[0:14] All right. Good evening. No, I'll cancel members are here tonight. Let's move on to 3.0 minutes of previous meeting. February 4, 2019, regular session.

[0:37] Motion approved the minutes.

[0:41] I have a motion to have a second.

[0:45] I'm sorry.

[0:46] All right.

[0:46] I have a motion from Terry.

[0:48] The second from Bill.

[0:49] All those in favor say aye.

[0:51] Aye.

[0:52] Opposed.

[0:53] Motion carried.

[0:54] Aye.

[0:55] All right.

[0:56] Let's move on to be February 4th, 2019 work session.

[1:01] I have a motion.

[1:03] I'll do a providence.

[1:05] And do I have a second?

[1:07] Also again, I have a motion from Robert and a second from Amanda, all those in favor say I, I oppose motion carried.

[1:16] Let's move to 4.0 to set the agenda. Good evening, Tom.

[1:20] Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council. We have one addition that was added on our consent agenda.

[1:25] It is application for one day consumption.

[1:28] liquor license for St. John's living event that they just, we just got an application

[1:33] like lately last week and we had that tonight and I didn't think we didn't feel

[1:37] that it would be a controversial issue so we added to the consent agenda.

[1:42] Do you think St. John's liquor?

[1:44] Yeah, it's a one day liquor consumption.

[1:46] I'm sure you find it in the event that they have.

[1:54] Are you doing a promotion to set the agenda anymore?

[1:57] And they just call it me.

[2:04] I'll make a motion, is it the agenda with the addition of our consent agenda item E, one big consumption liquor waste and the same drugs?

[2:14] I'll second it.

[2:15] I have a motion from Terry and a second from Robert, any discussion?

[2:19] All those in favor say aye?

[2:21] Aye.

[2:22] Opposed?

[2:23] Motion carried.

[2:24] Let's move on now to five point all public comment.

[2:28] First is a Stephen Jensen.

[2:31] And you'll update on community and record programs in this search.

[2:36] Good evening.

[2:37] Good evening everybody.

[2:41] First off, I need you for having me here.

[2:43] It's great to finally be here and see everybody.

[2:46] I know that's some of you.

[3:39] So again, thank you for a lobby to come here and kind of talk about

[3:44] my position here at 3 a.m.

[3:48] and recreation.

[3:50] So as you guys have known, we have gone through quite a bit of

[3:53] in the last seven months or so, by self being very new to your couple of ten plus years of programming, which brings pretty many people.

[4:05] We have a new added system, new to the position, and we've been working in these years throughout Jamie, which is great for us enough to have at our front desk there to serve.

[4:15] We have facilities assistance, and Laura Shees now doing all of our facility rentals, including parks.

[4:26] I believe that's everything.

[4:28] We have updated our facilities policy as well.

[4:31] Before I got here, we're going to actually work in the process right now.

[4:34] We're going to do things to add to our policy that we're going to be like.

[4:39] And then we're going to hang there.

[4:46] So we're getting right to the numbers.

[4:49] This has been a very, very exciting time for me to come.

[4:52] Just kind of look at the numbers and begin to what's happened in the past.

[4:56] This is a very, very healthy community.

[4:59] And we just serve this.

[5:01] And as you can see, the numbers keep climbing in all aspects from the worships.

[5:11] Especially, you know, the families, annual memberships, our student annual memberships are not quite a bit with an after school type program.

[5:26] And one thing to know is the family and packages, those are kind of the time.

[5:35] So if it's a family report, it actually comes as a month.

[5:38] We actually have over 4,000 members on the part of the research.

[5:44] Really awesome, given the population of our community,

[5:47] we're also great in people from outside.

[5:52] I know that's the really, really bold days, a couple weeks ago, we had, we stayed open,

[6:00] and we had people over 200 people a day, told them about it, I'm off.

[6:05] So we know this is a great place and people are using it.

[6:15] But into the circuit budget, this is just the circuit only.

[6:20] One thing to note is the 2000s, this is fiscal year,

[6:23] school year, school year 2017, which is July 1st, 2017 through 2018.

[6:38] One thing I know is, you

[6:39] know, most of the salary benefits, we are starting to get into wear and tear of exercise equipment.

[6:47] It's been, I think, for four plus years and we're talking to the point first.

[6:52] Some repairs need to be made.

[6:55] I've made a few repairs on somebody who put men and tribunals.

[6:57] They're going to eventually start to wear down and so I'm just painting that coming up.

[7:02] It's been a big thank for us.

[7:06] And, you know, I'm looking at purchasing a little bit more from it to expand the opportunities

[7:11] that are happening.

[7:13] As far as like groups, classes, we're going to inventory.

[7:15] You're possibly going to have to spend a class happening.

[7:19] It's a really open enough to do more options happening.

[7:25] Our youth recreation numbers, I have split this up into two

[7:29] ampers and that I will split more than that in the next page, but it is

[7:36] basically the reason why I had done it is because since I've got here there's

[7:43] been different ways of tracking numbers of sport and recreation and actually

[7:48] our youth recreation and adult recreation use enrichment and adult

[7:54] track all the numbers that we're happening. So this is how we're able to do it and to see

[8:00] that we've had over 2,500 people, you know, young kids involved in our programming and

[8:05] self scanning. Me personally coming from Virksville, which is a lot higher population, but also

[8:13] a different demographic. It was hard to get as many kids involved in our programming.

[8:23] So we

[8:26] As you can see, you know, the city contribution is a huge part of our program.

[8:33] And this is financial starting from July of 1st of 2018 to January 30th of 19th.

[8:43] Since I've started in October, I've gone back just through the fiscal year,

[8:53] it's coded. So youth records now quoted, or is tracks separately from adult records, as well

[9:02] as youth enrichment and adult enrichment. This way I can track no matter, and I can actually

[9:09] see the ups and downs of where things are working, where the network came in as opposed

[9:12] to one big, kind of hot in your statement. Just one of the things that I like to do with

[9:18] understand how well it goes.

[9:23] One thing, supplies equipment in this, we had a lot of supplies

[9:28] per equipment for the bulk of this past year that we're either purchased or replacing it

[9:37] with equipment that was out of date. Every year we have descended from the bottom of us to be

[9:54] So,

[9:58] so let me just very fast come on.

[10:00] By talking about the exercise equipment, maintenance group placement, some of the

[10:07] south side of the

[10:08] to protect a little big glass,

[10:26] we don't think it is.

[10:30] We are currently having changes going up over some of the speakers that are missing,

[10:34] seeing some of them have broken loose with balls in them,

[10:37] and those are, you know, 15, 12 speakers that are not something I don't want all in on everybody.

[10:43] So for safety reasons, we have had changes built that will be come from the ceiling to protect those.

[10:51] Just upkeep, we're in terms of facility, and every place in the age you've written,

[10:57] we've been, and we've been to baseball after I'm going to find more and more,

[11:01] but then that probably needs to be updated.

[11:04] But the old we went into this, you know, this next year,

[11:08] increased facility for fitness opportunities.

[11:11] I have, probably, called fitness on a man, and we're going to be looking at

[11:15] three of these classes that's going to be in a spark area, it's hard to find

[11:19] enough instructors that are trained and certified in multiple areas, where this is

[11:24] something that you can actually street them on that multi-purpose room

[11:27] director, and this way we can offer this thing to class, we can hire a real training.

[11:33] A lot of different options that we've actually been looking for in blood out from our members

[11:38] that we've got a Facebook page actually this morning.

[11:41] So, this way, this has an office for us to have four or three

[11:46] in terms of which it takes the process that we can invest our time in.

[11:52] Continuing to increase the memberships, I would love to see this

[11:54] continuing to increase, although I know the population, and I'm sure we're

[11:57] going to have a plateau at some point, but increasing to outside communities as well,

[12:05] you know, those cold days we have people from about plant

[12:08] their families because we're the ones who don't know that so I'm really highly

[12:12] involved in having to try to do what I'm just as well.

[12:18] And then I expand on recreation opportunities for you and adult.

[12:23] I'd like to see more adults opportunities going on.

[12:26] So slowly trying to find out what people want to do

[12:30] and provide those opportunities for everybody to do.

[12:37] Thank you.

[12:39] Any questions?

[12:41] You have comfortable chair?

[12:43] I have a couple of questions.

[12:44] Welcome.

[12:45] This is a great report.

[12:47] Thank you.

[12:48] I did have a couple of questions.

[12:50] I love the idea of the online classes.

[12:52] By the way, I think that's more classes.

[12:54] You can offer that.

[12:55] That's incredible.

[12:56] That's a much cost effective way of doing it.

[12:59] I have a question in the financial side of it.

[13:01] In the very beginning, you talked about it.

[13:03] I believe it was like $67,000 in that at the end.

[13:07] You kind of want to, is that do you put some aside for future use or do you have any say and how much of that you get to keep in a fund or does it go back into the school budget?

[13:17] Into the great pot of the school or I guess we want to know how that.

[13:21] No, actually communication has a separate pot.

[13:25] I'll tell you the actual difference.

[13:29] And so, my role was, which would be probably to keep some of it,

[13:33] besides the possible facility maintenance that we're going to have

[13:36] come up, different equipment costs that are going to come up with you.

[13:43] Where terrible access has to go with that we have.

[13:47] But my ideal is to, whatever money that we bring in is to dump it back into

[13:53] to read

[13:56] as that's where the lead is and why not.

[14:00] Because that's what I would hope from here.

[14:02] I want to see all that state there and also to plan for a future,

[14:07] because eventually you're going to need to floor.

[14:09] And that's more than one year's budget can handle.

[14:13] We have plans with our facility in the many of the policy curve facility.

[14:19] We've actually researched quite a bit of this year.

[14:22] This was something that we used to practice this last year.

[14:24] Okay, and I like the idea of the curtain,

[14:26] by the way, I was at a C-Squad basketball game there.

[14:28] It was the first time I've ever seen a girl

[14:30] miss a ball at a basketball game because of Sun.

[14:33] It completely went right over her head,

[14:35] don't, because the Sun's going right down through there.

[14:38] So, okay, thank you.

[14:40] I mean, I have a couple of questions.

[14:42] One was looking at the last couple of years

[14:44] in her membership numbers.

[14:45] What do you think it jumped so much in 2017 to 2018?

[14:49] I think it's a different thing here, I don't know.

[14:51] I don't know that. I can answer that. I don't know. It's just more, you know, I don't know, I don't know.

[15:08] What about child care options?

[15:12] So we had child care options, sorry that each group to our early child education,

[15:22] we do offer one class to go with class that we have for child care.

[15:27] on the side, the one thing is space can be a, you know, a problem with only that one multi-purpose room,

[15:35] where the space is smaller, you know, the question is, what do you have to have to talk to anyone outside?

[15:41] It's an idea that I've had to, that I'm not going to explore and try to find a way to offer more child care for the evening time,

[15:50] There are people getting to go and work out.

[15:52] You can see me playing.

[15:57] Joint powers proposed that a couple of years ago.

[16:00] And they tried it.

[16:01] And they looked for volunteers.

[16:03] And that didn't really work out.

[16:04] We didn't go out of volunteers.

[16:07] So asking people to volunteer to watch kids for people that were going to work out.

[16:13] Did not pan out.

[16:15] It just didn't get enough steam to work out.

[16:18] I think the one thing that works during the yoga's happens is it's a 3, 4, 5, and go in.

[16:24] And so we have two services that run as step on at the time, plus Jamie still there, so it's a bit of a challenge.

[16:31] Jeff?

[16:33] Um, I had five questions and three of them already asked.

[16:37] Um, thank you.

[16:40] Yeah.

[16:40] One thing that didn't cut my, I was, I mean, the membership basically doubled in one year, and that just,

[16:46] that's unheard of. So I don't understand if it's maybe an accounting from old stuff to new stuff.

[16:52] I don't know, obviously, you don't either. I mean, it definitely got my attention.

[16:58] I saw that too, and I don't know how much number I can't accurately...

[17:07] This isn't going to be used in how members were put in, because I wouldn't have to do what I was done in the past.

[17:13] Or if these numbers are wrong, I mean, we don't know, but it's just jumped out of me as being really odd.

[17:21] One thing I do see missing off of the revenue side for the circus, you have memberships and you have city contribution,

[17:28] but I don't see rentals.

[17:31] What's there any rental revenue?

[17:35] We do have some rental revenue, and it's now all being tracked for our business portion.

[17:43] We're going to invite you to post for just a silly part.

[17:45] I can pull out a separate to welcome all of that purpose room was rented for the gender rented for.

[17:52] I didn't mean that.

[17:56] Because once part time we were told when this thing was built that there are going to be thousands

[18:01] and tens of thousands of dollars of revenue from rentals.

[18:05] And so when I didn't see any rentals, I was curious about that.

[18:11] I can tell you that since I've been here, we have doubled our rentals from the previous year.

[18:19] The amount or the dollars.

[18:23] So we had close to $10,000 that even a year ago.

[18:29] And since I've been here, we're over 20,000.

[18:33] And that's due to the implementation policy.

[18:37] I'd like to see that as a line at maybe next time

[18:39] if you could do so.

[18:41] And then what are the other things I was looking

[18:44] here under your youth, the wreck?

[18:49] What would $21,000 were the consulting buy?

[18:58] Coaches, YNCA, Cance, any sports case that we offer during the summer is all of these.

[19:08] Okay, so it's just the way it's.

[19:13] Okay, it's in structure, isn't

[19:17] it?

[19:17] Okay, but isn't that offset by the fees of the charged for those classes?

[19:24] Yes.

[19:25] And I would say since I started, it's a change a lot of it.

[19:31] I had a question for Tom, so I know in years past, when we were trying to get numbers

[19:37] to line up, you and me, it's probably where we

[19:43] were saying that, you know, you were provided

[19:45] that enough sufficient detail to understand what was going on with the numbers essentially.

[19:50] Are you getting that now or is that something you need to continue to work on?

[19:54] because we've been asking for it for two years

[19:56] and at some point of time, I have a hard time throwing fish.

[20:04] No,

[20:07] no, I feel this is what we were looking for. Is that what the council feels?

[20:14] Outside of the revenue for the rental.

