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[0:01]
Good evening, Witchah and good evening
to all of you. Thank you for
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City Council meeting. We'll call this
meeting to order. With us this evening
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is Reverend Ben Staley of Chapel Hill
United Methodist Church invocation.
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Following the invocation, we will have
the pledge of allegiance and ask you to
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please stand for both.
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Let's pray together.
Oh Lord, we give you thanks for the
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freedom that is ours to
participate in a process that determines
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the direction for our community. And we
thank you for our good mayor and the
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council members. And we ask that you
would give them wisdom as they lead us
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and give us all wisdom to make good
choices
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that helps us as a community to live
according to values that should guide us
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all.
ways that are committed to helping one
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another
and give us the grace
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and patience to be able to step back as
needed, the courage to step forward.
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Help us to know how to act in ways that
are in keeping with uh the values that
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we care about.
We pray Lord that decisions made here
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tonight will remember that. Help us to
remember that every voice should be
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heard and every life matters and that no
one gets left out or behind.
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» For all that you do, Lord, we'll give
you praise in Jesus' name. Amen.
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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:00]
justice for all.
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» Thank you, Reverend Staley.
Before we continue, I just want to
[2:11]
recognize that we have a new Witchah
fire chief. Chief Michael Mir is in
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attendance.
[2:22]
[applause]
[2:26]
I also want to give a quick shout out to
building services and public works for
[2:30]
cleaning.
There was a little bit safety issue and
[2:35]
we got that all clean. So, thank you so
very much to the building services
[2:39]
staff. With that, Madame Clerk, can you
please call the first item? Approve the
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minutes of the regular meeting, August
18th, 2026.
[2:50]
» Council members, are there any items to
be edited from the minutes?
[2:55]
I see none. With that, I will move to
approve the minutes for the regular
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meeting of August 18th, 20.
>> Second.
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» Motion second. Discussion. See none.
Madame clerk, please open the role.
[3:13]
Motion passes 70.
Before we continue, I also want to
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recognize that the mayor's youth council
is hosting their first
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and they just came into the chambers.
So, we welcome our youth leaders into
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the council chambers.
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Madame clerk, please call the next item.
>> Public agenda. Uh, from the city's
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recently adopted civility pledge. The CI
the city
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they stand united. They lead with
respect and dignity and they honor every
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resident in all communities. They are
working to create an environment that
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values shared goals with increased
empathy and genuine dialogue. We now
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come to public agenda. The public agenda
allows for up to five speakers to have
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five minutes each to address the
council. Please bear in mind that this
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is not a period of dialogue with city
council or question.
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This is your opportunity to address the
city council with your concerns. I ask
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that you address your remarks to the
city council as a body and not to any
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individual council member. No action
will be taken relative to items on the
[4:17]
public agenda other than referral to the
city.
[4:22]
Speakers will please speak into the
microphone. Please state their name and
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address for the record. A time clock
will display the speaker's remaining
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time to speak. Order and rules of
decorum will be observed. The first
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speaker is William Glander, Storm
Drains.
[4:41]
» Good evening, council members and fellow
I'm William Glander. I live at 235 North
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Elizabeth.
I'm speaking to you tonight because our
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city's infrastructure is failing to keep
up with and it is directly causing the
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flooding that we are seeing in our
streets. I have over 15 years hands-on
[5:02]
experience in earthwork, grading, water
management. I know how water moves and
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more importantly I know why it's backing
up in our city. The problem is
[5:12]
overdevelopment, bottlenecks. The core
issue is simple. We are covering up
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ground with concrete faster than the
drainage system can handle. Loss of
[5:22]
green space. Water cannot soak into
concrete. It needs soil and root system
[5:28]
when large developments like new like
the new Lo's gas station
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or massive apartment complexes take over
acres of dirt. that rainwater has
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nowhere to go except to our storm
systems all at once.
[5:46]
System overload. The massive volume of
runoff is overt taxing the main canal.
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We need the river and and the river
rises at at the outlets. Incoming runoff
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collides with rising water creating a
tidal wave effect. This pressure forces
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flap gates stuck close, sending water
straight back up through the structures
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and out into our streets. Internal
blockages inside the drainage network
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have design flaws where flowing water
hits crossing pipes forcing water to
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spill over instead of flowing freely.
That creates immediately immediate back
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flooding. the solution. We cannot just
keep building bigger concrete boxes and
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hoping for the best. We need smart
natural structures fixes. Establish a
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secondary blowoff. We need an overflow
mechanism for the canals so pressure
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doesn't forgate shut during
restore and maintain our ditches and
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canals. Decades of neglect means parts
of our canal system are near collap. We
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must reestablish and destyle all dirt
ditches, especially when paving dirt
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roads so runoff doesn't pull on the
pavement. Integrate smart green
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infrastructure requires developments to
pre functional dirt and tree space for
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natural absorbent. When old driveways
are removed, don't just leave the
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concrete. Fill them in with curb and
trees to capture street runoff. Our
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growth is great for this city, but if we
do not fix the water where the water
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goes, we are setting our residents up
for costly flood damage. I care deeply
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about making this city the best, safest
place it can be. I have the hands-on
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experience and the practical knowledge
to help fix these drainage bottlenecks
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before the system collapse. I urge the
council to review these drainage points
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and reach out so we can get to work on
real solutions to add to this. Someone
[8:00]
brought up drainage ditch in West
Witchah on the news.
[8:05]
We do not need that brought up at all.
We need to be able to
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it makes our city look bad when we get
brought up on the news and people say
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that hey this is a problem. We got
standing water. Thank you.
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» Thank you very much, William.
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» We will continue with our next speaker,
>> Barbara Meyers. Waiver of fee 25
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military veteran cemetery marker.
[8:41]
Hello.
Well, I came to you tonight originally
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to ask for a waiver. of permit fees.
However,
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I was informed last night at 4:45 that
those had been waved.
[8:57]
So, first of all, I want to thank Reggie
for doing that. We appreciate you very
[9:02]
much. We appreciate the city for paying
attention to this need. And I want to
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point out that this is for Highland
Cemetery, the oldest cemeter.
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and
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uh it's for 25 veterans of five
different wars. It has been said that we
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die twice. Once when our bodies give up
and once when it's the last time anyone
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says our name. So
on behalf of Charles Adams, Jesse
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Anderson, Is Baker, Eli Benton, Armstead
Bradford, Warren Busel, Samuel Card, Eli
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Carter, Edward Cook, Roger Davis, RD
Still, Eugene Estill,
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Elmer Foris, Francis Fox, Charles
Harrington, William Hincher, Zachariah
[9:58]
Lure, Steuart Logan,
Walter Marchale, Marcelus McGriff, Henry
[10:05]
Molenik, Manford Miler, William Norris,
Homer Osborne, and Eugene Whitted
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and my my team of volunteers. We thank
you very much and we appreciate
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everything that you're allowing us to do
with that cemetery and we hope that
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you'll come to our event on November
14th which is one of the America 250
[10:30]
events that's being held acad
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clerk please call the next individual
>> Oswald called Witchaw Public Library.
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» Good evening, Mayor and Council members.
My name is Kurt Oswald and I'm the vice
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president of the Witchaw Public Library,
chairperson of the library advocacy
[11:10]
committee and district 3 advisory board
member. Concerned citizen, I appreciate
[11:16]
the opportunity to speak with you. Last
Tuesday, a proposal was made to
[11:21]
[clears throat] delay the requested
increase in funding for the Witchaw
[11:24]
Public Library. Tonight, I want to ask
you to think about what the decision
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really means. So, I want you to imagine
imagine if a child needed help learning
[11:32]
to read. The child needed access to
books, literacy programs, a computer, or
[11:39]
a librarian who could help them find
exactly what they needed. Now, imagine
[11:44]
there aren't enough staff members
available when the family need.
[11:49]
Imagine if you're looking for a job, you
need a computer, internet access, help
[11:54]
completing an online application,
creating a resume, or uploading
[11:57]
documents. The library can provide those
sources, but imagine needing assistance
[12:02]
and not having a staff member available
because the library doesn't have enough
[12:06]
people to maintain the hours and service
our community needs. Imagine if you're a
[12:12]
senior citizen, you need help accessing
an online government service, completing
[12:16]
a form, or simply learning how to use a
computer, tablet, or a smartphone. The
[12:21]
library isn't just a building where you
check out books. It's a place where
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people get help. And library service
requires people. That's what the funding
[12:29]
request is really about. Imagine if the
libraries had the staffing they need.
[12:35]
Imagine more hours when families can
walk through the doors, more librarians
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available to help children, more
technology assistance for seniors, more
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program for our neighborhoods, more
opportunities for people looking for
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jobs, learning new skills, or simply
trying to improve their lives. That's
[12:52]
what this additional funding could help
make possible. The Witchaw Public
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Library serves nearly 401,000
through seven locations and a book bus.
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Last year, our libraries had more than
650,000 visits. Nearly 2 million items
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were circulated. More than 54,000 people
participated in library programs. And
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staff provided approximately 46,000
technology.
[13:20]
Those aren't just numbers. Those are
people, Witchah residents, walking
[13:24]
through our doors because they need
something from their library and the
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demand continues to grow. Witchah has
grown. Library use has grown, but
[13:33]
library staffing has been kept at the
current level. So when we talk about
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delaying the library's funding increase,
we need to be honest about what we are
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actually delaying.
We aren't delaying the need. The need is
[13:47]
already here. We are delaying our
ability to adequately respond to it. We
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are asking library staff to continue
doing more with resources that they
[13:57]
already have and ultimately the
residents who depend on those services
[14:02]
are the ones who feel the impact. I
understand you have difficult choices to
[14:08]
make and other important pri priorities
competing for our funding. But I'm
[14:14]
asking you to dig deeper into this
budget.
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Look at what can be re reduced, what can
be delayed, what can be re reallocated.
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Ask whether there are dollars that can
be rededicated to the library
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because tonight you have a choice. You
can delay this investment and hope the
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need somehow becomes less or you can
recognize that Witchah has already told
[14:39]
us what it needs. More access, more
staff, more hours and more programs. And
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we want to leave you with one final
imagine if. Imagine a parent finding a
[14:49]
job because the library provided a
computer, internet, resources, and
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assistance they needed. Imagine a senior
gaining confidence with technology
[14:58]
because someone at the library took the
time to help. Imagine an unhoused
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resident building trust and connections
because the library staff helped them
[15:07]
connect with housing resources,
employment assistance, and opportunities
[15:12]
to engage with their community. And
imagine if the number of Witchah third
[15:17]
graders reading at grade level increased
because we invested in literacy,
[15:22]
learning, and access to information.
Imagine if we invested in making those
[15:27]
opportunities more avail.
You aren't simply voting on a budget.
[15:32]
You're voting on what Witchaw will be
able to provide with its to its
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residents in 2027. I respectfully ask
you, don't delay the library investment.
[15:42]
Dig deeper. find the resources, fund the
staffing, protect and expand library
[15:47]
hours, invest in programs, and most
importantly, invest in the people of
[15:52]
Witchaw who depend on their public life.
Thank you.
[15:58]
» Thank you, Kurt. From district number
three, Council Member Mike Hohheisle.
[16:02]
Madame Clerk, can you please call the
next individual?
[16:06]
» David Bradock, Witchah
Non-Discrimination Ordinance.
[16:24]
Good evening, Mayor Woo and city council
members. If you don't know, my name is
[16:28]
David Bradock. I live in Riverside, so
Maggie's district, District 4. I've
[16:33]
addressed you multiple times on this,
but tonight I just want to remind people
[16:35]
who don't know I was the first person
ever to file a complaint that was
[16:39]
actually adjudicated through Utah
non-discrimination ordinance. It was
[16:44]
actually a religious discrimination
against me.
[16:48]
The company I alleged discriminate
against me admitted in writing before it
[16:52]
was even office of the law to review
that they made a mistake. They already
[16:58]
admitted guilt. Our own director of law
found my case had merit and initiated
[17:04]
mediation and paid funds from the city
to do so. Because it was done in the
[17:10]
executive branch, not the judicial, the
person I was suing or complaining
[17:14]
against walked out because there was no
force of law behind what we were doing.
[17:21]
Unfortunately, I then had my case then
reviewed by a subordinate of the
[17:26]
director of law who found that my case
had no merit at all despite her his boss
[17:32]
saying it did and that was done without
ever interviewing me once.
[17:36]
My case was then buried and trying to
get records out and I couldn't. So, I
[17:40]
had to pull multiple Kansas open record
acts just to find my own data. I thank
[17:45]
Maggie Ballard for helping me getting
that released under the former may was
[17:49]
quite an interesting challenge. I think
Becky who was
[38:53]
much for allowing that break. We return
from that break at 7:01 p.m. Uh, thank
[39:00]
you to the communications department.
They have been working diligently to try
[39:04]
to get sound on YouTube. It is now on
YouTube. Uh they also have informed me
[39:10]
that any of the sound prior to 7:01 p.m.
will be married with the team's sound
[39:16]
that has been recording this entire
time. But it does take a little bit of
[39:21]
time. So it will take until tomorrow
before you will have the sound before
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7:01 p.m. Um but again, we are now back
full sound. Um I do want to recognize
[39:31]
that Senator Oltha FaDau is in the
audience this evening.
[39:37]
» [applause]
>> Madame clerk, please call the next item.
[39:43]
» Revenue neutral rate self-supported
municipal improvement district 2027
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budget.
[39:51]
» Well, good evening, mayor, members of
the city council. I'm Mark Manning with
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the Department of Finance. Well, today's
the day that uh we've been uh working
[39:59]
towards since January. Today's the day
that you will adopt the city's budget.
[40:02]
But before we do that, uh we have a
couple other public hearings that we
[40:06]
need to take care of and those are
associated with the revenue neutral
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rate. So we'll do one for the
self-supporting municipal improvement
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district or what we call the Schmid and
then we'll do one for the city of
[40:16]
Witchaw and after we conduct those
hearings uh then we can get on with the
[40:20]
uh budget process.
Uh so statutoily we have to set the
[40:26]
public hearing date uh for the revenue
neutral rate hearing that was set on
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July 14th for tonight. So that's why
we're here tonight. The revenue neutral
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rate uh is a tax lid created by the
state legislature in 2021 and basically
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uh it determines the level of property
tax funding available to taxing
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districts.
So the Schmid is a taxing district for
[40:50]
which you do set the uh mill levy rate.
Uh typically we set that uh based on the
[40:56]
request of the Witsto Downtown
Development Corporation uh which makes a
[41:00]
formal request to you based on the work
plan and the objectives and outcomes
[41:04]
that they want to achieve. And then
based on that again we will adopt their
[41:08]
budget here in a little bit. So they did
request a budget for 2027 uh with a mill
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levy rate of 10 mills. Again, that 10
mills is just within their taxing
[41:18]
district, which is essentially the
downtown area.
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That 10 mill levy would be identical to
the mill levy rate assessed in 2026 or
[41:28]
the previous year.
So, this slide shows you the impact of
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the revenue neutral rate. Last year, uh
we levied $1,396,000
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on behalf of the Schmid. Based on the
state statute, we cannot levy $1 more
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than that unless we exceed the revenue
neutral rate. So whether we levy $10
[41:52]
more or $38,000 more, in this case, we
will exceed the revenue neutral rate if
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that's the desire of the governing body.
So to exceed the revenue neutral rate,
[42:04]
uh we have to take a few steps. Again,
these are prescribed by statute. Uh we
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have to provide notification, which we
have done. we have to hold the hearing
[42:12]
prior to consideration of the budget,
which is why we're holding this hearing
[42:16]
right now. And then finally, if it is
your desire to exceed the revenue
[42:20]
neutral rate, uh you need to do that
based on state statute by a individual
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roll call vote uh to exceed the RNR.
Last thing I would note is even if you
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do vote to exceed the RNR, you will set
the level of taxes levied later in our
[42:35]
budget uh discussion. So you're not are
not committing to a tax levy by
[42:39]
exceeding RNR with this activity. You're
just allowing yourself to determine a
[42:45]
tax levy during the budget hearing that
is higher than the tax levy of last
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year.
Uh so based on the proposed budget
[42:54]
proposed by the city manager in
concurrence with that staff would
[42:57]
recommend that you do approve a
resolution to exceed the RNR for the
[43:00]
self-supporting municipal improvement
district and that is the recommended
[43:04]
action. Uh Heather, I believe from Witto
Downtown Development Corporation is
[43:08]
here. If you have any questions about
their work plan or the outcomes that
[43:12]
they have proposed based on the tax
levy, I'm sure she'd be happy to address
[43:15]
those and I'd be happy to address any
questions if you have any.
[43:20]
» Thank you, Mark. I would like to ask
Heather to come forward and share
[43:26]
highlevel executive summary what the
$1.4 million would fund.
[43:40]
Thank you, mayor, council members. Uh
the $ 1.4 million budget proposed for
[43:45]
2027
uh would continue the daily operations
[43:49]
of our um downtown stewardship. So
downtown Witchdaw is responsible for um
[43:54]
maintaining 103 blocks that comprise the
Smid. Um that entails making sure that
[44:00]
our development community has the
resources that they need. Our business
[44:04]
community um is supported both in terms
of retention and recruitment. Uh we are
[44:09]
marketing the district proactively um
both internal events that we put on and
[44:13]
everything else that's happening uh in
the Smid. We have a big year coming up
[44:17]
with NCAA returning downtown. So that'll
get quite a bit of our attention in the
[44:21]
springtime. And uh of course my favorite
um focus area that we have is enhancing
[44:27]
vibrancy. Um that's everything from our
downtown clean team that provides uh
[44:32]
maintenance services six days a week in
the core. Um to our uh public art
[44:37]
initiatives to programs like our free
yoga in the park which starts up again
[44:41]
on Wednesday, September 9th. Um, so
really just making sure that uh downtown
[44:47]
is a uh clean, welcoming, vibrant place
to be um for stakeholders and business
[44:52]
owners.
>> Thank you, Heather. Um, do you have any
[44:57]
data so that the audience that maybe is
just now joining us regarding the
[45:02]
downtown clean team? It was initially a
pilot and it looks like that pilot has
[45:06]
been successful and has continued on as
a full-time operation and the 10 mills
[45:12]
would help in portion support the
downtown clean team.
[45:15]
» Absolutely. So, uh, with the additional
support that we had by raising the
[45:19]
downtown mill levy last year, um, again
only on downtown properties, we were
[45:24]
able to hire a full-time clean team,
which is, um, a fourperson crew, uh,
[45:29]
that is working from, well, in the
summer hours, 6:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. 6
[45:34]
days a week. Uh, the only day they have
off is Sunday. Um, so they are out there
[45:38]
making sure that we're picking up
litter. um since the program was started
[45:43]
on February 1st of 2026
um through its uh you know first 5
[45:48]
months of operation ending June 30th of
2026 uh we measured more than two tons
[45:54]
of litter that they had collectively
removed from our public realm. Um so
[45:58]
that's sidewalks, streets, um anything
that's a public space. Um, you know, we
[46:03]
assist our our city departments by
providing that extra layer of services.
[46:10]
» Thank you, Heather. Uh, one more
question. What is the biggest challenge
[46:14]
in downtown Witchah right now?
>> Oh, goodness. I don't know that I I
[46:19]
don't know that I could say. Um,
implementing our newly adopted action
[46:23]
plan.
Um, we have we have a host of
[46:26]
challenges, mayor. Um, you know, we we
have a housing shortage. Um, so making
[46:32]
sure that we're both building enough
housing and also taking care of our
[46:36]
unhoused neighbors um who reside in and
around the downtown district. Um, making
[46:41]
sure that we have a full range of
amenities uh for our, you know, daytime
[46:46]
and evening populations of employees and
residents. Um, transportation is a huge
[46:51]
challenge. Um, so we're we're tackling
all of these and and more.
