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U forum being present, we're going to
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start the meeting. Uh we have tellers
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appointed if we need them. It's kind of
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a a light crowd tonight. Uh we have
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Terresa Whitman, Rob Fitzgibbons, and
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Vicki Catalo.
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If I get everyone to stand, we'll do a
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pledge of allegiance who will over here.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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United States of America, to the
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republic for which it stands, one
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nation.
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indivisice.
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Stand one more minute. Heading it being
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our 250th anniversary at the birthday of
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the United States. Just want to wish
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everyone a happy birthday.
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Now you can sit down.
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Um
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the warrant has been uh posted in its
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proper locations.
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Um, if you are a non-voter or or
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unregistered or a non-resident, you
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should be over in the lefth hand side of
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the room. If you don't have a card, you
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need to be over there uh to vote. We're
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going to do cards. Unless it's going to
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be a teller count, standing count. So,
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when I ask raise your card for yay or
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nay, please do that. If you can keep the
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chitchat down, I can't hear a lot of the
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little conversations, but a lot of
[1:18]
people can hear conversations, so they
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can't hear the speakers. So, if you can
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keep the discussions to a minimum, that
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would be very helpful.
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I do have a request from the fire chief
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and I believe maybe the police fire for
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reminding people to put numbers on your
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homes on your street address, whether
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it's on your house itself or if you're
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in a long driveway at the front or end
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of the driveway. Like to thank the
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people that have already participated. I
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believe Sally's here. She was involved
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in that process. Sophie, just remember
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it's very important that you get those
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numbers so that they can respond when
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they need to.
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I believe there are two articles, two
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zoning articles on number 14 and number
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28. They will require a twothirds vote.
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So when that happens, um I believe I
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should ask planning board if they had
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their public hearings on both of those
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articles.
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She has affirmed that they have. And you
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want to you going to respond to those
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when they come up? Perfect. Um finance
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committee is here.
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» That's not helpful.
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I will make a motion to wave the reading
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of the warrant.
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Is there a second? All those in favor?
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>> Thank you.
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Um
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really performance.
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Um, I guess we're going to start with
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article one and wait for the finance
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committee because I had a question just
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as I did with the plumbing board. So,
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uh, we'll start with article one,
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please.
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Hello everybody, Alvin Harrow here. Um,
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article one is a fun article, my
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favorite of all. Um, I elangarrow move
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that the town authorize the board of
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selectman to appoint a surveyor and bark
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and lumber
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for bark and lumber.
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>> Is there a second to that?
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>> Any discussion? Uh the only discussion
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is um I will say that Brendan provided
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us with some information to let us know
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that in 2010 the board of selectman had
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selected had decided to continue this
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traditional um motion. Thank you.
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» All those in favor of article one raise
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your card.
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Any opposed? The motion passes
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unanimously.
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Article Article Two.
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>> Good evening everyone. I, Peter D.
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Fippen, move that the town receive the
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reports of the town officials, boards,
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and committees contained in the annual
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town report as you should all have.
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>> Is there a second
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discussion?
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>> No discussion.
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>> Any discussion from anyone out here?
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>> Okay. All those in favor of article two,
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raise your card, please.
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Any opposed?
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The motion passes. Just want to remind
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every we have uh Drew Tar, our new state
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rep uh representative.
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He replaced Dan Margaret. Thank you for
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coming.
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Article three.
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» I can't skip it.
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Mr. Moderator, if we could move to move
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to five until the income gets here.
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>> Is that a motion to move article five
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before article three? Please.
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>> Is there a second to that?
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>> All those in favor of moving article
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five before article 3.
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>> Any opposed? So move article five.
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Good evening. My name is Robert Teal
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from the um Essex um school committee
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member to the um tech school board. I,
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Robert Teal, move that the town vote to
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raise and appropriate the sum of $257127
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to pay the town's share of the operation
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and capital cost of the Essex Rockshore
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Agricultural Technical Hight Technical
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School District for the fiscal year
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commencing July 1st, 2026. Is there a
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second?
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>> Any discussion?
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See none. All those in favor of article
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five, please raise your card. Any
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opposed? The motion passes.
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Mr. Moderator, we're going to move to
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article 8.
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>> Is that a motion to move article 8? Is
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there a second?
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All those in favor of moving article 843
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raise your card.
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Um
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>> opposed.
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>> I elaro move the town vote to approve
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the wage and salary scale for fiscal
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year 2027 in accordance with the
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recommendation of the personnel board
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report.
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>> Any discussion?
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Um if you look at the report you will
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see that the um some areas that we're
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looking at moving um were for the
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Council on Aging and for the library
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but so no real discussion.
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>> Any other discussion?
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» Yes.
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>> Mr. Moderator I, Edward Neil, move that
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the town vote to amend article 8 the
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wage and salary scale for 2027 by
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deleting under the heading fire
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department the first line fire captain
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fire prevention officer minimum $90,000
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maximum $120,000.
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There's a second
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Am
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I recognized?
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I'm just trying to make sure I can
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speak. Okay.
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You're recognized, Ed.
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>> Thank you. Before I fully dawn this hair
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shirt, I want to share my bonafidees. I
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was a firefighter EMT for 10 years in
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the 80s and 90s and my son recently
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completed over 10 years as a firefighter
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EMT. I was the chief of the auxiliary fire department for a few
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years back when we had one. Um I have
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the greatest respect and gratitude for
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our first responders and didn't need to
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see the heroics of the recent river
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rescue who appreciate the courage and
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dedication that they demonstrate
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regularly. For over 20 years, we've been
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periodically told that we need one or
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more full-time firefighters due to fewer
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able a able individuals working in town.
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The usual pressing issues were the
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necessary paperwork and inspections
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needed to be done. Most recently, it was
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asserted that we needed full-time staff
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due to the number of medical calls until
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research revealed that even departments
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with many full-time firemen contract out
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their ambulance services as more
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economical than hiring staff. In those
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same 20 years, I am unaware of any
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calamity resulting from a lack of a
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full-time department or our first
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responders letting us down. Approving
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this wage and salary scale would be the
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first step towards a full-time fire
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department. And the issue deserves more
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consideration than having the question
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buried in the wage and salary scale.
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When I was on the department, every
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Thursday evening and Sunday morning,
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firemen would come to the station and
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perform a variety of menial tasks like
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washing the trucks, checking and filling
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the SCBA air bottles and water tanks on
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the trucks, as well as just driving the
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trucks around to keep everything
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lubricated. This was all done for free.
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Time donated to the town by willing
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volunteers. My experience with the
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department my experience with
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departments that have transitioned to
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full-time employees is that the
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volunteer incentive diminishes.
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Why should volunteers do this work when
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the town is paying for men to man the
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station? Inevitably, friction grows
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between the full-time and call men with
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the full-timers considering themselves
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as professionals and treating veterans
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of the call department as amateurs. This
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is bad for the department and the town
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because it leads to callmen retiring,
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creating a need for more full-timers.
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This is a small town and we do not have
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the d tax base to support a full-time
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department. To date, the town has done a
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good job of addressing the manning
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problem by hiring part-time men from
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other departments or hiring young men
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who want to be firemen. And we train
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them and give them the experience that
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makes them desirable to other
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surrounding full-time departments. This
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is a win-win for the fire service
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overall. As for the inspections, we have
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part-time building, plumbing,
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electrical, animal health, restaurant,
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and public nurses nurse inspection
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services. I see no reason why the fire
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inspection services should be handled in
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a different manner. We certain they
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certainly are not reason to create
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full-time employees with the health
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care, vacation, sick pay, sick pay, and
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retirement expenses that go along with
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it. If you support my amendment, it will
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not be the end of this issue, but may
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facilitate a more open and honest debate
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than has occurred so far. Thank you.
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Any
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further discussion on the amendment to
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article 8
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street? Um
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I thought about this earlier and it was
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uh glad to had good up and spoke. I've
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always supported the fire department
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wholeheartedly. I think we've had a
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great group of men and women involved
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but I
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And and
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when I when the building was built and
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we tore down the old building, I
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remembered the whisper in my ear was,
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"If you build it, they will come.
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If you build it, they will come." What
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does that mean? It means what Ed's
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talking about. This thing is growing
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bigger than it should.
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And the volunteerism isn't as there as
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much as uh it used to be. But I think
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this is also a little bit of subtrafuge
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putting this in an article where it's almost impossible to see and did
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his homework and that's how we found it.
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So I'm going to support the amendment.
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>> Any further discussion on the amendment?
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I think um you should reject this
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amendment and discuss the value of the
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position. Um would love it if someone
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from the fire department could up could
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come up and speak to it. But Essex is
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not what it was 20 years ago. And I
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think expecting volunteers to
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address the needs that are of of um
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regulations and expecting those folks to have
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full-time jobs and to do this sort of
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regulatory compliance is not realistic
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and not fair um of volunteers. So, I
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would love for somebody from the fire
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department to come up and speak to this,
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but I would encourage you to vote
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against Mr. Neil's amendment,
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>> further discussion.
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» Good evening, Christian Hassel, Essex
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Fire Chief. So, I think Mr. Neil makes
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some good points. Uh, we do have strong
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volunteerism within the Essex Fire
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Department. It's been a point of pride
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for the town and the department for
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quite some time.
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This position is not to disrupt but more
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to enhance that volunteerism.
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We have regulations that have changed.
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We have OSHA NFPA standards that we need
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to abide by and it becomes more and more
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difficult to manage department of 49
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people at this time um and manage the
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needs of the town and manage the uh
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search uh inspection process as well.
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This person is not designed to be just a
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fire inspector. They are going to be a
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frontline responder as well as a fire
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inspector. We already staff the station
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seven days a week uh with two people who
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are call firefighters at this time. So
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offering this or in adding this position
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allows for consistency five days a week.
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When you're trying to manage a
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department and move it forward and meet
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different initiatives,
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it's very difficult to do it with two
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hours in the morning from say 6:00 to
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8:00 a.m. when I'm in the office. Um,
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regardless of how many fantastic people
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we have on the department, it is very
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important to have someone who can be a
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clearing house for us and actually get
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the work done 5 days a week and be
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consistent and have oversight, let alone
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the efficiencies that someone who's
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full-time in the department and having
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some oversight will add to the duty
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group in general. Um we want to make
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sure that we are the adequately trained
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if not overly adequately trained and uh
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be ready to go for any emergency. It has
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happened in the past that Essex has not
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been able to respond to a call because
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of a lack of manpower. It's not
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something we're proud of, but it is the
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reality. Over the last year, we've
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worked very hard to move away from that
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and we've done much better with it, but
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it it has happened in the past and we
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don't want that to happen again. We see
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this as a good step forward, a
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reasonable step forward to allow the
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fire department to remain cal for years
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to come. I consider myself a career call
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guy, meaning I want to be a call person
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the rest of my life. I don't necessarily
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want to be the chief the rest of my
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life, but we have uh you know, this
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person would be kind of a step forward
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in a secession plan to to still maintain
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the the department the way it operates
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now while um providing that support that
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we need. So, thank you.
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>> Any further discussion?
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So, no discuss. So, all those in favor
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of just the amendment to article 8,
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raise your card,
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opposed.
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The amendment does not pass.
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Back to article 8 as it is.
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Any any discussion on article 8?
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All those in favor of article 8, raise
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your card.
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All those opposed. Article passes. Back
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to article three.
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>> Just want to reconsider this to um close
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out procedurally this um article.
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» Oh, you didn't hear any of that.
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>> Hi, Alvin Garo. Um I'd like to
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reconsider this vote.
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>> It's a motion to reconsider.
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>> Motion to reconsider article eight.
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>> Article eight, please. The main motion.
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>> The main motion. Yeah.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Uh is there a second to that?
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Uh any discussion on reconsider? This is
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a twothirds vote. All those that want to
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reconsider article 8, please raise your
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card. All those opposed.
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The motion does not pass. I enough.
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Okay. Article three.
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>> I Ruth Pine move
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>> before we get so normally asked the
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finance committee if they support the
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financial articles. I think there's
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about 20 of them.
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>> So you've approved all. Yes.
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Jody Harris, Finance Committee. We
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recommend all of the financial articles
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to town meeting. We recommended the two
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override articles to be put before the
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taxpayers for their vote.
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» Okay. Article three.
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I, Ruth Pere, move that the town vote to
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raise and appropriate the sum of
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$268,722
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for the purpose of supplementing the
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town of Essex's fiscal year 2027
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operating budget, provided that the
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amount authorized herein shall be
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contingent upon the vote at the town
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election to assess additional real
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estate and personal property taxes in
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accordance with the provisions of
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Proposition 2 and a half so-called. Is
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there
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>> a second?
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discussion.
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» This evening, the town meet uh Ruth
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Pere, 15 Lufkin Street. This evening,
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the town meeting is being asked to
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consider and support a Proposition 2 and
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a half override in the amount of 268,722
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in additional real estate and personal
[20:34]
property taxes. These funds are intended
[20:37]
to supplement the Town of Essex's
[20:39]
operating budget for the fiscal year
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beginning July 1st, 2026. It's important
[20:44]
to note that the town of Essex has not
[20:46]
passed an operational override in more
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than 20 years. During that time, the
[20:50]
cost of nearly every essential expense,
[20:53]
utilities, goods, and services has risen
[20:56]
significantly. While residents have felt
[20:58]
the strain of these increases in their
[21:00]
daily lives, the town has similarly
[21:02]
faced rising costs in maintaining
[21:04]
services, compensating employees, and
[21:07]
meeting regulatory obligations. There's
[21:10]
been some misunderstanding regarding the
[21:11]
purpose of this override. It is not
[21:13]
solely driven by the fire department.
[21:16]
While fire services represent a
[21:18]
significant portion of the request,
[21:20]
multiple factors contribute to the
[21:22]
overall need. For example,
[21:25]
uh the town's health insurance costs
[21:27]
increased by 14.4%.
[21:30]
In recent decisions regarding employee
[21:31]
compensation, including adjustments for
[21:33]
the Department of Public Works and the
[21:35]
senior center staff, reflect the ne
[21:37]
necessity of retaining competitive
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um compet competitive in attracting and
[21:42]
retaining qualified personnel. Without
[21:44]
appropriate investment in our workforce,
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the town risks losing employees whose
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who have proven essential services to
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our community. With respect to the fire
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department, it's critical to understand
[21:56]
that this is not a new or sudden
[21:58]
request. The need for additional
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staffing has been raised multiple times
[22:02]
over several years. Former fire chief
[22:04]
Dan Dowset advocated for the addition of
[22:06]
a full-time position on more than one
[22:08]
occasion, including again in 2019. That
[22:11]
request was not approved. At the time, a
[22:14]
commitment was made by the board of
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selectmen that the next full-time public
[22:17]
safety hire would be for the fire
[22:19]
department. However, that commitment was
[22:21]
not fulfilled when a full-time police
[22:24]
officer was subsequently hired. Under
[22:26]
the leadership of the current fire chief
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Christian Hassel, appointed in 2025, the
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department has reaffirmed its commitment
[22:33]
to maintaining a call volunteer fire
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service model for as long as possible.
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The request before town meeting is not
[22:41]
to transition to a fully staffed
[22:43]
full-time department, but rather
[22:45]
represents a targeted and necessary
[22:47]
step. The addition of a single full-time
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firefighter EMT to provide day coverage
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when call member availability is often
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at it often limited. Recent
[22:57]
communications to residents have
[22:59]
suggested that this override represents
[23:01]
a move to a fully full-time fire
[23:03]
department. That characterization is
[23:05]
inaccurate. The department's 48 call
[23:08]
firefighters remain committed to
[23:10]
sustaining this model well into the
[23:11]
future. In fact, this request is
[23:14]
intended to help preserve that model by
[23:16]
addressing increasing operational
[23:17]
demands, including administrative
[23:20]
workload compliance with evolving
[23:21]
regulations and NFPA standards, training
[23:24]
requirements, and equipment maintenance.
[23:26]
It's also worth noting that the fire
[23:28]
department experienced a 12.49% 49%
[23:31]
budget reduction from $38,25
[23:35]
to $267,17,
[23:38]
which significantly al uh altered the
[23:41]
funding trajectory. Had the department's
[23:43]
budget followed the its historical
[23:45]
10-year growth trend, the projected
[23:47]
shortfall for fiscal 26 would have been
[23:50]
substantially smaller prior to recent
[23:52]
compensation adjustments. In summary,
[23:54]
this override is not new or or an
[23:56]
isolated request, nor is it driven by a
[23:59]
single department. It reflects the
[24:01]
combination of rising costs,
[24:02]
long-standing staffing needs, and the
[24:04]
town's responsibility to maintain
[24:06]
essential services. Supporting this
[24:08]
measure is an investment in the
[24:09]
sustainability, safety, and operational
[24:11]
stability of the town of Essex.
[24:14]
>> Ruth, I'm not sure I got a second
[24:15]
because you transferred right to So,
[24:18]
>> can we get a second on that?
[24:20]
>> Thank you. I'll take
[24:25]
Yeah, that's just my discussion.
[24:29]
» Okay. Any further discussion? I think
[24:31]
I'm gonna go here and then I'm gonna go
[24:32]
there.
[24:33]
>> Up there.
[24:35]
>> Since no one's seconded, should she read
[24:37]
again?
[24:37]
>> No, it's good.
[24:40]
>> All right. Good evening. Uh Christian
[24:42]
Hassel, Essex Fire Chief, in case
[24:43]
someone's walked in late. Uh I'm here
[24:46]
tonight because the demands of the Essex
[24:47]
Fire Department have dramatically have
[24:49]
changed dramatically. Uh we responded to
[24:51]
more than 600 incidents last year and
[24:54]
we're already on pace to match that this
[24:56]
year. But it's just not the it's not
[24:58]
just the volume, it's the complexity.
[25:00]
Modern fires, hazardous materials,
[25:04]
lithium-ion batteries, medical calls,
[25:09]
and the regulatory requirements we must
[25:11]
meet to keep our firefighters safe have
[25:13]
grown substantially. Our call department
[25:15]
is talented, committed, and the
[25:17]
foundation of how Essex provides fire
[25:19]
and EMS service. This proposal isn't
[25:22]
about replacing that model. It's about
[25:24]
preserving it. A full-time fire
[25:25]
prevention officer gives us the capacity
[25:28]
to train
[25:30]
and learn how to read.
[25:35]
Yeah. Or glasses. uh support and oversee
[25:40]
the work that today's standards require
[25:42]
while continuing to provide reliable
[25:44]
weekday response. This is a strategic
[25:47]
cost conscious step that strengthens the
[25:50]
call department, improves safety, and
[25:52]
ensures we can continue delivering the
[25:54]
level of service this community expects
[25:56]
and deserves.
[26:05]
Brian Grestler, 30 Ch Street. Uh, Mr.
[26:08]
Moderator, I rise in support of this
[26:10]
article, not because I'm a fan of
[26:13]
raising taxes, but because this override
[26:16]
is the logical next step in the
[26:18]
financial strategy town leadership has
[26:20]
chosen. That doesn't mean I support that
[26:22]
strategy or the way it's been
[26:24]
communicated, but the remedy for that is
[26:26]
not a no vote on this article. The
[26:28]
remedy for that is to change leadership.
[26:30]
As it rel as as it relates to this
[26:31]
article, we just need to move forward.
[26:33]
For a number of years, the town has
[26:35]
taken our austerity approach to the town
[26:37]
general budget, but austerity is a
[26:40]
short-term solution. Eventually, whether
[26:43]
we like it or not, the pendulum swims
[26:45]
swings back and bills come due. That
[26:49]
correction began last year when the town
[26:51]
general budget increased by 5.6%.
[26:54]
Uh this increase was largely obscured by
[26:56]
the way the school override was
[26:57]
structured and by the use of one-time
[27:00]
revenue. But at the c at the candidate
[27:02]
forum last year for board of selectmen,
[27:04]
I asked the then chair of the board how
[27:06]
we would continue paying for that
[27:07]
increase this year. And her answer that
[27:09]
was was that an override would likely be
[27:11]
needed. So when we combined years of
[27:13]
austerity, last year's approach and
[27:16]
continued uh corrections this year
[27:18]
contributing to an 8.1% increase, no one
[27:21]
should be surprised by this override.
[27:23]
Further, to date, corrections have
[27:24]
focused largely on public safety, which
[27:26]
I think most of us generally support.
[27:28]
That being said, there are still other
[27:30]
departments and services that have not
[27:31]
been addressed. Uh, with that in mind,
[27:34]
Mr. Moderator, and given that town
[27:35]
leadership has provided limited public
[27:38]
information compared to what many towns
[27:40]
provide when recommending an override,
[27:41]
whether on the town website, through
[27:43]
public forums, or through other
[27:44]
allowable means. I did have one question
[27:46]
for the uh board of the finance
[27:48]
committee.
[27:52]
Uh, if this override does not pass, how
[27:54]
does town leadership plan to account for
[27:56]
the $268,000 shortfall? Is the plan to
[27:59]
use reserves for one year or multiple
[28:01]
years to make cuts or some combination
[28:03]
of of both? If cuts are part of the
[28:06]
plan, what specifically will be cut?
[28:16]
» Jody Harris. Um so we that was actually
[28:20]
uh what our discussion was uh prior to
[28:22]
this meeting. I believe that at this
[28:25]
point we would look to uh make cuts
[28:28]
within the current budget. We would not
[28:30]
be looking to use one-time funds to fund
[28:33]
this budget as their operating costs. So
[28:36]
uh we would have to look back into the
[28:39]
fire budget and any other large budget
[28:41]
in town that would be discussed among
[28:44]
the finance committee and those
[28:46]
department heads.
[28:49]
Further discussion
[28:51]
up here anyone? Nothing. Okay. Ed Neil
[28:57]
15 Western. So what's happened here is
[29:00]
that we've got an override article in
[29:03]
front of us and the finance committee
[29:05]
tells us it's not about the fire
[29:06]
department. But the only department that
[29:08]
got up and talked about it is the fire
[29:11]
department. And
[29:14]
now we're told that well if the override
[29:17]
doesn't pass and the override almost
[29:21]
half of it is dedicated to this new
[29:23]
position of fire inspector
[29:26]
then they're not going to change their
[29:28]
mind about that. They're going to cut
[29:30]
the rest of the budget. So, by not
[29:33]
amending not agreeing to my amendment,
[29:36]
um, we're putting a hurt on the rest of
[29:39]
the town instead of getting a clear
[29:41]
decision about the override and the new
[29:44]
position on the fire department. It's
[29:46]
all being jumbled together and it's not
[29:48]
by accident. Thank you.
