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[0:06]
Good evening.
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Um, the the tellers have informed me
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that we have a quorum. So, could I ask
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everyone to please take your seats and
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we'll get going.
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Welcome to our 2026 annual town meeting.
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I'm your moderator U Dan Evans
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uh and I'll be conducting the business
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this evening.
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The tellers have informed me that a
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quorum is present. So the meeting will
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please come to order. The return of the
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warrant by the town constable shows that
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the warrant was properly served. So the
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meeting is properly constituted. As you
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know, we begin our meetings with the
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pledge of allegiance. May I ask all of
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you to stand and please joining me in
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the pledge of allegiance? I pledge
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allegiance
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>> to the flag of the United States of
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America, to the republic for which it
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stands, one nation under God,
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indivisible, with liberty and justice
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for all.
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>> Thank you.
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Um I'll start uh as we do typically with
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introductions. Um up here at the table
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on your right uh we have our uh select
[1:19]
board Ellen Maher chair Chris Plex vice
[1:22]
chair David Farerraig and Paul Grady. We
[1:25]
have our interim town manager Michelle
[1:27]
Liry. We have a town council Roger
[1:29]
Smuridge. Um behind me uh on the table
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on the to the front on your left um we
[1:36]
have Mike Barkley, Tom Callahan, Mark
[1:38]
Cameron, Mike Flity, Diane Kennedy, Mark
[1:41]
Maggie, Courtney Murphy, Vince Thornton.
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To my right, uh we have the town clerk
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Lisa Le and assistant town clerk Beth
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Anderson. On the small table behind the
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advisory committee, we have our tellers
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for this evening, Phil Faulner, Debbie
[1:55]
Leget, Michael Putsinger, and Susan
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Putinger.
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As you know, the guests, if you're not a
[2:00]
registered voter, the guests were issued
[2:02]
a name tag. And this is the non- voting
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section. Um, some town employees who are
[2:06]
not voters may be sitting um with their
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colleagues uh in the uh seats here, but
[2:12]
other than that, that the non- voters
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will be sitting up in the non- voting
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section.
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Um we have find it
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you should have two different uh
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booklets or um stapled material with
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you. One is the um bound warrant article
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which arrived in the mail and then there
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were copies available there that
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provides notice of the actions that
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we're taking at the meeting tonight.
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Then the other packet is the one that's
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stapled in the upper leftand corner.
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That's the town manager's proposed
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motions. Those are the motions that
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those are the that's the actual wording
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that will be acting on each on each of
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the articles this evening. You'll see
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that um for brevity we don't read them.
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I will say at the beginning of each
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article, may I have a motion in the form
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distributed to the meeting. So what I'm
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referring to is these these are the the
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motions that were distributed to the
[3:04]
meeting. When somebody says moved, what
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they're moving is the language that
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appears under that article in here for
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the motion. when I say second and
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somebody says second then they're
[3:15]
seconding that and that's the language
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of the motion that we will start
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discussing can they can be amended um
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following procedures but those is that's
[3:22]
the language of the actual action so the
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warrant simply provides notice the
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proposed motions provides the actual um
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language that we'll be adopting on
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um we'll vote vote by voice unless I'm
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uncertain uh with a voice or at least
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seven voters indicate that they desire
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um that they uh out my count by
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standing, which is fine. Um, if
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necessary, then we'll vote by hand
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ballot. We'll um you'll hold these
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red pieces of paper up in the air to
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vote by hand ballot. So, keep a hold of
[3:53]
those. The tellers will count um if we
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have to do that.
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If you would like to speak on a motion,
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um please move to a microphone, one of
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the microphones here to be recognized.
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Once I recognize you, um please begin by
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giving your name and street address.
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Please keep the debate concise and to
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the point. All debate must be courteous
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and respectful. Uh brevity is both
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courteous and effective.
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Sarcasm is never appropriate. Generally,
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you should not it shall be not necessary
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to refer to specific individuals
[4:26]
involved in the debate. If you must
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refer to another speaker's remarks,
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please do so with the utmost respect.
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You can disagree with ideas. Be careful
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about disagreeing with people. Speakers
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are limited to five minutes except when
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you've arranged it with me in advance.
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If at any point you have a question
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about the procedure or the conduct of
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the meeting, including a concern that I
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may have done something incorrectly, you
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should seek to be recognized. Let me
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know you have a question of a point of
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order and then state your question or
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concern. Um, many of you are familiar
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with the motion for a previous question
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or calling the question. It brings an
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immediate vote on the pending motion.
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So, it stops debate. It requires
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twothirds vote to be adopted to stop
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debate. Um, it can only be I will only
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entertain it after both sides have had a
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fair opportunity to be heard. And if
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I've already recognized voters or their
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voters been standing, I may allow them
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to speak before proceeding with the um
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motion to call the question.
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On timing, we've got a long evening
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tonight. I think the plan is to just
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power through it. It may get very late.
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We got a lot of stuff to do, but we'll
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get it all done tonight. Any questions
[5:32]
before we jump into the business?
[5:36]
Great. Thank you. As many of you know,
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this is my last meeting as your
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moderator, so let's make it a great one.
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» Thank you. Thanks. Um, article one,
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recognizing citizens and employees for
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particular service to the town. I'll
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recognize the chair of the the select
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board, Ellen Maher.
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» Good evening, everyone. Welcome to our
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annual town meeting. In recognition of
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services as an employee of the town upon
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retirement, Patricia Hamlin, Lorie Topa,
[6:18]
Moren Bry, Kathleen Sullivan Sanchez,
[6:22]
Kim Kirker,
[6:24]
Marshia Campbell, Susan A. Hearn,
[6:27]
Theodore Holland, Sandra Zapo, Karen
[6:31]
McGinness, Eileen Weisinger, and Russell
[6:34]
Sears. Let's have a round of applause
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for our retirees.
[6:44]
We also take a moment to honor those who
[6:46]
have passed who have served the town of
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Cohasset.
[6:50]
Pamela Fehee, public health uh director
[6:52]
of public health.
[6:55]
Paula Gel, Cohassid Police. Randall
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Rosano, Cohasset Fire. Edward McDermott,
[7:03]
Cohassid Public Schools. Dennis Walsh,
[7:06]
Cohassid Public Schools. Mary Snow, DBW,
[7:10]
and Jane F. Pescatory, Cohassid Public
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Schools. Thank you.
[7:21]
For the record, may I have a motion that
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the recognition of the named citizens
[7:24]
and employees be accepted and placed in
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the permanent records of the town?
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>> Thank you. May I have a second?
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>> All those in favor, please signify by
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saying I.
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>> I.
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>> All those opposed, please signify by
[7:34]
saying nay. The motion was adopted
[7:36]
unanimously.
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Uh, article two, annual town report. May
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I have a motion in the form distributed
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to the meeting? Thank you. May I have a
[7:51]
second?
[7:52]
>> Thank you. The motion has been made and
[7:54]
seconded. Is there any discussion?
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We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
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article 2 does require majority vote for
[8:01]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[8:02]
signify by saying I.
[8:05]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[8:06]
saying nay.
[8:08]
>> The motion is adopted unanimously.
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Uh, article three, reports of
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committees. For the pebb committee, I'll
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recognize Mr. Timothy Davis.
[8:33]
» Thank you. Timothy Davis, 257 Atlantic
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Avenue. The post-employment benefits
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committee is charged with reviewing and
[8:42]
evaluating the town's OPEB and pension
[8:45]
liabilities, which provide pensions and
[8:48]
medical insurance to our retired town
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employees.
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For 15 years, this committee has been
[8:55]
working to pro provide these excellent
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retirement benefits, follow state
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mandates, and with a and with a
[9:02]
manageable impact on the town budget
[9:05]
while at the same time contributing to
[9:07]
the AAA bond rating for our town debt.
[9:11]
The top tier bind rating that we now
[9:13]
enjoy saves the town at least a quarter
[9:15]
of 1% on our debt service or about
[9:18]
$900,000 in interest payments on a
[9:21]
30-year $23 million debt.
[9:24]
Since the expectation is
[9:27]
that when fully funded, the OPED trust
[9:30]
fund assets should never be used. The
[9:32]
assets are invested for long-term
[9:35]
growth. And so far, Mr. Market has been
[9:38]
favorable to us.
[9:40]
When fully funded, the catchup funding
[9:44]
that are required by the state on the
[9:46]
pension funds and what we're doing with
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OPEB,
[9:49]
which will no longer be required,
[9:52]
that money plus the annual income
[9:55]
generated from the investment of these
[9:57]
assets, could be as much as 8 to12
[10:00]
million per year,
[10:02]
which can then be used to fund other
[10:04]
town budget items the town residents may
[10:07]
approve. This should coincide
[10:11]
with the large investment contemplated
[10:13]
for our schools.
[10:16]
I would like to thank my colleagues on
[10:17]
the post-employment benefits committee,
[10:20]
Michelle Liry, the select board, and the
[10:23]
community for their continued support of
[10:25]
the PB committee work. In particular, I
[10:28]
would like to thank Linda Cole for her
[10:30]
extraordinary work on all of this. Thank
[10:33]
you.
[10:34]
>> Thank you.
[10:41]
Are there any other committees that
[10:42]
would like to be heard?
[10:45]
Very well. No action needs to be taken.
[10:47]
So we can proceed to article 4, which is
[10:50]
the operating budget. May I have a
[10:52]
motion in the form distributed to the
[10:54]
meeting?
[10:55]
Thank you. May I have a second?
[10:57]
>> Thank you. The motion has been made and
[10:59]
seconded. Requires a majority vote for
[11:01]
adoption. I'll recognize our interim
[11:03]
town manager, Michelle Liry.
[11:24]
Thank you and good evening. Um, so we'll
[11:27]
be presenting the FY27 budget. Um, we
[11:30]
can fast forwards through some of these
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slides.
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So when we start building the budget, we
[11:41]
talk about financial strategies. Um, we
[11:44]
use dedicated funds for appropriate
[11:46]
expenses. We maintain structural
[11:48]
balances. We limit reliance on one-time
[11:51]
revenues. We align debt service with
[11:54]
funding sources. And we collaborate with
[11:56]
the school department.
[12:01]
The FY27 operating budgetical article
[12:04]
number four, the total appropriation is
[12:07]
67,642,444.
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Of that the general fund is $59,90
[12:16]
sewer enterprise fund $2,682,866
[12:21]
and the water enterprise fund if
[12:23]
5,959,488.
[12:26]
This includes salaries, expenses and
[12:29]
debt service.
[12:34]
What the budget funds? The budget funds
[12:36]
salaries of elected officials and town
[12:38]
staff, departmental expenses, debt
[12:41]
service, both principal and interest,
[12:43]
and other mandatory costs as noted in
[12:45]
the five-year forecast. And everyone can
[12:48]
look at appendix A for the FY27
[12:51]
operating requests.
[12:55]
So, the funding strategy again is a
[12:57]
combination of reoccurring and
[12:58]
non-reoccurring sources. The general
[13:00]
fund through taxation, state aid, and
[13:03]
local receipts. the enterprise fund
[13:05]
contributions and the stabilization and
[13:07]
other revenue other reserves
[13:10]
enterprise and indirect transfers. So
[13:13]
the sewer enterprise revenue is $2.3
[13:16]
million and that's raised by user fees.
[13:20]
The sewer retained earnings of $300,000
[13:24]
and the sewer betterment debt
[13:25]
stabilization of $150,000.
[13:29]
Those are both um transfers into the
[13:32]
sewer enterprise fund for operating
[13:34]
expenses. This includes $141,130
[13:39]
in direct costs reimbured to the general
[13:41]
fund. And as far as the water enterprise
[13:44]
revenue, $6.1 million. And this also
[13:46]
includes $156,948
[13:49]
in indirect costs to reimbursement to
[13:52]
the general fund.
[13:55]
So general fund sources raised through
[13:58]
taxation, state aid and local receipts,
[14:01]
we have 57,697
[14:05]
57,697,54.
[14:08]
The capital stabilization fund um to pay
[14:11]
deaf service is $472,28.
[14:17]
The community preservation fund 257,750
[14:21]
is also a debt service payment. We have
[14:24]
free cash of $30,000 for general
[14:26]
operations. The Title Five Betterment
[14:29]
Fund, $75 transferred in for debt
[14:31]
service, excess overlay reserves. We're
[14:35]
using $150,000 that has previously been
[14:38]
allocated by the board of assessors and
[14:41]
the recreation field revolving fund of
[14:43]
$20,000.
[14:44]
We have a total indirect transfer from
[14:46]
enterprise funds of $298,78
[14:50]
for total sources to equal $59,90.
[14:54]
General fund key takeaways. The total
[14:57]
budget of $59,90
[15:00]
with the total townside being $32,969
[15:05]
$969,85.
[15:07]
This includes all mandatory and shared
[15:09]
expenses. and we have a total school
[15:12]
budget of 26,31,05.
[15:21]
The total mandatory expenses here can be
[15:23]
broken out to be 15,753,523.
[15:30]
When we talk about the budget as a
[15:32]
whole,
[15:33]
I'd like to highlight that the total
[15:35]
town increase is 2.9%
[15:38]
and this includes shared and mandatory
[15:40]
costs while the total schools increase
[15:42]
is 4.83%.
[15:45]
Thank you.
[15:50]
The select board has recommended
[15:52]
approval by a vote of 4 to zero. The
[15:55]
advisory committee has recommended
[15:56]
approval by a vote of 8 to zero with one
[15:58]
abstension.
[16:00]
School committee recommended approval by
[16:02]
a vote of 5 to zero. And the community
[16:04]
preservation committee has approved the
[16:06]
borrowing under article six of the 2023
[16:09]
special town meeting. Is there
[16:11]
discussion?
[16:14]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[16:16]
article 4 does require majority vote for
[16:19]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[16:21]
signify by saying I.
[16:23]
>> I. All those opposed, please signify by
[16:25]
saying nay. The motion is adopted
[16:28]
unanimously.
[16:35]
Article five, unpaid bills from previous
[16:37]
years. May I have a motion in the form
[16:39]
distributed to the meeting? Thank you.
[16:41]
May I have a second? Motion has been
[16:43]
made and seconded. It does require four
[16:45]
fifths vote for adoption. I'll recognize
[16:48]
our interim town manager, Michelle Liri.
[16:50]
So, article five, unpaid bills from
[16:52]
previous years. Um, we're asking for
[16:55]
$5,16.96
[16:59]
um to expended by the town manager to
[17:01]
pay unpaid bills from the previous
[17:03]
fiscal year.
[17:06]
>> The select board has recommended
[17:08]
approval by a vote of four to zero. The
[17:10]
advisory committee has recommended
[17:11]
approval by a vote of 9 to zero. Is
[17:13]
there discussion?
[17:16]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Again, it
[17:18]
does require four-fifths vote for
[17:19]
adoption. All those in favor of the
[17:22]
motion under article 5, please signify
[17:23]
by saying I. I.
[17:25]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[17:27]
saying nay. The motion is adopted
[17:30]
unanimously.
[17:34]
Article six, supplemental appropriations
[17:36]
for fiscal 2026.
[17:39]
May I have a motion in the form
[17:40]
distributed to the meeting? Thank you.
[17:42]
May I have a second? Motion has been
[17:44]
made and seconded. requires a majority
[17:46]
vote for adoption. Again, Michelle Liry.
[17:49]
>> So, we are asking that $152,840,000
[17:54]
be taken from sewer retained earnings um
[17:56]
to fund the general fund reserve
[17:58]
transfer. Um there was a transfer given
[18:01]
um earlier this year for $152,840
[18:05]
um for the membrane purchase. We're
[18:07]
asking to refund the general fund for
[18:10]
that amount. Um the next item is the
[18:12]
transfer peg access funds cohasset 143
[18:15]
TV. Um this is an annual article and
[18:18]
we're asking for $114,42.51.
[18:23]
Thank you. Uh the select board has
[18:26]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[18:28]
0. Advisory committee recommended
[18:29]
approval by a vote of 9 to zero. And the
[18:31]
sewer commission recommended approval by
[18:33]
a vote of two to zero. Is there
[18:35]
discussion?
[18:38]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. does
[18:39]
require majority vote for adoption. All
[18:41]
those in favor of the motion under
[18:43]
article 6, please signify by saying I.
[18:45]
>> I.
[18:46]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[18:48]
saying nay.
[18:50]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[18:56]
Article 7, stabilization and other
[18:58]
special funds. May I have a motion in
[19:01]
the form distributed to the meeting?
[19:02]
Thank you. May I have a second? Thank
[19:04]
you. The motion has been made and
[19:06]
seconded. Does require majority vote for
[19:08]
adoption. again, Michelle Liry. Okay.
[19:11]
Um, we are looking to transfer $615,000
[19:14]
from raise and appropriate and free cash
[19:17]
to the OPED trust fund. $2,199,712
[19:23]
transfer um through raise and
[19:25]
appropriate and free cash to the capital
[19:27]
stabilization fund and a transfer of
[19:30]
$150,000 from the sewer betterment
[19:32]
stabilization fund to the sewer
[19:34]
enterprise fund and $900,000 through
[19:37]
raise and appropriate and free cash to
[19:39]
the roads and sidewalk stabilization
[19:41]
fund.
[19:43]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[19:45]
recommended approval by a vote of three
[19:47]
to zero. Advisory Committee has
[19:49]
recommended approval by a vote of nine
[19:51]
to zero and the sewer commission has
[19:53]
recommended an approval by a vote of two
[19:55]
to zero. Is there discussion?
[19:59]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. The
[20:00]
motion on article 7 does require
[20:02]
majority vote for adoption. All those in
[20:04]
favor, please signify by saying I. I.
[20:07]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[20:09]
saying nay.
[20:11]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[20:17]
Article 8, capital improvements budget.
[20:20]
May I have a motion in the form
[20:21]
distributed to the meeting? Thank you.
[20:23]
May I have a second? Thank you. The
[20:25]
motion has been made and seconded. It
[20:28]
does require twothirds vote for adoption
[20:30]
for the capital budget committee. I'll
[20:32]
recognize Susan Franklin.
[20:41]
» Good evening.
[20:43]
I am Susan Franklin and I'm chair of the
[20:45]
capital budget committee. I'm presenting
[20:47]
article 8 capital improvements tonight.
[20:50]
After internal town discussion, our
[20:52]
committee was presented 2.7 million in
[20:55]
capital projects and equipment for
[20:56]
review.
[20:58]
Presented here for your approval tonight
[21:00]
is 1.2 million in fundings recommended
[21:03]
by the capital budget committee. Needs
[21:05]
for schools represent 55% of the total
[21:09]
recommended items.
[21:11]
44% in total are part of multi-year
[21:14]
rollout programs like vehicle
[21:16]
replacement and furniture and technology
[21:19]
replacement programs utilized in the
[21:21]
schools.
[21:23]
Annual payments recommended for school
[21:24]
buses are inclusive of use and
[21:27]
maintenance under multi-year leasing
[21:28]
programs.
[21:31]
Uh there was a change in the motion uh
[21:34]
noting that two of the items uh they're
[21:36]
listed at a million2 that is the fire
[21:38]
apparatus and the uh sweeper is listed
[21:42]
at 336,000
[21:45]
but we're uh asking just for the uh
[21:47]
amount to fund the initial payments uh
[21:50]
for those uh items which total
[21:53]
approximately $400,000.
[21:58]
Uh lastly, project 23 designed for Elm
[22:01]
Street. Those funds will be turned back
[22:03]
to the capital stabilization fund in the
[22:06]
event that article 23 does not pass.
[22:09]
Thank you.
[22:11]
Uh the select board has
[22:13]
recommended approval by a vote of three
[22:15]
to zero. For the advisory committee,
[22:17]
I'll recognize Mike Barkley.
[22:32]
Good evening. Mike Barklay, 100 Elm
[22:34]
Street. On behalf of the advisory
[22:35]
committee, um, first I'd like to commend
[22:38]
the capital committee for the excellent
[22:39]
job. They are tasked with a difficult
[22:42]
job of allocating a a limited amount of
[22:45]
funds across a really wide need
[22:49]
range of needs for the town. And the
[22:51]
budget you see before you is really a
[22:53]
microcosm of how capital needs should be
[22:56]
planned short, medium, and long term. Uh
[23:00]
this budget addresses needs across the
[23:03]
town. Um and you know, truthfully, we
[23:05]
remain in catch-up mode on our capital
[23:08]
budget because for about a decade, the
[23:10]
budget did not grow yet.
[23:13]
equipment aged, assets got older, they
[23:16]
needed to be replaced, and unfortunately
[23:19]
the uh the budget was static. So, uh we
[23:22]
really are in catch-up mode. The one
[23:24]
thing I would say that uh what you saw
[23:26]
in article seven with the uh special
[23:29]
purpose stabilization fund for uh street
[23:31]
you know roads and sidewalks those have
[23:33]
really proven to be a very nice
[23:36]
supplement to the budget that have
[23:37]
allowed us to extend um you know the
[23:40]
capital budget to other areas that are
[23:42]
in need. The advisory committee has
[23:45]
reviewed all 23 of these. We agree with
[23:47]
the recommendation of the capital
[23:49]
committee by a unanimous vote and we
[23:52]
hope you agree. Thank you.
[23:55]
>> Thank you. I'll recognize Mr. Leland
[23:57]
Jenkins.
[23:59]
>> Leland Jenkins, Jerusalem Road. All the
[24:02]
years I've lived here, we have had three
[24:04]
pumpers,
[24:06]
which we only have enough manpower to
[24:08]
run one pumper. The pumper that's being
[24:11]
taken offline is been sitting in the in
[24:14]
the uh uh fire department garage, I
[24:18]
believe, for seven years without being
[24:19]
used.
[24:21]
Number one, when we bought number one
[24:24]
seven years ago, why do we have
[24:28]
three pumpers? Absolutely. I can't
[24:31]
understand why. And uh I think when
[24:35]
number two comes up, we should be
[24:36]
replacing number two, not number three.
[24:38]
should not be in that
[24:39]
garage. But could somebody answer my
[24:42]
question?
[24:44]
>> Mr. Someone. Yes.
[24:52]
» Good evening. John Dockray, fire chief,
[24:54]
26 Northark Road. Yes, we do have three
[24:57]
fire engines. Under the national
[24:59]
standard, a typical response for any
[25:01]
kind of fire in a single family home is
[25:03]
two engines. When one of those two
[25:05]
engines is out of service, we put the
[25:07]
third engine in service. We maintain two
[25:09]
operating engines at both at all times.
[25:12]
Also, when one of our two primary
[25:14]
engines is out of service due to
[25:15]
mechanical issues like we had last week,
[25:17]
engine one blew a coolant hose was out
[25:19]
of service for two days. Engine 3 went
[25:22]
into service during the blizzard of
[25:24]
February. Engine 3 was staffed and
[25:27]
responded to numerous incidents during
[25:29]
the blizzard. Matter of fact, the
[25:31]
department responded about 75 runs in a
[25:33]
24-h hour period. Also, when one of our
[25:36]
primary engines responds mutual aid to
[25:38]
another community for a building fire,
[25:41]
we will call back offduty members who
[25:43]
will come back and staff engine three or
[25:45]
the reserve engine and put the town back
[25:47]
into proper coverage to respond if
[25:49]
there's an incident in the town. So, we
[25:52]
need the three engines. One, the first
[25:54]
two are primary and the third is is a
[25:56]
reserve backup that does get used a lot.
[26:01]
Thank you,
[26:02]
>> Mr. Jenkins.
[26:04]
>> How many hours does that have on in
[26:05]
seven years?
[26:08]
>> Sitting there for seven years. How many
[26:09]
hours?
[26:10]
>> Let's be careful about engaging in a
[26:12]
collically. Go ahead.
[26:14]
>> I'm sorry. I don't have the total hours
[26:16]
off the top of my head. Um, but it's
[26:20]
probably close to 50 or 60,000 hours.
[26:25]
>> Thank The truck has been the truck has
[26:26]
been in service for 25 years under the
[26:29]
national standards. Uh the truck service
[26:31]
life the first 10 to 15 years serves as
[26:33]
a primary piece for the community and
[26:35]
then the next 10 years serves as a
[26:38]
reserve piece. Thank you. Is there
[26:41]
further discussion?
[26:45]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion
[26:47]
under article 8 does require twothirds
[26:50]
vote for adoption. All those in favor of
[26:52]
the motion under article 8, please
[26:54]
signify by saying I. I.
[26:57]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[26:58]
saying nay.
[27:01]
>> Motion is adopted unanimously.
[27:06]
» Article 9, allocation of funds for
[27:08]
one-time cost. May I have a motion in
[27:10]
the form distributed to the meeting?
[27:12]
Thank you. May I have a second? Uh, does
[27:15]
require majority vote for adoption. I'll
[27:17]
recognize our interim town manager,
[27:19]
Michelle Liry.
[27:29]
So, article 9, allocation of funds for
[27:31]
onetime costs. What we're looking for is
[27:32]
to transfer $75,000 from cemetery sale
[27:36]
of graves to cemetery maintenance. We're
[27:39]
also looking to fund $10,000 from the
[27:43]
waterways repairs to the harbor master
[27:45]
account. Um, we're funding FY232 24 and
[27:49]
25 excise tax that's been owed to the
[27:52]
waterways fund in the amount of $24,1625
[27:56]
from free cash to the waterways fund.
[27:58]
We're also funding early retire teacher
[28:00]
early retirements in the amount of
[28:02]
$84,156
[28:04]
from free cash to the school budget. And
[28:07]
we're looking to fund new electrical
[28:09]
code inspections for all town buildings
[28:11]
in the amount of $63,65
[28:14]
from free cash to the facilities budget.