[46:57]
» Sorry, I'm asking a lot of questions.
There's no one on the board, but I do
[47:01]
have one more. And you just talked about
unhoused neighbors. Uh would there be a
[47:05]
possibility to utilize some of the
budget to help with funding homeless
[47:09]
services in the downtown area?
>> So, the increase that we're anticipating
[47:13]
this year is not sufficient to hire that
additional position, but it's something
[47:17]
that we're looking at in the future.
>> Thank you, Heather.
[47:20]
» Thank you.
>> I see no further questions. Um I do know
[47:24]
are there three members who are part of
the downtown Witchaw board? Is that two?
[47:29]
» There's just uh council member Maggie
Ballard and
[47:34]
three members. So, council members for
district 1, four, and six are
[47:38]
represented as part of downtown Witchah.
Thank you very much.
[47:41]
» Thank you.
>> With that, we will open it up for public
[47:44]
comment.
[47:48]
I see no one from the
>> I'm sorry.
[47:58]
Thank you, mayor and city council
members and uh city manager. I'm Eugene
[48:03]
Snyder. I live at 515 South Maine.
And I came tonight to respectfully
[48:10]
request that the city of Witchita
identify the specific legal authority
[48:16]
that supports the inclusion of the
residential condominiums at 515 South
[48:21]
Maine being part of the downtown
self-supporting municipal improvement
[48:28]
district. Kansas law establishes
specific zoning criteria for properties
[48:34]
eligible for inclusion in a SMID
district limiting participation to those
[48:41]
designated
for commercial or industrial use as
[48:46]
reflected by the requirement in the
statute that says none of which property
[48:50]
is zoned for any use other than
commercial or residential. In contrast
[48:56]
with that, 515 South Main residential
condominiums are classified under a PUD
[49:03]
zoning designation. Given the zoning and
the state statute, we are requiring the
[49:08]
Kansas statutory basis which these
residential condominium properties have
[49:13]
been included in the district and
subjected to this 10 mill tax
[49:17]
assessment. It was 10 mills last year.
Before that, it was about 6.6 six and it
[49:23]
has been raised and that's what brought
all this to our attention. It's one
[49:26]
thing to contribute six mills but all of
a sudden to be paying practically 10% of
[49:32]
your total tax bill to live downtown
based on and we are residential not
[49:38]
commercial not industrial but it doesn't
matter because our zoning does not meet
[49:44]
the requirements of the Kansas statute.
So therefore, based on the Kansas
[49:49]
statute and the zoning code, these
properties have been incorrectly
[49:52]
included and assessed. And accordingly,
we respectfully request that the Smid
[49:58]
budget be reduced by 25,000 until this
matter is fully reviewed and resolved.
[50:04]
And that is based on the fact that we
have 46 residential units at the
[50:09]
Waterwalk. And I went through the tax
sheets for every residential property
[50:13]
and I added it up and it comes to
$22,238.99.
[50:20]
So I think to be safe I would set
$25,000 aside. [gasps]
[50:26]
And just to assure you that we will
still be contributing the commercial
[50:30]
part of Waterwalk pays in $8,19
[50:36]
a year. The Fairfield Inn contributes
$19,822.
[50:42]
The realator's building pays in $5,819.
And the King of Freight puts in
[50:48]
$19,3625.
[50:52]
Approximately $55,000 would be collected
by the other four buildings.
[50:59]
I thank you for your time and I look
forward to working with the city on this
[51:03]
statutory issue. Thank you.
Thank you, Lugene.
[51:17]
Good evening, Celeste, Witchaw native.
At the last city council meeting, August
[51:22]
18th, a comment was made that no one had
spoken about the Schmid last year. So,
[51:27]
I'm here to correct you on that. I
spoke. In fact, I'm going to read my
[51:32]
comments from August 26, 2025 about the
Schmid.
[51:37]
Today, I want to speak about the
proposed self-supporting municipal
[51:40]
improvements district's budget, what you
all call Schmid. This downtown Schmid
[51:45]
was approved by the city council in
2000. Special taxpayer property tax
[51:49]
funds are given to a Witchaw downtown
corporation for improvements in downtown
[51:53]
Witchaw, Washington to our Kansas,
central to Kellogg. However, condo
[51:58]
owners and private residences in this
area may not know they have to pay this
[52:02]
extra mill levy. So, if any property tax
increase, there needs to be
[52:07]
justification for them to pay this
expense. Why is this budget increasing
[52:11]
to 1,400,000?
Last year, that was a 55% increase. The
[52:17]
city of Witchaw is supposed to provide
downtown cleanup and park maintenance.
[52:20]
So, why is the city giving up what it
does to this private entity, downtown
[52:25]
Witchaw? Is the city not able to take
care of downtown parks? Is the city not
[52:30]
able to maintain downtown flower beds?
How would we request spending records?
[52:36]
How would we see what the dollars go
for? Can I file a Kansas open records
[52:40]
request to request the travel expenses
or the meeting expenses? How would I
[52:45]
request the salaries? Now, remember this
is last year. I find this interesting.
[52:50]
Is this a way to hide taxpayer money?
Would a slush fund be created? And how
[52:55]
would I know? Taxpayers can't look
inside downtown Witchaw finances to see
[53:00]
individual salary, travel expenses, and
marketing costs. Once you give up
[53:05]
control, taxpayers are count cut out of
the picture. So, I would suggest, and I
[53:11]
still suggest this year, we use the
nearly $500,000 budget increase to hire
[53:16]
more parks department staff. Employees
have dropped from 158 employees to
[53:21]
barely a hundred. The And this is still
true. This is so ironic. I was just
[53:25]
there today. The graffiti on the West
Riverbank has been there for over two
[53:31]
weeks and no one has responded to the
request I made to clean it up. Hire more
[53:36]
maintenance public staff. The irrigation
system for the flower beds and a Price
[53:41]
Witter Park has been broken for months
and here a year later, I'm here to tell
[53:45]
you it is still broken. It has still not
been fixed.
[53:50]
Um, we worked really hard with Lowe's
Home Improvement Store Heroes Project to
[53:56]
plant a thousand flowers. The flowers
have not been watered the entire summer.
[54:01]
So, now we're going on year two. They
have still not been watered now for over
[54:06]
a year. This is still true, too. There
are weeds, trash, graffiti. Several
[54:11]
trees have been cut down, leaving bare
stumps. The broken branches are still
[54:15]
lying in the streets around Century 2.
Hire more maintenance staff, please. So,
[54:21]
here we are a year later. You did raise
the budget. Downtown Witchaw supposedly
[54:26]
is doing the cleanup, and everything I
talked about last year, I'm horrified,
[54:32]
is still there today. In fact, I was
there today with someone who's going to
[54:36]
give us Save Century 2 and Witchah area
sister cities a grant to help us with
[54:41]
watering. And I was so proud of the work
we did. I took them down there, two of
[54:45]
them today, to see the work we did at a
price park, a park that was created in
[54:50]
honor of the first black mayor of
Witchaw. He was a wonderful man. Um, I
[54:55]
won't go into detail, but my father knew
him. And here I was disgraced and
[54:59]
embarrassed to see the state of that
park. So, we've given him more money.
[55:04]
Something's not working. I say bring
this back in house with city employees.
[55:09]
And I know part of the problem is you're
not offering enough salaries. Not any
[55:14]
more than someone can make in a fast
food restaurant. And I can't even turn
[55:18]
the irrigation on because I was told I
don't have a backflow certification. So
[55:23]
I have to water by hand or with hoses
around Jon of Arc. This is ridiculous.
[55:29]
Please hire people. Give them a decent
salary. Fill those positions. Fix the
[55:34]
irrigation. And this is the riverbank
that downtown Witchah was. so critical
[55:40]
to expanding the vision of Witchah to
our visitors. And today I saw a visitor
[55:46]
with a name badge around her. Headed
down there to look at Price Woodard. You
[55:50]
know what she did? She beat a hasty
retreat because of how awful it looked.
[55:54]
You can see my pictures on Facebook. I
posted them on my Save Century 2
[55:58]
Facebook page and you'll see what it
looks like. But I will give kudos where
[56:02]
kudos are due. So Maggie, you joined us
when we planted those thousand flowers
[56:06]
and you were the only one who did. So,
hats off to you. But if you look at what
[56:11]
it looks like now, you'll think we
didn't do a dang thing. Thank you.
[56:16]
» Thank you, Celeste.
[applause]
[56:21]
» Council member Shepard.
>> Thank you. Uh, city manager uh or
[56:26]
Reggie, I I know that there is a plan in
the works for a price. Can you please
[56:30]
update the public on that plan?
[56:37]
And also can you add the caveat of how
long that plan has been in place and how
[56:41]
have we communicated that that plan is
moving forward?
[56:47]
» So we're in the process right now of
looking at doing renovations to a price
[56:50]
woodard. Uh we put a selection committee
in place to look at uh respondents to
[56:54]
the RFP. Uh we had approximately 60 uh
companies that applied for that. Uh we
[57:00]
reviewed that and narrowed it down and
we're beginning discussions again this
[57:04]
week to start looking at next steps with
that project. As part of that, it will
[57:08]
get community engagement to see what
that space looks like moving forward,
[57:11]
which include addressing some of the
issues that's with the irrigation that
[57:14]
they're talking about there, as well as
seeing some of the artwork that'll be
[57:18]
incorporated into that project as well.
So, we're actually scheduled to meet
[57:21]
this week to discuss the next steps in
that project.
[57:24]
» Thank you, Reggie. What has been done to
communicate with those interested in a
[57:27]
price winter park and those who are
contributing to the vitality and
[57:30]
vibrancy of the area surrounding the
park? Okay. So, we have uh have
[57:35]
opportunities to get information out so
once we move forward with it that we'll
[57:38]
have community engagement for them to
see what that space looks like moving
[57:41]
forward. So, as part of that, once we
have the consultant on board to do that,
[57:45]
we will have uh listening sessions and
information for the community, provide
[57:49]
feedback on what the envision for the
space once we start moving forward with
[57:53]
the project.
>> Thank you, Reggie. And I know that we've
[57:55]
met about this and one of the things
that I've stressed is that the community
[57:58]
must be engaged to include the
volunteers who have contributed so much
[58:02]
to the park. And then when we also talk
about the irrigation system, can you
[58:06]
also talk about what discussions are
happening from the city lens uh in
[58:10]
regards to that irrigation system?
>> Sure. So, one of the challenges that we
[58:13]
have with that, I know that we were in
the the the point where we had the
[58:17]
drought previously where we didn't do
any improvements to that fountain during
[58:21]
that time frame and we discussed getting
those back on board again this year and
[58:25]
the cost to be able to get that
functioning and then the work that's
[58:28]
going to be taking place with the master
plan. We didn't want to spend dollars
[58:31]
for something that may be replaced in
the long run once we do the additional
[58:34]
development. So, that's why it's been a
delay with the sprinkler system there
[58:38]
and moving forward. I hear a commitment
from you that we will engage the
[58:41]
community about the future of a price
winter park. They will be involved, not
[58:46]
just a subset. Everyone will be welcome
to the table to share their thoughts on
[58:50]
that and that we actually have funds
allocated to invest in that area of the
[58:55]
park.
>> That is correct. We will have community
[58:57]
engagement for everyone to have an
opportunity to participate in it and
[59:00]
there are dedicated dollars in the CIP
for those improvements.
[59:03]
» Thank you. I just hope the public heard
that. Council member Johnston Sten.
[59:09]
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh Jennifer Legal,
um regards to the uh first speaker, the
[59:15]
Waterwalk Condos. I know several council
members reached out to you for a legal
[59:20]
opinion on on that. Uh would you either
mind sharing a summary or meet with them
[59:25]
later and share it with them?
>> Happy to. Yes.
[59:28]
» Thank you.
>> Is is [clears throat]
[59:30]
» would be able to visit with council
members or however you'd like to arrange
[59:33]
that. I've asked attorney Magna to share
that privately with Waterwalk, but she
[59:39]
shared a memo with us, Lugene, to uh we
met this morning. We got the legal memo
[59:44]
back this afternoon, and I've asked our
attorney to meet with you privately so
[59:48]
that way we can have those discussions
like we've discussed. Thank you so much
[59:51]
for being here.
>> Thank you.
[59:54]
» We'll continue with public comment on
the Smid.
[1:00:17]
Well, unfortunat
[1:00:23]
[clears throat]
I'm looking at the ordinance. It says,
[1:00:26]
"Ordinance number 53-080
[1:00:32]
published in the Witchah Eagle on August
28th, 2026."
[1:00:38]
Is that right?
[1:00:43]
Is it going to be published in three
days?
[1:00:45]
» Sorry, this is five minutes for you to
speak. We will ask staff or else it will
[1:00:50]
count against your time. So
>> that's just a a question that I look at
[1:00:53]
this and it says it's going to be this
is this is what you have on your
[1:00:58]
website. Uh the other thing is uh this
is listed as item six. The item before
[1:01:05]
was listed as item seven. So whoever
does the uh numbering should pay
[1:01:10]
attention.
[1:01:15]
» City manager, can you please address
both items?
[1:01:20]
Mayor the first item was seven because
it was u moved to the agenda out of
[1:01:25]
order. So it was taken up. It's usually
in that category of seven on your
[1:01:29]
agenda. That's why. And as to the
ordinance, um this hearing has a we're
[1:01:33]
in has is is a strict hearing right now
on just the RNR for the SMID. The
[1:01:39]
ordinance I think he's referencing is
part of the budget item. So we're not
[1:01:42]
there yet.
>> Thank you. We will continue with the
[1:01:47]
public comment.
I see none. We will close public comment
[1:01:52]
on the RNR for the SMID. We'll bring it
back to the bench.
[1:02:01]
» Council member Shepard.
>> Thank you. I would recommend that we
[1:02:05]
close the public hearing record, approve
the resolution to exceed the revenue
[1:02:09]
neutral rate for the self-supported
municipal improvement district SMID,
[1:02:12]
conclude the public hearing, and
authorize the necessary signatures.
[1:02:15]
» I will second that um with comments as
well. I know that I've talked to Lugene,
[1:02:19]
members of the Waterwalk, and this
conversation won't end. I think you
[1:02:23]
brought up really good questions that we
should get answers from the state and I
[1:02:27]
think I've expressed to both of you that
this is not going to be solved by today,
[1:02:31]
but I think you brought up questions
that we should look at um regarding
[1:02:34]
what's in the Smid, what's not in the
Smid. Um and I will be happy to go over
[1:02:38]
the uh legal opinion with um Jennifer as
well to figure out a way that we can
[1:02:43]
make sure that you're represented. But I
think you also brought up a really good
[1:02:46]
point that there's not a a
representative um that lives downtown on
[1:02:50]
the Smid and I think that has to change
next time we do appointments. I believe
[1:02:53]
that's in April of every year um that
will do appointments and so that's
[1:02:58]
something that we'll take in
consideration when it comes because you
[1:03:00]
should have a representative um on that
as well. So much more to come and I'm
[1:03:04]
sure that we will continue
conversations.
[1:03:08]
» We have a motion and a second
discussion. I will just add a couple of
[1:03:12]
points. I will be in favor of this
because this is specific to the downtown
[1:03:17]
area. Uh for many of the residents who
are present this evening, um you're not
[1:03:23]
being taxed this extra levy. However,
those in the downtown area to provide a
[1:03:28]
lot of resources for everyone else in
various parts of our community. Uh this
[1:03:34]
specific tax is to provide added
opportunities for downtown Witchaw
[1:03:39]
including a clean team and I am in favor
of that clean team. Uh that is because
[1:03:44]
the city manager has informed us that
again public works and parks do a lot in
[1:03:49]
our community and this specific area,
the downtown area needs extra attention.
[1:03:56]
Therefore, the downtown Witchaw board
has been thoughtful about adding a clean
[1:04:00]
team specific to the downtown area and I
am in favor of that um as I was in favor
[1:04:06]
of that last year. However, also taken
into account what Lugene and various
[1:04:12]
other property owners who came before us
last week to share their feedback about
[1:04:17]
being a property owner uh a residential
property owner. I am looking forward to
[1:04:21]
the leadership of council member Shepard
who represents uh water walk that area
[1:04:26]
and look forward to them following up
with you and moving that uh forward for
[1:04:31]
the next round. So again um I am also in
favor of adding someone from the
[1:04:36]
residential area into the downtown witch
board. With that we have a motion
[1:04:42]
second. Any further discussion? See
none. Madame clerk please open the role.
[1:04:47]
» Mayor we have to do a verbal vote on
this. So, Mayor Woo, what is your vote?
[1:04:51]
» I,
>> Vice Mayor,
[1:04:53]
» I.
>> Uh, Council Member Shepard,
[1:04:55]
» I.
>> Council member Tuttle,
[1:04:57]
» I.
>> Council member Hohisel,
[1:04:58]
» I.
>> Council member Johnston,
[1:05:00]
» I.
>> Council member Ballard,
[1:05:02]
» I.
>> Motion passes seven to zero.
[1:05:05]
» Madame clerk, please call the next item.
[1:05:15]
» Revenue neutral rate. City of Witchah
2027 proposed budget.
[1:05:22]
» Good evening again. Mark Manning with
the Department of Finance. Uh to our
[1:05:26]
next item that we need to discuss is the
revenue neutral rate for the city of
[1:05:30]
Witchaw. Again, we have to have this
hearing prior to our discussion on the
[1:05:34]
budget. So, some of this will be
repetitive. Again, the revenue neutral
[1:05:38]
rate or what we call the RNR is concept
approved by the legislature in 2021.
[1:05:43]
The RNR, if we choose not to exceed it,
does not allow any growth in property
[1:05:49]
tax revenue. Not $1 of additional growth
from the prior year. No growth from new
[1:05:56]
construction, no growth from annexation,
no growth from expire expiring tax
[1:06:00]
abatements, no growth from anything if
you uh do not exceed the RNR.
[1:06:06]
Now, property tax revenue is very
important to the financing of the city
[1:06:10]
of Witchaw. It is the largest revenue
source in the general fund. And I would
[1:06:15]
remind you that the general fund funds
mostly public safety. 67% of the general
[1:06:20]
fund funds public safety. And again, the
property tax is a very significant
[1:06:25]
revenue to the general fund uh which
funds that public safety. It's also the
[1:06:30]
uh primary revenue source to the debt
service fund. The debt service fund pays
[1:06:35]
for the infrastructure costs of public
safety, fire stations, police stations,
[1:06:39]
things like that. and it also funds a
significant portion of our maintenance
[1:06:43]
activities primarily on our building
maintenance side. So, property tax
[1:06:47]
revenues are important uh to our
operating and capital improvement
[1:06:51]
budget. So, this slide shows you the
taxes levied last year uh just a little
[1:06:56]
bit north of $175 million.
Uh if we do not exceed the revenue
[1:07:02]
neutral rate in 2027, that means that
the city budget would be built around
[1:07:08]
the exact same 175,61,325
[1:07:15]
with no increase.
Now, the budget as proposed by the city
[1:07:19]
manager does keep the mill levy flat on
an estimated basis. uh but it would
[1:07:24]
result in additional property tax
revenue between both the debt service
[1:07:27]
fund and the general fund of
approximately $13.1 million.
[1:07:33]
Again, with a flat mill levy, that means
that most of that or all of that revenue
[1:07:37]
is generated by changes in our assessed
valuation. Assessed valuation changes
[1:07:42]
due to reappraisal. It also changes due
to new construction and annexation or a
[1:07:47]
variety of other factors. But again, the
budget is based on an increase in
[1:07:51]
property tax revenue, but a flat mill
levy aligned with last year's mill levy.
[1:07:58]
Let's look at what other communities do
uh with the revenue neutral rate. I just
[1:08:02]
picked three of our larger counties in
Kansas as the example. Seduit County and
[1:08:06]
Shauny County, Topeka, and Johnson
County. Uh you can see that all three of
[1:08:11]
those counties have voted to exceed the
revenue neutral rate each of the last
[1:08:14]
three years.
