[0:05] All right.

[0:12] » Good afternoon everyone and thank you for being here especially on a Saturday.

[0:17] Um I know logistically we were a little bit challenged with park council

[0:24] chambers. Fact is, I didn't want to sit there if we had 100 people show up and

[0:28] tell 15 people they couldn't commit the change.

[0:31] » So you can't hear

[0:39] this.

[0:43] » So I what I was saying was um the logistics we were trying to figure out

[0:48] because we have a capacity issue town hall. So if we would have had more than

[0:51] 85 people, we would have had to turn some folks away. We didn't want to do

[0:55] that. So, um, today is about sharing information, providing some clarity, and

[1:00] walking through a conceptual discussion regarding the property at 407 and

[1:04] Simmons Road, which we'll refer to from here on out as the direct retail

[1:08] partners development. Before we get started, I want to briefly outline how

[1:14] today will flow and also thank you for being here. First, a sincere thank you

[1:18] to Oak Chapel Bible Church for graciously allowing us to use their

[1:22] facility, especially during a very busy holiday season. We truly appreciate

[1:26] their hospitality and willingness to support this meeting. Today's discussion

[1:30] is conceptual. I'll begin with a few opening remarks as mayor, then we'll

[1:34] hand things over to the development team from direct retail partners. After their

[1:39] presentation, we'll allow time for highle conceptual questions and

[1:42] discussion. And out of respect for the church and their scheduled activities,

[1:47] we do need to conclude and exit the building prior to 300 p.m. And we

[1:51] appreciate everybody's help in keeping us on schedule.

[1:56] » Thanks.

[2:00] » Before we talk about any ideas for the future of this site, it's important to

[2:04] be very clear about where things stand today.

[2:08] This property is not currently zoned for commercial use and no zoning approvals

[2:13] have been granted. It remains primarily zoned act one and act two and any change

[2:18] no matter what the type of development would have to go through the full public

[2:23] process required by law. That includes formal applications, posted agendas,

[2:29] public hearings before the planning and zoning commission and final

[2:33] consideration by the town council. No previous mayor, council, or

[2:38] commission have approved commercial zoning for this property.

[2:43] Over the past several years, certainly the last five, and even earlier, there

[2:47] have been ongoing conversations at a high level about the long-term future of

[2:52] this land. Earlier this year, the family that owned

[2:56] the property contacted the town to explore selling it as a single track. In

[3:03] the past, it was always discussed that, well, maybe they're going to sell off

[3:06] this, but keep the house, and so on and so forth. And when uh prospective

[3:10] developers would come in, they were kind of more interested in all of it versus

[3:13] part of it. Um, so the town has been consistent with what we share, and we

[3:19] don't make any promises. Every prospective developer has been told the

[3:24] same thing

[3:30] and I know David can attest to this. If the land were to develop residentially,

[3:35] we explained to all prospective developers, it would have to be minimum

[3:40] 1acre lots would be required and multi-tenant and multifamily housing

[3:45] would not be permitted. The town would not offer any tax

[3:50] abatements. The town does not have funding to invest

[3:54] in the development of the site. Any mixeduse or business development

[4:00] would require the developer to independently secure and fund wastewater

[4:05] or sewer capacity. Proper drainage capture and mitigation would be

[4:11] required to protect neighboring properties including Kut estates and the

[4:16] Broly property and all drainage solutions subject to town standards and

[4:21] review. So these are the discussions that we would have when we would get

[4:24] these inquiries. No buildings taller than two stories

[4:28] would would be required. If you wanted to go above two stories, you would need

[4:34] to allow for additional fire protection resources, potentially including new

[4:39] equipment for the Double Oak Volunteer Fire Department.

[4:42] Double Oak is a dark sky community and lighting standards will be enforced.

[4:48] Traffic access would need to be primarily oriented to 407 and not

[4:52] surrounding neighborhoods. In most cases, those inquiries never

[4:57] went anywhere and no follow-up occurred. All preliminary conversations regarding

[5:02] utilities,

[5:07] especially wastewater, were exploratory only and did not represent approval,

[5:12] commitment, or predetermined outcome. What's being discussed today is

[5:18] conceptual. No applications have been filed, no

[5:21] zoning changes have been requested, and no decisions have been made by any

[5:26] entity of our town. As approved by town council a few

[5:30] meetings ago, the town has engaged an outside city planner to assist with the

[5:35] future planning and to ensure any potential requests are evaluated

[5:39] consistently and professionally. Randy Rivera is sits right over here at the

[5:44] corner and she is that person um that will be working with us on uh this

[5:49] project. Over the past two weeks, preliminary

[5:54] discussions have taken place to outline what steps a developer would be required

[5:58] to take if they choose to move forward. Obviously, that's our meeting from two

[6:02] weeks ago. Direct Retail Partners has prepared some initial conceptual

[6:07] architectural ideas which are being shared today specifically to gather

[6:11] citizen input and feedback early in the process. They have also had some

[6:16] meetings with some of the homeowners that live in and around the property.

[6:22] This meeting is intended to provide transparency,

[6:25] share information, and listen. Any future requests would still be required

[6:29] to be formally submitted and reviewed through the town's established planning,

[6:33] zoning, and public hearing process, just like any other project.

[6:41] It's also important to understand why this property matters from a longerterm

[6:46] planning and budgeting perspective. Development, if proposed, approved, and

[6:51] ultimately built, could contribute sales tax and commercial property tax revenue

[6:56] to the town. Unlike residential growth alone, non-residential development can

[7:02] help broaden the tax base and reduce the reliance on homeowners to carry the full

[7:07] cost of municipal services. As shown on our boards up here when you all get to

[7:12] take a look, um double oak still remains at or very close to the top of the

[7:19] lowest property tax rates in our surrounding towns and cities. that

[7:23] reflects years of careful budgeting, conservative financial planning. As

[7:27] costs rise and infrastructure needs grow, however, maintaining that position

[7:32] becomes even harder. Thoughtful, wellplanned development, if

[7:36] approved, can help support essential services while helping keep residential

[7:40] property tax rates as low as reasonably be reasonably possible.

