[0:06] >>> good morning, everyone

[0:08] , thank you so much for being here today.

[0:12] a little bit after 9:00,

[0:15] 9:06 a.m. , on

[0:17] february 19th . Our council meeting

[0:18] will begin.

[0:21] roll call.

[0:39] >>> everybody is here. Thank you

[0:42] so much.

[0:51] >>

[0:54] I would like to have a moment

[0:57] of silence for

[0:59] reverend bill who served the city

[1:00] for 20 years and

[1:03] was a friend to everyone.

[1:06] a moment of silence

[1:09] for bill, his family.

[1:39] >> heavenly father , we come before

[1:41] you today and ask you be with each

[1:42] of us in

[1:45] all we do and always say. Help us

[1:48] to be a blessing to others.

[1:51] lord, god

[1:54] , we thank you

[1:56] for all you have done for us in the

[1:57] past and all you will do

[2:00] for us in the future. Father, bless

[2:01] all the families represented here

[2:03] today and bless

[2:05] this city council and the decisions

[2:06] they make

[2:09] and made

[2:10] those decisions be pleasing to you.

[2:15] psalm 33:12 says blessed is

[2:18] the nation

[2:21] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:24] . Amen.

[2:30] >>>

[2:35] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america

[2:36] and to the republic for which it stands

[2:37] one nation

[2:38] under god indivisible with liberty and justice for

[2:39] all.

[2:45] 's period

[2:51] could all of our veterans stand.

[2:54] we thank you for your service. [ applause ]

[2:57] do

[3:00] we have any announcements?

[3:06] >>> I would like

[3:09] to thank the johnsons

[3:11] for letting us use the space free

[3:12] of charge. Very generous

[3:15] of them.

[3:18] [ indiscernible -low volume

[3:21] ] [ applause ]

[3:24] >>

[3:27] I wanted to announce , melissa

[3:30] and I went

[3:33] to tallahassee. It was extremely productive

[3:36] . I cannot tell you how wonderful

[3:39] it is to have them help out with the

[3:40] changes,

[3:42] special sessions ,

[3:45] they made everything work.

[3:48] they presented

[3:51] the [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[3:53] we have fully dollars and they would

[3:54] support it. Amazing

[3:57] , the president

[3:59] is personally sponsoring this for us

[4:00] , which is

[4:03] a huge thing.

[4:06] he said he would take it.

[4:09] vanessa oliver will carry it to the floor.

[4:12] it is a big deal

[4:14] for us and I think that is pretty

[4:15] cool we will have the governor

[4:18] signed it and we will have that equipment.

[4:24] [ applause ]

[4:27] we will start off

[4:30] with our proclamations. Excuse me,

[4:31] our next meeting

[4:33] is march 5th at the laishley community

[4:36] room .

[4:39] melissa, you said

[4:42] you would put signs out?

[4:43] >>

[4:45] we will have signage.

[4:51] signage versus city council meeting here.

[4:57] --signage that says

[5:00] city council meeting her.

[5:01] >>

[5:03] agenda approval ?

[5:06] do we want to pull in the items?

[5:09] from the meeting we had

[5:11] yesterday morning , I believe we will

[5:12] request to

[5:15] pull parks and recreation , is

[5:18] that okay ?

[5:19] >> yes . >>

[5:21] we will pull the status of

[5:24] the ymca because we had a community member

[5:26] in district 1 who wanted to meet with

[5:27] them so we

[5:29] wanted to pull that to give them time

[5:30] to bring forward

[5:33] a good presentation about the ymca.

[5:36] is that okay?

[5:39] third thing, move 911 dispatch to

[5:41] the first topic of conversation for

[5:42] regular agenda.

[5:45] is that okay? Perfect,

[5:48] thank you . Anything else I needed

[5:51] ? Now, we will

[5:53] start with populations or presentations,

[5:54] the first is st.

[5:57] vincent de paul

[6:00] day. Janis ?

[6:06] >>

[6:13] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[6:19] proclamation

[6:22] today in punta gorda , whereas

[6:24] the county continues and has been

[6:28] affected by

[6:29] the devastating effects of recent hurricanes

[6:31] with many

[6:32] of our neighbors finding themselves

[6:33] in dire distress and need of assistance,

[6:34] whereas,

[6:36] the society of st. Vincent de paul

[6:42] has a mission to assist those in need

[6:43] by responding to

[6:44] community and individual needs and programs

[6:47] such as disaster relief services,

[6:49] job training, placement

[6:52] , thrift

[6:53] stores, food pantry, housing programs,

[6:55] and many others,

[6:57] always seeking [ indiscernible -low

[6:58] volume

[7:00] ] towards the flourishing of every person,

[7:04] whereas, the local churches and

[7:07] charities, including

[7:10] the food pantries

[7:13] --relieving

[7:16] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[7:17] and participating in seasonal programs

[7:19] for school supplies

[7:22] and assistance . Whereas ,

[7:24] each year , the four conferences of

[7:27] st. Vincent de paul in charlotte county

[7:30] will raise funds to increase awareness

[7:33] of the less fortunate in our community

[7:36] where every money raised benefits

[7:37] the

[7:39] neighbors in charlotte county. The

[7:40] city council

[7:42] of the city of punta gorda , florida

[7:46] hereby proclaims

[7:48] march 8, 2025 as st. Vincent de paul

[7:49] day .

[7:52] and encourages all city

[7:54] --charlotte county residents to participate

[7:58] in the 16th annual [

[7:59] indiscernible -low volume ] or volunteer

[8:01] with the society

[8:04] to support its mission.

[8:07] duly adopted this 19th

[8:10] day of february, 2025, city of

[8:12] punta gorda, florida . Is there anything

[8:13] you

[8:16] would like to say?

[8:17] >> I would like

[8:18] to

[8:19] thank everyone, without us raising money,

[8:22] we would not be able to help

[8:23] thousands of people per year. With electricity.

[8:25] even

[8:28] mortgage payments. Thank you

[8:31] , everybody.

[8:34] [ applause ]

[8:40] >>

[8:43] photo opportunity.

[8:49] >> there

[8:52] you are.

[9:01] >> thank you . [ applause ]

[9:06] >> next presentation is black history month.

[9:25] >> it is with great honor

[9:27] that I am able to present this proclamation

[9:28] this

[9:31] morning to

[9:34] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[9:37] [ applause ]

[9:43] whereas , during black history month

[9:45] , we honor the courage and tenacity

[9:46] of the black

[9:48] american need to overcome and expand

[9:52] [ indiscernible

[9:55] -muffled ]

[9:58] the civil principle that

[9:59] all people are created equal, whereas

[10:01] , black history month affords a

[10:04] special opportunity for

[10:05] all americans to celebrate and reflect

[10:07] on black heritage and to honor the

[10:08] many black

[10:09] leaders who are contributing to the

[10:10] progress of

[10:12] our nation in the face of great diversity. Whereas

[10:16] , knowledge of this difficult past

[10:17] can

[10:18] strengthen the insight of all of our citizens

[10:19] ,

[10:20] regarding the issues of human rights,

[10:23] the great strides that have been made,

[10:25] and the effort to eliminate

[10:28] the barriers for a quality with minorities

[10:31] and whereas

[10:34] the city of punta gorda is proud to

[10:35] honor

[10:36] the history and achievements of its

[10:37] black community

[10:43] [ indiscernible

[10:46] -muffled ] to

[10:49] community organizations such

[10:52] as community united

[10:55] [ indiscernible ] naacp

[10:58] who continue to

[11:00] provide support and resources to help

[11:01] our city

[11:04] thrive. Therefore , the city

[11:06] council of the city of punta gorda

[11:07] , florida hereby

[11:09] proclaim the month of february, 2025

[11:10] , as black

[11:13] history month,

[11:15] duly adopted this 19th day of february, 2025.

[11:19] [

[11:22] applause ]

[11:28] >> my lord and savior

[11:30] , jesus christ, I want to acknowledge

[11:31] you all for

[11:34] even considering

[11:37] --this is very special to us.

[11:40] I want to acknowledge

[11:42] the representatives. My father here,

[11:43] my

[11:46] wife year , we have sponsors as well

[11:49] , pastor jermaine andrews

[11:52] .

[11:53] word and power kingdom centered in

[11:55] port charlotte.

[11:58] demetrius thomas ,

[12:00] st. Mary's baptist church, our sponsors

[12:04] ,

[12:05] we are an organization, nonprofit

[12:07] that goes out

[12:10] and tries to reach the needs of

[12:12] the people by serving the food, hygiene products,

[12:16] we minister

[12:19] , we do it all.

[12:22] trying to be the hands and feet of jesus.

[12:25] we are looking to be here

[12:28] to be with you all on the fifth

[12:34] , the operator of the community

[12:36] garden on virginia. We just thank

[12:37] you for

[12:39] this opportunity and we look forward

[12:40] to doing greater things

[12:43] in the city.

[12:46] >> [ applause ]

[12:58] >>

[13:01] did you want anybody else in the photo

[13:02] with you?

[13:04] family and friends?

[13:05] >>

[13:07] come on down.

[13:49] >>

[13:52] [

[13:55] applause ]

[14:01] >> next ,

[14:04] the 80th anniversary of the battle of

[14:07] iwo jima.

[14:08] >> I'm honored

[14:13] [ indiscernible -low volume

[14:16] ] to receive this

[14:19] proclamation whereas,

[14:21] 1945, the united states marine corps

[14:22] with the navy

[14:25] and army , fought the

[14:28] most grueling battle on the battle

[14:29] of

[14:31] iwo jima .

[14:34] over the course of 36

[14:36] days, more than 70,000 american servicemembers explained

[14:41] --displayed extranet courage

[14:44] --

[14:47] extraordinary courage

[14:53] [ indiscernible -muffled

[14:56] ] resilience , unwavering spirit

[14:59] , whereas

[15:02] , [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[15:05] to those

[15:07] who fought in the battle of iwo jima .

[15:11] [ indiscernible -

[15:14] low volume ] the sacrifice of

[15:16] those who bought at iwo jima , including

[15:18] the thousands who gave their lives

[15:20] must never

[15:23] be forgotten. Help

[15:26] to secure the freedom we enjoy

[15:29] today and punta gorda recognizes

[15:32] that gratitude 02

[15:35] [ indiscernible -muffled

[15:38] ]

[15:41] this battle to

[15:44] be reaffirmed the commitment

[15:46] and honor those who stood in defense

[15:49] of liberty [ indiscernible -muffled

[15:50] ]

[15:53] therefore, the city council of

[15:56] punta gorda, florida proclaims

[15:59] they were 19th, 2025 as the

[16:02] 80th anniversary

[16:04] of the battle of iwo jima and encourages

[16:05] all

[16:06] citizens to reflect on the sacrifices

[16:07] made by these brave servicemembers

[16:08] and

[16:11] honor their enduring legacy. The

[16:14] newly adopted

[16:17] on this 19th day of february

[16:20] , 2025 .

[16:21] >>

[16:23] [ applause ]

[16:38] >> thank you .

[16:44] I am a

[16:47] jr. Vice, not --

[16:53] out of cape coral, florida.

[16:56] we are the ones

[16:58] that meeting the iwo jima monument

[17:02] that you see in

[17:05] veterans park.

[17:08] this sunday,

[17:11] deborah 23rd,

[17:14] we will be doing --

[17:20] february 23rd,

[17:23] this is important,

[17:26] the anniversary, the exact date

[17:29] --[ indiscernible -muffled

[17:32] ]

[17:35] I want to thank the city council

[17:38] and yourself . So much.

[17:44] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[17:47] appreciate it.

[17:50] [ applause ]

[17:53] >> all marines in

[17:56] the audience

[17:59] join us for a photograph.

[18:02] >>

[18:05] could we bring up all the veterans, please?

[18:11] >> [ indiscernible -muffled

[18:14] ]

[18:29] veterans, come on!

[18:35] >> [ applause ]

[18:59] >> last but

[19:01] not least, a special proclamation

[19:02] for

[19:05] betty louise munford they.

[19:08] -- day.

[19:11] >> brenda

[19:14] ,, peter , thank you

[19:17] --

[19:20] I am honored to present this to

[19:23] her daughter. Betty

[19:26] louise munford

[19:29] was born on march 16th, 1934

[19:32] .

[19:35] a pharmacist and a teacher

[19:38] , who it

[19:41] --[ indiscernible -

[19:44] muffled ]

[19:47] segregation

[19:49] profoundly impacted her early years

[19:50] as she was

[19:53] buzzed past

[19:54] white schools to attend black junior

[19:56] and senior high schools. She excelled

[19:58] academically, graduating from central

[19:59] high school

[20:02] and immediately enrolled at the university

[20:05] of louisville

[20:07] where she completed her masters degree

[20:08] in three years before pursuing graduate

[20:11] studies. Whereas, betty was dedicated

[20:12] to

[20:13] building relationships , eliminating

[20:14] racial injustice

[20:17] and

[20:19] promoting minority entrepreneurship.

[20:23] materials and

[20:25] training for the young women's christian

[20:26] association center of racial justice

[20:29] ,

[20:31] the value of minority owned businesses

[20:32] and the director

[20:35] of the council and establishing the

[20:38] minority purchasing program.

[20:40] her dedication did not go unnoticed

[20:41] as she received

[20:43] numerous accolades including recognition

[20:47] from president ronald reagan , george

[20:48] h.w. Bush

[20:50] , and bill clinton.

[20:52] after relocating to charlotte county

[20:53] in 2017

[20:56] , betty remained committed to humanitarian

[20:59] causes until her passing

[21:02] with

[21:05] habitat for humanity, the aclu,

[21:08] and the national association for the

[21:09] advancement of

[21:11] colored people , and

[21:14] the tuskegee airmen museum

[21:16] and doctors without borders. Therefore,

[21:20] the city council of

[21:22] punta gorda, florida hereby proclaims

[21:23] february 19th ,

[21:26] 2025 as betty louise munford

[21:29] day and urges all

[21:32] citizens to follow her example to

[21:33] make the city

[21:35] a more just place.

[21:38] on the 19th day of february,

[21:41] 2025 , in the

[21:44] city of punta gorda, florida.

[21:45] >>

[21:51] [ applause ]

[21:52] >> I want to say a quick thank you.

[21:54] her 90 years

[21:57] she touched a lot of lives

[21:59] and she strive every day to do what

[22:03] is right and

[22:04] help everybody appreciate and love

[22:06] each other.

[22:09] she was a wonderful woman. A

[22:12] wonderful woman.

[22:13] I appreciate this award very much.

[22:15] >>

[22:18] [ applause ]

[22:47] >> what a wonderful morning of populations.

[22:51] now we go to public input.

[22:52] those who wish to introduce themselves

[22:54] as nominees

[22:59] --anyone wishing to address the council

[23:00] on any matters, state the

[23:01] name for the record, and afterwards

[23:03] , we will do

[23:05] the nominees . Each person will be

[23:06] allowed to speak

[23:07] up to a maximum of three minutes.

[23:09] please, be respectful

[23:12] .

[23:18] >> hello,

[23:21] my name is keith anderson.

[23:24] I will speak about the

[23:27] 911 center consolidation.

[23:30] as background, I practiced

[23:32] emergency medicine and critical care

[23:33] for

[23:34] 42 years and my specialty is ems systems

[23:36] and I was one of

[23:38] the first emergency physicians in

[23:39] the united states

[23:41] formally trained in emergency dispatch.

[23:45] also, I was an

[23:46] operational consultant to the united

[23:48] states army

[23:51] , second airborne

[23:52] , special operations forces in ft.

[23:54] bragg. Professor

[23:57] at the jfk center at ft.

[24:00] bragg for 10 years.

[24:03] I

[24:06] would like to thank you , I am her

[24:07] to urge you to reject any plan that

[24:09] allows the county sheriff to

[24:12] take control of the 911 communications center.

[24:17] it is a matter of public safety, accountability

[24:18] , and

[24:21] responsible governance.

[24:23] the sheriff is an elected official,

[24:27] not a neutral administrator.

[24:29] if we hand over our cities 911 operation

[24:33] to emergency response,

[24:34] political office with no accountability

[24:36] to this council

[24:39] for our city's leadership. That is

[24:42] a risk we cannot afford at any price

[24:45] . 911 dispatchers serve the needs

[24:47] of every resident and should not be

[24:49] affected by political pressures, budget

[24:51] decisions made outside the chamber

[24:54] , policy set by a single elected

[24:56] official. Instead, consolidating the sheriff

[24:59] we should establish a structure that

[25:00] ensures balanced oversight

[25:03] , whether through an independent director

[25:05] , a professional civilian administrator, or

[25:08] a regional board with the proper checks

[25:12] and balances.

[25:14] when seconds count, we need a system

[25:15] focused on efficient professionalism

[25:18] and responsiveness. Centralizing control

[25:21] could lead to delays , conflict

[25:23] of interests , and reduced coordination

[25:24] with

[25:27] city emergency services . We must prioritizes

[25:29] serving all first responders equally

[25:33] and remaining

[25:36] accountable to the public and not just

[25:40] one elected official. We deserve a

[25:41] 911 that is independent accountable

[25:42] to the

[25:45] people it serves . I urge this council

[25:46] to stand

[25:47] firm against any proposal that gives

[25:48] the sheriff control of our

[25:50] emergency communications. Instead,

[25:51] we should create a

[25:54] system that ensures reliability , fairness

[25:57] , and safety for all.

[26:00] >>

[26:03] [ applause ]

[26:09] >> good morning.

[26:12] I want to talk

[26:15] about the 911 dispatch as well.

[26:18] the city of punta gorda

[26:20] is a small centralized place where

[26:21] there is a lot

[26:24] of historic buildings

[26:27] , valuable buildings, but ,

[26:29] historically valuable and culturally

[26:30] valuable buildings.

[26:33] our

[26:36] 911 system is serving as

[26:39] --us very well, our

[26:45] response time is better than the county

[26:47] as a whole and I want to selfishly

[26:48] say that we would not

[26:51] have --we would not be in

[26:54] our house right now if it were not

[26:55] for

[26:57] the city dispatch , the

[27:00] 911 center. We had a fire

[27:03] when the

[27:04] saltwater went to the electrical system and

[27:06] we did not know

[27:08] . We were sleeping at 6:00 in the morning.

