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going to go ahead and call this August
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17th, 2026 meeting of the Whitefish City
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Council to order. Thanks everyone for
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attending in person. We also have some
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folks joining remotely via Zoom,
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including Councelor Kalabiano, who is on
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fire duty. and thank you for joining us
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tonight. Uh just be remotely I
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appreciate it. We will start with our
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pledge of allegiance and Mike Copel. Do
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you mind leading us?
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liberty for all.
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» Thank you, Mike. We'll move on to
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communications from the public. We do
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have our FY27 budget on the agenda for
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this evening, which is advertised as a
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public hearing in addition to the tax
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levy and assessments, which we will take
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as one public hearing if that's okay
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with our city manager. Um, otherwise,
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anything you'd like to bring to the
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attention of the council that's either
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on the agenda or otherwise, and now
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would be your opportunity. Name
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addressed for the record, please. Toby,
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» I just have a request of you
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and that is to request of the middle
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school perhaps a uh
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educational moment for the students
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there regarding riding bicycles
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and pedestrians especially electric or
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motorized bikes and things like that.
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You know, it's summertime and the kids
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are off and they're just crazy going
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everywhere. And I've seen kids ride
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electric bicycles right down the
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sidewalk. I mean, in town, not on
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Central Avenue, but I have seen it on
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other avenues. And uh it might be
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something that the city should ask the
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middle school to either draw up a paper
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on regulations and proper conduct on a
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bicycle
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in within the city. That's all.
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Thank you, Toby.
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Ma'am,
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» hello. My name is Marcela Williams and
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I'm a resident here in Whitefish
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and I'm also raising young adults who I
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would really like to be able to move
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back here one day. Uh, and I am asking
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that we allocate $250,000
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uh of our resort tax towards Habitat for
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Humanity. Um, they have a proven track
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record of success here in the valley. uh
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not just in Whitefish but also in uh Sea
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Falls as well as Kalispell and they have
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their foot on the gas here right now as
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we speak breaking ground tomorrow which
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is super exciting and I know that
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there's room for expansion right there.
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So I would just like to put it out there
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that housing is one of the biggest
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problems that we have in the valley. Uh,
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and uh, we have to be able to support
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our teachers and our first responders
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and and and people that really want to
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live and work here, including food and
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beverage as well. And I know that
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restaurants suffered all summer because
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they couldn't find people to work. And
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the number one reason why is because
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they didn't have housing. So, not only
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do we um reduce risk of injury because
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they're not having to travel as far, but
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we also um work to keep people in the
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valley that want to live and work here.
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So, I'm just asking that you consider
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allocating another 250,000. They could
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put it to use right away and build at
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least two more homes, which that's two
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more families. That's children that
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would grow up here and and they would
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really thrive right here in this
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community. So, please consider it and
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thank you very much.
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>> Thanks, Miss Williams.
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» Jamie.
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>> Hello. I'm Jamie Goen. I too am a
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resident of Whitefish and I would like
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to say that everything Marcelo Williams
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just said verbatim ditto. Speaking as an
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employer, uh, this has been very real
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and
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seeing housing go up and is very
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exciting and I think the town is very
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excited. I'm really excited that we got
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your blessing last for the last year's
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uh allocation to build on White Fish
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Avenue which is breaking ground tomorrow
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in a meaningful way. And so just wanted
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to say thanks. This is really really
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great. I've really enjoyed this
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experience working with you guys. The
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other only other thing I'd like to bring
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up is along Edgewood Avenue uh at the
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stop signs of Dakota and Iowa uh the
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grasses are very tall and sometimes the
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people are very short and They're
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walking and then they're about to
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they're on the crosswalk. I worry
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because a lot of people don't really
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stop. They just kind of touch and roll.
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So, just as a public safety concern, I'd
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just love to see some of those hedges
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cut back a little ways so that as people
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are walking, we see them in time to stop
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before they hit the crosswalk. Thank you
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very much.
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>> Thank you, Jamie.
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Alan.
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Hi, I'm Alan Went. I'm an engineer with
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AE2S here in support of the water master
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plan tonight. Um, I'm responsible for
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the plan and I just wanted to talk a
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little bit about the process we went
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through. Um, there were a number of
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alternatives that we considered. Not all
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of them made it. Uh, the numbers
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actually got quite large and daunting
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once you start looking at the cost of a
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lot of these public infrastructure type
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product projects. Um, there are number
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of projects that are right on the cusp
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and and didn't make it, but I'm sure
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they'll be on it in coming years. I will
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be available throughout this meeting
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should you guys have any questions for
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me.
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>> Thank you, Alan. Appreciate it. We'll
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address you if needed during the budget
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deliberations. Cameron
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>> Cameron Blake, 825 Lexan Trail in
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Whitefish. And I'm also here to support
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Habitat for Humanity's request for the
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250,000 for two more homes on White Fish
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Avenue. Um the we're actually digging
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for the foundation tomorrow. So, sorry
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we broke ground, but the foundation is
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starting to go excavation for the
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foundation is going in. Um I think Jamie
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and Marcela have covered a lot of the
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needs and you guys know this, but
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Habitat, I mean, it's a tangible, it's a
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fraction of what's needed, but it's a
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tangible start. Um the four homes if we
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improve the two more will be in place
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families in them by middle of next year
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which is starting to solve the problem.
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A long way to go. Uh I just wanted to
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add that we're seeing incredible
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community support. As you guys know, the
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Great Fish Challenge is underway and
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Habitat's been um we're over 100,000
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raised from the community and 140
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donors. So there's widespread community
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support for what we're doing um and have
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incredible momentum as they commented. I
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want to make a suggestion that I know on
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White Fish Avenue we're still waiting
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for permits and I guess we can excavate
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without permits so we're moving forward
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but it's a everything has really slowed
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down is my understanding with permitting
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and if there's any way the city could
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prioritize permitting for affordable
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ownership housing I think that would
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help to speed up what's solving the
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problem a bit you know even if it's a
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month or two here or there. So, I don't
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know if there's anything that can be
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done there, but that's a suggestion
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towards a solution. Thank you.
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>> Thank you, Cameron. Further public
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comment, Richard,
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» mayor, counselors, Richard Iner, 104th
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Street. I just want to thank um Dana and
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whoever else might have been involved in
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extending the public comment period for
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the CWP draft. uh two weeks was really
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short and hard to meet and thanks for
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extending that a week and I think
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hopefully that you got more comments and better information. Um but what I'm
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also interested in is what are the next
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steps and what are the timelines for
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those next steps in the next part of the
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CWP. I also want to say that I support
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Habitat's request for that $250,000.
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They're they're right at they're out of
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the gate and down the track and we
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should do everything we can to keep them
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going at full speed. Thank you.
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>> Thank you, Richard.
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>> Further public comment this evening.
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» Hello,
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I'm Carolyn Pitman. I live at One Tides
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Way Whitefish. I came into Whitefish 49
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years ago this week. And it's been my
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privilege to work here, live here, and
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raise my family here. And many of you
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are doing the same thing. I think that
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we have an opportunity now to offer that
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same privilege to other people, people
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who can live here and work here. And we
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can do that through Habitat for
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Humanity. We have the opportunity to
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purchase another lot for two more homes.
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This makes four. It seems small, but
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there is an energy and an enthusiasm
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about this project and this endeavor
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that reminds me of the many, many
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projects that have been successful in
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this community. So, I urge you to buy
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the lot. Thank you.
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» Thank you, Carolyn.
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» Hello, Matthew.
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resil
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management plan. Um, this plan
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recommends Scott and telemetry
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improvements at Grass Mountain facility
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because real-time monitoring would allow
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city staff to manage those facilities
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more efficiently and respond to problems
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quickly. at Grass Mountain. The plan
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specifically notes currently staff have
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to travel to the facility and manually
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check that equipment and record
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operation conditions. I would encourage
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the council to please apply that same
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standard to Haskell Basin. In fact, the
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need is arguably greater at second and
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third creek diversions. These facilities
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are miles into the backcountry
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mountains. During the winter, they
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require over snow travel on unmaintained
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roads. consumes staff time and also
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introduces city staff to very real
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safety considerations. Uh I've done
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backcountry snow survey work with the
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USDA. I'm quite familiar with tracked
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vehicles in backcountry settings and
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those risks. Uh the telemetry would
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eliminate the need for staff to inspect
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and maintain these facilities. It would
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not, but it would eliminate the
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unnecessary trips if they're going up on
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a monthly basis to check on these
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facilities through the winter months in
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particular. But throughout the year,
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there's an opportunity there to be more
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responsive to current conditions.
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Um, these real time monitoring flows
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would allow the city
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uh how to actually know how much water
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is being diverted currently and how much
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remains in those streams. The
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information the draft
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reports acknowledges that there's not
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well documented understanding of what
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actually flows in those creeks and what
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we're what we're drawing out of those.
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This approach would also directly be
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consistent with the city's climate
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action plan which calls for protecting
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those municipal wersheds and maintaining
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strong monitoring programs to manage and
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adapt to changing climate conditions.
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The draft already recognizes the value
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of modern remote monitoring elsewhere in
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the city's water system. I'm asking the
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council to apply that same standard to
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Haskell and those tributaries ensuring
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telemetry and real time flow monitoring
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at second and third creek diversions are
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included in the water facility
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management plan. Thank you.
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>> Thank you, Matthew. I should have
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indicated that that is scheduled for a
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public hearing, but we'll take your
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comments on the record during
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communications. So, thank you very much.
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Any further comments from the public?
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Any volunteer board reports,
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sir.
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» Evening, Ryan Walther. I'm the chair of
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the climate action plan committee. Um,
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thank you for uh
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commissioning the drafting of the CWP.
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It is a very important document. I think
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you know anybody tracking the news
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um can see how catastrophic a fire could be to the culture, the community,
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the economy here. Um I echo Richard's
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comments on extending and gratitude for
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extending the comment period. Um,
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I think the
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uh the process from now um is to
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incorporate comments, review how those
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comments have been incorporated
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um and to share with the public once
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again. I look forward to that and so
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does the rest of the committee. Um, I
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think there was a bit of news recently
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um from Sanders County that showed that
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um the BNSF train caused a small fire
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there which was thankfully put out. Um,
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I think that goes to show the importance
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of uh crossing our tees and dotting our
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eyes on this report. Uh, and again,
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thanks for your attention to that issue.
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and I look forward to reviewing the next
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version. Thanks.
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>> Thank you, Ryan, and for your service on
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the committee.
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Further volunteer board reports from the
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audience.
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Michelle, anyone online? That be
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council
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Frank? I have one uh an update from the
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park board and something I think is
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incredibly important for this group as
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well as um all the public. There's been
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a request uh for a proposal for a stage,
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a permanent stage of some size at depot
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park. Um and given the history of the
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formation of that park and how we put it
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together, um the parkboard fence since
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there's been a pretty significant uh
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press for it, there is some public
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support for it. We've decided to take it
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under or the parkour is uh directed uh
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that we do an actual
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scientific survey of the public to see
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if we can't figure out what we should
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really be doing, whether we should even
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be considering. um putting a permanent
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park uh stage structure in the park. Um
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there's going to be a uh uh community engagement u meeting September
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16th at 6 o'clock uh at city hall. Um
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and I encourage any and all of us to
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attend um and see what what's being said
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because it's I think it's it's a
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significant enough uh request and to how
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the park is being operated now
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that I think we really ought to be
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paying attention.
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Thank you.
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>> My only comment to that, if I may, is I
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think the time has come for us to
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consider a permanent band stand and I
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think it's all about
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scale in relation to the park because
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there's enough demand for that and like
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our trails etc. We either manage it or
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we don't. I think it's time to manage
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live music in the park, which I think
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would be a significant benefit to this
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community. I think the public comments
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going to come out resoundingly in favor.
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With that said,
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>> and that's the reason we're doing it.
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Thank you.
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>> Further volunteer board reports.
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Rebecca,
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>> yeah, just the climate action committee
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met. Um Ryan mentioned that we reviewed
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the wildfire plan.
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There's some feedback that it was a
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little bit to read and not very user
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friendly and so sorry but um so we're
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anxious about the next stage of what
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happened. So maybe at the end of the
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meeting we could talk about that. Um but
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Richard showed up and talked about fire
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again and presented another um plan from
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the North Fork which was really helpful.
[20:04]
Um, and then there was a tour of the
[20:07]
sustainability center and then the the
[20:10]
teacher that runs that came to the
[20:12]
meeting and talked about how the
[20:14]
community might be more supportive in
[20:16]
using that center um to produce more
[20:19]
food. Um, and we're still working on the
[20:26]
I don't know what the modeling using a
[20:29]
lot of math um on whether or not we met
[20:32]
our goals of reducing our carbon
[20:35]
footprint by 26%. So that will be coming
[20:39]
in the future.
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>> Thanks Rebecca. Any additional volunteer
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board reports from the council?
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Not seeing any. You have the consent
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agenda enclosed in the packet from the
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August 3rd, 2026 special as well as as
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well as regular meeting. I would
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entertain a motion.
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>> Rebecca,
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>> make a motion to approve the consent
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agenda without change.
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>> Is there a second? Second. Seconded by
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councelor Sweeney. Further discussion?
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Showing of hands in favor, please. That
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motion does carry unanimously,
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Michelle. Which brings us on to our
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first
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public hearing. Actually, if it's okay
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with our city manager, Dana, we do have
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the FY26 budget amendments. Would you
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like to take those as individual
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hearings or kind of group those along
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with the budget tax levying assessments?
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>> So, I would um recommend holding a
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public hearing for the fiscal year 26
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budget amendments and then a separate
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public hearing for the fiscal year 27
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budget amendments. Um, and that would
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include all the resolutions under each
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of those items.
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>> Okay.
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With that said, we did advertise for a
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public hearing on resolution 26-22
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amending the 2026 fiscal year annual
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budget to increase appropriations in
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three funds of the city. And we will
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take public comment on this item now.
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Any public comments?
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Anyone online? Michelle,
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» for those of you who are attending
[22:23]
online, would you if you would like to
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speak towards the amendments for the
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FY26 budget, please raise your hand.
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I think we're good.
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>> Thanks, Michelle. I'll turn it back to
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the council for a motion or discussion.
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I move to um approve resolution number
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26-22,
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a resolution amending the 2026 fiscal
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year annual budget to increase
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appropriations in three funds of the
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city. Do you want me to read them?
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>> No.
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>> Record. Okay.
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Sorry, we're trying to get out of here.
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I deserve a second to the motion
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seconded by councelor Cornell. Further
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discussion Jeppy any comments?
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All those in favor please raise your
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hand. Those opposed like sign and that
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motion does carry unanimously
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which brings us on to resolution 26-23
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which we did advertise for a public
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hearing and public comment tonight
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ordering the transfer of excess amounts
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in the special improvement district
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number 166 fund and the SID revolving
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fund.
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>> Dana, anything to add?
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» Laney?
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>> Sure.
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Hello council and mayor. Um yes, for
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this particular resolution um um let's
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see I had to cut out some of my
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presentation here. Um the resolution to
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increase appropriations of resolution
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2623 orders transfers out of the SID 166
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bond debt fund to close out the fund and
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out of the revolving bond fund to reduce
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cash reserves to appropriate levels.
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staff recommends approval of this
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resolution.
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>> Thank you, Laney. We will take public
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comment at this point. Any comments from
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the public on this hearing? Richard,
[24:39]
» just a quick question. Does that have
[24:44]
street
[24:46]
and does this have any impact on whether
[24:49]
or not we can squeeze um the request
[24:53]
from Habitat uh for uh additional funds
[24:58]
or would it affect how we can ask for
[25:01]
additional funds for the proposed
[25:03]
project that you'll hear about later in
[25:09]
» does either one of the SID 166 or the
[25:12]
revolving fund have those kinds of
[25:14]
monies in them that could be used. So um
[25:17]
what is proposed here and and what will
[25:19]
occur for fiscal year 26 is moving funds
[25:21]
from SID 166 fund which is a special
[25:24]
improvement district for JP road that
[25:26]
has been the bond has been paid in full
[25:28]
that has been moved to the revolving
[25:30]
fund which then placed the revolving
[25:31]
fund into a higher amount in that fund
[25:34]
than legally allowed by state law which
[25:36]
is up to 10% of the current outstanding
[25:38]
principle. that amount um we retained
[25:42]
the amount contributed in the revolving
[25:44]
fund for SID 166 which is our only SID
[25:47]
outstanding which is the parking
[25:48]
structure and so that that amount of
[25:51]
funds was actually transferred to the
[25:52]
general fund and is already represented
[25:54]
as cash in your fiscal year 27 budget
[25:56]
that we'll review shortly. Thank you,
[25:59]
Dana.
[25:59]
>> Have no effect on the projects that you
[26:03]
>> Thanks, Richard. Michelle, anyone online
[26:04]
wishing to provide public comment?
[26:09]
» Those of you who are online, if you'd
[26:11]
like to speak towards the resolution
[26:13]
regarding SID 166 funds, please raise
[26:17]
your hand.
[26:23]
» I think we're good.
[26:25]
>> Thank you, Michelle. I would entertain a
[26:26]
motion, please. Resolution 26-23.
[26:30]
Frank,
[26:31]
>> I'll move to approve resolution uh
[26:34]
26-23, a resolution ordering the
[26:37]
transfer of excess amounts in the
[26:40]
special improvement district 166 fund
[26:42]
and the SID revolving fund. Is there a
[26:45]
second to the motion?
[26:47]
>> Seconded by councelor Davis. Further
[26:49]
discussion, Jeppi.
[26:53]
All those in favor of the motion, please
[26:54]
raise your hand. and those opposed like
[26:57]
sign and that motion does carry
[26:59]
unanimously. Thanks Dana and Laney. Uh
[27:03]
we will move on to our FY27 budget tax
[27:07]
levy and assessments public hearing. I
[27:10]
will entertain one
[27:13]
uh staff presentation on resolutions
[27:16]
26-24
[27:18]
through 26-33
[27:22]
if that's okay with the council. And we
[27:25]
will entertain one motion for the actual
[27:29]
budget and then one motion for
[27:32]
resolutions 26-25
[27:35]
through 33 of final adoption of the
[27:38]
budget. Dana,
[27:41]
>> good evening, mayor and city council.
[27:43]
It's my pleasure to present um the
[27:45]
proposed final fiscal year 2027 budget
[27:47]
for your consideration. We've had four
[27:50]
work sessions and a public hearing to
[27:51]
adopt the preliminary budget tonight. um
[27:55]
because we've had so much work done, I'm
[27:56]
going to focus on the the updates that
[27:59]
we've had since your most rec recent
[28:00]
work session and then some of the risk
[28:02]
and just policy overall um impacts that
[28:05]
we have in the budget. So, just as a
[28:08]
reminder, the state uh tax changes that
[28:10]
occurred with Senate Bill 542 and House
[28:12]
Bill 231 um introduced a graduated
[28:15]
residential rate for property taxes in
[28:19]
fiscal year 26. A homestead distinction
[28:22]
is in effect for primary residents in
[28:25]
fiscal year 27. There is a lawsuit
[28:28]
challenging those changes. Um and so we
[28:30]
will continue to monitor that.