[7:45] None of this is a promise or a prediction. Any potential benefit

[7:50] depends entirely on what is proposed, how it performs, and whether it is

[7:54] approved through the public process. [snorts]

[8:01] Our responsibility as town government is to balance community character, fiscal

[8:06] responsibility, and transparency. The concept being shared here today is

[8:10] intended to provide context and understanding only and does not

[8:15] represent a commitment by the town or an approval of any kind. To help everyone

[8:20] better understand the developer involved in this early conversations,

[8:24] I'd like to briefly introduce Direct Retail Partners. Direct Retail Partners

[8:29] is a privately held commercial real estate development firm with more than

[8:33] two decades of experience in retail and mixeduse projects primarily across the

[8:37] southwestern part of the United States. Founded in 1997, the firm focuses on

[8:43] developing, acquiring, and managing well-located commercial properties,

[8:47] including projects comparable in size and scope to the approximately 23 acre

[8:52] track being discussed here in Dubo. The firm is led by David Watson, a founding

[8:57] partner and ex who has extensive experience in commercial real estate

[9:02] development, investment, and long-term asset management. And also by Chris

[9:06] Hips, a senior partner with deep expertise in retail development, leasing

[9:11] strategy, and project execution. Together they bring decades of hands-on

[9:16] experience guiding midscale projects through planning

[9:24] planning entitlement construction while working collaborative with the local

[9:28] collaboratively with local governments and communities.

[9:32] With the background that I just uh shared with you, I would like to

[9:35] introduce David Watson and Chris Hips and invite them to walk through the

[9:39] conceptual ideas they're exploring for this site.

[9:44] Thank you, mayor. Appreciate it. Mayor, >> I have kind of a loud voice. Can y'all

[9:50] hear me without that microphone? >> Not very well.

[9:53] » Go ahead. >> That's the first time I've ever been

[9:57] told that. Um, um, so our our firm is Direct Retail

[10:03] Partners and uh we've been active uh in this business since 97. Um, we've been

[10:10] real active in this trade area since 2002. And so I thought I would just kind

[10:15] of give you some of the projects that we've done. So rather than listening to

[10:18] me talk, you can actually see what we've what we built over the years. So, um, I

[10:23] think the first project we built was the Target Center up at $24.99 and 407. Um,

[10:29] at that time, the community of Flower Mount was very interested in in a

[10:33] shopping center that looked that didn't look like it was new. They wanted

[10:36] something that looked older that uh had been there for quite some time. And so

[10:41] you can kind of see that architectural theme through that development. Um we

[10:45] went across the street after that and built the Lowe's anchor shopping center.

[10:49] And when that center was constructed, town very much wanted sort of a ranch

[10:53] theme about it. They were concerned about water. So we put that sistern and

[10:57] sort of water tower in the back. Um after that we went down and built the um

[11:02] Robertson's Creek Center. Um just just on Dixon at 24.99.

[11:08] Um um so that totaled about a million and a million3 and square feet at that

[11:14] intersection. The Robertson's Creek at the time the the owners wanted to

[11:17] memorialize the other owners of the community that that had owned land in

[11:21] the area. So we have a little thing called Heritage Walk that goes through

[11:24] that property. Please >> sorry we get to the microphone because I

[11:27] can't hear you. Um yeah, so um that project we um we did

[11:35] a little a thing called the heritage walk where we put some obelisk in the

[11:38] property and put um um panels up that talked about how um the families that

[11:44] owned the property. We also built the Tom Thumb Center um over in front of

[11:48] Bridlewood um back in the day. Um, and so, uh, that along with Highland Court,

[11:55] which is a residential community on Rippy Road. So, I think that's six

[12:00] projects in the area, and I just want to go through them, not because we did six

[12:04] projects, but because you can kind of see, you know, the quality of our

[12:08] product or lack thereof based on your opinion. Um,

[12:13] so, as the mayor shared, we're early on here. Um, we've contracted to purchase

[12:19] the property. Um it's a difficult piece uh just to be honest with you. Um as you

[12:26] know it does not have sanitary sewer and for many um that just precluded any

[12:32] development interest whatsoever. Um we had some clients some grocery clients a

[12:37] couple of them that were expressing interest in the intersection. So we kind

[12:41] of sunk our teeth into it a little bit and we were able to locate sanitary

[12:45] sewer in Lantana across the street. Um we've spent I don't know about 20 grand

[12:52] with the city trying to understand [clears throat] um how much capacity

[12:56] there is in the sanitary sewer line and it's been determined that there's enough

[13:01] capacity to handle our development and the folks in Lantana have been really

[13:05] really cooperative um uh with us kind of excited about another food store. Um

[13:12] so that along with um the the the current topography I guess um from

[13:20] Simmons Road moving west the land falls 20 ft.

[13:25] So that's a pretty dramatic drop. And so you'll see um in order to manage the

[13:31] storm water we had to come up with a grading plan and and two two rather

[13:35] large storm water ponds. And the what the stormwater ponds do without getting

[13:40] into a bunch of engineering detail is is basically it holds the water that's

[13:43] generated by the development in those ponds and releases it out of those ponds

[13:48] just as if the development wasn't there. So it it the water flows downstream at

[13:54] the same rate that it would as if it was just natural land. That's the permanent

[13:58] that's the purpose of those storm water pumps.

[14:01] Um I don't want to talk a whole bunch. I mean I'm happy to kind of show you.

[14:05] Chris, you want to direct as I talk a little bit?

[14:09] » Um, >> so these are the storm water ponds.

[14:11] One's at the southwest corner. This is the Broly track and there's the pond.

[14:16] And this our other >> This is one storm water pond at the

[14:20] southwest corner of the site just to the north of the Browley Farms storm or

[14:26] retention pond. And then our second retention pond as you see here is

[14:30] located parallel to it. So those are the two areas that David was talking about

[14:34] where when storm water starts to run off the site obviously east to west given

[14:37] the fall where that storm water is captured that's being generated from the

[14:41] development. >> The balance of it you can probably see

[14:45] um 407 obviously goes across the top and that's Simmons Road running north and

[14:49] south. The eastern half of it if you will is the grocery store in the box and

[14:55] um then that shallow bait up retail just to the east. It it it won't look very

[15:00] dissimilar. um or it looks very similar to um brute or ran in 1171 if you wanted

[15:06] to see what the product looked like kind of a similar size building and a similar

[15:10] size grocery store that tom that tom there and the retail building associated

[15:14] with it. So it'll give you a scale and idea of what what that looks like. The

[15:19] three sites across the top are simply pad sites. Um people that would

[15:23] typically be found there are banks, restaurants, Chick-fil-A, Chipotle,

[15:28] people like that. So, those are those three sites right across the front of

[15:32] 407. The other two buildings are just other commercial buildings. Um, they're

[15:37] a little bit different in that they provide um additional showroom or

[15:42] additional storage. We do that by making them a little bit deeper. Retailers like

[15:47] um furniture stores, appliance stores, flooring companies, Marble and Tile,

