[0:18] If you'll stand for the pledge of

[0:19] allegiance, please.

[0:21] [clears throat]

[0:23] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:25] United States of America and to the

[0:27] republic for which it stands. One nation

[0:30] under God, indivisible, liberty and

[0:33] justice for all.

[0:39] » All right. So, everybody's got a copy of

[0:41] the uh of the minutes. Um I'll ask if

[0:44] anybody has any questions about the

[0:46] prior hour minutes.

[0:48] » I have a motion. Have a second.

[0:51] » Second.

[0:51] » Second. All right. Any discussion on

[0:53] that? If not, minutes are approved.

[0:56] Okay. So, we're looking at uh

[0:58] PC-2026-22.

[1:02] » Good evening. Thank you all for being

[1:04] here. Uh this is a request to reszone

[1:06] from commercial reuse to central

[1:08] business district five parcels located

[1:10] 206, 208, 210, 211, and 212 Cougar

[1:13] Street identified as Florence County tax

[1:15] map numbers 974086

[1:19] 78 9 and 35.

[1:22] These parcels are all located on um at

[1:26] the end the south southern end of Cougar

[1:28] Street which is between Chv Street and

[1:31] West Palmetto Street. They are all

[1:33] vacant right now um largely being used

[1:36] as parking lots for adjacent [snorts]

[1:39] properties and the um most of the

[1:43] properties around them as you can see

[1:44] are zoned either commercial reuse which

[1:47] is the purple or central business

[1:49] district which is the brown. So they're

[1:51] right in between both and the request is

[1:53] to zone them from the commercial reuse

[1:56] which is a lower impact lower intensity

[1:59] commercial use to central business

[2:01] district which is a mixeduse much more

[2:04] um not much more but more intense more

[2:06] dense um zoning district. It's the

[2:09] downtown district and there's nothing

[2:12] specifically planned for that but that

[2:14] would make the open these up to be um a

[2:16] little more flexible for redevelopment

[2:18] going forward. and um seems kind of

[2:22] appropriate for uh what is going on in

[2:24] there. The uh future land use map has

[2:27] them as corridor mixed use um which

[2:30] [clears throat] is what they would be

[2:32] used for as well.

[2:34] These are some site photos of them. As

[2:36] you can see, they're just vacant

[2:37] parcels. Um any redevelopment would be

[2:41] an improvement. So, um and everything

[2:44] around it is former residential. It's

[2:46] been converted to commercial uses and

[2:49] the as you can see the um school for uh

[2:53] France

[2:54] » [clears throat]

[2:54] » Um yeah Francis Mary and the medical uh

[2:56] school where circle park or circle

[2:59] school was will be just down the block

[3:02] from this. So that concludes staff's

[3:05] report.

[3:06] » Thank you.

[3:08] All right. That's a this is a public

[3:10] hearing. So um usually for public

[3:12] hearing we give 2 to 5 minutes um for

[3:14] response for and against. So I'll open

[3:17] the public hearing if anybody has

[3:20] anything to say for they can come up to

[3:22] the podium give their name.

[3:31] » Good afternoon. I'm John Deberry. I've

[3:33] made the application. I think um Elaine

[3:36] did a great job of presenting our case

[3:38] for us and um but I want to give you an

[3:41] opportunity to ask any questions that

[3:42] you might have.

[3:44] » Commissioners, any questions for this

[3:46] gentleman?

[3:47] » Can you point Can you point to where um

[3:49] Circle Park?

[3:51] » So you you see where the King Avenue and

[3:54] Greg Avenue round make the

[3:58] » Semicircle there.

[3:59] » Oh, right here.

[4:00] » Yes, sir. Okay. [clears throat]

[4:01] » So, that's where the new um medical

[4:04] facility is being built.

[4:06] » Okay. And then you these are right here.

[4:09] So, uh you don't have any there was no

[4:13] uh

[4:14] uh use.

[4:16] You don't have any uh plans for what you

[4:18] plan on.

[4:19] » So, the plans that we have um don't have

[4:21] any current plans for these parcels at

[4:24] this time. Um they all right. So the the

[4:28] dark red right around it, those are

[4:31] already zoned CBD and these are parking

[4:34] lots that serve

[4:37] those parcels.