[28:34]
Future legislation may also restrict or
[28:37]
eliminate the use of carry forward mills
[28:38]
as we have seen similar bills in the
[28:40]
past and just in this last session the
[28:43]
legislature limited the amount of newly
[28:45]
taxable value cities receive. Um, in
[28:48]
response to this risk and reducing
[28:50]
exposure, the proposed budget in the
[28:52]
council packet prudently captures an
[28:54]
additional five mills. We will monitor
[28:58]
um both of uh the implementation and
[29:00]
litigation around Senate Bill 542 and
[29:03]
House Bill 231
[29:05]
just to see, you know, how our municipal
[29:07]
budget authority will proceed in the
[29:09]
future. We do in our budget for fiscal
[29:11]
year 27 have funds for a lobbyist to
[29:13]
support staff and the city council in
[29:15]
those efforts during the next
[29:16]
legislative session starting in January.
[29:20]
And on to the revenue side of things.
[29:23]
Late um on Monday, August 3rd, the city
[29:25]
received its taxable value from the
[29:27]
department of revenue. Our certified
[29:29]
taxable value rose 16 a.5% which was
[29:32]
driven largely by the state level
[29:34]
changes affecting non- primary
[29:36]
residences. Newly taxable property
[29:38]
accounted for about 2% of that increase.
[29:41]
The net mill levy increase of 6.81 mills
[29:45]
fund market level pay and restore
[29:47]
structural balance without tapping into
[29:49]
reserves for ongoing operations. As
[29:52]
proposed, the city will use about
[29:54]
2,32,000
[29:56]
of reserves for one-time projects in
[29:58]
property tax supported funds. That
[30:00]
includes 918,000 for the depot park town
[30:03]
homes project, about uh $1.1 million for
[30:07]
capital projects.
[30:11]
Residential property tax impacts um
[30:14]
include about a 7 $7.76
[30:19]
um annual increase for a 1 million.01
[30:23]
um I guess $1 million home um that is a
[30:27]
primary residence. And so that is less
[30:29]
than a 1% increase. A the same property
[30:32]
if it's a second home or a short-term
[30:34]
rental would be facing a $615
[30:37]
increase per year or for the year. To
[30:40]
put into perspective though the state
[30:41]
changes. If the taxable values were
[30:44]
still based on the fiscal year 26 tax
[30:46]
rates and um there was no homestead
[30:49]
exemption, a home valued at that $1
[30:51]
million would see a 6.4% increase or
[30:54]
about $5166.
[30:57]
So that shows for that second home the
[31:00]
change um is so significant because of
[31:02]
the way that they've done the tax rates
[31:05]
at the state level. Our maintenance
[31:07]
assessments were adjusted based on the
[31:09]
needs of each fund while ensuring
[31:11]
adequate fund balance. So our storm
[31:12]
water assessment is being reduced by
[31:14]
20%. Residential lighting is being
[31:17]
reduced by 5%. Commercial lighting will
[31:19]
be reduced by 10%. The parks and
[31:22]
greenway assessment will increase 3% and
[31:24]
the streets ma street maintenance
[31:26]
assessment will remain flat from the
[31:28]
prior year.
[31:30]
We have a lot of capital projects within
[31:32]
the budget this year and we're
[31:34]
continuing to utilize cash that we have
[31:36]
on hand and grants. Some of our more
[31:38]
significant capital investments are
[31:40]
utilizing SRF or intercap loan programs
[31:43]
and it's uh with a reasonable you know
[31:46]
time time of debt to asset ratio uh
[31:49]
asset life ratio
[31:52]
debt um our debt profile remains
[31:54]
manageable no general obligation debt.
[31:56]
Our primary outstanding obligations are
[31:58]
water and wastewater SRF loans and our
[32:02]
uh special improvement district 167 or
[32:04]
downtown parking structure.
[32:07]
The um added mills provide tax revenue
[32:09]
to support two new inner cap loans. Um
[32:12]
one is for the ice den roof replacement
[32:14]
which um that is in the budget but we
[32:17]
will seek council direction on how to
[32:18]
proceed with that in the future and then
[32:20]
also for the uh fire department's ladder
[32:22]
truck which has been on order um and is
[32:25]
expected in fiscal year I think 28 or
[32:28]
29.
[32:30]
But at least we have the the revenue to
[32:32]
support that loan um when uh it is uh
[32:36]
arrives. Um the fiscal year budget it
[32:39]
successfully has all city positions
[32:41]
reaching market rates that were um
[32:43]
identified in the 2024 wage market rate
[32:46]
study. Um the standard adjustment is a
[32:48]
4% increase with a 2% cost of living
[32:51]
adjustment and a 2% step. Health
[32:54]
benefits um premiums increased 5%. The
[32:57]
city will be covering about 81% of total
[32:59]
premiums. It helps moderate the employee
[33:01]
impact, but also is is a cost to the
[33:03]
city.
[33:05]
New positions are added in the budget um
[33:09]
including some positions that have moved
[33:10]
from part-time to full-time, and that
[33:13]
includes a city a second city mechanic,
[33:15]
a weekend park maintenance tech, a court
[33:18]
clerk, an assistant library director.
[33:22]
These uh positions mitigate service
[33:24]
bottlenecks, reduce outsourcing and
[33:26]
improve our continuity.
[33:29]
Utilities um for water and wastewater um
[33:32]
there are rate um adjustments considered
[33:35]
in the budget. Um but um there has not
[33:37]
been a decision on what those will be.
[33:40]
Um it is likely that we'll see um
[33:42]
anywhere from a one and a half to two
[33:43]
and a half or 3% increase. Um but that
[33:46]
will be done over uh or that would be a
[33:48]
discussion that we'll have later this
[33:50]
fall. solid waste is contracted um with
[33:54]
uh Republic Services and with that
[33:56]
contract comes a 3.25% annual increase.
[34:01]
So the property tax supported uh funds
[34:04]
um have an ending fund balance projected
[34:06]
at $6.14 million. It's about 30.77%
[34:12]
of total expenditures. It is slightly
[34:14]
above the 20 to 25% targeted range. Um,
[34:18]
but that is 5% lower than the prior
[34:21]
year.
[34:23]
So in short, the fiscal year 27 budget
[34:25]
keeps Whitefish on a solid financial
[34:27]
footing. The city is positioned to
[34:29]
maintain core services, invest
[34:30]
strategically in infrastructure, and
[34:32]
respond to evolving community needs
[34:34]
while upholding long-term financial
[34:36]
sustainability. With our strong
[34:38]
reserves, targeted staffing
[34:40]
enhancements, and focused capital
[34:42]
planning, the city can continue to
[34:44]
deliver high-quality services to
[34:45]
residents and businesses regardless of
[34:48]
market fluctuations. As always, I'm
[34:50]
grateful for the contributions from our
[34:52]
department director, staff, and the city
[34:54]
council. This year's budget has been a
[34:55]
team effort with thoughtful review,
[34:57]
questions, and guidance. I am happy to
[34:59]
answer any questions you may have.
[35:01]
>> Thank you, Dana. on your staff report.
[35:03]
Any questions for our city manager on
[35:06]
the FY27 budget?
[35:13]
Steve,
[35:15]
um Dana, uh can you just repeat what you
[35:19]
said for me? I think I think I got this
[35:21]
clear. You said that um if we had if if
[35:26]
they hadn't changed if House Bill 231
[35:28]
hadn't passed where they revised the the
[35:31]
um tax rates uh for second homeowners,
[35:35]
the average person the average million
[35:37]
dollar home in Whitefish, which is about
[35:38]
average um would have gone up 6.17%.
[35:43]
>> Would have gone up [clears throat]
[35:44]
excuse me um 6.45%
[35:47]
>> 6.45%
[35:49]
>> about $51. But because of the changes,
[35:53]
we're able to hold dur under this
[35:56]
budget, we're able to hold that at less
[35:59]
than 1%
[36:00]
>> less than 1% at $7.76
[36:06]
for the year for a primary resident
[36:08]
>> as part of the city tax portion of your
[36:10]
>> just the city tax portion. Correct.
[36:11]
>> Okay. So that's like 55 cents a month or
[36:14]
something
[36:16]
>> for a million dollar home. Okay. Um and
[36:19]
so thanks for that analysis. because I
[36:20]
didn't I wasn't quite aware that it was
[36:22]
that big of a difference. That's a huge difference. Um
[36:27]
and and you also mentioned that we are
[36:30]
going to have all of our employees will
[36:32]
be up to 100% of the regional average
[36:34]
that that we came up with that we
[36:36]
learned about during our wage study.
[36:39]
>> Correct.
[36:39]
>> Under this budget. And that and then all
[36:42]
employees will get a 2%
[36:45]
increase plus a 2% step as well.
[36:47]
>> Correct.
[36:48]
>> Okay. So that's a roughly a 4% increase
[36:50]
for everybody plus the other ones that
[36:52]
are coming up to
[36:54]
>> correct. Some are already at 100% and
[36:55]
then some will will include an increase
[36:57]
up to like 5% additional.
[36:59]
>> So we're doing pretty good by our for
[37:02]
our employees at this point.
[37:04]
>> Absolutely.
[37:05]
>> Okay. Um and then we still have 30.7% in
[37:10]
the reserves or our reserves at 30 our
[37:13]
reserves will be at 30.7% under this
[37:15]
budget.
[37:16]
>> Correct.
[37:17]
>> Okay. Um, good. Uh, and but that's down
[37:21]
from 35% in the last fiscal year.
[37:24]
>> That is correct.
[37:25]
>> Okay. So, we're spending down 5%
[37:28]
of our reserves.
[37:30]
>> Yeah. It's kind of a function of
[37:31]
expenditures, too. So, as your
[37:33]
expenditures go up, um the the the
[37:35]
calculation of what you need in reserves
[37:37]
also changes. So, um, we are spending
[37:40]
down, uh, from what our beginning fund
[37:43]
balance is for the year, about $2
[37:45]
million, um, for those, uh, capital
[37:47]
projects and the depot park town homes.
[37:49]
We are not spending down for operations
[37:51]
under this, um, proposed budget, uh,
[37:54]
which is the first time in quite a few
[37:56]
years. Um, but we are spending down for
[37:57]
capital projects.
[37:58]
>> Okay. So, it's not something that would
[38:00]
be a recurring cost because that's not a
[38:02]
good use of our reserve funs. Correct.
[38:04]
>> Most are not reoccurring or they're within your control. It's not
[38:08]
like a position that you would have to
[38:10]
lay off. Um, you know, some of the ones
[38:12]
that are in there for capital that I
[38:14]
think of might that could be recurring
[38:15]
are like a patrol ve vehicle. We do
[38:18]
replace one every year. Um, we do have
[38:20]
some parks equipment, you know, that
[38:21]
you're replacing every year or five. You
[38:24]
know, it could it depends on their
[38:25]
replacement schedule. So, some of them
[38:27]
are recurring, but the the majority of
[38:29]
those costs are not reoccurring costs.
[38:31]
>> Okay. So we're not spending down the
[38:33]
reserves on things that would be that we
[38:37]
continually spend down reserves on.
[38:39]
That's I guess that's my question.
[38:40]
>> It's improved significantly. Yes. Yes.
[38:43]
Yeah. It's just the capital items where
[38:45]
you know it but operational supplies and
[38:48]
um personnel services those are fully
[38:50]
covered under this budget.
[38:52]
>> Okay. Great. Thank you. Um and then I I
[38:55]
do have a couple questions. I'm I'm just
[38:57]
confused about this this whole issue
[38:59]
with the state
[39:02]
um possibly limiting our ability to levy
[39:05]
carryover mills in the future. Um have
[39:09]
they and my understanding is that
[39:11]
they've tried to pass bills like this,
[39:12]
but they've never made it out of
[39:14]
committee or they've died somewhere
[39:15]
along the way. Is that correct?
[39:17]
>> You know, I think the league's done a
[39:18]
good job of trying to make sure that we
[39:20]
retain that right to our carryover
[39:22]
mills. Um but just like with taxable
[39:25]
value, we were this last session, you
[39:27]
know, they started at 50%. you'd only
[39:29]
get 50%. Um, lot of lobbying, got that
[39:32]
to 75%.
[39:34]
My my biggest concern is the the county
[39:37]
came out and said, "We're levying our
[39:39]
carryover mills because of the
[39:40]
uncertainty." Um, I think other
[39:42]
communities likely are as well. And my
[39:44]
concern is once they see that, they're
[39:46]
going to eliminate what's remaining.
[39:48]
>> Okay. And but they they could go back if
[39:52]
they wanted to and say, "Well, actually,
[39:54]
we're going to reindex where you were
[39:56]
and we're going to reindex it to the
[39:58]
beginning of fiscal year 26 when you
[40:00]
when pe when the county hadn't and we
[40:03]
hadn't levied any extra mills, couldn't
[40:04]
they?"
[40:07]
>> Most of the tax laws are not retroactive
[40:09]
because it would have impacts to uh
[40:11]
property taxpayers. So typically the tax
[40:14]
bills are forwardlooking,
[40:16]
>> but we're talking about the Montana
[40:18]
state legislature in Helena. Correct.
[40:20]
>> Correct. Yes. But the Department of
[40:22]
Revenue, you know, has a a big job on
[40:24]
their hands. So it it would depend on
[40:26]
the legislation. Um but I would see, you
[40:29]
know, they've done it for a voted levy.
[40:30]
So our voted levy last year, we had to
[40:33]
change from a 24 voted levy. The voters
[40:35]
of Whitefish said 24 mills for our fire
[40:39]
department. and and the state did change
[40:40]
that and said sure you can keep the 24
[40:43]
mills but you have to adjust to the
[40:44]
prior year revenue collection and then
[40:47]
you're you're based on taxable value or
[40:49]
you can change to dollar value
[40:51]
assessment and then go up with our
[40:53]
calculation for 1510420. So there's some
[40:56]
stuff that's retroactive and and they
[40:57]
aren't even necessarily I guess in that
[41:00]
specific legislation I felt that they
[41:02]
weren't even letting the voters have a
[41:04]
decision because they had already made
[41:05]
that decision here locally.
[41:07]
>> Right. So I mean they they I mean, my
[41:10]
concern is that if we do this and we,
[41:12]
you know, we add these extra mills,
[41:14]
we're adding five mills, correct?
[41:16]
According to
[41:18]
>> what's in the
[41:18]
>> from what from what the original
[41:20]
proposed budget was.
[41:21]
>> Correct.
[41:22]
>> We're adding an extra five mills to try
[41:23]
to capture some of that money.
[41:26]
>> Correct.
[41:26]
>> Um, but the concern and and there's been
[41:30]
a lot of hand ringing about this um on
[41:32]
the city council about what do we do
[41:34]
about this? Um, but it just seems that
[41:38]
no matter what we do, they're going to
[41:40]
paint a bullseye around us anyway. Um,
[41:43]
and if we if we start to if we do go
[41:46]
back and levy these extra mills and we
[41:48]
go increase it from five to 10 or even
[41:51]
all the way to we have what 21 mills we
[41:53]
could levy 21 point something roughly.
[41:56]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we'll with the
[41:58]
five mills. Um,
[41:59]
>> but it just seems to me that they would
[42:01]
that I mean,
[42:03]
>> does it seem it just seems to me anyway
[42:05]
and I'll and then I'll ask you one more
[42:07]
question, I'll be done, but it just
[42:08]
seems to me that if we do that, you
[42:11]
know, that's going to draw their
[42:12]
attention even more than um than us
[42:15]
actually doing right by our city
[42:17]
residents for years and years and not
[42:19]
raising taxes. Uh, and this this five
[42:22]
mills is just to me it seems as if it's,
[42:25]
you know, $7 a year. Um the the last
[42:30]
question I have though is that if they
[42:32]
do if they do pass a law that says we
[42:34]
can't
[42:36]
um that we can't levy those uh carryover
[42:39]
mills.
[42:40]
Do those laws take effect immediately
[42:42]
and then we're we can't do anything for
[42:44]
our next budget year because I mean
[42:45]
they're not going to meet until January
[42:47]
of 2027 and then they only meet for four
[42:51]
months and in the meantime we'll be
[42:53]
preparing a new budget with the
[42:55]
possibility of saying oh looks like they
[42:57]
tried to take away our mills now we
[42:59]
should go in and levy them rather than
[43:02]
>> so they could make
[43:03]
>> Could we do a budget amendment? What are
[43:04]
our options?
[43:05]
>> Yeah. So for next fiscal year, they can
[43:07]
make their bill bill bills effective
[43:09]
upon signing. Um they can be effective
[43:11]
immediately. Typically a bill is
[43:12]
effective October one, but um for tax
[43:15]
bills, they they can make them
[43:17]
immediately effective. So if you if you
[43:19]
recall the the 2025 legislation that
[43:22]
came out about the tax rates were for
[43:25]
fiscal year 26. So they adopted them,
[43:27]
you know, by May of 2025 and that was
[43:30]
effective for our budget that fall. So,
[43:33]
or summer, I guess for kind of summer,
[43:35]
but yeah, they they can do that. They can make it effective so that
[43:38]
because we don't pass our budgets till
[43:40]
August. We don't get taxable value till
[43:42]
August. They could do changes.
[43:44]
>> Okay. Could we do a budget amendment and
[43:46]
levy?
[43:48]
>> Not on the tax levy side because we have
[43:50]
to have those to the county u by the 1st
[43:52]
of September. So, we couldn't go back
[43:54]
and levy for this fiscal year budget.
[43:57]
>> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have.
[43:59]
>> Thank you, Steve. Rebecca.
[44:02]
>> Yep. Um Dana, could you just take a
[44:04]
minute to explain how when the tiff
[44:07]
expired, we then um normally the those
[44:15]
um okay taxes would go into the general
[44:18]
fund, but um at the time the city
[44:21]
manager advised the council to eliminate
[44:25]
10 mills. And so we it's actually
[44:28]
legally what we're capable of taxing,
[44:31]
but he felt like we were in a financial
[44:33]
situation at the time where we didn't
[44:35]
need those 10 mills. Um but could you
[44:38]
explain that history because I think
[44:40]
it's kind of pertinent to right now.
[44:43]
Yeah. So um in um 2023
[44:48]
uh 2021
[44:51]
um our tiff value so with a tax
[44:54]
increment financing district the
[44:56]
increment, the amount that grows from
[44:58]
the base value, you know, until that sun
[45:00]
sets, that increment, that that growth
[45:02]
goes into a special fund at the city and
[45:04]
it's to be invested in that district.
[45:07]
Ours was a pretty large district and
[45:08]
included downtown, um, included the
[45:10]
schools where we provided funding for
[45:12]
that. When that sun sets, um, the amount
[45:15]
of value there goes back to all the
[45:18]
taxing jurisdictions. So the county gets
[45:20]
newly taxable, the school and the city
[45:22]
got newly taxable value. And our newly
[45:24]
taxable that year was $13 million.
