue rate.

[6:48:26] >> Yeah.

[6:48:27] » Yeah.

[6:48:27] So it would go from 8% all the way back

[6:48:30] to

[6:48:32] uh whatever that is point I mean 0000

[6:48:36] change.

[6:48:37] >> So it go from a an a income of 6.9

[6:48:40] » So it go from a an a income of 6.9

[6:48:40] million roughly back to 6.4. So we'd

[6:48:43] lose 500,000 if we didn't win the

[6:48:46] election.

[6:48:46] >> And our current tax rate is a 3.15450.

[6:48:51] » And our current tax rate is a 3.15450.

[6:48:51] >> Our current one

[6:48:52] » Our current one

[6:48:52] >> Yes.

[6:48:53] » Yes.

[6:48:53] >> current rate is 3.

[6:48:55] » current rate is 3.

[6:48:55] >> Yes.

[6:48:57] » Yes.

[6:48:57] 339.

[6:48:58] >> No, that's what the no new revenue

[6:48:59] » No, that's what the no new revenue

[6:48:59] weight is. But last year the 3 point the

[6:49:03] 315.

[6:49:04] >> Okay. Thank you.

[6:49:06] » Okay. Thank you.

[6:49:06] >> Where does that stack up with other

[6:49:08] » Where does that stack up with other

[6:49:08] towns around here? Do you know?

[6:49:10] >> Yeah, we're very low.

[6:49:11] » Yeah, we're very low.

[6:49:11] >> We're very low

[6:49:12] » We're very low

[6:49:12] >> to to a lot of other towns.

[6:49:14] » to to a lot of other towns.

[6:49:14] >> Okay.

[6:49:16] » Okay.

[6:49:16] >> We're probably currently the of 16. Uh I

[6:49:20] » We're probably currently the of 16. Uh I

[6:49:20] know that I don't I haven't shown it to

[6:49:22] this council, but in previous budget

[6:49:26] meetings um

[6:49:29] and neighborhood meetings

[6:49:32] is I did a graph of or a data of 16 area

[6:49:39] cities and their tax rates.

[6:49:43] Three years ago, we were the lowest and

[6:49:47] had always been the lowest of all 16.

[6:49:50] Uh last year, I believe we were uh

[6:49:54] second lowest.

[6:49:56] Um but also we have a very low debt

[6:49:59] ratio too. Um that's an attractive

[6:50:03] thing. That's why our bond rating went

[6:50:05] up three two years ago. Nonetheless is I

[6:50:10] want to

[6:50:13] mention to you I I I stated that our

[6:50:18] valuations went down. I want to

[6:50:22] last year's valuations actually this

[6:50:25] current fiscal year in that but the

[6:50:28] valuations we received almost a year ago

[6:50:31] that the 2526 budget was worked on those

[6:50:35] valuations was

[6:50:38] 1 bill960

[6:50:40] million678

[6:50:45] uh,647

[6:50:50] Huh?

[6:50:50] >> You said billion.

[6:50:51] » You said billion.

[6:50:51] >> Billion. Uh, that's

[6:50:54] » Billion. Uh, that's

[6:50:54] Yes.

[6:50:56] This year it fell.

[6:51:00] It's 1 bill914

[6:51:02] million180,934.

[6:51:07] It dropped 46 million497,713.

[6:51:16] the valuations did uh that's even

[6:51:20] including the new properties that came

[6:51:23] online.

[6:51:24] >> My case get keeps getting built for me

[6:51:30] » about sales tax.

[6:51:31] >> Sales tax. Sales tax. Sales tax.

[6:51:33] » Sales tax. Sales tax. Sales tax.

[6:51:33] >> No. Well, no. I understand. I understand

[6:51:37] » No. Well, no. I understand. I understand

[6:51:37] you're not as bad off as you may think,

[6:51:40] but we'll get into more of that. Um the

[6:51:45] we're in a there there are things

[6:51:48] happening in

[6:51:50] the world, the nation, um economy, our

[6:51:55] North Texas economy that all contributed

[6:51:59] to this drop in valuation. This is

[6:52:01] nothing unique to North Texas.

[6:52:06] Uh so

[6:52:08] in that

[6:52:11] going back to

[6:52:15] uh understand if we go to this co this

[6:52:17] rate called the dimminimous rate that's

[6:52:19] that magic number that 8% that

[6:52:22] correlates to

[6:52:24] an additional $500,000

[6:52:27] in revenue.

[6:52:30] we have a difference of $6,970,000.

[6:52:38] You're not going to be able to go up on

[6:52:40] taxes enough to meet that difference.

[6:52:42] So, this is going to take a look at

[6:52:46] there are various sources uh or

[6:52:48] mechanisms. Uh one is

[6:52:52] uh bonds. Um, if we have a we got recent

[6:52:56] I think a month old uh schedule bond

[6:53:00] schedule. In fact, I have that right

[6:53:01] here. Let me load it up. Oh, I got it

[6:53:03] already loaded. Let me show that. This

[6:53:06] is a tool in your toolbox.

[6:53:09] Bonds.

[6:53:10] Here you are.

[6:53:12] Um,

[6:53:18] » a $5 million the first column here. Uh

[6:53:22] $5 million 20-year bond

[6:53:26] adds.177

[6:53:31] cents

[6:53:33] to your property to your tax.

[6:53:39] And if you go 10, it's just a multiple.

[6:53:42] Uh

[6:53:45] so for each $5 million

[6:53:48] is

[6:53:52] one not it's less than two cents so 1.8

[6:53:56] 8 cents

[6:53:58] >> Mayor Hoy

[6:53:58] » Mayor Hoy

[6:53:58] >> per five million.

[6:54:00] » per five million.

[6:54:00] >> I might have been the original person

[6:54:01] » I might have been the original person

[6:54:01] that got kind of got us off track, but I

[6:54:02] was wondering if Miss Lamb could

[6:54:04] continue with the worksheet. I might

[6:54:05] have asked the the initial question that

[6:54:09] that interrupted her, but if you if you

[6:54:11] could continue, you were kind of

[6:54:12] explaining the different rates.

[6:54:15] >> So, is that okay to do that now?

[6:54:17] » So, is that okay to do that now?

[6:54:17] >> Is that right? All right. Mayor,

[6:54:19] » Is that right? All right. Mayor,

[6:54:19] >> what's that?

[6:54:19] » what's that?

[6:54:19] >> Can she go back to what she was doing? I

[6:54:21] » Can she go back to what she was doing? I

[6:54:21] was trying to get clarification.

[6:54:22] >> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I

[6:54:23] » Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know I

[6:54:23] interrupted. Yeah, I I'm the one that

[6:54:25] interrupted actually. So, and so I'm

[6:54:27] apologizing.

[6:54:28] >> Please go right ahead.

[6:54:31] » Okay. Um,

[6:54:35] so the thing that this that the general

[6:54:36] fund keys off of um for this property

[6:54:40] tax is our M. the column or the amount

[6:54:45] that shows as operating expenditures,

[6:54:48] those expenditures are the ones that are

[6:54:50] deemed to be covered by your M piece of

[6:54:53] the of the rate. Uh the debt service

[6:54:56] rate is

[6:54:59] um just it is what it is because that's

[6:55:02] what our debt service is for the coming

[6:55:04] year. as I mentioned, you know, when we

[6:55:06] were talking about the debt service

[6:55:08] fund. So, the total rate is the rate

[6:55:10] you're looking to set today as a

[6:55:13] proposed rate. Um,

[6:55:16] to just kind of understand this sheet,

[6:55:19] the way I do this is I try to show you

[6:55:21] different increments of different rates.

[6:55:23] If there's a different level you want to

[6:55:25] look at, I can run that. Um, but I've

[6:55:29] tried to show you the no new revenue M

[6:55:32] rate. That's that's where we begin.

[6:55:34] That's where all the other rates key off

[6:55:36] of. Then there's the total no new

[6:55:39] revenue rate and that's it gets you a

[6:55:42] little bit more in in M, but it's not to

[6:55:45] be confused with the no new revenue M

[6:55:48] rate. And then um the voter approval

[6:55:52] rate, if you'll notice down here, it's

[6:55:56] um basically at 6.82. And for those of

[6:55:59] you that have been on council for a

[6:56:00] while, you're going to wonder why it's

[6:56:02] not at 3 and a half.

[6:56:04] And that is because on this worksheet,

[6:56:07] um if you turn to

[6:56:12] um page nine of this worksheet, there is

[6:56:15] what's called an unused increment. And

[6:56:17] since last year you did not go to your

[6:56:20] voter approval rate, there's an

[6:56:22] increment that you can use this year. So

[6:56:26] the reason that our voter approval rate

[6:56:28] is above the 3 and a half% is because of

[6:56:31] that unused increment rate. So um that

[6:56:36] added uh 192,843

[6:56:40] to what you can add on to.

[6:56:44] So, I just wanted to highlight that I

[6:56:47] did show you where the three and a half

[6:56:49] uh piece would be, but our actual voter

[6:56:53] approval rate is this 357797.

[6:56:58] So, that voter approval rate

[6:57:00] um is almost to the 6.242.

[6:57:05] Um not quite. Um

[6:57:10] the next rate is the city's under 30,000

[6:57:13] which I explained is basically 8%.

[6:57:17] And that's because um of our being under

[6:57:21] 30,000 were considered as a special

[6:57:23] taxing unit which is allowed to go up to

[6:57:26] this without going to a vote. If you go

[6:57:30] between um if you go between or over the

[6:57:35] um voter approval rate triggered dim

[6:57:37] deminimus

[6:57:39] there's a chance for a petition if you

[6:57:42] go above the dimminimus there's an

[6:57:44] automatic election.

[6:57:47] So, um, in order to fund everything that

[6:57:51] you have currently in the budget, which

[6:57:55] the numbers that you changed mostly, uh,

[6:57:58] at both of your workshops have been the

[6:58:00] capital outlay numbers.

