[0:02] All right, we'll call to the Clarkson Town Council meeting, the 2nd day of September, 2026, we'll start with the opening ceremony by Council Member Goodey.

[0:11] our

[0:15] dear Father heaven hondercraft and Father for the opportunity, we have to

[0:18] together this evening, or grateful for, all the blessings of Christ upon us,

[0:23] our especially individual Father for the volcano. We have to witness wonderful

[0:25] community in the day that, that will continue to bless us and have us to be unified

[0:30] in all that we do. The blessings will be able to be objective in our thinking

[0:35] that as we discuss the matters that will help this town be a better place to live

[0:39] it will be able to make good decisions.

[0:41] If there's things followed through so many of us, I'm just going to ask, and then, will you follow me to the pledge of allegiance?

[0:49] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

[0:58] One nation under God in the midst of liberty and justice for all.

[1:08] Thank you. Next is approved the minutes. Town Council meeting held August 5th, 2026.

[1:17] Everybody's looked over those. Nobody has anything in the motion in a second.

[1:23] I motion we approve the minutes from August 2nd. Roger Stateful.

[1:27] I'll second the motion.

[1:28] We have a motion in the second, all in favor?

[1:32] Hi.

[1:34] Okay.

[1:38] Excellent.

[1:40] The rent discussion, the old town hall, I know we discussed it once.

[1:43] I just want to make sure everybody's on the same page of renting it out for just what

[1:50] it costs the town to keep it going for the bills and stuff or anybody wants to do anything

[1:55] else.

[2:04] So we'll probably have to look, look at all the inquiries and have applications filled

[2:11] out or something to kind of look at.

[2:14] What was it told when we ran the month?

[2:18] 175 with it just sitting there, of course, it's going to be more when they start using

[2:23] It was not hand though, but they didn't kill it.

[2:27] It really would really leave the burden of 170 bucks, but it was perfect.

[2:35] Well, they would be taking care of it, but I don't think it's going to be okay to do this.

[2:39] We need to specify that they are also charged to keep them clean.

[2:43] The way that it's not as we don't have our cleaning crew do any of that.

[2:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed.

[2:57] Okay,

[3:00] okay, do we have anything written up for stuff like that?

[3:10] Probably be some maybe same, like the same thing maybe only not quite the exact words maybe change a little bit, but

[3:19] Anyway, we can find something.

[3:26] Okay.

[3:28] Council member Noble.

[3:32] Um, parks and rack where still ain't plenty to hear back on the roof.

[3:39] Um, an update on that.

[3:40] I did send it to President Guthrie.

[3:43] He sent it to facilities.

[3:45] He hasn't heard back, but he put it in as them paying for all of it.

[3:49] See what they say.

[3:50] Okay, so that's where we're at.

[3:52] We're waiting for them.

[3:55] Yeah, he never knows.

[3:56] He he put it in as them them just replacing it. So we'll see what happens.

[4:16] Okay. Councilmember Goodie

[4:20] Boston for just one second. Well, you can't so I haven't I haven't talked to Danny yet, but we do in the town signs

[4:27] Probably good. I didn't get that down for winter

[4:33] Okay, I'll give you first if we do that for when your set's in

[4:36] And then, from the planning commission, my best cost and file, my planning commission

[4:42] come.

[4:42] The state has required certain things that they can use, and if you're not a macro

[4:46] nempheler like me, that's a Cessary-1200 in it.

[4:49] Mother-in-law suites, a building in your backyard for your kids, it's just another dwelling

[4:54] unit on your property.

[4:55] And the state has sent out some laws that we have to comply with, and we have really nothing

[5:02] set up in our ordinances to say in how big, how little anyway.

[5:05] He knows a lot more than I do about it. He's got a lot more over so Austin will turn time over to you.

[5:11] All right. So yeah, like Councilman Goody said, I was asked to come and just kind of go over.

[5:18] And I think it would be good to have a conversation and explore different avenues in the direction that we want to go.

[5:24] So the state defines an accessory dwelling unit in two different ways.

[5:30] as an external accessory dwelling unit and an internal and essentially the way

[5:38] they're broken down is the external or the detached is going to be something

[5:43] that is obviously more like an accessory building. It's detached from the

[5:48] primary dwelling unit. An internal accessory dwelling unit is something like

[5:52] a basement or maybe an addition that's off to the side. So I was kind of chased

[5:59] on the rabbit here, and I went down the wrong rabbit hole thinking that both of them were

[6:04] required by state. But as it sits right now, the internal, as of July of last year, the internal

[6:13] accessory dwelling units are mandated by the state regardless of municipality, regardless of size.

