July 21, 2026 Eau Claire County Board of Supervisors Meeting

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[0:01] All right, I will call this meeting to order on Tuesday, July 21st at 7 p.m.
[0:11] Please stand as you are able to honor the flag.
[0:17] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
[0:24] republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisibley
[0:30] » with liberty for all.
[0:37] » And Supervisor Swanson, a moment of reflection, please.
[0:42] » Thank you, Chair Coffee. Happy birthday to the US of A. To
[0:48] celebrate it, I'm sure Supervisor Duca would have brought in tasty cupcakes.
[0:54] Supervisor Myin likely would have given us a tasteful flag display. My gift is a
[1:00] promise to keep this message short. I think most of us can agree that our
[1:05] country today is pretty divided, but that's hardly unusual for our continuing
[1:09] experiment at 250 years young. The American Revolution was met with a lot
[1:14] of push back from loyalists, but we got through that period. The Civil War was
[1:19] obviously a divided time, but we've somehow come together and most can agree
[1:24] we've we've made uh a [clears throat] lot of progress in regarding civil
[1:28] rights, some progress. Most of us have lived through the
[1:31] Vietnam period when there was a lot of division in this country. I am
[1:36] cautiously optimistic we'll get through the divided times we're in now, maybe
[1:40] during my lifetime. Closer to home, I'm very optimistic that we as
[1:47] county supervisors together with county employees will come together for the
[1:50] common good. As we launch into another budget cycle, not everyone will get what
[1:55] they want, but we will continue to provide for the needs of our county
[1:59] residents. There is a phrase coined by a 15th
[2:03] century English poet which was popularized by Abe Lincoln. It goes like
[2:09] this. You can please some of the people all of the time. You can please all the
[2:15] people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the
[2:19] time. Sure, coffee.
[2:22] » Hallelujah. [laughter] Thank you. Um, please mark yourselves
[2:28] present if you haven't already done so.
[2:34] Then we will move to the approval. Whoops. Make sure first of all
[2:44] » 24 present approval of the journal of proceedings
[2:50] for June 16th. I have a motion by supervisor
[2:55] Schumanker, a second by Supervisor Jenkins, and um are there any
[3:02] corrections before we move on to vote on the journal of proceedings?
[3:09] corrections or comments.
[3:16] Okay, we will just do a voice vote then. All
[3:21] those in favor, >> we'll do a vote. Okay, we'll go ahead
[3:26] and vote on the journal of proceedings for June 16th. A yes means you approve.
[3:40] Clark. >> Supervisor Clark.
[3:46] » Um, it's not letting me vote. I approve. >> Okay. Thank you.
[3:55] All right. 21. Yes. Three abstain. Oh, maybe they weren't
[4:02] here. [laughter] All right. Thanks. That all makes sense.
[4:06] Three abstain because of absence.
[4:11] And we will go on then to public comment. I know we have one public
[4:17] comment if you would come up Josh.
[4:23] And Josh did send an electronic um public comment as well. And he will give
[4:30] his name and his address and he can give his public comment.
[4:37] My name is Joshua Hill. My address is 2811 Richard Drive, Oakclair, Wisconsin.
[4:43] Um, I just like to voice some concerns about the flock safety license plate
[4:47] readers that are currently in use around Oaklair. Um, I believe that this system
[4:52] constitutes unwarranted observation and tracking of the
[4:57] citizens, which I do not believe is strictly speaking legal. Um, I believe
[5:01] it's also worth mentioning that most of the surrounding counties have a flock
[5:06] safety transparency portal page which has some information about how the
[5:10] systems used and how effective it is. Um, Oaklair does not maintain that page
[5:14] at this time. So, I would like to respectfully consider that that be
[5:18] addressed in the near future. Thank you. >> Thank you. Is there any other public
[5:24] comment?
[5:28] Any other public comment? You may step forward.
[5:44] Again, if you'll state your name and your address and then you may go forward
[5:48] with your public comment. >> Good evening. My name is Simone Thomas.
[5:53] My address as it applies to this meeting is 309 East Lake Street, Oaklair,
[5:59] Wisconsin. My home address is in Monomony.
[6:03] My comment today is one of gratitude. Two years ago, I stood here with fear
[6:10] and desperation. Today, I stand here with hope. Hope
[6:15] because as a county, I see some actions being taken that is supportive of our
[6:19] homeless community. And for me that hope has a name. That name is Angela Stokes.
[6:27] For the past year and a half, I have had the pleasure of working alongside Angela
[6:31] Stokes. Nights that I would go home and not be
[6:35] unable to sleep. I was new to my job, didn't have all the access to the
[6:39] resources, didn't know all the names to connect all the dots. And she walked
[6:43] into my office and I explained to her what I wanted and what I needed and what
[6:47] I wanted to see. in a little by little, moment by moment, in the past few months
[6:53] what we do together. I walk with two phones. I don't know if she knows my
[6:58] work phone number because she already has my personal phone number. We talk
[7:02] this morning at 6:40 a.m. We meet most Thursday mornings at 7 a.m. We share
[7:08] collaborative meetings together. And at the end of every meeting, what is near
[7:13] and dear to my heart is that we're talking about outcomes for families. 309
[7:18] East Lake Street is a family homeless shelter downtown that has been there for
[7:21] 32 years. I have been in place now for two years. We have a lot of work to do,
[7:27] but I am grateful for the strides that we're making because when the police
[7:32] shows up at my door with a family and I am full, I can call Angela Stokes. I can
[7:37] call the outreach team. When a family shows up and the the services that they
[7:43] need are outside the scope of what the shelter can accommodate, I now have a
[7:49] place to call. Please remember we have homeless persons in the community and
[7:54] they need help too. The lens I look through are the lens
[7:58] that are focusing on the newborn babies with colostomy bags. I am looking at the
[8:04] newborn babies that do not have a chance on their own and outside is not going to
[8:11] work for them. The lens I am looking through are the
[8:15] service animals that the families may have or the emotional support animals
[8:19] that are not yet legal for some spaces that the families may have. But now
[8:23] today I am here with hope to say thank you very much for the support that
[8:27] you've provided Angela Stokes. Please continue to do so and know that the work
[8:31] that is being done is absolutely powerful. Any family that call me today,
[8:36] there's a hotel in town that there are several families that are now calling me
[8:39] and what am I doing with them? I am connecting them back to the county so
[8:43] that the resources that are in place can be utilized for the people that need
[8:47] them in the way that they can get them. I can see measurable outcomes. I am
[8:53] sorry I did not get here in time to sign up. Please stop me when I get to my
[8:56] three minutes. I can see measurable outcomes, but the
[9:01] most powerful part of it is when a family says, "My God, why no one told me
[9:07] that this existed before?" Or a family is able to say,
[9:13] "I can now provide for my children."
[9:18] Collaboration is what is bringing us here today. I don't know what you do
[9:22] every day and I am grateful that I don't need to know what you do every day, but
[9:27] I'm saying thank you and to ask you to please continue to do so and to know
[9:32] that the person that you've put in place to make it work is moving in ways that I
[9:39] could never possibly imagine. We have a meeting on Wednesday evenings uh every
[9:44] other Wednesday. Um my manager of shelter operations attends mostly. I
[9:48] will now be joining that meeting because we now have another piece that we're
[9:52] going to be working on. You see, there's this word we use a lot. It's called
[9:55] collaboration. And a lot of times we don't actually know what collaboration
[9:59] means. Together at this meeting, we are now knowing and acknowledging and using
[10:06] and able to show specific outcomes at these meetings. Lutheran Social Services
[10:12] has been around for quite some time. LSS gaining ground. Now we're able to start
[10:18] working together. Who's bringing all these people together? What are you
[10:22] asking for that the people you put out to say go and get the work done is
[10:26] pulling us all together to make it happen. It is working. It is working. I
[10:31] am sleeping better at night. It is working. More families are getting
[10:36] access to the resources that they need. We need more housing.
[10:43] But I believe you know that we're stretched thin. I am confident that you
[10:48] are going to be making the choices and the decisions that will get us there. So
[10:53] again, I apologize. Thank you for accommodating me tonight. If you look on
[10:57] our website, you'll see some family stories. That is because I have support
[11:01] to be able to do the job. None of this job is done alone. But today I can say
[11:05] I'll be moving into my third year with hope and with pride because I now have
[11:11] the resources and the support of a county that is saying we are really
[11:15] looking at taking the work to the next level. At least that's what I am
[11:18] believing because of the support that I am getting and the work that Angie and I
[11:22] are doing together. So thank you very much.
[11:25] » Thank you.
[11:30] » This moves this topic moves right into our oral report.
[11:34] Um, Angie Stokes, could you come up please? And housing our neighbors
[11:39] update.
[11:46] [snorts] And you do have a PowerPoint
[11:52] that was provided um in a separate email.
[11:56] You can get to that.
[12:03] Oh, somehow my >> No, I think it's okay. I It went off the
[12:09] the po try the mic again >> because I know you like to move around.
[12:13] It's okay. We'll try to It's okay. I can do this.
[12:16] » Okay, you can. >> Good. I'm not really good at sitting
[12:18] still. Um, so John asked us to come and give an update on the Housing Our
[12:22] Neighbors Planning Collaborative. I think we were here about six months ago
[12:26] um talking about that. So, that's what I'm going to talk about tonight. I'm
[12:31] going to give um I'm going to give a little bit of
[12:35] background about how we got here, what the efforts are so far, highlight some
[12:39] of our successes, and then talk about our next steps.