[4:39] And [clears throat]

[4:41] we're in the process of trying to fix up

[4:44] some of those buildings there. The

[4:46] tenants have vacated and want to put new

[4:49] facades on them and invite, you know,

[4:52] more activity down there. Um, and I

[4:55] think it's important it's this area is

[4:57] kind of in a donut hole because even the

[5:00] light shaded pink between Graham Street

[5:03] and Cucer and Palmetto, those buildings

[5:07] and uses are already operating like

[5:10] they're in the CBD. There's a bar in

[5:13] there. There's a paint store. There's a

[5:15] boutique. Um, so we were just hoping to

[5:19] make it more consistent with everything

[5:21] that's going on right in that area.

[5:24] There's a nightclub on one side of it,

[5:26] um, Osborne's

[5:28] and

[5:30] this would just be an opportunity to

[5:32] make all of that consistent kind of a

[5:35] consistent area and they'd have

[5:38] consistent setbacks with the other

[5:40] parcels and the way that all the other

[5:42] buildings have been built over the

[5:44] years.

[5:45] You say it serves as parking. Is this

[5:47] parking hooked to other parcels or just

[5:48] » Yes, sir. Um, so

[5:52] it is there's an originally what was the

[5:56] social security office building that

[5:58] faces Warley Street. This is parking for

[6:02] that. And um, two of the parcels have

[6:07] historically been parking for medical

[6:10] facility on Palmeta Street where Dr.

[6:13] McKay used to be. Mhm.

[6:15] » And um so it served kind of in both

[6:18] directions as parking for them.

[6:22] » The parking is going away. You're going

[6:23] to do development that

[6:24] » No, sir. Um for the time being that will

[6:27] continue to be parking. We hope to be

[6:29] able to landscape that nicely and really

[6:34] kind of like the downtown did, make the

[6:36] facades of the back of the buildings on

[6:38] Warley Street look attractive and and

[6:42] perform more as the entrance of the

[6:45] buildings to take advantage of some of

[6:47] that parking in there. Um, and landscape

[6:50] it nicely. And then then the idea is

[6:53] we've got a concept of a future possible

[6:59] another office building there if things

[7:01] go well with the the renovation or

[7:06] maybe some um some town houses down in

[7:10] there.

[7:10] » Okay.

[7:14] » Any other questions?

[7:15] » You say the word town. I fig that's what

[7:18] you going to do in the future.

[7:20] » Well, That's one purpose of each one of

[7:23] the parts. You going to divide it up and

[7:26] try to do that, right?

[7:27] » No sir. Um so if we

[7:33] we would not divide that up for um well

[7:37] first of all I think the lane can

[7:38] correct me but right now I think it's it

[7:40] would be appropriate for town houses in

[7:43] the commercial reuse.

[7:46] » Yes, I think town houses are permitted.

[7:48] So I don't think that you know makes a

[7:51] difference in this request but um that

[7:55] is really not you know originally my

[7:59] that's this is a later phase of what we

[8:02] have in mind if things go well and I was

[8:06] thinking another office building but the

[8:08] city did suggest to look at when I

[8:11] talked to Hannah um Davis in the

[8:13] downtown development department she

[8:15] suggested that we look at the

[8:17] possibility of putting putting some

[8:19] housing down there.

[8:25] » Any other questions?

[8:27] » Thank you.

[8:27] » All right. Thanks, sir.

[8:29] Anybody else speak for this?

[8:32] Anybody here to speak opposed?

[8:36] If not, I'll close the public hearing

[8:39] and ask for discussion.

[8:43] » Any questions?

[8:46] Call for the motion. Make a motion to

[8:48] approve.

[8:49] » Second.

[8:49] » Second. We have a motion to second. All

[8:51] in favor?

[8:52] » I.

[8:53] » That passes.

[8:56] » All right. [sighs and gasps] Another

[8:58] public hearing. PC-2026-23.

[9:02] Elaine.

[9:03] » All right. This is a U request to zone

[9:05] um NC15 pending annexation. A Whoops. A

[9:09] parcel um located at 2711 Ascot Drive.