[27:12] a friend accidentally woke us in

[27:15] an unrelated event and the house was

[27:18] on fire. It was

[27:20] a five to 10 minute window we would

[27:21] have lost our house

[27:23] . The ceiling had just caught fire.

[27:24] when I was on

[27:27] the phone to 911, I could

[27:30] hear the sirens coming.

[27:33] the fire and police were exemplary.

[27:36] I cannot imagine a

[27:39] better situation. People saying their houses

[27:40] were

[27:42] more destroyed by the water then by fire

[27:45] that was not the case .

[27:47] they respected our possessions. They

[27:48] went above

[27:51] and beyond. I would

[27:53] like that situation to continue. I

[27:54] am very grateful to

[27:57] the police and fire and I'm very grateful to

[28:00] our 911 dispatch system.

[28:03] we could

[28:05] not do that if we were controlled.

[28:06] thank you

[28:09] .

[28:10] >> [ applause ]

[28:15] >> good morning.

[28:18] I live on

[28:21] raven court in punta gorda and

[28:23] have lived here year-round for 25 years.

[28:27] I have seen the city grow and services

[28:30] get better and better. I want to

[28:33] thank all of you who have volunteered

[28:34] your

[28:36] time to be representatives of us

[28:39] . Working

[28:42] as a city council person is not an

[28:45] easy job. And democracy is

[28:48] hard work. It is also our job,

[28:51] as public citizens, to let

[28:53] you know what we need. I want you

[28:54] to know

[28:57] that we need to keep our 911 dispatch service.

[29:00] our police and

[29:03] fire departments could not provide

[29:06] better service . They do

[29:09] that because they can't respond so quickly.

[29:12] if we did not control the

[29:14] 911 dispatch , they would not have

[29:15] the time

[29:17] to do what I personally have observed

[29:18] ,

[29:21] calming people down when the

[29:24] paramedics arrived, rather than just go

[29:30] --for helping

[29:33] a woman assess

[29:36] whether she needs to go to the hospital

[29:42] or they need to get her a cup of coffee

[29:43] and listen to

[29:46] her to make she --or she is

[29:47] stable enough. If they did not have

[29:49] the quick response

[29:50] , they would not have the time to

[29:52] do that.

[29:55] they would just

[29:56] have to go to the emergency room.

[29:58] which means over the bridge

[30:01] .

[30:04] [ indiscernible -muffled ] please ensure

[30:07] you keep our 911

[30:09] dispatch service so that we can continue

[30:13] to have a great police

[30:14] and fire department. Thank you very

[30:16] much.

[30:17] >>

[30:22] [

[30:25] applause ]

[30:27] >> my blood pressure is rising . I

[30:28] have

[30:31] been living in this town for

[30:34] 20 years and visiting since 1979

[30:37] when my

[30:38] family started investing in properties

[30:40] in punta gorda . I helped

[30:43] --

[30:49] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[30:51] in 2013 , an incident occurred which

[30:52] took me

[30:55] years to understand why a drug user

[30:58] terrorizing my life and

[31:00] chasing me all over the county. Whenever

[31:01] I went out,

[31:04] I was terrified, I had

[31:05] my car blodgett one night when I went

[31:07] out by druggies.

[31:10] I believe that was correlated

[31:13] by a former councilman ,

[31:14] charles wallace and I oppose anything

[31:19] connected with the sheriff, I think

[31:21] he is a criminal who belongs in prison,

[31:25] detective wagner , they were

[31:26] supposed to protect me, they did not

[31:30] , I kept contacting them over and

[31:33] over again . I was so scared to death

[31:34] , people were

[31:37] knocking on my windows. I had to go

[31:39] around my home at night time to make

[31:40] sure there

[31:41] was nobody hanging around my house

[31:43] trying to get --

[31:45] so I could get into my home safely. Finally,

[31:49] I get in touch with wagner who did

[31:50] not respond to any of my correspondence

[31:52] and was not available. She was

[31:55] out sick. Pardon me. I have been

[31:57] out sick . She left me not protected

[32:01] for weeks.

[32:03] I had a cell phone number and reamed him

[32:06] about no protection. From day one,

[32:10] when he sent out wagner to my home,

[32:12] he did not seem to care about what

[32:13] was

[32:16] going on. I did not know why

[32:17] I was being chased around by druggies,

[32:19] why somebody

[32:21] acted like they wanted to kill me.

[32:22] I had

[32:25] no idea what was going on

[32:26] I center everything I could possibly

[32:28] think of who may be mad at

[32:31] me. Well , they did nothing and

[32:34] the sheriff and wagner

[32:37] belong in prison with several

[32:40] other detectives

[32:43] . I highly recommend you

[32:45] do not connect with them in any way,

[32:46] shape, form, and this is what

[32:47] we pay so much. Probably almost half

[32:49] of our revenues, tax revenues

[32:52] , go to the police department because

[32:54] we do not want to be affiliated with

[32:55] corruption in the

[32:58] sheriff's department.

[33:04] >>

[33:07] bill page.

[33:10] I recently had the privilege

[33:12] of attending the citizens academy

[33:13] with the

[33:16] police department. I would like

[33:19] to commend them on what I saw

[33:22] as creativity

[33:24] and making do with what they had available

[33:25] to them.

[33:28] the use of the 64 volunteers

[33:31] and services and values to

[33:34] the citizens . Recently,

[33:37] the city --

[33:43] [ indiscernible -muffled ] I recommend we

[33:46] look at doing more of this

[33:48] activities with citizens involvement.

[33:52] constantly hearing there is a shortage

[33:53] of resources

[33:55] for the city.

[33:57] if you look through the town, you

[33:58] have a tremendous

[34:01] talent base. You have folks that have

[34:04] many years of dealing directly with fema.

[34:07] you have real estate people

[34:10] that have developed code.

[34:12] financial people , purchasing people.

[34:16] and

[34:19] for labor.

[34:22] in

[34:25] the planning for hurricanes . We have

[34:26] people set

[34:28] up on a temporary

[34:31] --they come back in and help with

[34:34] the cleanup.

[34:46] one other thing I would like to

[34:49] challenge is,

[34:52] the studies, if we do not have professionals

[34:55] that are doing their job and know

[34:56] what the

[34:57] problems are, why do we need a study

[35:01] after having

[35:03] known we have a water meter problem

[35:04] in 2022

[35:07] and we

[35:09] want to now take the time to do a

[35:10] study? That is ridiculous. If you

[35:13] do not have

[35:15] professionals doing the job and do

[35:16] what the problem is and can address

[35:18] it, we need to realign our resources.

[35:19] thank you.

[35:22] >> [

[35:25] applause ]

[35:28] >> good

[35:31] morning, everybody

[35:34] . I am a resident of punta gorda .

[35:37] red tie

[35:40] , all the way from tampa bay to key west.

[35:43] and,

[35:47] somebody made a comment this morning

[35:49] on my video

[35:52] . About

[35:55] all the waters are connected.

[36:01] I want to say,

[36:04] I attended the pgi canal meeting

[36:07] . Dr.

[36:10] richard whitman personally handed

[36:11] me

[36:13] his presentation.

[36:16] had a very productive meeting. What

[36:19] I learned in this meeting,

[36:22] we have

[36:25] a serious disconnection

[36:28] from our state legislator,

[36:31] to the

[36:33] county commissioner, to the city council,

[36:34] and to

[36:37] washington, d.c.

[36:43] in 2018 , I coined

[36:46] the phrase

[36:48] florida water quality crisis . That

[36:49] is because

[36:52] , in that time , we have so many

[36:55] dead sea life and in the

[36:58] showing up on the east and west coast.

[37:01] as I speak right now,

[37:04] littered

[37:07] with thousands of dead

[37:10] sea life , not hundreds , thousands.

[37:16] there is a group out there that is exposing

[37:19] all the spraying of

[37:22] the chemicals .

[37:28] pastor scott wilson

[37:31] is spearheading this.

[37:34] dennis lee, who

[37:37] lives on lake okeechobee

[37:41] for years. These guys have

[37:44] exposed all of the

[37:46] chemicals being sprayed. I will request

[37:47] that

[37:50] our city stops spraying

[37:53] any chemicals anymore on

[37:56] his quails. Remember

[37:58] the days when we had guys from the

[38:01] jail working , send them back out.

[38:05] the ones on the

[38:06] behavior and will be released back

[38:08] into society.

[38:11] but, this, all these

[38:14] chemicals , the

[38:16] toxic pollution I have been talking about

[38:17] ,

[38:20] the fertilizer, all

[38:26] tied together.

[38:27] it has been a long journey but we

[38:29] will get there.

[38:32] thank you,

[38:35] everybody.

[38:36] >> [ applause

[38:38] ]

[38:39] >> good afternoon.

[38:41] my name is mark

[38:44] . I live on susie street.

[38:47] the purpose

[38:50] is to address city council

[38:52] and the group overall as a whole.

[38:56] I want to

[38:57] talk about excellence in healthcare with

[38:59] punta gorda and preface

[39:00] this by saying I appreciate , respect,

[39:04] all of the doctors that take care of

[39:08] us.

[39:11] it 926 , my parents moved

[39:14] --in 1986 ,

[39:17] my parents moved here. I have

[39:20] seen the progression. You

[39:23] look at

[39:26] lee health, nch, hhs

[39:29] hospital , I can go down the list

[39:31] , hospitals we partnered with, this

[39:32] is

[39:34] not a self-serving [ indiscernible

[39:35] -

[39:37] low volume ] I am a consultant. I

[39:38] have

[39:39] 20 years administrative expertise.

[39:44] [ indiscernible

[39:47] -low volume ]

[39:49] that was one of my clients in certain locations.

[39:53] a partial --

[39:56] [ indiscernible -low volume ] what

[39:59] does it mean? Right now , as you know

[40:02] , the ambulance comes ,

[40:04] they do a great job , the paramedics can

[40:08] they only can take you to faucet

[40:10] or the other shore point hospital.

[40:16] not disparaging them. Recently, we

[40:17] were

[40:20] involved in the hhs

[40:23] hospital.

[40:29] [ indiscernible -low volume

[40:32] ] my

[40:35] question is, what is the

[40:37] city council [ indiscernible -low

[40:38] volume

[40:41] ] . Who and what are on the committees?

[40:42] what

[40:44] is the engagement with adventist health?

[40:47] what does asset mean

[40:50] for punta gorda hospital ? What

[40:53] is the plan and what is the

[40:55] local support? Now is the time to

[40:56] get that

[40:59] committee together. Adventist health

[41:00] is

[41:02] a great company.

[41:05] first-class healthcare.

[41:08] very exciting they are going

[41:11] to be in charlotte county. Right now,

[41:14] if I have to have my

[41:16] knee done , I am going to naples ,

[41:17] if I

[41:20] have a heart attack probably not going

[41:21] to

[41:23] go to the hospitals here, I am

[41:25] not talking about the doctors , I

[41:26] am talking about

[41:29] the facilities. Topic for consideration,

[41:32] some small way.

[41:35] thank you for your time.

[41:36] >>

[41:38] [ applause ]

[41:41] >> I will make

[41:44] a brief comment. We

[41:47] did meet with

[41:50] shorepoint

[41:53] recently and we

[41:54] understand the crisis we have and

[41:56] need to be proactive. We have been

[41:57] talking

[41:58] about putting together a healthcare

[41:59] roundtable of

[42:02] residents, physicians who want

[42:04] to be involved in fostering this issue

[42:05] so we

[42:07] have quality healthcare within the city.

[42:11] it is on

[42:14] our radar. We will be reaching out

[42:17] .

[42:20] >> we would like to connect.

[42:26] >> sir,

[42:29] can you please make

[42:32] your comments at the mic?

[42:33] >>

[42:35] the progression of healthcare

[42:36] in united states has changed, especially

[42:38] with what is happening, you

[42:41] look at prevention , retention,

[42:44] I can

[42:47] go down the list.

[42:50] we are not medical doctors

[42:53] . We engage with them heavily.

[42:56] from our standpoint,

[42:59] they

[43:01] have direct interaction with patients

[43:02] and their families.

[43:05] I think

[43:08] that committee --anybody can

[43:11] be there, but the people

[43:14] doing right now

[43:16] , for the best healthcare systems

[43:17] in the

[43:20] united states,

[43:23] adventist health , what they bring,

[43:26] but

[43:28] , understanding the partial purchase means

[43:32] , understanding [

[43:35] indiscernible -muffled ]

[43:37] . They need a certificate of occupancy,

[43:38] a cnl, I

[43:41] would like to be a part of that committee.

[43:42] I will

[43:44] stop there. Thank you so much.

[43:47] >>

[43:50] jeff

[43:53] . A letter I sent to

[43:56] the county commissioners about

[43:59] steven's reprehensible behavior.

[44:02] by deposition.

[44:05] dear county commissioners,

[44:08] general george s patton was removed

[44:11] from his command on the third army

[44:12] during

[44:14] world war ii for slapping an enlisted

[44:15] man.

[44:17] the single incident made

[44:19] it impossible for them to command

[44:23] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[44:26] while not forced to resign,

[44:32] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[44:35] you

[44:38] are the de facto boss of the civil service

[44:39] ,

[44:40] long after your term as commissioner

[44:44] ends --[

[44:47] indiscernible -muffled ]

[44:53] pay raises and promotions.

[45:02] I know that he has done

[45:04] a great thing for veterans. That should

[45:05] not be taken away

[45:08] from him.

[45:11] [ indiscernible -muffled

[45:14] ]

[45:17] in this day

[45:20] and age,

[45:23] we must respect everybody's

[45:24] diversity, equity, and inclusion.

[45:31] make city workers uncomfortable in

[45:32] the workplace.

[45:34] thank you very much. If you could,

[45:38] send a letter to

[45:41] the commissioners. That would be greatly

[45:44] appreciated.

[45:47] thank you.

[45:56] >> mike,

[45:59] punta gorda .

[46:02] approval of 120 --

[46:06] storage facility

[46:09] [ indiscernible -muffled ] prior

[46:12] to that, the county

[46:13] approved the 99,000 square foot keeps

[46:15] swap facility north

[46:17] of jones loop, and the scenic view

[46:21] storage facility

[46:24] containing 145,000 square feet.

[46:26] these three projects will bring approximately

[46:29] 345,000 square feet of self storage space

[46:32] into an already saturated market.

[46:35] there is currently approximately 320,000

[46:37] square feet of self storage space

[46:39] in the

[46:42] area which

[46:44] equates to approximately 16 square

[46:45] feet per

[46:48] city resident.

[46:49] the development of these two facilities

[46:50] that are proposed will increase the

[46:51] supply of

[46:52] self storage in the city of punta

[46:54] gorda by over 100%.

[46:57] to 33

[47:00] square feet per capita.

[47:02] to build that into context, the city --

[47:05] implemented a moratorium on self storage space

[47:09] with the supply

[47:12] of self storage development

[47:14] at 10 square feet per resident. We

[47:15] have

[47:18] three times

[47:20] , okay? We will have three times that

[47:21] amount of

[47:24] space. Okay? These two elements

[47:27] -- okay? This

[47:30] should require a

[47:31] feasibility study to determine their impact

[47:36] and what it will have on

[47:37] the greater market and whether it

[47:39] is feasible.

[47:42] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[47:43] the repurposing of the structures

[47:48] , if they are not successful,

[47:51] is very [ indiscernible ]

[47:54] . A project of this size

[47:57] should have been a decision made by

[47:58] the city council and not staff. Okay?

[48:00] we are not the county

[48:02] . We have a limited number of sites, especially

[48:06] on that road.

[48:09] this is one of the largest

[48:11] [ indiscernible ] . Originally proposed

[48:12] for a

[48:15] car wash

[48:17] , okay? Now, they will put a self

[48:18] storage facility on

[48:19] it. That would not have been allowed

[48:24] without the special exception.

[48:27] they did not have a right.

[48:29] they had no investment expectations

[48:30] of the self storage facility.

[48:33] that was staff recommendation.

[48:36] we need to think.

[48:38] we have a limited number of parcels

[48:39] left

[48:42] on 41. Two of them right now

[48:45] are proposed for a carwash

[48:46] were proposed for a carwash, what

[48:48] is next to the fire station.

[48:54] [ indiscernible ] thank you

[48:57] .

[48:58] >> [

[49:00] applause ]

[49:06] >> good morning.

[49:09] [ indiscernible -muffled

[49:12] ] you think I am here

[49:14] to speak about pickleball courts,

[49:21] but I am not. [ laughter ]

[49:24] couple weeks ago, there was a watering

[49:25] restriction

[49:27] in punta gorda . I understand

[49:31] drinking water is more important that

[49:33] our lawns. Can you continue

[49:34] to provide updates on your website

[49:36] as to what

[49:39] is being done to remove

[49:41] that watering restriction at some point

[49:45] ? Also, be able

[49:47] to accommodate all the new development

[49:48] that is happening

[49:51] in our town because

[49:53] there is a great deal of development.

[49:57] not only large developments,

[50:00] but individual residential developments

[50:03] , so , what are we

[50:06] doing to ensure one

[50:09] year, two , 10 years out ,

[50:11] we have leaking water for ourselves

[50:12] and

[50:14] the ability to maintain our landscaping

[50:18] and filling our pools?

[50:21] if you can speak to what

[50:22] is being done right now, I appreciate

[50:24] it, or provide updates on

[50:27] the website.

[50:28] >>

[50:30] [ applause ]

[50:33] >>

[50:36] my name is ed,

[50:39] resident of punta gorda .

[50:41] I was going to listen but I agree,

[50:45] our drinking water is super

[50:48] important, and

[50:50] the water that comes from the river

[50:51] is very important and

[50:53] we have a serious about the filter system.

[50:54] it

[50:57] gets dark . The sediment we have in

[50:59] our water systems is terrible . I

[51:00] am embarrassed.

[51:03] water

[51:05] main breakage a couple weeks ago.

[51:12] I believe they did not repair it

[51:15] for hours. I could be wrong.

[51:18] we have to take our water seriously.

[51:21] the pressure

[51:23] , the day before the break, was up

[51:24] to 75 meters high

[51:27] .

[51:30] did we break it

[51:32] , the city? Why was the pressure high?

[51:33] maybe I

[51:36] am crazy, but our drinking water is

[51:38] lousy and it used to be better. Thank you.