[28:18]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[28:20]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[28:22]
zero. The advisory committee has
[28:23]
recommended approval by a vote of 9 to
[28:25]
zero. Is there discussion?
[28:30]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. A motion
[28:31]
under article 9 requires majority vote
[28:34]
for adoption. All those in favor, please
[28:35]
signify by saying I. I.
[28:38]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[28:39]
saying nay.
[28:41]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[28:48]
Article 10, Departmental revolving funds
[28:50]
annual spending limits. May I have a
[28:52]
motion in the form distributed to the
[28:54]
meeting? Thank you. May I have a second?
[28:56]
Thank you. The motion has been made and
[28:58]
seconded. Requires a majority vote for
[29:00]
adoption. I'll recognize Michelle Liry.
[29:04]
Um so article 10 um we are looking to
[29:06]
set the annual spending limits for the
[29:08]
departmental revolving funds. Um we're
[29:12]
looking to keep these limits um
[29:13]
remaining in effect from year to year
[29:15]
unless amended by um town meeting vote.
[29:18]
This is a housekeeping article.
[29:21]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[29:23]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[29:25]
zero. The advisory committee likewise re
[29:27]
recommends approval by a vote of 9 to
[29:29]
zero. Is there discussion?
[29:33]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[29:35]
article 10 does require majority vote
[29:36]
for adoption. All those in favor, please
[29:38]
signify by saying I. I.
[29:40]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[29:42]
saying nay.
[29:44]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[29:50]
Article 11, Massachusetts General Laws,
[29:52]
Chapter 91 liability. May I have a
[29:54]
motion in the form distributed to the
[29:55]
meeting? Thank you. May I have a second?
[29:58]
Thank you. The motion has been made and
[29:59]
seconded. Requires majority vote for
[30:01]
adoption. Recognize Michelle Liry. Okay.
[30:04]
>> Article 11 um MassGL chapter 91
[30:07]
liability. This is an annual article
[30:09]
again and is a prerequisite for state
[30:11]
funds to perform work in the Cohassid
[30:13]
Harbor and along the shoreline.
[30:16]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[30:18]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[30:19]
zero. The advisory committee has
[30:21]
recommended approval by a vote of 8 to
[30:23]
zero. Is there discussion?
[30:27]
We'll proceed to a voice vote under
[30:29]
article 11 requires majority vote for
[30:31]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[30:33]
signify by saying I. I.
[30:35]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[30:37]
saying nay.
[30:38]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[30:44]
Article 12, additional real estate
[30:46]
exemptions annual renewal. May I have a
[30:47]
motion in the form distributed to the
[30:49]
meeting? Thank you. May I have a second?
[30:51]
Thank you. The motion has been made and
[30:53]
seconded. requires majority vote for
[30:54]
adoption. For the board of assessors,
[30:57]
I'll recognize Patrick Kennedy.
[31:06]
» Good evening. I'm Patrick Kennedy, 59
[31:09]
Jerusalem Road Drive, chair of the board
[31:10]
of assessors. The next two articles are
[31:13]
essentially housekeeping articles as
[31:15]
well. Um, Massernal Laws Chapter 59
[31:19]
section 5 has many provisions that
[31:21]
classify
[31:23]
uses of property and classifications of
[31:26]
types of property as being exempt or
[31:29]
possibly uh eligible for deferment of
[31:32]
real estate taxes. The provisions of
[31:35]
article 11, I'm sorry, 12 are exemptions
[31:40]
for uh armed service members,
[31:44]
certain low-income elderly residents and
[31:47]
also legally blind persons. Applicants
[31:50]
have to meet the qualifications and in
[31:53]
order for those exemptions to be
[31:55]
eligible to them, the town under a local
[31:58]
option initiative has to adopt those
[32:00]
provisions. So 12 is to adopt certain
[32:03]
exemptions
[32:04]
and 13 is to adopt local option force
[32:09]
deferments of elderly residents,
[32:12]
longtime residents who meet and certain
[32:14]
income test. Um and this is also to
[32:17]
raise the income threshold for those
[32:20]
eligible for that deferment.
[32:22]
Thank you. The select board recommends
[32:24]
approval of the motion under article 12
[32:26]
by a vote of 3 to zero. Advisory
[32:28]
Committee recommends approval by a vote
[32:30]
of 8 to zero. Board of assessors
[32:32]
recommends approval by a vote of two to
[32:34]
zero. Is there discussion?
[32:37]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[32:38]
article 12 requires majority vote for
[32:41]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[32:43]
signify by saying I.
[32:45]
>> I. All those opposed, please signify by
[32:47]
saying nay.
[32:49]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[32:53]
Article 13, Massachusetts General Laws,
[32:55]
Chapter 59, Section 5, Clause 41A. May I
[32:59]
have a motion in the form distributed to
[33:00]
the meeting? Thank you. May I have a
[33:02]
second?
[33:03]
>> Thank you. The motion has been made and
[33:04]
seconded. Does require majority vote for
[33:07]
adoption again for the board of
[33:08]
successors, Patrick Kennedy. I
[33:11]
introduced article 13 a minute ago. It's
[33:13]
deferments for elderly longtime
[33:15]
residents who meet an income low income
[33:18]
threshold. This raises the income
[33:20]
threshold to the cir circuit breaker
[33:23]
limit set by the state.
[33:26]
>> Thank you. Uh the select board
[33:28]
recommends approval by a vote of 3 to
[33:30]
zero. Advisory committee recommends
[33:31]
approval by a vote of 8 to zero. And the
[33:33]
board of assessors recommends approval
[33:35]
by a vote of 3 to zero. Is there any
[33:37]
discussion?
[33:39]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion
[33:41]
under article 13 does require majority
[33:43]
vote for adoption. All those in favor,
[33:45]
please signify by saying I.
[33:46]
>> I. All those opposed, please signify by
[33:49]
saying nay. The motion is adopted
[33:51]
unanimously.
[33:56]
Article 14, recision of authorized but
[33:59]
unissued debt. May I have a motion in
[34:01]
the form distributed to the meeting?
[34:03]
Thank you. May I have a second? Motion
[34:05]
has been made and seconded. Requires a
[34:07]
majority vote for adoption. I'll
[34:09]
recognize our interim town manager,
[34:11]
Michelle Liry.
[34:13]
Article 14 um to see if the town will
[34:16]
vote to resend the balance of $3.3
[34:19]
million in authorized but unissued debt
[34:21]
previously authorized under at a article
[34:24]
9 on May 2021 annual town meeting. This
[34:27]
was for a gak system for the water
[34:29]
treatment plant.
[34:33]
>> Thank you. Uh the select board
[34:34]
recommends approval by a vote of three
[34:36]
to zero. Advisory committee recommends
[34:39]
approval by a vote of 9 to zero. The
[34:41]
capital budget committee recommends our
[34:42]
approval by a vote of 5 to zero.
[34:45]
Is there any discussion?
[34:48]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Requires
[34:50]
majority vote for adoption. All those in
[34:51]
favor of the motion under article 14,
[34:53]
please signify by saying I.
[34:56]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[34:57]
saying nay.
[34:59]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[35:05]
Article 15 cohasset water rate
[35:07]
structure. May I have a motion in the
[35:09]
form distributed to the meeting? Thank
[35:11]
you. May I have a second? Thank you. The
[35:13]
motion has been made and seconded.
[35:15]
Requires a majority vote for adoption
[35:17]
for the water commission. I'll recognize
[35:19]
Chris Pratt. Thank you. Uh good evening.
[35:22]
My name is Chris Pratt. I'm the chair of
[35:23]
the KASA Water Commission. Uh this is
[35:26]
article 15, the proposed water rate
[35:29]
structure for the KASA Water Department.
[35:31]
So tonight, I'll briefly walk through
[35:33]
what's being proposed, why it's
[35:35]
necessary, and what it means for us, the
[35:38]
residents.
[35:41]
So we're proposing a 5-year rate plan
[35:43]
with approximately a 4% annual increase.
[35:46]
This applies to base fees, uses, usage
[35:49]
tiers, fire service fees, and other
[35:51]
rates. The goal is to create a
[35:54]
predictable and stable rate path rather
[35:56]
than larger sudden increases.
[36:00]
So why? As you know, the water
[36:02]
department operates as an enterprise
[36:04]
fund.
[36:05]
That means that we're fully funded by
[36:07]
our rate revenue and not by taxes.
[36:10]
The revenue supports operations,
[36:12]
maintenance, regulatory requirements,
[36:16]
and infrastructure investments. This is
[36:18]
a cost of service model, meaning our
[36:21]
rates are set based on actual costs to
[36:23]
run the system, pay debt service, and
[36:25]
keep the department financially solid.
[36:29]
We're also responding to increasing
[36:31]
regulatory requirements and ongoing
[36:33]
water quality challenges which continue
[36:35]
to drive the cost of operating the
[36:37]
department.
[36:40]
A little bit more of the why is that our
[36:42]
operating expenses are increasing.
[36:46]
And importantly, these sustained
[36:48]
increases we're seeing year-over-year,
[36:50]
not one-time spikes. Over the past five
[36:53]
years, sludge removal and disposal has
[36:56]
increased nearly 9%.
[36:58]
Chemical treatment and lab testing is up
[37:00]
nine and a half%. Contracted services
[37:04]
are up nearly 10%. Utilities are up
[37:07]
close to 9%. And these categories alone
[37:11]
represent approximately 72% of our
[37:14]
operating expenses.
[37:16]
Overall, the water department's
[37:17]
operating expenses are increasing by
[37:19]
about 4.4% annually.
[37:22]
When they increase at this level, it has
[37:23]
a direct and material impact on the
[37:26]
department. So, the proposed 4%
[37:28]
adjustment is simply keeping pace with
[37:30]
our expenses and not exceeding them.
[37:36]
With the ongoing cost pressures, rate
[37:38]
considerations, and future planning, the
[37:40]
water commission remains strongly
[37:42]
focused on financial management and
[37:44]
fiscal responsibility.
[37:46]
We're actively managing expenses through
[37:48]
disciplined budgeting and procurement
[37:50]
practices. We're maintaining strong
[37:52]
retained earnings to help stabilize
[37:54]
rates and support future investments.
[37:57]
And we're building a financial
[37:58]
foundation to responsibly plan for
[38:00]
what's ahead for the department, for the
[38:02]
water system, and for the town of
[38:03]
Quasset.
[38:08]
So again, what it means for us, you can
[38:11]
find the full rate table on page 16 of
[38:13]
the warrant. So for a typical household
[38:16]
which has a 1-in meter which is the
[38:18]
majority of households and for the
[38:20]
average annual usage
[38:23]
the usage portion will increase by about
[38:25]
$9 per quarter or $36 per year. The
[38:29]
typical residential base fee which is a
[38:32]
critical component to help cover our
[38:34]
fixed costs will increase approximately
[38:36]
$8 per quarter or $32 a year. So that
[38:40]
resulted in an overall impact of
[38:42]
approximately $68 per year for the
[38:44]
typical user. Of course, this is simply
[38:47]
an example for a typical user and the
[38:49]
usage costs will vary based on your
[38:52]
household and your usage behaviors.
[38:56]
So what's ahead and why we're doing
[38:59]
this? The town of Cohasset and the water
[39:01]
department are entering a very exciting
[39:03]
and transformative period of time. We've
[39:06]
begun a generational investment in the
[39:08]
Cohass in Cohassets water system.
[39:12]
Currently, our Lily Pond water treatment
[39:14]
plant is approaching 50 years old. It's
[39:17]
und sized. It underperforms and it has
[39:20]
effectively reached the end of its
[39:21]
useful life. Our residuals management
[39:25]
area, also known as sludge lagoons, is
[39:27]
undersized, very costly, and it's a
[39:30]
contributor to our treatment challenges.
[39:32]
Due to this, we've begun the early
[39:34]
stages of the largest public
[39:36]
infrastructure investment in coast
[39:38]
history.
[39:39]
First, the renovation and expans
[39:42]
expansion of our residuals area. We're
[39:45]
now nearing completion of the design
[39:47]
phase of the new residuals management
[39:49]
area and look forward to begin
[39:50]
construction process on the new lagoons
[39:53]
in the near future.
[39:55]
Second, we're in the beginning stages of
[39:57]
the piloting process, the design and
[39:59]
construction of a new modern treatment
[40:01]
plant. A treatment plant which will
[40:03]
support the town's water needs for
[40:05]
decades and generations to come.
[40:09]
This rate structure presented tonight
[40:11]
allows us to pursue those objectives
[40:12]
responsibly. We respectfully ask for
[40:15]
your support for article 15. Thank you.
[40:18]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[40:20]
recommended approval by a vote of three
[40:22]
to zero. Advisory Committee reckons
[40:25]
mends approval by a vote of nine to
[40:26]
zero. The water commission recommends
[40:28]
approval by a vote of three to zero. Is
[40:31]
there discussion?
[40:34]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Requires
[40:36]
majority vote for adoption.
[40:37]
>> I have one question for Chris.
[40:38]
>> I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[40:39]
>> No problem. Uh Jennifer Chu, 25 Virginia
[40:42]
Lane. Hi Chris. Um so my only question
[40:45]
for you is what kind of improvement can
[40:48]
we see in our water quality with the new
[40:50]
treatment plant and um how will that
[40:53]
impact you know will it or will it
[40:55]
impact if we see you know if we have PAS
[40:57]
in the water or other
[41:01]
kind of a things that we don't want in
[41:04]
it.
[41:04]
>> So ultimately the the treatment plant is
[41:07]
being designed and constructed to solve
[41:09]
those water quality problems that exist
[41:11]
today. uh when the plant was built
[41:13]
almost 50 years ago, PAS was not even a
[41:16]
term. People didn't know about it. It
[41:18]
wasn't studied. We didn't know the
[41:19]
effects of it. Um amongst other things
[41:22]
that are uh being regulated today. So 50
[41:25]
years later after the current treatment
[41:27]
plant was built, regulation has changed,
[41:29]
water quality standards have changed. Um
[41:32]
and the fact is we have an undersized
[41:33]
plant currently and we have a very
[41:35]
difficult raw water source to treat. We
[41:37]
have high organics and it's a shallow
[41:39]
pond. In fact, it is a pond. um unlike
[41:42]
larger reservoirs and other bodies of
[41:43]
water. So ultimately the long-term
[41:46]
solution, the best thing for the town of
[41:47]
Kassacet is to invest in a new treatment
[41:49]
plant.
[41:50]
>> Awesome. Thank you so much. I appreciate
[41:52]
it.
[41:53]
>> Thank you. Is there further discussion?
[41:57]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Article
[41:59]
15 does require majority vote for
[42:01]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[42:03]
signify by saying I. I.
[42:06]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[42:07]
saying nay.
[42:09]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[42:14]
Article 16, wastewater treatment plan
[42:17]
system upgrades design. May I have a
[42:19]
motion in the form distributed to the
[42:21]
meeting? Thank you. May I have a second?
[42:23]
Motion has been made and seconded.
[42:25]
Requires twothirds vote for adoption for
[42:28]
the sewer commission. I'll recognize
[42:30]
Bill McGawan.
[42:40]
I think I recognize Bill Mcgau. Maybe
[42:42]
not. Does anyone from the sewer
[42:43]
commission want to speak or do you want
[42:44]
to handle it, Michelle?
[42:50]
» Paul Kierce, 390 on Coach Road. I am the
[42:52]
vice chairman of the sewer commission.
[42:55]
Uh this article um that we currently
[42:57]
have in front of us, article 16, uh is
[42:59]
to start the upgrade of the sewer
[43:01]
treatment plant. Similar to what the
[43:03]
water department is going through with
[43:04]
their plant, uh we're doing the same at
[43:06]
ours. All of the uh funding uh for this
[43:10]
does uh occur through our current
[43:12]
rateayers and uh we've been having a
[43:16]
couple of uh funds set aside for
[43:18]
membranes and and various upgrades. So
[43:19]
on this particular article, we're going
[43:22]
to begin to replace some of the uh
[43:25]
pumping systems and air systems that are
[43:27]
in the sewer treatment plant.
[43:30]
Thank you.
[43:32]
The select board has recommended
[43:34]
approval by a vote of 3 to zero. The
[43:36]
advisory committee has recommended
[43:38]
approval by a vote of 8 to zero. And the
[43:40]
sewer commission has recommended
[43:41]
approval by a vote of two to zero. Is
[43:44]
there discussion?
[43:46]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[43:48]
article 16 does require twothirds vote
[43:50]
for adoption. All those in favor, please
[43:53]
signify by saying I. I.
[43:55]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[43:57]
saying nay.
[43:59]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[44:05]
Article 17, creation of a revolving fund
[44:07]
for cemetery fees. May I have a motion
[44:10]
in the form distributed to the meeting?
[44:12]
Thank you. May I have a second? Thank
[44:14]
you. The motion has been made and
[44:16]
seconded. requires majority vote for
[44:18]
adoption. For the cemetery committee, I
[44:21]
recognize Glenn Pratt.
[44:27]
472 King Street. Uh the
[44:31]
cemeteries uh are almost
[44:33]
self-supporting. We earlier tonight
[44:35]
transferred money from our sale of
[44:37]
graves account for maintenance, which is
[44:39]
lawn mowing. And we have other fees that
[44:42]
we uh charge folks when they uh have a
[44:44]
burial which currently are going into
[44:46]
the general fund and the DPW cemetery
[44:49]
department doesn't have any benefit of
[44:51]
that money for additional services they
[44:53]
need to purchase. So this this money
[44:56]
that we collect for uh burial fees will
[44:59]
be uh a revolving fund like the other 10
[45:02]
revolving funds we talked about earlier.
[45:04]
It'll be used exclusively for cemetery
[45:06]
maintenance.
[45:08]
>> Thank you.
[45:10]
The select board recommends approval by
[45:12]
a vote of 3 to zero. The advisory
[45:14]
committee recommends approval by a vote
[45:16]
of 9 to zero. Is there discussion?
[45:21]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion
[45:22]
under article 17 does require majority
[45:24]
vote for adoption. All those in favor,
[45:26]
please signify by saying I.
[45:29]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[45:30]
saying nay.
[45:32]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[45:38]
Article 18, Community Preservation
[45:40]
Committee. May I have a motion in the
[45:41]
form distributed to the meeting? Thank
[45:43]
you. May I have a second? Thank you. The
[45:45]
motion has been made and seconded.
[45:47]
Requires majority vote for adoption for
[45:50]
the Community Preservation Committee.
[45:51]
I'll recognize Mr. Tom Reirden.
[46:01]
Good evening. I'm Tom Reirden. uh 131
[46:04]
Nichols Road and chair of the Cohass
[46:08]
Community Preservation Committee. The
[46:10]
committee is unanimously recommending to
[46:13]
the town meeting two projects. In
[46:16]
addition, there is a notification of a
[46:17]
payment from CPC funds for the debt
[46:20]
service on a bond which was approved at
[46:23]
a special town meeting in 2023.
[46:26]
That bond issue was designed to improve
[46:29]
recreation facilities in various parts
[46:31]
of town. The first project that we are
[46:34]
recommending is for $11,225
[46:37]
from the open space account to the
[46:40]
conservation commission and department
[46:43]
to conduct a baseline documentation
[46:45]
report and matching mapping for
[46:48]
conservation restrictions at Salerno
[46:50]
Woodlands which is on King Street Bonds
[46:53]
Wildlife Sanctuary by Wright Park and
[46:56]
Ingram Park on Norman Todd Road.
[47:00]
The second project is for $25,000 from
[47:03]
the undesated account. That will go to
[47:06]
the Paul Pratt Library for an ADA
[47:09]
compliant door. The door will be the
[47:13]
major access point for the new outdoor
[47:16]
pavilion, which is under construction
[47:18]
right now and is due to be finished in
[47:21]
early summer. The total cost of that
[47:24]
door is $50,000.
[47:26]
25,000 is being paid by capital budget.
[47:30]
Thank you very much. Any questions?
[47:33]
>> Thank you.
[47:34]
>> Question.
[47:34]
>> Thank you. Let me just quot before you
[47:36]
go. Um, select board recommends approval
[47:38]
by a vote of three to zero. Advisory
[47:40]
committee recommends approval by a vote
[47:42]
of 9 to zero. CPC recommends approval by
[47:45]
a vote of five to zero for project two
[47:47]
and by a vote of seven to zero for
[47:49]
project three. Uh, I could see one
[47:53]
discussion at least. Uh, Mr. Jenkins.
[47:55]
Lee Jenkins, Jerusalem Road. Quick uh
[47:59]
comment. The bond payment, the first
[48:01]
article, the first thing, number one,
[48:03]
bond payment uh pursuant to article six
[48:06]
of 2023
[48:09]
of of $257,750.
[48:13]
How many years do we have to pay that?
[48:19]
Is
[48:20]
>> there someone that can respond? I think
[48:21]
the question was, Mr. Jenkins, how many
[48:22]
years do we have to pay that?
[48:25]
That's correct.
[48:26]
>> Yeah.
[48:27]
>> Does anyone know?
[48:31]
» I think the question is, is it a onetime
[48:32]
payment of that amount or is it that
[48:34]
amount multiple years? Is that the
[48:36]
question?
[48:39]
>> Mr. Ren, would you mind standing up and
[48:40]
addressing?
[48:43]
>> Sorry. Um, I believe it's a 10-year
[48:46]
bond, so it's paid each year for 10
[48:48]
years out of CPC funds, unrestricted
[48:51]
funds.
[48:54]
Thank you. Thank you.
[48:56]
Is there further discussion?
[49:00]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[49:02]
article 18 requires majority vote for
[49:04]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[49:07]
signify by saying I. I.
[49:09]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[49:11]
saying nay.
[49:13]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[49:18]
Article 19, Southshore Regional
[49:21]
Vocational School Committee, amend
[49:23]
regional agreement. May I have a motion
[49:25]
in the form distributed to the meeting?
[49:28]
I have a motion. Thank you. May I have a
[49:30]
second? Thank you. The motion has been
[49:32]
made and seconded. Does require majority
[49:34]
vote for adoption. I'll recognize again
[49:36]
our interim town manager, Michelle
[49:38]
Liring.
[49:44]
The amendment to the social regional
[49:46]
vocational technical high school
[49:47]
agreement um adds the town of Pembroke
[49:50]
to the agreement um therefore offsetting
[49:53]
the expenses um for many communities.
[49:58]
>> Thank you. The select board recommends
[50:00]
approval by a vote of three to zero. The
[50:02]
advisory committee recommends approval
[50:04]
by a vote of 9 to zero. Is there any
[50:06]
discussion?
[50:09]
We'll proceed to a voice vote. Motion on
[50:11]
article 19 requires majority vote for
[50:13]
adoption. All those in favor, please
[50:15]
signify by saying I.
[50:18]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[50:19]
saying nay.
[50:21]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[50:26]
Article 20, amendment to cohasset bylaw
[50:29]
chapter 244, article 2, sections 244-2
[50:34]
and 244-4.
[50:37]
I have a motion in the form distributed
[50:38]
to the meeting. Thank you. You may have
[50:40]
a second. Thank you. The motion has been
[50:42]
made and seconded. Requires a majority
[50:44]
vote for adoption. I'll recognize our
[50:47]
town clerk, Lisa Leger.
[50:56]
Good evening. The amendments to our
[51:01]
2442 parking permit required works to
[51:04]
solidify the residency requirement for
[51:07]
the issuance of the all facility permits
[51:09]
as it relates to parking in the town of
[51:11]
Cohasset. The second section 2444
[51:15]
clarifies the posted parking areas where
[51:17]
a permit is required to park in the town
[51:19]
of Cohasset and also establishes the
[51:23]
criteria for the issuance of
[51:24]
non-resident government island parking
[51:27]
permits in the government island parking
[51:30]
area.
[51:32]
>> Thank you. Uh the select board has
[51:34]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[51:36]
zero and the advisory committee has
[51:38]
recommended approval by a vote of 9 to
[51:40]
zero. Is there discussion?
[51:44]
We'll proceed to a voice vote.
[51:52]
Sorry, no discussion is we'll proceed to
[51:53]
a voice vote. Does require majority vote
[51:56]
for adoption. All those in favor of the
[51:58]
motion under article 20, please signify
[52:00]
by saying I.
[52:01]
>> I.
[52:02]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[52:03]
saying nay.
[52:05]
The motion is adopted unanimously.
[52:10]
We'll proceed to article 21, Cohasset
[52:12]
Public Safety Building. May I have a
[52:14]
motion in the form distributed to the
[52:16]
meeting? Thank you. May I have a second?
[52:18]
Thank you. It does require twothirds
[52:20]
vote for adoption. I'll recognize for
[52:22]
the public safety facilities committee,
[52:24]
Mr. Glenn Pratt.
[52:26]
>> Uh good evening. My name is Glenn Pratt,
[52:28]
chair of the Public Safety Facilities
[52:30]
Committee. Tonight, we're going to
[52:32]
propose to you uh a new police station.
[52:37]
After operating from the Independence
[52:39]
Building at 24 South Main Street since
[52:42]
1913
[52:44]
in 1962,
[52:46]
the police department moved into the new
[52:49]
state-of-the-art public safety building
[52:52]
on Elm Street. And the fire department
[52:55]
moved from their home of 75 years at the
[52:58]
harbor into the new building that was
[53:00]
going to take care of Khasset's public
[53:02]
safety needs for 50 years.
[53:05]
It did.