[9:13] and um

[9:16] uh identified as Florence County tax

[9:18] number 00980181.

[9:21] This is another donut hole in Windsor

[9:22] Forest. Um these addresses probably look

[9:26] kind of familiar. We've got several this

[9:27] month and several next month as well. Um

[9:30] single family house surrounded by um

[9:33] houses that are already in the city and

[9:35] they just want to um probably got tired

[9:37] of watching their neighbors get their

[9:38] trash picked up and want to join in

[9:41] that. Um it would be zoned NC15 which is

[9:44] what everything around it is zoned and

[9:46] um the uh future land use map also has

[9:50] it as neighborhood conservation. So

[9:51] everything is in keeping. There'll be no

[9:54] changes to it. Um and as you can see

[9:56] it's a single family house. So um that

[9:58] concludes staff's report.

[10:00] » Okay. All right. I'll open the public

[10:02] meeting. Anybody here to

[10:05] speak on behalf of this proposal?

[10:09] Hearing none. Anybody against it? I'll

[10:12] close the public hearing. Call for a

[10:13] motion.

[10:14] » I'll [snorts] make a motion we approve.

[10:16] » Second.

[10:17] » Have a motion to second. All in favor?

[10:20] » I.

[10:21] » Motion carries.

[10:24] » Okay. Uh PC-2026-26.

[10:28] I'm sorry, excuse me. PC-2026-25.

[10:32] » Right. Because 24 has been deferred for

[10:34] next month. Um this is a request to

[10:36] reszone from NC 6.2 2 to NC6.3 18

[10:40] parcels located on North Aken Drive. I'm

[10:42] not going to read all 18 tax map

[10:44] numbers. Um

[10:47] here's the addresses and the tax map

[10:49] numbers. They're all um sequential on

[10:52] the um located along North Aken Drive,

[10:55] which is a small uh residential area on

[10:58] the north side of West Evans Street. And

[11:01] um as you can see here, here they are.

[11:04] And they were developed in the 1950s.

[11:07] these houses were built and there's

[11:09] there because there is a single family

[11:10] house on each of them and it is a

[11:13] residential donut hole surrounded by

[11:16] commercial general commercial all around

[11:17] it and the request is to zone it from

[11:21] reszone it from the NC6.2 2, which only

[11:23] allows single family and uh duplexes to

[11:27] NC 6.3 in order to give the developer

[11:31] the option of developing single family,

[11:34] duplexes, town houses, multif family,

[11:37] whatever works out uh whatever the

[11:39] market would work out. They just would

[11:41] like to have that flexibility.

[11:44] And um we did have [clears throat] a um

[11:47] one of the other property owners, one of

[11:49] the few that are left um was interested

[11:52] in that and just wanted to make sure um

[11:55] you know that this was a quality

[11:57] development. And as I told him that's

[11:59] not what this is for at this stage that

[12:01] um that would come under any

[12:03] redevelopment late at a later date

[12:06] because these lots would obviously have

[12:07] to be recombined and re subdivided to

[12:11] accommodate whatever the development

[12:13] was. But at this point for tonight,

[12:15] we're just looking at reszoning it from

[12:18] the NC6.2 to the NC6.3.

[12:21] Um and here's some pictures. As I said,

[12:23] there older houses built in the 1950s

[12:26] and they're all rentals at the moment. I

[12:29] don't believe there's any um uh owner

[12:32] occupied houses there. So, that

[12:34] concludes staff's report. Okay. Uh I'll

[12:38] open the public hearing. Anybody for or

[12:40] against this proposal? Come up to the

[12:43] podium. Sir, say your name. [snorts]

[12:46] [clears throat]

[12:52] Good afternoon. My name is Harvey

[12:55] Frierson and I'm

[12:58] are on the end there which is not listed

[13:01] on the map there regards to uh changes

[13:05] and I are listening to so far what's

[13:09] going on with the uh town houses and I'm

[13:12] like Mr. Akens years back in 1950 he

[13:17] developed that area

[13:19] [cough and clears throat]

[13:20] and my concern in 2026

[13:23] is concern about 20 46

[13:28] you coming in are changing up modifying

[13:32] the neighborhood if so should be able to

[13:35] afford it and my concern was that if

[13:38] they're going to plan I'm going to bring

[13:40] it to your attention now that street

[13:42] likes should be your part of that

[13:46] planning. Sidewalks from Evans Creek to

[13:49] Evans Creek

[13:51] are back of the property is railroads

[13:55] and right now we're experiencing foxes

[13:58] and coyotes coming into the area and

[14:01] that should be concerned also.