[12:44] So, I wanted to first take a minute um to read a um I spent some time with
[12:50] Carrie Poser. She's the executive director of the Balance of State, which
[12:53] is the state homeless organization. She's very wellconed and um is very good
[12:59] at telling us what will work, what's working around the country, what's not
[13:03] working around the country um and real kind in her feedback and sometimes
[13:07] gently scooting me in a different direction. So Carrie um has been she's
[13:13] been real kind in meeting with me to talk about homeless efforts in Oaklair
[13:17] previously um and then to give us feedback on the work that we're doing.
[13:20] So what Carrie said is ending homelessness is a challenge is
[13:23] challenging because it's rooted in shortages, not enough affordable
[13:26] housing, limited access to high demand services such as mental health care and
[13:31] substance use treatment, insufficient employment opportunities, and too few
[13:35] highly trained qualified case managers. Too often what we do have are
[13:41] well-intentioned people working hard to help. But their efforts can be
[13:44] fragmented and siloed without centering the voices and priorities of those
[13:48] actually experiencing homelessness. Lasting solutions require listening to
[13:52] what people want and need rather than assuming we already know the answer.
[13:56] Housing Our Neighbors is a collaborative effort that places people with lived
[14:00] experience at the forefront of planning and decision-making. By creating an
[14:04] informed, coordinated plan with a shared vision, aligning resources around common
[14:08] goals, and working together across systems, we can build sustainable
[14:11] solutions that not only address homelessness, but help prevent it. So
[14:16] when I told Carrie I had to give a presentation, she sent me this because
[14:19] she said, "I don't actually think you always understand the impact that this
[14:23] group is having together and the level of collaboration that you have in
[14:27] Oaklair. That's very unusual um compared to other communities.
[14:32] Um I wanted just to review kind of where we got started. So the city county
[14:37] health department gives an assessment. I want to tell you it's every two years.
[14:42] If Lisa was here, I would ask. It might be every three." Um, and what the
[14:46] priorities were that were identified in the last one in 2024 from across the
[14:50] county are alcohol misuse, poor mental health, lack of child care and
[14:55] affordable child care, um, substance misuse, and then lack of affordable
[14:59] housing. I bring this up because the affordable housing, the lack of it
[15:03] contributes to homelessness in our community.
[15:07] Oops, too many pushes. Um, we've talked, Angie's talked about this a lot. I think
[15:12] other people have our Alice data. So if we look across our county, a third of
[15:17] Oaklair residents cannot afford basic needs. That means food, shelter, child
[15:22] care, transportation. So just basically what they need for them and their
[15:26] families to live. Um to afford a two-bedroom in Oaklair, an apartment, a
[15:31] basic apartment, you would need to make $21 an hour. If you're earning minimum
[15:36] wage, you would need to work 116 hours to be able to afford an apartment
[15:42] two-bedroom. And looking at our data, 30% of renters are cost burden mean that
[15:48] they spend more than 30% of their income every month on uh rent, utilities. The
[15:54] goal if you're budgeting is to not spend more than 30% of of your total income on
[16:00] your living expenses. housing.
[16:05] Um, the other thing that we shared with you last time we were here is that
[16:08] homelessness is expensive. It's expensive because it costs about 40
[16:12] night $40 a night in an overnight shelter. If you do some math and you're
[16:16] there for a month, it's $1,200. Staying in the county jail for a night
[16:21] is about $112. The cost of a single filing for a court,
[16:25] so if I'm arrested and get charged with something, $354.
[16:30] one night in an in a Winnebago or Mandota is $1,756.
[16:36] Um, we know that this impacts folks across the board, but oftentimes these
[16:42] costs are more associated with individuals that do not have stable
[16:45] housing.
[16:49] So, a review of how the collaborate collaborative started. I'll try to do
[16:52] this quick. Um, in October of 2024, Department of Human Services, the
[16:58] chamber, and the Oaklair City County Health Department came together to dis
[17:03] to come together to provide some leadership around homelessness. Lots of
[17:07] great work was happening, but that work was happening in silos. In December of
[17:11] 2024, um, we brought Jim Matthew from Milwaukee in to talk to business
[17:15] leaders, school superintendents, police, sheriff, uh, Jonah.
[17:21] Uh the bids were there from Oaklair because they had decreased street
[17:25] homelessness in my wa in Milwaukee by 98%.
[17:28] We're not Milwaukee. I get that a lot of feedback that we're Oaklair, not
[17:31] Milwaukee. I know. But they did great work and if we can steal some of those
[17:35] ideas, it will help Oaklair. This um and then that spring, so the
[17:41] spring of 2025, we called service providers together. WMadison had us
[17:46] helped us with a a citizen summit. We met with multiple leaders in the
[17:51] community, multiple service providers, um, business owners to get feedback on
[17:55] what folks felt like needed to happen in order to work on homelessness in
[18:00] Oaklair. In the summer of 2025, we put a report out. I think that actually
[18:05] happened in the fall. We wrote the report in the summer. And then since
[18:09] that time, we've been doing what that report told us to do.
[18:14] Um, one of the things that is very important to our group is to have folks
[18:17] with lived experience. So, we have had individuals who are either are homeless
[18:22] currently or have been homeless at at our meetings um at our gatherings so
[18:28] that they could give the perspective of what it's like to be homeless in
[18:30] Oaklair, how they became homeless, and what would have to happen for them to
[18:34] get housing and to be stable. Our goal is that homelessness in Oaklair is
[18:41] brief, rare, and non-reoccurring. We know that you are never going to get rid
[18:45] of homelessness completely. Circumstances happen. The goal is for
[18:48] when that happens to walk alongside people and get them back into stable
[18:53] housing as quickly as possible. Um, the collaborative has grown a bit,
[18:59] so we've added the city of Oaklair, the city of Altuna. Um, there's a
[19:03] representative from Jonah on there. There's a group in Oaklair that's
[19:07] raising money for homelessness led by Terry Weld and Jill Christopherson
[19:10] called for goodness sakes. They sit on there and then we have three individuals
[19:15] um in addition to the city the county department of human services um and city
[19:21] county health department. Those are the folks that are on there. The goal of
[19:25] that group is to provide leadership to look at policies that are impeding um
[19:31] folks being able to get affordable housing to look at funding and how we
[19:35] can leverage funding from local um nonprofits to businesses to county
[19:41] government. That's the role of that group. The that group um listens to the
[19:47] strategy groups that are working below them.
[19:52] What does the report do? So, the report, I think you maybe all got a one-page
[19:56] copy. If you want a copy, I'd be happy to give it to you again. I think it's
[20:00] like 60 pages. It's on our website. Um provides information on the current
[20:04] state of homelessness in Oaklair. It gives um it we gathered feedback from
[20:10] service providers, local leaders. It talks about what they said. Um and then
[20:15] it lists the six strategies that we would need to do in Oaklair in order to
[20:19] get homelessness to functional zero. One, the first one of is to align the
[20:23] system so we get all of the folks that providing services to folks that are
[20:28] homeless moving in the same direction. Uh Simone talked about that a little
[20:32] bit. She was really really kind. The work that I'm doing, I'm real happy to
[20:36] be doing it, but it's a whole village working together. There's lots of people
[20:41] doing lots of things. The second strategy group is looking at data. So
[20:47] how do we look at outcomes to measure our success and then use that to
[20:52] continually get better. The third one is homeless is outreach. What we learned
[20:58] from talking to other communities looking at where homelessness had
[21:01] decreased significantly. We needed a street outreach team. You need a team
[21:06] that's going to go out and meet people where they're at. Department of Human
[21:09] Services decided to take that role on. We currently have six individuals on our
[21:14] team as of Monday. Um they sometimes are out at 4:30 in the morning in the
[21:18] parking ramps. They are um under bridges. They're out in parks. They uh
[21:24] two days a week are at the day resource center. Thursday mornings they're at
[21:27] Sojer. They're at community table. I just had the team in Fall Creek in
[21:31] Augusta. Um so they are out regularly meeting with people where they're at.
[21:37] The reason that's important is because the best place to build relationships is
[21:41] when you go to folks rather than expecting them to come to you. None of
[21:46] the work that we do can be done without relationships. Recovery happens best in
[21:52] the context of relationships. Fourth one is preventing homelessness.
[21:56] Um, so it's much easier, frankly, to keep
[22:00] folks home than it is to try to get them into another housing situation when they
[22:06] become homeless. The fifth is affordable housing. Um, Oaklair is a lack of
[22:11] affordable housing. I think everyone is probably well aware of that. And then
[22:15] the sixth one is community engagement. So, how do we get natural supports in
[22:18] place and get folks connected to their community? So, those are the six
[22:22] strategies. Um, we've been real purposeful in starting those off one at
[22:26] a time. I can talk a little bit about that
[22:29] later. It's real important. What does the report not do? Um, it does not um
[22:35] what tell it it does not tell people what to do. I
[22:39] have been never been successful in my life walking into a room and telling
[22:43] people what to do. Uh, I've had much more success walking into a room asking
[22:48] people what they need and then listening to that carefully and trying to respond
[22:52] to that. So, it's important to know. Lots of people have given a lot of
[22:56] feedback that they're afraid we're going to come and tell them what to do. And I
[22:59] think after a year and a half of doing the work. I don't get that question very
[23:02] much anymore. Um, and the flexibility, we have flexibility in the schedule, in
[23:07] the plan. So, when our strategy teams are meeting, if things come up and they
[23:11] need to to pivot to meet those needs, they're able to do that. We are not
[23:15] looking to repeat past or current efforts, but rather to build on those.