[6:58:03] Um,

[6:58:05] if they're not covered, if a lot of this

[6:58:08] capital outlay is not covered in your

[6:58:10] tax rate, then you're using your

[6:58:12] reserves to fund those.

[6:58:14] >> Using what?

[6:58:15] » Using what?

[6:58:15] >> Your reserves.

[6:58:16] » Your reserves.

[6:58:16] >> Yeah. And how much do we have in

[6:58:17] » Yeah. And how much do we have in

[6:58:17] reserves?

[6:58:19] >> You uh started out with uh 15.2

[6:58:23] » You uh started out with uh 15.2

[6:58:23] and you will be down to

[6:58:27] uh this fund balance on this general

[6:58:30] fund page of 9,297

[6:58:32] 630.

[6:58:33] >> So we'd use up 6 million of it if we

[6:58:36] » So we'd use up 6 million of it if we

[6:58:36] fully funded everything we have in here

[6:58:37] without any cuts.

[6:58:39] >> That's correct.

[6:58:39] » That's correct.

[6:58:39] >> Thank you.

[6:58:41] » Thank you.

[6:58:42] So, in order to set the tax rate today,

[6:58:45] we're asking you to set a proposed tax

[6:58:47] rate and authorize a hearing uh to be

[6:58:51] held on the 14th.

[6:58:53] And where you set your tax rate depends

[6:58:56] on how much you want this uh 6.242

[6:59:01] uh million

[6:59:03] to change.

[6:59:06] uh or if you want this capital number or

[6:59:09] any of your M numbers to change to take

[6:59:14] less expenditures out. And so,

[6:59:17] um if you're not going to make any

[6:59:20] changes to any of the projects or

[6:59:21] whatever, um my recommendation to you

[6:59:24] would be to go up to the 8% or the 7.99.

[6:59:31] >> I do want to make a note where you see

[6:59:36] » I do want to make a note where you see

[6:59:36] 30,000 voter approval rate that is your

[6:59:40] effective voter approval rate.

[6:59:44] >> The 3614.

[6:59:46] » The 3614.

[6:59:46] >> Yes.

[6:59:46] » Yes.

[6:59:46] >> Yes.

[6:59:48] » Yes.

[6:59:48] [clears throat]

[6:59:49] >> So if I was doing okay, if I was doing

[6:59:52] » So if I was doing okay, if I was doing

[6:59:52] my math correctly, it looked like from

[6:59:55] the proposed budget we received last

[6:59:57] week to today,

[7:00:00] it was 650,000 increase in capital

[7:00:02] outlay expenditures. Does anybody else

[7:00:04] look at that and see if that's correct?

[7:00:07] >> I can print off the capital outlay um

[7:00:10] » I can print off the capital outlay um

[7:00:10] changes for you.

[7:00:12] >> I just Well, I have it on the overall

[7:00:13] » I just Well, I have it on the overall

[7:00:13] budget summary. I just took that

[7:00:16] original number

[7:00:19] of

[7:00:20] um

[7:00:22] yes from between the proposed and your

[7:00:26] current you of course you took out the

[7:00:29] library you took out the community

[7:00:31] center but you added in

[7:00:34] um the John Day road 1.425 425 million

[7:00:38] blue mound 975,000

[7:00:42] um and the blue mound 335,000

[7:00:47] you also added in a million for today

[7:00:50] for the John Road ultimate you added in

[7:00:56] um

[7:00:57] another 60,000 for houselet Park

[7:01:01] reinforced concrete

[7:01:04] and $10,000 for the Blue Mountain Road

[7:01:08] grade separation

[7:01:10] and 750,000

[7:01:12] for the U public works facility

[7:01:19] and you added 300,000 for parks.

[7:01:27] I believe those are all

[7:01:30] >> I was way off. It's Yeah, it was 1.8

[7:01:31] » I was way off. It's Yeah, it was 1.8

[7:01:31] million.

[7:01:34] 1 point

[7:01:36] 840,000.

[7:01:38] >> So what is

[7:01:39] » So what is

[7:01:39] >> addition additional? Okay.

[7:01:41] » addition additional? Okay.

[7:01:41] >> So your your total capital went from

[7:01:51] » 58

[7:01:53] and now it's 64 6485.

[7:01:56] >> Oh, I did do it wrong. Okay.

[7:02:04] Marcy, so what's our current what's our

[7:02:06] current tax rate like today?

[7:02:08] >> The current tax rate is 31545.31

[7:02:13] » The current tax rate is 31545.31

[7:02:13] >> on the front page of your worksheet.

[7:02:16] » on the front page of your worksheet.

[7:02:16] >> So if we go up 8%oughly

[7:02:20] » So if we go up 8%oughly

[7:02:20] 460

[7:02:23] » Yes.

[7:02:25] That puts us at

[7:02:27] >> this number instead of six 242 is then

[7:02:33] » this number instead of six 242 is then

[7:02:33] >> 286.

[7:02:35] » 286.

[7:02:35] >> I'm going to hate

[7:02:35] » I'm going to hate

[7:02:36] >> it's just the M piece that you'd be in

[7:02:39] » it's just the M piece that you'd be in

[7:02:39] the general fund. 6.28673

[7:02:42] if you went up to the 799.

[7:02:45] So, we're only raising it at 4%. If you

[7:02:47] kind of go with what Melsey said, well,

[7:02:50] it go to this 3614

[7:02:54] >> as far as the actual rate, but it will

[7:02:57] » as far as the actual rate, but it will

[7:02:57] it could it could make an 8% or 7.99

[7:03:01] difference in their bill.

[7:03:03] >> Oh.

[7:03:03] » Oh.

[7:03:03] >> Because this is based off of going to

[7:03:06] » Because this is based off of going to

[7:03:06] the no new revenue M rate.

[7:03:08] [clears throat] So, it doesn't it's it's

[7:03:10] not 8% over last year's rate. It's 8%

[7:03:14] over the no new revenue M rate.

[7:03:17] >> It raises

[7:03:19] » It raises

[7:03:19] >> Yeah. How much you say it raised?

[7:03:21] » Yeah. How much you say it raised?

[7:03:21] >> It goes up 6.918027

[7:03:25] » It goes up 6.918027

[7:03:25] million,

[7:03:26] >> right?

[7:03:26] » right?

[7:03:26] >> 6.9,

[7:03:27] » 6.9,

[7:03:27] >> but only 6.2 is the M piece.

[7:03:30] » but only 6.2 is the M piece.

[7:03:30] >> That's what we care about.

[7:03:31] » That's what we care about.

[7:03:31] >> That's the piece that goes in the

[7:03:32] » That's the piece that goes in the

[7:03:32] general fund.

[7:03:33] >> Yeah. Don't look at Don't look at the

[7:03:34] » Yeah. Don't look at Don't look at the

[7:03:34] total together. Only look at the M.

[7:03:37] The 63742

[7:03:39] goes into the debt service fund and

[7:03:41] that's constant no matter what your rate

[7:03:44] is.

[7:03:45] >> So the mayor had already planned for a

[7:03:47] » So the mayor had already planned for a

[7:03:47] pretty significant increase.

[7:03:50] >> Yeah, almost close to almost but not all

[7:03:53] » Yeah, almost close to almost but not all

[7:03:54] the way.

[7:03:54] >> 7.14.

[7:03:55] » 7.14.

[7:03:55] >> Yeah. 7.14. Not Yeah.

[7:04:01] » Okay. So 6,287,285

[7:04:04] is the 8% increase. Say it again.

[7:04:06] >> Correct. Which is what he

[7:04:07] » Correct. Which is what he

[7:04:07] >> turn your light on or turn your will you

[7:04:09] » turn your light on or turn your will you

[7:04:09] say it again please.

[7:04:11] >> So if you just look in M it's 6,287,285

[7:04:16] » So if you just look in M it's 6,287,285

[7:04:16] at 8%.

[7:04:18] >> We look at 7.99.

[7:04:20] » We look at 7.99.

[7:04:20] We can't go to eight, right? You have to

[7:04:22] go 7.99.

[7:04:23] >> Well, you could go to eight. We just

[7:04:25] » Well, you could go to eight. We just

[7:04:25] don't normally in case there's some type

[7:04:27] of error, we try to make sure we know.

[7:04:29] >> Okay. But the mayor already had what I'm

[7:04:31] » Okay. But the mayor already had what I'm

[7:04:31] trying to get to. The mayor already had

[7:04:32] 6,242,000.

[7:04:35] Do it on the right side for me. Tell me

[7:04:37] if if if

[7:04:39] we if you you want eight, what was it on

[7:04:41] the right side? What was his number?

[7:04:44] >> The what right side?

[7:04:47] » The what right side?

[7:04:47] >> Give me the percentage, not the whole

[7:04:49] » Give me the percentage, not the whole

[7:04:49] amount.

[7:04:51] Or give me the whole amount. I'll I'll

[7:04:52] look over there.

[7:04:53] >> Okay. At 7.99%.

[7:04:55] » Okay. At 7.99%.

[7:04:55] >> Okay.

[7:04:56] » Okay.

[7:04:56] >> Right.

[7:04:57] » Right.

[7:04:57] >> Right.

[7:04:59] » Right.

[7:04:59] The the income in M is 6,286,73

[7:05:04] on Marcy's paper.

[7:05:05] >> Got it.

[7:05:06] » Got it.

[7:05:06] >> The mayor and the budget already had

[7:05:09] » The mayor and the budget already had

[7:05:09] 6,242,000

[7:05:11] >> which would be 7

[7:05:14] » which would be 7

[7:05:14] little more than 7.14.

[7:05:17] >> So 7.2.

[7:05:18] » So 7.2.

[7:05:18] >> Yeah. But what I'm saying is it's only a

[7:05:21] » Yeah. But what I'm saying is it's only a

[7:05:21] 44,000

[7:05:23] difference,

[7:05:24] >> right? So it's not like we can raise

[7:05:26] » right? So it's not like we can raise

[7:05:26] another 500,000 by going to 8 8%. He's

[7:05:29] already got a lot of it baked into his

[7:05:31] budget here.