[29:50]
>> Further discussion on article three. All
[29:54]
those in favor of article three, raise
[29:55]
your card.
[29:58]
All those opposed.
[30:00]
The motion passes.
[30:03]
Article four.
[30:16]
» I, Michael Flynn, move that the town
[30:18]
vote to appropriate the sum of 10,59,998
[30:27]
as follows. A to raise by taxation the
[30:31]
sum of1,949,364
[30:38]
for debt repayment, principal, and
[30:41]
interest.
[30:42]
B. Transfer from the cemetery sale of
[30:46]
lots fund the sum of $6,800
[30:50]
to the cemetery budget. C. transfer from
[30:55]
the cemetery lot care fund the sum of
[30:58]
600 excuse me 6,575
[31:02]
to the cemetery budget. D transfer from
[31:06]
the cemetery perpetual care fund the sum
[31:09]
of $5,334
[31:12]
to the cemetery budget. E. Transfer from
[31:16]
the town technology fund the sum of
[31:20]
15,500
[31:22]
to the town IT budget.
[31:25]
F. Transfer from the ambulance fund the
[31:28]
sum of 75,000 to the ambulance budget.
[31:33]
G. Transfer from the septic betterment
[31:36]
fund the sum of $27,980
[31:40]
for debt.
[31:42]
H. transfer from the waterways fund the
[31:46]
sum of 58,479
[31:49]
to the harbor master budget.
[31:52]
I transfer from the wetlands fund to the
[31:55]
sum the sum of $3,500
[31:59]
to the conservation commission budget
[32:02]
and J to raise by taxation the sum of
[32:06]
$8,361,466
[32:11]
all in combination with the nonpropy tax
[32:15]
revenue sources noted on pages nine and
[32:18]
10 in the finance committee report to be
[32:22]
allocated between the salaries and
[32:24]
expenses of the town according to the
[32:27]
remaining budget items as indicated in
[32:30]
the finance committee report and to
[32:32]
authorize the finance committee to
[32:33]
permit budget line item transfers within
[32:37]
the department from salary line items to
[32:39]
salary lines
[32:41]
and from expense lines to expense lines.
[32:45]
That's a mouthful, but
[32:46]
>> hold on. Is there a second?
[32:49]
Uh this is the general budget short of
[32:51]
uh a school budget. Um it is something
[32:53]
we talk about every year. Um it is uh
[32:56]
something that uh is
[32:59]
about half of our our town budget.
[33:04]
Further discussion?
[33:06]
Seeing none. All those in favor of
[33:08]
article four, raise your card.
[33:11]
All those opposed. The motion passes.
[33:14]
Article f excuse me. Article six.
[33:22]
Could have got your mic.
[33:28]
» Thank you.
[33:31]
I, Kate Cotch Sunquist, move that the
[33:33]
town vote to raise and appropriate the
[33:35]
sum of 185,727
[33:40]
for the purpose of supplementing the
[33:42]
Manchester Essex Regional School
[33:43]
District's fiscal year 2027 assessment,
[33:46]
provided that the amount authorized
[33:48]
herein shall be contingent upon the vote
[33:50]
at the town election to assess
[33:52]
additional real estate and personal
[33:53]
property taxes in accordance with the
[33:56]
provisions of Proposition 2 and a half,
[33:58]
so-called.
[34:00]
disc any further discussion?
[34:06]
» Um, I'd like to thank the board of
[34:08]
selectmen and the finance committee for
[34:10]
your continued partnership and
[34:11]
collaboration this year. We are
[34:13]
particularly grateful to the board of
[34:15]
selectmen who for the first time in my
[34:17]
tenure took a majority affirmative vote
[34:19]
to endorse the district override. I also
[34:21]
want to thank the residents of Essex for
[34:23]
your ongoing support of our schools and
[34:25]
our students. The Manchester Essex
[34:27]
Regional School District continues to be
[34:29]
a place where students thrive
[34:31]
academically, socially, and emotionally.
[34:34]
We do not aim to compete with the top
[34:36]
private schools that surround our
[34:37]
community, but we do aim to provide the
[34:39]
best public education possible with the
[34:41]
resources available from both member
[34:43]
towns. I truly believe that we do an
[34:45]
amazing job of that thanks to the
[34:47]
strength of our staff and the shared
[34:49]
support of our communities, both
[34:50]
Manchester and Essex. The fiscical year
[34:53]
27 proposed budget is 33.7 million,
[34:56]
representing a 3.5%
[34:59]
increase over last year. This is a level
[35:01]
services budget that will maintain
[35:03]
current programming, staffing, and
[35:04]
student supports without adding any
[35:06]
bells and whistles or cutting any
[35:08]
necessities. As was the case last year,
[35:11]
approximately 80% of our budget is
[35:13]
dedicated to salaries and benefits.
[35:16]
costs in areas such as special
[35:18]
education, transportation, and employee
[35:20]
benefits continue to rise and are large
[35:22]
and are largely outside of the
[35:24]
district's direct control. For this
[35:26]
reason, and the reasons already outlined
[35:28]
by FINCOM member Ruth Pere, growth
[35:30]
exceeds the limitations of Prop 2 and a
[35:32]
half. Still, this year's budget reflects
[35:35]
a balanced, responsible use of
[35:37]
resources. The planned use of $600,000
[35:40]
in reserves as well as a measured
[35:42]
adjustment to our annual OPED
[35:43]
contribution reflects our thoughtful
[35:46]
leverage of financial tools within a
[35:47]
multi-year plan to reduce the burden on
[35:49]
taxpayers. This allows us to make
[35:52]
progress toward both our long-term
[35:53]
financial obligations and the priorities
[35:56]
outlined in our strategic plan. And of
[35:58]
course, looking ahead, we are excited to
[36:00]
continue our work on the Essex
[36:01]
Elementary building project. This
[36:03]
project will benefit all students in our
[36:05]
district, but especially those who live
[36:07]
here in our town. It will also benefit
[36:09]
all of us here tonight, not just by
[36:11]
reflecting a capital investment right
[36:12]
here where we gather, but also by
[36:15]
providing a community space for
[36:16]
recreation, a home for prek students in
[36:19]
our own town, and a meeting space,
[36:21]
which, dare I say, may even provide
[36:23]
better comfort and acoustics than those
[36:25]
we enjoy tonight under the hallowed
[36:28]
peaks of Mount Candoo.
[36:31]
The Essex Elementary building project
[36:33]
represents the final phase of a
[36:35]
multi-year capital improvement plan that
[36:37]
began with the middle high school. As a
[36:39]
regional district, our work depends on
[36:41]
the strength, commitment, and compromise
[36:42]
of both communities and the decisions we
[36:45]
make together. We remain committed to
[36:47]
maintaining a highquality educational
[36:49]
program while managing resources
[36:51]
responsibly and transparently. On behalf
[36:54]
of the school committee and the entire
[36:56]
Manchester Essex School Committee, thank
[36:57]
you for your continued support of our
[36:59]
schools and our students.
[37:08]
Further discussion? Seeing none, all
[37:11]
those in favor of article six, raise
[37:13]
your card.
[37:14]
Any opposed?
[37:16]
The motion passes. The this article and
[37:19]
the other override article will be
[37:20]
showing up on the ballot on Monday. Just
[37:22]
a reminder that it's two two-step
[37:24]
process in passing this. So, it's got to
[37:25]
pass here and it has to pass at the
[37:27]
ballot on Monday.
[37:30]
on the 11th Monday. Uh, article seven.
[37:37]
>> I, Kate Cotch Sunquist, move that the
[37:39]
town vote to raise and appropriate the
[37:40]
sum of 10,948,841
[37:45]
to fund a portion of the town's
[37:47]
assessment from the Manchester Essex
[37:48]
Regional School District, said some to
[37:50]
be calculated solely in accordance with
[37:52]
the agreement between the towns of Essex
[37:54]
and Manchester by the Sea,
[37:55]
Massachusetts, with respect to the
[37:57]
formation of a regional school district.
[37:59]
as most recently amended by invoking and
[38:02]
approving the provision found in
[38:03]
paragraph 4 of Massachusetts General
[38:05]
Laws chapter 71 section 16B allowing
[38:08]
district members to reallocate the sum
[38:10]
of their required local contributions to
[38:13]
the district in accordance with the
[38:14]
regional agreement for the fiscal year
[38:16]
beginning July 1st 2026
[38:22]
» discussion
[38:24]
>> no further discussion from me
[38:30]
Seeing none, all those in favor of
[38:31]
article 7, raise your card.
[38:34]
All those opposed. The motion passes.
[38:41]
Article nine.
[38:47]
» Sorry. Can I make a motion to reconsider
[38:50]
article three?
[38:52]
>> You can.
[38:53]
>> Yep. I, Brian Greser, move to reconsider
[38:56]
article three.
[38:59]
>> town override.
[39:00]
>> The town override.
[39:02]
>> Uh, is there a second to that motion for
[39:04]
amend?
[39:07]
>> Wouldn't do that one. We did the
[39:09]
>> discussion.
[39:11]
No discussion. All those in favor of
[39:13]
reconsidering article three, raise your
[39:15]
card.
[39:17]
>> All those opposed?
[39:20]
Motion does not pass to reconsider.
[39:22]
>> One more. I, Brian Grassler, move to
[39:25]
reconsider article six.
[39:27]
>> Is there a second?
[39:30]
Any discussion? Any discussion? That's
[39:33]
second. All those in favor of
[39:36]
reconsidering article uh six,
[39:40]
raise your card. All those opposed
[39:43]
reconsider does not pass.
[39:45]
>> Thank you.
[39:46]
>> Article nine.
[39:50]
I, Elvin Garero, Martin Street,
[39:54]
move to move that the town fix the
[39:57]
salary and compensation for each elected
[40:00]
official um officer of the town required
[40:03]
by the Massachusetts General Law,
[40:05]
Chapter 41, section 108 as amended for
[40:08]
fiscal year 2027
[40:11]
in accordance with the recommendation of
[40:13]
the personnel board report.
[40:15]
>> Is there a second?
[40:17]
>> Discussion. I have no discussion on
[40:20]
this. No changes.
[40:22]
>> Any further discussion? All those in
[40:24]
favor of article 9, raise your card.
[40:28]
>> Opposed? Motion passes. Article 10.
[40:39]
» I, Nick Ellis, move that article 10 be
[40:41]
indefinitely postponed. Is there a
[40:43]
second?
[40:45]
All those in favor of postponing article
[40:47]
10
[40:50]
opposed
[40:52]
passes. Article 11. I Nick Ellis v um
[40:56]
move that the town vote to appropriate
[40:57]
the sum of1,249,395
[41:03]
for the fiscal year 2027 sewer
[41:05]
enterprise fund budget as follows. debt
[41:08]
repayment, principal, and interest, the
[41:10]
sum of $129,54
[41:13]
to be raised by taxation, and funds to
[41:16]
be allocated between the salaries and
[41:18]
expenses of the sewer department,
[41:20]
1,119,891
[41:23]
from department receipts, all as
[41:25]
indicated in the finance committee
[41:26]
report, and to authorize the finance
[41:28]
committee to permit line budget line
[41:31]
item transfers within the sewer
[41:32]
department, from salary lines to salary
[41:34]
lines, and from expense lines to expense
[41:37]
lines.
[41:40]
This is to fund our sewer operating
[41:43]
budget.
[41:50]
» Any opposed? Motion passes. Article 12.
[41:55]
>> I, Nick Ellis, move that article 12 be
[41:57]
indefinitely postponed.
[41:59]
>> Is there a second?
[42:01]
>> All those in favor of postponing article
[42:02]
12, raise your card. Any opposed? Motion
[42:05]
passes to postpone. Article 13.
[42:09]
>> I Nelis move that the town vote to
[42:11]
appropriate the sum of1,51,84
[42:15]
the fisc year 2027 water enterprise fund
[42:18]
budget as follows. A debt repayment
[42:20]
principle and interest, the sum of
[42:22]
$81,289
[42:25]
from departmental receipts and the sum
[42:27]
of $34,839
[42:29]
to be raised by taxation. and B funds to
[42:32]
be allocated between the salaries and
[42:33]
expenses of the water department 934
[42:37]
$935,000
[42:39]
935,676
[42:43]
from department receipts all as
[42:44]
indicated in the finance committee
[42:45]
report and to authorize finance
[42:47]
committee to permit line item transfers
[42:50]
within the water department from salary
[42:52]
lines to salary lines and from expense
[42:54]
lines to expense lines. Second
[42:57]
>> discussion.
[43:01]
» This is to fund our water budget.
[43:05]
>> All those in favor of article 13, raise
[43:07]
your card. Opposed. Motion passes.
[43:11]
Article 14.
[43:17]
I, Lisa O'Donnell,
[43:19]
am here for one article tonight. move
[43:22]
that the town vote to amend the town
[43:23]
zoning bylaws 6-10.2.1
[43:27]
membership and organization as shown in
[43:29]
article 14 of the warrant. And in the
[43:32]
warrant you'll see there is one
[43:33]
boldfaced sentence that reads the
[43:35]
planning board shall designate and
[43:37]
recommend individuals for appointment as
[43:38]
associate members and such appointment
[43:40]
shall be made by majority vote of the
[43:43]
planning board and board of selectmen.
[43:44]
So this just establishes how those
[43:46]
associate members are appointed.
[43:48]
>> Is there a second? Any further
[43:51]
discussion?
[43:54]
» Further discussion? Yeah.
[43:56]
>> So, Lisa in the planning board, can you
[43:58]
explain the why an alternate is
[44:01]
something that you feel that is needed?
[44:03]
>> We already established the alternate um
[44:06]
last fall. as one of the articles that
[44:09]
passed. But um when a special permit
[44:13]
comes in front of the planning board, uh
[44:16]
if a member of the planning board is in
[44:18]
a butter or has a conflict or might be
[44:21]
going on vacation and miss one of the
[44:23]
meetings of the hearing, they can't sit
[44:25]
in that decision. Special permits
[44:27]
require supermajority. So we need five
[44:29]
or seven votes. So, what this would do
[44:31]
is it'll give the opportunity for the
[44:34]
planning board um to have a associate
[44:37]
member come in and fill the spot of a
[44:40]
planning board member who's unable to
[44:42]
sit. So, we already established that at
[44:44]
the last meeting, but what this does is
[44:47]
confirms how that um appointment is
[44:50]
made. So, people who are interested in
[44:52]
being an associate would be selected by
[44:53]
the planning board. planning board would
[44:55]
recommend that to themselves and the
[44:57]
selectman and the selectman and the
[44:59]
planning board jointly take a vote to
[45:01]
make those appointments which is um how
[45:04]
it's done for it's how how like if a
[45:07]
planning board member steps down that's
[45:08]
the exact same process we use to replace
[45:10]
a planning board member if we have to
[45:12]
fill a vacancy
[45:13]
>> any further discussion
[45:17]
uh this requires twothirds so all those
[45:19]
in favor of article 14 raise your card
[45:22]
opposed
[45:24]
Motion passes by 2/3.
[45:27]
Article 15.
[45:33]
I, Peter D. Fippen, move that the town
[45:35]
vote to amend the town bylaws be revi by
[45:38]
revising section 4-4A.4
[45:42]
as shown in article 15 of the warrant.
[45:44]
>> Is there a second?
[45:46]
>> Discussion. So, this is to bring the uh
[45:49]
moing permit bylaw um in line with the
[45:53]
uh regulations, which is to have the
[45:55]
mooring uh permits effective April 1st
[45:59]
to December 31st.
[46:06]
Any further discussion?
[46:09]
All those in favor of article 15, please
[46:11]
raise your card. All those opposed, the
[46:14]
motion passes.
[46:16]
Article 16.
[46:20]
» Me again. Okay. So, I Elvan Gaharero
[46:24]
move that the town vote to amend the
[46:26]
town bylaw by adding a new section 4- A
[46:30]
4-4A.
[46:32]
8 river use fee as shown in the article
[46:36]
16 of the warrant with addition um the
[46:39]
following changes. A to insert the word
[46:43]
motorized between
[46:46]
the word any and the word vessel in the
[46:50]
first sentence and B but this bylaw
[46:53]
shall become effective January 1st 2027
[46:58]
correct you said 26
[47:01]
>> 27 2027
[47:07]
» second
[47:09]
>> I did I marked
[47:11]
discussion.
[47:13]
>> I have sorry I have the chief here to um
[47:17]
respond. Um M uh also the harbor master.
[47:21]
>> Thank you.
[47:26]
» Good evening. Tom Shamshack, chief of
[47:27]
police and the harbor master. So I have
[47:30]
a little breakdown history. Essex had
[47:33]
established a waterway fund decades ago.
[47:35]
It is supposed to be funded by any and
[47:37]
all moing fees, user fees, 50% of excise
[47:41]
or other waterway generated revenue to
[47:43]
be able to fund the waterway services.
[47:47]
This account funds maintenance such as
[47:49]
replacing buoys or repairing boats,
[47:51]
infrastructure such as dock floats,
[47:54]
chains, ramps, and can cover salary
[47:56]
services to patrol all bodies of water
[47:58]
in a jurisdiction. When I took over July
[48:01]
1st of 2025, the budget had been cut
[48:03]
from just over 78,000 to 39,000.
[48:07]
Harbor and waterways need appropriate
[48:09]
funding. For example, last season, the
[48:12]
town float broke a mooring chain. The
[48:14]
chain alone was over $1,000. There was
[48:16]
only 500 appropriated to fund the entire
[48:19]
dock and float maintenance line for the
[48:20]
entire season.
[48:22]
Why is this user fee being explored?
[48:25]
Many municipalities use fees as a
[48:27]
funding source to help establish an
[48:29]
enterprise fund or as close to self-
[48:30]
sustaining as it can be to fund the
[48:32]
services that a waterway demands.
[48:35]
Over the last season, I have been asked
[48:37]
by the board of selectmen to explore
[48:39]
various other municipalities fees and
[48:41]
present them the findings so that they
[48:42]
could present an article on the warrant.
[48:45]
Who is paying fees?
[48:47]
Currently, the boers at a marina do not
[48:50]
pay fees. Essex is one of the only towns
[48:52]
that I could find that does not assess a
[48:54]
general waterway fee or user fee or some
[48:57]
other uniform fee to all users. Excise
[49:00]
is entirely different. It's set by the
[49:02]
state and only 50% of people that
[49:04]
actually pay it is deposited into the
[49:07]
fund.
[49:09]
The only people assess town of Essex
[49:11]
fees are moing holders, dinghyd do
[49:13]
slips, kayak slip renters, or
[49:15]
non-resident launch pass holders.
[49:18]
slip holders or seasonal private launch
[49:20]
members, whether resident or
[49:21]
non-resident, do not pay any user fee or
[49:24]
waterway fee to Essex. They may or may
[49:26]
not pay excise. The marinas sometimes do
[49:29]
or sometimes do not provide the list of
[49:31]
boats on slips for excise compliance.
[49:34]
Last July, we found numerous boats that
[49:36]
are habitually docked at some marinas
[49:37]
but are registered out of state or had
[49:40]
been unregistered or expired as far back
[49:41]
as 2007.
[49:43]
This will not trigger an excise bill.
[49:46]
Yet the boat is using the river and
[49:47]
waterways infrastructure and services.
[49:50]
The town is rightfully owed excise tax
[49:52]
if a boat is habitually morowed, docked,
[49:54]
stored, or used in the waters here.
[49:56]
Examples of other municipalities fees.
[49:59]
Beverly assesses fees to mored boats or
[50:02]
boats on marina slips at $7 a foot.
[50:05]
Salem assesses fees for moorings and
[50:08]
also slips at $7 a foot. Danvers
[50:11]
assesses fees for moorings and slips,
[50:13]
and the fees vary for resident or
[50:14]
non-resident. The town of Winthre
[50:17]
assesses a flat waterway fee to
[50:18]
residents of $250 and $300 for
[50:21]
non-residents for moorings and slips.
[50:24]
Salsbury assesses fees for all boats,
[50:26]
both moorings or slips, at $5 a foot.
[50:29]
Manchester assesses $1250 a foot for a
[50:31]
moing permit and also 1250 a foot for
[50:34]
slips. The article, the ask of this
[50:37]
article is not out of the ordinary.
[50:40]
These fees collected shall be deposited
[50:42]
into the waterway fund to be
[50:43]
appropriated for waterway needs. It
[50:45]
legally cannot be used for anything
[50:46]
else. That is the purpose of the fund
[50:49]
and it is funded by these types of user
[50:50]
fees. I have received questions such as,
[50:54]
I am retired and on a fixed income and
[50:55]
do not have a boat. Why should my taxes
[50:58]
to go up to buy new buoys or pay for
[50:59]
waterway patrols when I'm not out there?
[51:02]
The answer to this is to go for a user
[51:03]
fee funding source.
[51:06]
If we assess all users some type of fee
[51:08]
that goes into the waterway fund, the
[51:11]
ultimate goal is to minimize taxation.
[51:13]
We want to fund the waterway fees with
[51:15]
user fees. I have also been told that we
[51:17]
are unfairly targeting boers that choose
[51:19]
to get slips or valet or seasonal launch
[51:21]
passes at marinas. I've been told to
[51:23]
increase mooring fees on moing holders
[51:25]
and do not charge fees to slip holders.