[23:19] We really carefully listen to folks about what had happened previously and
[23:22] what worked and then we are building that in to our work.
[23:28] Uh what's going well? So I did this PowerPoint a couple days ago. We had 57
[23:32] folks in housing at that time. We currently today have 61 folks in
[23:35] housing. Um 98% are staying in housing. I have two individuals who are still
[23:40] working with but for a variety of reasons needed to not um needed to not
[23:46] be where they are at. Um, so we are still working with them and we'll get
[23:50] them back in housing, but we're at about 98%.
[23:53] Um, 26 of those are children. We have case conferencing every morning and my
[23:59] team tells me about the children that are on the streets, the pregnant moms
[24:01] that are on the streets, living in the forest, living under the bridges. Um,
[24:07] two, all but four of those folks, so of the 61, 57 came right off the street.
[24:13] four was a a family of two a partner and uh two children who were going to be
[24:20] evicted and needed to get somewhere else. So, we were able to get them in a
[24:23] hotel over the weekend and then get them into a another place on Monday. Um this
[24:29] is important. A shelter Simone does a fantastic job and it's hard to go into
[24:36] shelter when you're a family. So, we've been able to take two families and and
[24:40] deflect them away from shelter, get them uh from the street into housing. That
[24:45] was not done alone. Simone helped with that. Um Bridget with the police has
[24:49] been super super helpful. So, it's been a team to make that happen. Um we have
[24:54] 172 folks that we are working with. So, um 172 folks that are actively homeless.
[25:01] I will tell you this morning at case conferencing we had 26 people in cars we
[25:05] checked in with last night. So every day that number seems to be growing. Um
[25:10] » I referenced there the by name list. One of the things that we were told is you
[25:15] need to keep track of the folks that are homeless. We have a state system called
[25:19] coordinated entry. Not everybody is interested in being on there. So in
[25:23] order to figure out the scope of the um challenge we're working with, we need to
[25:27] keep a separate list. So that's what we've been doing. Um our outreach team
[25:32] has made connections. We work real closely with the Oaklair uh police
[25:36] department. We've talked to the Fall Creek Police uh police department,
[25:39] Augusta Police Department, made contact with Fairchild. So, we're working really
[25:43] hard with law enforcement. We work um I meet regularly with the Oaklair PD and
[25:48] then neighborhood services with the city of Oaklair. Oaklair is the place that we
[25:52] have the majority of our homeless folks. Um but I will tell you that is not
[25:57] unique. We had an a call a couple weeks ago from the Fall Creek Police that
[26:00] asked us to come and work with a individual that was in a bathroom in a
[26:04] park living there. We met with the Augusta police and they were able to
[26:08] share some folks that were living in the woods without electricity or running
[26:11] water. Um so it's not just in Oaklair, the city.
[26:17] Um as I said earlier, we have specific places where we go each week. That's
[26:21] been helpful because um our partners will know where we're at and can find
[26:24] us. I had an one of my team members today was at the day resource center and
[26:30] she said I left three times Angie. Um so she walked out the door two individuals
[26:34] that were homeless asked them for help. She went back in came out same thing
[26:38] different people went back in came out same same thing. So um I would tell you
[26:44] that our our team is well respected in the community. Folks know where to go to
[26:49] get help and um they're they're coming to find them. We have individuals as I
[26:55] said relationships are key here. So we have individuals that we have been
[26:58] working with for nine months. In the beginning they didn't want to talk to
[27:01] us. We didn't put any pressure on them but we kept approaching and now we have
[27:06] a number of folks that are just starting to work with us because they trust that
[27:09] we are there to help them and listen to them.
[27:12] Um we have lots of referrals that come in from community partners. I get a lot
[27:16] of calls every day. Can you help with this? Um can you help connect a person
[27:20] with this? So I think one of the things that we noticed in the beginning is we
[27:25] had a lot of individuals doing individual work and I would say now we
[27:28] have a lot more folks working collaboratively together.
[27:34] Um we have made contact with all of the
[27:37] hospitals. So we've met with Marshfield in conjunction with city county health.
[27:40] We've met with Mayo and we've met with North Lakes. Um I think we haven't I
[27:45] think we've been emailing with the free clinic but haven't actually met with
[27:48] them. Uh we have a case conferencing, Simone
[27:51] alluded to that, that happens every two weeks. So we bring about 15 service
[27:55] providers together to talk about who's doing what for who, what can we do to
[27:59] support each other. Um that came off a release of information. So one of the
[28:04] the pieces when we talked to Lacrosse about what they were doing down there,
[28:07] they said, "You need a release of information." So folks that are working
[28:10] with us, sign a release of information. That way they don't have to tell their
[28:14] story over and over and over. We have the information so I can call Simone. we
[28:19] can talk about what what the family needs. We can figure out how to make
[28:23] that happen and then the person that the that that family trusts the most can
[28:28] help get them what they need and um and get them their support.
[28:33] Uh sober living has been fantastic. We work closely with Oaklair Sober Living.
[28:38] Um, we have some individuals that need help with substance misuse. And then we
[28:42] also are working real closely with um, his name is Adam and I cannot remember
[28:46] the name of the sober living facility he runs, but he's spectacular. Um, and then
[28:52] we started, one of the things we noticed is rent in Oaklair is high. So, we did
[28:56] some work to figure out what could we do to provide housing that's more
[28:59] affordable. So, um, I happened to be at a conference. I met a woman. She does
[29:03] shared housing. So what we have started to do with the help of Sharon is um
[29:08] master lease some apartments where we are the the landlord for those and then
[29:12] we can make the rent is much cheaper. So rather than paying you know $1,200 for
[29:18] rent we can pay not we the people can pay $500 for rent. Um it's helpful also
[29:25] with community. So our team goes in um meets with sometimes daily with
[29:30] individuals. We set up house rules and then it helps people also have community
[29:35] because being homeless is very very isolating
[29:39] um challenges. We have more people aging into homelessness. So at our case
[29:45] conferencing ADRC comes to that um they are noticing more and more uh firsttime
[29:50] elderly homeless. So they're on fixed income. Someone has bought the property
[29:55] that they've been living in for 30 years. Rent is going doubling. They no
[29:58] longer can pay that. um more folks becoming homeless later in life that
[30:03] have disabilities. We have a number of individuals on the street that are in
[30:07] wheelchairs, have walkers. Um Lisa from the Day Resource Center called me the
[30:12] other day and there's a gentleman who's blind.
[30:15] So, we we just have a lot more people that are first-time homeless, old, and
[30:21] have disabilities. Um we have a lack of case management
[30:27] locally. It's not that what we have isn't good. It's that we don't have
[30:31] enough folks to walk alongside people. What people need is somebody to listen
[30:35] to them to help them access resource and get them connected. That's that's mostly
[30:39] what folks need. Um lack of affordable housing, which I
[30:43] said lack of transitional housing. So, if you are coming out of jail, if you're
[30:48] coming um out of if you're frankly coming out of the hospital after
[30:52] surgery, we have a number of individuals that we supported that have had to have
[30:56] surgery in the hospital. there's nobody to discharge to. You're getting
[30:59] discharged to the street from back surgery, from hip surgery. Um, so that's
[31:06] a challenge. Um, continued lack of understanding of who is homeless. I
[31:10] talked to Sojuna regularly. Lucas regularly has 20 plus individuals that
[31:15] are working part-time or full-time that are staying in shelter. We have um an
[31:19] individual our team is working with. He rides his bike 10 miles to work every
[31:23] day back and 10 miles back and forth and he doesn't have enough money for
[31:28] housing. You can't save up if you make if you don't make much money saving up
[31:33] for security deposit. I was talking to a landlord today. He wants security
[31:36] deposit uh first two months rent and last month's rent. So he wanted four I
[31:43] probably just did that math wrong, but he wanted four four months rent. So, he
[31:46] needs $2,600 that if you don't make that much in two
[31:51] months, you certainly can't save that much money. Um, a long list of items.
[31:56] So, we have lots of lists. We put lots of people on lots of lists. If you spend
[32:00] a lot of time with me, I understand we need lists. They irritate me because I
[32:03] think our function should not be to put you on a list. So, we have people on
[32:06] lists that don't come off of lists. We have housing lists. The city has a
[32:09] housing list. The county has a housing list. We have a coordinated entry list.
[32:13] very few people get housing out of those lists. Um, our homeless numbers are
[32:18] growing. Um, our systems are built on the assumption that folks have a level
[32:23] of stability in order to access services. So, we run CCS. It's really
[32:28] hard if you're homeless to meet all of those requirements if you do not have
[32:31] stable housing. Um, and then we have and I I really appreciate when people call
[32:38] us for help. We have a lot of folks that need a lot of help. So um that's that is
[32:43] a challenge every day.
[32:47] Um so that's kind of individually how things are going from a system
[32:50] perspective. Our system we have an executive team as I said the the role of
[32:55] that executive team is to look at policies to look at funding. It it's not
[32:59] to push down directives. It's to listen the other way. We have a leadership team
[33:04] that we have not pulled together yet. The leadership team will consist of the
[33:07] leads of the strategy teams. we don't have all our strategy teams in place. Um
[33:12] and then we have a communications team just coming together that will be led by
[33:16] the city county health department. Um strengthening outreach. I talked about
[33:20] that a little bit. We started a street outreach team. We called together all
[33:24] the other folks that are doing outreach. So we called um Vivant Health was there.
