[0:00] I mean, we have about the same on both item. Let me see how on the speakers on 332, I think that we have a number of people that have to, we have a major convention in town that they are attending.

[0:17] And what I'd like to do, because we only have one speaker in opposition on that item, let's go to that item next and then come back to 330.

[0:24] So we're going to go to 3302 and we'll take the staff report, briefs, staff report. This is the proposed redevelopment of attorney, mason general, dynamic site plan, the new century center plan.

[0:36] This is a plan that has been worked on for a long time by city staff by council members to bring forward the reuse of this property so that it will be a true addition to the community.

[0:49] We appreciate the cooperation of general dynamics. I will say that from the beginning it was very important to me to have light industrial property, which we very badly need in this city as part of the plan and I do see that has been incorporated.

[1:04] Because I could not support the plan without it. We do have one speaker in opposition. So what I am going to do is have the staff report and then I'm going to go to the speaker in opposition.

[1:16] And then we'll go back to those in favor. Okay, could I have the staff report.

[1:20] Yes, Mike.

[1:22] Thank you, Mayor Golding City Council members. My name is Mike Westlake from the development service department on the project manager on the new central center project.

[1:31] The proposed new central center master development concept plan include establishing market oriented office light industrial around a central market square.

[1:40] The western approximately 85 acres of the site located along the front edge of SR163 is being redesignated from industrial and business parks general commercial and reason from M1B to CA to accommodate retail entertainment uses.

[1:53] This portion of the project will accommodate a mixture of retail entertainment and mixed commercial land use is totally 1.4 million square feet.

[2:00] The western approximately 159 acres the project site will for the most part retain its existing industrial and business park land use designation and M1B zoning.

[2:08] This component of the project is planned for a campus style industrial and business park area incorporating a compatible mix of office research and development light manufacturing and industrial uses totally just over 3 million square feet which exceeds the amount of square footage that was in the original general dynamics manufacturing plan.

[2:24] The central center project was initiated by the planning commission in December of 1995 and active in frequent public review this project has occurred ever since.

[2:32] The applicant has been meeting monthly with the crony mesa community planning group and many other interested organizations over the life of this project.

[2:38] After more than 50 meetings with the community over the last three years, the crony mesa planning group voted to approve the new central center project.

[2:44] All of the conditions recommending by the planning group have been satisfied.

[2:48] The planning commission also reviewed this project in great detail five separate planning commission meetings were held including the initiation hearing three workshops and the final planning commission hearing last month.

[2:57] On October 23rd the planning commission voted unanimously to approve the new central center project.

[3:02] In addition to the new central center project to sell the city manager has successfully negotiated a development agreement with general dynamics properties provide significant and extraordinary public benefits to the communities of crony maces sirmesa in the city as a whole.

[3:14] And I would now like to introduce Marcel Escobarac will provide you a summary of the terms and the extraordinary benefits provided through the development agreement.

[3:22] The city manager's office successfully concluded negotiations with general dynamics properties incorporated on a 15 year development agreement.

[3:30] The development agreement provides for significant and extraordinary benefit to the city of San Diego in a number of ways.

[3:40] The development agreement will be providing $500,000 towards the construction of the sirmesa library.

[3:46] It will also be providing $500,000 towards exclusive crony maces enhancement fund.

[3:52] $250,000 will be provided towards the I-15 auxiliary lane between Murphy Canyon Road and Fryer's Road.

[3:59] There is a contingency in the development agreement that if a funding source is found for the I-15 auxiliary lane through other means then that money will be split half towards the crony maces enhancement fund and half towards the sirmesa library.

[4:14] Permanent preservation of approximately 1,400 acres of the general dynamics property in the sirmware Canyon area will be preserved through this development agreement.

[4:26] Of the 1,100 acres that are on the northern portion of sirmware Canyon.

[4:33] General dynamics will be able to sell credit mitigation credits to third parties and 40% of any potential revenue that comes up in that area will be tagged towards the mission trails regional park fund.

[4:46] So what do you please explain that to me because the first time I've heard about it, I'm not real happy about this.

[4:51] What you just said, I want to hear that again.

[4:55] Could you go to the slide that has the sirmware Canyon.

[5:05] This is the sirmware Canyon site that general dynamics owns out in this area.

[5:11] Site J is approximately 1100 acres and the area with the pink portion around it is approximately 248 acres.

[5:19] The 248 acres will be dedicated to the city of San Diego upon execution of the development agreement.

[5:26] The 1100 acres which is site J will be preserved through the conservation agreement which is attachment J of the development agreement.

[5:36] They will also have the ability to get mitigation credits on site J.

[5:41] Those mitigation credits will be available to general dynamics properties incorporated to self mitigate for the impacts of the property that's located outside of the MSEP preserve right here as well as for their current Mesa site.

[5:56] It's uncertain whether or not they will get any mitigation credits above and beyond what they need to self mitigate.

[6:03] If they do get any mitigation credits above and beyond what they need to self mitigate then they will have the potential to make those available to third parties by by sale.

[6:13] If they successfully sell off any mitigation credits the city of San Diego would get 40% of that revenue.

[6:20] Was there no site more appropriate with more nexus than this something that could have been mitigated in the six districts since that's where the impact is and we know the traffic impacts going to be formidable.

[6:38] The 40% that the city would possibly get is is a potential it may be nothing and it may be a significant amount because we have not determined what number of mitigation credits are available on site J we really don't know what that 40% equates to.

[6:59] This was something that came up at the last minute after we had successfully negotiated the terms of the development agreement.

[7:06] We this was something that came in above and beyond at the last minute on the negotiations and because a lot of this area is of its proximity to mission trails regional park.

[7:19] That was something that was offered as an option to tag any potential funds that come in towards mission trip regional park and because the trails would ultimately connect that park that's why.

[7:31] It probably made sense the other thing is the with the I 15 auxiliary lane money.

[7:38] We do have the option that that might be split between the sir and mace a library as well as the crony mace enhancement fund.

[7:45] So we're hoping that that actually gets added to the crony mace enhancement fund as well as the library.

[7:53] Okay go ahead and and finish your report you're out of I want to hear a little bit more about this but I think she's finished I let a finish and then we can go back and ask any questions.

[8:03] Those are the main terms of extraordinary benefit on the development agreement and exchange for the extraordinary benefit that the city of San Diego is getting.

[8:10] It is a 15 year development agreement that will define the rules and regulations at this point in time for the development.

[8:18] It's applicable to the project land use entitlements that are defined by all the concurrent actions which are being it would be adopted today and the fees would be kept for maximum of five years on the project which is consistent with what they would be entitled to through a vesting tentative map.

[8:36] In addition to that there are significant economic development benefits that come forth from the project as proposed.

[8:46] A significant number of jobs and investment money are being brought forth into the crony mace community as well as city wide.

[8:53] Parts only 12,000 jobs are being brought into the region specifically into the crony mace area and over four million dollars in tax revenue will be generated by the proposed project.

[9:05] The project also proposes new industrial development within the area which will be an increase over the industrial development that existed when general dynamics was in full operation.

[9:18] As far as the potential retail impacts from the site there have been numerous studies done that we have Jim Davies from our economic development staff here who can answer some questions on that if you have been later.

[9:31] The consultant is also here to answer any questions but the analysis has shown that the draw on the retail market around the area will not be a significant impact to any of the surrounding centers.

[9:47] In conclusion the city manager is recommending approval of the new century center project which includes a number of discretionary actions.

[9:53] The city manager is recommending the city council take the following actions.

[9:57] Number one, certify EIR LDR number 960165 adopt the findings and statement of overriding considerations and adopt the mitigation monitoring and reprogram.

[10:06] Number two, adopt the amendment to the progress guide in general plan and crony mace a community plan and adopt the new century center master plan.