[45:28]
Just in comparison, this year's newly
[45:30]
taxable value is 2.1 million. So big big
[45:34]
new taxable value coming in. had we
[45:36]
levied the full amount of our mills just
[45:39]
to absor to to recapture all of that
[45:41]
newly taxable would not have provided a
[45:44]
tax increase to anybody because it's
[45:46]
simply that those properties in that
[45:48]
district those mills just go back to our
[45:51]
general fund. Um so we no longer have
[45:54]
the tiff funds but that year when we
[45:56]
reduced mills by 10 mills it did reduce
[45:59]
the city's total revenue that can be
[46:00]
invested um in the city. Often we used
[46:03]
tax increment there was some personal in
[46:06]
there. But, um, it was fairly minor. I
[46:08]
think it was like $400,000. A lot of
[46:10]
those funds were used though to like
[46:12]
redevelop um downtown um helping with um
[46:16]
the bike uh pathway in front of um the
[46:19]
fire brand helping with some of the
[46:21]
projects in town as well. So, so we did
[46:23]
provide a tax decrease that year
[46:25]
actually. Um and I was city manager at
[46:27]
the time, but it was the former city
[46:29]
manager that made that suggestion. And
[46:30]
that's fine. And I I I think at that
[46:32]
time we were in a different place in
[46:34]
time with COVID and uncertainty in the
[46:37]
market. And so I think it was a sound
[46:39]
decision. Uh but I do think you know
[46:41]
when we look at our tax bill history for
[46:43]
the city from 2019 to 2026
[46:48]
our average growth is 2.5%. We have not
[46:53]
had significant increases. That doesn't
[46:55]
mean that um home values haven't
[46:59]
changed. you know, the values of the
[47:01]
homes have gone up. So, those those
[47:02]
values are up, but overall, it's an
[47:04]
average of 2.5. For that million-dollar
[47:06]
home, for an example, it was a 2.5%
[47:08]
average over those years,
[47:11]
which was far less than the other
[47:14]
jurisdictions like the county and the
[47:15]
state and the schools, which were
[47:17]
averaging closer to that six uh to 7%.
[47:22]
And the risk to not raising or
[47:25]
reclaiming the mills or using the mills
[47:28]
that are legally allowed for us to use
[47:30]
to take care of the city is that we
[47:33]
would have to limit growth or building
[47:37]
things like a second fire hall or
[47:40]
something, right? You'd have less you'd
[47:42]
have more constraint about managing big
[47:45]
projects. So yeah, so as like so as I I
[47:49]
just mentioned earlier with the five
[47:51]
added mills, we're still spending down
[47:53]
our reserves. Um of that the 918,000 for
[47:57]
depot park town homes like that we
[47:59]
already knew we were doing. That was
[48:00]
COVID um uh well state uh and local
[48:04]
fiscal fiscal recovery funds. ARPA I'll
[48:08]
just say that this is during the the
[48:09]
COVID era where we had a significant
[48:11]
about $2 million come in from the
[48:13]
federal government. So, we had already
[48:15]
identified that spend down, but that
[48:16]
still leaves about a million dollars of
[48:18]
spend down for capital. And as I
[48:20]
mentioned earlier, some of those
[48:22]
projects are reoccurring projects. And
[48:25]
so, by levying the 10 mills, you would
[48:28]
reduce that spend down of reserves. If,
[48:30]
excuse me, if you went from the five
[48:31]
added to 10 added, um you would spend
[48:35]
down about $1.4 million. That would
[48:38]
leave us with about 33.81%
[48:40]
in reserves. Um and then you know you
[48:44]
could look at in the future years this
[48:46]
year you know it would still leave a
[48:48]
spendown of capital for us of about
[48:50]
$57,000 but in the future years you
[48:53]
could use it for capital like our patrol
[48:55]
vehicles or fire apparatus or parks
[48:57]
equipment that does get um replaced
[48:59]
frequently. Um or you could utilize
[49:01]
those funds to supplement workforce
[49:04]
needs um as we grow such as adding
[49:06]
firefighters for that second station.
[49:08]
You could add a few and go out for the
[49:10]
public safety levy with a smaller dollar
[49:12]
amount. Um, you could look at adding the
[49:14]
community risk reduction coordinator
[49:16]
that was requested by the fire
[49:17]
department that I did not include in the
[49:19]
budget. Um, and that was presented to
[49:20]
you during the work session. You know,
[49:22]
we have a part-time IT position that
[49:24]
could go to full-time. We have other
[49:26]
department positions that have been
[49:27]
requested or or probably would have been
[49:30]
requested if it wasn't for my direction
[49:32]
to them to department heads that keep
[49:35]
your budgets flat as possible like
[49:37]
minimal increases. And that's been the
[49:39]
statement to department heads for the
[49:40]
past five years at least. And so what
[49:43]
would we see in a perfect world? I don't
[49:45]
know. They just have the direction from
[49:48]
me to keep stuff low. So if you had
[49:49]
those fund those funds available, you've
[49:52]
recaptured it. The cost would be for a
[49:55]
million-dollar home about $53 for the
[49:57]
year. Um a 6.62%
[50:00]
increase which for that's a primary
[50:02]
residence which is pretty close to what
[50:06]
would have happened um with the five
[50:09]
mills if the tax rates hadn't changed if
[50:12]
you remember the 6.45%.
[50:14]
Um a second home would see you know a
[50:17]
larger increase at $711 but again the
[50:20]
majority of that is the state tax rate
[50:22]
changes too. Um, and so because it would
[50:25]
have been a $100 with a 10 mil increase
[50:27]
um for the for the year um or 12.55%
[50:31]
increase. So I hope I answered your
[50:32]
question. I kind of went off on a spiel.
[50:34]
>> Yeah, I just I just wanted to have um
[50:37]
some history and then also some
[50:39]
rationale going forward. Thank you.
[50:41]
>> Thanks, Rebecca. Additional questions
[50:43]
for our city manager
[50:48]
Jeppe. Anything?
[50:50]
>> Yes. Yes, sure. I was giving priority to
[50:54]
the people in the flesh. Uh Dana, we've
[50:57]
been working a lot on this budget. I'd
[51:00]
like for you to help me uh for the
[51:03]
public public record to check a couple
[51:06]
of numbers and then I have a couple of
[51:07]
questions. Uh, am I correct that if I go
[51:12]
through the budget, this year we're
[51:14]
looking at a property tax revenue total
[51:17]
increase of 31 and a bit percent.
[51:22]
>> That is correct. Under the the budget
[51:24]
that is in the packet. Yes. Correct.
[51:27]
>> And and is it correct that we have
[51:29]
additional property tax revenue of
[51:31]
around 1.750
[51:33]
million?
[51:36]
So yes, the resort tax well the resort
[51:39]
tax are you talking about resort tax
[51:40]
relief?
[51:42]
>> No, property tax revenue.
[51:44]
>> Oh yes. Yes, correct. That's 1.743
[51:47]
additional.
[51:49]
>> Now despite what we think about what the
[51:51]
state is doing to us, uh is it correct
[51:54]
that we had a certified taxable value
[51:57]
increase of around 16.5%.
[52:01]
>> Yes, that's correct.
[52:02]
And is it correct that because of those
[52:05]
bills passed in Helena, we are quote
[52:08]
unquote saving around five mills that we
[52:12]
would have to charge to what I call the
[52:15]
residents versus the non-residents.
[52:20]
» Could you ask that again? I wasn't quite
[52:22]
following on that one. because of the
[52:25]
different tax rates. Am I correct that
[52:29]
we moved or the the state moved around
[52:32]
five mills worth of value from the uh
[52:35]
primary owners to the non- primary
[52:39]
owners?
[52:40]
>> I see what you're saying. Yes. Um yes,
[52:42]
based on the the primary residence being
[52:44]
a $7.76
[52:46]
increase versus the 615. Yes. Yes,
[52:49]
that's correct. They shifted it to
[52:51]
second homeowners.
[52:52]
>> Perfect. Now let's look at what the
[52:54]
property the resort tax is doing. The
[52:56]
gross city levy that we're looking at
[52:58]
right now it's around 80 and a bit
[53:01]
mills. Correct.
[53:05]
>> So the number of the total number of
[53:07]
mills levy levied is 60.12
[53:11]
mills.
[53:12]
>> Now there are 20 uh uh that are rebated
[53:15]
from the um resort tax. Am I correct?
[53:19]
>> Correct. Yes. Without resort tax it
[53:21]
would be yes. It' be 80.2.
[53:24]
>> Perfect. Thank you. And and the revenue
[53:28]
that comes from those five meals that
[53:30]
we're debating that we pretty much all
[53:33]
are accepting to be in the budget, it's
[53:35]
around $66,000.
[53:38]
Right.
[53:38]
>> Correct. Yes. Correct.
[53:41]
>> Perfect. I'm almost done now. I have a
[53:43]
couple questions and then I'm done.
[53:51]
Uh it it it I read that the beginning
[53:55]
fund balances came in around 5 million
[53:59]
higher than what we expected.
[54:03]
>> No. Well, that might have been like the
[54:05]
preliminary projections. Um but the the
[54:09]
beginning fund balance for our property
[54:10]
tax supported funds is 8.17 million. Um
[54:15]
we anticipated ending fiscal year 26
[54:19]
with
[54:21]
uh 6.15
[54:24]
million. So we did have additional
[54:26]
beginning fund balance um over what was
[54:30]
projected. Um that was
[54:35]
let me see I got to see what I'm looking
[54:36]
at here. Um that was mostly when you
[54:38]
look at uh you know the the $2 million
[54:42]
you look at what was spent on uh depot
[54:44]
park town homes what we're carrying over
[54:46]
that's about a million of that dollar
[54:47]
difference because you know we're going
[54:49]
to anticipate spending that down again
[54:51]
this year. Um but we just didn't utilize
[54:53]
all the funds in fiscal year 26. Um and
[54:55]
then there were some other ones uh you
[54:57]
know department savings but also um uh
[55:01]
we had additional revenue over what we
[55:03]
had projected in some of the categories
[55:05]
and then some lower than expected as
[55:07]
well. So it yeah it's a net of ending
[55:10]
the year fiscal year 26 um with 8.17
[55:15]
uh but we had projected the 6.15 again
[55:18]
take a million off that because that was
[55:19]
the depot park town homes.
[55:22]
>> So thank you. So I was incorrect reading
[55:25]
five million. So if it was 2 million
[55:27]
difference meaning we started we will
[55:29]
start the year with two million quote
[55:32]
unquote more than we thought we were
[55:33]
going to have previously. And I
[55:36]
understand 1 million comes and goes. Uh
[55:39]
2 million I is around uh three and a
[55:44]
half mills. Am I correct or I'm saying
[55:47]
it wrong? So a million dollar is closer
[55:51]
to like seven maybe it'sund seven or
[55:55]
eight 121,000 times or a million divided
[55:58]
by 121,000
[56:00]
>> right so what I where I was going was is
[56:04]
that we are starting with around eight
[56:08]
meals for 1 million or 16 meals for two
[56:12]
million uh ahead of the curve than we
[56:15]
thought before.
[56:17]
>> Correct. And I, you know, I talk about
[56:19]
Depot Park Town Homes. There are a
[56:20]
couple other projects that have carried
[56:22]
forward that we did not spend last year
[56:24]
that were gonna that was budgeted to be
[56:26]
spent and will be carried forward.
[56:27]
$150,000 for White Fish Yards, uh the to
[56:32]
Sky Park Bridge Trail. Um you have the
[56:35]
Riverbend Path, that's smaller, about
[56:37]
$25,000. Um so there have been some
[56:40]
carryover projects that weren't
[56:41]
completed in fiscal year 26, but are
[56:43]
carry forward. So those costs just carry
[56:45]
forward as well.
[56:47]
Okay, thank you very much. Thank you,
[56:49]
mayor, for letting me speak so long with
[56:51]
Dana.
[56:52]
>> Thank you, Jeppi. Further questions for
[56:54]
our city manager, Andy.
[56:58]
>> Dana, if you could just describe for us
[57:00]
a little bit because you are the
[57:01]
gatekeeper of the budget and everything
[57:02]
filters up to you and then you provide
[57:04]
that filter for what ultimately ends up
[57:06]
in either on our screen or in our book
[57:08]
that we get. And
[57:10]
I know that a lot of things get called
[57:12]
out in that process and I just wondering
[57:14]
if you could tell us a few of the things
[57:16]
that we are not funding in this budget
[57:19]
that were department requests.
[57:20]
>> Yeah. So that's that's a good question.
[57:23]
So as I mentioned like the the one that
[57:25]
stands out from a from a workforce uh
[57:28]
first we'll go into that the community
[57:30]
uh risk reduction specialist. Um I see
[57:33]
very important value in that position.
[57:35]
we're wrapping up our CWPP. Um, that's
[57:38]
going to take a huge implementation
[57:40]
effort that our current fire department
[57:42]
staff just do not have the capacity to
[57:44]
do. And so when I see that project come
[57:47]
forward, I think it's a very important
[57:49]
position. That said, budget's tight. I'm
[57:53]
not asking the council for another
[57:55]
position. I, you know, I prioritize and
[57:57]
I've had like the mechanics been asked
[57:58]
for for probably three years and it and
[58:00]
I'm I'm putting the department heads at
[58:02]
notice like, yeah, you can request
[58:03]
something, but it's not necessarily
[58:04]
getting filled. So, um I'm sure there
[58:06]
are other positions that might be
[58:07]
necessary um or you know will be coming
[58:10]
up in the future. Um but so from a a
[58:12]
workforce perspective, there's that. Um
[58:15]
from capital perspective, uh the police
[58:18]
department needs another patrol vehicle.
[58:19]
We're putting one in the budget. They
[58:21]
actually need two. Our our police
[58:23]
vehicles are running all day, you know,
[58:25]
every day. And so they rack up a lot of
[58:28]
miles. And then, you know, you look at
[58:31]
um I'm trying to think of other ones off
[58:34]
the top of my head. Um just because of
[58:36]
the direction that I've provided them
[58:40]
to minimize their budget increases,
[58:43]
I think I haven't even seen what is out
[58:46]
there that they could actually utilize.
[58:49]
Um parks and wreck, we need to replace
[58:50]
the tree grates downtown. Whose
[58:52]
responsibility is that? Um where are we
[58:54]
going to find the funding for that?
[58:55]
That's one that has just come up. and um
[58:58]
benches and downtown garbage cans come
[59:01]
out of our uh general fund. Those things
[59:03]
are not in this budget that um are
[59:05]
projects that we see value for the
[59:07]
community. Um finishing up that bear
[59:09]
resistant garbage containers from
[59:11]
basically I think it's Second South um
[59:13]
on Central Avenue to again, you know,
[59:15]
inform the public that we live with
[59:17]
bears. It's really important to have
[59:18]
those garbage containers. Those are just
[59:20]
all these different projects that we've
[59:21]
just cut because they might be um
[59:25]
we can wait a little longer. vehicle um
[59:28]
till next year, but we're going to have
[59:29]
another one in next year's budget is
[59:31]
realistically what it's going to happen.
[59:32]
Um and then you know the garbage cans
[59:34]
just they are what they are. So those
[59:37]
are those are some of the projects, but
[59:38]
again I I think there's more out there.
[59:40]
You also can look at our capital
[59:41]
improvement plan. Quite honestly, if you
[59:42]
look at the capital improvement plan for
[59:44]
our um police, fire, and parks, there
[59:48]
are significant capital projects that
[59:50]
have been pushed out in years simply due
[59:52]
to funding.
[59:55]
» Thank you.
[59:57]
Additional questions from the council.
[1:00:01]
We did advertise for a public hearing
[1:00:03]
and I will take public comments on
[1:00:05]
resolution 26-24
[1:00:09]
which is our FY27 budget taxi
[1:00:13]
excuse me tax levy and assessments which
[1:00:16]
includes resolution 26-24
[1:00:20]
I believe through resolution 26-33.
[1:00:25]
Any public comment this evening?
[1:00:28]
Mike.
[1:00:33]
» Good evening. Michael Hine, 612 Luffer,
[1:00:36]
Whitefish. I don't have a strong feeling
[1:00:39]
about the coming debate between five and
[1:00:41]
10 mills and what's going to happen, but
[1:00:44]
I would say that
[1:00:47]
the reserves that the city's holding are
[1:00:49]
quite high, even by standards of small
[1:00:52]
cities. Most small cities have a higher
[1:00:55]
reserve recommended percentage because
[1:00:59]
borrowing costs are higher. It's more uh
[1:01:03]
prone to we have wildfire risk. We have
[1:01:06]
something that could catastrophic
[1:01:07]
problems. Um but the big one is usually
[1:01:09]
revenue variance and Whitefish as a
[1:01:12]
resort community doesn't really have a
[1:01:14]
lot as much revenue variance at least in
[1:01:18]
one year um than other towns. So, one of
[1:01:23]
the three pillars of needing more
[1:01:25]
reserves for small cities might not
[1:01:27]
apply to us. Just something to consider
[1:01:30]
when we're talking about having 30% or
[1:01:32]
35% reserves. Um, how much we need is
[1:01:36]
probably as important as what projects
[1:01:39]
are being funded this year versus next
[1:01:42]
year. Um Dana makes a good point about
[1:01:45]
looking at the capital improvement plan
[1:01:47]
and trying to look at a timeline beyond
[1:01:51]
fiscal year 27 and how what it's going
[1:01:54]
to look like in 27 or 28. Um obviously
[1:01:57]
you have the risk management of what the
[1:01:59]
state's going to do with the um possibly
[1:02:04]
banning carryovers that failed last
[1:02:06]
legislative session pretty quickly. So
[1:02:09]
it may not be an imminent risk. Um, it
[1:02:12]
needs to be taken into account. Again, I
[1:02:14]
don't have a I'm not voting. So, you're
[1:02:17]
voting, but that's that's all I got.
[1:02:20]
Thanks.
[1:02:22]
>> Thank you, Michael. Ed,
[1:02:31]
» good evening. Ed Liser, 1355 Lion
[1:02:34]
Mountain Drive. Um, I wanted I I picked
[1:02:38]
up on something Dana said about um
[1:02:42]
hiring somebody to execute the CWPP
[1:02:47]
and having gone over that um thoroughly.
[1:02:51]
Um how we implement that is going to
[1:02:57]
require
[1:02:58]
somebody somebody that we don't have
[1:03:01]
right now. And you know, this is the
[1:03:05]
time of the year when, you know, we
[1:03:07]
think about Spokane and all those other
[1:03:11]
uh places that are um being affected by
[1:03:16]
wildfire and we are vulnerable. I'm I'm
[1:03:21]
telling you, as a fire behavior analyst
[1:03:23]
who spent a good portion of my career,
[1:03:28]
um that CWP
[1:03:31]
has got it right and we need somebody to
[1:03:35]
execute that. We don't have that right
[1:03:38]
now and we're just hanging out. So, I
[1:03:42]
would strongly encourage the uh council
[1:03:46]
to consider a position that takes charge
[1:03:51]
of that. Thank you.
[1:03:54]
>> Thank you, Ed. Further public comment
[1:03:57]
this evening?
[1:03:59]
Michelle, anyone online?
[1:04:02]
For those of you who are online, if you
[1:04:04]
would like to speak towards the FY27
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budget, please raise your hand.
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I think we're good.
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>> Thank you, Michelle. I would turn it
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back to the council, close the public
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hearing, and entertain a motion, please.
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» Steve, make a motion to um approve
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resolutions 26-24
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through 26-33. Is that an okay? motion
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to make. Uh those are the
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um resolution accepting and approving
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municipal budget city of White Fish for
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the 2027 fiscal year.
