[1:12] Good evening. Welcome to ordinance city council,

[1:19] public hearing on July 20th, 2026. Here it said we were starting at 5.30 p.m., you'll notice it is 5.34. And the reason why it's 5.34 is that we started at 8.40 this morning. And we finished at 5.15. So we've had a 19-minute supper break.

[1:44] Anyway, it's good to see you all this evening.

[1:48] I'll call this public hearing to order.

[1:51] As Mayor, City of Vernon, and in spirit of this gathering,

[1:55] I recognize the City of Vernon is located

[1:57] in the traditional territory of the people

[1:59] of the Okanagan Nation.

[2:06] Those who have looked at the agenda

[2:07] will realize that we're dealing with three items tonight.

[2:10] And we'll introduce each one one at a time.

[2:14] And we're going to do the first one.

[2:15] So, this public hearing is convened pursuant to local government act in order to consider

[2:22] the following.

[2:23] Official Community Plan, Polson Village Center, amendment by law 6080 for 2026.

[2:32] By law 6080 is to redesign the property to accommodate a proposed mixed-use community.

[2:41] All submissions received by the deadline have been posted into the city's website for

[2:46] reviewing and are available on the media table. That's straight back there a few.

[2:53] Some people may know the guy in the back corner there.

[3:00] Thank you. Thank you Roger.

[3:03] As those who don't, they should know. That's Roger Knox. At the back of the room, there's

[3:09] an information binder.

[3:12] Any late submissions will be noted by the Corporate Officer on my

[3:15] right. To begin with, the administration will be asked to present the application and then

[3:20] the applicant who are here today will be asked if they would like to address their application.

[3:26] I understand they will. At this public hearing, any person present who believes that their

[3:31] interest in property is affected by the proposed by-law shall be given a reasonable opportunity

[3:36] to be heard on matters contained in the proposed by-law under consideration. All speakers,

[3:42] Please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible.

[3:46] My responsibility as chairs to ensure that all comments related to the matters of the proposed by-law and not about other items.

[3:56] Those of you who wish to speak concerning the proposed by-law should approach the podium on our left on your right

[4:04] and commence your presentation to counsel by slowly and clearly stating your name and address.

[4:10] as well. Please print your name on the speakers list at the podium so we may

[4:17] record it accurately in the minutes. Then you may proceed with your

[4:21] presentation. This hearing is being live streamed and video recorded and may be

[4:26] accessed on the city's website. You'll see the sign up there saying we are on air.

[4:33] Members of Council may ask questions of you following your presentation.

[4:38] However, the function of the council members is to listen to the views of public.

[4:42] It's not the function of council of this public hearing to debate the merits of these issues

[4:47] with individual citizens.

[4:49] Once this public hearing is closed, council cannot receive any further input.

[4:55] During the hearing we ask that everyone be respectful of differing viewpoints and refrain

[5:00] from applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval.

[5:04] At the conclusion of Public Hearing Council we reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider third reading of the subject by law and you will all welcome to remain in attendance.

[5:16] Thank you.

[5:25] Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information?

[5:29] Your Worship, it was public sized in the July 9th and 16th edition of the Morning Star.

[5:37] Thank you, Ms. Wood.

[5:40] Mr. Miles, can you provide counsel in the public with an overview of the Official Community Plan

[5:45] Paulson Village Center Amendment by law 6080 of 2026?

[5:52] Welcome, Mr. Miles. Certainly. Thank you, Your Worship.

[5:56] As stated, this is an Official Community Plan Amendment application for 2501 14th Avenue.

[6:04] The purpose of this application is for a proposed future postal and village center.

[6:10] There's a number of addresses and properties that go along with this proposal.

[6:16] That will detail in a second here.

[6:20] So there are eight parcels in total.

[6:22] They highlighted in blue on your screen there.

[6:25] They total about 9.3 hectares or 23 acres in size.

[6:29] The subject properties are in the Polson neighborhood

[6:31] and are primarily accessed via Highway 6 and Kalamalka Lake Road.

[6:37] The properties currently house a number of businesses including the Cal Tire Head offices,

[6:42] BNA Brewing, and the BC Forestry Building.

[6:45] The northern properties are directly adjacent to Poulson Mall,

[6:49] which has a number of amenities including grocery store, restaurants, and baking institutions.

[6:54] To the west, the properties board are the CN Railway, Poulson Park, and Vernon Creek.

[7:01] The current land use is a mix of designations, including natural area and industrial, with

[7:07] the majority of the site designated urban neighborhood shown in the dark orange.

[7:12] The urban neighborhood designation currently provides for a variety of residential building

[7:16] types, including apartments and townhouses, and a small portion of the total area's designated

[7:23] designated industrial, which are the two smaller properties in the southwest corner.

[7:29] Not under review today, but for reference, there's also a number of zoning designations that go along with the properties

[7:36] so we could refer back to this if needed, but we won't go into detail in the zoning today.

[7:42] A quick aerial look at the properties.

[7:45] You can see the Cal Tire Office is centered in the middle with the vacant lands to the north that are adjacent to BNA brewing.

[7:57] The applicant is provided an initial concept package which was attached as part of the report

[8:02] for your review.

[8:04] A preliminary site plan shows the initial concept and is just to give an idea of how the

[8:10] future buildings could be integrated into the site and the existing road network.

[8:18] This slide just shows an overall expansion of the concept on the left it shows pedestrian

[8:24] and in-cycle proposed pedestrian cycle connections and on the right preliminary open realm and public space

[8:33] concept, which is focused on a central plaza, which is the red dot in the middle.

[8:40] Just a quick review of the OCB amendment process two-day. So at advance of this submission and

[8:47] the formal application, the applicant conducted a public engagement outreach, which included an open

[8:52] house in September of last year. The open house was held at BNA Brewing adjacent with more than

[8:59] 160 people in attendance and that summary of that engagement is attached as part of the report.

[9:07] Following that the application was accepted in February, went through a planning review and referral

[9:12] in March. It was considered by the APC in May which supported the application and first and second

[9:20] and readings in June, which leads us to today

[9:23] for public hearing and potentially third reading.

[9:29] On a broader level, just to give a recap

[9:31] on the overall development process,

[9:33] we are at the left side here, which is the OCP amendment stage

[9:39] and prior to adoption we have to go through the public hearing,

[9:42] but at this point there are no other requirements

[9:44] or conditions on the OCP amendment stage.

[9:47] After that is the rezoning stage,

[9:50] which a lot of the technical studies and requirements will come in including the site disclosure statement

[9:57] and provincial approval for that. The traffic impact assessment and provincial approval there.

[10:04] There is currently a TIA ongoing between the city, MOT and the applicants currently.

