[0:03] Okay, it's seven o'clock. Let's do the point of the allegiance to

[0:14] the United States of America, and to the republic for religious hands, one nation, under the law, individual, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:32] I think I recognize Chief Mauser on the staff here tonight, did you have some comments on the left?

[0:40] Right.

[0:41] Well, what, it'll be on the, in order.

[0:44] Thank you.

[0:46] Any others?

[0:48] Any other?

[0:48] Okay.

[0:51] So we'll begin with,

[0:52] Stakele reports.

[0:54] You know, I'll please,

[0:56] I've kept it down.

[0:56] Marston is going to mind.

[0:58] God has excuse the day.

[1:00] Okay.

[1:00] And if Chief Mazda wants to report it, I'm going to take that time, Chief.

[1:06] Otherwise I will make some comments during the later section, but.

[1:11] How will we do this?

[1:12] Are you miss public comments?

[1:15] Chief, if you don't mind that, I'm getting ahead of my service.

[1:20] How to see.

[1:20] I'll do whatever you want.

[1:21] We're going to do public presence next.

[1:23] It was like to make public comment tonight.

[1:27] OK?

[1:29] Let's go, and Joe, anyone else?

[1:35] Robert?

[1:36] Jessica?

[1:40] Go ahead.

[1:42] Let's go.

[1:42] Ms. Emerson, five, six, five, five.

[1:45] Immigration, can you, right?

[1:48] I just wanted to address this.

[1:50] Again, the item, which is about the titled 19.84.

[1:56] Immigration, can you code for additional use?

[1:58] possible repeal and replacement.

[2:01] And I listened to some of the planning commission meetings.

[2:06] And I was encouraged to hear that there was a proposal

[2:09] that came out of the council to the planning commission

[2:12] that these types of things would be placed into a spreadsheet.

[2:16] And we could see what was old and what was proposed

[2:20] and the purpose for proposing it in the possible improvement

[2:23] and processes.

[2:25] And that did not apparently take root.

[2:27] And so I'm asking that for us as residents, the citizens that we have a right to, hopefully

[2:36] to see this, also the council, to see what is old and what is being proposed and to be able

[2:43] to evaluate that.

[2:47] And you just had that opportunity.

[2:49] I think it was kind of...

[2:51] It felt a little bit sprung.

[2:52] question. Is this regarding the specific ordinance or is it regarding the list of ordinances

[2:58] that are going to be changed? Well, I think it's a more important. It's a broad. Yeah, it's a broad umbrella

[3:04] over that whole process. I would think it's good for that as well. It's specifically, this is a

[3:12] time to bring that up because we have one as an example tonight, but yes, I think in general,

[3:18] I don't know what would be nice to have that, but particularly in a case where it might be quite

[3:25] substantive or have more impact, it would be very good to know what we're doing now, and it's

[3:33] a little from how we are looking at what's being done. So thank you. Joe.

[3:45] Yeah. As we Joe

[3:50] So I wanted to come before you guys and publicly thank Cameron for all the work that she has done for this canyon on multiple projects and the ability that she's brought to bring this controversial stuff, a little closer together.

[4:12] I just wanted to get that on public record.

[4:14] It was a thank you, but I think we all agree.

[4:18] Thank you, Kevin.

[4:23] Jessica,

[4:26] Robert, do you want to go first?

[4:33] I had sent some questions around.

[4:36] So these are the printout of it if you don't have it.

[4:40] I've been your name in the Robert McFarlane, 6102,

[4:43] Emigration Canyon Road.

[4:46] And so I handed the recorder a written comment

[4:49] with nine questions on item 10A and 10B,

[4:52] and request the written answers, and those will be attached to the sentence, I think they've been.

[4:58] And he'd been asked tonight to adopt two ordinances based on a plan and commission hearing

[5:04] the public and find notice anywhere. And there was no neighborhood notice protection within 300 feet,

[5:13] that was sort of gone, not was going to be in the prior notice, and that didn't happen. And then

[5:20] Approval standards are key to quote the adopted engineering standards, and that's a document that's not one person at this table is identified on the record.

[5:30] And if any of you can name that document tonight, it's titled, it's a adoption date, what it says about the road.

[5:36] I invite you to do it, and if you can, then you don't know what you're voting to incorporate in this thing that's on the table tonight.

[5:44] So underneath both these ordinances is the road and it was said in the public and the public planning

[5:51] commissions meeting in June 11 that no survey discrepancy, no title finding, could ever affect

[5:58] the project that the road can be modified however the city sees fit.

[6:03] My written comment asks, yes or no, it's at the city's official position, because it's not

[6:08] a law widening beyond the right of way that the state actually holds is new acquisition

[6:14] under the uniform act of cradle written offer just compensation are required and no construction

[6:22] dollars are going to flow until the right of way is certified under 23 CFR 635309.

[6:29] The state's own 1934 deeds show varying widths and one segment of court approved 25 foot from the center line.

[6:38] If the city's position is that none of that could ever matter put it in writing and oneness.

[6:43] If it's not the city's position, correct the record in writing.

[6:46] So there's a choice tonight. You can continue the items 10A and 10B to August 18 and come back with answers.

[6:53] or vote to adopt and certify to every resident of this canyon,

[6:58] they know what these organists incorporate and what was removed from them.

[7:02] No one at this table can honestly make that certification.

[7:06] So the questions are asked to the roads and roadside residents deserve an answer.

[7:10] Thank you.

[7:11] Thank you for your comments.

[7:19] Jessica, Steve, it's an 11th.

[7:21] I'm Grayson.

[7:23] My question is, oh, I'm just a couple that will hear

[7:26] and nothing.

[7:27] We see button noise cameras tonight, and that's sure if there's any update.

[7:35] I'm very interested in that. I'd also be curious to know if we are able to get more weekend, night enforcement as the speeding cars very loud, moderate, etc.

[7:48] And then this is a question or comments that I made and passing another meeting, but I

[7:54] would just love for a canyon to start embracing the spirit of pioneer day.

[8:00] And with that, I think that the very simple thing that could be done hopefully right away

[8:05] would be to move the back hose away from the monument of the last camp that had been parked

[8:09] there for a very long time, and I think if it could give that monument a little bit more

[8:14] attention and just move those ugly machines that would be a good start.

[8:18] Great comments, thanks.

[8:19] Thank you.

[8:21] Anyone else?

[8:27] Okay, unified police. Sorry, Chief.

[8:31] Is there anybody online?

[8:33] All right.

[8:35] Good.

[8:40] The Mayor Council, it's good to see you.

[8:42] Thanks for giving us just a little bit of your time to come up and give you an update.

[8:47] So what I want to talk to you about is

[8:51] department's going through an evolution and we're making some really good

[8:54] changes, we're growing, we're evolving, we're becoming more and more

[8:58] capable. And with that we made a major change and most police departments in the

[9:02] country achieve has an assistant sheet and it's really helpful to have an assistant

[9:06] sheet. I learned that out the hard way the last years. So that was finally able to

[9:12] to fruition, and I pointed just the whole of that position, he's ratified by the UPD board,

[9:20] but I wanted to bring him here so that he could see him because the reality of it is not

[9:25] that he's working for me, he works for you, and he's got a work ethic, like no other, he's

[9:31] very responsive.

[9:31] So everyone, she said, he's gonna fall on the other day.

[9:37] So I'll work.

[9:38] So thank you for that feedback and that's where we're going with this.

[9:44] It's a great move.

[9:46] I'm really happy for Justin and I'm happy for the department.

[9:49] It's a real close.

[9:50] We're going to get you.

[9:52] Thank you.

[9:52] And I'd like to have me be Justin to say we're going to introduce you to Luis.

[9:56] Well, thank you, Chief Mazrin.

[9:57] I'm truly honored to serve this role into work with you guys as Chief Mazrin.

[10:01] I'm here for you. I'm here for these for you guys for the community and to help support the amazing men and women that are up here and support you guys every single day

[10:10] I'm excited to work in this role and and work more closely with you and if there's anything you need or anything that I can do for you

[10:16] Please don't hesitate to reach out

[10:19] The next our next

[10:22] The promote a chief is chief Luis Alvado. You may be familiar with them. He was the exo over in milk Creek

[10:28] Did it really good job there

[10:30] serving the middle-cooking immigration, but now he is moving on and he took over for chief dial.

[10:39] And the reason I brought him is because I don't feel like myself or the promise done is good

[10:44] of jobs we should helping you with understand the shared services and he represents that because you

[10:51] guys pay in a little shared services and you get a lot of bang for your buck with that.

[10:55] And so I'm going to get him far more activated and just coming to some of these things building

[10:59] those relationships and again, he works for you and we're here to serve you and we love

[11:04] being your place of art.

[11:05] It's a good community.

[11:06] It's a big shoes to feel.

[11:07] Congratulations.

[11:08] Thank you.

[11:09] Thank you.

[11:10] Yeah, I'm really excited.

[11:11] Obviously, I've been serving you in the community for the last three years at the precinct

[11:15] level.

[11:16] But now at the opportunity to do it, we're sharing services, portion of UPD and that's really

[11:21] exciting for me.

[11:23] I like Chief Mazarin said, we haven't done a great job showing you what you're paying for.

[11:27] We are going to change that and you're going to see paying for your buck, why UPD?

[11:33] Why it's the super power of UPD?

[11:36] So very excited.

[11:38] Any issues with the shared services you can reach out to me directly?

[11:42] Just like you did before.

[11:44] This is just serving in again just in a different capacity.

[11:49] Any questions for us?

[11:51] I do.

[11:51] That's my answer.

[11:52] Maybe follow it.

[11:53] I know we talked about before and we came up last month.

[11:56] and then just come into it that this, in the trick of the college.

[12:01] But we had to talk about the noise camera, and I know it's gone through some,

[12:07] and talked about costs, and we talked about training.

[12:11] Did you ever come to a conclusion?

[12:13] So, that's a great question. I know that whole project's gone through some significant

[12:17] evolutions, a few setbacks, and world blocks.

[12:21] Unfortunately, Christine's application, I had talked to her about this,

[12:24] probably quite some time, but he and I will follow up on that and make sure that you get what you need.

[12:31] It seems like I know in the past, when I was on the board, we talked about the possibility of sharing a camera with a number of cities,

[12:42] which would seem to make a lot of sense, because it's expensive and we don't have a lot of money in.

[12:46] We're happy to participate, we're sick of, we just so sick every average average average noise and speed and stuff.

[12:58] Yeah, that is a double ball. It would make sense to ship something like bright for instance.

[13:02] Yeah, something I'll try to move back and forth.

[13:06] I think the element of surprise might be good.

[13:10] Just as a follow-up to one of the public comments, there is a conversation about patrol

[13:16] again night.

[13:17] And so the person who made that comment, we are in touch with the UPD and we've got something

[13:23] in the works.

[13:25] Very quick question not to deliver a long night, which hopefully I only will have, but you

[13:29] have mentioned showing some more bang for the buck.

[13:32] What are some of your ideas for showing that tangible over the coming year?

[13:37] as you're taking on and you know what do you see, what's tangible? Well, what I would say is what

[13:46] we need to do is do a better job with the shared services of communicating and do a better job

[13:52] of showing that to you. I'd love to, we did a presentation, you know, we've been communicating

[13:57] that incorrectly, we did a presentation on the cities of kind of an experiment and it really

[14:01] connected with them like, oh, we'll get it now.

[14:04] But two thirds of the shared services that you pay for,

[14:08] that don't can't do a job unless you have,

[14:10] and the officers are working in a community,

[14:12] and you know, when there's a big car crash or something like that,

[14:14] that's where that comes from.

[14:16] So I'd like what you're saying,

[14:18] would you just need to do better jobs?

[14:19] I think there's a lot of folks in my audience.

[14:22] Think enforcement is a really, really important component.

[14:25] And it is.

[14:27] I'm just starting to know how we show our communities

[14:29] what that enforcement of how we can do that there.

[14:33] Well, one thing we've been doing is we've been getting the entire motor squad together and

[14:36] doing a massive saturation enforcement.

[14:38] It's very effective, it has a big impact, but the impact is short because some people remember

[14:45] but after a period of time, people can't forget about that.

[14:49] We have to look at doing that and this can, if we can do that, sure that it's not hard

[14:53] to do.

[14:57] because I think you'll have a different day now.

[15:00] You know, there's the canning during the day, and then there's nice weekend, and there's a big difference.

[15:06] You'll get, you know, when you're talking about noise, it's pretty evident.

[15:11] But people are coming up for it, because they know there's no.

[15:14] That's right.

[15:15] Well, thank you.

[15:16] You guys, thank you.

[15:17] Thank you.

[15:18] Appreciate it.

[15:19] Thank you.

[15:24] I was cheap.

[15:26] Back on on it.

[15:27] Oh, I was lucky.

[15:28] Uh, it's like...

[15:30] It's like...

[15:36] I didn't see him on that.