[15:54] Sherwin Williams, Leslie's Pool. Those are the kind of people that you would

[15:58] find in those buildings. So, we want to kind of give you a feeling for the

[16:01] tenants that would be there. Um,

[16:06] I don't know really I don't want to these are three different styles of

[16:10] architecture. Um, you know, you can y'all are very familiar with the Target

[16:14] and Lowe's and familiar with the Tom Thumb. So, you can at least see um the

[16:19] care we put in those back in the day. Um, I don't know that any architecture,

[16:24] unless you looked at it, said we really like that or a group said they really

[16:27] like that. Um, that's 20 years old. So, um, we felt like we developed it to kind

[16:33] of be timeless, but certainly there'd be some updates to it. And as we get

[16:36] further into it, if we get further into it, um, you know, we're happy to share

[16:41] what those ideas are. Um, something to share is we're we're

[16:47] not going to get in a fight. Um, so if a if the majority of people don't want to

[16:51] do it, then we're not going to do it. I'm old enough to where I don't need to

[16:54] build another shopping center. Um, if it's something the community wants and

[16:59] um and we can work together and, you know, develop it the way you want it,

[17:04] um, I can I can assure you that we have the aptitude to do what we say we're

[17:07] going to do. And I'd like to think that the amount of development we've had in

[17:10] the area confirms that. But if y'all don't want it, the town doesn't want it,

[17:15] we're gone. You won't hear from us again. We just simply thought that

[17:19] because we had two quality food stores interested at the intersection and

[17:23] knowing the quality of those food stores, we're going to be able to

[17:26] attract tenants like the tenants at Brattlewood out in front of Brattlewood

[17:30] at Brute Nor in 1171. We thought most communities, not necessarily this

[17:34] community, but most communities like that. It's class A grocery anchor

[17:38] development that's going to attract quality neighborhood service tenants and

[17:42] likely quality banks and restaurants on the pads. Um, and so you you there's not

[17:49] going to be any hostility from us or anger or anything like that. So just um

[17:54] if y'all want to have a discussion and ask any questions about it, we're pretty

[17:57] much an open book. Only thing I'd tell you is it's frustrating because there's

[18:00] questions about traffic we've had before and there's some questions about

[18:04] lighting and those studies have not yet been done yet, but they'll need to get

[18:08] done um prior to any kind of public hearing. So, um I'm not trying to dodge

[18:14] traffic questions. There's obviously going to be additional traffic that um

[18:17] goes through the intersection. Um and I can kind of if when it comes to

[18:21] lighting, you've had questions about lighting, I would just encourage you to

[18:24] drive to the Tom Thump Center and see what that lighting looks like at night.

[18:28] Most developers want to put up really tall poles with really bright lights on

[18:31] them because that's the cheapest way to do it. That's not what we're proposing

[18:34] here. And I think if you drive that Tom Thump Center, you'll see what we're

[18:37] talking about at night. So

[18:40] without any other comments, um let's if anybody has any questions, happy to

[18:46] address them. >> Could Could you um Chris show where the

[18:51] entrance is into the shopping center off of Simmons?

[18:55] » Yeah. So [clears throat] um this is Simmons Road 407. This is

[19:01] that lighted intersection. Um there's obviously a dedicated left-hand turn

[19:04] lane um into Simmons. are the main entrance that runs across the front of

[19:09] where that grocery store will be or the food store is right up here. This, if

[19:13] you're you're probably mostly familiar, that's where that water tower is. And so

[19:18] the um nearest residential lot is actually kind of south of where that

[19:22] main entrance is to the front of the grocery store. [clears throat] So that

[19:25] would be that kind of main entrance drive that runs east west across the

[19:29] front of the grocery store. you know, probably is the most um that along with

[19:33] the entrance off 407 is the most kind of we would assume, you know, pending a

[19:37] traffic impact study, the most kind of traffic area to go and access that

[19:41] grocery store. And the second one, which you [clears throat] may not be familiar

[19:45] with cuz there's no reason to take a left turn there now, uh but is the

[19:49] entrance off 407, and that's a left in. So, there's a dedicated left-hand turn

[19:53] lane here. It's a ride out, a ride in heading eastbound off of 407 and then a

[19:59] ride out. So, it's a full service intersection with the dedicated left

[20:02] currently. >> Can go a little bit further about the

[20:06] Simmons. So, is there actually going to be an entrance way off of Simmons

[20:10] itself? >> Yes. Yes. And that's the one I'm sorry,

[20:12] you may not be able to see it here, but the the main entrance to or one of the

[20:17] main entrances to the grocery store is off of Simmons. So, does that mean that

[20:21] food trucks, supply trucks, distribution trucks are going to be using Simmons?

[20:26] » I'm sorry, >> she asked if she asked if food if uh

[20:31] like 18 wheelers and large delivery trucks might be using Simmons. And I

[20:35] think the answer would would be yes from 407 to the entrance of the shopping

[20:40] center. Um I think we can legislate and I don't think a trucker would want to do

[20:44] it anyway, is going to turn south on Simmons. So yes, from 407 to the rear of

[20:51] the grocery store, there'll be some big truck traffic.

[20:56] » So then can we assume also that they'll try to go around that intersection and

[21:00] use Kings Road to come up the other way?

[21:05] » I I I wouldn't I wouldn't assume that. Yeah,

[21:08] » one one could, but I wouldn't assume that they're going to take the they're

[21:11] going to take the path that that that the store dictates in the path that's

[21:15] most convenient. And by far, that's the most convenient path.

[21:20] » Yes, sir. >> I can't [clears throat] read the fourth,

[21:23] but what size grocery store? >> 58,000 ft. It won't be any bigger than

[21:27] 58,000 ft. And put that comparison. That's the Kroger's double that size.

[21:33] And the the the little top thumb over on Brute Noran 1171. That's that's that's

[21:38] right at 58,000 ft. >> Can you check me that size with the the

[21:44] Whole Foods market? >> I'm sorry.

[21:46] » You know the Whole Foods? >> Yes, sir. I do.

[21:48] » How big is that? >> Pretty close. I think that Whole Foods

[21:51] about 48. I can confirm that. That's 58. >> So that's about that size.

[21:55] » Yes, sir. So, who's which which grocery store do we need or over here?

[22:01] » I can tell you they're in, you know, they're in the business to make money

[22:04] and there's two of them that are interested in which which

[22:07] » I can't tell you. >> I can't tell you right now.

[22:11] » I'm very familiar with all the grocery stores. I'm just saying that there's two

[22:14] of them that are interested in this location. I I cut you off. So, I'm going

[22:18] to go back to you for a followup. >> Yeah. Um, it's too early to determine

[22:22] whether or not you'll apply for a beer and wine license.