[20:16] I mean, yeah, because that was always a listing, that was always the promise that was made,

[20:22] you know, when this thing was accepted and I want to make sure that that number is reflected

[20:25] because we were told that that was going to pay for itself and all kinds of things we were told

[20:34] and I just would like to see it if it's true false or not.

[20:39] But it is that our joint ours agreement that controls the wording of the foreign issue and that type of stuff.

[20:46] Yeah, I want to say that foreign might have been outside of that.

[20:49] But we haven't, before Steve and Tickle were me and Nate were talking about how we would

[20:56] finance any equipment, what we would do with how much the revenues are, what they're

[21:02] charging and how much the city is contributing.

[21:05] And we've yet to meet on that.

[21:10] All things being equal, I mean, this is a huge improvement over prior years.

[21:17] So I don't know these numbers are right. No, I'm going to take you for that. You're worth it. They are you know I'm just saying

[21:24] But it's it's amazing. So I

[21:27] Was they at you conference for these years that I do know that the current year those numbers are at

[21:38] Something to to remind you that we always discussed membership fees and we don't want to

[21:46] As drawing powers, create the fees so large that families can't use it, and so you gotta remember how we offset it.

[21:57] But even jumping from the numbers from 2016-2017-2018, you know, we haven't creased the fees for the membership.

[22:05] Not a lot, but enough for each subset. So we do talk about that.

[22:11] We do talk about their equipment and where it's going to be spent and it's not someone

[22:16] just saying, I'm going to buy all this equipment.

[22:18] It's a lot of consideration and talking about them for it.

[22:23] I guess I, hmm, how I view all out of this from the beginning and now is, I see the circus

[22:28] is not necessarily a money maker and I'm not looking for you to make money.

[22:33] I'm looking.

[22:33] That's why I keep in membership down so that it provides an amenity and a service for

[22:38] that everybody in the community can use.

[22:40] That's why visually.

[22:41] And the money you do me make, obviously I prefer being like me, is I want every penny back into it.

[22:47] I don't want, I'm not asking for it back to the city because I wanted to go back into the,

[22:52] sort to make it a better thing for everybody.

[22:54] So, that's what that's my view on.

[22:58] I'd ready to get to the cashboying.

[23:02] You got the numbers last year because last year,

[23:08] with $10,000 with our 50 that they were showing us,

[23:11] deposit column, which is here, you had had 17,000.

[23:39] Question, is it the same families and individuals every year

[23:43] that continue to re-upper?

[23:45] Does it feel like it's different?

[23:46] I don't know if you keep track of that at all,

[23:48] but these numbers.

[23:51] Would that be something to keep track of, or I don't know who you are?

[23:56] I think you can track new members just for a few days later.

[23:59] Thank you very much.

[24:03] The rental fees that you would see for rental,

[24:06] is that they would serve funders that go in the district fund.

[24:10] So it goes into the QV education fund, but I can separate it out based on what space was granted.

[24:19] So you're rental for years for the search was not going to the general school fund.

[24:26] So that's all item-wise, mine, separate the kept separate from the general school fund.

[24:30] If you're charging equal risk, no matter what sport they

[24:38] follow in our facility policy.

[24:40] And so we have a tier you follow and do school districts,

[24:47] sports.

[24:48] They're in a rental fee, but they're different tiers on here.

[24:50] People follow in as far as in association, not profit, or profit, and product.

[24:57] So I can join them up by one of them.

[25:33] That's part of the school.

[25:43] Thank you, Stephen, for coming.

[25:45] Thank you.

[25:46] Thank you.

[25:48] Thank you.

[25:49] Thank you.

[25:51] Thank you.

[25:55] All right.

[25:55] So we're still in public comment.

[25:58] Let's go to the public and if anyone wants to come to the podium, stage your name, your address.

[26:05] And you have three minutes to state your concern.

[26:08] I

[26:17] know that it's 8.353 place, and I also have about 3.12 e-secretary contours

[26:23] from the legs of the main section of the town.

[26:25] I'm here to talk about, I had a 10-point on the planners report.

[26:29] I have a resolution for gravel park along the C2 section of the town.

[26:36] I'll try to make this quick, but what we have for me is the section of the town.

[26:40] It's been a little blank for 15 years as a gravel park in line.

[26:45] And I will get an additional two years with potentially not two years after that.

[26:49] So in perpetuity, we can have the ground apart in another compound.

[26:52] I mean, there's such a majority.

[26:54] With all the work that we've seen happen,

[26:58] downtown, the brewery, and the critique, and other things,

[27:01] and other potential things come on, and they're facing things up.

[27:05] I just think that this intersection, something should happen,

[27:08] shouldn't you claim that this is sort of a slap in the face

[27:11] that everybody has been approving their properties.

[27:13] We've got one of the set for 15 years.

[27:16] Hopes and promises to be well-bred in those previous

[27:19] of this product, you know,

[27:21] you know, read the face of the building,

[27:23] what's in the green space that we saw here,

[27:24] is everything that I saw people who were

[27:26] who we, and all the new years all the time, right?

[27:29] You know, we'll probably talk about it.

[27:31] It's just one thing happening here,

[27:33] just another one, sitting before you tonight.

[27:36] And I would like to request that you

[27:38] consider putting a tighter time on this,

[27:40] that of us not, if it's not done,

[27:42] I don't know if you can do anything to save that, and it's something I'm painting.

[27:45] It's been in the 15 years.

[27:47] It's been traveling.

[27:48] You've got a route.

[27:49] It's like when you reach in all the street, in case I'm just going to try to make this route,

[27:53] I'm just going to say, you know, a special maintenance route,

[27:56] but when you reach in all the street, and the alleyways,

[28:02] please consider putting a little pattern of streetings from all that people.

[28:06] Thank you.

[28:09] Anyone else from the public, I'd like to come to the podium.

[28:16] see and let's move forward to administrators or for good evening time.

[28:25] Good evening.

[28:28] I don't mean it. It must have a lot of pages to it because it's taking a long time to bring up on my computer.

[28:35] But basically this would be the next step in the process for interchanged at once,

[28:50] as a partnership and cooperation with Midna, it's going to come.

[28:57] The next step we were approached by Scott County,

[29:01] the year marked funds in the sales tax.

[29:05] See if he planted the hell direction and to help us pay for the next step in the phase,

[29:14] which throughout the entire process.

[29:17] So throughout the entire process, we knew that that wasn't that

[29:21] and all the design work for an interchange.

[29:25] That was the first step for us to kind of kind of kind of,

[29:30] some consensus with the end of the Scott County.

[29:34] So that's why that was beneficial.

[29:36] But we needed to do a lot more work

[29:40] for environmental design work to be able to be applied

[29:44] for federal funding and be considered to be a federal fund.

[29:48] And that's what this work and the attached information would provide for us.

[29:55] The timeline is in there would take roughly year to complete.

[30:00] We have a bid proposal for Kimley Hornets attached and a resolution supporting the reasons for the design work and the environmental work to be done.

[30:19] The great part of this is that the financial risk to the city is not there to do this, to do this work done.

[30:27] But in the past, we've had some, we've had some pointed discussions on what part of the answers weren't answered in the first part of the process.

[30:36] The great part of this is that we are going to get some of the answers done as part of this work.

[30:42] We'll do a lot more of design work to show the views from the road.

[30:46] We'll get a lot more of the work that we'll show staging of the potential staging of a construction project.

[30:54] What more and death we had, how different science trucks and automobiles and that to the thing we'll go through, the designs, so a lot of the work in a huge amount of environmental work and right away a type of things.

[31:14] So you will get to some of the answers that some of us might have felt that we did not get in the first part but the first part was never intended to get all those answers.

[31:24] The design conceptual work was to accommodate a feasible design.

[31:31] So this is the next step in that, once we have this project done.

[31:35] This is successful. We'll kind of pin point down to more final on the design and we'll be

[31:44] applying for a final product. We're very hopeful that we would be very competitive for

[31:52] even funding applications. Once this work is done, because we have a great working relationship

[31:59] with Scott County and MinDot working together on this type of design of interchange helps us

[32:07] greatly to work with them to use them to help us apply for funding. So if we want an interchange

[32:14] someday in Georgia at 1692, Carl Knight, this is the next step that's vital for us to do.

[32:20] And we're able to do that right now. We'll tell Scott County on the next side of the agenda.

[32:25] would be the funding of that.

[32:29] I shall make a motion to approve resolution

[32:30] 2,619, 2019, authorizing the mayor

[32:34] and top to enter an agreement for the preliminary design.

[32:39] I will second that motion.

[32:41] So have a motion from Jeremy and a second from here.

[32:44] Any discussion from the council?

[32:51] What?

[32:51] I don't know who's making the presentation,

[32:54] but what happens with,

[32:57] let's hypothetically say,

[32:58] halfway through this process or something,

[33:00] You know, one of the parts of the scope that's included in this resolution, which is the

[33:05] next part, which is the same part, is that they're going to interview at least eight stake

[33:11] holders in this hypothetically, what happens if six or seven of the stake holders absolutely

[33:17] imposed this, will we be given that information and or at that point time are we able to change

[33:26] directions if that's deep necessary.

[33:31] Yes, he'll be given all the information.

[33:33] We're not going to withhold any information from any of those discussions that we

[33:38] have in his statement.

[33:42] And if the counsel still has, as a point,

[33:48] so,

[33:48] to just direction, I must ask.

[33:51] I know I'm just looking at this.

[33:54] I'm trying not to waste money.

[33:56] Even though it's 90 hours, I mean, 800 grand or 600 grand, it's a lot of money.

[34:01] You know, it is all a money, one shape way from another.

[34:07] You know, so I guess my second part of the question is that hypothetically, if that were the case,

[34:13] if the people on industrial park were 100% against this,

[34:17] how much this information would be useful for a different design?

[34:21] I mean, wetland delineations are still going to take place with either whatever concepts that

[34:30] we have looked at in the past, I am assuming, other than the specifics about a bridge

[34:37] design or something like that there should be some stuff that could be carried over that.

[34:44] Yeah, absolutely.

[34:45] I'm sure we can't say for certain that at the end of this that we won't scrap the design that we've looked at before, one or one, but what we do feels that we'll come to.

[35:00] More firm conclusion that, yeah, that's the way to go or not. That vast is a question. I can't guarantee that the bill will come to that conclusion that that is the design, because we're looking at all those designs and the under this, but we're more in deficit looking at design one, so to speak. So a lot of this stuff will be reusable. Or work for all the designs we looked at.

[35:25] Okay, I didn't read all 270 pages, no, because I got to about page 60 and then it would reload on me, so I didn't get the read them all, so that's why I'm asking some of these questions that answers may be in there, but I just wasn't able to dig that deep, so that being said, so this is going to be looking primarily on one A, on some of the aspects, some of the aspects it would be uniform on all those designs.

[35:55] a lot a lot of the information will be basically on a lot on all the designs because they're fair

[36:01] of the similar in the footprint area.

[36:07] There's some minor changes here all within the same

[36:10] year within the same fall. Oh, yeah, they're all within the what do we call it for the effects? No,

[36:15] what was that period that we did? Maddie, that we know the mapping. The footprint? They're all within

[36:22] that mapping area. So yeah, you're correct. All the designs do. They're all in the impossible planning zone.

[36:28] in the possible finds. Okay.

[36:33] There's a bit of motion, but second.

[36:35] Didn't does any other council members say?

[36:38] Discussion.

[36:39] I don't ever look at that as a last move.

[36:41] We gotta move forward so, so, so, my hat is what's written straight away.

[36:45] All right, so we have a motion in the second.

[36:48] All those in favor say aye.

[36:50] Aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye.

[36:53] Motion carried.

[36:55] Let's move on to be resolution to 7.

[36:58] In 2018, we should have proven a Scott Coney cooperative agreement with 169, interchange, design and environmental documentation work.

[37:08] Well, if you like 6A, you're really going to like 6B because this pays for 6A.

[37:14] Scott Coney has been good enough to work with us on potential funding of that design work that would be done approved by the council of previous item.

[37:22] And we'd like to fake them at this time if this is approved for helping us with the next phase of this interchange of design and environmental documentation.

[37:34] I'd like to make a motion.

[37:36] We pass resolution to 0207-2007-2007 with the letter of thank you.

[37:44] All right.

[37:44] I have a motion from Terry in the second from Robert in the discussion.

[37:51] Seeing them, all those in favor say aye.

[37:53] Aye.

[37:54] Opposed?

[37:55] Aye.

[37:56] Motion from Terry.

[37:59] Then let's move on to see Resolution 2-8,

[38:02] 2019 Resolution Supporting the repeal of House file,

[38:07] 28-51, enabling the state of Minnesota and the Metropolitan Council

[38:12] to study commuter real line options.

[38:16] This is one of scale initiatives for legislative requests, and it's one of our major ones.

[38:25] And with the amount of people that drive two in front of work in Scott County, I had about 40 percent.

[38:33] Transportation is a vital artery for our business and our communities to assist.

[38:40] And one of the issues that we've seen for many years now is the ban on, even in the discussion by the state,

[38:46] ended up to discuss the damn hatch line and the city of Savages is very fiery on this issue.

[39:00] But we would like to support them.

[39:01] It's part of Scott County and this initiative, if the council sort chooses to at least

[39:07] lift the band to discuss the study of another line across the river for the vital force.

[39:16] of traffic and either commuter lines or even if it can get on to pedestrians and bikes.

[39:24] They would like to at least discuss the idea.

[39:29] I like this idea, this is a whole concept.

[39:32] I think it will be, you know, if it ever were to happen to be a vital connection for us,

[39:40] for our community and all there's been talk about people having the drive through the bus stops

[39:45] I think it's a great opportunity for all of that stuff in December and I have been for people to move out of this area to still work with different areas and taking transportation for it.

[39:58] So I would like to make the motion.

[40:00] We go ahead and pass this resolution, resolution 02008, 2019, supporting the repeal of the House file.

[40:09] 2851.

[40:10] 2nd, any discussion?

[40:16] Why does this, which is not a favor of this, I assume, is that correct?

[40:21] That's average.

[40:23] There are favorites.

[40:24] There's a big one.

[40:25] I know.

[40:26] Yep.

[40:26] Okay, a way to make it.

[40:27] So, the way I read this is that there were the ones that initially implemented the fact

[40:32] that they didn't want to know studies in their area, and now they're saying that they do.