[15:38] Okay, I used to play down on the Babylon fire and he said he could sign in if he needed it.

[15:46] But he has sent us a report that I was sent submit for the minutes.

[15:54] Every six months I do a fake.

[15:56] I'm looking for it right now.

[15:59] Every six months, if I fire, here it is.

[16:10] And I'm sorry, I don't know your name.

[16:13] I'm sorry.

[16:16] Sarah, I will pour this to Diane, because I don't have your email.

[16:21] I'm sorry.

[16:22] Agent, can they pour this out?

[16:23] I'll keep them out by instance, in the kin and we are at 32 incidents

[16:28] for the year. I need to note this.

[16:35] I'm not sure why the

[16:41] other thing. A couple things that

[16:44] he was going to report on, we just finished the brush chipping days. They chipped it a little

[16:52] over 200 residents. I don't have the final report yet, but they have a new process where they

[17:04] kind of helpful for us just to give an idea of what areas of the canyon are doing the most

[17:09] work and they did a great job as far as I'm aware of every pile is collected with a couple

[17:19] exceptions that there was a reason for the problem of being collected on a community with those

[17:25] residents. Again, as far as I'm aware, if you hear anything, I'm going to say hey, why didn't they

[17:31] these direct from me,

[17:36] then the last thing is there's been a lot of confusion about the fireworks.

[17:42] There is no statewide ban, in effect, however, our Immigration Canyon ban or fireworks

[17:48] is still in place.

[17:50] That means that even though fireworks are legal in some areas, they are not ever legal

[17:54] so I can just make sure people know that, and I, that's all other important things like

[18:05] board stuff later than we.

[18:08] Okay.

[18:08] Thank you, Gary.

[18:09] Do you want to talk about him?

[18:10] I'm sorry.

[18:11] There's been no animal service meeting this last 30 days.

[18:16] According to meeting will be this coming 30 days.

[18:19] There's anything up in that's directly influenced

[18:24] as her effects in British can.

[18:26] I shall call you mayor and can't give you a heads up.

[18:29] Thank you.

[18:30] OK, I'll land you some dates where Gilmour and I'll

[18:33] land you some training.

[18:35] I will be presenting to you during the business

[18:37] section, the ordinances, and then I can bring

[18:41] those sessions.

[18:42] So I'd say all my stuff.

[18:44] Thank you, Mayor.

[18:47] If I made it up, we did have one public comment

[18:49] that wasn't able to do so at the right time.

[18:52] Sure, we can do that.

[18:53] We got it back up and gone, so I'll promote them.

[19:15] Yeah, you're on mute, can I?

[19:17] Oh, yes, Janet, you'll need to unmute.

[19:21] There we go.

[19:31] Janet, we can't hear you, just yet.

[19:39] Can you try it in, Janet?

[19:44] We are not disobeyed.

[19:46] Does she need to turn the volume on her?

[19:48] No, it might be the phone would be picking it up, but

[19:53] sorry.

[19:57] Maybe I could just allow her to sleep.

[20:00] Janet, I'm just going to move you and see if this helps.

[20:14] Okay, Janet, if you don't want to unmute yourself, try that.

[20:26] Not getting anything still.

[20:39] Try it now, Janet.

[20:52] One more time, Janet.

[20:54] Yeah.

[20:55] Can you hear me?

[20:56] Yes.

[20:57] Thank you for your patience.

[20:59] Thanks, guys.

[21:01] Okay, go ahead, Janet.

[21:03] Thank you.

[21:04] Okay.

[21:05] Thank you.

[21:05] Um,

[21:09] are you getting video or that just off?

[21:13] That's what we're talking about too.

[21:16] Okay.

[21:20] I'm trying to get rid of that.

[21:22] Something that's...

[21:25] Am I an attendee or a per panel?

[21:34] I'll just try the attendee.

[21:37] Oh, we're starting at the beginning here.

[21:42] Can you hear me?

[21:44] Yes.

[21:46] Okay.

[21:49] Am I joining as a panelist?

[21:50] I I can try and allow you again, but it said you declined it. If you don't mind just I'll send it one more time

[21:58] Okay, there you go.

[22:04] And now you'll be talking. There you go. Is that working? Yes, all right

[22:12] I just really wanted to talk about the conditional use

[22:17] Ordnance and the changes being made there.

[22:22] I didn't find in the supporting documents anything that shows

[22:26] was what's being replaced. So the old...

[22:30] And the new that are going in there. I don't know if you have a hand out over there tonight, but that really should be part of this discussion is what's being replaced and what's going in that's new so that we can compare and see what this is all about.

[22:52] Is that something you as a council have?

[22:59] You're going to be able to hear that discussion a little bit later when we get to that ordinance.

[23:05] Okay, but are you going to be handing out a document that shows new old?

[23:10] Well, I'm sure we'll have an explanation of why there is a change.

[23:16] Okay, but we really should be able to see the old and the new,

[23:21] to understand it. I mean, we need to read it and understand it.

[23:26] you haven't had time, or the availability of that information.

[23:38] In a state the ordinance has been published.

[23:40] I'm sorry.

[23:41] Yeah, it was also posted with any information.

[23:43] Then I'll do that.

[23:44] The ordinance is our online.

[23:46] Yes, ma'am.

[23:48] And I'm seeing it as page 18 of 25.

[23:50] It's in the package.

[23:52] Yes, sir.

[23:55] Is it in the supporting documents with the agenda?

[23:58] Because I didn't see it.

[23:59] page 18 of 25.

[24:02] Okay.

[24:02] 18 of 25.

[24:03] Okay. Okay. All right. And, Claire, if you would be able to speak up, can't hear you when you talk.

[24:13] I can't ever hear you understand what you're explaining. And this is pretty important.

[24:18] Of course, I'm sorry.

[24:21] If you couldn't, you know, really clearly, like, just pretend we're five year olds, okay?

[24:25] And explain it to us that way.

[24:28] I apologize, I will definitely, I, I, I usually am being accused of being too loud.

[24:35] So I will be more cognizant. I'm sorry.

[24:39] Okay, no, thank you. It's really important that we understand this.

[24:43] Thank you.

[24:47] Anything else, Janet?

[24:49] No, that's it.

[24:51] Thank you.

[24:52] Thank you.

[24:54] Okay.

[24:57] All right. Next to our agenda is engineering updates.

[25:15] I just wanted to let you know that at least as of and it looks like it's working now, but at least as of 7-11 when I tried to call into the meeting. I got a message of the host had another meeting in progress and it wasn't going through.

[25:31] You were aware that I just want to make you a ride.

[25:33] It wasn't in the settings issue.

[25:35] Yeah.

[25:36] I just figured I might have done other people who tried to join and gave up.

[25:39] I'm a close, so I walked over, but I just wanted you to be aware of that.

[25:43] Thank you.

[25:45] Okay.

[25:52] Can you make it better?

[25:54] Can you make it better?

[25:55] Sure.

[25:56] Can you make it better?

[25:56] Thank you.

[26:10] I shouldn't have told you to be able to share this by being panelists.

[26:14] Does she usually have to give you permission?

[26:17] Yes.

[26:18] I also emailed it to you, you just want to bring it up and more on that, that's also an option.

[26:24] The Jeopardyid is just for you.

[26:39] Okay, so I'm here with Lisa Allen, she's the City Engineer for Immigration, the Director of Engineering for the MSD.

[26:46] While they work on replacing me, she will be covering Immigration for the time being.

[26:52] So that's why she is here.

[26:54] You're

[26:57] a place.

[26:58] You can't agree.

[26:59] That's a box.

[27:01] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[27:02] I'm working together for a decade and a half.

[27:03] So this is a hard move.

[27:05] Hard change.

[27:11] Sorry.

[27:11] Still getting into this

[27:25] video.

[27:27] You should be able to click on the little plane.

[27:30] A plane air off the top.

[27:33] In the phone.

[27:34] No.

[27:35] Oh, there you go.

[27:37] Okay.

[27:38] You can go to the next slide, please.

[27:41] First thing, it's sweeping has come up a couple of times and I said I would look into it.

[27:47] The fiscal year 27 budget has monthly sweeping and immigration canyon in practice,

[27:52] Stevens of the Fair doing two plus times a month or approximately every other week.

[27:57] There is a website that ops has the tracks when they have swept last and so you'll be able

[28:03] to access this from the packet after the minutes go out.

[28:07] You can either scan that or the link or I use the link at the bottom so that you can access and figure out when the last time was that they swept.

[28:15] It won't tell you when the next time it's scheduled.

[28:19] But I wanted to get back to you a much know that that was the response from office.

[28:23] It's the possibility of as a default when we have a significant range storm that we sweep because that's the next day when I ride on.

[28:33] I have asked options to look into what the cost would be for a higher level of service.

[28:38] I have a person with them yet.

[28:39] Go ahead, please.

[28:40] Yeah, I think the stated level of service isn't monthly or is it annual?

[28:44] We have 300 miles of roads in the MSD that, like, any operations is contracted to do the

[28:49] street sweeping for.

[28:51] So they would not be able to hit all the roads the day after it rains.

[28:57] We could talk to them and see if they could prioritize immigration.

[29:00] I think when you're out in the flat, after a raise term is a lot less impactful than when we have these side slopes that wash on to the road, in which we have many.

[29:13] We can talk to us.

[29:16] I also want to let the council know that there will be some micro-pave warranty work.

[29:20] We were just notified yesterday of this work.

[29:23] There's some repair of premature deterioration at multiple locations.

[29:27] There are going to be a message board going up.

[29:28] I noticed that you've already got one up for the 24th of July, I think they're planning

[29:32] on putting it up.

[29:33] It's not ours.

[29:34] I know.

[29:35] I don't know who it is, but they'll be a conflict with that.

[29:40] The message board will say that there's a pilot car operation, and they'll have the dates

[29:45] eight, one, to eight, five, and it'll say bikes, pedestrians, prohibited, and expect heavy

[29:49] to lay it delays.

[29:51] And that's what they had on the message board when they did the project before.

[29:54] My question for the council is, are there any scheduled conflicts that you're aware of?

[29:58] Is there any reason that we should tell?

[30:00] Some of them, that those dates will not work.

[30:03] Do we know what's being?

[30:06] I don't, I haven't seen anything.

[30:08] I can't even see that if we could.

[30:10] I can reach out to options, see what they can provide.

[30:14] So, the only conflict that I can see, there's a event.

[30:18] So if these don't work, Germany and there's an event that was applied for it.

[30:22] I don't think it's been permitted yet. But it was on the 12th.

[30:26] We'll be done. So the first and the fifth.

[30:28] the first of it.

[30:30] Well, I'm just saying things don't always start at time.

[30:33] Well, so, because it's not a full-terogic and it's just the minor

[30:37] and parerworks, I will let the noses of rays, and then you'd be finished.

[30:43] So I'm saying that you're, because you're, because you're going to do a lot of

[30:45] nobody's going to write on it.

[30:47] You probably ought to stay clear of those dates.

[30:49] Okay.

[30:50] The 12th.

[30:50] Yeah.

[30:51] Okay.

[30:51] Thank you.

[30:51] It sounds like this is more than a bike line repair.

[30:54] I'm unsure because it's all being run through ops.

[30:59] So what I know is what's on there.

[31:01] I can do something Joe.

[31:09] Do you know something Joe?

[31:10] It's hard on the road with white lines.

[31:12] I'm going to sit as this now.

[31:15] Thank you.

[31:16] I was wondering how it goes well.

[31:22] Okay.

[31:23] Find out who can either reach out to us or we can do it.

[31:28] Do you play a class?

[31:30] Still your pen.

[31:31] They're going to operate under the previous permit.

[31:35] So Lacey's the permit specialist for the special events and I think you were asking about

[31:39] who the contact is with ops in this painting project.

[31:43] Okay.

[31:44] Right?

[31:44] There's that.

[31:44] Yes.

[31:45] That's what I was asking about because it would be nice to know.

[31:49] It's going to happen.

[31:52] Especially since it's over.

[31:54] It's a better part of the week.

[31:57] Yeah, this is about the event.

[32:05] Okay.

[32:13] Those were the not capital projects that I wanted to share with you. We'll

[32:17] hurry and go through the capital projects. For the MSD Transportation Master Plan, they

[32:22] have set up another meeting with the East Side Communities and West Side Communities,

[32:28] And they will be sending the consultant will be sending out invites to the council for that.

[32:34] You're not required to attend, but if you would like to you can, anything to add on the master plan.

[32:42] Okay, if you'll go ahead and answer it, Sarah.

[32:45] With the Road Safety Improvement Project, there was a July email update that was sent on the 16th of July.

[32:53] The Open House, this is, these are the things that are covered in net email that the Open

[32:57] House was on the 30th and 90-plus people attended, and the email included links to the

[33:03] information boards that were shared at that Open House.