[22:26] » We're going to need to apply for a beer and wine license

[22:29] » in order to get a food store. >> Yes, ma'am.

[22:33] » As I mentioned at an earlier meeting, that's going to be a backup of cars

[22:39] getting in and out of the grocery store, which is right across from our house. Um

[22:45] and then thinking of a semi also moving in turning and backing up to 407. I see

[22:53] [clears throat] that to be problematic >> and noisy.

[22:57] » Yeah. So that that's a good question.

[23:02] » Can't hear. >> The question was how are we going to

[23:06] handle traffic basically on Simmons Road? Um is the traffic going to back up

[23:11] into 407? I'm I'm putting more words in your mouth than the question was, does

[23:15] it need a del lane? Does it need its own its own del lane to go into um the

[23:21] entrance off Simmons? Same thing on 407. If you're if you're eastbound on 407,

[23:26] are we going to need a del lane to get in so it doesn't back traffic up on 407?

[23:30] So, part of what we do if we decide to continue is to do a traffic study. And

[23:35] it's somebody the city will approve. Uh, it's a consultant that comes in. Y'all

[23:40] seen them. They put the wires down and based on where the uses are and what the

[23:44] uses are proposed to be. These guys are really, really good at telling you how

[23:49] many how many trip starts will be generated by the development and how the

[23:53] cars will most likely come in. So, at each opening, we can tell you how many

[23:57] new starts they're they're planned to be per day. I know that's hard to believe,

[24:01] but they can do it. They they do it. >> It's it's it's pretty amazing.

[24:06] » Yes, sir. Are you contemplating a sea store or G store in one of those pads?

[24:11] » No [clears throat] sir. Um it depends on which ger goes. Both grocerers want gas.

[24:17] Okay. >> And that's that small facility right

[24:20] there. Um they have requested, you know, a larger gas pad with convenience on it.

[24:26] And um I'm I'm being as transparent as I can with you. We're trying to not do

[24:31] that. And I think ultimately we'll have the leverage because there's interest

[24:35] from two to say look we're going to go with the one that doesn't want the big

[24:38] convenience store on the on the endcap thumb at Bridalwood

[24:43] um or bruton 1171 has a gas station there if you go look at it that's

[24:49] similar to what we're pushing to have for here so it would be um six multiply

[24:53] pump dispensers and then a small service hut is what I typically call it

[24:57] » but necessarily on the corner or in the middle

[25:00] » point uh here. >> Yeah. That

[25:04] » and you can orient that in different ways obviously. So we're working with

[25:07] those grocerers right now to work on >> thumb kind of has it in the middle.

[25:10] » It does. Yeah. Yeah. And so what we're we're trying to take what we're trying

[25:15] to utilize right now with the grocery stores is put it in [snorts] a obviously

[25:19] convenient location for their customers but not something that takes away from

[25:22] good opportunities for us and the community from a restaurant, a bank, a

[25:27] retail standpoint. So, we're trying to retain the best location for everybody.

[25:31] » It seems like more backup of traffic that kind of corner.

[25:34] » Yes. >> It's it's just if you drive I mean, I'm

[25:37] not saying it's right, but if you drive 90% of the shopping centers that that

[25:42] little we're just trying to minimize it, you know, it it ends up sitting on the

[25:46] hard corner. >> Yes, sir.

[25:48] » Could you talk a little bit about timing and what your forecast for that would

[25:52] be? >> Sure.

[25:54] Um it's been pretty slow to date because we've had to um come up with the grading

[26:00] plan that we talked about and make sure that the that those um the utilities

[26:05] were available. But if we were to go forward um it wouldn't be a rush,

[26:11] » but we need to be efficient about going forward. Um, so timing, um, we'd

[26:17] probably want to be closed late spring, um, and underway probably

[26:25] July. I'm a little bit guessing, but that's that's the normal time frame. Um,

[26:30] the reason that there's pace about it is these food stores are really really

[26:34] active currently. They haven't been active for a long time, but they're

[26:38] really active now because of the growth. And so they have so many opportunities

[26:42] that they're evaluating currently that they can kind of tell, you know, whether

[26:47] by the pace as to whether this is going to happen or not. And so we just know

[26:50] that you've got to you got to stay up with their pace. And so they'll expect,

[26:54] you know, a closing and a commencement kind of like we talked about.

[26:58] » So if you start next summer, how long is the construction process?

[27:01] » Uh 10 to 12 months. [snorts] >> How long have you worked on it before

[27:06] the You said it's been slow. Uh we've been under contract, Chris, you know,

[27:11] July, been under contract since July. And so Lantana was like, "We we think

[27:17] there's capacity in the line, but we're not going to go. We're not going to pay

[27:20] to go do it. If y'all want to pay to go do it." So then we had to find, you

[27:23] know, find somebody that was acceptable to them and acceptable to us, that was

[27:26] competent to go do all that. So that took most of the time. And then to grade

[27:30] it, the sanitary sewer and the grade, you have to they they complement each

[27:34] other. You have to kind of make sure they work together. So it was it's

[27:37] complicated it it it a lot of a lot what has to do

[27:42] with those those where those buildings are located and how they're located is

[27:46] one their marketability and then two how the how the grading works. Yes sir.

[27:50] » I know you haven't done any traffic studies but can you give us idea what

[27:53] kind of volume of cars uh is going into the Tom Thumb Shopping Center?

[27:58] » I don't I I just don't know. I don't follow it that way. I follow

[28:02] » you built it. But you don't have an idea of the volume that's going in. I don't I

[28:05] built it. I'm sorry you're disappointed. I built it 12 years ago,

[28:11] 15 years ago. >> So, I mean, I don't I have no idea. I

[28:14] can find out. >> I could be a good idea.

[28:16] » Okay. >> Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[28:21] » At an earlier meeting, uh part of the discussion that came up was uh the wall

[28:27] between 407 and Simmons, running down Simmons. How far would that go? You

[28:34] know, that's one of the fun things we can work on, especially if that's

[28:36] » We're real concerned because that's our property.

[28:39] » Yeah. >> People walking and you said there's

[28:41] going to be a sidewalk, too. >> Sidewalks.