[40:36] No, that would.

[40:37] No.

[40:38] What happened is they were studying a line.

[40:42] And it hit, it was going through some areas that did not want to see the money go

[40:46] through their communities.

[40:48] and their legislator for a ban has the ban in a state legislator that the state and the

[40:55] mind are not even discussing this study that they had proposed.

[41:03] So at the time, they claim that as the chief has wrote of any of the other light rail lines

[41:11] that were chosen, but they failed to get to get to the traction because they were going to

[41:18] some of the communities that did not want to see that through the communities.

[41:28] It just seems odd that a city council wouldn't have made that decision.

[41:37] This date I understand that now.

[41:41] I didn't think I wanted to vote for this at the beginning because I thought I was like

[41:45] sadged into one because one of the things I've heard over at openrovers, there's no light

[41:54] They don't make a dollar, which eventually comes out of everybody's pocket sitting here.

[41:58] So originally, I looked at them like, yeah, we don't need late rail all out here.

[42:03] This because of the cost factor, the lower mean.

[42:06] Look at California last week, they shut their, what was it?

[42:10] Eugene, Billion Dollar, Project.

[42:14] They were going to build, and they decided to, uh, doubt of it.

[42:17] But, and I know that none of the ones in town are ready for it in this Minneapolis make money.

[42:21] You're always losing money, so this is wondering why they wanted it.

[42:26] This was a cheaper route, they were banned.

[42:30] They'd talk about it by the state.

[42:33] Okay,

[42:36] but it's basically the same as it's trying to get it.

[42:39] They would just want us to get it back.

[42:41] Yeah, I know, I just seemed...

[42:44] It's an initiative that's good.

[42:46] I was put together, seemed odd.

[42:48] It's not anyone who else didn't want it in this.

[42:50] I can't remember any further.

[42:52] You didn't pray, I think they were just going to stop to the april.

[42:58] Blooms, it's got a one.

[43:00] The sofa is lying.

[43:02] It's a wall of America.

[43:03] And how would venture to guess that this, whoever blocked it, probably attached it to some

[43:08] budget bill, that was completely unrelated and slipped it through?

[43:13] Hmm, though.

[43:18] Anyway, it's initiative for us to move forward.

[43:21] All right.

[43:21] Confloning more discussion.

[43:23] We have a motion in a second.

[43:26] All those in favor say aye.

[43:28] Aye.

[43:29] Opposed?

[43:29] Motion carried.

[43:31] Thank you.

[43:32] All right.

[43:33] Confloning questions for,

[43:39] all right, seeing that, let's move on to seven point

[43:42] on attorney's report.

[43:43] Good evening, Brian.

[43:44] Could you give me a matter, may I have also members that I do have three items on tonight?

[43:48] I can make them relatively quick.

[43:51] The first item is the second reading of an ordinance.

[43:56] 2019-01, a many in section, 1.5.1.4.

[44:02] About the city code governing issuance of permits for utilities within the right way.

[44:09] The city council has asked to make a motion to approve the second reading of the ordinance

[44:14] to address the federal communication of emissions to their dormitory ruling that came out in

[44:20] October of 2018 that dealt with the ordinances that restrict small wireless facilities,

[44:30] put background for those of you that weren't here last time. Across the nation cities have

[44:38] and asking ordinances to help address small wireless facilities going with coming in within the right away and a big part of that is the push for 5G.

[44:54] So it's a better issue in the major metropolitan policy.

[45:00] All it's in areas and it ultimately will make its way out. And part of what the wireless providers are concerned

[45:09] with were the restrictions placed on by cities making less cost effective for them to install it.

[45:17] So therefore the FCC came out with this declaratory ruling to try to get everyone to kind of fall into place

[45:27] be a little more consistent.

[45:31] In reviewing our ordinance that we had passed, previously I saw

[45:36] a couple of things that needed to be tweaked. The rulings set for the separate shot

[45:41] clock for cities review of printed applications associated with, between new versus existing

[45:50] support structures that are actually in the right way via day like a existing light hole.

[45:58] The existing one versus a new monopole put in by the wireless company in addition to

[46:10] the light.

[46:10] That day went with the 90-day in a 60-day

[46:19] plan which one it is, so that's been adjusted

[46:22] as well as we had some aesthetic requirements in our code, which according to the

[46:31] need to be reasonable, no more burdens of the nose applied to other types of infrastructure deployments,

[46:37] in a objective and in published advance. Well, I believe we need the reason of all, as well as we had already

[46:45] have them as objective and in more polished advance, the only thing that I saw needed to be adjusted was to have

[46:57] those requirements applied to all of the structure deployments.

[47:01] So we basically just moved it to a different area of the permitting section of the code.

[47:08] So it wasn't under just small wireless.

[47:10] You kind of applies twice to all.

[47:16] Attach some photo.

[47:18] A mentor tab should have been photo attached.

[47:21] Unfortunately, I think it didn't get included in the packet.

[47:24] But I do have an in front of you, Council Member Will, had a question with regards to ground-mounted equipment.

[47:33] At the last meeting, what we did the first meeting, and the fact that the page, the difference between light and antenna, which would be on the top photo you could see on top above the light itself versus the ground-mounted equipment, which is down actually on the ground.

[47:53] which is where a lot of the issue of requiring the screening and things that I've made to come into play.

[48:01] So you don't have simply equipment in the city now on the bottom.

[48:07] When such equipment is necessary.

[48:10] No, to be quite crying.

[48:13] I can't tell you how, you know, the wireless facilities,

[48:20] And the equipment associated with it is ever changing so I can't tell you that these are like the newest innovation of the equipment this may be

[48:31] I'm just giving you an example between the difference between what an antenna it looks like versus Donald Mountain equipment

[48:38] That was the purpose of that so that being said a masking city council to make a motion to prove the security that a proposed ordinance 2019

[48:48] team, committee section, 150 point one, one, four, directs that, publish the amendments, or

[48:57] certain minutes of sessions.

[49:00] I'll make a motion.

[49:01] Any approve the secondary number of orders, 2018.

[49:04] Yeah, sure.

[49:07] Second.

[49:08] I have a motion from Robert and a second from Amanda.

[49:11] Any discussion from council?

[49:13] So yes, what is the answer about screening?

[49:16] because we had the panic issue, if somebody is going to put something up near their yard,

[49:24] they need to have a screen and it has to be, you know, we've got rules and regulations

[49:28] in place. This is something that I had thought about before you just read this.

[49:34] But what came behind is understand it's a public utility and it's an easy public easement.

[49:42] I understand that, but one of the things that concerns me is the other day when I was just noticing it came down by a lot of doctors and you see that

[49:49] Okay, I'll be gas mean thing, you know, the middle of nowhere. So why are they not

[49:55] Suck it to screening, simpler than if you decide to put something...

[50:00] In your backyard or our dog shed or something else, I'm a paul, actually, because of the time that we've spent on planning commission going over this and over this and over this, making sure it's all cool, you know, and everybody's happy with it.

[50:17] And then to come down and see those big giant pipes sticking out of the ground.

[50:21] I was just like, so we, we hold the taxpayers to a different standard than the people who don't pay taxes in the stone, which is these are easements.

[50:31] What's up with that?

[50:34] So it's related, and because when each children just push your hero, the stuff on the ground, my intent,

[50:42] I'm sorry, from the bottom went up.

[50:46] I'm just bringing up an discussion to the bus responses, if I'm wrong, fine.

[50:54] I have to get the gas lines that's in now there.

[50:59] I'm probably way, maybe I'm out of line, maybe I'm not.

[51:03] But I think that the reason for not having a screening around it is a safety issue.

[51:09] If something were to happen there, the first responders, the fire department, who

[51:14] I remember we needed to get to it and that would be, I'm going to call that cylinder to your fire hydrants.

[51:21] You know, it takes fire hydrants longer to get to it and you can take care of it.

[51:25] You know, so if you have a screening around it, then to me, to me, to me, to me.

[51:28] It makes a little harder for the middle job.

[51:33] If I correct or make way offline here.

[51:37] There's different, there's different statutes under each utility.

[51:41] So like the small cells, as a new one.

[51:45] And their statutes on what they do for screen here, different than with the gas lines, which

[51:52] have been,

[51:56] and we know that what they put up there, by Rottermunkers, is according to code.

[52:02] You know, they put ballers around there for safety and that type of thing.

[52:06] I would agree that it doesn't work great.

[52:09] Who's code, I'm sorry, but who's code, there's our state's code in those people.

[52:16] We probably can't super seed the state statutes on that.

[52:19] regulations for utilities other utilities in our right away. It is a shame that we just bought that property.

[52:27] We got that property. You know, by the bank earlier, and we created that right away.

[52:31] And now, it was a completely filled up with those gas management.

[52:36] But, so why do we live that happen?

[52:40] We did not have a point to say no to that, really.

[52:44] If they were following the statutes, we cannot say no, you're not putting gas in it, so that's what it's not.

[52:54] Well, it's not that you can't put gas in it, when you're exposed, that means there's not a change, change the scope.

[53:02] I mean, we bought that piece of property for possibly the round of order, something all of a sudden, that's off the table.

[53:09] Well, I mean, you guys are smiling, I mean, but I mean, it's true that it's out of

[53:15] our hands.

[53:17] That's my point.

[53:18] Why is it out of our hands?

[53:19] Oh, it should be.

[53:20] I mean, if we made the investment into the property, just to give it to somebody else,

[53:24] maybe we should get paid back for it.

[53:26] However, if they're in our easement and they're in our way of our road or

[53:30] waters through our line, they're going to need to move it at their expense.

[53:34] So if that, if that ends up being in our way for somebody,

[53:37] They're going to have to move it at their expense, and we're not going to have to pay for it.

[53:41] That's similar with the electrical lines, not to be a thing.

[53:44] If they're in our right or right away, we don't have their own easement.

[53:48] They need to move a lot of our way if we have what we do in public purpose to have our own

[53:53] dollar of water and sewer lines through a certain area.

[53:58] So the city does supersede the state.

[53:59] You don't run about with

[54:29] there in compliance but I have to do anything so I can't look at what we can do if we can do anything.

[54:36] Yeah, I always thought that we need spot for a welcome to Jordan's sign. Right where those guests might

[54:40] look a lot better than that.

[54:44] Just in this may address, Jeff here here at Concernance is part of what the small cell wireless providers

[54:51] requested was that well, you can.

[55:02] In reality, by moving it up into the general conditions. If someone comes in and wants to install something within your right away, it's going to have something up.

[56:24] It's the same, it's a public utility and a public right away.

[56:33] And again, when we can have all those screenings, things we want to implement, but there's going to be a way to that because they don't have to.

[56:42] Correct.

[56:43] Well, if they can have something that says there's a lot of problems are streaming requirement.

[56:52] That's why I'm posing on it's a waste time.

[56:56] If that's the case, correct.

[56:59] But for purposes of what the FCC is requiring is that you need to at least have it somewhere

[57:06] where you can point to and say it applies to others as well.

[57:10] So

[57:23] we have a motion in a second, any more discussion comes up.

[57:28] All right, all those in favor say aye.

[57:31] Aye.

[57:32] Opposed.

[57:33] All right.

[57:34] Motion carried.

[57:36] Let's move on to the resolution to dash 490-2018.

[57:43] in the authorizing summarization of ordinance 2018-01,

[57:48] amendment in section 105.114 for purposes.

[57:54] Thank you.

[57:55] Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[57:59] Resolution.

[58:00] This resolution goes to basically asking for the summary publication of the ordinance amendment that we just discussed in the past.

[58:13] Basically, instead of taking up so much from the paper with regards to posting the entire thing,

[58:21] what I'm proposing is that a passive resolution that would

[58:28] publish the summary that is provided in the resolution with regards to,

[58:35] in order to provide the notice to the general public as to what the ordinance is about.

[59:34] Yeah, we're implementing changing of resolutions and ordinances so they go down.

[59:40] sending number just the resolutions that we're

[59:49] sending. This is right. Yes. All

[59:59] right. Second.

[1:00:14] That's not what I was meaning.

[1:00:20] I have a motion from Robert in the second from Amanda.

[1:00:25] Any more discussion?

[1:00:26] All those in favor say aye.

[1:00:27] I've heard.

[1:00:29] Opposed.

[1:00:30] Motion.

[1:00:32] All right.

[1:00:32] Let's move on to see resolution 2-10-1-18 amendment to the Stone Bridge in Jordan 3rd

[1:00:39] 3rd edition in 4th edition, developer's agreement.

[1:00:46] Councils ask to make a motion of that resolution 2-10-2-19.

[1:00:52] to improve this amendment background on it is the city in Stonebridge of Jordan, L.A.C.

[1:00:59] as parties to the development agreement for Stonebridge 3rd and 4th edition was executed

[1:01:06] back in April 2018, which governs both the editions.

[1:01:14] The language in the development agreement with regards to the 4th edition required second

[1:01:21] act to be paid at the time of final platter approval for the fourth edition, the preliminary

[1:01:29] platter for the fourth edition is set to expire at March 29, 2019. The developers don't

[1:01:38] bridge up Jordan is requesting that the second wax charges be pushed back until they

[1:01:49] C.K. notice to proceed for this construction of the fourth edition, that for this amendment was drafted in order to provide that flexibility.

[1:02:02] It does not change any of the other cement requirements or the substantial completion date for the fourth edition or the final completion date.

[1:02:10] So basically there's certain steps that will have documentation that have to be provided

[1:02:17] with the final plan, which that could occur, that should be a

[1:02:27] computer.

[1:03:17] It also saves us the time to redo the preliminary plot and final plot.

[1:03:22] We don't want to do that either.

[1:03:30] So a big,

[1:03:58] we're ready to break ground or whatever,

[1:04:05] which if there's

[1:04:11] a go back and redo it,

[1:04:12] then they have that window.

[1:04:34] So, with that being said, City Council's asked to make a motion to adopt resolution

[1:04:40] at

[1:04:43] the F-2,019,

[1:04:46] the development of Greenstone Bridge of Jordan, LLC, for Stone Bridge, third

[1:04:51] edition, Stone Bridge, Fourth Edition, and I'm sorry.

