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The fine is committee, the cuckony board will come the order and the secretary will call.
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Commissioner Aguilar, is absent, Commissioner Naya, Commissioner Britain, Commissioner Decknan,
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absent, Commissioner Gainer is excused, Commissioner Lorry is excused, Commissioner Casco,
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is absent. Commissioner Miller. Miller here. Thank you. Commissioner Moore.
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Is absent. Commissioner Marita. Is absent. Commissioner Kevin Morrison. Thank you, sir. Commissioner
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Sean Morrison. Commissioner Scott. Commissioner Stams. Commissioner Stams is absent, but did
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request remote participation. However, she has not connected. We will mark her as absent.
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Commissioner Trevor.
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Trevor here.
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Thank you.
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Commissioner Vasquez.
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As absent.
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Chairman is President.
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One, two, three.
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Chairman, you do have a quorum.
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Let me revisit those that did not respond.
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There's an absence for Commissioner Aguilar.
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Commissioner Deckman.
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Excuse for Gainer and Larry.
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Absent for Makasco.
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More.
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Marita.
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Stamps and Vasquez.
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You do have a quorum.
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Man, Secretary, any question to the agenda?
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Chairman, you do have an a rata for two items, page six, file number 26, 2 to 0, 8 has a change in the approval date.
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Are we sure?
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Here's Michael.
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Hold on.
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Hold on.
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Hold on.
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Hold on one second.
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Public testimony?
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Good morning.
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I'm Ann Psecitoria and the public speakers.
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Please, you have to measure my read-in in the roll call.
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And we do have a call.
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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Where I left off, we will add her to the roll.
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This is an errada.
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Page six, file number 22, a file number 26, 22, 08.
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There's a change in the date.
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Then page 11 of your agenda, item number 26, 16,
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of seven is also changing the reporting period and adding September of 2026.
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So those are your changes. Are you ready for public speakers?
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All right. Chairman, these are your public speakers. Please be reminded of our public speaking rules.
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you will have three minutes to address the body. Rebecca, Jolie, and then Mary Kay, minigame.
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Then we have walk in for Christine Chung and Jamie Neely. If you are in the room, please
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make your way to the public speaking mic. You have three minutes to address the body, and
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I will keep time for you.
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And please head to Commissioner DeGnan to the roll call.
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Thank you.
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Before you begin, Mark Clements gave us a testimony form,
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but what committee is that forcer?
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What committee is that for?
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You want to speak in finance?
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Thank you. I'll call you in a minute.
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Thank you, please begin.
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Good morning, Chairman DeLion.
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Members of the Finance Committee.
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My name is Mary Kay Minahan.
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And I am here on behalf of both the Women's Instruction Owners and Executives
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and the association of subcontractors and affiliates of Chicago.
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To oppose Commissioner DeGnan's ordinance to impose a 10% penalty for failure to perform.
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As was said last July, construction contracts in Cook County already have ample measures
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to in place to address performance failures.
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Contractors provide a payment and performance bond when bidding on a construction contract.
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This bond ensures that the county has the necessary funds to complete a project should the
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contractor failed to perform.
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County construction contracts also provide for the county to collect liquidated damages against the contractor if the terms of the contractor not met.
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The ordinance will also force contractors to evaluate whether it is worth the risk to bid on county construction contracts.
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Due to this added 10% penalty.
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The ordinance has no provisions to address what constitutes a failure.
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how responsibility will be determined and what happens to the subcontractors who have not been
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involved in the failure. Without such provisions, many contractors will choose to not bid
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county construction contracts as a result of this added risk. We recognize the Commissioner
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The Dagnon has agreed.
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To hold this ordinance today, but until this ordinance addresses the concerns raised by ASA Chicago
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or WCOE, we remain opposed. Thank you.
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So, if you have this committee on in teams or your phone, please disconnect it, let's try it again.
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Start over.
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Start over.
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Good morning to Chairman Daley and members of the Finance Committee.
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My name is Al-Natayo and I serve as the Senior Director of Strategy and External Affairs for Hasea.
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Hasea is a county-recognized assist agency representing hundreds of minority and women on construction and professional services businesses.