[28:45] » Yeah. >> We all get to be on both sides of

[28:47] » Yeah. We can we can do it any [clears throat] way you want. So, that's

[28:50] that's what's fun about these meetings. I mean, I I encourage you to drive Rippy

[28:54] Road um and see and see um see that wall in the landscaping and the meandering

[29:00] path that So, we we can do it that way where you don't see anything or we can

[29:05] do it lower. It's it's just interaction what you want to look at. And

[29:09] » see, we don't want to see anything putting a 7 foot wall on one side of

[29:13] Simmons. We'd like a 7 foot wall on our side. So

[29:18] » we're not getting all the noise bouncing off that large wall back into our our

[29:22] property. >> Okay.

[29:23] » And pedestrians. >> That's not prohibitive. I don't think

[29:27] we'd have to get into the design of it a little bit.

[29:30] » Yes, sir. >> Couple more questions [clears throat] on

[29:33] your perspective tenant here. >> Is this site in competition with other

[29:37] sites they're looking at in 407 area? >> Sure.

[29:42] » Sure. >> So time is nearly over. Yes, I think is

[29:45] where we go here. >> Time time is of the essence, no doubt.

[29:48] » And what is your game plan longer term? Do you're obviously a developer and get

[29:52] it up on lease, but do you sell the property? Are you are you guys long-term

[29:55] owners? >> Sometimes we have a portfolio of a

[29:58] couple of million feet of retail that we own. Um we don't have to own it forever.

[30:03] Um the market goes up and down, prices go up and down, rent goes up and down.

[30:07] We kind of let the market or the retail space speak for itself as to when might

[30:12] be a good time to sell it or when not. >> I guess the grocery store tenants going

[30:16] to want 24/7 hours, aren't they? >> I I think so.

[30:20] » Well, there's a chance maybe not. >> Yeah, I think so, though. I would I

[30:24] would I would agree with you. >> How about the the other pads? But most

[30:27] of those will be closed by 9:00, 10:00. >> There's not going to be any 247 pads.

[30:33] » Okay. >> Somebody I got in the background. Yes,

[30:36] ma'am. Uh all the way I'm sorry. Okay. Go ahead, sir.

[30:40] » How will this affect if at all?

[30:44] » Living >> living. Excuse me.

[30:46] » It's gone. >> What was the question?

[30:47] » Are they gone? >> Yes. Okay.

[30:51] » Yes. >> In your development at this site, is

[30:55] there any retail for those sites [clears throat]

[31:00] uh that would not be that y'all do not consider?

[31:06] Do you have any exclusions as to what would definitely not be considered?

[31:12] » Do you have anything that that you would suggest that you because that may be an

[31:16] easier way to go about it. >> Well, you know, typically you would talk

[31:19] about liquor stores. >> Yeah,

[31:22] » we talk about um >> there won't be a liquor store there.

[31:25] » Adult orientated. >> What?

[31:27] » Adultoriented. >> Not going to be [clears throat] any

[31:29] adult oriented prohibited. >> No massage parlor,

[31:33] » no vape shops. >> Yeah. So the the grocery cares about

[31:37] that just as much as we do. [laughter] The grocery cares about that just as

[31:41] much as we do. And so when we enter into the agreement with the grocery store, we

[31:46] execute and record against the property a noxious use, prohibited use list,

[31:51] which is everything that we don't want to see at the property. And so we

[31:53] mutually agree on massage parlor, you know, liquor stores, sexually oriented

[31:57] business, vape shops. So we agree on that and we actually record it against

[32:01] the property. So, it's not just you can't lease this. It's actually

[32:04] recorded. So, it runs with the land. >> So, it'll be a public record. So, you

[32:07] could we'll give you a copy of what what it says.

[32:10] » Deed restriction. >> Oh, absolutely. It runs with the land

[32:13] with the deed. >> Uh yes, ma'am. All the way in the back.

[32:18] » So, have y'all close on this yet or is this still contingent?

[32:21] » No. No, we've not closed. >> Okay.

[32:23] » We're just under contract. >> So, you will then purchase it and then

[32:26] start developing it. >> That's correct.

[32:27] » Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So, we do all the uh traffic

[32:31] studies and things before you close on the property.

[32:33] » Oh, yes, ma'am. >> Yes.

[32:34] » Okay. And before the public meeting? >> Uh, yes. If it's if it's We're not going

[32:41] to like try to put the traffic by you. We're going to all know what the traffic

[32:45] is before um we agree or disagree. >> I have some friends that literally live

[32:51] right there on the corner, right there by that Wonder Tower. And I mean, this

[32:54] is going to change their entire life. >> Yeah. I understand

[32:58] » and I feel for those people >> are your children.

[33:02] » We do too. >> Yes, ma'am.

[33:06] » Okay. Would you clarify on that map because I'm very confused. First of all,

[33:11] can you with your finger go around all the property that you would be buying or

[33:17] whatever? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, if the green's kind of a

[33:21] good area because that's our landscaping and our buffer zone. So, if I take it

[33:24] here and I'll run across 407 all the way to Simmons. We do not own

[33:29] that little corner, which is low currently. Um, down south on Simmons,

[33:35] west across the Broly property, north across the Broly property,

[33:39] west, and then north again. So, that's entirety of the track. That's the full

[33:43] » 23 acres. >> And then those, it's hard for me to see

[33:47] from here to the upper part of the grocery store. Is that parking

[33:53] » here? >> Yes.

[33:54] » Yes, ma'am. That's parking. >> Okay. And then what about to the left of

[33:57] that? What would all that be? >> Um, this is this would be parking here,

[34:02] service area here, um, green space with detention,

[34:07] uh, truck service area here, and then parking here.

[34:11] » The buildings are outlined in color. Most everything else is parking

[34:16] » except except the things that are blue and those were are the storm water

[34:20] detention ponds. >> Right. So underneath the two yellow at

[34:24] the top >> are those buildings there. Yes. Right

[34:27] there. >> That's just it's just parking.

[34:30] » Okay. Now all that even with the black line there is all parking.

[34:33] » Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Thank you.

[34:35] » Sure. Thank you. Yes, sir. Oh, I have a question about the um the two properties

[34:42] that you described as large retail um like furniture stores, things like

[34:49] that. So, there's two of those I believe that are outlined.

[34:52] » Correct. >> Okay. And one closest to the left.

[34:55] » Um yes, that one. >> Our property abuts that property there.

[35:00] Correct. Actually, right on 407. We have a There you go. And so, uh, we're kind

[35:06] of curious. I mean, we've got specific issues. I might bring them up, but, uh,

[35:10] we'd be concerned what about probably the height of the buildings. So, earlier

[35:14] the conversation was mentioned about, uh, when the mayor was speaking that it

[35:18] was, uh, cap their two uh, twotory building.