[51:28]
After brief research, it would seem that
[51:30]
almost everywhere else is charging the
[51:32]
slip fees or marina fees. Manchester,
[51:34]
Salem, and Beverly pay the same fee for
[51:37]
slips and moorings. Salsbury charges
[51:40]
more than a mooring fee. Winthre play
[51:42]
pays a flat fee, resident status
[51:44]
dependent. Danvers pays less for a slip
[51:47]
or rack fee. Essex is asking for less of
[51:50]
a fee at $5 a foot compared to the $8 a
[51:53]
foot for moorings. How would this be
[51:55]
captured? Through DACA, issued the same
[51:58]
color sticker as everyone else in town
[52:00]
to be displayed in the same manner. I do
[52:02]
not expect this to be enforced by the
[52:03]
marina owners. This will be paid to the
[52:05]
town in Daqua, deposited into the
[52:07]
waterway fund, and we will mail them
[52:08]
stickers.
[52:12]
» Further discussion.
[52:17]
» Is it on? Betsy Ridge, Saganese Road, 22
[52:22]
Saganese Road. Um, I think that if this
[52:25]
is illuminating and I'm I'm glad you
[52:27]
discussed this. I think that the slip
[52:29]
fees make a lot of sense, but I'm
[52:32]
wondering about um extra taxes towards
[52:37]
Essex residents because I think there
[52:39]
are some people who in this town who
[52:42]
actually don't have to use slips or um
[52:48]
other means to get their kayaks out onto
[52:51]
the river. And this sounds like it would
[52:54]
apply to Essex residents. I think that
[52:57]
this is a great way of res raising
[53:00]
revenue from non-residents,
[53:02]
but I think that it should be applied to
[53:04]
slip owners and uh or renters and not to
[53:08]
the general. So, if you think that needs
[53:11]
an amendment, I would do that.
[53:15]
>> Mr. Mart, that was specifically amended
[53:16]
to include motorized vessels only, not
[53:18]
apply to kayaks.
[53:20]
>> Correct.
[53:21]
>> Further discussion. Scott, I think you
[53:23]
were up.
[53:25]
Yes. Scott Woodward, 25 Belture Street.
[53:28]
Um, I have a couple issues with this. I
[53:31]
do own Pike Marine. Uh, you have first
[53:33]
line is no person shall use or allow
[53:35]
another to use any vessel.
[53:38]
Who is the person that's going to use or
[53:40]
allow someone else not to use that
[53:42]
vessel? Who's going to enforce that to
[53:43]
say you can't use that vessel?
[53:47]
>> Is that a question for the
[53:48]
>> That's a for the chief.
[53:50]
>> Okay. That would be the same as if you
[53:52]
allowed somebody to use your your
[53:53]
vehicle that you you own. Hey, take my
[53:55]
vehicle for the weekend. Take my boat
[53:57]
for the weekend.
[53:58]
>> So, they're going to be liable for it,
[53:59]
not the marine owners or anyone else
[54:00]
that's on the dock.
[54:03]
>> Correct. It would not be the marine
[54:05]
owners would have nothing to do with
[54:06]
this. It would be purely a town of Essex
[54:09]
registration through DACA.
[54:10]
>> Okay. Next question. Um, you had do not
[54:14]
have moorings included in this. You did
[54:16]
raise your mooring rate this year from
[54:18]
what? $5 to $8 a foot. Now, if you take
[54:22]
this $5.50 a foot or $5 a foot off of
[54:26]
that and they're not paying this fee,
[54:28]
they're back down to three bucks a foot.
[54:30]
So, they're getting a deal.
[54:33]
That's a comment, not a question.
[54:36]
Okay. Why?
[54:42]
That's a question.
[54:44]
So, we're not taking it off the There
[54:47]
were exemptions. Some municipalities
[54:49]
charge everybody. Some don't. Some are
[54:52]
category specific. It it it varies, but
[54:55]
every municipality charges some type of
[54:58]
fee. We we were so far behind we thought
[55:00]
we were in the lead. That's the only way
[55:02]
I
[55:02]
>> I mean, I've gone through a lot of the
[55:04]
towns that have done this and a lot of
[55:06]
the towns charge dock and moing the user
[55:09]
fee.
[55:11]
>> Correct.
[55:12]
>> Both. Not just one, both of them. And
[55:14]
we're not charging a moing fee, a moing
[55:17]
user fee for the river.
[55:19]
>> Correct. Many municipalities have
[55:21]
different ways of doing it.
[55:23]
>> So now you're taking it to the people
[55:25]
that are trailering boats and the ones
[55:27]
that are on the docks and they have to
[55:29]
pay it. And the ones that are on
[55:30]
moorings that come from out of town
[55:32]
don't have to pay it and they're still
[55:34]
using our waterways.
[55:36]
>> That's a statement.
[55:39]
I'm I'm try honestly I'm trying to avoid
[55:41]
a conversation. Let me re let me uh fix
[55:43]
it. And they're still using our
[55:45]
waterways, right?
[55:48]
>> So, a prime example is somebody has a
[55:52]
slip, say at your marina.
[55:53]
>> Yep.
[55:53]
>> They live in Wakefield, Massachusetts,
[55:55]
but their boat is registered in New
[55:57]
Hampshire.
[55:58]
>> They're skirting excise. They're also
[56:00]
skirting town fees. Under Mass General
[56:02]
Laws, chapter 60B, section two, boat
[56:05]
owners must file
[56:08]
uh a return on or before August 1st to
[56:11]
the city or town where the vessel is
[56:12]
habitually morowed, docked, or
[56:14]
principally situated. That's law. That's
[56:17]
mass law. So, if it's on my dock, the
[56:19]
boat owner is respire responsible to do
[56:21]
this.
[56:25]
» Statement. The boat owner is responsible
[56:27]
to do this. Right.
[56:30]
>> Correct. Some municipalities and marinas
[56:34]
have cooperation, but we understand it
[56:35]
could put marina owners in a odd
[56:38]
position to demand compliance from their
[56:41]
uh customers. So, it would be enforced
[56:44]
as a harvest.
[56:45]
>> I mean, that's excise tax. I get that.
[56:47]
But who's going to enforce that?
[56:50]
>> Who's going to enforce which?
[56:52]
>> Collecting the excise tax on the boats
[56:53]
that are on the docks or even on the
[56:55]
moorings, sters, and everything else. So
[56:58]
when they register in DACA, it will
[57:00]
generate that this is their principal
[57:02]
place of mooring. It's on them to file
[57:05]
an abatement if they feel that they
[57:07]
don't.
[57:07]
>> There's there's the whole problem right
[57:09]
there. It's on them and they're not
[57:11]
going to do it.
[57:13]
>> Any further comments?
[57:16]
>> No, I think I got it. I think I made a
[57:19]
point.
[57:19]
>> Thank you. I'm not trying to limit the
[57:21]
discussion. I'm trying to limit a
[57:23]
conversation. Thank you.
[57:25]
>> That way. I think I'm gonna go with
[57:26]
Katie
[57:28]
>> Kate Cotch Sunquist 8 Dodge Street. Um I
[57:32]
move to amend the article.
[57:35]
I would like to add to section 4-48
[57:40]
dot so sorry 4-4A.8.2.
[57:45]
That section is the exceptions. I would
[57:47]
like to add vote operators below the age
[57:50]
of 18 and over the age of 65.
[57:54]
My reason for doing so is I think that
[57:57]
everybody should be able to access our
[57:58]
river. I think it is an amazing natural
[58:00]
resource. I personally have a
[58:02]
14-year-old who bought his boat with his
[58:04]
own money. He pays his taxes with his
[58:06]
own money. um which is not much, but
[58:09]
adding a you know 70s something dollars
[58:11]
onto that represents a significant
[58:14]
expense for him as I think it would for
[58:16]
people on a fixed income um or other
[58:19]
youth who are interested in getting um
[58:23]
out on the water which is a great thing.
[58:25]
>> Is there a second to that amendment
[58:28]
>> that and that was not charging less than
[58:30]
18 or over 65? Was that what that was?
[58:32]
>> Do you have that right?
[58:36]
Is there discussion on that amendment?
[58:39]
Not the main article, but the amendment
[58:40]
to limit the age below 18 and above 65.
[58:44]
Not qu
[58:48]
» question. How do we enforce operator
[58:50]
verse owner?
[58:55]
» Motion was operator, right?
[59:07]
The reason that I say operator and not
[59:09]
owner is because anybody who owns a
[59:12]
boat, um, if an adult owns a boat and
[59:16]
plans to be operating it themselves,
[59:18]
they will still need to have the sticker
[59:21]
or whatever it is affixed to their boat.
[59:24]
If the only person operating that boat
[59:26]
is 18 or below, you wouldn't have it on
[59:29]
your boat. But if I wanted to take my
[59:31]
son's boat out, I'm not skirting the
[59:33]
rule because I'm over 18. So I would
[59:36]
still need to have the sticker affixed
[59:38]
to his boat. If the only person
[59:40]
operating his boat is him, then he would
[59:42]
not need to pay that.
[59:45]
>> Any further discussion on the amendment?
[59:48]
>> You wouldn't be able to take the sticker
[59:49]
on or off?
[59:51]
>> No, I I understand. And I'm just saying
[59:53]
that what it would do would be allow my
[59:56]
son to take his boat out but not allow
[59:58]
me to take his boat out. If I want to go
[1:00:00]
out on the river, I'm paying to put the
[1:00:02]
sticker on my boat.
[1:00:05]
>> Further discussion. I think I'm going to
[1:00:06]
go over here. I think you were standing.
[1:00:08]
I didn't
[1:00:09]
>> Well, I'm sorry.
[1:00:11]
>> Any further discussion on the amendment?
[1:00:13]
>> Yes.
[1:00:14]
>> Okay.
[1:00:16]
>> Go ahead. Uh Steuart Pratt, 15 Tree
[1:00:19]
Hill, Essex, Mass. I don't think I'm in
[1:00:23]
favor of this amendment. I think it's
[1:00:25]
offering up an opportunity for people to
[1:00:28]
get around paying the fee because if you
[1:00:30]
have someone like myself is over the age
[1:00:33]
of 65 and has a son who is 45, I'll just
[1:00:37]
register the vote for myself
[1:00:38]
theoretically and he can use it. But I
[1:00:41]
think the least amount of problems we
[1:00:44]
give to the chief and making sure this
[1:00:46]
works for the town which needs the
[1:00:47]
income the better. So I would say I'm
[1:00:49]
against this. Any further discussion on
[1:00:52]
the amendment?
[1:00:53]
>> So, it's not who the boat is registered
[1:00:55]
to. It is who is operating the boat.
[1:00:58]
>> That's your motion. Yes.
[1:00:59]
>> Yes. So, then you couldn't register the
[1:01:02]
boat under your older parents name and
[1:01:05]
skirt the rule if you plan to operate
[1:01:07]
the boat yourself.
[1:01:08]
>> If the operator is pulled over, he's
[1:01:10]
probably going to pay the fee if he
[1:01:11]
doesn't have a sticker,
[1:01:12]
>> right?
[1:01:13]
>> Or if he's under 18.
[1:01:17]
» Any further discussion on the amendment?
[1:01:27]
Hello. Okay. Um, what if someone under
[1:01:30]
18 is on the boat with someone over 18
[1:01:35]
and I'm riding my boat down the river
[1:01:37]
and I see the harbor master and I go,
[1:01:38]
"Oh, drive."
[1:01:42]
>> To be clear, I'm not the harbor master.
[1:01:43]
>> No, no,
[1:01:44]
>> I see him. He's He's behind you.
[1:01:47]
>> That's easy, right? Because if you use
[1:01:49]
that boat sometimes, you're going to
[1:01:51]
have a sticker on it anyway because
[1:01:53]
you're over 18. If the only time you
[1:01:55]
ever use that boat is with somebody who
[1:01:57]
is below the age of 18, then you
[1:02:00]
wouldn't have the sticker.
[1:02:04]
» Any further discussion on the amendment?
[1:02:08]
We have someone Gilly
[1:02:12]
>> Gil Frerieden 104 John Weisav. I would
[1:02:15]
be it sounds like this amendment will
[1:02:19]
probably
[1:02:20]
not help almost anyone but on the
[1:02:24]
because there's going to be my mom is 82
[1:02:26]
but if she registered my boat and I
[1:02:28]
wanted to drive it we'd buy the sticker
[1:02:30]
anyways so it doesn't matter but there
[1:02:34]
will be a very few exceptions to this
[1:02:38]
rule that will be able to benefit for it
[1:02:41]
and as someone who loves the senior
[1:02:44]
center and loves all the people that go
[1:02:47]
there. I say we pass this amendment.
[1:02:50]
It's going to be very seldom used, but
[1:02:52]
it's going it but it may benefit a
[1:02:55]
couple of seniors and a couple of 14y
[1:02:57]
olds, and that's what we're here for.
[1:03:04]
Further discussion on the amendment.
[1:03:08]
Seeing none, all those in favor of
[1:03:09]
amending article 16 to add the age
[1:03:11]
limit, raise your card. Oppo
[1:03:15]
opposed.
[1:03:23]
Can we do that again? All those in favor
[1:03:26]
of amending article 16, raise your card.
[1:03:33]
All those opposed.
[1:03:36]
>> Going to need the towers. Thanks.
[1:03:42]
I hate
[1:03:44]
that.
[1:03:47]
>> So soon as we get the towers up here.
[1:04:11]
So,
[1:04:14]
can we keep it down a bit so we can get
[1:04:16]
organized and get this over with?
[1:04:20]
>> How many How many
[1:04:39]
So, I'm gonna they're gonna have to walk
[1:04:41]
and count. So, if you could raise your
[1:04:44]
card if you are in favor of amending
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article 60.
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Hold them up because they've got to
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count
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through that. should be up there.
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>> That should be up there.
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» I I'm I'm reading your amendment. I'm
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going to rule it out of scope. There's
[1:05:18]
too many changes to it. People
[1:05:22]
that looked at the original article are
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going to say, "Well, I I had known
[1:05:25]
something else was going to be on there
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and there's enough change and they
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didn't come." That's not fair. So, I'm
[1:05:30]
going to rule it out of scope.
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It's what?
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>> It's not Well, I have to make it fair
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for everyone that either was here or not
[1:05:41]
here because they read the article and
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that amendment changes it too much.
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» I understand, but it it changes too much
[1:05:50]
of the original article.
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Keep your cards up.
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donating your car.
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Still a yay vote for the amendment. Keep
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your card up.
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» What? Done. Okay. So, now we need all
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those voting no on the amendment raise
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your card, please.
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This is the You're holding your card for
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the no vote on the amendment.
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I'm sorry.
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No, it isn't.
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I suggested he postpone this whole thing
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and have a public forum on it.
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>> I'm hoping he may still. He still has a
[1:08:50]
chance to do that.
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Keep your cards up so they can see them.
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Correct.
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» 21. 22. We need 22 for another.
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>> Correct.
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>> 40 60
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89
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19.
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We need 19 for
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you. Good.
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Oh, so the only number you don't have is
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this one.
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>> Yes,
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>> it's going to fit.
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>> By a lot. I didn't think it was that
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close. I don't know.
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system.
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>> I'm not getting
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» I'm staying in my lane. Yeah.
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Okay, everybody can get back to back to
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order here. Uh the the vote to amend
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failed 91 to 115. So now we'll move on
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to the main article
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16. Further discussion on article 16.
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Ed,
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>> I just wanted to touch on one thing that
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hasn't that's kind of been glossed over.
[1:12:02]
>> The boat excise tax, 50% of it's being
[1:12:04]
taken by the town. It's spent on the
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general fund.
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>> That's all.
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>> Jim,
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>> uh Jim Lewiki, Belter Street, uh just
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clarification on the scope of uh
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applicability. So uh will all the
[1:12:20]
clammers who launch in Essex have to pay
[1:12:22]
the fee? And how does it apply to the
[1:12:25]
commercial operations like uh Essex
[1:12:28]
River Cruises and to say the ship
[1:12:31]
building museum who may launch vessels
[1:12:34]
uh randomly at any time?
[1:12:36]
>> Correct. So un unless there's some um
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tax exemption based on a status that you
[1:12:41]
file, everybody would have to pay this a
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onetime seasonal fee.
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Ted Ted Marshall Pickering Street and
[1:12:50]
the owner of Agawan Boat and Fishing
[1:12:51]
Charters here in town. I've been in the
[1:12:52]
marine industry now for something like
[1:12:54]
45 years and I'm very familiar with
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Marblehead, Beverly, Salem, Danvers and
[1:12:59]
how they do their permits. We are the
[1:13:01]
only town, as he says, that does not
[1:13:03]
collect a fee on all the boats in their
[1:13:06]
territory. Uh, so I'm not against it
[1:13:08]
totally. It sounds to me a this Dqua
[1:13:11]
thing uh for my mooring is royal pain in
[1:13:14]
the butt for one. It just means they
[1:13:17]
don't have to do it and they send it to
[1:13:18]
DACA and I don't know what do charges
[1:13:20]
the town but they send me weekly emails
[1:13:23]
of all kinds of crap that I don't
[1:13:25]
appreciate. Uh I don't understand why we
[1:13:29]
have never collected fees on boats at
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the marinas. That makes absolutely no
[1:13:33]
sense to me if they were using our
[1:13:34]
waterway. It sounds like a uh
[1:13:37]
enforcement headache. Uh Maximus,
[1:13:40]
with our river, with all the boats that
[1:13:42]
come in here to go to the beach and up
[1:13:44]
river to the restaurants and everything
[1:13:45]
else, how are you going to tell who's an
[1:13:47]
Nessex resident or not? If you're out in
[1:13:48]
the patrol boat, you don't see a sticker
[1:13:50]
on the back of the boat because they're
[1:13:51]
from Newport or wherever else. You're
[1:13:53]
going to stop every boat coming up and
[1:13:54]
down the river. I mean, it's, you know,
[1:13:57]
kind of a crazy thing. So, if you get
[1:13:59]
every boat that's habitually here in
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Essex and you charge them the same fee
[1:14:03]
as a mooring fee, I pay my mooring fee
[1:14:06]
happily. I also have a dock. Does that
[1:14:08]
mean I'm going to have to pay moing fee
[1:14:09]
and a dock fee on top of my dock rental?
[1:14:14]
I mean, there's a lot of funny stuff.
[1:14:17]
I've read everything that was promoted
[1:14:18]
in the paper and in this stuff and it
[1:14:20]
doesn't make a great deal of sense. It's
[1:14:22]
too overly complicated.
[1:14:25]
>> Was there a question in there?
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Okay. I just want to make sure you
[1:14:30]
didn't miss the question. I'm gonna go
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here first.
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>> That
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» I don't I don't understand the question.
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>> Yep.
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>> Correct.
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» I believe yes. The moing fee is
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different than this fee.
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We're No, that's Betsy McKeen, 35 Linham
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Point Road. So, I want to clarify
[1:15:03]
something that a earlier presenter said
[1:15:05]
that I found confusing after reading the
[1:15:09]
article. So, I'm an Essex resident. I
[1:15:12]
have a moing, happily, as this other
[1:15:14]
gentleman does, pay my moing fee every
[1:15:15]
year. As I read this article,
[1:15:19]
I would continue to pay my moing fee for
[1:15:21]
$8 a foot.
[1:15:22]
>> Correct? I would not pay anything
[1:15:24]
different from that because it's an
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exemption
[1:15:27]
from the river user fee. So, someone
[1:15:29]
else had mentioned $8 minus $5, $3, but
[1:15:33]
no, I still pay my $8 a foot moing fee.
[1:15:36]
Correct.
[1:15:37]
>> Correct. That is correct.
[1:15:38]
>> Thank you.
[1:15:46]
» Everyone here? All right.
[1:15:51]
Let me know if you can't hear this.
[1:15:53]
Okay,
[1:15:53]
>> we just need your name.
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>> My name is Jack Gail, 105 Pawn Street.
[1:16:00]
Uh, in Massachusetts, the public has a
[1:16:03]
constitutional right to fish, fowl, and
[1:16:06]
navigate in the intertital zone. That
[1:16:09]
means between high and low tide. These
[1:16:12]
rights are reserved by the colonial
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ordinances of 1641 to 1647.
[1:16:20]
In every coastal state, the use of
[1:16:22]
tidelands tidelands is governed by a
[1:16:25]
concept in property law known as the
[1:16:27]
public trust doctrine, which dates back
[1:16:30]
centuries to Roman law. The doctrine
[1:16:33]
states that all rights in tide lands and
[1:16:36]
the water itself are held by the state
[1:16:39]
in trust for the benefit of the public.
[1:16:43]
Over
[1:16:46]
the years, Massachusetts courts have
[1:16:49]
ruled that the scope of activities on
[1:16:52]
private tide land uh on um tidelands
[1:16:56]
covered by the reserved public rights of
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fishing, fouling and navigation is broad
[1:17:02]
and includes all of their natural
[1:17:04]
derivatives, including for example, the
[1:17:08]
right to navigate includes the right to
[1:17:10]
conduct any activity involving the
[1:17:13]
movement movement of a boat, vessel,
[1:17:15]
float, or other watercraft as well as
[1:17:18]
the transport of people and materials
[1:17:20]
and relating to loading and unloading
[1:17:23]
activity.
[1:17:31]
While it is legal for a town to charge
[1:17:33]
fees for the use of its coastal
[1:17:35]
waterways for services like moorings,
[1:17:38]
docking, and in some cases using
[1:17:40]
municipal boat ramps,
[1:17:43]
such fees must generally be reasonable
[1:17:45]
and used to cover the expenses of
[1:17:47]
maintaining the waterways and deposited
[1:17:50]
into special accounts.
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Essex does that.
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Yes, running a town is expensive. We
[1:18:03]
always need more.
[1:18:06]
But must every single thing in town be
[1:18:09]
taxed? Are road use fees next in Essex?
[1:18:14]
What about parking meters?
[1:18:17]
Perhaps we could consider instead
[1:18:19]
spending less.
[1:18:22]
Maybe even do without in some
[1:18:24]
situations.
[1:18:28]
It's really no wonder sometimes that
[1:18:30]
overrides get voted down.
[1:18:33]
Unless the town is looking for a legal
[1:18:35]
challenge, we shouldn't waste any more
[1:18:37]
time on this article and promptly vote
[1:18:39]
it down.
[1:18:42]
Peter Peter Faro Rocky Hill Road.
[1:18:51]
Well, thank God we're talking about
[1:18:52]
taking care of the Essex River once and
[1:18:54]
for all.