[7:05:31] >> Correct.

[7:05:33] » Correct.

[7:05:33] >> So even if we go up to the 7.99, we only

[7:05:36] » So even if we go up to the 7.99, we only

[7:05:36] get $40,000 more.

[7:05:38] >> We're like 1.9 different from his

[7:05:39] » We're like 1.9 different from his

[7:05:39] original budget. But I'm going to say

[7:05:42] something that I don't even love, but

[7:05:44] it's something that we need to talk

[7:05:45] about that I mean, we are depleting our

[7:05:48] savings quite a bit. We're one emergency

[7:05:50] away from a bad situation. I I'm

[7:05:52] thinking we can talk about the rate, but

[7:05:55] I honestly don't think we can afford to

[7:05:57] do the public works office. Either that

[7:05:59] or we got to tear apart a lot. We could

[7:06:02] also pick the interest rate and then go

[7:06:04] for a bond specifically for the public

[7:06:06] works. The Well, it's gone now and see

[7:06:09] what the people think because there is a

[7:06:11] bond for 5 million. Um, put it to the

[7:06:15] people.

[7:06:17] I mean,

[7:06:20] >> if you did a

[7:06:22] » if you did a

[7:06:22] looking at doing a bond just for public,

[7:06:26] that would be better.

[7:06:28] >> A better tool for that would be a bank

[7:06:30] » A better tool for that would be a bank

[7:06:30] loan.

[7:06:31] >> I don't I don't believe we can issue an

[7:06:33] » I don't I don't believe we can issue an

[7:06:33] a bond for a public works building.

[7:06:36] That's why it's being funded out of the

[7:06:37] general fund already. There's very

[7:06:41] narrow what we can issue the bonds for.

[7:06:43] It's mostly water, sewer. We could do a

[7:06:45] fire department. We could do a library.

[7:06:47] >> I also think you'll get more voter

[7:06:49] » I also think you'll get more voter

[7:06:49] approval if you do a bond for roads than

[7:06:51] >> No, we can't do We can't do a library.

[7:06:54] » No, we can't do We can't do a library.

[7:06:54] >> Yeah.

[7:06:54] » Yeah.

[7:06:54] >> Can you do roads?

[7:06:55] » Can you do roads?

[7:06:55] >> We can do a We can do roads. We can do

[7:06:58] » We can do a We can do roads. We can do

[7:06:58] water, sewer, we can do public work

[7:07:00] facilities. We can't

[7:07:02] >> No,

[7:07:02] » No,

[7:07:02] >> I don't think

[7:07:03] » I don't think

[7:07:03] >> that's why public works is in the

[7:07:05] » that's why public works is in the

[7:07:05] general fund. Now,

[7:07:06] >> now that pertains to cos only

[7:07:09] » now that pertains to cos only

[7:07:10] certificate of obligations. There's two

[7:07:12] things. certificate of obligations and a

[7:07:15] general obligation bond. A certificate

[7:07:17] of obligation and this is the last

[7:07:20] manner in 2022 is what we did. We

[7:07:23] determined, okay, we need to group, we

[7:07:25] need to finance these projects.

[7:07:28] >> They're going to be needed anyway.

[7:07:30] » They're going to be needed anyway.

[7:07:30] >> If you did,

[7:07:31] » If you did,

[7:07:31] >> we made that decision and we took a

[7:07:34] » we made that decision and we took a

[7:07:34] council vote.

[7:07:36] If you don't now,

[7:07:38] >> if you did a bond,

[7:07:40] » if you did a bond,

[7:07:40] >> I believe you could go to an election to

[7:07:42] » I believe you could go to an election to

[7:07:42] do a public works facility.

[7:07:44] >> That would be the go the general

[7:07:45] » That would be the go the general

[7:07:45] obligation bond. You go to an election.

[7:07:47] >> That's what I was

[7:07:48] » That's what I was

[7:07:48] >> I don't think the public knows how bad

[7:07:50] » I don't think the public knows how bad

[7:07:50] we need a public works building. I don't

[7:07:51] think they know about what all we know

[7:07:53] about

[7:07:55] why we need it and everything like that.

[7:07:56] So,

[7:07:57] >> I just don't think that I would think

[7:07:58] » I just don't think that I would think

[7:07:58] they would strike it down. I don't think

[7:07:59] they would think, oh, $5 million for

[7:08:01] that. I don't

[7:08:03] >> Well, you you you don't know. I think

[7:08:05] » Well, you you you don't know. I think

[7:08:05] you have to educate them. I don't mind

[7:08:07] doing the roads. I just think we're

[7:08:08] going to have a lot of people upset if

[7:08:10] we fund the public works building and

[7:08:12] then put the roads up and what if the

[7:08:14] roads don't get funded? Like what if the

[7:08:16] bond doesn't?

[7:08:16] >> Here's my here's my here's why what one

[7:08:19] » Here's my here's my here's why what one

[7:08:19] option I think we do. I think we take

[7:08:21] out the 120,000 for Hasslup Park

[7:08:24] reinforced concrete. We take out the

[7:08:26] 100,000 for a town hall concept. After

[7:08:29] we do the strategic plan, we can come

[7:08:30] back to that. We have contingency. Um,

[7:08:33] that gets us down to only $430,000

[7:08:36] different than the proposed budget.

[7:08:38] >> What?

[7:08:39] » What?

[7:08:40] >> We are only We are only asking for

[7:08:42] » We are only We are only asking for

[7:08:42] $650,000 more in capital outlay.

[7:08:45] >> Well, we're 1.9 off total.

[7:08:47] » Well, we're 1.9 off total.

[7:08:47] >> Yes, because it's 660 more in

[7:08:49] » Yes, because it's 660 more in

[7:08:49] expenditures, but I'm trying to get the

[7:08:51] capital outlay down a little bit. And

[7:08:53] the oneus 120US 100 would get it to 430.

[7:08:58] Is there anything else on the list? I do

[7:08:59] not want to take the public works

[7:09:00] building off. I'm I'm okay with maybe

[7:09:02] maybe making it a little bit less

[7:09:04] instead of the what we put 3 point what

[7:09:08] do we put in there

[7:09:09] >> the public works building not going to

[7:09:11] » the public works building not going to

[7:09:11] get million

[7:09:11] >> 3.25 25.

[7:09:12] » 3.25 25.

[7:09:12] >> The public works building is not going

[7:09:13] » The public works building is not going

[7:09:13] to get cheaper.

[7:09:16] >> I want to make a comment about that

[7:09:18] » I want to make a comment about that

[7:09:18] public works building. I would recommend

[7:09:20] you focus on the facilities, the

[7:09:23] buildings,

[7:09:24] the

[7:09:25] >> He just said he wanted to do the roads

[7:09:26] » He just said he wanted to do the roads

[7:09:26] first,

[7:09:26] >> but not the road. They can use that road

[7:09:30] » but not the road. They can use that road

[7:09:30] they have now into this facility.

[7:09:34] >> And then you can look at another budget

[7:09:36] » And then you can look at another budget

[7:09:36] year if you need to build a road, but

[7:09:38] it's not necessary. It's not I'll say

[7:09:41] it's not a necessity for them to access

[7:09:45] that new site.

[7:09:46] >> Okay.

[7:09:47] » Okay.

[7:09:47] >> I know that

[7:09:47] » I know that

[7:09:47] >> I think what about for the park

[7:09:50] » I think what about for the park

[7:09:50] >> and that knocks what almost 2 million

[7:09:52] » and that knocks what almost 2 million

[7:09:52] out

[7:09:52] >> and actually it's 180,000 not 120

[7:09:54] » and actually it's 180,000 not 120

[7:09:54] because we upped it to 180,000 for Hlet

[7:09:57] Park. I forgot

[7:09:59] >> for the community park. Could we remove

[7:10:00] » for the community park. Could we remove

[7:10:00] the extra 300,000 and of leave it for

[7:10:03] HCDC if that's something that they want

[7:10:04] to fund? I mean I mean they were I mean

[7:10:08] >> that that's $300,000.

[7:10:11] » that that's $300,000.

[7:10:11] >> We could cut it in half or we could take

[7:10:13] » We could cut it in half or we could take

[7:10:13] out a hundred or something like that and

[7:10:15] I'm I'm okay with that.

[7:10:16] >> I think that on top of a h 100,000 for a

[7:10:18] » I think that on top of a h 100,000 for a

[7:10:18] sports field design when we're looking

[7:10:19] at the budget that we can I I think it's

[7:10:21] fiscally irresponsible.

[7:10:24] I truly do. If the HCDC wants to fund

[7:10:27] the more expensive park because we have

[7:10:28] both

[7:10:30] >> they've already tried that. No,

[7:10:34] » they've already tried that. No,

[7:10:34] >> the parks board is going to make a

[7:10:35] » the parks board is going to make a

[7:10:35] decision Wednesday on what park they

[7:10:37] they choose. So that's

[7:10:38] >> and if they choose the

[7:10:39] » and if they choose the

[7:10:39] >> but this 300,000 is I felt when I

[7:10:42] » but this 300,000 is I felt when I

[7:10:42] watched the meeting it was about some

[7:10:44] other options they were planning on

[7:10:45] doing the park. It wasn't just for the

[7:10:46] the

[7:10:47] >> 300,000 there one I think is for like

[7:10:49] » 300,000 there one I think is for like

[7:10:49] some sport or for some like exercising

[7:10:52] and stuff like that.

[7:10:53] >> If they don't get a grant there's a

[7:10:54] » If they don't get a grant there's a

[7:10:54] couple other things. Yeah.

[7:10:55] >> But I think I'm okay lessing that to

[7:10:57] » But I think I'm okay lessing that to

[7:10:57] maybe 200,000 that's cuts us back

[7:10:59] another 100,000. I disagree with any if

[7:11:02] we're if we're upgrading the park next

[7:11:04] year, let's do that and then the

[7:11:05] following year

[7:11:07] when we've got a little bit more money

[7:11:09] maybe or if we prepare to go to a bond

[7:11:11] for the roads because truly I see us

[7:11:13] we're going to have to at some point go

[7:11:14] to a bond for the roads. Hopefully we're

[7:11:17] not funding all of it. Hopefully our

[7:11:19] partners are working with us. But

[7:11:21] >> I think let's take off the 300,000.