[33:06] It shared that they're the next steps or that the team members will conduct field work,

[33:10] and that letters have been sent to residents indicating that it also had a schedule.

[33:16] The draft is anticipated this fall, and when that draft is released, there will be a public

[33:20] hearing and a formal comment period associated with that.

[33:25] Here are a couple of ways you can access the project website.

[33:28] You can either use the link. You can scan the QR code or on the immigration

[33:32] can in website. If you scroll down, there is a direct link to the project

[33:36] website. There are multiple different ways that you can access that.

[33:41] When you click on that, it brings up this page. If you click the next one,

[33:46] I didn't realize that these were links. And that's where the

[33:50] one more. If you click on this one with materials and documents it'll bring up the night next slide

[33:54] and that's where you find the open house display boards. You click on that link there. Also there's

[34:01] the project timeline that they have and then to receive those monthly email updates you email immigration

[34:10] canyon that you taught.gov to get on that list and so I just wanted that to be public information

[34:16] on how to get involved and included in those emails.

[34:19] Next one is immigration creek culverts.

[34:22] I've got to have the second.

[34:24] I'm not sure what you call it.

[34:25] Not really stakeholder.

[34:26] Yes.

[34:27] The community engagement.

[34:29] They have not yet.

[34:30] Okay.

[34:31] But they are planning on having that.

[34:32] Yes.

[34:33] I have not seen anything go out for it.

[34:37] Yeah.

[34:38] Okay.

[34:38] Thanks.

[34:40] Immigration Creek culverts.

[34:42] The 95% review is still pending, the temporary construction easements are still pending, and we're coming up on that timeline where we have to decide if we're going this fall or not, and we'll know that with the next month, so when we'll come back and report, she'll have more information on that.

[35:01] Again, this guy press lane access will be maintained through the direction.

[35:07] Freeze-crick wall reconstruction, as I discussed last month, there are multiple locations

[35:15] that we're looking at.

[35:15] So the map there on the right.

[35:17] The circle on the top is deficiency number two.

[35:22] As pencil number hairs, mentions are hox, sorry, talx mentions,

[35:29] the culvert there is

[35:30] for the turnaround for safety, and so we added that in there that's a $25,000 cost, and then the

[35:37] gave you a basket that the three location have that price range. Engineering is reviewing those and

[35:41] they'll send an email to the council with their recommendation. We'll include that memo for you to

[35:47] review as well. And then the FEMAF flood map update,

[35:54] a couple of things, as I mentioned before,

[35:57] for permitting, we're permitting to both, because the current maps are what we have to legally

[36:02] go by and in locations the creek doesn't line up with the current map and so we also have

[36:09] to go by the best available data which is what we're trying to get FEMA to approve and so

[36:13] right now for permitting, we're doing both. FEMA has requested additional information.

[36:19] We submitted that additional information to the Mongeoli 16th. We did just here back from FEMA again

[36:25] today. There are notices that will be sent out to impacted residents. The

[36:31] flyer for that information that we sent to impacted residents was sent to

[36:35] FEMA for them to approve and then it will be sent out and we hear from

[36:38] FEMA that they have approval to send out what we've drafted. Again, that's

[36:44] FEMA timeline, so can you explain impacted residents? Is that what you need to go

[36:50] or like access their property? There will be properties that are currently

[36:54] not in a flood tine, but the risk exists there. And so the map will update because they are

[37:04] actually within the flood tine. The map is really weird. Sometimes it's on the wrong side of

[37:09] the road, even. So the creeks over here and the map is over here. So the residents that the map

[37:14] is moving to where the creek is will get a letter saying, hey, your property is potentially moving

[37:19] into the flood tine. Even though it doesn't show it directly. It doesn't show it to the dead.

[37:23] But on the new approved maps it will so it's letting those residents know that change is coming.

[37:30] I'm going through the approve process. The old one was probably from the 80s or 90s. It's old.

[37:37] I mean, I've lived up here since the, and the creek is not moved. The map was incorrect from the beginning.

[37:43] Yeah, so I think the survey gets hard with the elevation. So it could have been a survey, datum error when they did the maps originally, but that has been part of the challenge,

[37:54] I mean, teaming the FEMA flood permit.

[37:57] So immigration is part of the national flood insurance program in order to do that.

[38:03] You have to enforce these flood plans and it's been really hard to do with the flood plan

[38:09] to show them nowhere to get the crate.

[38:11] So we're working to frame that.

[38:13] It looks completely good at right this time.

[38:15] I mean, just not a long distance or a large treatment.

[38:19] So it is us.

[38:20] We did the study and we submitted to FEMA.

[38:22] We want the map change to match what is actually happening on the ground.

[38:29] But the FEMA processes also slow.

[38:31] So the whole time I've been here with them.

[38:33] Well, I'm talking about the map from the 80s.

[38:38] I don't think you were around them.

[38:39] No.

[38:40] Everywhere alive.

[38:44] Okay.

[38:44] Thank you.

[38:45] Are there any questions?

[38:47] Okay.

[38:48] This is your last meeting.

[38:49] This will be my last meeting.

[38:50] I'll be here through the end of next week.

[38:52] Well, thank you for everything we've done.

[38:54] Thank you.

[38:55] It's really been really helpful.

[38:57] I'd like your coherent and clear reports.

[39:02] Thank you.

[39:03] Good luck, sir.

[39:04] Good luck.

[39:06] Thank you all.

[39:08] Thank you.

[39:12] Okay.

[39:12] Moving on, consent agenda approval.

[39:15] June 16, 2021, six council meeting minutes.

[39:24] I, unless there's discussion, I'd like to move, but really a proof of that.

[39:30] I'll second.

[39:30] Motion is second all in favour?

[39:33] I did anybody see in then two versions?

[39:36] Well, there was one of us though.

[39:41] Oh, yeah.

[39:44] So you have to decide which one we would put in what I already is to prove.

[39:49] I don't know.

[39:51] That's a good question. I'm not certain how we handle that because I don't think that's a different discussion

[40:01] But I

[40:05] don't see any reason not to have the boat if she's producing

[40:15] So just take one summary, one for long.

[40:20] Yes.

[40:23] I don't think.

[40:24] All right.

[40:25] All right.

[40:27] All right.

[40:27] Thank you.

[40:28] All right.

[40:30] A monthly financial report.

[40:32] Thank you.

[40:32] Have any comments on it?

[40:34] No, at this point now.

[40:36] I think it's a long story story.

[40:39] I just, I did have a question.

[40:41] As long as we're talking about finance.

[40:43] Apparently Stuart Colby has no longer.

[40:45] He's gone.

[40:46] He's gone.

[40:47] And we haven't.

[40:48] He's gone.

[40:49] He's gone.

[40:50] He's gone.

[40:54] Okay, temporary replacement.

[40:57] First day I knew what his temporary replacement, like in his role.

[41:01] Just, but yeah, you'll have a new person taking.

[41:05] Okay, let's go.

[41:07] I'll follow up on that.

[41:08] Later this week to find out more about what day I knew.

[41:12] Where it stands and what's going on with the replacement and the report back.

[41:16] I think it's time tomorrow's MSD board agenda that replacement is there this is speaking to the MSD but is there a way to get an update?

[41:29] I may go with maybe it's just on MSD but it would be nice to know because like I've got out after that to ensure I've been working with her for years on

[41:42] for just seeing the milk and stuff and then all of a sudden she's gone so it would

[41:46] be nice to have some either an update or means a new product or stuff that would

[41:52] have been a reduction and it's a tough one and there's a lot of turnover and yeah I don't know

[41:58] who it's difficult to with employment matters to have that in a public meeting and so I think

[42:06] We could certainly work on, you know, maybe getting an email sent to the council on that.

[42:13] But employment matters are generally confidential unless, you know, there's some discipline and issues like that,

[42:21] but I think we could try to work on the non-public update.

[42:25] That's what I would say.

[42:32] We have no

[42:53] public

[43:02] hearing tonight, we're going to move to the Council of Business, and

[43:07] First item has discussion and potential action, regarding ordinance 2026-007, immigration

[43:16] can and code for development agreements.

[43:20] So, Ben, it's not here, because the indicated that he was going to attend.

[43:24] He's not on my side, he's going to send us, he's going to send us, he's going

[43:31] to send us.

[43:31] Okay.

[43:34] Thank you, sir.

[43:36] Can you make it closer to Ben?

[43:37] I think I'm wondering if I should do that.

[43:40] I have my notes,

[43:48] please let me know if you can hear me.

[43:53] Thank you.

[43:56] I think that the council is already aware that the bulk of not the bulk.

[44:04] There are many sections of the immigration canyon code that have not been updated in a decade plus.

[44:11] And certainly have not been updated since immigration canyon and incorporated of the city.

[44:15] So, what you're seeing when you see Atlantic ordinances are recommended ordinances from the planning commission that represent updates, not just to the immigration canyon code,

[44:32] but it will excuse me, not just updated in terms of the needs of immigration canyon, but also under requirements that are passed by the legislature, by case law,

[44:45] by administrative law judges all kinds of different sources that require us to

[44:52] incorporate the legal landscape and really the goal with land use is not just

[45:00] As to comply, but to use the tools that we are legally able to use in the most effective way for the city.

[45:08] So we'll start with development agreements. Development agreements are a land use tool where, essentially, it is a legislative decision, and what that means is that it is entirely in your discretion, whether or not to approve a development agreement or not approve a development agreement.

[45:29] A development agreement is a land is considered a land use regulation such that it will go to planning commission first.

[45:38] It will be noticed like a new land use regulation because essentially a development agreement is the land use regulation for that particular property.

[45:47] And then it will come to the city council and here again it is entirely a legislative decision.

[45:52] What development agreements do is, and here again, these are a function of state code, one of the few tools that we have left from the state code, under Section 102508, which basically sets forth that in circumstances, there are certain circumstances under which we can require, as we call it, and that's where we can put in,

[46:22] additional conditions sometimes. There are there for administrative processes we cannot

[46:29] require a development agreement. However, what I have seen consistently, particularly

[46:36] in areas that are difficult to develop given topography, is that developers will

[46:42] come in and they will say, okay, you know, I want to build, I want to do this subdivision

[46:47] And I really want to do what's in the best interest of the city.

[46:52] And I want to make it a good subdivision.

[46:55] I can't quite make the set back on the Southwest corner.

[47:00] So what do we say?

[47:02] OK, well, let's look at a development agreement option.

[47:05] And then once we are in that arena, what

[47:08] the city is able to do is say, we think that we

[47:14] have some design standards that the with one fell swoop of the pen two years ago, the legislature

[47:22] took away from us. We are no longer allowed to impose certain design standards, but under

[47:29] the development agreement what we can say is okay, sir, you need four or five feet on as a

[47:35] compromise on a step back over here or a compromise on height over here. There are some design

[47:41] standards that we would like to incorporate in order to make your subdivision a part of the

[47:48] city that fits with the nature of the environment and the kind of character that we're

[47:59] trying to to keep or develop either one. So that is the tool. That's the legal way to go

[48:11] through it to enter into that kind of agreement legally, under state code, and I would like

[48:19] very much, and the planning commission recommends that we implement similar provisions for

[48:25] immigration canyon code so that we have that to available to us. Again, the ordinance language

[48:31] is very simple because it is so largely governed already by statute. We have put in here,

[48:39] But, you know, pretty easy steps and parameters, I'm happy to address any questions that you may have about those steps and standards.

[48:51] But there, these are very frequently used throughout cities and this ordinance looks very much like what other cities use.

[49:02] of a couple of questions is that my first question and just for clarification for development

[49:11] is this development of any property or the development what we typically use the word

[49:17] where it's a subdivision.

[49:20] It's well, it falls under land use, so any land use would require an application, essentially.

[49:29] for unimproved land or any, you know, if you want to remodel your house or add onto your house.

[49:37] I mean, I'm just not sure the scope of it.

[49:39] Um, the scope will be mostly unimproved land.

[49:45] That's when you will most frequently see it.

[49:48] I don't see a reason why we couldn't do it for a remodel or anything that comes under title 19.

[49:57] we'll qualify, height, setback, so if somebody were remodeling for example, they and they were

[50:05] having a height issue or something along those lines, the development agreement is in place

[50:12] in order to facilitate discussions and give and take between cities and developers.

[50:18] And it only comes in to play once somebody cannot meet all the previously outlined.

[50:23] not necessarily. No, it's very, very flexible. Those are examples of where I have most

[50:34] commonly seen them. In cities that I have worked for previously, particularly ones with

[50:40] development challenges or challenges where the city was not getting the type of

[50:53] ground in terms of land use entirely but there are certain administrative processes that the

[50:58] cities locked into approving if they check the boxes.

[51:02] So it's really difficult sometimes to get the development that you want in terms of your

[51:07] design standards in terms of the way that you wanted to look without the flexibility of being

[51:13] able to have some given take and that's sort of and that's where the development agreements come in

[51:18] And this is where I've seen them to be very effective in getting cities better developments,

[51:26] more in line with their vision of what they want their cities to look like.