All the school districts in those
[1:08:18]
counties have voted to exceed the
revenue neutral rate in each of the last
[1:08:21]
three years. And in Seduit County, uh
you can see last year that 17 cities,
[1:08:26]
including the city of Witchaw, exceeded
the RNR. Two cities did not. Uh you may
[1:08:32]
be interested to know those two cities
were Andale, which has a population of
[1:08:36]
924,
and Clearwater, Kansas, which has a
[1:08:40]
population of 2,682.
In other words, some of our smaller
[1:08:44]
neighbors are able to uh fund their
operations apparently without exceeding
[1:08:49]
the RNR, but uh the vast majority of
other municipalities in our area have
[1:08:54]
and do exceed the RNR.
Again, same checklist. We'd need to pro
[1:08:59]
provide notification, which we have
done. We have to hold a hearing prior to
[1:09:03]
talking about the budget, which is what
we're doing right now. And if you choose
[1:09:07]
to exceed the RNR, you must do so with a
roll call vote. Again, final reminder,
[1:09:13]
your vote on this does not commit you to
a level of taxes levied. We'll determine
[1:09:17]
that when we talk about the operating
budget, but it does allow you to
[1:09:21]
consider a level of taxes levied that is
greater [music] than the taxes levied in
[1:09:26]
2026. So, with that, I'd be happy to
answer any questions and the recommended
[1:09:31]
action is to approve the resolution by
roll call vote to exceed the RNR for the
[1:09:36]
city of Witchaw.
>> Thank you, Mark. Questions for staff? I
[1:09:41]
will start. Um, can you go back to slide
number 25?
[1:09:47]
» Sorry, 28.
>> 28.
[1:09:51]
» Yes, ma'am.
>> So, it appears right here that the
[1:09:55]
budget will increase by 13.156
million. That is a 7.49%
[1:10:02]
increase.
>> Yes, ma'am. Um I have previously asked
[1:10:06]
um I would be in favor of exceeding
revenue neutral if it only captured
[1:10:11]
inflation which is roughly 3% and new
growth uh new construction that is
[1:10:17]
» can you tell me what that total would
have been if it was just inflation and
[1:10:21]
that new construction? Yeah, we
estimated that uh those two uh would
[1:10:26]
mean growth of about $9 million. U
[1:10:33]
» and the percentage would be what
percent?
[1:10:36]
» Uh [sighs]
3.8
[1:10:40]
I believe it was somewhere in the
neighborhood just north of 5% if I
[1:10:43]
remember correctly. You're testing my
memory, mayor, but uh I believe it was
[1:10:46]
somewhere around 5.1 or 5.2%.
>> It was 4.5% total. This is from previous
[1:10:53]
meetings ago. Um I'm just asking this
because several people here were not
[1:10:57]
present during that time. Um and I am
still um in that same mindset as I was
[1:11:03]
last year that the city should only take
in inflation and new construction versus
[1:11:10]
additional assessed valuation growth.
I've heard from many residents that have
[1:11:15]
said you have increased you meaning the
counties but not necessarily the county
[1:11:20]
but the treasurer um the register of
deeds rather is really encouraging
[1:11:26]
people to look at their tax bill and see
how much assessed valuation growth has
[1:11:31]
happened in their homes and people are
frustrated seeing that their homes have
[1:11:36]
increased by double digits but they
can't really sell those properties at
[1:11:40]
those amounts right now. Can you explain
the difference between the city, county,
[1:11:45]
and state levels when it comes to
assessed valuations?
[1:11:49]
» Yeah, each of uh each of those taxing
districts have different areas. Now, our
[1:11:53]
evaluation tends to be very close to
Seduit County. I mean, after all, we are
[1:11:57]
76% of the assessed valuation in Seduit
County, but they have some more uh
[1:12:02]
suburban areas than we do. So, sometimes
their assessed valuation will grow a
[1:12:05]
little bit higher than ours. Sometimes
it'll grow a little bit lower than ours,
[1:12:09]
but it tends to be relatively in line.
Of course, USD 259, which is the largest
[1:12:13]
school district in the Witchaw area, uh,
also has a little bit different
[1:12:17]
characteristics at ours than the city of
Witchaw. So, their valuation will grow a
[1:12:22]
little bit differently than ours. Uh,
but all of us generally grow about the
[1:12:26]
same amount each year other than a few
percentage points here and there. So,
[1:12:31]
» thank you, Mark.
>> I see no questions from the bench. We
[1:12:35]
will now open it up for public comment
specifically to the RNR for the city's
[1:12:41]
budget.
[1:12:54]
Good evening, Mayor Woo Celestat,
Witchaw native, former chief internal
[1:12:58]
auditor, former bank examiner. IRBs cost
the city about the same amount you're
[1:13:03]
looking for to keep the budget at
revenue neutral. It's about 10 million a
[1:13:07]
year in city funds. It's about 11
million a year in school funds.
[1:13:12]
Commercial tax incentives like IRBs you
hand out are broken. I am suggesting a
[1:13:17]
one-year moratorum until the commercial
tax incentive process gets fixed. When
[1:13:22]
commercial taxes are not collected, the
county loses out, the city loses out,
[1:13:26]
and the school district loses out.
Residential homeowners are then asked to
[1:13:30]
make up the difference like we're
hearing today. We are the ones paying
[1:13:34]
for tax giveaways given to developers
for industrial revenue bonds. And until
[1:13:40]
the broken given ways are fixed, the
city of Witchaw has got to stop posting
[1:13:44]
misleading statements about how these
incentives are not costing taxpayers
[1:13:49]
because taxpayers do pay for incentives
either through a broken IRB process or
[1:13:54]
because starbond debt agreements require
it. The state of Kansas recently
[1:13:59]
completed an audit on industrial revenue
bonds and the results were not good.
[1:14:03]
Here's what the audit stated. The Sedick
County Appraisers Office didn't submit
[1:14:08]
many IRBX applications to BOD for
approval over the past 30 years as
[1:14:14]
required by state law. 112 were not
filed properly. Poor segregation of
[1:14:19]
duties at the Sedick County Appraisers
Office, unclear timelines, and a lack of
[1:14:24]
state agency oversight allowed this
situation to happen. This issue could
[1:14:29]
affect some Sedick County business
property taxes and the quality of BOD's
[1:14:33]
IRBX data. When I read this audit, I
became concerned. Concerned because
[1:14:38]
residential homeowners just got a huge
increase in their property tax bills.
[1:14:43]
concerned because you are not keeping
the budget at revenue neutral, but are
[1:14:46]
asking for an increase in spending.
Hardworking families and seniors
[1:14:50]
struggle to keep the roof over their
head, yet commercial businesses are
[1:14:54]
getting a free ride because you approved
it. I specifically asked a Seduit County
[1:14:59]
Commissioner and I spoke in several
Witchaw City Council meetings if anyone
[1:15:04]
was concerned about this broken
incentive process and I asked if there
[1:15:08]
was an impact to taxpayers. I was told
no, there was no impact to taxpayers. I
[1:15:15]
was told in emails and phone calls there
was no impact to taxpayers. I was told
[1:15:20]
there was no missed revenue. So I
decided to find out for myself. Here's
[1:15:25]
the list of taxexempt properties for
Witchaw. These are the businesses who
[1:15:29]
pay no property tax or pay reduced
property taxes because you have given
[1:15:34]
them tax perks. I looked at four
properties. One of them, Poet Ethanol
[1:15:39]
Products, has been receiving IRB tax
perks since 2004.
[1:15:44]
They have 24 million in appraised values
that are taxexempt. They also received
[1:15:49]
sales tax exemption on all the furniture
and equipment that went into their new
[1:15:54]
offices at 39th and Web. You gave them
nearly everything in tax incentives. I
[1:16:01]
found unusual fluctuations in property
valuations. Every single time I asked
[1:16:06]
someone in authority if this fluctuation
was a mistake, I was told no. There was
[1:16:12]
nothing unusual about the fluctuations
in assessed value. I was told all of the
[1:16:17]
112 exceptions in the state audit had no
problems and I quote to wrongly reduce
[1:16:24]
the county tax base. But I'm stubborn
and I persisted and I asked for a
[1:16:29]
meeting to discuss the results I found.
Last Thursday in a meeting, I was told I
[1:16:35]
was right. There was a problem. And
contrary to what I had been told in
[1:16:40]
emails and over the phone, there was a
fiscal impact to taxpayers. Ethanol
[1:16:46]
Products LLC owes $119,000
in back taxes. They have 45 days to pay.
[1:16:54]
I was told, and I quote, "The appraiser
made a calculation error in the 2025
[1:17:00]
value." who will apologize to me for the
false statements I was given about this
[1:17:05]
problem, for the push back I received
when I tried to explain the dramatic
[1:17:10]
swings in oppressed value that I saw.
And more importantly, here's the key
[1:17:15]
that I hope you work with the county on.
And I think Mayor Woo, you probably will
[1:17:20]
reach out to Ryan Batty. I hope so
anyway, because I wanted to know what
[1:17:24]
systems were being put in place to
prevent calculation errors in the
[1:17:28]
future. How do we know there aren't more
of the 112 that were put on the system
[1:17:33]
at a lower assessed value than they
should have been? If I wasn't stubborn,
[1:17:37]
I wouldn't have found this. Property tax
exemptions cost the city roughly $6
[1:17:42]
million per year. Property tax
exemptions cost the USD 259 almost 11
[1:17:48]
million per year. My recommendation is
to put a one-year moratorum on any new
[1:17:52]
tax incentives until this system is
fixed. My second recommendation is to
[1:17:57]
set up a fraud abuse whistleblower
hotline with finder fees to encourage
[1:18:01]
this type of citizen reporting. Thank
you.
[1:18:06]
[applause] Thank you, Celeste.
I do have a follow-up question to Mark
[1:18:11]
Manning. Um, I did send an email to you
and the city manager on Saturday
[1:18:15]
regarding uh what Celeste has posted
regarding the poet ethanol owing
[1:18:20]
$100,000. Can you please uh share where
the city um is at in terms of recouping
[1:18:27]
some of those dollars and how many more
of these have not been checked?
[1:18:32]
» Sure. Uh first of all, let me uh kind of
expand on the city's relationship
[1:18:37]
regarding everything Celeste talked
about. Uh the city has virtually nothing
[1:18:42]
to do with the processes she talked
about. Everything she talked about is
[1:18:46]
done by our our partners over at the
county. the city has absolutely nothing
[1:18:51]
to do with the appraisal of property or
with the entry into the system of those
[1:18:57]
appraised values. I I understand the
same thing she did. I understand it was
[1:19:01]
a data entry error on behalf of a county
staff. That's I'm sure regrettable on
[1:19:04]
their behalf. Uh we're humans. That
happens occasionally. But again, the
[1:19:08]
city has absolutely nothing to do with
that. Uh there are about 180,000 parcels
[1:19:15]
in Seduit County in the city of Witchaw.
the city really doesn't have the ability
[1:19:19]
to audit the valuation of those 180,000
properties. It's really not our
[1:19:25]
function. Again, it's regrettable. Uh it
does impact the city. Uh but that
[1:19:30]
function is entirely on the county and
I'm going to assume all the
[1:19:33]
correspondence that she mentioned was
with county representatives as well. I
[1:19:37]
wanted to make that clear. Having said
that, our understanding is that the
[1:19:41]
county appraiser has corrected the
valuation. Uh our understanding is that
[1:19:45]
they have uh adjusted the taxes payable
uh for this entity and uh they are
[1:19:52]
coordinating with us to ensure that that
entity is aware of that and presumably
[1:19:57]
pays their taxes and and uh they will
take care of the problem that way.
[1:20:04]
» Do you know how much the city will be
owed from that $100,000 that was
[1:20:08]
mentioned?
>> Uh I don't know off top of my head. I
[1:20:12]
would guess it's somewhere around 29% of
the 112 or 118,000 whatever the number
[1:20:16]
is. I have not seen it specifically but
you know based on our mill levy split
[1:20:20]
probably about 29% of it. So what
$35,000 maybe?
[1:20:25]
» So that money will go into the general
fund when it is accepted.
[1:20:29]
» Uh it'll go to the general fund and the
debt service fund. Yes ma'am.
[1:20:33]
» Thank you Mark. Uh Vice Mayor Glasco.
>> Thank you Mark. I know we have a
[1:20:38]
workshop regarding city incentives at
the end of September and so this will
[1:20:42]
likely be brought up. Could we try to
work and maybe this is a question for
[1:20:45]
the manager to get somebody from the
county to be able to answer some of
[1:20:49]
those questions to make sure that
perhaps this problem doesn't happen
[1:20:52]
again on the county side and how maybe
we can be proactive in making sure that
[1:20:57]
we're also catching it as well if that's
a function that we're able to take. But
[1:21:00]
I think that should be maybe part of the
conversation in September.
[1:21:05]
Council
member Shepard.
[1:21:08]
» Thank you. And I want to echo the
sentiments of Vice Mayor Mark. Thank you
[1:21:12]
for apologizing on behalf of the county,
but this is the city. I don't think you
[1:21:15]
need to take ownership for a mistake
that our neighbors uh made and certainly
[1:21:20]
understand that human error is a
situation that occurs often. The
[1:21:24]
difference is whether or not you take
ownership for it. So, I hope that they
[1:21:26]
do take ownership for it and that they
can meet the moment with the previous
[1:21:30]
speaker who asked for an apology. that
to in my opinion is not your apology to
[1:21:35]
render. Um, and with that being said,
city manager, I know that we've
[1:21:38]
discussed this, but as I've been out
engaging the community, not only does
[1:21:42]
the county need to be at the table, but
the board of education needs to be at
[1:21:45]
the table when we talk about these
incentives, as well as um I think we
[1:21:49]
need to lean on the expertise of our
business community. And I would also
[1:21:52]
like to see before we make a decision on
what that economic incentives package
[1:21:57]
looks like, which I know will be a
long-term process, it should go to every
[1:22:02]
single DAB board so we can get community
input as well, so that way we make sure
[1:22:06]
all factions and stakeholders are a part
of that conversation. Thank you.
[1:22:11]
» Thank you, Mark. We will continue with
public comment.
[1:22:17]
» Hello, Faith Martin. Uh, I've been
through this process with county and uh,
[1:22:23]
I think a lot of people don't realize
it's either exceeded or don't. We can't
[1:22:26]
do percentages or inflation or some of
those things. So, I imagine that you
[1:22:31]
will vote to exceed today, but uh on
this I do agree with the mayor that uh
[1:22:37]
as a as a taxpayer, as a private
property owner, you know, I get
[1:22:41]
appraised 25% higher year-over-year and
I don't see any I don't see any benefit
[1:22:48]
from that personally, and usually I'm
here speaking on other people's behalf,
[1:22:51]
but you know, when we get over year over
year exceeding exceeding exceeding to
[1:22:57]
the point where our budget is so bloated
that if we don't exceed, we can't even
[1:23:01]
pay for basic things that we need. And
so I would like to see a plan moving
[1:23:06]
forward if we know it's going to be
specifically 13 million or 12 million or
[1:23:10]
20 million that we're going over. What
is the plan for those specific dollars?
[1:23:15]
Is it to invest in infrastructure? Is it
to pay off debt? I think people get
[1:23:20]
upset when they don't see what that's,
you know, if we're going to take the
[1:23:24]
full appraised value and go over revenue
neutral, just show us what you're using
[1:23:28]
it for. I think that's what people want
to see. I I would hope that you don't,
[1:23:32]
but I know that it's going to exceed
because you budgeted for that 13
[1:23:36]
million, but I think if we can see what
you're doing with that 13 million, um
[1:23:41]
maybe it wouldn't be as painful. I know
it wouldn't be as painful to me. Um if I
[1:23:45]
know that it's paying for things that I
care about. Um so that's what I'd leave
[1:23:49]
you with. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Faith. We'll continue with
[1:23:53]
public comment.
[1:24:00]
Uh, Michael Girkin, 1818 Harbor Light,
District 6. Um, I guess, you know, I I
[1:24:06]
agree, Mayor Will, we can't just say,
"Oh, good. We get this much money
[1:24:10]
because we didn't raise the mill levy."
Um, I've seen my values go up 21% in two
[1:24:15]
years. Okay. Um, and what I really don't
understand is it's this attitude that we
[1:24:23]
have to spend, spend, spend. Where is
the attitude to get more efficient and
[1:24:27]
reduce cost? I never see it. We pat
ourselves on the back. We didn't raise a
[1:24:32]
mill levy, but we raising$ 13 more
million dollars. Okay? There's no I
[1:24:37]
don't see an effort to reduce cost. I I
was a business owner before I retired.
[1:24:42]
Every day we were cutting cost. We had
to to survive. You know, we didn't raise
[1:24:47]
our budget every year. We tried to cut
it. And I just think that we need to get
[1:24:51]
more fiscally responsible and figure out
how to reduce cost rather than just say,
[1:24:56]
"Oh, good. We didn't raise a mill levy."
[1:25:01]
[applause] Thank you, Michael. We'll
continue with public comment.
[1:25:13]
» Hello. Good evening. Zoe Chittik, 13521
East Rose Street. I believe I'm in
[1:25:17]
District 2. Um, you mentioned that
there's a public safety fund within
[1:25:21]
this. So, I wanted to ask what
percentile of this budget with our
[1:25:26]
public safety fund is spent on flock
cameras? How much of that increase is
[1:25:31]
spent on those? And where is our money
going when it goes to public safety?
[1:25:36]
We have about 190 cameras in Witchah
that WPD says they have on their
[1:25:42]
website. And I'm not sure how familiar
folks are, but the subs subscription
[1:25:46]
cost is about $2,000 to $3,000 per flock
camera. So, some quick math there is
[1:25:53]
that's about half a million. Now, I know
there's some active litigation ongoing
[1:25:57]
and we've had different cities in
Kansas, including um Wellsville, decide
[1:26:02]
to remove their flock cameras. So, that
offers a lot of cost savings. Now, do we
[1:26:07]
have any data on if these cameras are
actually helping our city or are they
[1:26:12]
just skimming daily information from us?
The last updates on the transparency
[1:26:16]
flock safety website on benefits on how
they were for the community were in
[1:26:20]
June. So, what happened in July and
August? Did it actually do anything for
[1:26:23]
the town of Witchah? If Wellsville,
Kansas is removing their flock cameras,
[1:26:28]
when will we? And how much money would
we get back to pour into humans in our
[1:26:33]
public safety resources instead of AI?
and would that create overall cost
[1:26:39]
savings in Witchah that taxpayers would
see coming back to us? Thank you. Thank
[1:26:45]
you, Zoe. We'll continue with public
comment.
[1:27:06]
first time here. Let's see here. My name
Good evening, mayor and members of city
[1:27:10]
council. My name is Jamie Kissinger and
I live in district 5. I'm standing here
[1:27:14]
tonight because I'm deeply discouraged
and frankly angry about how this city
[1:27:19]
treats the workers who actually keep it
running. My husband has worked n 39
[1:27:24]
faithful years for the city and public
works as a surveyor laying out the very
[1:27:28]
roads we drive on. He doesn't stay
because he lacks options. Contractors
[1:27:33]
try to recruit him constantly for far
more money. I tell him all the time he
[1:27:38]
should go, but he stays because he takes
pride in serving our community. He goes
[1:27:44]
out in 100°ree heat and freezing snow,
routinely catching and correcting
[1:27:50]
engineering, designing errors right on
the job site so our streets actually lay
[1:27:55]
out and drain correctly. Yet over the
last eight years, workers in the
[1:27:59]
division has seen only a 20% pay
increase, while other city sectors
[1:28:05]
receive over 29 to 39%. Tell me there
isn't something deeply broken in the
[1:28:11]
system. Our son
Oh, here we go. Sorry,
[1:28:17]
I lost my place.