[51:42] >>

[51:57] >> anybody else want to speak this

[51:58] morning? Thank

[51:59] you for your comments. Those wishing

[52:00] to

[52:01] introduce themselves for nominees

[52:03] for a board committee may do so at

[52:06] this time those who choose to speak

[52:07] must take

[52:09] their name for the record.

[52:12] anyone?

[52:15] I am sorry.

[52:30] >> I

[52:33] will try to keep the short . I

[52:36] am running for the ultimate position

[52:38] of the planning and zoning board.

[52:39] that

[52:42] is a position I currently hold.

[52:45] I have some experience from up north

[52:48] , as

[52:51] city council persons, I do not envy

[52:52] you

[52:54] at all.

[52:56] I was on the planning commission and

[52:57] development commission.

[53:00] I hope you consider

[53:03] me.

[53:06] I am a snowbird.

[53:12] thank you.

[53:13] >> thank you, sir.

[53:15] anybody else?

[53:18] public hearing agenda , there is

[53:21] none.

[53:24] orson it's --ordinance

[53:27] and resolution, the next on the list is

[53:30] consent agenda.

[53:33] [

[53:36] indiscernible -low volume ]

[53:39] >>

[53:51] second.

[53:52] >> all those in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? >>

[53:54] motion carries.

[54:00] [ indiscernible -low volume ] our agenda,

[54:03] we will start with

[54:06] 911 dispatch.

[54:12] >>

[54:15] chief

[54:18] of punta gorda

[54:21] postponement not sure if you want

[54:22] me to start

[54:23] up with some talking points I put together.

[54:27] I want to start off

[54:30] by saying we have a great partnership

[54:33] with the fire department

[54:36] and with the county. This

[54:39] is about our 911 center. I am

[54:42] talking about how good I believe our

[54:43] 911

[54:46] center is. I cannot speak

[54:49] from the fire chief, we believe

[54:52] we are doing things great

[54:54] and we're serving our citizens the

[54:55] way

[54:58] they want to be served. The

[55:00] police were , we have a community

[55:02] policing philosophy, at every level,

[55:07] when you call our 911 dispatch,

[55:09] you are getting community policing.

[55:13] they will treat you as they were

[55:15] treating one of their own family members.

[55:19] to get a history of how this

[55:22] came about,

[55:25] ever

[55:26] since I have been here, the sheriff

[55:28] has mentioned

[55:29] it would be nice to consolidate. I

[55:31] feel like we do a

[55:34] great job and I would like to --

[55:37] [ indiscernible ] .

[55:40] in 2023, the sheriff

[55:42] wrote a letter to all the city council

[55:43] members saying the city

[55:45] commissioners, with reasons why he

[55:46] felt we needed to

[55:49] consolidate. One was because of the incident

[55:52] february 24th , 2018 .

[55:55] he believed we were

[55:58] [ indiscernible ]

[56:07] I feel very confident we are in

[56:09] full compliance and I spoke to the

[56:10] chairman of

[56:12] the commission, he agrees that we

[56:13] are

[56:14] in compliance . One of the things

[56:16] he said,

[56:18] he wanted to go a step further, consolidate

[56:22] our computer aided dispatch with

[56:25] the sheriff's. Each agency

[56:26] could see what is going on with the

[56:28] other agency. The

[56:31] sheriff --I will backup

[56:33] , at the time the letter was written,

[56:34] arguing all

[56:37] the different things , including our

[56:38] great response times that are faster

[56:42] than the response times with the sheriff

[56:43] and fire

[56:46] and county,

[56:48] they have talented dispatchers and

[56:49] we have

[56:50] talented dispatchers, just the way

[56:52] we control our

[56:53] dispatch center where we can change

[56:55] things up to make sure we are responding faster

[56:58] ,

[57:00] particularly our fire department out.

[57:01] one of

[57:04] the concerns we brought up, we trace

[57:07] our ems calls, to

[57:10] the county.

[57:13] however, each

[57:16] engine at each of

[57:19] our stations is equipped with advanced

[57:21] life support and they have a paramedic

[57:22] on it.

[57:25] we are still sending

[57:28] each call , each

[57:30] medical call our fire department goes

[57:31] out

[57:33] and therefore, you are getting a paramedic

[57:34] to your call.

[57:36] which means there is no issue with

[57:37] that life

[57:40] , we do

[57:43] not have a paramedic,

[57:45] the ms will, do the transfer after that.

[57:49] --ems will do the transfer

[57:52] after the.

[57:54] they are going at the same time we

[57:55] are

[57:58] going anyways.

[58:01] so, couple

[58:04] of pros , I do not know

[58:07] if you want to speak.

[58:10] >>

[58:13] fire chief. So, with that,

[58:16] with our dispatch times

[58:19] , we have worked really hard .

[58:22] by getting minimal

[58:25] information, police , fire , ems,

[58:28] before that,

[58:31] they will grab the address.

[58:34] yes,

[58:35] they may have to repeat the address

[58:37] to the ems dispatcher,

[58:40] we are not ems , we

[58:43] really are, we are just not the

[58:45] ambulance service and transport. Emts

[58:46] and paramedics

[58:49] , sometimes multiple on the

[58:51] scene apparatus. We will provide the

[58:52] same level of

[58:55] care for those initial moments.

[58:58] it is important we get out

[59:01] there quickly. We

[59:03] are almost twice as fast as accounting

[59:04] and getting

[59:07] out ems people out the door.

[59:13] I am not sure if

[59:16] they mimic the same thing

[59:19] if we partnered with the county.

[59:22] but they asked a lot more questions

[59:25] before they dispatch units.

[59:28] >>

[59:31] the sheriff cited

[59:33] officer safety , resident safety,

[59:37] one central location,

[59:39] if they know what is going on throughout

[59:40] the entire county.

[59:42] we do monitor their officers with

[59:43] scanner channels.

[59:49] [ indiscernible ] there

[59:52] are two centers.

[59:55] when you are talking about

[59:58] things --if an alert goes off, a panic

[1:00:01] alert at school, he goes to

[1:00:04] their center so the county is aware.

[1:00:05] some of

[1:00:07] the things expressed

[1:00:10] as concerns , I am telling you,

[1:00:13] I am not concerned about. If you

[1:00:15] start to say that we should always

[1:00:16] be connected

[1:00:19] to people on our boards,

[1:00:22] [ indiscernible ]

[1:00:25] . You go down the rabbit hole.

[1:00:28] we are confident our dispatchers know

[1:00:31] our citizens , no our frequent callers

[1:00:34] , no our landmarks

[1:00:37] .

[1:00:43] [ indiscernible ]

[1:00:49] I will bring up one more point,

[1:00:52] hurricane lee --

[1:00:55] hurricane helene , flooding

[1:00:58] , to get into

[1:01:01] pgi

[1:01:04] and it flooded

[1:01:07] --

[1:01:10] we have calls

[1:01:13] stacked up. When you normally --

[1:01:16] [ indiscernible ]

[1:01:19] we were able

[1:01:22] to go after

[1:01:28] [ indiscernible ]

[1:01:31] . Group those calls [ indiscernible

[1:01:34] ] .

[1:01:45] take all these calls from the historic district.

[1:01:52] at [

[1:01:54] indiscernible -background noise ] .

[1:02:01] the bridges are closed, how would

[1:02:02] we go

[1:02:04] over there?

[1:02:06] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:02:07] ]

[1:02:21] we go through staffing crisis sometimes

[1:02:22] just like any other

[1:02:25] dispatch center.

[1:02:31] right now, this has

[1:02:33] caused a lot of anxiety for our employees.

[1:02:37] so, we are dealing with

[1:02:40] that right now. Any questions?

[1:02:46] >>

[1:02:52] melissa lockhart for the record.

[1:02:55] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:02:59] ] the only

[1:03:02] con is staffing, any department

[1:03:05] anywhere. For

[1:03:08] transparency , I had

[1:03:09] a conversation with the sheriff and said,

[1:03:11] I cannot

[1:03:12] support this because of these concerns.

[1:03:14] at the end of the day,

[1:03:17] the commissioners and the councilmembers

[1:03:19] , we are not the experts. We do not

[1:03:23] know the ins and outs

[1:03:26] of how the

[1:03:29] systems work, until you can tell

[1:03:32] me how

[1:03:33] you and our chiefs will sit down at

[1:03:35] a roundtable and discuss all

[1:03:36] of our concerns, I cannot support

[1:03:37] doing this, it will not be conducive

[1:03:38] for

[1:03:41] our residents. I did not

[1:03:43] get a feeling the sheriff was going

[1:03:44] to

[1:03:46] be willing to have this roundtable

[1:03:47] and that concerns

[1:03:48] me as well. What also concerns me,

[1:03:50] they

[1:03:53] were asking --

[1:03:55] city council at the time, the chief said

[1:03:56] ,

[1:03:58] we will stick with what we have. Fast-forward

[1:03:59] to december,

[1:04:02] the sheriff goes to

[1:04:04] the commissioners and has a very compelling story,

[1:04:08] if I heard it

[1:04:09] , I would say, this sounds great.

[1:04:14] I do not support this.

[1:04:16] I support keeping it local. Everything

[1:04:19] you said , redundancy , almost twice

[1:04:22] as fast as far as our calls , grouping

[1:04:24] those calls in certain situations.

[1:04:29] >> you talk about redundancy ,

[1:04:32] hurricane ian ,

[1:04:35] calls coming in

[1:04:36] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:04:38] ]

[1:04:41] the fact we

[1:04:44] have redundancy in the system,

[1:04:46] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:04:50] ]

[1:04:56] >>

[1:04:59] you discussed this before.

[1:05:02] you do the extra stuff, too.

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[1:05:11] ]

[1:05:14] changing our batteries in our

[1:05:17] fire alarms.

[1:05:19] we are very spoiled in that respect.

[1:05:23] >>

[1:05:26] we tailor

[1:05:29] our departments to the needs of our citizens.

[1:05:32] >>

[1:05:33] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:05:35] ]

[1:05:38] >>

[1:05:41] what he said this morning --

[1:05:46] [ indiscernible -muffled ] you know

[1:05:47] our landmarks.

[1:05:50] we are an older population. Is there

[1:05:52] going to be different if we have an

[1:05:53] entire county

[1:05:56] ?

[1:05:58] thank you so much for all you do.

[1:06:02] >> we had a

[1:06:05] similar conversation. I do not see

[1:06:07] the need to fix something that is

[1:06:08] not broken.

[1:06:11] >> melissa lockhart . There

[1:06:14] is my concern . Time is of the essence

[1:06:16] because we are hearing from dispatch.

[1:06:19] it is interrupting our daily services

[1:06:20] now. There is

[1:06:22] this looming , can it happen, is it

[1:06:23] going to happen?

[1:06:26] to put our chiefs at ease

[1:06:29] and dispatchers at ease

[1:06:30] , to go on with business as usual,

[1:06:32] with the continuing

[1:06:35] of the hiring process,

[1:06:38] I personally would like to see

[1:06:40] that we have a consensus , whatever

[1:06:41] we need

[1:06:44] to do, to take a stand , if that is

[1:06:46] what we would like to do, to say,

[1:06:47] no, we will

[1:06:50] keep it. And

[1:06:53] confirm it.

[1:06:54] >>

[1:06:59] janis denton.

[1:07:01] do we have the authority to keep the

[1:07:05] dispatch service?

[1:07:08] we want to keep our personalized service.

[1:07:09] the

[1:07:10] only advantage I can see it saving

[1:07:14] $1.2 million.

[1:07:17] our citizens want to cut costs.

[1:07:20] I am

[1:07:23] in agreement .

[1:07:26] >>

[1:07:29] david levin , city attorney.

[1:07:32] the regulation, cited

[1:07:35] support of consolidation,

[1:07:38] I am 100% satisfied we have the

[1:07:41] authority to adopt our own

[1:07:44] 911 system. We may not

[1:07:47] be able to get money from

[1:07:50] the county , not by legal means,

[1:07:56] compel that

[1:07:57] by willing to fund it ourselves, we

[1:07:59] have the authority.

[1:08:02] >> janis denton.

[1:08:05] do we have to continue to pay the sheriff

[1:08:08] when we are double playing,

[1:08:11] in a sense ?

[1:08:14] >> well

[1:08:17] , yes, the sheriff is funded

[1:08:20] through that statutory mechanism.

[1:08:23] nothing in the statute

[1:08:26] --handing me the

[1:08:29] actual citation.

[1:08:32] this was my 3:00 a.m. Legal opinion.

[1:08:35] there is nothing in section

[1:08:38] 356 .172 that said the county

[1:08:41] should be paying

[1:08:44] dispatch.

[1:08:47] nothing in the statute

[1:08:50] which indicates an intent by the

[1:08:53] florida legislature

[1:08:56] [ indiscernible -low volume ].

[1:08:59] the county has responsibilities

[1:09:02] regarding 911.

[1:09:04] under the florida constitution , case law

[1:09:08] , in the absence

[1:09:11] of an espresso prohibition

[1:09:17] --

[1:09:20] [ indiscernible -low volume ].

[1:09:23] >> do you want a decision today?

[1:09:26] I make a motion we keep our

[1:09:29] 911 dispatch center .

[1:09:30] >>

[1:09:32] second .

[1:09:33] >>

[1:09:35] all in favor?

[1:09:36] >>

[1:09:38] aye.

[1:09:39] >>

[1:09:41] anybody opposed ?

[1:09:42] >> motion

[1:09:44] carries.

[1:09:45] >> [ applause ]

[1:10:02] >> the next

[1:10:05] is [ indiscernible -muffled

[1:10:08] ] .

[1:10:11] >>

[1:10:14] 6.a.

[1:10:15] >> thank you.

[1:10:17] rules of procedure

[1:10:20] draft, rules one through ten.

[1:11:12] >> should

[1:11:14] we take a quick 10 minute break ?

[1:11:21] thank you

[1:11:24] very much.

[1:11:33] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[1:11:42] I am

[1:11:44] hoping we can look at the first 10.

[1:11:57] rule one --

[1:12:00] do you want

[1:12:01] me to read each of these or do you

[1:12:03] want to make comments?

[1:12:06] >>

[1:12:10] make comments.

[1:12:11] >> any comments on

[1:12:12] rule one?

[1:12:15] we will

[1:12:21] leave that one. Any comments on rule two?

[1:12:24] rule three, regarding

[1:12:26] regular city council meetings. Any comments?

[1:12:39] >> hang on.

[1:12:42] I do not think everybody

[1:12:45] has the rules in front of them.

[1:12:51] anybody for rule three?

[1:12:58] >> rule two? >> we just talked about it.

[1:13:18] >> is everybody good with

[1:13:21] rule two?

[1:13:22] >> I am good. >> yes. >>

[1:13:24] rule three.

[1:13:27] regarding city

[1:13:30] council meetings.

[1:13:33] a question whether council could have

[1:13:36] evening meetings.

[1:13:42] is everyone

[1:13:45] in favor of that change?

[1:13:46] >>

[1:13:48] yes.

[1:13:54] still in rule three,

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[1:14:00] ]

[1:14:06] . How

[1:14:09] does the council feel

[1:14:12] about that ?

[1:14:15] >>

[1:14:18] could you read that one more time?

[1:14:19] >>

[1:14:21] [ indiscernible -low volume

[1:14:24] ] adjustments to meetings

[1:14:27] , locations or

[1:14:30] time.

[1:14:31] >>

[1:14:33] we do not always see the email.

[1:14:36] we do see texts more often

[1:14:39] .

[1:14:40] >>

[1:14:48] melissa lockhart.

[1:14:51] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:14:56] >> you need to forward the text messages

[1:14:57] so we

[1:15:00] can archive that.

[1:15:06] >> city attorney ,

[1:15:09] concerned

[1:15:12] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:15:18] procedural items ,

[1:15:20] I would like to double check that

[1:15:21] .

[1:15:24] >>

[1:15:27] we will come back to that one.

[1:15:36] 03 .4

[1:15:39] --rule 3.4 --

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[1:16:00] [ indiscernible -low volume

[1:16:03] ]

[1:16:06] >> we suggested

[1:16:09] the agenda be posted

[1:16:11] the afternoon following the city council meeting.

[1:16:18] you have two agendas out there

[1:16:21] at the same time.

[1:16:24] >> is council okay

[1:16:26] with making the changes as discussed

[1:16:27] yesterday?

[1:16:30] >> yes.

[1:16:33] >>

[1:16:36] when it comes to

[1:16:39] staff, I know that we will try to not

[1:16:42] have the

[1:16:44] minister to the agenda , posting so

[1:16:45] far out,

[1:16:48] I am okay

[1:16:51] with that.

[1:16:54] as long as it does not go up to

[1:16:56] the deadline. From his top perspective,

[1:17:00] they should have some leeway .

[1:17:06] >> I do

[1:17:09] want to suggest for the agenda process

[1:17:12] , we would not

[1:17:15] add new topics [ indiscernible

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[1:17:30] we want to

[1:17:33] make sure staff has all documentation

[1:17:36] and not be

[1:17:39] having items

[1:17:42] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:17:45] >> melissa.

[1:17:48] whatever

[1:17:50] is added to the agenda , sometimes

[1:17:51] something

[1:17:54] needs to be added , I am

[1:17:57] okay with that. Sometimes

[1:18:00] , staff says , new information has

[1:18:03] come out. Not

[1:18:05] getting all the information we need,

[1:18:06] adding

[1:18:09] to something already on the agenda.

[1:18:18] does that make sense?

[1:18:19] >>

[1:18:20] we would like to hear your feedback.

[1:18:21] if

[1:18:24] we change

[1:18:27] , is that in the

[1:18:30] best interest in the community

[1:18:33] ? They do not have all the information.

[1:18:36] if we make a change on sunday

[1:18:39] evening, if there is an issue with

[1:18:41] the documents that have been posted,

[1:18:45] half staff

[1:18:48] suggest amended information

[1:18:53] [ indiscernible -low volume ].

[1:18:54] >> melissa.

[1:18:57] the other things,

[1:19:00] not having all the information

[1:19:03] --

[1:19:06] [ indiscernible -low

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[1:19:12] too big, we do not have time,

[1:19:15] we need to

[1:19:18] table it.

