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All right, I'm gonna call the meeting of
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the Derfield Elementary School committee
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to order at five o'clock.
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This meeting is being recorded.
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Uh, welcome back everyone. Happy New
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Year. Feel like it's been forever
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already that we've been in January, but
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it is a new year. Uh, first order of
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business tonight is uh to review and
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approve. We have a bunch of minutes. M
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minutes from October 21st, 2025, October
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30th 25, November 2025, and December
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18th, 2025. able
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to do them separately or other ones
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to approve the minutes as October 21st,
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2025, October 30th, 2025, November 20th,
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2025, and December 18th, 2025.
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>> Second.
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» There's no further conversation. All in
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favor?
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Thank you.
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» Next up financial statement.
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>> So I realize I did not send you
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financial reports about midday today. I
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realized that I think with the holiday I
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got behind and then uh we worked on
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budget pretty much all afternoon for the
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presentation tonight. So I owe you
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reports. Um with that said, I can state
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the warrants for the record. They don't
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have to be in the email. So we'll get
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them on record here. Um, 46 warrants
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were signed totaling $553,820.31.
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I will email it to you.
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>> You're doing minutes.
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I'll email it to
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you. That way you don't have to
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regurgitate that. Um, there are no new
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concerns with the fiscal year 26 budget.
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Uh we we probably will have while I've
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talked a lot about we have some overages
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from salaries um because we settled at a
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higher placeholder than we had in when
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we built the budget for the contract. I
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expect that we're going to see some
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savings. Um there's been some IA
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vacancies. There's always unpaid time
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off, those kinds of things. With that
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said, I did want to let you know that
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there was one staffing change. Um,
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so we had an IIA resignation midy year
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and then we had an IIA vacancy and Tina
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was able to look at the staff and sort
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of see what the needs are for the
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students in the building and we've moved
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forward with hiring a full
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specialist on
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we're sort of swapping out some wages.
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I'm saying that because one, we want you
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to know, but two, it will have 27 impact
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when we look at the budget because
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teachers are more expensive than IAS.
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So, we're not exactly swapping dollar
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for dollar. Um, but based on the needs
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of the students in the building and the
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support services that were being
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provided, it was a position um that was
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necessary. And I will say we had a
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central position sort of years ago um
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that transitioned into something less
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when someone resigned. So, we're sort of
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going back to that original model.
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>> Can you say a little bit more about what
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an inclusion specialist is specifically?
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>> Yeah, like behavior support um and
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helping kids. It doesn't have to just be
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big behavior, but just helping kids to
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be settled in in their classrooms.
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>> And that's someone who's a teacher or
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someone with like a behavioral
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the person we hired has a BCBA,
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but they're on a teacher's hat, right?
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That makes sense. Any other questions
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about that?
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>> One more question. So, it's a it's is it
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someone who is available to all grades?
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Yeah. Currently, at least.
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>> Yeah. They also um kind of hold a
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leazison position. So, they have kids on
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their case load but is also available to
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the like crisis management but also has
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a case load and also supports um
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students that um are not able to be in
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the classroom.
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Wait, sorry, one more question. So, I'm
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just trying to distinguish what that is
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between a adjustment counselor and then
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a psychologist.
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>> So, when you say not in the building, do
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you or not in the classroom? It could be
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like in the building and could also be
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someone who's not even in
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>> they support like the specialized
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programming too. So, we have students in
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Yeah. in the den or the LEA program and
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then there's students that are in the
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classroom but um need like a more
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involved behavioral plan and support.
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their students have crisis like some big
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feelings that come up
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>> and they might not be on even on an IEP.
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So they're just part of the team.
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Gotcha.
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>> Tina, it would be safe to say that I'm
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setting up throwing a softball. Go
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ahead.
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>> When you put in programs like the Dan
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program and we have increased enrollment
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in our LEAP program that this possession
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is necessary to support the teachers in
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those programs.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> Okay. That's kind of that's kind of
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basically where it's coming from is that
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we built this DEN program
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>> um and had someone inhouse that could do
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a lot of the skills that this position
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has but as an IIA
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um
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>> you know some of the skill set of
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deescalation and such not the license
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training but yeah so
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>> um so it's the in the long run it's
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going to save the district money because
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bring the program in house for um
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increasing number of kiddos in we reap
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the benefits when we're able to tuition
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in students to that program.
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>> So,
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>> and it is another adult because
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typically there's more than one child in
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crisis in the building at the time.
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>> So, it's nice to have another
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>> another trained person who can go
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deescalators.
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>> Well, and I'll be honest on that the
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my observation on that is Tina's at BCBA
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and spends a lot of her time doing that
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deescalation work. And
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>> um that's wonderful when it saves money,
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but then you have an administrator who
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um can't support other needs in the
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building if they have a child in their
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office.
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>> Yes.
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>> Is that another southpaw?
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>> That was that was that was that was
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really slow pitch.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So yeah,
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» not for the current year.
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I sure know.
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>> Okay. Principal's report.
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>> Yeah. So, it's a school improvement plan
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this time around. I know that um I think
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I sent it out in November. So, just some
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things to highlight. Um
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over the summer our instructional team
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looked at a lot of data sources, student
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achievement, demographics, survey data,
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and we created a draft and we solicited
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family feedback through surveys
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and um teacher feedback as well and
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school council feedback. Um our work was
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grounded in John Hattie's visible
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learning. I don't if anybody's familiar
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with that, but we really leaned into
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collective advocacy for um our round uh
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for our goals this year and helping us
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um become a stronger team. Uh some of
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the parent feedback just look at this we
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got was um they really it consistently
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affirmed Deerfield's kind caring
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community strong curriculum and
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opportunities to see student work. They
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asked for more consistent communication
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across grade levels and additional
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opportunities for student families and
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staff to connect up outside of academics
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particularly through evening events. So
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those priorities were reflected in the
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family and community engagement
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objective in the action steps. Um so our
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work with collective efficacy you'll
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know note in school culture um and
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leadership on objective one and
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objective two high impact instructional
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and datadriven practices.
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Um one of the um collective advocacy
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things uh activities that we're working
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on with staff is ed microteing. So guide
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cancer teacherdriven sessions where
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educators identify topics most relative
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to their practice. Um which builds
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shared ownership and micro teaching is
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where staff can share short practical
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examples. It could be video clips that
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they're looking for feedback or video
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clips where they've um these are things
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that work for them. So we're building in
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those pieces.
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Any questions around it? You'll notice
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that it has a different format. We
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copied the strategic plan. Thought it
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was a little bit more family friendly.
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So hoping that that's true.
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» All right. We have school improvement
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plan later on the agenda. So we'll get
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to the
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>> Okay. Quoting on that later unless you
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really want to go over it.
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>> I don't know. You might want to get it
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over with topics.
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>> You can just keep going. If you want go
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ahead and make the you're going to have
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to accept it if you want to just do if
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you want to go and have a discussion now
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since we opened it.
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>> We're going to go into budget and I
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don't want so um you've already started
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the conversation. I would go ahead and
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finish up the SIP.
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>> Okay. If that works for one then yeah.
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Okay. So any question
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discussion on the improvement plan?
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I would say I appreciated the um
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yeah object the family and community
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enga engagement objective all the the
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different things laid out there
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helpful
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>> that's most of the feedback that we get
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back
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events the families and
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>> it does as a parent it seems like I can
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see that the school's been trained out
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daily and it feels good
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>> like the arts night last year was like
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oh my gosh and then the announce was
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also a huge hit and math science was
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» but we're waiting for you to approve it
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before we get started. No, I'm only
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kidding. We already started those
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are
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>> Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean that was the problem
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with the one thing with the schedule is
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that we usually do the student
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improvement plan and school improvement
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plan October, November and so I sent it
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to you early and said we're moving on
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this none of it is objectable work you
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know but if there was stuff you wanted
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or didn't see or have questions on was
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really
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where it's at but school committee does
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need to approve it
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there's no further discussion on that
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I'll be looking for a motion to approve
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Move the student school improvement
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plan.
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Motion to approve school improvement.
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Right. All in favor?
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» Okay. And anything else from you, Tina?
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>> Okay. Thank you very much.
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>> Okay. Next couple comments.
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I don't see anything online.
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Okay. Uh next up we have uh the update
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on the playground renovation progress.
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>> Um
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we got the signed off. Excuse me. This
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just today we got the signed off. Um
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trying to think what it was called, but
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you have to go put it bring it to the
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deed register the deeds to put it
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through. So, um, with the, um,
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provisions that they talked about,
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>> um, you know, I printed it all out and I
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didn't bring it, but um, so basically
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we're progressively moving forward.
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We're going to talk about the funding of
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it as we talk about budget. Um, and um,
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we have a meeting
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today's Tuesday, Thursday.
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I have two different conservation
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committ
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Wednesday or Thursday. One of them is
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Weightley, one of them is Deerfield. Um,
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just to do the final walk through of it.
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I don't understand why they sent us the
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paperwork of it being complete, even
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though they still said they had to have
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one more meeting. So, um, like I said, I
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got that this morning. I was a little
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confused. So, I haven't talked to Carlos
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yet. But, so we're kind of we're kind of
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lined up to move forward on this and
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then the next step will be getting it to
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go out to bid um,
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which we will do once we figure out the
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funding of it. Um,
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and you know, we'll talk about that. I,
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you know,
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I guess we'll talk about that more at
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the next meeting, but we can also put it
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out the bid and then not move forward
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with the project. You know what I mean?
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It's just going to be cost you $1,000 to
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that's the calculation of what was it to
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put out the last bid to roughly around
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$1,000.
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>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, I mean, that's what you lose if you
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put it out there and you know, the
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prices come back too high or, you know,
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that kind of thing. Good.
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>> Not to jump ahead on funding, but as
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aside from prices increasing, if you put
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it out today, decide it's too high, wait
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a while, come back to it later.
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>> Are there any constraints with the CPA
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funds from the town?
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>> We had to do it within, I believe, three
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years. We definitely have more than one
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year.
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>> Three years when it was approved.
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>> Yeah.
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Um
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when you put it out to bid
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is it possible to sort of
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how do I say this like they can give us
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different figures potent like we can
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come back to them and say okay if we
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like don't put this piece of equipment
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in should that change so you have to
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start the whole thing over there.