[1:28:25]
Um,
[1:28:30]
our son recently hired on in a different
city department and within one year he
[1:28:35]
is making more money than his father
ever nearly for four decades of service.
[1:28:40]
I'm not asking for pity, but it stings.
As Esau Freeman pointed out in last
[1:28:46]
week's meeting, for every nine new
hires, you lose five within 180 days.
[1:28:52]
Because this isn't a livable wage, the
city saves massive amounts using
[1:28:56]
internal staff over outside contractors.
To make matters worse, the money that
[1:29:02]
was supposed to go towards essential
workers was pulled back during COVID
[1:29:05]
ARPA funds with only a fraction paid out
while the rest was redirected into
[1:29:10]
nonprofit grants. Now, you are proposing
to cut merit raises for the frontline
[1:29:15]
employees making well under $60,000.
While this city remains widely topheavy,
[1:29:21]
let's look at the math. A 3% raise for
an employee making $60,000 is $1,800 a
[1:29:27]
year, barely $100 a month after taxes. A
3% raise for an administrator making
[1:29:33]
$200,000 is an extra $6,000 a year of
taxpayers pockets. Does someone earning
[1:29:39]
2 thou $200,000 really need another $500
a month while road crews can't keep up
[1:29:45]
with inflation? Taking raises from
essential work workers who keep this
[1:29:50]
city functioning is unacceptable. This
city needs to be audited from top to
[1:29:54]
bottom. Pay our essential workers what
they deserve and stop cutting the bottom
[1:29:58]
to protect the top. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Jamie.
[1:30:03]
Council member Hoheiser.
>> Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Jamie,
[1:30:06]
for coming up for your first time. It
was uh really good job. You did a good
[1:30:11]
job there. Um I do want to say thank you
to all our workers. Um I'm a big
[1:30:16]
advocate for unions and a lot of that
pay discrepancy you see has to do with
[1:30:21]
uh certain employees in our organization
being unionized, but I do I do want to
[1:30:26]
say that we I do think we have ground to
make up with uh non-unized workers in
[1:30:31]
our in our city. um we need to treat
everybody and give them the give them
[1:30:37]
what they're worth essentially. So I do
appreciate you and your husband and
[1:30:40]
that's something I think we're going to
be working on over this next year. So
[1:30:44]
thank you for coming up and speaking.
>> Council member Tuttle.
[1:30:47]
» Thank you. Um thank you Miss Kissinger
for being here. Really appreciate it.
[1:30:51]
Appreciate your comments. I do just want
to clarify that not everyone in this
[1:30:55]
body has asked for merit uh cuts. Only
specific members have. Um, and we also
[1:31:01]
did an employee survey and we heard loud
and clear that that is not something
[1:31:06]
that employees are interested in. I've
said now during two of these meetings
[1:31:10]
that there will be no way that I am
supportive of cutting merit raises for
[1:31:14]
employees. All of us who who work in our
community know that it costs more to
[1:31:20]
hire and train an employee than it does
to retain an employee. and cutting merit
[1:31:26]
ra merit raises for our city employees
who work so hard every day to provide
[1:31:31]
effective and efficient service will
mean that we will lose good employees.
[1:31:36]
They will do exactly as your husband
could and go to another another
[1:31:39]
opportunity. So, um I think I've stated
from this bench twice, but I'll say it
[1:31:43]
three times. I would be in no way
supportive of cutting merit raises for
[1:31:47]
City of Witchah team members. Thank you.
[applause]
[1:31:53]
Thank you, Jamie, for attending the
meeting. We had a conversation this
[1:31:57]
afternoon, and I really appreciate not
just your son's service, but your
[1:32:01]
husband's service to the city, as well
as the 3,100 employees for the city of
[1:32:06]
Witchah. For context, I gave her that
information as well. The top 25 earners
[1:32:12]
at the city of Witchah get paid between
$298,000
[1:32:17]
to $181,120.
[1:32:21]
Those are the top 25 earners. Last week,
627 of the city's 818
[1:32:29]
nonUN employees responded to an employee
survey. rate of pay was their highest
[1:32:35]
priority, followed by merit pay. Tuition
reimbursement ranked last.
[1:32:42]
I appreciate their feedback in the
service of all $3,100 city employees. To
[1:32:47]
be clear, the proposal I was considering
for tonight would not have affected
[1:32:52]
employees earning less than $60,000 a
year. After hearing concerns about the
[1:32:58]
broader idea, I narrowed it to pausing
merit increases for one year for
[1:33:03]
eligible non-union employees earning
more than $60,000
[1:33:09]
in light of the city's difficult budget
condition, which includes $8 million in
[1:33:14]
budget shortfalls for 2028 to 2030.
It would not have reduced existing
[1:33:22]
salaries or affected the separate
general pay increase. Staff estimated
[1:33:27]
that the one-year pause could have saved
approximately $600,000.
[1:33:33]
I have listened to those concerns and
the proposal does not have council
[1:33:38]
support, so I will not pursue it. For
context, Cedric County's proposal is 3%
[1:33:46]
general pay adjustment plus a 1% scale
bump, whereas the city's proposal is a
[1:33:53]
2.5% general pay adjustment plus an
additional 2.5% merit raise. The US rate
[1:34:01]
of inflation last year was 2.7%.
That does not resolve the larger
[1:34:08]
structural challenge. More than 75% of
the general fund supports employee pay
[1:34:13]
and benefits. The proposed budget relies
on reserves, $3 million to be exact, and
[1:34:20]
an additional shortfall is projected for
the following year. The city manager and
[1:34:26]
human resources must comprehensively
examine compensation,
[1:34:32]
wage compression, frontline retention,
staffing, vacancies, and management
[1:34:39]
structure. The council must then be
willing to make responsible budget
[1:34:44]
choices that value essential employees
and protect taxpayers.
[1:34:50]
I am reading this because I shared that
before coming to this council meeting.
[1:34:55]
And so again, Jamie, thank you for your
thoughtful conversation. Um, and again,
[1:35:02]
thank you to the 3,100 employees and
those who are not represented by unions.
[1:35:07]
We do appreciate your service and there
should be pay that is commeasurate to
[1:35:14]
the value that you do create for the
city. And so I can see that pay is the
[1:35:20]
most important thing that individuals
value. But the lowest priority was a new
[1:35:26]
program that the city manager proposed,
which is a new tuition reimbursement
[1:35:32]
program at $300,000.
So I will be um asking for the delay of
[1:35:39]
creating a new program for tuition
reimbursement in the following vote.
[1:35:44]
Council member Shepard. Thank you,
mayor, and thank you to the speaker who
[1:35:47]
spoke courageously about the importance
of paying people what they're worth,
[1:35:52]
especially in this economy where people
are worried about how they're going to
[1:35:55]
put gas in their tank, food on the
table, and be able to provide for their
[1:35:58]
family. I want to also uh say that, and
I said this last week, that when we even
[1:36:02]
look at the data, 627 employees, non-UN
employees out of 800, 76.7 response
[1:36:09]
rates statistically significant. As the
mayor mentioned, uh not only rate of pay
[1:36:14]
but followed immediately by merit pay,
insurance coverage and retirement was a
[1:36:18]
top priority. But again, as we keep
spitting out these data points, we also
[1:36:23]
need to disagregate the data. Uh for
example, we keep saying that tuition
[1:36:28]
reimbursement ranked the lowest amongst
the poll. But we also need to
[1:36:32]
disagregate that data to figure out why
that is. meaning does majority of our
[1:36:36]
workforce already have an education that
they don't feel the need to go back to
[1:36:40]
college for or what is the average
salary of that particular household
[1:36:44]
that's working for the city of Witchah.
I know that the mayor did make the
[1:36:47]
recommendation to potentially freeze
salaries for anybody making 60,000 and
[1:36:51]
above. I would argue that that is still
very hard on a lot of Americans in
[1:36:55]
Witchens today who are making $60,000.
Uh we hear from the United Way all the
[1:37:00]
time about the Alice report and that
there is a such thing as the working
[1:37:03]
poor and that people are relying on that
next paycheck and they're one emergency
[1:37:07]
away from ending up in one of our
homeless facilities. And so I feel very
[1:37:12]
passionate about this. I think it's one
thing to say we value our employees.
[1:37:15]
It's another thing to ensure that the
policies and the actions align with
[1:37:18]
that. I'm not sure if we've done a good
job. Um, I know that our city manager
[1:37:22]
from the moment that he has walked in
has been very clear that he wants to
[1:37:25]
enhance the culture and morale in the
space. And I think that that does
[1:37:29]
include not only employee benefits, but
also making sure that we are honoring
[1:37:33]
our employees in a way that respects the
dignity, value of not just them, but
[1:37:37]
their whole family. It's why I want paid
family leave because when a person is
[1:37:40]
experiencing a loss in their family, uh
being an elderly parent or bringing a
[1:37:44]
child into this world, they should be
able to step away to spend their time
[1:37:48]
with that family and have pay associated
with that to uh recognize the value of
[1:37:53]
the whole person. And there's so many
more things that we can do. U my
[1:37:56]
commitment is to make sure that we get
there. I think tonight you're going to
[1:37:59]
hear some conversations about the start
of that for our employees, but to me
[1:38:03]
that is not even the the surface to be
completely honest. We got to do much
[1:38:07]
more. Thank you for speaking up for your
husband. Thank you for speaking up for
[1:38:11]
all the employees who don't feel that
they have both the ability to speak
[1:38:15]
publicly because the the culture of fear
is real sometimes. And also thank you
[1:38:19]
for speaking up for the people who are
currently out on the streets right now
[1:38:22]
working for the city of Witchaw and
cannot be here.
[1:38:26]
» C Vice Mayor Glasco.
>> Thank you, Mayor Jamie. I'll keep it
[1:38:31]
very simple. I agree with you and I said
that from the bench last week and for
[1:38:34]
any employee listening right now, you're
valued. We want you here. We want to
[1:38:38]
hear your concerns and you can come
directly and also express those as well.
[1:38:42]
And we want to know that this wants this
place is where we want you to work and
[1:38:46]
show your talents as well. So did not
support a cut to merit pay and I thank
[1:38:50]
you for standing up for a lot of the
employees who I've heard similar
[1:38:53]
sentiments for as well.
>> We'll continue with public comment.
[1:39:10]
Good evening, Mayor and Council. It's
good to see each of you. I know you as
[1:39:16]
individuals with high integrity, and the
things you're working with this evening
[1:39:20]
are not easy. This revenue neutral vote
is going to be a train already out the
[1:39:27]
station. I know you're going to make
that hard decision and vote yes. So, I'm
[1:39:32]
not going to belver the issue a whole
lot about can we lower property taxes.
[1:39:37]
That is obviously not going to happen.
Each of our government agencies
[1:39:41]
continues to add to their budget and I'm
not sure what to possibly do to stop it.
[1:39:47]
But uh I do have a proposal today that
I've worked on for the last couple of
[1:39:51]
years and shared with you by email to
help some of the people in our community
[1:39:56]
that are homeless.
They have no place to go to the
[1:40:00]
restroom. And it's a very difficult
decision for every single one of them.
[1:40:04]
Do I talk to the business that I go
into? Do I get them to use, you know,
[1:40:08]
allow me to use the restroom? This is
something that we all need to take care
[1:40:13]
of obviously in our own lives, but for
our homeless, there are about 700 of
[1:40:18]
them in our community that are in a very
tough bind. Now, this isn't my first
[1:40:23]
time to talk about this. I actually
brought this proposal two years ago.
[1:40:28]
I've sent a number of emails. I've sent
you links to other cities, parts of the
[1:40:33]
world that this is common. I've traveled
much of the world. I've been in India.
[1:40:38]
I've been in Russia. been in in Europe.
They have public facilities for people
[1:40:42]
who are visiting.
They have homeless just like we do, but
[1:40:47]
they also have places for people to take
care of their daily needs with having to
[1:40:51]
be shephered around and and and end up
going to the restroom out there on the
[1:40:57]
public street. This is embarrassing.
It's a tragedy. We need to pe treat our
[1:41:03]
our friends with dignity and respect. So
I ask you to please do this rather than
[1:41:09]
raise the whole issue of okay this is an
additional expense. Let's talk about
[1:41:16]
putting it under the second light budget
that you have a million dollars for.
[1:41:22]
I've done budgeting for 50 years. I know
that money is funible. You have an
[1:41:26]
opportunity to take the funds you
already are going to appropriate for
[1:41:29]
that facility and say all right let's
put that $50,000 that I'm requesting in
[1:41:35]
that budget. Make sure that happens.
Make sure that the uh public works
[1:41:40]
people pick up the containers every day
or two whenever they need to have them
[1:41:45]
recycled. But the actual equipment, I've
sent you an email. It's only $5,000
[1:41:51]
for three toilets. Those toilets can
serve as a major major opportunity for
[1:41:57]
people to feel like they're respected in
our community and we don't have to worry
[1:42:01]
about them being chased around, put in
jail for public indecency or having the
[1:42:07]
uh businesses having to continually say
no, you can't use my facility. This is
[1:42:12]
something that can stop.
Now, I want to take a second opportunity
[1:42:16]
while I'm here at the at the microphone
to mention we have a major problem with
[1:42:22]
diseased trees in our city. The drought
and disease is killing many of our trees
[1:42:28]
on private property as well as public.
And I don't know if it's already in your
[1:42:33]
budget someplace, but somehow we need to
work with homeowners and businesses and
[1:42:38]
be able to say, "All right, if you've
got a tree down, let's find a way to get
[1:42:41]
that wood off of that property rather
than just have it lay out there for
[1:42:46]
years and years and accumulate.
This is something that we can do as a
[1:42:50]
public private combination that will
help all of us clean up our city and
[1:42:55]
make sure that these disease trees are
actually removed and we can get on to
[1:43:00]
taking care of our own. If you have any
questions about that, I'd be glad to
[1:43:04]
talk to you more about it. On my own
property, I have four trees down. I'm
[1:43:09]
cutting them up with chainsaws. That's
really uh something I'm able to do, but
[1:43:14]
a lot of other people aren't. So, I ask
you to find a way to make sure that the
[1:43:19]
city is involved in helping us remove
that wood and get it out of the
[1:43:23]
community. I thank you for your time.
God bless you.
[1:43:27]
» Thank you, Walt.
We'll continue with public comment.
[1:43:41]
Good evening. My name is Zach Wehan and
I live in District 1.
[1:43:45]
City Council, Mayor, City Manager, thank
you for the work that you've done on
[1:43:49]
this budget. It's much appreciated.
Property taxes seems to be one of the
[1:43:54]
hot topic issues in the state of Kansas
that's generating frustration. It spans
[1:44:00]
generations. Young people, retirees on
fixed incomes are all looking for
[1:44:04]
solutions.
So, your vote with this budget matters
[1:44:07]
beyond Witchah. I believe how we handle
property taxes here can show the rest of
[1:44:12]
Kansas what a better path forward can
look like. Because regardless of what
[1:44:16]
other cities are doing, I don't think
Kansas has solved its property tax
[1:44:20]
issue. So, here's my ask. I'm asking
city, excuse me, I'm asking the city
[1:44:25]
council and mayor and the city manager
to cap property taxes at inflation and
[1:44:29]
new construction, no matter how far
appraisals rise or whether the levy ends
[1:44:34]
up getting set. That way, every citizen
knows that there's a ceiling on how far
[1:44:40]
taxes can go up. In Witchaw, we have
firsttime homeowners who save for years
[1:44:45]
to afford their house, and now their tax
bill climbs a little higher
[1:44:49]
year-over-year.
On the other end, we have retirees who
[1:44:52]
have paid off their homes, who raised
their whole family in that house, and
[1:44:56]
are watching the same bill climb year
after year. This creates a tension for
[1:45:01]
our people and a cap at inflation and
new construction fixes this tension. It
[1:45:06]
hands our people predictability and
predictability is the ground that growth
[1:45:11]
is built on. When a family or a business
can count on what next year's bill looks
[1:45:16]
like, they can plan, they can invest,
and they can stay. Because evaluations
[1:45:21]
here climb this year, that same rate
pulls in 13 million more than it did
[1:45:25]
last year without a single vote to raise
anyone's rate. That's unpredictable
[1:45:29]
growth. How much will it be next year?
Now, a cap at inflation and new
[1:45:34]
construction raises a fair question.
What happens to the essential services
[1:45:38]
we count on? I believe a cap does not
starve their work. It disciplines it.
[1:45:44]
And discipline is what protects protects
predictability itself. A cap means our
[1:45:49]
budget is built on discipline. And a
disciplined budget is one that taxpayers
[1:45:53]
can put their trust in and it holds up
when the next hard year comes.
[1:45:58]
And here is why I believe Witchaw
specifically is the right place to lead
[1:46:02]
on this. When the state finally picks
this up in the next legislative session,
[1:46:07]
they have a very difficult version of
this job. They have to create one rule
[1:46:11]
that fits every city in Kansas. And that
tends to work better on paper than in
[1:46:16]
practice.
A cap at inflation and new construction
[1:46:20]
says in writing that growth is our
strategy. that as a city, growth is how
[1:46:27]
we continue to get to the next level,
not another year of squeezing the same
[1:46:31]
taxpayers just a little bit harder. And
this city council and mayor has worked
[1:46:36]
hard for the city to grow. Thank you.
The businesses you've welcomed, the
[1:46:40]
development you've championed, I'm
asking you to keep going and cheering
[1:46:43]
you on along the way.
When growth is the front and center
[1:46:49]
strategy of the city, it's what turns a
cap from a one-year gesture into an
[1:46:53]
actual promise that we pass forward of
keeping our taxes low. And finally, my
[1:46:58]
last ask is for the people in this room
and every Witchaw citizen, for the
[1:47:02]
people online, if you guys can finally
hear, if we as citizens are serious
[1:47:06]
about wanting growth in our city, it
doesn't just happen because of the team
[1:47:09]
sitting in front of this chamber. A city
grows because of one thing. It's people.
[1:47:15]
You and your family make up our
communities, businesses, schools. And
[1:47:19]
when you also choose to invest in your
neighborhood, your place of work, your
[1:47:23]
home, invest in Witchah, that is what
makes a city thrive and grow. So I'm
[1:47:29]
asking you to make the same commitment
that I'm asking this council to make
[1:47:32]
tonight. A commitment to grow together.
And as a proud Witchaw resident, I'm
[1:47:36]
asking you to put a cap at inflation and
new new construction in place to show
[1:47:41]
the rest of Kansas what property tax
leadership looks like. Thank you.
[1:47:47]
» Thank you, Zach. We'll continue with
public comments.
[1:47:56]
» I see no one else from the public who
would like to speak. Thank you to the
[1:48:00]
seven. Oh, we have one more.
[1:48:10]
Good evening, Mayor and Council members.
I did not come tonight with anything
[1:48:15]
prepared. I just wanted to come and hear
what all is being said, but after seeing
[1:48:21]
the proposal of what my taxes are going
to be being retired now and how much
[1:48:26]
they're going to raise them, I have deep
concern for that as well as many other
[1:48:32]
people around this city.
And I don't know what it's going to take
[1:48:39]
out of the council, out of the mayor,
out of the whole
[1:48:45]
body of people that control and are
overseeing our budget and those kind of
[1:48:51]
things. But I look at our streets, how
terrible they are, all and I look and I
[1:48:55]
see the commercial buildings and the
residential and the taxes that are
[1:49:00]
coming from all the people. and I see
the the poor uh condition of lots of
[1:49:07]
things and I I ask where are all of our
tax dollars going
[1:49:13]
where
that's a lot of money
[1:49:18]
and so I am begging the council I'm
begging all city officials if you are in
[1:49:23]
a position to
be able to look into
[1:49:29]
where our dollars are going and I think
all of this should be transparent to me
[1:49:33]
as a taxpayer and every other citizen of
the of the city here. We should all know
[1:49:39]
exactly where those dollars are going.