[33:29] Oaklair PD was there. Workforce Resources was there. Chipo Valley Street
[33:33] Ministry was there. Um Department of Workforce Development was
[33:37] there. So we we all the people that are out in Oaklair doing outreach, we called
[33:41] them together to say like let's do the work together. We'll figure out who has
[33:45] what resources and how we can best share those. Uh community engagement. This is
[33:49] run by a woman with lived experience who spoke to the uh board a couple months
[33:53] ago and Paul Cvites um truly wonderful human in Oaklair. Um and they're looking
[33:59] at what can the community do? So how do we get natural support? So if you're
[34:02] homeless and you're 60 years old, how are you accessing the senior center? if
[34:07] you um are 23 and and want some recreation, how do we get you connected
[34:12] with the YMCA? How do we get folks that are homeless or at risk of being
[34:17] homeless connected with people that have housing? Um and how do we build those
[34:20] natural supports? So, if you have a social worker right now or peer support
[34:24] specialist, they can pull away and you have natural supports in place.
[34:28] Preventing homelessness, that group, Simone is leading that for me with Ryan
[34:31] Graham who works for the balance of state that is starting in August.
[34:36] um ensuring affordable housing. Rey, I talk a lot of people into a lot of
[34:40] things. Rey is actually starting to lead that with me. Um not the strategy,
[34:44] unless you want to. Um but we're starting with a a housing assessment. We
[34:48] had an assessment done in 2023 that gave us some information, but we've done a
[34:53] lot of building in Oaklair um and missed a a big demographic of aging uh folks
[34:59] and folks that need um less expensive housing. So, we're starting with that.
[35:05] Um, sharing data strategically. I think Angie and I shared that we were able to
[35:09] get $440,000 from the Pablo Foundation. Part of that was to hire a data analysis
[35:14] that could look at our data um locally, could figure out where our work
[35:19] [clears throat] where we could lean into our work that things were going well and
[35:22] then where we would maybe need to to find some improvements. So, that person
[35:25] is starting and they will lead that again with the health department. And
[35:28] then the last one, aligning the system. Um, we're trying to do some of that work
[35:33] now. That team has not yet started. Uh, what happens next? We're bu
[35:39] finishing the governance structure. This is not my favorite thing to do, so um
[35:43] it's not been super timely, but um we're finishing that up. And then um our
[35:48] strategy teams will continue to meet. Our data will be added to our website.
[35:53] We collect a lot of data right now. I don't have the skills to put that all
[35:56] together and then upload it into the website. And then we will continue to
[36:01] get folks housed and provide them with supports and services that they need for
[36:06] stability. Our goal is to get folks into housing that they can afford. So we're
[36:12] um working with individuals. They have a plan. The plan includes increasing
[36:17] employ increasing uh income. That's the number one social determinant for for
[36:21] health is financial stability. So we're working with DWD workforce resources. I
[36:26] just met with Goodwill. They have a program that they're doing that they
[36:29] piloted they they brought it to fruition on the eastern side of the state that
[36:33] they're bringing to the western side of the state. So really trying to get um
[36:37] folks into a position where they can afford their own housing.
[36:42] Who's involved with our work? I mean it takes a village. We have lots and lots
[36:46] of folks. We have some church groups. We have um as I said all of the community
[36:52] um service providers that are coming together. Um we have some I get emails
[36:56] from community members. what can I do to help? Usually I tell them to join a
[36:59] strategy team. So um the goal is if you want to contribute, we will find a place
[37:04] for you to do that based on your interest and your best skill set.
[37:08] Sorry I talked a lot and fast. I'd be happy to answer questions.
[37:15] We there are going to be quite a few questions. My head's just swimming.
[37:20] There's so much information here. We'll start with um Supervisor Wilkey, please.
[37:26] Angela, you've built a lot of credibility with this board and
[37:30] community. And I've been very impressed over time that you you do more than just
[37:35] talk nice things, okay, and collect data and all that stuff. You actually do
[37:41] hands-on and get in the trenches and try to make a difference. And we're seeing
[37:46] that. Um, I say that I think it's extremely important that you be able to
[37:51] share with us, especially seeing we're moving into the budget process. Okay. In
[37:58] fact, the administrator is going to follow you and he's going to advise us
[38:03] that uh we exceed our money by $655,000. So that means cuts are coming of some
[38:11] kind. I think it's important for you to express to us if not now in the near
[38:17] future specifically what not to cut okay in your opinion and what do we need to
[38:25] bolster up that might in the long run uh save money as as we move into this
[38:30] budget if you can't answer that now I do think you need to answer the ask what
[38:38] what are you asking from this board. >> Well, I I didn't actually come here to
[38:44] ask for anything. I mean, I have asked John John can probably recite what they
[38:47] are. Um, we we need some more folks on my team. I like I'm significantly
[38:53] concerned that I'm burning people out. Um, we have an ability to get more case
[38:57] managers through a Medicaid waiver program that we're not taking advantage
[39:01] of. I would recommend we do that. Um, >> you put those asks in to John
[39:06] » to the budget. >> Yes.
[39:08] » Yep. >> Okay. Um, so I mean I can speak for
[39:12] human services. The more we can do preventatively,
[39:17] we have folks right now in um in higher levels of care. So we have folks like in
[39:22] in group homes that don't need to be there, but there's no other housing
[39:25] available. So I can get them out of that and it will it will save money in the
[39:31] end. So, um I I understand that human services isn't a business, but what I
[39:38] will tell you is if we kept up with consumer need, we wouldn't be in crisis.
[39:45] And crisis is very expensive. So, if we can get folks before they need to go to
[39:50] Winnebago or Modota, that will be a budget savings. Um it's challenging
[39:56] right now because we have a level of crisis that we're dealing with and we
[40:01] need to do preventative work. But um I had an an individual a couple weeks ago
[40:10] that got picked up by the police and then went to um the Institute of Mental
[40:16] Disease and got re-released to the shelter there. I have no reason to
[40:21] believe that that individual will not be in the same crisis in two weeks going
[40:25] back to that very expensive care. So, if I could if
[40:30] if I had the ability to get them in housing right now, which we're starting
[40:33] to, I mean, um the work takes a lot of relationship building with landlords. Um
[40:39] I have a landlord that usually doesn't respond. He's a private landlord till
[40:43] like 10:30 at night. Um and then when he responds, he wants to, you know, he
[40:46] wants to know what's going to be helpful. Um, so if we can get folks
[40:52] earlier, we will save money in the end. Um, so I I'd say preventative things
[40:57] don't cut them. >> Okay. Thank you. Just as long as John
[41:01] got your asks. >> Yeah, John John knows. Yeah, he's he's
[41:04] knows what I want. I'm pretty assertive. So So is Angie.
[41:07] » He raised his eyelids. Tells me he >> Thank you. We will have Supervisor
[41:13] Russell followed by Supervisor Pagonus. Supervisor Russell.
[41:18] Thank you, Chair Coffee. Um, two questions. Uh, you mentioned that there
[41:23] are policies that are sometimes impeding. Um, could you just give an
[41:28] example of that? And then the other thing is I was wondering if the outreach
[41:32] workers are visible to the community. Do they wear identifiable clothing or
[41:37] something or how does that work that people know who they are?
[41:40] » So, no. Um, word of mouth. Um, I would say that's how people know who they are.
[41:46] Um, I mean I don't have a budget for clothing. So, and frankly I'm not going
[41:50] to spend money on clothing for my staff. Um, so I mean I guess if I was directed
[41:55] I would, but that's not what I'm gonna choose to spend money on. Um, so
[42:00] no, there's not clothing. And I'm sorry, what was your second?
[42:04] » Just examples of policies that um are being looked at or you view as impeding
[42:11] » um the assistance. Um well, for example, Western Dairland gets
[42:18] federal funding. So they can only work with folks when they come off of a list
[42:22] if the people have have chosen to go on the list. So we have individuals that
[42:28] have higher needs that for whatever reason don't want to go on the list that
[42:31] they can't work with. It's not a it has nothing to do with Western Dairland and
[42:35] whether they're impactful or not. It has to do with with that list that's tied to
[42:39] federal federal money. um
[42:43] policy like we expected before we had a street outreach team, we expected people
[42:46] to come to us if lots of people don't want to come to Department of Human
[42:51] Services because most people don't have fantastic thoughts about what we're
[42:54] going to do with their family when they do. So, it was important that we went
[42:58] out and met people where they're at. Um we have we have I I all the time I talk
[43:06] to my staff about this. We have um policies that say, you know, you need to
[43:11] attend this meeting at this time. If you're homeless, it is you are trying to
[43:15] figure out how to not be sexually assaulted, how to stay warm, how to find
[43:19] food. You aren't going to likely remember that at 2:00 you need to be at
[43:23] human services so you can do an assessment. We had an individual um I
[43:28] think about every single day I was happen to be in the lobby. He came in,
[43:31] he said, "I need treatment and I need it right now." and our response was, "Can
[43:35] you come back on Tuesday at two?" If we had a system that responded, if you're
[43:40] wanting to get sober, that is usually a real narrow window. Um, so if we can get
[43:46] on that, um, I mean, my staff knows if if you need something, here's how you
[43:50] can 15 ways you can find me. I need to know why you need something, but I can
[43:53] sign a wreck for that if we have a, you know, a if we know that it's going to be
[43:59] preventative and lead to a good result. So those kinds of things. We make a lot
[44:05] of rules and then we expect folks to I'm all for rules, but we often times make
[44:10] the rules and they're prohibitive for folks getting what they need. We also
[44:15] don't listen. We have this is what you can have. Like we we design a system. We
[44:20] designed supports for the people that are not in front of us. And so um we
[44:25] have to think about what people tell us and oftentimes we want to tell them what
[44:29] they need. >> Thank you. I made a mistake. Um,
[44:33] Supervisor Gabo, you are next. And then Supervisor Pagonus.