[6:19] So we're required to allow somebody to remodel their basement or to do an addition that

[6:26] allows a separate family to live in that remodel. Or if somebody wanted to build a

[6:36] home with an accessory dwelling unit that's still attached to the primary

[6:40] structure but off to the side. The detached accessory dwelling units are only

[6:48] required on municipalities over 5,000, a population of 5,000. And I can get

[6:53] get into that a little bit more but if basically I think what the conversation we

[6:58] should have is if we want to pursue an ordinance with that or if we just want

[7:05] to leave it alone and say that we don't want to allow those at all and then I

[7:10] think we need to have a conversation about the internal ADUs and get some feedback

[7:17] on what the council wants for requirements for those.

[7:23] Cause the state comes out and requires things,

[7:25] but they leave a lot of leeway

[7:27] for what kind of requirements,

[7:29] as far as like sizing requirements,

[7:31] setbacks, parking requirements on the street.

[7:36] Lot sizes, zoning requirements, things like that.

[7:40] And so there is quite a big, quite a bit of wiggle room.

[7:45] But yeah, so I want to I want it some feedback and and some thoughts from

[7:50] very obviously I think you're saying that we don't we don't want a person with

[7:54] an external aid to use it unless don't let's say

[7:57] probably if the general public thinks that's something they would like I would

[8:03] go against what I want if that was what the majority of people on it but I don't

[8:08] think it is yeah my opinion on the external was not to have them because then

[8:12] you're going to do a separate water meter. Do we have room for two houses on every

[8:18] lot in town and what the water supply we have, you know what I mean?

[8:21] And that would be another thing that we could regulate very heavily. The health department

[8:25] would actually be regulating that, right? I mean, you're not going to get two septic tanks

[8:30] on one lot, or be able to up size the existing system to accommodate the additional, yeah,

[8:36] it'd be a whole can of worms doing that. And then you're going to say, well, how big

[8:39] can they have? Do we need more parking? What's it by? We have nothing in an ordinance

[8:45] saying anything about these because they're not support for. If it's something we want

[8:49] to pursue, then we're going to have to dig into planning commission and that's ultimately

[8:55] my fear. That's probably a really strong word, but I don't want to have nothing and then

[9:01] have people come in and then we have to approve it based on. So can we just put in their

[9:07] now since we're by dozen that we don't allow them they are not allowed

[9:11] Yeah, you're right. We need to stay or to stay lost to cover that

[9:15] No

[9:17] Sorry, are you referring to external ADU? Yes, yeah, so no, we could we could just say something in our code as simple as we do not allow detached

[9:25] External ADU's okay done

[9:27] Well, that's the way I would

[9:30] So I think I like that I can read my way of thinking is the ones that are built onto the

[9:36] home remodel basement add on from other last week already there. Well that we need to

[9:41] maintain existing setbacks. Right. We would still maintain existing setbacks. I might have

[9:46] big. They build it one. Yeah. And there's a whole yeah. There's a whole laundry list of

[9:49] requirements that would require right. Do they do they on the internals they they have

[9:54] to have a a kitchen on a bathroom. Yeah. So the criteria laid out by the state

[9:59] code is they have to have kitchen facilities which consists of a sink and a

[10:03] cooking appliance and then they have an extra they have to have an external

[10:07] entrance a separate external entrance yes and then they have to have a

[10:14] bathroom a separate bathroom and then living facility which is basically a

[10:19] bedroom okay okay so at least one bedroom but there's there's things like

[10:24] addressing that would need to be addressed for emergency services and so

[10:29] there's a few different ways of doing it and we could explore that a little

[10:35] bit more later but I kind of wanted to get have a good discussion first so okay

[10:43] and I'm fine just be right with the bare minimum of all those requirements there's no

[10:54] I mean, if somebody really wants to do it, it would be mainly to take care of somebody

[11:00] in a lot of instances, right?

[11:02] So, I think I would go through the unashable lab.

[11:06] No, stuff like that.

[11:08] Or to help a family member get on their feet, with one thing.

[11:11] The one that goes attached to your home, we can't say it's not allowed.

[11:16] Right.

[11:16] All we can say is certain regulation thought that you've got to have the same setbacks.

[11:24] Right now we have nothing in there saying that if you do a mother-in-law suite, the setbacks

[11:28] have to be the same as a normal dwelling unit.

[11:31] It'd be nice to, I mean, to specify it.