[7:11:23] » I think let's take off the 300,000.

[7:11:23] That'll get us closer to what what

[7:11:24] you're talking about. I think we need to

[7:11:26] do everything that Mike talked about for

[7:11:28] the public works building. And I don't

[7:11:29] agree with taking 300,000 off. I'm okay

[7:11:31] with taking some, but if if the if it

[7:11:34] doesn't get funded by the EDC, we're

[7:11:36] just assuming it's going to. It might

[7:11:38] not. Then they need those funds

[7:11:39] available.

[7:11:42] » We can request it from the EDC. Right.

[7:11:44] >> Right. And they can refuse it. So, I

[7:11:46] » Right. And they can refuse it. So, I

[7:11:46] mean, that's just giving them another

[7:11:47] option. It might not even be used. I

[7:11:49] mean,

[7:11:50] >> if the EDC's fund it, we

[7:11:53] » if the EDC's fund it, we

[7:11:53] part of the reason we put this in here

[7:11:55] was so that we because if we're going to

[7:11:57] pay for it, they're going to pay us

[7:11:59] back. Um, which would be a wash.

[7:12:04] Um,

[7:12:04] >> but we don't have it of us getting paid

[7:12:06] » but we don't have it of us getting paid

[7:12:06] back right now. Correct. We just have it

[7:12:08] as an expense.

[7:12:10] >> Uh, no. I believe it's in the EDC's

[7:12:13] » Uh, no. I believe it's in the EDC's

[7:12:13] for I believe it's in there for the

[7:12:15] whole thing. I I think they the EDC I

[7:12:18] think approved it. I don't know the park

[7:12:20] wants to.

[7:12:21] >> Is there any other items that y'all like

[7:12:22] » Is there any other items that y'all like

[7:12:22] I'm just looking at like I said 180

[7:12:24] taking off for the house of park

[7:12:25] reinforcement 100,000 for the town hall

[7:12:29] vision.

[7:12:30] Um

[7:12:33] possibly reducing like I said the public

[7:12:35] works by a little bit maybe not. You you

[7:12:37] don't want to do that. So um is there

[7:12:40] anything else that you see that could be

[7:12:41] >> I disagree with the 100,000 for the town

[7:12:43] » I disagree with the 100,000 for the town

[7:12:43] hall. We have to prepare for the

[7:12:44] employees that we're going to have or

[7:12:45] we're going to continue to have more and

[7:12:46] more rent. Like we have to start

[7:12:48] locating,

[7:12:49] >> but that could come out of contingency

[7:12:50] » but that could come out of contingency

[7:12:50] once Mr. um Anderson lets us know what

[7:12:53] the cost would be with his associate.

[7:12:57] >> I don't know if it needs to be budgeted

[7:12:58] » I don't know if it needs to be budgeted

[7:12:58] is all I'm saying.

[7:13:00] >> As y'all have this discussion, I want to

[7:13:02] » As y'all have this discussion, I want to

[7:13:02] with regard to at the bottom of the page

[7:13:05] here, the bottom very bottom right is

[7:13:08] your reserve amount. You know why? You

[7:13:11] know, which what's the amount?

[7:13:13] >> The reserve amount that you see is for

[7:13:16] » The reserve amount that you see is for

[7:13:16] 4,900

[7:13:18] or 894,000

[7:13:19] right now.

[7:13:21] >> You know,

[7:13:22] » You know,

[7:13:22] >> it's 295.

[7:13:25] » it's 295.

[7:13:25] >> I got the wrong one.

[7:13:26] » I got the wrong one.

[7:13:26] >> Yes.

[7:13:27] » Yes.

[7:13:27] >> I also think we could reduce the

[7:13:28] » I also think we could reduce the

[7:13:28] contingency to the contingency is at 1

[7:13:30] million, right?

[7:13:31] >> Oh my gosh.

[7:13:33] » Oh my gosh.

[7:13:33] >> Are you serious?

[7:13:34] » Are you serious?

[7:13:34] >> Contingencies at 1 million.

[7:13:35] » Contingencies at 1 million.

[7:13:35] >> Okay, let me make maybe this is more

[7:13:38] » Okay, let me make maybe this is more

[7:13:38] relevant now. you know the importance of

[7:13:41] that number right there as I was showing

[7:13:44] you earlier

[7:13:46] uh with regard to the fire department.

[7:13:50] >> Which number are you talking about Mr.

[7:13:51] » Which number are you talking about Mr.

[7:13:51] Mayor?

[7:13:51] >> He's saying we are one emergency away

[7:13:53] » He's saying we are one emergency away

[7:13:53] like just needing a fire truck. Say our

[7:13:55] fire truck breaks down tomorrow. We have

[7:13:57] a problem.

[7:13:58] >> Yes. So let me is my comment is trying

[7:14:02] » Yes. So let me is my comment is trying

[7:14:02] to keep this number up gives us the

[7:14:06] ability to pay cash for things like this

[7:14:10] fire department vehicles over the next

[7:14:12] 10 years reasonably pay cash for it and

[7:14:16] keep it off a bond

[7:14:19] that reserve number as we go out you

[7:14:22] know and each year last year this last

[7:14:25] budget year we didn't do it we would go

[7:14:27] up historically

[7:14:28] uh 7.99 and that would reap us almost

[7:14:33] $500,000 a year. And as you can see over

[7:14:35] the years that reserve fund got built up

[7:14:38] pretty well and then we decided, okay,

[7:14:41] we need to start spending some of that

[7:14:43] reserves then which we did. Okay, but

[7:14:47] we're getting pretty steep on the

[7:14:49] negative side right now. So I'm asking

[7:14:52] you to please keep that in mind why that

[7:14:55] reserve number is important.

[7:14:59] Oh, go ahead.

[7:14:59] >> Is the reserve number the nine?

[7:15:01] » Is the reserve number the nine?

[7:15:01] >> No, it's the 2.9.

[7:15:02] » No, it's the 2.9.

[7:15:02] >> The 2.9. That's what you're talking

[7:15:04] » The 2.9. That's what you're talking

[7:15:04] about.

[7:15:04] >> That's how much you're about to drop it

[7:15:05] » That's how much you're about to drop it

[7:15:05] by.

[7:15:06] >> We were at 17 million in 2025 and we're

[7:15:09] » We were at 17 million in 2025 and we're

[7:15:09] about to drop it to just under three

[7:15:10] million.

[7:15:24] » Because we could change a contingency,

[7:15:26] too. That's a million dollars in

[7:15:27] contingency. That could be 5%.

[7:15:30] >> Or nothing

[7:15:31] » Or nothing

[7:15:31] >> and give us 500. I mean, or nothing.

[7:15:33] » and give us 500. I mean, or nothing.

[7:15:33] You're right. Or nothing.

[7:15:35] >> We didn't used to have it before. We

[7:15:36] » We didn't used to have it before. We

[7:15:36] never had it until Mayor Holy. But but I

[7:15:39] do think it serves some purpose. Um

[7:15:41] maybe not at

[7:15:43] >> maybe not 10%, but 5% would be 500,000

[7:15:46] » maybe not 10%, but 5% would be 500,000

[7:15:46] back in. I let me tell you the purpose

[7:15:48] that it serves is that as a contingency

[7:15:51] [clears throat]

[7:15:52] a budgeted item line item here of

[7:15:54] contingency

[7:15:56] it is part of this general fund. Now

[7:15:59] let's say there's something that comes

[7:16:00] up throughout the year and you need

[7:16:05] $300,000 for

[7:16:08] and

[7:16:10] there's nowhere among all these items

[7:16:13] within the budget. So you can make

[7:16:16] changes within the budget without a

[7:16:19] budget amendment.

[7:16:20] >> I I understand what it what

[7:16:22] » I I understand what it what

[7:16:22] >> is you can pull from that contingency

[7:16:24] » is you can pull from that contingency

[7:16:24] without a budget amendment. That's the

[7:16:26] purpose of it.

[7:16:27] >> Right. And I I understand what work

[7:16:29] » Right. And I I understand what work

[7:16:29] contingency means. I think I remember

[7:16:31] originally proposed it was 20 thou 20%

[7:16:33] or maybe 15 but we decided 10 as a

[7:16:36] council. So we can decide less as a

[7:16:38] council. Now, if we go to 5%, it gives

[7:16:40] us 500,000 still in there, and then puts

[7:16:42] 500,000 back in the um reserve. And then

[7:16:45] if we take off off a few things, 180

[7:16:48] here, 100 there, 200 here, then we're

[7:16:51] really whittling away down at the the

[7:16:53] cost.

[7:16:55] And then go up to 7.99. What does that

[7:16:57] how much extra does that or how much

[7:16:59] does that produce for us?

[7:17:00] >> $40,000.

[7:17:02] » $40,000.

[7:17:02] >> $44,000.

[7:17:03] » $44,000.

[7:17:03] >> Because he already had a lot of it baked

[7:17:05] » Because he already had a lot of it baked

[7:17:05] in here already,

[7:17:05] >> Marcy, what point do you think is

[7:17:07] » Marcy, what point do you think is

[7:17:08] necessary to keep

[7:17:10] >> the not contingency the the the reserve

[7:17:13] » the not contingency the the the reserve

[7:17:13] surplus where where do you think we need

[7:17:15] to be as a city

[7:17:17] >> off of your experience?

[7:17:19] » off of your experience?

[7:17:19] >> Well, the the target that we have is 50%

[7:17:23] » Well, the the target that we have is 50%

[7:17:23] at 5.2 million and that's that's part of

[7:17:28] it. Now, this reserve surplus is the

[7:17:31] 2.9.

[7:17:32] So, technically if you're reserving 5.2

[7:17:37] two

[7:17:38] um you're you're reserving that already.