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>> So the way you can so I hear what you're
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saying so you can't
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negotiate or else you're kind of you're
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cheating the bid process. So you got to
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say what you want. What we could do is
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we could do add alternates.
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>> So what you do is you say this is the
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base project. How much to do that and
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let's say on this particular one and
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pave the basketball court
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>> like so you can say that's an ad
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alternate. So they add them all up and
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so that you can do the base bid and then
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say um you know we're going to do the ad
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alternate or not, right?
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>> You know that kind of thing. That's
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>> needs to just simmer for a while.
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Um,
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if you have projects that may have
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fluctuation where you want to hold a
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certain part back, right, you say,
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"Well, if you want to do this as well,
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how much that cost?" But usually you
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start with the base.
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» Well, you have budget coming up next.
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So, we do seg
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This means we'll be right along
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Darius is going to share the
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presentation
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and I will walk you through it. Jump in
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please if I'm
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stating something incorrectly or not
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remembering what we talked about a
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couple of hours ago. All right. So, uh,
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next slide shows our starting point is
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always level service budget. So that
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means that we're taking our exact
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staffing and programs and services from
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the prior year and replicating it in the
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new year and adding where necessary cola
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increases for our contracts, um
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increases for non-contract staff, uh any
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other nonwage adjustments, which you're
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going to see is a little bit more
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significant this year than usual
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primarily because of health insurance,
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but we really start at that baseline. Um
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and just consider cola for all of our
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expenditures. So, jumping right in,
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let's see what that looks like for
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Deerfield Elementary next year. I'm
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going to give you a moment to look at
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that number. I can see shock on Mary's
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face.
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>> Yeah. And and can we just kind of
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preference? So, we're going to doing
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things a little bit differently tonight
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in the sense that we're going to
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progress through
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>> the next phase two where we're going to
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offer suggestions on bringing this
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budget down. Um the reasons for that is
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the timeline of this budget
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um puts us in mid to late February and
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if we're going to have conversation
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actually late February is where our next
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school committee meeting is. Um and
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you know giving the information as we go
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through. So we're just saying so there's
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be a lot of movement of these numbers
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but basically the first part of this
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presentation is like this is the
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foundation of where we're starting at
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and then we're going to talk you through
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about how we bring that down. So, she's
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going to talk about how she stripped
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everything out to show you the true cost
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and then we're going to put things back
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in and then kind of work toward work
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toward another number. Okay.
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>> Well, and what I want to also say about
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this is typically we have a part in this
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process where we talk about new needs
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and requests and then maybe that's what
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we're stripping down. This is level
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service. So, this is not any additional
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staffing. It's taking this year's um
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staff which is the majority of our
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budget is is wages. Um and when you look
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at these different growth categories
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here, so this is how the expense
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categories are broken down how you guys
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get your quotes from me. These
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categories are set by Desi. They come
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out of the budget in this way and out of
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the database so that we can report back
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at the end of the year what our expenses
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have been. So instruction is essentially
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anyone on the ground working with
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students in the building. But it also
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includes um principal's office staff,
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principal secretaries, that kind of
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thing. IAS's um teachers wages and
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non-wage expenditures. However, what I
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will say is that budget growth really is
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primarily related to wages. I don't
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think there's any non-wage growth under
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that category. Student services, the
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growth of almost $64,000 is related to
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transportation, which I'm going to talk
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a little bit about um more in the
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presentation, but there's some wages in
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there because they also lump in um the
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health office staff. So nursing staff is
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considered a student service, but that's
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mostly non-wage. Operations and
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maintenance is minimal. It's your wage
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increases for anyone that falls in that
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category, which does include some
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central office staff that work in
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facilities and it um administration is
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not administration in the building. That
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is primarily central office and school
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committee. So any school committee
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expenditures, superintendent's office or
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business office comes in there. that is
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strictly wages of the $5,000 growth. And
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then benefits and insurance is
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self-explanatory. When it comes to
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benefits and insurance, the important
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part for us to remember here is that the
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town covers insurance for school
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employees. So when we're looking at a
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$53,000 increase, um there's one
[18:25]
component under building and liability
[18:27]
that the town bills us for the school's
[18:29]
portion of their building and liability
[18:31]
insurance. We are seeing some minor
[18:33]
growth there, but the other major
[18:35]
increase here is due to central office
[18:37]
health insurance increase, which we're
[18:38]
going to talk a little bit further. So,
[18:40]
we're uh about $530,000
[18:43]
at level services.
[18:45]
>> So, let's I'm sorry. Can I ask a
[18:46]
question? Yeah. Could you remind me what
[18:48]
we asked for last year? What percent?
[18:50]
>> It's coming up.
[18:50]
>> Okay. And then the salary increases for
[18:53]
staff. I was just wondering where the
[18:55]
400,000 came from.
[18:57]
>> We're going to talk about it right here.
[18:58]
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, so wage obligations
[19:02]
and I'm seeing that I didn't update that
[19:04]
first slide after I updated this today.
[19:06]
So I will fix that. $418,000. The
[19:08]
previous slide I think says,
[19:12]
no, I'm confusing myself. $418,171,
[19:16]
which is 7.6%
[19:18]
of the 9.64 is strictly going to wages.
[19:22]
So the primary growth in our budget is
[19:24]
wage driven this year. There's several
[19:26]
factors coming into play here. for all
[19:28]
non-union staff. There is a placeholder
[19:30]
in the budget of a 3% COLA. We do have
[19:33]
staff that step even though they're not
[19:36]
on a contract. We have salary schedules
[19:38]
for all the different groups. So,
[19:40]
custodial, school lunch, secretarial,
[19:42]
and then the bottom piece is
[19:43]
administrative contract renewals. So,
[19:46]
um,
[19:48]
we've taken into consider anyone that
[19:50]
has a automatic placeholder in their in
[19:52]
their contract or Darius has given me
[19:55]
some feedback on where he thinks
[19:56]
renewals will be coming in the new year.
[19:58]
So, that's on the left hand part of the
[20:00]
slide. You can see that the primary
[20:02]
driver is our union contract. Uh, we
[20:05]
have a very healthy contract that we
[20:06]
settled on. We're making up a little bit
[20:09]
for the current year. You've heard me
[20:11]
talk about this with the FY26 budget.
[20:13]
the placeholder was not quite enough to
[20:16]
meet where we settled. So, we're having
[20:18]
to make up for that in 27 and add in the
[20:22]
new year's growth. So, top step is at
[20:24]
4%. If anyone on the unit A contract is
[20:28]
stepping, they will see 6.22%.
[20:31]
The third factor on the union contract,
[20:33]
which is most significant here in
[20:35]
Deerfield, is that we have 10 faculty
[20:37]
advancing columns. So they've advanced
[20:39]
their degrees, they have additional
[20:41]
credits, they may be moving from masters
[20:43]
to masters plus 30. The the total
[20:46]
increase when this happens varies
[20:48]
because it depends on where someone is
[20:51]
in the salary schedule already for
[20:52]
column and for step. So this is pretty
[20:55]
significant when you're talking about 10
[20:57]
faculty making that type of movement.
[21:00]
And then we have unit C. Um all unit C
[21:03]
members are moving up. So uh we added a
[21:06]
step. So the coal is 2 and a half and
[21:08]
then the step is 3%. That's costing us
[21:11]
about $44,000.
[21:13]
And then summer stipens um we were
[21:15]
slightly over budget this year which
[21:17]
we're still analyzing but if you look at
[21:19]
our existing budget report that is
[21:20]
negative funds. So we're making an
[21:22]
adjustment to account for that because
[21:24]
we do expect that we're going to need
[21:26]
that money moving forward as we continue
[21:28]
to develop summer programs.
[21:30]
So if you go back one slide, what I want
[21:33]
to point out is so if you look
[21:35]
instruction first line where it says
[21:37]
42,000,
[21:38]
that's just the increase for contractual
[21:42]
teachers and IAS, each of those
[21:45]
categories has salaries and wage
[21:47]
increases in it. That totals the 418,000
[21:51]
on the next page. Does that make sense?
[21:55]
Okay.
[21:56]
Um, next slide after this is non-wage
[21:59]
expenditures. So, non-wage expenses,
[22:02]
even though this 2% I think is high for
[22:05]
our elementary schools because we don't
[22:08]
carry a lot of non-wage expenses that
[22:10]
typically see growth, but it is not the
[22:13]
primary driver of the budget increase at
[22:15]
level services. Two things are impacted
[22:18]
here. There was a small cola increase on
[22:21]
our transportation contract. It's a few
[22:22]
thousand dollars. It's not a lot of
[22:24]
money. the the majority of that change
[22:26]
is coming from uh where we use rural aid
[22:29]
in the current year to supplement the
[22:32]
budget. I always add that back in
[22:33]
because it's not a guaranteed funding
[22:36]
source. So I want us to see what that
[22:38]
impact would look like were we not to
[22:40]
receive those funds.
[22:42]
And then central office health insurance
[22:44]
is taken into account there. Like the
[22:46]
wages, we're getting hit twofold in this
[22:48]
category because there was an October
[22:50]
1st increase. And then we're going to
[22:53]
see a projected we have right now 20% as
[22:55]
a placeholder for July one. So that
[22:58]
totals 112,000.
[23:01]
So the next slide gives us historical
[23:03]
data um to answer your question of where
[23:06]
we were. And I gave you the dollar
[23:07]
amounts as well because I think that
[23:09]
that's even more important to look at
[23:11]
than the percentage points in Deerfield
[23:13]
in particular. So you can see last year
[23:15]
3% was 160,000.
[23:18]
Uh the year before was the renewal of
[23:21]
our transportation contract where we saw
[23:23]
that big change in our cost. That's
[23:25]
where we came in at 4.65%.
[23:28]
Otherwise, Deerfield has been really
[23:30]
fortunate. We've had some hard
[23:32]
conversations to get our numbers here.
[23:34]
We've reduced sections. We've eliminated
[23:37]
uh faculty and staff where needed to one
[23:40]
make sure that we have the right
[23:41]
staffing for enrollment and two be
[23:43]
fiscally responsible with our budget. So
[23:45]
we've been able to come in at that 3ish%
[23:48]
or under for many years. This is really
[23:51]
an anomaly for our level service budget
[23:53]
to be at this level of 9.46%.