[1:05:02] So what's the benefit to them in between just the lay of pain?

[1:05:07] That's what I'm trying to understand.

[1:05:09] Yeah, this is a common request.

[1:05:11] We did the same thing for, I believe, aims.

[1:05:13] We didn't require them to pay them.

[1:05:16] Ah, that found plough.

[1:05:17] We, they, they request them.

[1:05:18] They're development group.

[1:05:19] They didn't pay, they didn't pay for like a month or two.

[1:05:22] Different.

[1:05:23] So we weren't.

[1:05:25] We didn't view this as treating them any differently than we did by work.

[1:05:28] And they drafted us as we drafted us.

[1:05:30] We did.

[1:05:32] And did they pay us back for our time regretting?

[1:05:37] All right.

[1:05:38] Yes.

[1:05:39] I'll have another.

[1:05:42] I'll make a motion.

[1:05:44] House resolution.

[1:05:45] 0.210 to 19.

[1:05:49] Dev is second.

[1:05:51] Also.

[1:05:52] Have a motion from Jeff in a second from the main.

[1:05:54] Any more discussion?

[1:05:57] All those in favor say aye.

[1:05:58] Aye.

[1:05:59] Opposed.

[1:06:00] Thank you.

[1:06:01] Council have any questions for Brian?

[1:06:05] All right.

[1:06:05] Seeing them, let's move on to 8.0.

[1:06:08] Engineers report good evening, Mike.

[1:06:11] You need that, remember, as a council?

[1:06:14] 8.0.

[1:06:15] 8.0.

[1:06:16] 8.0.

[1:06:17] 8.0.

[1:06:21] 8.0.

[1:06:29] So just to back on your state of system, what it is, it's something that operates in

[1:06:34] the communications and controls or a bunch of your facility through our town where you're

[1:06:39] water towers, you're watching your plant and wells, you're through the station.

[1:06:44] It essentially functions to operate those facilities, to attract or influence of them in

[1:06:48] its water.

[1:06:49] So things are what we're going along.

[1:06:51] So essentially it's the ranks of the operation.

[1:06:53] It's tabling, you know, like water tower sets a signal down to your water crew.

[1:06:57] plant, or if you lose your pumps, tells that these will water. It's what ends up going

[1:07:01] on the power. When some of the water goes on, that's what emerges the alarm. It's just

[1:07:06] some, some indicate that tells it that the answer is going to go out. So, really, it's

[1:07:12] going to go on all of those things. If you have a pump that's running excess of the water

[1:07:15] time, that can be indicated that pumps that work well. So, the fact that we're going to

[1:07:27] Just being in a alarm, if there is an emergency alarm aspect of this, if your tower

[1:07:31] sort of dropping, for example, that I indicate that when your booster pumps isn't working,

[1:07:36] that I indicate something's going down, just a little trick in plant, it can actually

[1:07:40] send out applications and emergency sensitive homework staff to get them on board.

[1:07:45] And if that's a data system isn't working, well, there's nothing to set off that alarm.

[1:07:51] And I mean, kind of a worst case scenario there, when your tower screen is one day,

[1:07:56] That would kind of like your situation, actually,

[1:07:58] at one of our distribution issues going on around.

[1:08:00] So it's an important piece of the system for your community.

[1:08:04] Your system right now, it's got different components

[1:08:07] that are different gauge.

[1:08:08] Some of them, I think, are aside from the little little pieces

[1:08:11] that can plug in here and there.

[1:08:14] The last major upgrade to about 2008,

[1:08:16] there's other components of this that are 20 years old,

[1:08:20] perhaps more, it's hard to generalize,

[1:08:22] but consider to 20-year-old computer system,

[1:08:24] and you can see the actual components in the port

[1:08:26] on the right side here.

[1:08:27] The system was originally made in fact

[1:08:29] or by scenes.

[1:08:31] They'll actually support it anymore.

[1:08:32] They don't make infection in parts ports.

[1:08:34] So if you do have a component that goes down,

[1:08:38] your public works director Scott Osis

[1:08:39] been contacting your vendor for this on having systems.

[1:08:43] They're a professional that feels

[1:08:44] and stayed in operations for a number of capabilities.

[1:08:48] He contacts them.

[1:08:49] They try to find parts for this thing.

[1:08:51] It can, it has taken them up to a month and time to find the right parts.

[1:08:56] Now, clearly, Scott and on-back systems have been a pretty good job

[1:09:01] because they've kind of worked at nine scenes here,

[1:09:02] and you have a pad made issues like your towers are in it.

[1:09:05] And that's stuff going on.

[1:09:07] But those folks are all thinking the best course of action,

[1:09:12] intersection to replace a lot of the system and something that's newer

[1:09:14] and something that is supported by it's being captured now,

[1:09:19] to prevent any kind of existing failure from happening

[1:09:22] in the future, so those those folks are getting concerned.

[1:09:25] This part is a process, like I mentioned,

[1:09:28] for a sort of, or has the other developed

[1:09:30] for different options, for the council's consideration,

[1:09:33] the first one would be to receive a proposal,

[1:09:36] which would include scope of work,

[1:09:37] so that's telling you, I'm going to replace these parts

[1:09:40] with this part, the student of this part of the system,

[1:09:43] with this new system, here's how it performs.

[1:09:47] We're going to do this installation, you know, we've had such a such a warranty that comes with it.

[1:09:52] And then again, associated fees for how much of cost was very as components.

[1:09:56] So the first option is to get that very current, very perpendicular.

[1:10:02] The second option is to get that same proposal that goes to school board. Then take that school board and send it to a different vendor and pack that a name one company control which would be a competitor of automatic systems. And then request the fee proposal for them. So we're not actually taking the fee and saying, okay, here's what automatic systems gave us. We would keep everything separate. So people are, you know, competitively fitting, no, there's sort of a professional aspect of this too.

[1:10:30] are kind of providing you different components that can perform for you.

[1:10:34] But the first two options are just working with those vendors to get a scope and a fee

[1:10:38] to present it back to the Council for consideration.

[1:10:42] The third one is third option is would be for the city to actually hire an election engineer

[1:10:47] to critique the scope from on a matter of systems.

[1:10:51] The next step, we take a look through it.

[1:10:53] We really do need an election engineer to want to critique the various components of this.

[1:10:57] of computer system essentially, and go through it.

[1:11:00] And then, you know, that electrical engineer

[1:11:02] can tell you, well, you don't really need this piece.

[1:11:05] You might need this piece.

[1:11:07] Or you could do something a little bit differently

[1:11:09] to make it work with other research, or not higher

[1:11:12] expertise.

[1:11:13] I'm just saying, if you want to critique that scope,

[1:11:15] that's quite a service that you need from someone

[1:11:17] to question here.

[1:11:19] The cost of that would be in estimate of 15 grand or so.

[1:11:22] And then the fourth option would be to actually

[1:11:24] have an electrical engineer, some of all

[1:11:26] may actually prepare some kinds of testifications to just kind of open this if you will to the market through a public fitting process.

[1:11:35] That's not required in this case because it is a professional service for our observations about our system's work, other committees and other regard it.

[1:11:42] I'll link that process as an estimated cost of $75,000 plus again in the cost of the work.

[1:11:49] As far as estimate cost for a whole, we're talking about here's kind of scale magnitude of the entire issue.

[1:11:55] We're recommending that the city would budget 275,000 for the full system replacement.

[1:12:00] To cost about just three and four would be above and beyond that.

[1:12:04] That's again the 15 and 75 numbers that I was referring to that would be above and beyond that amount.

[1:12:10] What we're talking about here tonight is not for the council.

[1:12:12] We see ESCO spend two and a sudden 5,000 our request to be denied is to figure out what process we should go through to bring back a numbers for you.

[1:12:22] With that, staff is recommending all the options one or two.

[1:12:25] We don't necessarily value in the options three and four that we've laid out for you, but it will represent those as an option for you.

[1:12:32] I think staff is leaning a little more towards options two, but a lot of the system is also going to be a great benefit to work with and that's very trustworthy in the town here.

[1:12:40] And then there's lots of all the issues that are going on.

[1:12:43] So with that, I'd stand for any questions about what the skaters

[1:12:46] system does, and then any questions can help out.

[1:12:50] So Mike, this is basically an automated system.

[1:12:53] We would just tell us it keeps tabs of all your alarm system is going on,

[1:12:57] with your water, and full of anything.

[1:13:00] I kind of work with a similar program in my building for the school

[1:13:05] system. After a time, these older systems become obsolete and it's very hard as a state

[1:13:12] of the new report to give parts for it. So the Octobov may be doing a complete upgrade

[1:13:23] in past experience. When you do that in the long run, it saves you more money. Because

[1:13:31] when you go into the system like this kind of stuff you're going into and you're going

[1:13:35] fix one problem over here, but they don't even put in a bandage on the other one.

[1:13:42] So when these computers, you know, the technology has changed so much that these older

[1:13:50] computers and systems, it's kind of hard to find a part of it because they quit making

[1:13:55] them.

[1:13:56] You know, so I would just assume, like, to see this from, you know, working with the

[1:14:07] more feasible in my eyes to do the upgrade that it wouldn't be to just put in a bandied

[1:14:14] on something here down the road and, well, the next council down the road is going to have

[1:14:19] to think about replacing it.

[1:14:21] You know, the hour-doers pass in the past and you'll kick it and it can't down the road

[1:14:27] and sort of speak.

[1:14:29] So that's just my opinion.

[1:14:32] But if you want to hire it on your service person to come in here and take a look at it and give you an estimated price of what you had to do to replace it on the or repair the parts that we have.

[1:14:44] And then find out 15 years.

[1:14:45] Not even that.

[1:14:46] Maybe five years, ten years on the road that you had to replace the system.

[1:14:53] CHEMP.

[1:14:53] I agree with everything Cherry said.

[1:14:55] But here's what the other side of the coin.

[1:14:57] Um, two hundred seventy-five.

[1:15:00] $5,000. Why was this not on our CIP? This has been a 20-year ongoing project. And we've known that this has been failing for years. Why was this added in? I mean, that seems like something that should be exactly. I mean, we should have been, we should be planning for this. I mean, I don't recall that on the CIP. Am I wrong?

[1:15:23] We do have in the CIP, you can think it's $200,000 for just one distribution of permits on an annual basis that may or may not occur.

[1:15:31] I think moving forward tonight, if you'd like, what we could do is essentially what's happening right now.

[1:15:38] Is that vanity process that carries a firm too?

[1:15:41] I mean, if we come back, we can actually get proposals for this.

[1:15:45] What have you, we've got some kind of number from us, and you just feel like you're wandering on.

[1:15:49] of money.

[1:15:50] So, you can feel my scroll for it.

[1:15:52] This can handle this.

[1:15:53] Well, then maybe it's something that's got to go in the future.

[1:15:56] You're scared of you because like the set of 200,000 is quite enough to cover what

[1:15:59] we're talking about here right now.

[1:16:01] I think you could make that consideration.

[1:16:03] The next stage, if you like it, thank you.

[1:16:06] Your staff, and I could kind of go through this and let it upon me.

[1:16:08] It's scenarios for the actual costs that we're seeing.

[1:16:11] I can't address this because the question why I'm trying to line it up first.

[1:16:15] You know, I'm not sure what it's trying to help.

[1:16:17] I'm trying to figure out the next course here, given the situation that's going on, and I think it's been a long issue because it will, as well, I don't think it's been something that's going to be a part of the kind of hyper-productive for those guys, what parts are going to fill?

[1:16:31] That's my point. I mean, it's just been a nine-point issue, why don't we add it in a year, go over two years ago, you know, to prevent, also being here, and this all affects our sewer rates and stuff like that.

[1:16:45] We just got done doing water in the places and the story creases and stuff, you know,

[1:16:49] and all of a sudden the throw in other, almost a row of about 300 grand, you know, all of a sudden

[1:16:53] whoa, you know, that's, that's kind of a bottom of the night too, all of a sudden we're changing the game

[1:16:59] as far as I'm concerned, you know, I'm sure where should we have a little bit more hands up on this

[1:17:03] and maybe we could have, rather than a band-aid, again, maybe we could have followed something

[1:17:08] better back then and implemented a piece at a time when one piece fails, put it in the new piece,

[1:17:13] rather than getting hit with all those lawns.

[1:17:16] I'm not sure that we didn't have it in there, but I think we might have had it staged over years.

[1:17:22] So you know, I don't think we assumed that it would just all be read out at the same time.

[1:17:28] Okay, so my main concern right now is it's worse than 300 grand.

[1:17:33] I mean, I'm not debating whether we need this or not. That's not what I'm saying.

[1:17:36] It's just, you know, some time ago when I first was elected in a line with Jeff.

[1:17:45] But anyways, we had just a whole discussion about budgeting.

[1:17:50] And when I talked about doing PMs, preventing it, it's a budgeting for needed equipment down the road.

[1:17:58] You're right, peace, part of it.

[1:18:02] This should have been, kind of, looked at, I guess, shame on us up here and not asking the questions, because we don't know it, but when I'd like to see it in the future for plans for the electronics upgrades, for like this water plant, you know, there's probably more than this out now water plant that probably might need to be updated down the road, you know what I'm trying to say?

[1:18:33] No, we budgeted an extra amount of dollars for preventivating it, so you have to be able to put improvements.

[1:18:40] What I'm saying is, I think we did plan for this, we didn't plan for it all the half an at one time, so we are budgeting for this.

[1:18:48] So, don't think that we didn't, this is, this is all just happened all.

[1:18:53] What a surprise, we have a system that cost rent, though.

[1:18:56] We knew that there was a system that cost rent, we thought it would be staged over years that we could replace it.

[1:19:00] We just did the water plant in 2008, but correctly, and we did that systems, and we put about 45,000 into that time to get up to where it is now.

[1:19:13] So there's no point where we didn't know that we'd have to replace the system sometime, but we thought it would be staged over years.

[1:19:20] So we do have some improvements of this nature in our CNP.

[1:19:27] It's just that we didn't have it all in one time.

[1:19:29] It was a surprise to us that they came back and said,

[1:19:33] Well, we're not gonna be in parts for this anymore.

[1:19:35] You need to replace it with that.

[1:19:37] We'll never thought that would happen.