[1:18:56]
We need money to do it. Chief Shamshack
[1:18:59]
and I have met about an Essex Water
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Waste Commission and really determine
[1:19:03]
how to establish the funding. We need a
[1:19:05]
boat waste management act. We have to
[1:19:07]
determine who's using our town landings.
[1:19:10]
I know there's 17 of them. I've
[1:19:12]
identified 10 of them. There's a lot of
[1:19:14]
things we need to do and I think the
[1:19:16]
marina owners have to commit to
[1:19:18]
providing the information so we can
[1:19:20]
collect the excise tax. And I do believe
[1:19:23]
there should be a water use tax.
[1:19:26]
However, I think we need to tap the
[1:19:28]
brakes on it, come back in the fall in
[1:19:30]
an organized manner and determine who's
[1:19:33]
going to get the user fee, who isn't,
[1:19:35]
and at what level. I think the um the
[1:19:39]
application of it and the enforcability
[1:19:41]
of it as we're proposing it right now,
[1:19:43]
it's going to be complicated. I mean,
[1:19:45]
you're going to stop boats at low tide.
[1:19:48]
We've got to determine a lot more. I'm
[1:19:50]
in agreement, chief. We need to get this
[1:19:52]
done and we need to find all the ways to
[1:19:55]
generate some revenue so that we can
[1:19:57]
take care of the Essex River once and
[1:19:59]
for all. Thank you for your time.
[1:20:02]
>> Any further discussion?
[1:20:05]
Yeah. Nick Royal, Six Winthre Street. Um
[1:20:08]
I agree with the last speaker. I would
[1:20:10]
like to see though some guard rails put
[1:20:12]
around this. Um fees have a nasty habit
[1:20:14]
of going up and up and up and I would
[1:20:17]
like to see if possible that town
[1:20:20]
meeting gets to to decide when a fee
[1:20:23]
goes up and also that it gets sunset say
[1:20:26]
after five years unless town meeting um
[1:20:29]
comes around and says look we can
[1:20:31]
continue this in in principle I'm I'm in
[1:20:33]
favor of this um and I'm happy to put an
[1:20:36]
amendment which I've written down just
[1:20:38]
to those two points because I know you
[1:20:39]
ruled my other thing out of out of Move
[1:20:41]
it. Any further discussion?
[1:20:46]
No discussion. All those in favor of
[1:20:48]
article 16, raise your card.
[1:20:53]
All those opposed.
[1:21:01]
Let's try that again. All those in
[1:21:02]
favor.
[1:21:09]
All those opposed.
[1:21:12]
Can't call it. We're going to need the
[1:21:13]
tellers.
[1:21:25]
» Sorry guys.
[1:21:29]
» I know. I can't go one side or the
[1:21:30]
other.
[1:21:36]
» I just start
[1:21:39]
and he's usually. There he is over the
[1:21:41]
Oh, yeah. As a when I was in a sweat
[1:21:44]
constantly,
[1:21:47]
okay, he was really pretty good.
[1:21:55]
Everyone, everyone in favor of article
[1:21:57]
16, raise your card, please.
[1:22:01]
>> And keep them up so they can see them.
[1:22:34]
Jeffrey.
[1:22:34]
>> Yes.
[1:22:36]
What's that?
[1:22:38]
>> I'm already calling for the vote. I
[1:22:41]
can't once I call for a vote, I can't
[1:22:42]
put an amendment in.
[1:22:46]
>> You did not. You said you would like to
[1:22:48]
see that when it came up.
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104.
[1:23:13]
>> Okay, we're good. All those
[1:23:16]
not in favor of article 16, please raise
[1:23:18]
your card.
[1:23:31]
Keep your cards up.
[1:23:55]
26 - 104
[1:24:02]
» perhaps
[1:24:11]
you guys there. You can put your cards
[1:24:25]
on the last.
[1:24:40]
Unless there were people that didn't
[1:24:41]
vote on the amendment. That's what I'm
[1:24:47]
» guess
[1:24:50]
could be.
[1:25:15]
So the only no real one is Apple Street
[1:25:18]
connection.
[1:25:34]
you in the middle can put theirs down.
[1:25:37]
Stay up over here.
[1:26:04]
Okay, we're all good.
[1:26:17]
» They go,
[1:26:19]
>> we need the Carla. We need your number.
[1:26:40]
» So the motion passes 104 to 97.
[1:26:51]
Article 17.
[1:26:52]
>> Excuse me.
[1:26:53]
>> Can I Can I um Kate Crows from 45 Apple
[1:26:58]
Street, can I motion to discuss article
[1:27:00]
22?
[1:27:01]
>> You want You want to move article 22 in
[1:27:03]
front of 17?
[1:27:04]
>> Yes.
[1:27:04]
>> Is that a motion?
[1:27:05]
>> It's a motion.
[1:27:06]
>> Is there a second?
[1:27:08]
>> All those in favor of moving article 22
[1:27:11]
in front of 17, raise your card.
[1:27:15]
>> Any opposed?
[1:27:17]
We're going to move to 22.
[1:27:28]
» Nick, can we keep the conversation down,
[1:27:30]
please?
[1:27:34]
I, Nick Ellis, move that the town vote
[1:27:36]
to transfer from free cash the sum of
[1:27:39]
$75,000 to design and construct a road
[1:27:42]
from Apple Street to the town's DPW
[1:27:45]
facility over the town owned parcel
[1:27:47]
known as 30 Apple Street, including but
[1:27:50]
not limited to site and wetland surveys,
[1:27:53]
equipment rental materials, and anything
[1:27:55]
incidental there too. Is there a second
[1:27:59]
>> discussion?
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I suspect there will be. Um there's a
[1:28:04]
few things that I'd like to say quickly.
[1:28:08]
Um I was surprised to find a letter in
[1:28:10]
my mailbox about this uh article. Um as
[1:28:13]
we had had several discussions at the
[1:28:16]
board of public works meetings uh and
[1:28:18]
nobody came to talk to us about it. Um I
[1:28:21]
was a little surprised by some of the
[1:28:22]
assertions in the letter uh specifically
[1:28:25]
that there is no urgency for us to do
[1:28:27]
this. Um, I will note that we have
[1:28:29]
evaluated the bridge on Landing Road.
[1:28:31]
Uh, folks who have driven over the
[1:28:33]
bridge at Landing Road can tell that
[1:28:35]
it's got a big hump on it and that's
[1:28:36]
because the subbase is eroding from
[1:28:38]
underneath of it and it needs to be
[1:28:39]
fixed. Um, even today we heard from the
[1:28:42]
bridge evaluator that work is going to
[1:28:44]
need to be done in the next 1 to 5
[1:28:45]
years. So, it is somewhat urgent. Um, in
[1:28:49]
the letter it also noted that we could
[1:28:51]
just drive across the field as it is
[1:28:54]
now. Um, I don't suspect that our fuel
[1:28:58]
delivery trucks or our dumpster removal
[1:29:00]
trucks or our fire trucks or our
[1:29:02]
ambulances,
[1:29:04]
um, or folks who bring trash to the dump
[1:29:06]
in their Subaru are going to drive
[1:29:08]
across the field as it is. Um,
[1:29:14]
there's a note saying that the DPW has
[1:29:16]
said we could just move the road. I'm
[1:29:17]
not sure exactly what that's referring
[1:29:18]
to because I didn't say that. Um, I
[1:29:21]
don't believe Mandy said that. Um, our
[1:29:24]
intent is to build this road and leave
[1:29:26]
it in place until such time as the
[1:29:28]
actual use of the property becomes
[1:29:30]
clear. Uh, to my knowledge there is no
[1:29:32]
conversation with the exception of the
[1:29:34]
original evaluation for a new school
[1:29:35]
there about what we're going to do with
[1:29:37]
the property. So, I expect that that
[1:29:39]
road will be there for quite some time.
[1:29:41]
Um, as it relates to the hedge row,
[1:29:44]
which is a quote rich wildlife habitat,
[1:29:48]
um, we have no plans to remove the
[1:29:50]
bushes along the edge of the property.
[1:29:52]
we're going to build the road next to
[1:29:54]
it. Um,
[1:29:57]
what I think probably makes me the most
[1:29:59]
concerned about the contents of this
[1:30:01]
letter is related to the RAP and the
[1:30:04]
accusations in this letter about RAP and
[1:30:06]
why the DPW is proposing to use RAP on
[1:30:09]
this road. Um, we are not trying to get
[1:30:11]
ourselves out of trouble as the letter
[1:30:14]
states. Um, we did not tell anybody to
[1:30:16]
put RAP down at Centennial Grove. In
[1:30:19]
fact, we don't control Centennial Grove.
[1:30:21]
That's the perview of the select board.
[1:30:22]
Uh with the exception of the water
[1:30:24]
treatment plant inside the fence uh and
[1:30:26]
the well well number three which is on
[1:30:30]
Lake um and the well protection district
[1:30:33]
uh we have no control over what happens
[1:30:35]
at at Centennial Grove. Uh in fact we
[1:30:39]
noticed that the wrap was being placed
[1:30:40]
and insisted that it stop being placed.
[1:30:43]
U not only did it not stop being placed,
[1:30:45]
more rap was brought there and was
[1:30:46]
continued to be placed and compacted.
[1:30:49]
Um, we insisted that it be removed, uh,
[1:30:52]
not because it is toxic, which is
[1:30:54]
another assertion that the letter made,
[1:30:56]
uh, but because it creates a imperous
[1:30:59]
surface in our wellhead recharge area,
[1:31:01]
so we don't get water down into the
[1:31:03]
groundwater and it affects our ability
[1:31:04]
to pump water out of the well. Um, so
[1:31:07]
this idea that wrap is toxic, wrap is
[1:31:10]
just pavement, ground up. There's some
[1:31:12]
right outside that door if you want to
[1:31:14]
go look at it. Um, it's not the cleanest
[1:31:17]
stuff in the world. you shouldn't
[1:31:18]
probably eat it. But um you know, Mass D
[1:31:22]
has no rules. It says you can't put wrap
[1:31:24]
in wetland areas or wetland buffer
[1:31:26]
areas. Um it doesn't specifically say
[1:31:29]
that you can't store wrap in a wellhead
[1:31:31]
protection area. What it says is that
[1:31:32]
you can't install and compact wrap
[1:31:34]
because again it makes an impervious
[1:31:36]
area. So um I would encourage folks to
[1:31:38]
vote for this road. Uh the last point
[1:31:40]
I'll make is that when the town chose to
[1:31:43]
purchase this property, one of the main
[1:31:45]
reasons we noted for purchasing it was
[1:31:47]
to provide us with an alternative route
[1:31:49]
to get to the transfer station in the
[1:31:52]
DPW yard. Um
[1:31:55]
Apple Street is a public right of way.
[1:31:58]
Uh it is one of only two ways to get
[1:31:59]
from south of the river to the north of
[1:32:01]
the river. And it's one of only two way
[1:32:04]
um one of only two ways that we have to
[1:32:07]
get um to our DPW to our fuel station to
[1:32:11]
our transfer station. So thank you.
[1:32:14]
>> Further discussion Lisa
[1:32:17]
>> Lisa O'Donnell um Island Road. Um I want
[1:32:20]
to emphasize some of what Nick said
[1:32:22]
about the culvert um in landing road.
[1:32:25]
I've noticed it getting worse over a
[1:32:27]
couple of years and um I was out there.
[1:32:30]
I'm a structural engineer by trade. I
[1:32:32]
was out there with the um engineer who
[1:32:35]
evaluated for the town and it does have
[1:32:37]
issues. It is going to need to be
[1:32:39]
repaired and when it gets repaired, the
[1:32:41]
whole road's going to have to be closed.
[1:32:43]
In addition, as Nick mentioned, we
[1:32:45]
bought the property for um at Apple
[1:32:49]
Street and one of the main reasons was
[1:32:52]
how it is strategically located to
[1:32:54]
provide that access from Apple Street to
[1:32:56]
the transfer station, which gives us
[1:32:57]
another access to that important piece
[1:32:59]
of property. Um
[1:33:03]
I have in my hand a motion that would um
[1:33:07]
amend the article to preclude the use of
[1:33:09]
the wrap, the recycled asphalt pavement.
[1:33:12]
Um, I'm not going to read it yet. If
[1:33:15]
this article goes down, I'm going to get
[1:33:17]
up and ask to reconsider the article and
[1:33:19]
then limit it to not having the wrap.
[1:33:22]
will make it cost
[1:33:23]
more. So, I'm going to let the article
[1:33:25]
go. People can decide what they want to
[1:33:27]
do about it. If the article goes down,
[1:33:29]
we need this road. So, I will get up and
[1:33:31]
ask to reconsider it and ask to not use
[1:33:34]
rap.
[1:33:35]
>> Ruth Pin, 15 Lufkin Street. So, two
[1:33:39]
points. Uh, number one, I just want to
[1:33:41]
read a quote from John Phyious. I was on
[1:33:44]
the board of public works and Mike
[1:33:46]
Galley received permission from the
[1:33:47]
board to accept it. So, while Nick Ellis
[1:33:50]
may not have been on the board, the
[1:33:51]
superintendent did receive permission
[1:33:53]
from the board of public works to accept
[1:33:54]
it. Just for clarity, the second thing
[1:33:57]
is to Lisa O'Donnell's point, um, the
[1:33:59]
recycled asphalt material. I I want
[1:34:02]
everyone in the room to understand, I do
[1:34:03]
attend the meetings and I do understand
[1:34:05]
the cost of this wrap. So, it is at
[1:34:07]
Centennial Grove. We know it. We want it
[1:34:09]
gone. What the DPW is considering is
[1:34:12]
actually to hire dump trucks, big
[1:34:15]
10-heel dump trucks, to load it into the
[1:34:17]
dump truck and haul it over to Miles
[1:34:19]
River in Ipsswitch. Miles River is
[1:34:21]
willing to take it for free, but you
[1:34:23]
taxpayers will be paying those trucking
[1:34:25]
charges to haul it away. So, the
[1:34:27]
recommendation was, why don't we bring
[1:34:29]
it to Apple Street because we're putting
[1:34:30]
a road there anyway. The road is going
[1:34:32]
in. We can save money by using the wrap
[1:34:36]
as part of this road construction. So
[1:34:38]
you don't have to use the wrap if you
[1:34:40]
don't want to. But if you don't use it,
[1:34:42]
you are purchasing additional material
[1:34:44]
for that road. So this is going to cost
[1:34:46]
you one way or the other, but you
[1:34:48]
already have the material that can just
[1:34:49]
be used at this point.
[1:34:52]
>> Can I address a statement made there?
[1:34:53]
>> Sure. Um, when we talk about permission
[1:34:56]
to store wrap at Centennial Grove, there
[1:35:00]
was a paving project that happened on
[1:35:02]
Route 22 in Essex
[1:35:05]
wherein it was requested that we store
[1:35:08]
wrap at Centennial Grove. That wrap was
[1:35:11]
stored in a pile. Then, when we were
[1:35:13]
done installing the pads for the
[1:35:15]
recycling bins at the transfer station,
[1:35:18]
we brought that wrap over to the
[1:35:20]
transfer station and flattened the land
[1:35:21]
around it. That was the permission that
[1:35:24]
Mike was given. Any further discussion
[1:35:27]
on article 22?
[1:35:33]
» Hold on. You got to wait for this
[1:35:34]
person, right?
[1:35:37]
>> Janet Carlson, 24 Apple Street. Rap is
[1:35:42]
known to contain heavy metals like lead
[1:35:44]
and cadmium and a carcinogen referred to
[1:35:47]
as PH.
[1:35:49]
These can be released by runoff waters
[1:35:52]
and end up in groundwater and rivers.
[1:35:55]
These are very toxic to fish and other
[1:35:58]
aquatic animals and they can leech into
[1:36:00]
soils.
[1:36:02]
It has been said in various meetings
[1:36:04]
that the DP doesn't consider rap
[1:36:07]
hazardous.
[1:36:09]
The science actually says that it is.
[1:36:13]
Um, the DP can't actually classify RAP
[1:36:16]
as toxic because it would be a legal
[1:36:19]
nightmare and practical impossibility to
[1:36:22]
address it. This does not mean it's an
[1:36:25]
acceptable or safe material. Testing has
[1:36:28]
shown it's toxic, but it would bankrupt
[1:36:31]
towns and cities to officially consider
[1:36:34]
RAP hazardous. Given this, we don't want
[1:36:37]
it on that farmland.
[1:36:42]
It's quite a contradiction to hear that
[1:36:46]
we have to move it from Centennial Grove
[1:36:49]
um too close to our town wells, the
[1:36:53]
water supply, but let's put it on this
[1:36:56]
clean soil, this untainted soil very
[1:36:58]
close to the river. Thank you.
[1:37:01]
>> Any further discussion?
[1:37:05]
» Sure. Dan Mayor to Liberty Road. So, I
[1:37:09]
guess I'm the one who's kind of taking a
[1:37:10]
lot of heat for this, but it was always
[1:37:12]
communicated. I'm not looking to move
[1:37:14]
rap. It was something the parking lot
[1:37:16]
down there to improve it. We brought it
[1:37:18]
in there from town paving projects said
[1:37:21]
something about coming from a Hamilton
[1:37:22]
construction site. Whoever wrote that
[1:37:24]
foolish letter, you can contact me
[1:37:27]
directly. I'll bring you to where it
[1:37:29]
came from. There was no construction
[1:37:31]
site but but the wraps there was always
[1:37:33]
communicated
[1:37:35]
with my galley because I would never do
[1:37:36]
anything
[1:37:38]
you without speaking to my galley or
[1:37:40]
meetings down there with the select
[1:37:41]
board walking the whole site what we
[1:37:43]
intended on doing it was all brought in
[1:37:46]
laser graded compacted it was very nice
[1:37:49]
now and there was a pile there for years
[1:37:52]
like we can go back I'll you know Google
[1:37:54]
photos of when the pile was there but
[1:37:56]
there'd always been a pile there because
[1:37:57]
not the pile that was brought there and
[1:37:58]
then you moved it No, that was the
[1:38:00]
original pile that we spread. So, no
[1:38:03]
problem. I said it went in there at the
[1:38:04]
speed of volunteers. It will come out at
[1:38:06]
the speed of volunteers or it'll get
[1:38:10]
paid, you know, to be removed the way you want to do it. But, but
[1:38:13]
anyway, just in defense, but, you know,
[1:38:16]
obviously done a lot down there
[1:38:18]
improving the site. Even you can come
[1:38:22]
down tomorrow night as we continue to
[1:38:24]
put the roof on the bathous and anything
[1:38:26]
else that goes on down there that we're
[1:38:28]
happy to help with. But it's unfortunate
[1:38:30]
that this whole thing is, you know,
[1:38:32]
spiraled. But it was always
[1:38:33]
communicated. I'm sorry if you came
[1:38:35]
later in the discussion. I never got
[1:38:37]
word, you know, to stop it if there was
[1:38:39]
a stop and something still came in. I
[1:38:43]
was unaware. There was one night when
[1:38:45]
they were paving and stuff came in
[1:38:47]
unaccounted for from a paving project,
[1:38:49]
but even still, it was already well on
[1:38:51]
its way. So, I apologize.
[1:38:56]
Whatever. I'm not calling anybody out.
[1:38:58]
and uh tried to stay quiet about the
[1:39:00]
whole thing, but uh yeah, I guess it
[1:39:02]
falls on me. Cheers.
[1:39:05]
Over here,
[1:39:06]
>> Tracea Whitman at Lufkin Street. I just
[1:39:08]
have a clarifying question. Um is the It
[1:39:11]
just says design and construct a road.
[1:39:13]
Is the intent of this road to be access
[1:39:16]
emergency access only while the main
[1:39:20]
access to um the transfer station is
[1:39:24]
functional and operational or is this
[1:39:26]
intended to be a public cut through from
[1:39:28]
the start?
[1:39:30]
>> Uh I wouldn't say emergency access only.
[1:39:33]
I would say it would be more accurate to
[1:39:34]
say it's temporary access. So when we
[1:39:37]
have an ongoing bridge project
[1:39:40]
uh in order to get trucks, trailers,
[1:39:43]
people in and out of the site, we would
[1:39:45]
use that road.
[1:39:47]
>> May I ask a follow question? Y
[1:39:49]
>> So would it be open to the public from
[1:39:52]
the start though to be able to use
[1:39:53]
>> that? That is not the intent. No.
[1:39:55]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:39:56]
>> Go here.
[1:39:58]
>> Southern A.
[1:40:00]
>> Say it again.
[1:40:01]
>> 82 Southern A. Um, I'm sorry if this was
[1:40:03]
already addressed and I didn't hear it,
[1:40:05]
but assuming the road is a foregone
[1:40:07]
conclusion and that is happening. I
[1:40:08]
assume there are alternatives
[1:40:11]
that I'm trying to understand what why
[1:40:14]
this instead of something else. Is it
[1:40:16]
just cost savings? Um, because there
[1:40:19]
must be alternatives to this
[1:40:22]
>> controversial material.
[1:40:23]
>> Yeah. Um well, so I've never seen rap as
[1:40:27]
controversial until literally a week
[1:40:28]
ago. But um
[1:40:31]
>> near a water source though,
[1:40:34]
>> again, imperousness is the issue.
[1:40:36]
Anyway, you could do it with gravel.
[1:40:39]
Yes. Um gravel is likely to require more
[1:40:42]
maintenance over time and frankly it'll
[1:40:43]
have to be replaced more frequently. So
[1:40:46]
it'll cost more upfront and then it'll
[1:40:48]
cost more in the long term for you to I
[1:40:49]
do.
[1:40:49]
>> Thank you. Yep.
[1:40:54]
» Jack Gale, 105 Pawn Street.
[1:40:58]
Uh, at that town meeting when the voters
[1:41:00]
decided to buy 30 Apple Street, yes,
[1:41:03]
some people spoke in need for an
[1:41:05]
emergency or secondary or temporary
[1:41:09]
access road to the DPW, citing the
[1:41:12]
eventual need to replace the C or remove
[1:41:16]
the Culver. Um,
[1:41:20]
others clearly didn't want the field to
[1:41:23]
turn into a proposed nine-house
[1:41:26]
development.