[7:17:40] If you look at the contingency, you

[7:17:42] could add to that number if you reduced

[7:17:44] it. That would raise that bottom number.

[7:17:47] Um that the contingency and the target

[7:17:54] uh have been policies of the council. So

[7:17:57] if you don't feel that you need, you

[7:18:00] know, that much of a target in your fund

[7:18:02] balance, but if you if you'll look um

[7:18:08] back historically,

[7:18:11] I mean, you're you're still above the

[7:18:14] target that you've had before, although

[7:18:16] you're and and part of that is because

[7:18:19] we did put fund 19 back in here.

[7:18:23] Um,

[7:18:25] so

[7:18:27] you know, typically

[7:18:29] you would look at an emergency reserve

[7:18:31] of something to be

[7:18:34] at least 90 to 120 days of your

[7:18:37] operations.

[7:18:39] Um, because if you were shut down for

[7:18:41] some some reason, had a disaster or

[7:18:44] something like that. But that's really a

[7:18:47] a

[7:18:49] you know it's really up to council what

[7:18:50] you want your fund balance to be. I when

[7:18:53] I first came on um it was probably in

[7:18:58] the bottom line number was probably in

[7:19:01] the million range. So we have made a lot

[7:19:04] of progress. I would hate to see it go

[7:19:07] down much further than

[7:19:09] >> So you would say like this would be the

[7:19:11] » So you would say like this would be the

[7:19:11] bottom line after this?

[7:19:12] >> Yeah I think this is pretty bottom line.

[7:19:14] » Yeah I think this is pretty bottom line.

[7:19:14] Yeah, I remember Mr. Quinn was pretty he

[7:19:17] was pretty big on

[7:19:18] >> Yeah. And I want to get your

[7:19:19] » Yeah. And I want to get your

[7:19:20] >> once again, not to belabor the fact, but

[7:19:22] » once again, not to belabor the fact, but

[7:19:22] um and not to pick on the fire

[7:19:24] department, but we build in some things

[7:19:25] last year

[7:19:27] >> that that keep on going. I mean, they're

[7:19:31] » that that keep on going. I mean, they're

[7:19:31] the gifts that keep on giving. So any

[7:19:34] any kind of increase is Yeah. it's going

[7:19:38] to continue to take that if you don't

[7:19:41] keep your M rate up

[7:19:45] um your reserve is just going to

[7:19:47] continue to go down unless you

[7:19:49] drastically reduce your capital or as

[7:19:52] the mayor mentioned issue some debt to

[7:19:54] fund something. So you think if we were

[7:19:56] to keep everything we have it, keep this

[7:19:58] as it is right now, you would just

[7:19:59] highly encourage that we're next year

[7:20:02] considering either a bond or an increase

[7:20:04] to the the M

[7:20:05] >> or you consider a bond this year?

[7:20:08] » or you consider a bond this year?

[7:20:08] >> Yeah.

[7:20:08] » Yeah.

[7:20:08] >> We're not ready for a bond.

[7:20:09] » We're not ready for a bond.

[7:20:09] >> Or we take

[7:20:10] » Or we take

[7:20:10] >> Well, you don't know that you're not.

[7:20:11] » Well, you don't know that you're not.

[7:20:12] >> Or we take off some items. We we reduce

[7:20:14] » Or we take off some items. We we reduce

[7:20:14] the contingency and that gets us about

[7:20:16] $700,000 more in our

[7:20:18] >> I'm sorry. Say that one more time.

[7:20:19] » I'm sorry. Say that one more time.

[7:20:19] >> You reduce the contingency by 5%. That

[7:20:21] » You reduce the contingency by 5%. That

[7:20:21] gives us $528,000 to add back in. And

[7:20:25] then we take off the 180. Maybe that's

[7:20:27] it.

[7:20:29] And that gives us even more.

[7:20:32] >> Does it matter? Oh, I'm so sorry. Go

[7:20:34] » Does it matter? Oh, I'm so sorry. Go

[7:20:34] ahead.

[7:20:35] >> Um, [clears throat]

[7:20:38] Miss Wise just asked, "Will we do it for

[7:20:41] a bond?" You said, "Well, you don't know

[7:20:42] that yet, but it's at the end of August

[7:20:47] or

[7:20:48] uh, you know, 1 of August. The

[7:20:51] election's in the 1 of November. So in

[7:20:53] like two months we'll have an election.

[7:20:54] So can we get a bond ready by in less

[7:20:57] than two months?

[7:20:59] >> 17th of this month.

[7:21:01] » 17th of this month.

[7:21:01] >> Okay. So we have so we have we have we

[7:21:03] » Okay. So we have so we have we have we

[7:21:03] have nine days.

[7:21:04] >> We would need to notify the county that

[7:21:07] » We would need to notify the county that

[7:21:07] we're going to have an election. That's

[7:21:09] what that date is.

[7:21:11] >> But yes, they could Hilltop could get a

[7:21:15] » But yes, they could Hilltop could get a

[7:21:15] bond ready if you knew the amount what

[7:21:17] you're going to use it for.

[7:21:18] >> When when is that when is that like when

[7:21:20] » When when is that when is that like when

[7:21:20] do we need to have that done by? If that

[7:21:22] was the case,

[7:21:24] >> it would be tight for them to do that.

[7:21:27] » it would be tight for them to do that.

[7:21:27] >> So, would you feel more comfortable with

[7:21:28] » So, would you feel more comfortable with

[7:21:28] the 3.664902?

[7:21:31] >> I'm sorry. Say

[7:21:32] » I'm sorry. Say

[7:21:32] >> 3.664

[7:21:34] » 3.664

[7:21:34] instead of two. Instead of looking at

[7:21:36] the 2956, it'd be 3664.

[7:21:38] >> She's making it.

[7:21:39] » She's making it.

[7:21:39] >> Yeah, I'm just adding numbers.

[7:21:40] » Yeah, I'm just adding numbers.

[7:21:40] >> Doesn't matter where it is, whether it

[7:21:41] » Doesn't matter where it is, whether it

[7:21:41] be in the contingency or the reserve

[7:21:43] surplus. Isn't that all sitting to the

[7:21:45] side anyway? Does it really matter?

[7:21:46] >> That's what you're saying.

[7:21:47] » That's what you're saying.

[7:21:47] >> Where it's located?

[7:21:48] » Where it's located?

[7:21:48] >> That's just what you're moving. It's

[7:21:49] » That's just what you're moving. It's

[7:21:49] just moving from there to there. Yeah.

[7:21:50] But it looks better.

[7:21:51] >> Still 9.

[7:21:52] » Still 9.

[7:21:52] >> It's still [clears throat]

[7:21:54] » It's still [clears throat]

[7:21:54] >> Yeah,

[7:21:54] » Yeah,

[7:21:54] >> that's what you're saying. It's still

[7:21:55] » that's what you're saying. It's still

[7:21:55] 3.9

[7:21:56] >> 9.3 million at

[7:21:57] » 9.3 million at

[7:21:57] >> Yeah. I just think as we move through

[7:21:59] » Yeah. I just think as we move through

[7:21:59] the next year, if we leave this as it

[7:22:00] is, as we move through this next year,

[7:22:03] we need to realize

[7:22:05] >> that we do not have the money for the

[7:22:06] » that we do not have the money for the

[7:22:06] roads that are incoming or to even

[7:22:08] finish out what's required for the roads

[7:22:10] next year to if you we are going to have

[7:22:14] to do a bond next year as in like a year

[7:22:17] from now. We need to be ready and we

[7:22:18] need to be considering and getting the

[7:22:21] estimates for those roads ready and

[7:22:23] finding out what our partners will

[7:22:24] contribute if that makes

[7:22:26] >> I yes that makes 100% but

[7:22:28] » I yes that makes 100% but

[7:22:28] >> excuse me guys while you're talking

[7:22:30] » excuse me guys while you're talking

[7:22:30] about that you mentioned but also

[7:22:34] >> yes you can put

[7:22:35] » yes you can put

[7:22:35] >> any general election

[7:22:35] » any general election

[7:22:35] >> we won't be ready okay so it could be

[7:22:38] » we won't be ready okay so it could be

[7:22:38] [clears throat] in May also

[7:22:39] >> in May you should do

[7:22:42] » in May you should do

[7:22:42] >> have a bond

[7:22:45] » have a bond

[7:22:45] >> okay the only other thing I would say

[7:22:46] » okay the only other thing I would say

[7:22:46] with reducing the to five is you

[7:22:48] wouldn't have to do a budget amendment.

[7:22:52] >> Well, no. No, we want to leave at 10.

[7:22:53] » Well, no. No, we want to leave at 10.

[7:22:53] So, we don't have to do a budget

[7:22:54] amendment, right?

[7:22:56] >> Right. Is that correct?

[7:22:58] » Right. Is that correct?

[7:22:58] >> What's that about budget amendment?

[7:22:59] » What's that about budget amendment?

[7:22:59] >> I would I would like to ask um Mr. um

[7:23:03] » I would I would like to ask um Mr. um

[7:23:03] Ashton, what in your past as a city

[7:23:07] administrator, how you feel about

[7:23:10] dipping to this level?

[7:23:13] uh really just echo what Marcy said and

[7:23:15] in particular and then also um I believe

[7:23:19] it was either Miss Wise or Mr. Kurthers

[7:23:21] that

[7:23:23] when you're looking at the uh

[7:23:25] contingency the fund balance target

[7:23:27] that's been set by the council and then

[7:23:29] the reserve surplus those can all be

[7:23:32] thought of as broken out and then they

[7:23:33] can all be thought of as one number too.

[7:23:35] So I mean you you still you still have

[7:23:38] multiple layers of

[7:23:41] uh

[7:23:42] of different things built in as opposed

[7:23:44] to just having a final reserve of of

[7:23:47] that number. So, it really is like Marcy

[7:23:50] said, it's it's what the council's

[7:23:52] philosophy is on those numbers and

[7:23:54] wanting to to adhere to those numbers.