[1:19:39] That's my point that I've tried to draw two years.

[1:19:44] With your technologies, your laptops, everything else.

[1:19:48] This system is basically the same thing.

[1:19:49] all the electronics. The only make it for so long and then you go ahead and change all

[1:19:56] those products and change your software and all that stuff.

[1:20:00] They really got you because they don't think that product anymore.

[1:20:04] And again, I'm not debating that. What I'm debating is what Tom just kind of cleared up for me and I guess that was not articulated very well on the right up.

[1:20:13] Okay, I mean, if you just read this for the first time, it looks like we're saying somebody's handing us a bill for 300 grand.

[1:20:23] That's why I asked the questions, but when he says that it is being budgeted for, I guess, my next question is the, and I think he said it was like $200,000, how much of that has been saved or unspent that gets put towards this, are we actually really budgeting?

[1:20:43] we did we have 50,000 left over the 200 to put towards us and we're going to find out.

[1:21:02] In both waters or

[1:21:10] I think what we've been putting we were assuming it would be about 50,000 dollars a year.

[1:21:16] to get this overall. Succession of years to get this completed. But we're told that

[1:21:24] the dollar you can't. You need to do it all the time. Understand? So, what you're

[1:21:28] basically using that last year's budget in this year, we have $100,000 towards this.

[1:21:45] Okay,

[1:21:53] so we do have money in the bank. So I guess my question for you know, is we talked about the other stages.

[1:22:03] Well, it was 15,000, Mike he said. The other one is how much?

[1:22:14] I'm looking at it right now.

[1:22:17] I'll turn it as one and two options.

[1:22:19] One and two, we're really over right now.

[1:22:20] And then we can put it in the option.

[1:22:22] Three is the switcher.

[1:22:23] We're going to get some number here.

[1:22:24] You

[1:22:28] can forward me and actually prepare for my specifications.

[1:22:32] We're just not sure that at the end of the day you're going to get the work we have.

[1:22:35] And then this one and that option is one or two.

[1:22:38] So the work we're going to do is.

[1:22:40] Here's my point.

[1:22:42] Here's my point.

[1:22:43] That was trying to.

[1:22:44] I would like to try and make as, you know, options three is $15,000.

[1:22:49] And option four or $75,000.

[1:22:52] Where the other option is basically 275,000.

[1:22:55] We pair it all, thank correct.

[1:22:56] No, no, no, no.

[1:22:57] All there is another option.

[1:22:58] Yeah.

[1:22:58] I'll see you in return in the issue.

[1:23:00] Right, what I'm doing is, so you got $90,000.

[1:23:04] Basically, on top of 275,000.

[1:23:08] Correct?

[1:23:09] You would only go with three or

[1:23:16] four or zero, which is one or two.

[1:23:19] Right, like on that correct.

[1:23:21] So we're comfortable with either one or two, Scott's comfortable with automated systems.

[1:23:28] But we don't want to make that decision without giving you the option.

[1:23:34] But it's

[1:23:41] also...

[1:23:43] I

[1:24:21] don't think it should affect the Debag system.

[1:25:19] I think the money we saved on the dewatering bag would help pay for this. We're saving roughly 20 to 25,000 dollars a year on.

[1:25:28] I'm sorry to say that. We like to put honey that we say it in the multiple places, so the other thing might, the other thing might, the other thing might, so with that, the interchange we just got done doing before the, the new water, sewer line being had going out, I want to make sure that this system that we have now, that addition is going to be able to help support that.

[1:25:56] So we're not in a change.

[1:25:58] Yes, that's true.

[1:25:59] Interceptor.

[1:26:01] So make sure we can, you know, this system here will that go to handle that addition,

[1:26:06] you know, the current system, the dollars, you know, the bulk of items on it,

[1:26:10] it's obsolete or hard to get parts for it.

[1:26:13] You know, so I want to make sure we're looking at that general picture of the future.

[1:26:20] You know, so when we go ahead and put everything in the full swing again,

[1:26:25] You get that running is, are we going to need to come back and say, okay now we're going

[1:26:29] to have to spend another 180,000 when addition on this new system into accommodate our extras,

[1:26:36] and we just got it added onto it.

[1:26:39] So, you know, that just kind of, let's make it for the press.

[1:26:43] But we are looking to try looking to the future, you know, because we're going to do a

[1:26:47] device of doing right and save some money, some holes somewhere on doing this program.

[1:26:54] have to come back later see okay we need to add to this one because what we have is currently

[1:26:59] that sufficient up the handle over blowing for. So Terry, do you want to make this number?

[1:27:05] I'm oh shall okay go ahead Jeff. I like to make a motion that we do number two

[1:27:12] direct staff to proceed on option number two. Oh second. So I have a motion from Jack

[1:27:20] a second for move in. Yes.

[1:27:23] Aside from ASC, you said there's another one.

[1:27:25] Bywin, we have them both coming until us the scope of work.

[1:27:29] Right? We just use ASC.

[1:27:30] It seems that there's two ways to keep ASC on.

[1:27:32] It's one of them is to have a competitor and give us a price of what it would cost.

[1:27:36] But the other one would be to have them give us a plan of what we need, right?

[1:27:41] Because ASC is coming until us that we need.

[1:27:43] That's why it's an option too.

[1:27:45] But that doesn't get us.

[1:27:46] It's confusing ASC scope.

[1:27:48] So, as you tell this that we need a Chevy every day and a competitor.

[1:27:53] And as you go to the scope, I do the competitor.

[1:27:57] So, if you came in there to tell me I needed a new heater in my house and a new air conditioning

[1:28:01] I only needed a new heater, we're just going to turn over your kind of competitor that says

[1:28:06] I need a new heater and a new air conditioner.

[1:28:09] I really just needed a heater that the competitor can come in and tell me you really just

[1:28:13] need a heater.

[1:28:13] The way I understand this is that we're two people coming in and they're going to make a proposal.

[1:28:19] Not the exact, this is not what it reads now.

[1:28:22] It reads that the ASC is going to tell you what we need, and we're going to send it off.

[1:28:25] So another competitor to figure out what the theme proposal would be for that.

[1:28:31] Okay, the 9th is a burden, so that's not what I want.

[1:28:34] I want to give two competitive bits from two separate entities.

[1:28:39] That's what I want.

[1:28:42] Okay.

[1:28:43] So did you get that change?

[1:28:45] So I'm going to rescind whatever if I have to to remake it.

[1:28:47] But my motion is I want to get two bits from two separate people.

[1:28:55] What we need and how much it's going to cost.

[1:28:57] I was just going to declare, I think we will still share that scope with them.

[1:29:00] We want to try to get this apples that apples the best we can use in your example.

[1:29:05] We want to make sure that they won't be able to do their conditioner in the air.

[1:29:08] And that's not just only doing something apples or just.

[1:29:12] I prefer not to do that. I want to see two people's opinions.

[1:29:17] Well, and see how far apart they are.

[1:29:21] Maybe one's deficient in what we are looking at and the other one isn't.

[1:29:25] So I'd rather have two completely separate opinions.

[1:29:28] I would not have information shared between the two.

[1:29:31] That's my opinion.

[1:29:33] You have two people or professionals that are doing it.

[1:29:37] They should come up with the same thing, but if they don't, I'd like to know why.

[1:29:40] Well, after they both submitted their proposals, then it makes sense to go back to them.

[1:29:45] Correct. They're saying they need this.

[1:29:48] Exactly. Yes, no.

[1:29:49] Typically, they will do that. They'll try to undercut the other person because, well, they're going to say,

[1:29:53] you don't need this.

[1:29:55] It's not like a real thing when they ask you, what is your insurance company?

[1:29:58] Tell you that you can...

[1:30:00] I don't think that that's how this has been worked.

[1:30:04] And part of the challenge here, too, I mean, the step of not hiring your wish once you're to critique it,

[1:30:10] and these guys are professionals and you're really good at what they do.

[1:30:15] And they could write something in a club in a way that you wouldn't necessarily know where you're getting.

[1:30:19] Apple's orders. So I think it has been officially provided in schools that they can,

[1:30:25] and mash that orb, just know that we have that skull over here,

[1:30:29] and then like, Thomas, same hooker to eat it.

[1:30:31] So, we'll go back and forth those kind of little bit of a dance

[1:30:34] that goes on here with the option two.

[1:30:37] Which I think is what also, if you're going to say anything,

[1:30:38] they both did it the way that Jackson and then you could give them each other

[1:30:42] scope of work, and tell us what's wrong with it.

[1:30:45] One of the other things that we talked about is structuring.

[1:30:48] It's what we go over two budget years, so we start in this year and then going to the next year.

[1:30:54] So we have two bunch of years we can budget and wrap up to this and we're not going to

[1:30:59] take away our little bit of cushion that we just took years to start to build.

[1:31:04] We're going to wipe it all in one year.

[1:31:05] So do we have a thick crack?

[1:31:07] What did I say?

[1:31:09] What did we just do?

[1:31:12] Okay, so go ahead.

[1:31:13] What do you think?

[1:31:14] What do you want to do?

[1:31:15] Because it sounds like it would be the same thing anyway.

[1:31:18] It's still going to have two different.

[1:31:19] You just don't have two different bits.

[1:31:24] They're both going to talk to you.

[1:31:25] My understanding is that if we have a menu that we want each company to bid on ones

[1:31:32] into come-in cheaper, what I'm saying is that why don't we open it up and have this company

[1:31:37] with their expertise, give us a bid, this company give us their expertise and give us

[1:31:41] a bid.

[1:31:42] And if they match fine if they're not, let's read all what's good and bad, maybe they have

[1:31:47] a better system for the same money or maybe have a different idea than what we're currently

[1:31:52] have, maybe it's better, maybe it's not. It's not going to cost us nothing. Let's just

[1:31:57] look at it. That's what might be-

[1:31:59] It's what you're saying. Great.

[1:32:01] No, what he's actually saying is that we tell them what we want. Okay, and then each company

[1:32:05] bids on it, so that it's apples to apples. What I'm saying is, is that I'd like to see what

[1:32:10] apples result and besides the apples. Maybe they're also telling them what we want. It's

[1:32:15] A, C, something that's what we need, and then they need a few million dollars.

[1:32:19] I think here's Scott pretty much has a pretty good idea what he's doing out there and what he needs to be done.

[1:32:26] The one needs to be repaired.

[1:32:28] So this is not just torn together and saying, okay, this is what we need to do.

[1:32:36] He has a general idea, a pretty good idea, not a general.

[1:32:40] He's got a pretty good idea of what he needs to be repaired out there.

[1:32:44] So basically when the heat there, given us the company's name here, the company that actually

[1:32:52] seen us, we need to repair this.

[1:32:56] And I wanted to bet you that Scott's already a private, but in contact with them, discuss

[1:33:01] this whole program with them and pretty good handle on what needs to be repaired out there.

[1:33:09] So, he's already stated, this is wrong, and these parts have been obsolete that we can't get, or very hard to come by.

[1:33:21] Yeah, like I said, Scott is comfortable with the current company we have and getting just a bit from them, but we didn't feel comfortable recommending just that to you.

[1:33:30] So but my thing we know that you guys want to keep everybody honest and get the best bid possible so we didn't we didn't propose yet

[1:33:38] We need to go up this company

[1:33:39] So that's what that's why we're in this discussion. I just don't think that's you know

[1:33:46] We hire a Scott to run his built just

[1:33:48] Out there and he knows that place out there better than anyone of us sitting up here and I and just to keep not just to keep modest

[1:33:58] But he knows what he's doing out there

[1:34:01] And I feel that if he wants to go with number two,

[1:34:05] which Jeff has made the proposal to go with,

[1:34:08] the idea of what's going on with another competitor,

[1:34:11] given the same scope of work

[1:34:12] that has already been put together,

[1:34:16] because these guys know what they need to do.

[1:34:21] So for them, they have another company company

[1:34:23] to re-go over what skies already said

[1:34:25] that we need it, and the other companies already said,

[1:34:27] we need it, to me it's just a waste of stuff.

[1:34:32] To me it's got zero cost to us and if it's gotten on with that well and the other side

[1:34:38] It's not going to be able to tell us that we don't need a component that we need correct and I agree with you

[1:34:43] But I've just saying that Scott knows what's going, but it's already listed that you want to have that a better

[1:34:49] And come in there

[1:34:50] So

[1:34:52] I don't know that that's what was said what was said to me is that they are comfortable

[1:34:57] They got presented to us that we can have this

[1:35:00] Second option. I think what's transpired is that Jeff has said that in a brief, I guess in what I said is that you'd have two different people come in and tell you what you need and what it's going to cost.

[1:35:14] I think two is even shy on projects. I don't have anybody come and do anything that I can't do on my house unless I'm going to have three beds, but if we're happy just doing two other, I'd have them come in and tell me what I need and how much it's going to cost.

[1:35:28] and I just got to think of some of these on base, on that.

[1:35:31] Then once these are the next participants, they're...

[1:35:34] We just gave a procedure for a government contract to distribute, right?

[1:35:41] We're not required to get two bits on this work.

[1:35:44] Right, because you are comfortable just getting one bit.

[1:35:47] And we know that you potentially want to do two bits.

[1:35:50] These are two companies that we recommend to us in this special service.

[1:35:56] So that's why we have the two.

[1:35:57] I don't want to be in a motion.

[1:35:59] Make a motion again.

[1:36:00] Well, I got it.

[1:36:02] OK.

[1:36:03] So, Jeff.

[1:36:04] Yeah.

[1:36:05] Jeff, my understanding of your motion was to obtain two beds through two separate companies regarding the scope and rights.

[1:36:18] Direct staff to do that.

[1:36:21] That's what I want.

[1:36:23] Two separate beds.

[1:36:24] We will.

[1:36:25] And I'll leave.

[1:36:27] Rob, no.

[1:36:27] No.

[1:36:28] No.

[1:36:30] I'm sorry.

[1:36:31] I don't know.

[1:36:32] Okay.

[1:36:34] That was great.

[1:36:36] Reaffirm what has stays.

[1:36:38] And absolutely, that's what you want.

[1:36:39] That's what we'll do.

[1:36:42] So we have a motion in second.

[1:36:43] Does everyone feel comfortable with that?

[1:36:45] All right.