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>> Thank you, Steve. Is there a second to
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the motion?
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>> Seconded by councelor Davis. Further
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discussion.
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>> Steve.
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>> Yeah, I'll just I'll speak to my motion
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first.
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Um, I I know there's been a lot of uh
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disagreement over what we should do with
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the carryover mills. Um,
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and I just want to bring up a couple
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points uh that I think are relevant.
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Number one, in the matter of about a
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week and a half, we went from cutting
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things from the budget to realizing we
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have a surplus to then talking about
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raising taxes on the order of $90 a year
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from where we were with our preliminary
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budget, which is what we thought we were
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going to have to cut a couple things
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from to um when we got our our tax
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valuation. Um talking talking about the 10 mil raise. So, I I think that the five mil raise is it's a compromise.
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It's a middle ground. It keeps taxes
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flat.
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Um, if we look at what's going on in
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this country, you know, everything is
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up. Groceries are up 6%, health care,
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depending on where you work, is up to
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10%. And just in the city of Whitefish,
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I think um Dana said it's up 5%.
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Uh gas is up 10% anywhere from six to
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10%. Utilities are up 20%.
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We have mandatory increases in our trash
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and water 3% 3 and a.5%.
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And we have an opportunity to keep taxes
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level with the current budget as it's
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presented. And I think that um I think
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that is is a fair uh I think that's fair
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to the people of of Whitefish. On a
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bigger picture because I because I try
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to see things 10,000 or 30,000 feet
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by increasing taxes more. I mean, we're
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already increasing them from where we
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were from our with our preliminary
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budget, which would have been a tax a
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tax decrease again. Um, by by increasing
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taxes,
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we are saying to the people of Whitefish
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that the failures of the people in
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Helena to um to take care of all the
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other things that are not your property
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taxes, the failure of the people at the
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national level, including our
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representatives in Washington DC,
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to keep your to keep your cost of living
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low.
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We're come we're going to have to we're
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coming at looking at this from the
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perspective of okay, we're going to put
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it on you as local residents on your
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property taxes because
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uh because we can't take we haven't
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we've done a terrible job with
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everything else. You know, if we didn't
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if we weren't talking about, you know,
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the rising cost of health care,
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groceries, gasoline, utilities, all of
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those things, it would be a much more
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palatable situation to say, okay, yeah,
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we need to do this now. There are there
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are some possibly unfunded things from
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our that that come up uh during the
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budget discussions Dana has. Uh my big
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question is okay, if those are real
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priorities,
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why aren't they in the budget in the
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first place? Why haven't we been talking
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about this from the beginning? So, um,
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so I think ultimately this the five mil
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increase is a is a middle ground that
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keeps taxes, your property taxes from
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the city flat
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for this year and we'll have to wait and
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see what Helena does next year and I
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think we will be able to accommodate
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that um because people across the state
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seem seem they're able to manage it. So,
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uh, that's what I have to say about my
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motion. Thank you, Steve. Further
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discussion, Rebecca?
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>> Yeah. Um, just point of clarification.
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If I wanted to vote for the 10 mil
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increase, do we um just vote no on this
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motion and then come back?
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>> There's a motion on the table for the 5%
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mil carryover retention. And if that
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motion fails, then I would reconsider a
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second motion for
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>> Okay.
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>> discretion.
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>> Um, and I would like to speak to Steve's
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concern about um the cost to taxpayers.
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Um it I think it's actually $53 per year
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for a million dollar home, isn't it,
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Dana?
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>> For the 10 mills. Yes. For 10 mills
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versus $7.
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>> But from the from the preliminary
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budget,
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>> Rebecca has the seat.
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>> But yeah, he was referencing the
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preliminary budget which was um higher
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at just the preliminary budget without
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added mills
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>> and that was because we didn't have our
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taxable value
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>> and and I do agree that it's
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accumulative. We are living in very very
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expensive times. But um I feel like it's
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imperative that we deal with our fire
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risk and if this is one way to possibly
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fund the firefighters that we need and
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we can actually build a second fire
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station in two to three years um and get
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what like what Ed said an expert to
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manage our fire risk. I think it's worth
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it um to increase the taxes in a year
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where our taxable value came back higher
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than we expected.
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>> Thanks, Rebecca. Further comments? Ben?
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» So, I've been First of all, I would
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start by thanking staff. I know this
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budget is a tremendous amount of work.
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Um there's a million decisions that go
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into this and I know this is a difficult
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budget year but um I think the the
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revenues the reserves the finances of
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the city are very strong and I think
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that um that is largely not largely it
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is due to careful fiscal management over
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a very long period of time and I greatly
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appreciate all the efforts that go into
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that and I want to start with that
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first.
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Um I I would make a comment on the the
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that we've had over the last couple
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weeks regarding a carry the concept of
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carryover mills.
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Um, I've been thinking about this pretty
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hard and and um
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I guess for me it it has some some
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parallels to when a couple months ago we
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voted on ambulance fees and in the in
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the sense that there's two sides of the
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ar a carryover mill there's two sides of
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an argument. One is is a is a principal
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argument which says
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that a carryover mill when we come in at
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the end of a budget and add a carryover
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mill or add a mill in at the end, it
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basically says we're we're taxing
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raising tax revenue for citizens that we
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don't have an identified need for. And I think I think that's true and I have a
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hard time a very hard time with that
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personally. Um but the other side of the
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argument which is also very good is the
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fact that we are
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we live in the world we live in and
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we're creatures of the state and we have
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a game to play with our budgeting in the
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state and um
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you know the state may or may not remove
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carryover mills which might reduce our
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taxing authority going forward. So
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there's there's an argument to be made
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that we should tax more now to be able
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to have revenues in the future. Now,
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what is before us is the um the five mil
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additional version of it. And I would
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point out that
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in my brain, I'm I quite honestly I'm a
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very principal person. I sort of came
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into this discussion feeling like we
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should approve without the additional
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mills. Um as on general principle, I
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just have a very hard time with it. But
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I do recognize the situation we're in. I
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think the the version that is here feels
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like a compromise to me. We have um five
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additional mills every year. I would
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point out that that does raise enough
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funds to pay for basically everything
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Dana just brought up um including the
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wildfire um staff member um and then
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some. And um and I think I would
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personally have a very hard time very
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hard time approving a budget with with
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even more mills in that. Um and so I
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think that I'm going to support what's
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here. Um, I don't think these decisions
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are make or break for the city in any
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the magnitude of them in any way, shape,
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or form. I totally understand both sides
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of this argument, but I think for me,
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um, the principle of it is is as far as
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I can go and so um, I'm going to support
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the current motion and, uh, and I'll be
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happy with how we end up here. So,
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thanks.
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>> Thank you, Ben. Andy,
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>> well, I think you guys all know what I'm
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going to say. [laughter]
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Um, I find 10 mills, quite frankly, a
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compromised position knowing that we've
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got 21.7 laying on the table right now.
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Um, there's a part of me that says we
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should grab all 21, but I realize that's
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not realistic.
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Um, as far as identified needs, I think
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we have many of them. We had 20 hours in
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this community since the first of the
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year when we had no emergency services
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coverage. 208 hours, that's eight days
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basically.
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And at five carryover mills pickup,
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we're not hiring another firefighter for
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that. We know that even at a minimum,
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we're looking at nine firefighters to
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hire to staff a second station, which we
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have three plans before us that tell us
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that that needs to happen. We've had
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that for a long time. And I just
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know what it's like in this community
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and having been through budgets when
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we've had slowdowns, which you guys
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haven't. You've not seen that budget and
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those budgets gets difficult. Rebecca
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has. Yeah.
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>> And those and those budgets are very difficult because suddenly we're
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not generating
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subdivision
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application fees and building permit
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application fees. And we still have a
[1:14:44]
planning department with people that
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need to get a paycheck and they're
[1:14:48]
losing money every month. And that's
[1:14:50]
coming out of the general fund. That's
[1:14:51]
where those dollars come from. And when
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we can build reserves, I think that's a
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really really good thing for us to do.
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Regarded carryover mills, I agree with
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Steve's argument in part that we kind of
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don't know what the state's going to do.
[1:15:02]
And part of raising is we're dealing
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with county government and federal
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government and state government that
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can't find themselves in a brightly lit
[1:15:13]
room with a flashlight a lot of times
[1:15:15]
when it comes to fiscal matters. But I
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can't justify making a statement by only
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raising five mills
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because they're inept. I have to look at
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what makes it good for this community. I
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have to know that I'm looking forward
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and I'm seeing what our capital needs
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are going to be and they're going to be
[1:15:36]
there. And one of the things I also look
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at is we've had well let's take the 10
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mills for example
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since 2022 over a six-year period of
[1:15:46]
time even going up 10 mills this time
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the total increase on a home in the $1
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million category in this community has
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been $114.
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That's with levying additional 10 mills
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in this budget. That's not very much
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money. And why is that? Because we've
[1:16:04]
kept taxes flat. We've kept taxes flat.
[1:16:06]
We've kept taxes
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flat. And what that does in the word
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defer is essentially kick the can down
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the road. And all we're doing is we're
[1:16:15]
making future councils and we're making
[1:16:17]
future department heads and future
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cities manager
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their job much more difficult in the
[1:16:23]
future by not having a secured source of
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revenue. And I don't feel that having to
[1:16:30]
go out for voted levies to run this city
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is ever going to serve the members of
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this community in any way, shape, or
[1:16:37]
form. I think that's wrought with
[1:16:40]
trouble. I think it's something that
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maybe works once, maybe doesn't work
[1:16:44]
again. What if suddenly we don't pass
[1:16:46]
our fire department levy
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and half our firefighters go away and
[1:16:50]
we've got an empty station north of the
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vioduct? That didn't serve our community
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very well in my opinion. I guess I mean
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and I understand the keeping flat and
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I've voted for that for the last five
[1:17:02]
budgets in a row. I mean I've been with
[1:17:04]
everybody on that. But the other thing
[1:17:06]
I've learned over all the times I've
[1:17:08]
been through budgets is when you have an
[1:17:11]
opportunity to increase revenues, build
[1:17:14]
reserves, and it has minimal impact on
[1:17:16]
the taxpayers, that's the best times to
[1:17:18]
do it. We have been very very good
[1:17:21]
fiscal stewards when times are tough to
[1:17:24]
take as much out of the budget as we can
[1:17:26]
and make things as palatable and as less
[1:17:30]
painful as we possibly can for people.
[1:17:33]
So I just can't support the five mills
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and I think like I say I find 10 to be a
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compromise. So
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>> thank you Andy. Further comments? There
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is a motion on the table to
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>> Mayor, may I?
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>> Oh, just happy. I'm sorry.
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>> That's okay. I was uh waiting for
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councelor Sweeney to say his piece, but
[1:17:54]
that's okay. Uh first of all, I want to
[1:17:57]
thank Dana Laney and all of the staff,
[1:18:00]
the tremendous amount of work that went
[1:18:02]
into producing this budget. So, I
[1:18:04]
resonate what the councelor Davis has
[1:18:06]
said to that to that point, producing
[1:18:09]
not only a budget, but also to keep the
[1:18:13]
city uh financially healthy along the
[1:18:17]
years. For the record, I'm comfortable
[1:18:20]
supporting the five mill compromise of
[1:18:23]
this budget. I still have reservations
[1:18:26]
about collecting
[1:18:28]
uh additional taxes today primarily out
[1:18:31]
of concern that future legislation might
[1:18:34]
restrict the city's flexibility.
[1:18:37]
For that reason, I will not support if
[1:18:40]
there is a a new motion later. I will
[1:18:43]
not support the 10 meals or anything
[1:18:46]
more than five meals. That's a
[1:18:48]
compromise that I can support uh within
[1:18:52]
this council. Finally, I I believe that
[1:18:55]
taxing authority is not really a use it
[1:19:00]
or lose it coupon. If we don't need the
[1:19:02]
money today, we should not collect it
[1:19:05]
from the taxpayers today. Thank you.
[1:19:09]
>> Thank you, Jeppi. Further comments from
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the council. There is a motion again on
[1:19:14]
the table. Motion by councelor Cornell,
[1:19:17]
seconded by councelor Davis to adopt the
[1:19:21]
budget as presented in addition to
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resolutions 25-33
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which are our assessments and tax
[1:19:31]
levies.
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All those in favor please raise your
[1:19:34]
hand.
[1:19:36]
All those opposed like sign.
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And we have councelor Cornell Calabiano
[1:19:42]
and Davis voting in favor. Councilors
[1:19:45]
Sweeney, Fury, and Norton voting in
[1:19:47]
opposition, and I'm going to go ahead
[1:19:48]
and vote against the motion.
[1:19:51]
With that said, I would entertain a
[1:19:53]
second motion.
[1:19:56]
>> Andy, Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion
[1:19:58]
that we approve the fiscal year 27
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budget, and we would do that adopting
[1:20:02]
alternative number three as presented to
[1:20:05]
us a week ago, this past Thursday,
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and that includes capturing 10 of our
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carryover mills.
[1:20:12]
>> Is there a second to the motion?
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Seconded by councelor Norton. Further
[1:20:15]
discussion.
[1:20:18]
All those in favor, please raise your
[1:20:20]
hand. Those opposed like sign.
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And I will vote in favor of the motion.
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And that motion does uh pass on a
[1:20:28]
majority vote of the city council. We're
[1:20:30]
going to go ahead and take a five minute
[1:20:32]
break
[1:20:34]
and we'll reconvene at about
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I can't see the clock but about 8:30 I
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think. So thanks everyone.
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>> Do you need do you need glasses? I've
[1:20:43]
got him.
[1:31:18]
I'm going to go ahead and call this
[1:31:19]
meeting back to order if folks don't
[1:31:21]
mind taking their seats.
[1:31:24]
And Jeppi, you're still with us. Thank
[1:31:26]
you. We'll move on to consideration to
[1:31:28]
adopt the water master plan and
[1:31:30]
wastewater master plan. We'll start with
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resolution 26-34.
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And Craig, if you don't mind, can I take
[1:31:38]
one staff report and public hearing on
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both resolutions?
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>> That would be excellent.
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>> In fact, I'm sorry, Craig.
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>> I was going to say I wrote it as one
[1:31:48]
staff report.
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>> Okay. With individual. We have one staff
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report and closed in the packet which
[1:31:53]
will be for resolution 26-34 which I
[1:31:56]
just stated as well as adopting the 2026
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city of Whitefish wastewater and storm
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water master plan. And I'll turn it over
[1:32:04]
to our public works director, Greg
[1:32:07]
Workman. Thanks Greg.
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>> Uh thank you and good evening. Um I'll
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also note that Lizzy's here, our deputy
[1:32:13]
public works director and Allan who's
[1:32:15]
introduced himself already. So, if
[1:32:16]
there's questions I can't answer or
[1:32:18]
comments that um they would like to
[1:32:20]
address, I just um ask that they have
[1:32:23]
the floor if possible. Uh so, I I did do
[1:32:27]
a staff report for both resolutions. I'm
[1:32:29]
going to um minimize this because you
[1:32:32]
have quite a few pages of actual plan in
[1:32:35]
your packet. Um and I can see a number
[1:32:39]
of uh public that likely want to
[1:32:40]
comment. So, um I'll give you the
[1:32:43]
cliffnotes version of my staff report.
[1:32:45]
Uh the city is committed to providing
[1:32:47]
the people of Whitefish with safe,
[1:32:48]
dependable, and affordable water and
[1:32:50]
sewer services now and into the future.
[1:32:54]
To ensure that commitment is met and to
[1:32:55]
provide relevant information for the
[1:32:57]
city's recently adopted growth policy,
[1:33:00]
the public works department has
[1:33:01]
completed the 2026 water master plan and
[1:33:04]
the 2026 wastewater and storm water
[1:33:06]
master plan.
[1:33:08]
Uh the water master plan is intended to
[1:33:10]
serve as the city's strategic blueprint
[1:33:12]
for managing its public water system
[1:33:14]
over the next 20 years. Uh it's broken
[1:33:17]
into several sections with
[1:33:18]
recommendations. Uh water supply and
[1:33:21]
treatment is the first. Uh there are
[1:33:24]
four major recommendations uh including
[1:33:28]
the increased usage of Whitefish Lake
[1:33:30]
water uh for our supply. uh skated
[1:33:33]
controlled actuated valve installation
[1:33:35]
to manage consumption from Haskell
[1:33:37]
Creek. Uh continued investigation into
[1:33:40]
potential groundwater or other water
[1:33:42]
supply sources that will affect um or
[1:33:45]
less affected by climate factors and
[1:33:48]
taking continuing to take steps to
[1:33:50]
reduce water usage through conservation.
[1:33:53]
Um, in the water storage section, um,
[1:33:56]
there are, uh, five individual
[1:33:59]
recommendations,
[1:34:00]
uh, including the completion of the
[1:34:02]
South White Fish water capacity project,
[1:34:04]
which I will say is is well underway
[1:34:06]
with, um, the construction of the new
[1:34:09]
milliong tank and the water man in 18th
[1:34:11]
Street. Um, investigation of potential
[1:34:14]
leakage from the raw water reservoir at
[1:34:16]
the water plant. investigating valve
[1:34:18]
closures throughout uh the transmission
[1:34:21]
mains, electrical and instrument and
[1:34:23]
control uh improvements at the upper and
[1:34:26]
lower grouse tanks and the mountain
[1:34:28]
booster stations and tanks uh to allow
[1:34:32]
remote monitoring and control. Uh
[1:34:34]
there's also a system on distribution
[1:34:37]
system analysis
[1:34:39]
um which includes the reconstruction of
[1:34:40]
the Sunrest booster station
[1:34:42]
investigation of Wait a second.
[1:34:46]
Sorry, I think I duplicated some of
[1:34:48]
that. Um so the last section was um
[1:34:50]
water storage and distribution analysis
[1:34:54]
um which also includes the continuation
[1:34:56]
of our annual pipe replacement program.
[1:34:59]
Uh the wastewater and storm water master
[1:35:01]
plan um has a detailed overview of the
[1:35:04]
wastewater system
[1:35:06]
uh as well as the wastewater treatment
[1:35:08]
plant. I'm not going to go into all of
[1:35:10]
those re recommendations, but there are
[1:35:11]
seven recommendations for um the
[1:35:14]
wastewater treatment plant, three
[1:35:16]
recommendations on the wastewater
[1:35:18]
collection system,
[1:35:20]
um and four uh lift station capital
[1:35:23]
improvement projects.
[1:35:25]
Uh and finally, the storm water system.
[1:35:28]
um plan is part of that wastewater plan
[1:35:32]
uh which includes two key projects and
[1:35:34]
two additional recommendations.
[1:35:36]
I'm happy to go into more detail on any
[1:35:38]
of that, but ultimately it is the
[1:35:40]
recommendation of the public works
[1:35:42]
department that we hold a public hearing
[1:35:43]
to consider the two resolutions you just
[1:35:45]
mentioned, which I believe were 2634 and
[1:35:48]
35.
[1:35:50]
>> Thank you, Craig. Any questions for our
[1:35:52]
public works director or deputy director
[1:35:55]
or Alan Went who's here from AE2s?
[1:36:00]
Rebecca.