[1:41:27]
Still others wanted it to remain as open
[1:41:30]
agricultural land.
[1:41:33]
I fell into that last group of voters,
[1:41:35]
but felt that if it were necessary to
[1:41:37]
build a road across the field, that
[1:41:40]
would be better than building a road and
[1:41:42]
nine houses on it. I suspect that many
[1:41:46]
others agreed. Well, we have as a town
[1:41:49]
have not yet decided what to do with the
[1:41:52]
field and I'm concerned that any
[1:41:54]
decisions as to what to do on the field
[1:41:56]
should be made in the correct order.
[1:42:00]
Now, here's my opinion as to why this
[1:42:02]
article is in front of us now.
[1:42:07]
Um, somehow they're contradictory
[1:42:09]
reports here this evening, but a large
[1:42:12]
amount of the wrap material was moved to
[1:42:14]
Centennial Grove for for use there
[1:42:18]
um with or without oversight.
[1:42:22]
There were concerns about this and it
[1:42:25]
was determined by the water department
[1:42:27]
that this material should not be in the
[1:42:29]
vicinity of the town wells or as our
[1:42:32]
town administrator worded it out of an
[1:42:35]
abundance of caution.
[1:42:37]
It was decided not to use it at the
[1:42:39]
grove. So at this point there was a
[1:42:42]
large amount of wrap to be dealt with
[1:42:44]
somehow.
[1:42:46]
Then an alternate plan was developed to
[1:42:48]
quickly move and stockpile the material
[1:42:51]
to the field at 30 Apple Street for
[1:42:53]
future road in building the road the DPW
[1:42:56]
has been advocating for.
[1:43:00]
Citizens became concerned about the wrap
[1:43:02]
near our town wells and aware of the
[1:43:04]
plan to use the road across the field.
[1:43:10]
So here we are. There are so many things
[1:43:13]
wrong with this picture. First of all,
[1:43:16]
Essex deserves a more thoughtful
[1:43:18]
approach to her issues than this.
[1:43:21]
If and when a road is to be built on
[1:43:23]
townland, we the voters deserve a
[1:43:26]
sensible plan to build the road, showing
[1:43:30]
where it's to be built, specifying what
[1:43:33]
materials are to be used with limits as
[1:43:36]
to its width and with limits on how it
[1:43:39]
is to be used. when we know where it
[1:43:42]
should be built based on the eventual
[1:43:44]
use of the field.
[1:43:47]
Not a cart blanch for the DPW to do
[1:43:49]
whatever it wants.
[1:43:51]
In my opinion, the article in this form
[1:43:54]
should be voted down.
[1:43:57]
As for the assessment of the so-called
[1:43:59]
bridge, which is clearly not a bridge,
[1:44:01]
but a culvert, but you can call it
[1:44:03]
whatever you want. Yes, it the road will
[1:44:08]
need some work at some point in the
[1:44:09]
future. And um yes, a limitary a limited
[1:44:13]
secondary access road to the DPW will be
[1:44:17]
important at that time. I examine the
[1:44:21]
culvert and the concrete foundation
[1:44:23]
supporting it and it appears to be in
[1:44:25]
amazingly good condition.
[1:44:32]
I was not here in the first part uh of
[1:44:35]
the meeting, but I gather that um that
[1:44:39]
that's what the engineers assessment
[1:44:41]
said. Not that it's in amazingly good
[1:44:43]
condition, but that it's not uh going to
[1:44:46]
fall down immediately.
[1:44:48]
Uh I personally wouldn't lose any sleep
[1:44:50]
over that.
[1:44:52]
Landing road at the culvert does show
[1:44:54]
some depression and in my opinion, this
[1:44:56]
is not the result of any weakness in the
[1:44:58]
culvert.
[1:45:00]
I disagree with the previous assertion
[1:45:02]
that a hurricane could take out Landing
[1:45:04]
Road or the Culver or or disagree that
[1:45:08]
and disagree that landing road floods as
[1:45:10]
had been claimed by the town
[1:45:12]
administrator. The nearest neighbor was
[1:45:14]
consulted and backs this up. This has
[1:45:17]
never been a there's never been a
[1:45:18]
significant storm surge there. It's well
[1:45:21]
back in a protected corner of the marsh.
[1:45:27]
This shouldn't be a battle.
[1:45:29]
The voters who decided to buy 30 Apple
[1:45:32]
Street should be able to come together
[1:45:33]
for their common goals. Why not plan a
[1:45:37]
modestsized environmentally friendly
[1:45:40]
truly secondary road
[1:45:41]
>> 30 seconds
[1:45:43]
>> that's limited in use to only when
[1:45:45]
landing road is impassible and also
[1:45:47]
preserving the habitat as much as
[1:45:48]
possible. If we avoid rushing into this
[1:45:51]
until we have a better idea of how we'll
[1:45:53]
be using the rest of the land, so much
[1:45:55]
the better and we won't risk having to
[1:45:57]
rebuild or duplicate the road in the
[1:46:00]
future. Thank you.
[1:46:06]
» Brandon.
[1:46:11]
» Yes. Point of order.
[1:46:12]
>> Yeah.
[1:46:13]
>> Um I never said that landing road floods
[1:46:15]
at any time. He may be confused with the
[1:46:19]
Apple Street project at the other end of
[1:46:21]
the street where in fact that part of
[1:46:23]
the road does flood and did flood. Last
[1:46:26]
time it would happened was in 2018, but
[1:46:28]
I have never claimed that Landing Road
[1:46:31]
floods. Thank you. I
[1:46:33]
>> think Jody, you were next.
[1:46:36]
» Jody Harris. Um, I just want to uh
[1:46:40]
clarify that not only uh if we do not
[1:46:44]
use the wrap for the um Apple Street
[1:46:47]
project, which as you see in your
[1:46:50]
handout, we tell you exactly where the
[1:46:52]
lo the road will be going over 30 Apple
[1:46:54]
Street, but we will need to bear the
[1:46:58]
cost of removing the wrap even though
[1:47:01]
they're taking it for free. But what
[1:47:04]
wasn't mentioned is the cost that we'll incur to actually bring materials
[1:47:09]
in to build the road. So, we're going to
[1:47:13]
be literally paying coming and going for
[1:47:17]
a road that um today an email from uh
[1:47:22]
the engineering firm who is evaluating
[1:47:25]
this whatever you want to call it bridge
[1:47:28]
culvert says that we will need to plan
[1:47:31]
on repairs within the short term of two
[1:47:34]
to four years. So, it's a necessity. Our
[1:47:37]
DPW facility is there. All of our
[1:47:40]
equipment is there. Our fuel station is
[1:47:43]
there. Our transfer station is there.
[1:47:46]
You all are going to need to get to go
[1:47:48]
to the transfer station. Our fire
[1:47:51]
trucks, our police vehicles, and all of
[1:47:54]
our DPW trucks that are housed there.
[1:47:57]
They're all going there for fuel. So, it
[1:47:59]
is critical that we get this road
[1:48:02]
implemented. And it's really a matter of
[1:48:04]
how much you want to pay for the road.
[1:48:07]
Do you want to pay with materials that
[1:48:10]
have been approved for that type of use
[1:48:13]
as an impervious surface or do you want
[1:48:15]
to pay coming and going for a road that
[1:48:18]
we're going to have to build from
[1:48:19]
scratch
[1:48:24]
Dave Landry 73 stories
[1:48:27]
there's been a lot of discussion on wrap
[1:48:30]
and I think there was an amendment to
[1:48:31]
decide whether we should go forward with
[1:48:33]
that. Why don't we get that one out of
[1:48:34]
the way because that's a critical issue
[1:48:36]
right here.
[1:48:36]
>> Would you like to make an amendment?
[1:48:38]
>> Make an a I think there's one on the
[1:48:39]
table there. Someone said they're going
[1:48:41]
to bring an amendment before.
[1:48:42]
>> There's not one yet.
[1:48:44]
>> Can't hear you.
[1:48:45]
>> There could be, but there isn't one yet.
[1:48:46]
>> I thought one of the selectman said
[1:48:48]
there was, but go ahead. I'll make a mo
[1:48:50]
a motion to uh decide whether wrap could
[1:48:52]
be used as a composite for this road.
[1:48:56]
>> Is I'll need that in writing. We have
[1:48:58]
paper up here. I believe we can.
[1:49:00]
>> Yes or no on that one.
[1:49:01]
>> Or do you want to use yours? Excuse
[1:49:07]
me.
[1:49:09]
>> Because this sounds like a question, not
[1:49:11]
a statement. So,
[1:49:12]
>> no, I think you wanted to eliminate wrap
[1:49:13]
being used in the
[1:49:14]
>> So, it would be specifically using
[1:49:16]
gravel, correct?
[1:49:18]
>> Because we should be specific. We're not
[1:49:19]
going to pave the road.
[1:49:21]
>> He said wrap.
[1:49:22]
>> What's that?
[1:49:29]
Is there a second to the amendment that
[1:49:31]
says we we'd like to remove wrap from
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the project?
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>> Well, eliminate the use of
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Is there a second?
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» When I have it, I'll read it.
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Be good to know the price difference,
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wouldn't it?
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So the amendment is going to read a
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motion to eliminate the use of wrap of the new access road for the transfer
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station.
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Yes. Is there a second to that?
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Any further discussion on the amendment?
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>> Can I on the amendment, not the article?
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>> Yeah, I mean I think it's on the
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amendment. My question is, do we have a figure of price the price difference
[1:50:44]
between a gravel road and a wrap road?
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Because I think if we're voting not to
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use wrap, we should also know what the
[1:50:50]
price tag or the delta would be between
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the two.
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>> We we do um the cost delta including
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paying for gravel delivered and also
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removing uh the wrap is in the order of
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25 to30,000 additional dollars for the
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road.
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discussion on the amendment, not the
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article. The amendment to remove rap
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from muse
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over here.
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Paul Trimby, 56 Apple Street. Um,
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putting on an article to or putting on
[1:51:26]
an amendment to remove wrap. Is the
[1:51:28]
option gravel wrap or fresh pavement?
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» That's a good question. So fresh
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pavement would have more runoff, more
[1:51:38]
toxicity than any wrap would. So if
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there was to be an amendment, it should
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probably end up being that it'd be a
[1:51:44]
gravel road instead of a paved road or
[1:51:46]
wrap road if that was the concern.
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>> Got to work on this amendment first.
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>> Yep. Just adding that for everyone's
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consideration.
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>> Discussion on the amendment.
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>> Go ahead.
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>> Jack Gale, 105 Pond Street. Um,
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I find it hard to believe that we would
[1:52:02]
really resist paying an amount like
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$30,000 to avoid a potential
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um health risk. This has been pretty
[1:52:13]
well established and uh if anybody reads
[1:52:16]
the Essics issues page uh there was um
[1:52:20]
an extensive link posted on that um
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about uh scientific studies and and the
[1:52:28]
results having to do with the toxins and
[1:52:31]
wrap. Uh it seems like a small price to
[1:52:34]
pay to do this properly. I I hope you'll
[1:52:38]
um approve this amendment.
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Further discussion on the amendment.
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» Yes, maybe we should consider no wrap on
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anywhere in Essex, nobody's driveway,
[1:53:00]
and then survey people's driveways who
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have wrap, even if they paved over it.
[1:53:08]
No wrap in Essex. It sounds like because
[1:53:10]
if you want to put wrap on a temporary
[1:53:12]
road that you' maybe you'd put filter
[1:53:14]
fabric down because when you do a
[1:53:16]
temporary road and we we make temporary
[1:53:18]
roads all the time, you scrape out the
[1:53:21]
organic matter down to gravel. You put
[1:53:24]
some fabric down. You put gravel or you
[1:53:26]
can put wrap or some kind of material.
[1:53:27]
And if it's a temporary road, you pick
[1:53:29]
it up. If you put you spend all the
[1:53:31]
money on a nice road, I thinking we're
[1:53:33]
going to just sell this property to a
[1:53:34]
developer with a road already intact
[1:53:37]
with an easement going over it that
[1:53:38]
we'll always have access, but maybe a
[1:53:40]
firegate at one end, but still we'll be
[1:53:42]
able to use that road when we need to in
[1:53:45]
the future because not bridges don't
[1:53:46]
last forever. But uh maybe just add to
[1:53:49]
it that no wrap in Essex. You do that
[1:53:51]
and I'll take all that rap out of there
[1:53:53]
on my back. I'll I'll make it all go
[1:53:55]
away. But I would like to see no rap in
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Essics after this because this is kind
[1:54:00]
of insane.
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» Further discussion on the amendment to
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re
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I've got one more one more com two more
[1:54:09]
comments and we'll move it. You can't
[1:54:12]
and I'm just so you know I'm not going
[1:54:13]
to have someone from the audience yell
[1:54:15]
move the question. You have to be up at
[1:54:16]
a mic to make that motion.
[1:54:19]
>> Go ahead.
[1:54:20]
>> Jared Strong 17 School Street.
[1:54:24]
We can debate the use of wrap for a
[1:54:26]
variety of reasons. I just think it's
[1:54:28]
important to the discussion that
[1:54:30]
recycled asphalt is the most recycled
[1:54:33]
product in the country. Over 90% of
[1:54:36]
asphalt is recycled and reused
[1:54:38]
throughout the nation. Reduce, reuse,
[1:54:41]
recycle.
[1:54:49]
» Stacy Capitas, 15 Apple Street. I just
[1:54:52]
have a question. If this is a temporary
[1:54:54]
road, um, and we'd have to decide
[1:54:57]
between a wrap or gravel road or
[1:55:00]
pavement, is one,
[1:55:03]
uh, easier, cheaper to remove?
[1:55:06]
>> It's not a temporary road. It is a road
[1:55:09]
for temporary access while we're working
[1:55:10]
on the bridge or if there's another
[1:55:12]
reason that we cannot get down Landing
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Road to
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the transfer station.
[1:55:18]
>> Will it be gated when it's not? Okay,
[1:55:22]
>> good question. Thank you.
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» Over here.
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>> Hello.
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>> Um Dan Ducet, John Weise Avenue. I move
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the question
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>> the amendment
[1:55:37]
>> on the amendment.
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>> Is there a second?
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>> Second.
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>> All those in favor of terminating debate
[1:55:45]
on the amendment
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>> and the amendment to article 22, which
[1:55:48]
would remove the wrap from the use of
[1:55:50]
this Apple Street Road. Raise your card.
[1:55:57]
» Terminating debate on that app. Yes.
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>> Any opposed?
[1:56:04]
>> We have terminated debate.
[1:56:07]
>> Now, we're going to still stay on the
[1:56:09]
amendment and we need to vote on the
[1:56:10]
amendment.
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All those in favor of amending article
[1:56:16]
the amendment to article 22 which is
[1:56:19]
removing the wrap from the street on 30
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Apple Street. That's what we're doing.
[1:56:24]
This is on the amendment, not the
[1:56:25]
article. All those in favor
[1:56:28]
of the amendment, raise your card.
[1:56:34]
All those opposed.
[1:56:38]
The motion fails.
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back to art article 22 main article I
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believe you you were up first
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Mike Mike Dyer Indian Rock Lane uh first
[1:56:53]
of all I want to uh agree wholeheartedly
[1:56:56]
with Jack Gail's point about the lack of
[1:57:00]
land use planning for this piece of land
[1:57:02]
that the town got a couple years ago. it seems pretty foolish to go ahead in
[1:57:07]
peacemeal fashion
[1:57:09]
before we really know what the app what
[1:57:11]
the ultimate use of the land will be.
[1:57:16]
Secondly, as far as the use of wrap
[1:57:17]
goes, um I'm no expert. There does seem
[1:57:22]
to be there do seem to be contrary
[1:57:25]
indications in the in the literature
[1:57:26]
about whether it's toxic or not, whether
[1:57:28]
there are uh whether there's leech that
[1:57:31]
can come out of it. Sounds like there
[1:57:33]
could be um I guess that not all wrap is
[1:57:38]
created or exists equally. I'm wondering
[1:57:41]
if it's possible to assayate the stuff
[1:57:45]
and and see what the quality of the
[1:57:47]
stuff is that we have if there's any way
[1:57:50]
to measure the risk. That would be a
[1:57:51]
question for uh DPW, I guess. Um, and
[1:57:56]
the final point about the need for the
[1:57:58]
road, the the only need that I can see
[1:58:01]
that's really been articulated is that
[1:58:03]
we will need the road at the point when
[1:58:05]
the bridge is to be repaired or the
[1:58:07]
culvert is to be repaired. My guess is
[1:58:10]
that that wouldn't be taking place for
[1:58:13]
three, four, five years from now. I
[1:58:15]
don't see why we need to put this road
[1:58:17]
in at this point. I'm against this.
[1:58:20]
>> Point of order.
[1:58:23]
just responding. Um, as was read by the
[1:58:26]
chair of the finance committee, the
[1:58:28]
engineers that are currently looking at
[1:58:29]
all three town owned bridges are
[1:58:31]
indicating that it's somewhere on a
[1:58:33]
continuum between one year and four
[1:58:35]
years from now. I also wanted to point
[1:58:37]
out that if and when a repair is
[1:58:39]
designed and then cost estimated, you
[1:58:42]
might find that the cost of repairing
[1:58:45]
the bridge/culvert
[1:58:48]
is so much more than just having the
[1:58:51]
simple road. You may not ever even want
[1:58:54]
to repair it. I don't know because we
[1:58:56]
don't have the information yet. Just
[1:58:58]
please keep in your mind that we have no
[1:59:00]
idea what the repair, even if it is
[1:59:02]
termed repair, will cost. Things are
[1:59:05]
very expensive.
[1:59:08]
>> Hi. Um I'm Jen Hulki. Um my husband and
[1:59:11]
I live on Land Farm Road. We are direct
[1:59:14]
a butter of the road being proposed. I
[1:59:16]
guess I'm just wondering if there's any
[1:59:18]
conversation about potential screenage
[1:59:20]
for the people that are impacted since
[1:59:23]
obviously this road would directly
[1:59:25]
affect in a positive way everyone else
[1:59:27]
in the town. Just wondering if there's
[1:59:29]
any conversation about how that might be
[1:59:31]
rectified for the people who are
[1:59:33]
negatively implicated by it.
[1:59:36]
>> Answer your question.
[1:59:37]
>> Um we have not considered that. Um we
[1:59:40]
recently started speaking about this
[1:59:42]
road. We can certainly look at what the
[1:59:44]
view is from where the road winds up to
[1:59:46]
your home. Um you could look at putting
[1:59:49]
screenings in just keeping in mind that
[1:59:51]
large mature trees cost money so it's
[1:59:54]
going to increase the price of the
[1:59:56]
project.
[1:59:56]
>> Yeah. and and we I guess this is my
[1:59:59]
first town hall meeting so apologize if
[2:00:01]
this is not the right forum to ask but
[2:00:03]
um we have taken it upon ourselves to
[2:00:06]
incur some of that expense but I guess
[2:00:08]
if it's a benefit to the entire town
[2:00:11]
that hurts most specifically a couple
[2:00:14]
people I guess I'm wondering if that
[2:00:15]
would be something that people would be
[2:00:16]
open to discussing
[2:00:19]
>> and if that's not this is not the forum
[2:00:21]
for that please let me know. Yeah, I I I guess I would say it's probably not.
[2:00:25]
Um I would say, you know, we have a DPW
[2:00:27]
meeting every two weeks. The public is
[2:00:29]
welcome to come. Our agenda goes out
[2:00:32]
before we have the DPW meeting. So if
[2:00:34]
there's something on there like a road
[2:00:36]
through 30 Apple Street that you'd like
[2:00:37]
to discuss with us, you can come talk to
[2:00:40]
us about it and we can talk about things
[2:00:42]
like trees and using gravel and you know
[2:00:44]
>> well and if if it's a if it's a town
[2:00:47]
decision because of the cost implication
[2:00:49]
then would that be the place for it
[2:00:50]
though or would this be the place to
[2:00:51]
talk about it?
[2:00:52]
>> It would at the DPW meeting would be the
[2:00:55]
place?
[2:00:55]
>> Okay.
[2:00:56]
>> Yes.
[2:00:56]
>> All right. Thank you.
[2:00:59]
>> Go ahead over here.
[2:01:01]
>> Um Mr. moderator, I move um to amend the
[2:01:04]
main motion
[2:01:06]
further. I have two amendments and I
[2:01:08]
propose to offer them sequentially.
[2:01:11]
>> I'm going to do one at a time.
[2:01:14]
>> Okay. The um
[2:01:16]
the first amendment would add specifics
[2:01:19]
as to use and the language would be
[2:01:23]
added around the word road. In the
[2:01:26]
second line, we would add the words
[2:01:28]
secondary access before the word road
[2:01:31]
and the words gated at both ends after
[2:01:35]
the word road. And further after the
[2:01:39]
words 30 Apple Street, we would add the
[2:01:42]
words for use only when landing road is
[2:01:45]
closed.
[2:01:47]
Um the leng sorry that's in writing.
[2:01:56]
So that
[2:02:08]
the amendment is adding for use only
[2:02:09]
when landing road is closed including
[2:02:11]
but not limited to site and wetland
[2:02:13]
surveys. Is that correct? Uh, no. It's
[2:02:16]
the uppercase language. Um, that
[2:02:21]
>> Okay.
[2:02:21]
>> said secondary access.
[2:02:23]
>> Yep.
[2:02:24]
>> Before the word road and gated at
[2:02:26]
>> So, it's adding secondary access in
[2:02:28]
front of road. So, secondary access road
[2:02:30]
gated at both ends is added
[2:02:32]
>> and then landing road is only used when
[2:02:35]
landing road is closed. That's the
[2:02:37]
>> Mr. Moderator.
[2:02:40]
» Sorry. Point of order. It's the concern
[2:02:44]
is what if this ends up being the access
[2:02:46]
road because landing road is no longer
[2:02:49]
accessible. We don't know. I don't want
[2:02:51]
to make the assumption that that's
[2:02:53]
what's going to happen. However, I'm a
[2:02:55]
little bit concerned about changing
[2:02:56]
language that could limit us.