[23:59]
Typically, we would talk about the
[24:00]
principal's budget and new requests and
[24:02]
initiatives at this point, but we do not
[24:04]
have anything new to to request this
[24:06]
year. Um, we did talk behind the scenes
[24:08]
about a few different things. Uh, it was
[24:10]
sort of decided that given the level
[24:12]
service budget, we didn't want to put
[24:14]
forward any new requests. Tina felt like
[24:16]
we could make do with um what we have
[24:19]
and we can look at other funding
[24:20]
sources. you know, there may be a grant
[24:22]
that we don't rely on to supplement the
[24:25]
budget that could be used to buy some
[24:26]
consumables and things of those natures.
[24:28]
There was nothing significant. We were
[24:30]
not coming in asking for a new teaching
[24:32]
position or anything like that. Um, so
[24:34]
there's nothing new, no impact there.
[24:37]
However, um, as Darius mentioned, given
[24:40]
the timeline of the budget and some
[24:42]
communication that we've already seen
[24:44]
from the towns and the 9.46%, 46%. We
[24:48]
felt like it was important to come into
[24:49]
this meeting with some brainstorming
[24:52]
ideas to reduce our budget. Normally, we
[24:55]
would wait a month, sit on these
[24:57]
numbers, and then we would come back and
[24:58]
talk. A February 26th meeting, and then
[25:02]
our public hearing just two weeks later
[25:04]
is a really tight timeline. And we're
[25:06]
all already sensitive to the fact that
[25:08]
the town is working on their numbers and
[25:10]
I think feeling some pressure from the
[25:12]
health insurance increase as well. So,
[25:15]
we're going to talk about what
[25:16]
reductions look like in the next couple
[25:18]
of slides. So, our options to reduce the
[25:21]
budget are very limited. We cannot avoid
[25:24]
the increase to central office health
[25:26]
insurance. Um, we can look at other
[25:30]
funding sources. So, we added back in
[25:32]
the money from rural aid. We know our
[25:33]
allocation. We can look at that. Um,
[25:36]
other funding sources that we haven't
[25:38]
talked about yet would be primarily
[25:40]
looking at school choice. What do we
[25:41]
have available in school choice to help
[25:43]
offset? The other component is to reduce
[25:46]
positions which ultimately ends up in
[25:48]
reducing services because wages is the
[25:51]
most significant part of our budget. So
[25:53]
what we've done in the next couple of
[25:55]
slides we're going to outline for you is
[25:57]
what that would look like if we were to
[25:59]
make reductions. I think one of the
[26:01]
important pieces to look at when we're
[26:02]
talking about reducing services and
[26:04]
positions are items that are enrollment
[26:06]
driven and items that are budget driven.
[26:09]
So the next slide shows you enrollment.
[26:12]
Currently
[26:14]
we have um 293
[26:17]
students on the October 1st roster. That
[26:21]
is because the sixth grade has 55
[26:23]
students.
[26:25]
That's going to go away because all of
[26:27]
the the current fifth graders that will
[26:29]
be sixth graders next year, there's only
[26:31]
two sections of that grade. So we're
[26:33]
losing a full class section. So we're
[26:35]
going to be going from 293. I have 263
[26:40]
on here, but Tina will likely add a
[26:42]
couple of school choice kids here or
[26:44]
there or our kindergarten enrollment.
[26:47]
Um, this is based on the census for prek
[26:50]
and K and and where we typically land
[26:52]
that class size. So, this could really
[26:55]
be 265 268.
[26:58]
Bottom line is we're reducing a
[27:00]
significant number of students. We're
[27:02]
going from 55 in the current sixth grade
[27:05]
to 34.
[27:07]
So this is where the discussion of what
[27:10]
reductions in positions I know he very
[27:12]
much I can see Carrie smirking if you
[27:15]
like this new feature Google he's doing
[27:18]
it at all the meetings
[27:21]
um so this is when we can have a
[27:23]
conversation that says do we need to
[27:25]
reduce a class section next slide
[27:28]
outlines what we actually are proposing
[27:31]
for staffing reductions so that first
[27:33]
piece based on student enrollment we
[27:35]
will naturally decrease sixth grade from
[27:38]
three sections to two. Um, it ultimately
[27:41]
ends up being an IIA position and a
[27:43]
teaching position. Uh, we did talk today
[27:46]
there is a long-term sub that would
[27:49]
transition back to her IIA role. So,
[27:52]
we're not actually eliminating someone's
[27:54]
job and we have at least one vacancy in
[27:57]
an IIA in this building already. So,
[27:59]
again, not actually cutting someone's
[28:02]
job from them. Um, so these are natural
[28:04]
things that we should be looking at as
[28:06]
part of our budget process. There's
[28:08]
things that we have looked at in the
[28:09]
past when we reduce sections at other
[28:11]
grade levels. So that saves us about
[28:13]
1.79%
[28:15]
on the budget. From there, we have to
[28:18]
look at actual cuts in programming and
[28:21]
services. What we talked about today as
[28:24]
possibilities and is still being
[28:26]
discussed administratively would be an
[28:29]
additional reduction of $185,000.
[28:33]
We're not going to get into the
[28:34]
nitty-gritty of that yet. You know, is
[28:36]
it
[28:38]
IAS? Is it teachers? Is it related
[28:40]
service providers? We're not ready for
[28:42]
that conversation. That would definitely
[28:44]
be a um February discussion, but this at
[28:47]
least gives us an idea of what that
[28:49]
number looks like. So that would drop
[28:51]
off an additional 3.42% from our budget.
[28:56]
Next slide shows where these uh changes
[28:59]
get us to. So again, applying rural aid
[29:01]
of $79,000, eliminating the sixth grade
[29:04]
class section, and then almost $200,000
[29:08]
of additional staffing reductions would
[29:10]
bring our budget down to a 2.99%
[29:13]
increase over the prior year or 164,000
[29:16]
roughly. you can see level services
[29:19]
versus the reduced budget um over fiscal
[29:22]
year 26. So we started at the 9.64 at
[29:25]
level services and with those changes
[29:27]
are looking at 2.99%.
[29:30]
It's a lot of information. So I'm going
[29:32]
to pause for a minute and see what
[29:34]
questions you have and we can flip back
[29:35]
if we need to.
[29:42]
What is the uh and you may not know this
[29:45]
right off the top of your head, but
[29:46]
you're much better at math than I am.
[29:48]
What is what would the um
[29:52]
total increase be if we just had the
[29:54]
sixth grade classroom in the IIA?
[29:57]
>> Um so it'd be another 185,000 on top of
[30:00]
it. If you go back one slide, Darius.
[30:02]
So,
[30:05]
um, we'd be taking off, let's call the
[30:07]
top line 2% just to keep it even number.
[30:09]
So, our budget's 9.64 at level service.
[30:12]
So, we're taking out almost two. So,
[30:14]
we'd still be at sevenish. Got
[30:16]
>> a little over seven.
[30:18]
>> Um, and no one wants to happen anyway
[30:20]
like that. We've known this from for
[30:22]
like a long time that we probably four,
[30:24]
five, four years, maybe three years that was eventually going to go down.
[30:28]
Yeah. So that was something we were
[30:30]
expecting
[30:30]
>> and no one wants to have the
[30:32]
conversation about reducing staffing and
[30:34]
reducing services. But given the state
[30:37]
of the budget and given our enrollment,
[30:39]
this is a good opportunity for us to
[30:41]
have those conversations. There does
[30:43]
become a point where you need to right
[30:46]
side your budget for the needs of your
[30:48]
community. Sometimes that means adding
[30:50]
and sometimes it means reducing. And
[30:52]
we're at the point of reducing. If we're
[30:54]
going to add at certain years, we have
[30:56]
to be able to deduct where needed. So,
[30:58]
but even reducing that sixth grade
[31:01]
position, our class size is still well
[31:02]
under 20.
[31:04]
>> Yeah. One more longer enrollment.
[31:06]
>> That's good.
[31:07]
>> Have we been able to look at any capital
[31:09]
improvements and delaying those out a
[31:11]
year
[31:13]
to shave off what we had lined up?
[31:16]
>> Well, so we don't control
[31:21]
they're different piles of money. It's
[31:23]
just that sometimes we pause the
[31:24]
conversation in case you have to go into
[31:27]
potentially piles I should say silos of
[31:29]
money because you're putting you're
[31:31]
always you know the town's always going
[31:32]
to have its capital fund and putting
[31:34]
things towards improving and just
[31:36]
because they have a bad budget year they
[31:37]
don't stop capital work unless they have
[31:39]
a catastrophic year. The reason why
[31:41]
we're talking about the school choice,
[31:42]
we were kind of pausing about the school
[31:44]
choice money toward the playground is
[31:46]
depending on how deep we have to cut and
[31:48]
we're going to talk a little bit further
[31:50]
that this isn't the request from the
[31:53]
finance committee which we is it slides
[31:55]
still exist.
[31:56]
>> Yeah, there's a bunch of so we'll talk
[31:58]
about that in a minute. So we're still
[32:00]
haven't reached where the finance
[32:03]
committee you know made our suggestion
[32:05]
that we put our budget coming in at
[32:08]
should I just go to that slide? Um,
[32:10]
well, let's keep moving.
[32:11]
>> We'll come back around to that. So,
[32:13]
>> that's our So, our class sizes.
[32:15]
>> Yes.
[32:15]
>> Yeah. This is next year's.
[32:17]
>> Yep. Based on what we know right now and I don't know if this changed since
[32:22]
October 1st. Ben did have some movement
[32:23]
in his enrollment, but this is based on
[32:26]
10 one of 25. So, by September, there
[32:31]
will be whether it's plus or minus a few
[32:33]
kids, some changes, but we are under
[32:36]
>> 20 students. that's stable, but also
[32:38]
take the kindergarten and prek numbers
[32:40]
as just those are placeholders, right?
[32:42]
Those will change.
[32:43]
>> Yeah.
[32:45]
>> Can I ask a question about the 185? Is
[32:48]
that I'm just wondering where that
[32:50]
number came from? Is it I know you're
[32:53]
not ready to talk about any specifics,
[32:55]
but did it come from
[32:57]
>> your discussions about that or did it
[32:59]
come from a number that we need to get
[33:02]
to
[33:04]
ideas that you have? Is this where it
[33:05]
came from? projected ideas of what we
[33:07]
could probably do.
[33:08]
>> Okay, thank you.