[10:13] Number three, approve the development agreement and number four, adopt the remaining discretionary actions associated with this project including a rezoned fest intent of map plan commercial development permit planned industrial development permit resource protection ordinance permit and the new century center development standards and design manual and that concludes the staff report.

[10:31] Thank you. We'll go to council for questions of staff first.

[10:38] Miss McCarty.

[10:45] Okay, keep your number there. These are questions of staff then we'll go to public comment on this.

[10:52] I have questions.

[10:54] Okay. I guess to myself on the extraordinary benefits public benefits.

[11:00] Can you we've got $500,000 going to serve mace a library construction by put $1,000 to the special enhancements.

[11:07] Is that the sicker more canyon?

[11:09] No.

[11:10] Okay. What are the special enhancements?

[11:12] That is just a pool of money that can be used by the crony mace community to pull it with other money for projects in the crony mace area.

[11:21] Or that'll be used in the local area.

[11:23] Correct.

[11:24] And it'll be designated by the community planning group, the community association.

[11:28] In conjunction with the council office.

[11:30] Okay.

[11:31] And I guess at $500,000 level we'll be looking at some of that again here at the city council.

[11:37] It could be broken up.

[11:39] It's not identified for any one source except for the fact that it's specifically can only be used in the crony mace area.

[11:46] The story behind that is that we've asked this developer to work with the crony mace at planning group.

[11:52] And I believe there are people here from that planning group.

[11:55] And one of the concerns we have in crony mace is that it needs a lot of attention and there are very few thoughts of money that it qualifies for.

[12:03] So the community has met with with the group here to ask that they be their considerations coming to the front of the table.

[12:11] So we'll probably see a combination of needs both from the commercial and from the residential that will come forward.

[12:17] They don't qualify for cdbg dollars.

[12:20] That area they don't qualify for.

[12:22] Yeah.

[12:23] I strongly support this kind of thing.

[12:24] I think that the local residents and business owners are probably the best to say who, you know, where these amenities should go and what they should be.

[12:31] The $250,000 for i15 relief now that you said there's contingency of that.

[12:37] It's funded some other way than they're not eligible if they don't have to pay to $250.

[12:42] No, actually that that's how the development agreement originally was negotiated that if we didn't need that money for i15 we would have lost that money.

[12:49] What happened in some later negotiations was if we're able to find the $250,000 for i15 that last $250,000 through some other source.

[13:00] Or if it's determined that that auxiliary lane is not needed we will not lose that money that money will then be split.

[13:06] Between the ceramace library and the crony mace enhancement fund.

[13:10] Well they're committed to the $250,000.

[13:12] Exactly.

[13:13] The ultimate disposition of it.

[13:15] Then on the sick more canyon side again.

[13:19] Is this, you know.

[13:24] What?

[13:26] Is it mitigation?

[13:27] Is it, you know, open space funding?

[13:29] What's, what is going on here?

[13:31] When we got to get it, there was another page that I think talked about some.

[13:35] Find anything.

[13:38] Would we look at that?

[13:39] Yeah.

[13:40] The reason that this property came into the negotiations on the development agreement.

[13:44] When we enter negotiations on a development agreement, we try and find something that would be of high benefit to the city of San Diego and low cost to the developer.

[13:52] In this case because they own that property, they certainly have value associated with this property.

[13:58] But it's, it has a tremendous benefit to us because it enhances the value of the MSEP preserve and it brings us further towards the MSEP preserve goals.

[14:12] Because they already own this property and they have some existing uses out there and it was already identified within the MSEP preserve that it would be at some point in time subject to some future negotiations included in the preserve.

[14:25] We thought that it would be of great value to include this in the extraordinary benefits.

[14:29] The smaller portion of the property, the smaller portion of the property in the, and Tom Sorkanians or some more of the details, had 25% potential development rights.

[14:42] So there was a possibility that that property could be impacted at some future date and time.

[14:48] What we did was we have ensured that the smaller portion of the property, which we'll get to in just one second is now permanently.

[14:54] And permanently and being preserved.

[14:57] And those 248 acres are being.

[15:00] Donated to the city of San Diego if the development agreement is approved and executed.

[15:05] The 1100 acres did not have development potential except for the existing uses, but it did have mitigation credit potential.

[15:14] Again, that had not been identified as to whether it was going to be one mitigation credit or all 1100 acres.

[15:21] What we've done through the conservation agreement, which is attached to the development agreement,

[15:26] is ensured the permanent preservation of the property.

[15:30] So the value to the city of San Diego is that we know at this time, as opposed to the subpoint in the future,

[15:36] that it will be permanently preserved.

[15:39] The issue, who would ownership that 1100 acres be in?

[15:45] Currently, it will stay in the ownership of general dynamics or successors and interests,

[15:50] at the time that mitigation credits are sold.

[15:54] We will be negotiating a conservation bank agreement or mitigation bank agreement,

[15:59] pursuant to the terms of this conservation agreement.

[16:02] And in that agreement, we'll come back and present to the council,

[16:06] particular terms about any mitigation bank that's established here.

[16:10] So that the owners will do the maintenance or if anything comes up on.

[16:14] On the interim, for the period of time, that will be the owner's responsibility.

[16:20] Until it's such time as the mitigation went out to some other owner, right?

[16:25] That's correct.

[16:28] Okay.

[16:29] If you know other questions of the council of the staff.

[16:33] Okay.

[16:34] Follow up on that.

[16:35] The ownership remains with general dynamics.

[16:39] The current period on both parcels.

[16:42] No, just on the smaller parcel.

[16:45] The smaller parcel, the 240 acre parcel will be dedicated to the city.

[16:49] Right.

[16:50] And so it's the larger parcel of the larger partial bank of mitigation credits.

[16:54] That's the one that potentially could come back into city ownership.

[16:57] But in the interim, it remains with general dynamics.

[16:59] That's correct.

[17:00] Yeah.

[17:01] Thank you.

[17:02] Thank you.

[17:03] Let's go to the speakers.

[17:04] In favor, we'll start with.

[17:06] We have Steve.

[17:07] I'm Gordon Carrier.

[17:11] Followed by Glenn Bass and Ed Bacani.

[17:14] Thank you.

[17:16] Deputy Mayor Warden.

[17:17] Members of the council.

[17:18] Good morning.

[17:19] My name is Steve Imer.

[17:20] My address is 8787 complex drive in San Diego.

[17:25] Our presentation.

[17:26] The organized portion of it will take a maximum of about 12 minutes.

[17:31] I will cut that as brief as we can in the interest of time.

[17:34] We appreciate being moved up on the agenda.

[17:36] Thank you.

[17:37] I'm very pleased to be able to to bring before you today.

[17:40] Our plans for the redevelopment of general dynamics.

[17:43] Property and Kerney Mason.

[17:45] As you know, this 244-acre site located in the geographic heart of San Diego region was once an important hub for aerospace research and manufacturing.

[17:57] The nationwide changes that shook that industry to its foundations in the early 1990s forced us to look to the future, not to the past, or a new formula for redeveloping this site.

[18:12] So that it could once again become a productive part of the socioeconomic fabric of Kerney Mason and San Diego's future.

[18:22] Our first and ultimately most important step was to enter into a cooperative planning and public review process with you.

[18:32] Through adhering to the process outlined in a memorandum of understanding, approved by you in July of 1995,

[18:40] we bring this proposed project forward today for your consideration with virtually unanimous support.

[18:48] During the past two years, since that MOU was approved, we've been very busy indeed.

[18:54] We have actively participated in over 50 community group meetings, which have focused on virtually every aspect of the planning program.

[19:03] On a regular basis, we've conducted dozens of outreach sessions with other members of the Kerney Mason community as well as surrounding communities, including surrounding property owners, small business owners, and interested individuals.

[19:21] Also, we've been engaged in a constant dialogue with city staff in defining issues and refining our plans.

[19:30] And finally, we participated in three planning commission workshops on the project plus the final hearing.