[14:04] And Florence itself is growing yet

[14:08] nobody mentioned the senior citizens.

[14:11] So if they're going to buy that

[14:13] property, I would like to see some

[14:14] senior citizen living in that area.

[14:20] Now when you grow old, you're going to

[14:21] be young. What about the playground for

[14:23] the children? So those my concern if

[14:27] that's intact with the planning, I have

[14:29] no problem.

[14:31] But right now, I want it to be known

[14:34] that this is what uh

[14:38] some of the residents who's not on that

[14:41] map is concerned about.

[14:45] » Again, thank you for your opportunity to

[14:48] express my concern.

[14:50] » Okay. Any questions, Mr. Chairman?

[14:52] » Uh what house do you live in, sir? I

[14:55] live in the first house next to the uh I

[14:59] think it's ENT building. I've been there

[15:01] perhaps about 20 years, 25 years.

[15:05] [clears throat]

[15:06] » So is is your house

[15:08] » The first one the blue house?

[15:10] » Yes, sir.

[15:11] » It's it's in this proposed change.

[15:13] » No.

[15:13] » No. In fact,

[15:15] » You're outside of that.

[15:16] » Yes, sir.

[15:16] » Oh, okay.

[15:17] » And I'll be affected also. If you look

[15:20] at this zoning map, his is the first

[15:23] yellow parcel um next to the orange on

[15:26] the right where they the the pieshaped

[15:29] parcels. Um it's tax map number 006.

[15:34] » Okay. That's near the AT&T.

[15:36] » Yes, sir. Next door to you.

[15:38] » Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[15:41] » And and your concern is basically about

[15:43] future use.

[15:44] » Yes, sir.

[15:45] » That's what you're voicing an opinion

[15:46] on.

[15:47] » Yes, sir.

[15:50] sidewalks, senior living,

[15:53] playground for the children

[15:56] or a shield against the railroad track

[15:59] or ownership

[16:02] for driers as well as wild animals.

[16:08] » All right. Thank you, sir. Any other

[16:09] questions?

[16:12] You good?

[16:14] I would need to recuse myself from this

[16:16] because I do have interest in this

[16:17] project.

[16:21] » Okay.

[16:23] » So, we just can't have your vote. All

[16:25] right.

[16:25] » Right.

[16:26] » Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Anyone

[16:28] else here to speak on [snorts] this

[16:30] proposal?

[16:31] » Oh, would I be able to speak on the

[16:32] proposal?

[16:33] » Uh, or what does the

[16:35] » You would um

[16:37] » Okay.

[16:37] » You'd have to go out there and Yeah. as

[16:40] a

[16:42] » Point of order the audience for this for

[16:45] this [clears throat] particular case.

[16:46] Yes,

[16:47] » Point of order. Uh because she's

[16:49] reclused herself, that only gives us

[16:50] four people.

[16:52] » That's okay.

[16:53] » So, we can still vote. As long as as

[16:55] long as you start the meeting with a

[16:56] quorum,

[16:57] » Correct? [snorts]

[16:57] » Everything's good.

[16:58] » Yes, ma'am. State your name.

[17:00] » My name is Xavier Sams and I have an

[17:02] interest in this project. Um this

[17:04] current project the owner has other

[17:07] rentals and as part of the echo program

[17:10] which also helps those who with domestic

[17:13] violence. Um they also assist veterans

[17:15] and seniors in those rentals because

[17:18] this property has been is very dated.

[17:21] The solution would not be to renovate.