[51:36] I'm going to promote.

[51:39] Okay.

[51:40] And is this ordinance brand new or is this replacing previous ordinance?

[51:46] And I noted that there is language that is missing.

[51:50] It is repealing and replacing 1804-040,

[51:57] just for everyone's information.

[52:01] Whenever we are just taking an ordinance and throwing it out, we're not using it.

[52:11] It's garbage for whatever reason,

[52:16] that is why there's no comparison.

[52:17] And I'll tell you, we tried at the planning commission level for a really long time to do exactly what's being suggested.

[52:26] The problem is that the ordinances are so old.

[52:30] And the requirements, for example, are all under the county, which had a completely different set of ordinances, a totally different type of governments, form of government. There was no way to say, you know, there was, there was no way to cohesively or even, you know, logically, set forth, it's not apples to apples. It's not okay. We're making this change here, and we're going to make, it's not, it's not okay. We're making this change here.

[53:00] from this list. It's this is out. And we're stepping into 2026 with language that is appropriate.

[53:10] Yeah. And I think it's just worth saying, yeah, it doesn't go without saying. It should

[53:15] be said that just as a reminder, and I know now that most of you have lived here, perhaps

[53:21] as long as I have it longer, but when we became first Metro Township, I don't know, was it

[53:30] even before that? But we adopted Salt Lake County's ordinances wholesale, because we had

[53:38] no choice. It was like, oh, we're a township tomorrow. We need ordinances. Here you have

[53:44] and have gradually been modifying them, updating them, mostly just adding the name EC Metro

[53:52] Tomchip rather than actually looking at them quickly. I forget the exact date. It was

[53:58] three or four years ago. We requested the planning commission to start going through things.

[54:05] This was mostly because it had never been done and it needed to be done. It was then somewhat

[54:10] driven, to be candid by what most people perceive as threats to what we're trying to promote

[54:18] in the can. You know, to protect us against large subdivisions, like the one where I live.

[54:29] Any more large subdivisions, maybe I should say. And I'm speaking somewhat tongue-in-cheek,

[54:36] But it is, you know, to try to promote what most people value up here.

[54:42] So I just, I want to make sure that people understood that.

[54:45] Thank you.

[54:46] Is that, did I?

[54:47] Yes, you captured it, you captured it beautifully.

[54:50] If there was a way to do an apples to apples comparison,

[54:56] we would most certainly have done that.

[54:57] And we tried the planning commission members can tell you.

[55:01] We really did, but we just spent so much time trying to get those, you know, round holes

[55:09] into the square pegs that we just said, you know what, we need to move on this.

[55:14] We need to move in 2026.

[55:16] We need to get these updates going and make recommendations to the council of what our

[55:20] ordinances need to look like.

[55:22] I know that when possibly you have provided this red line version, which is really helpful.

[55:27] Right.

[55:27] To the extent that we can do that.

[55:29] I think it's fair to say, this is not a requirement to do anything.

[55:35] It's a tool in the toolbox that we may or may not ever use.

[55:39] But saying let's, you know, we've got a breakdown in communication on a project.

[55:45] Let's try development agreement.

[55:48] Then we have an ordinance that allows us to do that.

[55:51] It's just simply a tool.

[55:52] That's exactly right, sir.

[55:55] And I don't think that it's a secret that the state really keeps ratcheting down our land use rights every year.

[56:05] So to the extent that we have a tool, we need to keep it in the toolbox.

[56:11] I believe it's an important land use by municipalities to govern their own.

[56:18] That's correct.

[56:19] Their own laws and regulation.

[56:21] Yes, sir.

[56:22] That's right.

[56:23] That's exactly right.

[56:23] I don't think this threatens us in any way and it's actually about to have this too.

[56:29] No, that's exactly, that's what we can use to respond when they slash an ability, for example.

[56:39] Again, I go back to the design standards all the time because I'm still in awe that they took those out of land use.

[56:49] Yes, ma'am.

[56:50] Do you think reference design guidelines?

[56:54] Is there anything other than the engineering standards that we

[56:56] are approved that would, like,

[56:59] did the government buy outcomes or government engineers?

[57:02] And there's, do we need to develop a,

[57:05] like, section for?

[57:07] So guidelines that we incorporate anything in that development?

[57:12] So on, for the development agreement ordinance,

[57:15] no.

[57:16] But I can address the standards, I think,

[57:19] that you might be referring to in the conditional use

[57:21] sortment, if you'd like.

[57:23] Well, you can look at about height, and you're talking

[57:25] about maybe perhaps a ridge line, or something like that.

[57:28] If there's something that governs that.

[57:32] Yes.

[57:33] So this, yes.

[57:37] Title 19, Title 18, Title 19, and then all of the upcuts

[57:40] were more specific, we would have to be able to do that

[57:43] in the development center.

[57:44] Yes, man.

[57:45] That's right.

[57:46] That's right.

[57:47] I don't mean any questions on this ordinance.

[57:50] I'm just looking at this and we just look at what code and it looks like we're moving

[57:53] at out of Title 18 and which is subdivisions into Title 19, which is so.

[57:59] Yes, sir.

[58:00] And I apologize for the oversight on the ordinance.

[58:03] But yes, we would be repealing 1804040.

[58:07] And I've just read the entire thing and it seems like this newer version has some

[58:16] development unit, the stage with the property of the government, the two ones, but by and

[58:20] large, it's just a modernized version of the exact same thing that's there.

[58:24] So I've also included some terms of art that are included in the state statute.

[58:30] Just to be sure that it's crystal clear that we are authorized by state statute to implement

[58:38] this tool.

[58:40] No further questions.

[58:42] Thank you.

[58:43] questions. Yes, I am building on that. I do go back and read 18 and 19 and some of the

[58:49] foundational ordinances before that. So I feel they are very they're not the easiest

[58:54] read. I'm not a lawyer or an engineer. But they're not the easiest. I get to just

[58:59] have it and thank you for your clarification about developers and having some

[59:04] that of a negotiation back and forth about how standards can be met. That was really

[59:13] I spoke to a couple of developers who use these in other cities and understand how other cities are using this in the way you describe it.

[59:21] So thank you.

[59:23] I don't understand how to visit property owners following this.

[59:27] It's still confusing to me.

[59:30] How does a development agreement going to affect just your average property owner?

[59:34] There's not a developer.

[59:36] There's not building a great thing.

[59:38] I'm assuming any change with footprints going to require a building permit and things like that for a normal house.

[59:45] How does the development agreement impact individual property?

[59:50] Not much. Not much.

[59:53] Probably never.

[59:54] Right, exactly. Yes.

[59:57] I'd be the less, again, they want to commence some kind of development.

[1:00:00] On their property. I think this is when someone comes in with an idea that's unusual that doesn't fit clearly into the zoning ordinances and that's also that we have a way to talk about it and think about it and possibly modify it and possibly approve it.

[1:00:17] So if we look at it exhibit day and number day, it says probably our show not had to

[1:00:24] type them right to a property development agreement and that voluntary consent of the property owner

[1:00:30] and legislative approval required.

[1:00:32] That's right.

[1:00:33] That seems need of your property owners to stay perceived at the table for lack of a better

[1:00:39] person.

[1:00:39] Well, so the way the property owner in that context is going to be the developer.

[1:00:43] What they do is they come in, they, you know, right.

[1:00:47] Okay.

[1:00:48] Just want to make that.

[1:00:49] Yeah.

[1:00:49] Nope.

[1:00:50] That's a great question.

[1:00:52] Thank you.

[1:00:52] So just one more.

[1:00:55] When you talk about it, go into the planning question.

[1:00:57] Can you just write just what that process is?

[1:00:59] Sure.

[1:01:00] Go to the planning question.

[1:01:01] And then the planning commission brings it to the city.

[1:01:04] Get the planning commission.

[1:01:06] We'll see the draft of the development agreement and review whatever attachments there are to it

[1:01:11] in terms of the plans and specifications or subdivision, this sort of thing, and then the planning

[1:01:19] commission will make a recommendation similar to other land use regulations to this

[1:01:24] Council for acceptance or denial.

[1:01:29] And now would come in a city maybe, right?

[1:01:32] Yes, okay.

[1:01:38] Anybody care of me?

[1:01:42] Yeah.

[1:01:43] I need something to read.

[1:01:46] But we do need to exchange it so that the previous 18 point.

[1:01:52] If you would be so kind in your motion to

[1:01:56] motion to approve the ordinance as set forth an exhibit A and repeal title

[1:02:04] 1804-040. That would be lovely. And I apologize for the, again.

[1:02:11] 1804-040.

[1:02:13] 0, 0,

[1:02:17] 0, 0, I move that we vote

[1:02:24] to approve ordinance 20.6-0-0-0-0-7 as outlined in appendix, it

[1:02:36] in exhibit A, and also had language statement that we are repealing previous ordinance

[1:02:42] 18.04.040. Thank you.

[1:02:46] Thank you.

[1:02:48] Any discussion?

[1:02:49] All in favour?

[1:02:50] I think we should do it.

[1:02:51] We need a roll call.

[1:02:52] Okay.

[1:02:59] I don't know the last two.

[1:03:00] Just go ahead on the line.

[1:03:02] Hey, hello.

[1:03:05] Krita.

[1:03:06] Hi.

[1:03:06] Greetings.

[1:03:08] After a year,

[1:03:11] I...

[1:03:11] How did you know that?

[1:03:13] Thank you.

[1:03:15] Okay.

[1:03:15] item being a discussion and potential action regarding orders.

[1:03:20] 2020-2080, we're feeling and replacing the conditional use, can you go?

[1:03:28] Thank you, sir.

[1:03:30] Oh, during the time for some discussion,

[1:03:32] did you address the, maybe you're getting to know that?

[1:03:37] The question about the notice?

[1:03:42] All I checked and everything was properly noticed, both of these ordinances were properly

[1:03:47] no-one's set-up.

[1:03:48] Like, in the original, in the condition of the permanent permit, Rosalinds would be noticed

[1:03:54] from the right order.

[1:03:55] All of that, yes, I was just getting ready to address that.

[1:03:59] We don't have a nursing requirement in every land use application, because we don't need

[1:04:05] one.

[1:04:06] It is all governed by state law.

[1:04:07] If we don't notice our applications in accordance with what the state tells us that we have to do,

[1:04:16] then it's a fatal flaw. Essentially, we have to read notice that we start over again.

[1:04:21] So we do have a table of noticing requirements and it would be akin to recodifying the state code

[1:04:32] in many ways to take all of their requirements and put them in all of our requirements and at that point

[1:04:37] it's just to click it is. So, there are just certain processes that are going to be governed

[1:04:43] by 10, 20, Title 10, 20, and noticing is going to be one of them.

[1:04:48] I would like to address quickly is the adoption of the approved drawings and specifications,

[1:04:57] which is actually the reference with regards to the adopted transportation engineering standards.

[1:05:14] First of all, immigration Canyon doesn't need to have adopted engineering standards.

[1:05:18] And the reason that this is a broad term is that it doesn't have anything to do with the geometry of any particular corridor or whatever.

[1:05:27] General engineering standards break down into the type of road, the type of construction,

[1:05:38] the way the plans are submitted, the form under which the plans are submitted, and there are,

[1:05:43] there are general guidelines for these.

[1:05:47] For example, under 14, 12, 0, 2, 0 of the immigration canyon code, it goes to say,

[1:05:54] know, and if there's no standards available, and for whatever reason, you're not using

[1:05:59] UDOT standards, which is actually most common, then you're going to comply with ash

[1:06:05] toast standards, which are the American Association of State Highways Transportation Officials.

[1:06:12] So there's, it's not ambiguous, and it's not at all related in any way, shape or form, to any

[1:06:20] type of configuration. It is a, it's a measure for how thick the asphalt needs to be and

[1:06:28] and how what the compaction needs to be for the road-based, that sort of thing.

[1:06:34] But conditionally uses overall. I think that conditionally uses are probably the most

[1:06:41] form of land use application that just maybe in the exist. Again, conditional uses are governed by state code and you'll notice the state code is very very short.

[1:06:58] And the reason for that is because conditional uses have been litigated to the point that you can actually distill the law

[1:07:05] down to just a couple of paragraphs, which is that a conditional use is a permitted use

[1:07:12] but it's the kind of permitted use through which you can impose conditions.

[1:07:16] Provided that you can only impose conditions that

[1:07:23] to mitigate

[1:07:25] to reasonably mitigate

[1:07:27] the anticipated detrimental effect.

[1:07:30] Ex of the proposed use. So, it's always going to be a very particular analysis when the conditional uses applications come in, and that is the threshold legal standard for conditional uses.

[1:07:52] Our ordinance, the proposed ordinance, for clarity, the planning commission feels strongly about making sure that we are clear, which they should, because we'll talk a lot more about how the plain language of the statute is absolutely critical for its enforcement.