[19:38] The primary results of this very innovative public private process are twofold.

[19:46] First, the plan and program have been improved and the redevelopment scheme we believe will work better.

[19:54] Secondly, this cooperative joint process, although frustrating at times, has allowed us to bring this project forward to you with nearly universal support.

[20:07] The Kerney Mason planning group strongly endorsed the project on a 10-to-2 vote.

[20:13] The city manager's strong recommendation for approval is before you, and the planning commission unanimously recommends approval of the project.

[20:24] In addition to carefully following a public private planning process, we have also retained or remained true to the redevelopment objectives established.

[20:36] jointly with you at the outset of this process.

[20:40] Primary among those objectives were one, the recreation of high-paying quality jobs at the site.

[20:48] And two, the regeneration of tax revenues to the city of San Diego.

[20:54] As you know, no one currently works at the site where a demolition of the old and outmoded structures is all but complete.

[21:04] Current annual tax revenue to the city of San Diego as approximately $100,000.

[21:12] However, on the new job front, I would like to summarize what new century center will achieve.

[21:18] Obviously during construction, there will be many jobs created over the eight to twelve year period of project development.

[21:30] With regard to permanent jobs, with the buildout of new century center, there will be approximately 12,000 employees working on site.

[21:40] Because the majority of the square footage of the project will be targeted for use by high-technology companies, we would expect that the jobs will be relatively high-paying and focused on the growth industries in the city's future.

[21:56] In addition, our analysts estimate that the activity on site at new century center will create opportunities for approximately 7,000 additional jobs in this rounding area.

[22:12] Very importantly, on the tax revenue front, it is estimated that new century center will generate an annual tax revenue to the city,

[22:24] approximately $4.2 million, against $100,000 today.

[22:31] This revenue estimated in 1997, the dollars will come from a combination of property tax sales tax and transaction occupancy taxes.

[22:43] I think it is very important to highlight that these jobs and tax benefits will accrue without the need for investing any public money.

[22:53] The plan and program for the project have been very carefully structured, so that it's implementation in contrast to many other defense conversion projects can be done and will be done with private funding only.

[23:14] In addition, the staff is, I think, carefully outlined to you the many significant benefits which will accrue to the city due to our entering into a development agreement with you.

[23:26] We are prepared to, I've asked Gordon Carrier, our planner and architect, to be able to walk you through some of the highlights of the plan and program.

[23:37] His presentation will take about 8 to 10 minutes.

[23:41] However, in the interest of time and public here for the next item, I would abide by your wishes as to whether or not you would like that presentation.

[23:51] Can you shorten that Gordon please?

[23:55] Thank you.

[24:00] Thank you.

[24:10] I want to talk a little bit about the issues of opportunity that this site creates.

[24:15] The site is one that allows us to view a catalytic development of a clear area, which is a positive thing for that community.

[24:28] And certainly we've heard that from the community group as well.

[24:32] It's also aimed at the future workplace need, which I think is even more inherent in the planning that we're looking at.

[24:39] And as a catalyst can allow us the first real defense or the first opportunity to convert a defense site without use of public subsidy in any way.

[24:49] It's a very positive opportunity from that perspective.

[24:53] What I wanted to do and brevity was take you through some of the highlights of it.

[24:58] One of the things that we've experienced in our practice working with a variety of Fortune 500 companies is there's a very tangible change in the way companies are viewing their business climate.

[25:07] That is to say that they're looking for new destination facilities, they're looking for co-location of different elements of their facility on one site.

[25:16] A very difficult to do in many of the areas we have unless you have a mixed use setting on which to draw.

[25:21] So this site has some unique qualities in that regard.

[25:24] And in fact, is the most unique property and perhaps most unique opportunity we have is a San Diego environment to provide those kinds of uses for future technology users.

[25:35] I want to start with Market Square, which is on the slide here before us.

[25:38] Market Square, we've captured with the term the heart and one of the reasons for that is that happens to be in the center of the site.

[25:45] But more importantly, it's really the pulse of the site. It's the catalytic area where all the other uses come together.

[25:51] It's where the differing parts of all the plan united any given part.

[25:55] It's exterior in nature, it's a gathering place.

[25:58] More importantly, it's a place of memory.

[26:00] It's something that is memorable to you when you're there and something memorable to the community as a contribution.

[26:06] It really combines the issues of urban edge, which is here with open space.

[26:10] And you can see how in that slide that that can be achieved. Next slide, please.

[26:16] The next area is the entertainment venue.

[26:18] And this is captured by the term a destination because that's what it is.

[26:22] It's something that will attract people both inward and outward from the site.

[26:26] It's an extended hour venue. It's a business and social serving venue is high energy in its nature.

[26:33] And it's also a marquee for the community.

[26:35] It's something that community can look to recognize and know as a place of their own.

[26:39] Excuse me.

[26:44] Excuse me.

[26:48] Likewise, the, well, likewise, the project is filled with other elements such as community edge.

[26:56] The idea of creating an edge for the community that is a symbol to the community and interface of the landscaping elements with adjacent properties.

[27:05] That allows you to continue the idea of edge to the properties on either side of this particular area while creating an entry feature for the property in project as a whole.

[27:16] Next slide, please.

[27:19] Advanced technology, we call this the environment because, after all, this project is all about creating an environment for business.

[27:26] It's creating a place for future business to house themselves.

[27:30] In that context, what we're trying to do through this plan is create a simple, consistent site sequence that is to say that each individual firm can have an individual identity.

[27:41] But more importantly, they have the ability to fit within the whole of a complex that has a amenity services adjacent to it.

[27:48] The co-location of corporate requirements can occur here, such as headquarters, the accessibility for shipping communications,

[27:56] parking all the needs that a given community has, as well as the amenity enhancements, which are required of a community to know that their workforce has a place to go at lunch for simple things like that, or a place to get the things they can't get done in the course of the day.

[28:11] It has a headquarters facility capable environment, and I think that's probably the chief issue related to this property, please.

[28:21] But there's probably a more significant part to this whole project that I want to allude to, and that has, it's a little bit about a simple irony.

[28:31] We're living in a community now where the computer chip is made things faster, the speed of productivity is faster, the efficiencies are greater, we're feeling more pressure than we've ever felt before.

[28:42] We're now using work shifts, which is an old idea, in lieu of additional space in many cases, so that we are multiplying the use of a particular property.

[28:52] There's been a shift in the workplace attitude. We're now dealing with global time, not national time. We're no longer San Diego, we're the world.

[29:00] If it's 11 o'clock here, it's 2 a.m. in Seoul, Korea, tomorrow, which means they still may be our competitor, but nonetheless we're on a worldwide clock.

[29:10] We need to appreciate that our businesses have to work in that sort of area.

[29:14] The real irony is that, I'm sorry.

[29:16] I said, actually, the time is 1 minute until you're finished.

[29:19] Okay, that's good. That's great. The irony is 1 minute until I'm finished, okay.

[29:24] The biggest issue there, and that's the local time.

[29:29] That's right, that's right. That's the AM here.

[29:32] Shoot, I knew that. There's really been no apparent reduction in our work day, and this property then allows us one very unique opportunity.

[29:41] We have one owner. We have 243 acres under one ownership that has the opportunity to be planned as a community serving all the amenity needs, both of the workplace and the off our need of the environment that it's housed within it.

[29:56] It's simple. It's a comprehensive plan, but it's interactive.

[30:00] And we can all be proud of, and we'll certainly set a new trend for the business working environment.

[30:09] Thank you, Mr. Carrier. Our red lights aren't working, so actually, we do need to do a final comment and a streamer.

[30:16] Just that our entire team is here, and would be happy to be here.

[30:20] I know that the entire front row is full with suits, so.

[30:24] I thought we'd go, we'll finish the speakers. I'd like to hear from Glenn Bess from the Kernemase of Planning Group, if we may, and also Ed Pekani from the Asian Business Association.