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Since 1979, we have worked in partnership with agencies such as Cook County Government to build
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an equitable contracting ecosystem through DBE, MBE, WBE certification, capacity building programs
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and accessible procurement advocacy. We acknowledge the decision to defer ordinance 261514.
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However, Hasea opposes this ordinance entirely. This proposed change is structurally harmful to
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small and diverse business Cook County has committed to support.
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The county has substantial avenues already in place that it can leverage, and robust remedies
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for vendor non-performance, which makes this ordinance redundant.
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The construction industry and related industries face ages proportionate and unique burden,
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there warrants an express carve out, regardless of how the ordinance is otherwise revised.
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The ordinance premise that the county lacks tools to address the performance is not accurate.
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Cook County construction contracts already include performance payments, maintenance, and payment bonds.
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Retainage, which contracts already withhold payment throughout the project term as a proportional performance incentive.
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Default cure and termination. Standard general conditions already, already written,
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Notice of breach and a 10-day cure period.
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This is a shorter, more responsive timeline
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than the proposed 30-day trigger.
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Financial set off, which gives the chief procurement officer
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the authority to evaluate performance for the past three years
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and determine future contracting opportunities.
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In other words, the county already provides authority
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to hold bad actors accountable.
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In addition, with holding provisions set in the ordinance
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will fall hardest on the small businesses
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as Cook County is such a support.
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We support the county's concern to hold bad actors
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a comment.
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But not at the expense of small diverse businesses.
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We asked the Board of Commission to not pass ordinance 26,
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15, 14 in its current form.
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If a revised version advances,
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expressly exclude all construction, architecture, engineering,
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and related firms as well as other small diverse businesses
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that can be put out of business by withholding funds.
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Thank you.
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Our next speaker is Mark Clements, but you can
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for police head commissioner at guard commissioner.
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Thank you.
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We also called Rebecca Jellie.
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Rebecca, are you asking me?
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Yep, go ahead.
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Please start.
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Good morning.
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I'm sorry Rebecca, after you,
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it's going to be Mark Clements.
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Good morning, commissioners.
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My name is Rebecca Jallie, and I'm here on behalf of the
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Shorty Association of Illinois to raise concerns about the
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proposed amendment to the Cook County procurement code,
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which would impose a 10% penalty on county contracts of $3 million or more,
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where non-performance continues beyond 30 days.
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If adopted is drafted, this 10% penalty would apply to all county contracts,
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including contracts that require performance and payment bonds,
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for the Illinois Public Construction Bond Act,
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which already include protections for non-performance.
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At a high level, the performance bond guarantees completion.
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If a contractor defaults, the surety steps into complete the work or pays the county's damages up to the full bond amount.
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The payment bond separately guarantees that subcontractors and suppliers get paid, so unpaid subs don't stop work or lean the project.
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These protections already exist and are already paid for it by the contractor through the use of performance and payment bonds.
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A 10% penalty layered on top of the bonded protection does not add meaningful security for the county.
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It duplicates it, while adding new risk and costs to the delivery and completion of a construction contract.
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Additionally, the amendment doesn't clarify whether this 10% is an addition.
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To retainage, or is the withholding of retainage itself, a distinction with real consequences, especially
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for contracts near completion where delays may be outside the contractors' control and involve further
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engagement from the county. Retainage is not paid until final completion and serves as the county's
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security to ensure projects finish on time. If this 10% penalty functions as retainage, it can
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create a problem for shirties, who rely on those funds being available to complete a bonded project
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an a non-performance default scenario. As written, a surety could complete the work and still be denied
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entitlement to that 10%, undermining the surety's ability to mitigate losses and adding risks
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under the bond. Finally, it's my understanding that punitive clauses are largely
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impermecible in Illinois contracts, liquidated damages, which are already standard in every
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Cook County construction contract, are the enforceable mechanism for delay remedies. So it's
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I'm respectfully asking the committee to reconsider the cement or at minimum clarify its relationship with existing retainage and liquidated damages provisions before moving forward. Thank you.
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Next speaker.
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Mark are you ready? Go ahead. Go ahead. Tell the Shene.
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It's okay if you go out order. Tell the Shene.
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Jamie Nealy. Jamie please begin.
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Thank you. Good morning chair. Good morning commissioners. My name is Jamie Nealy Executive Director of the Federation of Women Contractors or FWC.