[10:14] Other infrastructure improvements could involve the realignment of 26th street, transit improvements,

[10:19] and this is where a detailed surface agreement would come in.

[10:23] After that development permits,

[10:27] any needed subdivisions and building permits would come in

[10:29] and that's where form and character guidelines of any buildings

[10:33] would be done.

[10:34] That's when you get your detailed architectural designs and elevations

[10:37] and that sort of design level.

[10:42] In regards to the overall growth strategy of the City of Vernon,

[10:48] It provides a couple of these key criteria, including increasing housing and designated

[10:55] areas where infrastructure already exists or plan.

[10:59] So this proposal would allow for a mixed use village center and allow for greater intensive

[11:05] commercial opportunities and height within this area.

[11:10] It is also within the current urban containment boundary and focused growth boundary.

[11:14] The report provides a more detailed policy analysis, but just a few have been highlighted

[11:22] here, including housing types and tenures.

[11:27] This proposal could provide a mix of housing types, including missing middle typeologies

[11:36] to help the area.

[11:39] Jobs and employment, the proposal is adjacent to a number nearby commercial and industrial

[11:43] and utility employers, and again would increase some residential density in the area.

[11:52] So administration is supporting the proposed OCP amendment.

[11:56] Again, because it's in the urban containment and focus growth boundary,

[12:00] would increase commercial and residential opportunities for the area.

[12:04] It would also utilize existing park connections and transportation connections,

[12:10] including the CalMELCA multi-use path.

[12:12] And again, the adjacency to Poulson Park and other amenities for a walkable neighborhood.

[12:19] And that concludes staff remarks, thank you for the motion.

[12:26] Thank you, Mr. Miles.

[12:29] Council, any questions, Mr. Miles?

[12:33] Do any question I have?

[12:34] Is anything shifted from the time council have seen this before tonight's public hearing?

[12:42] In regards to the application itself remains the same.

[12:46] There has been no changes.

[12:47] Thank you.

[12:53] Seeing no more questions to Council,

[13:04] will the applicant like to make a presentation?

[13:09] Okay.

[13:24] Good evening, Mayor and Council.

[13:29] I'm here tonight to talk about the via district.

[13:32] My name is Andrew Kerbis and I'm the Executive Managing Director at Air Relief Real Estate.

[13:39] I'll keep this short and sweet since you guys have been here since 840.

[13:43] We, a via district represents discussions and

[13:47] planning that's spanned many years, maybe even close to two decades since we've owned that property.

[13:55] For Aeroleaf, this is more than a development project.

[13:59] It's a long-term investment in our hometown.

[14:03] As you likely already know, we're a burden-based organization with deep roots in the community.

[14:10] We are committed to creating a neighborhood that adds lasting value for the residents, businesses, and future generations.

[14:20] Thank you to Council, staff, and everyone who participated in the process.

[14:27] We appreciate your consideration tonight.

[14:43] Council, any questions for arrow leaf.

[14:45] Alright,

[14:54] we'll move to the next item which is representation.

[15:00] The public. Ms. Wood, do we have any written submissions not included in the public agenda? Your worship, there are two items that have been received following publication of the agenda. An email dated July 17th from S. Hoverg and an email dated July 20th from B. Taylor, both of which have been provided to council have been included on the website and in the back table.

[15:30] Council, you have the paper in front of you.

[15:41] Okay. Now it's time.

[15:44] I would like to call for a first time for representation from the public in attendance, who would like to speak to this application.

[15:55] Feel free.

[16:06] It's all good.

[16:09] Thank you.

[16:11] Just a reminder you provide us with your name and address. Yes.

[16:15] So we can get it for the minutes.

[16:17] My name is Loretta Locke, L-O-C-K-E, and I live in 4108 Leatherback Road in Vernon.

[16:28] Thank you.

[16:32] So can I begin?

[16:33] Absolutely.

[16:34] Okay. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council. My name is Loretta Locke.

[16:39] I'm here to speak in carcer support of OCP amendment 6-0-8-O.

[16:45] I recognize tonight's hearing is restricted to the land use redesignation of these 18 acres.

[16:53] I'm using this final public window to address arrow leaf real estate 16 story layout because it marks our absolute last opportunity for public input before new provincial housing legislation completely eliminates these democratic hearings.

[17:10] Like neighbors who have submitted written briefs tonight, I have a deep serious concerns

[17:15] regarding whether our municipality possesses the actual water volume capacity to sustain

[17:21] a project of this scale amidst chronic summer shortages.

[17:25] However, shifting this underutilized industrial zone into a high density transit-oriented village

[17:32] is smart growth.

[17:34] Aero leaves environmental studies appropriately address wind, shadow and heat island effects

[17:40] and they have committed to protecting the ecological integrity of Vernon Creek and Pulse

[17:45] and Park through stormwater planters and extensive tree plantings.

[17:49] Council has a unique window to partner with this vision.

[17:53] We are way ahead of construction, meaning we can introduce modern source control engineering

[17:58] standards right now to ensure these promised treatment zones handle surface

[18:04] runoff flawlessly. Current standards civil engineering designs treat pavement

[18:10] runoff as a waste product, flushing it off site into storm sewers that pollute

[18:16] our lakes while we import expensive drinking water to irrigate adjacent spaces.

[18:21] This costly cycle wastes public funds on both ends of the pipe.

[18:29] By formalizing

[18:30] Building Brad Lancaster's Rainwater Harvesting Design Framework within the final approvals

[18:35] under by-law 6200, we can ensure that high-volume pavement and roundabout runoff is funneled

[18:43] throughout concrete curb cuts directly into deeply recessed by retention basins.

[18:48] This passive reservoir halts the progressive depletion of our groundwater levels by actively

[18:54] recharging our sinking aquifers while saving tax payer dollars.

[18:58] By utilizing surface retention, we downsize underground storm pipes.

[19:04] This knits an immediate credit of roughly $2 per square foot over conventional drainage.

[19:09] Growing a dense canopy at zero utility cost and achieving permanent water savings.

[19:16] I request a formal 15 minute delegation spot on the September 8th council agenda to deliver

[19:22] an intensive technical briefing to council and engineering staff.

[19:26] Thank you.

[19:27] Thank you very much.

[19:30] Council, any specific questions for the presenter?

[19:34] Seeing none, thank you.

[19:37] Okay, I'll just write down my name.

[19:57] Thank you.

[20:15] Janet Parkins, 758, Cypress Drive, cold stream.

[20:20] I agree that this proposal is growth where growth belongs.

[20:24] This is Brownfield land within the urban containment and focused growth boundaries that is currently

[20:29] designated urban neighborhood.