[33:09]
>> Yeah. No, it wasn't a number we were
[33:10]
trying to reach. That was fact it was
[33:12]
299 just happened to be like, "Oh, you
[33:15]
got just under 3%." That wasn't that
[33:17]
wasn't that's how kind of worked out. In
[33:18]
fact, that number could change slightly.
[33:21]
>> Um, as we go deeper into those numbers
[33:23]
that could be like, you know, could go
[33:24]
up to 38, go to, you know, 28, you know,
[33:26]
um, it's
[33:29]
those are kind of right. They were
[33:31]
ballpark numbers about where we about.
[33:32]
So, we're going to learn.
[33:33]
>> Thank you. We're decreasing by like 20
[33:36]
or 25 students
[33:37]
>> overall.
[33:38]
>> Yeah. Right.
[33:39]
>> Yeah.
[33:40]
>> Uh Shelley, before we move on, you uh on
[33:43]
the first slide when we talk about
[33:44]
reductions, you said applying rural aid
[33:46]
funding and you talked about school
[33:47]
choice, but that is not reflecting
[33:48]
school choice money. Correct.
[33:50]
>> So, go up um two more.
[33:54]
>> So, we do use school choice money to
[33:58]
offset the budget. So, whatever we were
[34:00]
using in 26, we're using again in 27.
[34:04]
But we did not add any new expenditures
[34:06]
to 27. So that is still a conversation
[34:09]
that we can have.
[34:10]
>> We're going to talk about that in a
[34:11]
little bit more with those other slides,
[34:12]
too.
[34:12]
>> Yep.
[34:14]
>> Um so if we go down to one more, two
[34:17]
more. All right. So let's look at other
[34:19]
funds and expenditures and then our
[34:21]
total budgets. So the next slide
[34:23]
outlines revolving funds. So this is
[34:25]
what Carrie was referring to when asking
[34:27]
about school choice. You can see the
[34:29]
funds are relatively level from the
[34:32]
prior year outside of increased wages.
[34:35]
So when you look at school choice and it
[34:37]
shows 358,000 from last year and 372,000
[34:41]
in the new year, that is only to account
[34:44]
for the cola and step increases on the
[34:46]
contract. It's not a new staff member.
[34:48]
Okay. Same thing goes uh uh down the
[34:50]
line there
[34:51]
>> because when she goes in the budget, she
[34:53]
so Carrie, if you're a teacher, she
[34:56]
would say, "I'm going to put Carrie on
[34:57]
the school choice." She assigns it to
[34:59]
people rather than just a general number
[35:00]
of 50,000. We assigned it to people. So,
[35:02]
it's a little bit easier to tracking
[35:05]
where the money is going when you look
[35:06]
at different personnel people.
[35:07]
>> Yep.
[35:08]
>> Okay.
[35:09]
>> Rural aid, you can see we're using more
[35:10]
rural aid in the new year. Uh last year
[35:13]
I think we used the rest of rural aid to
[35:16]
help pay for the front project maybe or
[35:19]
the paving in the back um and the budget
[35:22]
was in a much better position. So we
[35:23]
didn't need the amount you know same
[35:25]
amount. This is fully using our rural
[35:27]
aid money. There will not be any
[35:30]
reserves left there.
[35:32]
And the next slide shows you the total
[35:35]
budget when we look at uh general fund
[35:38]
plus revolving funds. And I do have a
[35:40]
caveat in here. Uh, revolving funds has
[35:43]
not taken into consideration any funding
[35:45]
for the playground. In my spreadsheets,
[35:47]
I have a number in my mind of where
[35:50]
>> yeah, we have talked about that. But for
[35:52]
demonstration purposes and not to skew
[35:54]
the numbers, I really wanted you to see
[35:56]
the comparison of the prior year to the
[35:58]
new year. So, uh, we're going from 6.4
[36:02]
roughly million total budget to just
[36:04]
over 6.5.
[36:07]
And the next slide shows our cost per
[36:09]
pupil. This is based on the 293 because
[36:12]
again everything is October 1st. That's
[36:15]
how the state calculates chapter 78 as
[36:18]
well.
[36:18]
>> Um and then I do have that note in the
[36:20]
bottom left hand corner. It's you can
[36:22]
see that we have a downward slide
[36:25]
compared to 2020 in overall enrollment
[36:29]
and in resident enrollment, but it's a
[36:31]
little bit harder to see what those
[36:33]
numbers actually equate to in the chart.
[36:35]
So it is 73
[36:38]
um residents and 20 school choice
[36:40]
students over seven school years that
[36:42]
we've reduced. So it it's fiscally
[36:46]
responsible for us to make the changes
[36:48]
given the decline in enrollment.
[36:50]
>> 2020 school year we have 356 students.
[36:54]
So we'll be down to 265ish.
[36:58]
» Okay. So, uh, the rest of the
[37:02]
presentation gets into what Darius
[37:05]
touched on a little bit. So, we did
[37:07]
receive an email from finance committee
[37:09]
that had a request for the school budget
[37:13]
to grow at a maximum of 2 and a.5%
[37:17]
including the cost of health insurance
[37:19]
for school employees.
[37:22]
>> We're going to break that down a little
[37:23]
bit further, but I'm going to let you
[37:25]
process that for a minute. This is
[37:27]
atypical. the school elementary school
[37:30]
budgets, none of them have ever covered
[37:32]
the cost of health insurance for school
[37:34]
employees. I think the town is seeing
[37:37]
like Frontier is hundreds of thousand
[37:39]
dollars of growth in health insurance
[37:42]
between this year's impact and next
[37:44]
year's impact. And um we don't believe
[37:47]
that the school's the only one that is
[37:49]
asked to look at things this way. From
[37:51]
the email with Julie, she sort of
[37:53]
alluded that they're taking this
[37:55]
approach with everyone. We also
[37:57]
recognize that it's probably worst case
[37:58]
scenario, but we wanted to have that
[38:00]
conversation and see what that actually
[38:02]
looks like. Anything to add before I
[38:04]
keep going?
[38:06]
>> Okay, so what does this look like? Let's
[38:08]
break it down. So 2 and a half% growth
[38:11]
over fiscal year 26 is only $160,000.
[38:15]
Where does that come from? So, the town
[38:18]
told us that in 2026, school employee
[38:21]
health insurance costs $913,000
[38:25]
plus our dees operating budget from the
[38:27]
current year of 5.5 million would mean
[38:30]
that the total cost to fund the school
[38:32]
for health insurance and budget is $6.4
[38:34]
million.
[38:36]
20 2.5% on top of that is where we get
[38:39]
the 160,000.
[38:41]
So, if we add that to the 6.4 4 million.
[38:45]
Our maximum budget could be $6.5 million
[38:48]
including health insurance. Does this
[38:51]
make sense?
[38:52]
>> The next page I think explains it when
[38:54]
you
[38:54]
>> Go ahead.
[38:57]
>> So what does that mean? the cost of
[39:00]
projected health insurance for next
[39:02]
year. If we take the 913,000
[39:06]
plus what we're projecting for a 20%
[39:08]
increase, we're looking at almost $1.1
[39:10]
million in health insurance costs for
[39:12]
school employees alone. Maximum school
[39:15]
budget just outlined on the slide before
[39:17]
was 6.5. Let's deduct the health
[39:20]
insurance that they're saying we have to
[39:22]
include. What does that leave us
[39:24]
remaining for our budget? We would have
[39:26]
um 5.4 4 million. Our FY26 budget was
[39:30]
5.5 million. So, we would be starting in
[39:33]
a deficit.
[39:35]
We've talked about that reduced budget,
[39:37]
which was adding rural aid, reducing a
[39:40]
sixth grade classroom, and an additional
[39:42]
$185,000 in staffing comes in at 5.6.
[39:47]
We would need, if the town pushed us on
[39:49]
this and said that this is what has to
[39:51]
proceed, we would be looking at
[39:53]
additional budget cuts of $187,000
[39:56]
on top of the cuts that we've already
[39:59]
talked about.
[40:02]
So, I wrote a snippy email back because
[40:05]
I could read that really quickly that we
[40:07]
were going to be upside down just in
[40:09]
request alone because we knew it was
[40:11]
about 2.7%
[40:13]
increase alone would be health
[40:14]
insurance. I just made that number up on
[40:16]
the spot, but when I wrote back and
[40:19]
Julie kind of wrote back like, I
[40:21]
understand that, but that's the request
[40:23]
we're putting out there. And so, you
[40:25]
know, you guys do what you got to do on
[40:27]
your end of doing your work, but that
[40:28]
was kind of there. So, um,
[40:33]
there's they're trying to figure out
[40:35]
what they're going to do, all that
[40:36]
information. So, talking about the
[40:38]
budget process, right? So, the cherry
[40:40]
sheets and such, the governor's budget
[40:41]
gets released on Friday, Friday morning.
[40:44]
Um, and then so all the towns will know
[40:45]
what they have for monies coming in. And
[40:48]
so, it's kind of like the what the games
[40:50]
begin at that point. Everybody's got
[40:51]
their cards up and kind of trying to
[40:53]
figure out what's coming and going. um
[40:55]
the cards kind of get put on the table
[40:56]
after Friday, including Frontier. So,
[40:59]
Frontier is kind of the um waiting to
[41:02]
see what the assessments are because
[41:03]
when Frontier sits around the table, it
[41:05]
also has a um huge increase due to
[41:09]
health insurance. And to put it in
[41:11]
perspective,
[41:13]
Frontier increases its budget by around
[41:17]
$300,000 a year, between $300,000 and
[41:19]
$350,000 a year. insurance alone before
[41:23]
anything else is half a million.
[41:26]
So the assessment the the cost of the
[41:28]
towns is is closer their increase is
[41:31]
closer to a million overall. I mean the
[41:33]
frontiers increase in budget right now
[41:34]
is closer to a million. We haven't done
[41:36]
any work on that budget yet because we
[41:38]
haven't tried to bring that down through
[41:40]
reductions which is probably going to
[41:41]
have to be the case. Um, and I've had
[41:43]
conversations with frontier staff about
[41:45]
the fact that they meant to have
[41:46]
reductions um when they start reading
[41:48]
about it, but
[41:50]
um we had to wait until we see what the
[41:52]
assessment numbers are because you don't
[41:54]
know how it's going to affect the town.