[1:19:19] >> which is great,

[1:19:21] three-month out schedule which gives

[1:19:22] staff

[1:19:24] enough time to be prepared.

[1:19:27] some things will happen.

[1:19:30] it is

[1:19:33] too much.

[1:19:36] >>

[1:19:39] recommendation

[1:19:42] made must [ indiscernible -low volume

[1:19:45] ]

[1:19:48] >> 's

[1:19:51] --so

[1:19:54] the public knows in advance.

[1:19:55] >>

[1:19:57] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:20:03] but at least

[1:20:06] you would have that there.

[1:20:10] [ indiscernible -low volume

[1:20:13] ] that is a

[1:20:16] really good idea.

[1:20:22] >> melissa,

[1:20:28] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:20:49] >>

[1:20:52] we like to get direction

[1:20:53] on this , these are the reasons why

[1:20:55] we like it, these

[1:20:58] are the cons.

[1:21:01] I think that helps educate us as

[1:21:04] well.

[1:21:05] >> isn't

[1:21:06] that what we do at council meetings?

[1:21:10] >>

[1:21:13] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:21:16] >> melissa .

[1:21:19] [ indiscernible -low

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[1:21:25] ]

[1:21:28] quote will be

[1:21:31] looking for his direction on

[1:21:33] --what we will be looking for his

[1:21:34] direction on

[1:21:39] a, b, and c. Giving staff more work to

[1:21:43] do.

[1:21:44] >>

[1:21:45] I think they do a good job of being

[1:21:49] pretty objective.

[1:21:52] we listen

[1:21:58] and may say yes or no.

[1:22:01] maybe it is case by case.

[1:22:04] >>

[1:22:10] 4.1.1.,

[1:22:14] the last sentence.

[1:22:15] >> still on three.

[1:22:19] [ laughter ]

[1:22:22] >> melissa.

[1:22:25] can I

[1:22:26] suggest, set in motion or direction

[1:22:28] ,

[1:22:30] consensus on how we feel about pros

[1:22:34] or cons?

[1:22:36] in certain cases, when it comes to

[1:22:39] different things they're talking about

[1:22:43] [ indiscernible -low

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[1:22:49] direction you ask for council [ indiscernible

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[1:22:55] >> [ indiscernible -background

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[1:23:16] >> a

[1:23:19] consensus --[ indiscernible

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[1:23:57] >> [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:24:01] ] that

[1:24:04] is completely up to you.

[1:24:07] subject to change

[1:24:10] .

[1:24:16] city council has either approved,

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[1:24:25] ]

[1:24:28] >>

[1:24:29] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:24:31] ]

[1:24:49] it

[1:24:50] could still be held as an emergency

[1:24:52] meeting.

[1:24:53] >>

[1:24:55] yes.

[1:24:56] >> yes. >>

[1:24:58] for 3.7,

[1:25:00] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:25:01] ]

[1:25:13] >> rule 4,

[1:25:16] special city council meetings,

[1:25:25] rule 4.1.1, 4.1.2, if

[1:25:28] you have questions or comments?

[1:25:34] sorry, mr.

[1:25:37] levin?

[1:25:38] >>

[1:25:40] 4.1.1.,

[1:25:43] the last sentence special

[1:25:46] meetings may be held 24 hours

[1:25:49] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:25:52] ] .

[1:26:10] >> rule number five

[1:26:13] considering emergency council meetings.

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[1:26:40] >>

[1:26:43] deborah lux for the record.

[1:26:46] 5.1

[1:26:49] falls into emergency meeting

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[1:26:55] ].

[1:27:04] >> you put

[1:27:07] special needs, nonemergency ?

[1:27:10] >>

[1:27:13] I will make that change.

[1:27:14] >>

[1:27:15] emergency meetings , not special meetings.

[1:27:19] >> I can do that. A

[1:27:22] suggestion for

[1:27:25] 4.2?

[1:27:34] how does council feel about that?

[1:27:35] >>

[1:27:37] melissa.

[1:27:42] 4.2 for special meetings?

[1:27:43] >> yes. >>

[1:27:45] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:27:46] ] .

[1:28:07] >>

[1:28:10] 4.3,

[1:28:13] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:28:16] ]

[1:28:28] >> rule 5,

[1:28:31] emergency city

[1:28:34] council meetings. Any questions?

[1:28:43] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:28:46] >>

[1:28:49] debbie lux, on your powerpoint,

[1:28:52] you did include

[1:28:55] the rules .

[1:29:02] 5.4.1, not listed.

[1:29:05] it is

[1:29:08] okay.

[1:29:09] >> next page,

[1:29:11] it was so long.

[1:29:14] >> thank you.

[1:29:20] >>

[1:29:23] did you have a question

[1:29:26] , councilmember julian ?

[1:29:27] >>

[1:29:34] no.

[1:29:35] >> any questions? 5.4, a suggestion

[1:29:38] ,

[1:29:41] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:29:44] .

[1:29:47] rule 6,

[1:29:50] comments or questions?

[1:29:56] moving on to

[1:29:59] rule seven, comments or

[1:30:02] questions?

[1:30:08] rule 8, presiding

[1:30:11] officer,

[1:30:14] comments or questions?

[1:30:17] do you need a moment to catch

[1:30:20] up?

[1:30:21] >> no. >> rule nine. >>

[1:30:23] tonight backup

[1:30:26] , this is mayor julian?

[1:30:29] --

[1:30:32] can I backup,

[1:30:38] this is mayor julian?

[1:30:41] [ indiscernible -muffled

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[1:30:45] >> it

[1:30:47] would be the board members .

[1:31:02] >> any comments or questions about

[1:31:05] rule nine? Rule 10

[1:31:08] is very similar.

[1:31:14] comments or questions?

[1:31:17] I will make

[1:31:19] the changes from today. [ indiscernible

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[1:31:38] >>

[1:31:41] I like 10

[1:31:44] , not to lose the audience's

[1:31:47] attention.

[1:31:51] ten is perfect for me.

[1:31:52] >> agree. >> that

[1:31:53] works.

[1:31:54] >>

[1:31:56] all right,

[1:31:59] thank you.

[1:32:00] >>

[1:32:02] I will bring 10 back at the march

[1:32:05] meeting.

[1:32:06] >>

[1:32:08] taking out things --

[1:32:11] >> yes.

[1:32:14] thank

[1:32:17] you.

[1:32:18] >>

[1:32:23] next

[1:32:26] ,

[1:32:29] carollo engineers

[1:32:32] to

[1:32:34] develop the 2025 hydro biological

[1:32:35] monitoring report for

[1:32:38] shell creek reservoir.

[1:32:40] >> city council , master agreement

[1:32:44] , hearing services

[1:32:47] [ indiscernible -

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[1:32:53] the rights for a negotiating future

[1:32:56] , staff requested a proposal

[1:32:59] based on the negotiated hourly rates

[1:33:00] of

[1:33:01] the engineers to provide services

[1:33:02] to develop and

[1:33:05] provide the 2025 hydro biological

[1:33:08] monitoring

[1:33:11] report to provide information

[1:33:14] to ensure that the physical

[1:33:17] , environmental ,

[1:33:19] biological communities of the shell creek

[1:33:20] and

[1:33:23] river system continue to not be

[1:33:26] significantly

[1:33:29] impacted

[1:33:32] from water withdrawals

[1:33:35] with the total cost is

[1:33:38] $74,640 --

[1:33:41] the time

[1:33:44] to complete it is six months

[1:33:47] . Staff is

[1:33:50] recommending approval.

[1:33:56] >>

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[1:34:02] >> any questions?

[1:34:08] >> I moved to

[1:34:11] --

[1:34:20] I move to approve.

[1:34:21] >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >>

[1:34:23] any opposed?

[1:34:29] motion carries. Thank you. Next on the

[1:34:32] agenda is urban

[1:34:35] qualification and interlocal agreement.

[1:34:38] >> good morning .

[1:34:44] human services director for charlotte county,

[1:34:47] sara welch.

[1:34:59] good morning

[1:35:02] . I wanted to take the opportunity

[1:35:03] to

[1:35:05] talk a little bit about the

[1:35:08] qualification process and

[1:35:10] community development block grant.

[1:35:14] it is an acronym,

[1:35:17] cdbg,

[1:35:20] want to make sure we're all on the

[1:35:21] same

[1:35:23] page while we are discussing.

[1:35:26] you indicated

[1:35:28] your desire [ indiscernible -background

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[1:35:32] we are very excited about,

[1:35:35] once we entered into the agreement,

[1:35:38] he advised that

[1:35:41] he would align the contract with her

[1:35:44] fiscal year. What that means,

[1:35:47] [

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[1:35:52] we have the interlocal agreement with

[1:35:53] you as well. A good

[1:35:56] opportunity to review

[1:35:59] the need .

[1:36:02] what is urban qualification? A process,

[1:36:05] a process that means that the

[1:36:08] federal government , within had ,

[1:36:09] housing

[1:36:11] and urban development, we as a

[1:36:14] community have reached a population growth,

[1:36:17] 200,000 , as a community

[1:36:20] . They're recognizing

[1:36:23] , a bigger community

[1:36:26] , bigger community issues,

[1:36:29] the capacity to handle our own

[1:36:32] direct funding obligation .

[1:36:35] as a part of that,

[1:36:38] the population threshold, there is

[1:36:41] the consolidated plan.

[1:36:44] also

[1:36:47] an action plan, and hud

[1:36:50] has to agree that we

[1:36:53] have said, we know about ourselves

[1:36:54] and this

[1:36:57] is what we do with funding.

[1:37:00] so,

[1:37:01] here is why all this matters. Once

[1:37:03] hud

[1:37:06] has agreed we are entitled

[1:37:09] , we would be

[1:37:12] --they are saying,

[1:37:15] you are big enough , you can

[1:37:17] handle that funding we could give you.

[1:37:21] the way that starts is with the

[1:37:24] cdbg , community development

[1:37:25] block grant , that stream of funding

[1:37:30] means it could

[1:37:32] be used for infrastructure, economic development

[1:37:35] , individual assistance , but targeted

[1:37:38] to low and moderate income residents. But,

[1:37:42] the doors open

[1:37:45] to other funding from hud .

[1:37:48] intentionally,

[1:37:51] affordable housing with us, we

[1:37:54] look at the program to very

[1:37:57] specific tools, money

[1:37:59] we would get directly from hud , a tool

[1:38:00] in

[1:38:03] our toolkit. There is some

[1:38:06] urgency solutions,

[1:38:09] [ indiscernible -low volume ] .

[1:38:11] I want to draw your attention to the

[1:38:13] second one, community health and block

[1:38:15] grant disaster program.

[1:38:18] what that means,

[1:38:24] if we

[1:38:26] did not get that, we are not entitled.

[1:38:36] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[1:38:38] a direct application of cdbg and arpa .

[1:38:42] $200 after hurricane

[1:38:45] --$200 million

[1:38:48] after hurricane

[1:38:51] ian. We received

[1:38:54] support from the state,

[1:38:57] and that runs through

[1:39:00] florida commerce and they decide how

[1:39:03] many dollars will be spent.

[1:39:06] I don't know about you ,

[1:39:09] but I like to have more control.

[1:39:12] the community development

[1:39:15] block grant ,

[1:39:18] our allocation from hud , we

[1:39:21] would receive a little over $1 million annually

[1:39:24] for this process.

[1:39:27] $1,047,000.

[1:39:30] based

[1:39:33] on population, they look at

[1:39:35] all the information we provide them

[1:39:36] and they have a

[1:39:38] detailed formula that they use. That

[1:39:39] funding is

[1:39:42] a great opportunity for

[1:39:44] us to make the necessary programs

[1:39:45] for

[1:39:48] our citizens.

[1:39:51] that is what I wanted to say.

[1:39:54] an excellent opportunity

[1:39:57] for us to have a say

[1:39:59] in how we decide our community uses

[1:40:00] its resources.

[1:40:05] the interlocal agreement you all have

[1:40:06] is

[1:40:09] a requirement,

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[1:40:15] ] .

[1:40:18] bless you. It

[1:40:20] ensures it is equitable, fair for

[1:40:24] everybody . It is a

[1:40:27] three-year contract and we take on

[1:40:30] the administrative duty.

[1:40:33] we want this to be a collaborative effort.

[1:40:42] the consolidated plan,

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[1:40:57] you

[1:40:59] can see the housing [ indiscernible

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[1:41:03] ] .

[1:41:09] what are our needs specifically?

[1:41:15] we want to

[1:41:18] look at the housing market.

[1:41:21] how does that affect

[1:41:24] our inventory? Specifically

[1:41:27] , a strategic plan.

[1:41:30] how will we use these funds?

[1:41:33] community involvement is a

[1:41:36] huge piece.

[1:41:39] a ton of

[1:41:42] citizen engagement.

[1:41:45] obviously,

[1:41:48] they are monitoring ,

[1:41:53] anytime you do with the federal government

[1:41:57] , they will monitor your performance.

[1:42:03] the first allocation of

[1:42:06] funding from the cdbg

[1:42:09] is $1 million.

[1:42:17] it needs to benefit low and moderate

[1:42:18] income residents.

[1:42:21] the citizens of the community come

[1:42:23] together and say, this needs to be used

[1:42:30] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:42:33] ] .

[1:42:36] it can be used

[1:42:39] for housing. Assistance.

[1:42:45] it has to

[1:42:48] be for targeted residents.

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[1:42:57] the projected timeline , again,

[1:43:03] relatively set .

[1:43:06] we want to

[1:43:09] get to a point

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[1:43:12] ]

[1:43:24] it does take a tremendous amount of effort

[1:43:27] .

[1:43:30] essentially , what we are looking

[1:43:33] for today, a better

[1:43:36] preside or to participate

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[1:43:48] we want to be able to

[1:43:51] work together.

[1:43:57] any questions?

[1:44:03] >> I have some questions.

[1:44:06] I know the sales tax

[1:44:09] is dispersed based on population,

[1:44:12] is this how this money?

[1:44:15] >> yes. Different formulas

[1:44:18] , go

[1:44:21] back to

[1:44:24] --hud gives this money

[1:44:27] --cdbg

[1:44:30] ,

[1:44:36] that will be awarded after a federally

[1:44:37] declared disaster.

[1:44:39] in terms of the block grant,

[1:44:42] based on population thresholds,

[1:44:45] each of these programs have specific

[1:44:46] things they

[1:44:48] look at. When we create them

[1:44:51] , we have present the housing

[1:44:54] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:44:57] ] . They get to choose

[1:45:00] that information

[1:45:03] and work

[1:45:05] based on how much affordable housing

[1:45:06] we have.

[1:45:09] they will look at the percentage.

[1:45:18] we look at the community, the housing.

[1:45:25] all very specific formulas.

[1:45:31] population is a huge part of it.

[1:45:37] we will not get all of this.

[1:45:42] different aspects as we move through.

[1:45:46] >> if the county receives

[1:45:48] the money , how are you dispersing

[1:45:49] it

[1:45:51] in the city?

[1:45:52] >> not dispersed to the city,

[1:45:56] just like we do other interlocal agreements.

[1:46:01] our state housing initiatives,

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[1:46:07] ].

[1:46:13] I think I put

[1:46:16] it on one of these slides. We have

[1:46:18] to make the decision collaboratively.

[1:46:22] we cannot

[1:46:25] --

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[1:46:28] ] .

[1:46:43] >> melissa for the record.

[1:46:46] for people watching ,

[1:46:49] this is an opportunity

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[1:46:55] some are concerned,

[1:46:57] we obligate ourselves , matching,

[1:47:01] this is for us to participate

[1:47:04] .

[1:47:07] >> thank you .

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[1:47:16] >>

[1:47:19] congress decides

[1:47:22] how to allocate those funds.

[1:47:25] following a disaster . Hud has a

[1:47:28] specific form that used.

[1:47:34] --hud has a specific formula

[1:47:37] they

[1:47:40] use.

[1:47:43] that is

[1:47:46] great information

[1:47:49] for hud to report to the rest of

[1:47:51] the federal government .

[1:47:52] >> not just

[1:47:53] city repairs?

[1:47:55] >> I can be.

[1:47:58] designed --

[1:48:01] it does keep the requirements

[1:48:04] and has to

[1:48:06] go to low and moderate income residents.

[1:48:07] it can

[1:48:09] be infrastructure. There are communities

[1:48:13] where this

[1:48:14] is not specific to disaster recovery.

[1:48:16] there are communities

[1:48:19] where the cdbg allocation

[1:48:25] to build [ indiscernible -low

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[1:48:30] there are all kinds of interesting

[1:48:33] things you could use the money for.

[1:48:40] disaster recovery --

[1:48:43] it is similar in

[1:48:46] terms of infrastructure for residents.

[1:48:49] >> melissa

[1:48:52] --

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[1:48:59] >>

[1:49:03] debbie lux. Let's make the assumption

[1:49:07] we all reach this, can we go back

[1:49:10] and ask for funding for hurricane

[1:49:13] ian?

[1:49:14] >> no. It is a

[1:49:16] done deal

[1:49:18] , the funding has already been awarded.

[1:49:24] we are working to ask for some of

[1:49:28] that money,

[1:49:30] at the state level, that is where

[1:49:31] our

[1:49:33] work is, the state to carve out some

[1:49:34] funding

[1:49:37] to our residents.

[1:49:40] >> greg julian,

[1:49:43] we participate in

[1:49:46] the program .

[1:49:49] >> I think that was the question.

[1:49:55] >> I presume

[1:50:01] that is the approval of

[1:50:04] the interlocal agreement. That is

[1:50:07] what you are referring to. Two

[1:50:10] paragraphs I want to

[1:50:13] make sure the city council understood.

[1:50:19] paragraph 4

[1:50:22] , the city

[1:50:25] understands --

[1:50:28] can you explain what rights

[1:50:32] they have if they enter into this

[1:50:34] agreement?

[1:50:35] >> certainly,

[1:50:37] asking for

[1:50:40] state of florida cdbg program

[1:50:43] , the city

[1:50:46] [ indiscernible -low volume

[1:50:49] ] in the past,

[1:50:52] we did not have the value

[1:50:54] of what we were putting out to the

[1:50:55] community, that funding

[1:50:58] was

[1:51:01] [ indiscernible -low volume ] .