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For more than 35 years, FWC has advocated for women-owned businesses in construction and related industries and worked to expand their access to public and private contracting opportunities.
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I'm here today on behalf of our board and membership to respectfully oppose proposed ordinance amendment 261514 as currently drafted.
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FWC absolutely supports accountability and strong contract management.
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Our concern is the provision establishing a minimum 10% penalty for failure to perform or deliver
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on contracts exceeding $3 million.
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In construction, if financial penalty imposed at that prime level,
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can sometimes oftentimes quickly impact subcontractors,
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particularly small women and diverse firms.
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who are already operating with limited working capital.
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That can affect cash flow, bond capacity, access to financing, and ultimately their
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ability to perform and pursue future work.
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We are also concerned that the proposal does not provide sufficient clarity
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around what constitutes a failure to perform.
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Particularly when delays may result from circumstances outside of a
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contractors control. And importantly, construction contracts already include protections,
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remedies, some such as performance and payment bonds, retainage, insurance requirements,
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and default provisions. For those reasons, FWC respectfully ask the Board not to advance
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ordinance amendment 261514 as currently drafted. We'll welcome the opportunity to work
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with the county as a stakeholder to develop a more balanced solution that strengthens the
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accountability without creating unintended consequences for the contracting community.
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We thank you for your consideration and for the opportunity for comments.
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Thank you.
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Chairman, we have two more speakers, Mark Clements, followed by Christine Chunk.
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You may begin, sir.
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My name is Mark Clements and I am Senior Organizer with Chicago Torture Justice Center.
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Many of you may not clearly understand that in the city of Chicago tortures occurred.
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With those tortures occurring, there were special prosecutors that were appointed by our court system.
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Mr. Deli, who stands his brother, is at center of those allegations of cover-up of police torture.
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These special prosecutors are drawing millions upon millions of dollars to represent the interests of prosecutors and cases
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and which they clearly know that they cannot win.
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The city of Chicago is constantly paying out millions of dollars and settlements.
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Where do this money trail come to a end?
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Robert Malay.
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Mr. O'Rocke, our two individuals that have collected millions of dollars from this county board. In real county, payments are under great scrutiny and
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Cato cases of police torture, with that many people, they hear it, but they don't hear it.
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These are human lives that are at the other end of this political football game.
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One minute. I'm asking that this county board look into this matter and to stop payments.
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to these county prosecutors, especially in cases which they clearly know that they can not win.
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It is a shame that this county board can get up and come to the Cook County Court House
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and you are put on the scrutiny.
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You are delayed SS and getting in that bill.
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Please, let's stop this political football game.
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Thank you.
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Chairman, this is our last speaker, and then we need to add additional members to the row.
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Christine, please begin. Good morning. My name is Christine Chung. I'm here representing ACE,
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the Association Asian American Construction Enterprises. Here to reject 26, file 26, 15, 14.
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ACE connects supports and gives voice to Asian American businesses in the contracting engineering
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industries in Illinois. We advocate with and for Asian Americans and other organizations to ensure
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access, opportunity, and grow.
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In regards to 2016-14, this additional penalty would deter M and WBE subs from participating
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in county contracts, or cause them to increase pricing, resulting in increased costs of
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county overall.
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In addition, this proposed penalty does not offer any more protection to the county than
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what existing construction contracts already provide, performance and payment bonds, as well
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as retained.
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Ace believes that more conversations need to be had on this topic, as well as engaging with all that would be affected, including the sub-contracting and sub-consultant community.
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And respectfully request us to propose substitute for file 261514 be rejected.
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Thank you.
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Chairman, I concludes our list of speakers, and we do have a few members to add
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sir to our role. Commissioner Mikasco has requested to be added. Commissioner Stamps is requesting
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to be added, and she's also participating remotely, so we need a remote room.
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Mr. Bretton, move your minutes, remote participation.
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Thank you, thank you, let me catch up, Mr. Aguilar, you're both sir.
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Thank you, Commissioner Decknan and previous votes for all I.
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Commissioner Gainer is excused.
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Commissioner Lawyer is excused.
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Commissioner Miller I.
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Commissioner Moore.
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Previous votes for I.