[30:33] And then we have a speaker and opposition, and then we'll go to Council and they will ask questions of you, who are all sitting in the front.

[30:40] Good morning, Deputy Mayor of our warden and City Council.

[30:44] My name is Glenn Bess. I work at Nutrus Week, Kelco.

[30:48] At 83-55, Arrow Drive and Kernemase of.

[30:52] I am the chair of the Kernemase of Community Planning Group, and I'm speaking on behalf of the Planning Group this morning.

[31:00] As Mike said, we have been working on this project since mid-1995.

[31:05] When that project first came before us, they were parts to it that we liked very much, and there were parts that concerned us.

[31:14] But we worked with the applicant for two and a half years, and yes, Steve, it was frustrating at times.

[31:22] Two meetings twice a month.

[31:26] The applicant, as a result of that discussion, has significantly changed the project.

[31:34] But we also significantly changed our opinion on the project.

[31:40] As detailed in my two letters to you, we are now supporting the project.

[31:47] There are some features about the project we particularly like, and that is the 12,000 jobs that it will bring to our community.

[31:57] Particularly the 9,000 high-tech high-paying jobs, because those type of jobs are what support, Kerney Mason.

[32:07] And we have been too long without those kind of jobs in this parcel of land.

[32:13] Number two, we have always been particularly supportive of the entertainment portion of this project.

[32:21] Too many of our businesses are telling us that if five o'clock on a workday, you can roll up the sidewalks in Kerney Mason, because everybody's gone home.

[32:32] And we hope that this will keep people in Kerney Mason and rejuvenate our present community.

[32:42] However, from the very beginning we have had concern about the amount of retail.

[32:49] There was a large amount of retail initially proposed.

[32:52] The applicant heard our concern, and has made significant reductions in the amount of retail.

[32:59] We also understand that we've had to adjust our position in the amount of retail that we can support, because we understand that this entertainment retail center needs a certain amount of critical mass to function.

[33:14] So we hope that this center will, at worst, have just a negative of our no effect on our retail.

[33:25] Or at best, it might enhance the retail that we currently have.

[33:30] Mr. Bass, thank you. Your the lights are off, but your time.

[33:33] I'm sorry. Thank you for coming. Thank you.

[33:35] Are you here?

[33:37] I asked Mr. Bass a question.

[33:39] Mr. Bass, just on the amount of retail, I'm a little more concerned on the amount of industrial that the planning group have any response on that.

[33:53] I've never had any concerns about the amount of industrial.

[33:56] So you're satisfied with the waste.

[33:57] Absolutely. There were only concerns that we were giving up some of that industrial for retail.

[34:05] I see, but the way it's configured now is what you're supporting.

[34:10] Okay.

[34:11] Mr. Bass, I just wanted to ask about your concerns about traffic.

[34:15] My concerns about traffic are very simple.

[34:19] I don't think the planning group ever really understood the traffic studies.

[34:25] I myself got a degree in chemistry, and I, if that degree, I had to master quantum mechanics.

[34:32] Quantum mechanics was simple compared to mastering a traffic study.

[34:37] I do read a letter from CalTrans and says, we will have a four mile long queue at one of the on ramps from this project.

[34:46] That concerns me.

[34:48] The applicant says that's not going to happen.

[34:50] City staff says that's not going to happen.

[34:52] My message to you, the city, is to make sure that their traffic effects are mitigated.

[34:58] Would staff please comment on that, the discrepancy between what CalTrans is saying and what we're saying.

[35:05] Because I'm very concerned about the traffic impact.

[35:12] CalTrans in a comment back on the draft environmental impact report,

[35:17] had reversed a position that had taken previously regarding ramp metering rates.

[35:22] As a result of that, they began to show an unrealistic queue and what staff did as a result of that with the final environmental document.

[35:32] It was to put some additional conditions on, in particular, the ramp at just at the south end of the property to include a provision that if we begin having long queue rates,

[35:45] that they would include provision for HIV bypass lanes on to the freeway.

[35:51] Does that help a bit?

[35:56] Well, I guess that traffic is very difficult to understand.

[35:59] The truth will be when the project is filled up with people and then we'll see what happens.

[36:05] If they all stay over to watch a movie after work, that's right.

[36:10] That's right.

[36:11] Because then they stay out of that queue.

[36:14] But actually, the movies created, you know, the 20 in Mission Valley, when that lets out or when it's, you know, they do stagger them,

[36:24] but, you know, 7 o'clock on a Friday night, the traffic coming east on 8 to exit at that ramp is so busy you can't get into the freeway anymore.

[36:35] Yeah, so the movies don't really relieve it.

[36:38] I think they just create traffic jams at different times.

[36:42] I don't know, you're the traffic engineer.

[36:44] Well, to the certain, that's true that you'll see some queueing going on as, as entertainment facilities are letting out,

[36:51] but to some extent it doesn't help spread that queue, so it doesn't all hit at one time.

[36:55] What ramp is at the south end of the property?

[36:58] I don't, I'm looking at the map here, I don't.

[37:02] Leave it to the Kernie via ramp.

[37:05] It's safe.

[37:07] Yeah.

[37:08] Under 163.

[37:11] Mr. McCawney, I thank you, Mr. Bass, I think those are the questions at the moment.

[37:19] Mr. McCawney.

[37:24] Good morning.

[37:26] Ed McCawney, I'm a CPA, and I'm a CCDC board member, and I represent the Asian business association.

[37:36] I personally, and on behalf of the ABA, and to drastically endorse this project.

[37:45] On a general overview, I agree with the mayor that he will strengthen the economic base of the community,

[37:52] without much financial negative impact.

[37:56] In particular, the carnivate of community would welcome this to replenish some of those lost,

[38:02] IPA and middle income jobs that were the victims of the decrease in defense contracting.

[38:13] Coming from a financial and a development background, the $4 million revenue is very fascinating.

[38:23] In the sense that not only can be a current source of funding, but some part of it would be used for a vulnerable development project.

[38:36] The potential retail impact is very real.

[38:40] You probably very well know in that community.

[38:44] The Asian's have a lot of food stores and restaurants.

[38:48] It's put complement the entire economic base.

[38:53] Thank you for your participation.

[38:55] Thank you, Ed.

[38:56] Have a speaker and opposition.

[38:58] Michael Konger.

[39:02] Thank you.

[39:06] I'm sorry, I do not need to speak.

[39:09] I'm sorry, we have Carlos.

[39:12] I thought you didn't need to speak.

[39:14] Mark Reedie.

[39:15] Carlos.

[39:20] Thank you.

[39:21] Welcome to the City Council.

[39:22] I'm Mark Reedie.

[39:23] I'm the Ernest Han Professor of Real Estate Effects at the University of San Diego.

[39:29] I'm here today to support the approval of the Century Center.

[39:32] The planned redevelopment of the General of the NEMIC Sites was a bullseye in addressing San Diego's economic development needs as the first great city of the 21st century.

[39:41] Most of our city's old engines.

[39:43] The new engines that will drive economic growth, well in the 21st century.

[39:49] on defense high technology, telecommunications, biomed, tourism, international trade and business

[39:54] and professional services, truly are rubbing up.

[39:57] At the same time, new business and corporations have been in the 3 to 4,000 range in

[40:02] San Diego and recent years.

[40:05] These newly incorporated businesses add to the 50,000 small businesses already in existence.

[40:10] They add depth and resilience for economic base and improve greatly San Diego's ability

[40:15] to withstand exogenous economic shocks, such as a national economic recession.

[40:21] Moreover, when employers from elsewhere in the state and the nation and from other countries

[40:25] are considering their relocation options, they tend to prefer to move to areas where they

[40:30] feel at home among similar sizes and types of corporations.

[40:34] New Century Center offers such a home.