You all have to have accountability to
[1:49:44]
me, the taxpayer, and all of us where
our money's going. And to hide things or
[1:49:50]
do anything like that is totally out of
line. It should not be happening. And
[1:49:56]
you all need to humble yourselves and
treat everybody the way they should and
[1:50:01]
need to be treated
and make sure that you guys are taking
[1:50:05]
care of us. We rely upon all of you that
are in these positions to take care of
[1:50:10]
us and to do the right thing. And I'm
not seeing that happen here. I haven't
[1:50:16]
seen it for a long time. I've been in
Witchah all my life,
[1:50:20]
67 years. And the things that I'm seeing
here, the last five to six, they appall
[1:50:27]
me.
Where are the dollars going, guys?
[1:50:31]
There's got to be accountability to me
and to the whole city. There's got to
[1:50:36]
be.
I'm retired now. I'm on a limited budget
[1:50:41]
and I expect for you guys to help me
maintain things to I I mean, I'm much
[1:50:47]
more well off than a lot of the citizens
here in Witchah. I don't know how these
[1:50:51]
people on minimum wage are making it as
we see these tax dollars keep going up.
[1:50:57]
So I say again, humble yourselves, do
the right thing, and look into where
[1:51:02]
these dollars are going and give me and
every other Witchah resident
[1:51:08]
some answers on where they are. You guys
have accountability and you you owe it
[1:51:13]
to us. you took your oath to come in and
do what you're supposed to do and that
[1:51:18]
oath should be taken very seriously
because it is affecting a lot of people
[1:51:23]
a lot.
So, I'm asking you guys to not approve
[1:51:30]
raising the
what is DN the RNR? Is that what it is?
[1:51:36]
To leave it alone.
Take a look at things. Get a good get a
[1:51:41]
good grip on what's going on and show
some accountability and win the support
[1:51:48]
from the Witchah people. I think you
talk about this wanting the the citizens
[1:51:53]
to work with you, then do the right
thing and make it right and we'll all
[1:51:57]
work with you. Okay. So, thank you very
much. Thank you, mayor, for what you're
[1:52:01]
doing and thank you council members for
what you're doing. Let's do the right
[1:52:05]
thing. Okay.
>> Can you please share your name and your
[1:52:09]
district?
>> Yes. Grant Delmar, District 4. I'm a
[1:52:11]
former District 4 advisory council
member.
[1:52:15]
» Thank you very much, Grant.
>> Thank you very much, guys.
[1:52:19]
We'll continue with public comment.
[1:52:24]
I see no one else from the public who
would like to speak on the revenue
[1:52:28]
neutral rate for the city's budget.
Thank you to the eight speakers who
[1:52:33]
spoke before the council this evening.
We will now bring it back to the bench.
[1:52:39]
Um as my intention is not to vote in
favor of revenue neutral, um I will not
[1:52:44]
be making that motion today. Vice Mayor
Glascop.
[1:52:48]
» Mayor with a motion to close the public
hearing record, approve the resolution
[1:52:52]
to exceed the revenue neutral rate for
the city of Witchaw and conclude the
[1:52:55]
public hearing and authorize the
necessary signatures. Um, with the
[1:52:59]
understanding that again from
Mark Manning's uh comments earlier, if
[1:53:04]
we take one additional dollar, we have
to exceed this. And I haven't heard a
[1:53:07]
proposal from anybody at this bench on
how to cut $13 million from the budget.
[1:53:12]
Um I think there is legitimate concerns
about the amount that we bring in but
[1:53:18]
that is not uh for this discussion.
That's for the budget discussion to
[1:53:21]
happen in a second. So with that motion
>> second and I agree with everything you
[1:53:25]
said.
>> Motion second. Discussion. See none.
[1:53:30]
Madame clerk can you please open the
role by voice?
[1:53:34]
» Yes. Mayor Woo. What is your vote?
>> Nay.
[1:53:38]
» Vice Mayor Glasco.
>> I.
[1:53:39]
» Council member Shepard.
>> I.
[1:53:41]
» Council member Tuttle. I.
>> Council member Hohheisel.
[1:53:44]
» I.
>> Council member Johnson.
[1:53:46]
» I.
>> Council member Ballard.
[1:53:47]
» I.
>> Motion passes 6 to one.
[1:53:51]
» Madame Clerk, please call the next item.
[1:53:58]
» 2027 annual operating budget and 2027 to
2036 capital improvement program.
[1:54:12]
Good evening, Mayor and Council. Dennis
Marsall, city manager. It's a pleasure
[1:54:16]
to be before you again tonight on budget
adoption night. We've had several
[1:54:21]
meetings where we've talked about the
budget. Um we have here what's on the uh
[1:54:27]
proposed budget tonight. We're going to
walk through how when we put this budget
[1:54:30]
together. Uh, one I want to highlight
the department directors certainly their
[1:54:35]
work and the finance team and so putting
together a city budget one that's really
[1:54:40]
around the hund 825 million range is
certainly got a lot of complex um facets
[1:54:47]
to it when you talk about debt service
talk about revenue neutral there's a lot
[1:54:51]
of parts to help bring the community
along to understand how a municipal
[1:54:55]
budget comes together we have certainly
tried to be transparent um all past
[1:54:59]
budgets and this proposed budget
budget's been online. Um, and so we have
[1:55:04]
put this out there so people can see
line by line what departments are
[1:55:07]
funded, excuse me, funded in what manner
and what line item. But as we put this
[1:55:12]
budget together, I first presented this
in July 14th of this summer. And it was
[1:55:17]
a reflection of many factors certainly
with meetings with department directors
[1:55:22]
and a review of the many budget requests
that they submitted. As I went through
[1:55:26]
it from my review, we looked at wants
and needs. We certainly looked at
[1:55:30]
service delivery levels, inflation
impacts, current staff workloads, and
[1:55:35]
past staffing and efficiency adjustments
among others. Um, what you've seen in
[1:55:40]
this budget is recommendations for more
staffing, particularly when you look at
[1:55:44]
the fire department, but it's been a
judicious request in some of the other
[1:55:49]
areas that have been noted in the budget
presentation
[1:55:52]
as we looked at this. Also, when you
start out with a budget and you look at
[1:55:56]
what's ahead in the coming year, we've
got to honor our labor agreements. And
[1:56:01]
so, when you talk about revenue neutral,
part of that is impacted by the more
[1:56:06]
than five labor agreements that we have
to manage and if they have cost
[1:56:10]
escalations for increase in pay, salary,
wages, and merit. Those all were factors
[1:56:16]
as we put this budget together. Um
certainly as we looked at that again as
[1:56:20]
we said what are the priorities of the
city council we looked at such things as
[1:56:25]
preventive maintenance. We've heard
about tree care. When you think about
[1:56:28]
running everything from animal shelter
to zoning services in a 400,000 top 50
[1:56:34]
city there's a lot of wants and needs.
But we also looked at our existing labor
[1:56:38]
and commodity contracts. And certainly
my focus in my first eight months is
[1:56:43]
looking at our workforce and employee
morale. So given all that, this has been
[1:56:47]
some of the thoughts and some of the
inputs that go into putting together the
[1:56:52]
budget recommendation that I've put
since July 14th. Um, as we've
[1:56:56]
highlighted on here, we're aligned with
the city's strategic plan and it's
[1:56:59]
funded with a stable mill levy rate. Um,
we do have engagement as we've talked
[1:57:04]
about. We even did community town halls,
seven specifically. This is again our
[1:57:10]
last budget hearing. We've had one on
July 14th, August 4th, August 18th, and
[1:57:15]
August 25th. So, council and I could
hear from the citizens as this budget
[1:57:20]
was presented on July 14th. And as we
highlighted, this budget is available
[1:57:25]
presently at witchaw.gov/budget.
[1:57:29]
So, we do talk about it being balanced.
We do have healthy fund balances or
[1:57:33]
savings that are associated with it. Um,
but we do recognize future funding
[1:57:38]
concerns. part of the conversation that
you're having now and that we've looked
[1:57:42]
at in 2027, 2028, and 2029. How are we
sustaining our labor contracts? How are
[1:57:49]
we sustaining just like families around
the kitchen table, the cost of
[1:57:54]
inflation? Whether you think about your
own insurance costs when you see things
[1:57:58]
go up, the cost of gas, when you look at
what a road mile cost 5 years ago versus
[1:58:03]
what the city's paying today. All these
are different factors that continue to
[1:58:07]
impact the city's budget going forward.
But more importantly,
[1:58:12]
we've said it before, what the state
does impacts us here at the local level.
[1:58:18]
There are certainly last year during the
last legislative session were several
[1:58:22]
proposals in the state legislature about
capping property taxes.
[1:58:27]
That again seems to be a conversation
that will be entertained come January at
[1:58:32]
the new legislative session. that will
clearly have an impact as we go forward.
[1:58:37]
So, how do we think about that? How do
we plan for that based upon the variety
[1:58:41]
of proposals that were presented last
year and might be re um presented again
[1:58:46]
in the upcoming legislative session. Um
but again, our focus on our core
[1:58:50]
priorities as I talk about, yes, we do
talk about wants and needs, but what are
[1:58:54]
the core functions and priorities that
this community wants for a service level
[1:58:59]
that witchens want to have? thinking
about our tree canopy and different
[1:59:03]
things that we've heard about. Thinking
about our parks and recreation and
[1:59:06]
services and programs and the condition
of our parks um and plantings and
[1:59:11]
different things that we've heard from.
As we put this together, I want to kind
[1:59:16]
of wrap up my section and invite our
director of finance, Mark Manning, up.
[1:59:19]
As I said, this is roughly $825 million
budget. Um you'll see here where the
[1:59:24]
city dollars come from. Property taxes
as was highlighted earlier and then
[1:59:28]
sales taxes and other sources are
highlighted in that graph. And then
[1:59:32]
where the dollars go. As we talk about
being a municipality, we are staff
[1:59:37]
heavy. It takes people to provide
services. It takes people to do our road
[1:59:42]
work engineering to run our parks and
recreation to maintain our trees to
[1:59:47]
maintain our utility system. It takes
staff intensive and certainly public
[1:59:52]
safety. As we said or I said earlier,
this budget has a proposal for new
[1:59:58]
firefighters to staff a new fire
station. I've also got some limited
[2:00:02]
requests or recommendations in there for
our police department. Um, we've also,
[2:00:07]
as you take into account, we do have
some vacancies. The good news is is
[2:00:11]
we've been filling the positions in our
police department. We have been filling
[2:00:15]
some of our positions that were vacant
in the last year or two. That again has
[2:00:19]
a full cost effect that we've got to
account for in our funding and our
[2:00:24]
wages. And certainly I can't leave this
podium without recognizing the
[2:00:28]
employees. You've heard certainly from
the survey that we've done this week. Um
[2:00:33]
you've heard from my focus that I do
have a recommendation in here for a new
[2:00:38]
uh benefit. It is called the tuition
assistance program. Understanding not
[2:00:42]
everyone will be interested in that, but
I do think it's something to help invest
[2:00:45]
in our employees. We're also looking at
our health program in terms of thinking
[2:00:50]
about short-term disability being
offered. There's a way to help address
[2:00:54]
some people's interests and needs for
family leave time and how we might get
[2:00:58]
at that at a different way. So, there's
a whole bunch of strategies that we can
[2:01:02]
put together that not not nearly full
cost on the taxpayer. And so, we do look
[2:01:06]
for these efficiencies, but also
recognizing the value of our employees
[2:01:11]
certainly from public safety on down. As
I said, when you go from A to Z in city
[2:01:16]
services, that's 3,100 people who are
providing for the 400,000 people in the
[2:01:22]
city of Witchah. Um, then when you look
where the dollars go, certainly salary
[2:01:26]
and benefits, as we've highlighted,
contractuals to do some of our work with
[2:01:30]
support, but a lot of it's debt service.
We have that mentioned here on the pie
[2:01:34]
chart, how we do pay for our bills and
for our debt service. Um, as you look,
[2:01:40]
we say it is balanced. Um certainly we
said planned that we would take $3
[2:01:45]
million from the stabilization fund. So
again that is incorporated into this.
[2:01:50]
It's been planned from our savings
account um as we think about going
[2:01:53]
forward for some contract um
negotiations with our unions to honor
[2:01:59]
those pay increases to think about how
we address the pay for those who are not
[2:02:03]
in unions. Um and then you also see here
we break it out by general fund. As I
[2:02:09]
said, we probably have nearly 30
different funds when you look at the
[2:02:12]
airport fund, the general fund, the
transit fund, the uh utilities fund. So,
[2:02:18]
the general fund is what funds most of
general government when you think about
[2:02:21]
public safety. And so, we focus on this
one the most and a lot. And you see it's
[2:02:25]
352 million of our full budget, 825
million. So, here's the recommendations.
[2:02:31]
This is again as I said I met with
department directors reviewed the wants
[2:02:35]
and needs looked at the goals of the
council and put together my view and the
[2:02:39]
priorities going forward. These are some
of the um big items that um we've uh
[2:02:45]
evaluated and included going forward
knowing that the list is much much
[2:02:49]
longer for requests but this is again
what I thought was fiscally responsible
[2:02:54]
based upon citizen input and department
input as well for service delivery
[2:02:58]
levels. I will say there are things on
here that do have increases that we
[2:03:03]
didn't call out. Um for instance,
supporting um our transit with some new
[2:03:07]
transit route support. Um you'll see in
here we have again limited uh positions
[2:03:13]
for a community service representative
and a cultural service development
[2:03:17]
specialist. So some limited positions
that I felt were meritorious to be
[2:03:21]
included in my recommendation. And then
certainly as we talked about the fire
[2:03:26]
station 23 staffing is included in here
and some other support as we talked
[2:03:30]
about the tuition reimbursement as well.
So that kind of gives the overview of
[2:03:35]
what I looked at when I put this budget
together. And so certainly council
[2:03:38]
members, this is one of the key issues
that you get a vote on every year and
[2:03:43]
how you set the policy and what we
communicate as priorities is all
[2:03:47]
reflected in this budget. And I take
that very seriously as I put my
[2:03:52]
recommendation forward. And I I know
I've been asked and even people in the
[2:03:56]
community have said, "Well, how would
you help the mayor and council reduce
[2:04:02]
the use of the stabilization fund?" Or,
"I know there's other priorities about
[2:04:06]
having property tax relief. There's
priorities in having millage reduction.
[2:04:10]
There are different things about
different programs or more benefits that
[2:04:13]
people want. What I have said from the
very beginning on July 14th is if you
[2:04:18]
want to make some cuts or reductions,
I would start from what I added as new.
[2:04:24]
And so these two pages that I just
highlighted are what I consider the new
[2:04:28]
things added to the budget. And so
that's been my recommendation. I even
[2:04:32]
highlighted um in a memo to council this
week about we do have funds for $300,000
[2:04:39]
is what we've called contingency that
we've used in different manners over
[2:04:42]
previous years. That is again some more
opportunity if you want to reprogram
[2:04:47]
that, eliminate that, whatever it may
be. But I believe that my recommendation
[2:04:52]
is fiscally responsible, but certainly
understand there are different competing
[2:04:56]
priorities. And so as you continue
tonight for your deliberations, you'll
[2:05:00]
certainly hear from citizens and Mr.
Manning in a second, but I think that um
[2:05:04]
the information you have in front of you
gives you enough framework to work with
[2:05:08]
to meet your policy goals and objectives
so we can come to an adopted [snorts]
[2:05:12]
budget tonight. I will now ask Mr.
Manning to come forward as our director
[2:05:16]
of finance.
[2:05:20]
[snorts]
[2:05:25]
Hello again.
Uh I want to go a few other items in a
[2:05:29]
little bit more detail. some of the
recommendations in the budget. Uh, one
[2:05:33]
of the priority areas that we're trying
to address in this budget is
[2:05:36]
homelessness. Uh, we've talked about
this a lot in the past, so I won't
[2:05:39]
belabor it. Uh, but the budget would set
aside an estimated $5 million from the
[2:05:44]
permanent reserve to address
homelessness solutions. Again, what we
[2:05:49]
would envision is setting that money
aside so that it could be allocated
[2:05:53]
based on the prioritization of the city
council. uh but this recommendation
[2:05:58]
would provide a amount of money uh to
address those challenges that we face.
[2:06:04]
Let's talk about employee compensation
and I want to use this slide to address
[2:06:07]
some of the comments we heard earlier. I
think I can wrap up a couple of those
[2:06:11]
with this slide here. Uh we noted that
the general fund uh would receive about
[2:06:16]
13 million additional property tax
revenue. Uh this slide here shows you
[2:06:20]
that we have about $9 million budgeted
for employee compensation. that is
[2:06:26]
increases in employee pay for those that
uh do not have union contracts passed
[2:06:30]
this year, which is most employees. Uh
we do have a pay structure that provides
[2:06:35]
cost of living raises and merit
adjustments for those that are eligible.
[2:06:40]
Those eligible employees are the ones
that are not at top wage and who uh
[2:06:43]
perform within certain standards. So $9
million basically of that 13 million is
[2:06:49]
to address some of our challenges in
employees which was spoken about
[2:06:53]
earlier.
We also have health insurance and
[2:06:56]
pension contributions that we need to
make. Uh those are pretty sizable. We
[2:06:59]
talked about those last week, so I won't
belabor that point. Uh but this city has
[2:07:03]
a or this uh budget has a lot of money
invested in our employees.
[2:07:09]
I talked about the mill levy rate a
little bit during the RNR presentation,
[2:07:12]
but I wanted to show this slide again.
Again, this proposed budget is based on
[2:07:17]
an estimated mill levy that would be
exactly equal to the mill levy for 2026.
[2:07:22]
that is 32.340
mills. Now reminder, uh we do not set
[2:07:28]
the mill levy rate. Seduit County sets
that and they don't set it until
[2:07:31]
November. Uh it's based on finalization
of assessed valuations again of which we
[2:07:36]
have no control. Uh so I am telling you
what the estimated mill levy rate would
[2:07:41]
be based on the city manager's proposed
budget. uh it's likely it would be up or
[2:07:46]
down very slightly from that amount, but
just recognize that the final mill levy
[2:07:49]
rate probably will be slightly different
than what we're proposing here today.
[2:07:53]
But again, we are proposing a budget
with a estimated flat mill levy rate.
[2:07:59]
So, what's that mean to a taxpayer? Uh
if you own a home in Witchaw valued at
[2:08:04]
$200,000 just uh to pick a a point uh
about 29% of the property taxes that you
[2:08:11]
pay are going to come to the city of
Witchaw. Uh you also have to pay
[2:08:15]
property taxes to the county which is
roughly 24% and to the school district.
[2:08:20]
Uh this represents USD 259 which is the
bulk of the city of Witchaw. That's
[2:08:24]
about 46% of your property tax bill. In
other words, City Witchaw is a fraction
[2:08:29]
of your property tax bill. Uh that
homeowner of a $200,000 home would pay
[2:08:34]
approximately $744 a year in city
property taxes uh to the city. Uh
[2:08:43]
so let's look at the proposed budget
just on a uh kind of big big picture
[2:08:47]
basis here. Uh the proposed budget was
somewhere in the neighborhood of 352
[2:08:52]
million. That expenditure growth in 2027
is shown on this slide at 1.8 8%.
[2:08:58]
However, in the interest of
transparency, I did want to point out uh
[2:09:02]
that with centralization, we're moving
some costs off the general fund. Uh so
[2:09:06]
if you unwind that, uh the net effect
would be a general fund increase in 2027
[2:09:12]
of somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.6%
or relatively consistent what the
[2:09:16]
inflation rate is. But again, nominally,
it's increasing at 1.8. But again, uh to
[2:09:21]
be fully transparent, the impact of of
centralization actually reduces what uh
[2:09:26]
in reality would be a growth rate of
somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.6%.