[17:24] It would be to have an effective

[17:26] [clears throat]

[17:27] living. Um, they currently

[17:30] have different things going on with them

[17:31] where tearing down would be more

[17:33] effective as far as windows cost

[17:36] effective and different things like

[17:37] that. So, as far as building back,

[17:41] reszoning to NC 6.3 would give it more

[17:44] flexibility to build different things

[17:46] back there. Um in talking with housing

[17:49] authority and also city some of the city

[17:51] council who is also um excited about

[17:54] this project as well. They mentioned

[17:57] that um there is not a lot of affordable

[18:00] housing for senior citizens and for

[18:03] those who want to have some type of um

[18:09] when you have affordable housing they're

[18:10] looked at in a negative type of way. Um,

[18:13] [snorts] so rebuilding these homes to

[18:16] have

[18:18] I'm not gonna say upscale, but to have

[18:20] different amenities that they would

[18:21] actually enjoy when these are going to

[18:24] be rebuil rebuild back.

[18:27] » What What else is in this area around

[18:29] these? Can you comment on that? Maybe

[18:31] you can.

[18:31] » Uh, Terminex was on the corner. Um, you

[18:35] have a CPA building. Um, it's like a

[18:39] it's right

[18:41] » I can't reach it cuz I'm short,

[18:43] » But at the very beginning right here you

[18:46] have a lot of different offices there as

[18:48] well. Uh, and in front of it is the old

[18:51] health department. You can't even see

[18:53] these homes from Evans Street. You have

[18:56] to literally drive in there in order to

[18:58] see it.

[18:59] » There's commercial running already.

[19:00] » Yeah.

[19:01] » Mhm.

[19:03] » And you call that the Echo? What did you

[19:05] call it? Echo is a program for different

[19:07] individuals who need housing. Okay.

[19:10] » Affordable housing.

[19:12] » And you also mentioned veterans too.

[19:13] Work with veterans. But put place

[19:14] » It would be veterans placements. They

[19:16] already working with the veterans. They

[19:18] work with uh senior citizens and they

[19:20] work with lowinccome also considering um

[19:22] housing authority as well.

[19:24] » Okay.

[19:25] » So that was sort of address some of the

[19:27] things he previous gentleman was

[19:29] speaking about

[19:30] » As the senior citizen population. That

[19:32] is something that is noted. Um and

[19:34] looking at some of the different floor

[19:35] plans that is being visited, that's why

[19:38] they have decided to do two primary

[19:40] bedrooms. If they were to rebuild, being

[19:43] that if there was a senior citizen who

[19:45] wanted to rent these, they would be

[19:47] accommodated on the first floor. Um a

[19:49] lot of homes are now as a realtor here

[19:51] in Florence are going to

[19:52] multi-generational homes just to offset

[19:54] the cost of housing. So, we lack a lot

[19:58] of affordable 4bedroom homes in Florence

[20:04] versus going back with the current one

[20:06] which has three bedrooms and one

[20:08] bathroom.

[20:11] » Okay.

[20:13] Any other questions?

[20:14] » Now, he addressed the issue about

[20:16] sidewalks.

[20:18] Are y'all planning on putting sidewalks

[20:20] there for them so they can walk around

[20:23] that circle? That has not been discussed

[20:26] as part of development when it go comes

[20:28] to zoning. So right now it's just in the

[20:30] reszoning phase.

[20:32] » That will be addressed Elaine. What that

[20:34] would be addressed for in future.

[20:36] » Yeah, I think it depends on the scale

[20:38] » Layout scale. Gotcha. Right.

[20:39] » It may require sidewalks. It may not. Um

[20:42] but it depends on the scale of the

[20:43] development.

[20:44] » But there's rules and regulations. Yeah,

[20:45] there's rules and regulations you have

[20:47] to follow.

[20:47] » And that is a DOT road. It's not a city

[20:49] road.

[20:56] So, you're planning on putting back

[20:58] single family living homes

[21:02] because that's what's affected now,

[21:03] right?

[21:04] » It has been discussed to add town homes.

[21:10] » And you going to do single family homes

[21:11] also or this town?

[21:13] » It would be town homes.

[21:15] » Towns.

[21:15] » All town homes.