[40:37] New Century Center includes a core of approximately 2 to 2.5 million square feet of space

[40:43] or research and development, light manufacturing and business and professional services.

[40:48] All of these are synchronous with the city's new engines of economic growth as outlined

[40:52] in-year economic development strategy statement, charting a new course for the 21st century.

[40:58] Further, New Century Center appeals directly to the mid-size and smaller businesses

[41:02] that are the future backbone of the state and the Ego region economy.

[41:06] In this vein, the redevelopment of the genomic site also is in sync with one of the major themes

[41:12] of the mayor's Renaissance Commission stronger support for the city's small businesses.

[41:17] San Diego faces intense competition from other major American and foreign cities in attracting

[41:23] and retaining the types of high-tech, knowledge-based, high-wage jobs and businesses that comprise the core of New Century Center.

[41:31] These jobs and businesses need to be nurtured and supported, who assured that they come here in the first place

[41:37] that they flourish and that they find it economically viable to stay here once they arrive and or grow.

[41:43] In my judgment, New Century Center demonstrates exceptional foresight in terms of its layout and development plan.

[41:50] It greatly strengthened the San Diego's ability to attract and retain the desirable types of jobs and businesses

[41:56] that have been identified both in the report of the Renaissance Commission and in your recently published economic development strategy.

[42:03] Thank you very much.

[42:04] Thank you very much.

[42:08] Thank you very much, Mr. Ready.

[42:10] There's one right in an opposition's.

[42:12] You have been Michael Conquer.

[42:17] Thank you, Mayor Golden. My name is Michael Conquer. I'm at 1450 Front Street here in San Diego.

[42:22] The primary objective of why I came this morning was to ask that there be a continuance of the approval of this until the next council meeting.

[42:31] In order that I can have enough time to bring to you a client set of represent, Brian Monhand and I represent.

[42:38] In a case against an autonomic.

[42:40] These are long-time formant employees of the company and there are hundreds of others like them in this town that had been betrayed by this committee before.

[42:48] And I realize that we're up for a plan of somebody wanting to develop property, but the key issue, Mayor, is that this is a company that in San Diego has repeatedly repeatedly broken promises.

[43:00] And this decade, the people that were loyal to it, people that supported it, people that gave their lives for it.

[43:07] And they're coming to this council asking that you, again, take its word on things I've heard things like we hope that they'll do this and we hope that they'll do that.

[43:17] I can tell you that from experience I've been in litigation with this company for five years, in many cases, that when you hope the hopes are not going to come true.

[43:29] My primary objective is to ask you to continue this.

[43:32] Brian Monhand sent a letter to all the council members last week, November 13th.

[43:36] And we advised yesterday that this was coming up today.

[43:39] And I apologize for that, that's our fault.

[43:41] We're not knowing that.

[43:42] I just have to make common here.

[43:44] We've been talking about, we've been working with it on this for over two years.

[43:48] It's had total coverage in the local newspapers as to what the plans were.

[43:52] It's been really no surprise.

[43:54] The council is in council and we're stallings district, but she and I've worked on it together because we do share Korean mace.

[44:00] And I don't believe I've ever heard from you until this letter today.

[44:03] I take exception to your asking for it.

[44:05] Continuous today.

[44:06] I think the time, I mean, I think there has plenty of time been plenty of time for you to come forward on this.

[44:11] Deputy Mayor, I do apologize for that, but I think the greater issue and the more thing that's more important is that a correct decision is made.

[44:18] You're about to enter into a 15 year agreement with the company.

[44:22] But I have been proven to have defrauded.

[44:24] My question is, where have you been for two years?

[44:27] I've been working against general dynamics in court.

[44:30] Is where I've been.

[44:31] And we have been working here with them on this plan for two years.

[44:34] I wonder why we haven't seen you before.

[44:37] That's my fault.

[44:39] And I take full responsibility for that.

[44:41] Okay.

[44:42] And I don't have an excuse, and I'm not going to try to explain other things.

[44:46] I think the more important thing is I stand here.

[44:49] I can tell you for a fact.

[44:51] But in the history of the city of San Diego, county of San Diego, the largest punitive damage.

[44:56] I don't know if he's trying to, to try his case.

[45:00] I think that's a matter for the court. I don't know why you didn't come forward at the beginning of this meeting, and ask for opinions. That's your intention because that's the process here.

[45:12] Yes, for opinions up front.

[45:14] I understood that to be for consent. I'm not trying to try my case, but I'm trying to do is to point out to the council that the applicant, the project may be a wonderful project.

[45:29] But the applicant is standing behind the commitments, is an applicant who has lied to the people in this town, have lied to voters, have lied to constituents.

[45:41] I think that's a matter before the court, myself, not for judges.

[45:45] I also take exception that it coming at this particular point in time after all the work that we've done.

[45:52] It is your responsibility and you blew it, and I'm sorry, I can't support it. Continuance as much as I respect Mr. Monahan.

[46:02] All right. Thank you, sir. I think my assumption is that the reason you're doing this and bringing us our attention is that you're concerned that we regard any agreement that we make with general dynamics carefully, and that we make sure that we are not depending on

[46:18] other things other than a contractual agreement to support whatever their agreements are.

[46:23] That's, and that's your purpose of coming forward today.

[46:26] And without question, I'm very biased, but there's a reason for that.

[46:30] And I just cautioned the council to please make sure that the commitments are ironclad.

[46:35] All right. I appreciate that, sir.

[46:38] That is the last speaker. I don't think that obviously this council is not a party to that lawsuit, but I think the,

[46:47] we do, we have had, we've had other experiences with development agreements in the past that had nothing to do with general dynamics where we have had problems.

[46:56] And we should make sure that this agreement, which appears to me to be a good agreement, and a good land use plan for the area.

[47:03] And I think it's been worked on very carefully with concerns of council members and the mayor being taken into account as to how this piece of property should develop.

[47:13] They do have a right to reasonable development of their property, but they have been very cooperative with this council.

[47:19] But I would like staff response to the concern that is raised.

[47:25] What is what is what is clearly part of the contractual agreement and what is it that you're hoping and what is the difference between the two.

[47:34] We are very confident that through the development agreement as well as all the discretionary approvals that

[47:41] are being brought forth to the city council today, that we have the ability, if we find that general dynamics properties incorporated is in breach of any of these documents that we have the ability to come before the council again and identify any corrective measures that are necessary.

[47:59] But the main hammer is the development agreement and we're very confident that we have assurances contractual assurances through the development agreement that ensure that these obligations will be fulfilled.

[48:11] And the council still retains permit authority and that is where we are able to make sure that agreements are met because permits don't have to be issued unless the agreements are met.

[48:24] And so I think that we have an ability to make sure that this land use plan which I think is a good land use plan is maintained and that it proceeds in the desired manner.

[48:37] Any further comment are these on this, Ms. McCarty? Go ahead.

[48:44] Thank you very much, Lynn times time for emotional deferred to council member for the district. I just wanted to comment on the discussion we had on mission trails regional park of the goals since this was on the eastern far eastern edge of the city is to expand the boundaries of the park and this takes us a very long way.

[49:06] We hope some day that Barbara and I can each on the other end from our homes get on a horse and meet each other halfway.

[49:16] That is the goal to expand the open space not just through MSCP by through the mission trails regional park.

[49:30] And of course as this city becomes more urbanized they have these chances for the public to enter a park and do have recreational opportunities is just extremely important.

[49:44] I think to the quality of life of each of us so for recreation I think this is a very important I'd like to thank General Dynamics for that.

[49:54] Also for the help along the I-15 that auxiliary lane I know from speaking to CalTrans people over the weekend that they are working on some design to try to figure out that problem between arrow drive and I-8.

[50:14] It's a horrible problem and so we appreciate the help along there. Beyond that I want to comment that I do appreciate the willingness of General Dynamics finally to work with the community to come up with a program that we can accept.