[7:23:57] >> And let me may I share you because I

[7:23:59] » And let me may I share you because I

[7:24:00] instituted these numbers. May I share

[7:24:02] you the thought behind it?

[7:24:06] is

[7:24:09] one. Uh

[7:24:13] contingency had been used quite often

[7:24:17] prior to 2021. Some point in time the

[7:24:22] council stopped using contingency but I

[7:24:25] put it back in is because just like

[7:24:28] these projects they don't know exactly

[7:24:30] what's going to happen. We can't

[7:24:32] forecast exactly what's going to happen.

[7:24:35] what we'll spend on air from. We do our

[7:24:38] best that we can.

[7:24:39] >> I'm save. We're going to keep

[7:24:40] » I'm save. We're going to keep

[7:24:40] contingency. I was the only one that I

[7:24:42] was the only one talking

[7:24:45] not in favor of it and I'm good.

[7:24:46] Everybody else is good. So, we're good

[7:24:47] with contingency.

[7:24:48] >> Okay. I I just wanted to explain

[7:24:50] » Okay. I I just wanted to explain

[7:24:50] >> more. We got it. I mean, we're good with

[7:24:52] » more. We got it. I mean, we're good with

[7:24:52] contingency. We're going to keep it in.

[7:24:53] And you like you mentioned there's no

[7:24:55] budget amendment.

[7:24:56] >> The uh target of 50%.

[7:24:59] » The uh target of 50%.

[7:24:59] >> We're good. I think we're good with

[7:25:00] » We're good. I think we're good with

[7:25:00] that, too.

[7:25:01] >> You're good with the target of 50%.

[7:25:03] » You're good with the target of 50%.

[7:25:03] >> Yeah. we were just visually looking at

[7:25:05] » Yeah. we were just visually looking at

[7:25:05] it different that the these aren't all

[7:25:08] this money is still the city's money

[7:25:10] even though it's broken out it looks uh

[7:25:12] less and actually it helps me because in

[7:25:14] 2023

[7:25:16] if you look at the total of the fund

[7:25:18] balance target and the reserve surplus

[7:25:19] we're actually almost at the same this

[7:25:21] year. So you do see a significant

[7:25:23] increase but that's also when we had a

[7:25:26] lot of income coming into the city. A

[7:25:27] lot of homes being built but we also did

[7:25:29] have a lot of expense because of that in

[7:25:30] those years. So, we're almost kind of

[7:25:33] balancing back out to 2023. It's just

[7:25:35] broken out differently. When you look at

[7:25:38] the reserve surplus, it looks a little

[7:25:40] scary. And that kind of shocked me cuz

[7:25:41] it went 9.6 10 17 and now we're down to

[7:25:45] two. But then once I saw it's because

[7:25:47] they had been moved to separate

[7:25:49] accounts, it's a little less. It's It's

[7:25:52] easier to digest.

[7:25:53] >> My question is, is there anything we

[7:25:54] » My question is, is there anything we

[7:25:54] want to take off now or we want to

[7:25:57] That's my question. I just want to

[7:25:58] mention one other thing that's when

[7:26:01] you're talking about the tax rate. I

[7:26:03] think this is one of the more important

[7:26:05] things to look at and that's if you'll

[7:26:07] look at the fund balance effect the

[7:26:09] increase decrease

[7:26:11] that's shows you what your tax rate and

[7:26:15] all your revenues are actually covering

[7:26:18] toward your operations.

[7:26:20] And part of the reason that um your

[7:26:24] operating expense um has gone up over

[7:26:27] the years, particularly the last uh

[7:26:31] three or four, is because the mayor has

[7:26:34] um put in raises, the council's put in

[7:26:38] raises. Um we've had additional expenses

[7:26:41] for, you know, a multitude of things. Um

[7:26:45] >> we've doubled the number of employees.

[7:26:47] » we've doubled the number of employees.

[7:26:47] >> Yes, we've doubled the number of

[7:26:48] » Yes, we've doubled the number of

[7:26:48] employees. Those are all recurring

[7:26:50] expenses. And if you look at this right

[7:26:52] hand column, uh you're only covering all

[7:26:56] those expenses right now um at 653,000

[7:27:00] to the good. So that's the number in the

[7:27:04] future that's really the most important

[7:27:07] because you can fund your capital with

[7:27:10] other financing mechanisms, but you

[7:27:12] really can't fund your M with much else

[7:27:16] unless we get the sales tax. Um and you

[7:27:20] know unless

[7:27:20] >> all goes back to sales tax.

[7:27:21] » all goes back to sales tax.

[7:27:22] >> Yeah. Unless we um keep our tax rate

[7:27:25] » Yeah. Unless we um keep our tax rate

[7:27:25] sufficient to cover those and it it you

[7:27:28] know to me it it's not necessarily are

[7:27:31] you raising rates, are you lowering

[7:27:32] rates? You know I know politically for

[7:27:35] you all that that's a hard thing but to

[7:27:38] have a rate that's sufficient to cover

[7:27:40] your expenses there's nothing wrong with

[7:27:42] that. that's that's fiscally responsible

[7:27:45] to make sure that you can cover your

[7:27:47] expenses. So, I almost think that that's

[7:27:49] really a more important number than the

[7:27:52] capital. Capital's a one-time hit and

[7:27:55] you know, you do have other ways to

[7:27:57] finance it. So, I just wanted to I just

[7:28:01] wanted to say that

[7:28:02] >> I'm good with the 7.99.

[7:28:03] » I'm good with the 7.99.

[7:28:03] >> Marcy, thank you for validating my sales

[7:28:06] » Marcy, thank you for validating my sales

[7:28:06] tax. I appreciate that.

[7:28:08] [laughter]

[7:28:08] >> I agree.

[7:28:09] » I agree.

[7:28:09] >> I'm just going to keep going.

[7:28:10] » I'm just going to keep going.

[7:28:10] >> Do you you agree? I agree with the

[7:28:12] » Do you you agree? I agree with the

[7:28:12] 7.990. I just want to make sure all as

[7:28:14] council we're aware and working towards

[7:28:17] a bond's going to be required for these

[7:28:18] roads and it's we got to put in work to

[7:28:20] have it ready next year.

[7:28:21] >> We knew that a long time ago.

[7:28:23] » We knew that a long time ago.

[7:28:23] >> It's

[7:28:24] » It's

[7:28:24] >> we just have to come to the conversation

[7:28:25] » we just have to come to the conversation

[7:28:25] and come to the realization. I mean,

[7:28:27] we're not going to fund 55 million to do

[7:28:29] the whole blue mound,

[7:28:30] >> but we can do a smaller amount to make

[7:28:32] » but we can do a smaller amount to make

[7:28:32] some some serious difference

[7:28:34] >> 100%. And also, yeah, other roads John

[7:28:38] » 100%. And also, yeah, other roads John

[7:28:38] Day is really concerning.

[7:28:40] Yeah, I'm glad that

[7:28:42] back in those are those two items are

[7:28:44] huge to be placed back in the budget.

[7:28:45] >> John Day and Blue Mountain are the

[7:28:46] » John Day and Blue Mountain are the

[7:28:46] priorities, right? Because that's what

[7:28:47] we we are we are required to fund those

[7:28:51] roads anyway.

[7:28:52] >> I do think we can get assistance. I

[7:28:54] » I do think we can get assistance. I

[7:28:54] truly do.

[7:28:55] >> John Day and the two intersections will

[7:28:57] » John Day and the two intersections will

[7:28:57] be huge to get those.

[7:28:58] >> Absolutely.

[7:29:02] » Okay. So, what do we need to do for

[7:29:03] 7.990?

[7:29:06] >> Well, before that, are we good with not

[7:29:08] » Well, before that, are we good with not

[7:29:08] taking anything out? We're leaving

[7:29:09] everything in. Nothing's coming back.

[7:29:10] Nothing's coming out.

[7:29:11] >> What I would want to take out, I don't

[7:29:12] » What I would want to take out, I don't

[7:29:12] think anybody else agrees. So, yes.

[7:29:14] Which is what

[7:29:14] >> she wants the 300 out. And I want the

[7:29:17] » she wants the 300 out. And I want the

[7:29:17] 180 out. So, I just got Let's Let's talk

[7:29:19] about it. I mean, does anybody else want

[7:29:21] the 180? If not, we'll leave it.

[7:29:22] >> What's the 180 again?

[7:29:23] » What's the 180 again?

[7:29:23] >> The park.

[7:29:24] » The park.

[7:29:24] >> Let me let me ask a question. I heard

[7:29:26] » Let me let me ask a question. I heard

[7:29:26] earlier you're going to take Hasslet

[7:29:28] Park out.

[7:29:29] >> We're trying to talk about that right

[7:29:30] » We're trying to talk about that right

[7:29:30] now.

[7:29:31] >> Oh, the two items I heard was Hasslet

[7:29:34] » Oh, the two items I heard was Hasslet

[7:29:34] Park and then the town hall 100,000.

[7:29:36] decided I think the town hall was going

[7:29:38] to stay in correct as a group.

[7:29:40] >> I hope so.

[7:29:40] » I hope so.

[7:29:40] >> I I mean I think so too. I mean thinking

[7:29:42] » I I mean I think so too. I mean thinking

[7:29:42] about it and

[7:29:44] >> so can I ask about the 300,000 because

[7:29:49] » they have 500,000 already right?

[7:29:52] >> We have allocated 500,000 in the general

[7:29:54] » We have allocated 500,000 in the general

[7:29:54] >> the 300 was not to get a bigger better

[7:29:58] » the 300 was not to get a bigger better

[7:29:58] park equipment. It was to do something

[7:30:00] different.

[7:30:00] >> No possibly.

[7:30:01] » No possibly.

[7:30:01] >> Possibly.

[7:30:01] » Possibly.

[7:30:01] >> Possibly. [snorts] But it was also for

[7:30:02] » Possibly. [snorts] But it was also for

[7:30:02] exercise equipment. They were want to

[7:30:04] get a grant or something like that. And

[7:30:05] so that that's kind of what that was

[7:30:06] for.