[1:36:46] So let's go.

[1:36:47] And for me.

[1:36:48] We're going to do a motion.

[1:36:49] Yes.

[1:36:50] All right.

[1:36:52] We have a motion in the second.

[1:36:54] All those in favor stay.

[1:36:55] All right.

[1:36:56] All right.

[1:36:56] Opposed.

[1:36:58] Motion here.

[1:36:59] All right.

[1:36:59] Thank you, Mike.

[1:37:00] Let's move on to the finance report.

[1:37:03] Good evening, Marty.

[1:37:06] Good evening, Dan.

[1:37:07] We are going to introduce the council in January 2019.

[1:37:10] The finance report expands.

[1:37:14] In January, a little under seven groups.

[1:37:17] Six percent of our budget already.

[1:37:20] In January, the set includes building permits.

[1:37:24] Poor those who are new homes.

[1:37:27] And those who are new.

[1:37:28] Thank you.

[1:37:29] the value of $15,000.

[1:37:33] These are the generated, collected through $1,000, $1,000, $1,000 in per week.

[1:37:46] Waterfront collections, the J.D.

[1:37:48] Where does the PINCET come from?

[1:37:50] $1,600, $7,000.

[1:37:52] That's a good lower $1,000,000, more than the past January.

[1:37:56] More of funds, managers are off the national level.

[1:38:00] $3,000.

[1:38:02] And it's a lot of stuff where you can actually get to keep it on.

[1:38:07] So we're on a lecture today where we're on 70,000 consequences.

[1:38:13] That's 16,000.

[1:38:14] We're 52 over last year.

[1:38:17] And so a bunch of things you're up over the last year.

[1:38:19] I don't know if I'm going back a thousand.

[1:38:22] And that is a very serious way that we, you know,

[1:38:27] first year of principal for the interceptor function.

[1:38:30] Some sort of funds, questions to the $1,000 from that box,

[1:38:35] to increase the $4,000 last year, and the strong funds,

[1:38:41] so a fund expenditure is actually below the last year,

[1:38:43] by $1,000 in the 18th house.

[1:38:49] The cash address was created in the January,

[1:38:52] it was $5,000 in the 19th, $1,000.

[1:38:54] It's 3,000.

[1:38:56] That's a little under $1,4 million less than December

[1:39:00] And as you wish each and every one of us,

[1:39:04] we have this super-spamies,

[1:39:07] very, very, very personal relationship.

[1:39:13] Do you have any further questions?

[1:39:15] Council of any questions from Marty.

[1:39:18] Thank you.

[1:39:22] Thank you.

[1:39:24] All right.

[1:39:26] Let's move on to ten and eight planners report.

[1:39:30] Good evening, Mr. Smith.

[1:39:32] Thank you.

[1:39:36] So I know it's hand A here is a cross for an interim use permit for a travel or a map that a principal use in this institute.

[1:39:48] Social development.

[1:39:52] It is on the southeast corner of the section of Broadway in Cyprus.

[1:39:57] Our applicant for addresses one-on-one.

[1:40:00] October 13th, August 20th, August 22nd R Companies Regoat Illustration, who's not presiding this evening as stated as Public District

[1:40:07] is a receipt of a lot of your business sóting is simply a business to work. Today, we're all pretty familiar with this area.

[1:40:14] So, we're gonna kind of reynobressing on this information now

[1:40:19] so that we're not beATORY candidate.

[1:40:22] Okay, 30 seconds. So, what is nion theory? So, nion-p and a loudspear use just for Reptile period of time.

[1:40:28] that is actually not permitted within the district,

[1:40:33] but within the development,

[1:40:37] may not be acceptable in the future,

[1:40:39] but for short time period,

[1:40:41] it would be appropriate for a particular district.

[1:40:45] So as far as process,

[1:40:47] goes with IMPs.

[1:40:48] It is the draft name, the Commission,

[1:40:49] the use permit.

[1:40:50] So they host a public hearing.

[1:40:51] We all define all partners within three hundred and fifty

[1:40:55] of the subject property, the public hearing, to place all of them right at the same time.

[1:41:05] In the fall of 2018, City Council, I like that with the ordinance to allow for offsuit

[1:41:10] parking as opposed to use in the C2 through the use of an interim use permit.

[1:41:16] So that that zoning food amendment is actually requested by the Johns to allow them to use

[1:41:21] The groups will cite as a parking lot after the dumb trouble with the building.

[1:41:29] So after that, amendment the council directed staff to look into other properties within the

[1:41:34] C2 and the grandmother department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department, department.

[1:41:39] And here we are with the bottom of Broadway street.

[1:41:42] So this parcel has been used as a rebel parking lot since between 2000-3000-3000 to oral and

[1:42:00] That's the last thing.

[1:42:03] Yeah, so it's a bit of content with the property arm and they submitted it on the application.

[1:42:10] And here we are today.

[1:42:11] So this is a set of poster to look at the subject property.

[1:42:15] I'm sorry.

[1:42:16] So, it's time to look.

[1:42:19] Here it is.

[1:42:21] Actually, I'm going to back it.

[1:42:22] So, the way cars are cars on the property.

[1:42:27] You can kind of see the northern property line.

[1:42:32] You can see a car parked right there.

[1:42:34] That's typically how the line is.

[1:42:39] Probably line.

[1:42:43] How they're situated adjacent to the public right away.

[1:42:46] Right?

[1:42:46] So, you've got seconds straight there to the north.

[1:42:49] and then probably just

[1:43:22] carving on.

[1:43:23] The most root of these are our

[1:43:52] grass.

[1:43:52] Just to give you a little context,

[1:43:54] looking at all the permanent directions.

[1:43:59] East, east, east, east, east, east, east, east, west.

[1:44:05] There's a single

[1:44:15] member of this request requirements.

[1:44:16] Are that expires upon either the issues

[1:44:20] of the building permit or two years of time.

[1:44:28] Well, storage is not allowed on stage.

[1:44:30] You know, displays, sales, rentals, or

[1:44:41] key and drainage.

[1:44:56] As requirements were to be quite helpful, this path.

[1:45:03] What is being proposed here is the reuse of a lot of lines, so walk from such church demolition. So the applicant is proposing to locate that block, be sure about, right where just one in order to pop a line, which is domain here, making red, because of the orientation of the parking site.

[1:45:30] So, Apple is also requesting that these blocks only stay in place between the months of, well, during the winter months.

[1:45:42] So, we start working hands, no November 15th to April 15th to cover that, but we'll get to that one a little bit.

[1:45:51] Can I ask you a question?

[1:45:52] You're going to play black, sir, junk, and the parking.

[1:45:57] That's what is being requested.

[1:46:00] Is there a height for this?

[1:46:02] Is there a height for this?

[1:46:02] If there's no height, we'll go back to the water from the deserts.

[1:46:06] On the screen there.

[1:46:07] Go back, go back to the pictures.

[1:46:09] So okay just that is a little barrier to learn from people.

[1:46:12] And then people have the right to go back.

[1:46:14] For example.

[1:46:15] Oh I'm taking those with the soot on their forehead.

[1:46:17] No, they're showing the pile of the sandstone from the...

[1:46:23] I'm like that's okay.

[1:46:25] No.

[1:46:25] No, no, I know what it looks like if not he was to use those stones which are located across the street as the parking barrier

[1:46:34] I'm going on to the road

[1:46:37] season recycle

[1:46:40] Okay, did I have looked at the picture?

[1:46:44] No, I'm okay. I did it when you see how you're dying that

[1:46:48] mistake or

[1:46:52] Sorry, I'm right here

[1:46:55] All right, so according to this on code, we have your specific criteria that you can be met in order for us to grant an IDP.

[1:47:03] They're all in your packet, and I'm not going to go through each one of them from their total vote, but staff found that they are indeed satisfied.

[1:47:15] And a client commission found the same as the regular meeting at the 12th of February.

[1:47:21] The request approval, as long as the removal of this barrier doesn't bring any type of likelihood of a city.

[1:47:29] There's a sort of state in regard to that.

[1:47:32] And staff didn't consult with the training with storm.

[1:47:34] We're going to pay a bet that's within the discussion about the city council too.

[1:47:39] to allow for a removal of a barrier during the summer months without any force you would like to do.

[1:47:50] Mike, I've got a couple of questions.

[1:47:57] When he originally started his project over there, he bought the land for his building.

[1:48:04] He was originally going to put building on that site, correct?

[1:48:09] Yeah.

[1:48:10] I think so. Yep. Yep. So now it's 15 years later. It's still like roughly 15 years later.

[1:48:19] It's still a grab a parking lot with no pan up in the building up.

[1:48:27] That we have seen as a city council or as the city staff.

[1:48:32] It's very fast in front of you. That's very fast for him to utilize the parking lot.

[1:48:37] The principal used for at least the next two years.

[1:48:42] Go ahead, Jeremy.

[1:48:43] I was here when this went down.

[1:48:47] You know, four?

[1:48:48] You're away.

[1:48:48] Well, three.

[1:48:49] I was here.

[1:48:50] My friends.

[1:48:52] It's friends.

[1:48:53] It's Jerry's house law.

[1:48:54] This is my house law.

[1:48:55] This was not the house.

[1:48:57] It was not the house.

[1:48:58] No, but it's tall tied to it.

[1:49:00] It's tall tied to the same project.

[1:49:02] At the time, we were excited because we're going to have building, business,

[1:49:07] rent a lot on top it was a good thing at the time. A lot of promises were made. A lot of

[1:49:13] promises and none of the goals have seemed to come through and every time I

[1:49:17] drive to my house I see it staring at me and then we had a chance to fix that and

[1:49:22] we did. So now we have a chance to fix this one and I'm not cool with the CUP.

[1:49:29] Quite frankly, I'm, I be sorry, and it drives me crazy that we've a lot of this long, and if

[1:49:39] he just intends to make it a parking lot, sell to the church and let them puked hard over it.

[1:49:45] I believe there's been, there's other things tied to it because of the frontier building,

[1:49:49] There's certain things you can't do or you can't dig.

[1:49:52] Something with the development is weird, it's affected because of the building that

[1:49:56] it's next to you.

[1:49:58] Yeah, I think it would be a deal.

[1:50:00] Difficult for him to buy the frontier building and develop that old front.

[1:50:04] Yes, there's something with the building can't go away because there's stuff tied to that camera.

[1:50:08] Yeah, they have a lot of futility in there.

[1:50:10] But I personally, I'm not sure how to type a hit. We even have a chance to get more teeth

[1:50:15] or what you can even do at this point. But the whole fact that it's been 15 isn't to me, it's not an argument to allow it.

[1:50:23] Like, hey, it's been this way long, I'm just keeping it. No, the fact that it's been that long is exactly the way you shouldn't.

[1:50:28] And what are you going to do with this thing?

[1:50:31] It's like a main street in Jordan.

[1:50:33] Main class.

[1:50:34] So the reason why it's here is because the school got toward us.

[1:50:40] So now what's going to happen is if you want to make this one a tart parking lot, we're

[1:50:43] got to turn around and tell St. John, they got to park, they got to tar there as two.

[1:50:47] We already gave it to them.

[1:50:48] They're the ones that initiated all of this by the, by the, by the, by the, I'm not

[1:50:53] cool.

[1:50:53] Keep them out on tar.

[1:50:54] They're gravel either.

[1:50:56] I don't.

[1:50:56] I'm granted, but I'm just one month's versus 15 years.

[1:51:01] It doesn't make it a difference how long it has been there

[1:51:04] actually on the rules or rules.

[1:51:05] I know, I'm just saying that it has been,

[1:51:07] it was there for 16 years, but I'm just saying

[1:51:10] if you want him to carve this thing,

[1:51:13] then we're going to have to go back and make

[1:51:14] say John's Tarlers too.

[1:51:16] So I'm just saying, I mean,

[1:51:18] but if you don't want to say John's Tarlers,

[1:51:21] I mean, this is his own private law.

[1:51:23] He's not charging rent to the church.

[1:51:24] You know I agree with Jeff, but at the same time while they're the same, they're also not the same.

[1:51:30] If I buy a building and say, look, I need a little bit of time to market this thing and try to sell it.

[1:51:35] That's fine, brand new.

[1:51:36] The other one?

[1:51:38] Can't say that because they've had it for 15 years.

[1:51:40] Well, it has no intention of doing anything with it.

[1:51:43] And I had we not forced him to apply for this hue and tap.

[1:51:47] We didn't force him to.

[1:51:48] We did by ordinance because we're doing nice to the church.

[1:51:51] We totally didn't think he needed to apply for one and we kind of said, yes, you do.

[1:51:56] Well, the reason why is because we were nice to the church.

[1:52:01] Yeah, yes, and no.

[1:52:03] We'll be able to believe that we gave them time to figure out what to do with that.

[1:52:08] But you don't ever lose your, you don't ever lose your team.

[1:52:11] You lose your team for the period of time that you said.

[1:52:14] So if you said it for two

[1:52:17] years, you are today.

[1:52:19] As you were last for two years.

[1:52:20] The promise what's happened is that things turn over and people change.

[1:52:25] You're like, oh okay, yeah, let's be reasonable with the guy.

[1:52:28] So, let's spend this because I don't want to utter an automatic review on it if you want to or however you want to call it.

[1:52:34] We don't, we don't automatically, it's already got the sunset, but presumably you could have an automatic review so it's going to come up in two years.

[1:52:41] One of the things that I think that this complicit gets rid of is if you do this, I think you have Asian-made, that's

[1:52:54] sort of the argument that you've allowed this for 15 years and not.

[1:52:58] What you say is, yeah, I agree. I'm not inclined.

[1:53:05] We're forcing him to say that.

[1:53:07] But nonetheless, he's applied for the permit years.

[1:53:11] There's no argument whether or not he's grandfathered in or not

[1:53:14] taking all the window out of the sales that argument for

[1:53:21] a lot of fees

[1:53:22] and a lot of time and expense of having him.

[1:53:26] He's an attorney, so let's just say his legal fees aren't expensive.

[1:53:30] What he's going to put in all these blocks, then are going to be able to be moved.

[1:53:33] Those are big blocks.

[1:53:35] No, you lost.

[1:53:36] I, so one of the things I've had, part of the time since the planning commission meeting, is on the blocks, the blocks would be able to be moved.