[44:39] » Hi, Angie. Thanks. Yeah, >> for what you're doing. Um, I mean, it is
[44:43] a multiaceted issue that we're facing. And there's I know we're seeing
[44:49] » about 100 people a day at the day resource center and probably close to
[44:52] 300 um unique individuals per month and uh
[44:58] trying trying to get them help. But when you when you're you're talking about the
[45:01] 57 or um I'm sorry 61 people
[45:07] that have housing, what what kind of housing are they getting? Is it is it
[45:12] transitional? Is it long-term? Is it sober houses? Is it all the above? And
[45:17] and how are you >> how how are they uh
[45:20] » is it all paid for by >> the most it's not paid for by us. Um
[45:25] very little of it right now is paid for by us. By us I mean the county. Um lots
[45:30] of time what folks need is like can you just like the first person that we the
[45:34] first person that we housed came into homelessness um had a falling out with
[45:38] her with a family that was co-signing on a apartment and had no idea what to do
[45:43] was staying at Sojourer so had money to pay for rent. So that was the first
[45:48] person that we got into housing. The second person um had a little bit of
[45:51] rent. So, we had a community member who um was running uh so we have some good
[45:57] community not we have community members who are running some houses that have
[46:02] just rooms in them. So, we were able to match that. Um we h so we uh it's a CSL
[46:09] house I believe Sarah Lightoot owns those. We've been able to work with her
[46:12] to get folks into those. Um Aaron Brewster owns a a house so we've had
[46:16] folks get in with there. We have working with some landlords just mostly what it
[46:21] is to be real honest with you is somebody walking alongside and helping
[46:25] and then checking on them every now and then. We have recently because of the
[46:29] Pablo dollars um and the Pablo dollars come with you
[46:33] have to house the hardest 20 people in Oaklair. So we've gotten folks that have
[46:37] been homeless for 10 years that have you know multiple felonies, multiple things
[46:42] um into shared housing. We have, I think, eight of those filled with um 12
[46:48] more coming up here. We are paying for part of that with um with the Pablo
[46:54] dollars. Um we have we were able to get some opioid dollars. So, we have I just
[47:00] did the report for that today. For any individual, we haven't paid for more
[47:03] than two months of their rent. Um, so mostly it's been working with
[47:09] landlords, figuring out who will take who, and then helping people get
[47:13] connected and then getting just having a checkup with a caseworker. We have had
[47:19] some referrals to C CCS, some referrals to CSP, um, but not at the rate that we
[47:25] have had people getting into housing with services. They just haven't needed
[47:28] that level of care. >> Yeah. I guess what I'm asking is they're
[47:33] housed now. Mhm. >> Um hopefully they were in house. Is
[47:38] there like a definition of what housed means?
[47:42] » It just that they're in they're in a a >> stable
[47:45] » Yes. >> Okay.
[47:46] » Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you.
[47:48] » Yeah. >> Good questions. Supervisor Piconus.
[47:53] » Um thank you, Madam Chair. Um Angie, I have two questions that might be
[48:00] related. >> Okay. Um, one question is that there's
[48:03] been some discussion in the past about homeless people from other communities
[48:09] coming into Oaklair >> because of resources.
[48:14] » Do you have a means or a way of determining the the homeless people
[48:19] you're working with or the other groups you're working with if they know where
[48:23] they're coming from? >> So, what we one of the things that we
[48:26] were asking because Lacrosse did this is um where's the last place you had
[48:29] housing? And if the last place was in Oaklair, I did not pull that tonight.
[48:34] Um, look, I can I remember the guy from the Cross telling me it's 78% of folks
[48:37] originate that are homeless in the cross um are currently still in the cross. I I
[48:42] don't um it's not that Oaklair doesn't have some good resources, but
[48:50] there's other places that have other resources also. Um so we do get folks
[48:55] dropped here. I my team will tell me um that's not what they're telling me
[49:00] regularly. So I could figure that out for you.
[49:03] » So then in terms of working with the balance of state which is encompasses
[49:10] 65 68
[49:13] » counties. Um, is there movement among the counties through the balance the
[49:21] balance of state? And I know that's a HUD program, but is that are the
[49:26] homeless people moved among the counties through balance of state? Would we be
[49:32] getting We would actually So, that's a great question to ask me. We actually
[49:36] are moving more people out of the county because of that. So, we have better luck
[49:40] getting luck is the wrong word. we have betters
[49:44] outcomes getting folks with actually Westcap which is Chipua counties north
[49:49] of us. So when you go on to the coordinated entry you have the option to
[49:53] say like I would be willing to move to Milwaukee rine Madison Wasau. So, we've
[49:57] been able to get more folks actually housed through that in other counties
[50:01] because they have more affordable housing options.
[50:04] » And you do that through the balance of state.
[50:06] » Oh. Um, >> or through a
[50:09] » We do that through the agency that the that gets the balance of state funding,
[50:13] I guess, would be the best way to say that.
[50:16] » Okay. >> So, balance of state doesn't house
[50:18] anybody. >> No, but they help. They help. Yes. Okay.
[50:22] But I think that answers my question. So just in summary,
[50:27] the people who are unhoused in Oaklair County are likely from Oaklair County.
[50:33] » Correct. >> Okay, that's all I That's my question.
[50:37] » Thank you. Are there any other questions?
[50:42] Lots of passion. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Okay, got that.
[50:47] » Thanks.
[50:51] We'll go on with the budget timeline and many of you I want to thank for
[50:58] coming to the six o'clock um meeting that director Schmansky put forward. I
[51:04] know for me I have to keep listening to it over and over again and get it to get
[51:08] it in my brain. So I appreciate all opportunities to do that.
[51:15] [snorts]
[51:30] Okay. Um, thank you. Um, I just wanted to give a quick update on the 2027
[51:36] budget process. Um, the initial request came in at the beginning of July and as
[51:42] Supervisor Wilkey, I'm going to share kind of that that gap that we're looking
[51:45] to to make up and then kind of go over some of the next steps in our budget
[51:50] process. Um, so Supervisor Wilkkey said, we have
[51:55] about a $655,000 gap between the requests for county tax
[52:02] levy and what we are projecting to have available. Um to give you some frame of
[52:08] reference, my first year here year that number was 5.2 million and last year it
[52:13] was 1.0 million. So we're moving in the right direction as far as that as far as
[52:18] that goes. Um some of the assumptions that we have built into this budget so
[52:24] far and we're going to get new information as we go along. Um we have
[52:28] that a net new construction number of 1 and a.5%.
[52:33] um we'll get the final well the preliminary number will come out July
[52:37] 31st. So we'll update our projection then. Right now it's about 414,000 at
[52:42] that that one and a half%. So um if net new construction comes in above one and
[52:48] a half% it'll help us close that $655,000
[52:51] gap. If it comes in less then you know we're going to have to find additional
[52:56] additional funds. Um we budgeted preliminary $14.8 8 million in sales
[53:03] tax. Um that's that's less than we collected in 2025, but if you remember,
[53:08] there was um an exemption for utilities for residential customers in the summer
[53:14] that got put in the state budget. And I am just starting to get the first um
[53:21] comparison. So I got to compare the month this year compared to the month
[53:25] last year. and I want, you know, one more month where I can do that to see
[53:28] what that trend is to get a better estimate of um what the impact of that
[53:34] is going to be. So, we'll update that number. Um and then we have uh
[53:38] investment income of 1.5 million. That is the funds that um Glenda manages, the
[53:44] the county treasurer manages um you know keeping our funds um in our state local
[53:50] government investment pool earning about 3 um 5%.
[53:57] Expenses. So built into this budget already are a 2% cost of living
[54:03] adjustment in January and a 2% um midyear increase in July. That was
[54:09] something that was discussed with the committee on finance in budget and was
[54:13] sent out in that initial budget guidance earlier this year. Right now we are
[54:17] assuming a 10% increase in um health insurance and we're going to have a much
[54:23] better estimate of that um in August. We moved to a self-funded model last year.
[54:30] Well, instead of paying every month for somebody's health insurance to security
[54:35] health plan or you know, United Health, the county is paying the bills and has
[54:42] purchased insurance to help us um you know, cover high cost um claims. um
[54:51] with the thought with that is you can change how people get care and help bend
[54:56] the the cost curve and not get those increases
[55:00] year over year and deliver deliver care differently. Um and we're going to get
[55:04] some um initial numbers from our actuary on on how we are are doing with that as
[55:10] claims continue to come in. And then one other thing that's that changed with
[55:13] this budget, um we had the criminal um CJS department that was dissolved
[55:20] earlier this year. So now pieces of that are being moved across the county. Um
[55:25] for example, the coordinator is now going to be in administration.
[55:29] The um community service is now in the district attorney's office and we are
[55:34] looking at potentially moving some of the stuff that was done by the community
[55:39] transition center to human services with cost savings for the county.
[55:48] I know this is this is small but this just gives you an idea by by function of
[55:52] government um what the requests were and the change yearover-year in those
[56:00] in those functions
[56:08] and then next steps. So what's coming up next? um and you're going to focus on
[56:13] the items there in blue because that's where you get involved in the process.