[11:34] A man with a brain would figure that out, but it probably wouldn't have heard if it was

[11:38] pretty cut and dried on how we spell it out so we don't run into it.

[11:45] The more that I dug into it, the state code is actually written pretty wisely.

[11:50] There's a provision in there that says that we can prohibit internal accessory dwelling

[11:57] units like attached if they are on like a 1970s single-wide mobile home and there's some

[12:05] provisions there that allow us as a municipality to regulate them if the law size is too small.

[12:11] And if they encroach on setbacks, or fire code, or if we want to set a minimum, so that they don't do a hundred square foot.

[12:20] Another house?

[12:21] Yeah, well just a hundred square foot additions.

[12:23] A closet ride.

[12:24] We want to say it needs to be at least 300 square feet, so that they can accommodate the kids in the bathroom, the bedroom.

[12:32] And none of that's specified on the state.

[12:33] None of that's specified.

[12:34] That's one of the, like I said, the state code allows for a lot of leeway.

[12:38] if we wanted to set a minimum of 300 and a maximum of 1,200 or but if we don't know, no

[12:44] maximum in our wants to make a 3,000 square foot one and call it a lost weight, right

[12:51] right.

[12:53] Okay.

[12:54] Okay.

[12:55] Right.

[12:56] Okay.

[12:57] Good point.

[12:58] Okay.

[12:59] I mean, I don't think you would have heard to have like a minimum anyways, I mean, I'm not

[13:02] too, too forward about a minimum.

[13:03] I'd say maximum, just so somebody doesn't like, you know, come in and like triple their size

[13:08] of their house.

[13:09] So you just say, oh, it's a 80 year, right?

[13:12] Yeah.

[13:12] Right.

[13:13] And I mean, I think, you know, 1200 is plenty for,

[13:17] but they've really been able to help a family member out,

[13:20] you know, that should be an ample room to help, but, you know.

[13:25] Okay.

[13:25] Because if you get too big, it's, you know,

[13:28] you're getting them to a whole other house.

[13:30] Yeah.

[13:30] It would help us, because this is a good distraction that we can go

[13:32] and we'll not worry about the other.

[13:35] It sounds good.

[13:38] Yeah, it sounds good, yeah, all right. Do you have any other questions? No, no. Okay. I was the big thing. So thanks for all your work on it. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. Hey, thank you. Thanks, Austin.

[13:50] Okay. That's all I have.

[13:51] Okay. Council member Godfrey absent the cemeteries. Going pretty good. We did have a leak in the three inch main water line.

[14:03] Todd's been working on that water department. We're still trying to get with Brian to go over the springs and look at it.

[14:15] If we do that, do all you guys want to go.

[14:17] I'd like to.

[14:19] Yeah.

[14:19] I'd go.

[14:20] Okay.

[14:21] So if we get.

[14:22] Cleaning miter.

[14:23] Okay.

[14:24] Everything.

[14:26] We need to especially go look at birch.

[14:29] Where that guy is.

[14:30] Brian says he's got a 2-inch pipe just constant pump of water out.

[14:35] On a solar pump.

[14:38] Yeah.

[14:38] We do.

[14:39] We have the contract.

[14:40] There's a difference between the three towns in him.

[14:43] No, it's not meter we got to get it and we got to make sure there's a check valve on it. It doesn't even have a check valve

[14:49] I want to you know we got it so we're sending a letter. Yeah, that should be shit off till that. So

[14:55] Yeah, that's gonna be fixed, but I don't know how long it's how long's it. I don't even know when they did that

[15:00] Three years ago. Three or four years ago, I think.

[15:06] So we got to get that fixed.

[15:12] I think that's all I got for that council member Peterson. Yeah, nothing for the roads. I've got the warrant list here to read though. Total at minutes. Let's see. This is for I need to say this is for August and this is September 2nd. I'm going to read the warrant list administrative.

[15:34] is $9,875.75 total for roads and fire and rescue is $359.88 roads is $591.64 total

[15:53] parks and wreck is $1126.19 total general fund $11,953.46 total water

[16:05] $1,584.63.

[16:11] Perpetual Care Department, $16,16.28

[16:17] for the grand total of $14,160.69.

[16:24] Okay. Need a motion then, second.

[16:28] No, I motion way approved.

[16:29] Warm list for August, 2026.

[16:32] I second that motion.

[16:33] Okay, we'll covo Mayor Thompson. I

[16:37] Cancel member Peterson. I

[16:39] Cancel member Goodie. Hi. Cancel member Noble. Hi. Okay. Thank you. Oh

[16:47] Want one more thing on the cemetery?