[7:30:07] >> Yeah. They were just they were just

[7:30:08] » Yeah. They were just they were just

[7:30:08] asking for that additional money as a um

[7:30:10] as a cushion is all.

[7:30:12] >> Well, let me let me ask you let me well

[7:30:15] » Well, let me let me ask you let me well

[7:30:15] make a comment. Think in terms of what

[7:30:18] is needed? I know we're moving ahead. We

[7:30:22] got to always move ahead. But which of

[7:30:25] these items is needed right now? And one

[7:30:28] the town hall thing. Um,

[7:30:31] you're probably looking at a $25 million

[7:30:35] project easily

[7:30:36] >> for what?

[7:30:37] » for what?

[7:30:37] >> For a town hall,

[7:30:38] » For a town hall,

[7:30:38] >> but but we're not

[7:30:39] » but but we're not

[7:30:40] >> But but let me let me finish. I know

[7:30:42] » But but let me let me finish. I know

[7:30:42] it's not what you want to hear.

[7:30:43] >> No, I'm saying we're not even we're not

[7:30:45] » No, I'm saying we're not even we're not

[7:30:45] building it.

[7:30:45] >> How does

[7:30:47] » How does

[7:30:47] building cost 25 million?

[7:30:49] >> $100,000

[7:30:50] » $100,000

[7:30:50] to go look.

[7:30:52] >> Okay.

[7:30:52] » Okay.

[7:30:52] >> So, I'm just saying you could put that

[7:30:54] » So, I'm just saying you could put that

[7:30:54] off another year.

[7:30:58] >> Not saying erase it. just put it off

[7:31:00] » Not saying erase it. just put it off

[7:31:00] another year. Um,

[7:31:02] >> but keep his library.

[7:31:03] » but keep his library.

[7:31:03] >> But likewise the um well, y'all have

[7:31:07] » But likewise the um well, y'all have

[7:31:07] erased the library. I understand that.

[7:31:10] You've erased the community event

[7:31:12] centers, but um some of this you there

[7:31:16] there's there's three prongs. You got

[7:31:18] what are all your tools to accomplish

[7:31:20] it? How low are you going to take your

[7:31:23] reserve?

[7:31:24] And what is needed on top of this? what

[7:31:27] what do I what I need this coming year

[7:31:29] to grow but address the necessities.

[7:31:32] >> So, could you finish what you were

[7:31:33] » So, could you finish what you were

[7:31:33] saying, Chris?

[7:31:36] >> Well, I just

[7:31:39] » Well, I just

[7:31:39] I know at one point this year there was

[7:31:41] a discussion about 800,000 from EDC to

[7:31:45] fund new park equipment.

[7:31:47] And now we have 500,000 from the park

[7:31:49] board and they're asking for another

[7:31:51] 300.

[7:31:53] But none of that is EDC money. It's all

[7:31:55] general fund money. Wait, do we have it

[7:31:58] double?

[7:31:58] >> I'm just trying to What?

[7:31:59] » I'm just trying to What?

[7:31:59] >> Do we have to double budget? Is that

[7:32:01] » Do we have to double budget? Is that

[7:32:01] what you're saying?

[7:32:01] >> No, I said EDC offered 300.

[7:32:04] » No, I said EDC offered 300.

[7:32:04] >> He said EDC has offered 800,000 for the

[7:32:07] » He said EDC has offered 800,000 for the

[7:32:07] new park and then the parks board is now

[7:32:08] saying we want to we want it 500 u but

[7:32:12] now we want an extra 300. And so he's

[7:32:14] saying but that's coming out of the

[7:32:15] general fund. And he's like we might as

[7:32:16] well just let the EDC pay for it and

[7:32:18] then not come out of our general fund.

[7:32:20] >> We just can't make the assumption that

[7:32:21] » We just can't make the assumption that

[7:32:21] the EDC is going to fund.

[7:32:23] >> I understand. I just I'm just still

[7:32:25] » I understand. I just I'm just still

[7:32:25] grieving a little bit that whole process

[7:32:26] blew up because we would not even have

[7:32:28] to be talking.

[7:32:29] >> We only have ourselves to blame for

[7:32:30] » We only have ourselves to blame for

[7:32:30] that. I mean I that's just but that it

[7:32:32] is what it is. Let's look forward and I

[7:32:34] I just if you want to lower it I'm okay

[7:32:36] lowering it a little bit. I think um

[7:32:38] they just want a little bit of in case

[7:32:40] the EDC decides that they that's not a

[7:32:42] project they want to move forward with.

[7:32:44] They're going to be funding it

[7:32:45] themselves. They want to make sure they

[7:32:46] have enough money if it goes over the

[7:32:47] 500,000. I think they really are trying

[7:32:49] to keep it at that that price point from

[7:32:52] what I heard listened on the meeting.

[7:32:54] Um, but I don't if you want to change it

[7:32:56] to 200 just so there's a little bit.

[7:32:58] >> I missed the last park board meeting so

[7:33:01] » I missed the last park board meeting so

[7:33:01] I

[7:33:01] >> I just watched it. I wasn't like

[7:33:02] » I just watched it. I wasn't like

[7:33:02] >> I don't want to speak to if they I know

[7:33:05] » I don't want to speak to if they I know

[7:33:05] they were looking at the 500. I know

[7:33:06] there's no guarantee and then they got

[7:33:08] to suggest.

[7:33:11] Do we think the HCEDC and do we think if

[7:33:14] we asked them to either way cover that

[7:33:19] that would be an issue?

[7:33:21] >> I I don't know. I just I just like

[7:33:23] » I I don't know. I just I just like

[7:33:23] having it in the general funding case if

[7:33:25] that's what we want to use that money on

[7:33:27] or that's what we want them using the

[7:33:29] money on. It needs to have a needs to be

[7:33:31] budgeted in case it's not picked up as a

[7:33:33] project. You can't budget on a hope

[7:33:36] >> and yeah, so we can take it down to

[7:33:39] » and yeah, so we can take it down to

[7:33:39] 200,000 and and I am in favor of taking

[7:33:42] off the House of Park pushing it out one

[7:33:44] more year.

[7:33:45] >> Okay.

[7:33:45] » Okay.

[7:33:46] >> But if that like I said, we need to talk

[7:33:47] » But if that like I said, we need to talk

[7:33:47] about those those two things.

[7:33:48] >> Both of those.

[7:33:49] » Both of those.

[7:33:49] >> When is the park board meeting?

[7:33:50] » When is the park board meeting?

[7:33:50] >> It's Wednesday.

[7:33:52] » It's Wednesday.

[7:33:52] >> This coming Wednesday.

[7:33:53] » This coming Wednesday.

[7:33:53] >> Yes, ma'am.

[7:33:54] » Yes, ma'am.

[7:33:54] >> Oh,

[7:33:55] » Oh,

[7:33:55] >> yeah.

[7:33:55] » yeah.

[7:33:56] >> That's what you're thinking. We would

[7:33:57] » That's what you're thinking. We would

[7:33:57] know what they're going to do.

[7:33:58] >> We would know before the 17th.

[7:34:00] » We would know before the 17th.

[7:34:00] >> We would.

[7:34:00] » We would.

[7:34:00] >> And could we get with HC? Could Joe get

[7:34:02] » And could we get with HC? Could Joe get

[7:34:02] with HCDC and see? I mean, I would

[7:34:06] >> they meet on

[7:34:07] » they meet on

[7:34:07] >> You would have to meet with their full

[7:34:08] » You would have to meet with their full

[7:34:08] board.

[7:34:09] >> Oh, is it all?

[7:34:11] » Oh, is it all?

[7:34:11] >> I keep thinking more further.

[7:34:13] » I keep thinking more further.

[7:34:13] >> But we would know if if they're if they

[7:34:15] » But we would know if if they're if they

[7:34:15] approve a $500,000 playground or

[7:34:17] $800,000 playground to recommend. We

[7:34:19] would know that after Wednesday. That's

[7:34:21] a good point.

[7:34:22] >> But all all the playgrounds that they

[7:34:23] » But all all the playgrounds that they

[7:34:23] brought forward a few weeks ago, the

[7:34:26] parks board did, the three that they

[7:34:28] narrowed it down to are all around

[7:34:29] 500,000. So they've not the parks

[7:34:32] they're looking at are not 800. They're

[7:34:35] all 500. They went from a big nice park

[7:34:38] playground towers down to something

[7:34:40] really small. So it's like they they

[7:34:42] shrunk they shrunk it down a lot.

[7:34:44] >> Let me make a suggestion please. Is take

[7:34:47] » Let me make a suggestion please. Is take

[7:34:47] the 300,000 out.

[7:34:52] If park board wants some additional

[7:34:56] money for a project then they can come

[7:35:00] to the city c the council needs to ask

[7:35:03] the EDC not a park board is park or EDC

[7:35:10] will you take this as a project fund

[7:35:12] this additional 300,000 for whatever

[7:35:14] that project is and they all go yes or

[7:35:17] no

[7:35:18] >> well so I think a middle ground sorry

[7:35:20] » well so I think a middle ground sorry

[7:35:20] mayor may I speak

[7:35:22] Okay, wonderful. The So, if they do pick

[7:35:25] a half a million dollar park, I think

[7:35:27] with contingency and stuff, maybe they'd

[7:35:29] need about$100,000 because I have a

[7:35:31] feeling it might be slightly over. But

[7:35:33] if they go with, here's the thing,

[7:35:35] they're bringing their recommendations

[7:35:36] to us. HCEDC has already given us a

[7:35:39] recommendation. So, say the parks board

[7:35:41] goes for the half million dollar one and

[7:35:42] HCEDC says, "Hey, we'll pay for this

[7:35:44] $800,000 one." Council still gets to

[7:35:46] decide. We can go with the big one and

[7:35:48] HCDC funds it or we can go with the

[7:35:50] smaller one that the parks board decides

[7:35:52] and have a little bit of money put to

[7:35:54] the side for them. We don't need the

[7:35:56] >> That's true. Or we just use the $500,000

[7:35:57] » That's true. Or we just use the $500,000

[7:35:57] that the EDC's already said they were

[7:35:59] going to spend.