[56:17] So, right now my department is going through the budget requests and um kind
[56:23] of doing a detailed review, making sure that we have a tool that we use to
[56:27] calculate wages and benefits. Does that match what you have in your budget? And
[56:32] those type of of items, looking at the variances, did you put in an extra zero
[56:36] in a a line item or something like that? Um, in July and August, the department
[56:42] heads are going to meet with administrator Johnson, um, Director
[56:46] Ecman from human resources, and myself, and we are going to go over their budget
[56:51] requests. Um, during those meetings, that's where we're going to come up with
[56:55] that um the what we need to do to close that that $655,000
[57:02] gap. As part of the budget guidance, we asked departments to come up with a plan
[57:07] that would potentially eliminate how ask them if you had to eliminate 5% of your
[57:13] county levy ask, how would you do it? Um so we're going to be reviewing those
[57:19] plans and then kind of coming up um with a you know a comprehensive plan. Um, I
[57:25] would ask that if you would like to know what a department is doing that you
[57:31] would reach out to the the department head directly and ask about that. Um,
[57:36] because lots of those plans are not going to um come to fruition and a lot
[57:42] of them do, you know, a lot of departments their only um
[57:47] their only cost is personnel. So it could potentially involve um personnel.
[57:52] So just you know if you would like to talk about a 5% plan with the department
[57:56] please reach out to the department head um directly.
[58:01] Okay. So in August and September departments are going to review their
[58:08] budgets with the oversight committees. um oversight committee does that I know
[58:14] we have some new board members and that might be a a term that you haven't heard
[58:17] before but it's just the the departments that report to a board right so my
[58:22] committee is finance and budget the county treasurer the county clerk and
[58:26] finance report to finance and budget so that's what we call our oversight
[58:30] committee um so we're going to be reviewing those with the oversight
[58:33] committees in late September um John's the or this county administrator's
[58:39] recommended budget is going to become available able in that that printed
[58:43] format. And then in October, the oversight
[58:47] committees are going to review the recommended budget with their
[58:51] departments and then those oversight committees can recommend changes. So,
[58:57] okay, we'd like to see this done differently, right? Administrator
[59:02] Johnson proposed um eliminating this. we would like to eliminate this instead as
[59:08] an as a as an example. So oversight committees are going to do that in
[59:13] October and then in that kind of that last week of October early November um
[59:18] committee on finance and budget is going to get together and put together its
[59:24] recommended budget. Um, so they're going to consider the the changes proposed by
[59:29] the the committees and then their own ideas and put together their recommended
[59:35] budget which then moves to the county board for deliberation um on November
[59:42] 10th and then November 12th in the afternoon if needed.
[59:51] So that's what's um coming up with the the budget.
[59:54] Any questions?
[1:00:06] Oh, we're coming up with questions here. Supervisor, good boy.
[1:00:11] » Oh, yeah. Jason. >> Yeah. I hope this isn't wasn't uh
[1:00:18] shared already, but we did we end 2025
[1:00:24] » ahead? >> Yes, we ended 2025 significantly under
[1:00:27] budget. >> Significantly under budget.
[1:00:29] » Yes. >> So
[1:00:32] what do we does that carry over then for this year? How is that figured in?
[1:00:39] » Yeah. So I mean I think what we'll do is as we're working with departments we
[1:00:42] will analyze why we were under budget right did we underestimate a revenue and
[1:00:47] can we potentially increase that that revenue in the next budget. Um for
[1:00:53] example I know we looked at utilities um last year and you know we had been under
[1:00:58] budget in utilities for the past few years and we were able to reduce reduce
[1:01:02] that that budget. So, that's how we're going to to um
[1:01:08] go forward with that type of that type of information.
[1:01:12] » Thanks. >> Good question, Supervisor Zuck.
[1:01:16] » Thank you, Chair Coffee. Um the original request that have come in is $655,000
[1:01:25] less than anticipated revenue. >> Yep. So it's also correct then that
[1:01:33] capital is not part of that. This is operational money only. Correct.
[1:01:37] » Yes. This is operational money. >> Thank you.
[1:01:39] » Good question. >> Mhm.
[1:01:42] » Is there any confusion about that at all between operational budget and capital
[1:01:48] budget? This would be a good time to ask that question if you have.
[1:01:54] Okay. I think they've got that. Good. Any other questions or comments?
[1:02:02] Thank you. Thank you.
[1:02:07] We will now have the county administrator update by administrator
[1:02:12] Johnson. Um you will notice several topics here. Report central budget
[1:02:18] timeline FTE committee review order outside of budget.
[1:02:40] Sorry. There we go. >> Good evening. Um, I'll be as brief as
[1:02:45] possible. And it was good question from Supervisor Gabo about 2025. That's um
[1:02:52] the first thing that I wanted to talk to the board about tonight was um report
[1:02:57] central. So I think it's very important that you
[1:03:00] understand where all our annual reports go and where you can access them. And
[1:03:06] one of the goals that we'll be focusing on from a training and education
[1:03:09] standpoint is accessibility for materials that are out there. We'll
[1:03:12] continue to do that maybe quarterly, but um you'll see emails from Samantha.
[1:03:17] You'll probably see an email showing some icons on your iPad. what do those
[1:03:21] do? How do they help you? We're going to continue to do that and keep messaging
[1:03:24] that so you get familiar where you can access documents uh related to our
[1:03:29] operations and especially finance and year end reports. So if you uh look at
[1:03:34] the screen here uh here's our website. So, what's really important as the last
[1:03:40] annual report came in from um DHS to access that and read that you can go
[1:03:45] under government and then go over to report central here.
[1:03:51] Oh, it's not showing it. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, there it came up.
[1:03:57] So, you see where the report central is here. There it goes. So, right from the
[1:04:01] website, it's public accessibility. You can go to it. You click on report
[1:04:06] central. Apologize for the delay. Um, we'll
[1:04:11] switch over here.
[1:04:15] » I think it's behind her. >> Oh, yeah. Thank you.
[1:04:20] So, then you go to report central. Here is where you see everything that's
[1:04:24] happening. And there's two years. So, if you wanted to look at um pick on our
[1:04:28] sheriff a little bit. So, the sheriff's department. Let's go down to the
[1:04:31] sheriff's department. And we go down alphabetically to
[1:04:36] sheriff. If I click on the drop- down arrow, there's these reports. I click on
[1:04:40] annual reports. You can look at 2024 information and 2025.
[1:04:46] So, it's that's really what we want you to to utilize is is this documentation,
[1:04:51] this accessibility um to look back, review what's happening. So, in 2025,
[1:04:56] our departments have all reported and to save time and instead of
[1:05:01] everybody coming here and giving an annual report, this is where you would
[1:05:04] go and look at it. And then if you have questions, my ask is that, hey,
[1:05:08] administrator Johnson, you know, hey, John, we've got a question. Send that
[1:05:11] through our office and we'll help you. We'll help direct that. Anything
[1:05:14] operationally that's maybe unique that way department heads, you know, they've
[1:05:18] asked me, it's like, you know, if you can bring questions through your office,
[1:05:21] that would help keep things organized so they don't drop the ball and forget to
[1:05:25] get back to a supervisor. But that's the type of example where, you know, I want
[1:05:29] to help with you and any questions you have. Um, so please use report central.
[1:05:34] Um the last report from department of uh human services is there under annual
[1:05:39] reports. You can see their 25 report. Um you you just click on the link and it'll
[1:05:44] download and then there you go. So the quarterly reports I'm just going to
[1:05:51] go back here. Um one thing that I really want to focus on for for everybody for
[1:05:55] for a reporting standpoint is annual reports. We used to do a lot of
[1:06:00] quarterly reports. What I'm having departments do now is focus on good
[1:06:04] outcomes and measurable results in their annual report. You still get the
[1:06:07] financial reports. So if you go down underneath um quarterly reports, you can
[1:06:13] see the financials too from every department. Um so whatever interest you
[1:06:21] may have, if you want any help, please reach out. We will help you find the
[1:06:24] information, but it's all there. That's the easiest way to go to it to to start
[1:06:29] looking at potential questions. If a constituent says, "Hey, what happened in
[1:06:32] this area?" You can go here first or just reach out and we can find out for
[1:06:35] you, too. But I just want to make sure you know that that information is
[1:06:38] available. Any questions on that?
[1:06:45] So more to come for training as far as you know how you access information
[1:06:49] access information from your um iPads. Uh and then you know where we house
[1:06:55] things. You know we also have a county board SharePoint site. We have a lot of
[1:06:59] information out there. So we're going to try to normalize that. Your expense
[1:07:02] reimbursements for travel, where can you get those? Um all that type of thing.