[2:09:31]
Uh also note the asterk on this slide.
As the manager noted, uh we are
[2:09:35]
balanced. Uh we are balanced because
this budget is based on using $3 million
[2:09:40]
from our stabilization reserve in 26 and
27.
[2:09:45]
Let's look at that real quick. We're
going to come into the year somewhere
[2:09:48]
around $45 million in round numbers. Uh
based on the proposed budget, we would
[2:09:53]
use about 5 million of that to set aside
for homelessness solutions. And we would
[2:09:57]
use about 9 million of that over the
next three years to stabilize the city
[2:10:01]
budget, which would mean we would come
out in 2028 with somewhere around 31
[2:10:05]
million in stabilization reserve funds.
Now, reminder, uh this is our
[2:10:10]
stabilization reserve. Our general fund
also has a reserve which is more
[2:10:15]
relevant for us in a few areas. Uh that
reserve would remain somewhere in the
[2:10:20]
neighborhood of $52 million.
Reserves of course are very important.
[2:10:25]
Uh we would still remain well reserved.
Uh but we would utilize a little bit of
[2:10:29]
our stabilization reserve over the next
few years.
[2:10:33]
Let me talk about the CIP very briefly.
We've talked about it a lot in the past.
[2:10:37]
I won't take up much your time on the
CIP. CIP is a 10-year plan for community
[2:10:41]
improvements. you actually will be asked
to adopt that today as well. We like to
[2:10:44]
do them in tandem because they are uh
very integrated. Uh the CIP is aligned
[2:10:49]
to the community investments plan. Uh by
the way, statutoily the planning
[2:10:54]
commission is required to find that our
CIP is in conformance with that plan and
[2:10:58]
I'm happy to report to you that they
have made that finding in a meeting last
[2:11:02]
week. So we are good to go there. CIP is
designed to be financially viable. Think
[2:11:08]
of the CIP as a three-year action plan
and maybe a seven-year conceptual plan.
[2:11:12]
So, the first three years are things
that will come to you for uh project
[2:11:15]
approval for. We have relatively
specific plans. The seven years uh past
[2:11:20]
that are more conceptual ideas, issues
that departments see that we might need
[2:11:26]
to invest capital uh improvement funds
on. Maybe the plans aren't fully fleshed
[2:11:31]
out, but that's kind of the way to look
at the CIP. We tend to focus more on the
[2:11:34]
first three years. Here's the pie charts
for the CIP. It's about a $2.9 billion
[2:11:40]
plan. Vast majority of that money comes
from our water and sewer utility.
[2:11:44]
They're very capital intensive. You can
see the geo at large slice. That is the
[2:11:48]
property tax funded slice. That is
somewhere in the neighborhood of uh
[2:11:52]
380ome million dollars I believe.
I want to talk about property tax relief
[2:11:58]
program briefly. We have talked about
that in the past. Uh so I will go over
[2:12:02]
that again. Uh uh we did use a program
like this in 2024 and we're certainly
[2:12:07]
able to replicate that type of program
if that's the will of the body. Uh we
[2:12:11]
would uh recommend designing it around
the state of Kansas's homestead property
[2:12:15]
tax exemption program. That makes it
much easier for our applicants. It makes
[2:12:19]
it much easier for us to administer. Uh
as I mentioned last week, uh we don't
[2:12:23]
know exactly what the cost would be, but
we would guess that somewhere around
[2:12:27]
$100,000 would probably fund the
program. Uh we would suggest you that if
[2:12:32]
this is something of interest to you uh
that you approve the allocation of the
[2:12:37]
funding and direct staff to come back
with a more detailed plan. We'd be happy
[2:12:41]
to do that and then we would present a
plan to you for formal approval at a
[2:12:45]
later date. That'll give us a little bit
of time to make sure we can structure it
[2:12:48]
based on the prioritization and the and
the desired outcomes.
[2:12:53]
So our recommended action tonight again
tonight is the hearing in which we will
[2:12:56]
ask you to adopt the budget. Uh so let
me go through some of the recommended
[2:13:00]
actions and explain the actions we need
you to take. Before I do that though, I
[2:13:04]
wanted to take a brief second and talk
about uh some of the statutory
[2:13:08]
requirements. We set today is our
hearing date. Uh today ends at 11:59
[2:13:14]
p.m. which is relatively rapidly
approaching. Uh we would recommend to
[2:13:19]
you as soon as I'm done presenting that
you open the public hearing. We would
[2:13:24]
also recommend to you that when the
public comment period is over that you
[2:13:29]
formally close the public hearing before
you engage in your discussion. Uh that I
[2:13:34]
think would make us more statutoily
compliant because again we are required
[2:13:38]
to hold the public hearing today on
August uh 25th. So you know who knows
[2:13:44]
how late we'll go tonight. Uh, but I
think we would maybe reduce some of our
[2:13:48]
legal liability if you would have the
public hearing as soon as I'm done and
[2:13:53]
then at after the last speaker close the
public hearing and then we can stay well
[2:13:57]
past midnight if that's your desire and
take all the questions that you want.
[2:14:01]
Uh, I'm sorry, mayor, I forgot to
address one other question I was going
[2:14:05]
to talk about on I'm going to back up to
this slide right here. Uh, I talked
[2:14:09]
about the growth right here. Uh I I was
upstairs earlier and I understand there
[2:14:13]
was a speaker that asked about growth in
our library system. So I thought I would
[2:14:17]
address that briefly because I
understand that question came up. Uh the
[2:14:21]
library budget in 2027 uh does grow
about 14% actually. Uh but there's a
[2:14:27]
couple reasons for that uh which are
really not reflective of the financial
[2:14:31]
commitment to the library. Again, we
have a contingency that the city manager
[2:14:36]
recommended 375,000, but we also as part
of our centralization effort, we are
[2:14:41]
allocating our cost to the general fund
departments. Uh those two are really
[2:14:45]
more technical adjustments. Uh so if you
take those out, the library budget in
[2:14:50]
2027 to answer the uh public comment
question earlier tonight is closer to
[2:14:55]
about 5 a.5%. Uh library has some
challenges. uh they have a lot of
[2:14:59]
technology a lot of their software costs
did increase over the last uh year or
[2:15:04]
so. Uh they also have a very beautiful
and large building which we have to
[2:15:08]
ensure and building insurance rates have
gone up uh materially. So both of those
[2:15:13]
had an impact on the library budget but
in answer to the question library budget
[2:15:17]
did go up approximately 5 and a half% or
is expected to go up about 5 and a half%
[2:15:22]
in 2027.
So, back to your recommended actions
[2:15:26]
today. Again, we need you to adopt the
proposed budget as amended if you choose
[2:15:31]
to amend it, but we need you to adopt
the budget. We also have some ordinances
[2:15:36]
uh that you read for the first time on
July 14th. Tonight is the night in which
[2:15:42]
you will read those uh for the second
time. And uh we need you to take care of
[2:15:46]
that. Uh there's a couple of funds that
we are projecting we might spend a
[2:15:51]
little bit more than what we suggested
last year. The reason on both those are
[2:15:55]
they're activity based. Sometimes
activity is higher. That means revenue
[2:15:58]
is higher and expenditures higher. Uh
and that's essentially two in the
[2:16:01]
affordable housing fund. Kind of more of
a technical adjustment. Finally, uh we
[2:16:05]
would ask you to authorize us to take
the necessary steps to implement your
[2:16:09]
recommendations. Uh implementing the
budget is based on state statutes and a
[2:16:14]
variety of state forms that are very
complicated and difficult to fill out
[2:16:19]
sometimes. So, uh, sometimes it's
necessary for us to make adjustments to
[2:16:22]
make sure we can complete those forms
correctly and in in in adherence with
[2:16:27]
the budget that you choose to adopt. Uh,
we would also ask you to adopt the
[2:16:32]
proposed CIP.
And then finally, and we need to have
[2:16:35]
this done in a separate motion, uh, we
would ask you to approve the use of
[2:16:39]
local funds uh, derived from property
taxes within our corporate limits that's
[2:16:43]
allocated to Witto State University. Uh
you may remember that the county levies
[2:16:48]
a mill and a half for Witchaw State
University. We do not. The county does.
[2:16:53]
Uh but the city uh has a say in how they
spend 75% of that funding. And uh so
[2:17:00]
it's it's just kind of a formality that
we approve their expenditure of funds.
[2:17:05]
Uh since we have a role in in the
funding of WSU through the countywide
[2:17:09]
mill levy.
That's all I have. Uh that's the end of
[2:17:13]
our presentation. So, mayor, I would
recommend that you open the public
[2:17:16]
hearing and take public comment and then
close the public hearing.
[2:17:20]
» Thank you, Mark, and thank you, city
manager. Uh, to be in compliance, to
[2:17:25]
have public hearing first instead of
council members asking questions and
[2:17:30]
then public hearing and then um motions,
we will open it up for public comment
[2:17:35]
first.
[2:18:03]
Kevin Mcuarter, District 5. Good
evening, Mayor Woo and city council
[2:18:07]
members. I'm Kevin McQuarter, current
president of the Witchah Library
[2:18:11]
Foundation Board and past president of
the Witchah Library Board. I am here on
[2:18:17]
behalf of the foundation this evening
regarding the 2027 city budget and how
[2:18:22]
your decisions will affect the
operations of the Witchah Library branch
[2:18:27]
system. The foundation has been watching
this budget process since the beginning.
[2:18:32]
We feel we are partners with the city
since we both provide support to the
[2:18:37]
library. Our goal is the same as yours.
Support the effort to provide and
[2:18:42]
operate a worldclass library system for
all witchans. The foundation is here
[2:18:48]
this evening to offer its assistance to
the council to ensure that the goals of
[2:18:53]
the steering committee of the master
plan for the city of Witchah's branch
[2:18:58]
library system adopted by the library
board of directors and endorsed by the
[2:19:03]
Witchah City Council on June 11th, 2019
are accomplished. But first, I'd like to
[2:19:09]
take a moment to provide some history as
to how we got here. Because back in
[2:19:15]
2013, none of you were on the bench. I
was appointed to the library board in
[2:19:21]
2013 when the central library was
located on Main Street. There had been
[2:19:26]
years of community discussion regarding
renovations to address the extension
[2:19:31]
extensive functional and ADA issues or
to build a new one. In 2015, as
[2:19:38]
president of the library board, I was
appointed to the foundation board. And
[2:19:41]
it was then that a member of the city
council approached me and foundation
[2:19:46]
member Don Barry with the idea that if
the foundation would commit to raise
[2:19:50]
$2.5 million, he believed he could
secure four votes to get the new library
[2:19:56]
built. The city had set aside in
previous CIPs 40 million for a new
[2:20:01]
library. We agreed and said that if he
could get the votes, the foundation
[2:20:07]
would commit not only to the 2.5
million, but we would double it to 5
[2:20:11]
million. A few months later, the votes
were secured, but the commitment by the
[2:20:16]
city was reduced to 30 million,
resulting in a facility that would be
[2:20:20]
about 20% smaller than originally
planned. The foundation was
[2:20:25]
disappointed, but kept working. But we
eventually raised $8.8 8 million for
[2:20:31]
what is now the Advanced Learning
Library. It opened in June of 2018 and
[2:20:36]
was 29% funded by the foundation through
the generosity of hundreds of Witchans
[2:20:43]
and businesses who all believed in a
strong Witchita's public library system.
[2:20:50]
Soon thereafter, our previous city
manager suggested we needed a new master
[2:20:55]
plan for the branch libraries as the
quality of resources in each of the six
[2:21:00]
districts was nowhere near equal. And in
fact, district number three had no
[2:21:05]
library branch at all. The manager put
together a dedicated committee and after
[2:21:11]
two years of hard work, the branch
master plan was created. The result is
[2:21:16]
that district 3 now has a strong strong
branch presence with the Walters branch
[2:21:21]
and all other branches were renovated
and extensively expanded. The master
[2:21:26]
plan was completed in 2025.
The foundation is proud to have worked
[2:21:31]
with you by contributing another $2
million in our most recent capital
[2:21:36]
campaign to see that through. That is
the history. But here is the challenge
[2:21:41]
facing this council. The branch master
plan increased our overall square
[2:21:46]
footage by over 40,000 square feet. Now
that all the upgraded facilities are
[2:21:51]
available for our residents, it will
take additional funding to properly
[2:21:55]
staff. The city council and the library
board both knew this would be the case
[2:22:01]
when the plan was adopted. And let's be
clear, one of the goals of the plan was
[2:22:07]
to provide additional hours of service
to the public because most of the
[2:22:11]
branches were wolffully understaffed and
not open to our residents for enough
[2:22:16]
hours a week to fill the the library's
mission. That mission is the same as
[2:22:21]
yours. The foundation is concerned that
the council may not allocate all the
[2:22:26]
necessary funding to at a minimum
maintain current levels of service and
[2:22:31]
will not provide the additional staffing
needed for the increased square footage
[2:22:36]
the branch master plan agreement
provided. Therefore, as the foundation
[2:22:42]
desires to be part of the solution, we
propose the following. In addition to
[2:22:47]
our annual support, the foundation will
donate $300,000
[2:22:52]
to the 2027 library materials budget if
the city agrees to invest an additional
[2:22:59]
1.4 million to fund 22 and a half
additional positions representing the
[2:23:05]
minimum staffing infusion
necessary to sustain current library
[2:23:11]
operations.
[2:23:14]
Thank you.
Thank you, Kevin.
[2:23:20]
We'll continue with public comment.
[2:23:26]
Sorry. Good evening everyone. I'm Lwanda
Duchaer, District 1. Um,
[2:23:32]
I'm just up here once again to advocate
for organizations that work with our
[2:23:37]
youth and to advocate for a bigger,
not pool of money, but a distribution of
[2:23:46]
the money and that we really take a look
at grassroots uh, organizations that
[2:23:50]
work with our young people. You know,
um, for those that really know me know
[2:23:55]
how much I love football, right? And it
broke my heart this year when the uh
[2:24:01]
announcement was made that the city is
not doing little league tackle football
[2:24:05]
this year. Um [snorts] I love Reggie. We
have a great relationship, but I love
[2:24:11]
football, too. And I know what it means
to little kids to to be able to play
[2:24:16]
football. My son played uh little league
football with the city. My son played
[2:24:21]
football at Heights. My son went to uh
Coffeeville. Then he ended up at
[2:24:26]
McFersonen football scholarship and
academic scholarship. My son now works
[2:24:31]
for the Houston Texans. He gets a check
from the NFL, not on the field, but in
[2:24:36]
the back office because we instill not
just football, right? We instill pride
[2:24:42]
and community. And we always the ones
that really care, we let our kids know
[2:24:47]
that you won't advance if you don't do
well in school. And so again, it broke
[2:24:52]
my heart when I heard that little league
football has been cut. So as we think
[2:24:56]
about our youth, we think about how do
we um prevent crime in our older kids,
[2:25:04]
always say let's prevent it from even
happening and let's work with our
[2:25:08]
younger uh citizens in Witchah,
especially in the district I live in.
[2:25:15]
Sports is important. Um, it opens doors
to scholarships, like I said, to jobs.
[2:25:21]
And so, again, I'm just here advocating
for our young people. Um, although the
[2:25:25]
city of Witchah is not doing youth
football due to a lack of numbers,
[2:25:30]
people didn't sign up. They actually
signed up for another organization and
[2:25:34]
they're full. So, it's not that kids
don't want to play. It's not that we
[2:25:39]
don't have the numbers. I think just
like everything else, we have to sit
[2:25:43]
down and regroup and really think about
what can we do for our young people. And
[2:25:47]
it's not just football, even though I
love football. It's really about our
[2:25:52]
kids and trying to prevent something
down the road from happening. So again,
[2:25:56]
I'm Lewanda Deaser. I'm here advocating
on behalf of our young people and I'm
[2:26:01]
hoping that there is a pool of money
that we can distribute to lots of
[2:26:05]
organizations so we all can do the work
to prevent all this stuff that happens
[2:26:10]
down the road. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Lwanda. We'll continue with
[2:26:16]
public comment.
[2:26:23]
» Hello. Okay. Uh hi. Hi, my name is
Xavier Dyelbis. Miss Tuttle, you are my
[2:26:28]
representative. I'm going to have to I'm
going to have to talk a bit fast here.
[2:26:31]
So, uh, today I'll be speaking on behalf
of myself and many other citizens. In
[2:26:35]
the interest of seeing our local
communities flourish, I seek to address
[2:26:38]
the excessive share of city funds that
are directed towards our local police
[2:26:41]
department. Specifically, I will address
the following points in brief to be
[2:26:44]
mindful of time. How effective or
otherwise increased policing funding is
[2:26:48]
with regard to reducing crime. Solutions
for reducing crime through the lens of
[2:26:51]
root cause analysis. and the city's
priorities as expressed through the lens
[2:26:55]
of the 2027 proposed budget. To begin, I
will expand on the notion that increased
[2:26:59]
police expenditures improve crime rates.
Supporters of this kind of spending will
[2:27:03]
often use a common sense approach in an
equation that boils down to rate of
[2:27:07]
crime equals number of criminals minus
law enforcement capacity. Basically, if
[2:27:11]
you have enough cops, crime simply won't
happen. But as we are tasked with
[2:27:15]
guiding the city not towards the common
sense solution to issues, but instead
[2:27:18]
the best solution to issues, we must
question and examine that common sense.
[2:27:22]
To do this, it is prudent to research
the effect that more officers have on
[2:27:25]
the rate of crime. Historically, or so
far as I could find, that has typically
[2:27:29]
been done within spec specific regions
or jurisdictions. This means that there
[2:27:33]
is not a single comprehensive study on
the matter. Instead, we may select
[2:27:37]
criminology research that focuses on
what I quote, large enough populations.
[2:27:41]
For this purpose, I have selected a 2024
report from the Center on Juvenile Crime
[2:27:45]
and Criminal Justice titled More Law
Enforcement Spending Accompanies worse,
[2:27:49]
not improved crimeolving. The report
outlines that even though we often
[2:27:53]
perceive crime rates as ever increasing,
they've actually been on a very steady
[2:27:56]
decline since 1990 in which the entire
nation's homicide rate declined from 9.8
[2:28:01]
per 100,000 to just 5.5 per 100,000 in
2000. As of 2020, the earliest data I
[2:28:07]
could easily locate, that rate is at
roughly four per 100,000. Notably, this
[2:28:11]
does not include property crime, but I
hope it is illustrative of the trend.
[2:28:15]
The report expands on this, finding that
in California and despite unprecedented
[2:28:19]
levels of funding, the clearance rates,
i.e. the sheriff crimes solved by making
[2:28:22]
an arrest, experienced a 41% decline
from 22.3% in 1990 to just 13.7% in
[2:28:29]
2023. This is in spite in spite of a 46%
increase in total law enforcement
[2:28:36]
budget. and the fact that the number of
sworn officers per 10,000 crimes
[2:28:40]
reported has risen 129%.
With total law enforcement staff per
[2:28:45]
10,000 crimes reported having risen
144%. I believe at the last meeting a
[2:28:49]
speaker at a previous meeting expanded
on how this dynamic is playing out
[2:28:52]
within our own police department.