[41:55]
So you can go cutting hundreds of
[41:57]
thousands still the assessments can be
[41:58]
very high. It's it's an interesting
[42:00]
assessment is a whole different game in
[42:01]
budgeting. So there's a re that's why
[42:03]
we're p that's why Frontier hasn't come
[42:05]
out with a more has not gone into the
[42:08]
work of how it's going to get its budget
[42:10]
down is because it wants to see how it
[42:11]
reflects the assessment. So we'll have
[42:13]
that information on Friday. So
[42:15]
everything's going to kind of heat up on
[42:17]
Friday and I've had some side
[42:19]
conversations with you know um town
[42:22]
government and the question of what are
[42:26]
they going to do? How much money do they
[42:28]
have? Um the town of Deerfield does have
[42:30]
a lot of issues because they've been
[42:32]
funding a lot of things out of um free
[42:36]
cash instead of putting it on budget and
[42:38]
just kind of depending on free cash
[42:39]
every year. It's a bad process to be in.
[42:42]
So
[42:43]
um they are talking about when do they
[42:45]
straighten that out? Is this year to do
[42:47]
it because everybody's going to get hit
[42:48]
by insurance. The insurance numbers are
[42:50]
also coming out shortly at sometime in
[42:53]
the next week or two. So we'll have an
[42:54]
idea of what the we've been putting
[42:57]
placeholders in. we'll have an idea what
[42:59]
the exact ask is going to be. Um so
[43:03]
all that kind of happening at once. So
[43:06]
um
[43:08]
>> essentially if they needed us to push
[43:10]
this forward we're cutting it's not even
[43:12]
level funding which we've done in the
[43:14]
past where we've funded at the same year
[43:17]
from the prior year same amount from the
[43:19]
prior year. We it requires
[43:22]
>> for also so let's go through the process
[43:24]
for and Mary you can help me out too
[43:26]
because you've done this quite a bit. Um
[43:28]
but so let's understand the process
[43:31]
right so the way they the reason why
[43:32]
school committee is separate in the
[43:34]
state of Massachusetts is so that
[43:36]
schools don't get chopped up without
[43:37]
review and so let's say you say it's
[43:42]
unreasonable for us to pick up a health
[43:44]
insurance in that same year and we meet
[43:46]
with the town we have conversations next
[43:48]
thing will be you know we're going to
[43:50]
send our preliminary budget over um at
[43:52]
some point um we'll probably hint it
[43:55]
over this is where we're kind of playing
[43:56]
around with trying to get their
[43:57]
feedback, let them get a kind of test of
[43:59]
water. And let's say they come back and
[44:01]
they say, "No, this is absolutely we're
[44:03]
going to go two and a half and
[44:04]
absolutely you're paying for insurance
[44:06]
this year." Okay, you can still bring
[44:09]
forward a budget where you believe is
[44:12]
correct. Okay, but you won't have the
[44:15]
endorsement of the finance committee,
[44:16]
>> right?
[44:18]
>> And the question is, will you get the
[44:19]
endorsement? You get the two votes when
[44:21]
you go to town meeting, right? You have
[44:22]
the finance committee and then you also
[44:23]
have the select board. So, who's going
[44:25]
to endorse and who's not?
[44:28]
They get to put the number on the
[44:31]
warrant, but you can make a you show up
[44:35]
prepared with a sheet of paper and
[44:36]
handouts for everybody as to why you're
[44:38]
going to increase it on town meeting
[44:40]
floor because this is what you know blah blah blah blah. So, it's a very
[44:44]
hard to do, but is I'm just explaining
[44:46]
what the process is is. You don't have
[44:48]
to absolutely listen to um the finance
[44:51]
committee, but we in our best interest
[44:52]
of working together. Um you know,
[44:56]
if we reduce the budget by this much
[44:58]
this year, the question is what happens
[45:00]
next year because we're going to get
[45:02]
hit. They're saying that the insurance
[45:04]
problem is is several years in the
[45:06]
making. So before it's going to come
[45:08]
before we're going to pull out of this
[45:09]
kind of nose dive with insurance. So how
[45:11]
far do you decimate the school budget
[45:14]
and start taking away programming and then you know what are those
[45:17]
effects? You know those are the
[45:19]
conversations we have to have with the
[45:22]
town. We don't know the rest of their
[45:24]
finances. I have no idea where the
[45:25]
police is coming in. I have no idea
[45:26]
where fight I have no idea where their
[45:28]
asks are and so forth. So
[45:32]
there is talk that we you know we are
[45:35]
and a conversation that we have to have
[45:37]
at the town is how we use school choice.
[45:41]
So we built up a reserve of school
[45:42]
choice of you know close to a million
[45:44]
dollars, right? And we've been hovering
[45:47]
around that million dollar mark by not
[45:50]
spending too much more than we're taking
[45:52]
in um and
[45:56]
by and keeping it there as reserve. So
[45:58]
if something comes up, so let's say we
[46:00]
have an added district placement that
[46:01]
shows up, okay, this just happened in
[46:03]
one of our communities and all of a
[46:05]
sudden we got to find $110,000 in the
[46:07]
middle of the year. If we don't have
[46:09]
school choice reserve, then the school
[46:11]
committee has to go to the select board
[46:12]
and ask them to take it out of free cash
[46:14]
>> and then they have to do and then if
[46:16]
they have it in free cash, that kind of
[46:17]
thing. So there is that kind of level of
[46:19]
protection and we started using it
[46:21]
toward capital projects instead of
[46:22]
offsetting the budget.
[46:24]
The question is that they think may
[46:26]
think that we're sitting on too much
[46:28]
money and so the question would be well
[46:30]
how do we bring that number down to what
[46:31]
they think it should be at. I would say
[46:34]
that you know we should be definitely
[46:36]
carrying what I call a year in the rear
[46:40]
in a sense that we should always have
[46:43]
the amount of money we're spending this
[46:45]
year into next year's budget so that
[46:47]
you're never caught
[46:49]
and we have you know much more than
[46:51]
that. Um
[46:53]
it's a question about how you do
[46:54]
finances. Does the school you know
[46:57]
should a school pay down and then go to
[46:59]
the town for money or you know school
[47:02]
choices is an interesting thing because
[47:04]
the way it developed not every school
[47:06]
has this problem. Um in fact most
[47:09]
schools don't most schools are upside
[47:10]
down.
[47:11]
>> They may not have this problem
[47:12]
>> and and once you burn it down it's gone.
[47:14]
And our
[47:15]
as you see we used to be in three
[47:17]
sections. Remember we we made conscious
[47:18]
decisions to reduce the amount of school
[47:20]
choice revenue coming in because we're
[47:22]
reducing the number of students. So that
[47:25]
number is coming down. Um you know some
[47:29]
of the smart things that we did when you
[47:30]
build something like the den program you
[47:32]
could take a you know it's tuition or
[47:34]
school choice in but you can take those
[47:36]
in and get significant returns on
[47:38]
placements there. So building those
[47:40]
programs is very financially beneficial
[47:42]
to the school district. And so sometimes
[47:44]
like we get you get a jump in school
[47:46]
choice like I didn't realize that well
[47:47]
we had a student come in we had
[47:49]
additional needs and we were able to
[47:50]
bill out for that kind of thing. So I
[47:52]
kind of kind of bouncing all over the
[47:53]
place but um I I did hear that the
[47:57]
question is well how much school choice
[47:58]
do you have? And that's the one of the
[48:00]
questions that will be asked of us and
[48:02]
so I want people to understand that
[48:03]
school choice number kind of where it's
[48:06]
at. We were going to with the spending
[48:08]
on the playground that number at the end
[48:10]
of year would be roughly envelope
[48:13]
numbers.
[48:15]
>> It depends on what happens with the
[48:17]
playground project. Originally the
[48:19]
placeholder was about 150,000 but it was
[48:21]
going to be over multiple years because
[48:23]
we were going to do multiple phases. I'm
[48:26]
not even sure 150,000 is going to cover
[48:28]
the existing plan for the first phase.
[48:30]
So, if we have a million dollars and we
[48:33]
go forward with all the playground
[48:35]
renovations and we spend 400,000 or
[48:38]
300,000, you know, the math is pretty
[48:40]
easy, 6 or 700,000. But two things, one,
[48:45]
Darius said this really quickly,
[48:48]
we're already exceeding revenue coming
[48:50]
in. Our revenue coming in, for simple
[48:53]
math, let's say it's 200,000. Our
[48:55]
expenses going out are 350. We're
[48:57]
overspending as it stands. And if you
[49:00]
can flip back to the enrollment slide,
[49:05]
while our class sizes are less than 20
[49:07]
each, we could blow these up and have
[49:09]
Tina take in a lot more students, but it
[49:12]
changes what our community looks like,
[49:13]
especially if we're talking about
[49:14]
reducing services.
[49:17]
But more importantly, what I want to
[49:18]
point out is
[49:21]
the next couple of grades have some
[49:23]
larger numbers, six, eight, nine in
[49:27]
first grade. Once those kids graduate
[49:30]
out, you're not going to be able to
[49:31]
backfill kindergarten with six or eight
[49:34]
more new students. You have to have room
[49:36]
for your resident enrollment. So, our
[49:38]
school choice numbers are naturally
[49:40]
going to decline. Two reasons. One,
[49:43]
we've reduced our sections and you won't
[49:46]
be able to take in as many new students
[49:48]
as you're pushing out. So, right now, as
[49:51]
it stands, we're exceeding revenue by
[49:53]
$150,000.
[49:55]
revenue is going to continue to come
[49:57]
down. We can backfill three
[50:00]
eight or nine not probably doable.
[50:03]
>> Well, and it's not smart. Well, there's
[50:06]
lots of ways to do finances, but it
[50:08]
seems the less responsible to put wages
[50:11]
on school choice and revolving funds,
[50:13]
right? So, and the biggest percentage of
[50:16]
our cost is wages,
[50:18]
>> right? So,
[50:19]
>> just transitioning to that to draw pock
[50:21]
down means we're still going to have a
[50:23]
budget problem.
[50:24]
>> Correct. So if we're if we're we're
[50:27]
drawing so let's say we we move forward
[50:28]
with the playground project right that's
[50:30]
our kind of wheels in motion and so now
[50:31]
we're at $700,000 right so we got seven
[50:34]
years before we're out of money right I
[50:36]
mean it's reloadings
[50:38]
>> as well but it it's you know you're
[50:40]
going to bring that down and then you'd
[50:42]
have to eventually
[50:43]
>> last that long but okay
[50:44]
>> okay so it's not going to last that long
[50:46]
but then you're going to have to go to
[50:47]
the town to make up for
[50:50]
this you know we were spending you know
[50:52]
as we as we saw in that budget line what
[50:54]
page is that Wait, before you go off of
[50:55]
that slide,
[51:00]
finish your thought and come back.