[1:53:45] But when he's asking for his to move then to be able to follow the block as it sits.

[1:53:51] Because otherwise, essentially the walking path that gets used is going to have folders in front of it.

[1:53:57] So he's asked to move that to that purpose during the winter, because then I want to have to follow around that.

[1:54:02] or have people trip over with your cover with snow.

[1:54:06] That was his argument.

[1:54:07] That was one of the other concerns.

[1:54:10] To me that piece of it, I have a little bit more of a hard time

[1:54:14] with when I reflect upon that a little bit more because

[1:54:18] to me it just seems like another thing that

[1:54:22] isn't necessarily committed per the code that we're now going to

[1:54:26] make an exception or a change or if that's anything.

[1:54:29] So I think the requirement is if I keep requires that it requires if you're around it's no different than anybody else

[1:54:35] Everybody has to figure out how to pull around their parking barriers and the same thing is you can't save all the parking barriers

[1:54:43] We're gonna cost me so much money so not of course to use these stones

[1:54:46] But yet the stones are gonna make it so that people are gonna potentially trip during the winter

[1:54:50] I mean it's a self creative problem

[1:54:53] If you wanted to put in the parking barriers like normally with you put in we get that there's a

[1:54:59] and cast them.

[1:55:00] I think he said the 251er box to put in those meant ones, and that this is a free way to do it. But if that's what you'll like to do, quite frankly, I think the stone will look better than a regular parking barrier. It's no different. We put in live stone at park. We put in live stone at a baseball field. You know, driving by and seeing live stone at the edge of it, you know, doing nice square stones from the building is going to look better than driving by and seeing either of these yellow cement paint,

[1:55:30] blocks or that type of thing at the edge of the gravity to me it's just whether or not to get

[1:55:35] moved or not. So. So I have the question at the Planning Commission if you gave them the two years

[1:55:41] what is this plan? So what are we buying time for? Well you buy the White House that's on the

[1:55:49] east side of the property going up towards 282. So potentially he could look at doing something that

[1:55:57] that he said it wrong before is that the lot wasn't big enough to do building on.

[1:56:04] But the number one thing that I think that we get is we get the cessation of this argument

[1:56:09] that it's grandfather that we've allowed it for too long or any of that.

[1:56:13] And I think that's a really big thing that everybody should really consider taking a look at

[1:56:18] for another two years when we play it over 15.

[1:56:22] It gets rid of that argument and it gets rid of if in two years you decide you don't want

[1:56:26] do it, he's already dealt with the issue of, he's essentially agreeing that it's not

[1:56:30] in compliance. And so that's a huge piece to me.

[1:56:35] Yeah, and the hope is that in the two years that he does come up with a plan to read, we have

[1:56:41] the site. He said he has plans for it, but this is supposed to be the push that gets

[1:56:49] So, the two years that we, we as the Plan and Commission recommended was, is that we took

[1:56:58] his concerns about the block and the ease of some removal and the possibility of people

[1:57:04] tripping over it in snow banks and stuff like that.

[1:57:07] We took that in consideration, we said, okay, tell you what, if you want to take them all

[1:57:11] during winter time, let's try it, because it would be the same as what it is now, and

[1:57:16] always complaining about the way it is now, that it's not being paid at all, but it's

[1:57:22] no removal of that type of stuff.

[1:57:24] And then we agree, at the end of two years, if we decided that it's not working, we want

[1:57:30] those parking retainers back in place, we can do it, or if the applies are really permit

[1:57:36] that it becomes no-lamboyant all the way above.

[1:57:39] I mean, I guess it is sort of a emotional argument, because the other thing that I was kind

[1:57:44] it shouldn't have bearing but it does but he has a charge of the church of dying for

[1:57:49] party pays his taxes on it. He's actually, you know, in a way, he could just put a

[1:57:54] fence or on the whole thing and nobody really knew it. I don't think that he can do it.

[1:57:58] When he could, as he has to have it, so it's open for parking for the Jordan Center.

[1:58:02] If that was the initial requirements, he didn't have an apartment's box at the Jordan Center,

[1:58:06] so it was a lot of the situation for that. But he could keep it.

[1:58:09] Can you get so that, yeah, I don't church park any of you carry any of that.

[1:58:12] Right, I mean, I'm just...

[1:58:13] I mean, but the argument that it doesn't provide a benefit, it provides a benefit that

[1:58:19] he now has at the parking for his Jordan.

[1:58:22] No, no, it's his property.

[1:58:23] I want to develop it at some point.

[1:58:25] No, I know.

[1:58:25] The future he also has to come and say, OK, I'm getting rid of my parking.

[1:58:29] That is at the Jordan Center to do this building and we'd have to grant him the ability

[1:58:34] to do that.

[1:58:36] I don't disagree.

[1:58:36] I'm going to spoke of it.

[1:58:37] Most things have been to the church.

[1:58:39] What I meant.

[1:58:39] Yeah.

[1:58:40] that he's not getting nothing for nothing financial.

[1:58:44] That's what I was trying to say is so.

[1:58:47] So that was the discussion we had a planning commission

[1:58:50] was just simply about moving the blocks.

[1:58:52] And like I said, if it doesn't work to yours, no,

[1:58:54] it's got to be going to put him back in.

[1:58:56] But if he needed this parking lot for a Jordan Center,

[1:59:00] I'm kind of baffled by it.

[1:59:01] I don't recall the time why we never made him target.

[1:59:06] And the chapter one still showed that the Jewish nation has come to the parliament, would be used as this law.

[1:59:13] So it doesn't show that.

[1:59:15] Who Ravi said?

[1:59:17] The chapter one saw her about that.

[1:59:19] So he could be rid of it.

[1:59:22] If you wanted to.

[1:59:22] Without a negative belief, that is partying for the argument.

[1:59:27] So he could.

[1:59:28] I heard from he, he is indicating that he left that meeting or that commission meeting or

[1:59:35] me, with the impression that it was okay and it was permitted for him to utilize that for

[1:59:45] parking floor as you're in the center but in the on the record that that's not shot.

[1:59:51] So it was it was okay that he could utilize it but it wasn't required because my understanding

[1:59:55] was different than my understanding was that that was a compromise because he didn't have enough

[1:59:59] parking when it was built.

[2:00:00] And that the grab a lot was the kind of recent compromise of saying, well, now you have enough parking, because you have this grab a lot that you can park people at for the Jordan Center.

[2:00:11] The only thing that the conversation didn't take place was that he, he's stated that it did.

[2:00:16] What I think is that it's off the minutes and the separate courts don't work with that.

[2:00:21] So as far as the research that South is being able to do, it's not...

[2:00:24] I can't imagine that with that it was required, because if it was, we would have made him

[2:00:28] tired at the same time, he'd tired the other one and curb the gutter and all that requirements

[2:00:33] that we made him do on the other one, but can't imagine we'd say, okay, but you could make

[2:00:36] that ground.

[2:00:37] Well, we would have never agreed to that.

[2:00:39] It was already gravel before the last one.

[2:00:41] Yeah, because they moved all the buildings and we agreed to allowing him to move the buildings.

[2:00:47] But I'm saying, if we were made him count this as parking, we wouldn't have said, okay, keep

[2:00:51] that ground.

[2:00:52] Will it also be never allowed parking as a principal use in the C2?

[2:00:57] No.

[2:00:58] Has the EDA ever reached out to the possibility?

[2:01:01] Because I know they've looked at buying gravel lads, lots trying to mark it on whatever we were talking.

[2:01:07] To him, I'm going to take you in off the stands if he doesn't want to develop it.

[2:01:11] He is indicated that he wants to develop it.

[2:01:14] He has never said that he doesn't want to develop this long.

[2:01:17] But he's been 15 plus years.

[2:01:19] Yeah, you're assuming, you're assuming that by the pace of the development, but he still wants to develop.

[2:01:28] He just recently fought the neighboring property.

[2:01:31] So, I mean, at least that's...

[2:01:35] He's making movement on it.

[2:01:42] That's a friend.

[2:01:43] Thank you.

[2:01:44] I just wanted to clarify something with regards to...

[2:01:48] There is a, there is a right up where it indicated that there was some discussions with regards to...

[2:01:54] parking in the Jordan Center, but there was never any console action taken associated with it.

[2:02:02] Or we'd find any document indicating that that indeed was

[2:02:11] agreed to fulfill that.

[2:02:17] So that's in polite conversations with Mr. Trudeau. We discussed that as well.

[2:02:25] And I just wanted

[2:02:30] to let it work and develop that life because it's not recording.

[2:02:42] Yes, it cuts both ways.

[2:02:44] With regards to ability to leave it as a...

[2:03:03] So, a quick question doesn't have to be two years.

[2:03:08] A recording?

[2:03:09] So, could we do it one year?

[2:03:21] Was it discussed at Planning Commission by James?

[2:03:23] We did not.

[2:03:24] We could talk a lot of one year because of the staff was recommended to two year.

[2:03:28] And then we were talking about going through a cycle with the block.

[2:03:34] This is an idea of block because obviously he's not going through the amount of his work through one winter.

[2:03:39] So, this coming year into 2019 would have been like the first time we have bought it.

[2:03:43] And then when you realize two years from now, we have one season to see if it was working or not.

[2:03:51] And if it didn't work, then we can make adjustments on the next two year IP.

[2:03:55] he asked, it's not automatic, he asked to come in and reapply.

[2:03:59] So if we want to make modifications or changes at that time,

[2:04:02] that's what we did that.

[2:04:05] Could we make it a one year?

[2:04:07] I don't want to see the block there, because the block's

[2:04:09] never going to leave.

[2:04:11] And it's going to stay at a gravel parking lot.

[2:04:14] It's going to look like not so nice.

[2:04:17] And I can see it'll be continued.

[2:04:19] It'll just be a continued parking lot

[2:04:21] because now it has this bill blocked.

[2:04:26] So I don't know if you're understanding correctly

[2:04:27] with these blocks out of it, it's just a barrier

[2:04:29] to keep the cars from going to the other side.

[2:04:30] Yeah, I don't want her there.

[2:04:32] Well, no, that's one of the conditions.

[2:04:34] We were demanding that.

[2:04:35] I don't want anything there, because that's

[2:04:37] going to keep that a parking lot.

[2:04:39] I don't want anything there.

[2:04:42] If we're going to give him one year to figure out

[2:04:44] what he's going to do with his plans.

[2:04:46] Give him one year to figure out what you're

[2:04:48] going to do in theory, they're going to build something.

[2:04:49] You're going to blow down that other house.

[2:04:51] I don't care what you do. I don't want to put anything more existing there. That's gonna maintain that as a gravel parking lot.

[2:04:58] That's our codes required.

[2:05:03] And I don't think that those stones are going to be a barrier to development. If you want to see how fast those stones got moved, I mean, same job, two days, if they want to go blocks, they're going to move blocks.

[2:05:15] I think it looked nice.

[2:05:16] Just like he's going to put something on that parking lot.

[2:05:19] If this is approved, it'll look much nicer with the blocks than without the blocks.

[2:05:23] But now you're going to take a parking lot.

[2:05:25] But to be moving that block,

[2:05:29] everybody lets you really think,

[2:05:31] yeah, I don't have it for a year to live.

[2:05:32] No, he's gonna, I'm with you on that.

[2:05:35] There's just, that's not gonna happen.

[2:05:37] Who said, you could hire enough kids

[2:05:38] to go lift all the blocks back and forth.

[2:05:41] That's ridiculous.

[2:05:42] As long as the church allows them,

[2:05:44] as long as he's allowed them to use it

[2:05:46] for the church, the church is the one that's being

[2:05:48] in the plow.

[2:05:49] So his idea is that essentially he doesn't want that

[2:05:52] to go away with being my guest.

[2:05:54] more and more he does it with the block he had said he would be moving the stones off of the side

[2:05:59] he's doing it

[2:06:00] he's the one that falls

[2:06:02] okay

[2:06:03] um...

[2:06:04] just me just the

[2:06:06] we were going on a limb with the block

[2:06:08] he had to block well

[2:06:09] if you put parking barriers and you put block it it didn't make a difference

[2:06:13] he just decided to use the blocks a it was free and be it looks nice of an

[2:06:17] parking barriers which is required by code

[2:06:20] okay so we didn't have no no wiggle room on that

[2:06:23] But we did allow him is because he was concerned that they were going to make it harder to plow.

[2:06:30] We allowed him for being able to take and move them to the corners that we were plowing easier.

[2:06:35] And people didn't trip over it.

[2:06:38] That's what we were looking at.

[2:06:41] So there's not blocks on pallet.

[2:06:44] It's like a stone that's...

[2:06:46] I believe it'll look nicer, but you could take a move off and on.

[2:06:51] That's why it would happen.

[2:06:52] But you don't want it.

[2:06:53] It's only a year or two thing.

[2:06:54] You want to see our goals.

[2:06:56] And then we can make a decision.

[2:06:57] That's what we basically do.

[2:06:58] We can make it here.

[2:06:59] Well, I'm Bill.

[2:07:00] And that's what I was talking about.

[2:07:01] It's when I was reflecting upon it.

[2:07:03] It seems to me that if we prior the parking area to be in place.

[2:07:06] We should just require it to be in place all the time.

[2:07:09] That's it.

[2:07:10] And instead of making another car belt exception, you know.

[2:07:14] Sometimes, people that aren't so good at following what the rules say.

[2:07:19] What if you sold that? What if the next guy? What if you were I bought that product?

[2:07:24] You'd like like, what the hell I keep on so far into here? I have to do those blocks every

[2:07:27] so many bugs? No, no, no, no.

[2:07:32] It's gone once the changes use is correct.

[2:07:39] IUP disappears on sale of the property or use.

[2:07:44] or

[2:07:48] two years,

[2:07:54] which I want to shorten that time frame for the members,

[2:08:02] it is up to the council.

[2:08:04] I think it's very useful.

[2:08:07] Let me, let me get the straight though.

[2:08:09] You got to have a parking barrier regardless of your route correct?

[2:08:13] The cost dates, date, physical barrier to prevent vehicle and project.

[2:08:19] You're around.

[2:08:20] We do not define the duration.

[2:08:23] We also do not define what we're looking for in the local area.