[1:51:06] we are not seeking allocations of

[1:51:07] other cdbg funding at this time.

[1:51:10] >> paragraph 12,

[1:51:13] a statement

[1:51:16] of certain policies that they have adopted

[1:51:19] , advised the

[1:51:22] city council

[1:51:25] if that had been adopted by the

[1:51:28] city?

[1:51:29] >>

[1:51:34] if you have questions

[1:51:37] , it should be brought to the city council

[1:51:38] .

[1:51:39] >>

[1:51:40] I do not have answers.

[1:51:43] use of excessive force.

[1:51:49] physically barring entrance.

[1:51:58] appreciate if you would advise whether

[1:51:59] or not

[1:52:00] we have policies.

[1:52:01] >> I withdrawal

[1:52:04] my motion.

[1:52:10] >> do we have a

[1:52:13] second?

[1:52:14] >> second.

[1:52:22] >> [

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[1:52:28] >> I would not be

[1:52:30] in position to give you that advice .

[1:52:36] >> we will wait until we hear from

[1:52:37] the city

[1:52:40] manager.

[1:52:49] >> you have a sense of when this would

[1:52:52] come back?

[1:52:53] >>

[1:52:55] we

[1:52:58] do have to bring it back again.

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[1:53:13] >> melissa for the record.

[1:53:16] would it be appropriate

[1:53:19] to approve pending

[1:53:22] , concerns the

[1:53:25] attorney has?

[1:53:35] >> there would be no surprise.

[1:53:38] the action taken at

[1:53:41] today's meeting was to have his

[1:53:44] at the neck city council meeting

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[1:53:53] ]

[1:53:56] .

[1:53:59] it sounds something to

[1:54:01] me like something the city council

[1:54:02] would want

[1:54:05] to adopt as soon as possible.

[1:54:08] >> greg julian.

[1:54:14] how would a delight impact

[1:54:16] this process ?

[1:54:17] >> we would need to

[1:54:19] reach out to hud . We can find out.

[1:54:26] >>

[1:54:32] I need

[1:54:35] to check with the police chief

[1:54:38] , excessive force ,

[1:54:41] that means --

[1:54:44] thank you. [

[1:54:47] laughter ]

[1:54:50] >>

[1:54:53] police department

[1:54:56] does have a policy

[1:54:59] on excessive force.

[1:55:00] >> thank

[1:55:01] you very much .

[1:55:02] >> you are welcome.

[1:55:05] >>

[1:55:08] the municipality

[1:55:11] adopted a policy

[1:55:14] physically barring entrance to

[1:55:20] --[ indiscernible -

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[1:55:26] make sure the city assigns something

[1:55:29] on behalf of the city that is aware

[1:55:32] of what is assigning

[1:55:35] and not certifying something that

[1:55:38] may not necessarily be true.

[1:55:41] very helpful regarding

[1:55:44] excessive force. The

[1:55:46] policy regarding physically barring

[1:55:49] entrance to. I am not sure where that

[1:55:53] comes from.

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[1:56:02] >> melissa for

[1:56:05] the record.

[1:56:06] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:56:08] ] put this on

[1:56:11] the next agenda.

[1:56:23] >> [

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[1:56:29] >> that

[1:56:32] we adopt this today. If we do

[1:56:35] not act ,

[1:56:38] the barring of interest to

[1:56:41] [

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[1:56:59] go ahead without direction

[1:57:02] to staff.

[1:57:08] >> greg julian.

[1:57:13] [ indiscernible -background noise

[1:57:14] ]

[1:57:41] >> does

[1:57:43] not necessarily need to be a part

[1:57:44] of a motion.

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[1:58:11] >>

[1:58:13] [ indiscernible -background noise

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[1:58:26] >>

[1:58:35] those in favor?

[1:58:36] >> aye.

[1:58:38] >> any

[1:58:44] opposed? Motion carries. Thank you

[1:58:47] very much.

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[1:58:59] ]

[1:59:10] city of punta gorda council is seeking

[1:59:11] the services of a city attorney, either

[1:59:12] individual or firm , to serve the

[1:59:14] legal needs of the city.

[1:59:17] >> [ indiscernible

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[1:59:23] >> [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[1:59:28] >> I was wondering about that. It

[1:59:29] is that

[1:59:32] much better?

[1:59:38] [ indiscernible -muffled

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[1:59:47] >> [ indiscernible -background noise

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[1:59:56] >> is

[1:59:59] eric here?

[2:00:16] >> [ indiscernible -background noise

[2:00:17] ]

[2:00:32] >> instead

[2:00:35] rather a contrite person firm.

[2:00:38] --rather a contract person

[2:00:41] a firm.

[2:00:42] >>

[2:00:44] melissa . I will start.

[2:00:47] we were originally talked about

[2:00:49] the information , whether in-house

[2:00:53] or contract. It seems like this

[2:00:56] is more --

[2:00:59] I want to make sure this is for in-house

[2:01:02] or contract.

[2:01:05] >> that would not be an issue.

[2:01:08] we can change

[2:01:11] the wording.

[2:01:17] >>

[2:01:20] I will go down the line.

[2:01:23] another concern I had,

[2:01:26] it says, in these

[2:01:29] seven years, okay

[2:01:32] --if we are soliciting for

[2:01:35] another attorney,

[2:01:38] years experience,

[2:01:41] I would like to put that

[2:01:44] at least 10 but no lower

[2:01:47] than seven. I want to make sure that

[2:01:50] there is a salary requirement added.

[2:01:53] if we're talking about seeing cost

[2:01:56] , apples to apples.

[2:02:02] I think we need to only look at

[2:02:05] a firm

[2:02:08] as opposed to individuals, we have

[2:02:09] an attorney with

[2:02:11] a firm and we have these attorneys

[2:02:14] , whatever he needs it.

[2:02:20] we can solicit other opinions. Finally,

[2:02:23] areas of practice for that firm.

[2:02:26] obviously,

[2:02:29] what I would like to see,

[2:02:32] apples to apples,

[2:02:35] we have an attorney with governmental experience.

[2:02:38] instead of

[2:02:40] an attorney without experience working

[2:02:41] with the government at all.

[2:02:50] >>

[2:02:53] jeannine polk for

[2:02:56] the record . Think of a large firm

[2:02:59] with a lot of trees with a lot

[2:03:03] of clients.

[2:03:05] those clients could hold special interest.

[2:03:09] that firm ,

[2:03:12] could have special interest

[2:03:15] because of clients

[2:03:17] . Do you understand what I'm trying

[2:03:20] to say? It happens all the time. I

[2:03:21] would

[2:03:24] prefer us not to say someone from

[2:03:27] a large firm.

[2:03:36] >>

[2:03:39] janis ?

[2:03:40] >>

[2:03:42] we do not have to specify.

[2:03:51] >> I disagree with

[2:03:54] 10 years.

[2:03:55] we have some intelligent people who

[2:04:00] exceed

[2:04:02] far beyond someone with 10 years experience.

[2:04:06] just because

[2:04:09] somebody has been something

[2:04:12] for a long time, does not be

[2:04:13] there any better than somebody else.

[2:04:18] I do not think

[2:04:20] years of service should be activated.

[2:04:24] we could encounter somebody

[2:04:27] who may be a very good attorney.

[2:04:30] >> melissa for

[2:04:33] the record.

[2:04:36] I understand that.

[2:04:38] I am not saying put in there, large

[2:04:42] firm.

[2:04:45] it is perfectly okay.

[2:04:48] we should find out

[2:04:51] if they are with a firm or

[2:04:53] an individual. Mr. Levin is needed

[2:04:57] opinions and went to his firm

[2:05:00] .

[2:05:03] I understand

[2:05:06] where you're coming from.

[2:05:11] are we okay with putting firm or individual?

[2:05:16] or just specify where you're coming

[2:05:18] from?

[2:05:19] >>

[2:05:21] yes .

[2:05:22] >>

[2:05:24] I did send this

[2:05:27] to melissa and jeff,

[2:05:30] they were very detailed,

[2:05:33] in these requests. The

[2:05:36] more detailed it is,

[2:05:39] we should

[2:05:42] follow what mr. Levin's contract

[2:05:45] has been , very generalized. I

[2:05:47] have not outlined what has been in his

[2:05:51] but it allows us more saying,

[2:05:54] we are looking at this, too.

[2:05:59] we need to have a more generalized.

[2:06:06] I

[2:06:07] can give it to melissa to send to

[2:06:09] everybody to take a

[2:06:12] look at. Keeping us as a requirement

[2:06:15] ,

[2:06:18] so we are not shooting

[2:06:21] ourselves in the foot

[2:06:24] and not

[2:06:26] allowing a good person to apply.

[2:06:27] >>

[2:06:28] melissa for

[2:06:30] the record. We are asking for

[2:06:33] attorneys who may want to come on

[2:06:36] board. They do need to have

[2:06:38] --we are looking for the best of the

[2:06:39] best. They need to meet

[2:06:42] this criteria. If we decide to

[2:06:45] enter in to the contract, the negotiations

[2:06:48] that will proceed

[2:06:51] which sets what we will do

[2:06:54] . I do not want

[2:06:56] to generalize anything. You know where

[2:06:59] I sit. Our attorney has been here

[2:07:00] 20

[2:07:03] years as an attorney. Very

[2:07:06] cost-effective service

[2:07:09] . I do not want to

[2:07:12] generalize anything

[2:07:15] to work we will save money

[2:07:18] .

[2:07:21] >>

[2:07:27] I think we open the door to have

[2:07:30] more people applying if we

[2:07:33] have a broader request.

[2:07:36] >>

[2:07:39] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:07:42] this would be an rfp

[2:07:45] [ indiscernible -

[2:07:48] background noise ]

[2:07:51] for either a firm or individual

[2:07:53] as an independent contractor with

[2:07:57] the city. If you are looking for staff

[2:08:00] ,

[2:08:03] how we have

[2:08:06] our existing contract

[2:08:09] ,

[2:08:12] it does itemize

[2:08:15] tasks,

[2:08:18] language that says,

[2:08:21] these are the tasks that are required

[2:08:24] , not limited to

[2:08:27] those tasks and additional tasks

[2:08:30] would be at the

[2:08:33] discretion of the city manager.

[2:08:36] your proposal,

[2:08:39] the same as

[2:08:42] hourly rate.

[2:08:45] different structure of contract.

[2:08:48] need to know that as well.

[2:08:51] >> melissa. May I ask,

[2:08:54] are we looking,

[2:08:56] the conversation I thought I heard,

[2:08:59] we want to see anybody who will apply

[2:09:00] from in-house or apply

[2:09:03] for contract ? What is

[2:09:06] the consensus with what we

[2:09:09] want to be asking?

[2:09:12] >> independent contractor

[2:09:15] would be a solo practitioner,

[2:09:18] w

[2:09:19] >>

[2:09:20] only looking for people that are going

[2:09:21] to be listed

[2:09:24] as a contract attorney?

[2:09:27] are you also wanting

[2:09:30] to have people applying that will

[2:09:33] be in-house?

[2:09:36] I think we agreed on that last

[2:09:39] time

[2:09:40] >> that is what

[2:09:41] I was saying, only for contracts.

[2:09:45] >> I want

[2:09:47] to make sure that is clear. Looking

[2:09:48] at this, the

[2:09:51] only attorneys, I would have to decide

[2:09:53] will I apply for a contract position

[2:09:54] or in-house,

[2:10:00] which will have different clarifications

[2:10:01] of salary

[2:10:02] requirements, et cetera. Does that

[2:10:03] make

[2:10:06] sense?

[2:10:07] >> greg julian,

[2:10:09] not interested in an in-house attorney.

[2:10:12] >> I agree.

[2:10:15] >> can you

[2:10:18] state reasons ?

[2:10:19] >>?

[2:10:21] more expensive to have an in-house attorney.

[2:10:24] more cost-effective to use a

[2:10:27] firm with rates,

[2:10:30] experience , and tap into

[2:10:33] other members of the firm.

[2:10:39] >> debbie lux.

[2:10:42] what we had with an in-house attorney,

[2:10:45] anymore outside

[2:10:48] legal advice? Do you recall?

[2:10:54] >> we have never

[2:10:57] had an in-house attorney .

[2:11:00] >> forever,

[2:11:03] an attorney

[2:11:05] , an outside attorney with the law

[2:11:06] firm.

[2:11:07] >>

[2:11:09] we do not know if it

[2:11:11] would be more cost effective?

[2:11:12] >> we

[2:11:13] did some research

[2:11:15] and look at

[2:11:18] surrounding melissa polities. --

[2:11:21] we looked at

[2:11:24] surrounding municipalities.

[2:11:27] they had junior attorneys,

[2:11:33] multiple paralegals.

[2:11:37] [ indiscernible -

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[2:11:43] some said they would contract

[2:11:45] for a city attorney, bring in lower

[2:11:49] paying attorneys

[2:11:50] [ indiscernible -background noise

[2:11:52] ]

[2:11:58] >> melissa

[2:12:01] for the record.

[2:12:04] you have medical,

[2:12:06] I think our first task is to have

[2:12:07] a

[2:12:08] consensus in our direction, in-house

[2:12:13] or contract only .

[2:12:19] >> it doesn't hurt .

[2:12:25] >>

[2:12:28] jeannine polk for the record.

[2:12:31] if we just put out

[2:12:32] the message we're looking for an in-house

[2:12:37] or contracted attorney?

[2:12:40] >>

[2:12:43] we can put it on websites

[2:12:46] where we advertise.

[2:12:52] no

[2:12:54] additional cost.

[2:12:55] >> then why not?

[2:13:01] >> [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:13:10] >>

[2:13:12] something we would have to discuss.

[2:13:22] >> you

[2:13:25] do not do this outside the

[2:13:28] city council meeting.

[2:13:33] there is no possibility for a shade meeting.

[2:13:37] I am not sure

[2:13:40] how we

[2:13:43] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:13:51] whether they would save money by having

[2:13:55] an in-house attorney.

[2:13:58] I was

[2:14:01] confident based on my expense

[2:14:07] [

[2:14:08] indiscernible -low volume ] you will

[2:14:10] not find the expertise

[2:14:13] hiring in-house

[2:14:16] ,

[2:14:22] [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:14:25] ]

[2:14:34] staff was erected about the proposal

[2:14:36] for in-house and outside contract attorney.

[2:14:37] our

[2:14:40] agenda for today only as for

[2:14:43] outside contract attorney.

[2:14:46] I am not sure

[2:14:49] who made the decision to exclude

[2:14:50] your proposal from the agenda. Understand,

[2:14:55] I have been doing this

[2:14:57] , understand the politics of working here.

[2:15:01] I do not think there is any , necessarily,

[2:15:04] deficiency

[2:15:09] that my firm and myself has given

[2:15:10] to the city for the last

[2:15:13] 20 years.

[2:15:14] I have gotten along well with every

[2:15:16] single councilmember in

[2:15:19] that time. With

[2:15:22] the exception of difficulties

[2:15:25] we have with respect to

[2:15:28] the understanding

[2:15:34] [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:15:36] ] that will happen from time to time.

[2:15:42] I would like to limit it to read the policy

[2:15:46] .

[2:15:49] my job is to make sure the city

[2:15:52] makes decisions that are

[2:15:55] legally correct.

[2:15:58] the suggestion that the mayor

[2:16:01] has made today,

[2:16:04] that ,

[2:16:07] we can have an attorney learn on the job,

[2:16:10] the city and

[2:16:12] residents deserve legal representation

[2:16:13] that

[2:16:16] is quite experienced and not make mistakes

[2:16:19] . I recognize

[2:16:22] the fact,

[2:16:25] based on the circumstances we've

[2:16:27] come this far, the city is not going

[2:16:28] to be

[2:16:31] renewing my contract.

[2:16:34] the city has a right to

[2:16:37] terminate me

[2:16:40] before the end of my contract.

[2:16:43] I want to city council

[2:16:46] to understand, you need someone with experience

[2:16:49] that will protect the city

[2:16:52] , not someone who

[2:16:54] will count out to what the mayor wants.

[2:16:58] --

[2:17:01] not someone who will

[2:17:07] kowtow

[2:17:10] to what the mayor wants. They can

[2:17:13] apply in-house or contract

[2:17:16] .

[2:17:19] as

[2:17:21] far as the cost and the salary, when

[2:17:22] they

[2:17:25] are applying, I am looking for

[2:17:28] x salary.

[2:17:29] >> yes,

[2:17:31] during the applicant process

[2:17:34] , always part of the application,

[2:17:40] for these outside folks,

[2:17:43] [ indiscernible

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[2:17:47] >> everybody okay with that

[2:17:49] ?

[2:17:55] >> I was

[2:17:58] trying to be respectful

[2:18:01] that I do

[2:18:04] not disqualify

[2:18:07] [ indiscernible -low volume ] mr.

[2:18:08] levin,

[2:18:10] I am trying to be

[2:18:12] respectful, you have said otherwise

[2:18:13] , I take offense

[2:18:16] to that.

[2:18:22] I looked at

[2:18:25] ziprecruiter.com,

[2:18:30] I don't know if anyone has looked

[2:18:31] at what fees

[2:18:34] would be acceptable or

[2:18:37] not acceptable . Has anybody done research?

[2:18:40] >> just last night, I

[2:18:43] went on

[2:18:46] indeed.com, quite a few local

[2:18:49] cities local for

[2:18:52] city attorneys.

[2:18:55] anywhere

[2:18:58] from $150,000 to $200,000.

[2:19:01] >> in-house ? >> it says

[2:19:04] city attorney.

[2:19:10] >> [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:19:13] ]

[2:19:14] >>

[2:19:16] remind city council , the first meeting

[2:19:19] of the city council,

[2:19:22] the finance director

[2:19:25] was asked, how much are we

[2:19:28] paying for the law firm ?

[2:19:31] the answer was

[2:19:34] , less than $150,000.

[2:19:37] if you find somebody who's cheap,

[2:19:40] experienced, you can find somebody.

[2:19:43] --

[2:19:46] you can find somebody who is

[2:19:49] cheap, inexperienced, you can find somebody

[2:19:52] .