[20:32] Infrastructure is already in place and no upgrades are anticipated for water or sewer.

[20:37] The proposal is for mixed housing, increasing residential density, a range of housing types

[20:42] and tendencies are planned, including town homes, rentals and condos, senior and family

[20:47] friendly housing, including smaller and multi-unit buildings, increasing affordability.

[20:53] The location of lines with Vernon's transportation plan is adjacent to existing public transit,

[20:59] will increase transit ridership, reduce vehicle use, decrease congestion, and increase walking and cycling.

[21:06] Because cars are not needed, even surface parking is minimized.

[21:10] The location is adjacent to a wide variety of amenities.

[21:14] Poulson Mall is on the north boundary with an existing grocery store, restaurants, a bank, and other shops.

[21:20] The via district is near commercial businesses and employers, and a hotel is being considered.

[21:25] Additional retail opportunities are planned within this development.

[21:29] It will be a walkable neighborhood connected to Polson Park and Vernon Creek trails and a multi-use path.

[21:36] The development plans include varied and flexible public spaces for community participation,

[21:41] programming, recreation, and partnerships and collaborations with community organizations.

[21:47] Street trees, green spaces, and connection to nature are included in the development plans.

[21:52] being so close to the downtown core, it will also contribute to the vibrancy of the city core.

[21:58] Water conservation will be maximized with poorest services and stormwater treatment zones.

[22:03] I think this development is a well-considered thoughtful and thorough plan that will be an asset to the city of Vernon.

[22:10] My only concern is that I have not seen estimates as to what the different types of housing will cost.

[22:22] Council, any questions for the presenter?

[22:27] Seeing none.

[22:28] one. Thank you.

[22:45] My

[22:48] name is Sierra Vanderdeen, 6211

[22:51] Starr Road Vernon. Although I live on Starr Road, I frequent businesses in the Pulse

[22:59] in Middleton area frequently, weekly or nearly daily, and my concerns are around traffic

[23:07] calming especially and also around some non-market housing. So I come down from

[23:16] Middleton and from the East Vernon area. That's a short drive for me. But coming down from

[23:24] Middleton on to the Poulson area especially with the Highway 6 intersection with Kalamalka.

[23:31] and then the way that Poulson Mall is configured with the driveway out next to save on the shoppers and then out on the highway 6.

[23:42] I am frankly shocked that there hasn't been more accidents there because the high speeds on highway 6

[23:50] because drivers often don't slow down on these areas and there's enough lights there but even the lights only slow down drivers a bit.

[24:01] it, especially in that area where you're pulling out behind with the shoppers and there's

[24:08] a blind corner there from Highway 6, from a little spillway.

[24:13] I believe you know what I'm referring to.

[24:15] Yeah, I would want if you're going to redevelop this area, and I know there's also a plan

[24:24] to redevelop a lot of Pulsing Park, I believe.

[24:26] I would want this to be a chance to redesign the traffic management there because it seems

[24:33] like every intersection there is an accident waiting to happen, especially because the traffic

[24:37] to Cal Lake, whether that's the dock or the Jane Juniper, the traffic to those beaches

[24:43] is so high in the summer too.

[24:46] So that is my one big concern about making sure that this is a chance to make sure that this

[24:52] This is a safe area to walk through because right now I know like Pulse and Park is a place

[24:57] people avoid as much as they can and that people are nervous to drive through, especially

[25:04] me.

[25:05] So as someone who frequents the business, this is there quite often and who would want

[25:10] to drive around there and who would want to even take the bus around there.

[25:14] I would really want to see a safer option and a safer way to get around that wouldn't

[25:20] be so nerve-racking, dry it around.

[25:24] And then my second one, and I really do like this point

[25:28] with OCP is making non-market housing.

[25:31] So making sure that there are not just more

[25:35] extensive apartments, but making sure that there are places

[25:38] that young people like me can afford.

[25:40] So those are two of my greatest concerns.

[25:42] So I thank you for hearing them.

[25:44] I hope my Highway 6 illustration was sufficient.

[25:54] Thank you.

[25:56] Councilor Montenegro.

[25:58] You might have a question for you.

[25:59] Councilor Montenegro.

[26:00] So, not that we've ever asked before, but I'll ask you, what can you afford for an apartment?

[26:05] So, we have a general consensus here on what it would be for youth in this town.

[26:11] Good question.

[26:11] I'd say the ideal, honestly, for a one-bedroom would be 700 of those because that compared

[26:22] to, say, someone of my age who can get a job on a minimum wage or maybe just $5 more

[26:29] than minimum wage.

[26:30] I believe that's upwards of about 3,000 but right now most people are charging 1,500 or nearly

[26:38] early 2000 for one bedrooms or for even two bedrooms with two bed to bath.

[26:45] So ideally 700 would be a good goal to reach for this.

[26:52] That or maybe a thousand if it's a really nice apartment.

[26:58] You knew it probably would be.

[26:59] Yeah, okay, thank you.

[27:03] Thank you, Councilor.

[27:05] Any other questions for the presenter?

[27:15] Welcome.

[27:15] for

[27:35] short. Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Barry Dorvel. I live at 2402-26

[27:42] Street in Vernon and tonight I'm speaking in support of the via district proposal. I believe

[27:50] this development moves Vernon in a direction that is broadly consistent with the vision aligned in our

[27:57] official community plan. It represents significant residential density within the urban core

[28:04] where residents can live closer to services, employment, recreation and importantly public transit.

[28:12] We know that concentrating growth in existing urban areas is more fiscally responsible and environmentally sustainable approach than expanding into the urban fringe.

[28:25] I also appreciate this project's mixed-use design.

[28:32] developments that combine housing with commercial uses help create neighborhoods where

[28:39] more daily needs can be met without relying on a vehicle for every trip. I'm also encouraged

[28:46] by the proximity to Poulson Park and the Vernon Creek corridor. I really hope that when

[28:54] this project proceeds, and I hope that it does, that it becomes an example of how development

[29:01] can coexist with and even enhance natural spaces, particularly wetland sites.

[29:11] Now all of those things said, I do have two concerns, and thanks for setting it up, Sierra,

[29:17] they coincide with the previous speaker.

[29:19] Here. The first is transportation. Anyone who regularly drives through this area knows

[29:27] that significant congestion already exists around them all. And with, in the proposal,

[29:35] it said 500 to 900 units are being proposed, with that increase in residential activity, not

[29:43] notwithstanding the fact that there is going to be significant efforts around providing

[29:48] alternate means of transportation, active transportation, and infrastructure for public

[29:55] transit. Traffic will still only get worse.