[1:07:06] We'll continue to work on that. So, any questions or
[1:07:12] » I don't see any questions yet? >> Um, Director Sami went over the budget
[1:07:19] timeline. Did a great job. I I think it's very important as we talked to our
[1:07:23] department heads. We just recently had our department head meeting where we
[1:07:25] went over the timeline as well. Um, to make sure when they present to their
[1:07:30] committee, their standing committee oversight committee, they're going to
[1:07:32] continue to do it the way they have done it. We're not saying they have to go
[1:07:36] through line item by line item, but we want to make sure every standing
[1:07:39] committee uh is familiar with what their budget request was and then later on in
[1:07:43] the year in October um the changes. Obviously, there will be changes because
[1:07:48] we have to balance the budget. Um so, we'll do the best we can with those
[1:07:51] changes and bring those forward um through that timeline and that process
[1:07:55] and everything will work out well, but it's going to be a lot a lot of h lot
[1:07:59] lot will be happening. Um my only in input I want to add to that is um
[1:08:04] community opportunity funding. So what's new this year is we changed how
[1:08:10] community agencies request the the levy funds we have available. It's no longer
[1:08:16] um the standard process through the board was community agencies would have
[1:08:19] a request they would come speak and then the board would just deliberate on how
[1:08:24] they want to disperse the funds that are available. There's a a process we opened
[1:08:28] up to all agencies here in Oaklair County. We had 28 applications come
[1:08:33] through the community funding um grant application. Those applications are have
[1:08:39] been dispersed to the departments that work with them to rank those
[1:08:44] applications. Uh so what will happen is a ranking will be provided to the
[1:08:48] finance and budget committee uh for their for their decision- making and how
[1:08:53] they want to disperse and allocate those funds. So, a lot more vetting and
[1:08:57] outcome base and what are we really getting out of the those funds that
[1:09:00] we're allocating to those agencies. So, um you'll see that as part of this
[1:09:05] budget timeline process as well. The goal there is to have all the rankings
[1:09:09] done uh by the end of August and so that an overall ranking can be um started to
[1:09:14] be communicated out through the board and through the finance and budget
[1:09:17] committee. That's our goal with that. But that is new this year. Uh so we want
[1:09:21] I just wanted to make sure everybody understood that. So that was uh
[1:09:24] advertised out through the paper and there's a lot of new agencies that
[1:09:29] applied and some that used to that did not apply. So we have some changes
[1:09:32] coming uh and I hope the information you receive from the rankings will be
[1:09:36] valuable for how they tie the services to our county priorities.
[1:09:42] Okay. Um last thing I I want to admit I made a mistake. So
[1:09:50] um so in in in my role as county administrator we were looking at
[1:09:54] position how we handling pos how we handle
[1:09:57] positions and one of the main goals I wanted to make sure was that as we go
[1:10:01] through our legislative process I wanted to make sure all the materials were
[1:10:04] vetted. I wanted to make sure everything from a fact sheet to the resolution to
[1:10:08] the finance implications to the legal review is all done in a timely manner so
[1:10:13] that materials brought before committees is is is processed and reviewed. As we
[1:10:18] did that, we were running into some issues with uh facilitation on where
[1:10:22] does that start? What committees does that uh a position start with? So, when
[1:10:27] you look at a full-time position or a change to a full-time position outside
[1:10:30] the budget process, [clears throat] we really haven't been doing a good job
[1:10:34] holding to code over the years. We were doing it randomly for for a while there
[1:10:40] to the whatever committee was first up, whether it was the standing committee,
[1:10:43] HR, you know, or the finance and budget. We kind of just went to that committee
[1:10:46] first to try to save time. When I came on board, I said, "Let's standardize it
[1:10:50] so everybody kind of knows the process." Um, and when I reviewed the code in
[1:10:55] title three, I kind of looked at HR as being that that authority. Uh, but I was
[1:11:00] wrong with that. Uh, where we need to start is with the oversight committee
[1:11:04] with positions. So, uh, we had a department head meeting earlier this,
[1:11:08] uh, well, it was just last week, uh, and I let the department heads know that
[1:11:12] going forward, all legislation still needs to follow the review process.
[1:11:16] We've reviewed that with the board where 10 days prior to a committee meeting, it
[1:11:20] has to be completed and reviewed, submitted. It will always start with the
[1:11:23] oversight committee first. That may be a change in timing, but that's the way the
[1:11:29] code is, and we we we need to follow our code. So, um, that will be happening
[1:11:33] going forward. I just want to make sure that's clear with the board. Um, we have
[1:11:38] not been following it as well as we should be, but going forward that's been
[1:11:41] cleared up and I appreciate everybody's input. Um, because my perspective was
[1:11:46] different in my previous role and I think everybody was experiencing it
[1:11:50] differently. That's why department heads really asked for clarity. So, some of
[1:11:53] the HR policies you've seen defining positions, that's all been needed to
[1:11:58] help standardize and clarify process. uh now with the code we can make sure that
[1:12:04] the positions go through that correct process. So that process is the standing
[1:12:08] committee, HR committee, finance if need be, and then county board.
[1:12:14] So just wanted to make sure everybody knew that. That was the last update I
[1:12:18] had for for the board tonight. >> Thank you. Um I see no questions.
[1:12:24] Everybody's tired. [laughter] Thank you so much and and thanks for um
[1:12:30] the transparency. We all are learning. We're we'll continue to learn and that's
[1:12:35] what's the most important. So written reports
[1:12:39] from finance department the 2026 contingency fund has remained the same.
[1:12:47] Are there any questions about the contingency fund?
[1:12:52] We'll go on then to June vouchers over $10,000
[1:12:59] any um Supervisor Fston.
[1:13:03] » Yes, thank you. I have two questions. The first is on uh page 10. I am
[1:13:09] wondering what the conducent business services uh for call center monthly fee
[1:13:14] of 5,000 is for.
[1:13:20] Director Shamanski is coming up.
[1:13:29] » Yeah, that so that is our child support um department where they transition from
[1:13:34] having a um person sitting at the front desk to a um outsourced call center that
[1:13:40] handles the the incoming calls.
[1:13:46] Okay, this is the Okay, so I saw it was only 5,000. It hit It hit the page this
[1:13:52] time because it was 10,000 combined to that vendor.
[1:13:54] » Exactly. >> Okay. Um and then on page 15, I have a
[1:14:00] question regarding Pleasant Valley Youth Ranch LLC. Um and it shows a a charge of
[1:14:06] 52,000. Um and I see it's a CCS charge. So I had I have two questions. Number
[1:14:12] one, is this an annual charge for this service? And is this just a complete
[1:14:18] pass through that CCS completely we get paid back through the state for?
[1:14:23] » So, uh the first question I'm going to I will have to follow up with um DHS on.
[1:14:28] But yes, CCS is a funded program. >> So, and it's and it's dollar for dollar.
[1:14:35] » Yes, CCS. Yep. >> And is this a question therapy?
[1:14:40] I I do not know what uh Pleas Pleasant Valley Youth Ranch is. Again, I'll have
[1:14:45] to >> Could you service for us?
[1:14:48] » Yep. >> Thank you.
[1:14:52] » Thank you. >> Um any other questions?
[1:15:00] » Okay, seeing none, we will go on to the next
[1:15:05] page. Oops. Excuse me.
[1:15:09] So presentation of petitions, claims and communications.
[1:15:15] » Um these are just requests first readings. Um first one is resoning
[1:15:20] request from the owner&m professional painting solutions and applicant
[1:15:24] Francisco Javier Lupz Berdugo for the town of Washington. And the other one is
[1:15:29] a resoning request from Mitchell Nap and applicant Eric Kaf um American lands
[1:15:36] ringing for the town of Brunswick. and these will be acted on at a future
[1:15:39] meeting. >> Thank you. We have a first reading file
[1:15:44] 26-27014
[1:15:48] and that is first reading as well. So do you want to
[1:15:57] an ordinance letter section 17.03.005D through L to E through M of the code
[1:16:04] definitions to create section 17.05.0 03.005D
[1:16:09] of the code definitions to amend section 19.01.010
[1:16:14] of the code adoption of the Oaklair County Wisconsin comprehensive plan and
[1:16:18] to create 19.01.020E of the code amendments and periodic
[1:16:23] updates. >> Thank you. She's very good at reading
[1:16:27] these. I appreciate it. All right. We will go on then to um our our second
[1:16:34] reading committee on human resources judiciary and law enforcement and
[1:16:41] administration file 26-27 >> I think am I
[1:16:48] 00017 >> a resolution approving the position
[1:16:53] classification and grade assignment for the CJCC coordinator position.
[1:16:58] Okay, we will start with Supervisor Russell since she has both
[1:17:01] administration and >> a second.
[1:17:04] » Oh, thank you. We need a motion to bring it forward. Thank you, Supervisor
[1:17:09] French. A second. Supervisor Jenkins. Thank you,
[1:17:14] Supervisor Russell. You may go forward. >> Okay. Thank you, Chair Coffee. Um this
[1:17:19] resolution represents one of the final steps um that we've been doing over the
[1:17:25] year on restructuring the criminal justice services department. Um Director
[1:17:32] Smansky um did reference some of the changes that have been happening. This
[1:17:37] would um this resolution lays out um the um classification for a coordinator
[1:17:46] position with the departure of um the employees in the criminal justice
[1:17:51] services department. that um gave us an opportunity to do a an extensive review
[1:18:00] um of comprehensive workflow and operational analysis of that department
[1:18:05] and particularly of what a coordinator or the director does. Um there were
[1:18:12] something like I think 11 different agencies or organizations and
[1:18:16] stakeholders that were um contacted and data was gathered. Um you can see from
[1:18:22] the um fact sheet what the um outcome was of that analysis
[1:18:29] and it was determined that um the role should be redesigned to focus more on um
[1:18:36] strategic coordination and systems alignment model rather than a
[1:18:40] supervisory management um model. Um so there is a position description. Um
[1:18:49] what happened next was to do a market analysis both external to the um county
[1:18:56] and then also internally and a determination was made that this would
[1:19:00] be kind of fell into between level 12 and 13. I think we have 23 total levels.