[35:22] » Correct. is do you see in any of these uh potential uh

[35:28] sites or or uh retail outlets that would want uh what's the approximate height of

[35:35] those buildings? >> The approximate height of a of a grocery

[35:39] store is about 29 ft. >> So, um those those buildings will be

[35:45] about that size, no higher than that. And if I if you're worried about seeing

[35:49] them, I think, and worried about hearing from them, um there's a drawing that we

[35:53] can do. We're just not there yet, where we can put someone standing in whatever

[35:58] position in your yard that you're worried about and then we can put the

[36:03] finished grade and then put the building up and you can see what you'd be able to

[36:07] see of the building. >> Okay.

[36:09] » It'll be very accurate. >> Question.

[36:12] » Yes, sir. You guys have the experience with all that pavement as opposed to

[36:17] open field. Now, of course, if we have an inch of

[36:21] rain, it's going to be an inch of rain, whether it's open soil or park pavement.

[36:28] What is the what's your feeling for the in the

[36:33] increase in runoff on pavement versus [clears throat] what is there now?

[36:37] Because that water is all going to flow south.

[36:40] » We're very very aware of that. Okay. >> So, how Chris, how big are those two

[36:44] storm water pumps? [clears throat] >> This is probably an acre and a half and

[36:49] that's probably close to two acres. >> So, it's 3 and 1/2 acres that we're

[36:54] buying that we're putting in detention. Um, so that's a pretty serious

[36:57] commitment. Um, not to mention the cost of the detention. It's it's not easy.

[37:02] It's not hard to find, you know, what the rules are. Um, the mayor mentioned

[37:06] them earlier. So that whole design, the whole gra grading design and the whole

[37:11] size of those ponds, I just don't come up with that. A civil civil engineer

[37:15] does that. And the whole um plan is based on a 100redyear flood. And that's

[37:20] a pretty standard uh it's a very standard um criteria that you solve to.

[37:26] So in in unless there's a 100redyear flood, [clears throat]

[37:32] whatever however it rains, however fast the water runs off the concrete, the job

[37:37] of those um 3 and 12 acres of storm ponds is to hold that water and release

[37:42] it at the same pace as if the property wasn't developed.

[37:48] [clears throat] >> As if it's as as if the property is like

[37:52] it is now. Correct. >> Feel correct. That's the requirement.

[37:57] Okay, I have to think about that. >> Yes, sir.

[38:00] » Um, you may have answered this. I'm not hearing that well, but how many parking

[38:03] spaces on this is this? >> Um, it's a good question. Um, because

[38:08] it's different uses require different spaces

[38:11] » based on this design. How many parking spaces?

[38:14] » It that different uses require different designs. So if it's a if it's a

[38:20] furniture store, you know, it it requires a lot less parking than maybe

[38:24] another type store. So it's hard to be exact, but I can give you a relative

[38:28] ratio. So for the retail on the east side, it's about four per thousand. Four

[38:34] parking spaces for every thousand square ft. On the western side, because those

[38:40] users usually aren't as parking intensive, it's about two per thousand.

[38:46] » Okay. Okay. And I have another couple other quick questions. Um, have you done

[38:49] an independent appraisal on the impact to market values of the homeowners

[38:55] around this? >> No, sir.

[38:56] » And are you going to do that? >> I hadn't planned on it, but if that's

[39:01] something y'all want to see >> going to sign significantly impact the

[39:04] people that live >> up and down Simmons. I mean, a lot of

[39:07] people live in double O far away. Yes. And this may sound like a great idea

[39:12] because you can get to travel to a grocery store, but the people that are

[39:15] going to be impacted by the traffic from South Simmons, I don't care what you

[39:19] say, people are going to come up that way. It's a shortcut. They're already

[39:22] doing it. >> And if you build this, you they're not

[39:26] going to drive around. They're coming up Simmons.

[39:29] » I didn't disagree with that. >> And this is going to negative impact on

[39:32] all the property values up and down Simmons Road and specifically around

[39:36] this area. This is a This is not a positive to market value. Nobody I

[39:41] didn't move into double O >> to live across the street from a giant

[39:44] grocery store complex. >> I here because I want a quiet community.

[39:49] » We have to bear that in mind. What about tax benefits? They're vaguely promising.

[39:54] » Who's who's they >> are not going to offset the loss of

[39:57] property value? >> Not can I follow up on that?

[40:00] » There is going to be additional traffic no doubt up and down Simmons and that's

[40:04] » is a negative impact on property. I guarantee you that.

[40:07] » Okay. I would disagree with you. Just >> work in real estate and I know people

[40:11] don't go find me a property directly across the street from

[40:15] » I don't think either one of us could tell you what's going to impact property

[40:17] value. >> I just want to follow up on that. I I

[40:19] actually live right on Simmons right by that.

[40:22] » Yes, ma'am. >> Um and we already in the mornings have a

[40:24] problem getting out of our driveway with the traffic amount that's coming in.

[40:28] » Sure. >> I can't imagine having all that retail

[40:31] and the traffic is going to cause. >> Is there talks of possibly widening?

[40:35] Yes. >> Oh, see that'd be horrible, too.

[40:37] » Yeah, >> that that's our yard. That's literally

[40:39] we own up to the to that street. >> So, that would affect my my house, my

[40:45] yard, my everything. >> No, it wouldn't be on your

[40:48] » trucks delivering goods. >> It would. [clears throat]

[40:50] » So, the cemetery that has talked about or would have based on the traffic

[40:54] impact analysis would really be along our frontage here.

[41:03] » Just just to be clear, it wouldn't affect your properties as as the size of

[41:08] your property if there were improvements made and that's when I said are you

[41:12] considering widening the road in if the traffic study comes back like we think

[41:17] it does and there's going to be additional traffic on Simmons then one

[41:20] of the ways that you defer that traffic is with that dedicated right-hand turn

[41:24] so they would add a lane in to the grocery store so whether you agree with

[41:28] that don't like it or whatever I just wanted to be clear they're not going to

[41:31] be taking property from you as as the road expandes if If the road expands,

[41:35] » you're waiting for the mic around. We can't hear you. Put the mic up to your

[41:39] lips to talk. I can't hear you when you got using it as a pointer.

[41:45] » Yes, sir. >> Thank you, Mr. Have you done your

[41:49] geotechnical work on the site? >> I'm sorry.

[41:52] » Have you done your geotechnical work on the site?

[41:56] » No, sir. >> Didn't think so. What is the water table

[41:59] there? Do you have any idea? >> No. No idea. Uh, have you talked to

[42:03] adjacent land owners about that? >> We've talked to some adjacent land

[42:06] owners about the water runoff, but we haven't talked about the water table.