[30:00] I really hope that council ensures that sufficient steps are taken to mitigate this inevitable problem. And to require that the developer contribute a fair share toward the new and improved road infrastructure that will be needed specifically to accommodate the increase in traffic that is being generated because of this project. We needed to fix this area

[30:29] for a long time and city resources need to go towards doing so, but the fact that there

[30:35] will be an increase in the challenges that exist seems to me that it requires the developer

[30:43] to contribute a fair share towards the solution of that exacerbated problem.

[30:50] The second concern is around housing affordability.

[30:55] Now, the proposal mentions that they're going to be looking for significant increases in the allowable building height.

[31:04] And again, I think that that's a wise thing. We need to build up, not out.

[31:08] And so that is broadly in alignment with the kind of growth that we need to prioritize in our community.

[31:18] However, when we add density to land, we are adding additional development rights.

[31:28] And it is a direct increase in the value of that land and the profits that can be made

[31:36] from it.

[31:37] And that's not a bad thing.

[31:38] Profits not a bad word.

[31:41] But when additional development rights are granted, it is reasonable to ask whether the

[31:49] community should also receive additional public benefit in return.

[31:57] So I would encourage Council to explore whether a reasonable percentage of the units be made

[32:08] affordable by the definitions that exist within the OCP or another meaningful housing

[32:16] contribution around affordability and some other format could be incorporated into the project.

[32:23] So overall, I believe this proposal represents the kind of growth Vernon should be encouraging.

[32:30] If we want to reduce sprawl, make better use of existing infrastructure and take real tangible

[32:37] steps to implement our climate action plan, then projects like this deserve our support.

[32:45] My hope is simply that Council ensures that the development also addresses the transportation

[32:51] issues and some of the additional value created through increased development rights is returned to

[33:00] the community by supporting affordable housing through the zoning or permitting processes.

[33:09] Thank you.

[33:14] Council, any questions for the presenter?

[33:21] Seeing none, thank you.

[33:51] Hi, my name is Jane Wexel, and I live at 3925 15th Avenue.

[33:56] I also would like to speak to the via district, and I do approve of it.

[34:01] When I moved to Vernon 38 years ago, I did my homework before I purchased a home.

[34:06] I researched what would make my home something that would appeal to buyers.

[34:10] And in the event that I wanted or needed to sell it sometime in the future,

[34:14] I had no idea if it would be my forever home at the time,

[34:19] but based on what I learned,

[34:21] and these items still apply to housing needs in Vernon today.

[34:25] I gave my realtor a list of needs.

[34:27] A short commute time to work, close to a grocery store, shopping, a bank, and a drug store.

[34:35] Walkability was a top priority.

[34:37] I enjoy walking around a neighborhood and into town to do chores.

[34:40] And I know many people that prioritize walking to stay in shape and be relaxed.

[34:46] I wanted to be near a park or a green space.

[34:49] The house had to be close to a transit route and I wanted nearby health care.

[34:54] My husband and I are still in that same small house and we love it.

[34:58] Our neighbors and neighborhood are great, but that being said, we both expect that we

[35:03] will have to downsize as yard work and maintenance will be more than we can handle in about

[35:06] five to ten years.

[35:08] We have discussed that if one of us were to die, we would like to be living in a space where

[35:12] one could manage on their own and would not have to move again.

[35:16] Having residents of all ages would be a big benefit.

[35:19] Families and younger residents energize a neighborhood.

[35:22] should we be unable to drive for medical reasons, transit is imperative. Our

[35:28] house borders the park and is close to walking trails. We are very grateful for

[35:33] those green spaces and we take advantages of them every day just like the kids in

[35:38] the neighborhood did when they were young. It dawned on us that the via district

[35:42] would be a viable option. I worked at the Cal Tire office at the end of my

[35:47] working days, and I frequently access Poulson Park via the boardwalk during the lunch hour.

[35:54] Many of my coworkers of all ages took advantage of this walkable green space break in the

[36:00] day.

[36:01] What a wonderful perk for people living in this development.

[36:05] To finish off, I now prioritize a few more things than I did in my early twenties and thirties.

[36:11] As many things have changed, as Vernon has grown up.

[36:14] I now really prioritize water conservation, keeping taxes lower by building on existing sewer, water and roads as the via district will, ensuring the Vernon has a variety of housing types that are affordable for all its residents and workers, and that they can get around on public transit, even if they can afford a car, insurance and gas.

[36:40] I believe that the via district neighborhood will revitalize our downtown core.

[36:46] That has been a priority in our last three OCPs.

[36:51] And I would love to see that finally happen.

[36:55] I like that this proposal supports the transportation plan.

[36:59] It should help, rather than make our traffic congestion problems and air quality problems worse.

[37:05] First, I think this proposal will be a real benefit to Vernon.

[37:10] If it offers a mix of housing, which contains truly affordable housing options for

[37:15] Vernon residents, it will tick all the boxes for me.

[37:19] Thank you.

[37:23] Council, any questions for the presenter?

[37:27] Seeing none, thank you.

[37:32] Welcome.

[37:32] Hello.

[37:33] My name is Kelly Westgate.

[37:35] I live at 8508 Clerk Road in Cold Stream, number 49.

[37:39] I also wanted to speak in support of the via district.

[37:42] I think this is the right development at the right time in the right place.

[37:46] I did want to reiterate what some of the other speakers have said though about water concerns.

[37:52] We're in a historic drought as we all know. Everything's dying. We're having a hard time

[37:57] with enough water for everybody that's already here. So just in any possible way, low flow toilets,

[38:04] you know, any way that you can integrate anything within the design that can really take that into

[38:09] consideration, and I would implore a council to look into things that may have previously

[38:14] seen radical too because we are, you know, desperate times. So, but I think it's great.

[38:21] I love what it's an improvement to the area. I'm a frequent biker on that trail. So, you

[38:27] know, making sure there's good shade trees, you know, good canopy cover, and reducing that

[38:33] heat island, like you said, is great. So, yeah, overall, I'm very supportive, but just

[38:38] please keep water in mind. Thank you.

[39:04] Now is your chance? Same price.

[39:15] I'll call for a second time.

[39:45] You need my name again, right? Yes, just a record.

[39:48] Right. Loretta Locke, L-O-C-K-E,

[39:50] 401-08, Letherback Road, Vernon.

[39:55] Okay. Good evening, Mr. Mayor again.

[40:00] Council and engineering staff.