[1:19:08] Um, in order to be sort of consistent across the county, it was determined to
[1:19:14] put this in at level 11 11 uh 12 level 12. Um, you've got the financial impact
[1:19:23] information on your data sheet. That's uh wages about 30 3159 an hour. um at
[1:19:33] grade 12 um that total with benefits would be a
[1:19:40] little over 113,000 per year comparing that to the director
[1:19:45] was over 40 145,000. So that comes out with a savings of
[1:19:50] about 32,000 a year for the county. Um the resolution recommendations are
[1:19:58] listed there. This means we are eliminating the former CJS director
[1:20:03] position. We're creating a CJCC coordinator position who will report to
[1:20:09] the administrator in the uh CJCC um executive committee. Um it will be at
[1:20:16] grade 12 in the compensation grid and um you can see what the fiscal impact in
[1:20:24] the funding is that is needed. Um both the committees on human resources as
[1:20:32] well as administration approved this resolution unanimously.
[1:20:38] » Thank you. Um Supervisor Myin is not or here and um Supervisor Folstead, do you
[1:20:46] have anything to add from Judiciary and Law?
[1:20:50] » Whoops. Excuse me. Here we go. Judiciary and Law reviewed it on at the June 23rd
[1:20:55] meeting and um all five members voted in favor of it.
[1:20:59] » Thank you. Um, Supervisor Piconus, >> I just want to remind everyone that in
[1:21:06] April, um, what this body, those of you who are
[1:21:10] here, um, we took the CJS funding for the year and we split it up
[1:21:17] among the different departments and then I believe it was 117,000 that was set
[1:21:22] aside for administration for the coordinator position. So this actually
[1:21:27] comes in a little under what we had set aside at that time. Some of the funding
[1:21:32] went to the district attorney. Some of the funding went to um
[1:21:37] is department. So the funding had all gotten got split up. But there was
[1:21:41] funding specifically set aside in administration for this position. Thank
[1:21:46] you. Good review. Any other questions?
[1:21:52] I think then we will be ready to go to a vote for file number 2627017.
[1:22:00] If you agree that the resolution to approve the position classification and
[1:22:05] grade assignment for the CJCC coordinated position, if you agree, you
[1:22:10] will vote yes.
[1:22:22] Supervisor Clark. >> Well, it says I'm voting and I'm voting
[1:22:26] yes, but it is not showing up. I vote yes.
[1:22:29] » Thank you for keeping trying. I appreciate that. Okay, we have 24 yes,
[1:22:35] zero no, five absent. We will go on then to file 26-27013.
[1:22:47] A resolution recommending adoption of an ordinance to adopt the Oaklair County,
[1:22:52] Wisconsin comprehensive plan 2020 through 2040, title 19 to include an
[1:22:57] update to the farmland preservation plan and to create a reference to the
[1:23:01] farmland preservation plan in title 17. >> Thank you. I have a motion by Supervisor
[1:23:07] Jenkins, a second by Supervisor Cisk, an explanation by Supervisor Suk.
[1:23:13] » Okay. Um, thank you, Chair Coffee. Um, what you have here in front of you
[1:23:19] tonight is a resolution. Previously mentioned, we had a ordinance
[1:23:27] change for first reading. Uh we have several things going on at planning and
[1:23:33] development with the start of the comprehensive plan for the county that
[1:23:40] needs its updated review that we are currently working on. And at the same
[1:23:45] time, we have the farmland preservation plan that needed its update. We asked
[1:23:52] for an extension and got it. But we have also been working on updating the
[1:23:57] farmland preservation plan. So what we've done is we've gone through all of
[1:24:03] the meetings necessary. We've included everybody we possibly can. We've had a
[1:24:08] ton of meetings. We've had a lot of citizen input, town inputs, a lot of
[1:24:14] qualified people helping us discuss this. And what it's come down to at this
[1:24:19] point is the resolution is going to be this is the farmland
[1:24:25] preservation plan. Um the ordinance change which she referred to a minute
[1:24:31] ago will go second reading next time and that will approve or disapprove the
[1:24:37] farmland preservation plan as we've rewritten it. In the meantime, at
[1:24:43] tonight's meeting, we are asking this board to take that farmland preservation
[1:24:49] plan and include it now in the future along with the county's comprehensive
[1:24:56] plan as, you know, another chapter in this big plan book instead of two big
[1:25:04] plan books. So, it's going to make it a lot easier and everything else. The data
[1:25:10] that goes with this is that we have like I said we had pl a lot of meetings we
[1:25:15] had a lot of out in input. Uh it appears that everybody that's been involved has
[1:25:21] found what we've done satisfactory. We've gotten many comments by outside
[1:25:27] entities etc. that the job is being well done. So at this time what we're doing
[1:25:33] the farmland preservation plan is going to have some added definition section
[1:25:40] which will clarify a lot of what has been done in the past especially with
[1:25:46] the commercial wind and solar that people seem to be um the most concerned
[1:25:51] about. We also conducted strength weaknesses opportunity and threat
[1:25:56] analysis to get to this point. We reviewed and updated the goals,
[1:26:01] objectives, and policies of the plant, including addition of policy to restrict
[1:26:08] that commercial wind and solar projects in agriculture preservation. There again
[1:26:14] defining what commercial wind and solar is. We updated the existing conditions
[1:26:21] that are in the book as well as the um took a survey of all the people that
[1:26:26] wanted to change things for the farmland preservation and redid the map. So at
[1:26:32] this time we've got a really reasonable uh document. It's also been, it will be
[1:26:39] further reviewed by DATCAP, the Department of Trade and Consumer
[1:26:44] Protection, but they are the ones that are going to ultimately have to agree
[1:26:48] that they will accept this plan so that we can reference it when we ask a farmer
[1:26:55] if they'd like to get on that plan to have tax credit on their farm. So, with
[1:27:01] all of that long wording that I've done, the request tonight from the planning
[1:27:06] and development department, and we voted on it, a vote was four to zero at that
[1:27:13] meeting, and we've also had other meetings with, like I said, the towns,
[1:27:17] the the other concerned citizens, etc. We would like you tonight to pass this
[1:27:23] resolution that will make the Oaklair County Farmland Preservation Plan a part
[1:27:32] of the Oaklair County Comprehensive Plan for the future.
[1:27:37] » Thank you. Are there any questions? Lots of good detail here.
[1:27:44] And then we will move forward. Oh, thank you,
[1:27:50] Supervisor French. >> So, just to clarify, this also does
[1:27:53] approve the updates to the farmland preservation plan.
[1:27:57] » No, it does not. >> That will happen.
[1:28:00] » That is what's in the ordinance change >> which will happen next month.
[1:28:04] » First reading, you will have second reading at our next meeting that has the
[1:28:08] actual changes in it >> and adds it to
[1:28:14] the comprehensive plan. This only adds it to the comprehensive plan.
[1:28:19] » Okay. >> Yes.
[1:28:20] » So, this is adding it to the comprehensive plan.
[1:28:23] » Correct. >> Next meeting will actually approve the
[1:28:26] wording. >> Thank you. Okay.
[1:28:29] » Thank you. I was confused as well when we when I read it the first time. So,
[1:28:34] any other questions?
[1:28:39] Okay, we will go forward. I won't read it all again. I'm hoping we all
[1:28:43] understand what we're voting for. Um, so if you agree with the resolution, you
[1:28:50] will vote yes.
[1:28:58] Supervisor Clark,
[1:29:07] » I vote yes. >> Thank you.
[1:29:11] [clears throat] >> In the middle of the vote. 24 yes, zero
[1:29:16] no. Supervisor Zook, a point of >> Yeah, a quick comment. I wanted to be
[1:29:21] sure to let everybody know that I greatly appreciate the efforts of the
[1:29:27] people that were on the farmland preservation committee. It was a lot of
[1:29:32] work and we did a great job to get it this far. So, thank you to those folks.
[1:29:36] » Thank you. All right, we will go on to appointments
[1:29:41] and without objection, we will put these appointments together. Um, land
[1:29:47] information council supervisor Zuk and with clarification, it was understood
[1:29:53] that the appointee for this committee needed to be on planning and
[1:30:00] development. So, um, Supervisor Zuk was kind enough to take that, uh, um, to
[1:30:07] accept that appointment if he is approved. Board of Land Use Appeals,
[1:30:13] Rusty Naylor, and you saw his um bio in the um,
[1:30:21] agenda and conduct inquiry board. Dr. Um, Katherine Schneider, who had been a
[1:30:27] member or a supervisor, will be appointed to an alternate member if
[1:30:33] approved. Are there any We have a motion by
[1:30:37] Supervisor Wilkkey, a second by Supervisor Gabo. Are there any
[1:30:42] questions, comments
[1:30:46] as we move forward with this vote?
[1:30:51] Okay, you you may vote yes if you approve
[1:30:58] the appointments.
[1:31:02] » Supervisor Clark, >> I approve. Thank you.
[1:31:05] » Thank you. All right. 24 yes, zero no. As far as
[1:31:12] announcements, you can read the announcements that are here. our is
[1:31:16] director um is going to be retiring so a party for him and also on the same day
[1:31:25] we have an annual employee picnic. Um so if you're interested please make sure
[1:31:31] you email Samantha and then she will send you the link. It's always fun to
[1:31:37] see the families um at the picnic. So, if you have a chance, I would encourage
[1:31:44] um Supervisor Duca, >> I just wanted to remind everyone that
[1:31:48] the fair is open on the fair uh expo grounds and Butterfly House, uh
[1:31:56] Butterfly Fest is on Sunday, August 2nd, and it'll be cooler for the fair. So,
[1:32:01] that part will be kind of nice. Any other announcements?
[1:32:05] » Yeah.
[1:32:08] Seeing none, we are adjourned. Thank you everyone.