[42:10] » So, you don't know where that is? >> No, sir.

[42:12] » And the petroleum record uh for that particular

[42:17] property and adjacent properties? >> Petroleum record in what regard? Is

[42:21] there a is there a empty well or something like that?

[42:24] » Has there been any exploration in the site?

[42:26] » Not to my knowledge. >> Adjacent to the site?

[42:29] » Not to my knowledge. You haven't done your homework,

[42:31] » right? We have it. We want to have this meeting first before we do that.

[42:35] » Drill pad >> that was drilled there about what 15

[42:39] years ago. >> Yeah.

[42:40] » It was nonproductive. So, it was abandoned plugged.

[42:45] » It's on the um it's right off of Simmons. It's going to be on the south

[42:49] corner of that property. There was a a gas well drilled there

[42:56] » and it was only on a location for maybe five years before they plugged and it

[43:00] » Thank you. >> Question on ordinances. It may be

[43:04] premature. Are there any current double ordinances that you expect that you're

[43:09] going to have to request a waiver on? >> Kendra, you have any answer to that? I'm

[43:15] not aware of any. commercial >> use

[43:21] commercial. >> So the

[43:24] » Kendra and your consultant would will would work together on behalf of the

[43:29] city and us to come up with a plan development. So that plan development

[43:33] would have specific standards in it. So it's not going to be a blanket

[43:36] commercial zoning. So there would be a negotiation, I guess, if you will, as to

[43:42] what goes in those standards. Yes, sir.

[43:47] » I just curious about the development of the property itself. So, when you build

[43:51] something like this, do you build the grocery store first and build the other

[43:55] buildings later or is it all done at the same time? What would you what would you

[43:59] foresee in that? >> Yeah. And so, it's all it's most of it's

[44:04] market driven. So, when there are users available that are quality users for the

[44:09] pad sites, then we'll execute and move forward with those. I can't tell you

[44:12] when those show up. It's usually pretty soon and so it's usually done in conj in

[44:16] conjunction with the initial construction of the grocery store and

[44:20] the shopping center. The grocery store and the retail space will go together.

[44:27] » Yes, sir. >> Um two quick question. Are the utility

[44:32] companies in tune with what you're trying to do here both serve and the

[44:35] water company? >> They they they will be. Again, this is

[44:39] so preliminary. I just we that's the best guess we've got. But all that tech

[44:43] dot's going to have to look at this. All the utility companies have got to look

[44:46] at it. So there we just haven't gotten to that point yet.

[44:49] » Are you all contemplating any other developments up and down 407? It would

[44:53] have a similar concept to it. >> No sir.

[44:55] » If this doesn't work out. >> No sir.

[44:56] » Okay. [clears throat] Yes.

[44:59] » Would that other entrance that you talked about off of 407? Would that be a

[45:02] light there or is that unprotected >> here?

[45:05] » Yeah. >> I I doubt that we're going to get

[45:08] another light from Texot there. >> Yeah. cuz then that that pushes more

[45:13] traffic in on Simmons then unless you're coming from the west, you know, but a

[45:17] lot of people are not going to take an unprotected left turn,

[45:20] » right? >> So, cuz people come down that road

[45:24] » 55 miles an hour and there's a hill right there, too. So, it's limited

[45:28] visibility. If it were me, I would go down Simmons cuz I wouldn't feel safe

[45:31] taking a left turn there. >> So,

[45:34] » thank you. I think that's just I think that's where a lot of concerns are going

[45:37] to be is it feels like most of the traffic is going to be pushed in on

[45:40] Simmons and for residents that take that on a normal commute or whatever that's

[45:46] it already backs up at that white. >> So that's that's just the challenge.

[45:51] » Thank you. How far >> why are we being asked to express our

[45:55] preference [clears throat] on the architectural design at this point? We

[45:58] were handed a sticker when we came in there. This is conceptual preliminary.

[46:02] Why are you asking that of us? Um >> what's the point of that?

[46:05] » It's usually it's usually a topic of conversation like people will ask some

[46:11] point >> someone will say what does it look like

[46:14] it speak >> I'm trying to trying to answer I'm

[46:16] trying to answer your question. I'm trying to answer your question.

[46:19] » It speaks to credibility. If I if if if if if

[46:24] someone was up here and I was in your seat and they were telling me that they

[46:28] were going to develop a shopping center or suggesting to me that they were going

[46:31] to develop a shopping center. >> Sure. And if I didn't talk,

[46:36] » all I all I wanted to do was show you examples of what it might look like.

[46:43] » It typically it typically comes up >> preference at this stage. Makes no sense

[46:47] » because we care about it. applied support for a project saying, "Oh,

[46:51] [clears throat] we vote for this already." And we don't. We haven't. And

[46:55] I I sense a tone that when I walked in here, it made me

[46:59] » I'm sorry that >> question.

[47:01] » If if y'all don't want to do it, we're not going to do it. I'm sorry for the

[47:03] tone. We're I'm trying to be as open as we can be. And if the if the majority of

[47:08] people if the majority of people don't want to do it, we're not going to do it.

[47:11] » Unless you live three blocks away, sure, it's wonderful for you. But anybody on

[47:15] Simmons Road, the way this is, this is a disaster.

[47:19] » Yeah. >> This is not our lifestyle. This is not

[47:22] This impacts the quality of all of our lives. And we do not want this just like

[47:26] we didn't want the helicopter pass. >> Amen.

[47:29] » And this is being shoved down our throats again for your benefit and

[47:32] profit. Great. You're a developer. I I understand you want those things. And

[47:36] whoever else is benefiting that is not a resident of Double Oak.

[47:41] » We're not shoving anything down anybody's throat. I opened with if y'all

[47:44] don't want it. >> No.

[47:46] [clears throat] >> Any other questions?

[47:49] » Yes, sir. >> So, something is going to go on this 23

[47:52] acres >> and this may be the best we get.

[47:56] » So, that has to be that has to be taken into consideration. So, let's let the

[48:01] man talk and make his presentations >> and not give him such a negative

[48:06] reaction to our town. >> I am having a negative reaction.

[48:09] » You certainly are and we all we have all witnessed.

[48:13] » [clears throat] >> I like it. Not to avoid this.

[48:16] » Please, can can we can we keep it at a tone?

[48:21] » You all sit here and say government never tells you what's going on.

[48:25] » Well, that's >> they came to the table. We did this

[48:27] today to allow you to be in the know. You you

[48:32] heard you heard him say it's under contract. He doesn't sign it.