[2:19:53] >> I had city attorneys reach out

[2:19:56] to me

[2:19:59] , sometimes people

[2:20:02] can ask

[2:20:04] for less money and be just as qualified

[2:20:05] and just

[2:20:08] as good. Let's keep

[2:20:11] this kind and stick

[2:20:14] to the fact, please.

[2:20:15] >>

[2:20:16] melissa for the record . We are in

[2:20:20] a different situation.

[2:20:22] we do not have an attorney that is

[2:20:26] leaving, we don't have an

[2:20:29] attorney that only

[2:20:30] has five or six years of expense.

[2:20:32] we have an attorney

[2:20:33] with four years of expense, 20 years

[2:20:35] with the city ,

[2:20:37] a land-use attorney. He already has

[2:20:41] --it is a disservice that we

[2:20:44] are talking about

[2:20:45] getting somebody with less than seven

[2:20:47] years experience. We need to

[2:20:50] make sure --the city attorney

[2:20:51] is one of the most important positions

[2:20:53] because his job is to

[2:20:55] bring us in and make sure we are not

[2:20:58] doing things to get our city sued.

[2:21:02] who always agrees with an

[2:21:04] attorney? Sorry. That is the name

[2:21:05] of the

[2:21:06] game his job is to make sure that

[2:21:08] the city

[2:21:11] gets his opinion, whether you

[2:21:12] like it or not, up to us on whether

[2:21:14] we will

[2:21:17] take it,

[2:21:19] and I do not know why we will set

[2:21:20] the bar

[2:21:21] back, we have a pretty good bar set

[2:21:23] for our city

[2:21:25] and we will continue to have. I do

[2:21:26] not

[2:21:29] know what we would go

[2:21:30] with somebody less than seven years,

[2:21:32] 10 years,

[2:21:34] has to be willing to work with us

[2:21:35] and has

[2:21:38] 20 years with the city, four years of

[2:21:41] --when he does his hourly, it

[2:21:44] is including,

[2:21:47] am I correct that if

[2:21:50] --he spent seven hours,

[2:21:52] seven hours with him, seven hours

[2:21:53] with his

[2:21:56] other attorney that fee has

[2:21:59] to apply. He understands that . Instead

[2:22:01] of having seven hours with mr. Levin,

[2:22:05] and built for another attorney,

[2:22:08] that is very important for

[2:22:11] me personally, for transparency.

[2:22:29] >> we discussed all

[2:22:32] of this. We

[2:22:35] all decided that we

[2:22:37] were going to look at another direction.

[2:22:38] we

[2:22:41] are hashing something else out. Time

[2:22:42] for us

[2:22:44] to go ahead and make a motion

[2:22:47] for them , our city staff, to

[2:22:50] go ahead --

[2:22:53] I approve 16.

[2:22:56] make a motion to approve 16 .

[2:22:57] >>

[2:22:59] I second.

[2:23:02] >> what is the time?

[2:23:05] the timeline for people to respond

[2:23:08] ? 30 days ? How do we

[2:23:11] do that?

[2:23:17] >> 14 days to 21 days.

[2:23:23] the

[2:23:26] evaluation committee ,

[2:23:29] review those proposals,

[2:23:32] make sure it meets

[2:23:35] the requirements. Rfp . Send out

[2:23:38] the references.

[2:23:41] gather all that information

[2:23:44] to review the proposal.

[2:23:47] there is

[2:23:50] a process .

[2:23:53] council to

[2:23:56] review the evaluation of

[2:23:59] the proposals. For council

[2:24:02] to review those proposals,

[2:24:05] to approve the firm, for procurement,

[2:24:08] representatives

[2:24:11] from the community --

[2:24:20] the other play is to

[2:24:23] have the evaluation , review

[2:24:26] , proposal , shortlist,

[2:24:29] have someone going to the negotiations

[2:24:32] with the representative from the

[2:24:35] evaluation committee

[2:24:37] and bring the proposal to city council

[2:24:41] to approve.

[2:24:44] >> because it will

[2:24:47] be us hiring and firing,

[2:24:50] council should have one direction

[2:24:53] to what we're looking for. If you

[2:24:54] are putting

[2:24:56] inexperienced,

[2:24:59] mandatory

[2:25:02] [ indiscernible -low volume ] .

[2:25:05] it feels good

[2:25:08] , but do not make it mandatory.

[2:25:11] maybe

[2:25:13] somebody without seven years but has

[2:25:14] worked in a law firm. Something.

[2:25:17] make it so narrow

[2:25:20] .

[2:25:21] >>

[2:25:23] I disagree. It needs to be

[2:25:26] seven years.

[2:25:29] >> any

[2:25:32] consensus on seven years?

[2:25:33] >>

[2:25:35] jeannine polk. Let's let

[2:25:38] this be hashed out,

[2:25:41] anything offered --

[2:25:44] [ indiscernible -low volume ] .

[2:25:47] >> the function will be

[2:25:49] to evaluate the responses based on

[2:25:50] the scope --

[2:25:53] what we have identified

[2:25:56] . That

[2:25:58] information would have to be clarified.

[2:26:02] >> [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:26:05] >> the composition of the committees are,

[2:26:08] our policy , numbers

[2:26:11] of staff --members of staff,

[2:26:14] identified

[2:26:17] by the [ indiscernible

[2:26:20] -low volume ].

[2:26:21] >> is

[2:26:23] it possible to have some citizens

[2:26:24] with expertise

[2:26:26] in this area on the committee?

[2:26:27] >>

[2:26:29] our policy dictates

[2:26:32] --no.

[2:26:33] >> you will

[2:26:35] ask staff, but this

[2:26:38] is contract. We are

[2:26:42] missing that fact.

[2:26:43] council should be looking at these

[2:26:45] applications

[2:26:48] . [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:26:51] ]

[2:26:54] so we can narrow it down.

[2:26:57] we will look

[2:26:58] for somebody who will work well with us.

[2:27:00] try

[2:27:03] to compromise ,

[2:27:09] that will

[2:27:10] open it up for more people to apply.

[2:27:24] seven years is way

[2:27:27] too much.

[2:27:28] >> set the bar low. >>

[2:27:30] I do not agree

[2:27:32] . Do not agree it is a staff policy.

[2:27:36] we have our protocol

[2:27:39] on here.

[2:27:42] let staff read it.

[2:27:48] to have this a smooth process,

[2:27:51] I would like

[2:27:54] to ask another question. We

[2:27:57] have a

[2:28:00] motion. I will not ask now.

[2:28:01] >>

[2:28:03] if you prefer to have

[2:28:06] a firm ,

[2:28:09] to come in and make a

[2:28:12] presentation,

[2:28:15] we can do that as well.

[2:28:16] >>

[2:28:18] where are we in the motion?

[2:28:19] >>

[2:28:21] a motion to approve

[2:28:24] 16 and let city staff

[2:28:27] put out

[2:28:28] a firm or individual for city attorney.

[2:28:30] >>

[2:28:33] second.

[2:28:34] >> yes.

[2:28:37] recommend instead of mandatory for

[2:28:39] seven years.

[2:28:42] >> that right? >>

[2:28:45] I do not to get matters,

[2:28:48] six, seven .

[2:28:51] let's

[2:28:54] interview people before we fight over this.

[2:28:57] >> so,

[2:29:00] you want to let

[2:29:03] anybody apply

[2:29:06] ?

[2:29:07] >> I would set

[2:29:09] a standard.

[2:29:10] >>

[2:29:11] look at other municipalities and see

[2:29:12] their protocol.

[2:29:21] >> debbie lux, when

[2:29:24] I asked you this morning,

[2:29:27] look at a broader

[2:29:30] picture,

[2:29:36] [ indiscernible -low volume ] ?

[2:29:42] >> you cannot say somebody with years

[2:29:45] of service is the best.

[2:29:46] >> we

[2:29:47] have a consensus for seven or not?

[2:29:51] >> I am good with seven years , jeannine polk

[2:29:54] , for the record.

[2:30:00] >>

[2:30:03] minimum would be the word.

[2:30:06] a minimum of seven.

[2:30:07] >>

[2:30:09] this is greg julian. I do not

[2:30:12] disagree with the recommended

[2:30:15] language ,

[2:30:18] so there is flexibility.

[2:30:21] >> I think recommended

[2:30:24] is fine.

[2:30:27] recommend

[2:30:30] seven years.

[2:30:31] >> second.

[2:30:36] >> do we vote on the

[2:30:39] motion?

[2:30:40] >>

[2:30:41] with recommended seven years, a motion

[2:30:42] ?

[2:30:45] >>

[2:30:48] second.

[2:30:49] >> all in favor? >>

[2:30:57] aye.

[2:30:58] >> any opposed?

[2:31:00] the motion

[2:31:03] carries.

[2:31:04] >> will mr. Levin be a candidate?

[2:31:09] are we looking at this

[2:31:12] as a look and see

[2:31:15] what comes or not renew

[2:31:18] the contract of mr. Levin?

[2:31:19] >>

[2:31:26] he can apply like everyone else and

[2:31:27] we evaluate the candidates.

[2:31:28] >> that

[2:31:29] is

[2:31:30] a correct.

[2:31:31] >> I agree.

[2:31:33] >> yes.

[2:31:39] >>

[2:31:42] okay. Next

[2:31:45] is the

[2:31:51] city of

[2:31:54] punta gorda is soliciting proposals

[2:31:55] from qualified executive search firms to

[2:31:56] conduct research to the executive

[2:31:57] position of

[2:32:00] city manager.

[2:32:02] the process for the city attorney search

[2:32:06] , I looked at other disparities,

[2:32:09] through this process,

[2:32:12] looked at what

[2:32:17] their rfps looked like. Rather than

[2:32:18] the end

[2:32:21] result from

[2:32:23] an attorney you will have a search

[2:32:24] firm

[2:32:27] specializing in these searches. This document

[2:32:30] directs them

[2:32:33] to how to go about this search.

[2:32:36] spirit melissa for

[2:32:39] the record,

[2:32:42] I feel like, the

[2:32:45] day and age of the internet and city

[2:32:46] managers or

[2:32:48] city attorneys,

[2:32:49] [ indiscernible -background noise

[2:32:51] ]

[2:32:54] I am not sure we need to spend money

[2:32:57] for a company to do that.

[2:33:00] this is my proposal, it's

[2:33:03] --instead of spending money , can

[2:33:06] we post it to see who we get? If we

[2:33:09] do not get a lot of candidates, we

[2:33:12] can spend the money.

[2:33:15] >> I think that

[2:33:18] is a reasonable suggestion.

[2:33:21] there is a search firm

[2:33:24] that reached out to us.

[2:33:27] I have his name here.

[2:33:30] $2000 for

[2:33:33] the search, the guarantee , if

[2:33:35] you are not happy with the person

[2:33:36] after

[2:33:39] one year, they will find another

[2:33:42] person and work with the

[2:33:45] chosen city manager to work with the staff.

[2:33:48] rather than saying ,

[2:33:51] this is not working , they will

[2:33:54] work through the situations. A hiring firm

[2:33:57] that helps people learn to work together.

[2:34:00] we want to get it

[2:34:03] all right as much as possible.

[2:34:06] I can send

[2:34:09] council this proposal.

[2:34:21] are we allowed to set up one

[2:34:24] with medications?

[2:34:27] >> one-way communications

[2:34:30] are permissible.

[2:34:31] >>

[2:34:33] I could send it to all

[2:34:36] of you.

[2:34:42] some

[2:34:45] good firms.

[2:34:48] I think there are some applications

[2:34:49] on the

[2:34:50] table maybe that we haven't seen.

[2:34:52] is that correct?

[2:34:55] >>

[2:34:58] the posting

[2:35:01] has not gone out.

[2:35:07] >> I remember

[2:35:10] [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:35:13] ] .

[2:35:16] >> the city had not

[2:35:19] decided on the collocations.

[2:35:22] -- qualifications.

[2:35:25] >>

[2:35:28] there are quite

[2:35:31] a few firms out there I

[2:35:34] would like to discuss this.

[2:35:35] >>

[2:35:37] as we identify

[2:35:40] the criteria

[2:35:43] to evaluate this , the

[2:35:45] city council has the approval authority

[2:35:49] for this type of firm.

[2:35:52] so , I

[2:35:54] would suggest that you not obtain

[2:35:55] proposals

[2:35:58] from firms. And

[2:36:01] provide proposals to

[2:36:02] the other members of council because

[2:36:04] that could appear as

[2:36:07] a conflict of interest because

[2:36:10] you are the approval body for

[2:36:12] this type of solicitation.

[2:36:13] >> we are

[2:36:16] responsible for

[2:36:19] hiring , but [ indiscernible

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[2:36:25] >> our objective today,

[2:36:31] you

[2:36:34] can research information

[2:36:36] that you would like to see in the

[2:36:40] proposal. Solicitation.

[2:36:49] identify any special conditions.

[2:36:55] as we go to recommend,

[2:36:58] --as we go to the

[2:37:01] german process,

[2:37:04] w procurement procurement

[2:37:07] ,

[2:37:10] if they do contact you,

[2:37:13] they are automatically rejected.

[2:37:16] would like maximum competition

[2:37:19] . I would suggest that

[2:37:22] ,

[2:37:24] doing research is a wonderful tool

[2:37:28] and providing

[2:37:31] information so we can relay that in

[2:37:34] the solicitation.

[2:37:37] >>

[2:37:42] if you have somebody, go to the procurement process.

[2:37:46] >> we do help individuals

[2:37:49] [

[2:37:52] indiscernible -low volume ] it can

[2:37:55] be ominous, the process

[2:37:56] [ indiscernible -background noise

[2:37:58] ]

[2:38:00] anybody interested in solicitation,

[2:38:04] we publicize [ indiscernible -

[2:38:07] low volume ]

[2:38:08] they can come in and ask any type

[2:38:10] of question.

[2:38:13] we post the solicitation online

[2:38:15] so everybody can see the questions

[2:38:16] and

[2:38:19] what the answers are. [

[2:38:20] indiscernible -background noise ]

[2:38:22] >>

[2:38:25] it almost seems

[2:38:28] to me that they should present that

[2:38:31] to us to understand

[2:38:34] how to do this.

[2:38:35] >>

[2:38:37] I would be happy to

[2:38:40] do so.

[2:38:43] >>

[2:38:46] debbie lucks

[2:38:49] --debbie

[2:38:52] lux for the record.

[2:38:55] is everybody okay with

[2:38:58] looking at sites to put

[2:39:01] something out?

[2:39:04] I started

[2:39:07] some questions.

[2:39:10] you may have those questions already

[2:39:11] down

[2:39:13] in the process.

[2:39:16] >> that is not what I was suggesting.

[2:39:17] all

[2:39:19] I was saying, just like city manager,

[2:39:22] excuse me, just like

[2:39:25] the city attorney, you will

[2:39:28] put it on the website , why not for

[2:39:31] the city manager, too?

[2:39:34] >> job description for the city manager

[2:39:37] and post that

[2:39:40] with salary range, job duties .

[2:39:45] >> we need to discuss salary range.

[2:39:49] prior to putting

[2:39:52] it up.

[2:39:53] >> for the

[2:39:55] search form?

[2:39:58] --for the

[2:40:01] search firm? [

[2:40:04] indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:40:06] >> my questions, with salary range,

[2:40:10] specifically at a city with 20,000

[2:40:13] ,

[2:40:16] seawalls , things

[2:40:19] like that , the

[2:40:22] whole state of florida?

[2:40:23] >>

[2:40:25] salary ranges

[2:40:27] are set by compensation and benefits.

[2:40:31] they examine every position in

[2:40:34] the city. That is how

[2:40:37] it is set.

[2:40:38] >> okay,

[2:40:40] every city,

[2:40:43] no matter what size?

[2:40:44] >>

[2:40:46] we concentrate on just

[2:40:49] about this in our primary area. Ft. Meyers

[2:40:52] , sarasota.

[2:40:55] >> my question, I

[2:40:57] the respect that and understand that, but

[2:41:00] with charlotte county with a much

[2:41:01] bigger project

[2:41:04] , a lot different than

[2:41:07] us being lower budget

[2:41:10] to pay this much money

[2:41:13] for something.

[2:41:16] county is a lot more work than somebody

[2:41:17] in

[2:41:19] our city.

[2:41:22] how

[2:41:25] many staff , how much more money?

[2:41:28] a moralistic

[2:41:31] --a more

[2:41:34] realistic amount, let's say

[2:41:37] $140,000

[2:41:40] to $200,000 , they

[2:41:43] will say, I want $200,000.

[2:41:44] >>

[2:41:49] I recommend that is the highest

[2:41:52] we would like.

[2:41:58] .

[2:42:01] 15

[2:42:04] >> this is a sliding scale

[2:42:07] ?

[2:42:08] >> a minimum and maximum.

[2:42:10] 4% increases

[2:42:13] each year.

[2:42:25] >> jeannine polk for

[2:42:28] the record. I am concerned , we

[2:42:31] are going to a

[2:42:33] pathway not having a search firm for

[2:42:34] the city manager.

[2:42:37] they have

[2:42:40] the wherewithal to draw in the best

[2:42:41] of

[2:42:43] the best.

[2:42:45] I am concerned if we just put it on

[2:42:46] the internet,

[2:42:52] $30,000 or whatever we will pay them,

[2:42:53] that

[2:42:55] is nothing.

[2:42:58] we do not know what we

[2:43:01] are doing. I do not know what I am doing.

[2:43:04] citizens

[2:43:07] we entrust,

[2:43:10] may not know what they're doing. These firms

[2:43:13] know what they are doing. My concern,

[2:43:17] just put it on the internet

[2:43:20] --denton

[2:43:28] [ indiscernible -low volume ].

[2:43:29] >>

[2:43:30] this is the most important decision

[2:43:32] we will make in

[2:43:35] our term.

[2:43:38] I thought that is

[2:43:39] the direction we were going, who do

[2:43:41] this professionally.

[2:43:42] >>

[2:43:44] I was offering something else,

[2:43:47] with technology,

[2:43:50] we could be candidates

[2:43:53] who are actively looking.

[2:43:56] >> not saying not

[2:43:57] to do it, just saying additional.

[2:44:04] I understand what melissa is saying.

[2:44:08] >>

[2:44:11] [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:44:14] ]

[2:44:17] >> yes ,

[2:44:20] looking at a firm, want to also

[2:44:23] [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:44:26] ]

[2:44:28] I think that is what melissa is asking.