[7:36:00] >> Aren't we funding the 500,000 from the

[7:36:02] » Aren't we funding the 500,000 from the

[7:36:02] parks no matter what? Because the parks

[7:36:04] didn't have $500,000 in their budget.

[7:36:05] >> It's HC. I thought was

[7:36:07] » It's HC. I thought was

[7:36:07] >> do what?

[7:36:08] » do what?

[7:36:08] >> It's already here.

[7:36:09] » It's already here.

[7:36:09] >> Okay. Well, I'm saying we're funding it,

[7:36:11] » Okay. Well, I'm saying we're funding it,

[7:36:11] not the par. It's not coming out of the

[7:36:12] It's not fun out of fund 15. It's coming

[7:36:14] out of our So

[7:36:15] >> we're fun. So, if the parks board says

[7:36:17] » we're fun. So, if the parks board says

[7:36:17] we want a $500 $500,000 park, the

[7:36:21] general fund's funding that, not the

[7:36:22] parks board. I just want to clarify

[7:36:24] that.

[7:36:24] >> Butc is reimbursing. Didn't they say

[7:36:27] » Butc is reimbursing. Didn't they say

[7:36:27] they're covering that park?

[7:36:29] >> Well,

[7:36:30] » Well,

[7:36:30] >> no, the 5 the 500,000 is covered by them

[7:36:33] » no, the 5 the 500,000 is covered by them

[7:36:33] no matter what.

[7:36:34] >> The 500,000 was already passed from a

[7:36:35] » The 500,000 was already passed from a

[7:36:36] resolution a couple months ago. The

[7:36:37] additional 300 is what they're asking

[7:36:40] for.

[7:36:40] >> The 500,000 is paid by the HCDC no

[7:36:42] » The 500,000 is paid by the HCDC no

[7:36:42] matter what. That was approved. It's the

[7:36:45] additional.

[7:36:46] >> What if we dropped it to 150? What if we

[7:36:48] » What if we dropped it to 150? What if we

[7:36:48] just cut it in half?

[7:36:49] >> It's not if they want to pay for the

[7:36:50] » It's not if they want to pay for the

[7:36:50] park. HCEDC already agreed to pay that

[7:36:52] half a million. That is a done deal. The

[7:36:55] question is the rest.

[7:36:57] HCEDC, even if we go with the park's

[7:36:59] recommendation for the half a million

[7:37:00] dollars, HCEDC will have to pay that

[7:37:02] half million.

[7:37:03] >> Or what about this? We have they already

[7:37:06] » Or what about this? We have they already

[7:37:06] had the 500,000. We have a contingency

[7:37:08] fund. We also have EDC as an option. I

[7:37:12] think we could take off the 300,000

[7:37:15] and just like you said have them bring

[7:37:17] the but the the proposal and see what

[7:37:21] the proposal comes out to and then we

[7:37:23] can make a decision like if we need to

[7:37:25] ask EDC to cover a little bit or if we

[7:37:27] need to maybe pull a little bit about

[7:37:29] out of contingency or something part was

[7:37:31] for that exercise pad if they don't get

[7:37:33] the grant they wanted to have the monies

[7:37:34] available for that as well.

[7:37:35] >> Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't

[7:37:37] » Yeah. You know, I don't know. I don't

[7:37:37] know the cost of that.

[7:37:38] >> But maybe they do that next year because

[7:37:40] » But maybe they do that next year because

[7:37:40] that that they don't have to do it at

[7:37:41] the same time. Right.

[7:37:42] >> Right. So, they asked for like one thing

[7:37:45] » Right. So, they asked for like one thing

[7:37:45] and

[7:37:45] >> and we save for the one thing.

[7:37:47] » and we save for the one thing.

[7:37:47] >> Well, we we're still giving them 500,000

[7:37:48] » Well, we we're still giving them 500,000

[7:37:48] though.

[7:37:49] >> That was last year.

[7:37:53] » That was last year.

[7:37:53] >> They didn't give us at all an estimate

[7:37:54] » They didn't give us at all an estimate

[7:37:54] on the cost.

[7:37:55] >> What is the 300,000 ask? What is it for?

[7:37:59] » What is the 300,000 ask? What is it for?

[7:37:59] The parks board meeting was for in case

[7:38:01] the the parks playground bids came in a

[7:38:05] little bit over their bud over budget of

[7:38:06] 500 and for a exercise

[7:38:11] pad.

[7:38:12] >> Oh, I I introduced them to that.

[7:38:14] » Oh, I I introduced them to that.

[7:38:14] >> Well, good. It was uh

[7:38:16] » Well, good. It was uh

[7:38:16] >> and there's a grant that I think Miss

[7:38:17] » and there's a grant that I think Miss

[7:38:17] Nimbu said she was applying for um but

[7:38:20] she just wasn't sure. So, how much So,

[7:38:22] what is the cost on that? What is the

[7:38:24] cost?

[7:38:24] >> What?

[7:38:25] » What?

[7:38:25] >> You said you introduced it so he'll know

[7:38:26] » You said you introduced it so he'll know

[7:38:26] the cost. Well, I I just introduced the

[7:38:28] I don't know the cost. They didn't get

[7:38:30] into it, but it's a lowlevel

[7:38:33] grant persist. They call it a grant. Uh

[7:38:37] it's a private concern through uh

[7:38:41] um Baylor Scott and White and or Blue

[7:38:44] Shield. I think Blue Shield, they offer

[7:38:47] that as well.

[7:38:49] um for a

[7:38:56] say uh $250,000

[7:38:59] exercise.

[7:39:00] >> $250,000. Okay, that's

[7:39:01] » $250,000. Okay, that's

[7:39:02] >> I I'm No, I don't know that. I'm just

[7:39:04] » I I'm No, I don't know that. I'm just

[7:39:04] saying for example, no, I do not know

[7:39:06] how much they cost

[7:39:08] >> that they they would only this grant is

[7:39:10] » that they they would only this grant is

[7:39:10] only good for about 25,000. Okay,

[7:39:13] >> it's a very low ratio. And a quick

[7:39:15] » it's a very low ratio. And a quick

[7:39:15] search shows that like um a park Olympic

[7:39:18] spirit fitness course about 27,000. This

[7:39:21] is not including install. So the

[7:39:22] equipment's about 25,000. I think if we

[7:39:24] put a h 100,000 and just wait to see. I

[7:39:27] mean I think

[7:39:28] >> I'm good with that.

[7:39:28] » I'm good with that.

[7:39:28] >> 100,000.

[7:39:29] » 100,000.

[7:39:29] >> Dropping that to 100,000. Everybody okay

[7:39:31] » Dropping that to 100,000. Everybody okay

[7:39:31] with that?

[7:39:31] >> Sure.

[7:39:31] » Sure.

[7:39:32] >> And then what about the house lit park?

[7:39:34] » And then what about the house lit park?

[7:39:34] >> 180,000.

[7:39:35] » 180,000.

[7:39:35] >> That's your call. It's your

[7:39:36] » That's your call. It's your

[7:39:36] neighborhood.

[7:39:36] >> Yeah. I feel like that's

[7:39:37] » Yeah. I feel like that's

[7:39:37] >> I I feel like it can be pushed out one

[7:39:39] » I I feel like it can be pushed out one

[7:39:39] year.

[7:39:39] >> Okay.

[7:39:40] » Okay.

[7:39:40] >> Zach.

[7:39:43] » No. What do we what

[7:39:44] >> that that's the 180 for engineering and

[7:39:47] » that that's the 180 for engineering and

[7:39:47] design. Correct.

[7:39:48] >> Correct.

[7:39:48] » Correct.

[7:39:48] >> Now you

[7:39:49] » Now you

[7:39:49] >> So you but you did up your repair.

[7:39:52] » So you but you did up your repair.

[7:39:52] >> Yes. They already they already increased

[7:39:54] » Yes. They already they already increased

[7:39:54] otherwise

[7:39:55] >> taken care of.

[7:39:56] » taken care of.

[7:39:56] >> So is the 180 is that for the repairs or

[7:39:58] » So is the 180 is that for the repairs or

[7:39:58] what's the 180 for?

[7:40:00] >> 180 was engineering design for the

[7:40:02] » 180 was engineering design for the

[7:40:02] >> I think we can push that because we're

[7:40:03] » I think we can push that because we're

[7:40:03] pushing that back. We're pushing the

[7:40:05] we're pushing that.

[7:40:08] >> Look at us [laughter] agreeing. Go

[7:40:09] » Look at us [laughter] agreeing. Go

[7:40:10] ahead, Zach. I'm excited that we're

[7:40:11] agreeing. Go ahead. Well, Doug would be

[7:40:13] giving us the the the bad look over

[7:40:16] there. But I mean, I think if we want to

[7:40:18] push if we're pushing the other stuff

[7:40:20] like talked back earlier, then we can

[7:40:22] start doing engineering next year or

[7:40:24] something like that. But, um, I was

[7:40:26] thinking this 180 was about the the

[7:40:29] band-aids that we want to keep doing to

[7:40:31] our to our street. That's fun.

[7:40:33] >> Okay. I don't want to cut the band-aids

[7:40:34] » Okay. I don't want to cut the band-aids

[7:40:34] off.

[7:40:36] >> And um, the cost is between$100 and

[7:40:38] » And um, the cost is between$100 and

[7:40:38] $200,000. I just um inquired from the

[7:40:41] parks board chair. So that's how much

[7:40:43] those exercise path

[7:40:44] >> 100 to 200,000.

[7:40:46] » 100 to 200,000.

[7:40:46] >> So does that mean that Mike Anderson's

[7:40:47] » So does that mean that Mike Anderson's

[7:40:47] not going to work on our neighborhood

[7:40:48] anymore? like they're done doing

[7:40:51] surveying and all this stuff.

Special Meeting City Council - 08 Aug 2026

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