[48:36] » Let him talk for a second. >> Speak for everybody. All we're wanting

[48:41] to do here is to share. So, a sticker on a sheet.

[48:44] » I live right across the street. >> We just like to have citizen involvement

[48:48] in many different ways. >> I'm going to move on just to other

[48:51] questions. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. I have nothing against y'all if

[48:54] you were doing your business. It's what you do.

[48:56] » Thank you. >> Okay. And I do understand that you want

[48:59] our input. >> Correct.

[49:00] » Okay. You're getting a vibe. Some people in this room never got the vibe. Don't

[49:06] want to get the vibe. We've all, most of us have been there for a very long time.

[49:10] We don't worry about the fact that our taxes will come down or we've been there

[49:15] for a long time. It's okay the way it is. And answer to your question or your

[49:18] question, we're not Oh, yeah. Up there. What else can go in there? How about

[49:22] more subdivision? It's a big enough area where they could put more homes in

[49:25] there. So, there are other alternatives than this.

[49:28] » I have to. >> Yes, sir.

[49:32] » Can I make a comment, David? >> Yes.

[49:34] » I've been here 51 and a half years. I was one of the guys that started this

[49:37] town. I've sat in your chair both as the developer and as the financier of

[49:42] projects like this. This is a class project

[49:46] by end of 27. I'll do everything I can to support this.

[49:50] » Thank you. Thank you. >> Appreciate it.

[49:54] » I I think my thought is if that entrance into 407

[49:59] has a traffic light, it would really help the people in not to get the

[50:04] traffic. >> Okay. So maybe if TS do let you know

[50:08] that. >> Yeah, it's it's it's we I mean we'll

[50:12] appeal to text dot. It's it's a text Texas Department of Transportation. They

[50:16] control that road. We're going to have to get their permission to do anything.

[50:20] We're going to have to get their permission to to drill under the road to

[50:22] get to the sanitary sewer. So they're they're they got some pretty strong

[50:26] opinions. >> Yeah. And so they they may be in favor

[50:29] of it. They may not. But it's it's really not even going to be be our call.

[50:33] » Yes, ma'am. So, real quick, since this this site's going to be similar to the

[50:38] Tom Thumb at Bridalwood, >> correct?

[50:42] » We could we can make an assumption that it's probably going to have the same or

[50:46] similar uh commercial revenue generated. >> Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah.

[50:53] » So, can you share what the property tax going to Flower Mound is at that

[51:01] location? >> I don't know.

[51:03] » I don't know. I'm sorry.

[51:05] » We can look it up on the tax roles. >> Yeah, I mean it's a it's a computation

[51:08] of value and what the mill rate is. We we can look it up and we could we could

[51:12] probably get a pretty good estimate here if that was helpful.

[51:15] » So, you're going to stay the owner of the property and you're going to lease

[51:19] the buildings to >> That's correct.

[51:22] » The commercial users. >> That's correct.

[51:24] » Okay. So, you will be the property owner >> and and often times the pad site users,

[51:30] Chick-fil-A or Chipotle or Starbucks or something, they'll they'll often times

[51:33] want to own that those pad sites. So, I don't want to I don't want to mislead

[51:37] you, >> okay?

[51:38] » So, the pad sites could be sold. Um, and ultimately the whole center could be

[51:42] sold, but that's that through stabilization, through us building the

[51:47] product and getting it leased up and stabilized, we'll own it.

[51:51] And we may own it for much longer. Just kind of like we talked about the fence.

[51:55] Yes, ma'am. >> Uh, is it some requirement that there

[51:58] has to be an entrance on Simmons besides one that takes the 18 wheelers?

[52:03] » It'll be it'll be a requirement for any type of development on that corner for

[52:08] » a requirement from who? >> From the grocery store.

[52:12] » You couldn't have two 407 >> all the No, ma'am. Not not to make it

[52:16] viable. fire

[52:21] » fire to be able to access the buildings and have coverage too.

[52:25] » But I mean, just to answer your question practically, if it's going to be a

[52:28] shopping center, it'll have to have a I mean a entrance off Simmons to be

[52:31] viable. You're not going to get any good tenants if you don't.

[52:34] » Yes, ma'am. >> What should I do with my sticker?

[52:37] » On those retention, when we have do have like a 100year rain

[52:43] next year or the next year, will they be able to be drained out? so that they're

[52:49] not full and running over and going down the hill to

[52:52] » Sure. >> houses.

[52:53] » Sure. It's it's nothing more than a holding tank. So, it's a it's a it's a

[52:58] big opening with a small discharge. So, it's it's it's a big surface area three

[53:03] and a half three three and a half acres and then the water is discharged at a

[53:08] slower rate through a small valve at the end of the pipe.

[53:11] » Discharged where? >> Just primarily below into that pond

[53:16] there. wherever the we're we're responsible for

[53:21] discharging the water out as it would naturally be discharged if there was any

[53:26] development above it. So, it's going to roll downhill,

[53:31] but it's only going to roll downhill at the same pace that it would if the

[53:35] property was not developed. >> That's my That's our requirement.

[53:42] » Anything else? >> What do we do with our sticker?

[53:45] » Tell us about this. >> That's why I was just going to

[53:49] Thank you. I appreciate it. [clears throat]

[53:51] » Thank you all. [applause] >> Again, folks, this is preliminary. We

[53:57] want as soon as we found out that the contract was at the stage it was at, we

[54:02] scheduled this meeting. We've had three meetings with these developers. All

[54:07] right. The first time when we went through the rules and says you can't do

[54:10] this, you can't do this. They have to have called us back. All right. And then

[54:14] we had a meeting just a week ago. So we're still in the learning process as

[54:18] well. As far as the stickers are concerned, you've got three pictures up

[54:23] here if you want to come up and just put the sticker on which picture that you

[54:27] think would be uh the best architecturally. That was only done to

[54:31] just get a little bit of excitement going to get some idea on what you all

[54:35] like. Um it could it could be something that if developed might be completely

[54:41] different. So, we just wanted to start here. We're at the very, very, very

[54:46] beginning of if this moves forward. >> So, with that said, we're going to run

[54:52] out of time here with the church. So, um there will be more public meetings.

[54:56] There will be more information shared to the town as things progress, if it

[55:00] progresses. So, I appreciate you all coming out on Saturday. Thank you. feel

[55:04] free to come up and and put your sticker on one of the three there if you'd like

[55:09] and we will uh talk to you all here and keep you informed as we move forward.

[55:13] Thank you. >> Thank you.

Town of Double Oak - Community Meeting - Proposed Development 407 & Simmons

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