[53:07]
Now 62 years on, the building no longer
[53:11]
works for either department.
[53:14]
The community's needs have evolved, and
[53:16]
so have the needs of the fire and police
[53:18]
department.
[53:20]
In 2005,
[53:23]
the need for a new police station was
[53:25]
placed on the town's 10-year capital
[53:27]
plan.
[53:30]
Now, 20 years later, the time has come
[53:33]
to do something.
[53:35]
This article seeks funding to build a
[53:38]
new police station on Route 3A
[53:41]
with space for future expansion for the
[53:43]
fire department.
[53:46]
Commander Gregory Lenon of the police
[53:48]
department will show you why we need it
[53:51]
now.
[53:59]
Good evening. My name is Gregory Lennon
[54:01]
and I am a commander with the Kohasa
[54:03]
Police Department. I currently serve as
[54:05]
the executive officer, which is the
[54:07]
second in command of the department. I
[54:09]
grew up here and have worked for the
[54:10]
Kohasa Police Department for over 31
[54:12]
years. If you look at the photos on the
[54:15]
screen, you're looking at our squad room
[54:17]
being used for evidence processing, drug
[54:20]
testing, and training. Work that should
[54:22]
never be taking place in a shared space
[54:24]
like this.
[54:25]
is also where officers eat their
[54:27]
meals.
[54:28]
And when the room is being used this
[54:30]
way, officers have to eat in their cars
[54:32]
in the parking lot. The squad room was
[54:35]
originally designed for roll call and
[54:37]
shift briefings. Today, it serves as
[54:40]
roll call space, the interview room for
[54:42]
victims, witnesses, and suspects, the
[54:44]
evidence processing area, the report
[54:47]
writing space, the staff break room, and
[54:50]
the primary meeting space for day-to-day
[54:52]
operations. All of those functions
[54:54]
happen in one single room. So when that
[54:56]
room is in use for one purpose,
[54:58]
everything else has to wait. If an
[55:01]
officer is interviewing a victim,
[55:02]
evidence processing is delayed. If
[55:04]
evidence is being handled, interviews
[55:06]
wait. There is nowhere else to go. That
[55:09]
same room is also the only access point
[55:11]
to my office. If that room is in use, I
[55:14]
can't get in or out. I can't interrupt
[55:17]
those interviews, so I'm effectively
[55:18]
blocked until they're finished. And just
[55:21]
to give you a real example of what that
[55:23]
looks like, there was a time I needed to
[55:25]
attend an important meeting while a
[55:27]
critical interview was taking place in
[55:29]
that room. I couldn't go through it, so
[55:32]
I had to climb out of my office window
[55:34]
onto the front lawn. That's not a joke.
[55:38]
Fortunately, it's a one-story building.
[55:41]
And even when I'm in my office, the
[55:43]
space itself is extremely limited. If an
[55:46]
officer needs to speak with me
[55:48]
privately, there isn't enough room for
[55:50]
them to sit. They have to stand or we
[55:53]
step out into the garage or the parking
[55:54]
lot to have that conversation.
[55:57]
At least I have an office. Most officers
[56:00]
who carry additional administrative
[56:01]
responsibilities don't have any
[56:03]
dedicated space at all. There is no room
[56:06]
to provide them with something as basic
[56:08]
as their own filing cabinet.
[56:10]
This is the daily reality of how this
[56:12]
building functions and it's where people
[56:14]
are expected to work every day under
[56:16]
those conditions.
[56:18]
The building itself is about 13,000
[56:20]
square ft. It was built in 1962 for nine
[56:24]
officers. Today, we have 21 full-time
[56:26]
officers and additional staff working
[56:28]
out of that same space. Now, look at the
[56:31]
booking and sell area. It's from that
[56:34]
same era. It does not meet current
[56:36]
standards. It's not ADA compliant. It
[56:39]
fails inspection every year for
[56:40]
deficiencies and it cannot accommodate a
[56:43]
stretcher. If somebody in custody needs
[56:46]
medical attention, they have to be
[56:48]
physically carried out into the hallway
[56:50]
before they can even be placed on a
[56:52]
stretcher. The cells do not reflect
[56:54]
modern standards for safety,
[56:56]
supervision, or humane custody
[56:59]
conditions, and they create a higher
[57:01]
risk of harm for both officers and
[57:03]
people in custody. That is the reality
[57:05]
of this building today. While Cohassid
[57:09]
is a small, close-knit community, many
[57:11]
people assume that little happens here.
[57:14]
In reality, our offices regular
[57:16]
regularly respond to serious incidents
[57:19]
and handle them with the highest
[57:20]
standard of professionalism.
[57:22]
It could be a domestic situation that's
[57:24]
escalating. It could be someone
[57:26]
experiencing a mental health crisis. It
[57:29]
could be a serious accident involving
[57:30]
life-threatening injuries. And they
[57:33]
respond to those situations as part of
[57:35]
everyday service to this community. When
[57:37]
they return to the station, their work
[57:39]
continues. They may be processing
[57:41]
evidence, interviewing a victim or
[57:44]
witness, booking someone into custody,
[57:46]
or writing reports that require accuracy
[57:48]
and attention to detail.
[57:51]
And they may be mentally processing a
[57:53]
traumatic incident they just responded
[57:55]
to. But there's no place to decompress
[57:58]
because it is all happening in the same
[58:00]
room. And if officers need a few moments
[58:03]
to mentally recover from a difficult
[58:05]
call, there is nowhere appropriate to do
[58:08]
that. They may end up sitting in their
[58:10]
car in the parking lot just as they do
[58:12]
when they eat their meals or sitting on
[58:15]
a toolbox in the garage or the floor in
[58:18]
the locker room.
[58:20]
Then they immediately move back into
[58:21]
interviews, evidence processing, and
[58:23]
other responsibilities in the same
[58:24]
shared space. Without any place to
[58:27]
decompress or reset, they're expected to
[58:30]
go right back to work and be mentally
[58:32]
ready to think clearly and make good
[58:34]
decisions on the next call they respond
[58:36]
to. Investigations slow because work
[58:38]
cannot be separated into parallel tasks.
[58:41]
Evidence processing is delayed because
[58:43]
there is no dedicated space to complete
[58:45]
it. And when one task has to wait for
[58:47]
another, it extends the workday and
[58:49]
generates overtime that would not
[58:51]
otherwise be necessary.
[58:53]
Officers are forced to work within the
[58:54]
limitations of the room instead of
[58:56]
focusing fully on the work itself.
[58:58]
Interviews present another challenge.
[59:01]
Victims and witnesses are brought into
[59:02]
the same shared space where other
[59:04]
activity is taking place. There is no
[59:07]
true sense of privacy in no environment
[59:09]
that supports them feeling safe while
[59:12]
they are recounting what may be one of
[59:14]
the most difficult experiences of their
[59:16]
life. And once those interviews are
[59:18]
completed, we often have to move people
[59:20]
out quickly because the room is needed
[59:22]
for the next function. That is not how
[59:24]
these interactions are meant to happen.
[59:27]
When people walk into this building,
[59:28]
they see the reality immediately. And
[59:30]
quite frankly, the workspace is
[59:32]
embarrassing for a modern police
[59:33]
department. And for someone considering
[59:36]
joining this department, it really comes
[59:38]
down to two questions. Can I do my job
[59:40]
well here? And will I feel valued here?
[59:43]
And under the current conditions, it's
[59:45]
hard to see how the answer to either of
[59:46]
those can be yes. That is not a
[59:49]
sustainable standard for any workforce.
[59:51]
Because the people you want responding
[59:53]
when something goes wrong, the people
[59:55]
you want showing up at your home at 2 in
[59:57]
the morning, have options because this
[59:59]
is a competitive market and departments
[1:00:01]
across the region are all competing for
[1:00:04]
a small number of truly exceptional
[1:00:05]
officers, including us. And we are very
[1:00:08]
selective about who we hire because we
[1:00:11]
want the best people serving this
[1:00:12]
community and you deserve that.
[1:00:16]
And the officers we have are among the
[1:00:17]
very best in the Commonwealth. But these
[1:00:20]
workplace conditions will ultimately
[1:00:22]
determine whether they stay here or take
[1:00:24]
their talent somewhere else because this
[1:00:26]
is not a standard you can reasonably
[1:00:28]
expect people to continue working under.
[1:00:30]
The limitations you are seeing are tied
[1:00:32]
to a building designed more than 60
[1:00:34]
years ago for a department one-third the
[1:00:36]
size. A new facility changes that. It
[1:00:40]
provides separate spaces so interviews,
[1:00:42]
investigations, evidence processing, and
[1:00:45]
report writing can happen when they need
[1:00:46]
to happen. It provides dedicated
[1:00:48]
interview rooms that allow victims and
[1:00:50]
witnesses to speak in privacy in a
[1:00:53]
setting that supports both dignity and
[1:00:55]
safety. It provides a booking and
[1:00:58]
detention area that meets current
[1:00:59]
standards and allows safe medical
[1:01:02]
access.
[1:01:04]
It provides a workplace that reflects
[1:01:06]
the responsibility placed on the people
[1:01:08]
who serve here every day. We ask
[1:01:11]
officers to step into uncertainty and to
[1:01:14]
respond to situations most people will
[1:01:16]
never encounter and to carry significant
[1:01:20]
responsibility every day. The facility
[1:01:22]
they return to should match that level
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of responsibility. And right now it does
[1:01:28]
not. What you're seeing in these photos
[1:01:31]
is the current operating environment.
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The decision before you determines
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whether that continues. Thank you for
[1:01:37]
your time.
[1:01:47]
The timeline that is about to be shown
[1:01:51]
shows you that the police station issue
[1:01:54]
has been looked at every few years for
[1:01:56]
the last 20 years and no action has been
[1:01:58]
taken.
[1:02:00]
This meeting in 2023 authorized
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10,400,000
[1:02:06]
to purchase and renovate 135 King
[1:02:09]
Street. Our architect and project
[1:02:12]
manager were hired to design a new
[1:02:14]
public safety building in 2024.
[1:02:18]
During 2025, the project was put on hold
[1:02:22]
and the select board appointed a more
[1:02:24]
diverse committee consisting of eight
[1:02:26]
citizens and seven exopicio members to
[1:02:30]
study more options.
[1:02:32]
The proposal we will be presenting to
[1:02:34]
you tonight is the results of that work.
[1:02:37]
First, we took a look at available uh
[1:02:41]
opportunities to expand or renovate the
[1:02:44]
Elm Street location. The Elm Street
[1:02:47]
location is a small parcel which you see
[1:02:49]
on the screen uh outlined in in red.
[1:02:53]
It's in a condensed small neighborhood.
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Outward expansion is not possible there.
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There's not enough um parking. any uh
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space that's taken for expanded building
[1:03:04]
cuts into some other space that the
[1:03:06]
department uses now. There is senior
[1:03:08]
housing 64 units in in the back. There
[1:03:11]
are group homes. There are unmovable
[1:03:14]
utility easements and a myriad of other
[1:03:16]
complications that do not make it
[1:03:18]
feasible.
[1:03:20]
The vertical expansion would require
[1:03:22]
structural reinforcements, code
[1:03:24]
upgrades, and would not probably provide
[1:03:27]
enough square footage for the police
[1:03:29]
needs.
[1:03:30]
And if we were to do that kind of a
[1:03:32]
project there, a temporary location
[1:03:34]
would have to be found for both the
[1:03:36]
police and fire department for a period
[1:03:38]
of most likely two years.
[1:03:41]
Elm Street cannot solve the public
[1:03:44]
safety needs of either department. And
[1:03:46]
even if it could, we wonder whether that
[1:03:49]
kind of municipal operation should be
[1:03:51]
crowded into that small neighborhood.
[1:03:55]
The other thing we took a look at was
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perhaps there's another location in the
[1:03:59]
3A corridor, which is the pre preferred
[1:04:02]
location for uh public safety buildings.
[1:04:05]
We looked at 13 open parcels of land
[1:04:08]
there. None of them can work because of
[1:04:12]
conservation restrictions or they're too
[1:04:14]
small or they're currently not owned by
[1:04:16]
the town. So, they would have to be
[1:04:18]
acquired. So simply put, there are no
[1:04:21]
locations on 3A that are viable at this
[1:04:24]
time.
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Designing a modern public safety
[1:04:29]
building. In 2024, we hired project
[1:04:34]
manager P3 and HKT architects. HKT and
[1:04:39]
P3 specialized in municipal projects in
[1:04:42]
Massachusetts and designed and built
[1:04:45]
many public safety buildings.
[1:04:47]
The building committee and the police
[1:04:49]
department worked extensively with HKT
[1:04:52]
to ensure that police station design
[1:04:55]
that we are presenting tonight meets the
[1:04:57]
current and future needs of the KASA
[1:04:59]
police. The architects toured the
[1:05:02]
existing building on Elm Street,
[1:05:04]
observed police operations firsthand,
[1:05:07]
and determined the space needs for
[1:05:09]
Cohesid police going forward and the
[1:05:12]
types of the types of spaces they needed
[1:05:14]
and how they should be related to each
[1:05:16]
other within the building.
[1:05:18]
The designs we are presenting tonight
[1:05:20]
meet those goals and they take advantage
[1:05:22]
of the efficiencies of renovating and
[1:05:25]
adding on to the building we own at 135
[1:05:27]
King Street.
[1:05:29]
The next slide which you have in your
[1:05:32]
handout uh you might get more
[1:05:33]
information by looking at that shows the
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uh site plan. The building is centered
[1:05:38]
on the property. The existing building
[1:05:40]
is shown in the uh light yellowish green
[1:05:44]
in the center. The dark blue edition is
[1:05:48]
the secure police detention operation
[1:05:50]
side of the building. The pale blue
[1:05:53]
edition includes the unfinished garage
[1:05:56]
which will be used to house the fire
[1:05:58]
department spare engine which we talked
[1:06:01]
about earlier and other town owned
[1:06:04]
vehicles. Garaging a fire engine here
[1:06:06]
will allow the fire department to
[1:06:09]
operate their seven ambulance from the
[1:06:11]
Elm Street location. The garage bays are
[1:06:14]
located with easy access to 3A.
[1:06:18]
Also on your handout tonight are the
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floor plans.
[1:06:23]
The first floor includes a public
[1:06:26]
entrance where citizens of the public
[1:06:28]
can come in, have access to police staff
[1:06:31]
for questions or permitting
[1:06:32]
applications, have access to the
[1:06:35]
community room, which is also going to
[1:06:37]
be used for police training, and in fact
[1:06:40]
will be the town's emergency operations
[1:06:42]
center, EOCC.
[1:06:44]
The second floor is devoted to police
[1:06:46]
operations, including roll call rooms,
[1:06:49]
evidence, interview rooms, offices, and
[1:06:51]
lockers.
[1:06:55]
The exterior view
[1:06:58]
shows the building from the from the
[1:07:00]
north view. The this is the area that's
[1:07:03]
being added on which houses the secure
[1:07:05]
police areas, police operations,
[1:07:07]
detention cells, evidence storage, and
[1:07:09]
those kind of uses. These areas are
[1:07:13]
separated from the public entrance for
[1:07:15]
the safety of the public, police
[1:07:16]
officers and detainees.
[1:07:19]
A sallyport is a garage which provides
[1:07:22]
secure and private movement of detainees
[1:07:25]
into the station where they can be
[1:07:26]
safely transferred and move through the
[1:07:28]
booking process without any public
[1:07:30]
interaction. This garage is sized to
[1:07:33]
accommodate ambulances in case in the
[1:07:36]
event that detainees need to be
[1:07:37]
transferred to a hospital. A secure
[1:07:40]
garage bay is also provided being built
[1:07:42]
here to process uh evidence on impounded
[1:07:46]
vehicles.
[1:07:49]
So the next thing you might be
[1:07:50]
interested in is how we going to cost
[1:07:53]
and how are we going to finance it and
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Rich Kinship by chair of the committee
[1:07:57]
will speak to that.
[1:08:02]
» Good evening everyone. My name is Rich
[1:08:04]
Kincherf. I am the vice chair of the
[1:08:06]
public safety facility committee and I
[1:08:07]
live at 172 Sawyer Street.
[1:08:11]
The table on this slide outlines the
[1:08:13]
total project cost for their proposed
[1:08:15]
new police station at 135 King Street.
[1:08:18]
The total project cost is broken down
[1:08:20]
into expenditures the town has incurred
[1:08:22]
to date on the project as well as
[1:08:23]
estimated costs to complete the project.
[1:08:26]
Expenditures to date are the first
[1:08:28]
grouping in the table. These include the
[1:08:30]
purchase of 135 King Street, various
[1:08:32]
fees and expenses for design as well as
[1:08:34]
project management. To date, the town
[1:08:36]
has spent $5,400,000
[1:08:39]
on the project, which was entirely
[1:08:41]
funded by the original appropriation
[1:08:43]
back in 2023.
[1:08:45]
The estimated expenditures to complete
[1:08:47]
the project are in the second grouping
[1:08:49]
on the table. These include the
[1:08:51]
estimated construction costs, radio and
[1:08:53]
communications equipment, and various
[1:08:54]
fees and other expenses. This also
[1:08:57]
includes contingency for any
[1:08:58]
unanticipated costs that may arise.
[1:09:03]
Adding together what has been spent to
[1:09:08]
date with what is needed.
[1:09:11]
Moving forward, we arrive at the total
[1:09:13]
project cost of $32,183,000.
[1:09:19]
This next slide explains how we arrived
[1:09:21]
at the appropriation we are requesting
[1:09:23]
here tonight. As we just saw from the
[1:09:26]
previous slide, the estimated total
[1:09:28]
project cost is $32,183,000.
[1:09:32]
From that, we subtract the 5.4 million
[1:09:35]
that has been spent to date and was
[1:09:37]
funded in that original appropriation
[1:09:39]
back in 2023.
[1:09:41]
There is still another 5 million left of
[1:09:43]
the original appropriation that has not
[1:09:45]
been spent.
[1:09:47]
When we subtract that as well, we arrive
[1:09:49]
at the appropriation being requested
[1:09:50]
here tonight under article 21, which is
[1:09:53]
$21,783,000.
[1:10:00]
Planning for the long-term operations of
[1:10:02]
the new police station has been an
[1:10:03]
important part of the building
[1:10:04]
committee's work on this project. Early
[1:10:07]
in the design, we invited the town's
[1:10:08]
facilities department to meet with the
[1:10:10]
architect and engineers as we looked at
[1:10:13]
alternative HVAC systems. The electric
[1:10:16]
air source heat pump incorporated in the
[1:10:18]
design was the decision by the
[1:10:20]
facilities department as it is a
[1:10:22]
preferred system due to its efficiency
[1:10:23]
and ease of maintenance.
[1:10:26]
Sustainable design features were also
[1:10:28]
considered to help bring down
[1:10:29]
operational costs. In additions to the
[1:10:32]
high efficiency heat pump system, the
[1:10:33]
design features high efficiency LED
[1:10:36]
lighting and lowflow plumbing fixtures
[1:10:38]
to reduce water usage. Insulation is
[1:10:40]
being added to the walls of the existing
[1:10:42]
building to improve its thermal
[1:10:44]
performance. While the new additions are
[1:10:46]
designed with high insulation values in
[1:10:48]
their walls and roofs,
[1:10:50]
the roofs are also designed to be solar
[1:10:52]
ready so that PV panels can be added in
[1:10:54]
the future to offset electricity costs
[1:10:57]
if the town chooses to do so. The
[1:10:59]
parking lots also will include vehicle
[1:11:01]
charging.
[1:11:03]
As designed and based on today's utility
[1:11:05]
rates, we estimate the annual operating
[1:11:07]
cost of the new police station to be
[1:11:09]
about $68,000.
[1:11:12]
Since 135 King Street was purchased by
[1:11:15]
the town, it has since been the
[1:11:16]
responsibility of the facilities
[1:11:18]
department and DPW to maintain the
[1:11:20]
building as well as the current facility
[1:11:22]
on Elm Street. The facilities and DPW
[1:11:25]
departments will continue to do so after
[1:11:26]
the police station is completed.
[1:11:30]
And now I'd like to introduce David
[1:11:32]
Farog for his comments.
[1:11:44]
Thank you. Good evening everybody. Uh
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David Farog, select board member, 39
[1:11:49]
Beachwood Street. When the article to
[1:11:52]
purchase the King Street property for
[1:11:53]
the public safety building was
[1:11:55]
introduced, I was sitting in the
[1:11:57]
audience as a town meeting member just
[1:11:58]
like you. Since then, I was elected to
[1:12:01]
the select board and the public safety
[1:12:03]
facilities committee has spent years
[1:12:05]
preparing this project for your vote
[1:12:06]
tonight. There are a number of facts
[1:12:09]
that I've learned during this process
[1:12:10]
that I wanted to share with you. When
[1:12:13]
the police station on Elm Street was
[1:12:14]
built in 1962,
[1:12:16]
officer training was informal and on the
[1:12:19]
job. Training later became a structured
[1:12:22]
statemandated with an 800 plus hour
[1:12:25]
program focused on modern policing
[1:12:27]
principles. The Municipal Police
[1:12:29]
Training Council established in 1964 and
[1:12:33]
further reforms were made in 2020. Our
[1:12:36]
police station predates all of these
[1:12:38]
changes.
[1:12:40]
Please go to slide one. Next slide. In
[1:12:43]
the 1970s, Boston Magazine's 1977 cover,
[1:12:47]
which you see to the the left,
[1:12:49]
highlighted the lack of police training,
[1:12:51]
highlighting Cohassid police as the gang
[1:12:54]
that couldn't shoot straight. These
[1:12:56]
stories are now a part of coacassid
[1:12:58]
history and folklore, including the
[1:13:00]
story at the time of the police chief's
[1:13:03]
son riding a motorcycle through town in
[1:13:05]
just cowboy boots, two bandeliers of
[1:13:07]
ammunition, and nothing else. Thank
[1:13:10]
goodness we didn't have camera phones
[1:13:12]
back then. Though these stories were
[1:13:14]
entertaining, the need for real training
[1:13:16]
and professionalization of the coasset
[1:13:18]
police was clear and later achieved.
[1:13:21]
Please go to slide two.
[1:13:23]
Over time, the department has increased
[1:13:25]
its professionalism and standards.
[1:13:27]
Today, officers are trained in CPR,
[1:13:30]
medical response, firearms, crisis
[1:13:33]
intervention, deescalation, active
[1:13:35]
shooter scenarios, and complete 60 hours
[1:13:38]
of annual inservice training, plus peace
[1:13:41]
officer standards and training
[1:13:43]
certification every three years.
[1:13:45]
Officers now serve our community as law
[1:13:48]
enforcement, medical responders, crisis
[1:13:51]
managers, technology operators,
[1:13:54]
investigators, communicators, and
[1:13:56]
deescalation specialists.
[1:13:59]
To properly protect Cohassid, police
[1:14:01]
need the proper tools and facilities.
[1:14:03]
The new public safety building offers
[1:14:05]
dedicated training areas, briefing
[1:14:08]
rooms, and proper prisoner detention.
[1:14:10]
Its layout meets Massachusetts codes for
[1:14:13]
safety and efficiency. Modern challenges
[1:14:16]
including cell phone and computer
[1:14:17]
forensics, crisis intervention, overdose
[1:14:21]
response, active shooter protocols, and
[1:14:24]
bias-free policing demand updated
[1:14:26]
resources. Recent issues in town like
[1:14:30]
car thefts, retail theft gangs, online
[1:14:33]
identity theft, domestic violence, and
[1:14:36]
mental health emergencies also require
[1:14:38]
effective responses. Our police are
[1:14:41]
highly trained and have performed
[1:14:42]
admirably even in challenging
[1:14:44]
situations.
[1:14:46]
During the Anna Walsh murder case, which
[1:14:48]
gained national and international
[1:14:50]
attention, both the state police and
[1:14:52]
Norfol County District Attorney's Office
[1:14:55]
depended heavily on our police
[1:14:56]
department due to concerns of their own
[1:14:59]
objectivity and lack of professionalism
[1:15:02]
following the Karen Reed case. They
[1:15:04]
depended upon the coassess police's
[1:15:06]
professionalism and something that
[1:15:08]
cannot be found in a budget or
[1:15:10]
mathematically calculated. That
[1:15:12]
ingredient was integrity.
[1:15:14]
That is how a conviction was achieved in
[1:15:17]
the case based on just circumstantial
[1:15:19]
evidence.
[1:15:27]
Building a top tier police force starts
[1:15:29]
with strong leadership at all levels.
[1:15:31]
chief, commanders, lieutenants,
[1:15:33]
sergeants, and it permeates to the
[1:15:35]
patrol officers. Our building, over 65
[1:15:38]
years old, 64 years old, is outdated and
[1:15:41]
unsuitable for current operations.
[1:15:44]
Nearby towns like Kingham, Hull, and
[1:15:47]
Situit are upgrading their public safety
[1:15:49]
facilities to modern standards. Since
[1:15:51]
1962, Cohassid has built a new Osgood
[1:15:55]
school, upgraded the Deer Hill. The high
[1:15:58]
school has been renovated twice since
[1:16:00]
that time, relocated and expanded the
[1:16:03]
library to the old Osgood school and and
[1:16:05]
we've constructed a new DPW and senior
[1:16:08]
center. After 18 years, Town Hall is now
[1:16:11]
being restored to its former glory.
[1:16:15]
Please clap for that.