[51:05]
» Where's the number of No, that's wrong.
[51:09]
Sorry.
[51:13]
Where's the uh
[51:16]
>> total budget?
[51:18]
>> Right here. I mean, so we're already
[51:20]
This is what we're spending.
[51:23]
>> Yep. within the budget of school choice
[51:26]
revenue as it is. So, so we are
[51:28]
offsetting it. So, it gets to be a
[51:29]
dangerous game. I think it's safer. So,
[51:32]
if we So,
[51:35]
the other way of kind of playing with
[51:36]
the it's all about like shifting numbers
[51:38]
and and shifting kind of risk within the
[51:41]
budget. And so, I would argue with the
[51:43]
finance committee, okay, we'll reduce
[51:46]
the budget here and then I will ask the
[51:48]
town for a warrant to pay for the
[51:50]
playground. So you'll just take from
[51:52]
free cash instead of offsetting a
[51:54]
budget. You're going to take from free
[51:56]
cash to take care instead of we were
[51:58]
kind of handling the house and using our
[51:59]
money conservatively in the sense of so
[52:02]
it's just about like where you kind of
[52:04]
put the money and take the money. Um
[52:08]
but essentially
[52:11]
it's just it's that kind of level of
[52:12]
risk and do they want the school to hold
[52:15]
the protection
[52:18]
within its own budget? Right? And so we
[52:20]
haven't gone to the town for bailouts,
[52:22]
for transportation midyear, for
[52:25]
placements midyear, for you know those
[52:28]
kind of things. We've been able to
[52:29]
handle all that in house. So
[52:33]
>> and subsidizing capital projects
[52:35]
>> and we've had decent and we've had very
[52:38]
good budgets. So I'd be curious as to
[52:40]
like why are you messing with the stew?
[52:42]
Do you know what I mean? Like you got a
[52:43]
good good group running a solid thing.
[52:45]
But
[52:46]
>> I'd love to hear their their opinions on
[52:50]
Maybe they aren't trying to go there.
[52:51]
Maybe I'm reading into it. Maybe they're
[52:53]
um you know, maybe the two and a half
[52:55]
coming out there is saying, you know,
[52:56]
we're in a slight panic and you know,
[52:59]
we're putting this out there to see what
[53:00]
it takes to get there so that everybody
[53:02]
looks seriously at their budgets, you
[53:04]
know, and so um I've had two and a
[53:06]
half.99.
[53:09]
>> That's like very good face. Yeah. Right.
[53:12]
At least on
[53:13]
>> and they don't know where we we're
[53:14]
starting from. They they don't have all
[53:15]
the information. there's an information
[53:17]
imbalance which is really and I don't
[53:19]
know where they are. So that's the
[53:20]
problem with it's the positive and
[53:22]
negative within schools and that's why
[53:23]
they do it this way is so that you build
[53:26]
your budget based on the needs of the
[53:28]
children of the community not on city
[53:31]
hall's needs right and so that you don't
[53:33]
get police versus school fire let's go
[53:36]
prettier fire versus school you know
[53:38]
what I mean like so you don't have those
[53:39]
two departments going after each other
[53:41]
you have that's why you have this kind
[53:43]
of separate that's why they set up in my
[53:45]
opinion why they set up Massachusetts
[53:46]
that way with the oversight of the
[53:47]
school committee So,
[53:49]
>> can we go back to enrollment for a
[53:51]
second? Because I I just want to make
[53:53]
another point that if you're getting
[53:54]
questions, it's up
[53:57]
>> back.
[54:00]
>> Yeah. What does up mean?
[54:01]
>> Yeah. One more.
[54:05]
>> So, I know I get this question a lot and
[54:07]
it comes up more at Frontier than
[54:09]
Deerfield, but it's definitely come up
[54:10]
on town meeting floor is, you know, why
[54:12]
do you have school choice kids? You
[54:14]
know, they're bringing in some money,
[54:15]
but we're paying teachers. Look at our
[54:18]
resident numbers. You could not have I
[54:20]
mean I guess we could but it would be
[54:22]
complete woe to our community. You could
[54:24]
have one classroom of 31 students.
[54:27]
But likely even if we did not have those
[54:29]
school choice numbers, we're still
[54:31]
having two sections with the exception
[54:33]
of probably first grade still having two
[54:36]
sections.
[54:38]
>> We're not paying for staffing. We're
[54:41]
using school choice funds to help offset
[54:44]
the budget, but we're not paying
[54:45]
staffing specifically for school choice
[54:48]
students, right? I think that's a really
[54:50]
good distinction for everyone to
[54:52]
understand when you're having
[54:53]
conversations with the public,
[54:55]
>> right? And we made that decision last
[54:57]
year on this one as that we were going
[54:59]
to do that to keep consistency to across
[55:01]
and hope to backfill that with choice.
[55:03]
So that class a little bit smaller. I
[55:05]
mean we've what we've run into other
[55:07]
towns as well is it's also the starting
[55:09]
number of the class and then we've seen
[55:11]
kids leave
[55:13]
like you lose the free resident kids are
[55:15]
like wait a minute why are you sub you
[55:16]
know this is particularly we're talking
[55:18]
about like Sunderland has this issue
[55:20]
because they have two you have two
[55:21]
sections as well in some of their
[55:23]
classes and it's like wait a minute you
[55:24]
could have ran that class with residents
[55:26]
alone why'd you add choice well when we
[55:29]
opened and we started the class the
[55:30]
class was at 26 four kids left and now
[55:33]
it's at 20 you know 22 two, we could
[55:35]
have done that, but we've already once
[55:37]
those students are in your school, you
[55:38]
can't say, "Oh, we we don't want you
[55:40]
this year, you know." No, once you you
[55:42]
make that decision, we make a decision.
[55:44]
Not so much here. I'm just kind of
[55:45]
bringing that out loud when you look at
[55:46]
other um schools that have done that.
[55:49]
>> So, we really should be looking at a
[55:52]
plan to get expenses off of school
[55:54]
choice, not adding expenses to school
[55:57]
choice because we're going to need a
[55:58]
multi-year plan as the revenue. And I
[56:01]
can try to do some bigger projections
[56:03]
for us that would show, you know, if the
[56:06]
school choice kids age out and we don't
[56:08]
backfill all of them, what does that
[56:10]
look like for revenue? What the, you
[56:12]
know, assume a 3% growth on cola for the
[56:15]
next five years? What does that look
[56:16]
like for wages? I don't think it's even
[56:19]
going to be seven before we're at a
[56:21]
point, you know, and and maybe that's
[56:23]
part of our conversation is, oh, let's
[56:24]
deal with it down the road. Right now is
[56:27]
what we really need to tackle and focus
[56:28]
on. but it wouldn't be my recommended
[56:31]
approach and you know we just have to
[56:33]
strike the right balance with that.
[56:38]
» So are other town departments
[56:41]
also taking on their employees health
[56:44]
insurance? I don't know.
[56:46]
>> We don't know.
[56:46]
>> I don't know.
[56:50]
» Trying to remember said
[56:53]
>> just looking up the email right now
[56:54]
because I kind of
[56:57]
» um
[57:00]
>> so if we look at this from a m and I'm
[57:02]
sorry we're Mary's question wasn't
[57:06]
answered. you're looking at.
[57:07]
>> She's looking down.
[57:08]
>> It does not mention any other
[57:10]
departments in the
[57:12]
>> because if we're looking at a scale down
[57:15]
>> and less of reliance on school choice,
[57:17]
we really need to make steeper cuts. if
[57:20]
we're looking at a multi-year
[57:22]
perspective to get that to get the
[57:24]
expenses down even more because if if
[57:27]
health insurance is a multi-year issue
[57:30]
and we're going to be eating away at the
[57:32]
pot of school choice knowing that that's
[57:34]
not going to be growing anymore, we're
[57:36]
looking at steeper cuts over the next
[57:38]
two, three years. I think in the current
[57:40]
year if we can pull together what we've
[57:43]
presented today to make the reductions
[57:45]
of the sixth grade classroom and then
[57:47]
the other 185,000 and if the town
[57:49]
doesn't ask us to come to that 2 and a
[57:51]
half% we're okay with school choice
[57:53]
where it is right now and we can use
[57:55]
some of it to offset the playground. I
[57:57]
think if we can't pull together the
[58:01]
185,000 in additional cuts and the town
[58:04]
asks us to bring it down another
[58:06]
185,000.
[58:08]
We do have a bigger school choice
[58:10]
problem.
[58:11]
But yes, to your point, two, three, the
[58:14]
next two, three, four years, we're going
[58:16]
to have to start pulling expenses off,
[58:19]
>> especially if we're using
[58:21]
>> it's coming
[58:21]
>> three to 400,000 for the playground.
[58:25]
>> And I would not get into the well, let's
[58:27]
cut more now to save later. It never
[58:29]
seems to work. You know what I mean?
[58:31]
Because it just gets back filled with
[58:32]
other
[58:32]
>> No, I'm just thinking if we're looking
[58:34]
at an issue of scale, which it seems
[58:35]
like we are, like what what the our
[58:38]
supply and demand is out of whack. It's
[58:40]
getting out of whack. And so
[58:44]
trying to understand what this means for
[58:45]
the identity and the land and and kind
[58:48]
of defining what the school is and who
[58:49]
we serve and what our objectives are. I
[58:51]
think just trying to understand that
[58:54]
this is just helpful to to let that
[58:56]
stew. Um,
[59:02]
» so I think as far as school choice goes,
[59:05]
I think the first step would be we come
[59:09]
back next month and say these are the
[59:11]
positions slashservices that we're
[59:13]
looking to cut. And we have that
[59:15]
discussion as to whether or not we're
[59:17]
willing and you're willing as a
[59:18]
committee to make those reductions. And
[59:21]
if not, then we're talking about using
[59:23]
school choice money to fund them because
[59:25]
we do need to bring the budget down. The
[59:27]
bottom line, whether it is in reduced
[59:29]
positions or using a supplement fund.