[2:08:26] But tell us if we've got to have one there, that's to tell you how long it is but it's telling you you've got to have one there

[2:08:34] So even put the rocks the blocks there and leave them there and for one year, that's it

[2:08:43] Can we make a motion with resolution 2-11 2019?

[2:08:48] I hope you've forgot a parking lot in the C2 that expires in one year

[2:08:55] with your blocks that do not get removed, they stay there the entire year.

[2:09:02] Or other barriers get put in place on the line.

[2:09:04] Yes.

[2:09:05] Do I have a second?

[2:09:06] All second, then.

[2:09:09] All right, I need this question.

[2:09:10] That year, from today, we're going to

[2:09:20] make sure.

[2:09:21] Well, here's the thing, you've got to put parking barriers there.

[2:09:23] Then you're going to, in regards to the parking barriers are going to be there, whether

[2:09:27] it would be a block or a curving paid at yellow that they have to walk over.

[2:09:33] So let's make the year from April to April, because by then there's not, it's not to be.

[2:09:41] Do you agree with that?

[2:09:42] I'll move to a perfect.

[2:09:46] There's a, is that okay?

[2:09:48] All right, so I have a motion and a second.

[2:09:51] So resolution 2-11, 2019, IUP for gravel parking lot, I'm going to see you two with changes.

[2:09:58] Exploration from one year.

[2:10:00] We're starting April 2019 to 2020 and maintaining that brick block, church block, whatever the blocks call, maintaining it there for the whole entire time for barrier, or whatever barriers they're using for parking, he has a choice.

[2:10:18] I get some chance.

[2:10:20] The answer to one other thing that I'm going to be done is that it seems to me that there's two right

[2:10:25] away to here and right now the current proposal only covers one.

[2:10:29] I get it that is argument this traditionally people aren't parking on the Bradley side

[2:10:35] of the street versus this week and two side of the street.

[2:10:38] But it would seem to me that you want to have barriers on all because there's no parking lines.

[2:10:43] There's no guarantee how people are going to park any of that.

[2:10:48] I'm not trying to throw that wrench in at last minute,

[2:10:50] but if somebody wanted to amend it with that, I just think of it.

[2:10:53] Okay, I'll amend that and include that on top of it.

[2:10:56] Do you have that?

[2:10:58] All right.

[2:10:59] Yeah.

[2:11:00] It's good to go with that.

[2:11:02] All right.

[2:11:02] So we have a motion in a second.

[2:11:05] Yes, Brian.

[2:11:07] Sorry.

[2:11:07] I just want your April April.

[2:11:11] Yes.

[2:11:12] I would suggest that it would be effective as it now

[2:11:16] if it gets passed through a date or surgery?

[2:11:21] Okay, three or four days.

[2:11:24] Two days of, 1, 2,000 or two, one.

[2:11:28] April 30th, whatever.

[2:11:30] Let's make it at the end of the month.

[2:11:32] It's kind of weird in the middle.

[2:11:36] Okay.

[2:11:37] Devon, don't get with that?

[2:11:39] All right, so we have one more.

[2:11:39] We'll be done, Mark.

[2:11:40] We will.

[2:11:41] We'll be done.

[2:11:42] All those in favor say aye.

[2:11:44] Aye.

[2:11:45] Opposed?

[2:11:46] You're secured.

[2:11:49] Any other properties that you found during this process that need to be used for this purpose?

[2:11:57] We did kind of the properties that appear to be a travel parking on this principle use,

[2:12:04] but due for the research, they're connected to properties or they are their own property,

[2:12:11] but we don't have any property when that is began.

[2:12:15] And so we need to be sure that, you know, let's start because I need to trace that protocol.

[2:12:26] All right, thank you, Lucinda.

[2:12:30] Let's move on to please support the EU team.

[2:12:33] Ready?

[2:12:34] Good evening, man.

[2:12:35] Mayor and council.

[2:12:36] I think this will be a little bit quicker, I hope.

[2:12:40] First item is just the January 2019, please report.

[2:12:44] Stats are for your view and comments only.

[2:12:47] If you want from your year, what 11 crimes will or for the last year,

[2:12:52] final stats,

[2:12:54] call for service and crimes, both,

[2:12:56] round one non-relator test as well.

[2:12:59] Give me questions that we have to answer.

[2:13:02] So on the two columns, and you have all of January 2019,

[2:13:05] and the other one you have 2018, is that the whole year?

[2:13:07] It's just a month of June.

[2:13:08] Yes, it's just a month of June. Thank you.

[2:13:13] Any other questions?

[2:13:23] All right, thank you, Chief.

[2:13:25] Let's move on to B.

[2:13:26] I don't be as a request for an additional handicapped parking stall on the 200-block of

[2:13:33] these first week by Total Health and Advantage. They're located on the north east side

[2:13:38] of that block, right across from City Hall and here's the Broadway Market parking lot.

[2:13:43] They cite that they have a probably higher than average frequency of individuals with handicapped

[2:13:51] frequent their business, due to their being a care practic in the size, based business.

[2:13:58] Currently, the downtown we do need to EDA requirements for the number of parking

[2:14:02] stalls that we have. There's one handicap parking stall right now on that

[2:14:07] block, what it's on the far north west side of the block, here's Rice Street.

[2:14:13] So, the occupants are the patrons of Toilet Health Vantage. I should say I have to

[2:14:17] on at the far west side and walk the entire block down to get to their business.

[2:14:22] We brought this request to the safety committee.

[2:14:26] The end of last month had the discussion that we're having now for the most part.

[2:14:30] We felt it was a prudent and reasonable request given the fact that they do probably

[2:14:37] and all like we would have a higher frequency of visitors, patrons who have handicaps.

[2:14:42] We did also send to all of the businesses within that block,

[2:14:45] letter explaining that we will be brings the council for discussion and potential approval

[2:14:51] as for feedback and receive none. So with that physically I estimate about $200 for a

[2:14:58] and fall wins.

[2:15:00] violation by our public works department.

[2:15:05] No curb work would need to be done because the eastern, north, eastern parking stall, a bus, the curb cut that's already there for, for Broadway market. So they would exit, generally, if I can't even kept ban, pulls in, they genuinely exit off the right side of that ban. It was just roll up, if need be, under the sidewalk there. So with that, I would, I would,

[2:15:29] for a motion to approve the installation. I want additional handicapped parking

[2:15:34] saw on North Eastern most parking saw in the 200 block of East First Street, as

[2:15:39] shown within the photo's attached with right up. I'd like to make a motion go ahead

[2:15:46] and do an additional handicapped parking spot. I'm going to have a motion go ahead a second.

[2:15:52] It's all second and there are questions. Go ahead. Did you get a chance to talk to

[2:15:56] You can see if they were okay with that spot.

[2:15:58] I guess they were.

[2:16:00] They were very happy with that.

[2:16:02] They understood that the curve cut and not potential wheelchair issues.

[2:16:05] Excellent.

[2:16:07] Thank you.

[2:16:08] All right.

[2:16:09] We have a motion in a second.

[2:16:10] All those in favor say.

[2:16:12] Both of you.

[2:16:12] Just a question.

[2:16:13] Why can't they use white?

[2:16:15] What's forgetting them from using them to the back of the building?

[2:16:20] I don't believe there's any part in buying the building.

[2:16:22] Why see cars parked there?

[2:16:23] Yeah, there's parking behind the door, but that's a staff only able to.

[2:16:29] I'm just curious whether they wouldn't.

[2:16:32] I don't know if they're, I guess,

[2:16:34] is there a staff up there, maybe?

[2:16:37] I don't know, I guess I happen to be.

[2:16:39] I mean, I'm just looking at this photograph that is blind.

[2:16:42] I see four cars there.

[2:16:45] I assume, or three in a dumpster me.

[2:16:47] I see a red wet or a brown one,

[2:16:49] and I just know that there's a big gap in the back.

[2:16:51] There are curious why they didn't use that spot.

[2:16:53] It looks like it would be less congestive.

[2:16:57] I haven't been in there, but I have a guest that normally people enter through the prompt

[2:17:01] and their receptions up front, so to have to start bringing.

[2:17:03] I guess I don't know what to say.

[2:17:05] I'm not familiar with the inside of the layout, so it's a split building, there's the insurance

[2:17:09] companies in there that are all the advantages on the left.

[2:17:11] It's our staff part, because so there's only one spot on each business I think in the

[2:17:17] back.

[2:17:18] That's what?

[2:17:20] All right.

[2:17:21] We have a motion in a second.

[2:17:22] All those in favor say aye.

[2:17:24] All right.

[2:17:25] Opposed.

[2:17:26] Motion carried.

[2:17:28] Well, we can move on to 12.0 public works.

[2:17:31] But I'm assuming Scott's sleeping because there's a snowstorm.

[2:17:34] Yeah, he can get back late last night too.

[2:17:36] Yeah.

[2:17:37] Four or so.

[2:17:38] Each he asked if he could stay home.

[2:17:40] And schools are closed already.

[2:17:43] Oh, great.

[2:17:44] The other one thing is, if any council has not done into city law,

[2:17:51] They're renovating it and it's looking nice even though it's renovating so I think we'd go ahead Jeremy

[2:17:57] I actually had a question of feet that a couple of people reach out to both the hockey, the warming house

[2:18:03] Yep, because now there's the Tuesday night where you're closing down the one

[2:18:08] Because of what I was skating lessons, yeah

[2:18:15] So what they're requesting is that we actually turn heat on and marbling else in the other one

[2:18:21] Okay, so we've got we've got it on we've got the open but the heat's not on so basically that wind break

[2:18:28] So sure, we're getting sure that that at least is on there. This is like that we all have that hardware quite a request

[2:18:33] No

[2:18:47] And the work come on ahead of you.

[2:18:51] So 13.0 consent agenda.

[2:18:53] We have A bills.

[2:18:55] We resolution to dash 12, 2018,

[2:18:58] after a submittal of 2040 content.

[2:19:00] And the month comes.

[2:19:01] So see, like the license for new or new.

[2:19:05] D commercial refuge.

[2:19:07] How are license renewal?

[2:19:09] And the one day consumption.

[2:19:10] Like your license.

[2:19:11] That same chance.

[2:19:12] That make a motion.

[2:19:13] the best because of the ABCD and we are in past eight.

[2:19:19] No, no, no.

[2:19:20] We have it.

[2:19:21] Are you seconding then?

[2:19:24] Sure.

[2:19:25] All right.

[2:19:26] We have a motion from Terry, the second from Robert.

[2:19:29] Any discussion?

[2:19:31] Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

[2:19:33] All right.

[2:19:34] Opposed.

[2:19:35] Thank you.

[2:19:36] 14 committee reports.

[2:19:38] We have planning commission minutes.

[2:19:40] Is there any discussion on any concern?

[2:19:42] I mean, but seeing that, let's move on to 15.0 Mayor comments.

[2:19:49] I want to make a suggestion.

[2:19:51] We had a, um, time and I had a discussion today that, since Dick game has had passed away,

[2:19:59] we would like...

[2:20:00] To do a resolution for him on May 4th, which is his birthday, and the honor him during his birthday, as well as on May 4th we will be having our big celebration for single name, I would think it would be a great tribute in honor for him.

[2:20:21] For the most stuff that he has done for his community is at the air really enough. I think it was just all that week

[2:20:29] Get a dick games a week. I mean this guy he does he has done a lot for this community

[2:20:34] That just ours, but the surrounding community for you know, so we could we could do me

[2:20:42] Yeah, yeah

[2:20:43] Yeah, yeah, I talked with daughter to then. She's up that video. Nice

[2:20:54] So it's up to council, do you want one day if you want the week and then we can present it.

[2:21:02] I thought it, whatever you guys decide.

[2:21:05] I like to make a motion to do a dick games a week.

[2:21:10] Maybe it's a little overkill, but...

[2:21:12] Saturday to Saturday, starting with May 4th.

[2:21:17] Okay, we'll come back as a next video.

[2:21:18] Yeah, thank you.

[2:21:20] That being said, since it's getting late, let's, and we have a post session that lets move on to council comment and let's start with to Mr. Jeff.

[2:21:30] I have nothing.

[2:21:32] No.

[2:21:32] I'm not familiar with anything.

[2:21:34] Very.

[2:21:34] I can prolong it, so.

[2:21:37] Jeremy, yes, no.

[2:21:38] I have a brief thing.

[2:21:39] Thank you to Chief Umphi and to Dr. House.

[2:21:42] It's not here about giving me a tour of the new police station and all around the town.

[2:21:45] This next time last Monday doing that, so I appreciate that, so thank you.

[2:21:50] Oh, and you graduated first.

[2:21:52] Are you graduated?

[2:21:54] Congratulations.

[2:21:57] I'm going to ask you a hard class, and then I'm done with it.

[2:22:00] I'm going to ask you a question.

[2:22:02] Thank you.

[2:22:02] I feel appreciate that.

[2:22:04] You're a firefighter.

[2:22:05] That's right.

[2:22:06] I'm not a firefighter.

[2:22:09] It's cool.

[2:22:09] Thank you.

[2:22:11] Nothing for me.

[2:22:12] I think we spend that much time on the parking lot, but.

[2:22:17] All right, so we are going to move to close session of public meeting.

[2:22:24] Maybe close.

[2:22:25] Soon to Minnesota Statue Section 13, the National Five.

[2:22:30] Some divisions read when councils to discuss the turning plan of privileged managers, such as

[2:22:35] pending litigation.

[2:22:37] Three-minute reasons prior to that.

[2:22:38] Yep.

[2:22:40] Oh, the city is tough.

[2:22:41] So here I have to continue.

[2:22:43] The city is that certain properties rising from the benefits

[2:22:46] received from the Valley View Drive improvements

[2:22:49] as part of the Southwest Interceptor project.

[2:22:53] One of those properties was the property located

[2:22:56] at 3.50 Valley View Drive, Jordan, Minnesota.

[2:23:00] Personal ID number 22072, 0040.

[2:23:04] The amount assessed was $14,570.

[2:23:08] That property owner has appealed this assessment to Minnesota statute sections 429.081 to the Scott County District Court file number 70-cv-18-649 of the council will now go into closed session to discuss a settlement offer received from the property owner regarding the pending litigation.

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