[1:36:02]
>> Yeah, Craig. Um, I'm just going through
[1:36:05]
the sheet that you left us about the um
[1:36:10]
the the public comments that we got and
[1:36:15]
um could you just explain
[1:36:18]
I guess I'm a little confused about the
[1:36:23]
is it called an actuator
[1:36:25]
valve and that would be placed at the
[1:36:28]
intake versus telemetry because people
[1:36:31]
that that would like us to monitor the
[1:36:35]
discharge from Second and Third Creek
[1:36:37]
would prefer telemetry so it's more
[1:36:40]
accurate. But how far away would the te
[1:36:43]
telemetry placement be from where these
[1:36:47]
actuator valves are placed?
[1:36:51]
>> Um so the the the remote telemetry
[1:36:54]
project that's recommended um through
[1:36:57]
the public comment that we received
[1:36:58]
would be at the intakes themselves. So
[1:37:00]
up in the watershed at second and third
[1:37:03]
creeks um the actuated valve that we are
[1:37:06]
proposing and is a recommendation from
[1:37:08]
the master plan would be at the plant
[1:37:10]
itself at the essentially at the hydro
[1:37:13]
plant um just at the influent to the raw
[1:37:17]
water reservoir. So it would still use
[1:37:20]
um instrument and controls to run that
[1:37:23]
actuated valve u based on the level in
[1:37:26]
the raw water pond, but it wouldn't
[1:37:28]
require um the power source, the remote
[1:37:32]
telemetry and um the the valving up at
[1:37:36]
the intakes themselves.
[1:37:38]
>> How how far away is that te telemetry
[1:37:41]
site from where the reservoir is?
[1:37:44]
>> Uh like a long
[1:37:46]
>> feet. I don't know. It's It's over a
[1:37:48]
mile.
[1:37:49]
>> Oh, it's over a mile. Okay. And then um
[1:37:53]
the other thing that they said is that
[1:37:56]
there's a presumption that we're wasting
[1:37:59]
at least 30% of the water. Um but do we
[1:38:03]
at some point need to start accumulating
[1:38:06]
that data to see how much we are
[1:38:10]
actually spilling and letting go to
[1:38:13]
back?
[1:38:14]
>> We do have that data. Okay.
[1:38:15]
>> Um that that 30% is based on an annual
[1:38:18]
average. And so we spill a considerable
[1:38:20]
amount of water um during the higher
[1:38:23]
precipitation and higher runoff times of
[1:38:25]
the year. Um we don't spill much if any
[1:38:29]
water from the reservoir during you know
[1:38:31]
these low flow times.
[1:38:34]
>> Okay. And then um
[1:38:37]
you're recommending that the 2026
[1:38:41]
um water master plan
[1:38:45]
what that we actually evaluate how the
[1:38:47]
reservoir is leaking but you don't have
[1:38:50]
any plans for that currently. Correct.
[1:38:53]
>> Uh we don't have
[1:38:56]
we have money for it in the fiscal um 27
[1:39:00]
budget. Uh but we don't have anybody
[1:39:02]
lined up to do the actual tracer test.
[1:39:04]
Correct.
[1:39:05]
>> All right. And uh
[1:39:09]
the possibility of the wells having
[1:39:13]
ground groundwater support around the
[1:39:17]
reservoir. Is that the idea is that you
[1:39:19]
would use groundwater to supplement the
[1:39:22]
reservoir? Um, I guess I'd rather that
[1:39:26]
come up in public comment so the the
[1:39:28]
individual making that request could explain that.
[1:39:32]
>> Okay. And then the I guess this is just
[1:39:34]
a general question that I don't know is
[1:39:37]
when there's a lot lot in there about
[1:39:40]
what our water rights and the golf
[1:39:43]
courses water rights. Um, but what I
[1:39:46]
don't know is if we use up all the
[1:39:50]
water, even if we have the water rights
[1:39:52]
to do that, causing damage downstream
[1:39:56]
where there are actually dry creek
[1:39:58]
breads that harm someone else's
[1:40:01]
property, are we liable in some way?
[1:40:06]
>> I don't know that I can answer that. I
[1:40:08]
mean, we have we have a right to take
[1:40:11]
the water from the state of Montana. Um,
[1:40:14]
I don't know that the water rights speak
[1:40:16]
specifically towards downgrade
[1:40:18]
degradation or downstream degradation.
[1:40:21]
>> Does our attorney have any comment on
[1:40:23]
that?
[1:40:25]
>> I don't. Okay. All right. Thank you.
[1:40:28]
That's all for now.
[1:40:29]
>> We're we're a junior water right holder.
[1:40:32]
Um, the former Vorman Ranch is the
[1:40:35]
senior water right holder for that
[1:40:37]
basin. So unless there's a a call that's
[1:40:40]
made by the senior water right user
[1:40:44]
which I believe is Johnny Shocky now um
[1:40:47]
no
[1:40:49]
in answer to your question.
[1:40:51]
>> So John are you mayor Mofeld are you
[1:40:53]
saying that whoever has a senior right
[1:40:56]
unless they create an issue and require
[1:40:59]
us to change our water consumption that
[1:41:02]
nothing is legally um li we're not
[1:41:06]
liable in any way. Was that
[1:41:08]
>> that's correct because I think public
[1:41:09]
works has done an adequate job of
[1:41:11]
monitoring the inflow rates to
[1:41:14]
demonstrate that we're meeting our water
[1:41:16]
right permit and our claims on both
[1:41:20]
Second and Third Creek. So unless that
[1:41:23]
were to be exceeded, there is no valid
[1:41:27]
claim or complaint to be made.
[1:41:30]
>> Sure. Additional questions for Craig?
[1:41:35]
Not seeing any. We did advertise for a
[1:41:37]
public hearing on what will be both
[1:41:38]
resolutions 26-
[1:41:42]
34 as well as 35.
[1:41:45]
Any public comment this evening? And I
[1:41:47]
will limit public comment this evening
[1:41:48]
to three minutes in the spirit of
[1:41:51]
running an efficient meeting. We've had
[1:41:53]
a long week here as counselor. So please
[1:41:56]
respect the three minute rule. John,
[1:42:04]
» I'll try my best to keep it under three
[1:42:07]
minutes. Um, first of all, um, here on
[1:42:09]
behalf of the Haskell Bas and Watershed
[1:42:11]
Council,
[1:42:12]
you know that we are supporters of the
[1:42:16]
um the radio telemetry system and we
[1:42:20]
believe that's something that the city
[1:42:21]
should be pursuing. I've got hearing
[1:42:23]
aids on tonight. They were not working
[1:42:25]
so I missed an awful lot of what Craig
[1:42:27]
said. So I may say something that that
[1:42:30]
is has already been corrected and if so
[1:42:34]
I'm I apologize for that. When I was
[1:42:37]
last involved uh a few weeks ago at a
[1:42:41]
budget meeting, there was discussion
[1:42:43]
about the cost of a telemetry system and I think the council decided they
[1:42:48]
didn't have good solid information on
[1:42:49]
that. And I believe the decision was to
[1:42:53]
um leave $100,000 in the water budget
[1:42:58]
for the purpose of kind of fleshing out
[1:43:01]
what it was truly going to cost, the
[1:43:02]
full cost of a telemetry system. Is that
[1:43:06]
seem correct to you folks,
[1:43:11]
>> Craig?
[1:43:12]
>> Uh there was money council directed us
[1:43:15]
to put money in the fiscal 27 budget to
[1:43:18]
further analyze the telemetry system
[1:43:20]
$50,000
[1:43:22]
>> and it is in there.
[1:43:23]
>> Thank you.
[1:43:24]
>> Okay, that thank you. Um
[1:43:28]
and I noticed it was in the budget so
[1:43:30]
that's great. Right now, the master plan
[1:43:35]
analyzes whether or not a telemetry
[1:43:37]
system would be appropriate and then I
[1:43:40]
believe decides no, it's not going to be
[1:43:42]
appropriate. So, right now, I think the
[1:43:44]
master plan says no to that. And it
[1:43:48]
sounds like if if you budgeted
[1:43:51]
potentially $100,000 to investigate
[1:43:55]
um further, it would be good to rewrite
[1:43:57]
that portion of the report simply to
[1:44:01]
show that that the city hasn't closed
[1:44:03]
the door on the telemetry system that
[1:44:06]
it's going to be investigated over the
[1:44:07]
next fiscal year.
[1:44:10]
But that would take a change to the
[1:44:11]
actual language of the of the master
[1:44:14]
plan.
[1:44:19]
Um,
[1:44:22]
considering the number of minutes, I um
[1:44:25]
I'll race through a few things that um
[1:44:30]
I had wanted to say something about the community's dedication to to clean
[1:44:37]
water and healthy water systems and
[1:44:41]
productive lakes and rivers and streams.
[1:44:44]
When I moved to town, I learned right
[1:44:46]
away that this community really cared
[1:44:48]
about water quality. And having lived
[1:44:52]
here now 32 years, I've heard it over
[1:44:54]
and over and over that the community
[1:44:56]
really cares. Um, I was worked with the
[1:45:00]
city for 15 years and attended 15 years
[1:45:02]
worth of council meetings and I heard it
[1:45:04]
there from council members and mayors
[1:45:07]
and audience and staff. And so I I I
[1:45:10]
want to believe that. And um the new
[1:45:14]
community plan that you adopted just
[1:45:16]
recently
[1:45:18]
says basically that it says this is at
[1:45:21]
the intro. We will demonstrate
[1:45:23]
environmental stewardship and maintain
[1:45:25]
and improve our natural resources.
[1:45:28]
Whitefish is defined by its natural
[1:45:30]
environment. It had a water quality goal
[1:45:34]
of number two and that was maintain and
[1:45:36]
improve water quality of the Whitefish
[1:45:38]
area's lakes, rivers, groundwater, and
[1:45:40]
streams.
[1:45:42]
During the visioning process, a
[1:45:44]
community overwhelmingly responded. The
[1:45:46]
top three most important features to
[1:45:48]
protect were the White Fish River, White
[1:45:50]
Fish Lake, and overall water quality.
[1:45:53]
And I guess that to me is is the most
[1:45:58]
important thing for me to say tonight.
[1:46:00]
I'm hoping that sentiment is still alive
[1:46:03]
and well. Um, it's obvious and I think
[1:46:07]
the evidence is obvious that that Second
[1:46:10]
Creek and Third Creek are being
[1:46:11]
dewatered um a lot sometimes for months
[1:46:15]
at a time. Um,
[1:46:18]
that's not that's just not consistent
[1:46:21]
with a community and a a city council or
[1:46:24]
a city entity that that believes
[1:46:26]
strongly in maintaining uh water
[1:46:29]
quality. If Um, you've got to have water quality. And if there's no
[1:46:33]
water in those creeks, um, we can't even
[1:46:36]
talk about water quality. So, I'm hoping
[1:46:39]
that that sentiment remains and that you
[1:46:44]
will continue to look long and hard and
[1:46:46]
we will present to you long and hard um
[1:46:49]
further facts about why we really need
[1:46:52]
the telemetry system and then we need to
[1:46:55]
um make sure that second and third creek
[1:46:58]
receive adequate water. So, I think my
[1:47:01]
three minutes were long past up. Thank
[1:47:03]
you.
[1:47:03]
>> Thank you, John. Appreciate it. Who's
[1:47:06]
next? Samantha.
[1:47:12]
» Good evening, honorable mayor and
[1:47:14]
council members. My name is Samantha
[1:47:15]
Tapenbeck. I'm the resource
[1:47:17]
conservationist for Flathead
[1:47:19]
Conservation District. Flathead
[1:47:21]
conservation district has been the
[1:47:23]
administrative sponsor of the Haskell
[1:47:25]
Basin Watershed Council since it was
[1:47:28]
formed in 2000.
[1:47:30]
Flathead CD submitted a letter of
[1:47:33]
support of the Haskell Basin Watershed
[1:47:36]
Council's report summarizing their
[1:47:38]
concerns and recommendations to the
[1:47:41]
city. I believe you all have that letter
[1:47:43]
with their report. I'm here today just
[1:47:45]
to reiterate that support and urge you
[1:47:48]
to consider this opportunity to advance
[1:47:51]
the stewardship of Haskell Basin wershed
[1:47:54]
through proactive management of the
[1:47:56]
municipal water system. We ask that the
[1:47:59]
council consider adopting the following
[1:48:01]
management priorities into this 20-year
[1:48:04]
water master plan to work towards
[1:48:07]
maximizing efficiency and conserving
[1:48:09]
water use in existing infrastructure of
[1:48:13]
the municipal water system to minimize
[1:48:15]
impacts to the creek and a commitment to
[1:48:18]
being responsive to uncertain climate
[1:48:21]
conditions by building in resiliency to
[1:48:24]
the existing infrastructure.
[1:48:26]
Flathead Conservation District supports
[1:48:28]
the Haskell Basin Watershed Council's
[1:48:30]
position that greater efficiency and
[1:48:32]
more responsive management of the
[1:48:34]
resource could be accomplished with
[1:48:36]
installation of a remote radio telemetry
[1:48:39]
system for real-time monitoring of
[1:48:42]
conditions and adjustments at the
[1:48:44]
diversions on second and third creek
[1:48:47]
creeks. Uh thank you for the opportunity
[1:48:50]
to comment and I'll make myself
[1:48:51]
available for questions if helpful.
[1:48:54]
>> Thanks Samantha. Appreciate you coming
[1:48:56]
tonight, Mike.
[1:49:08]
Mayor, city council, Mike Copel,
[1:49:10]
director of the White Fish Lake
[1:49:11]
Institute. We submitted written comments
[1:49:13]
for your review. I just want to touch
[1:49:16]
upon two main points tonight. Uh, number
[1:49:19]
one is that this is a really good
[1:49:22]
engineering report. In fact, your
[1:49:23]
engineering team of Craig, Lizzy, Allan
[1:49:27]
are awesome uh for this community and we value that. The problem is this
[1:49:33]
is an engineering report whereas this is
[1:49:35]
a joint engineering and natural resource
[1:49:38]
management uh scenario, right? So, we
[1:49:41]
can't just look at the engineering fixes
[1:49:44]
without addressing the natural resource
[1:49:46]
concerns. So you pull out a thread in
[1:49:48]
the engineering realm and and you're
[1:49:50]
going to start to unravel other things
[1:49:52]
and I think you heard that through some
[1:49:54]
of the written comment. So for me this
[1:49:57]
is a plan for the next 20 years right
[1:50:01]
and so I fall back on what's the worst
[1:50:05]
case scenario so the most important
[1:50:07]
service that we provide to residents is
[1:50:11]
municipal drinking water right so does
[1:50:14]
this plan adequate adequately address
[1:50:16]
the whatifs right the plausible whatifs
[1:50:19]
and so I itemized in my response to you
[1:50:23]
a couple of them number One is a
[1:50:25]
catastrophic fire up second and third
[1:50:28]
creek, right? Which is reasonable,
[1:50:30]
feasible in in my mind, especially here
[1:50:33]
in Ed and and we all know what happened
[1:50:35]
in Spokane this year. And when that
[1:50:37]
happens, we can get hydrophobic soils,
[1:50:39]
we can get increased uh water yield,
[1:50:42]
sediment delivery, basically taking
[1:50:44]
those intake diversion structures
[1:50:46]
offline.
[1:50:47]
uh post that um there might be a taste
[1:50:50]
and odor issue making the water
[1:50:53]
unpalatable for municipal consumption.
[1:50:56]
Right. The other thing is um you know
[1:51:00]
we're doing our darn it darnest to keep
[1:51:03]
zebra and quaga muscles out of Whitefish
[1:51:05]
Lake, a very aggressive uh watercraft
[1:51:07]
inspection program. Thanks to you all
[1:51:09]
and Maria and Carla for doing a great
[1:51:11]
job on the ground. Um but there's no
[1:51:14]
guarantees, right? So what happens then?
[1:51:17]
So we could get uh zebra muscles
[1:51:20]
colonizing the water intake pipe
[1:51:22]
partially or totally oluding that pipe.
[1:51:25]
Their microscopic life form can get
[1:51:27]
sucked up to the water treatment plant
[1:51:29]
for which they could then colonize
[1:51:32]
infrastructure there. So I guess what
[1:51:35]
I'm saying is this plan falls short in
[1:51:38]
terms of the long-term game, right? So
[1:51:43]
we need to consider certain mitigation
[1:51:46]
strategies because if something happens
[1:51:49]
between now and within the next 20
[1:51:52]
years, you know, what management options
[1:51:54]
will you have to use as tools to
[1:51:58]
continue providing service to the
[1:52:00]
residents of Whitefish? So, uh, you
[1:52:03]
know, there's a couple things I
[1:52:04]
suggested. You know, Craig alluded to
[1:52:05]
the the groundwater wells, so I think
[1:52:08]
that that was that was me, right? So
[1:52:10]
I've advocated for potential deep
[1:52:12]
groundwater wells uh near the water
[1:52:15]
intake uh diversion structures right so
[1:52:18]
that water can be incorporated uh and
[1:52:20]
blended upstream right of the hydro
[1:52:23]
plant. So there'd be some cost recovery
[1:52:26]
in using that water. Number one there's
[1:52:28]
known chemistry. There are some
[1:52:30]
chemistry concerns with hardness and
[1:52:32]
other things and concerns with lead
[1:52:36]
dissolution in our infrastructure. Well,
[1:52:38]
the next 20 years we should also be
[1:52:40]
working very hard to get rid of that
[1:52:41]
lead infrastructure, right? So, um I
[1:52:45]
guess the moral of the story is if deep
[1:52:47]
groundwater wells uphill of the water
[1:52:50]
treatment plant aren't feasible from an
[1:52:52]
engineering perspective, show me what
[1:52:54]
third water source is feasible for the
[1:52:57]
city. And we need to itemize that now
[1:52:59]
and work towards it with a tangible plan
[1:53:01]
rather than have a 20-year plan and then
[1:53:04]
be here in 20 years with, you know, um
[1:53:08]
not attaining that goal. So um it's a
[1:53:11]
great engineering plan. Again, great
[1:53:13]
people have worked on this. I'm just
[1:53:14]
saying let's pause. Let's go back to the
[1:53:17]
table. And again, this is a a
[1:53:21]
combination engineering and natural
[1:53:23]
resource issue. So let's address it that
[1:53:25]
way. So thank you.
[1:53:27]
>> Thank you, Mike.
[1:53:29]
Additional public comments.
[1:53:34]
Deputy
[1:53:37]
always
[1:53:42]
» honorable honorable mayor and council
[1:53:45]
Richard Iner 104th Street Whitefish
[1:53:48]
Montana. Uh let me begin by saying
[1:53:51]
Samantha I really appreciate your
[1:53:53]
comments. I think you um hit the nail on
[1:53:56]
the head as it were. Uh couple of
[1:53:58]
things. Uh, one is, uh, we have the
[1:54:03]
technology, we have I sounded like in
[1:54:05]
the budget the money to, um, put a
[1:54:09]
impermeable mat in the reservoir and get
[1:54:12]
rid of or eliminate that leakage, uh, in
[1:54:16]
our reservoir. And so, uh, if there's
[1:54:18]
money, we should spend it on that and
[1:54:20]
get that job done. Two, uh, remote
[1:54:24]
telemetry, uh, is a pro proven
[1:54:26]
technology. We've been discussing it
[1:54:28]
with regards to Haskell Basin for quite
[1:54:31]
some time and uh I think now is the time
[1:54:34]
to initiate that uh program. Um the
[1:54:41]
third point is
[1:54:44]
do we have the
[1:54:46]
right
[1:54:48]
I don't know how else to phrase it to
[1:54:51]
dewater
[1:54:53]
streams and in essence destroy
[1:54:58]
the repairarian habitat including the
[1:55:01]
cutthroat trout that might live in it.