[59:32]
>> And just to jump on that, so the
[59:34]
timeline is we come into the February
[59:38]
meeting and we're going to make a budget
[59:40]
that we're sending to public hearing on
[59:42]
March 11th,
[59:43]
>> two weeks later.
[59:44]
So, um that's why we
[59:46]
thought it was important to have this
[59:47]
here to kind of kind of mle it over and
[59:49]
you know um and so forth that kind of
[59:52]
where things are at um how and how we
[59:56]
get there. Then it goes to public
[59:57]
hearing. You still can change it again
[1:00:00]
after public hearing you can bring it
[1:00:02]
down and you just can't increase it. Um,
[1:00:04]
but between now and February, you know,
[1:00:08]
after this meeting, I'm going to reach
[1:00:10]
out to both finance and and select board
[1:00:13]
and say, do is there going to be a
[1:00:15]
meeting of the minds of the budget once
[1:00:17]
they we get it on Friday um from the
[1:00:21]
state so we all have kind of, you know,
[1:00:23]
we're playing with um about what we want
[1:00:26]
to do there. And so there may be
[1:00:28]
maybe there might be another meeting
[1:00:30]
getting on the books about a joint
[1:00:31]
meeting where um to have that
[1:00:34]
conversation
[1:00:35]
even before the public hearing rather
[1:00:37]
than doing an isolation because we
[1:00:41]
because I don't have the answer of you
[1:00:44]
know this number we can make work or
[1:00:48]
you know they're going to say you know
[1:00:49]
you need to bring that down further and
[1:00:51]
then so forth. So that's kind of like
[1:00:54]
the next step. It's a little it's a
[1:00:55]
little foggy. It's not clearly defined
[1:00:58]
exactly how it because on good years
[1:01:00]
they never bug us. You know what I mean?
[1:01:02]
Like when we said when we said, you
[1:01:04]
know, two and three over before, they're
[1:01:06]
like, "Thank you. That's that's great.
[1:01:08]
That's, you know, normal growth."
[1:01:10]
>> So, if you go back to that last slide,
[1:01:12]
just to recap what we're sort of still
[1:01:15]
deliberating.
[1:01:22]
Sorry, I can't go faster then.
[1:01:30]
» So, we'll continue to review
[1:01:33]
internal suggestions for cuts
[1:01:35]
administratively.
[1:01:37]
Darius and I will continue conversations
[1:01:39]
with town officials. We will know better
[1:01:42]
the impact of Frontier's budget on the
[1:01:45]
town of Deerfield in the next week.
[1:01:48]
and then we come back next month.
[1:01:52]
>> Right.
[1:01:55]
>> So, you'll have to have input though or
[1:01:57]
conversations with the town
[1:02:00]
because with the way you just outlined
[1:02:02]
it when you come back next month,
[1:02:05]
it's not going to include taking on the
[1:02:08]
health insurance.
[1:02:10]
Well,
[1:02:10]
>> the way it stands, the way it stands
[1:02:12]
today, the way you know, the way you
[1:02:14]
just presented, unless there's some
[1:02:16]
conversation, which I think we should be
[1:02:18]
part of.
[1:02:18]
>> Yeah. I don't think
[1:02:21]
um
[1:02:23]
I don't think that
[1:02:26]
the letter that I got was not I don't it
[1:02:29]
was
[1:02:32]
not I'm not sure we're going to suddenly
[1:02:34]
change the structure of financing the
[1:02:36]
school and its benefits if the finance
[1:02:40]
community can just do that and I'm and
[1:02:42]
you know and I without much without that
[1:02:44]
conversation with this group we also
[1:02:46]
without the conversation with select
[1:02:47]
board I don't know where the authority
[1:02:48]
lies But it's set up that we don't
[1:02:50]
oversee that.
[1:02:52]
>> And so to suddenly say, "Oh, it's a high
[1:02:54]
year now. You get to oversee it."
[1:02:57]
>> You know, I I can see the pluses and
[1:02:58]
minuses of the overseeing it. And all
[1:03:01]
the elementarymentaries are set up the
[1:03:02]
same way. So, um, so you're you're right
[1:03:06]
on that. And so I'm not
[1:03:09]
I want to say I'm not entertaining
[1:03:10]
completely. I want to have a bigger
[1:03:11]
conversation on that. Um and
[1:03:17]
we you know we end up going to public
[1:03:18]
hearing with a higher budget than we
[1:03:19]
come to public hearing with a higher
[1:03:20]
budget. We have a little bit more
[1:03:21]
flexibility
[1:03:24]
although the timeline's going to get
[1:03:25]
really tight after that March
[1:03:27]
you know. Great
[1:03:28]
>> because I think they are last Monday in
[1:03:31]
April for town meeting and they have to
[1:03:33]
have their budget I think done a month
[1:03:35]
before I posted in the warrant
[1:03:38]
>> two weeks right
[1:03:39]
>> two weeks.
[1:03:40]
>> Yeah.
[1:03:42]
But they're going to want they're going
[1:03:43]
to want to go here. But I'm just saying
[1:03:44]
the smaller town sometimes go two weeks.
[1:03:46]
>> They can fiddle around up to then.
[1:03:47]
>> How long does it take to get bids for
[1:03:49]
the playground? Like that does seem like
[1:03:50]
we need to understand numbers and what
[1:03:53]
that would do to school choice and for
[1:03:54]
the finance committee to see that it's
[1:03:56]
actually not 800 something thousand.
[1:03:58]
It's going to
[1:04:00]
>> even if we posted even if we had it in
[1:04:02]
the queue to go ahead and do it, we
[1:04:04]
wouldn't have the numbers.
[1:04:05]
>> Yeah.
[1:04:06]
>> It takes like 90 days
[1:04:08]
>> at least.
[1:04:09]
So, you know, if we look to
[1:04:13]
get an idea,
[1:04:15]
you know, February, it's a it's a
[1:04:17]
relatively small job just in in a scope
[1:04:20]
of things of contractors. They'll be in
[1:04:22]
and out in just I would say a few days.
[1:04:24]
Um,
[1:04:28]
» the problem is is we're mandated by Mass
[1:04:30]
General law to post things for a certain
[1:04:32]
length of time and then you have to
[1:04:34]
provide opportunities for questions,
[1:04:37]
site visits, and some of the behind the
[1:04:39]
scenes work that still would have to be
[1:04:41]
done between the engineer and us and the
[1:04:44]
person helping us put the package
[1:04:46]
together. Like that can be lengthy just
[1:04:49]
to get the bid documents ready. So,
[1:04:52]
>> I mean 60 days would be really hard.
[1:04:54]
It's 90s more realistic.
[1:05:00]
» Well, I'm reluctant to spend on school
[1:05:03]
choice too quickly.
[1:05:07]
I don't you know, if we go back to the
[1:05:09]
town, here's our budget 3%. We're
[1:05:11]
sitting on 800,000 in school choice.
[1:05:16]
I don't that doesn't feel like we're
[1:05:18]
showing them that we're operating in
[1:05:19]
good faith there. So is it we're saying
[1:05:21]
we're committing to spending certain
[1:05:23]
amount of the playground which are our
[1:05:25]
best guess is
[1:05:28]
even then though even if it's half of
[1:05:30]
that the playground
[1:05:32]
I just feel like the town is still going
[1:05:34]
to feel we're not doing enough out of
[1:05:37]
school choice. There's you know based on
[1:05:38]
conversations I've heard from them last
[1:05:39]
year I know there's some people who feel
[1:05:41]
that it shouldn't be as high as it is.
[1:05:47]
>> Yeah it's been that way for years. We've
[1:05:49]
gotten the questions on school choice
[1:05:51]
and how much money do you have and why
[1:05:52]
are you
[1:05:54]
>> um sitting
[1:05:54]
>> punished for saving
[1:05:57]
>> well preparing for a very potentially
[1:05:59]
costly. So, the good news is we could
[1:06:01]
use this savings to to leverage us out
[1:06:03]
of this moment with the decisions we
[1:06:05]
make, but it's going to leave us
[1:06:07]
empty-handed.
[1:06:08]
>> If it's offset wages, though, it's just
[1:06:10]
going to be bigger, which we went
[1:06:12]
through when we did when we ended up
[1:06:15]
producing three positions the last time.
[1:06:18]
you know the we talked about school
[1:06:22]
choice to offset budget but then the
[1:06:23]
next year it would be like a triple
[1:06:26]
>> problem instead of just like
[1:06:28]
>> I think we need to kind of prepare some
[1:06:32]
um just putting some visuals about what
[1:06:34]
it what does it what does it look like
[1:06:35]
and what is what is our already
[1:06:39]
um track that we're on that is slowly
[1:06:43]
depleting school choice right and what
[1:06:46]
is the you know is it a five or sixth
[1:06:49]
year based on whatever you know as Shel
[1:06:51]
said earlier that she put something like
[1:06:52]
that possible together to say this is
[1:06:54]
what this is what we're seeing right and
[1:06:57]
share that information you know I mean I
[1:07:00]
think it's about it really is about um
[1:07:03]
you having you know not having all the
[1:07:06]
information
[1:07:07]
>> and I don't I don't think
[1:07:10]
everyone understands how much an out of
[1:07:12]
district placement can cost and that we
[1:07:14]
have to provide it like it is not a
[1:07:16]
choice we can do our best to serve in
[1:07:19]
house, but there may be a situation
[1:07:21]
where legally we need to spend $150,000
[1:07:24]
in a year to place somebody.
[1:07:27]
>> I think we can easily demonstrate also
[1:07:29]
how revenue has already come down over
[1:07:31]
the last few years, but expenses have
[1:07:33]
not. So, yeah, there's there's
[1:07:36]
definitely some materials we can put
[1:07:37]
together for the town to help better
[1:07:39]
understand.
[1:07:40]
>> Yeah. Or an easy way to show the town
[1:07:42]
how much we would have had to ask for
[1:07:43]
them
[1:07:44]
>> if we didn't have a school choice
[1:07:45]
budget.
[1:07:46]
>> Great. Yeah.