[40:02] My name is Loretta Locke and I'm stepping up for a second turn to demonstrate how the water savings lessons from the Viadistrict

[40:10] template can fix burn ins overall infrastructure vulnerabilities a

[40:17] Critical regulatory blind spot exists between our city departments

[40:21] While planners wrote brilliant environmental guidelines into OCP 6200

[40:26] zero, the engineering department is structurally handcuffed by subdivision

[40:31] servicing by a three schedule F. Schedule F legally forces

[40:37] developers to build rigid pipe and convey drainage systems that flush clean

[40:41] rain off site into storm sewers while our groundwater tables dry up completely

[40:47] overriding the original intent of our broader water conservation policies. We

[40:54] We must strengthen our regulatory frameworks as we look at item 3 on tonight's agenda regarding

[40:59] by last 6.0, 8.2.

[41:02] The city is appropriately attempting to refine its landscape and screening regulations.

[41:07] However, this text update focuses strictly on surface aesthetics and simplifying diagrams.

[41:14] I'm just going to help you out here.

[41:15] Yes.

[41:16] If this is focused on the via here on the right one, if you're going to wander into the next

[41:21] file log.

[41:22] Okay, sorry.

[41:22] I'll get you to hold that for the next pilot.

[41:25] We want to hear both.

[41:26] Okay.

[41:27] This is focused on via.

[41:28] Right.

[41:29] Okay.

[41:31] So you will get a second chance on the next pilot.

[41:35] Okay.

[41:36] It remains.

[41:36] The engineering department seems to be blind to our systemic water crisis.

[41:44] Updating zoning diagrams does nothing if our engineering rules continue to force developers

[41:49] to treat rain like a liability.

[41:52] Instead of only shifting to expensive reclaimed water systems,

[41:56] we must update stormwater drainage by law 5995

[41:59] and by law 38432 Mandate Rain Harvesting Design Citywide.

[42:04] We must increase pavement effectiveness

[42:07] by mandating permeable interlocking concrete pavers

[42:10] for modern pedestrian walkways, parking lots, and roundabouts.

[42:14] Sloping hardscapes into deeply recessed sunken

[42:17] bioretension basins turn pavement into a collection apron.

[42:23] This approach is substantially cheaper eliminating costly subterranean store mains and saving

[42:30] public capital right from the start.

[42:32] This deep-root hydration recharges our water table, directly targeting the chronic groundwater

[42:38] starvation causing canopy distress.

[42:40] I'm going to interrupt you.

[42:42] This is regarding the Viya as well.

[42:44] Okay.

[42:45] Yes?

[42:45] Absolutely.

[42:46] I would appreciate if it was later in the agenda.

[42:49] Absolutely.

[42:50] Yeah.

[42:50] So,

[42:53] okay.

[42:53] The chronic groundwater starvation cause and canopy distress across historic areas like

[42:58] East Hill.

[42:58] It lowers summer pavement temperatures by up to 25 degrees and maximizes city-wide

[43:04] water savings.

[43:06] So I reiterate my request for a formal 50-minute delegation spot on the September 8th Council

[43:11] session agenda to deliver a comprehensive technical briefing to update our engineering

[43:17] specifications for all future developments, residential lots, public roundabouts, and

[43:22] the Greater Cultural Center Plaza.

[43:24] And this is a huge chance for us via district is a huge, huge chance for us now to really begin

[43:33] with that.

[43:35] Okay.

[43:36] Thank you.

[43:48] So I'll call for a third and a final time.

[43:56] Seeing no one approaching, I will close this public hearing.

[44:01] Thank you for your input.

[44:08] So as you heard earlier, we're going to go through this two more times on two other bylaws

[44:12] and then we'll meet as a council and make a decision about each of these three items.

[44:21] And you're welcome to stay and watch us make a decision.

[45:12] All right, I'll move to our second public hearing tonight. I'll call this public hearing to order for by law 6082, 2026, which is a zoning text for landscape regulation updates amendment. This would, can you provide the publication information?

[45:35] Sure.

[45:40] This public hearing is convened, presumed to the local government act in order to consider the following.

[45:45] Zoning Text Landscape Regulation Updates Amendment By-law 6082 of 2026.

[45:53] By-law 6082 to update Section 6, Landscape and Screening Regulations of Zoning By-law 6,000

[46:01] as part of Phase 2, Refine, Implement, Implementation to Simplify By-law Requirements and

[46:08] Clarify Diagrams.

[46:10] All submissions received by the deadline have been posted to the city's website for

[46:14] viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room in an information

[46:19] binder.

[46:20] Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer, administration will be asked

[46:26] to present the application.

[46:28] At this public hearing any person present who believes that their interest in property

[46:32] is affected by the proposed bylaw should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[46:36] of the matters contained in the proposed by-law under consideration.

[46:40] All speakers please keep your presentation as concise and on topic as possible.

[46:46] My responsibility as chair is to ensure that all comments relate to the matters in the

[46:51] proposed by-law.

[46:53] Those of you who wish to speak, concerning the proposed by-law should approach the podium

[46:58] and convince your presentation to counsel by slowly and clearly stating your name and address

[47:03] as well please print your name on the speakers list at the podium so we may

[47:07] record it accurately in the minutes. Then you may proceed with your

[47:11] presentation. This hearing is being line-strained and video recorded and may be

[47:16] accessed on the City of the website. Members of Council may ask questions of

[47:21] you following your presentation. However the function of council members is to

[47:25] listen to the views of the public. It is not the function of council, this public

[47:29] hearing to debate the merits of these issues with individual citizens.

[47:34] Once this public hearing is closed, council cannot receive any further input.

[47:39] During the hearing we ask that everyone be respectful of different viewpoints and refrain

[47:44] from applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval.

[47:47] At the conclusion of the public hearing session, council will reconvene the regular open meeting

[47:53] in order to consider third reading of the subject bylaws and you are all welcome to remain

[47:58] in the ten minutes. Thank you.

[48:06] Ms. Wood, can you provide the publication information?

[48:10] Your worship, it was included in the July 9th and July 16th editions of the Morningstar.

[48:16] Thank you. Ms. Wiltsie, please provide counsel and the public as an overview of the zoning text,

[48:22] landscape regulation updates, amendment viola 6082 of 2026.

[48:30] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[48:30] This presentation will provide a brief overview of the proposed amendments to Section 6,

[48:36] Landscape and Screening of Zoning Bylaw 6000. Zoning Bylaw 6000 was adopted on June 24th, 2024,

[48:45] to repeal and replace the previous Zoning Bylaw 5000. The purpose of this replacement was to align

[48:52] with new requirements from the province, related to small-scale multi-unit housing and transit-oriented

[48:57] development. To meet the deadline set by the province for the adoption of the new zoning

[49:02] by-law, a three-phase approach was initiated, comprised of phase one design, including the

[49:09] creation of by-law 6,000. Phase two refined, including updates to sections not covered

[49:15] by provincial legislation, such as section six, which is seen before you today. And phase three

[49:20] align, including aligning the new by-law with the official community plan, transportation plan,

[49:26] and housing needs report to support the city's long-term growth and development estimated

[49:30] for early 2027. The intention of these updates to Section 6 are to streamline and clarify regulations.