[16:49] Danny and Todd will be coming in probably maybe the end of this week, maybe not till next week to ask you

[16:57] Um, to show them the budget numbers for the cemetery so just so you know, oh,

[17:09] the, uh,

[17:11] Stop sign or the speed limit rate our signs quit working for a little bit and

[17:15] We were able to get them reset and going again, but if anybody notices them

[17:21] Let us know and we'll there's a little

[17:23] Hidden button in on the control panel. We had to find that where it was

[17:27] They were still working on it by yesterday

[17:34] No one knows the company doesn't know on the communication

[17:56] Is it weird does cell service has been lately? I imagine it was something to do with that

[18:01] tech power

[18:07] I I have not looked at it.

[18:20] That's all I have

[18:22] All right, public comment.

[18:37] Staying in there.

[18:38] Oh, sorry, Sherry Cindergarde.

[18:41] We were in another meeting when we were talking about finishing

[18:46] a pre-existing bail building on our lot.

[18:48] So we could make a place for my mother to finish.

[18:52] And we were told to come into this council.

[18:54] See if you guys were OK with that.

[18:56] So we can send in people working

[18:58] at the building permit to be able to finish that up for her.

[19:06] You probably have to go through planning and zoning first.

[19:09] We really went to that mean they told us we had to come here and have you guys vote on it.

[19:31] An external ADU?

[19:34] It's a building.

[19:35] It's already built.

[19:36] It's already there.

[19:36] It's already got water.

[19:37] It's already got electricity.

[19:39] And that's true.

[19:39] But I mean, it's just we just want to finish it off so my mother can stay.

[19:42] And that's kind of when we went over with the loss of them tonight.

[19:45] But so

[19:50] I mean that's that's in discussion. I don't know what we're going to do yet.

[19:55] Honestly, but as far as the state, it was the external aid to use that were

[20:01] not allowed. Not allowed, right? Yeah. State requires municipalities to allow additions to homes

[20:09] for mother or sweets, but it has to be attached to that. It has to be in a path to the main.

[20:15] Why are municipalities to let you have one if it's a detatch from the name bill until we're over 5,000 then they do

[20:23] We don't have anything

[20:29] Decided on that yeah, not Austin

[20:35] That's what the state regs are and not somewhat vote on this down counts of what we want

[20:41] So as it's basically as of right now. It's not allowed

[20:45] According to our code right now, it's not a lot because you don't have one dwelling unit per law and then and then if it does

[20:52] If it does become a lot of them and they're starting to talk it'll be like there's some impact fees sewer up to help

[20:59] Bear River Health

[21:02] Separate all vast

[21:03] You can't get on the screen with the sewer system because it's external

[21:08] There's a bunch of if you go with it, there's a bunch of

[21:11] Turns out we really expensive for you guys is what we're trying to say if it does and the way our country right now

[21:19] That the code we have right now does not lie right multiple family doing. Yeah, we can have one dwelling unit per

[21:24] So we'd have to change the ordinance saying you could have more to comply with that and as it is right now

[21:32] That's not how it is. Yeah, that's a right now external is not allowed, but if it was attached to your house, it would be allowed

[21:38] So that's right now, that's where it stands.

[21:42] I'm going to state landing on Tim Sunderger.

[21:44] So we're now on the record.

[21:47] If that's the case, what would it take for us

[21:54] then to cut

[22:02] that piece of property off

[22:03] from our property for its own address?

[22:08] Yeah, you as far as from what it looks like, you would have to be like a regular minor subdivision, right?

[22:16] You'd have to have a setback.

[22:16] You know, you'd have to meet all the setbacks.

[22:19] Yeah.

[22:20] So I'm going to setback.

[22:22] Yeah.

[22:22] So I'm going to setback.

[22:23] I'm going to setback.

[22:24] I'm going to setback.

[22:27] So I'm going to setback.

[22:28] I'm going to setback.

[22:28] Yeah.

[22:28] So I'm wondering about the friendship, because I have seen many pieces of property that don't

[22:35] have any friendage that's in Clarkson, that's an interior piece of property. How do we address

[22:43] something like that? Where there's already pre-existing lots that don't have any friendage.

[22:49] I don't know what kind of deals have been made in the past, variances and stuff like that.

[22:55] If there is anything right now that you have to have a hundred foot of frontage, for a hundred foot of

[23:05] I don't know what I mean.