[1:08:13] But the planning commission also feels strongly and I agree with them that the code should have enough information for a road map of

[1:08:23] Okay, you know, I'm submitting my application. What comes next? One of the standards for that.

[1:08:29] amendments to what happens if I want to amend, how long is the conditional use permit valid?

[1:08:38] Are there times when we can re-boke it? The answer to those questions are all set forth in as

[1:08:45] simple language as we could describe it. And again, these ordinances, both ordinances,

[1:08:55] But particularly the conditional use ordinance is very, very similar to most all other cities

[1:09:03] conditional use ordinances.

[1:09:05] Except to this to the extent we have added a little bit more detail.

[1:09:08] Most of the bigger cities just leave it at the paragraph of you may submit a conditional

[1:09:14] use application.

[1:09:15] It's an administrative process, which means you don't get to say no.

[1:09:19] But what you can do is impose conditions, provided they have a connection to a reasonable connection to a anticipated detrimental impact.

[1:09:41] Does it go through a public hearing?

[1:09:43] Yes, yes.

[1:09:44] Yes, yes.

[1:09:45] I'm sorry.

[1:09:46] I should take a step back.

[1:09:48] Conditional use applications go to the Planning Commission.

[1:09:51] and they, essentially, usually uses in subdivisions,

[1:10:00] are under the purview of the

[1:10:01] thority of the plant commission.

[1:10:07] But they're permitted uses. It's not if they're

[1:10:14] property owners who are curious about what types of uses are allowed in their zone, in terms

[1:10:20] of neighboring properties, they will be they can view that right online within the art

[1:10:31] ordinance structure right on the table.

[1:10:38] I meant to and did not pull up the old ordinance, the sounds like on this one there would

[1:10:45] be more of a not quite apt apples, but if you do almost a red line from a person, can you

[1:10:55] census, but what will this change?

[1:10:59] It will eliminate a lot of margin for error in terms of the terms of the legal standards

[1:11:06] and the determinations that, well, it will be very helpful for the terms of what the planning

[1:11:13] commission needs to determine.

[1:11:15] It will eliminate a lot of language that I, there was legally problematic.

[1:11:22] It removes a lot of section of graffiti.

[1:11:25] It's just something to have anything to do with it.

[1:11:30] But the challenge that we have with land use is that you have superferless language,

[1:11:36] or you have outdated language, and then someone's if it's an application, and you go through

[1:11:41] the proper process, and they don't like it, and then suddenly on a pill, they're saying

[1:11:46] graffiti rights have been violated and some way of some form. It's just very important that

[1:11:53] land use regulations in particular are tight, they're clear, they're brief, to the extent

[1:12:00] that they can be and that is the way to maintain efficiency and compliance and get and express

[1:12:08] the facilities legislative intent.

[1:12:10] And then the other question I've had, and I, again, I'm putting it into my non-legal

[1:12:16] but trying to understand at my, you were talking about engineering standards, and the reason

[1:12:23] that it's not e, you know, I, you know, thought that would better work boilerplate to just say

[1:12:29] that, is that that way, you know, have to change a reordance if you change, yes, man, that's exactly

[1:12:37] right.

[1:12:37] Well, and also it depends on what road we're talking, there's going to be different standards for different types of roads.

[1:12:45] Highways are going to be different than, you know, class ABC roads.

[1:12:50] You're going to submit, you know, theoretically, and the engineers can speak to this better than I, but it's, you know, theoretically, you're going to need to submit things in a different format, or the drawings we're going to need to be in a different format.

[1:13:02] and they otherwise would be on a different type of construction.

[1:13:07] So it's whatever the relevant engineering standards are for that application.

[1:13:13] Yes, that's exactly right.

[1:13:16] Okay, thanks.

[1:13:17] Sure.

[1:13:18] That's that similar to that, but as far as the approval process goes proposed,

[1:13:23] psych development plan does not put a serious threat to the safety of occupants of residents

[1:13:27] in the vicinity, fire, geological, soil, soil,

[1:13:31] Is there a criteria and applied to that that is what is that criteria to prevent what is a hazard?

[1:13:39] Indeed, Epcos does do a pretty good job of going through that.

[1:13:45] However, again, because we're in a little bit of a different arena than subdivisions, for example,

[1:13:54] Um, provided that we are requesting that information and evaluating that information in anticipation of, of, of, in reasonable anticipation of a detrimental impact that we made identified and we see this with traffic actually pretty often on conditional uses where it's absolutely permissible to ask the applicant for an additional traffic study, for example, or

[1:14:22] You know, safety guidelines or, and that's exactly how we end up making the determination of which conditions to impose.

[1:14:33] You know, maybe there's a standard out there that's going to, you know, really alleviate a big traffic concern that becomes part of the conditional use.

[1:14:46] that's when we play. So you said the condition you spent, you cannot deny it, okay, or you can.

[1:14:53] If they reply, you can give them uses their own condition.

[1:15:03] So, so the way that it works from the 30,000 foot level is that a conditional use application is submitted, the same as a permitted use application. And there's a cursory review of, you know, the kind of the MSD?

[1:15:25] Yes, man. That's right.

[1:15:26] So then, then it goes directed to write in relation to if they build.

[1:15:31] Well, if provided that the application is, you know,

[1:15:35] contains everything that we've asked for in the application is in terms of a form.

[1:15:39] I mean, if it's missing signatures, if it's missing property ownership information,

[1:15:43] if it's missing, you know, what we need in the application, then, no, right off the bat.

[1:15:49] They're what the MSD or the director will say is, this is incomplete.

[1:15:52] we can't accept this and they'll send it back and then they'll resubmit and then yes from there

[1:16:00] they take that information, they go to the planning commission, after staff has done a very, very thorough review

[1:16:08] and then the staff pre-is their staff report, hopefully they've covered everything that

[1:16:15] they anticipate that the planning commission would have concerns with and then use it down

[1:16:21] with the planning commission and and and have the have the exchange essentially the developer

[1:16:27] presents in the planning commission can answer get their questions answer and then does and I'm

[1:16:33] I'm curious because I'm thinking of an example. So after the planning commission seems that

[1:16:41] do they deny or I mean they can approve it without it coming to the council. Yes ma'am.

[1:16:47] that's right and what they'll do is it'll again it will look like you know we're

[1:16:52] going to prove application blank blank blank in accordance with the following

[1:16:56] conditions and then they read off those conditions.

[1:17:00] Well I don't know but it's been that way.

[1:17:04] Yes that that doesn't change. No man that's right.

[1:17:07] That's been that way. Well I'm just curious because there's like and I'm just as a

[1:17:12] there was, there's going to do all of them and I think that, that it was a purge and I

[1:17:18] in my mind of thinking, how did that happen? So, at the end of, you know, I mean, then I

[1:17:23] had no knowledge of any of it. It's an application. It's a very, the standard to deny a

[1:17:30] conditional use application. You're essentially saying, you have an impact that's so

[1:17:39] incremental that there's no condition that can mitigate it. Period. It's a high legal standard

[1:17:47] because that's a very extraordinary situation, particularly as engineering standards

[1:17:54] continue to develop and evolve and we have more and more tools rather than not, it's very

[1:18:09] that a land use authorities decision to approve or deny conditional use is an administrative

[1:18:16] land use decision when they say that what they mean is the marching orders are approval

[1:18:27] unless it is really crazy like a circumstance that I can't even think of. There there there have been

[1:18:35] Certain circumstances that have been successful,

[1:18:38] but I, they're very rare.

[1:18:42] I'm just, is there, is there an opportunity

[1:18:45] to be copies on the staff report or something like that?

[1:18:48] Just so there's, oh, absolutely.

[1:18:50] Not much.

[1:18:52] It's a matter of fact that I was very thrilled.

[1:18:55] The mayor has provided me with permission

[1:18:58] to provide the council with land use training.

[1:19:01] And I think that you will benefit from that greatly in terms of the ordinances that we're bringing you.

[1:19:11] Just having that kind of baseline, what are we talking about?

[1:19:15] What are we in the municipal governance kind of realm?

[1:19:21] I think that that will be really, really helpful.

[1:19:24] And you'll be able to recognize right off the bat.

[1:19:26] kind of what area we're in after I'm able to set that for it.

[1:19:33] Because in general, you don't want elected people, whether they're your neighbors or

[1:19:40] professional politicians, making the decisions about what you kind of.

[1:19:45] That's why it goes through administrative.

[1:19:47] And the planning commission is essentially administrative, right?

[1:19:52] I mean, in terms of the administrative processes, yes.

[1:19:59] Okay, now I will really look forward to getting more training books.

[1:20:03] Yeah, I will bore you all to tears.

[1:20:06] It's my favorite topic.

[1:20:08] One final.

[1:20:10] It's like that.

[1:20:11] One thing.

[1:20:12] Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there's a code section that allows conditional use,

[1:20:16] it's in there to provide the applicant a way to make it happen.

[1:20:21] And so this is a way to describe what that conditional use process works like, and it's a case of a code that is offered by the facility.

[1:20:30] Yes, sir.

[1:20:31] What you'll have is prison.

[1:20:33] You'll have a list of permitted and conditional uses.

[1:20:36] And then at the end of the table, you'll essentially say, if it's not a permitted or conditional use, then it's prohibited under the zone.

[1:20:44] So, and then kind of there's your list.

[1:20:48] And you make that determination based on if it's permitted use.

[1:20:51] It's, okay, this is the real purpose of the zone,

[1:20:55] you know, like single family residents, for example.

[1:21:00] But you know, let's say you get a use like a,

[1:21:05] thank you.

[1:21:07] Or it's something that would require parking

[1:21:09] in a more residential area,

[1:21:12] or something along those lines,

[1:21:14] You'll see that as a conditional use and then through those conditions is the way that you mitigate

[1:21:21] the

[1:21:23] Not not just detrimental all the time, but you know, the the effects the impact of the development

[1:21:30] If I can jump in really quick, Robert's question in your answer, I think it's important because the council still has

[1:21:36] Control over initially use through the code through zoning. That's right. The general plan and so you have you know

[1:21:43] that fraud authority to go, once you put that policy in place, then the conditional use

[1:21:50] through the plan commission is what and ask that.

[1:21:53] So you do still have input and control.

[1:21:57] That's a, well put.

[1:22:01] Okay.

[1:22:02] Any other discussion question?

[1:22:04] Just one more.

[1:22:04] Does the planning commission do they go through a training process?

[1:22:07] Oh, yes, ma'am.

[1:22:08] So we have gone through a ton of training in the last G's, since Thanksgiving really, and

[1:22:18] they're phenomenal, what can I tell you?

[1:22:21] They're the best plant and commission in the state of Utah for hands down.

[1:22:26] So, no, they're absolutely amazing.

[1:22:30] But I really think that I think you would benefit greatly from just I won't keep you all night to find

[1:22:40] just schedule an hour and we can kind of get some fundamentals in place.

[1:22:44] I think because I also think that that will be helpful on other city business as well.

[1:22:49] We'll do that and we'll do it an hour before our meeting and some of your brain pizza.

[1:22:56] Okay.

[1:22:57] Thank you sir.

[1:22:57] Any other questions?

[1:22:59] I don't really think that's a good one.

[1:23:03] Somebody like to make a motion for us.

[1:23:08] That's my night.

[1:23:10] You look so well.

[1:23:13] I move that we both approve ordinance.

[1:23:20] This is 2026-0-08, which repeals and then replaces kind of 19.84 of the Immigration Canyon Road, and it just reduces.

[1:23:35] Second.

[1:23:37] Can you just question?

[1:23:39] Let's do it.

[1:23:40] Okay.

[1:23:45] With your own eye.

[1:23:50] Graham's eye.

[1:23:52] Harris eye.

[1:23:53] Fox eye.

[1:23:56] Thank you.

[1:23:57] Thank you.

[1:23:58] Thank you.

[1:24:01] Okay, I remember C is discussion, the casual action regarding fuels reduction along the main immigration

[1:24:08] Ken and Council member Paris.

[1:24:12] Okay, I'll try to keep this brief as I can because I did send out a little information via an email.

[1:24:20] The four, you know, just as background,

[1:24:27] a little over 85% of cloud-line fires, particularly

[1:24:32] brush fires, start within half a mile of a road and of that 85%, about 70% of them start

[1:24:43] along roads directly from vehicles either in changing, dragging that somebody wasn't aware of,

[1:24:53] gasoline leaking, that's probably less than a hot muffler if somebody pulls over to

[1:24:58] park, there's all kinds of ways. One of the recommended best practices is to trim back

[1:25:08] Russian grass along side road, then anybody's been up here in Immigration Oaks and the last week

[1:25:14] they've done that, they have a time where from three to four feet, script, or they've

[1:25:19] mode the grasses.