[1:07:48]
it gets it gets slippery because
[1:07:54]
it's like what is the staffing need in
[1:07:56]
this building if you reduce it by that
[1:07:57]
number of students? And if you look at
[1:07:59]
those classrooms, you'll see where you
[1:08:01]
need two sections of all that, but
[1:08:03]
there's a lot of whatifs in there. And
[1:08:05]
so you can have a blank, you can have a
[1:08:08]
kind of like a this is an envelope
[1:08:10]
number, but they'd have to take it in
[1:08:12]
good faith rather than if someone could just kind of Yeah, but you
[1:08:16]
could do this and you can move this and
[1:08:17]
you only need you only need one nurse
[1:08:18]
and you only need one, you know, this
[1:08:20]
based on in you don't actually know the
[1:08:23]
needs of
[1:08:26]
» I was thinking, you can't really go off
[1:08:28]
in enrollment numbers. You have to look
[1:08:30]
at the kids in front of you,
[1:08:32]
>> right? But at a minimum our resident
[1:08:34]
members
[1:08:35]
>> if nothing else. I mean could we reduce
[1:08:37]
at that point related service providers
[1:08:40]
because it's less students. Could we
[1:08:42]
reduce specials? Like those are the
[1:08:43]
kinds of things we would be looking at.
[1:08:45]
But you're not really reducing your
[1:08:47]
grade level teachers or your
[1:08:49]
instructional assistants.
[1:08:51]
And it
[1:08:55]
all and it gets to this weird kind of
[1:08:58]
thing like every other ele school would
[1:09:03]
love this problem.
[1:09:05]
You have too much school choice. We're writing a check to you before we
[1:09:12]
do our budget because the amount of
[1:09:13]
school choice we have going out. And so
[1:09:15]
the fact that it's kind of like it's
[1:09:18]
there's this kind of um I don't know the
[1:09:21]
Most people don't who are talking illy
[1:09:24]
about school choice don't realize that
[1:09:26]
we are on top of it as a district. All
[1:09:29]
five towns are on top of it because we
[1:09:32]
are winning the school choice game.
[1:09:34]
Okay, it's a game that we didn't set up
[1:09:36]
the rules to and people are upset that
[1:09:37]
we're, you know, doing that game. But if
[1:09:40]
we were in the flip side, we'd be
[1:09:41]
saying, "Okay, the first thing in the
[1:09:43]
budget is we have to payundundred or
[1:09:45]
$500,000 to school choice and charter
[1:09:47]
going out and then um we're going to
[1:09:49]
start in a deficit and then we're going
[1:09:51]
to figure out how we're going to we're
[1:09:52]
going to cut teachers here to pay school
[1:09:54]
choice going out." Instead, we're we're
[1:09:56]
getting upset that you have understand
[1:09:57]
what the real argument is. You've saved
[1:09:59]
too much money
[1:10:02]
and put it on our taxpayers at 3% the
[1:10:04]
last few years.
[1:10:07]
You know what I mean?
[1:10:08]
your budget. It's not like, you know,
[1:10:09]
look at the other elementary schools
[1:10:10]
around us. They're 6 7 8 9 10 there. No
[1:10:14]
one is coming in under five around us
[1:10:16]
and elementary schools. And I'll have
[1:10:18]
all that information for the next
[1:10:19]
meeting, too, because you we're all
[1:10:20]
sharing that so people have an idea. The
[1:10:22]
fact that, you know, we're going to
[1:10:23]
propose something under five,
[1:10:25]
you know, it's just kind of I know
[1:10:27]
there's a get me fired up in that kind
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of thing. Like there's been very good um
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managing of our budgets and being
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fiscally responsible. Um
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>> I can also put together what we have
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paid for capital projects with school
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choice money that has saved the town and
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the taxpayers. So that is really
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importantly done some things there.
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>> Yep.
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>> My opinion at this point is I think
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there's a lot of work there's a lot of
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things you've taken off to bring the
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budget from 9.6 or 7 down to just a hair
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under three.
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I am comfortably moving forward with
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that at this point. I don't really have
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the stomach to at this point say we're
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doing two and a half percent minus
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health insurance.
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» So there's no um action by the committee
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tonight. Just kind of an understanding
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that this number we're at now. we will
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bring you a
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um the plan what the numbers what the
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185 represents
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and um you know look at school choice
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and the modeling of that. So we have
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that conversation and maybe it's um
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maybe we invite you know a conversation
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with the finance committee and select
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board invite members from each committee
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to come to that meeting so that you know
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I don't know I'm trying to feel you know
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we can fill out where they're at instead
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you know instead of doing a whole
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another meeting may that be a meeting
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they could come here and attend here
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with us they've done that in the past
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yearfield's been usually um those
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members have been pretty open to coming
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and talking about it and they'll have a
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better idea of their numbers as well.
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So, um
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I we'll see. Well, I'll work on all
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that. I mean, there's a possibility we
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might be moving meetings around and that
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kind of stuff where we may have to go to
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them earlier. Um and of course, I'll let
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you guys all know and either we formally
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make it a meeting or, you know, we go or
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you know, whatever the mix of the group
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is. So, um it's just that
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it's a lot of um
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yeah, there's a lot of crowded dates
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because you're not the only budget
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that's in upside down right now.
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So, Shel and I doing a lot of visiting
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to towns and having conversations with
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select boards and finance committees
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because um Sunderland's in very rough
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shape, very very rough shape. And
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Wheatley is in semi- rough shape.
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Conway's okay. They're announcing that's
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going to be somewhat palatable depending
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on where their health insurance and
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their town lands.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And then Frontier,
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some of their assessments might be
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crazy, too.
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>> So,
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>> and the other don't have that built too.
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I'm just thinking about the other
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>> What's that?
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>> Is there a tech school building?
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>> So, yeah. Wait. So, the tech school is
[1:13:18]
hard to put a put a it's hard to put a
[1:13:20]
finger on because they increase their
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budget, but because it's based on
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enrollment, we only see how it hits
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enrollment in each town. And while
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they're our school committee member and
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ours is is um Bob Decker is the school
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committee rep for town of Deerfield
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there. There's no real feedback loop and
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accountability to the tech school
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because there's so many right
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>> towns into it and they and they keep
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getting hit up and down based on their
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enrollment. So you know people like oh
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the tech school's up and they go you've
[1:13:51]
increased enrollment. Oh that makes
[1:13:52]
sense. Well they don't say well we've
[1:13:54]
increased it by 6% on top of enrollment.
[1:13:57]
They don't they don't really talk about
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that as much. The numbers just on the
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thing and it's usually oh Roman's down.
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You like tech Roman slightly up. Oh,
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goods are going there. That's great. You
[1:14:07]
know, I mean there's never really that
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kind of like how quickly is their budget
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going. Um I mean there is some
[1:14:13]
oversight, but just not at the town
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level where they're held accountable.
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>> There's rarely a question about the tax
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budget at any of our
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>> I don't think I've seen one in the nine
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years I've been here
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and nine times four because I go to all
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four towns.
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Thank you. Thank you for holding.
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>> All right.
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>> Okay. All right.
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So, the next thing So, we'll revisit
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next month.
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» I think so.
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Um
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this needs to appoint a member to
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superintendent uh subcommittee supery
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agreement. Um so a little over two years
[1:15:01]
ago starting three years ago um I think
[1:15:03]
the first time um we formed a
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subcommittee to write a superintendency
[1:15:09]
agreement which just formalized put into
[1:15:11]
place everything um that had been
[1:15:13]
happening with the four districts in
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frontier.
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um
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and it was uh approved two years ago. It
[1:15:21]
has a clause in there that says it will
[1:15:23]
be reviewed in two years. So here we
[1:15:25]
are. Uh so there'll be a subcommittee
[1:15:28]
putting one member from each committee.
[1:15:30]
Um and you know I don't think it's under
[1:15:31]
a huge time commitment and you know a
[1:15:34]
couple meetings maybe and then they'll
[1:15:35]
bring that back to the joint committees
[1:15:37]
to vote on any changes. Um I I can say
[1:15:42]
that we had the chair's meeting in
[1:15:43]
December and there was some feedback on
[1:15:45]
things that could be changed tweaked. So
[1:15:47]
there's some ideas to start with. So
[1:15:48]
you're not starting from scratch. So is
[1:15:50]
there anybody who would like to be part
[1:15:53]
of that?
[1:15:56]
» I would do it if no one wants to. So
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Mary, did I cut you off?
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» No. I think I should probably do it. I
[1:16:09]
was like, "This is sounding unfamiliar."
[1:16:10]
>> Yeah,
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>> I'm happy to do it. Okay.
[1:16:14]
>> Yeah, sure.
[1:16:16]
>> Yeah, makes sense. Probably.
[1:16:17]
>> Okay. All righty. I appoint to
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subcommittee.
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» Okay. All right. Reports. Uh I have no
[1:16:28]
report. They're a collaborative report.
[1:16:30]
>> Um the search committee put forward five
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candidates um for interview. one of
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which is extremely controversial and
[1:16:37]
have been receiving letters from
[1:16:39]
teachers union all around the area. Um
[1:16:42]
that's kind of where the collaborative
[1:16:44]
stands. They are still despite all of
[1:16:46]
their butts cuts, sorry. Um facing
[1:16:49]
pretty significant financial challenges.
[1:16:53]
So
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>> thank you.
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>> All right. Superintendent report.
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>> Um I had a really short report that I
[1:17:03]
emailed you. It included just a timeline
[1:17:05]
for the state budget to remind those how
[1:17:08]
that kind of that process works. And
[1:17:10]
then the other thing was the graduation
[1:17:13]
um the graduation council came forward
[1:17:16]
with its initial recommendations for
[1:17:18]
changing graduation requirements. Just
[1:17:20]
it's not obviously affect the
[1:17:21]
elementary, but you can see how that
[1:17:23]
trickles on. Um I've been asked to serve
[1:17:26]
on the committee to review the next
[1:17:28]
step. Um,
[1:17:31]
I think it was because I wrote really
[1:17:34]
bold statements in their survey they
[1:17:36]
sent us. Um, so I don't know if that's
[1:17:38]
good or bad. So, it's kind of sassy in
[1:17:40]
it. So, um, I'll let you know. So, I'll
[1:17:44]
have a little bit more knowledge about
[1:17:45]
what's going on in next steps. Um,
[1:17:49]
anyway,
[1:17:51]
that's what's going on there. So,
[1:17:55]
well, thanks for working on that.
[1:17:57]
>> Thank you for working on that.
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All right.
[1:18:03]
No one has any other business to go
[1:18:06]
over. I would be looking for a motion to
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>> adjourn.
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Second.
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>> All right. All in favor.
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>> All right. I vote meeting at 618.