[23:06] Don't let you can give us an example.

[23:09] But I'd have to go back and look at the parcel, the parcel locks.

[23:16] There may be some old.

[23:17] The old ones may have not.

[23:18] It may have not.

[23:20] I don't know what it used to say.

[23:21] The old ones that are grandfathered.

[23:22] The old ones that are grandfathered.

[23:23] The old ones that are grandfathered.

[23:24] I know back, I mean, like back in the old days.

[23:27] They had family just kind of built wherever on their own.

[23:31] It wasn't even divided part of the time before all the laws were in, so.

[23:39] Do you know if there's a permit already issued for this like back when it was originally built?

[23:43] When it was an original build, the building was part of the original build.

[23:49] The building at the same time the house was, but it was a accessory building.

[23:53] It was more of an accessory building.

[23:55] And the individual that wanted to build it, he wanted to build a school.

[24:02] He was a geologist and was going to build that out as a school.

[24:05] So I mean, he'd build out all the same accessories for a dwelling unit, walls, bedroomed-off.

[24:12] I mean, there were closets and everything, but there were rooms.

[24:16] It was framed off as anybody coming in, you would look at it and say, this is an apartment with

[24:23] the kitchen, the bathroom, utility room as far as I know as long as that's been in.

[24:31] He must have sold it as something or else it's been in since he's before.

[24:34] Yeah, the house was six years old I want to say now.

[24:40] Yeah.

[24:41] But they had started, they had started at probably five years before that.

[24:46] They had started working on a part of five years before that as well.

[24:49] So

[24:54] we're just really just kind of wondering what's our steps forward.

[25:01] Is it a building that is really going to just be a utility shed at this point?

[25:08] Right.

[25:09] I mean right now externals are not allowed in the code.

[25:13] So you'd have to do something else with it.

[25:15] That's our city code, not a state code.

[25:19] The state code says it's pretty much up to.

[25:22] The state code says it's you can't do it unless

[25:28] Yeah, yeah, and then the state mandates you have to allow. Yeah

[25:33] External yes

[25:34] And right now the state code mandates you have to allow an addition so an attached one

[25:42] Yeah, there's nothing the way I read it was

[25:46] It's up to the up to the city

[25:52] if they allow external ones.

[25:53] And that's the way it is in our code right now.

[25:56] But our code doesn't allow it right now,

[25:58] and I don't know if that's something you can sell

[26:02] everybody or not, I'm gonna say the problem is not.

[26:05] The problem is if, and I know why they haven't allowed

[26:09] in the past is because of water,

[26:11] because we could not do two houses on every lot in town

[26:15] and supply water to everyone, it would be impossible.

[26:18] Right.

[26:18] Yeah, so I know that's why it's in there.

[26:22] That's one of the main reasons why I would think it's in there.

[26:24] And then another is the changing the lot sizes.

[26:29] I mean, then you've got two houses on half acre,

[26:33] and then that's another thing too.

[26:37] So I know why it's in here.

[26:39] We have room to do it.

[26:42] Getting the frontage is where...

[26:46] How much do you have up there?

[26:49] We're sitting on just under four.

[26:51] I have two lots.

[26:53] I have one that's a two acre log that the house

[26:56] and the building sits on the other building sits on

[26:59] and another two and a half, two and three quarter on another.

[27:04] How many feet of furniture, though?

[27:06] That's the problem I have is how would I get the...

[27:10] So is that attached to your sewer then now?

[27:14] Yes, it's already connected up to the and that that's another thing you know to look at to because they would make you separate it

[27:20] Yeah, it's on which which which I mean if you're too large you got to do it

[27:23] You'd have to treat just two separate things anyway, and that's what would have

[27:31] Because it's because it's probably you'd have to separate

[27:33] You'd have to separate it right now the way it sits

[27:36] Actually where it sits it's on the same it's on the same piece of property, but to to do that were

[27:41] where the where our drive comes down it's about 16 feet off 16 oh of the fence

[27:49] line oh about 16 feet off of that for our driveway and it would be a shared

[27:54] driveway so

[27:58] that's I I would as of right now I would look into seeing if you

[28:02] over the front is just split that's probably your best option right now okay

[28:11] thank you very

[28:14] good thank you thank you guys for coming all right

[28:24] anything

[28:24] else

[28:27] next meeting October 7th 2026 need a motion the second all motion make a

[28:35] motion that we want that we can close the meeting okay I'll second the motion

[28:41] motion second all in favor.

[28:43] All right.

[28:45] Thank you everybody.

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