[1:16:19]
Uh meanwhile, the Elm Street Police
[1:16:21]
Station remains unchanged. Building a
[1:16:23]
new public safety building is long
[1:16:25]
overdue. In summary, the decision before us is pivotable. We must
[1:16:30]
choose whether to unite as a community
[1:16:32]
and to move forward together or allow
[1:16:34]
division to undermine our shared goals.
[1:16:37]
Now is the time for Cohasset to stand
[1:16:39]
together, support one another, and
[1:16:41]
ensure a safer future for all residents.
[1:16:44]
The value of a new public safety
[1:16:46]
building to Cohasset goes far beyond
[1:16:48]
budgets, dollars, and cents. As Oscar
[1:16:51]
Wild once wrote, "A cynic is a man who
[1:16:53]
knows the price of everything and the
[1:16:55]
value of nothing." Voting yes on this
[1:16:57]
article will resolve the issue and
[1:16:59]
ensure our public safety operations are
[1:17:01]
brought into the 21st century, meeting
[1:17:04]
the needs of our community now and for
[1:17:05]
future generations.
[1:17:07]
Conversely, voting no does not result in
[1:17:10]
any financial savings. Instead, it
[1:17:12]
creates additional, more expensive
[1:17:14]
problems for the town and its residents.
[1:17:17]
Therefore, I urge you to join me in
[1:17:19]
voting yes on this article. The safety
[1:17:21]
of you, your family, and your children
[1:17:23]
is of utmost importance. Thank you.
[1:17:34]
The select board has voted
[1:17:37]
300 to recommend adoption for the
[1:17:40]
advisory committee. I'll recognize Mr.
[1:17:42]
Mark Cameron.
[1:17:53]
18 Virginia Lane, uh, vice
[1:17:56]
chair of the advisory committee. The
[1:17:59]
public safety building was presented to
[1:18:00]
the capital budget committee, advisory
[1:18:03]
committee, and the select board in the
[1:18:04]
fall of 2025.
[1:18:06]
As the various committees dug into the
[1:18:08]
details, there were still some items
[1:18:10]
that needed to be flushed out before
[1:18:11]
putting the article in front of the
[1:18:13]
community.
[1:18:14]
The article was pulled from fall town
[1:18:16]
meeting. The process works. The public
[1:18:19]
safety committee flushed out the
[1:18:21]
details, went through value management
[1:18:23]
items, and we have a plan that will
[1:18:25]
provide the Cohasset Police Department
[1:18:27]
with a facility that meets current
[1:18:29]
operations now and years to come without
[1:18:32]
increasing police and fire staffing.
[1:18:37]
135 King Street will also help support
[1:18:40]
the needs of the fire department
[1:18:41]
operations on Elm Street by housing our
[1:18:44]
back our existing backup fire engine in
[1:18:47]
the shelled out garage space at 135 King
[1:18:50]
Street. This frees up space on the Elm
[1:18:53]
Street apparatus floor for our existing
[1:18:56]
backup ambulance to be stocked with
[1:18:58]
medicine and put into service at a
[1:19:00]
moment's notice. This is currently not
[1:19:03]
the case.
[1:19:05]
The shelled out garage space allows for
[1:19:07]
f future growth while providing current
[1:19:11]
garage needs for critical DPW equipment
[1:19:13]
and storms and a space for our school
[1:19:15]
buses to receive regular on-site
[1:19:17]
maintenance.
[1:19:19]
The emergency management center will be
[1:19:21]
relocated out of the Deer Hill and
[1:19:23]
incorporated into the police station, a
[1:19:25]
more appropriate location. It will also
[1:19:28]
serve as a community room for in-person
[1:19:31]
meetings. The advisory committee has
[1:19:34]
voted 8 to1 with one abstension to
[1:19:36]
support the police station at 135 King
[1:19:39]
Street. Thank you.
[1:19:41]
>> Thank you.
[1:19:46]
Is there someone from Capital Budget
[1:19:48]
that's going to speak?
[1:19:58]
Kathy Forest from the capital budget
[1:20:00]
committee 36 Parker Avenue.
[1:20:03]
One remitt of the capital budget
[1:20:05]
committee is to review infrastructure
[1:20:07]
projects.
[1:20:09]
This committee is separate from the
[1:20:10]
public safety facilities committee and
[1:20:13]
for this project we have functioned as
[1:20:15]
another set of eyes to help the town
[1:20:17]
evaluate this proposal.
[1:20:20]
The four capital budget committee
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members who have voted to recommend
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article 21 started our work in earnest
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last September.
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The committee consisted of some
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longerterm members with the benefit of
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town history but also some brand new
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members with fresh perspectives.
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During September and early October,
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these four members of the CBC had weekly
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public meetings discussing this project
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directly with the architects, the
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project manager, the chiefs, and town
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management.
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We dug deep into the details of over 50
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documents that were provided to us,
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including existing condition reports for
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Elm Street and King Street,
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public safety staffing and programming
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descriptions,
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detailed site and building renderings,
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and line item cost estimates.
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Perhaps most impactful were the site
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visits that we made during that time.
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We toured the Elm Street station. We
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toured the emergency operations center
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in the Deer Hill basement.
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We toured 135 King Street.
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And most informative, we toured the
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Marshfield Police Station built in 2021,
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which provided a stark contrast to the
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work environment of our town police
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force. and it gave us a firsthand look
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at how police stations support the work
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of modern policing.
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After the select board expanded the
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public safety facilities committee to
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include additional citizens and subject
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matter experts, I was added to the
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committee as an exeicio member. At that
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time, we gained a new representative on
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the capital budget committee who
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unfortunately did not get the benefit of
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those previous extensive meetings or
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document reviews and did not take any
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facility tours.
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From that point, I provided updates
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about the project to the capital budget
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committee at every one of our meetings
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through March, and the CBC continued to
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spend significant time and effort
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pressure testing this proposal.
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We concluded that the current police
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station at Elm Street is outdated and
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inadequate for the requirements of today
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and going forward.
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Our chiefs have done a remarkable job
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keeping their work workforces effective
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in this facility.
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The current facility cannot be expanded
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cost-effectively to solve the complete
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problem but it can be modified to
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provide a suitable home for the fire
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department.
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The police department need a new
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facility, ideally on 3A, which provides
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the best access to the whole town.
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The building at 135 King Street does
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have challenges for its newly proposed
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use.
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The site and the building do need
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modifications to meet the requirements
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for a public safety facility.
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However, a review of other sites around
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3A found them to be too small or subject
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to conservation restrictions or would
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also require extensive cost to make
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suitable. There are no other suitable
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locations on 3A in our little town.
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We also looked at comparables of
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facilities constructed in the last 10
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years based on town size.
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In this effort, we really struggled to
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get truly comparable data. We could,
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however, see that if adjusted for
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today's building prices, the new police
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facility at 135 King Street will be well
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within the range of what other
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facilities have cost to build.
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As a result of our deliberations, the
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capital budget committee recommends the
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approval of article 21. Thank you.
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Is there discussion
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recognize Mr. Collins first?
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>> Francis just was that did you have some
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concluding remarks?
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>> I'm going to be here to answer
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questions.
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>> Oh, okay.
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Somewhere around 35 or 40 years ago, we
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put a committee together to look at that
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building on Elm Street because there had
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been a lot of deferred maintenance.
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Place was really in bad shape and what
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can we do to make it better and most of
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the uh issues that officer Lennon raised
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tonight, we raised them 40 years ago and
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nothing was done. We just kept putting
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off and putting off and putting off. And
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as you know, as you put off and put off, up go the prices and up
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they go. To have proper policing in this
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town, to have proper facilities for
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these men to do their job that they're
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supposed to do, we need a new police
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station. You know, who wants to spend an
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extra $30 million if we don't have to.
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But we do have to. So, this is um this
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is something that we really and truly
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need. And I hope everybody thinks long
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and hard about it and gives it a good
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yes vote. Thank you.
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Um I've got the gentleman here and then
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I got two people right there.
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Sir,
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uh Jack Kraton, 20 uh three Cushing
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Road. I rise to urge my fellow towns
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people to vote enthusiastically for this
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project. It's a good project. I have
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been privileged to be in parts of it
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going back some 20 years. 20 years ago
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when I was first in the police station
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on the right side, I might add. Um it
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was horrible.
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Hasn't gotten any better. You've heard
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compelling evidence from various other
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boards and commissions who've looked at
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it and come to the same conclusion. It
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needs to go a new project. This project
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has been vetted. People have spent
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countless hours. I think we can all be
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confident that we have a winning
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proposal and I asked you to support it
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and yes there were some financial
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questions.
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Two three years ago there were some
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unfortunate budget projections.
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Fortunately
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all of that is gratefully in the past.
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So let's not let that
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influence today. Let us not be held
[1:26:49]
hostage by that. Let's also look at the
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financing. Now, this is a debt
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exclusion, and what that means is, yes,
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we're going to uh up our taxes a little,
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but we only pay the taxes until the
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project is paid for and then it goes off
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the books. It's not an unending
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whatever. So, you can take comfort in
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that. What you hopefully agree to
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tonight
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will be paid for. And again, we are very
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fortunate. We have probably the finest
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small town police and fire department in
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the state, if not the nation. We should
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show our support. We should be grateful.
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And again, I ask each and every one of
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you to vote in favor of this project.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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» Let the woman over here, please.
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>> Uh, hi, Chrissy Francona, 55 Redgate
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Lane. Um, as the fifth member of the
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capital budget committee, I would like
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to just take issue with the comments
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that were made. I was the objecting
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vote. I have no issue with the fact that
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we need a new facility. That has never
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been my argument. My issue has been with
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the process, with the transparency of
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costs, and I think it was a pretty low
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blow to suggest otherwise. Thank you,
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» Mr. Jenkins.
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Jerusalem Road. I voted for the
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$10.4 million original price for this
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job. It's gone up three times. That's
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almost impossible to be done. And $32
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million plus, I know I'm going to say
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another 15 or 20,000. So, we're talking
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between 45 to 50 million to do this
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facility.
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Now, I've been told you can't count the
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interest. Well, that's the interest that
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everybody here pays for, so it should be
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counted. I just think we can do
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something better with this facility. I
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think we can do something better. So,
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thank you.
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>> Thank you,
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» uh, Mr. Dick. And then I've got the
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gentleman over here.
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>> Good evening. Mike Dick, 27 Parker
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Avenue.
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This is um a a clear community need. I
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also on the capital budget committee in
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2023 voted for the $10.4 million.
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At that time we had a very similar
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presentation outlining the terrible
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conditions on Elm Street and the need
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for a new facility.
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and we were after much debate were able
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to agree to support that vote at town
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meeting. I I'm here to caution this town
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meeting and future town meetings
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that we have to be so careful about how
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much a budget can increase over time.
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And it's stunning to me that this
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project has
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increased so much from the original 10.4
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to meet the the same need that we've
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heard about tonight. I'm sure there are
[1:30:07]
many reasons why, but I just ex I want
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us to exercise caution and be somewhat
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careful on how we approach this
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particular project. We have additional
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capital projects, I'm sure, in the
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pipeline.
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Um, if if there were time, I would ask
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both the advisory committee chair and
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the capital budget chair to outline what
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our futual future capital budget needs
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are over the next three years. The final
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point I'd like to make for us all
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tonight is that the projected $525
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additional tax on a $1 million valuation
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um comes on top of
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many dollars of increases we've
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experienced since 2023 in stabilization
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funds and and other reasons. So, I'm not
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saying vote no, but what I am saying is
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rem remember this night as we get future
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projects and how the town and its boards
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review these projects and make decisions
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for us. Thank you.
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>> Thank you.
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» Gentleman over here, please.
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>> Patrick Reen, 167 Pawn Street. Uh, I'm
[1:31:27]
also the a sergeant and the K9 handler
[1:31:29]
with the Kawas Police Department. I just
[1:31:31]
wanted to say a couple of things
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regarding the project. Um, I'm lucky
[1:31:35]
enough to be able to work and live in
[1:31:37]
the same town. Uh, gives me the ability
[1:31:41]
to, you know, help out as many people
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that I live near as I can. Um, and it's
[1:31:47]
been a pleasure to be able to do that
[1:31:49]
for almost 20 years. Um, this isn't a
[1:31:53]
question of whether or not we need the a
[1:31:55]
new department. we do need it and it's
[1:31:57]
going to have to happen at some point.
[1:31:59]
Uh we've been trying to do this for 20
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years. Um and we've just continued to
[1:32:03]
kick the can down the road. Um one of
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the issues that I just want to touch on
[1:32:09]
real quick is is recruitment. You know,
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we've taken a long time to build the
[1:32:14]
department to have quality officers that
[1:32:16]
we have today. And we're trying to keep
[1:32:18]
these officers. You know, these are the
[1:32:20]
people that are responding to your homes
[1:32:21]
at 2 in the morning. you know, all hours
[1:32:23]
of the day, you know, we're dealing
[1:32:24]
with, you know, we're not running, you
[1:32:26]
know, from bank robbery to bank robbery.
[1:32:28]
This is Cohassid, you know, like we're
[1:32:30]
not this we're a community-based police
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department. We serve different needs
[1:32:34]
than bigger cities and towns. We're able
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to give you guys the service that you
[1:32:40]
deserve. Um, you know, we have that
[1:32:43]
ability to do that. Well, in order to
[1:32:45]
have that ability, we need to hire
[1:32:47]
people that aren't just intelligent, but
[1:32:48]
that are emotionally intelligent. You
[1:32:50]
know, we, as you've seen in the last 5
[1:32:53]
to 10 years, policing's changed a lot.
[1:32:56]
We we aren't concerned with just
[1:32:58]
strictly crime anymore. We are dealing
[1:33:00]
with mental health crisis. We're dealing
[1:33:02]
with drug issues. We're dealing with
[1:33:05]
people uh that with things that we never
[1:33:08]
had to deal with uh you know, 10, 15, 20
[1:33:11]
years ago. Know when we respond to your
[1:33:14]
homes, you want us to be able to talk to
[1:33:16]
you to communicate effectively. you
[1:33:18]
know, when you guys uh having issues or
[1:33:20]
your family's having issues or friends,
[1:33:22]
mental health is has exploded in the
[1:33:25]
last 5 to 10 years. We're trying to
[1:33:27]
recruit people that have the ability to
[1:33:30]
speak to you and deescalate situations, with your loved
[1:33:34]
ones, you know, the the the type of
[1:33:36]
officer it's hard to find. Like you
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you've seen things from around the
[1:33:40]
country, you know, it's hard to find a
[1:33:42]
qual, you know, quality people that can
[1:33:44]
handle that, you know, that can jump
[1:33:46]
from thing to thing. Um, and I just
[1:33:49]
wanted to um, you know, say that what
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that's the type of officer that we're
[1:33:53]
looking for. We're hiring right now and
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I'm on the hiring committee.
[1:33:57]
You want us to be selective. You know,
[1:33:59]
you want us to be able to pick people
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that can handle these things that are
[1:34:03]
well-rounded. Um, it's really important
[1:34:05]
in the station, a new station where
[1:34:07]
these officers can actually work and and
[1:34:09]
do the job correctly and interview
[1:34:11]
people correctly and and and serve you
[1:34:13]
guys with the things that you need. It's extremely important be uh you know
[1:34:19]
we're in a recruitment crisis across the
[1:34:21]
country so it's a buyer market for us
[1:34:23]
you know I'm invested I live here I'm
[1:34:25]
not going anywhere you know and there's
[1:34:26]
a few others that are too but you know
[1:34:28]
there's other places that they can go we
[1:34:30]
people have options now used to you know
[1:34:32]
it used to be very very hard to get this
[1:34:34]
job and now in the last 5 to 10 years we
[1:34:37]
have to be very selective about who we
[1:34:39]
pick because they can go elsewhere so
[1:34:42]
you know just for my friends family and
[1:34:44]
neighbors or you know we'd like to be
[1:34:46]
able to provide the best services we
[1:34:48]
can. So that's all I want to say.
[1:34:50]
>> Thank you
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gentlemen over here.
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>> Thank you Justin 72 Lambert's Lane. Um
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you know I want to fully support and I
[1:35:04]
think everybody in this room supports
[1:35:06]
the police and fire department in this
[1:35:07]
town. Um I like many of you voted
[1:35:10]
enthusiastically for the 10.4 million
[1:35:12]
two years ago. Um, uh, one question I do
[1:35:16]
have, so this is the second override as
[1:35:18]
part of this project. What has not been
[1:35:20]
outlined in this is the Elm Street
[1:35:23]
renovation as it relates to the fire
[1:35:25]
department. And originally, by the way,
[1:35:27]
we all know we voted for a police and
[1:35:29]
fire station for $10.4 million. We're at
[1:35:32]
32 million and that that amount is is
[1:35:37]
not um defined yet. And my concern is
[1:35:40]
we're going to be back here a year from
[1:35:41]
now asking for another five, six, seven
[1:35:43]
million in order to do that project.
[1:35:46]
It's going to be a third override. And
[1:35:48]
then two years from now, we're going to
[1:35:49]
be sitting here with a multiund million
[1:35:51]
dollar question in front of this entire
[1:35:53]
town when the school planning committee
[1:35:56]
comes to us and asks us for another
[1:35:58]
override. So, um, I' I'd like to just
[1:36:01]
get some clarification as it relates to
[1:36:03]
the Elm Street property. Has there been
[1:36:05]
research done in order to estimate any
[1:36:08]
ballpark whatsoever with regards to that
[1:36:10]
renovation?
[1:36:11]
>> We have uh earlier this evening
[1:36:15]
$150,000
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was uh appropriated so we can begin to
[1:36:19]
take a look in depth at what uh can be
[1:36:22]
done at Elm Street. We do know what uh
[1:36:24]
the requirements of the fire department
[1:36:26]
going forward are. There are many things
[1:36:28]
that are uh not meeting regulatory
[1:36:30]
compliance. And so we're going to take a close look at that now, starting with
[1:36:34]
the money we got tonight, but that
[1:36:36]
project will probably be at least two
[1:36:40]
maybe three years away before we can
[1:36:41]
come in with a um price because uh
[1:36:44]
nothing can happen till the police move
[1:36:46]
out and prices three years out can't be
[1:36:49]
estimated today. But we're going to
[1:36:50]
start taking a look at that now and
[1:36:52]
we'll give you regular updates. We do
[1:36:54]
have a uh uh social media website page,
[1:36:58]
Facebook page. Uh we'll keep updating
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that uh with Elm Street information as
[1:37:02]
we go along. Also,
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>> thank you.
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Woman here, please.
[1:37:07]
>> Hi, uh Nina Welfford, um 231 South Main
[1:37:11]
Street. I wasn't planning to speak
[1:37:13]
tonight, but just sitting here thinking
[1:37:15]
uh watching that presentation, which
[1:37:17]
I've now seen twice, and thinking about
[1:37:19]
what our police department has had to
[1:37:21]
put up with for the last 50 years, it is
[1:37:22]
deplorable. I mean, I think most of us
[1:37:24]
can agree on that. So, I don't think I
[1:37:27]
think it boils down to the cost. Okay?
[1:37:30]
And all of us are well most of us are
[1:37:34]
dismayed about how things have changed
[1:37:36]
in the last few years and probably
[1:37:38]
aren't real thrilled with the process
[1:37:40]
that we were brought through to get to
[1:37:41]
this point. But my point right now is
[1:37:43]
this project is not going to ever get
[1:37:45]
any cheaper. Um, and I would speak the
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reason I felt like I had to say that is
[1:37:50]
I was involved and kind of in still
[1:37:53]
involved in trying to get a project done
[1:37:55]
in a neighboring town that's a small
[1:37:57]
commercial building and we raised the
[1:38:00]
money for it five years ago. Could not
[1:38:02]
decide on what to do with it. The
[1:38:05]
program just languished because nobody
[1:38:07]
could make up their mind on what to do
[1:38:09]
with this need that we all had the need,
[1:38:11]
but nobody could come to a decision
[1:38:13]
about how to do it. That average square
[1:38:16]
footage for that building 5 years ago
[1:38:18]
was $400 per square foot. Now the price
[1:38:21]
for that building is $1,000 per square
[1:38:24]
foot. And it's the delay in our time to
[1:38:27]
make the decision that has completely
[1:38:29]
put to waste all that money that we
[1:38:30]
raised. You know, we've h haved
[1:38:32]
basically the the value of that money we
[1:38:34]
raised. It's sad and but that is the
[1:38:36]
reality that we face today, I think. And
[1:38:39]
I don't see this getting any cheaper.
[1:38:41]
Um, so if you agree with the need, which
[1:38:44]
now I do, I'm convinced thoroughly and I
[1:38:47]
think that this building is not extreme
[1:38:49]
when I look at what's been put into it
[1:38:51]
and what our needs are. If we're
[1:38:53]
building something for the future, I
[1:38:55]
don't think this is extreme. So if it's
[1:38:57]
$27,000 square feet at $1,000 a square
[1:39:00]
foot, that's $27 million. So where we
[1:39:03]
are, it's probably more than that for
[1:39:05]
the kinds of specialized equipment we
[1:39:06]
need compared to a regular commercial
[1:39:09]
building at 1,000 a square foot. So I
[1:39:11]
actually think this is not exorbitant. I
[1:39:14]
think we need the we need it and we need
[1:39:16]
it now because it's only going to get
[1:39:17]
more expensive. Thank you.
[1:39:20]
>> Thank you,
[1:39:24]
sir.
[1:39:29]
Charlie DSantis uh 103 Forest A.
[1:39:35]
Let me
[1:39:37]
put a little bit more rain on this
[1:39:38]
project and hear me out and see if I can
[1:39:42]
get some agreement here.
[1:39:48]
I see the problem of this project is two parts. We have cost and location.
[1:39:56]
As I noted before,
[1:39:59]
our first estimate was 10.7 million back
[1:40:02]
a number of years and of course now it's
[1:40:05]
over 30 million.
[1:40:07]
We have Quinsey and we have Hangingham
[1:40:11]
that have set two warning bells
[1:40:13]
clanging.
[1:40:15]
Quinsey's project just finished
[1:40:18]
175 million. The place looks like the
[1:40:21]
Taj Mahal
[1:40:23]
just down the road in Hangum. They com
[1:40:26]
just completed their project and they
[1:40:29]
may even have some invoices outstanding
[1:40:32]
and it stands at 53 million.
[1:40:36]
So I mean it seems to me but this is a
[1:40:38]
race that maybe we don't want to be in
[1:40:41]
timing.
[1:40:43]
Presently we have a war with pressures
[1:40:47]
not only to cohass it but the entire
[1:40:50]
world's economy and this situation has
[1:40:53]
never been seen never before seen in our
[1:40:55]
lifetimes.
[1:40:57]
Respected economists,
[1:40:59]
political scientists, historians and
[1:41:01]
journalists are predicting at best a
[1:41:04]
deep recession
[1:41:06]
with many calling it a future
[1:41:09]
depression.
[1:41:11]
With every day the straight of her moves
[1:41:13]
is closed, the length the economic hit
[1:41:17]
grows. Right now, the consensus is a
[1:41:20]
four year four-year deep recession if
[1:41:24]
we're lucky.
[1:41:26]
I say this is not the time for loading
[1:41:28]
up with additional debt. We can expect a
[1:41:31]
really a yearly debt service bill for
[1:41:35]
this project. Um I'm estimating
[1:41:39]
um for the numbers uh thrown about here
[1:41:42]
today about a 1.6 million a year uh debt
[1:41:47]
payment which is equivalent to about
[1:41:50]
five afternoon kindergartens that we
[1:41:53]
weren't able to fund
[1:41:55]
at the last town meeting. So think of
[1:41:57]
that. This is a sizable amount of money
[1:42:00]
in debt service. Next problem I see is
[1:42:03]
the location.
[1:42:05]
The present location is on a quiet,
[1:42:07]
wide, rural New England street near the
[1:42:10]
town hall and the center of town where
[1:42:13]
the former one first set.
[1:42:16]
Proposed location moves it from the
[1:42:19]
center of town and places on a very busy
[1:42:21]
commuter link to Boston and our own very
[1:42:24]
busy commercial thoroughfare. This
[1:42:27]
creates a daunting challenge of entrance
[1:42:29]
and egress for everyone, especially for
[1:42:32]
people my age.
[1:42:34]
solution. What could that be? What
[1:42:39]
the words I'm going to use are repair,
[1:42:42]
renew, and remain in place.
[1:42:46]
I didn't come up with this. The town of
[1:42:48]
Bedford, Massachusetts did. They're up
[1:42:50]
on the north and west of us, and they
[1:42:53]
had a problem similar to us. An old
[1:42:55]
building, originally the town library,
[1:42:58]
converted to a police station in 1961.
[1:43:02]
It was showing its age, benign benign
[1:43:05]
neglect of some routine maintenance and
[1:43:09]
a severe need of some changes and
[1:43:12]
controvers
[1:43:14]
and and much controversy they had on the
[1:43:18]
solution.
[1:43:19]
The town liked the co location, but they
[1:43:22]
thought they were trapped into new
[1:43:24]
costly into a new costly solution
[1:43:27]
somewhere far from the town center. What
[1:43:30]
they did was remarkable.
[1:43:33]
They decided to repair,
[1:43:36]
renew the present place, and remain in
[1:43:39]
place.
[1:43:40]
>> A time check, sir. You've got You're at
[1:43:42]
four minutes. You got one minute left.
[1:43:44]
>> I I got two minutes more to read.
[1:43:46]
>> No, you got one minute left, sir. Just
[1:43:48]
>> I can't do it. One minute. I'll do my
[1:43:49]
best. Just Just hear me out.
[1:43:51]
>> You got five minutes. You got one
[1:43:52]
minute.