[2:03:00]
>> That's what we put to the vote.
[2:03:02]
>> Okay.
[2:03:03]
So, is there a second to that?
[2:03:06]
Further discussion on amending adding
[2:03:08]
secondary access and a gate at both ends
[2:03:10]
of Apple from Apple Street to the DPW
[2:03:13]
and use only used when landing road is
[2:03:16]
closed. Further discussion on your
[2:03:17]
motion.
[2:03:19]
>> No further discussion, Dan.
[2:03:21]
>> Uh in regards to the U amendment to the
[2:03:23]
article, I believe and I'm going to ask
[2:03:25]
this to the DPW commission, we're asking
[2:03:27]
for funds tonight to study this and do
[2:03:30]
engineering on what that site would be
[2:03:32]
used for. Correct.
[2:03:35]
>> No. Well, it's a combination of things.
[2:03:37]
Yes, to to do the plan, um, but then
[2:03:40]
also to physically construct the road.
[2:03:42]
So, another point to be made here. The
[2:03:44]
reason why this is so inexpensive is
[2:03:46]
because the DPW is going to do it
[2:03:48]
ourselves. So, if we have to do this as
[2:03:51]
part of a bridge contra construction
[2:03:52]
contract, the price of this road is
[2:03:54]
going to double probably at least, if
[2:03:58]
not more. Um, we're proposing to do it
[2:04:00]
now because we know we need to do bridge
[2:04:02]
work in the near future. We have the
[2:04:05]
people who are capable of building the
[2:04:07]
road at the DPW. We have the time to do
[2:04:09]
it on our own time frame. And so the
[2:04:11]
cost that we're asking for money for is
[2:04:14]
to um do partial survey of the property
[2:04:17]
and design and and construct the road.
[2:04:21]
>> I'm sorry I didn't say my name last
[2:04:22]
time. Dan Ducet, John Weisav, and
[2:04:24]
another question. There would probably
[2:04:25]
be a public comment or a or sometime of
[2:04:28]
a hearing probably regarding this
[2:04:29]
process, right?
[2:04:31]
Uh yeah, probably once the actual final
[2:04:34]
design of the road is completed, we
[2:04:36]
would we would open it up to public
[2:04:38]
>> where where everybody would have the
[2:04:39]
opportunity to go to a DPW meeting.
[2:04:42]
They're very exciting. They are very com
[2:04:46]
to pinhole us into something like was
[2:04:48]
just proposed and limit what we can do
[2:04:50]
with that property is uh totally um
[2:04:53]
irresponsible.
[2:04:55]
um the the original motion at hand.
[2:04:59]
>> The wraps are not going to have um baby
[2:05:01]
squirrels coming out with two heads out
[2:05:03]
of the wombs out in the fields. We need
[2:05:06]
to make good use of it. They didn't use
[2:05:07]
it at the water plant because it was
[2:05:09]
impervious. The water wouldn't go
[2:05:10]
through to go to the wellheads. It
[2:05:12]
wasn't a contamination issue. We need to
[2:05:14]
get back on track here. Save some money.
[2:05:16]
Do it right. Plan for the future. That
[2:05:19]
bridge is not going to last forever. It
[2:05:20]
failed within the last 10 years. Had to
[2:05:22]
have repairs done. It have been 15
[2:05:24]
years. It all goes so fast. Um, but
[2:05:28]
we're we're walk we're going in circles
[2:05:29]
here. Uh, don't vote for this uh
[2:05:32]
amendment to the uh motion, please.
[2:05:35]
>> There's discussion on the amendment to
[2:05:37]
the article. Yes.
[2:05:39]
>> No,
[2:05:41]
>> I do.
[2:05:42]
>> Okay.
[2:05:43]
>> Uh, Chris Capitasto, 15 Apple. So, what
[2:05:46]
I'm hearing is that this could
[2:05:48]
potentially become the new entrance to
[2:05:50]
the dump. Why doesn't somebody just say
[2:05:52]
that?
[2:05:55]
Thank you.
[2:05:56]
>> That is Hold on.
[2:05:56]
>> That's my question.
[2:05:57]
>> That that's that is not the intent. What
[2:05:59]
Brendan is saying is that
[2:06:01]
>> the intent is one thing, but you guys
[2:06:02]
once you do this, there's no stopping
[2:06:04]
it, right? So you guys go put a cheap
[2:06:06]
temporary road. Oh, well this is too
[2:06:09]
expensive now. This is the new entrance.
[2:06:11]
That's
[2:06:12]
>> that's how it reads to me.
[2:06:14]
>> Any further discussion on the amendment?
[2:06:18]
>> Uh okay. Okay. All those in favor of
[2:06:19]
amending article 22, raise your card.
[2:06:25]
All those opposed.
[2:06:27]
The motion fails.
[2:06:29]
Back to the main motion.
[2:06:33]
>> And I have a question before I say
[2:06:35]
>> Okay.
[2:06:52]
Sorry. Patience is a virtue.
[2:07:31]
We have another motion coming.
[2:07:33]
>> Yes. Uh the second amendment um would
[2:07:39]
uh address the vagueness in terms of the
[2:07:42]
size of the road and that would involve
[2:07:45]
adding words after the word road in the
[2:07:48]
second line to include with a maximum
[2:07:52]
width of 20 ft.
[2:07:54]
>> Is there a second?
[2:07:57]
>> There's a second. Discussion on the amendment to restrict
[2:08:02]
the width to 20 ft.
[2:08:06]
is my my point. Okay.
[2:08:11]
» I would um object to the 20 foot width.
[2:08:14]
Um yeah, there are a lot of roads in
[2:08:15]
Essex that are 20 ft wide and they're
[2:08:17]
hairy to drive on. There's roads that
[2:08:19]
are less than that. If we're going to
[2:08:20]
put in a road that's got to handle um
[2:08:23]
DPW equipment, uh the dumpsters coming
[2:08:27]
in and out, plus if it is a temporary
[2:08:29]
road while the culvert and landing road
[2:08:31]
is being repaired and all of us are
[2:08:33]
driving down it, um why make it 20 ft
[2:08:37]
instead of 24, which is a standard safe
[2:08:39]
width for two lanes that are 12 feet
[2:08:41]
wide for passage?
[2:08:43]
>> Nick, you had she said what I was going
[2:08:45]
to say.
[2:08:47]
>> Any further discussion on the amendment?
[2:08:49]
I have some.
[2:08:50]
>> Okay,
[2:08:51]
>> thank you. Um,
[2:08:58]
in this case, the maximum width of 20 ft
[2:09:02]
is typical of rural roads um in Essex
[2:09:06]
and elsewhere. landing it road itself is
[2:09:09]
19 ft wide at the culvert and all the
[2:09:12]
vehicles travel to and from the dump um
[2:09:16]
with at a 19 ft width that should be
[2:09:19]
more than ample um 25 ft is like
[2:09:23]
industrial strength. It's too big a scar
[2:09:25]
on the landscape and especially given
[2:09:27]
that it's going to be used so rarely
[2:09:30]
only when landing road is closed. It
[2:09:32]
would make a huge difference to the
[2:09:34]
appearance of this scenic open space
[2:09:36]
that many of us see a reason to protect.
[2:09:39]
Instead of creating an oversized road in
[2:09:42]
this farmland on a scenic road, let's
[2:09:44]
strive to design it so that it fits into
[2:09:47]
the landscape and makes as small a
[2:09:50]
bruise as possible. Thank you.
[2:09:54]
>> Further discussion.
[2:09:57]
» Go ahead.
[2:09:59]
I'm going to sit down after this. Jack
[2:10:02]
Gale, 105 Pawn Street. Um
[2:10:07]
to just to give you an idea of what is
[2:10:09]
being talked about, Apple Street is 20
[2:10:12]
ft at the 22 end, Route 22nd end. Pawn
[2:10:16]
Street, the the width is 20 ft. You're
[2:10:20]
talking about a road like Pawn Street
[2:10:22]
across this field that's supposed to be
[2:10:24]
for temporary use only.
[2:10:26]
I really don't think the trucks and fire
[2:10:28]
engines have any trouble getting past
[2:10:30]
each other on Pawn Street.
[2:10:33]
>> Consider that.
[2:10:35]
>> Let's keep it in scale.
[2:10:37]
>> It's supposed to be temporary.
[2:10:39]
>> Further discussion on the amendment.
[2:10:43]
>> Hearing none.
[2:10:44]
>> Dan.
[2:10:50]
» Yeah. So, I could just add to that
[2:10:52]
because some support here. It's uh cuz
[2:10:55]
you're going to pull 18 wheelers because
[2:10:57]
that's what hauls our trash. I apologize
[2:10:59]
for our trucks that come through town
[2:11:01]
occasionally. But we certainly know what
[2:11:03]
it will take to get a truck in and out
[2:11:05]
of there. Turn. You can only going to
[2:11:06]
turn right. Sorry, Chris. Trucks are
[2:11:09]
only going to go right out of there to
[2:11:11]
get out to State Road. So, the road's
[2:11:15]
going to have to be bigger. It's going
[2:11:16]
to be flared out at the end certainly as
[2:11:18]
well, but might as well be that's what
[2:11:20]
it's going to take. No doubt about it.
[2:11:22]
Otherwise, trucks are just going to
[2:11:23]
drive right across the street, go up on
[2:11:25]
that just to make the turn. So,
[2:11:27]
realistic, let these guys build the road
[2:11:29]
that they actually need. Sorry.
[2:11:31]
>> Further discussion on the amendment.
[2:11:35]
All those in favor of amending article
[2:11:37]
22 by limiting the width to 20 ft. Raise
[2:11:40]
your card.
[2:11:42]
Opposed. The amendment fails.
[2:11:46]
Now, back to the main motion 22. Any
[2:11:49]
discussion on 22? Um I wanted to address
[2:11:53]
the idea of um the future disposition of
[2:11:57]
the property at 30 Apple Street. Um I
[2:12:01]
mentioned earlier one of the the
[2:12:02]
motivating reasons for purchasing this
[2:12:04]
is because that we could get access from
[2:12:07]
Apple Street to the transfer station
[2:12:09]
easily. Um what will happen on that 11
[2:12:13]
and a half acre parcel in the long run
[2:12:16]
is something that this town will still
[2:12:18]
be debating when I'm dead. Um, honestly,
[2:12:22]
think about Kenomo Point. When we
[2:12:24]
figured out what to do at Komo Point,
[2:12:26]
that was a 20-year discussion, and our
[2:12:28]
options were tear it down, rent it, or
[2:12:31]
sell it. We had three options, and it
[2:12:33]
took us 20 years to figure out what to
[2:12:35]
do with it. We're talking about 11 acres
[2:12:38]
here that we could sell to a developer.
[2:12:41]
We could plant flowers on. We could we
[2:12:45]
could put senior housing there. We could
[2:12:47]
put nothing there. We could put ball
[2:12:48]
fields there. The options for this
[2:12:51]
property are so vast and so varied and
[2:12:54]
are going to take a twothirds vote when
[2:12:56]
we get there. So, this property is going
[2:12:58]
to sit empty with hopefully a road down
[2:13:00]
the middle for as long as I live.
[2:13:07]
Rob's been standing up for a long time.
[2:13:10]
>> Good job, Lisa. Um, Rob Fitzgib 18 Main
[2:13:13]
Street. So, um, politics makes very
[2:13:15]
strange bedfellows. And when we voted to
[2:13:18]
purchase this property back like a
[2:13:20]
couple years ago, I was thinking like,
[2:13:22]
uhoh. Um, because it was this really
[2:13:24]
kind of interesting kind of ven diagram
[2:13:27]
of people bonding together to purchase
[2:13:29]
it. you had the kind of uh operations
[2:13:32]
contingent, if you will, the sort of Bob
[2:13:34]
the Builder folks, and then you had the
[2:13:36]
environmental contingent, the sort of
[2:13:38]
tree huggers. And I think the thing is that both groups got together and
[2:13:44]
were a and allowed the town to purchase
[2:13:47]
the property, but both groups have very
[2:13:49]
different motivations for what to do
[2:13:51]
with the property. And the problem with
[2:13:53]
this article is that it it just talks
[2:13:56]
about a road, but it doesn't talk about
[2:13:58]
the sort of like entire use of the land,
[2:14:01]
which many people want to, including
[2:14:02]
myself, want to preserve. I'd recommend
[2:14:04]
that someone make a motion to
[2:14:05]
indefinitely postpone this, and let's
[2:14:07]
come back in November and have an entire
[2:14:09]
plan. Well, it'll be enough time. I
[2:14:11]
don't think the covert's going to break
[2:14:12]
in six months. Then we can have a full
[2:14:14]
pan and address everybody's needs. Thank
[2:14:16]
you.
[2:14:16]
>> Is that your motion, Rob?
[2:14:17]
>> Hold on.
[2:14:19]
Okay.
[2:14:20]
>> I make a motion to indefinitely postpone
[2:14:23]
article 22.
[2:14:24]
>> 22. Thank you for a second.
[2:14:27]
>> All those in favor of
[2:14:28]
>> Could I could I discussion really quick?
[2:14:32]
>> Sorry. Just make a point,
[2:14:33]
>> I guess. Sure.
[2:14:34]
>> We are not going to be able to design a
[2:14:36]
road without money.
[2:14:38]
>> So,
[2:14:41]
all those in favor of indefinitely
[2:14:43]
postponing article 22, raise your card.
[2:14:47]
All those opposed.
[2:14:56]
All those in favor?
[2:15:07]
» I know, but I have to have a plan. So,
[2:15:08]
we're going to do the tower vote.
[2:15:16]
In the meantime,
[2:15:18]
perfect
[2:15:22]
before you raise your cards, I want to
[2:15:24]
recognize uh Senator Bruce Tar is here.
[2:15:26]
He's going to come up and say a couple
[2:15:28]
of word. So So
[2:15:36]
we're we're going to save a little time
[2:15:38]
by having him speak while we take the
[2:15:39]
vote. And he's going to rap for us.
[2:15:43]
rap. Maybe not, but thank you, Mr.
[2:15:45]
Moderator.
[2:15:46]
>> Raise your cards if you're in favor of
[2:15:47]
article 22.
[2:15:49]
>> Postponing article 22.
[2:15:55]
>> You got to come to the mic.
[2:15:57]
>> All those in favor indefinitely
[2:16:00]
postponing article 22, raise your card.
[2:16:05]
» That changed. That just changed.
[2:16:08]
Definitely did.
[2:16:12]
Go ahead.
[2:16:13]
>> Keep your cards up. He's going to speak
[2:16:15]
for us.
[2:16:15]
>> Thank you, Miss Moderator, and through
[2:16:17]
you to the members. I fear what I have
[2:16:18]
just stepped into by approaching this
[2:16:20]
microphone. I I have to tell you, this
[2:16:22]
is my third town meeting of this
[2:16:24]
evening, and I have not at any of the
[2:16:26]
other town meetings heard such an
[2:16:28]
interesting combination of engineering,
[2:16:30]
wit, and philosophy. And uh it's been an
[2:16:33]
a very interesting discussion. I want to
[2:16:35]
congratulate everyone who's participated
[2:16:37]
in it. I just want to give you a very
[2:16:39]
quick update. We on Beacon Hill are in
[2:16:41]
our season of budgeting just as you are
[2:16:43]
here tonight in the town of Essex. And I
[2:16:45]
want you to know that the House uh just
[2:16:47]
a short while ago completed its version
[2:16:50]
of the budget for the upcoming fiscal
[2:16:52]
year, fiscal year 2027. And one of the
[2:16:55]
most notable things that they did was
[2:16:57]
increase the amount of minimum per pupil
[2:16:59]
aid. Uh the governor had proposed that
[2:17:02]
number to be at $75. The House increased
[2:17:05]
it uh very fortunately to $160 per
[2:17:09]
pupil, meaning for the Manchester Essex
[2:17:15]
Regional School District that'll be
[2:17:16]
about $170,000 additional dollars. And
[2:17:20]
in the Senate, uh our budget will be uh
[2:17:22]
unveiled tomorrow and we'll be debating
[2:17:24]
it over the next couple of weeks and we
[2:17:26]
hope to hold that number. In addition to
[2:17:28]
that, one of the things in the state
[2:17:30]
budget that has needed to be addressed
[2:17:32]
in a very long time is unrestricted
[2:17:35]
general government aid, so-called UGGA,
[2:17:38]
the funding that the state provides for
[2:17:41]
municipal purposes such as funding
[2:17:44]
police and fire departments. Do you want
[2:17:45]
to declare the vote?
[2:17:47]
>> All those opposed to artic postponing
[2:17:49]
article 22,
[2:17:51]
>> thank you. You can make it. I have never
[2:17:53]
been involved in the middle of a vote
[2:17:54]
before, but uh unrestricted general government
[2:17:59]
aid is what pays for the non-school
[2:18:01]
things that the state provides funding
[2:18:03]
for. And we are working very hard in the
[2:18:05]
Senate to increase that number because
[2:18:08]
over the years the state budget has
[2:18:10]
gotten bigger, tremendously bigger, but
[2:18:13]
the percentage of unrestricted general
[2:18:16]
government aid has gone down. So, we're
[2:18:19]
hoping that we're going to increase that
[2:18:21]
so that we'll have more money for the
[2:18:23]
schools and more money for the municipal
[2:18:25]
side of government. We hope to
[2:18:26]
accomplish that uh over the next couple
[2:18:28]
of weeks as the Senate uh debates the
[2:18:31]
state budget. Uh I also want to point
[2:18:33]
out that it is my hope that when we
[2:18:35]
debate the budget in the Senate, we will
[2:18:37]
at long last uh recreate and
[2:18:40]
reconstitute the Foundation Budget
[2:18:43]
Review Commission. Because for anyone
[2:18:45]
that's been following funding from
[2:18:47]
Massachusetts to our school districts,
[2:18:50]
you know that that foundation budget is
[2:18:52]
broken and it is not providing a fair
[2:18:55]
amount of state assistance to regional
[2:18:57]
districts and regular school districts
[2:19:00]
all across the Commonwealth of
[2:19:01]
Massachusetts. In fact, over 270
[2:19:06]
school districts in our state receive
[2:19:08]
only the minimum amount of per pupil aid
[2:19:11]
increase every year. It's time to change
[2:19:14]
that and it starts with the Foundation
[2:19:16]
Budget Review Commission. So, we hope to
[2:19:18]
do that. Last but not least, I'm trying
[2:19:20]
to see if the vote is done yet,
[2:19:24]
how much more time I need to speak for,
[2:19:26]
but last but not least, I think we all
[2:19:28]
know how phenomenal our our town
[2:19:30]
manager, Brendan Zubri, is uh once
[2:19:32]
again, he worked with us. He is
[2:19:35]
phenomenal.
[2:19:43]
And just a couple of weeks ago, uh,
[2:19:46]
Brendan worked with us as we did a
[2:19:47]
supplemental budget that was spending
[2:19:50]
some of the proceeds of the income sir
[2:19:53]
tax on incomes over a million dollars.
[2:19:55]
Those funds can only be used for
[2:19:57]
transportation and education. And
[2:19:59]
Brendan worked with us and we secured an
[2:20:01]
earmark in the Senate version of that
[2:20:03]
budget uh for some $60,000 to help Essex
[2:20:07]
study its bridges. um so that we can
[2:20:09]
understand what we need to do to make
[2:20:11]
them more resilient and more
[2:20:13]
sustainable. And I'm guessing Brendan,
[2:20:15]
with that amount of money, you can also
[2:20:16]
study how wide they are, but I'm not
[2:20:18]
sure.
[2:20:20]
And then and then very last but not
[2:20:22]
least, I just wanted to say a special
[2:20:24]
thanks to Chief Shamshuk uh because uh
[2:20:27]
he and uh everyone uh at the public
[2:20:30]
safety building has been hosting some
[2:20:32]
very important discussions that we've
[2:20:34]
been leading about what to do to reduce
[2:20:36]
incidences of wrongway driving in the
[2:20:39]
Commonwealth of Massachusetts. It's a
[2:20:41]
very serious issue. It is something that
[2:20:44]
happens far too often and it is
[2:20:46]
something that we are learning day by
[2:20:47]
day that we can do something about. And
[2:20:50]
the chief has been hosting us right here
[2:20:53]
in Essex as uh folks from all across the
[2:20:55]
region have been getting together to
[2:20:57]
plan a strategy to reduce incidents of
[2:21:01]
wrongway driving. And it is going to
[2:21:02]
make a difference. It's going to save
[2:21:04]
lives. And I appreciate his good work in
[2:21:07]
his hosting us and all of the chiefs on
[2:21:09]
the Northshore.
[2:21:15]
Mr. Moderator, I think there's a
[2:21:16]
question. I'm not know sure if I'm
[2:21:18]
allowed to entertain a question, but go
[2:21:20]
ahead.
[2:21:23]
» Sure. Go ahead.
[2:21:37]
I'm Shelley Bradberry. Um, thank you,
[2:21:39]
Senator Tar. I am very interested in the
[2:21:42]
energy costs that we're paying where um
[2:21:45]
I heard that the legislative is going to
[2:21:48]
talk about raising the service fees
[2:21:52]
>> in in December. And right now, our
[2:21:55]
service fees are more than what we use.
[2:21:58]
and it is getting to a point where it's
[2:22:01]
unaffordable and I I want to know more
[2:22:05]
about this and where what you're
[2:22:08]
thinking.
[2:22:08]
>> Sure. Well, thanks Shel. So, uh what's
[2:22:11]
happening is that the House of
[2:22:12]
Representatives has passed a bill uh to
[2:22:15]
work on reducing energy costs.
[2:22:17]
Massachusetts right now pays among the
[2:22:19]
highest electricity cost in the
[2:22:22]
continental United States of America.
[2:22:25]
And so uh the House passed a bill to
[2:22:27]
look at various ways to reduce that. The
[2:22:30]
Senate plans on taking that bill up over
[2:22:32]
the next several months. Um I have
[2:22:34]
offered a comprehensive bill with many
[2:22:36]
of my colleagues uh to try to reduce
[2:22:39]
those costs while making sure that we
[2:22:41]
have reliable sources of sustainable
[2:22:43]
energy. And so it's a conversation that
[2:22:46]
is ongoing. Uh but we are going to work
[2:22:48]
at both of those goals. Number one,
[2:22:50]
making sure that we have enough supply.