[2:44:35] >> I concur. >>

[2:44:41] do we have a job description for

[2:44:44] this position?

[2:44:45] >>

[2:44:47] I have it right here.

[2:44:50] >>

[2:44:52] I would like to see it and discuss

[2:44:53] it to

[2:44:55] make sure we are still on the same page.

[2:44:59] >> if you go with

[2:45:00] a search firm, that will be a part

[2:45:02] of the process.

[2:45:08] >> I sidetracked everybody,

[2:45:11] basically today is just

[2:45:14] a direction , soliciting ,

[2:45:17] bringing a search firm.

[2:45:20] is that correct?

[2:45:23] >> the evaluation criteria I

[2:45:26] have . Structures

[2:45:29] , guarantees ,

[2:45:32] we want to guarantee from

[2:45:34] every person --[ indiscernible -low

[2:45:35] volume

[2:45:38] ] the methodology

[2:45:41] , the approach , the timeline.

[2:45:50] if you are okay with those, [ indiscernible

[2:45:53] -low volume ] .

[2:45:54] >>

[2:45:56] a motion to approve

[2:46:03] 6f.

[2:46:04] >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. >>

[2:46:05] opposed?

[2:46:08] motion carries.

[2:46:09] >>

[2:46:11] thank you.

[2:46:23] >> if you speak

[2:46:25] into the microphone, it helps the video.

[2:46:29] >>

[2:46:32] I am here for agenda item

[2:46:35] 6h, draft

[2:46:38] hud --draft polk

[2:46:44] amendments. -- draft

[2:46:47] ldr amendments.

[2:46:50] today

[2:46:55] to see if council was any additional

[2:46:56] revisions

[2:46:59] before the public hearing

[2:47:02] for zoning

[2:47:05] [ indiscernible -low volume ].

[2:47:11] >> debbie lux

[2:47:14] for the record, thank you for working

[2:47:15] so

[2:47:17] hard on this. A lot

[2:47:19] of hard work to figure out those numbers.

[2:47:26] >> I

[2:47:29] have a minor question ,

[2:47:32] [

[2:47:34] indiscernible -low volume ] surface

[2:47:35] with brick

[2:47:38] , asphalt

[2:47:41] , does this have to come before

[2:47:44] council ?

[2:47:47] >> that was a requested change.

[2:47:50] if you want it to go before council

[2:47:53] .

[2:47:59] >> [ indiscernible -low

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[2:48:13] >> seems like a lot of busy work for

[2:48:14] a small item.

[2:48:20] >> [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:48:34] >> are you talking about concrete,

[2:48:38] janis ?

[2:48:39] >>

[2:48:44] it says that

[2:48:47] , with recommendation

[2:48:50] from public works, as approved,

[2:48:53] does it just go to public works?

[2:48:56] >> no.

[2:48:59] >> come

[2:49:03] before council for a final decision

[2:49:05] but need a recommendation .

[2:49:11] >>

[2:49:14] a motion?

[2:49:15] >> I move to

[2:49:17] approved maintenance

[2:49:20] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:49:29] >>

[2:49:38] second.

[2:49:39] >> all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? The

[2:49:41] motion carries. Thank you

[2:49:44] very much. Next,

[2:49:50] nominations, planning

[2:49:53] and zoning.

[2:49:54] >> sara welch for

[2:49:56] the record.

[2:50:02] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:50:08] council may nominate

[2:50:11] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:50:17] >> I

[2:50:20] would love

[2:50:23] --[ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:50:26] >>

[2:50:40] second.

[2:50:41] >> all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? Motion carries. Do you want to do

[2:50:42] your report?

[2:50:44] >>

[2:50:47] [ indiscernible -muffled ]

[2:50:50] qualifying

[2:50:53] period from tonight

[2:50:56] to

[2:50:59] --june 9th

[2:51:02] to june 13th

[2:51:05] , 25 .

[2:51:08] 2025

[2:51:11] . [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:51:19] the primary election held on august 19th

[2:51:23] --[

[2:51:26] indiscernible -muffled ]

[2:51:29] >> melissa ?

[2:51:33] >> I have a list of items

[2:51:39] , we had a meeting

[2:51:45] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:51:46] they brought forth an opportunity

[2:51:47] to consolidate city operations to

[2:51:51] one building.

[2:51:57] bringing it up to

[2:52:00] hurricane standards.

[2:52:03] one city council to consider

[2:52:06] that option, they were

[2:52:15] [ indiscernible -low

[2:52:18] volume ]

[2:52:21] >>

[2:52:24] council chambers ?

[2:52:27] >>

[2:52:29] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:52:30] >> jeannine polk

[2:52:33] , in the city,

[2:52:42] where is the $50 ? That is a

[2:52:45] ridiculous price.

[2:52:48] if the city council wants

[2:52:51] to move in the direction,

[2:52:54] you will have people say, oh,

[2:52:56] no.

[2:52:57] >> [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:53:00] ]

[2:53:03] correct?

[2:53:04] >> correct.

[2:53:06] >> [

[2:53:09] indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:53:10] >>

[2:53:12] 1978

[2:53:15] addition a city

[2:53:18] hall chambers is about complete.

[2:53:21] staff is doing the

[2:53:24] final reviews.

[2:53:27] a lot of people have

[2:53:29] been interested in the tourist attraction

[2:53:33] ,

[2:53:36] we have been working with our city

[2:53:37] police

[2:53:38] department [ indiscernible -background

[2:53:39] noise ]

[2:53:41] with necessary sign-ups for those vessels,

[2:53:45] all four

[2:53:48] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:53:51] I am working on

[2:53:54] the date.

[2:54:06] [ indiscernible -

[2:54:09] low volume ]

[2:54:12] we have the draft scope for the

[2:54:15] dock master. City staff,

[2:54:18] what the management company does

[2:54:21] for us.

[2:54:24] we are staffed to handle

[2:54:26] the other things [ indiscernible -

[2:54:27] low volume ] .

[2:54:35] from the landscaping to the electrical,

[2:54:36] air conditioning,

[2:54:39] anything that

[2:54:42] land side, that would

[2:54:44] be responsible for the entire building.

[2:54:48] looking at potentially being able

[2:54:49] to

[2:54:51] have staff --add to staff,

[2:54:56] I do not know if we are ready for that.

[2:55:06] any other conversation you

[2:55:09] may want to have on that issue?

[2:55:12] >>

[2:55:14] is the management company doing the

[2:55:15] landscaping themselves?

[2:55:18] or hiring someone?

[2:55:21] >>

[2:55:24] I am not sure . We would have

[2:55:27] to check with him on that.

[2:55:32] the solicitation [ indiscernible -

[2:55:33] low volume

[2:55:36] ]

[2:55:42] we will work on the

[2:55:45] most cost-effective.

[2:55:48] the document only solves

[2:55:51] one portion.

[2:55:57] >> do we have a job description

[2:56:00] for the dock master?

[2:56:01] >>

[2:56:02] just about ready for publication.

[2:56:06] >> open for

[2:56:09] applications?

[2:56:10] >> it is not.

[2:56:23] another item that keeps coming up,

[2:56:27] the review

[2:56:30] ,

[2:56:33] what are you

[2:56:35] looking for, what information do I

[2:56:38] forward you [ indiscernible -low volume

[2:56:39] ]

[2:56:42] what are your

[2:56:45] wishes

[2:56:48] there?

[2:56:49] >> melissa.

[2:56:51] the biggest confusion.

[2:56:57] what the tenant

[2:57:00] is responsible for. They

[2:57:03] had to read it and sign it. To

[2:57:06] continue with those leases,

[2:57:09] from taxpayer dollars,

[2:57:12] has to be written in a

[2:57:15] certain way, outsource that to a leasing company

[2:57:18] and taken off the shoulders of the city.

[2:57:21] we should not be in the

[2:57:24] rental business.

[2:57:26] looking for another entity to take

[2:57:27] that over. My other request was

[2:57:30] to have --

[2:57:32] when the floodgates would be put up.

[2:57:33] another concern

[2:57:36] , that tenants had come

[2:57:39] a storm is a certain amount

[2:57:42] of miles saturated, when

[2:57:44] the floodgates are put up you do not

[2:57:45] get anything,

[2:57:48] interrupts business .

[2:57:51] the flipside, they are

[2:57:54] not up. I would like to have a more

[2:57:55] definitive. This

[2:57:57] is when they can expect those gates

[2:57:58] to

[2:58:00] go up.

[2:58:03] a policy,

[2:58:06] however.

[2:58:07] >>

[2:58:08] jeannine polk for the record. Just

[2:58:09] to see

[2:58:12] when are the

[2:58:15] contracts up. It could be a viable solution

[2:58:18] , a

[2:58:21] city employee there

[2:58:24] in those buildings.

[2:58:27] why not use them? Why

[2:58:29] not use what we have to conserve?

[2:58:33] I feel it is an option

[2:58:36] for us.

[2:58:42] >> I agree

[2:58:47] with that. If there is a flood, we

[2:58:48] can't go

[2:58:54] through what we

[2:58:57] went through.

[2:59:00] plus, we can

[2:59:06] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[2:59:12] >> are

[2:59:15] we vacating those spots ?

[2:59:18] >>

[2:59:21] dependent upon as having space available

[2:59:24] to continue operations

[2:59:27] there.

[2:59:28] >> so,

[2:59:31] greg julian,

[2:59:34] I talked about the

[2:59:35] tenants at the airport and they are

[2:59:37] concerned, they want to know

[2:59:39] what you have been talking about.

[2:59:43] they want clarity

[2:59:46] .

[2:59:48] so they are not caught in the same situation.

[2:59:52] insurance company

[2:59:55] , they're not getting anything.

[2:59:58] to help them out.

[3:00:01] I want to see some urgency about

[3:00:03] these leases and make sure they are

[3:00:07] clear and we are clear .

[3:00:10] that they

[3:00:12] need communication as to what may happen

[3:00:16] in hurricane season .

[3:00:19] they are not

[3:00:22] designed to keep water out.

[3:00:25] do some repairs to the

[3:00:28] existing ones

[3:00:31] but we need to look at

[3:00:34] a way of keeping water out of

[3:00:37] the door frames.

[3:00:39] >> I do have additional comments.

[3:00:43] public works director,

[3:00:46] he spoke to the individual

[3:00:49] , renting those spaces, concerns

[3:00:52] about modifications

[3:00:55] to the

[3:00:57] flat-panel system. On the parallel,

[3:01:01] in tallahassee ,

[3:01:07] contact from

[3:01:09] a member of office and budget in medication

[3:01:13] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[3:01:19] .

[3:01:22] we are working on that.

[3:01:25] how

[3:01:28] we are going to staff this ,

[3:01:31] communicating that .

[3:01:34] when we put those panels up early

[3:01:37] ,

[3:01:39] the tenants are not happy with that.

[3:01:43] not happy

[3:01:45] with what happened as a result of the

[3:01:49] flood.

[3:01:55] we had a contract in place

[3:01:58] . The

[3:02:01] city council made the decision to provide

[3:02:07] [

[3:02:10] indiscernible -low volume ]

[3:02:13] council will have to decide

[3:02:16] the balance of interest

[3:02:19] .

[3:02:20] >>

[3:02:22] there is the perception

[3:02:25] whether or

[3:02:28] not they would've done anything

[3:02:31] , nobody really knows. I guess

[3:02:34] we do not , cannot guarantee they

[3:02:37] will not be flooded. [

[3:02:40] indiscernible - low volume ]

[3:02:43] there is not really a way to promise anything.

[3:02:46] we do not want to be sued

[3:02:52] .

[3:03:01] >> jeannine polk for the record.

[3:03:13] [ indiscernible -low volume

[3:03:16] ]

[3:03:17] >> I am asking for

[3:03:19] more input

[3:03:22] , so you can have the information

[3:03:25] you need in front of you.

[3:03:28] >>

[3:03:29] we want to look at the existing leases

[3:03:31] and what we want

[3:03:33] to do, to see if the city should take

[3:03:34] over the spots.

[3:03:37] >> and

[3:03:40] policy on the floodgates.

[3:03:48] >> couple of events we have coming up,

[3:03:52] the 24th , planning session at

[3:03:54] the library. Listening session for

[3:03:55] my

[3:03:58] council . To hear

[3:04:01] from the public .

[3:04:04] where they

[3:04:06] want to see the city go in the future

[3:04:07] and provide thoughts

[3:04:13] on what will

[3:04:15] make their lives better in the city.

[3:04:19] very excited for that session.

[3:04:22] [ indiscernible -background noise

[3:04:25] ] a public workshop

[3:04:28] from 5:30

[3:04:31] to 7:30 at st. Mary's church.

[3:04:37] [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[3:04:43] staff

[3:04:46] and council representatives [

[3:04:48] indiscernible -background noise ]

[3:04:52] looking for city commentary in

[3:04:55] the area and support

[3:04:58] [ indiscernible - low volume ]

[3:05:07] development study they

[3:05:10] will be writing grants,

[3:05:13] looking for letters

[3:05:16] of support . With your permission,

[3:05:19] I will

[3:05:25] put this on letterhead

[3:05:28] for the city of punta gorda .

[3:05:31] another update,

[3:05:33] we talked about the website upgrades

[3:05:34] that

[3:05:37] are necessary.

[3:05:40] utilizing our credits

[3:05:43] we arty have.

[3:05:45] not a significant investment in dollars

[3:05:46] to refresh

[3:05:49] , upgrade the website.

[3:05:52] we want to make sure we

[3:05:54] are providing information on our projects

[3:05:55] and

[3:05:58] keep people updated on

[3:06:01] the projects. Go to the website

[3:06:03] to look at the projects that are happening

[3:06:07] and how they are progressing.

[3:06:10] we have done a lot of research into tools

[3:06:13] , software .

[3:06:16] we already have

[3:06:19] the tool.

[3:06:22] within that,

[3:06:25] we will purchase

[3:06:28] more of the training credits.

[3:06:34] project managers.

[3:06:37] [ indiscernible -

[3:06:40] low volume ]

[3:06:43] staff is

[3:06:46] working on the moratorium

[3:06:49] on storage units.

[3:06:58] [ indiscernible -low volume

[3:07:01] ] coming to council

[3:07:04] for final adoption .

[3:07:07] >>

[3:07:10] greg julian. Verifying

[3:07:13] the facility

[3:07:16] already the exception

[3:07:19] , is that great grandfathered?

[3:07:22] a letter from his

[3:07:25] attorney yesterday

[3:07:28] that , is that grandfathered?

[3:07:34] carwashes going forward ?

[3:07:35] >> so ,

[3:07:37] I was provided

[3:07:40] with a copy of

[3:07:43] the appeal that

[3:07:46] was submitted with respect

[3:07:49] to that. Ask zoning

[3:07:51] officials questions pertaining to

[3:07:52] that view.

[3:07:55] the determination this morning

[3:07:58] was that

[3:08:01] the heel was not

[3:08:07] --as that [ indiscernible -

[3:08:10] background noise ]

[3:08:13] the person submitting

[3:08:16] the appeal did not waste

[3:08:19] any opposition and comments at

[3:08:22] the configuring during

[3:08:25] special sessions.

[3:08:37] [ indiscernible -low volume ] both

[3:08:38] of which

[3:08:40] are mandatory requirements . The right

[3:08:44] to appeal. As a result,

[3:08:47] deem the

[3:08:50] special exception as final.

[3:08:52] [ indiscernible -background noise

[3:08:56] ]

[3:08:59] it would be

[3:09:00] grandfathered with respect to initial action.

[3:09:08] >> [ indiscernible -low volume ]

[3:09:20] that was the confusion here.

[3:09:23] allowing storage unit to

[3:09:25] be placed there, despite [ indiscernible

[3:09:26] -low volume

[3:09:28] ] .

[3:09:29] >> that is correct. [ indiscernible

[3:09:30] -

[3:09:31] background noise ] [ indiscernible

[3:09:32] -low volume ]

[3:09:34] [ indiscernible -background noise

[3:09:35] ]

[3:09:36] >>

[3:09:38] staff has developed more complaints of

[3:09:41] management according to

[3:09:44] for the cip projects,

[3:09:47] we put together a nice tool

[3:09:50] ,

[3:09:53] we will have the ability to

[3:09:55] have reporting which will allow us

[3:09:57] to pull information from the systems

[3:09:59] that is

[3:10:02] --our information is going into.

[3:10:05] in a more complex subway

[3:10:08] to the city council.

[3:10:11] february,

[3:10:17] we have our listening sessions,

[3:10:23] physical budget,

[3:10:26] cip

[3:10:29] 2025 updates coming up

[3:10:30] , and long-range financial planning.

[3:10:34] it is really important for residents

[3:10:38] to attend this

[3:10:41] , march 22nd

[3:10:44] , city staff will be asking

[3:10:47] --looking

[3:10:50] for direction ,

[3:10:52] answering questions in the community

[3:10:59] [ indiscernible -low volume

[3:11:01] ] . We encourage residents to attend.

[3:11:05] I wanted

[3:11:08] to mention pickleball,

[3:11:11] a number of ideas from

[3:11:13] the community , thoughts from the

[3:11:17] pickleball community.

[3:11:20] mr.

[3:11:23] edwards suggested

[3:11:26] we design it , have

[3:11:29] our staff

[3:11:31] weigh in, get comments from the public.

[3:11:35] if you

[3:11:36] have anything, forward those along

[3:11:38] to us.

[3:11:41] the gofundme page,

[3:11:44] pickleball players

[3:11:46] are supporting the investment in some

[3:11:50] trees and potentially

[3:11:57] benches. Be willing to help with the fence they are

[3:11:59] looking at

[3:12:02] requesting.

[3:12:05] have good community engagement.

[3:12:08] anyone who has an interest

[3:12:10] and passion , may be interested in

[3:12:11] something

[3:12:14] like that. We have a resident asking

[3:12:17] information about

[3:12:20] the website, our planning board.

[3:12:23] that is something we can make

[3:12:25] more prevalent. Our list of projects

[3:12:26] in

[3:12:29] various stages,

[3:12:32] we

[3:12:34] have a lot of water projects going on.

[3:12:38] we have a grant application in

[3:12:41] .

[3:12:44] within the cip plan,

[3:12:47] how producers , upgrades

[3:12:50] as well.