[50:32] I've been a no vote for a long time and when we finally came down to the last draw I'm just very pleased to see that you have put forward a program with industrial use which we wanted and and the entertainment and the retail of course missile park.

[50:52] So when the motion is made I will be very happy to support it and thank you very much for all of your efforts.

[50:59] Thank you, Miss McCarty. Miss Warden followed them is key. I like if I might defer my.

[51:05] Let me see how the motion.

[51:07] I'd wipe out the lights but I was up there before.

[51:11] Go ahead and appreciate it.

[51:13] I want to take who is that.

[51:16] This is a clerk.

[51:18] Okay.

[51:21] Not that that that's not the amount of money.

[51:24] I would like to take this opportunity to thank General Dynamics and the people that we've been working with.

[51:34] Originally I would have never thought we'd gotten to this day from the first day they walked in my office.

[51:40] We have come a long way.

[51:42] This was a group of people who hadn't really known how important it was to work with the community.

[51:49] And we stressed that without that it wasn't going to happen the project was not going to happen.

[51:55] And and admittedly kicking and screaming they went to their first meeting.

[52:00] Scared to death of what the community was going to do to them.

[52:03] And in fact it came to be a very positive meeting and they came away with a whole different idea and from that point to this.

[52:12] Have worked ever more forward with the community with the needs for all of us in San Diego to make this be a really wonderful project.

[52:22] I have had concerns as they know regarding the rezoning of industrial land and retail entertainment.

[52:30] And with the many meetings we've had with General Dynamics they've agreed to number of revisions and I think those it would be reasonable to mention some of those so that people understand.

[52:40] Kind of where they've come where they've come to.

[52:43] And in addition missile park is left as open space and that was the first thing is everybody will remember.

[52:49] The the assets in the main have been sold off by by the association.

[52:55] But the space is there open as passive park and it will be there and it's incorporated in the plan of development.

[53:01] So I see that as our first real big success.

[53:05] And working with General Dynamics I think they recognize that that was a very important piece for the community.

[53:12] When compared with originally submitted project General Dynamics has agreed to an approximately 30% reduction.

[53:21] 30% reduction in the total amount of retail and entertainment.

[53:27] And commercial uses that leaves that much more for developing of industrial kinds of.

[53:36] Space which will bring in the kind of jobs the salaries that we're looking for and their people out there looking and I might say two general dynamics at this point.

[53:45] I think it's very important that you're marketing people work with the EDC and Julie Meyer Wright on going forward because this is an incredibly.

[53:56] Under especially under the new leadership of is right incredibly dynamic aggressive group looking for the kinds of of jobs and businesses to come to San Diego.

[54:08] So I I urge you to work with them.

[54:11] General Dynamics has decreased the total retail entertainment and commercial acreage from 120 acres to 85.

[54:20] That's that's great and the square footage from over two million to one point one point four million square feet.

[54:29] Now if this master plan for new century center is followed and does all the things planning to do like market square when you look at the pictures.

[54:36] I think I'm going to go out there with the pictures afterwards and say does this look like what you showed me or if you if you want to improve on it.

[54:45] Fine don't give me less because I'm going to go out there and and want to see it.

[54:51] I think the whole idea of it being the marketplace is very exciting and it will give those people that are working there something something special.

[55:00] I don't want what I don't want to see is.

[55:05] Changes like we have from the plans that were in the 80's and the 80's people are now came back and in the 90's say oh we can't do that and everything gets changed.

[55:15] This is the plan we've agreed to and this is what I want to see going forward.

[55:19] I think if anybody's been at the mall lately as I have as probably most of it you realize that shopping centers are the town centers these days like it or not that's what's happening.

[55:32] I was in mission valley on the weekend and it's the place where people hang out and visit.

[55:38] It's just incredible and I see that this is going to be creating a town center probably for crony mesa.

[55:45] So I thank everybody involved.

[55:47] I especially thank one best and the crony mesa community planning group and all the community people who have been involved in making this be a better project.

[55:56] I appreciated their input and I make a motion that we accept the managers recommendation all the different sub items with the changes that we have made even at the last minute.

[56:09] I understand Marcelo there's an even more up the date something that.

[56:14] Somehow we managed to get.

[56:17] Yes that's the nature of development agreements as extraordinary benefits sometimes start ballooning up at the end and one of the things I want to mention is.

[56:25] As you know for adopting a development agreement you are required to obtain extraordinary benefits or that's an option that the city of San Diego has.

[56:34] And in addition to all of the extraordinary benefits that are enumerated in the development agreement that is before you today.

[56:41] The 40% revenue split which was not originally listed as extraordinary benefit which is happening and and again this is a potential.

[56:51] What has happened is a result of some of the concerns that were just identified a few minutes ago.

[56:59] Is I'd like to amend the conservation agreement that is before you today and I during the second reading I'll provide you in a radish sheet to that.

[57:07] But instead of a 40% potential revenue split the city of San Diego will receive 50% of any potential mitigation credits that come out of the 1100 acres in sick and more canyon.

[57:21] The the way that that 50% will be in an exchange for that 50% the city of San Diego agrees to do everything negotiating good faith efforts and assist general dynamics properties incorporated.

[57:36] In any way possible with the resource agencies to maximize the number of mitigation credits that are available within those 1100 acres that 50% will be.

[57:47] The proceeds of that 50% will go 40% into the mission trails regional park foundation is identified in the conservation agreement.

[57:55] And 10% will go toward the crony mason enhancement fund and it will be added to that trust fund that is set up if any money does come in from that.

[58:05] And as you identified there are other significant extraordinary benefits which were not outlined such as the preservation of missile park that are being ensured through the development agreements.

[58:14] And then Mr. West Lake also wanted to mention there was a couple of modifications that we had made to the conditions.

[58:21] Yes, I'll second the motion while we're in the middle of it.

[58:28] There is that what was in a retachy that was handed out prior to the hearing that I think you all have in your hand there's some very minor changes the conditions and the PID and the repo permit and the PR and the PCD.

[58:39] All of those affected have looked at the retachy and everyone is an agreement is one of the read that into the record.

[58:45] Thank you. Miss Keeho.

[58:47] Oh me.

[58:48] Oh.

[58:49] I'm sorry about that. I thought you're seconded.

[58:51] Don't you give my time to Valor. I let her go ahead.

[58:53] Okay. I thought your second was your brief comment.

[58:56] Oh no, no.

[58:58] I was hoping.

[58:59] Go ahead. I was worried.

[59:00] I could actually just did everything Miss Darling said but I don't want to get let you get away with that short of the talk.

[59:06] Actually it's in Valor's district as you know and I know from the beginning I've been kind of a pain in the neck about this project.

[59:11] But I thought I should help Valor. He with it. I'm not sure that in the beginning there were some concerns amongst the people in the front row.

[59:17] But we have put together.

[59:20] I think between the people in the front row and Glenbests who's here in his group of Cerny Mesa planning group.

[59:26] Really a package that I think looks very very good for the city and I'm very proud that we've come here today.

[59:33] And I see Mr. Carrier in the front row and and Gordon I charge you with doing this project or you're working this as fine as the last one that I looked at with you.

[59:40] So I will be there to help you with that too. You'll be glad to know.

[59:44] But I'm very pleased the second emotion today.

[59:47] I do think staff all the work they've done on this and I and it's been a long long process.

[59:52] I didn't mean to be rude to the gentleman who came here the attorney.

[59:55] But when you're working every two years on a project and you start from around zero you get to.

[1:00:00] The point of completion, it's very discouraging, have someone come forward and ask that we continue

[1:00:05] a project that we work so hard on. So my thanks to those of you in the room who worked on it, staff,

[1:00:10] but the group in the front row and the community, I think that we, as a city, have benefited from

[1:00:17] what we will have here today and we're looking forward to the project as it comes online.