[2:22:53]
Number two, making sure that it's
[2:22:55]
affordable and sustainable over the
[2:22:57]
future. So, it's a great question and
[2:22:59]
it's one of the things that we
[2:23:01]
absolutely must address in
[2:23:03]
Massachusetts. And I'm I'm just going to
[2:23:05]
editorialize for a minute and say that
[2:23:07]
over the last several years, we
[2:23:09]
literally have had thousands of people
[2:23:12]
leaving our Commonwealth because it's
[2:23:14]
not affordable to be here. And one of
[2:23:17]
the driving causes of that is the cost
[2:23:19]
of energy. So, we take it very
[2:23:21]
seriously. We have a lot of ideas on how
[2:23:23]
to get at it. And I promise you maybe
[2:23:26]
even if you tune in to the Senate budget
[2:23:27]
debate two weeks from now, you may even
[2:23:30]
hear some ideas from me about how to get
[2:23:32]
at that sooner than later. Thanks for
[2:23:34]
the question.
[2:23:40]
All right, I think I've used enough time
[2:23:42]
so that the vote has been completed and
[2:23:44]
uh I think where's Lisa O'Donnell?
[2:23:46]
think, you know, it certainly got done
[2:23:48]
in a shorter time than what you had
[2:23:50]
predicted and I want to make sure you're
[2:23:52]
living for a long long time. So,
[2:23:57]
thank thank you all for for coming out
[2:24:00]
to town meeting. I know these nights can
[2:24:01]
be long, but they make a real difference
[2:24:03]
when people get together and make
[2:24:05]
decisions for the town. Thank you all
[2:24:06]
very much.
[2:24:14]
» Thank you, Bruce. Um
[2:24:17]
>> the motion to postpone
[2:24:20]
failed 85 to 103. So we're going to move
[2:24:24]
on to the main article 22 still.
[2:24:29]
» Go ahead. Mike Dyer, Indian Rock Lane.
[2:24:31]
Uh question through you, Mr. Moderator,
[2:24:33]
to the DPW. Um I I understand that the
[2:24:38]
design and construction of this road are
[2:24:40]
pencil out to $75,000.
[2:24:44]
I'm surprised you can even get a road
[2:24:45]
designed for $75,000 these days and and
[2:24:49]
built based on prices I've seen on on
[2:24:53]
other projects recently. Um I' I'd like
[2:24:57]
a little more detail on that, including
[2:24:59]
who will be designing the road.
[2:25:05]
design will be per a standard
[2:25:06]
detail and width and will be built by
[2:25:09]
DBW personnel with rented equipment.
[2:25:17]
Next question or statement.
[2:25:20]
>> Um to David Perne, 15 Lufkin Street. I'd
[2:25:23]
like to urge everybody here to vote on
[2:25:25]
this article the way it is written. Um, a lot of us probably
[2:25:30]
remember, which is coming up shortly,
[2:25:32]
the all the lovely Mother's Day
[2:25:34]
rainstorms that we had and how
[2:25:36]
inconvenient for the town of Ipsswitch
[2:25:39]
it was when the choke bridge did not
[2:25:42]
operate for months. We are one simple
[2:25:46]
little rainstorm away from that culvert
[2:25:48]
being useless, which is going to cut off
[2:25:51]
100% of your access to vital emergency
[2:25:55]
services. So, please vote on the article
[2:25:58]
as it is written.
[2:26:02]
» Uh, Christopher Wolf, Forese Creek Road.
[2:26:05]
I'd like to move the question, please.
[2:26:06]
Okay.
[2:26:08]
>> All those in favor of moving question
[2:26:10]
article 22, raise your card.
[2:26:14]
All those that want to keep continuing
[2:26:16]
talking about it, raise your card.
[2:26:19]
We are we're going to stop debate. We
[2:26:21]
will now take a vote on article 22. All
[2:26:24]
those in favor of article 22, raise your
[2:26:26]
card.
[2:26:28]
All those opposed.
[2:26:31]
The motion passes.
[2:26:37]
» Article 17. It's
[2:26:38]
>> Mr. Moderator.
[2:26:42]
>> I'd like to propose that we uh consider
[2:26:44]
article 28 next. Please.
[2:26:46]
>> Is there a second?
[2:26:48]
>> All those in favor of moving article 28
[2:26:51]
before 17, raise your card.
[2:26:56]
All those opposed to moving it.
[2:26:59]
Article 28.
[2:27:15]
» Mr. Moderator I, Edward Neil, move that
[2:27:17]
the town vote to repeal or resin the
[2:27:20]
vote of article 21 of the annual town
[2:27:22]
meeting of May 2nd, 2011, by which the
[2:27:26]
town adopted the open space residential
[2:27:28]
development zoning bylaw as section 6-14
[2:27:32]
of the town zoning bylaw, subsequently
[2:27:35]
reumbered as and currently existing as
[2:27:39]
section 6-8 of the town zoning bylaw,
[2:27:42]
and to delete said section 68 from the
[2:27:45]
town zoning bylaw. Said repeal or
[2:27:48]
recision shall not apply to any
[2:27:51]
application properly filed before the
[2:27:53]
passage of this article at the May 2026
[2:27:56]
annual town meeting. Is there a second
[2:28:02]
>> discussion?
[2:28:06]
» Do you want me to give the planning
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boards
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Jeff?
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>> What?
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>> I guess I wasn't paying attention.
[2:28:12]
>> Yes. I have to ask because this is
[2:28:14]
twothirds at zoning. I'm I want the
[2:28:16]
planning board to answer whether they
[2:28:18]
voted on it or not.
[2:28:19]
>> Beg your pardon?
[2:28:19]
>> I'm asking the planning board if they
[2:28:21]
voted on it because this is a zoning
[2:28:23]
article and it takes twothirds. I asked
[2:28:26]
planning board if they voted on it or in
[2:28:28]
favor of it.
[2:28:29]
>> They voted not to support it at their
[2:28:30]
hearing.
[2:28:30]
>> I have to ask her.
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» The planning board did hear this article
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as um part of our hearing on April 15th.
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And at that point, no one spoke to the
[2:28:43]
article and the planning board as is our
[2:28:46]
as is required takes a vote on whether
[2:28:49]
to support the article and to recommend
[2:28:51]
it to town meeting. And our vote was
[2:28:54]
against the article and we do not
[2:28:56]
recommend it to town meeting.
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» Is it my time clock starting now?
[2:29:02]
>> Right now. Okay. I guess I wasn't paying
[2:29:05]
attention when the town passed the OSRD
[2:29:07]
bylaw in 2011, but even if I was, I
[2:29:11]
probably probably would not have
[2:29:12]
understood the ramifications of it
[2:29:14]
passing. The Essex Park Road
[2:29:16]
development, however, has brought
[2:29:18]
significant issues to light. The
[2:29:20]
objective of this bylaw is clearly to
[2:29:22]
preserve green spaces as part of
[2:29:24]
residential development projects, and in
[2:29:27]
overdeveloped urban settings, it might
[2:29:28]
make some sense. But in Essex, we have
[2:29:31]
expansive undeveloped green spaces and
[2:29:34]
conservation areas for passive
[2:29:36]
recreation. The Star Roast Reservation,
[2:29:38]
New England Antiquities, Green Belt and
[2:29:40]
Trustees all offer public access to
[2:29:43]
undeveloper farm and forest areas and
[2:29:46]
the existing large residential lots
[2:29:48]
provide pleasant treed and grassy areas
[2:29:51]
for your viewing pleasure. In Essex, our
[2:29:54]
zoning for residential development has
[2:29:56]
required 30,000 square foot lots on
[2:29:59]
streets in existence in 1972
[2:30:01]
and 40,000 on new subdivision roads.
[2:30:05]
These requirements were enacted for
[2:30:06]
several reason. One is that large lots
[2:30:09]
and fences make for good neighbors and
[2:30:12]
that without municipal sewers, it's
[2:30:14]
difficult to site a functional septic
[2:30:16]
system on smaller lots. The bylaws,
[2:30:19]
sewer regulations, and special
[2:30:21]
legislation that controls our municipal
[2:30:23]
sewer do not allow new developments to
[2:30:25]
tie in. The system was built to correct
[2:30:28]
existing pollution problems, not to
[2:30:30]
facilitate future development. The OSRD
[2:30:34]
bylaw allows and indeed encourages
[2:30:37]
developers to create undersized 10,000
[2:30:40]
square foot lots, thereby creating more
[2:30:43]
lots than would otherwise be allowed in
[2:30:45]
return for allowing a portion of the lot
[2:30:47]
to remain undeveloped. This creates
[2:30:49]
several issues. First, we are creating clustered housing on small lots
[2:30:55]
that are out of character with the
[2:30:57]
overall residents of Essex. Second, due
[2:31:00]
to the small small lots on light on lot
[2:31:04]
septic systems will be impossible,
[2:31:06]
driving the developer to build communal
[2:31:08]
septic systems with pipes in the street
[2:31:10]
from the new houses to remote leeching
[2:31:12]
fields. As it is, the owners of the new
[2:31:15]
homes will be responsible for the
[2:31:16]
maintenance of and plowing of the new
[2:31:19]
subdivision roads, the water supply
[2:31:21]
which will be on private property and
[2:31:24]
maintenance of the storm water recharge
[2:31:26]
structures that are required. Adding
[2:31:28]
sewer system responsibility is adding
[2:31:31]
insult to injury. We are creating a
[2:31:33]
two-tiered community where a significant
[2:31:36]
group of taxpayers are excluded from the
[2:31:38]
bulk of municipal services that are
[2:31:40]
available to the greater population.
[2:31:42]
Lastly, but not least are the
[2:31:44]
ramifications of this precious open
[2:31:46]
space we will be creating. Who's
[2:31:49]
responsible for maintaining this space?
[2:31:51]
Who can use it? If there are dangerous
[2:31:54]
trees that need pruning or removal, who
[2:31:56]
pays for that? What if a neighborhood
[2:31:58]
kid is playing in there and is hurt? Who
[2:32:01]
pays the bill? Are the new homeowners
[2:32:03]
shouldering this burden as well? It's
[2:32:06]
been suggested that ownership of the
[2:32:07]
open space might be transferred to one
[2:32:09]
of our local conservation groups, which
[2:32:11]
will remove it from the tax roles. If
[2:32:14]
so, will these organizations maintain
[2:32:16]
and be responsible for this property?
[2:32:19]
Other than maintaining walking trails, I
[2:32:21]
am unaware of any efforts to create fire
[2:32:24]
roads, fire breaks, or decrease the fire
[2:32:27]
load in the vast woodland areas they now
[2:32:30]
control. I don't see it happening. We're
[2:32:33]
only asking these questions because we
[2:32:35]
have created these problems by enacting
[2:32:38]
this bylaw, which makes no sense for
[2:32:40]
this rural community. Please join me in
[2:32:43]
voting to remove this boutique bylaw
[2:32:45]
from our books and return to common
[2:32:47]
sense subdivision rules that work for
[2:32:50]
Essex and new residents. Thank you.
[2:32:58]
Gilen 104 John Weisav
[2:33:02]
vote no. I support keeping the open
[2:33:04]
space residential development zoning
[2:33:06]
bylaw because it lets Essex protect open
[2:33:09]
spaces while still allowing housing.
[2:33:12]
Clustered development is a smarter use
[2:33:14]
of land than scattered large lot sprawl
[2:33:17]
and it helps preserve the trees that you
[2:33:20]
fought for in the past.
[2:33:22]
So, we can't really advocate for
[2:33:24]
clear-cutting to make way for big single
[2:33:26]
family houses over dense housing and
[2:33:29]
more trees
[2:33:31]
when that's how we've been voting in the
[2:33:33]
past. I agree that nature is what makes
[2:33:35]
Essex special.
[2:33:37]
Good planning lets us grow without
[2:33:40]
giving up land, air, and space that
[2:33:42]
makes Essex worth living in. Denser
[2:33:45]
housing can add more to the town's tax
[2:33:47]
base per acre than low density single
[2:33:50]
family development because compact land
[2:33:52]
use tends to generate more property tax
[2:33:55]
revenue relative to the land it uses.
[2:33:58]
Keeping open spaces helps Essex preserve
[2:34:01]
the rural character. I would contend
[2:34:04]
that can strengthen our eligibility for
[2:34:06]
state rural town benefits including
[2:34:09]
housing and planning incentives. Vote no
[2:34:12]
on 28.
[2:34:18]
I just wanted to put a little context
[2:34:20]
around the OSRD and um make sure that
[2:34:24]
people are clear on on what we're
[2:34:25]
talking about here. The open space
[2:34:28]
residential development is one option
[2:34:30]
that developers have. They don't have to
[2:34:32]
use this. They can go do a conventional
[2:34:34]
subdivision just as they could without
[2:34:36]
this. So, it's not getting rid of this
[2:34:39]
isn't going to stop development. It's
[2:34:41]
just going to ensure that any
[2:34:42]
development that does happen um is going
[2:34:45]
to be of the 40,000 square foot lot and
[2:34:48]
not allow the smaller cluster
[2:34:49]
development and the protection of open
[2:34:51]
space. So, this isn't a way to stop
[2:34:53]
development at all. It just takes away
[2:34:55]
the option for the open space
[2:34:57]
residential development. This article
[2:34:59]
passed in 2011 with 83% of the vote. The
[2:35:02]
vote was 204 in favor of 42 people
[2:35:04]
against it. So, it's something that was
[2:35:06]
very popular here in Essex. We've seen
[2:35:08]
the first one in 15 years now um that
[2:35:11]
we're we're hearing at the planning
[2:35:12]
board level right now. So it's not
[2:35:14]
something that is happening all over.
[2:35:17]
It's it's like I said the first time in
[2:35:20]
15 years. We don't see a lot of
[2:35:21]
developments happen. Actually um it
[2:35:24]
doesn't an OSRD does not create um a
[2:35:27]
higher density in town because the whole
[2:35:29]
concept of preserving urban space means
[2:35:31]
that in effect you get the same density.
[2:35:34]
It's a little bit higher because they
[2:35:36]
have the bonus. They can get a couple
[2:35:38]
more lots if they pro protect more of
[2:35:40]
the property, but it's it's not it's not
[2:35:43]
substantial. The conventional
[2:35:45]
subdivision plan that's was used to
[2:35:47]
prove out the OSRD that we're looking at
[2:35:50]
pretty much cleared or used up the
[2:35:52]
entire 88 acre parcel. The OSRD that
[2:35:55]
we're looking at now has of that 80 I'm
[2:35:58]
sorry, 84 acres, there are seven or
[2:36:00]
about 50 left in open space. 70% of the
[2:36:03]
property is protected in open space. So
[2:36:05]
it does provide that benefit that was
[2:36:09]
the goal of it. Um
[2:36:13]
in a statistic I found and it's a little
[2:36:16]
outdated but is between 1971 and 1991
[2:36:20]
the population of Massachusetts grew by
[2:36:22]
15% and the area of developed land grew
[2:36:25]
by 35%. And that's around the time when
[2:36:28]
towns were adopting this sort of oneacre
[2:36:31]
um single family lot and and that's just
[2:36:33]
not a sustainable process. So the
[2:36:35]
concept of having the open space
[2:36:37]
residential development as an option for
[2:36:39]
developers makes a lot of sense.
[2:36:41]
Virtually every town has some version of
[2:36:44]
this. So do does our open space bylaw
[2:36:48]
need a few tweaks? Yes. And the planning
[2:36:50]
board is watching for those and we're
[2:36:52]
going to propose some tweaks. if it
[2:36:53]
survives tonight, we'll be making
[2:36:55]
updates to it in the future, having
[2:36:57]
learned a lot going through this
[2:36:58]
process. Now, um and I would like to say
[2:37:01]
that um if you to to say that um an open
[2:37:07]
space residential development, this
[2:37:08]
cluster development is not in keeping
[2:37:09]
with the character of Essex. If you look
[2:37:11]
at much of our downtown area between
[2:37:13]
Western and Martin, Pickering um Winthre
[2:37:17]
that whole area and even on around um
[2:37:20]
Southern Avenue and Eastern Avenue in
[2:37:22]
that area, there's a lot of properties
[2:37:24]
that are the size of the development
[2:37:27]
properties that are in an OSRD that the
[2:37:29]
10,000 square foot lots just a quarter
[2:37:31]
acre lot. Um so that actually is kind of
[2:37:33]
in keeping with some of the
[2:37:34]
neighborhoods that we have in Essex. do
[2:37:36]
have a lot of sort of smaller lot closed
[2:37:39]
neighborhoods and a lot of people I know
[2:37:40]
live in them and like them. So, um I
[2:37:43]
don't see the reason to eliminate this
[2:37:46]
option for developers. It it helps bring
[2:37:49]
um variety to our community. If everyone
[2:37:51]
lives on one house on an acre, it's
[2:37:53]
pretty sterile and generic.
[2:37:57]
>> Okay.
[2:37:58]
>> Uh Tom Deo, 35 Water Street. Um, I'm in
[2:38:02]
favor of looking at zoning situations
[2:38:06]
where we increase density, possibly in
[2:38:10]
improve uh possibility of more growth in
[2:38:13]
the town. But I don't like this law.
[2:38:15]
It's from my point of view when you've
[2:38:18]
got land use
[2:38:20]
requirements in town, it provides
[2:38:23]
something to the land owners. It
[2:38:25]
provides a reliable expectation of
[2:38:27]
value. you know what's going to happen
[2:38:30]
in the surrounding properties around
[2:38:32]
your property. It's important to land
[2:38:34]
owners to know that if you do this, this
[2:38:38]
is a cheat. If you just happen to be
[2:38:40]
next to the
[2:38:43]
port portion of a development where the houses are clustered instead of the
[2:38:48]
expectations you bought the house under,
[2:38:50]
suddenly there's 20 20 properties in a
[2:38:54]
completely different density level next
[2:38:55]
to you.
[2:38:57]
The whole purpose of land use
[2:38:59]
requirements is to provide reliability
[2:39:02]
to land owners and to provide an
[2:39:04]
expectation of value. If we want to have
[2:39:07]
denser
[2:39:09]
land development, do it in a global do
[2:39:12]
it in zoned areas. Make it reliable. Let
[2:39:15]
people know what's going to happen and
[2:39:17]
they can plan accordingly. Having this
[2:39:20]
it it's it's not reliable.
[2:39:26]
Bob Fitzgib 18 Main Street. Um I I don't
[2:39:31]
know. I just feel like we're having this
[2:39:33]
like hybrid vehicles are bad. Let's go
[2:39:35]
back to leted gasoline. Um the OSRD is a
[2:39:40]
tool in a developer's toolbox. And it's
[2:39:44]
not for every situation, but it is a
[2:39:47]
very very useful tool. OSRDs are great
[2:39:49]
to build in certain circumstances. They
[2:39:52]
were a win-win situation for a town and
[2:39:54]
for the developer. Um, I don't see any
[2:39:58]
economic, environmental, fiscal, or
[2:40:00]
operational benefit to eliminate this
[2:40:03]
tool we've had in our toolbox since
[2:40:06]
2011. And I don't know if you've
[2:40:07]
noticed, but the sky hasn't fallen and
[2:40:09]
the seas haven't, you know, drowned
[2:40:11]
Essex in during the time since that got
[2:40:14]
passed. Um, just think of it, it's just
[2:40:16]
a Phillips head screwdriver. I don't
[2:40:18]
understand we why we'd throw away our
[2:40:19]
own Philips head when every other town
[2:40:22]
around here Newbury Port Hamilton
[2:40:24]
Ipsswitch they have OSRD everything's
[2:40:26]
cool. So vote no on this. Peter
[2:40:32]
Hill Road
[2:40:34]
where do we start on this? Um,
[2:40:39]
the OSRD on Essex Park Road is a good
[2:40:42]
example of why we probably want to
[2:40:45]
resend this. And the sole purpose of
[2:40:48]
this is to exchange conservation land
[2:40:51]
for density development in exchange for
[2:40:54]
10,000 square foot lots. What's the
[2:40:56]
problem down there? First of all, 50% of
[2:40:58]
the construction is in wetlands or
[2:41:00]
wetland buffer zone. And I'm using this
[2:41:02]
o the OSRD on Essex Park Road as an
[2:41:05]
example of what can go wrong here.
[2:41:09]
There's a 50 thou 15 to 20,000 gallon
[2:41:12]
per day sewage system. It'll sit right
[2:41:15]
on the Elbrook. You heard me say we
[2:41:18]
don't take care of the Essex River.
[2:41:19]
Well, that leads directly to the Essex
[2:41:21]
River. It also overlaps a hazardous
[2:41:24]
waste zone uh which there's no final
[2:41:28]
remediation in place for
[2:41:31]
the Ly Brook borders or bisects onethird
[2:41:35]
of this property.
[2:41:38]
The potential conservation land is
[2:41:40]
wetland and the gas pipeline. What kind
[2:41:41]
of a tradeoff is that? We don't even
[2:41:43]
have it yet. As a matter of fact, I feel
[2:41:46]
kind of bad for the planning board with
[2:41:48]
the advice they've been getting from our
[2:41:49]
town planner and town council. We have a
[2:41:52]
town bylaw that states
[2:41:55]
no building permits allowed on something
[2:41:58]
like this until we get the conservation
[2:42:00]
restrictions in place. We had a meeting
[2:42:03]
where our town planner stated when she
[2:42:06]
was asked, planning board was asked,
[2:42:09]
when will we get the conservation
[2:42:10]
restrictions?
[2:42:12]
Well, maybe after 15
[2:42:15]
houses are built, building permits are
[2:42:17]
issued because it's expensive. That's
[2:42:19]
typical.
[2:42:21]
Town council stated, I don't know, two,
[2:42:24]
what's the concern? The concern is we're
[2:42:27]
trading off open land for density here,
[2:42:30]
and we're not getting it.