[3:12:53] we are working with the rate study.

[3:12:56] discussions with council to

[3:12:59] serve that process

[3:13:01] should we look at alternative funding

[3:13:02] so that

[3:13:04] we can get the support and water projects done.

[3:13:08] get that information published.

[3:13:11] emergency meetings with the city

[3:13:14] .

[3:13:19] it would not be a special meeting

[3:13:20] .

[3:13:23] we can use that

[3:13:40] tool, too. I will stop right there. [ laughter ]

[3:13:41] >> mr. Levin? >> nothing further, thanks

[3:13:42] you.

[3:13:43] >>

[3:13:47] melissa?

[3:13:48] >> the duplexes on magdalena?

[3:13:56] sorry, rachel.

[3:14:02] >>

[3:14:05] that is still in progress.

[3:14:08] was evaluated and going through,

[3:14:14] we did note that the

[3:14:17] development must --may not be the

[3:14:20] best route,

[3:14:23] [ indiscernible -low volume ] we are

[3:14:26] now exploring the potential of

[3:14:29] a neighborhood

[3:14:32] residential district

[3:14:33] which would allow for residential

[3:14:35] uses and

[3:14:38] cap the size at

[3:14:41] two units.

[3:14:44] we are still working on that

[3:14:47] and it will go before planning and zoning.

[3:14:53] >> I went out and

[3:14:56] did a three hour,

[3:14:59] it would've been longer, but

[3:15:01] I had to leave, with tom spencer --

[3:15:04] if you have not been out there, I

[3:15:05] would suggest, take

[3:15:08] a tour with tom. The

[3:15:11] knowledge, who knew water

[3:15:14] could be so fascinating? It opened

[3:15:17] my eyes , especially around the

[3:15:20] budget talks. I appreciate that. Tom, I

[3:15:21] will give

[3:15:23] you the spotlight,

[3:15:26] maybe having some public

[3:15:28] tours, I think that is a great idea.

[3:15:32] the more

[3:15:34] the public and see what is going on

[3:15:35] and understand, that is

[3:15:38] it.

[3:15:39] >> janis ? >>

[3:15:41] I want to commend our public works

[3:15:44] for last week or so , I was

[3:15:47] riding my bike and going by the

[3:15:50] book club , there was our

[3:15:53] giant truck with the water pressure

[3:15:56] hose and a section

[3:15:59] hose. If the pipe

[3:16:02] is this

[3:16:04] big, silt and sand was six inches

[3:16:05] from the top. They

[3:16:08] were cleaning

[3:16:10] drains. We thank you and commend you,

[3:16:14] and want to see

[3:16:16] more of that, which I am sure you

[3:16:17] are doing. Cleaning drains, so

[3:16:20] concerned about we love the progress.

[3:16:23] thank you very much.

[3:16:24] >> jeannine ?

[3:16:27] >>

[3:16:30] thank you,

[3:16:35] I got in touch with her about the

[3:16:36] tour buses. Has

[3:16:37] anybody seen those throughout the city?

[3:16:42] a person lives in

[3:16:43] downtown in my district was saying,

[3:16:45] why

[3:16:48] are these buses here?

[3:16:49] they were parked on a small road and

[3:16:51] it was concerning

[3:16:54] to the residents

[3:16:55] that emergency vehicles could not

[3:16:57] get by , or

[3:17:00] traffic connected by. We

[3:17:03] got in touch with you . Those

[3:17:05] tour buses , we are going to fight

[3:17:06] a place

[3:17:07] for them to safely part so they are

[3:17:09] not in the way of

[3:17:12] traffic. Not sure if we did not

[3:17:15] realize that but it seems to be

[3:17:18] an issue . I do not think it

[3:17:21] will be an issue anymore.

[3:17:22] >>

[3:17:23] in contact with the tour company that he

[3:17:27] --

[3:17:28] in contact with the tour company,

[3:17:30] they had a new driver

[3:17:32] who was not aware. That will work

[3:17:33] itself out

[3:17:36] but something we want to

[3:17:38] consider in the future because they

[3:17:39] could potentially

[3:17:42] be other tour companies

[3:17:44] that need a safe place to drop people off.

[3:17:51] that will be staff discussion.

[3:17:52] >>

[3:17:54] I have never

[3:17:57] visited on a cruise line,

[3:18:00] if anyone is interested,

[3:18:03] go and see what it is all about.

[3:18:06] was

[3:18:08] not connected into the person called me,

[3:18:12] there is a tour bus.

[3:18:15] okay. There is that. Flooding,

[3:18:21] are there divers

[3:18:23] coming to look at our flood situation?

[3:18:24] how is

[3:18:27] that going ?

[3:18:30] how is that all going?

[3:18:36] >>

[3:18:39] engineering

[3:18:48] is in the

[3:18:49] process of that among many other things.

[3:18:51] >> thank you very much

[3:18:54] for that.

[3:18:57] are you going to say something?

[3:18:58] >>

[3:19:00] downtown flooding ,

[3:19:03] the solicitation --

[3:19:06] we extended it several times.

[3:19:09] we had two responses

[3:19:12] from companies and are obtaining

[3:19:15] the residences and will be

[3:19:18] setting up evaluations.

[3:19:19] >>

[3:19:21] do you have a

[3:19:24] sense of when it will

[3:19:27] be released?

[3:19:30] >> he said two weeks.

[3:19:33] [ laughter ]

[3:19:34] >>

[3:19:36] I wanted to get that on the

[3:19:39] record because

[3:19:42] --before the

[3:19:45] rain comes.

[3:19:48] the concern ,

[3:19:51] just

[3:19:53] like warehouse and self storage ,

[3:19:54] are we going to

[3:19:57] see this

[3:20:00] before us? The drc will look

[3:20:03] at this.

[3:20:08] thank you, rachel. You should stay closer.

[3:20:09] >>

[3:20:12] the way the code is

[3:20:15] written, punta gorda has the final decision

[3:20:18] , special exceptions

[3:20:21] , we are still finalizing that

[3:20:24] staff report.

[3:20:26] we were trying to dry conditions to

[3:20:29] save cars , it is surrounded by residential properties.

[3:20:33] we are finalizing the

[3:20:35] staff report and will get that out

[3:20:36] later today.

[3:20:37] >>

[3:20:39] exactly,

[3:20:41] my concern, I hope they understand

[3:20:42] the difference between zoning,

[3:20:45] they're saying [ indiscernible -

[3:20:48] muffled ] I am concerned , that

[3:20:51] is a commercial

[3:20:54] zoning and is allowed but is not in the

[3:20:59] residential area . I may need you again.

[3:21:00] no wall by the

[3:21:03] car wash. I

[3:21:05] am getting complaints of various people

[3:21:06] who lived

[3:21:09] behind it who are in

[3:21:12] our city, our hearing a noise

[3:21:15] . They said

[3:21:18] there is no wall. Next

[3:21:21] to the

[3:21:24] building you are in now. Just wondering,

[3:21:27] is there something we could

[3:21:30] put in , recommendations that would

[3:21:33] protect them ?

[3:21:34] >>

[3:21:36] we have

[3:21:38] had people stop by our office. Equipment

[3:21:42] --

[3:21:45] the boys --the noise was louder than

[3:21:48] in the past. We

[3:21:50] have law enforcement visiting them.

[3:21:54] they will have to do something

[3:21:56] to mitigate those noises.

[3:21:57] >> great.

[3:22:03] maybe adding a wall

[3:22:06] , especially in a

[3:22:09] residential area.

[3:22:11] so they can have some sort of tranquility.

[3:22:12] >>

[3:22:17] that will be part of the carwash and

[3:22:18] storage facility discussion.

[3:22:21] that will be in the

[3:22:24] discussion going forward.

[3:22:27] >> may I

[3:22:28] respond to your commercial comment

[3:22:30] ?

[3:22:39] I understand all the points

[3:22:42] of view.

[3:22:45] it is for marine purposes , to encourage tourism.

[3:22:48] some have their

[3:22:54] boats launched,

[3:22:57] I would not call it

[3:23:00] industrial, marine , tourism.

[3:23:03] they can

[3:23:06] put that in their

[3:23:09] facility . I have examples

[3:23:12] to both sides of the story.

[3:23:18] >>

[3:23:21] it is multi family

[3:23:24] , 15, a residential area.

[3:23:27] >>

[3:23:29] general multi family is a special

[3:23:30] exception. Accessory use

[3:23:33] to their boat. Still

[3:23:36] finalizing that

[3:23:39] staff report.

[3:23:42] >> that is fine. >>

[3:23:45] you will see the staff report.

[3:23:48] >> I have

[3:23:51] one item.

[3:23:54] boaters

[3:23:57] have lost the opportunity to take

[3:23:58] showers at the south park.

[3:24:00] plentycounty

[3:24:02] of places in reasonable proximity.

[3:24:12] I understand we can set

[3:24:15] it for the showers. They were able

[3:24:16] to

[3:24:18] get showers all year long

[3:24:21] at south county

[3:24:24] park.

[3:24:27] we are charging

[3:24:30] $15, I would like

[3:24:32] a temporary , reasonable accommodation for

[3:24:36] boaters. They are

[3:24:39] renovating it, a

[3:24:42] 2.5 month period. More

[3:24:45] reasonable

[3:24:49] three bucks per shower. One boater

[3:24:52] said it would be

[3:24:55] $5000 to

[3:24:58] take showers . He comes to the

[3:25:01] shore and goes to work.

[3:25:04] >>

[3:25:07] I can add that to a

[3:25:10] future agenda. Consider,

[3:25:13] in normal operations ,

[3:25:16] a considerable strain

[3:25:19] on resources to people in

[3:25:22] the harbor .

[3:25:25] >> I am only talking about

[3:25:28] the next two months.

[3:25:29] >>

[3:25:31] as we conclude the contract with management,

[3:25:34] have the dock master in place

[3:25:37] for those

[3:25:40] facilities.

[3:25:43] >> okay. >> wow, okay.

[3:25:49] I think this is great.

[3:25:52] great input. Eric,

[3:25:55] thank you for allowing us to

[3:25:58] use this facility.

[3:26:00] thank you for going ahead with the 911.

[3:26:03] our police trauma and fire department

[3:26:04] , the

[3:26:05] stresses they have been dealing with.

[3:26:10] I would love to see more

[3:26:13] workshops we will be having,

[3:26:16] making sure people can know they

[3:26:18] can talk to us . They may have some

[3:26:21] great ideas that we do not even think about.

[3:26:27] I think it is really nice for us to

[3:26:28] have that

[3:26:31] input. Also,

[3:26:34] a resident sent me an email saying

[3:26:37] they're looking for the cars.

[3:26:40] they want to

[3:26:43] do something with the

[3:26:46] car washes. They were asking about

[3:26:49] that. Also,

[3:26:55] I was asked to shout out,

[3:26:57] same day as our event on march 22nd,

[3:27:01] bicycle

[3:27:04] clue, I guess

[3:27:07] is what they are doing. It will

[3:27:10] be fun.

[3:27:13] last,

[3:27:16] do we have any residents

[3:27:19] for final input ?

[3:27:25] >>

[3:27:28] two things, one,

[3:27:37] on the search for the future city manager -- I have done a

[3:27:40] lot of

[3:27:43] thinking about this, my

[3:27:46] family

[3:27:48] has been here for a long time in punta

[3:27:49] gorda .

[3:27:55] shut me

[3:27:57] how much taxes she has been in two,

[3:28:01] three homes.

[3:28:04] we are letting somebody

[3:28:07] who knows florida , somebody

[3:28:10] who is not

[3:28:13] from out-of-state, and somebody who knows

[3:28:16] the specific water problems

[3:28:19] that are happening in the state

[3:28:22] . I want to let you know,

[3:28:25] other people in our

[3:28:27] legislation delegation do not know

[3:28:28] what is

[3:28:31] truthfully happening.

[3:28:34] I have to tell you,

[3:28:37] I bump into our

[3:28:40] former city manager all

[3:28:43] the time , I have his cell number,

[3:28:47] eye call him to shoot the breeze and

[3:28:49] we have great conversations.

[3:28:55] I spent a lot of time, had

[3:28:58] people want me to start a consulting

[3:29:01] firm for politicians, et cetera, no.

[3:29:04] I am citizen.

[3:29:10] I will tell you,

[3:29:13] seeing what happens

[3:29:16] in study with the harbor , other

[3:29:18] scientists and other people who were

[3:29:19] working

[3:29:22] to help improve the problem in florida.

[3:29:25] we need somebody

[3:29:30] who is going to really take care of

[3:29:34] us. I have met a lot of

[3:29:37] city managers,

[3:29:40] and when I leave these

[3:29:42] meetings, I am feeling good. I don't

[3:29:43] have an

[3:29:46] upset stomach.

[3:29:48] I do not feel like I'm getting the

[3:29:49] wool pulled over

[3:29:52] my eyes. I want to say , right now,

[3:29:55] our city manager

[3:29:58] is done one

[3:30:01] hell of a job. [

[3:30:04] applause ]

[3:30:07] step in in a

[3:30:10] very difficult time.

[3:30:13] whoever will put their name and

[3:30:16] that had , I appreciate

[3:30:19] it and want to tell you, when

[3:30:22] you have somebody

[3:30:25] , a system that is working, not

[3:30:28] only working , light years

[3:30:31] ahead of anyone in

[3:30:34] the city with experience , we have

[3:30:37] to respect

[3:30:40] that. Regarding the attorney,

[3:30:43] we are here because of

[3:30:46] a few poor decisions. Freedom

[3:30:49] of speech , lawsuits.

[3:30:52] thank you.

[3:31:04] >> hi.

[3:31:07] I have

[3:31:10] a picture , a suggestion,

[3:31:16] maybe put

[3:31:19] in the commercial

[3:31:22] -- maybe

[3:31:25] put it in a commercial.

[3:31:28] this store is probably

[3:31:33] eight feet tall, this is three times

[3:31:34] that height.

[3:31:40] right next to the houses.

[3:31:43] just a suggestion.

[3:31:58] >> I

[3:32:04] want to thank they mayor for

[3:32:07] tallahassee,

[3:32:10] a good job, especially to

[3:32:12] the mayor for spending her own funds

[3:32:13] to facilitate that.

[3:32:16] I want to comment on your search.

[3:32:19] I was a recruiter,

[3:32:25] search consultant, one thing,

[3:32:28] people who do this for a living

[3:32:31] are not just looking

[3:32:33] for people who are looking for a job,

[3:32:34] they already have a

[3:32:37] multitude of people who probably can't

[3:32:38] do the

[3:32:40] job very well and are not necessarily looking.

[3:32:43] these are people you will not

[3:32:46] be --

[3:32:49] these people are not looking, this

[3:32:50] is what

[3:32:52] an executive search form can do. --

[3:32:53] this is what

[3:32:55] an executive search can do.firm

[3:32:59] >> I will

[3:33:02] make this quick, $165

[3:33:05] per hour,

[3:33:08] the cost savings

[3:33:11] are significant.

[3:33:14] [ indiscernible -low

[3:33:17] volume ] you do not have to take

[3:33:20] his opinion. Something

[3:33:22] about giving people access to meetings.

[3:33:26] they have an ordinance

[3:33:29] in public buildings.

[3:33:35] I

[3:33:36] do not know if that has to do with

[3:33:38] the legislation you are

[3:33:41] looking at.

[3:33:47] [ indiscernible -low volume ] I know

[3:33:50] he has experience. His judgment

[3:33:53] is sound.

[3:33:59] would

[3:34:00] you want your pediatrician to treat

[3:34:02] you today

[3:34:05] ? You would want geriatric care.

[3:34:08] [ laughter ]

[3:34:11] something to think about.

[3:34:14] also , the cost of living has

[3:34:17] gone up exponentially. My son

[3:34:23] got offers for being

[3:34:26] six $5000 you

[3:34:29] --$65,000 per year

[3:34:32] ,

[3:34:35] you would

[3:34:36] be surprised with the recommendations are.

[3:34:44] his firm is very large.

[3:34:50] thank you very

[3:34:53] much.

[3:34:54] >>

[3:34:56] mike, punta

[3:34:59] gorda ,

[3:35:02] [ indiscernible -muffled

[3:35:05] ] from the hospital to

[3:35:08] city hall ,

[3:35:11] [ indiscernible ]

[3:35:13] you cannot build a building in that

[3:35:14] area. You

[3:35:17] cannot build this building today

[3:35:20] located on olympia or

[3:35:22] marion avenue. You would have to have

[3:35:23] a second

[3:35:26] for multi family use or office.

[3:35:28] I am a commercial appraiser and I

[3:35:29] appraise properties all over

[3:35:32] florida and 60%

[3:35:33] to 70% of the properties I appraise

[3:35:35] are single tenant buildings. The current

[3:35:38] [ indiscernible ] eliminate

[3:35:41] --the proposal

[3:35:42] for the city market place the staff

[3:35:44] is reviewing

[3:35:46] is not for a potential buyer or developer,

[3:35:47] it is for

[3:35:49] the owners. They have no plans to

[3:35:50] develop the site

[3:35:53] merely trying to sell the property

[3:35:55] the attorney for city marketplace

[3:35:59] --[ indiscernible ]

[3:36:03] the development site was not feasible

[3:36:04] without the increased density and

[3:36:05] over

[3:36:06] a year later, nothing is happened

[3:36:07] except they are raising the price

[3:36:11] to $12

[3:36:13] million from $8.4 million. The plans

[3:36:17] need to be admitted back to the

[3:36:19] prior densities and uses , so the

[3:36:20] only commercial growth you will see

[3:36:22] in punta gorda will be in john's loop.

[3:36:24] [ indiscernible -background noise

[3:36:26] ]

[3:36:29] and the 75,000

[3:36:31] people per day that use that arterial.

[3:36:35] and provides a two-tier market

[3:36:38] for commercial development.

[3:36:40] that is all the developer you will see.

[3:36:44] 64 years,

[3:36:47] nothing has been built

[3:36:50] on the site.

[3:36:53] now we have a medical district with no hospital. That

[3:36:56] cop plan should be rescinded.

[3:37:00] [ applause ]

[3:37:07] >> anybody else ?

[3:37:10] we are adjourned. Thank you very much.

City Council

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