[1:55:04]
Um and I I think that it is uh important
[1:55:08]
that we keep stream flow uh in second
[1:55:11]
and third
[1:55:13]
creeks and a telemetry system would go a
[1:55:18]
long ways towards getting that done.
[1:55:20]
Number four, uh as I said, we've been
[1:55:22]
talking about this for a long long time.
[1:55:24]
I think it's time now 15 years and now
[1:55:29]
is the time to stop stop talking and um
[1:55:32]
start acting. Thank you.
[1:55:36]
>> Thank you, Richard. Ed,
[1:55:43]
» if you don't mind, Alan, after Ed
[1:55:49]
Liser, 1355 Lion Mountain Drive. Um, I
[1:55:53]
don't speak here very often and to do it
[1:55:55]
twice in one night is unprecedented, but
[1:55:59]
this is an issue that I feel very
[1:56:02]
strongly about. And I think um I' I'd
[1:56:05]
like to basically reiterate u some of
[1:56:08]
what's been said already. And I think I
[1:56:11]
would take Richard's comment right at
[1:56:13]
the end very seriously. Do we have the
[1:56:16]
right to alter an ecosystem?
[1:56:23]
You know, I appreciate the comments that
[1:56:26]
and the hearing that you had on the
[1:56:28]
budget and it it makes me appreciate the
[1:56:31]
challenge and that you have trying to
[1:56:35]
fiscally manage this very important
[1:56:39]
resource that you know and for the for
[1:56:42]
the good of the public. But
[1:56:45]
um there's a cost to living here and I I
[1:56:50]
strongly believe that we have to pay the
[1:56:54]
price and if it costs us more to take
[1:56:58]
care of our ecosystem, our aquatic
[1:57:01]
resource, that's got to be our highest
[1:57:05]
priority
[1:57:07]
and it's the cost of living here. So,
[1:57:11]
um, again, I want to reiterate what's
[1:57:13]
been said. I support the
[1:57:16]
concept of the telemetry, um, system. I
[1:57:20]
hope you'll seriously consider that um,
[1:57:24]
in the review of the master plan. Thank
[1:57:27]
you so much.
[1:57:33]
» Thank you, Ed Allen.
[1:57:36]
>> Thanks again for letting me speak before
[1:57:37]
you. Um I just want to touch a few bases
[1:57:40]
here. Um I am the design engineer for
[1:57:43]
this this report and we work very
[1:57:45]
closely with the city in a in a kind of
[1:57:47]
a tight box. But I want to talk about
[1:57:49]
the water master plan itself. We talk
[1:57:51]
about a 20-year planning horizon. Those
[1:57:54]
elements are not set in stone for 20
[1:57:56]
years. Uh every year the city will come
[1:57:59]
back and they'll look at the CIPs and
[1:58:01]
decide is this appropriate this year and
[1:58:03]
they might move up and down in order of
[1:58:05]
importance or if something comes up they
[1:58:07]
may add one or or they could come along
[1:58:09]
and they could say we need to do an
[1:58:10]
update uh to this plan in two years or
[1:58:13]
four years. Usually you see your
[1:58:15]
municipalities update them every five
[1:58:17]
years. So it's not set in stone. It's
[1:58:20]
actually a living document. Uh we typ
[1:58:22]
typically call it draft because they're
[1:58:24]
never finalized. Um that said, moving
[1:58:27]
on, I think people need to understand
[1:58:30]
the cost of
[1:58:32]
using less Haskell Creek water. Uh
[1:58:37]
you're going to lose
[1:58:39]
uh revenue from the hydro plant. If
[1:58:42]
you've got to pump it back up the hill,
[1:58:44]
you've got to pay those charges. Uh the
[1:58:46]
lake water, while very good quality, is
[1:58:48]
not pristine quality like Haskell.
[1:58:50]
You're going to have to treat harder,
[1:58:52]
use more chemicals. The water's warmer,
[1:58:54]
the reactions
[1:58:56]
require more chemicals yet. You're going
[1:58:58]
to have more backwash. A lot of cost
[1:59:00]
associated with those and I don't think
[1:59:02]
people realize what that's going to be.
[1:59:05]
Um, and I would love for there to be all
[1:59:09]
the water in Haskell Creek forever, but
[1:59:12]
I think the city's going to have some
[1:59:13]
difficult choices and and it
[1:59:15]
unfortunately is going to come down to
[1:59:16]
an economic analysis.
[1:59:19]
Do you have the the economic fortitude
[1:59:22]
to uh quit using Haskell Creek water or
[1:59:26]
use less Haskell Creek water. Um, and
[1:59:29]
you know, the initial numbers I'm
[1:59:31]
looking at aren't very promising for the
[1:59:33]
city. It's going to be a tough pill to
[1:59:35]
swallow. Um, a few other things to talk
[1:59:38]
about here. Uh, wells. Wells are a
[1:59:41]
little bit risky. There's no guarantee
[1:59:42]
that you're going to get any kind of a
[1:59:44]
yield out of them if you want. You can
[1:59:45]
ask a big amount of water that they've
[1:59:46]
drilled a couple of dry holes in the
[1:59:48]
last 10 years. Um, but if you could, um,
[1:59:52]
that's an excellent source and you've
[1:59:53]
got it above the treatment plant. So
[1:59:55]
hopefully you're not pumping far. There
[1:59:57]
are water chemistry issues whether you
[1:59:59]
use it for potable water and and you'd
[2:00:02]
have to add on or build a separate
[2:00:04]
treatment plant before you blend it with
[2:00:06]
your existing surface water. Um or
[2:00:09]
potentially you could use it to augment
[2:00:11]
Haskell Creek itself. Um that has some
[2:00:14]
inherent advantages and disadvantages.
[2:00:16]
You got a water chemistry issue again.
[2:00:18]
Um but it is cold water and could help
[2:00:21]
offset the warming of of the creek
[2:00:23]
itself.
[2:00:25]
Uh, I do want to acknowledge the the
[2:00:28]
fantastic work that Haskell Basin
[2:00:31]
Commission has done, the conservation
[2:00:33]
district has done through the years with
[2:00:35]
Haskell Creek. When I was a kid, it it
[2:00:38]
was a cow pond from one end to the other
[2:00:42]
through Borman's and they've done an
[2:00:44]
outstanding job of revitating,
[2:00:47]
reforesting. Um, so this is this is a
[2:00:51]
tough decision. Um, I've been tasked
[2:00:54]
looking at it only from an engineering
[2:00:55]
standpoint, but
[2:00:58]
here we are. This is where the sausage
[2:01:00]
gets made.
[2:01:02]
So, thank you.
[2:01:03]
>> Thank you, Alan. Appreciate you
[2:01:04]
attending this evening. Further public
[2:01:07]
comments?
[2:01:09]
Michelle, anyone online?
[2:01:14]
» For those of you who are online, if
[2:01:16]
you'd like to speak towards either the
[2:01:17]
water master plan or the wastewater and
[2:01:20]
storm water master plan, please raise
[2:01:22]
your hand.
[2:01:28]
We're good.
[2:01:29]
>> Go ahead and close the public hearing
[2:01:31]
and I'll start with comments from the
[2:01:33]
council. I'll start with Jeppi since he
[2:01:36]
is joining us remotely. Any comments,
[2:01:38]
Jeppy?
[2:01:39]
>> Uh, mayor, I do not have a comment, but
[2:01:42]
I know that we asked questions ahead of
[2:01:44]
time to the staff. Can I ask a question
[2:01:46]
to Craig after listening to the public
[2:01:49]
comments?
[2:01:50]
>> Of course. All right, Craig. Uh, I don't
[2:01:54]
want to go into the weeds. All I want to
[2:01:56]
understand high level is and I use terms
[2:02:00]
that I heard or read in your packet. Uh,
[2:02:03]
on one hand your plan which is a plan
[2:02:07]
and I agree with the people who say it's
[2:02:10]
not cast in marble and it's just a high
[2:02:13]
level plan and then different decisions
[2:02:16]
will be made at different stages. The
[2:02:19]
actuator uh valve at the hydrop plant
[2:02:22]
regulates how much total water reaches
[2:02:25]
the plant but it doesn't tell us how
[2:02:28]
much water remains in second and third
[2:02:30]
creek or uh allow us to remotely adjust
[2:02:35]
those individual diversions where on the
[2:02:38]
other side this telemetry proposal would
[2:02:41]
uh do that. Am I correct or is and and
[2:02:46]
what what is it that makes your approach
[2:02:50]
comfortable for yourself and and the
[2:02:52]
staff in the city?
[2:02:56]
» Yeah, I think you've explained it
[2:02:58]
correctly, Jeppe. Um the intent with the
[2:03:00]
actuated valve at the water plant would
[2:03:03]
be to slow down the water coming from
[2:03:06]
second and third creeks and back it up
[2:03:09]
into first creek. So it wouldn't the
[2:03:12]
water would still be diverted at second
[2:03:14]
and third creeks, but it would remain in
[2:03:16]
the main stem of Haskell Creek by
[2:03:18]
backing it up into First Creek. Um I I
[2:03:22]
will say that over the past several
[2:03:24]
years, we have continued to allow water
[2:03:27]
to overflow at Second and Third Creek.
[2:03:30]
Even though you go up there and you look
[2:03:32]
at those creeks and they may look dry,
[2:03:34]
that water is going underground
[2:03:37]
somewhere after the diversions. we are
[2:03:39]
spilling water and so we're not taking
[2:03:41]
100% of the water from second and third
[2:03:43]
creek. Um but the intent of the actuated
[2:03:46]
valve would be would essentially
[2:03:48]
accomplish the same goal as the remote
[2:03:50]
telemetry and the the gate valves at
[2:03:53]
second and third creek. It's just that
[2:03:54]
it would back up the water into first
[2:03:57]
creek and then meet up with um with the
[2:04:00]
main stem of Haskell
[2:04:03]
shortly thereafter. Um, I will say,
[2:04:05]
Rebecca, in answer to your question
[2:04:07]
earlier, I did a just a quick GIS
[2:04:09]
measurement. Um, the intake for Third
[2:04:12]
Creek is just over two miles from the
[2:04:14]
water plant. Um, it would likely the
[2:04:17]
signal would likely have to take a
[2:04:19]
slightly different route. So, I would
[2:04:21]
estimate between two and three miles of
[2:04:24]
um of distance in that remote telemetry.
[2:04:28]
>> Thank you, Greg. So, so are you saying
[2:04:32]
that the telemetry solution would
[2:04:36]
address the issue so to speak at its
[2:04:39]
head versus at the feet? I'm I'm
[2:04:41]
paraphrasing, but there are technical
[2:04:45]
challenges and costs that I don't know
[2:04:48]
they quantified because when you
[2:04:50]
prepared the report, you were not
[2:04:52]
comparing two solutions that would make
[2:04:55]
it not desirable versus what we are
[2:04:59]
proposing.
[2:05:02]
» Yeah, I I guess so. I don't know if it's
[2:05:05]
necessarily a head versus feet. I mean,
[2:05:07]
we we're essentially keeping the water
[2:05:12]
that we're not using, you know, to
[2:05:14]
prevent it from spilling over at the raw
[2:05:16]
water reservoir at the plant in Haskell
[2:05:20]
Creek. It's just that it it wouldn't all
[2:05:22]
come out of second and third creeks. It
[2:05:24]
would go back to First Creek.
[2:05:29]
O okay and uh and the other solution the
[2:05:33]
remote solution will change that as a a
[2:05:37]
structural change. Correct. So we're
[2:05:40]
making a choice of where to divert or
[2:05:44]
keep the water. It's not just a techn
[2:05:46]
technological choice. Am I understanding
[2:05:49]
correctly? That
[2:05:50]
>> that's a fair statement. Yes.
[2:05:53]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[2:05:55]
>> Thanks Jeppi. We'll start with Ben and
[2:05:57]
then Rebecca.
[2:05:59]
I do have also one or two questions if I
[2:06:01]
could. Um,
[2:06:04]
and sorry if I'm a bit of a layman in
[2:06:06]
this topic, but make sure my
[2:06:08]
understanding is correct. We have three
[2:06:10]
creeks, one, two, and three. They all
[2:06:12]
join together into the main stem
[2:06:14]
whenever we would call that
[2:06:17]
creek. Thank you. And then um
[2:06:21]
so when we talk about dewater like but
[2:06:23]
the first creek we don't use. So there's
[2:06:25]
always water coming through through
[2:06:27]
first grade essentially. So when so when
[2:06:30]
we're talking about dewatering
[2:06:33]
what we're actually talking about is the
[2:06:35]
distance from the intake to Haskell
[2:06:38]
Creek itself that that little stretch.
[2:06:40]
It's not Haskell Creek doesn't get
[2:06:43]
dewatered because Correct. Yeah. There's
[2:06:46]
actually I believe six creeks that feed
[2:06:49]
the main stem of Haskell Creek. The city
[2:06:52]
has water rights to first, second, and
[2:06:54]
third.
[2:06:55]
>> We don't use any of the water rights
[2:06:57]
from first, and we don't have any water
[2:06:59]
rights in fourth through six.
[2:07:02]
>> Okay. So, we're really talking about
[2:07:04]
that stretch of creek between the intake
[2:07:08]
and where it joins into the main stem
[2:07:10]
>> for second and third. Correct.
[2:07:12]
>> And so, I I pulled up the map which is
[2:07:15]
actually in the packet
[2:07:17]
on page 264 cares.
[2:07:21]
But it looks to me like the intakes are
[2:07:22]
actually pretty close to the main stem
[2:07:24]
or they're down which would make sense,
[2:07:27]
right? So we're not actually talking
[2:07:29]
about a lot of
[2:07:32]
here. Am I understanding this correctly?
[2:07:34]
Okay.
[2:07:46]
» Okay.
[2:07:47]
Unless I've said something wrong, we can
[2:07:49]
move forward then. Okay. Um, and then my
[2:07:52]
second question is, ironically, when
[2:07:55]
Mike was up here,
[2:07:57]
well, when I was going through this plan
[2:07:58]
earlier, I made my own note a comment
[2:08:01]
that is exactly what Mike's comments
[2:08:03]
were, which is, should we further
[2:08:06]
explore groundwater to diversify
[2:08:08]
ourselves in the event of a wire to
[2:08:10]
fire? Um, I'm just curious what your
[2:08:13]
thoughts are on that, Craig, if you
[2:08:15]
would. Yes, we should and that is a
[2:08:18]
recommendation in the report.
[2:08:20]
>> Okay.
[2:08:23]
So, whatever steps are necessary.
[2:08:25]
>> Yeah, I mean it it won't be um an
[2:08:28]
inexpensive alternative and there is
[2:08:30]
risk uh to mixing groundwater with
[2:08:32]
surface water. Um Allan mentioned
[2:08:35]
briefly the opportunity perhaps to have
[2:08:38]
a well at the intake that pumps directly
[2:08:40]
into the creek um to add flow and
[2:08:44]
preserve habitat. But that in and of
[2:08:46]
itself would also take research and you
[2:08:49]
know chemical analysis to make sure that
[2:08:51]
groundwater in Haskell Creek isn't going
[2:08:54]
to have an adverse you know effect on
[2:08:56]
the habitat. Um but I do think it is
[2:09:00]
it's worth continued exploration.
[2:09:03]
>> Sure.
[2:09:04]
>> And what would you think the next steps
[2:09:05]
would be in that in that regard?
[2:09:08]
Uh, I'm most likely probably drilling
[2:09:10]
some um, you know, some test wells to
[2:09:13]
see what we could find.
[2:09:15]
>> Okay. And that's on the city's radar to
[2:09:17]
do in the future.
[2:09:18]
>> Um, it's not in the CIP right now, but
[2:09:21]
it's something that, you know, based on
[2:09:23]
the feedback we've had from this report,
[2:09:25]
um, I think we should consider.
[2:09:27]
>> I think we should, too.
[2:09:29]
>> Thank you.
[2:09:30]
>> Thanks, ma'am. Rebecca,
[2:09:33]
>> um, could could you comment on Barnes.
[2:09:37]
Um
[2:09:40]
she's saying there was a CRE Cat
[2:09:45]
um climate resilience evaluation and
[2:09:48]
awareness tool that she didn't think was
[2:09:51]
included in this and um but it it was
[2:09:56]
about how climate action would affect
[2:09:58]
our water systems, I guess, and the
[2:10:01]
financial consequences of a changing
[2:10:04]
climate. And I just wondered if
[2:10:07]
how we would add that if this got
[2:10:09]
adopted tonight.
[2:10:12]
>> Um yeah, so we did that climate
[2:10:15]
resiliency study um through money uh
[2:10:18]
that was provided by EPA back in I think
[2:10:21]
2022.
[2:10:23]
>> Um that report had three main findings.
[2:10:27]
Um, one was the remote telemetry. Um,
[2:10:32]
we're, you know, somehow monitoring flow
[2:10:34]
from Haskell that's in this master plan.
[2:10:37]
Um, one I believe was the increased
[2:10:40]
water storage which is in this master
[2:10:42]
plan. And then there was a third um I'm
[2:10:45]
sorry, one was the emergency wild uh
[2:10:47]
fire response plan which we're working
[2:10:49]
on. And then there was a third which was
[2:10:51]
fireproofing a building up at the the
[2:10:53]
water plant. um which is a fairly
[2:10:56]
minimal project. It was estimated about
[2:10:59]
$3,000 back in 2022. Um we haven't
[2:11:02]
completed that yet, but it's typically
[2:11:04]
not something you'd see in a a plan of
[2:11:06]
this scale. It's essentially taking a
[2:11:08]
building that houses existing controls
[2:11:11]
and switching it from a a woodframe
[2:11:14]
building to a cinder block building.
[2:11:17]
>> So kind of minor in scale. Okay.
[2:11:19]
>> Okay. So,
[2:11:20]
>> it wouldn't take much to reference this
[2:11:22]
plan um this 22 climate resiliency
[2:11:24]
evaluation and awareness tool. Um but I
[2:11:28]
can tell you that the recommendations
[2:11:30]
from that plan are incorporated into the
[2:11:32]
2026 master plan.