To be clear, I do not seek to blame our
[2:28:56]
dedicated law enforcement officers for
this gross misallocation of resources
[2:28:59]
being done by many cities across our
nation. Instead, I lay much of the blame
[2:29:03]
with various media providers who seek to
fill their 24-hour news cycle with any
[2:29:06]
and everything that will keep people's
keep people tuning in, which inevitably
[2:29:09]
leads people to believe crime is much
worse than it actually is. Indeed, there
[2:29:14]
is actual crime to be solved. But it is
made clear to me through engaging with
[2:29:17]
the existing literature on the subject
that simply hiring more officers or
[2:29:20]
giving them toys like robot dogs or
dragnet surveillance networks is
[2:29:23]
unlikely to improve crime rates in our
city. Instead, we may take a root cause
[2:29:28]
approach to crime reduction. This
involves analyzing the specific factors
[2:29:31]
that contribute to people to our people
deciding to commit a crime. These are
[2:29:35]
often things like these are often things
like housing and food insecurity, mental
[2:29:38]
disorders, access to affordable
healthcare, or freedom from
[2:29:41]
environmental toxins. While I feel our
city excels uh while I feel our city
[2:29:46]
excels compared to others in some of
these regards, such as mental health
[2:29:50]
support, thanks mostly to county
programs like Comare, we fall quite
[2:29:53]
short in other areas. Modern research
into this subject often finds that
[2:29:57]
expanded social safety net is far far
more reliable in reducing crime rates
[2:30:01]
than simply increasing the share of
budget going towards law enforcement.
[2:30:05]
This is theorized to be due to an
improved social safety net lessening or
[2:30:08]
outright removing the conditions that
often lead up to criminality. Finally, I
[2:30:12]
want to take a brief look at how the
city's priorities are expressed viewed
[2:30:15]
through the lens of our proposed budget.
In a budget, we can see an expression of
[2:30:18]
a person's or in this case a city's
priorities. For instance, in my budget,
[2:30:22]
I spend far too much eating out. This
indicates to me that while I may not
[2:30:25]
want to admit it, I actually really like
food. Additionally, I spend quite
[2:30:28]
generously on charity and donations.
This indicates to me that while I may
[2:30:32]
not always feel it about myself, I am a
caring individual who wants to help
[2:30:35]
others. So, when I look at our city's
proposed general fund, I see something
[2:30:39]
quite stark. Our biggest priority is not
putting out fires or fixing potholes in
[2:30:43]
streets or educating with our libraries
or providing child care to our parents
[2:30:46]
or providing green energy to our
environment. No, our biggest priority is
[2:30:51]
to make sure that there's plenty of men
and women with guns and body armor in
[2:30:54]
our communities. That is all. Thank you
for your time.
[2:30:58]
[applause]
>> City manager, I do have a question for
[2:31:02]
you. Um, I'm looking at the proposed
budget and it does not look like there
[2:31:06]
are additional police officers as part
of this budget. Is that accurate?
[2:31:23]
tree, our budget director, give you that
breakdown.
[2:31:26]
» Yeah. So, in the 2026 revised budget,
there are four additional police
[2:31:32]
positions in the police department. None
of those are police officer positions.
[2:31:36]
One is a sergeant and which is a
commission position and then four are
[2:31:40]
community service officers and those are
non-commission positions.
[2:31:48]
And can you also address how many new
firefighter positions do we also have?
[2:31:54]
So in the 2027 proposed budget, we did
not add new firefighter positions um for
[2:32:02]
the new station. We didn't itemize out
new positions. There is a line item in
[2:32:08]
the general fund mo that's probably
around page 67 that's for fire station
[2:32:14]
23. Um it's a lump sum for anticipated
staffing costs at the station. I know
[2:32:20]
that the fire department has applied for
a safer grant, but that's in place in
[2:32:25]
case that grant isn't successful. There
is one position that's added to the fire
[2:32:30]
department um and that is a position an
inspection position and it's fully
[2:32:35]
reimbursed by MABCD.
Thank you. We'll continue with public
[2:32:41]
comment.
[2:32:56]
Hello, Faith Martin, District 2. I know
you've heard a lot from me lately, but I
[2:33:01]
have a lot to say and I only get five
minutes at a time. So, um, this time, as
[2:33:05]
you can see, I'm here in support of
public libraries. I feel like when I
[2:33:10]
talk about public safety, and I try to
say this very often, public safety is a
[2:33:15]
lot of things. And as someone that lives
in a district that doesn't have any
[2:33:18]
libraries, I go to the libraries outside
of district 2. So I spend time at
[2:33:24]
Walters. I spend a lot of time over at
9inth Street. You know, uh it it's
[2:33:29]
important to me and my family uh that we
have access to these resources. The one
[2:33:34]
thing that hasn't been talked about is
the impact to the public if places like
[2:33:38]
the Advanced Learning Library and other
libraries do not have the staffing they
[2:33:42]
need to keep ours. You may not know
this, but I can't say no to
[2:33:46]
volunteering. And I'm on a lot of
boards, and those boards meet at the
[2:33:50]
Witchaw Public Libraries. Even our city
boards meet at the Witchaw Public
[2:33:54]
Library. So, if staffing makes it to
where we can't have board meetings
[2:33:58]
there, we are back to pegging to find
spaces for nonprofits or community
[2:34:04]
boards that have no budgets for meeting
spaces because we have graciously worked
[2:34:10]
with the city of Witchah. nonprofits
don't have to pay to use the library.
[2:34:14]
And there are going to be a lot of
community groups and nonprofit boards
[2:34:18]
that no longer have spaces to meet. As
it is, we're there till 8:00 p.m. on the
[2:34:23]
dot until the man uh in the booth starts
yelling at us to check out our books and
[2:34:29]
finish up because it's time to go. And I
hear that message two to three times a
[2:34:33]
week because there's so many boards that
use the library. $1.4 $4 million is a
[2:34:39]
drop in the bucket to some of the
budgets that we're talking about
[2:34:43]
tonight. Witchaw public libraries aren't
even 4% of the general fund. That is a
[2:34:47]
tiny amount for the number of public
safety things that could be addressed
[2:34:51]
through libraries. Look at the heat, the
terrible, terrible heat that we've had
[2:34:55]
recently. It was not just homeless
people that went to the library. There
[2:34:58]
are many people in my neighborhood that
do not have air conditioning that were
[2:35:02]
going to these public spaces because
there was nowhere else to go. I I think
[2:35:06]
we we think about public safety in too
narrowly and not funding public library
[2:35:12]
staffing uh and existing hours of
operation is going to impact the
[2:35:17]
community in a bigger way than you have
even anticipated because you think about
[2:35:22]
uh there's a quote that I love because
people think the library is just books
[2:35:27]
and that's not actually the case. Uh oh
gosh I hope I have it here. Here it is.
[2:35:32]
They say you can't judge a book by its
cover. Increasingly, you also can't
[2:35:36]
judge a library's value to its community
by simply looking at books. And what the
[2:35:40]
Witchaw Public Library does for the city
of Witchah is something that I don't see
[2:35:44]
in a lot of other communities. I'm
usually advocating to minimize budgets.
[2:35:48]
But I think you need to fully fund this
1.4 million or it's going to hurt
[2:35:52]
Witchah very negatively. And since I'm
talking about staffing, I would also
[2:35:56]
like to uh talk a little bit about the
CIP. Um
[2:36:01]
I would like the fire to be staffed
more. Obviously, station 15 is my local
[2:36:05]
station, and I am heartbroken sometimes
to see that that station has is the only
[2:36:11]
one that's able to be on call right at
that moment because we don't have the
[2:36:15]
staffing levels we need to have multiple
fire uh to uh respond to calls. We live
[2:36:21]
in a very, very dense neighborhood and
we're very proud of Station 15 and I
[2:36:26]
would hate to see any other
neighborhoods that call in and they
[2:36:29]
don't have the staffing they need to
send people out to handle the things
[2:36:33]
that need to be done. Um, but the CIP, I
mentioned that uh I voted no on the
[2:36:39]
sales tax because I felt like we weren't
spending our money wisely. And when I
[2:36:43]
look at the CIP, it's more like a wish
list that we kind of write down and then
[2:36:48]
we put it somewhere and it may or may
not happen depending on who sits in
[2:36:51]
these seats next year or 5 years from
now. I would like to see community
[2:36:55]
oversight over the CIP, some sort of
advisory board that is not people that
[2:37:01]
are going to benefit from the CIP, but
the actual community that holds this
[2:37:06]
body and the city accountable to the
things that they say they're going to
[2:37:09]
spend their money on. If we say that we
care about public safety, I would love
[2:37:14]
to see every
>> Sorry about that. I would love to see
[2:37:19]
every um that's nine o'clock by the way.
I would love to see every fire station
[2:37:23]
that we said we were going to build
built. I would love to see the all the
[2:37:27]
projects that we have in there. We all
have different projects that we care
[2:37:30]
about, but the CIP seems to just be very
willy-nilly. And I would ask this body,
[2:37:35]
dabs don't really cost that much and
neither do advisory boards because we do
[2:37:39]
all the work out of our and we volunteer
to do that. I think there will be people
[2:37:43]
in the community that will happily step
up to give oversight to the CIP to make
[2:37:48]
sure that the things that we care about
in this community are funded properly.
[2:37:51]
Thank you.
>> Thank you, Faith. [applause] We'll
[2:37:55]
continue with public comment.
[2:38:29]
Good evening, Mayor and city council
members. My name is Jonathan Winkler. I
[2:38:34]
live in district 6.
>> I have also had the honor of serving on
[2:38:39]
the library board
>> for 10 years now.
[2:38:50]
» I want to say upfront
>> that we are thankful
[2:38:55]
» for any funding you do give us.
But
[2:39:01]
» at the same time,
[2:39:05]
» just if you just as you have had to make
difficult decisions regarding this
[2:39:10]
budget,
[2:39:13]
» we are going to have to make difficult
choices
[2:39:16]
» once you approve it. Since 375
>> Since $375,000
[2:39:22]
» for staffing
[2:39:26]
» is not enough
>> to maintain our current hours.
[2:39:35]
» The previous speaker mentioned
[2:39:40]
» staying at the library until closing at
8.
[2:39:45]
» We've been looking at
a plan that calls for closing at 7.
[2:39:53]
» No weekend openings at all
>> except at the advanced learning library
[2:40:00]
» and for Saturdays only there.
[2:40:05]
» So I just want to make it very clear
>> to all of you
[2:40:13]
» that this is a choice you have in front
of you.
[2:40:17]
So,
>> please do what you can to find more.
[2:40:26]
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Jonathan. And thank you for
[2:40:30]
interpreting.
[2:40:33]
[applause]
[2:40:36]
» We'll continue with public comment.
[2:41:02]
Good evening, Mayor Woo and council
members. My name is Brock Booker and I
[2:41:08]
am a resident of District 2.
I want to speak briefly on tonight's
[2:41:13]
adoption of the 2027 budget and the
10-year capital improvement program.
[2:41:21]
First, thank you for holding the mill
levy flat again this year. That matters
[2:41:29]
to families who are already feeling the
pressure of rising property valuations.
[2:41:36]
That said, city staff have been clear
that while this budget is balanced,
[2:41:42]
projections show inspixes outpacing
revenue in the years ahead. And I'd
[2:41:47]
encourage the council to start planning
for that now rather than waiting until
[2:41:52]
it becomes a crisis.
Second, on infrastructure,
[2:41:58]
I'm glad to see the 235 million
committed over the next decade for our
[2:42:04]
streets, and I'd ask that the project
prioritization stay transparent and that
[2:42:10]
older workingclass neighborhoods aren't
left waiting at the back of the line.
[2:42:16]
Thirdly, on housing, the $500 million
Second Light is a real and needed
[2:42:22]
investment in emergency shelter
capacity, but shelter beds alone don't
[2:42:28]
solve housing instability. I'd encourage
the council to pair this investment with
[2:42:33]
a broader strategy that helps people
move from emergency shelter towards
[2:42:38]
stable, permanent housing and housing
options for every stage of life.
[2:42:46]
Finally, public safety funding for fire
station 23 and additional firefighters
[2:42:53]
is good news for the entire city. I'd
only ask that response time equity
[2:43:00]
across districts remain part of that
conversation,
[2:43:04]
not just total station count.
This is a well-built budget.
[2:43:11]
And may my ask tonight is simple. Keep
an eye on long-term fiscal
[2:43:18]
sustainability.
Prioritize infrastructure equity across
[2:43:22]
neighborhoods and treat homelessness as
a housing problem, not just a shelter
[2:43:28]
one. Thank you for your time and your
service to the city of Witchaw.
[2:43:35]
» Thank you, Brock. We'll continue with
public comment.
[2:43:42]
I see no one from the public. That means
we will close public comment. Thank you
[2:43:47]
to the
>> If I may, mayor, before we close, could
[2:43:50]
we actually have a formal motion to
close the public hearing? Thank you.
[2:43:56]
» Thank you to the six speakers um who
shared their public comment regarding
[2:44:01]
the proposed 2027 budget. I move to
close the public hearing.
[2:44:06]
» Second.
>> Motion. Second. discussion. See none.
[2:44:11]
Madame clerk, please open the role.
[2:44:19]
Motion passes 70. We are now closed with
public comment and we'll bring it back
[2:44:25]
to the bench. Uh first and foremost, I
wanted to say uh thank you again to the
[2:44:30]
six individuals. All six of you um have
shared a portion of um additions.
[2:44:36]
Unfortunately, no reductions and that is
my biggest concern. I think one of the
[2:44:41]
individuals said you will have difficult
choices and these are difficult choices.
[2:44:46]
We have a budget shortfall right now.
We're taking $3 million from the savings
[2:44:52]
account.
We'll be taking 3 million additionally
[2:44:56]
next year because there's another budget
shortfall.
[2:45:00]
So, it is difficult decisions we have to
make. And as the city manager said, he
[2:45:05]
has proposed multiple items and I'm
going to ask for those slides to be
[2:45:09]
shown. Slides 40 and 41 are new
additional programs or individuals. Um,
[2:45:16]
and I think we I'm going to ask for
specific ones. So I know that we will
[2:45:22]
have lots of comments and questions. Um,
so I will start with um slide number 40.
[2:45:31]
Um, I wanted to know uh regarding the
current staffing at the library. Sorry,
[2:45:38]
this is not the library one 41.
Regarding staffing for the library, uh,
[2:45:44]
is there a plan for what $375,000
additional dollars will help cover
[2:45:51]
regarding staffing.
>> Mayor, thank you for asking that. what
[2:45:56]
was communicated to me, I believe the
finance team is that that can be
[2:46:00]
structured either for increase in
staffing for part-time
[2:46:05]
um nine positions or four and a half
positions full-time I believe is the uh
[2:46:11]
equivalent of how that money can be used
and then they would use that staffing
[2:46:15]
level to determine what libraries based
upon need and usage those staff would be
[2:46:21]
assigned to. But they're saying it would
be for backfilling and supporting
[2:46:26]
existing staff and to help relieve some
of our existing staff.
[2:46:33]
» Um with that, um I have a specific uh
comment regarding this and I don't think
[2:46:38]
there's enough on this council that want
to do this and I hear your plea from the
[2:46:43]
individuals who are asking for $1.4
million.
[2:46:46]
Um, and I want to say thank you to Kevin
who has served as your president of the
[2:46:52]
Witchaw Library Foundation. Um, I I did
want to ask and I will ask offline. Uh,
[2:46:59]
you did mention a member of the council
approached you about building this new
[2:47:04]
all um advanced learning library. So,
I'm going to ask who that was uh who was
[2:47:10]
able to secure the four votes. Um this
has been something that this council has
[2:47:15]
said we don't want to tie the hands of
future council members and that is the
[2:47:20]
responsible thing to do. Um and while
the branch master plan was adopted by
[2:47:26]
the council in 2019, none of us well
maybe one of us was on that council. And
[2:47:33]
so I cannot um in good faith right now
uh give you $1.4 4 million from what
[2:47:42]
currently looks like 3.962
million in new additional items. Um so I
[2:47:50]
I want to share with you that I do value
libraries and I don't think there's
[2:47:53]
anyone on this council that doesn't
value libraries.
[2:47:57]
Um but now given that even with 375,000
additional dollars um it would only
[2:48:05]
allow for uh either nine part-time
individuals or 4 and a half uh full-time
[2:48:12]
positions and there would still be a
reduction in hours. Um, this seems like
[2:48:18]
right now we need to have a deeper
conversation about how we're going to uh
[2:48:24]
move forward with branch hours because
even if we gave you the full um ask that
[2:48:30]
the city manager currently is um asking
of us of 375,
[2:48:36]
you have all shared that there will be a
reduction in hours. Um, so I am I cannot
[2:48:42]
in good faith uh move forward with um
having the city manager's proposal of uh
[2:48:48]
adding 375,000
if it's still going to reduce library
[2:48:53]
hours.
Uh council member Hohheisle.
[2:49:01]
» Thank you, Mayor. Um I don't really have
a question. I just want to go ahead and
[2:49:05]
get this moving along. Uh, so I will
make a motion to adopt the 2027 proposed
[2:49:11]
budget. Approve the second reading of
the necessary budget ordinances for the
[2:49:15]
tax increment financing districts in the
Smid. Um, adopt the second reading of
[2:49:20]
the budget ordinance for the city taxing
funds, including a technical adjustment
[2:49:25]
to align the estimated mill levy in the
ordinance to 32.340.
[2:49:30]
Approve amending the 2026 budget for the
Century 2 and affordable housing funds.
[2:49:35]
authorize staff to take the necessary
steps to implement the budget, including
[2:49:39]
budget adjustments, expenditure control
levels, budget administration
[2:49:43]
procedures, and adjustments outlined in
the agenda report, and to make any
[2:49:48]
technical adjustments necessary to
compete, complete and submit the state
[2:49:52]
certification forms, adopt the 27 2027
to 2036 proposed capital improvement
[2:49:59]
program, and approve the use of local
funds derived from property within the
[2:50:03]
corporate limits for
Witchah State University Board of
[2:50:08]
Trustees interlocal agreement between
the city and the county.
[2:50:12]
» Second,
>> mayor with a substitute motion. I move
[2:50:16]
that the city council adopt the 2027
proposed budget with amendments to be
[2:50:21]
proposed in a second. Approve the second
reading of the necessary budget
[2:50:24]
ordinances for the tax increment
financing to districts and the the SMID.
[2:50:29]
Adopt the second reading of the budget
ordinance for the city taxing funds
[2:50:32]
including a technical adjustment to the
aligned estimated mill levying the
[2:50:36]
ordinance to 32.340.
Approve amending the 2026 budget for
[2:50:40]
Century 2 and affordable housing funds.
Authorize authorized staff to take the
[2:50:44]
necessary steps to implement the budget,
including budget adjustments,
[2:50:48]
expenditure control levels, budget
administration procedures, and
[2:50:52]
adjustments outlined in the agenda
report and to make any technical
[2:50:54]
adjustments necessary to complete and
submit the state certification forms,
[2:50:58]
and adopt the 2027 20 through 2036
proposed capital improvement district
[2:51:04]
with these changes. that all general
fund savings resulting from budget
[2:51:08]
amendments adopted today after
accounting for any new general fund
[2:51:12]
appropriations
adopted as part of this package be used
[2:51:16]
dollar for dollar to reduce the plan
2027 transfer or draw from the
[2:51:20]
stabilization reserves into the general
fund. That would also eliminate 250,000
[2:51:25]
from the employee tuition program
appropriation from the 2027 general fund
[2:51:30]
and reduce the 2027 general fund
expenditures by 250,000. That leaves
[2:51:34]
50,000 in the tuition program. That we
would also reduce the 2027 general fund
[2:51:40]
line item tited titled unallocated
administrative cost from 1,447,332
[2:51:47]
to947,332
[2:51:50]
for a general fund reduction of 500,000.
That we would establish a $400,000
[2:51:56]
process and administrative efficient
saving target in the 2027 general fund.
[2:52:01]
And that staff are should report to
council during 2027 where that savings
[2:52:05]
was achieved. That the 2020
stabilization fund mean for second light
[2:52:11]
multi- agency center be conditioned on
them working to increase emergency or
[2:52:16]
low barrier shelter bed capacity based
on space and staffing. That we would
[2:52:21]
appropriate 15,000 in one-time 2027
general fund support for the mayor's
[2:52:26]
youth council funded from an equal
reduction in the council travel budget.