[1:25:22] And this does number things that makes it less likely that

[1:25:27] you know grass will be, you know, if the car pulls over to park, hop and offload or something,

[1:25:34] that the grass will be touching, and also if a fire does start to reduce this blame

[1:25:38] heights and gives firefighters more time, significantly more time to fight a fire.

[1:25:51] And so, you know, I actually have, I am going to propose that we do this in terms of what

[1:26:01] costs.

[1:26:04] It kind of depends on how we, I don't know whether this is something we have to ask

[1:26:08] the county to do. Immigration Oaks had about five and a half miles of road treated in this

[1:26:16] manner and it was a little over six thousand dollars. They did it in four days.

[1:26:22] And by hand, they did it, by hand, with weed whackers, yeah, and the string weed whackers

[1:26:33] are actually more recommended than some of the more industrial rush hogs, because they

[1:26:39] are less likely to cause a fire while you're doing it.

[1:26:41] I mean, that has happened, they recommend that you do it in early morning or late evening.

[1:26:48] You know, if you're using more industrial equipment, you go to make sure you have spark arrestors,

[1:26:54] you've got to be prepared to come up any sparks or planes.

[1:26:59] Let me ask a question, Council Member Hawks.

[1:27:03] We had a conversation discussion in the past about someone, a couple of works that wanted

[1:27:10] just spray, we'd tell her on the side of the road, on this grass and we said no because we

[1:27:18] don't want that to get into the immigration can of stream. So is there a budget to do that

[1:27:25] that we could use to cut the weeds? So that was that came from County and County does that every

[1:27:32] year and the reason why we really was treated as particularly carefully because along the main

[1:27:40] and you already have a lot of wells.

[1:27:42] And so each one of those wells is like well done.

[1:27:44] There's a well protection zone on each property.

[1:27:47] And so doing that, it could compromise somebody's well.

[1:27:51] That's well as the water.

[1:27:54] So, and it was also the material they were using to spray.

[1:28:00] Do you think there's someone in the county that can ask to do this?

[1:28:03] We can, yes, I have a contact.

[1:28:05] So I can reach out.

[1:28:07] I want you.

[1:28:08] Thank you.

[1:28:08] to do what give it a weed serve?

[1:28:12] No, to use that budget to weed black.

[1:28:15] Thanks for those.

[1:28:18] You know, my concern is that how long will this take

[1:28:23] rate that height of fire season right now?

[1:28:26] When the wild land crews are up here doing the brush

[1:28:28] chipping, they said they had to be actually

[1:28:31] careful in place, because there was so much

[1:28:34] long grass, long side of the roads, where people had put

[1:28:37] their brush that they felt like they were creating a risk, the other thing that they pointed

[1:28:42] out is an all-one of the emergency barriers that are really called grass coming up inside

[1:28:48] of the barriers along the road. And in a lot of places, the grass is taller than the Jersey

[1:28:53] area itself. They said that should really go.

[1:28:57] Has anyone come to an emergency camp for the reverse?

[1:29:00] I have not because I didn't know whether, you know, I'm not even sure we have to. We just

[1:29:06] we want to stun, do we have to use the county, or if we have, I have at least two private

[1:29:12] companies that, you know, would have interest in this, and you know, would it be, would it cost us more to get it to make? I don't know.

[1:29:25] So I just had this issue with another municipality, they had an area that identified as a fire risk,

[1:29:31] and the county came out within the weekend and trimmed it down. So I think making the contact

[1:29:35] the county would be the grant first step. If there's not enough in the county's budget,

[1:29:41] we would have to issue an RFP. It was over, I think, 10,000. But we can get that done recently quickly.

[1:29:51] I mean, it might be the same crew that we need to do.

[1:29:52] In the south of the Mississippi area, there is a crew that does this, and then train to

[1:29:57] do it, okay. So I'm a thinker.

[1:30:06] I'm happy to do anything I can to help facilitate this mental cause, you know, explain what needs to get done.

[1:30:18] So if I can quickly call it, Maryfield had it trimmed, the first three feet. I'm not sure who did it.

[1:30:24] It would have been, of course.

[1:30:25] So county option.

[1:30:26] Okay. Well, they probably have to remember the motors to do so.

[1:30:30] Yeah. Well, yeah, it was probably a public board.

[1:30:36] Yeah. But it looks like a perfect swath. I don't think it was hand.

[1:30:39] Okay.

[1:30:42] I wasn't looking at it with the, with the per, with the per, with the per.

[1:30:44] Well, I don't know what I just noticed.

[1:30:46] Well, because we had a situation on the main road that dealt with going worse.

[1:30:52] So I do have the main context for that as well as we so I'm just saying I think the best option is to go to public works

[1:31:04] Yeah

[1:31:22] decision here. Is this a decision action?

[1:31:25] I don't think so.

[1:31:26] I don't think so.

[1:31:27] Yeah.

[1:31:28] Okay.

[1:31:29] Something we would like to do.

[1:31:31] So what can you say to me?

[1:31:34] Okay.

[1:31:35] I'd like to move on.

[1:31:36] Item number D protocol for using code red.

[1:31:41] Oh.

[1:31:41] That's the rarest.

[1:31:43] Yeah.

[1:31:43] I wanted to talk about this.

[1:31:46] You know, when code red would be established,

[1:31:47] or when we first started using it,

[1:31:49] I think every council member was supposed to get

[1:31:53] screen.

[1:31:57] You know, this, this, it really got highlighted when we have the problem with the

[1:32:03] everything, but the university fire.

[1:32:08] Some people were out of town. I was getting calls from

[1:32:12] emergency management, but I was unable to do anything. David and Jennifer did both respond

[1:32:20] after a little while, but it made me realize we have to have some redundancy.

[1:32:25] And this was, you know, they made comments about this at our emergency management meeting.

[1:32:33] For, you know, the table complex, or size.

[1:32:35] And I just, I wanted to push this a little bit farther forward,

[1:32:39] because I think it's important that there's some redundancy that we all have training.

[1:32:45] I know it's hard for you.

[1:32:49] A lot of times I was saying, oh, I want this set out.

[1:32:51] And that's like a test.

[1:32:54] Obviously, David, Mayor Brings has to approve something

[1:33:00] that it's the only way that we have for immediate communication.

[1:33:05] And I feel like it's really not fair for me.

[1:33:07] To say, hey, you do this.

[1:33:08] I mean, I'm treating you like an administrative person.

[1:33:10] when I should be able to just do myself and not have to bother somebody else.

[1:33:16] But I do, in terms of safety, we have to have some redundancy.

[1:33:21] So, if that were done to see what would be David, it wouldn't fall on you.

[1:33:25] Just so you know, so the protocol and it's we already have a policy in place

[1:33:30] and it's a chain of command for emergency, yes.

[1:33:33] But in terms of, you know, David can tell me or anybody.

[1:33:37] So it goes through the emergency service provider so it goes down the chain of care.

[1:33:44] So whether it's emergency, the communication will still be approved by David.

[1:33:49] So whether I write it or it prepared, I always have a second set of eyes on it.

[1:33:56] But I think we need to have some redundancy but that would be David being trained on it or

[1:34:02] and Dawn, because she's the other change man.

[1:34:05] So that's how it would work.

[1:34:09] In terms of other users besides emergency,

[1:34:11] when code read was, and first, when we first adopted,

[1:34:16] and now we don't use code resist,

[1:34:17] they're company, but when it first adopted,

[1:34:20] everybody was supposed to have access to it.

[1:34:22] As long as you're a change.

[1:34:24] Yeah, but, and that's what I'm saying.

[1:34:26] I can't wait.

[1:34:26] But it still does go through the chain of command.

[1:34:29] For an emergency, I think it's really important

[1:34:32] that we do follow. I mean, we've got a policy in place now. If we want to make changes to that,

[1:34:38] we're going to review that policy and update it as need be. But I do think whoever sent it out,

[1:34:45] if communication needs to be concise, it needs to be. There's a certain way to do it,

[1:34:51] it has to be identified. It's not just information. It's done a certain way. That makes sense.

[1:34:59] So I do think the communication is to be, whoever's doing it, that you follow the same type of kind of right if you present it, what needs to be included,

[1:35:12] but as far as you've done to see it, do you think?

[1:35:16] I mean, David, have an information.

[1:35:21] I think we ought to try that for a while and see if that works.

[1:35:25] I need to be trying now.

[1:35:27] Absolutely.

[1:35:28] Okay.

[1:35:32] I see no reason for it's every module on the left, they write that.

[1:35:40] Let's do a test on the program, because last year in May, I was admitted in my information

[1:35:48] and when that fire happened at the U, I didn't get notification, Joe was in Missouri,

[1:35:54] and he called me, he was like, what's the test on the fire?

[1:35:56] like I've no idea, I don't know, do you guys ask the code right now?

[1:36:02] You know, there were a few people that described something similar.

[1:36:06] They had to create a new account, and I think,

[1:36:10] I don't know, did some people get dropped or something like that?

[1:36:13] There was to a new provider, I don't know.

[1:36:15] So, what I would have extended to me,

[1:36:18] the transition from files got compromised with the breach,

[1:36:26] I believe and so they were able to go back to 2025 and whatever that list was is what got transitioned through to a crisis 24

[1:36:35] So I have some marketing material that I'd like to push through email and a postcard and I'm just going to talk about that

[1:36:45] But I do think so according that we get that information also people sign up because not only the what those that signed up that they didn't get it

[1:36:53] So we've been priming in 2020, but people that have moved in and out also need to know

[1:36:59] that that's the mode of communication.

[1:37:01] So we need a push, we'll just push a push card, and you know.

[1:37:11] We have other opinions,

[1:37:15] I'd just like to see the policies, and I know more about it, I always

[1:37:18] have to think more about it, I don't see it better, just as a general practice on there.

[1:37:27] I'm not sure I'm the best person to do this, but I...

[1:37:31] I think having more people involved in justice programs. The longer the chamber commander's done, the more the do, the better. Do you know?

[1:37:40] No, but should have been there, but it's the same thing. It's very easy to do.

[1:37:58] Well, I've already said, but I would like to do.

[1:38:05] Um, I'm in favor of having a salt drink.

[1:38:11] I was in favor of trying, I don't think it would be about idea.

[1:38:15] I do feel like when an L.S. might root out.

[1:38:20] I don't know what it is.

[1:38:23] Can I kind of make a note on that?

[1:38:25] Because I felt a different experience.

[1:38:27] I felt like, so once there was never done,

[1:38:31] if I could change command, it was like,

[1:38:33] who's in charge? Does that make sense? So they didn't have our accurate chain of command.

[1:38:40] They didn't have the information. So how they had that? They want to go through the proper

[1:38:43] channels. So really, because we can, generally, so that it would have gone through the chain of

[1:38:51] command. That didn't happen. Even after the chain of command established, there were things

[1:38:56] that were asked if we'd fallen up on it. And I said, have you, I don't send anything out on us,

[1:39:02] that was in the chain of command.

[1:39:03] That was like, oh, okay.

[1:39:05] So just, we could do that.

[1:39:07] I think we need to remind each other.

[1:39:09] Whether we're trained on it or not,

[1:39:10] it was still, whoever's writing it has to have it right

[1:39:13] or can't believe it, it still goes to that chain of command.

[1:39:15] It doesn't give you authority to be

[1:39:17] to be trained on it just to work it out,

[1:39:20] unless you've identified that.

[1:39:22] So whatever happens, whatever type of emergency,

[1:39:24] we need to identify who's in charge and follow that.

[1:39:28] That would have to be a good one on that.

[1:39:30] That's true. I all I know is when they called me, they said we have been trying to get in touch with you and with Mayor Browns

[1:39:40] I have called him right then and I think I have been in minutes. I have been in contact with them since the very beginning.

[1:39:49] Okay, that's not what I was told, but anyway, and I spoke to you after you find when you called me, it was an hour and a half after they have had me.

[1:40:03] So, I don't want to get into that. I'm also referring to use a code read because we use it as community information, not the emergency aspect, but I fully agree that there needs to be a very defined change of command and also redundancy.

[1:40:16] And that's why there's, you know, mayor, deputy mayor, that's also why there's, you know,

[1:40:22] involves police and fire in there's, you know, and, you know, very defined, instead of rules

[1:40:29] that they follow, but I'm also talking about code read for informational purposes.

[1:40:34] When we do the community information text.

[1:40:38] Uh, where are you done?

[1:40:39] I had some time.

[1:40:40] So, I, I, I, I feel strongly that there should be a little bit more redundancy with that

[1:40:46] so that you don't have to do it all.

[1:40:49] Well, that's the role I took on when I

[1:40:53] wrote the communication, so it's just not.

[1:40:54] Yeah, and I know that oftentimes I've asked about things,

[1:40:59] and it's been quite some time before it actually happens.

[1:41:02] And so, others of us should be able to take that burden on.

[1:41:10] So, it's a lot of experience.

[1:41:12] Thank you, it is.

[1:41:13] So, just a couple of points of information.