[49:40] Specifically, administration is driving to simplify requirements to improve civic communication.

[49:46] Incorporate fire risk mitigation standards to enhance community resilience and improve alignment

[49:51] with the new official community plan.

[49:55] Actions taken to meet the subjective include defining key terms,

[49:59] such as soft landscaping,

[50:01] to improve clarity and interpretation.

[50:04] Clarifying irrigation requirements,

[50:06] including the areas of existing undisturbed vegetation,

[50:10] landscape areas specifically designed is zero-scape,

[50:13] a low water use landscaping method,

[50:15] and landscape areas with established,

[50:17] drought tolerant vegetation do not require permanent irrigation.

[50:22] Streamlining maintenance criteria is many maintenance requirements previously included are covered under other bylaws, such as the Good Neighbor Bylaw, and refining key diagrams, including those for wildlife, considerate fences, and an example landscape buffer to improve consistency and interpretation.

[50:40] Another key change is the incorporation of fire risk mitigation standards, including requirements for the immediate, intermediate, and extended zones, based on FireSmart BC principles.

[50:52] These include restricting new combustible mulch,

[50:56] conifer shrubs, and trees within the immediate zone,

[50:59] restricting new conifer shrubs or coniferous trees

[51:01] within 10 meters of a building,

[51:03] unless specific criteria is met within the intermediate zone,

[51:07] and establishing a minimum spacing of three meters

[51:09] between new coniferous trees within the extended zone.

[51:14] Feedback has been received from the Ministry of Transportation

[51:17] and Transit, requesting a broad compliance statement

[51:19] to ensure requirements do not conflict with or undermine

[51:22] provincial legislative requirements. As a result, the following text indicated in red is proposed

[51:28] for addition to Section 6.1.1 to accommodate this request. In summary, the updates to Section 6

[51:36] align with key priorities of the recently adopted official community plan, including the creation

[51:41] of a vibrant, safe, and inclusive neighborhoods that are pedestrian friendly, sustainable, and

[51:46] resilient for future generations. Specifically, a strong alignment has been identified with a

[51:52] Objective 4.2.5, which seeks to enhance the community tree canopy and recognize the importance of sustainable planting alternatives, where tree planting is not feasible due to site constraints.

[52:03] Action 5A, which identifies an update to the landscape regulations in the zoning bylaw, is a priority.

[52:09] An objective 4.6.2, which seeks to reduce the risks of persons and property from major hazards, including wildfires.

[52:18] Thank you.

[52:21] Council, any questions from Ms. Wolsey?

[52:28] Seeing none,

[52:31] Ms. Wood, have we received any written

[52:33] submissions that were not included in the public agenda?

[52:37] Your worship, there are no additional submissions.

[52:40] All right. I'll call for a first time for representation of the public attendance who would

[52:45] like to speak to this application.

[52:53] I will call for a second time.

[53:00] I will call for a third

[53:01] in final time for the public in attendance who would like to speak to this application.

[53:10] Seeing none, I declare this public hearing closed.

[53:20] We'll move now to public hearing number three.

[53:26] I will call this public hearing to order.

[53:30] This public hearing is convened pursuant to the local government act in order to considering

[53:36] the following.

[53:36] Zoning text, various text amendments, and amendment bylaw 6083 of 2026.

[53:45] Bylaw 6083 is to update various sections of zoning bylaw 6,000, pertaining to projections

[53:52] in the yard, slopes, grades, purpose, access, and airport land uses as part of Phase 2,

[53:59] refine implementation.

[54:01] All submissions received by the deadline have been posted on the city's website for viewing and are available on the media table at the back of the room and an information binder.

[54:15] Any late submissions will be noted by the corporate officer, administration will be asked to present the application.

[54:23] Roger is still there in the back corner.

[54:26] So that's where the media table is.

[54:29] You're doing well Roger. It's been a long day.

[54:32] At this public hearing, any person present who believes that their interest in property

[54:38] is affected by the proposed by-law should be given a reasonable opportunity to be heard

[54:43] on the matters contained in the proposed by-law and the consideration.

[54:46] All speakers please keep a presentation as concise on topics possible, my responsibility as

[54:52] chairs to ensure that all comments relate to the matters of the proposed by-law.

[54:57] Those of you who wish to speak concerning the proposed by-law should approach the podium

[55:01] on my left on your right and commence your presentation to council by

[55:06] slowly and clearly stating your name and address.

[55:08] As well please print your name on the speakers list of the podium so we may

[55:12] record it accurately in the minutes.

[55:14] Then you may proceed with your presentation.

[55:17] This hearing is being live streamed and video recorded and may be accessed on the city's

[55:22] website.

[55:22] Members of Council may ask questions of view following your presentation.

[55:28] However, the function of council members is to listen to the views of the public

[55:31] and is not the function of council at this public hearing to debate the merits of these issues with individual citizens.

[55:38] Once this public hearing is closed, council cannot receive any further input.

[55:43] Here in the hearing, we ask people to respectfully differ in viewpoints

[55:47] and refrain from applause or other expressions of approval or disapproval.

[55:51] As the concludes the public hearing, Council will reconvene the regular open meeting in order to consider the third reading of the subject bylaws, and you are welcome to remain in attendance.

[56:08] Miss Wood, can you provide the publication information, please?

[56:14] Worship, it was included in the July 9th and 16th editions of the Morning Star.

[56:20] Thank you. Mr. Bridewreck, could you provide Council in the public with an overview of the zoning texts?

[56:28] various amendments by law 6-0-8-3 of 2026.

[56:33] Thank you, Your Worship. Yes, and could even counsel.

[56:36] Just to a brief presentation, Ms. Wiltsy's overview of her by-law has a similar framework to this by-law.

[56:44] It's a technical implementation zoning by-law to help bring the zoning more in line with the community plan

[56:52] and also to an effort to reduce unwarranted variances.

[56:58] So this by-law has a range of amendments

[57:02] and it's specifically to deal with projections into yards

[57:06] which are allowed in the zoning by-law development

[57:09] management of slopes, regulations laid to driveway grades,

[57:15] purpose statements of each by-law,

[57:17] the district zone access and airport-related land uses.

[57:24] And the attempts is just simply to fine-tune the existing zoning

[57:28] by-law in light of our major OCP review and to help reduce the amount of variances required.

[57:37] So specifically, the projections into the yards is to basically align this into

[57:41] more of a construction standard going to 0.6 meters and the second one is a slope.