[1:00:22] Thank you, Ms. Ward. Ms. Keyhill. Thank you, Your Honor. Just a couple of questions for staff.

[1:00:28] On the, how much of the proposed development is industrial versus commercial and retail?

[1:00:37] There's essentially two separate subaries of commercial and industrial, the western about 85 acres

[1:00:43] is retail, commercial, retail entertainment, commercial, and that'll total about 1.4 million square feet

[1:00:49] in the eastern about 159 acres will retain its industrial designation. And when developed,

[1:00:55] lately it'll be about 3 million square feet of industrial and manufacturing.

[1:00:58] Okay. How was that, how was it, how was it determined how much would be industrial and how much

[1:01:05] would be commercial? If you look, it may be helpful to look at the manager's report. There's a map

[1:01:11] and a table that shows you how the different planning areas are designated on general dynamics.

[1:01:16] I have that here, but I mean, what, what are the determining factors did you look at

[1:01:20] how much industrial land there is left in San Diego? And, you know, what the vacancy rates are and things

[1:01:25] like that? Well, actually, now we looked at the, this submittal that the applicant gave us and

[1:01:31] distributed those plants throughout the city had people come in on it, including the planning group. And

[1:01:36] we found out that the original plan actually had a lot more retail than we could support. And as indicated,

[1:01:41] in the manager's report, we've reduced that by about 30% and we think we're at a point right now where we have

[1:01:46] pretty good combination of good mix of retail versus industrial. And we looked at several

[1:01:51] economic studies that were provided by the applicant that showed that this development is a pretty consistent

[1:01:56] of other developments in the nation that have a good mix of retail and industrial. And then were you

[1:02:01] involved in the discussions with MTV being a developer to see if our trolley right away was possible?

[1:02:09] Yes, and I see your transit elements here, but what about a trolley?

[1:02:14] And yes, we worked very closely with MTV and they did look at a trolley line through general dynamics.

[1:02:20] It actually went to the executive board and I think the final decision was that we wouldn't look at LRT through

[1:02:25] through the general dynamics site at this time. But as you see, there is a transit center within the facility.

[1:02:32] Right, but does the transit center have the potential to be, you know, converted to light rail if that

[1:02:39] if there's enough demand or well, it's a bus transit center now, right?

[1:02:44] Yes, it is. The, I'll let you answer. No, in fact, it would not. What it would provide is the opportunity

[1:02:57] to make the transfer to a nearby LRT station. Okay. Maybe I could ask to even a couple of questions, that's okay.

[1:03:07] In your design, or the resident, or the commercial and industrial split,

[1:03:12] is there any flexibility there? I mean, if the market suddenly skyrockets for industrial demand,

[1:03:19] would you, you know, can you convert buildings or whatever?

[1:03:25] Increasing industrial. I think the short answer is yes, but just to put a little footnote on it.

[1:03:32] The nature of the industrial space is Gordon, I think, alluded in his

[1:03:40] presentation is changing dramatically. And so what today, you might sort of call office

[1:03:48] really may be an industrial kind of use because it's high tech oriented. And I believe that particularly

[1:03:56] your new zoning code update provides a lot more forward looking view that office space in general can,

[1:04:05] in fact, accommodate industrial use and so forth. There is a potential that a significant portion

[1:04:11] of the commercial space if the market drives us that way could go in that direction.

[1:04:19] And then when will the funding for community benefits be available? Funding for community benefits with the

[1:04:26] items of development agreement? Okay. Our seller correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the,

[1:04:34] yeah, the, she's like 50%. 50% my recollection, 50% of the funding for the library

[1:04:44] and the peranimation enhancement fund are to be funded with the first building permit

[1:04:51] for the project, right? Actually, sorry. 50% of the library money comes within 30 days of approval

[1:05:04] of this project. That's today's action. It would be the second reading and then any

[1:05:10] paperwork and appeal periods afterwards. And then the library money, the second 50% has an option of

[1:05:18] either coming upon nations, the first building permit is Mr.imer described or if it's the last

[1:05:24] $250,000 for the library. So if we're able to pull the rest of the money for the library sooner,

[1:05:30] then that first building permit, then we have essentially what would be the equivalent of a call option

[1:05:35] on that money and we can draw down on that money sooner. For the Kerney Mason enhancement fund,

[1:05:40] the first half comes upon nations of the first building permit for any portion of the project.

[1:05:47] The second portion comes upon nations of the first building permit for what's called the

[1:05:51] redevelopment increment, once you pass that. Okay. And then, you know, I'm glad to see that there's

[1:05:59] some flexibility. I wish that there'd been, I can see you not wanting to overbuild when you're embarking

[1:06:07] on a development of this size, but when we've just gone through the retrofits at Fashion Valley

[1:06:14] in Mission Valley, it makes me wonder how long it will be before something like this needs parking

[1:06:21] structures or whatever second stories or more density or whatever we need to do to accommodate a large

[1:06:26] market. But you know, I can see what's before us now. I think as it's true, the other council members

[1:06:33] have said, you've come a long way. I still think there's some things that the project would have

[1:06:40] benefited to have done differently, but it's, it's going to be a huge addition to that community.

[1:06:47] And I think it'll change the face of that of Kerney Mason entirely. And one final question is,

[1:06:53] have you signed the K on the dotted line yet? So have we signed what on the dotted line?

[1:06:59] K of the furniture store. Oh, no, we haven't. No, we haven't. No, we haven't.

[1:07:05] No, keep hearing that you're, you're working on it. So I know if I'm hearing it, everybody else must

[1:07:09] be hearing it too. Active conversation out there. Okay. Well, I hope you do, right?

[1:07:18] That's a good one. Anything else? No, that's it. Thank you.

[1:07:21] I believe I'm next minute. Yes, you are. Thank you.

[1:07:26] I'm happy that something's going to happen to the big hole that we have up there.

[1:07:30] Beyond is with you driving up 163. I'm looking over at the demolishing of the buildings.

[1:07:35] It is sad to see how many jobs used to be there and have been erased.

[1:07:41] Like many of us feel that way. Obviously, it's been a staple in the city for a long time.

[1:07:47] And I'm just happy that we're going to be able to replace them with some high-paying jobs.

[1:07:53] I hope that all 12,000 of them do materialize.

[1:07:57] I hope that we're also able to attract those high-tech companies now. They're looking elsewhere outside

[1:08:02] of the city, now it's side of our region. I think that this center can be

[1:08:07] attractive enough if done well, that you can, in fact, keep many of our industries that are blossoming

[1:08:14] and doing well and replace the jobs that we've lost. So I hope that, in fact, you're able to do that.

[1:08:20] I'm tempted to ask about the professor read about the exogenous economic shots, but I'll keep a clean.

[1:08:30] But I'm sure what he meant was that those larger economic impacts beyond our area here and obviously they

[1:08:38] have been of great concern and we have in San Diego lived and died by them. But I think that this

[1:08:45] diversification is smallerness, if you will, we're probably going a long way in insulating us from

[1:08:51] those shots. And again, I hope that you do do well. I think it's incumbent upon you to try to do a

[1:08:59] good job there. You've earned a lot of money in the past from this site. You've employed a lot of people.

[1:09:05] And I think that this site can be a great job generator. They can employ a lot of our people at the

[1:09:12] need work and want to have better futures. And I think it's incumbent upon you to do a good job.

[1:09:17] And I hope you do. Thank you, madam.

[1:09:20] Very quickly, Your Honor. Thank you, Mr. Vargas, Mr. Stevens.

[1:09:23] Yes, very quickly. I'm very impressed especially about the 12,000 job possibility.

[1:09:27] And I hope that does come through. I think it's a creative project and it's very innovative and I wish

[1:09:32] you all a success with the development of it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Stevens.

[1:09:38] I think most comments on this project have been made already when it started a couple of years ago.

[1:09:43] I had real concerns about what the final outcome would be because it was at that time very heavy on retail.