[1:41:15] It sounds like there is some consensus among the council.

[1:41:18] And so I think what we could use is a motion for what the council wants to happen, whether that's training or provision to policy.

[1:41:28] Just for your information, the policy on the use of the system reads that the township will have the ability to issue alerts on behalf of law enforcement, fire service, public services, emergency medical services, and other collaborative organizations.

[1:41:42] However, if a non-emergency public announcement is needed, the request must follow certain

[1:41:47] guidelines, specifically the notice must be submitted in writing and approved by the authorized

[1:41:51] user, which is the mayor first and then Council members that the mayor's unable to

[1:41:56] specifically announce, but must be submitted in writing for a period of 48 hours in advance.

[1:42:03] That's the policy as it exists. The Council can change that for any other portion.

[1:42:07] That's very non-emergency issue, correct.

[1:42:13] Something that, as a potential,

[1:42:18] public benefit slash emergency pay attention to.

[1:42:25] We can send one out now without flooding.

[1:42:27] That's right.

[1:42:28] Watch your blood.

[1:42:29] I'm going to be referring to this going to be a marathon tomorrow.

[1:42:34] And the uphill thing of the road is going to be closed.

[1:42:36] I don't know what I mean.

[1:42:38] I don't know what I mean.

[1:42:40] I don't know what I mean.

[1:42:41] I don't know what I mean.

[1:42:42] I don't know what I mean.

[1:42:44] Or, you know, I said that, I had a 10% out of a massive thing.

[1:42:49] If you have a brush palette, it's not yet been done.

[1:42:52] Please let us know.

[1:42:53] I got 35 different emails about that.

[1:42:57] It was a really useful thing.

[1:42:58] I had never heard about this 40-an-hour thing.

[1:43:01] They would have already been down the road.

[1:43:03] But then, you know, they're not in the community.

[1:43:05] So, I'm not sure if I agree with that, but it feeds a 40-hour waiting period to send that information.

[1:43:16] I would suggest that we take a look at it.

[1:43:18] Because it is the most effective way that we have to do people, you know.

[1:43:27] Just to convey information.

[1:43:28] And I do think that we used to be so close to the government, though, just in the back of it.

[1:43:35] And I'm speaking of, like, my child's work.

[1:43:37] In other cases, if too many are sent out, then there's a bombing effect where I don't want to open anything.

[1:43:45] So, there's a balance between what is that, how it sends to some.

[1:43:49] And I had some, it's totally fine to push a tax in that.

[1:43:54] That is the easiest one about me.

[1:43:56] But if you're asking for a call on it,

[1:44:00] people tend to get a little bit nervous that it comes in as a call.

[1:44:03] So I think the way you want to push it,

[1:44:07] or how often you want to push it,

[1:44:10] because just as a reminder,

[1:44:11] the two things we had said about sex and emails,

[1:44:16] and it was great.

[1:44:21] So that was the best way to get that approach done.

[1:44:26] But I have to say, always our gratins.

[1:44:30] He knows that I have to know what it is to do.

[1:44:34] I said, I don't know.

[1:44:36] Yeah.

[1:44:37] That's good to hear.

[1:44:38] OK.

[1:44:39] But we won't listen to that question.

[1:44:42] Yeah.

[1:44:42] So I didn't want to break this out.

[1:44:44] I just learned to start conversation.

[1:44:46] And I am not suggesting that we are not by anything

[1:44:49] to emerge and cease and death.

[1:44:52] I love this thing.

[1:44:57] I don't know that we have a need of hope now.

[1:45:02] I think that the majority of the council have the right to be trained, and another case, the stairs are the right to be.

[1:45:14] This, do you train?

[1:45:19] Yeah, that's great. Thank you. Just one of these and should you send that volunteer to the chairman?

[1:45:26] I'd just like to read. Yeah, it's email already. Okay.

[1:45:32] Okay.

[1:45:38] The traffic, no traffic miss analysis counts in the middle of the box.

[1:45:46] Okay, so this is just, I wanted to give you back, I have made some contacts.

[1:45:53] Just conversations, I have been talking to some of the engineers about accidents,

[1:45:59] in the last five to ten years, and there's a company that called fair pears and asked them

[1:46:07] for recommendations, and there's a company that will do its company nervous analysis,

[1:46:15] and what they'll do is they do it, it's coupled with track accounts if you can't do one of the other.

[1:46:21] So it's a little bit of a redundant act of the engineers that engineers are studying to work with driving out,

[1:46:28] that's where they're going to do it too.

[1:46:32] And the product is going to have to work with the project.

[1:46:38] I don't know.

[1:46:43] I don't know what this technology does, is they also have a camera, they can do the counts.

[1:46:50] and then they analyze it and then they do it there, there is analysis.

[1:46:59] So what that does is we determine that there is like a touch of rash or biking,

[1:47:05] someone who aren't targeting the bike, and I think that is a piece of emergency.

[1:47:09] Could we get a sound?

[1:47:13] Yeah.

[1:47:14] I think I'd like to see that.

[1:47:16] This sound like you're going to do it like this.

[1:47:23] So with the test patient master plan, there is a crash analysis, that's it, it's not

[1:47:28] here, but it's not familiar with that analysis, and the test patients might get so long

[1:47:33] through the process.

[1:47:35] So we don't have a draft, we'll look at it, but we may be able to pull that piece that they

[1:47:39] already have done.

[1:47:40] If you see that, if you see something, it's easier to work with.

[1:47:44] What even a thought would be, if there's, if they are getting a lot in the mouth,

[1:47:49] we have traffic jam, if we can supplement and have that.

[1:47:53] This was added up to that.

[1:47:56] Only existing fraction data.

[1:47:59] So now I do enjoy looking and working with nothing.

[1:48:03] They're fully fractionated.

[1:48:05] And you know that both of these people and they are willing to see the base and only that, you know, but they're not actually there.

[1:48:15] They're not numbers.

[1:48:17] They're not in that direction.

[1:48:20] But are they doing like there?

[1:48:22] Are they doing like there?

[1:48:23] Are they doing like there?

[1:48:23] Or are they doing like there?

[1:48:26] There are.

[1:48:28] Yes.

[1:48:29] They're going to interact with you.

[1:48:30] And I don't know how that relates to your business.

[1:48:32] So if what they would do, they would just imagine to, so they instead of pulling up the line across the room, they too might be you.

[1:48:42] So they took them to the end of the day, analyze in a different way, and that's the difference.

[1:48:48] That's your miss.

[1:48:50] I think since the setup was actually, you know, we're going to get to the end of it.

[1:48:54] Our little tip for the present piece was that the plan has done more progress.

[1:49:13] The next item on our agenda is planning commission appointments and as far as I know you have to be able to

[1:49:44] I think it would be good to have an alternate number of ion information, and Claire, I don't

[1:49:57] I don't know whether it's possible to have a group or a panic relationship with anyone this is too consecutive

[1:50:03] because the ultimate group of patients is that?

[1:50:07] That's the way.

[1:50:09] There may already be language to that advice of each other.

[1:50:13] Usually there is.

[1:50:14] Is that something we can accomplish in the next one?

[1:50:18] I don't know.

[1:50:19] Absolutely.

[1:50:20] That leaves her.

[1:50:25] Would you like to ask a question?

[1:50:27] Thank you very much.

[1:50:29] Post.

[1:50:41] Well, have I heard about this thing?

[1:50:44] We're dealing with the...

[1:50:45] Let's talk.

[1:50:47] I don't think so.

[1:50:50] I don't have anything to add.

[1:50:54] Can I make a post?

[1:50:56] That would like a post.

[1:50:57] We went to a small cut to the tiny commission and David Lincoln as an ultimatum.

[1:51:08] I think I can point them on that.

[1:51:12] I'd like to hear some more.

[1:51:18] So it is with the license consent of the council.

[1:51:22] So you can point the other way.

[1:51:26] You'll accept, Joe.

[1:51:28] Thank you.

[1:51:33] Okay, I don't think so, okay, so we're going to take a deep, I'm just going to stress.

[1:51:42] So there are any, did you call those things up and then you can have a deep breath?

[1:51:46] I've read their actions, so I'm going to take a deep breath.

[1:51:53] And I did me too.

[1:52:18] Okay, um, help the Utah designation of dates.

[1:52:24] Councilman, I did not have a lot of dates for this.

[1:52:28] Thanks.

[1:52:28] See the desired standards.

[1:52:30] Design guidelines, council member box.

[1:53:00] These are the guidelines we're going to give to and how we prioritize the improvements along

[1:53:13] the road.

[1:53:14] I have a general comment that it seems, and it seems to be a little bit cyclist.

[1:53:29] I like it to say how we use this at the world.

[1:53:34] I like it to say how we use this at the world.

[1:53:38] I like to assume that it gets to be a teacher.

[1:53:43] Is that the least?

[1:53:44] Yes, that's it.

[1:53:46] I think so.

[1:53:47] And maybe this is, I think, back a little bit.

[1:53:50] So, a lot of the, and we can move to the previous absolutely.

[1:53:53] But a lot of the materials for the ground, as far as safety goes, it needs to be specified.

[1:54:04] And that makes you feel cyclist heavy, but in the fact that we're not using the right story, so we're not using the right story.

[1:54:14] And I think there's a lot of others.

[1:54:20] There's walkers and there's...

[1:54:23] Rollers, can you hear us?

[1:54:25] There's a little bit of garbage.

[1:54:26] We need to include, okay.

[1:54:28] But they use that section of the water.

[1:54:30] Right.

[1:54:31] That's more than science.

[1:54:35] So do you.

[1:54:36] Okay.

[1:54:37] So just go through and make sure it is.

[1:54:39] It's not cyclists center.

[1:54:41] Okay.

[1:54:41] The

[1:54:45] couple meetings go tamerly talk about the standards that use for cyclists and design.

[1:54:54] It's just one picture of the focus system of that initiative.

[1:54:58] It has the right way of noticing the snow.

[1:55:01] But it's interesting.

[1:55:02] Like afterstanders, all the centers throughout the meeting.

[1:55:06] And I would like to part of this business with like engineers.

[1:55:09] Yeah, yeah.

[1:55:10] Yeah.

[1:55:10] was going to be nice to just, I mean, I think it's free.

[1:55:18] I like the idea of having this but I want to further find the experts to this,

[1:55:26] then we don't know what we mean.

[1:55:31] So the intent as well is not just a standard as far as materials and where the statements

[1:55:40] But also, this would not only go to, I'm thinking of this as a long trip, so we want to think,

[1:55:48] but I think there's definitely what we want this to be like.

[1:55:51] So these standards would cover that.

[1:55:53] But it would also help in the back of the pipeline, or into it coming in.

[1:55:59] If they're going to obtain it to four or three pieces,

[1:56:03] they would still have to follow these guidelines.

[1:56:08] So, whether it's signing into all the program, material, all of the things that we've got there when we start to act.

[1:56:16] That's the big question, is it, is it a computer lab, is it a comprehensive lab?

[1:56:22] Well, that's, I mean, are we missing anything?

[1:56:24] So, I just want to make note that the county has designed a construction guidelines that are part of the county's contract with design professionals.

[1:56:34] I wonder if we have a camera, there's a camera, check and see if some of that language ought

[1:56:43] to be considered in this package.

[1:56:51] You do another thing this week?

[1:56:52] It's a great work.

[1:56:58] Yeah, this is a huge problem.

[1:57:01] I did not make it on the way through, but we're pretty likely to understand this.

[1:57:06] So one thing I think we could add, and I don't know, thoughts on this, but I'm on any of the

[1:57:16] lightest lightest issues that I'm going to occur in every season of lightest light.

[1:57:21] I've seen it in, um, here, that your relatives should know when they're seeing their

[1:57:28] generosity.

[1:57:30] But yeah, further we can't notice it in the light.

[1:57:32] So I don't know if that would help in some of the changing ways of the pet, as far as it's just a

[1:57:39] robust or a lot of center so that you know you don't know me. I think everybody knows how

[1:57:44] we're starting out there's a blind car and you have to hide the inside or you make some active car coming around that corner

[1:57:51] because they crossed the lots of the line. So it just kind of can people in the lane.

[1:57:57] So that, I think about those, there are measures, and there's anything that might be helpful, and they will get in.

[1:58:06] Okay.

[1:58:09] Okay.

[1:58:10] And let's check against the kind of things.

[1:58:13] We'll go for approval for this.

[1:58:17] Okay.

[1:58:18] Okay.

[1:58:18] We need to get this approved really on our next meeting together.

[1:58:21] Absolutely.

[1:58:22] So let's say, and if you can take some time, if there's something that's missing,

[1:58:25] something you feel very strongly that you need to add.

[1:58:27] I will copy Samrin, Cameron's got a copy of it, I don't know if we need it, please, I don't think so, yeah, it's not the great, yes.

[1:58:39] Anybody else who think that with my nature? Okay,

[1:58:47] thank you.