[2:11:35]
>> So, I called Paul McKenzie today just to
[2:11:38]
see how how he felt about um since he's
[2:11:43]
on the Haskell Commission if it would
[2:11:46]
affect their management of the property
[2:11:48]
at all. And he said this has been going
[2:11:51]
on such a long time that the creek beds
[2:11:55]
are dry a lot of the time anyways. And
[2:11:58]
so I'm just wondering
[2:12:00]
why have we not actually addressed this
[2:12:03]
over the last 15 years if it if it
[2:12:06]
perpetually was brought up like what's
[2:12:09]
been going on? Like is it just that we
[2:12:12]
have such a strong need to provide water
[2:12:15]
that we don't that we're prioritizing
[2:12:17]
that versus this complaint that we're
[2:12:21]
dewatering downstream
[2:12:24]
and it doesn't seem to affect us as a
[2:12:28]
city
[2:12:29]
like it's a big complex
[2:12:31]
>> like I'm sorry
[2:12:34]
>> like I said before for the last several
[2:12:37]
years you know at the request of the
[2:12:38]
Haskell Basin
[2:12:40]
watershed council. We we have not been
[2:12:42]
drying those creeks up. We have been
[2:12:44]
spilling water at second and third creek
[2:12:46]
and not taking any water from first
[2:12:49]
creek. So if there are observed dry beds
[2:12:52]
up there, I think it's because that
[2:12:54]
water is going underground.
[2:12:59]
So it's awkward because they're all
[2:13:02]
recommending that we do more and and
[2:13:06]
you're basically saying no. And so, but
[2:13:10]
so far this plan is that we're going to
[2:13:12]
do the actuator valves to start and then
[2:13:15]
if that doesn't work, we might go to
[2:13:17]
telemetry later.
[2:13:20]
Is that a possibility?
[2:13:22]
>> Yeah. The way that the plan reads, it
[2:13:23]
recommends we proceed with the actuated
[2:13:26]
valve at the plant prior to
[2:13:29]
um proceeding with with remote
[2:13:32]
telemetry. Uh that said, we have
[2:13:34]
direction from council to continue to
[2:13:37]
evaluate the remote telemetry and come
[2:13:39]
up with a a more accurate cost estimate.
[2:13:42]
So we will continue to do that.
[2:13:44]
>> Okay. So we will have we'll have reports
[2:13:47]
about whether or not that's going to
[2:13:49]
work and about the drilling and of wells
[2:13:52]
and things like that in the future. So,
[2:13:54]
I'm I'm bringing this up publicly
[2:13:56]
because the public is here and concerned
[2:14:00]
and so I just want them to know that we
[2:14:02]
are like aware and that we will have
[2:14:05]
followup on what they're saying. Is that
[2:14:08]
right?
[2:14:10]
>> Okay.
[2:14:12]
Thank you.
[2:14:13]
>> I would entertain a motion.
[2:14:18]
» Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the plan as
[2:14:21]
presented. Would that be for resolutions
[2:14:24]
26,34 and 35?
[2:14:28]
>> Affirmative.
[2:14:29]
>> Is there a second to the motion?
[2:14:32]
>> Seconded by councelor Davis. Further
[2:14:34]
discussion.
[2:14:36]
>> Yes. Uh Mr. Mayor, as I said, um this is
[2:14:41]
not a plan that is cast in marble and uh
[2:14:46]
I I'm okay. I'm I'm um satisfied with
[2:14:51]
the current presentation.
[2:14:54]
Um
[2:14:56]
we can adopt this master plan tonight
[2:14:58]
and we can still direct direct the staff
[2:15:01]
to in the coming months or year evaluate
[2:15:04]
telemetry versus as an additional
[2:15:08]
feature. and and you know remote
[2:15:12]
communications with satellite
[2:15:14]
infrastructure might become much more
[2:15:17]
approachable and affordable as
[2:15:19]
technology moves forward. So I wouldn't
[2:15:22]
be too concerned of what the status quo
[2:15:25]
is tonight.
[2:15:28]
>> Thank you Jeppi. Further comments
[2:15:32]
all those in favor please raise your
[2:15:34]
hand. Those opposed like sign and that
[2:15:37]
motion does carry unanimously. Thanks
[2:15:39]
very much Craig. Thanks folks for coming
[2:15:42]
out tonight to provide comments. We'll
[2:15:44]
move on to item seven which is
[2:15:46]
communications from our finance director
[2:15:48]
regarding the 20
[2:15:51]
27 through FY31
[2:15:54]
CIP. Laney,
[2:15:56]
>> good evening again council and mayor. Um
[2:16:00]
we are presenting here the five-year
[2:16:02]
capital improvements plan also referred
[2:16:04]
to as the CIP for fiscal years 27 2027
[2:16:08]
through 2031. This plan document
[2:16:12]
planning document identifies needed
[2:16:14]
investments in capital facilities and
[2:16:17]
equipment that will be maintained by the
[2:16:19]
city of Whitefish over the next five
[2:16:21]
years for our current and increasing
[2:16:23]
population in addition to its
[2:16:25]
significant uh seasonal uh population.
[2:16:30]
This document outlines the uses of the
[2:16:32]
program in such things as planning for
[2:16:34]
facilities and infrastructure to
[2:16:36]
maintain adequate levels of service and
[2:16:39]
to accommodate new growth. The state of
[2:16:41]
Montana requires that a capital
[2:16:43]
improvement plan be updated every 5
[2:16:45]
years. However, the city of Whitefish
[2:16:47]
updates the plan annually to ensure
[2:16:50]
proper planning for changing
[2:16:51]
circumstances.
[2:16:53]
Each year, department directors identify
[2:16:55]
capital purchases or projects that are
[2:16:58]
needed to maintain current levels of
[2:16:59]
service or achieve expanded levels of
[2:17:02]
service that would accommodate
[2:17:04]
anticipated growth. Other steps of the
[2:17:07]
process in developing the capital
[2:17:08]
improvement plan are outlined on page
[2:17:11]
three of the CIP uh which I believe is
[2:17:15]
page 667 in your um in your packet with
[2:17:19]
the annual outcome of projects
[2:17:21]
identified and included in the final
[2:17:23]
budget adopted each year. While the
[2:17:26]
capital improvement plan document
[2:17:27]
encompasses a five-year period, we
[2:17:30]
provide details of the planned capital
[2:17:32]
expenditures for fiscal year 2027 with
[2:17:35]
each within each department.
[2:17:37]
Um page 668 of the packet
[2:17:41]
um which is page four of the document
[2:17:44]
reflects an anticipated five-year outlay
[2:17:47]
of 55,568,881.
[2:17:53]
Capital purchases may be paid for from a
[2:17:55]
variety of funding sources which can
[2:17:57]
include grants, impact fees or donations
[2:18:00]
or resort tax imposing restrictions for
[2:18:03]
which some projects must meet cert uh
[2:18:06]
certain requirements.
[2:18:08]
Page five of the CIP lists the types of
[2:18:10]
funding sources that are utilized when
[2:18:13]
appropriate by the city of Whitefish for
[2:18:14]
capital purchases.
[2:18:17]
When needed, the city council considers
[2:18:19]
proposed increases for both water and
[2:18:21]
wastewater utility rates to ensure
[2:18:23]
proper funding of necessary capital
[2:18:25]
improvements for the water and
[2:18:27]
wastewater utilities.
[2:18:30]
With the completion of the South Water
[2:18:31]
Storage and production project, which
[2:18:34]
has already begun and is expected to be
[2:18:36]
completed by the end of fiscal year 28,
[2:18:39]
um future rate increases may be required
[2:18:42]
to cover the debt service that will be
[2:18:45]
associated with this project.
[2:18:48]
Beginning in February of 2025, the
[2:18:50]
dedication of resort tax dollars was
[2:18:52]
reallocated according to a vote that
[2:18:54]
went to the electorate in November of
[2:18:56]
2023.
[2:18:58]
48% [snorts]
[2:18:59]
of the 3% reserve tax can be used to
[2:19:01]
repair, maintain, and improve streets,
[2:19:03]
storm sewers, underground utilities,
[2:19:06]
sidewalks, and curbs, and gutters.
[2:19:09]
10% of the 3% can be used for
[2:19:12]
improvements and maintenance of bicycle
[2:19:13]
and pedestrian paths, and other park
[2:19:15]
acquisitions, capital improvements, and
[2:19:18]
equipment. This reallocation allows for
[2:19:20]
additional funding for streets, parks,
[2:19:22]
and paths projects and could be
[2:19:24]
leveraged to obtain additional sources
[2:19:26]
of funding. With the annual revision of
[2:19:29]
the capital improvement plan, the
[2:19:31]
progress made toward the completion of
[2:19:33]
identified projects is monitored. Each
[2:19:36]
year, staff review the projects that
[2:19:38]
were accomplished, consider any changes
[2:19:40]
in circumstances or economic factors,
[2:19:42]
and make necessary updates to the plan.
[2:19:46]
On pages 8 through 11 of the CIP, a
[2:19:49]
general five-year overview of proposed
[2:19:51]
projects and capital purchases by
[2:19:53]
department is provided and funding
[2:19:55]
sources are identified in the gray lines
[2:19:58]
at the end of each departmental listing.
[2:20:02]
All items listed in this summary under
[2:20:03]
the column titled fiscal year 2027 are
[2:20:06]
listed in detail by department in pages
[2:20:09]
14 through 40. We list each purchase or
[2:20:13]
project and the pertinent details
[2:20:15]
including description, total project
[2:20:17]
cost, anticipated useful life, project
[2:20:20]
type, and funding source or sources. The
[2:20:23]
details are provided only for projects
[2:20:25]
slated to be purchased or carried
[2:20:27]
forward or begin in fiscal year 27.
[2:20:31]
Prior years prior year or year's
[2:20:33]
expenditures for projects are reflected
[2:20:36]
where applicable as well as anticipated
[2:20:38]
costs for the current fiscal year and
[2:20:41]
into the next four years of this
[2:20:42]
five-year plan. This comprehensive
[2:20:45]
capital improvement plan is intended to
[2:20:47]
reflect projects and purpose purchases
[2:20:50]
considered with intention by department
[2:20:52]
directors to be a priority for fiscal
[2:20:55]
year 27 and spanning the next five
[2:20:58]
years. and staff recommend adoption of
[2:21:00]
this fiscal year 27 to fiscal year 31
[2:21:03]
capital improvement plan.
[2:21:05]
Happy to field any questions or
[2:21:07]
feedback.
[2:21:08]
>> Thanks Laney. Any questions for Laney or
[2:21:11]
>> May may I
[2:21:12]
>> Jeppi?
[2:21:13]
>> Yes. Boy, lots of work on the numbers.
[2:21:18]
Good. Uh Laney, first of all, thank you.
[2:21:21]
Very good report. Uh I'd like to put a
[2:21:24]
couple of questions on the record and
[2:21:26]
then a couple of clarifications.
[2:21:28]
So uh let's uh let's confirm adopting
[2:21:32]
the CIB tonight. It's it's an action for
[2:21:35]
planning purposes. Am I correct that it
[2:21:38]
does not appropriate money or constitute
[2:21:42]
uh final approval of each individual
[2:21:44]
project? Am I correct?
[2:21:46]
>> That's correct. The budget is your
[2:21:48]
document for approving appropriations
[2:21:50]
and the CIP is your planning document.
[2:21:53]
>> Perfect. Thank you. Now I in in the plan
[2:21:58]
uh how are the project ranked? Say that
[2:22:02]
the some revenue or some grant funding
[2:22:05]
comes short or below expectation. How do
[2:22:08]
we decide what gets defaed uh or or
[2:22:11]
prioritized?
[2:22:17]
Yeah, I think I'm going to say that you
[2:22:18]
know the recommendations come from the
[2:22:20]
departmental staff first um and then in
[2:22:23]
the process of doing the budget um that
[2:22:27]
is like that will then incorporate um uh
[2:22:31]
city manager approval and um and you
[2:22:35]
know discussion and then it goes before
[2:22:38]
the city council.
[2:22:40]
So, so the the plan doesn't have a
[2:22:43]
guideline criteria set for uh
[2:22:47]
prioritizing projects um if the funds
[2:22:51]
are not available or if we need to get
[2:22:54]
into more debt or increase taxes.
[2:22:57]
Yeah, that's I think the nature of the
[2:22:59]
five-year plan means we can um
[2:23:02]
accommodate,
[2:23:04]
you know, economic factors and decide
[2:23:07]
where um you know, which year we're
[2:23:10]
going to we're going to be able to
[2:23:12]
address.
[2:23:13]
>> Okay.
[2:23:14]
>> Thank you. Which brings me to my next
[2:23:16]
question. uh in this plan right now that
[2:23:20]
it's very detailed as you said is there
[2:23:24]
any project that today has no identified
[2:23:28]
funding sources and would might require
[2:23:32]
additional taxes debt or rate increases as well
[2:23:38]
>> I'd say that every project that we have
[2:23:40]
has a is earmarked with a particular
[2:23:43]
funding source um or or combination
[2:23:46]
thereof of so um in some cases we're
[2:23:49]
using like landwater conservation grant
[2:23:52]
monies and then we um sometimes
[2:23:55]
subsidize the project with resort tax
[2:23:57]
dollars if it's an a resort tax
[2:23:59]
applicable project. So it just um but
[2:24:03]
everything that is in the fisc year 27
[2:24:05]
component of the CIP um is funded.
[2:24:10]
>> Okay. Thank you. And I have one last
[2:24:11]
question. Um,
[2:24:14]
since tonight the council approved a
[2:24:18]
substantially higher tax levy, does that
[2:24:21]
approval uh, which you did not have
[2:24:24]
because the proposed budget had a plus
[2:24:27]
five meals carryover and we captured
[2:24:30]
plus 10 mills carryover. And if I make
[2:24:33]
my math correctly, uh, we have increased
[2:24:36]
the tax revenue from 31.8% 8% to 42.3%
[2:24:42]
with that vote. Does that affect the CIP
[2:24:46]
plan in a better way because now we have
[2:24:48]
more revenue and where?
[2:24:52]
>> No, not really. It's not going to change
[2:24:53]
your um the plan. Um I think that it
[2:24:57]
gives you latitude to make other
[2:24:59]
decisions.
[2:25:01]
>> Thank you.
[2:25:01]
>> Throughout the course of the fiscal
[2:25:03]
year. Do I have
[2:25:04]
>> Thank you.
[2:25:08]
>> Any questions for Laney or staff for
[2:25:11]
that matter?
[2:25:13]
>> Please.
[2:25:15]
>> I move I move to uh
[2:25:21]
I'm sorry. Adopt the fiscal year 27 f to
[2:25:26]
fisc year 31 capital improvement program
[2:25:29]
as presented by our wonderful finance
[2:25:32]
director.
[2:25:33]
>> Second. Seconded by councelor Sweeney.
[2:25:36]
Further discussion. All those in favor,
[2:25:38]
please raise your hand. Those opposed
[2:25:41]
like S. That motion does carry
[2:25:43]
unanimously. Thanks very much, Laney. I
[2:25:45]
know you work very diligently on the on
[2:25:48]
the plan. It's much appreciated. You
[2:25:50]
have Dana's report and close with the
[2:25:52]
packet. Any questions for our city
[2:25:54]
manager?
[2:25:56]
Dana, anything additional to report on?
[2:25:58]
>> I do. I have a couple things. Um, I'll
[2:26:00]
keep them brief. Just first a reminder,
[2:26:02]
next meeting is on a Tuesday, September
[2:26:04]
8th, due to the um Labor Day holiday. Um
[2:26:07]
let's talk about the CWPP for a second.
[2:26:10]
Um the um agreement with SWCA um was a
[2:26:15]
contract for $87,000.
[2:26:17]
We extended the comment period. The
[2:26:19]
comment period on the draft plan is
[2:26:20]
closed. They're now incorporating the
[2:26:22]
comments um certain comments where they
[2:26:25]
see um applicable um into the draft
[2:26:28]
plan. Our intent will be to bring that
[2:26:30]
to city council at a work session to
[2:26:32]
review um and then eventually to a
[2:26:35]
public hearing for adoption.
[2:26:38]
The work session was not in that $87,000
[2:26:40]
contract. That's why I brought that up.
[2:26:42]
So um I am asking council if you're okay
[2:26:45]
for me signing a contract amendment. Um
[2:26:48]
the total cost um because we had
[2:26:50]
feedback on the difficult the difficult
[2:26:53]
readability of the plan. It's very
[2:26:55]
technical. There's a lot of pages.
[2:26:57]
because it's a very large document. Um,
[2:26:59]
with updating the executive summary u
[2:27:02]
with the revisions from the comments,
[2:27:04]
but really creating a homeowner guidance
[2:27:06]
document because I think that was kind
[2:27:08]
of some of the feedback we got. So,
[2:27:09]
that' be a standalone part of the
[2:27:12]
document. It pulls out basically the
[2:27:13]
homeowner uh to-dos. Um, and then
[2:27:17]
participation in the work session. Um,
[2:27:18]
we'd be looking at about $10,000
[2:27:21]
additional added to their contract.
[2:27:23]
They've also offered developing a
[2:27:25]
project hub website. It would be hosted
[2:27:27]
on our website, but they could go
[2:27:29]
through that development of that
[2:27:30]
website. That's an additional 80 $8,578.
[2:27:34]
So, a total budget amendment for that
[2:27:37]
project or project amendment of
[2:27:39]
$18,883.60.
[2:27:43]
In general, I'm absolutely comfortable
[2:27:45]
with the council work session, the
[2:27:47]
guidance document, um the executive
[2:27:49]
summary change, uh to better serve the
[2:27:52]
public based on the public comment. I'm
[2:27:54]
not sure about the project hub site yet,
[2:27:57]
but if you guys are interested in that,
[2:28:00]
um I just want to get some feedback on
[2:28:02]
you on that. Uh usually I I can amend
[2:28:05]
contracts within 10%. This would be a
[2:28:07]
little bit higher than that.
[2:28:11]
» Yeah, I I think it's necessary. I think
[2:28:14]
it it is very well comprehensive but it
[2:28:18]
was hard to read and I think it won't be
[2:28:21]
as user friendly unless we do that kind
[2:28:24]
of a outreach and um make it somewhat
[2:28:27]
simpler to for people to actually
[2:28:31]
utilize. So, I'm in favor.
[2:28:38]
» Showing of hands
[2:28:40]
and we'll hold off on the web
[2:28:42]
development until perhaps the work
[2:28:44]
session.
[2:28:45]
>> Okay, that sounds great. Um, and then
[2:28:48]
also on CWPP um and growth policy. Um,
[2:28:52]
thanks to Allan. I had sent him a link
[2:28:53]
to a grant that I saw that came up. Um,
[2:28:56]
he only had like a week maybe to get it
[2:28:57]
done. We were successful in um getting
[2:29:01]
uh being selected to participate with
[2:29:02]
the SEPAW uh program. It's the community
[2:29:05]
planning assistance for wildfire
[2:29:08]
uh program. It's one year of technical
[2:29:10]
assistance. They will be completing an
[2:29:12]
audit of our land use um our current
[2:29:14]
policies, our capacity and development
[2:29:16]
code. Um they really help with land use
[2:29:18]
planning. So just excited to have them.
[2:29:20]
It's grant funded through the US Forest
[2:29:22]
Service, but that's going to really help
[2:29:23]
support our consultants when we go
[2:29:24]
through the zoning updates, the big
[2:29:26]
zoning updates for the growth policy,
[2:29:28]
and we'll be able to uh, you know, check
[2:29:30]
off one of the recommendations within
[2:29:32]
the CW BP right now. So, that's
[2:29:34]
exciting. They've helped um a lot of
[2:29:36]
communities in Colorado, Hawaii,
[2:29:38]
Missoula County, and Big Sky locally.
[2:29:40]
So, um, last update I have is the, uh,
[2:29:44]
North White Fish Lake Community Fire
[2:29:46]
Association.