[2:42:35]
There's potentially a large deficit to
[2:42:37]
the school system. It's not a perfect
[2:42:39]
mathematical formula, but let's say out
[2:42:41]
of 36 houses, there's 1.5 kids in each
[2:42:44]
house and 1.94 is the average in this
[2:42:46]
state. That'd be 56 students into the
[2:42:50]
school system
[2:42:52]
at roughly 29,5600
[2:42:55]
per student. It's a million five,
[2:42:57]
million six. Someone from the from the
[2:43:00]
assessors can tell me what a
[2:43:03]
10,000 foot house lot on house is that
[2:43:05]
$10,000. Are we running a million plus
[2:43:08]
dollar deficit annually? It's one of the
[2:43:11]
things that can go wrong. The developer,
[2:43:14]
some young guys trying to hit a
[2:43:15]
hometown, trying to hit a home run in
[2:43:17]
Essex. Well,
[2:43:19]
my response to that, don't try that in a
[2:43:21]
small town.
[2:43:23]
It's not typical. Essex isn't typical. I
[2:43:27]
sent a letter around Apollo 13. They
[2:43:31]
said, "Okay, Houston, I think we have a
[2:43:33]
problem here."
[2:43:35]
Okay, Essex, we definitely have a
[2:43:38]
problem here. We need to resend this.
[2:43:40]
Thank you for your time.
[2:43:43]
» Sure.
[2:43:51]
» No one said anything about
[2:43:52]
discrimination.
[2:43:54]
>> Ruth,
[2:43:54]
>> no one said anything.
[2:43:56]
>> Sorry. Ruth
[2:44:00]
» Ruth Pin 15 Lin Street. On February 9th,
[2:44:04]
2026, I went before the board of
[2:44:06]
selectmen with a scheduled appointment
[2:44:08]
asking to repeal two different um
[2:44:10]
bylaws. The second one, the second
[2:44:12]
request was to repeal section 66 6-8
[2:44:15]
open space residential OSRD of the Essex
[2:44:19]
bylaws. Um, in that I wrote, "I'm
[2:44:22]
requesting a warrant article to repeal
[2:44:24]
section 6-8 of the Essex zoning bylaws
[2:44:27]
concerning the open space residential
[2:44:29]
development. According to the town of
[2:44:31]
Essex 2021 open space plan, 81.9%
[2:44:36]
of the town's land remains open space
[2:44:39]
with 35% permanently protected in an
[2:44:42]
additional 17.9 subject to development
[2:44:45]
restrictions when water bodies in salt
[2:44:47]
marsh already protected under state law
[2:44:50]
are included. Over 64% of Essex's
[2:44:53]
protected open space falls into these
[2:44:55]
categories. While conservation remains
[2:44:58]
an important goal, the continued removal
[2:45:00]
of land from the tax roles increases the
[2:45:03]
tax burden on remaining taxpayers. OSRD
[2:45:06]
provisions allow development on smaller
[2:45:08]
lots, 10,000 square foot as you've heard
[2:45:10]
tonight, uh rather than the standard
[2:45:12]
40,000 square feet, while placing up to
[2:45:14]
70% of that parcel under permanent
[2:45:17]
restriction, rendering that portion
[2:45:19]
non-taxable.
[2:45:21]
Given the substantial amount of
[2:45:22]
protected land already in Essex, I
[2:45:24]
believe it's appropriate to reconsider
[2:45:25]
whether this bylaw continues to serve
[2:45:27]
the town's financial in policy
[2:45:29]
interests. So the attorney I know the
[2:45:32]
planning board, seven elected officials
[2:45:33]
received a letter from the attorney
[2:45:35]
general. It was five pages which
[2:45:37]
basically said you can't make decisions
[2:45:40]
based on the finances of the town. So
[2:45:42]
congratulations to those seven elected
[2:45:43]
officials who are holding up to that.
[2:45:46]
But we as a body do need to consider our
[2:45:48]
finances. We're fortunate that we
[2:45:50]
haven't passed an operational override
[2:45:52]
in 20 years up until this evening.
[2:45:54]
Congratulations to us for that. But this
[2:45:56]
OSRD, we have a lot of protected land.
[2:45:59]
We have more land under restriction. We
[2:46:01]
love Essex. We don't want to see major
[2:46:03]
developments. We want to see our land
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protected. I agree. But we cannot
[2:46:07]
continue to take land off the tax role.
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It it we shoulder that burden
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financially when we continue to do
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things like this. So, I urge you to
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please vote in favor of Mr. Neil's uh
[2:46:19]
citizens petition to um remove the OSRD.
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» Hi. Um I'm Annie Martin. I live at 23
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Pickering Street. I also work in housing
[2:46:31]
policy for a nonprofit. Um I think this
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is a bad idea. This is the wrong time to
[2:46:36]
be moving away from innovative solutions
[2:46:38]
for housing, especially higher density
[2:46:40]
housing. As a commonwealth, we are
[2:46:42]
moving towards um trying to figure out
[2:46:45]
what solutions, what innovative
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solutions we can use to produce more
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housing. Our state's in a shortage. You
[2:46:51]
just heard Senator Tar talk about how
[2:46:53]
young people especially are being priced
[2:46:55]
out of this state. So, I don't know why
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we would be considering eliminating a
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key piece of our toolkit um when we're
[2:47:01]
already in a housing crisis. Um, and
[2:47:04]
then I would also just say I've heard a
[2:47:05]
lot of coded language tonight about like
[2:47:07]
the character of this housing and what
[2:47:10]
that means for Essex. And I would just
[2:47:12]
encourage everyone to challenge the way
[2:47:13]
that they're speaking about this housing
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and actually do some research into it.
[2:47:24]
Brian Grestler, 30 CHO. Uh, I think if
[2:47:27]
we wanted to pass an article like this
[2:47:29]
or make a change, then we would need to
[2:47:30]
come up with a with a different
[2:47:31]
solution. simply eliminating all the
[2:47:33]
rules isn't a solution. Um, and so if we
[2:47:37]
want to, you know, these are things we
[2:47:38]
want to do. I'm all for citizen
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petitions. I'm all for for this kind of
[2:47:41]
citizens, you know, bringing things
[2:47:43]
forward for us to vote on. But
[2:47:45]
eliminating without a without an
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alternate solution is not really a
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solution at all. It's just going
[2:47:49]
backwards.
[2:47:51]
Uh, beyond that, one other quick thing.
[2:47:53]
Uh, it does not cost every every time
[2:47:55]
you add a student, the school has fixed
[2:47:56]
costs. The building doesn't get bigger.
[2:47:59]
The buses don't get you get half a bus.
[2:48:01]
You don't get a quarter of a teacher,
[2:48:03]
right? You spread the cost you have over an additional student. It does not
[2:48:06]
cost $29,000 every time you add a
[2:48:08]
student. That's ridiculous.
[2:48:13]
» I just wanted to be boring and provide
[2:48:16]
more numbers. Um, we had the or Brendan
[2:48:20]
had the assessors compare um what 31
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acre parcels would the value that the
[2:48:28]
town would realize there versus 36
[2:48:31]
quarter acre parcels. And they did a
[2:48:34]
comparison there with equal value on the
[2:48:38]
buildings. So, I'm not going to talk
[2:48:39]
about those, but 36 buildings of equal
[2:48:42]
value will bring you more revenue than
[2:48:44]
30 buildings of equal value. But looking
[2:48:47]
at the value of the land, which is how
[2:48:49]
the assessments are done, value of the
[2:48:50]
land and value of the building, the
[2:48:52]
value of the land for 31 acre lots is
[2:48:54]
19,62
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million. I mean, sorry, $19,62
[2:49:00]
$62,000.
[2:49:02]
And the value of 364 acre parcels is
[2:49:06]
18,993.
[2:49:08]
So the the 31 acre parcels are only a
[2:49:11]
couple hundred,000 more out of 1819
[2:49:14]
million more valuable than the smaller
[2:49:16]
lots. But it's also been demonstrated
[2:49:18]
that open space um property does
[2:49:23]
increase in value more quickly that's
[2:49:25]
been demonstrated from state level um
[2:49:28]
and data. And the other thing to think
[2:49:31]
about is the whole argument against kids
[2:49:33]
in schools which is not something we can
[2:49:36]
consider. And Kate has pointed out is
[2:49:38]
not something we should be talking
[2:49:40]
about, but 30 homes on one acre lots
[2:49:45]
will put probably just as many students
[2:49:47]
as 36 homes on quarter acre lots. So
[2:49:50]
that's a completely This property would
[2:49:52]
be developed one way or another. It's
[2:49:54]
going to be developed and the options
[2:49:55]
would be 30 houses on 1acre lots or 36
[2:49:59]
houses on quarter acre lots with 50
[2:50:01]
acres of open space. So, um, it's not
[2:50:05]
really an argument. It's it's
[2:50:08]
>> Yeah,
[2:50:12]
» Mike Dier, Indian Rock Lane. Uh, thanks
[2:50:14]
Lisa. You made a couple of the points
[2:50:16]
that I was thinking of making and as uh
[2:50:19]
as Rob Fitzkimmer pointed out, this it's
[2:50:21]
a tool, not a choice. Um, in fact, the
[2:50:26]
cluster zoning will probably result in
[2:50:29]
savings to the uh developer in terms of infrastructure, road
[2:50:34]
building, u utilities in the ground and
[2:50:38]
all that sort of stuff may make these
[2:50:40]
homes slightly more affordable for the
[2:50:43]
home buyers. And I think we should
[2:50:46]
consider that some home buyers may uh
[2:50:48]
appreciate the choice of smaller, more
[2:50:51]
densely packed neighborhoods similar to
[2:50:53]
those that I think most of us probably
[2:50:56]
grew up in uh back in the well a lot of
[2:51:00]
great a lot of gray hair 60s and 70s. Um
[2:51:03]
like Leave it to Beaver. Um I urge you
[2:51:07]
to vote no.
[2:51:12]
» Just one more comment. Tom Deale, 35
[2:51:14]
Water Street. All innovation is not
[2:51:17]
equal. Okay? Just because it's
[2:51:19]
innovation doesn't mean it's always
[2:51:21]
good. We could just do something really
[2:51:23]
simple and decide to zone certain areas
[2:51:27]
for more density. That's an option, too.
[2:51:31]
And it's a smarter, cleaner, more
[2:51:33]
reliable option. There's no reason why
[2:51:36]
we can't have more dense density. We
[2:51:39]
just have to zone it. But having it be,
[2:51:42]
you know, a variable situation where it
[2:51:45]
might happen in your neighborhood or it
[2:51:46]
might not, that's weird. We don't need
[2:51:50]
this. We can just do basic zoning and do
[2:51:54]
it right.
[2:51:57]
» Tom Bario, um, 39 Spring Street. Uh,
[2:52:01]
there's lots of issues that are being
[2:52:02]
brought into the conversation here. Um,
[2:52:06]
the OSRD
[2:52:08]
bylaw allows the town to opt to do
[2:52:12]
higher density development when it's
[2:52:15]
appropriate and when certain conditions
[2:52:16]
are met. Doesn't have to do it, but it
[2:52:19]
gives us the option. The notion that
[2:52:22]
Essex is overloaded with conservation
[2:52:24]
land and we need to strike down this law
[2:52:26]
to prevent that, it's a bit of a red
[2:52:28]
herring. Uh, this town's character is
[2:52:31]
defined by the marsh. The marsh is
[2:52:33]
conservation land by state law and
[2:52:36]
that's why we have a lot of conservation
[2:52:38]
land in this town. The notion that um
[2:52:42]
people are taking away money from the
[2:52:46]
taxpayers when they bring land under
[2:52:48]
conservation again it's a red herring.
[2:52:50]
That's a state law. If people don't like
[2:52:53]
the notion that bringing land under
[2:52:55]
conservation protection makes it tax
[2:52:57]
exempt they have the right to fight that
[2:52:59]
law in the state legislature. at a town
[2:53:02]
level. It's merely something we have to
[2:53:04]
obey.
[2:53:06]
>> Any further discussion? I don't see any.
[2:53:08]
So, all those in favor of article 28,
[2:53:12]
this is 2/3, by the way. It's a zoning
[2:53:14]
bylaw. Uh, this is 2/3. So, all those in
[2:53:16]
favor of article 28, raise your card.
[2:53:21]
All opposed.
[2:53:23]
The motion fails.
[2:53:28]
Article 17.
[2:53:31]
And we're back.
[2:53:32]
>> Hello. Remember me?
[2:53:35]
I, Nick Ellis, move that the town vote
[2:53:37]
to transfer from free cash the sum of
[2:53:39]
$28,125
[2:53:41]
and to transfer from water enterprise
[2:53:44]
retained earnings the sum of $28,125
[2:53:48]
for a total appropriation of $56,250
[2:53:52]
to purchase a fully equipped mini
[2:53:54]
excavator for the highway, cemetery, and
[2:53:55]
water departments to replace the
[2:53:58]
Department of Public Works existing
[2:53:59]
backhoe and anything incidental there
[2:54:01]
too and further to authorize the board
[2:54:03]
of public works to enter into any
[2:54:04]
necessary agreements to effectuate the
[2:54:06]
purposes of this vote and dispose of the
[2:54:09]
old backho by sale or trade. Is
[2:54:11]
>> there a second?
[2:54:13]
>> Any discussion?
[2:54:15]
>> We have an old backhoe. Um, we have a
[2:54:18]
new backhoe. Uh, we want to get rid of
[2:54:20]
the old one and instead of replacing it
[2:54:22]
with a big new backho, we're going to
[2:54:23]
get a smaller mini excavator that's more
[2:54:25]
appropriate for what we have to do with
[2:54:26]
it. And as an added side benefit, it
[2:54:29]
costs way less money.
[2:54:32]
>> Any further discussion? Seeing none. All
[2:54:34]
those in favor of article 17, raise your
[2:54:36]
card.
[2:54:36]
>> Love it.
[2:54:37]
>> All opposed. Motion passes. Article 18.
[2:54:41]
What?
[2:54:46]
» What?
[2:54:47]
>> 18.
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Don't mess with me, Lisa. I, Nick Ellis,
[2:54:51]
move that the town vote to transfer from
[2:54:53]
free cash the sum of $20,293
[2:54:57]
to transfer from the water enterprise
[2:54:59]
retained earnings the sum of $20,293
[2:55:03]
and to transfer from the sewer
[2:55:04]
enterprise retained earnings the sum of
[2:55:07]
$20,293
[2:55:09]
for a total appropriation of $60,879
[2:55:13]
for work order tracking and asset
[2:55:15]
management software and anything
[2:55:16]
incidental there too. Is there a second?
[2:55:20]
discussion.
[2:55:25]
Um, so, uh, we at the Department of
[2:55:28]
Public Works have a lot of stuff, uh,
[2:55:30]
buried in the street, sitting in our
[2:55:32]
yard at our water treatment plant. Um,
[2:55:34]
we also have a lot of different jobs
[2:55:35]
that we do throughout town. Um, this
[2:55:37]
money is going to be used to purchase
[2:55:39]
software that'll help us track work
[2:55:40]
orders. It'll help us track our assets,
[2:55:43]
uh, and it'll help us in the long term
[2:55:44]
to plan for, uh, capital planning and
[2:55:47]
financing of work within the town.
[2:55:49]
Any further discussion? All those in
[2:55:51]
favor of article 18, raise your card.
[2:55:54]
Opposed? Motion passes. Article 19. I,
[2:55:58]
Nick Ellis, move that the town vote to
[2:56:00]
transfer from the water enterprise fund
[2:56:01]
retained earnings the sum of $17,000 to
[2:56:04]
purchase and install security cameras at
[2:56:06]
the water tower and anything incidental
[2:56:08]
there, too. Is there a second?
[2:56:11]
>> Discussion.
[2:56:13]
We don't have security cameras at the
[2:56:15]
water tower. We think it's a good idea
[2:56:17]
to have security cameras at the water
[2:56:19]
tower. So, we're going to buy some.
[2:56:22]
>> All those in favor of Article 19, raise
[2:56:24]
your card. Opposed? Motion passes.
[2:56:29]
Article 20. I, Nick Ellis, move that the
[2:56:32]
town vote to transfer from free cashache
[2:56:34]
the sum of 81,900
[2:56:36]
and to transfer from the water
[2:56:37]
enterprise retained earnings the sum of
[2:56:40]
191,100 for a total appropriation of
[2:56:43]
273,000
[2:56:45]
as a match for federal funding for
[2:56:47]
design and construction of water mane
[2:56:49]
replacement work and anything incidental
[2:56:51]
there too.
[2:56:52]
>> Second.
[2:56:56]
» Um, we got a state grant to do some
[2:56:58]
water work in the street. This is uh
[2:57:00]
funding that would essentially match
[2:57:01]
that state grant and allow us to execute
[2:57:02]
a project uh specifically on Dotto Road
[2:57:05]
to replace the undersized water man and
[2:57:07]
loop it to connect it to a water man on
[2:57:12]
forest.
[2:57:14]
>> Any further? Nope. Uh all those in favor
[2:57:16]
of article 20, raise your card. All
[2:57:18]
opposed? Motion passes.
[2:57:20]
>> Oh, this is my favorite one.
[2:57:21]
>> Article 21. I, Nick Ellis, move that the
[2:57:24]
town vote to transfer from sewer
[2:57:25]
retained earnings a sum of $125,000
[2:57:28]
for replacement of grinder pumps and
[2:57:30]
related equipment and anything
[2:57:31]
incidental there, too.
[2:57:33]
>> Is there a second
[2:57:34]
>> discussion? I come here every year and
[2:57:37]
ask you guys for money for water uh for
[2:57:39]
grinder pumps. This is it. We're all
[2:57:42]
done. After this, we'll be putting it in
[2:57:44]
our maintenance budget because we won't
[2:57:45]
have to replace them uh in large scale
[2:57:47]
anymore. So, that's what this is for.
[2:57:49]
>> Excellent. All those in All those in
[2:57:51]
favor, article 21, raise your card.
[2:57:54]
>> Opposed
[2:57:57]
I usually don't do this, but well done,
[2:58:00]
Nick.
[2:58:04]
We are on article 23.
[2:58:08]
I, Peter Fippen, move that the town
[2:58:09]
appropriate or reserve from fiscal year
[2:58:12]
2027 community preservation fund
[2:58:14]
estimated annual revenues or other
[2:58:17]
available community preservation act
[2:58:19]
funds. All is specified on community
[2:58:22]
preservation act town meeting handout
[2:58:24]
which you all have. Um the amounts
[2:58:28]
recommended by the community
[2:58:29]
preservation committee for open space
[2:58:31]
reserve, historic resources reserve,
[2:58:34]
community housing reserve, budgeted
[2:58:36]
reserve, administrative expenses, and
[2:58:38]
special projects or transfers.
[2:58:41]
>> Is there a second?
[2:58:44]
>> Discussion.
[2:58:45]
>> Sure. Um, you see on the handout that
[2:58:47]
there's 28,000 plus going to the the
[2:58:51]
three the three uh buckets, open space,
[2:58:53]
historic, community housing, and then a
[2:58:56]
large one for a budgeted reserve. Uh,
[2:58:59]
some amount of money for administrative
[2:59:01]
expenses, and then this year, the
[2:59:04]
community preservation committee um
[2:59:07]
voted to approve two particular
[2:59:09]
projects. Uh, one for 25,000 for floats
[2:59:13]
at the town landing. um and 35,000 for
[2:59:18]
um the ship building museum to study um
[2:59:22]
three properties that they're looking at
[2:59:23]
consolidating together as part of a um
[2:59:27]
campus that they want to uh look at and
[2:59:29]
this is just a study doesn't include any
[2:59:31]
um any construction or anything.
[2:59:34]
>> Any further discussion? All those in
[2:59:37]
favor of article 23 raise your card.
[2:59:39]
Opposed motion passes.
[2:59:44]
Article 24.
[2:59:46]
>> I, Peter Fippen, move that the town vote
[2:59:49]
to transfer from town technology fund
[2:59:51]
the sum of $5,000 for updating of
[2:59:54]
operating system running on the town's
[2:59:56]
virtual servers hosted by the town of
[2:59:58]
Danverson and anything incidental there
[3:00:01]
too.
[3:00:01]
>> Is there a second?
[3:00:04]
>> No comment.
[3:00:04]
Okay. All those in favor of
[3:00:06]
article 24, raise your card. Opposed?
[3:00:09]
Motion passes.
[3:00:14]
Article 25.
[3:00:18]
» I, Nina McKinnon, move that the town
[3:00:20]
vote to transfer from free cash the sum
[3:00:23]
of $64,947
[3:00:26]
and to transfer from previous
[3:00:27]
appropriations the sum of $110,990.
[3:00:33]
All as shown on the town meeting handout
[3:00:35]
for article 25 for a total appropriation
[3:00:37]
of $175,937
[3:00:41]
to fund the town's snow and ice deficit
[3:00:44]
for fiscal year 20 26.
[3:00:46]
>> Is there a second?
[3:00:48]
Any discussion? Nope. Nope. Okay. All
[3:00:52]
those in favor of article 25, raise your
[3:00:54]
card. Any opposed? Motion passes.
[3:00:59]
Article 26.
[3:01:02]
I, Nina McKinnon, move that the town
[3:01:04]
vote to transfer from free cash the sum
[3:01:06]
of $56,132
[3:01:10]
to replenish the finance committee's
[3:01:12]
reserve fund for the remainder of fiscal
[3:01:13]
year 2026.
[3:01:16]
>> Any discussion?
[3:01:18]
All those in favor of article 26, raise
[3:01:20]
your card. Opposed? Motion passes.
[3:01:25]
Article 27. I, Nina McKinnon, move that
[3:01:28]
the town vote to transfer from free cash
[3:01:30]
the sum of $4,924
[3:01:33]
for the payment of unpaid bills from
[3:01:35]
past fiscal years.
[3:01:37]
>> This takes a four-fifth vote. So, all
[3:01:39]
those in favor of article 27, raise your
[3:01:41]
card. Any opposed?
[3:01:44]
Unanimous.
[3:01:46]
That's a wrap. Motion to adjurnn.
[3:01:51]
» Good. Don't have to take a vote.
[3:01:57]
Not bad.