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Commissioner Moore is absent.
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Commissioner Marita.
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Commissioner Marita is I.
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Commissioner Kevin Morrison.
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are there.
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Shoremus.
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Thank you, thank you.
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on chairman we have three absent and 14 eyes.
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The item passes.
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Commissioner Scott moves approve of the committee minutes of July 26, item number 26, 23,
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46, second by Commissioner Agua.
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All those in favor signify by saying aye.
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I oppose the motion carries.
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Commissioner Britain.
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Thank you chairman members of the committee.
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I move to receive and file the following items 262189, which is the
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quarters report for the period June through August 26. To approve special court cases on
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pages 2 through 4, to approve the proposed settlements on pages 4 through 7. To approve item 262261,
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the quarterly litigation disbursement report. To approve 262177, the Workers' Compensation
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7 in the decision.
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Members report, for July, through August 20, 26, to approve item 26 2257, the workers' compensation
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claim was report for the month ending June 30, to approve 26 2258, workers' compensation
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claim report for the month ending July 26, to approve item 26 2318, the workers' compensation
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claim report for settlements related to September 26, and to approve 26 2260, workers'
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conversation claim report for August 2241. The patient arrested claim to report for the month's
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June 1, 2026 through August 31, 2026. To approve item 26, 2238, the self insurance claim
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support for the month's ending July 30 through August 31, 2026. To approve item 26, 2262,
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the claim's recovery settlements for the month ending August 2026.
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I'm going to send MoPi to Mr. Brett and second by Mr. Marita to before the please
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have to make sure more to the roll call.
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To receive in five, I don't number two, one, eight, nine.
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All special corridors have proved to propose settlement letters as amended in the
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roll one two two three eight and two two one.
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Twenty six twenty two sixty two and I will put my glasses at.
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Circle.
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And I'm sorry any questions.
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On chairman is moved by commissioner Britain second by commissioner marita.
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Michelle Aguilar vote.
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Michelle Naya.
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I.
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Michelle Britain.
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I.
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Commissioner Decknan.
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Previous votes for all aye.
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Commissioner Decknan is absent.
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Commissioner Gainer is excused.
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Commissioner Laurie is excused.
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Commissioner Casco.
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Commissioner Casco is aye.
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Commissioner Miller.
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Miller aye.
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Commissioner Moore.
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Commissioner Marita.
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Commissioner Kevin Morrison.
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Commissioner Shoun Morrison.
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Commissioner Scott.
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Previous votes for all aye.
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Commissioner Stams.
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Aye.
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Commissioner Stams is aye.
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Commissioner Trevor.
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Aye.
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Mr. Vaskas, previous votes were all I, Chairman, your vote,
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Chairman is, I, Mr. Decknan has not returned.
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Chairman, 14, I, three, absent.
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Yeah, I didn't pass this, Mr. Chau and Morrison.
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Chairman, thank you.
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I moved to receive and file item number 26-2312,
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which is the Controllers Report for the seven month period,
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ending on June 30th, 2026.
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I moved to receive and file item number 262313,
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which is the Controllers Report for the eight month period,
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and then on July 31st of 2026.
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And I move to receive and file item number 26-1607, which is the Cook County Health Report for August, as amended in the Iraqis.
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It's been moved by Commissioner Sean Morrison, second by Commissioner Trevor, to receive and file 262312262313 and 261637.
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Scott?
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I'm sorry.
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The controller should report.
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and then followed by SPA.
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The morning commissioners, Chairman and Daily,
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Stirl Thomas Comptroller,
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for the eight-point period ending July 31 of 2026,
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the general fund had a favorable net budget variance
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of 331.2 million.
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It was comprised of a 270.5 million
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favorable revenue variance,
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and a favorable expense variance of 60.7 million.
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The favorable revenue variance is driven primarily
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by county sales tax, property tax, and cigarette tax
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receipts higher than forecasted.
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The health fund had an unfavorable net budget variance of 28.5 million on a budget or cash basis.
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It comprised of a 52.3 million favorable revenue variance and an unfavorable expense variance of 80.8 million.
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The cruel based financial reports prepared by the health fund are a better indicator of the financial condition as an enterprise fund.