[1:43:52]
>> Decided to repair, renew, and remain in
[1:43:55]
place. They accomplished their goals by
[1:43:58]
spending a total of 6 million on a
[1:44:02]
project that was on time and on budget, How? By staying in place,
[1:44:09]
they avoided the prohibitive cost, as in
[1:44:11]
the case of Cohass's proposal of
[1:44:14]
repurposing an existing building and
[1:44:17]
having to meet all of today's code for
[1:44:20]
police headquarters. Their tactic, do
[1:44:23]
nothing to the existing structure that
[1:44:25]
forces the new building code
[1:44:27]
requirements.
[1:44:29]
Avoid structural changes that would
[1:44:30]
exceed the threshold requiring new
[1:44:33]
building code requirements. Thus,
[1:44:35]
avoiding such headaches as a full fire
[1:44:37]
suppression.
[1:44:38]
>> Sir, you now are at five. I'm
[1:44:39]
>> not finished. Sir, you every citizen has
[1:44:43]
five minutes. I'm going to have to ask
[1:44:44]
you to
[1:44:45]
>> one more minute. I'm reading slow. I'm
[1:44:47]
>> I'm sorry. Yes,
[1:44:48]
>> please. Yeah. Um,
[1:44:52]
» see. Okay.
[1:44:53]
>> Can you just summarize Can you summarize
[1:44:55]
the remainder, please? Thank you.
[1:44:58]
>> Okay. Sure.
[1:44:58]
>> I I'll finish it for him.
[1:45:00]
>> Very quickly, please. Jennifer Chu, 25
[1:45:03]
Virginia,
[1:45:05]
avoid structural changes that would
[1:45:07]
exceed the threshold requiring new
[1:45:10]
building code requirements, thus
[1:45:12]
avoiding such headaches as a full fire
[1:45:14]
suppression system, a seismic compliant
[1:45:17]
foundation, etc.
[1:45:20]
Their instructions to their architect
[1:45:22]
engineer avoid any changes that cross
[1:45:25]
this threshold. This they did. They have
[1:45:29]
a new facility right in the middle of
[1:45:32]
town where it belongs and something that
[1:45:35]
they believe will serve them for at
[1:45:37]
least another 60 years.
[1:45:41]
Remember, this project does not have to
[1:45:44]
burden us particularly in the bumpy
[1:45:46]
times ahead. Repair, renew, remain in
[1:45:51]
place.
[1:45:52]
>> Thank you.
[1:45:56]
I would like to add um my own commentary
[1:45:59]
to this as well. So, a major concern for
[1:46:03]
me and I've got many uh none of which
[1:46:07]
are the police and I do hope that we can
[1:46:10]
get to a spot sooner rather than later
[1:46:13]
where it is feasible. Perhaps that you
[1:46:16]
do renew repair and remain in place or
[1:46:19]
something different that will meet the
[1:46:22]
needs of all the citizens. The location
[1:46:24]
is absolutely problematic. It's
[1:46:27]
problematic for people with mobility
[1:46:29]
issues, and it's problematic for people
[1:46:32]
entering and exiting regardless of their
[1:46:35]
age.
[1:46:36]
I was passing in front of the new
[1:46:39]
building about a month ago, and there
[1:46:41]
was an officer, I'm not sure which one,
[1:46:44]
but he was in a pickup truck that had
[1:46:46]
lights on that was trying to exit the
[1:46:49]
facility. And the fact of the matter is
[1:46:52]
that about five cars passed without
[1:46:55]
stopping in either direction, not
[1:46:58]
recognizing that he was trying to exit
[1:47:00]
the lot.
[1:47:02]
Additionally, and I know this because my
[1:47:05]
son was in karate at that building,
[1:47:07]
there are huge issues with water
[1:47:10]
freezing and completely turning that
[1:47:13]
particular drive into a an ice sheet at
[1:47:18]
the time when there is extreme weather.
[1:47:23]
Finally, I would like to say that I
[1:47:26]
think it's been extremely problematic on
[1:47:29]
the part of many members of these
[1:47:31]
committees that they have made people
[1:47:33]
that have questions, concerns, or
[1:47:36]
objections feel that they have no right
[1:47:39]
to ask. If you've got information and
[1:47:42]
you're able to share it, then you can
[1:47:44]
bring people on board and get them
[1:47:47]
aligned with what your decision is. But
[1:47:49]
if you yell at them and belittle them,
[1:47:52]
it's not going to help your cause. Thank
[1:47:55]
you.
[1:47:57]
>> Thank you.
[1:47:59]
Uh let's see. I see center here and then
[1:48:02]
back there and then up front. Go ahead.
[1:48:04]
>> Pam Ireland, 66 Nichols Road. Um I have
[1:48:08]
some questions.
[1:48:10]
Number one, I was struck by the comment
[1:48:12]
that there are no comps or no reasonable
[1:48:16]
comps. I found that very confusing. uh
[1:48:18]
particularly with the number of towns
[1:48:20]
nearby including even on 3A where we've
[1:48:24]
had recent construction of public safety
[1:48:26]
buildings and related to that um based
[1:48:30]
on my research the cost for this
[1:48:32]
building at a square foot level is about
[1:48:35]
somewhere between $1300 and $1,400 a
[1:48:38]
square foot and yet Hangingham appears
[1:48:42]
to have only been at about $1,000 a
[1:48:45]
square foot situ. That's not as good a
[1:48:48]
comp because they already own the land
[1:48:50]
and I realize that. But I wonder if you
[1:48:52]
could clarify the difference in the cost
[1:48:55]
per square foot.
[1:48:57]
>> I think that the cost per square foot is
[1:49:00]
comparable in all of the buildings
[1:49:01]
you've seen uh built around in the last
[1:49:04]
uh few years. It is in the thousandish
[1:49:07]
dollar range. Uh that's what it is
[1:49:10]
today. There's no way to get around
[1:49:11]
that. It's very difficult to compare to
[1:49:14]
other towns and what they've built and
[1:49:16]
why because every police department
[1:49:18]
operates differently. Every town is
[1:49:20]
different. There are towns that people
[1:49:23]
have suggested we should take a look at
[1:49:25]
for benchmarking which we did. And we
[1:49:27]
find things like they don't have a
[1:49:29]
commuter rail. They don't have a state
[1:49:30]
park. They don't they don't have um a
[1:49:33]
local school district. They have a
[1:49:35]
regional school district. They don't
[1:49:36]
have a harbor. So there is a very
[1:49:39]
difficult problem in trying to benchmark
[1:49:41]
what other towns have spent and the size
[1:49:43]
of the buildings they have um
[1:49:45]
constructed. So we think uh ours is
[1:49:47]
right where it should be costwise
[1:49:49]
comparable to the others and we think
[1:49:51]
that the size and the functionality that
[1:49:53]
we've designed is exactly what our
[1:49:55]
police department needs.
[1:49:59]
>> Thank you Mr. McGowan.
[1:50:01]
>> Yes. Good evening everyone. My name is
[1:50:02]
Bill McGowan 29 Fernway. Uh this is the
[1:50:06]
first time in my 35 years in this town
[1:50:08]
to speak other than as a sewer
[1:50:10]
commissioner. Uh I feel strongly about
[1:50:13]
this project. Um unfortunately I'm also
[1:50:16]
in the building industry and do things
[1:50:18]
internationally.
[1:50:20]
And I see this type of debate all the
[1:50:23]
time. I don't care in what country. What
[1:50:25]
I would like to ask you to look at is
[1:50:27]
the fact that the people that have been
[1:50:28]
hired, the experts that have been hired,
[1:50:30]
the architects, the engineers are not
[1:50:32]
doing this for our angst. They're doing
[1:50:34]
this for the benefit of the town and
[1:50:36]
sometimes that gets it gets out because
[1:50:38]
you're looking at the money. I also want
[1:50:41]
to mention that probably a lot of you
[1:50:43]
here I for one and had a family member
[1:50:47]
who was in need of the services of the
[1:50:49]
police and the fire about a year and a
[1:50:51]
half ago, two years ago. And I was
[1:50:54]
absolutely amazed that the police were
[1:50:56]
at my front door within two and a half
[1:50:59]
to three minutes. even more amazed. Two
[1:51:02]
minutes after that was an ambulance.
[1:51:04]
Thankfully, we didn't need the services
[1:51:07]
at that time. Uh but they were there.
[1:51:11]
I think we have to look beyond cost at
[1:51:14]
this point because we can kick this can
[1:51:16]
down the road. We can do everything we
[1:51:17]
want with that can, but at some point in
[1:51:20]
time, we have to pick it up and use it.
[1:51:23]
And I think we should look at what the
[1:51:24]
benefits are and vote yes for this. As I
[1:51:28]
see it, it is a no choice, no problem
[1:51:30]
situation. Thank you very much.
[1:51:33]
>> Thank you.
[1:51:39]
Mr. Moderator. Thank you for
[1:51:40]
your years of service to our community.
[1:51:41]
Uh my name is Craig Mlen. I reside at 8
[1:51:44]
Rustic Drive. I move to question.
[1:51:47]
Um we've have a motion to move the
[1:51:49]
question. I'd actually seen Miss Jenkins
[1:51:51]
up here, so I will recognize her and
[1:51:52]
then we will proceed to Mr. Mlullen's
[1:51:55]
motion to stop debate.
[1:51:57]
Leonor Jenkins, 198 Jerusalem Road. I've
[1:52:00]
been listening to questions about
[1:52:02]
traffic in that area and since they have
[1:52:05]
started the construction of that brand
[1:52:07]
new storage facility right next door,
[1:52:10]
I'm wondering has there been any
[1:52:12]
accommodation thought of of how that's
[1:52:14]
going to be handled with the traffic
[1:52:15]
situation?
[1:52:18]
» I'm not sure I understand your question.
[1:52:22]
>> Well, you know where the storage
[1:52:23]
facility is, right, Glenn?
[1:52:25]
>> Indeed, I do. Indeed. You know, so we
[1:52:26]
have the traffic coming out from the
[1:52:29]
apartments
[1:52:31]
and then we're going to have the traffic
[1:52:33]
coming out from the storage facility to
[1:52:37]
also add to congestion in that area. And
[1:52:41]
I know how congested that area is
[1:52:43]
because I'm usually taking that left off
[1:52:46]
of Sawyer Street to go down to the
[1:52:48]
racket club in the morning and it's uh
[1:52:51]
just a mess. So, are we putting in any
[1:52:54]
type of uh traffic signals or something
[1:52:59]
or how, as Miss Chu said, when she saw
[1:53:04]
the police trying to get out, they were
[1:53:06]
having difficulty getting out of that
[1:53:08]
location.
[1:53:10]
>> So, the the traffic volume and traffic
[1:53:13]
counts uh that generally are associated
[1:53:15]
with um storage facilities are low. Uh
[1:53:18]
the Avalon project is there. So that's
[1:53:21]
established. The state uh department of
[1:53:24]
uh DOT mass highway uh has a long range
[1:53:28]
plan which is now out and starting to be
[1:53:30]
formulated that will commence after they
[1:53:33]
finish the work they're doing south of
[1:53:34]
Beachwood Street and it involves the
[1:53:37]
area from Soya Street north on 3A. uh it
[1:53:41]
rearranges the entire traffic flow, the
[1:53:43]
lanes, and one of the considerations
[1:53:45]
that's in part of their planning is
[1:53:47]
traffic uh control signals for this
[1:53:50]
public safety building. We've been in
[1:53:52]
touch with them. There's nothing that
[1:53:53]
can be talked about or done just yet,
[1:53:55]
but it is on the docket. We know about
[1:53:57]
it and uh we'll certainly be
[1:53:58]
participating in whatever those plans
[1:54:00]
are. One of the things that uh you
[1:54:03]
should know is that many times police
[1:54:06]
cruisers uh respond to an incident from
[1:54:09]
their patrol, not not from a base
[1:54:11]
station like the fire department. So the
[1:54:13]
seeming uh frequency of police cars
[1:54:16]
coming out maybe less than you might
[1:54:17]
think.
[1:54:19]
>> Well, thank you very much because I know
[1:54:20]
that has been an issue for several
[1:54:22]
years. People have complained about
[1:54:24]
trying to get onto 3A from Sawyer
[1:54:26]
Street.
[1:54:26]
>> Thank you.
[1:54:27]
very much. So, we've had a
[1:54:29]
motion to move the question there or
[1:54:30]
sec. Is there a second?
[1:54:32]
>> Thank you. The motion has been made.
[1:54:33]
It's seconded. It's not debatable. What
[1:54:35]
that does is if it passes, it will stop
[1:54:37]
debate and then we'll proceed to a vote
[1:54:39]
on the main motion. So, the motion to
[1:54:41]
move the question or stop debate
[1:54:43]
requires twothirds vote for adoption.
[1:54:46]
All those in favor of the motion to stop
[1:54:48]
debate, please signify by saying I.
[1:54:50]
>> I.
[1:54:51]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[1:54:53]
saying nay.
[1:54:54]
>> Nay. The motion passes by the requisite
[1:54:57]
two-thirds vote. So we will now proceed
[1:54:59]
to a vote on the main motion. We'll
[1:55:01]
start with a voice vote. Does require
[1:55:03]
two-thirds vote for adoption.
[1:55:05]
All those in favor of the main motion
[1:55:07]
under article 21, please signify by
[1:55:09]
saying I.
[1:55:10]
>> I.
[1:55:11]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[1:55:13]
saying nay.
[1:55:14]
>> Nay.
[1:55:15]
>> The article did carry with a requisite
[1:55:17]
twothirds majority.
[1:55:27]
Okay, we've got more than seven people
[1:55:29]
doubting my count, which is legit. It's
[1:55:32]
fine to do. Um, so we will proceed to a
[1:55:34]
vote um with their hand ballots. Can I
[1:55:36]
ask the tellers to please take their
[1:55:38]
stations, so don't bother putting your
[1:55:40]
hands up yet. They got to get to their
[1:55:42]
stations. We've got a big big audience,
[1:55:44]
so it's going to take them a while to uh to
[1:55:50]
do the count. So, we're going to get a
[1:55:52]
little arm exercise here.
[1:56:06]
» So, what you're not Don't you don't need
[1:56:08]
to do it yet, but when you're going to
[1:56:09]
be voting, hold up your pink card.
[1:56:12]
Little the little pink slip of paper.
[1:56:25]
Debbie and Michael, you guys find your
[1:56:26]
tape.
[1:56:31]
Okay. Um All right. All those in favor,
[1:56:35]
please hold up your slip of paper. Hold
[1:56:37]
it up tall. Got a lot of counting to do.
[1:56:40]
And just leave it up in the air, please,
[1:56:41]
for us all.
[1:57:32]
Please keep your hands up.
[1:57:49]
Debbie and Michael, which one of you is
[1:57:50]
counting that section?
[1:57:56]
» All right, keep going, please.
[1:58:03]
» Okay, teller's all good. Look at me,
[1:58:05]
please. Teller's all good. Thank you,
[1:58:08]
Debbie and Michael. You guys good?
[1:58:12]
>> Yes.
[1:58:13]
>> Okay. All right. You hands down, please.
[1:58:17]
>> All right. Stay at your stations,
[1:58:18]
please. Write down the count and then
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stay at your stations.
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Okay. All those opposed, please hold
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your hand up. Pink slip. Please hold
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them up high.
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Okay, Debbie and Michael, you guys good?
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>> Yes.
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>> Okay, you can put your hands down. Thank
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you. Give me a little bit of time. We'll
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do the count, please.
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Okay, the count is in favor 293
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opposed 129. That is the requisite
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twothirds vote. So the motion passes.
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Thank you. We will proceed to article
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22,
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resolution for the town of Cohasset's
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municipal services to reach 50% net zero
[2:02:01]
greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and
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100% by 2050.
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May I have a motion in the form
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distributed to the meeting?
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>> Thank you. May I have a second?
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>> Thank you. The motion has been made and
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seconded. Does require majority vote for
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adoption for the alternative.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Uh, alternative energy committee.
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» Okay. Um,
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good evening. Um, I'm Debbie Cook. I'm a
[2:02:32]
vice chair of the Alternative Energy
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Committee. I live at 281 King Street and
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we're here to talk about um a
[2:02:40]
non-binding resolution um for the town's
[2:02:44]
um just the municipal side including the
[2:02:47]
schools. Um that basically the
[2:02:51]
resolution will support this um a
[2:02:55]
commitment by the town to reach 50%
[2:02:58]
greenhouse gas reduction by 2030 and
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100% net zero greenhouse gas reduction
[2:03:05]
by 2050
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and approving this is good governance.
[2:03:12]
Since 2020 carbon reduction goals have
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been codified.
[2:03:17]
The state has mandated that towns reach
[2:03:20]
these greenhouse gas goals.
[2:03:23]
So, as you can see, there was in 2020 a
[2:03:26]
decarbonization road map and in 2025 it
[2:03:30]
was made state law.
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Um so the state the state's um uh
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codified greenhouse gas emissions
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reduction is based on 1990 uh greenhouse
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gas emissions for every town and um so basically we would have to do 30%
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um by um I mean 50% by 2030 and uh 100%
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by 2050.
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So right now actually just as a point of
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fact um our greenhouse gas emissions in
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coacassid have increased in the last
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eight years by 3%. We've gone from 77
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metric tons to 80,000
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77,000 metric tons to 88,000 to 80,000
[2:04:28]
in 2025. So we're kind of going in the
[2:04:31]
wrong way.
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Okay.
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So, um as you can see the secretary
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um has established programs to reduce
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emissions of greenhouse gases and the
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important thing is uh to promulgate
[2:05:00]
greenhouse gas uh regulations. So we
[2:05:05]
have to be prepared um to to address
[2:05:08]
those and that's what this resolution
[2:05:11]
will start us on the road to do. It's
[2:05:14]
good governance to get ahead of what's in store for us.
[2:05:26]
So um so one of the things that they say
[2:05:30]
is that we are going to have to um have
[2:05:32]
plans and um so all the municipalities
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will have to be submitting them um and
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uh municipal governments are called for
[2:05:43]
building and transportation projects.
[2:05:49]
So, as you can see,
[2:05:52]
we have state law that we're going to
[2:05:54]
have to comply with, but we also have
[2:05:58]
another side, which is the green
[2:06:00]
community program. The town has been
[2:06:03]
really fortunate to have received over a
[2:06:06]
million dollars from the greenhouse uh
[2:06:09]
from the green community program, but
[2:06:11]
that is we've reached our threshold. So
[2:06:15]
the next step is called climate leaders
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and that's a five-step program. Um this
[2:06:22]
resolution is one of the five steps and
[2:06:26]
um it's actually the third step. So
[2:06:29]
we've already done two of the steps.
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» Just a time check, you're at four
[2:06:36]
minutes, please.
[2:06:40]
So, um, the last thing is, um, I I just
[2:06:43]
wanted to discuss this decision tree
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because I think it's really important.
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If if you go down on the no side, if you
[2:06:51]
don't pass this, um, the town is not
[2:06:54]
going to be eligible for future funding,
[2:06:57]
and we'll have to do what we um, the
[2:07:00]
best we can with volunteer resources.
[2:07:03]
Um, if we do pass this, the town will be
[2:07:07]
eligible for grants and fundings through
[2:07:10]
as we work towards the climate leaders
[2:07:12]
program. We will we can get funding
[2:07:14]
through there, but we also can get
[2:07:17]
technical assistance grants now um
[2:07:20]
without even reaching climate leader
[2:07:22]
status. So, it's very important. Um, as
[2:07:26]
you can see, the it's non-binding. It
[2:07:29]
doesn't require the town to spend any
[2:07:31]
money at this point. It is just allowing
[2:07:35]
the town to go forward and make plans.
[2:07:39]
>> Thank you.
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» Questions?
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>> The select board has recommended
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approval by a vote of four to zero. And
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actually, I don't have the the advisory
[2:07:52]
committee was going to be give a
[2:07:53]
recommendation at town meeting. Is there
[2:07:55]
somebody from advisory committee that
[2:07:56]
could indicate what your recommendation
[2:07:58]
is?
[2:08:02]
It looks like the advisory committee
[2:08:03]
does not have a recommendation.
[2:08:06]
Is there discussion? Mr. Jenkins,
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>> Leland Jenkins, Jerusalem Road. If we go
[2:08:11]
with zero%
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release, what will it cost the town in uh 2050
[2:08:19]
to get to that point?
[2:08:22]
>> Well,
[2:08:23]
that is that's way out of my wheelhouse.
[2:08:27]
Um I think the the the important thing
[2:08:30]
is is that this is this does not commit
[2:08:33]
us to anything except just agreeing to
[2:08:36]
go forward doing the research. So you
[2:08:41]
know if we if we don't do it we don't um
[2:08:45]
you know qualify for grants to go
[2:08:47]
forward. The next step is to go for a a
[2:08:51]
grant for decarbonization because we
[2:08:54]
want to do a decarbonization plan.
[2:08:58]
>> Thank you, sir. Jay Whitney Howerin, 18
[2:09:01]
Rustic Drive and Cohassid. So, similar
[2:09:04]
to what Mr. Jenkins just said, we're
[2:09:06]
living in a town where we're very keen
[2:09:08]
on cost. What is this going to cost us?
[2:09:11]
Here we are. I think some might think
[2:09:14]
unrealistic green goals decided by the
[2:09:16]
state are going to cost us more money
[2:09:18]
and hamstring the town's ability to run.
[2:09:21]
So, how do we explain that? What are
[2:09:23]
some costs of of voting? No. Do you have
[2:09:26]
any idea?
[2:09:27]
>> You basically, as I said, this is
[2:09:30]
statemandated. So, this is something
[2:09:33]
that we're going to have to address.
[2:09:34]
We'd rather get ahead of it and get the
[2:09:37]
grants than wait for being told what we
[2:09:40]
have to do because that's that it's
[2:09:43]
codified. It's law.
[2:09:45]
>> However, you don't have any idea of
[2:09:47]
cost.
[2:09:49]
>> Not yet. We have to do the plans. We
[2:09:52]
have to do the decarbonization plans.
[2:09:54]
And don't forget this is only on the
[2:09:56]
municipal side right now. And we're
[2:09:58]
already I I want you to know we have an
[2:10:02]
agreement with National Grid right now.
[2:10:04]
We have anou with them. National grid is
[2:10:07]
working with us to decarbonize our plant. And I was on a
[2:10:12]
call with National Grid today and the
[2:10:16]
town hall is going to be 100% electric.
[2:10:19]
So it's really we're really making
[2:10:23]
progress.
[2:10:24]
>> Many of us are we're going green. Many
[2:10:27]
of us. However, the the pace the pace is
[2:10:31]
unrealistic. I think that's we've seen
[2:10:32]
that time and time again. An unrealistic
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uh plan, if you will, that just ends up
[2:10:38]
costing the state more, taxpayers more
[2:10:40]
everywhere. And that's that's the point.
[2:10:42]
So, I think it would be good for you to
[2:10:43]
come back with some costs. For example,
[2:10:45]
right now, what is it costing us to as
[2:10:48]
things are today? 88,000 metric tons,
[2:10:50]
77,000 metric tonses. What is that in
[2:10:53]
dollars and cents, please?
[2:10:55]
>> I'm sorry that it this is to enable us
[2:10:59]
to go forward. We understand that
[2:11:01]
search.
[2:11:02]
>> I think you're asking unrealistic.
[2:11:03]
>> I think we're good. I think you've asked
[2:11:04]
the question.
[2:11:05]
>> Thank you very much.
[2:11:06]
>> Thank you.
[2:11:07]
>> Yes.
[2:11:09]
>> Uh Richard Avery from Siri Drive.
[2:11:14]
Could you explain to us u how we do
[2:11:17]
measurement
[2:11:19]
setting a baseline and then future
[2:11:22]
measurements of did we actually achieve
[2:11:25]
a reduction
[2:11:27]
especially when we're only doing the
[2:11:30]
municipal side of the town and not
[2:11:34]
everything? And does this include
[2:11:36]
vehicles on the road? What do we mean by
[2:11:40]
the municipal side?
[2:11:44]
So the municipal side does include
[2:11:46]
vehicles. It's town-owned vehicles. Um
[2:11:49]
so so basically, you know, um as as far
[2:11:53]
as the calculations go, I think that um
[2:11:58]
they basically know what each
[2:12:02]
um
[2:12:04]
you know, vehicle or or piece of
[2:12:07]
equipment, um generates. I mean, and so if you can replace it, you they can
[2:12:14]
get very specific um um reduction
[2:12:18]
figures.
[2:12:20]
>> And who does the measuring?
[2:12:23]
>> Well, this the state does I I I don't
[2:12:28]
know. We're getting into a little bit
[2:12:31]
into the a complicated area, but the
[2:12:34]
state
[2:12:35]
um v has
[2:12:38]
certain vendors and certain pieces of
[2:12:42]
equipment that they have vetted um and
[2:12:45]
you know, so
[2:12:49]
that's I basically it's it's a
[2:12:53]
combination of the vendor working with
[2:12:55]
the state to to talk about what kind of
[2:12:58]
greenhouse gases the um piece of
[2:13:01]
equipment generates.
[2:13:03]
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. The center
[2:13:07]
uh Steve Wer, 195 Hull Street. I'm also
[2:13:11]
a member of the alternative energy
[2:13:12]
committee. Uh I just thought I'd maybe
[2:13:15]
make a comment about a a question I
[2:13:17]
heard. What can we do to actually
[2:13:19]
advance toward this goal and what it
[2:13:20]
might cost? I want to remind everybody
[2:13:23]
here that we have a wonderful solar
[2:13:26]
array at the transfer station that did
[2:13:29]
not cost Cohassid a penny.