[1:09:49] I think everyone has done an excellent job of crafting a project that's really going to be put for the area

[1:09:57] and be exciting for people. It pretty much has tremendous access.

[1:10:01] I am, is the center, geographic center of the county.

[1:10:06] And I think what is going to happen here is going to add some amenities to this particular area.

[1:10:10] Both the business community but also the residential areas around it, which they badly need

[1:10:16] without having to travel great distances. The fact that the market square concept is there is important

[1:10:21] because if we've learned nothing else over the last decade of land use policy, it's that you really want

[1:10:27] people to be able to come somewhere and walk and not have to use a car to go to each

[1:10:32] separate site. And this kind of a concept will allow that to happen and doing it by master plan as well.

[1:10:40] It really achieves the city's policy goals that we set a long time ago. If you remember in the

[1:10:44] council's adoption of the goals of the city of the future by promoting economic development

[1:10:50] defense conversion, which this most assuredly is, and a home for growth cluster industries

[1:10:56] and because of the light industrial that's included, we will now have light industrial land

[1:11:01] that we desperately need considering the growth and high tech and biomed in this community and others as

[1:11:06] well. I think we've already gone over what the benefits of the community are. Obviously those only

[1:11:12] come to pass if this moves forward under the present guidelines. But as part of it in the retention of

[1:11:19] missile park, which I think is an important part of the history of the city. I know it's always difficult

[1:11:24] not to give up land or property when you would like to develop it, but that is so intertwined with

[1:11:30] the history of the city and the economy of this region for so many years. I'm very pleased there was

[1:11:36] an agreement to do that and that the people who worked there for so many years and even those who didn't

[1:11:40] but who certainly are aware of the contribution made by the employees and the company to the history

[1:11:46] of this country really in many respects that we still have a chance to remember that and our children

[1:11:51] have a chance to remember it. I want to thank everybody and if you'll cast your vote, we will move on.

[1:11:59] Call the roll. The motion passes unanimously.

[1:12:05] Mayor Golding. Mayor Golding. Oh yes. If I could for just a second, it's you may have a second. Please thank

[1:12:12] you. On behalf of myself and particularly Steve has but also the rest of our entire team and I would

[1:12:19] very much like to thank the council for their vote and their willingness to work with us

[1:12:24] along and hard and also thank on our behalf the staff from the city who has done a tremendous

[1:12:33] job in a young and service in working with us all these years. Thanks for putting up with us so long.

[1:12:39] And if I could just introduce Mr. Jeff Kudlach. Very briefly who's with General Dynamics.

[1:12:44] Thank you, Honorable Mayor and members of the council. I appreciate you moving our item

[1:12:48] quickly today. We have a very exciting group of national real estate officials making their way to the

[1:12:54] project this afternoon and I think this is fabulous news for us to talk for the entire corporate real estate

[1:13:01] business of this United States about the action of the council today and on behalf of General Dynamics,

[1:13:07] we're very appreciative of the staff's effort, the council, the planning commission and all the

[1:13:12] community and we're looking forward to the implementation of this project. Thank you again.

[1:13:16] Best of luck. Thank you. Okay. We stand adjourn until two.

[1:13:29] Council meeting of Tuesday, November 18th, 1997 we will go to the item still before us under discussion items

[1:13:43] and those relate to the municipal code amendments, really what it is the zoning code update and we

[1:13:53] have not taken final action on it was continued until today to work on to look at the transcript

[1:13:59] and work on certain problems that still exist. So we have that and I recommend we take action today.

[1:14:05] I think we can do that. So I'd like to do that first. Do you have comments?

[1:14:10] You want to find my I hate to jump in or can I introduce my scouts first? I have a we blow pack here

[1:14:16] 12 16 from scripts ranch and one girl scout from troop 8101. So if you would stand up please so we can

[1:14:22] see you and welcome you to the city hall. They've had their tour of the city. They're from the

[1:14:32] scripts ranch area and we're very pleased to have you here today. They've been very well behaved and

[1:14:37] they're attentive to what we're doing today. Thanks for coming down. Thank you, Miss Ward.

[1:14:44] I want to know how many of the scouts have a badge that relates to government or civic affairs.

[1:14:52] Anybody? Is that what you're doing here today? All right. Okay just checking. Congratulations.

[1:15:00] Okay, staff. Thank you. Thank you, and good afternoon. We're here to continue the discussion on the zoning

[1:15:10] code update and hopefully give introduction of the ordinance and the resolution revisions. At last

[1:15:17] weeks, meeting on October 28th, we were directed to prepare a written response to public testimony

[1:15:23] from that meeting, which we've done in that stated October 29th. We were also directed to prepare

[1:15:27] to revise the ordinances and resolutions reflecting what we understood the council's motion to be.

[1:15:32] And that's in manager's report number P97-180, which will be the report that some of my comments will refer to.

[1:15:42] In that report, we made modifications to the following issues, grounds for appeal, the definition of sensitive

[1:15:49] biological resources, dealing with employee housing in agricultural zones, applicability of the

[1:15:56] environmentally sensitive lands regulations and making some clarifications.

[1:16:00] We also made some modifications to the companion unit regulations, and we also added a clarification

[1:16:07] to that ordinance that's before you today to identify that companion units, the regulations that we added

[1:16:14] back in were to deal with the RS zones. We dealt with bed and breakfast facilities, veterinary

[1:16:19] clinics, and animal hospitals. Again, dealing with where those uses were allowed, dealing with mining and

[1:16:26] extractive industries, heavy manufacturing parking. We modified the purpose and intent for environmentally

[1:16:34] sensitive lands regulations. We clarified the single room occupancy hotel regulations.

[1:16:40] We changed the categorical exclusion resolution to reflect the council direction or motion.

[1:16:47] And the last two items, the wetland use restrictions and the biology guidelines were modified to what we believe

[1:16:55] were consistent with the motion made by council. However, I know that we've been informed that there have been some

[1:17:00] questions about that particular area. So I have prepared and distributed for you and also provided at the back table.

[1:17:09] Two motions, motion A and motion B. And just to introduce them, motion A, I will say reflects what we thought.

[1:17:17] The motion by council was, it is what's reflected in the report, the manager's report that's before you.

[1:17:25] And what that basically did is change some of our regulations for resources back to the way they are currently regulated under our existing municipal code.

[1:17:34] Wetlands motion B and I'll get into the detail of both of those wetland motion B retained what the manager had originally proposed as part of the original code that came forward to you at that last meeting.

[1:17:47] So to go into wetlands motion A, just in a little bit more detail, the change as we understood it was to prove the biology guidelines that include the following changes

[1:17:58] that we modify the mitigation ratio for coastal wetlands to be 2 to 1 and change that to 4 to 1 as shown on the attachment.

[1:18:07] The mitigation ratios for riparian scrub and freshwater marsh were changed from 2 to 1 to 3 to 1 as shown on attachment 18.

[1:18:16] And that the wetland mitigation methods were changed to require creation or restoration mitigation at a 1 to 1 ratio before enhancement or acquisition could be used.

[1:18:25] Again, dealing with the discussion that you had of no net loss.

[1:18:30] We also modified the language as the wetland mitigation required through a federal or state permit will supersede mitigation identified in a local sequence document and that language was deleted in this under this motion.

[1:18:42] Moving on to item number 2, the first series of items dealt with the guidelines item number 2 is actually an amendment to the ordinance where we added uses,

[1:18:52] added limits to uses and activities permitted in wetlands to those that are identified in the attachment to aquaculture or similar resource dependent uses to wetland restoration projects and to incidental public service projects and the description of those uses are on that attachment 1314 and 15.

[1:19:11] And then the last part of the motion as we understood it was to direct the manager to refer the changes that the manager had originally proposed back to the wetland.

[1:19:22] Thank you very much.

City Council Meeting November 18 1997

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