[2:29:47]
um if you recall, they're the group that
[2:29:49]
we're working with to apply for the DNRC
[2:29:52]
easement. Um I anticipate bringing anou
[2:29:54]
update forward to council within the
[2:29:56]
next um month or so. Uh we worked with
[2:30:00]
DNRC. I think we have a path forward. I
[2:30:02]
was at a meeting on Saturday um at their
[2:30:05]
house where they brought in um residents
[2:30:07]
from Rest Haven, from um Iron Horse were
[2:30:09]
there to really and even just their
[2:30:11]
surrounding neighborhood to try to see
[2:30:13]
how this location and working together
[2:30:16]
with Iron Horse could help really uh
[2:30:18]
create a good fire network. And so, um
[2:30:21]
it was all very positive at that
[2:30:22]
meeting, but I just want to let you know
[2:30:24]
you'll see that update come forward and
[2:30:25]
they're getting prepared to uh for us to
[2:30:28]
help them with that application process
[2:30:29]
here soon. Um, I think that's all I have
[2:30:33]
for tonight.
[2:30:34]
>> Thank you, Dana.
[2:30:37]
On that note, we will move on to item
[2:30:40]
8C,
[2:30:42]
which is consideration of a request from
[2:30:44]
Habitat to for tax fund to purchase 1974
[2:30:50]
and 1982 Whitefish Avenue to construct
[2:30:53]
two town homes. Dana.
[2:30:56]
>> All right. You have my staff report in
[2:30:58]
the packet. I'm not going to cover
[2:31:00]
everything in that. Um, as you know, uh,
[2:31:03]
earlier this year, we approved or the
[2:31:05]
city council approved $250,000 to
[2:31:08]
support the purchase of, I believe it
[2:31:10]
was 1966
[2:31:13]
and something else, uh, the neighboring
[2:31:15]
property. Um, they have broken ground on
[2:31:17]
that project and we did contribute our
[2:31:18]
funds to that. They now have the
[2:31:20]
opportunity to purchase the lot right
[2:31:22]
next door. Um, it is a little bit larger
[2:31:25]
lot. Um so it will provide two town
[2:31:28]
homes but also um park park space for
[2:31:31]
those four town homes. What would be
[2:31:33]
four town homes? Um they still have the
[2:31:35]
same um requirements within the
[2:31:38]
agreement that's been drafted to require
[2:31:41]
restriction of ownership um with incomes
[2:31:43]
at or below 80% area median income. Um
[2:31:46]
two-year completion of the project.
[2:31:48]
Annual progress reports from Habitat. um
[2:31:51]
the shared appreciation allowing the
[2:31:53]
homeowner to um capture 25% of the
[2:31:56]
appreciated value at the time of sale
[2:31:58]
and the city's ability to audit the
[2:32:00]
financial records of the project. Um
[2:32:04]
they have reviewed the agreement as well
[2:32:07]
and um are prepared to sign with your
[2:32:09]
approval. The fiscal year 2027
[2:32:13]
um resort tax budget does have
[2:32:15]
appropriations available for this type
[2:32:18]
of project. Um, we have yet to create
[2:32:20]
our grant program or committee. That is
[2:32:23]
in the works. So, that is why I'm
[2:32:24]
bringing this forward today. Um, when
[2:32:27]
you account for other committed funds
[2:32:30]
already, we do have um $814,000
[2:32:35]
available for pro programs and projects
[2:32:38]
for uh fiscal year 27. And so, the
[2:32:41]
$250,000 is easily uh fit within the
[2:32:44]
current budget. We support uh this staff
[2:32:47]
supports this request um for the city to
[2:32:50]
purchase the lots at 1974 and 1982
[2:32:53]
Whitefish Avenue and we recommend city
[2:32:55]
council approve such request.
[2:32:58]
>> Great project. I would entertain a
[2:33:00]
motion, please.
[2:33:01]
>> I would move that we uh award the grant
[2:33:03]
or the request to purchase those two
[2:33:06]
lots for $250,000 to Habitat for
[2:33:09]
Humanity.
[2:33:10]
>> Is there
[2:33:12]
seconded by councelor Calabiano? further
[2:33:14]
discussion.
[2:33:17]
» I just wanted to say thank you to Mr.
[2:33:20]
Brett Campbell because he gave us the um
[2:33:25]
the law at a discount so made it
[2:33:28]
possible.
[2:33:30]
>> Thanks, Rebecca. Ben,
[2:33:31]
>> I just wanted to say that I've said this
[2:33:33]
before, so I won't belabor the point,
[2:33:35]
but th this model that we're seeing here
[2:33:37]
where
[2:33:39]
we're using some of our municipal funds
[2:33:42]
combined with other grants, 2%
[2:33:46]
mortgages, volunteer labor, other
[2:33:48]
nonprofits participating in this process
[2:33:52]
really provides, in my opinion, a very
[2:33:55]
strong value for the use of our
[2:33:57]
affordable housing dollars. In my
[2:33:58]
opinion, I think this is exactly what
[2:34:00]
the citizens were expecting when they
[2:34:03]
authorized um this affordable housing
[2:34:06]
fund. So, um I appreciate that you're
[2:34:08]
here and that you stuck around, Mary
[2:34:09]
Beth, through uh our our budget
[2:34:11]
discussion. I'm sure that was
[2:34:13]
enlightening. Um and in the event, um I
[2:34:16]
appreciate the work you're doing and
[2:34:17]
please uh please proceed. Thank you.
[2:34:20]
>> Thanks, Mary Beth. All those in favor of
[2:34:22]
the motion, please raise your hand.
[2:34:23]
opposed
[2:34:25]
likes on and that is unanimous.
[2:34:27]
Michelle, you do. Thank you, Mary Beth,
[2:34:29]
very much. Uh, we do have a letter
[2:34:31]
enclosed in the packet from Shane
[2:34:34]
regarding motorized vehicles on public
[2:34:36]
pathways. Any comments on that letter? I
[2:34:39]
think we've seen these comments before.
[2:34:44]
» So, one of the garbage cans might have
[2:34:47]
gotten hit by an electric bike. Maria,
[2:34:50]
do you know about that or Bridger? It
[2:34:53]
was at the foot bridge and it got taken
[2:34:56]
down for repairs and I thought maybe you
[2:34:59]
had just taken it and I so I called to
[2:35:02]
say we need it and Jenny said that um
[2:35:06]
that it was possibly hit by an electric
[2:35:08]
bike and so uh I just wonder are we
[2:35:12]
doing any is there anything else we can
[2:35:14]
do to keep people safe on the trails?
[2:35:17]
Um, I just don't know if we should like
[2:35:21]
he's calling for signage. Um, he says
[2:35:24]
it's very difficult to enforce it, but
[2:35:26]
is there anything else that you guys
[2:35:28]
have thought about making people more
[2:35:31]
compliant and not hitting our garbage
[2:35:33]
cans?
[2:35:43]
Um, you know, I I think as we the first
[2:35:47]
level enforcement of our ordinance and
[2:35:50]
state laws regarding electric devices, I
[2:35:54]
guess we'll say, um, is education and
[2:35:57]
that's where we're at now. So, the
[2:35:59]
police department has made a valiant
[2:36:00]
effort and I think it's been successful
[2:36:02]
with electric motorcycles.
[2:36:05]
uh when you deal with bicycles and
[2:36:07]
electric assist bicycles, it's a little
[2:36:09]
bit more difficult. I think the law
[2:36:11]
referenced electric scooters is clear
[2:36:13]
and as we gear up enforcement of those,
[2:36:16]
determining whether or not they're
[2:36:18]
self-propelled or electrically
[2:36:20]
powered um is going to be
[2:36:24]
some learning curve in that, but I think
[2:36:26]
that'll be fairly easy to enforce. But I
[2:36:28]
think as we move forward um and I think
[2:36:30]
the legislation will take this up again,
[2:36:32]
especially with classifying electric
[2:36:34]
bicycles hopefully um in that next
[2:36:36]
legislation, but I think our current
[2:36:38]
ordinance covers that. State law covers
[2:36:40]
that and we'll continue to work with
[2:36:41]
parks and wreck. Um I was not aware of
[2:36:44]
the trash can being hit. I don't think
[2:36:45]
that was reported uh to the police
[2:36:47]
department, but um if you see trouble
[2:36:49]
areas or places that we could point our
[2:36:53]
enforcement to, that would be helpful.
[2:37:00]
Just one thing quickly. Is it possible
[2:37:02]
to push uh the idea of signage off to
[2:37:04]
the bike ped committee because I don't
[2:37:07]
think that's a bad idea to have speed
[2:37:09]
limits and other types of signs that are
[2:37:11]
a little more visible.
[2:37:13]
Is that something you guys could take up
[2:37:15]
at Bike Ped? Uh we do have a wayfinding
[2:37:19]
um plan and bike path sign plan and we
[2:37:22]
parks and recreation manages that and we
[2:37:24]
do review it with bike pad.
[2:37:26]
>> Okay. Thank you. Thanks Maria. We're
[2:37:28]
going to move on to adjournment. We'll
[2:37:30]
start with councelor comments. Jeppi,
[2:37:34]
thanks for joining us remotely and be
[2:37:37]
safe out there. Any comments this
[2:37:38]
evening?
[2:37:39]
>> Yes. Uh my pleasure and uh thank you for
[2:37:43]
this technology on the regular meeting
[2:37:45]
is amazing that apart from being in a
[2:37:48]
dark room I feel almost like I'm there.
[2:37:51]
So I appreciate the technicians who make
[2:37:54]
this possible. Um, before we adjourn, I
[2:37:58]
just wanted to encourage everyone to
[2:38:01]
join us on September 11 at 11:00 a.m. at
[2:38:04]
the Emergency Services Center for the
[2:38:06]
unveiling of phase one of our 9 911
[2:38:09]
memorial. I'm sure we all read Dana's
[2:38:12]
report and that's the top paragraph in
[2:38:15]
that report in the future events. It's
[2:38:18]
important that we continue to remember
[2:38:21]
those we lost, honored the first
[2:38:23]
responders who ran towards danger and
[2:38:26]
not away from it, and make sure that a
[2:38:29]
new generation understands what that day
[2:38:32]
meant for our country, for our country.
[2:38:35]
I hope to see many members of our
[2:38:37]
community there and in the future
[2:38:40]
supporting those uh um actions. Thank
[2:38:44]
you.
[2:38:45]
>> Thank you, Jeppi. Steve,
[2:38:48]
>> thanks Mayor. Yeah, thanks Jeppe. I will
[2:38:50]
not be able to attend. I will be
[2:38:51]
actually in school teaching uh students
[2:38:53]
who were born in um 2012 about September
[2:38:57]
11th. Um just one quick question for uh
[2:39:01]
for Craig. North Carol
[2:39:05]
uh the weeds are pretty much out of
[2:39:08]
control there. Is anybody has that been
[2:39:10]
addressed?
[2:39:13]
Are you talking about in behind white
[2:39:16]
fish yards or
[2:39:17]
>> Yeah, behind their the weeds the that
[2:39:21]
whole hillside is covered in noxious
[2:39:23]
weeds.
[2:39:24]
>> Okay. So,
[2:39:25]
>> yeah, I think that really becomes a code
[2:39:28]
enforcement issue, but we can we can
[2:39:30]
work with that property owner. I
[2:39:33]
actually don't know who the property
[2:39:34]
owner is currently.
[2:39:35]
>> I don't think anybody does at the
[2:39:36]
current time, but
[2:39:37]
>> I just wanted to bring it up because I
[2:39:39]
ride through there regularly and it's pretty bad.
[2:39:42]
>> Okay. Uh, thank you. Um, that's all I
[2:39:45]
have tonight. Thanks.
[2:39:46]
>> Thanks, Steve. Frank,
[2:39:49]
I just want to give a a big shout out to
[2:39:52]
the Wave and Carrie Jacobs in particular
[2:39:55]
who runs the swimming program at at the
[2:39:57]
Wave. She put on or has for the past
[2:40:00]
five or seven years put on the swim the
[2:40:02]
fish activity which was supposedly two
[2:40:05]
weeks ago, Saturday when or or Sunday,
[2:40:09]
whenever it was. We unfortunately were
[2:40:11]
unable to hold the activity or the race
[2:40:13]
per se because of the air quality was so
[2:40:16]
bad uh that we weren't authorized to do
[2:40:19]
that. Um but uh since the volunteers
[2:40:23]
were there and the buoys were set um the
[2:40:27]
public was allowed to take advantage of
[2:40:29]
that uh set course and if they wanted to
[2:40:31]
swim they could and we did and it was a
[2:40:33]
great success and everybody had a great
[2:40:35]
time. So, I just like to again
[2:40:37]
acknowledge what a great work she's done
[2:40:39]
and what the wave has done for those
[2:40:42]
kinds of activities. It's it's a great
[2:40:44]
thing for our community. So, thanks.
[2:40:47]
>> Thanks, Frank. Ben,
[2:40:50]
um I would start by congratulating Mayor
[2:40:52]
Meld for uh exercising a very rare vote
[2:40:55]
up here.
[2:40:57]
Um but uh work on your right arm
[2:41:00]
strength. But anyway, um no, that was a
[2:41:03]
healthy discussion. And I just wanted to
[2:41:04]
thank you all for it. I I uh it's a good
[2:41:07]
one to have and I I appreciate the
[2:41:09]
differences of opinion and glad we can
[2:41:12]
um constructively work towards the best
[2:41:15]
answer at least for the majority. So um
[2:41:18]
all good and um and I and I and I do
[2:41:21]
mean the budget was well done. So um
[2:41:24]
thank you staff. Um I did on the budget
[2:41:26]
I would also make the comment that um
[2:41:29]
one of these days I would love to think
[2:41:32]
about how we present the budget. So like
[2:41:36]
I've said this before and I apologize
[2:41:38]
saying again but maybe now that we're
[2:41:39]
done with it we can we have more
[2:41:40]
downtime we can work on it one day where
[2:41:42]
we actually like how it's presented like
[2:41:44]
especially historically like how we
[2:41:46]
measure ourselves and how we measure the
[2:41:47]
budget over time um I think could be
[2:41:50]
improved. I'd love to help work on that
[2:41:52]
if I could. Um
[2:41:55]
my second comment would be um I I
[2:41:59]
at some point or tell me where or how to
[2:42:01]
follow up on the exploratory wells for
[2:42:04]
water wildfire resilience. I I do think
[2:42:06]
that the risk of of us losing our drinking
[2:42:10]
water in Haskell Creek is real in my
[2:42:12]
opinion for at least some period of time
[2:42:14]
and so um I think it would behoove us to
[2:42:17]
you know advance that concept forward if
[2:42:20]
it makes sense and if everybody agrees.
[2:42:22]
So,
[2:42:24]
um, and then the last comment I had is
[2:42:26]
just on the the deed restrictions with
[2:42:27]
Habitat. I I did send you an email,
[2:42:29]
Dana. Um, I honestly I know you
[2:42:31]
responded to me today and I didn't get a
[2:42:33]
chance to read it, but I think in
[2:42:35]
general, if you could help help us make
[2:42:37]
sure that um as we're providing these
[2:42:40]
funds to to Habitat
[2:42:42]
um and the land trust that we're covered
[2:42:45]
in the event that either one of those
[2:42:46]
organizations were to fail for some
[2:42:48]
reason and if if that we don't lose our
[2:42:50]
affordable housing stock. So, however,
[2:42:53]
um, if you could just help us make sure
[2:42:54]
that that happens, I appreciate that.
[2:42:56]
That's all my com.
[2:42:57]
>> Thank you, Ben. Rebecca,
[2:43:00]
>> no comment.
[2:43:01]
>> Thank you, Rebecca. Andy,
[2:43:03]
>> quickly again, thanks to staff and
[2:43:05]
everybody up here after going through
[2:43:07]
yet another budget season and think it's
[2:43:09]
only seven and a half months before we
[2:43:11]
get to start again. So, there
[2:43:14]
>> um, quick shout out to Lizzie and Craig
[2:43:16]
for being 83% of the capital improvement
[2:43:18]
budget. I think that's [laughter]
[2:43:21]
thinks that that's worthy a note. Um,
[2:43:24]
quick question for Craig. I've had a
[2:43:27]
couple of people call me and ask about
[2:43:28]
the exterior
[2:43:30]
H2O insurance, waterline insurance, a
[2:43:34]
letter that we all received. And first
[2:43:36]
one was, is this a scam? And I said, no,
[2:43:38]
it's not a scam. But just quickly for
[2:43:41]
everybody that might still be listening
[2:43:43]
or read the minutes, just a quick
[2:43:46]
explanation.
[2:43:48]
>> It was pretty good. People were like,
[2:43:50]
"What? What do I do this? Do I not? Do
[2:43:53]
I?"
[2:43:53]
>> Although I I will say that the initial
[2:43:56]
launch has not been very smooth. That's
[2:43:59]
what I was.
[2:44:00]
>> There's been complaints that on their
[2:44:02]
website 59937
[2:44:04]
is not an area they service. We've had
[2:44:07]
complaints that in order to answer
[2:44:10]
questions, they want email addresses and
[2:44:13]
credit card numbers. Um, I've relayed
[2:44:16]
all of this to our main um,
[2:44:18]
correspondent at home serve and I
[2:44:20]
haven't had any response from him. Um, I
[2:44:23]
will say that I believe MMIA endorsed
[2:44:25]
this. No, the League of Cities, excuse
[2:44:28]
me. Um, National League of Cities
[2:44:31]
endorsed um, this insurance company. And
[2:44:35]
so, um, we're still in the learning
[2:44:38]
phase, but it is my understanding that
[2:44:40]
for 70ome dollars a year, they will
[2:44:44]
ensure your water service from where the
[2:44:47]
city's responsibility stops at the curb
[2:44:49]
stop to your house.
[2:44:53]
>> Up to $12,000.
[2:44:56]
>> Sorry, that was small print. [laughter]
[2:45:00]
of eligible costs probably would be my
[2:45:04]
guess. [laughter]
[2:45:06]
>> There's a little copy of it. Um, other
[2:45:08]
than that, just happy be safe out there
[2:45:10]
and up there and we look forward to
[2:45:12]
seeing you back here warming your chair
[2:45:13]
up soon.
[2:45:16]
>> Thanks, Andy. Um, just wanted to give a
[2:45:19]
shout out to my niece and nephew.
[2:45:21]
They're both off to college this week to
[2:45:24]
MSU and the University of Hawaii, but it
[2:45:26]
was their birthdays this week. I'm super
[2:45:29]
proud of them and love them a ton and my
[2:45:34]
brother and his wife have done an
[2:45:36]
incredible job raising them. So,
[2:45:38]
congrats to them as well. On that note,
[2:45:40]
Allan, thanks for coming tonight and
[2:45:42]
your work on the water and wastewater
[2:45:44]
sewer plans, etc., etc. Appreciate your
[2:45:47]
input as always, and that was an
[2:45:49]
excellent report. It's a it's a good
[2:45:52]
resource to have at our hands. Other
[2:45:54]
than that, staff, thank you. On that
[2:45:57]
note, we will be adjourned. We'll see
[2:45:59]
you September 8th, which is a Tuesday.
[2:46:02]
Thanks.