[2:13:32]
Not a penny. And has saved us over a
[2:13:35]
million dollars so far. So this is an
[2:13:38]
example of the sort of project we can do
[2:13:40]
which will advance our goal to to net
[2:13:43]
zero. Thank you.
[2:13:48]
» Thank you. Gentleman over here, please.
[2:13:50]
Uh Owenberry, 15 Braftoft Road. I'd like
[2:13:53]
to uh request to move the uh question,
[2:13:55]
please.
[2:13:56]
>> I'm sorry, I won't recognize that yet.
[2:13:58]
We've got two people standing here. So,
[2:13:59]
let's let them talk and then we'll
[2:14:01]
consider that woman in the front here.
[2:14:03]
>> I'm Barbara Russell. I'm also on the
[2:14:04]
alternative energy committee. I live at 11 deep run. Um I just want to
[2:14:09]
clarify a few things to Deb's point.
[2:14:11]
We've already as so we are going up the
[2:14:14]
ladder, right? We were a green community
[2:14:16]
and now we're about to become a climate
[2:14:17]
leader. There are 26 climate leaders in this in the Commonwealth of
[2:14:22]
Massachusetts. Um the pool of funds
[2:14:25]
available to those 26 are almost $20
[2:14:28]
million. So we know that in front of us
[2:14:32]
we have $1.6 million of potential
[2:14:35]
funding. We have succeeded in getting
[2:14:37]
over a million dollars in funding um and
[2:14:40]
the climate leaders program. And on the
[2:14:43]
topic of how much is this going to cost
[2:14:44]
us, we have nothing to do with the fact
[2:14:46]
that the state has legislated that we
[2:14:49]
will reduce our carbon footprint by 50%
[2:14:51]
in 2030 and zero by 2050. We have
[2:14:55]
nothing to do with that. But we will
[2:14:56]
comply and we must comply over time.
[2:14:59]
Sitting and twiddling our thumbs is not
[2:15:01]
an option. So why not take advantage of
[2:15:04]
the funding ahead of us and become a
[2:15:06]
climate leader along with the other 26
[2:15:08]
people that are? Thank you.
[2:15:11]
>> Thank you.
[2:15:13]
got the gentleman here and then over
[2:15:15]
here on the side uh Paul Antico 124
[2:15:18]
Atlantic. I just had a quick question
[2:15:20]
for someone that knows absolutely
[2:15:21]
nothing about the state law on this. But
[2:15:23]
you referred to the state law and the
[2:15:25]
regulations that they're mandating. Is
[2:15:27]
that the 50% and 100% at those dates? Is
[2:15:30]
that what the state law is requiring or
[2:15:31]
is this is this separate from what the
[2:15:34]
state law is asking us for?
[2:15:36]
>> Oh, this is to comply with the state
[2:15:38]
law.
[2:15:38]
>> So those those are their mandates. Those
[2:15:40]
are those are figures that the state law
[2:15:42]
has as part of their road map to getting
[2:15:45]
to net zero. They actually have more
[2:15:47]
benchmarks. They have something for 2040
[2:15:50]
and and different benchmarks were
[2:15:52]
supposed to reach, but the two big ones
[2:15:55]
are the 20, you know, the 2030 and the
[2:15:58]
2050. So, we didn't complicate things
[2:16:01]
by, you know, putting in those other
[2:16:03]
benchmarks.
[2:16:04]
>> And and just quickly, I'll sit down
[2:16:05]
after I ask the question. U 2030 is four
[2:16:08]
years away. How far are we from that
[2:16:09]
50%. Thank you.
[2:16:11]
>> Well, we're going the wrong way. I will
[2:16:14]
tell you that.
[2:16:16]
So, no, we that's what we need to find
[2:16:19]
out. That's what the next step is to do
[2:16:22]
this decarbonization roadmap and figure
[2:16:25]
out, you know, how we can how we can get
[2:16:28]
to it. It's not unrealistic. We can do
[2:16:30]
it. I mean this and especially with the
[2:16:34]
resources that National Grid is giving
[2:16:36]
us right now and you know they're
[2:16:39]
working with us they on the police
[2:16:41]
station they've they have a a a whole
[2:16:46]
group that works on on new construction
[2:16:49]
and and so they've been in on the ground
[2:16:51]
floor to make the police station as as um you know effective as it can be.
[2:16:59]
the the one thing is obviously there's
[2:17:01]
certain safety mandates that will you
[2:17:04]
know make things we have to adjust to
[2:17:06]
that but
[2:17:07]
>> okay thank you we got a comment from
[2:17:09]
over here please
[2:17:10]
>> so I'm Jocelyn Dana from 27 King Street
[2:17:14]
and I'm just trying to understand this
[2:17:17]
is a key to get to the money
[2:17:20]
that's available to us to do the
[2:17:22]
research
[2:17:24]
if we are supporting this is that what
[2:17:27]
I'm understanding that this is the key
[2:17:29]
for us to be able to have access. It's
[2:17:31]
not that it's costing us anything. It is
[2:17:33]
for us to be able to have access for
[2:17:35]
that research for things like the solar
[2:17:39]
on the future police station or whether
[2:17:42]
we go with electric buses versus the gas
[2:17:45]
buses that type of thing.
[2:17:48]
So, so this is this is basically yes a
[2:17:52]
step along the way that without this we
[2:17:55]
can't our next step would be the
[2:17:58]
decarbonization roadmap for the
[2:18:01]
municipal side. This will allow us to
[2:18:04]
apply for grants. We not we may not get
[2:18:07]
them but um without this we cannot apply
[2:18:11]
for these grants.
[2:18:12]
>> That seems like no-brainer. Thank you.
[2:18:14]
>> Thank you. Um woman here.
[2:18:19]
>> Yes. Hi uh Mayor Joe Larson 12 Virginia
[2:18:22]
Lane. I mean basically if you would just
[2:18:24]
concentrate on this slide this is an
[2:18:27]
opportunity that you have to it's it's
[2:18:30]
aspirational. It's it shows that this
[2:18:33]
town cares about the decarbonization or
[2:18:36]
reducing our emissions that we're
[2:18:38]
willing to look into that and that that
[2:18:41]
we are willing to take steps and plan to
[2:18:45]
try to reduce our emissions. There's no
[2:18:47]
cost to you. It's an opportunity that
[2:18:49]
the town has to apply for funds. So
[2:18:53]
that's why that non-bounding non-binding
[2:18:57]
phrase releases you from worries about
[2:19:00]
well what's it going to cost? It costs
[2:19:01]
you nothing. All you do is say I'd like
[2:19:04]
to look into that and we care about this
[2:19:07]
issue. We care about the climate issue.
[2:19:09]
That's what you're saying. That's all.
[2:19:11]
Thank you.
[2:19:12]
>> Thank you.
[2:19:16]
Um
[2:19:17]
we we did have a gentleman move the
[2:19:19]
question. If we don't have any more
[2:19:21]
debate, then we don't even need to vote
[2:19:23]
on that. We can just proceed to a vote
[2:19:24]
on the main motion.
[2:19:28]
I don't see any more debate. That's
[2:19:29]
great. Um, let's move to a vote on the
[2:19:32]
main motion. It does require majority
[2:19:34]
vote for adoption. All those in favor of
[2:19:37]
the motion under article 22, please
[2:19:38]
signify by saying I. I.
[2:19:41]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[2:19:43]
saying nay. Nay.
[2:19:45]
>> The most the motion is adopted by the
[2:19:48]
requisite two-thirds vote.
[2:19:56]
Article 23, Storm Water Management bylaw
[2:19:59]
Procedural Changes. May I have a motion
[2:20:01]
in the form distributed to the meeting?
[2:20:03]
Thank you. May I have a second?
[2:20:04]
>> Thank you. The motion has been made and
[2:20:06]
seconded. Requires majority vote for
[2:20:08]
adoption. Um, I will recognize the
[2:20:12]
conservation agent, Charlotte Pesty.
[2:20:26]
Hi guys, how's it going? Uh Charlotte
[2:20:27]
Pactyl, conservation agent. Uh for this
[2:20:29]
stormwater bylaw change, we're proposing
[2:20:31]
to streamline uh single family home
[2:20:34]
projects a little bit more. Uh so
[2:20:35]
basically we're not really changing
[2:20:37]
anything in terms of the administrative
[2:20:38]
procedures. We're just changing for
[2:20:40]
single family home projects in terms of
[2:20:42]
if you're raising rebuilding, building
[2:20:44]
an accessory dwelling unit, a garage. If
[2:20:46]
those projects trigger what's called a
[2:20:48]
full storm water review, which is a land
[2:20:50]
alteration of 5,000 square feet or more,
[2:20:52]
it would normally have to go to the
[2:20:53]
conservation commission for a full
[2:20:55]
review with a public hearing. Um, so for
[2:20:57]
single family home projects that are
[2:20:59]
completely outside wetlands
[2:21:01]
jurisdiction, we would like to make
[2:21:02]
those administrative. This is kind of
[2:21:04]
modeling what Situit already does. uh
[2:21:06]
when Situit has a stormwater project, if
[2:21:08]
it's in wetlands jurisdiction or partly
[2:21:10]
within wetlands jurisdiction, it goes to
[2:21:12]
the conservation commission and if it's
[2:21:13]
outside, it goes to the planning
[2:21:15]
department. So, we were trying to kind
[2:21:16]
of model that a little bit with our
[2:21:18]
procedures to streamline that a little
[2:21:19]
bit more. So, the administrative
[2:21:20]
procedures would still be the same. A
[2:21:22]
butters are notified. The appeal process
[2:21:24]
is the same. So, we'd really just be
[2:21:25]
making those projects outside of
[2:21:27]
wetlands jurisdiction um a little bit
[2:21:28]
quicker in the review process. Thank
[2:21:30]
you.
[2:21:31]
>> Thank you. The select board has
[2:21:34]
recommended approval by a vote of 3 to
[2:21:36]
zero. The advisory committee recommended
[2:21:38]
approval by a vote of 9 to zero. And the
[2:21:40]
conservation commission recommends
[2:21:41]
approval by a vote of four to zero. Is
[2:21:43]
there any discussion?
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We'll proceed to a voice vote. The
[2:21:48]
motion under article 23 does require
[2:21:50]
majority vote for adoption. All those in
[2:21:52]
favor, please signify by saying I.
[2:21:54]
>> I.
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>> All those opposed, please signify by
[2:21:57]
saying nay. The motion is adopted by the
[2:22:00]
requisite two-thirds vote.
[2:22:02]
>> Thank you.
[2:22:05]
>> Article 21, citizens petition noise
[2:22:07]
control bylaw. May I have a motion in
[2:22:10]
the form distributed to the meeting?
[2:22:11]
Thank you. May I have a second? Thank
[2:22:13]
you. The m motion has been made and
[2:22:15]
seconded. Requires majority vote for
[2:22:17]
adoption. I'll recognize on behalf of
[2:22:20]
the petitioner, Mr. Fran Collins.
[2:22:34]
It's missing.
[2:22:39]
Here it is.
[2:22:45]
» Evening. I'm Fran Collins, 404 South
[2:22:47]
Main Street, Cohasset. Um, we have
[2:22:52]
talked to a number of people who are
[2:22:54]
pretty concerned about the amount of
[2:22:55]
noise that we have in town, particularly
[2:22:57]
from gasoline powered leaf blows. And
[2:23:01]
I'd like to uh reacquaint you folks to
[2:23:04]
the
[2:23:06]
noise control bylaw section 170-2. It
[2:23:10]
says, "Whereas excessive sound possesses
[2:23:12]
poses a serious hazard to public health,
[2:23:14]
welfare, safety, and quality of life.
[2:23:16]
And whereas the residents of the town of
[2:23:18]
Cohassid have a right to and should be
[2:23:21]
ensured an environment free of excessive
[2:23:23]
noise that may jeopardize their health,
[2:23:25]
welfare, safety, or degrade their
[2:23:27]
quality of life. And uh under section
[2:23:31]
170-3 section G noise disturbance means
[2:23:35]
any sound which A may disturb or annoy
[2:23:38]
reasonable persons of normal
[2:23:39]
sensitivities.
[2:23:40]
B causes or tends to cause an adverse
[2:23:43]
effect on the public health and welfare
[2:23:45]
and c endangers or injure injures
[2:23:48]
persons or endangers
[2:23:50]
real or personal property. And uh
[2:23:53]
sections 170-5 nose to pardon me. Noise
[2:23:58]
disturbance. I went to the class at
[2:24:00]
public schools. I should be able to read
[2:24:01]
better than this.
[2:24:04]
Noise disturbance prohibited. No person
[2:24:06]
shall make a cause to be made any noise
[2:24:08]
disturbance. It shall be unlawful for
[2:24:10]
any person to create
[2:24:13]
assist in creating cause or suffer allow
[2:24:16]
any excessive unnecessary loud unusual
[2:24:18]
noise which either annoys disturbs
[2:24:20]
injures or endangers the reasonable
[2:24:22]
quiet comfort repose or health safety of
[2:24:25]
others. That's a whole lot of words. The
[2:24:29]
uh the issue we have is that most of the
[2:24:35]
people whose businesses taking care of
[2:24:37]
lawns,
[2:24:40]
landscaping folks use these high-ower
[2:24:43]
gasoline engine driven lawn blowers,
[2:24:46]
leaf blowers. They make a lot of noise.
[2:24:48]
Thursday, I was leaving my house
[2:24:50]
Thursday morning and there were two
[2:24:52]
people across the street. I had two
[2:24:54]
blowers going at the same time. They
[2:24:56]
were as far away as me to the bleachers.
[2:24:58]
I have a decel meter in my telephone and
[2:25:01]
it came in at 197 dec.
[2:25:05]
Two weeks ago, I was driving down Border
[2:25:07]
Street.
[2:25:09]
>> Sorry, there we go. Two weeks ago, I was
[2:25:12]
driving down Border Street and uh I saw
[2:25:14]
two two other fellows with the with the
[2:25:16]
leaf blowers. So, I turned the truck
[2:25:18]
around and went back and across the
[2:25:19]
street and they were their truck was
[2:25:21]
between them and the house that they
[2:25:23]
were working on and I got 185 dB. That's
[2:25:26]
a lot of noise. That's a lot of noise.
[2:25:29]
85 dB of the A scale. That's a scale is
[2:25:32]
the human range of hearing.
[2:25:36]
Um,
[2:25:38]
eight hours of that a day is hazardous.
[2:25:41]
100 dBA more than 15 minutes a day,
[2:25:45]
permanent hearing loss. 10 110 dBA.
[2:25:48]
>> Just to time check for, you're at three
[2:25:50]
minutes, so you've got about two minutes
[2:25:51]
left.
[2:25:51]
>> Right, Dandy? I'll move right along. Um
[2:25:54]
any noise exceeding 70 dBA is excessive.
[2:25:59]
Many folks who have lawn services are
[2:26:01]
not home when the noise happens. Now
[2:26:04]
frequently in my neighborhood I have
[2:26:06]
immediately seven houses, five of them
[2:26:08]
have lawn services. Sometimes there as
[2:26:10]
many as two and four blowers going at
[2:26:12]
the same time. You can't stay outside
[2:26:15]
with all that noises going. And it's
[2:26:16]
seven days a week this time of the year.
[2:26:18]
I spoke with several people who supply
[2:26:22]
lawn equipment and uh and was kind of
[2:26:25]
surprised that they said, you know, you
[2:26:27]
really don't need these big powerful
[2:26:28]
blowers in the summertime. You just need
[2:26:30]
a small handheld electric blower that
[2:26:33]
can blow the grass clippings off
[2:26:34]
sidewalks and driveways and whatnot. We
[2:26:36]
don't need to blow every square inch of
[2:26:38]
somebody's yard to get the uh loose
[2:26:42]
grass clippings off. So, when I put the
[2:26:46]
uh How am I doing?
[2:26:49]
>> Got about a minute.
[2:26:50]
>> Good. When I when I put the proposal out
[2:26:53]
to the town attorney and she looked at
[2:26:56]
it, she said, "Son of a gun." You know,
[2:26:57]
I'm trying to work from home and I had
[2:26:59]
the window open and I had to shut it up
[2:27:00]
because the lawn blowers were making so
[2:27:02]
much noise I couldn't hear myself think.
[2:27:05]
So, I've lived my whole life with noise.
[2:27:07]
I've worked with machinery all my life.
[2:27:09]
I understand what noise is. I suffer
[2:27:10]
here from hearing loss. And uh but I
[2:27:12]
when I'm home now I like to have some
[2:27:14]
peace and quiet and if we have electric
[2:27:16]
blowers that would be a wonderful thing.
[2:27:19]
Now initially we wanted to ban them
[2:27:21]
totally. We rethought that they do you
[2:27:24]
do need these big blowers in the fall to
[2:27:26]
when all the leaves are out. We do need
[2:27:29]
blowers in the spring for clean up. So we decided that let's go from May
[2:27:34]
15th to September 15th. There are 11
[2:27:37]
towns in the state that have b have
[2:27:39]
forbidden them. Three of those towns,
[2:27:42]
two of those towns have the the seasonal
[2:27:44]
ban that I just mentioned. So, I think
[2:27:47]
that for our peace and tranquility, we
[2:27:49]
need to get rid of these high-powered
[2:27:51]
gasoline engines. And on top of that,
[2:27:53]
they're terrible. They're terrible
[2:27:55]
polluters. We just heard about
[2:27:56]
decarbonization.
[2:27:59]
One of these leaf blowers for an hour is
[2:28:01]
the same thing as driving your truck a
[2:28:04]
thousand miles. It's just it's it's
[2:28:06]
ridiculous. So I don't like to uh cause
[2:28:09]
any hardship in anybody but uh excuse me
[2:28:13]
but um it's time to do something with
[2:28:15]
all this noise. We don't have to have
[2:28:16]
it's not necessary. The uh what other
[2:28:20]
point was I going to make?
[2:28:22]
>> Yeah.
[2:28:23]
>> And regardless of what they say,
[2:28:25]
electric machines are substantially
[2:28:27]
quiet by about 35 to 40 dB.
[2:28:31]
That's pretty much a a uh an overview of
[2:28:35]
what we have. Oh, Home Depot says that
[2:28:37]
by 28 2028, 80% of all yard and garden
[2:28:41]
equipment will be battery powered.
[2:28:43]
That's an interesting fact. I just got
[2:28:45]
that today. So,
[2:28:47]
I hope you'll give it some serious
[2:28:49]
thought. Let's have some peace and quiet
[2:28:52]
and uh we'll all be happy.
[2:29:01]
The select board has voted recommending
[2:29:04]
against adoption by a vote of four to
[2:29:06]
zero. For the advisory committee, I'll
[2:29:09]
recognize Mike Barkley.
[2:29:22]
Uh, good evening. Mike Barklay, 100 Elm
[2:29:24]
Street on behalf of the advisory
[2:29:26]
committee. Uh the current bylaw that we
[2:29:29]
have in place was passed two years ago.
[2:29:32]
Um before that was uh brought to the
[2:29:36]
town meeting, we spent a lot of time
[2:29:38]
studying similar noise bylaws in other
[2:29:41]
towns. And you know the goal, no one
[2:29:45]
likes noise. No one likes it. No one
[2:29:47]
wants it. And when we uh put forth that
[2:29:51]
article that was approved here, we
[2:29:55]
thought it was really important to
[2:29:56]
strike a balance. We wanted to make sure
[2:29:59]
that there were guard rails around what
[2:30:02]
times people could use equipment,
[2:30:04]
contractors could use equipment, uh
[2:30:07]
fines were put in place in the event
[2:30:09]
that um the rules were not followed. And
[2:30:13]
you know again we wanted to make this
[2:30:14]
balance so that there were some uh
[2:30:16]
because there was no bylaw in place for
[2:30:18]
the whole town before that and we wanted
[2:30:21]
to strike a balance where there were
[2:30:23]
some some definite guard rails in place
[2:30:26]
around time. Uh the the police are in
[2:30:30]
charge of enforcing this and we also
[2:30:32]
didn't want the police to be necessarily
[2:30:35]
running from property to property
[2:30:37]
measuring decibb and things like that.
[2:30:40]
Uh, we also wanted to make sure that part of that balance was that we
[2:30:45]
weren't telling all of you what you had
[2:30:47]
to do with your lawn equipment. Um, I
[2:30:50]
mean, I have an electric mower. Doesn't
[2:30:53]
work very well, truthfully. But, you
[2:30:55]
know, I don't have to put gas in it.
[2:30:57]
That's my own thing. But um you know in putting together the bylaw a couple
[2:31:02]
of years ago we did not want to you know
[2:31:05]
promulgate that you had to have electric
[2:31:09]
equipment. That's a choice. And you know
[2:31:12]
some of the you know I know there was a
[2:31:14]
handout um you know for instance with
[2:31:16]
some costs in it. Um actually you can
[2:31:18]
get a lawn mower for under $300 at Home
[2:31:21]
Depot or Lowe's a gas powered one. And
[2:31:24]
so, um, you know, I had the opportunity
[2:31:27]
to speak with, uh, with Fran, had
[2:31:30]
tremendous respect for him. Uh, we had
[2:31:32]
to agree to disagree, which happens in
[2:31:35]
good politics. Um, but I respect his
[2:31:37]
opinion. But in this case, um, we have a
[2:31:42]
bylaw in place. It makes it's a common
[2:31:44]
sense approach to controlling excessive
[2:31:47]
noise in our town that gives the police
[2:31:50]
some tools to enforce that when people
[2:31:53]
do not abide by those guidelines. And um
[2:31:58]
you know again we uh are called to vote
[2:32:01]
on article 24 in the form that it's been
[2:32:04]
presented to town meeting as well. And
[2:32:07]
so the vote that we have is based on the
[2:32:11]
language that's in the warrant right
[2:32:13]
now. And so as you're thinking about
[2:32:16]
whatever side you want to come out on
[2:32:17]
this, um that's what you're voting on.
[2:32:19]
So we we have a a bylaw in place. Um you
[2:32:23]
know, again, uh like any bylaw, it's not
[2:32:26]
going to contemplate every future event.
[2:32:29]
Um, but we also have to be careful about
[2:32:32]
uh what kind of, you know, uh, rabbit
[2:32:34]
holes we go down in in that. You know,
[2:32:36]
we're talking about leaf blowers and and
[2:32:38]
line trimmers now. Um, you know, I don't know if snow blowers come
[2:32:44]
in electric, but I don't think one would
[2:32:46]
have worked very well this winter. So,
[2:32:49]
you know, we we voted against this um
[2:32:51]
the advisory committee because there is
[2:32:54]
a a new bylaw that was put in place two
[2:32:57]
years ago that we believe struck the
[2:33:00]
appropriate balance between, you know,
[2:33:02]
noise, limiting noise at times of the
[2:33:06]
day that contractors should not be
[2:33:08]
working, but was not an overreach and
[2:33:11]
prescribed to people what they should be
[2:33:13]
doing and what kind of equipment they
[2:33:15]
should be mowing their lawns with or or
[2:33:19]
blowing their leaves. So, thank you.
[2:33:23]
>> Thank you.
[2:33:25]
>> Uh Mr. Wilcox,
[2:33:27]
>> uh Mark Wilcox, 26 Parker A. So,
[2:33:30]
balance. Balance is the key here. Five
[2:33:33]
months a year, five summer months where
[2:33:34]
your windows are open, we're asking that
[2:33:36]
we not use gasoline powered leaf
[2:33:39]
blowers. Nothing to do with lawn
[2:33:41]
tractors, nothing to do with chainsaws
[2:33:44]
or all any any of the other stuff.
[2:33:47]
We're looking for a May 25th 27
[2:33:50]
implement I'm sorry May 15th 27th 27th
[2:33:53]
implementation. So we have a year to to
[2:33:55]
get our arms around this.
[2:33:58]
We understand the spring cleanups are
[2:34:00]
heavy duty. You got the heavy duty
[2:34:02]
machines and you got to do that and
[2:34:03]
that's where where Fran talked about,
[2:34:04]
you know, we needed to to back off from
[2:34:06]
a a complete ban on this thing. And we
[2:34:08]
also know that fall cleanup needs needs
[2:34:10]
a lot of labels.
[2:34:13]
>> Thank you.
[2:34:18]
Mr. Dunn.
[2:34:19]
>> Oh, sorry. She goes first.
[2:34:23]
>> Funny. Miss Dunn.
[2:34:25]
>> Elizabeth Dunn, 21 Beach Street. Um I
[2:34:28]
think this is a um
[2:34:31]
article or an amendment to a bylaw that
[2:34:34]
um the bylaw is very very broad. We in
[2:34:38]
fact allow um noise seven days a week in
[2:34:43]
Cohassid from 7 a.m. to 700 p.m. The
[2:34:46]
bylaw has nothing in it that is actually
[2:34:50]
um measurable. And I mean we don't
[2:34:52]
expect that anybody would be enforcing a
[2:34:54]
bylaw with actually measuring decibb.
[2:34:58]
But um the the count is um actually 16
[2:35:04]
towns in Massachusetts. I'm not sure
[2:35:07]
we're that different than any of those
[2:35:09]
towns and over a 100 municipalities
[2:35:12]
in cities and um all in 27 states. We
[2:35:18]
have states that are as diverse as
[2:35:20]
Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado,
[2:35:23]
California that all have some kind of
[2:35:27]
restriction or complete ban on gas
[2:35:30]
powered um leaf blowers.