[57:51] Variance is eliminating in the by-law right now. It's a hard regulation, no

[57:58] developments over on slopes over 30 percent. With the new community plan we have

[58:04] has much more prominent role in development management on the hillsides. Those

[58:08] developments have to go through development permits and through the geotach studies and

[58:13] hillside studies that regulation isn't felt to be needed in the zoning anymore and it also

[58:19] helps reduce the amount of variances. Grades was expected, driveway grades basically the subdued

[58:26] written service and viola deals with the details of driveway grades once we get to a subdivision

[58:34] or a development project and we don't want to conflicting regulations in the bylaws.

[58:40] The purpose statements right now the bylaw has a number section in each purpose and there's been instances where we felt we needed to come to council or to the delegate with a variance for the purpose that was just an arduous variance that was really the purpose statement is just a description of the zone as opposed to a regulation.

[59:05] access right now the zoning by-law speaks to number of accesses whereas the

[59:10] subversion servicing by-law again is a more technical document and it should be

[59:15] in there and not in the by-law and try to eliminate redundancies and conflicts

[59:20] and the last one was to do with the airport the burning regional airport has

[59:27] always had a principal driving land use of airport related uses and there

[59:33] There is a provision and this is light industrial which could open up the airport asset to non-airport

[59:41] related uses.

[59:42] So that was thought to be added into this by law amendments.

[59:49] And the recommendation is to carry on as we are to a public hearing and it will have

[59:55] to re-review it and sign by the Ministry.

[1:00:00] Thanks, basically, the whole city. That's an overview. Thank you, Mr. Roderick. Yes, that's fine. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Greg, can you back to grades for a second? Sorry, slopes. So we're taking out the no construction of a building structure or swimming pool on any slope of 30% or greater. We're taking that out.

[1:00:31] Yeah, that's correct. There's a schedule in here. This goes into the current and proposed wording.

[1:00:40] I just find it. So section 4 currently says no building. No construction or building structure is

[1:00:46] swimming pool is permitted on a slow gradient from percent. That's a full deletion. So then if someone comes

[1:00:52] in with an application for a swimming pool on a 40% slope, what happens? They would have to go

[1:00:58] through the building inspectors would flag it and they'd say you need a development permit

[1:01:02] for this.

[1:01:03] Okay.

[1:01:03] We would require a geotext study, instructional, and all the supporting documentation.

[1:01:09] So is that going to be obvious in the bylaw to somebody developing, like I know we've had

[1:01:18] a lot of these, right, as we've turned like this, this was a bit of a frustration.

[1:01:24] So thanks for doing this, this is great, but is it going to be clear in the bylaw that

[1:01:30] But that triggers a DP, like where will that information be found?

[1:01:37] Yeah, if I could your ship through the Council requiring it's, it won't be in the zoning

[1:01:41] by-law through the development review process, whether it's a pre-application or a sit-down

[1:01:47] with the building official or one of the platters, that's the time it'll be flagged so you're

[1:01:51] going to need a development permit for this for whatever reason, the hillside, fire, flooding,

[1:01:58] So it will be flagged at hopefully a pre-application meeting if there isn't one, it will be at the building primary stage and there could be some rounding back to a development permit.

[1:02:11] Until the development community and the builders get to know us what the changes.

[1:02:17] So I don't like that because...

[1:02:22] Just before we get into that, this is what questions about questions. Oh, we get lots of chance later to have. Yeah, I think there's a work around so we'll do that. I should know this after 15 years, but you'll tell me what. Thank you.

[1:02:37] This is about questions clearly and you did really well up until that point and then you must have been more than a 30 degree slope because you stepped off into the hole.

[1:02:48] That's right. I think that's what you call a 90 percent slope.

[1:02:56] Council, any other questions

[1:02:57] for Mr. Broderick? Seeing none, Ms. Wood, have we received any written submissions that

[1:03:04] were not included in the public agenda? No, we haven't, you were, sir.

[1:03:09] Okay, I'll call for a first time, for a person from the public intends that he would like

[1:03:14] to speak to this application.

[1:03:21] I will call for a second time.

[1:03:26] I will call for a third

[1:03:28] and final time,

[1:03:33] seeing that there's no one approaching.

[1:03:36] I declare this public hearing

[1:03:40] officially closed. Council, we'll now return to the regular agenda,

[1:03:49] which we recessed early.

[1:04:03] We'll reconvene the meeting. This is for by-laws for third reading.

[1:04:08] the Official Community Plan, Foulson Village Center Amendment by Law 6080 of 2026. Can I have

[1:04:15] a motion, please? A move, Councillor, acquiring, Councillor Mund. Can I have staff provide information

[1:04:23] about what is now allowed within this village designation in the OCP? Mr. Miles, this is not zoning.

[1:04:35] This is this is village OCP, so it'd be helpful for the gallery and maybe even council to understand the difference.

[1:04:44] Certainly, thank you, worship.

[1:04:47] Yes, with this at the OCP level, what this amendment effectively does is it's similar to what we designated the other village centers with a few added policies.

[1:05:00] So that with this would bring a little bit of additional commercial intensity as well as policies to support the additional height.

[1:05:12] So it's quite similar to the other village centers with a few added policies specifically for the development to accommodate the future zoning changes potentially.

[1:05:27] So

[1:05:30] if I can continue with the conversation, then the issue that's been raised is about

[1:05:34] building height or stories.

[1:05:37] What will be permitted given this OCP at this stage?

[1:05:42] So how it sits now there is policy that is, the policy is worded to consider heights greater

[1:05:48] than 16 stories.

[1:05:51] So right now currently the max is still 16 stories and are zoning by law.

[1:05:57] So what the policy does is allow for potential future amendments to consider that extra height based on some public benefit

[1:06:08] and amenities.

[1:06:10] So with the next stages, there would still be some sort of planning tool that would be required whether it's a site-specific

[1:06:17] text amendment or variance or zoning change to allow for that additional height anywhere above 16 stores.

[1:06:25] So that would return to council at some future date.

[1:06:30] Yes, that's correct.

[1:06:35] Thank you.

[1:06:37] Council, any other questions to Mr. Miles?

[1:06:44] Seeing none, I'll call the question all in favor.

[1:06:48] Those opposed? Seeing none, motion is carried.

[1:06:53] We'll move now to zoning text landscape regulation updates by law 6082

[1:06:58] two of 2026, if I get the wrong one,

[1:07:05] absolutely.

[1:07:07] Ms. Wood, I'd like to know who's in charge sometimes.

[1:07:11] Ms. Wood.