[1:58:49] Okay, thank you.

[1:58:50] City Attorney updates,

[1:58:56] there's still going to be a lot of City Attorney going on.

[1:58:58] There has been, yeah.

[1:59:00] Okay, I think we're all, we all know what that is.

[1:59:04] Council member reports myself,

[1:59:08] attending the July 8th MSD meeting.

[1:59:13] There was a representative from Salt Lake County

[1:59:15] giving a notice of termination of a Master in the local agreement

[1:59:19] between Salt Lake County and MSD.

[1:59:23] 20 to 60 minutes of discussion and very concerning and I'll report more on that in the future.

[1:59:34] I think that was the most consequential thing last week.

[1:59:40] We all are aware that the county wants to reduce funding to NSD and maybe we'll talk about

[1:59:48] at the same. There's two major things going on that will affect immigration candidates.

[1:59:56] This is what my funding. I don't want to take it under. Take it.

[2:00:02] You go full go for it. It's the same thing. So, the county wants to pull out of it. So, be certain.

[2:00:09] And leave a hole there. So, this is something that was discussed at the county council level.

[2:00:16] And there's a critical doubt this is. And it's up concerned.

[2:00:22] Now, I think about why is the county shedding its responsibility to government?

[2:00:27] But, you know, that's another discussion for another time.

[2:00:32] Okay.

[2:00:34] Council member with it is out, Council member Harris.

[2:00:39] Oh, where do you come?

[2:00:40] I think I have something to say.

[2:00:43] Oh, okay.

[2:00:47] Unified fire authority.

[2:00:50] We are in one of the low experiences.

[2:00:52] We just passed the budget last month.

[2:00:55] There's not a great deal.

[2:01:03] I mean,

[2:01:10] I have a third thing I know they weren't talking about making some modifications, and it sounded like things were imminent, but I haven't been able to learn anything.

[2:01:20] I do have a meeting with my persuasive with fire, forestry, and state lands next week, so I hear anything else pass along.

[2:01:28] So we've done everything that we're required to to apply, and so we're just waiting on.

[2:01:32] We are sort of my stuff.

[2:01:34] You know, as I mean, this is an oversimplification that essentially they keep pushing back the deadlines,

[2:01:42] or they're going to start collecting money from a phoenix.

[2:01:47] It's not a tax.

[2:01:48] It's a phoenix from properties within the affected areas.

[2:01:52] But they keep pushing back, not just that date, that things are going to be implemented,

[2:01:59] that they have yet to release the actual standards or how risked the home property

[2:02:06] artist can mitigate the virus.

[2:02:11] And they kind of got a dark, I mean, even their website hasn't their own one thing.

[2:02:17] So I am curious to see what's going to happen there.

[2:02:21] And I put off inviting them to come to talk to the community because I don't think they have a great job to say, right?

[2:02:30] This is still so much in flux.

[2:02:33] The watershed plan, I don't have much to report.

[2:02:37] I have reached out to Bob Thompson asking him, you know,

[2:02:42] what a resident research concerns that we might not have a watershed plan.

[2:02:47] I don't think that's true.

[2:02:48] If I can, he is not responded to me, yeah.

[2:02:53] So,

[2:02:56] okay,

[2:02:59] can't remember who I was.

[2:03:02] I don't have an update.

[2:03:04] There isn't a meeting this month.

[2:03:06] So, lots of more information on the week.

[2:03:10] It just started out with it.

[2:03:13] And there was one.

[2:03:16] Please text an information that I'd like to add to the website

[2:03:19] and everyone's okay with it.

[2:03:21] It's wildfire insurance resources for residents, and there's a list of links, but this emergency had prepared for wildfire.

[2:03:31] During emergency, when you evacuate, emergency plan, what to do after, most of them are those families, but it's a resource for residents.

[2:03:43] Yes, that's what a nice thing is, if you're okay with that.

[2:03:48] And then I will be standing out on CodeGread.

[2:03:53] We always stand out the Wednesday prayer to a Saturday event,

[2:04:01] which was American, the dozen news Americans on this planet

[2:04:04] can in a Saturday.

[2:04:05] So Wednesday, there'll be the first notification as an information.

[2:04:11] And then the night before is the reminder.

[2:04:13] So that'll go out tomorrow, which is the Wednesday before.

[2:04:16] and then Friday evening.

[2:04:21] And then...

[2:04:22] Just the five to the event is on...

[2:04:24] It's on Saturday.

[2:04:26] It's a 24.

[2:04:28] Okay.

[2:04:29] So that Friday?

[2:04:30] Right.

[2:04:33] So the notifications will go out at Wednesday

[2:04:36] and then I'll set it up.

[2:04:38] On Thursday or the remainder.

[2:04:39] The reminder is that there is a...

[2:04:41] Yes.

[2:04:42] The larger.

[2:04:43] That is.

[2:04:45] The upper lane is...

[2:04:46] The lower lane.

[2:04:48] traffic from one time to one time?

[2:04:50] Um, it is, I don't know what time to look it up.

[2:04:54] I don't have that information for you.

[2:04:55] But I think it's like, I think they're all they can if I...

[2:04:59] Nine.

[2:05:01] Who was early as, like, five or four years?

[2:05:03] Five or nine, six or nine years?

[2:05:06] But I'll look out there for you.

[2:05:08] I'll... I'll... I'll take it for you.

[2:05:09] Go. Thank you.

[2:05:10] Um.

[2:05:17] But...

[2:05:18] Or we ordered a message, trailer, and that was not entered right for you.

[2:05:25] Oh, of course.

[2:05:28] Sorry.

[2:05:29] So co-regional, the messages will go out.

[2:05:33] And then, let's see.

[2:05:39] Does there anything that needs to be updated on the website that anyone is aware of?

[2:05:44] I was going to just put my known Cameron Cameron mentioned that email list, so I was going to put information on that.

[2:05:56] If people want to be added to the list for the project update.

[2:06:01] But other than that, if you have any time you have anything, let me know.

[2:06:06] I think that's all I've got.

[2:06:08] Thank you.

[2:06:10] Robert, do you have any of the things?

[2:06:15] So regarding UPD, I attended the meeting this last week, for about UPD and Solisa, a lot

[2:06:25] of promotions were announced this week, so tonight, and during the Solisa meeting we were

[2:06:32] updated on the county, pulling out of Solisa's home going continuation of what the mayor

[2:06:42] and what's happened to a real-ford paradigm.

[2:06:46] This idea is different.

[2:06:48] And these four out of the special districts.

[2:06:52] I wasn't bad.

[2:06:54] We continued to work with the UPD for the trailers.

[2:06:58] The trailers have been ordered.

[2:07:00] The chapter of the pick, that was what you were asking them.

[2:07:04] The LED signs.

[2:07:05] So the repair and the new trailer have been ordered.

[2:07:10] And the numbers that we received.

[2:07:12] I'm talking to the same numbers, they do have a boat, put on the capability, so that's

[2:07:18] my privilege.

[2:07:21] You can do it.

[2:07:22] I'm fine.

[2:07:24] This will be too far out of the same equipment.

[2:07:29] Like the worst.

[2:07:44] We saw something about movement, centrally linked. I've seen a couple of trucks in the canyon.

[2:07:55] I mean, do you think there's a loose discussion about micro-transition, sometimes it's what I don't know what it is.

[2:08:01] Kevin, do you know anything about women?

[2:08:05] Yes.

[2:08:06] We do have a development agreement.

[2:08:08] I think it's our French eyes of the Green.

[2:08:09] Sorry.

[2:08:10] Thank you.

[2:08:13] We, it was passed in three.

[2:08:18] So it's a 10 year agreement.

[2:08:21] So it's coming up to the radio outside of 2012 or 13.

[2:08:27] So it's coming up to renew.

[2:08:28] We've got to meet with them to just figure out what their time frame is.

[2:08:31] when they're, when it's going to happen.

[2:08:34] It sounds like they're planning to do off for K.

[2:08:38] Yeah, it wasn't clear to me, because the French

[2:08:41] has a green that's talked about, yeah, for fiber,

[2:08:45] but it's on on the holes.

[2:08:47] It's not, it's not like it was not on a background.

[2:08:50] That's why I don't know for sure.

[2:08:51] Because I have to be what they're, what their project is.

[2:08:54] It looks neat with them, you find out.

[2:08:57] Yeah, OK, thank you.

[2:08:59] That's all I have.

[2:09:00] Can I follow up and just make a sign?

[2:09:03] And I'm just going back to Kodra just because I want to clarify it because I don't know.

[2:09:06] I'll comment just follow me.

[2:09:09] I'm just going back to my tag.

[2:09:12] So, on this fire thing, I contacted Madison.

[2:09:15] I wasn't, I didn't have a computer accessible.

[2:09:18] I contacted where her within 14 minutes.

[2:09:21] And her, like, I just told her I was working on the Kodra.

[2:09:24] And I worked with Madison as well as ballet county and had never knew it.

[2:09:29] So I'm just telling it there's a process and when you say like something it didn't go out and get an hour, it wasn't because

[2:09:35] somebody was not doing what they were supposed to be doing. It was because there's a process.

[2:09:40] I still have a matter of some of you. I said, would you please? I'm going to write this. I send it to her within probably 15, 20 minutes.

[2:09:47] She rebuked it and then she wanted someone else to look at. So I'm just saying that sometimes

[2:09:53] I don't know, I just want people to understand, it's not just, I take things very seriously

[2:10:00] and code read one of them, and there's just been times that it's implied that it takes a long time

[2:10:08] and it's really not the case if you're working, if you're seeing what's happening behind the scenes

[2:10:12] so I just wanted to be that, I wanted that on the record because the earlier comment was not accurate

[2:10:22] or didn't have an affirmation.

[2:10:27] Thank you.

[2:10:28] Are there any future agenda items?

[2:10:34] Design guidelines of discussion and approval for next month.

[2:10:40] Or?

[2:10:46] Well, probably, we'll try and do training,

[2:10:49] Claire, on or in our next meeting.

[2:10:51] Yes, sir.

[2:10:52] Okay.

[2:10:53] May I ask you to let her look session?

[2:10:55] Instead of a regular council session?

[2:10:57] Yes.

[2:10:57] Thank you.

[2:10:58] I think that's the end of our meeting tonight.

[2:11:00] can we have the motion to adjourn? We're going to go on a close session.

[2:11:05] Do we need to, uh, kind of?

[2:11:08] We have the last minute, uh, audience comments?

[2:11:13] We don't, we only do it at the beginning.

[2:11:16] Oh.

[2:11:16] Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, Tyler.

[2:11:20] You're talking about looming, you're talking about communication,

[2:11:23] you're talking about this cane.

[2:11:25] I'm going to tell you, I deal with looming a lot.

[2:11:27] do a concox block and then if they're going to either barrier or go

[2:11:31] aerial, the reason they're going aerial is with the new poles they now have

[2:11:36] height that they can legally do, but their places is the kingdom where we

[2:11:39] no longer have anything on poles, so for them to make it up the kingdom that

[2:11:42] get to a barrier, which would be direct bore, and I'll tell you I've had

[2:11:46] go back after when they've done that and over here is where they've only

[2:11:50] put one piece of tubing in the ground, and a lot of cities now require

[2:11:57] at least two, I actually ground you do your breadberry, so you've got room, and I had done places

[2:12:04] where they've gone to three. I would highly recommend that you don't let me if they have

[2:12:09] any direct burial. Don't do this one. Do it too. We'll leave what they want to see what they're

[2:12:16] No, it's not me.

[2:12:19] It's not me.

[2:12:20] I don't do the good.

[2:12:22] Because that would come in.

[2:12:24] Yes.

[2:12:26] Crisis up here.

[2:12:28] Okay.

[2:12:29] We have a motion with you.

[2:12:31] Which one motion to go into closed session?

[2:12:34] No.

[2:12:35] We'll do a motion to go into that.

[2:12:37] Correct.

[2:12:38] We have a motion to go into closed session.

[2:12:40] Point up purpose.

[2:12:43] So there's two reasons on the agenda.

[2:12:44] One is litigation, one is real estate.

[2:12:47] Relication and real estate.

[2:12:49] Yes.

[2:12:49] Second.

[2:12:51] Second, roll call.

[2:12:53] Yes.

[2:12:54] In your own guess.

[2:12:56] Correct, yes.

[2:12:57] I'm just.

[2:12:58] Her insist.

[2:13:00] Talk to you.

[2:13:04] Thank you, everybody.

[2:13:09] Good luck, Tyler.

[2:13:10] What's happening inside, I can run.

[2:13:12] Look at this.

[2:13:13] Are you on your bike, Tyler?

[2:13:14] Yeah.

[2:13:15] What's up?

[2:13:16] What are you on?

[2:13:16] Are you in five bikes?

[2:13:18] I looked at the truck and walked up.

[2:13:19] Yeah, yeah, yeah

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