[2:35:33]
The public health health data is
[2:35:35]
incredibly compelling. The WH recommends
[2:35:38]
a level of less than 55 dB for hearing
[2:35:42]
preservation and an NIH states that
[2:35:45]
exposure of greater than 85 dB can
[2:35:49]
result in permanent hearing loss. The
[2:35:52]
average decibel level is 100 dB,
[2:35:55]
somewhere between 80 and 110. when you
[2:35:58]
add two or three folks blowing, you're
[2:36:04]
talking about 400 decibel levels. I
[2:36:07]
think that um the time has come that we
[2:36:10]
move forward. As Fran mentioned, this is
[2:36:13]
coming whether we like it or not. Uh
[2:36:16]
Lowe's is currently
[2:36:19]
selling 60% of their lawn equipment is
[2:36:23]
gas uh rather um electric powered. So, I
[2:36:27]
just think it's it's common sense. It's
[2:36:30]
a ban that is simply in the summer. Um,
[2:36:34]
and there's all sorts of different uh
[2:36:36]
ways communities have addressed that,
[2:36:38]
but they're all addressing it. Thank
[2:36:40]
you.
[2:36:41]
>> Thank you, gentlemen here in the center.
[2:36:46]
>> Dan Ley 215 down. I'll get him and then
[2:36:49]
I got gentleman here and then you Mark
[2:36:51]
>> Dan Ley 215 forest.
[2:36:55]
Um, respectfully, if we're going to
[2:36:57]
listen to Lowe's and uh Home Depot,
[2:36:59]
there's no need for this at all cuz
[2:37:01]
they've projected we're all going to buy
[2:37:03]
electric anyway. Um, I would take it
[2:37:06]
from a a pure practical standpoint.
[2:37:09]
Um, I still do my own lawn. My neighbors
[2:37:13]
next door to me on either side across
[2:37:16]
the street, they do their own lawn. They
[2:37:18]
use ride-on mowers that are as loud as
[2:37:22]
any weed whack you can get. I own a
[2:37:25]
electric weed whacker. It's as good as
[2:37:29]
any gas power, but I have two very good,
[2:37:33]
fairly new weed whackers as well because
[2:37:35]
I have children who like to help out
[2:37:37]
their old father. I also bought a
[2:37:42]
uh blower and leaf blower
[2:37:47]
because I have 28 trees on my lot and
[2:37:50]
they're mostly old oaks. And around
[2:37:53]
November 15th, they decide to start
[2:37:55]
coming down just as we're getting ready
[2:37:57]
for snow.
[2:37:59]
The electric leaf blower is a waste of
[2:38:02]
time. I used it twice and took it back
[2:38:05]
to Lowe's. And I was told at the time,
[2:38:09]
and it's all hairs. This is all hearsay
[2:38:12]
that we're being uh presented. The guy
[2:38:15]
said to me, "You are the third uh
[2:38:18]
customer bringing back his electric leaf
[2:38:21]
blower today." So maybe it was the
[2:38:24]
brand. I don't know. But I'd take it
[2:38:26]
from a practical standpoint. We all have
[2:38:28]
gas powered devices. This is forcing us
[2:38:31]
all to either uh use them only outside
[2:38:35]
of these five months that it's here or
[2:38:39]
we have to all go out and get brand new
[2:38:41]
equipment, which is another form of
[2:38:43]
taxation. I live with houses all around
[2:38:46]
me. I am until I saw this article, I was
[2:38:49]
totally unaware there was a news uh no
[2:38:52]
noise pollution issue with any of them.
[2:38:55]
I would recommend we just vote this down
[2:38:57]
and get on with life. Thank you.
[2:39:00]
>> Thank you.
[2:39:04]
» And then you Mark, go ahead.
[2:39:06]
>> Mark Maji, 19 Stanton Road. Um I don't
[2:39:09]
support this, but I have three sort of
[2:39:10]
structural administrative issues with
[2:39:12]
this. The fivemonth ban is not what's
[2:39:15]
listed on the warrant here. That was
[2:39:17]
changed after the warrant was printed.
[2:39:19]
So, we're talking about the five-month
[2:39:20]
ban, but that's not
[2:39:22]
>> correct. That's with at the beginning of
[2:39:23]
the meeting, I explained the difference
[2:39:24]
between the motions printed in the
[2:39:26]
packet and the warrant. Correct. So,
[2:39:27]
this is narrower than what was presented
[2:39:29]
in the warrant. It's within the scope.
[2:39:30]
>> What was debated by the advisory
[2:39:32]
committee and the select board?
[2:39:34]
>> I'm sorry, say again.
[2:39:35]
>> What's in the warrant is what was
[2:39:37]
debated by the advisory committee and
[2:39:39]
the select board.
[2:39:40]
>> Okay.
[2:39:40]
>> And voted on. Additionally, and I know
[2:39:42]
we're not supposed to address people's
[2:39:43]
individual uh comments, but it was said
[2:39:46]
this is just for leaf blowers. That's
[2:39:48]
not the case. Line trimmers are
[2:39:49]
explicitly mentioned in the warrant
[2:39:51]
article. Finally, it is a citizen
[2:39:54]
citizens petition for noise control
[2:39:55]
review. The third word is to reduce
[2:39:57]
pollution. So, are we quantifying
[2:39:59]
pollution or noise? I think this is very
[2:40:00]
well-intentioned. I just think from a
[2:40:02]
structural and administrative
[2:40:03]
standpoint, it's a bit of a mess and we
[2:40:05]
should be careful on voting on something
[2:40:06]
like that. Thanks.
[2:40:07]
>> Thank you.
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Uh Mr. Dunn.
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>> Hey, I'm Mark Dunn, Beach Street, uh in
[2:40:17]
Cohassid. So, um you know, you know,
[2:40:20]
some of the uh points that have been uh
[2:40:23]
brought up have to do with private
[2:40:25]
property and my ability to run my
[2:40:29]
property and run my lawn care however I
[2:40:32]
choose, regardless of whether it has an
[2:40:35]
impact on other people. the impact uh
[2:40:38]
the impact that it has on other people
[2:40:40]
can be noise and could be puh pollution
[2:40:44]
and and and a variety of of those of
[2:40:48]
those factors. So if uh you know private
[2:40:53]
property
[2:40:55]
does not mean that you can do anything
[2:40:56]
you want to do. Um, so for example, I
[2:40:59]
can't go home tonight and decide to turn
[2:41:02]
my property into a 7-Eleven or to do
[2:41:05]
something else. Zoning and property
[2:41:08]
rights are restricted and they're
[2:41:11]
restricted for the greater good. Um, so
[2:41:15]
zoning for example, I have industrial
[2:41:18]
zones. industrial zones were uh created
[2:41:23]
uh to isolate impacts whether it's uh
[2:41:26]
noise whether it's pollution whatever it
[2:41:29]
is
[2:41:31]
uh what has happened with leaf blowers
[2:41:33]
is it's kind of a migration of an
[2:41:36]
industrial product to residential use uh
[2:41:40]
and when I say leaf blowers I mean gas
[2:41:42]
leaf lovers with respect to the
[2:41:44]
structure
[2:41:46]
um we agree uh the uh warrant should be
[2:41:50]
amended to take out uh clippers or
[2:41:53]
tremors and that was an oversight. Um
[2:41:57]
and um so uh going you know going
[2:42:00]
forward
[2:42:02]
um you know unreasonable noise imposes
[2:42:07]
costs on other property owners and
[2:42:09]
residents. Um, also I would say property
[2:42:12]
values. Um, your uh use of your property
[2:42:17]
or my use of my property could have a
[2:42:20]
negative impact on the value of your
[2:42:22]
property. Uh, nobody wants to move in
[2:42:24]
next to a hazardous weight waste uh dump
[2:42:28]
or something like that. And so I take,
[2:42:31]
you know, I I respect the advisory
[2:42:33]
committee's uh view. uh but they must
[2:42:36]
not live uh dealing with what we live
[2:42:40]
with every day. It's just absurd the
[2:42:43]
amount of noise uh that is uh is causing
[2:42:47]
us issues. So
[2:42:50]
um you know Cohassid's a highly
[2:42:52]
desirable place. Uh we want to keep it
[2:42:54]
that way.
[2:42:55]
uh this is not the first um community to
[2:42:58]
pass uh this kind of uh restriction and
[2:43:02]
hopefully uh with cooperative help we
[2:43:05]
can do it. Thank you.
[2:43:06]
>> Thank you Mr. Whitney.
[2:43:08]
>> Thank you very much Jay Whitney Harin
[2:43:10]
again of 18 rustic drug. Hey I want
[2:43:13]
green. We all want green. I got a green
[2:43:15]
weed whacker. My new brand new truck is
[2:43:17]
as a hybrid. Uh it all gets back to
[2:43:20]
what's reality. What what is realistic
[2:43:22]
of planning of these things? you know,
[2:43:24]
the noise. I hate the noise. I can't
[2:43:26]
stand it, but it's usually not very long
[2:43:27]
in my neighborhood. That guy does it,
[2:43:29]
that house does it. You know, it's over
[2:43:31]
and then it's my turn to do mine. Um,
[2:43:34]
and we and we kind of go through like
[2:43:35]
that. So, you know, time, place,
[2:43:36]
occasion, so to speak. Um, I also think
[2:43:39]
of the economic impact of the people
[2:43:41]
working very hard in our town mowing our
[2:43:43]
loans and doing these things. What's the
[2:43:45]
impact on these poor businesses? You
[2:43:47]
know, they're going to have to now
[2:43:48]
retrofit, I'm sorry, buy all brand new
[2:43:51]
electric
[2:43:53]
First of all, is it lawnmowers as well?
[2:43:55]
You were saying lawnmowers, but it's but
[2:43:57]
it's blower. It's leaf blowers and weed
[2:44:00]
whackers.
[2:44:01]
>> And weed whackers.
[2:44:03]
>> No weed whackers. Okay.
[2:44:07]
» Let guys.
[2:44:08]
>> Okay. Great.
[2:44:09]
>> Do not address people in the audience.
[2:44:11]
>> Absolutely. Beautiful. So, okay. So, and
[2:44:13]
final point. Is there is there going to
[2:44:15]
be a fine or something if somebody gets
[2:44:16]
caught with their with their gas leaf
[2:44:19]
blower? Is there a fine you're going to
[2:44:20]
be installing? Is that what you'd like
[2:44:21]
to do?
[2:44:25]
» Why don't you tell me? I Why don't you
[2:44:26]
tell us? I don't
[2:44:30]
>> The gentleman asked, "Will there be a
[2:44:31]
finest?" There's one of the proponents
[2:44:32]
who can answer that question. Just brief
[2:44:34]
very briefly.
[2:44:35]
>> Yeah. I just
[2:44:37]
>> I'll have to see if I can pick it up
[2:44:38]
here right now.
[2:44:41]
>> First offense,
[2:44:42]
>> we all want green. What's real?
[2:44:44]
>> Sir,
[2:44:44]
>> you asked a question. Let them answer
[2:44:46]
it. If defense is if this is inserted
[2:44:49]
into the bylaws, yes, there would be a
[2:44:52]
fine. The current bylaws levy f levy
[2:44:55]
fines for non-compliance with the bylaw.
[2:44:58]
>> Okay, thank you. That was the answer.
[2:45:00]
Let's let's take the tone of this
[2:45:01]
discussion down a little bit, please.
[2:45:03]
>> Okay, I've got a gentleman Jay, you're
[2:45:05]
good. I've got a gentleman right here.
[2:45:07]
Then I've got the woman back there.
[2:45:08]
Please, sir. Fred Zodto, 28 Old Coach
[2:45:12]
Road, neighbor of Dan Ley, who is my old
[2:45:14]
boss at Hugo's to see you, Dan.
[2:45:18]
Um, live in the same neighborhood that I
[2:45:20]
grew up in when my parents moved here in
[2:45:22]
1967. It used to be a quiet town. I do
[2:45:26]
not think it is anymore. Um, I work from
[2:45:29]
home. Uh, my mother's 98 years old. I
[2:45:32]
have to constantly shut the windows when
[2:45:33]
the weather's nice. Uh, because of the
[2:45:35]
leaf blowers. I'm an electrical
[2:45:36]
mechanical engineer by training. Um, and
[2:45:40]
I can tell you that when one leaf
[2:45:42]
blower, yes, can be 110 dB, but when two
[2:45:45]
or three operate in unison, they
[2:45:47]
reinforce the sound waves and it
[2:45:50]
resonates. So, you not only get, it's
[2:45:53]
not additive um, as far as 100, 200,
[2:45:56]
300, but you do get that resonance which
[2:46:00]
is extraordinarily much louder. When an
[2:46:03]
A380 Airbus goes over our house, it's
[2:46:07]
less noise than the leaf blowers and
[2:46:09]
that's the largest commercial plane in
[2:46:12]
the world. It's quiet though. Now, the
[2:46:15]
next article is on Wheelright Park. If
[2:46:18]
you don't know, Old Coach Road is
[2:46:20]
adjacent to Wheelright Park and I've
[2:46:21]
been playing in that and taking hikes in
[2:46:23]
that for my entire life. When I go for a
[2:46:26]
hike in Wirwai Park, the leaf blowers,
[2:46:30]
it's 300 acres, but the leaf blowers you
[2:46:34]
can hear from each corner of the park
[2:46:37]
and you can't escape it. It is
[2:46:39]
omniresent when you go for a walk or a
[2:46:43]
hike in Wy Park. So, I would really
[2:46:45]
encourage everybody um this isn't
[2:46:48]
outlawing leaf blowers. certainly not
[2:46:50]
outlawing any other gasoline motor
[2:46:52]
equipment which was intimated by the
[2:46:55]
advisory committee person um which I you
[2:46:58]
know with all due respects it's uh the article reads and I do have five
[2:47:03]
minutes correct sir
[2:47:05]
>> you don't need to use all of it
[2:47:06]
>> oh I know you know that but it's the
[2:47:09]
first time in 61 years that I've spoken
[2:47:13]
at a town meeting so please um the
[2:47:16]
article says just for everybody's
[2:47:18]
clarification
[2:47:20]
moved that the town vote to amend its
[2:47:22]
general bylaws, chapter 170, noise
[2:47:24]
control by amending section 170-6
[2:47:27]
specific activities by adding to the end
[2:47:29]
of this section, quote, notwithstanding
[2:47:32]
the foregoing, gasoline powered leaf
[2:47:34]
blowers and line trimmers are banned
[2:47:37]
between May 15th and September 15th.
[2:47:40]
Period. End quote. And I would like to
[2:47:42]
ask the um the advisory committee we've
[2:47:46]
already heard from, but I'd like to ask
[2:47:48]
the board of selectmen what their
[2:47:51]
rationale was for voting. Um
[2:47:55]
the select board recommended approval by
[2:47:57]
a vote from 0 to 4. So what their
[2:48:00]
rationale was for, if they could
[2:48:02]
illuminate on it, uh for rejecting this
[2:48:05]
particular um article.
[2:48:08]
>> Thank you. Is there anyone from the
[2:48:09]
select board that would like to respond
[2:48:11]
to that?
[2:48:12]
You can go ahead and and sit down, sir.
[2:48:19]
» Hi, Ellen Mar 63 Pasture Road. Uh the select board voted to not recommend
[2:48:24]
this to town meeting floor. We concur
[2:48:26]
with our colleagues on advisory that we
[2:48:28]
already have a noise ordinance bylaw and
[2:48:31]
that this was um forcing choices upon
[2:48:33]
people that they perhaps didn't want to
[2:48:36]
make and and now adding in the time
[2:48:39]
frame into the motion um from the
[2:48:42]
original warrant article um forces
[2:48:44]
people perhaps to have too because it's
[2:48:46]
been it's been declared that um electric
[2:48:51]
powered leaf blowers are not sufficient
[2:48:53]
for fall or spring cleanup. So people
[2:48:55]
could end up having to have two, an
[2:48:56]
electric one for the time period defined
[2:48:59]
in the motion and then a gas powered one
[2:49:02]
for the other seasons. And we just felt
[2:49:04]
it was too uh too oblique the warrant
[2:49:07]
article. We felt we had the noise
[2:49:09]
ordinance um bylaw in place and it was
[2:49:12]
undefined in terms of how it impacts our
[2:49:15]
municipal um facilities team and what
[2:49:18]
they have to do. Do we have to buy all
[2:49:20]
new equipment for our facilities team in
[2:49:22]
season and um also for all the
[2:49:25]
commercial uh landscapers in town?
[2:49:28]
That's not really our concern, the
[2:49:29]
commercial people, but it is it is part
[2:49:32]
of our the fabric of our community.
[2:49:35]
Thank you.
[2:49:35]
>> Thank you.
[2:49:37]
I've got the woman right here. Please,
[2:49:39]
we've got a number of people standing.
[2:49:40]
Um we've been discussing through a bit.
[2:49:43]
Please be sure you're limiting your
[2:49:44]
remarks to new ideas, new new thoughts.
[2:49:47]
Please go ahead. I'm Jocelyn Dana from
[2:49:49]
27 King Street. I just wanted to
[2:49:54]
agree with um that there is a pretty bad
[2:49:57]
sound issue that we have in town
[2:49:59]
specific to blowers and that I do feel
[2:50:03]
that the time frame that's been selected
[2:50:05]
here to have it be available for the
[2:50:08]
leaf time when you need a more powerful
[2:50:12]
unit and including all of the different
[2:50:15]
um service providers for the area so
[2:50:17]
that they have that to do that type of
[2:50:19]
work. I think that's great. I do think
[2:50:21]
this is a really wonderful, smart
[2:50:23]
program for us to be able to lead with
[2:50:27]
within our community that is so very
[2:50:31]
specific and so very measurable and
[2:50:32]
something that we can do for ourselves,
[2:50:35]
for our community. Um, and it
[2:50:38]
environmentally has a positive impact
[2:50:41]
and aligns with what I feel our town is
[2:50:43]
also doing. So, I feel like this would
[2:50:44]
be something that makes sense um from a
[2:50:49]
homeowner who is also bothered by the
[2:50:51]
sounds in the community and also uses
[2:50:54]
both kinds of things and would willingly
[2:50:58]
align with this um and support it for
[2:51:01]
the small businesses that also would be
[2:51:04]
needing to make that transition for our
[2:51:06]
benefit. Thanks,
[2:51:08]
>> Mr. Peace.
[2:51:10]
>> Uh Sam Peas, Three Sanki Road. I'd like
[2:51:12]
to call a question, please.
[2:51:14]
>> Um, motion to call the question. There
[2:51:16]
is the second.
[2:51:18]
>> Thank you. It's not debatable. Um, it
[2:51:20]
requires twothirds vote for adoption. As
[2:51:23]
we saw before, it ceases debate. So, if
[2:51:25]
it passes by a voice vote, then we stop
[2:51:27]
debate. If it doesn't pass, then we
[2:51:29]
continue on our debate. So, it requires
[2:51:31]
two-thirds vote for adoption. All those
[2:51:32]
in favor of stopping debate, please
[2:51:34]
signify by saying I.
[2:51:36]
>> I.
[2:51:36]
>> All those opposed, please signify by
[2:51:38]
saying, "Nay."
[2:51:39]
>> Nay. The motion was passed with the
[2:51:41]
requisite twothirds vote so that we do
[2:51:43]
stop debate and we'll proceed to the
[2:51:45]
vote on the main motion. Motion under
[2:51:47]
article 24 requires majority vote for
[2:51:50]
adoption. All those in favor please
[2:51:52]
signify by saying I.
[2:51:54]
>> I.
[2:51:55]
>> Those opposed, please signify by saying
[2:51:57]
nay.
[2:51:58]
>> Nay.
[2:51:59]
>> That's too close to call. I'll ask the
[2:52:00]
tellers to please take your stations.
[2:52:07]
» They do. Everybody does. I don't know
[2:52:08]
why you guys.
[2:52:11]
move.
[2:52:26]
Okay, we're going to vote by hand as we
[2:52:28]
did last time. Tellers, once the tellers
[2:52:30]
take their stations,
[2:52:39]
Debbie and Michael, if you guys want to
[2:52:41]
ask people to slide over one way or the
[2:52:43]
other to make it clear, please do that.
[2:52:55]
People in the in the bleachers, if you
[2:52:57]
guys could please slide one way or the
[2:52:58]
other as asked by the tellers so that
[2:53:00]
they can see a clear dividing line so we
[2:53:02]
don't have any confusion, that would be
[2:53:03]
great. Please.
[2:53:06]
Great. Thank you. Every teller's good.
[2:53:08]
>> Okay. All those in favor, please hold
[2:53:10]
your uh pink slips of paper up way high.
[2:53:13]
Hold them up high.
[2:53:39]
Keep them up. Keep them up. Keep them
[2:53:41]
up.
[2:53:56]
Okay, teller's good.
[2:53:59]
>> Yes.
[2:54:00]
>> Okay, you can put your hands down for
[2:54:02]
the S's. Okay, now for the nose. Put
[2:54:05]
your hands up high.
[2:54:44]
Keep them up.
[2:54:57]
» Okay. Michael, Debbie, you guys good?
[2:55:00]
>> Okay, you can put your hands down. Thank
[2:55:01]
you.
[2:55:25]
Yeah, that's good.
[2:56:40]
Okay, the tally is in favor 141 opposed
[2:56:45]
145. The motion fails.
[2:56:59]
Uh we'll proceed to motion under article
[2:57:02]
26 25 I mean sorry
[2:57:07]
I have a motion in the form distributed
[2:57:09]
to the meeting.
[2:57:10]
>> Thank you. May I have a second?
[2:57:12]
>> Thank you. Motion has been made and
[2:57:14]
seconded. Requires majority vote for
[2:57:16]
adoption.
[2:57:18]
I'll recognize for the Open Space and
[2:57:20]
Recreation Commission, Adam Norman.
[2:57:23]
>> Hello, my name is Adam Norman. I live at
[2:57:26]
88 Don Street and I'm here to represent
[2:57:29]
the Cohasset Open Space and Recreation
[2:57:31]
Committee. Um, some of you might not be
[2:57:34]
aware that the town is in the middle of
[2:57:35]
a project to construct a 160 foot tall
[2:57:39]
cell phone tower in Wright Park. Um,
[2:57:43]
this motion seeks to preserve the
[2:57:45]
current condition and recreational use
[2:57:47]
of Wheelright Park and ask the select
[2:57:49]
board to pursue alternative location for
[2:57:53]
this cell phone tower. I want to be very
[2:57:56]
clear, we recognize that wireless
[2:57:58]
communication networks are an essential
[2:58:01]
public service, including for emergency
[2:58:04]
response, and let you know that public
[2:58:07]
safety is not the issue here tonight.
[2:58:09]
The issue is that the process
[2:58:12]
uh to select this site and the use of
[2:58:15]
protected open space that was gifted to
[2:58:18]
this town for a very specific purpose
[2:58:21]
and that's recreational use. We see a
[2:58:23]
lot of flaws in that process. So, we're
[2:58:25]
not opposed to a cell phone tower. We
[2:58:27]
just don't want it in our public park.
[2:58:30]
We have a lot of concerns about the lack
[2:58:32]
of due diligence and the incomplete
[2:58:34]
analysis associated with this project.
[2:58:37]
We have not seen a town-led study
[2:58:40]
demonstrating that alternative sites
[2:58:42]
were fully evaluated, nor a clear
[2:58:46]
costbenefit analysis that justifies this
[2:58:48]
specific location in Wright Park. We
[2:58:51]
have repeatedly asked the town to
[2:58:54]
present uh alternative sites, but none
[2:58:57]
have been meaningfully analyzed or
[2:58:59]
shared with us.
[2:59:01]
uh technologies and coverage solutions
[2:59:04]
for cell phone networks are evolving
[2:59:07]
rapidly, but there's been no discussion
[2:59:10]
on whether newer approaches could reduce
[2:59:13]
the need for a tower in this undisturbed
[2:59:16]
open space.
[2:59:18]
This plan for this project requires
[2:59:21]
crossing a culvert uh through the forest
[2:59:24]
a entrance with an intermittent stream.
[2:59:28]
It's going to have to widen the access
[2:59:31]
path in order for maintenance vehicles
[2:59:33]
to access the site, cutting down dozens
[2:59:35]
of trees. And yet, there's been no
[2:59:38]
wildlife impact study.
[2:59:41]
Access to this park is going to be
[2:59:43]
severely disrupted, not just during the
[2:59:46]
construction phase, but well beyond.
[2:59:50]
Um there are potential viable
[2:59:53]
alternatives
[2:59:54]
uh alternative sites but but those have
[2:59:57]
been quickly dismissed.
[2:59:59]
Wheight was selected for its elevation
[3:00:03]
and its proximity to the areas of town
[3:00:06]
that lacks adequate cell phone coverage.
[3:00:09]
We have proposed an alternative location
[3:00:11]
in the recycling transfer facility.
[3:00:15]
um that site in Wheelright has an
[3:00:17]
elevation of of 78 feet above sea level
[3:00:20]
whereas the RTF site has a a higher
[3:00:24]
elevation at 93 feet above sea level.
[3:00:27]
That site ated RTF has already been
[3:00:29]
disturbed and it's only about a thousand
[3:00:31]
yards from the proposed site in Wright
[3:00:33]
Park. So this this alternative site
[3:00:36]
could actually improve coverage by
[3:00:38]
moving it to higher ground.