[2:52:30]
that 100,000 in one-time 2027 general
funding for a Witchaw property tax
[2:52:35]
relief program pilot to be developed by
staff and approved by mayor and council.
[2:52:39]
That we would allocate 50,000 to develop
and implement a community-based violence
[2:52:44]
prevention strategy from the manager's
contingency fund. that we would also
[2:52:49]
authorize a cash funded project for
urban forestry backlog and restoration
[2:52:53]
and approve the transfer of 400,000 from
the general fund to this project and to
[2:52:58]
eliminate 400,000 in goat atlarge
funding from the CIP allocated for Pony
[2:53:03]
Prairie Park and to direct staff to
close out the inactive CIP project
[2:53:07]
accounts totaling 400,000 and credit
those revenues to the general fund that
[2:53:12]
we would then reallocate 325,000
towards design and construct
[2:53:17]
vehicle mitigation improvements
including ballards or comparable
[2:53:20]
protective measures and that would come
from the allocation in the CIP towards
[2:53:25]
uh the police robotic dog and that we
would reallocate 150,000 from proposed
[2:53:30]
dash cams to the library budget as well.
>> Second.
[2:53:37]
» We have a a motion and a second uh
further discussion. I see council member
[2:53:42]
Hoheisel.
>> Thank you, mayor. Um, I like what uh
[2:53:46]
council member do uh Glascock or Vice
Mayor Glascock's proposed. I just have
[2:53:51]
one amendment proposal to transfer
200,000 from the city manager's
[2:53:55]
contingency fund to fund violence
interruption or intervention programs.
[2:54:02]
» I believe we need a second on the
amendment.
[2:54:05]
» Second
>> motion and a second on an amendment.
[2:54:10]
Madame clerk, please open the role.
>> We is there any discussion? Excuse me.
[2:54:14]
» Any discussion?
>> Any discussion? Council member Shepard.
[2:54:17]
» Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to
affirm Vice Mayor GL GlassCox's motion,
[2:54:21]
which is why I second it. I believe that
this is taking a necessary step to get
[2:54:25]
our libraries where they should be. It's
not at the full point of where it needs
[2:54:29]
to be. I hope that you get a commitment
from all of us to eventually get you
[2:54:34]
there over a reasonable amount of time.
This is a start, not a finish. Um, I
[2:54:38]
also appreciate the um ability for
violence prevention. Um, and I also
[2:54:45]
agree with Vice Mayor Glascock on the
efficiencies and savings as well as the
[2:54:48]
property tax relief. So, I appreciate
the colleagues uh for uh moving forward
[2:54:53]
these motions today and I think that
this is taking our community in the
[2:54:58]
right direction.
>> Council member John Stunn.
[2:55:02]
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh, I also agree. I
think this gets the libraries to 525,000
[2:55:07]
if I'm correct about 40% of their their
ask which helps a lot and I agree that
[2:55:13]
we need to continue to work on that in
the future. Library funding I think is
[2:55:17]
very very important and I also think it
rep prioritizes some some funds in our
[2:55:23]
uh in our budget um to uh
more community uh benefits and quality
[2:55:31]
of life. So, I will be supporting this.
>> Council member Tuttle.
[2:55:36]
» Thank you. Um, I just wanted to make a
few comments. Um, this is the eighth
[2:55:40]
budget that I've worked on since I've
been on city council. Um, and I've been
[2:55:45]
um
impressed with how this the majority of
[2:55:49]
this team has worked together. Um,
leadership is about choices and there
[2:55:53]
are hard choices to be made. We all wish
there was money to fund everything. Um,
[2:55:58]
everybody I think on this council has
things that they're passionate about and
[2:56:01]
want to see funded, but leadership also
means working together. Um, I've said
[2:56:07]
this every year, so I'm going to say it
the eighth time. The most important vote
[2:56:12]
that I make all year is on our budget
and where you allocate your treasure is
[2:56:17]
a reflection of your values. And I think
that is true tonight and that's why I
[2:56:22]
will be supportive. Um, I just wanted to
point out something too that um, Gary
[2:56:27]
Jansen, our director of public works,
has stated that since people always want
[2:56:30]
to know where the money goes, why does
it cost more? Why do you why are we
[2:56:33]
spending more? Since 2020, construction
costs for our utility projects within
[2:56:39]
the city, not just new builds, but if
we're doing a road, anything,
[2:56:42]
construction costs since 2020 for
utility projects have increased by 66%.
[2:56:48]
So what the community members, what you
are feeling, what I am feeling, we're
[2:56:52]
also feeling at the city of Witchah and
that's why we're trying to make these
[2:56:56]
hard decisions. Um I also just wanted to
um say that we've been working on this
[2:57:01]
for 9 months and kudos to us and I'm
going to thank a few other people, but
[2:57:06]
during the nine months anybody at any
time could have made any suggestions.
[2:57:11]
And so it's sometimes disheartening to
me when we get to this point and you
[2:57:16]
know comments are or decisions are being
thrown at the last minute, but at this
[2:57:20]
at this stage so far with what's been
proposed, I'm excited and it shows true
[2:57:25]
collaboration. Um I do want to thank
Mark Manning and the finance team. Um
[2:57:29]
Elizabeth, I hope you go home and get
some rest. Much deserved. I know y'all,
[2:57:32]
like I said, have been working on this
for nine months and couldn't be more
[2:57:35]
proud. also to our new city manager. Um
your first budget process um couldn't be
[2:57:40]
more pleased with your attentiveness.
You're willing to dive in deeper. You're
[2:57:45]
willing to provide us solutions and
options and things that we haven't
[2:57:48]
thought about before. So, thank you for
certainly being part of the process. I
[2:57:52]
also want to thank all the departments
within the city of Witchaw. Every
[2:57:55]
department had to probably give up
something, right? and every department
[2:57:59]
did a good job of fighting fairly for
what they think is important for the
[2:58:03]
work they do as content experts. And
then finally, I just want to say thank
[2:58:08]
you to my colleagues who have been
willing to have dialogue and
[2:58:12]
collaboration. And to me, that
represents bold leadership. So, thank
[2:58:16]
you for everyone for all of your hard
work. Looks like we're almost there.
[2:58:21]
» I have a question for legal before we
continue. We have an amendment that has
[2:58:25]
a motion and a second. Yes. Uh, can
another motion be put forward? Uh, an
[2:58:30]
amendment rather?
>> No, we can amend. What we're doing right
[2:58:33]
now is an amendment of a substitution.
That is where this one has to stop. I
[2:58:38]
think we can.
>> So, this one right now is at violence
[2:58:40]
interruptors getting an additional
$200,000
[2:58:44]
» intervention. It's the strategy, not a
program.
[2:58:49]
» Is that accurate? which would give the
city manager the full autonomy and
[2:58:53]
authority to work with the council to
identify a strategy where those dollars
[2:58:58]
would go.
>> Yeah, that's what's on the um item to
[2:59:03]
vote, I believe. Yes.
>> Uh I do have one additional question. uh
[2:59:08]
last year uh and two years prior uh
council member Tuttle had to uh abstain
[2:59:14]
from voting because she's a she is
employed by Witchah State's WSU Tech uh
[2:59:20]
arm. Will you need to do that?
>> Uh that's why his substitute motion did
[2:59:24]
not include the WSU and WSU Tech and so
that will be the next motion that will
[2:59:28]
be made.
>> Thank you very much, Council Member
[2:59:30]
Ballard.
Thank you, Mayor. I'm not going to um
[2:59:35]
share all of the same I mean I share all
the same comments um as my colleagues,
[2:59:39]
but I also wanted to point out I
appreciate um that the city manager
[2:59:44]
tried to bring back a tuition program
while we might not be able to fully fund
[2:59:48]
it this year. Um I appreciate that you
are thinking about uh ways to offer our
[2:59:57]
employees um additional education and
opportunity. So, um I will definitely be
[3:00:02]
supportive of all of the uh
conversations that we have had with this
[3:00:06]
amendment and excited for whatever
employees are able to uh utilize this
[3:00:12]
new opportunity.
I will add my comments. Um I will not be
[3:00:17]
voting in favor of this as I have not
voted in favor the last three years. Um,
[3:00:21]
and again, more specifically, this
budget takes $3 million from the savings
[3:00:28]
account called the stabilization
reserve. Um, while I understand that
[3:00:33]
many of the programs are important, it's
also prudent to not add additional items
[3:00:39]
that cannot be paid for or will continue
to have ongoing expenses moving forward.
[3:00:45]
And knowing that we have a budget
shortfall yet again next year, it is not
[3:00:50]
prudent again to not go line item by
line item going over each of these
[3:00:57]
proposals that the city manager
specifically has said are new items. Uh
[3:01:03]
so again, I appreciate that there have
been reductions. I appreciate that there
[3:01:07]
has been collaboration amongst this
council um through again Vice Mayor
[3:01:11]
Glascock, thank you for providing those
uh comments and that specific um motion.
[3:01:17]
But again, not in good faith can we
continue sustaining this type of budget
[3:01:24]
where we are outgrowing inflation
and we are outgrowing to the point where
[3:01:30]
we don't have a balanced budget. We're
only balanced because we get again $3
[3:01:37]
million from the savings account. That
is not a balanced budget. Um so I will
[3:01:44]
not be voting in favor of this motion.
Um and so I see that there are
[3:01:49]
additional individuals that want to
speak. Vice Mayor Glascock
[3:01:52]
» call the question on this amendment.
[3:01:56]
» Okay.
>> Motion. Second. Any further discussion?
[3:02:00]
There's council member Shepard.
Let's move forward.
[3:02:05]
» Uh, madame mayor, madame clerk, can you
please open the role?
[3:02:12]
» Motion passes 6 to one. Madam, actually,
we have to come back. Are you going to
[3:02:19]
propose?
>> I just general comments.
[3:02:25]
» Vice Mayor Glass.
>> Thank you. Now we're on the the
[3:02:28]
substitute motion that's on the floor
with the amendment that council
[3:02:32]
Councilman Shepard has made. Correct.
>> Correct.
[3:02:34]
» Okay. I just want to say thank you to my
colleagues uh who did uh meet with me
[3:02:38]
this week. I hope that the package
presented was a compromise of things
[3:02:45]
that we've heard from residents and
knowing that we did hear from people
[3:02:48]
speaking today as well. We're called to
lead and we have a duty to govern and
[3:02:52]
that's why we are elected and so I'm
thankful that we've stepped up um to be
[3:02:56]
able to offer a solution. Is there
everything that all of us agree with in
[3:02:59]
the budget? No. And we're going to have
those votes subsequently throughout the
[3:03:02]
year on each specific item. But I think
this puts us in a direction I think this
[3:03:07]
puts us in um a place where we also are
taking less from the stabilization
[3:03:11]
reserves and we're keeping more of that
in the future. I think that's good
[3:03:15]
responsible leadership and I'm thankful
for my colleagues that were willing to
[3:03:18]
compromise to get to this place and um
just thank you for your hard work on
[3:03:22]
this.
>> Council member Hois.
[3:03:24]
» Thank you, Mayor. Um to my colleagues, I
appreciate the work that you guys have
[3:03:28]
done on this as well. Um libraries,
we're going to try and get there. Um I
[3:03:32]
know it's not all at once. This is um
nobody looks at any budget that's passed
[3:03:36]
and says, "Oh, this is exactly what I
want." But we are trying to get there.
[3:03:41]
Um we did eliminate um a substantial
amount of money coming out of the
[3:03:46]
stabilization fund. We also looked at
some other um investments that we we
[3:03:51]
wanted across the board. um increasing
in dead tree removal as was spoken about
[3:03:56]
earlier is one of them. Um just a number
of other issues as well. So no this
[3:04:00]
isn't the perfect budget to our
employees. Um we are intent to work with
[3:04:04]
you over the next year. We did see that
tuition reimbursement was at the bottom
[3:04:09]
of um the the wants that you guys had.
We we got that survey here in the last
[3:04:15]
week. So, uh we are dedicated to see
what we can do to help um help with your
[3:04:20]
your lifestyle, help with the challenges
that you guys face because if we don't
[3:04:25]
pay our own people living wages, then um
that's a bad look on us definitely. So,
[3:04:32]
again, this budget's not perfect for
anybody, but um I think it's a good
[3:04:37]
budget. So, I appreciate everybody's
work on this.
[3:04:41]
» Council member Shepard.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I also want to uh
[3:04:46]
just acknowledge that this took a lot of
collaborative effort. And I know I say
[3:04:51]
that intentionally because I think that
often times the narrative gets
[3:04:55]
misconstrued that we don't work well
together. And while we have very
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different priorities at times and very
different outlooks on how those
[3:05:02]
priorities should be should be handled.
Um I think that we were able to come to
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a healthy decision tonight on what does
it mean to invest in a witchaw not just
[3:05:13]
for today but a witchaw for tomorrow and
for years down the road. Um yes the
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budget is increasing but our our needs
are evolving just as our families are
[3:05:22]
evolving. And so I'm really grateful
that we, you know, when we first got
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this budget, the libraries had zero and
and we said, "City manager, can you do a
[3:05:31]
little bit more?" And then he got us to
a little bit more. And then we decided
[3:05:34]
to do our part to do a little bit more.
But I think that's not a testament to
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us. I want to be very clear. It's a
testament to Jamie Nicks and her staff
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and the incredible work that they do
every single day. Um, and the and the
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resources that are being provided all
across this community. Maya Angelou has
[3:05:54]
a community garden in the middle of the
food desert. Seniors are there all the
[3:05:59]
time working on their resumes, getting
job applications. The dignity and
[3:06:04]
humanity that you see in every single
family, [music]
[3:06:07]
including our unhoused neighbors, that
is to be commended. And we have to quit
[3:06:11]
asking our staff to do more with less,
as if it's a normal expectation.
[3:06:16]
It's not okay anymore. And we've got to
turn a corner. So, thank you for being
[3:06:20]
the example of what it means to step up
to the plate. And tonight, I think we
[3:06:24]
are showing that when you step up to the
plate to do more, we're going to meet
[3:06:26]
you in the middle. Um, finally, I do
want to say thank you to the city
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manager. Um, it's no secret I feel
passionate about the things I'm
[3:06:33]
passionate about, and I will fight for
the things that I'm willing to fight
[3:06:36]
for. But the city manager has worked
with me to really help meet me in the
[3:06:41]
middle, especially on paid family leave.
We didn't get it this year paid for in
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the budget, but we found an alternative
and I think that's important as well.
[3:06:48]
So, to the staff who are listening, um
I'm not just going to say you're valued.
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I'm going to make a commitment that
we're going to continue to work to
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figure out how to build a stronger
culture in city hall, how to make sure
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you are valued, and how to make sure we
take care of the whole family. Because
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it's not just you that shows up here
every single day. Your family deals with
[3:07:06]
the brunt of the work that you carry
back home every day as well. And this
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$50,000 is just a pilot to see where we
can go from here. With that, thank you
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colleagues for your support in making
this first year of my budget hearing a
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meaningful and pleasurable
[clears throat] one. I hope it happens
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again.
>> Council member Johnston.
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» Thank you, Mayor. I will echo that this
is not the perfect budget. Uh if I was
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doing it myself, this is not what I've
come up with. Um I don't like taking
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money from our reserve fund, $3 million.
I don't think that's prudent. I think it
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was planned that there was probably a
presumption that the economy would be in
[3:07:44]
a recession by now and it has not been.
I think that's the reason it was planned
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for now. Um, next year I hope we do not
take that $3 million. Um, unless there
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is a severe recession and we need the
money. Um, I think one thing we need to
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address and it's the elephant in the
room is public safety.
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Public safety is very important. There's
no doubt. Everybody tells us that we
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need to fund public safety. I think the
question is how much. If you look at our
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palm card, which is outside the room
there, public safety this year is 64%
[3:08:24]
of our budget. Next year, it rises to
67% of our budget. So, at what point do
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we say
public safety? Yes, but we also have to
[3:08:37]
invest in libraries and parks and and
amenities of life that can help reduce
[3:08:43]
violence and and ed educate people and
and really help fund uh some of the
[3:08:49]
disadvantaged neighborhoods. I think
that's important. Um what I hear from my
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district is
they they want to see more police
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officers in the district on the street.
um and maybe not so many uh softwares
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and programs and things. So, that's what
I hear from my district. Um it may be
[3:09:10]
different tomorrow when I wake up and
see emails. Who knows? But uh I'm just
[3:09:15]
glad we did get a budget approved and
it's not 11:59. So, thank you,
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» Vice Mayor Glass.
>> Thank you. But I will call the question
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in a second and there's just one thing I
want to highlight and I really want to
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thank the work of council member Hohis
on that and that's the home the
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homeowner property tax relief program. I
think that's one of the best things to
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come from this budget. We hear often
about property tax relief in this
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community and this is a very targeted
way to provide property tax relief to
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those that need it the most. And so I'm
thankful for his leadership on this and
[3:09:46]
his passion for this because if he
didn't continue to advocate it for it,
[3:09:49]
it wouldn't be in this today. But I
think the 100,000 is a really good first
[3:09:53]
step toward that. And hopefully we
continue to offer more targeted property
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tax relief because that's I guarantee
you the number one thing we hear from
[3:10:01]
residents up here. And so with that,
I'll call the question.
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We have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion? I see none. Madame
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clerk, please open the role.
[3:10:15]
Motion passes. 61.
Mayor with a motion to approve the use
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of local funds derived from property
within the corporate limits for the
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Witchaw State University Board of
Trustees and our local agreement between
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the city and the county.
>> Council member Tuttle.
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» Thank you. Due to a conflict of
interest, I will be abstaining from this
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vote.
>> I will add my comments. Um I'm a board
[3:10:40]
member of WSU Tech, but I get no
financial gain. It is also on my
[3:10:45]
statement of interest. Uh so therefore I
will be taking a vote on this. Madame
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cler or we have a motion.
>> Second.
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» Second. Any further discussion? I see
none. Madame clerk please open the role.
[3:11:08]
Motion passes 60 with one abstension.
Madame clerk please call the next item.
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Council member appointments and
comments.
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C.
>> Uh, we'll start with appointments. Any
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appointments, council members?
>> I have one and so does council member
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Ballard. We'll start with council member
Ballard.
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» Thank you, mayor. I would like to
appoint Michaela Ramirez to the library
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board and uh Jeppi Hammer to the
sustainability board.
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» Council member Johnston.
>> Thank you. I'd like to appoint Josh
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Shepus to District 5 Advisory Board and
to the Park Board of Commissioners.
[3:11:53]
» And I would like to appoint John
Frederick on behalf of Commissioner Jim
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Howell to the Witchaw Airport Advisory
Board.
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I see no further uh appointments. I move
to approve all those appointments.
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» Second.
>> Motion second. Discussion. See none.
[3:12:11]
Madame Clerk, please open the role.
[3:12:18]
Motion passes 70.
Madame clerk, actually we can start with
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council member comments. Any council
member comments?
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» Mayor, I just want to say
congratulations to our vice mayor. He's
[3:12:31]
an engaged man now, y'all. So,
congratulations on your engagement. I'm
[3:12:36]
really excited for you. Uh people know
that council member or vice mayor
[3:12:40]
Glascock and I kind of grew up together.
Um, and I'm so excited for this next
[3:12:44]
phase of your life. Maybe I get to be a
flower boy.
[3:12:48]
» I think uh, council Tuttles already
called it. It's been a very [laughter]
[3:12:50]
busy week. Right on. I promise that.
>> I see no further comments from the
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council members. With that, I will move
to adjourn this meeting at 9:35 p.m.
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» Motion second. Discussion. See none.
Madam clerk, please open the role.
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» All those in favor say I. I motion
passes