[1:07:12] Your worship, in regards to this file,

[1:07:16] there has to be an amendment made at second reading prior

[1:07:20] to third due to the request from MOTT

[1:07:24] to add that red statement within the presentation.

[1:07:30] So I've created a motion here of Council is comfortable with it that would add the wording of the less superseded by a applicable provincial legislation.

[1:07:40] So that would have to be done first.

[1:07:44] Seconded, Council is acquiring.

[1:07:47] So we're going to move the first motion first and then this motion second.

[1:07:51] All in favor?

[1:07:53] Those opposed? Motion carried.

[1:07:54] Now, a motion for the text amendments.

[1:08:02] Councilor Guy, Councilor Chair,

[1:08:06] any comments?

[1:08:08] Seeing none, call the question, all those in favor of those.

[1:08:12] Post motion is carried to imagine a text amendment if we hadn't been going for ten and a half

[1:08:18] hour.

[1:08:19] We might really have a debate.

[1:08:20] We'll move to the next item, zoning text, various text amendments, amendment by law 6083 of

[1:08:29] 2026, Councillor Gareth.

[1:08:33] Councillor Guy,

[1:08:36] any comments?

[1:08:39] Go ahead, Councillor Quarring.

[1:08:42] Oh yeah, I cut you off when you were driving off for the 30% slope.

[1:08:48] Go ahead, Councillor.

[1:08:49] I'm still not used to getting cut off.

[1:08:53] So eight years.

[1:08:54] Is there a way

[1:09:05] we can insert into this that something in excess of 30% triggers the requirement

[1:09:15] for a development permit?

[1:09:17] Just to avoid the poor person that is coming in for building permit and hasn't done a

[1:09:30] So I like that's that's what I'm trying to avoid. I mean, Mr. Broderick, you've been around this a few times.

[1:09:39] Yeah, thank you, your ship. It counts requiring it. Going by that typically doesn't round back to OCP regulations.

[1:09:49] It's that there is the regulation for a development permit for hillside, you know, one to 30% slope.

[1:09:57] or a certain trigger to do a development permit.

[1:10:02] It is on the onus of an applicant to get familiar

[1:10:04] with the different planning documents to open

[1:10:08] to debate to have a section in the zoning by-law

[1:10:12] to say a development permit is required.

[1:10:14] I generally, it's not a good practice to do that, I would say.

[1:10:17] But that's my feeling on it.

[1:10:22] Well, you could.

[1:10:23] Yeah.

[1:10:24] What about requiring?

[1:10:25] All right.

[1:10:25] Thank you, Ms. Mayor.

[1:10:28] What about, like aren't there requirements when you're on the lakefront?

[1:10:35] When you're within a riparian area, regulation 30 meter, you require a DP.

[1:10:45] Where's that found in the, is that in the OCP?

[1:10:48] Yeah, so that would be in the community plan in the designation of the waterfront, the

[1:10:54] aquatic development permit areas, and if you're in an provincial statute, if you're building

[1:11:00] within 30 meters, you need to evaluate your streamside protection enhancement area and

[1:11:06] go through that development permit.

[1:11:08] I mean, I'm okay with like, I just wanted to see what I said, but I'm okay, I'm not going

[1:11:16] have fallen my sword on this. You're absolutely correct. It's up to the applicant to get themselves acquainted with what they're trying to develop. So I'm good.

[1:11:27] Mr. Barton.

[1:11:29] Thank you, Mr. Barton.

[1:11:30] From a planning department perspective, public education and certainly applicant knowledge is one of our key objectives to ensure that a property owner has all or the best information possible.

[1:11:44] So you can imagine the planning world, it's a lot.

[1:11:46] It's a lot.

[1:11:47] We talk about this almost every week, how to be able to get the right process out, the

[1:11:51] right information out.

[1:11:52] And so a tool that we've been, that other municipalities use, and we've been slowly

[1:11:57] bringing it on here is information bulletins.

[1:12:00] Again, it's not necessarily a one-size-fits-all, but certainly as much public education as we can

[1:12:06] get out there, that if we wanted to do a public notice on how to apply for a pool permit.

[1:12:13] Right, it would be a one page or a two page quick little, quick little snapshot.

[1:12:19] We've done up about 10 or 15 of these on any number of planning topics.

[1:12:23] We try and have a paper copy at our front window.

[1:12:25] We also try and publish a PDF online.

[1:12:28] There's no reason why a topic like that as to how to install a pool in a hillside area

[1:12:34] couldn't have a bit of a bulletin.

[1:12:38] And then to be, as we're updating the website,

[1:12:41] one of the key things is then to introduce AI,

[1:12:43] where if a person starts to type in the key words

[1:12:47] that is directly linked to this bulletin.

[1:12:49] So we have some work to do,

[1:12:51] but I would suggest that any number of planning topics

[1:12:53] are complex.

[1:12:54] Our objective is very consistent with what you said,

[1:12:57] of trying to get the right information,

[1:12:59] the right process out.

[1:13:00] The number one objective is to have an applicant make,

[1:13:04] make a full application from day one is the easiest part for us to be able to administer

[1:13:11] and when they don't submit the right information or we have to backtrack it's not only a pain

[1:13:15] for a council complaint it's a pain for us to be able to administer that as well we don't

[1:13:19] like it either and so to be able to get that information out is important so that's yet another

[1:13:24] tool and certainly we could try and create like an information bulletin on the specific topic.

[1:13:33] I think all the major developers of the five or six major hillside are a lot easier

[1:13:43] to contact.

[1:13:44] We're in touch with them almost every week, and so the major players I think are quite

[1:13:49] easy to be able to let them know as to what the process is, and we can do that.

[1:13:53] It's more, I think, the issue is regarding a property unit that, as you say, wouldn't

[1:13:57] of otherwise knowing that there is a DP to be able to do something small like a building

[1:14:01] addition or a pool that would normally just require a building permit.

[1:14:05] So I think that's the bigger issue than the major developers.

[1:14:11] Just to follow that up, I think a really good point what you're making is an information

[1:14:15] bold and it says, if you're doing anything on slope greater than 30%, here's what falls

[1:14:21] out.

[1:14:22] just so that they would immediately go, oh, okay, I'm in a different whole

[1:14:28] kettle of fish here.

[1:14:31] All right, we've heard from Council

[1:14:34] requiring much appreciated. I just wanted to put them in the right box. It's kind of

[1:14:39] a comfortable thing as mayor eight years on.

[1:14:43] Council, any more comments? Seeing none,

[1:14:47] I'll call the question all those in favor? Those opposed? Seeing none? Motion is

[1:14:51] It's carried,

[1:14:55] meaning closed.

[1:15:00] I may agree to approve one. Your kind. You can't the honest thing, this is

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