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State revenues update through July 31st of 2026, the state of Illinois owed the county 98.7 million.
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That included 88.3 million due to the general fund and 10.4 million due to the health fund.
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The receivable was comprised of 12.7 million from AOSC administrative office of Illinois
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Court, 0.4 million for rent, 85.6 million for federal pass-through and state direct grants.
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In fiscal year 26, the federal government canceled 1.2 million in one-time grants.
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That concludes my report. Does anyone have any questions?
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Any questions?
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by and of the members.
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If not, we'll go to Cook on the health.
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Good morning, Chairman. Good morning, commissioners. Scott Spencer, interim CFO for CCH. So as mentioned on a year-to-date basis, the health system is 28.5 million unfavorable to budget revenues are 52.3 million favorable, which is comprised of favorable dish revenue and revenue from the health plan.
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while patient fees remain unfavorable due to higher and compensated care and
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volumes under budget as well as directed payments on federal budget and then on
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the expense side claims expense on the health plan remain unfavorable to budget.
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No past due competition from the state and dish payments are current.
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Any questions by any of the members?
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If not, roll call.
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Michelle Aguilar.
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I.
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Commissioner Naya.
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Commissioner Britain.
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I.
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Previous votes for all.
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I Commissioner Degna.
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Commissioner Degna is I.
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Commissioner Gainer.
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And Commissioner Laurie are both excused.
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Commissioner McCasco.
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Commissioner Cascola is I.
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Commissioner Miller.
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She added a room.
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Commissioner Miller is absent.
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Commissioner Moore.
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It's I for this vote.
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Thank you sir commissioner more is I Commissioner Marita. Commissioner Marita's I commissioner Kevin Morrison
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Mister Kevin Morrison is I commissioner shot Morrison, yeah more tonight Commissioner Scott. Hi. Mister stands
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Mister stamps
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Commissioner Stamps is a absent for the moment commissioner trevers
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Commissioner Stamps your vote is I
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Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner Stamps is I Commissioner Trevor
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All right. Thank you. Commissioner Trevor Zach. Commissioner Vasquez. Thank you. And Chairman
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Daily. Chairman 14. Ice. Three. Absent. Two excuse for Gainer Laurie and Commissioner Miller is out of the room.
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14. Yeah, it passes.
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Can we show a statement?
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You're your item's up.
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What?
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Thank
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you, Chairman.
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Thank you, Chairman.
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I move for this item to be deferred.
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It's Commissioner Deagan moves item number 2, 6, 1, 5, 1, 4,
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second by Commissioner Sean Morrison.
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All those in favor of your signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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Opposed.
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Motion carries.
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The next item is 2, 6, 1, 8, 4, 9.
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moved it to throw back your mission right in second-by-commissure
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Skype on this item I believe it will be viewed by the chief on a actual officer if if you could on this
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This is a line of credit and I
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Sorry, was that to be deferred or not sheep
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by understanding
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We she wanted it approved. Okay, the men I'm men my motion to
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to emotional force to approve by commissioner Scott. I'm sorry, my commissioner Britons, second
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commissioner Scott to approve. Yes, this is my, I don't, it's a, is a representative
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commissioner Gainers office around her. My understanding, this is what you wanted. It's not
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also my understanding that this is a lowering in the amount of the line to a credit for the
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Well, come to the mic, please.
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Public speaking,
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Mike.
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Did you?
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Did you?
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Bless you.
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Oh, OK.
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I thought you made it.
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I don't know.
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Uh, there was supposed to be.
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Uh, please introduce yourself.
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I'm sorry.
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Uh, Angela Manninghart and then Chief Financial Officer.
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I'm sorry.
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Uh, I was looking to sit there with someone from the land bank,
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but it's my understanding that this is merely an extension
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do July of 2028 of the current line of credit.
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This, I've my understanding it was for the commissioner wanted it approved.
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And I'm trying to confirm that with her staff.
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Anyone from the commissioner, again, are the hearing? The land bank, I'm sorry.
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We'll see the land bank.
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Okay, why don't we just recess that till we get an answer from the land bank?
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If you're wants to say, well, and we'll come back, okay?
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So, we both stand in recess.
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I'll not tell the call of the chair on this meeting.
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Thank you. We're going to transition to rules.