[3:00:40]
Uh at a recent conservation commission
[3:00:43]
meeting regarding this project, a
[3:00:45]
concern was raised about falling debris
[3:00:47]
damaging the the transfer station solar
[3:00:50]
field. And our concern is that if
[3:00:53]
falling components are a risk from this
[3:00:54]
infrastructure, they're also a risk to
[3:00:57]
hikers who use the forest trails below.
[3:01:01]
The most meaningful differences for the
[3:01:04]
RTF site are uh reduce wetland
[3:01:07]
disturbance, honoring the the original
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intent of the donors of this park, and
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potentially lowering the overall impact
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from this construction.
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And long-term, last thing I'll say is
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longterm, the ramifications of using
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this pro this protected land are
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profound. If this project proceeds as
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proposed, we'll need to ask how do we
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protect the rest of Wheelright Park and
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our other parks and open spaces from
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similar actions in the future. Once we
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set this precedent that donated open
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space can be repurposed without full
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process and appropriate studies, it
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becomes much harder to say no to the
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next time. This motion will give the
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town an opportunity to pause, reassess,
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and pursue alternatives without limiting
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the town's ability to address public
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safety needs.
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Just a second. He's in the middle of
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speaking.
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>> I just have one last closing. You
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>> about 30 seconds, sir.
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>> The the Open Space and Recreation
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Committee is asking the town to oppose
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this project in its current form, not to
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stop cell phone service, but to demand
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transparency, uh, alternatives, and
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respect for the land that's been
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entrusted to us.
[3:02:15]
>> Thank you.
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Mr. Dick. You had a a point of order.
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>> Yes. I'd like to the components.
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» This is on behalf of their proponents.
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The proponent notified me that this
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gentleman was going to speak.
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>> Okay. So, the um the select board has
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recommended against by a vote of four to
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zero. The advisory committee has
[3:02:52]
recommended against by a vote of nine to
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zero. I recognize the gentleman over
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here.
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>> Uh why don't we let the selectman go
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first?
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» I defer to the selectman.
[3:03:06]
>> Okay. Sorry, I didn't realize that
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selectman were going to speak. Go ahead,
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Mr. Farra.
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>> Thank you. David Farog, Select Board, 39
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Beachwood Street.
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The cell phone project was approved by
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town meeting, special town meeting in
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December of 2022.
[3:03:25]
That vote was unanimous. Um, as a part
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of that, the warrant that was sent out
[3:03:31]
to every single home in this town giving
[3:03:34]
everyone notice regarding the project.
[3:03:36]
The article spoke to where the cell
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phone tower was going to be put in
[3:03:41]
Wright Park and it also um uh denoted
[3:03:45]
the land that it was going to be swapped
[3:03:46]
for in the other end of town. That being
[3:03:49]
on Route 3A, the EP Espazito property
[3:03:52]
which the town acquired uh and it
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authorized the town to go forward with
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article 97 legislation to put up the
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cell phone tower.
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Following that with the select board
[3:04:03]
authorized um they went forward to go
[3:04:05]
with article 97 legislation in order to
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um swap and do the cell tower. It was
[3:04:11]
approved by the state legislature both
[3:04:13]
the house and senate. It was approved by
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the governor. It went to the attorney
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general and once all that was done and a
[3:04:20]
request for proposal was put out by the
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town of Cohassid uh to select the cell
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phone um company that would help put up
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the tower. the other and and so right
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now that is being permitted in front of
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the conservation commission and soon to
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be in front of the zoning board as we
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speak. The other locations that are
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spoken of and it doesn't address it in
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the substance of the article. It just
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says to find another location um the
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only other town owned properties in that
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into town that I am aware of is the RTF
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and Wadlay Park. Wad Lake Park is um
[3:04:56]
next to Rocky Beach if you know as you
[3:04:58]
go down Forest A uh to the there and so
[3:05:01]
uh a cell phone tower was uh looked
[3:05:04]
there but again it's in a neighborhood
[3:05:06]
it would be there on Jerusalem road and
[3:05:08]
it would have to be standing over a
[3:05:10]
house which was not uh appropriate and
[3:05:13]
also face the Atlantic Ocean which
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wouldn't be the the greatest when you
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have a noraster the RTF um that keeps
[3:05:20]
being talked about as a potential
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location. We have a capped landfill at
[3:05:25]
the RTF, which everyone should know. Um,
[3:05:27]
when you have a capped landfill,
[3:05:29]
underneath that cap, as the organics
[3:05:32]
break down, it breaks down to methane
[3:05:34]
and carbon dioxide.
[3:05:37]
Um, we have a solar array that's on top
[3:05:39]
of it now, as you were well aware. And
[3:05:42]
the idea that we would be able to drill
[3:05:44]
through that cap to then put a uh cell
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tower in, whoever is jackhammering
[3:05:51]
through that cap better have their life
[3:05:53]
insurance paid because of all the
[3:05:55]
methane gas that's below there. So if
[3:05:57]
there's a spark, that is not going to
[3:05:59]
work out very well. Let alone having a
[3:06:01]
cell tower there. It's lower ele it's a
[3:06:03]
lower elevation than Wheelright Park is.
[3:06:05]
So the RTF is is not an acceptable or or
[3:06:08]
sensible uh approach for this. And
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that's precisely why Willight Park was
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chosen. Um, finally, um, the contract,
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uh, we have a contract with a cell phone
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operator, uh, to to build the tower in
[3:06:22]
Wright Park. Um, if we were to move it
[3:06:24]
somewhere else or try and do that, the
[3:06:26]
town would be in breach of contract with
[3:06:28]
that carrier. Uh, and the town would be
[3:06:30]
on the hook for the consequential
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damages, the architectural renderings,
[3:06:33]
the engineering that they've done up
[3:06:34]
until this point in time. Uh and then
[3:06:36]
finally, um the balloon test, uh we did
[3:06:39]
in Wright Park over a year ago showed
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that you can barely see it above the
[3:06:43]
treetops for where it is. And and uh
[3:06:46]
there's only one small view corridor
[3:06:48]
that in the wintertime uh from the other side of the beach side, you might
[3:06:52]
be able to see a little bit of the
[3:06:54]
tower, but it's it's out of the way. Um,
[3:06:57]
and the final note is that when it comes
[3:06:59]
to cell phone towers and
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telecommunications equipment, it's very
[3:07:03]
common to have them in parks or state
[3:07:05]
parks. In fact, the Commonwealth of
[3:07:07]
Massachusetts puts most their
[3:07:08]
telecommunications equipment on fire
[3:07:10]
towers, uh, which are found all
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throughout the state at the highest
[3:07:13]
elevations. And if you go to the Blue
[3:07:15]
Hills, one of the biggest
[3:07:16]
telecommunications towers or needle that
[3:07:19]
there is, uh, serves most of the radio
[3:07:21]
stations in Boston, including WGBH, NPR,
[3:07:25]
uh, the sports and sports radio and half
[3:07:28]
of the radio stations that you probably
[3:07:29]
all listen to. Uh, your plane, of
[3:07:31]
course, has to go around it when you're
[3:07:32]
coming from the south back to Logan. Uh,
[3:07:34]
but it's pretty common that you would
[3:07:36]
you put these um put this technology in
[3:07:39]
there. So, for all these reasons, um the to put it plainly, the horse has
[3:07:44]
left the barn on this. We're four years
[3:07:47]
into it. We've did what Town Meeting
[3:07:48]
wanted us to do unanimously four years
[3:07:50]
ago, and it's going to be for public
[3:07:52]
safety. And then, of course, we'll have
[3:07:54]
a few other carriers on it as well. So,
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I ask you to vote no on this article.
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Thank you.
[3:08:00]
>> Thank you.
[3:08:02]
>> Let the gentleman here, sir.
[3:08:05]
>> Yes. Fred Zodto, 28 Old Coach Road.
[3:08:07]
Again, thank you for your patience. I
[3:08:09]
know it's late. Um, but this actually is
[3:08:12]
in our neighborhood. Uh, selectman and I
[3:08:15]
guess I wear a few hats. I'm also a
[3:08:17]
master's degree in electrical
[3:08:18]
engineering and I've been working on
[3:08:20]
microcell environments lately for
[3:08:22]
autonomous vehicles. Um, so there are
[3:08:25]
definitely different ways to get around
[3:08:27]
having to put a 160 foot cell tower in a
[3:08:30]
trusted deed property where the Rearwite
[3:08:34]
family will probably roll over in their
[3:08:36]
graves, the ones that ded that trusted
[3:08:39]
it to the town. And it sets, as the uh
[3:08:42]
committee said, the conservation
[3:08:44]
committee, I believe, on my opinion, it
[3:08:46]
sets a very bad precedent for people
[3:08:48]
that leave gifts and trust to the town
[3:08:52]
in their wills. And this was not one.
[3:08:54]
This was four wills from the family.
[3:08:56]
Now, as far as alternative sites, I've
[3:08:58]
heard the RTF. I don't know if anybody's
[3:09:01]
noticed, but there is a for sale sign
[3:09:04]
right across the street from the
[3:09:05]
Wheelwright Park entrance on Forest
[3:09:07]
Avenue for 9 acres of property
[3:09:11]
um to do with you what you will. I would
[3:09:14]
imagine uh we could reszone it or
[3:09:16]
whatever, but it wouldn't be uh
[3:09:18]
violating the trust of the people that
[3:09:20]
put the park up. And I and also with due
[3:09:23]
respect to the selectman, I do not know
[3:09:24]
of a tree that's 160 foot tall in
[3:09:27]
Wheelwright Park. Maybe 80 feet, yes.
[3:09:30]
But 160 feet, no. This will rival the uh
[3:09:34]
windmill, the electric windmill that
[3:09:36]
they were going to put on top of um I
[3:09:38]
think it was Turkey Hill or Bear Hill
[3:09:40]
off of Route 3A. Um which would have
[3:09:42]
been bigger than the one they had in
[3:09:44]
Hull, which is now defunct and fallen
[3:09:47]
down uh t removed. So I ask you know
[3:09:50]
take this even though you've had sunken
[3:09:52]
money in the last four years uh
[3:09:55]
development in electronics in Wi-Fi
[3:09:57]
reception Wi-Fi 6 is here Wi-Fi 7 is
[3:10:00]
coming edge network computing you don't
[3:10:03]
need those huge cell towers anymore in
[3:10:06]
order to get the same coverage. You use
[3:10:08]
a unit called a roadside unit which is
[3:10:10]
about a foot square and you just put
[3:10:12]
them along a few telephone poles up and
[3:10:14]
down the streets. you're gonna even
[3:10:16]
gonna get even better coverage than you
[3:10:18]
would from the 160 cell foot tower which
[3:10:20]
is now old technology for less cost. So
[3:10:24]
I think you could actually if you looked
[3:10:25]
at this you could you could n the
[3:10:27]
project and actually save money. Thank
[3:10:31]
you. Thank you.
[3:10:35]
So I've got a number of people
[3:10:37]
recognized. Gentleman here, woman there,
[3:10:39]
man behind her, women behind him, and
[3:10:40]
then I got a man here. So we've got
[3:10:42]
quite a number. You're you're up. Good
[3:10:45]
evening. Corey Evans, uh 313 North Main
[3:10:47]
Street. Um I was paying attention to
[3:10:50]
this project closely when it was
[3:10:53]
originally proposed because my house
[3:10:55]
looks literally right at where the
[3:10:57]
antenna is. Uh and so
[3:11:01]
I wanted I was curious. So when the
[3:11:03]
balloon was up, I watched from my my
[3:11:06]
house. I walked around the neighborhood.
[3:11:09]
I walked through the park and came to
[3:11:12]
the conclusion that okay, this won't
[3:11:14]
affect me.
[3:11:16]
I paid attention then because I was
[3:11:18]
worried. So I want to share that that
[3:11:23]
this is a location that is going to be
[3:11:26]
hidden from my perspective. The other
[3:11:28]
thing is I'm a frequent runner. I run
[3:11:31]
from my house down forest.
[3:11:34]
I can't make a phone call from certain
[3:11:37]
places. We now I've seen from the school
[3:11:40]
committee side. I've heard from parents
[3:11:42]
who are worried why the bus tracker
[3:11:44]
doesn't work. We lose cell phone
[3:11:46]
coverage.
[3:11:48]
I understand very much the concerns
[3:11:50]
about conservation. I think they're
[3:11:52]
valid. But I do think this is a sensible
[3:11:56]
solution
[3:11:57]
to solve something that anyone who lives
[3:12:00]
on Jerusalem Road Drive or goes to the
[3:12:03]
beach, we can solve this now. And from
[3:12:06]
my perspective years ago, I I think the
[3:12:09]
impact is is quite low. Um, so I do
[3:12:13]
support this, but everyone's got to vote
[3:12:14]
their own way. But from my perspective,
[3:12:16]
this is a good trade-off. Thanks.
[3:12:22]
» Woman there, please.
[3:12:24]
>> Hello, Amy Bernicker, 662 Jerusalem
[3:12:27]
Road. I have poor cell phone service in
[3:12:30]
my neighborhood, but but I am against a
[3:12:33]
cell phone tower in Wilright Park.
[3:12:36]
is a unique special place
[3:12:38]
in Cohasset. I visit frequently and
[3:12:41]
within a moment of stepping in, I feel
[3:12:43]
renewed by the natural quiet
[3:12:45]
environment. I also was stunned to read
[3:12:48]
article 25 which states that the Wright
[3:12:51]
family donated the land as a public park
[3:12:54]
and that the wills expressly state that
[3:12:56]
there be no buildings except for park
[3:12:59]
use and no other construction. So I
[3:13:03]
believe it would be a profound mistake
[3:13:05]
to damage and misuse Wright Park and it
[3:13:08]
would not be justified simply to make
[3:13:10]
better cell phone service. I am not
[3:13:12]
against public safety or a cell phone
[3:13:14]
tower for improved reception, but let's
[3:13:17]
honor the Wright family and look for a
[3:13:20]
more appropriate location for a tower.
[3:13:22]
Thank you.
[3:13:23]
>> Thank you,
[3:13:28]
» sir.
[3:13:30]
Jeremy Deona, 276 North Main Street. I
[3:13:33]
attended the town meeting when Chris
[3:13:35]
Senior spoke about the proposed uh tower
[3:13:37]
on December 12th, 2022 and he would like
[3:13:40]
to enter into the record that
[3:13:42]
approximately the 37th minute. The
[3:13:45]
former town manager Christina stated
[3:13:47]
there's a lot more work that will have
[3:13:48]
to be done and any further action would
[3:13:51]
have to come back to town meeting if we
[3:13:52]
were to lease the land and and the
[3:13:54]
carrier. Town meeting did not vote to
[3:13:57]
approve a cell tower in Whale Park. The
[3:14:00]
town appears to believe that the
[3:14:02]
proposed tower is exempt from planning
[3:14:03]
board review. This is an error that
[3:14:05]
should be corrected. The current design
[3:14:07]
clearly intended for commercial use by
[3:14:10]
carriers such as Verizon T-Mobile and
[3:14:11]
AT&T which removes the town's ability to
[3:14:14]
exempt the site from planning board
[3:14:16]
review. Additionally, a violation has
[3:14:18]
clearly occurred as we as many other
[3:14:21]
abutters and abutters were not notified
[3:14:24]
which is required form a notice. I've
[3:14:26]
attended all subsequent meetings and at
[3:14:29]
no meeting did I and or attendees ever
[3:14:31]
vote to approve a cell tower in Willrate
[3:14:33]
Park. Thank you.
[3:14:35]
>> Thank you.
[3:14:40]
» Woman, please.
[3:14:41]
>> Hi, I'm Jen Madden from 60 Forest AB. Um
[3:14:46]
I walk in Wheight Park often and I just
[3:14:48]
have two questions. Um, as I've been
[3:14:52]
walking in Wheelright Park, I've noticed
[3:14:54]
a lot of tags on the trees. What
[3:14:58]
percentage of the park will be used for
[3:15:02]
the cell phone tower, including access
[3:15:06]
to the cell phone tower? That's my first
[3:15:09]
question. My second question is, our
[3:15:12]
cross country, Cohassid High School
[3:15:14]
cross country team uses Wheelright Park
[3:15:17]
as its raceourse. Will they be affected
[3:15:20]
by this?
[3:15:24]
» So my first question is the percentage
[3:15:25]
of the park. How many trees are we
[3:15:28]
cutting down? Are we creating an access?
[3:15:31]
>> Is there some You may know the answer.
[3:15:33]
>> There's somebody from the select board
[3:15:34]
that could answer the two questions.
[3:15:36]
>> So what percentage of the park is used?
[3:15:39]
I think was the question by the proposed
[3:15:41]
cell tower and
[3:15:43]
>> impact on cross country runners. Uh the
[3:15:45]
project takes up about 6 acres
[3:15:48]
approximately. Wheelright park depending
[3:15:50]
upon how you want to size is between 200
[3:15:52]
and 300 acres. Um and the flags that you
[3:15:55]
might be talking about might be the uh
[3:15:57]
wetland flagging that was done uh for
[3:16:00]
the for the project. Thank you.
[3:16:02]
>> Any I'm sorry that's great response on
[3:16:05]
the question about cross
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>> of land is what they're taking and
[3:16:07]
there's at least 70 trees that are to be
[3:16:10]
felled.
[3:16:16]
At least 70 trees have been earmarked
[3:16:17]
for being felled.
[3:16:19]
>> 30 on the site and then a 40 on the
[3:16:21]
access portion.
[3:16:23]
>> I'm sorry. And what about the AC is
[3:16:25]
there is it necessary that there be some
[3:16:28]
kind of access to the cell phone tower?
[3:16:31]
>> Is it necessary that there be some kind
[3:16:33]
of access to the cell phone tower?
[3:16:43]
Uh the access to the the cell phone
[3:16:45]
tower would be from the forest a side
[3:16:48]
and it would go along the current cart
[3:16:50]
path that is there and then as you go
[3:16:53]
down it you take a left to where the cell phone tower would be
[3:16:56]
located.
[3:16:58]
>> Thank you. Uh let's see. I've got the
[3:17:01]
gentleman here in the front
[3:17:04]
Cycler 30 Ocean Lely.
[3:17:07]
Um, I just need some clarification here.
[3:17:12]
The officials seem to be speaking
[3:17:14]
against this project, but my copy of the
[3:17:20]
proposed motions says that they've
[3:17:23]
recommended approval.
[3:17:27]
» They Yeah, that it was phrased that way.
[3:17:30]
They recommended approval by a vote of
[3:17:31]
zero to four, I think, which is the same
[3:17:33]
thing as recommending disapproval by 40.
[3:17:38]
Thank you. I got the woman over here.
[3:17:41]
>> Hi, uh Carrie Pendolino. I'm at three
[3:17:44]
Jerusalem Lane. Uh yes, myself does not
[3:17:48]
work most of the time. Um but having
[3:17:52]
lived in other communities across the
[3:17:54]
nation, um Fred here talked about the
[3:17:58]
boxes. The boxes actually are the new
[3:18:01]
way of putting to uh sell cell access to
[3:18:06]
it on telephone poles which is a more
[3:18:10]
economical and a more environmental way
[3:18:13]
of actually providing cell phone
[3:18:15]
service. So Fred here is actually right
[3:18:18]
because I have had that in all of the
[3:18:21]
cities that I've lived in. So just to
[3:18:25]
give you a different perspective.
[3:18:28]
» Thank you.
[3:18:31]
>> I've got Mr. Jenkins and Jenkins
[3:18:34]
Jerusalem Road. As Dr. Wood would say,
[3:18:37]
call a question.
[3:18:39]
>> Um okay. So I've actually seen I've got
[3:18:42]
Thank you for that. I've got um four
[3:18:45]
people I think that I've already noted.
[3:18:46]
So we'll let them speak and then we will
[3:18:48]
uh I'll entertain the motion to call the
[3:18:50]
question. So, uh, you're first,
[3:18:53]
>> Peter Pascuri, 12 Linton Lane. Um, as
[3:18:58]
far as cross country, the runners turn
[3:19:00]
left into the Boy Scout camp and take
[3:19:03]
the trail back to the parking lot, so
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they wouldn't be going down to where the
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tower is. Um, I walk in there every day.
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Uh wheel right is is the gem of Cohasset
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and it's already being infringed upon by
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houses that are being built close to the
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trails and one is very close to where
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the Boy Scout encampment is and I don't
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think we should have any more
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encroachment on that beautiful park.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Got the woman here on the right. Uh,
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Marissa Manley, 14 Spin Drift Lane. Uh,
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I moved to Kohasa in 2018, and for those
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that don't know, Spinrift Lane is one
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block up from Black Rockck Beach, um, in
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that sort of dead cell service zone. I
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also sit on the open spaces committee,
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so I'm very close to this project. We've
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been talking about it for the past two
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years. And despite the lackluster cell
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service at my house, I'm very much in
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favor of not having the cell tower in
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Wright Park. Uh in 2018, we had no
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service. Definitely was disconcerting
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when we lost power. In 2026, we now have
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a few bars of service. And I can only
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speak from my own experience, but I feel
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very confident that as technology
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changes and evolves that we will get to
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a place where we will have full cell
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coverage in Cohasset whereas a cell
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tower is a very permanent solution and
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it's a permanent solution that can't be
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undone. It's very destructive to the
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ecosystem in Wright Park and it's a park
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as many have already mentioned that was
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gifted to the town and should be honored
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by those that gifted it. Um the other
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thing I think was kind of glossed over
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that I just want to mention is the land
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swap that was gifted to or what will be
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the trade for this 2acre parcel in
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Wright Park is a swamp. It's a
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completely unused p or un we it cannot
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be a piece of property that can be used
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for any sort of recreation and so for
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that it's not really an equal piece of
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property and the town will actually be
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losing public recreation space.
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>> Thank you.
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I've got the women here at the
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microphone.
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>> Uh Barbara Ren, 44 Black Rock Road. I
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have listened to all the conservation
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hearings and the proposed tower I think
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is 175 feet which is like a 17story
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building and also of note as I think 50
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trees are um some of them very mature
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are going to be marked to take down the
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parking lot's going to be enlarged and
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the cart path uh which is the the
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walking path up to the tower the utility
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companies are asking for a 12-oot
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easement uh enormous cranes 80 800 I
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don't know the the cement trucks that
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are going to have to go up there. That
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path is going to have to be widened and
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altered and I think every quarter um six
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maybe three to six util big utility
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trucks will have to go up to that tower.
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I think the park is going to be
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irrevocably changed. I think that it's
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just a disgrace to the Wright family.
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The park is beautiful. We don't have a
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lot of open space in our town. Um, and
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also when I was listening, I would
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recommend that you all go back and and
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watch the conservation hearings. The
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cell plans are very old. The technology
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has to have improved. There has to be
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something better than a massive tower
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which will have all of those lines
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coming down that the birds can fly into
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there. I think we should pause and the
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technology should be looked at. Um,
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that's pretty much all I have to say.
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Thank you.
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We have had a motion to move
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the question. Is there a second?
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>> Okay. We're going to This is a vote on
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whether we're going to stop debate or
[3:23:18]
not. It's not a vote on the main motion.
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to stop debate does require
[3:23:22]
twothirds vote for adoption. So, all
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those in favor of stopping debate,
[3:23:25]
please signify by saying I.
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>> I.
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>> All those opposed, please signify by
[3:23:30]
saying nay.
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Debate is stopped. That passed
[3:23:33]
unanimously. We'll now proceed to a vote
[3:23:35]
on the main motion. The motion under
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article 25, it requires a majority vote
[3:23:39]
for adoption. All those in favor of the
[3:23:41]
main motion under under article 25,
[3:23:43]
please signify by saying I.
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>> I.
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>> All those opposed, please signify by
[3:23:48]
saying nay.
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>> The motion does pass with the requisite
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majority vote.
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» That that concludes the business in our
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warrant. Thank you for your
[3:24:03]
consideration and respect. May I have a
[3:24:05]
motion to dissolve? Thank you.
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» You serious?
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>> Okay, we we Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. We've got two people at
[3:24:17]
least doubting the count. Are there
[3:24:18]
others that doubt the count? You need
[3:24:20]
seven.
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>> One, two, three, four, five,
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>> six. Is there a seventh?
[3:24:27]
>> Seven. Okay. All right. We're going to
[3:24:28]
have to do a hand count.
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Please sit tight that we're going to
[3:24:35]
have to vote by hand.
[3:24:39]
» Making the tellers work.
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» Okay, we got to we got to get this vote
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done.
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» Okay, all those in favor of the motion
[3:24:57]
under article 25, please hold your
[3:24:59]
little pink slips up.
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Keep your hands up.
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Keep them up. Just a little bit more
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longer, please.
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Okay, write your tallies down, please.
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Okay, tellers, you good? Okay. Uh, all
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those against, please hold your pink
[3:26:20]
slips up, please.
[3:26:37]
Don't please don't leave. The tellers
[3:26:39]
are trying to count. Make don't make
[3:26:40]
life hard for them by moving around,
[3:26:42]
please.
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Okay, you can put your hands down. Thank
[3:26:58]
you.
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I also noticed your hairy
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But it looks like
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» I haven't heard anything.
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I'd be right in front of
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Okay, the tally is uh in favor 199
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opposed 30. It does pass.
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» Um may I have a motion to dissolve?
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>> Thank you. Is there a second? Second.
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>> All those in favor of the motion
[3:28:42]
dissolve, please signify by saying I.
[3:28:45]
>> I.
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>> All those opposed, please signify by
[3:28:47]
saying nay.
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>> The meeting is dissolved.
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>> How are you?
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>> Thank you very much.
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>> This is the first time I've seen you
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with tie.
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>> Thank you.