[21:19] Any [snorts]

[21:28] other comments,

[21:30] questions for this young lady?

[21:34] » So, where will you put the each lot? We

[21:36] have a townhouse. That's what you have.

[21:38] » So, after zoning, um what was also

[21:42] discussed because of the setbacks, it

[21:44] would have to come back and have each

[21:46] parcel would have to be reserveyed. So,

[21:48] some of the parcels may have to be

[21:50] combined because it the setbacks and

[21:52] they're also the the lots are shaped

[21:56] funny.

[21:56] » I see.

[21:57] » Yep.

[22:00] [snorts]

[22:05] » And it's on two sides of the street. So,

[22:07] on the inside is a pie shaped. on the

[22:10] outside is actually you could do more

[22:13] with it, but the pies shaped is the one

[22:15] that's going to limit that's going to

[22:18] limit everything.

[22:24] » Yes, sir.

[22:26] » No single family.

[22:29] And the reason being is that you can put

[22:32] more affordable housing as town homes to

[22:37] accommodate the growth of Florence.

[22:44] You put elevators in it because you got

[22:46] townhouse. You might have to have

[22:48] stairs, right?

[22:49] » You would have to have stairs in there.

[22:51] » That's going to be good for

[22:53] » Well, that's why there are two primary

[22:56] bedrooms. One on the first floor or two

[22:58] bedrooms on the first floor, two

[23:00] bedrooms on the top floor. We're

[23:02] focusing on multi-generational as well.

[23:05] So, it's a mixture of everybody.

[23:12] All right.

[23:16] » Any other questions for her?

[23:19] » All right. Okay. Thank you.

[23:20] » All right. Thank you.

[23:21] » Um I'm going to close the public meeting

[23:22] now. Um

[23:24] any discussion

[23:28] before any discussion in options? Guys,

[23:31] » Can we reopen the public hearing or it's

[23:33] closed?

[23:34] » That's up to the chairman. That's that's

[23:35] chairman. And we've heard both sides. to

[23:38] give both side equal equal amount of of

[23:39] of time. So if there's no discussion

[23:42] amongst us, I'll call for a motion.

[23:45] » Move for adoption.

[23:46] » Have a second.

[23:47] » Second.

[23:48] » Any discussion?

[23:50] » All in favor say I.

[23:51] » I.

[23:52] » I. Motion passes.

[23:55] Okay. PC-2026-26.

[24:02] » All right. And what one point of order

[24:04] before we move on. The um the deferral

[24:07] of the Stratton Drive case, if you

[24:08] wouldn't mind bringing that to vote just

[24:10] to defer it so it carries forward to the

[24:12] next agenda. Sorry.

[24:14] » All right.

[24:15] » I'll make a motion to defer.

[24:17] » Second.

[24:18] » All right. [laughter]

[24:19] » There it goes.

[24:20] » It's deferred.

[24:20] » Yeah. And everybody votes. Okay. Very

[24:22] good. It's

[24:24] » All in favor.

[24:26] » We're official. Good.

[24:29] » Just to make sure everything's official.

[24:31] So, um, this is an amendment to a

[24:35] proposed amendment to the unified

[24:36] development ordinance regarding, uh,

[24:39] noise and vibration regulations. And,

[24:41] and this one's a a little different in

[24:43] that, um, this proposal would remove the

[24:48] noise ordinance section from the unified

[24:51] development ordinance, which is the

[24:52] zoning code that planning commission

[24:54] recommends on. But we would we have

[24:57] existing code also in the code of

[24:59] ordinances which city council takes

[25:01] action on. And um we we want to one put

[25:04] it all in one place um so that it's easy

[25:08] for the public and for for our police

[25:10] department who's enforcing this um to to

[25:14] comprehend and to use so it's all in one

[25:16] place. So we are um proposing that it be

[25:20] removed from the unified development

[25:23] ordinance and the the key um pieces of

[25:28] that be combined into the existing code

[25:31] in the code of ordinances. So, um,

[25:34] planning commission if they choose to

[25:36] would be taking action to remove it from

[25:39] the unified development ordinance, but

[25:41] that would be contingent, I think, I

[25:42] think, on it being placed into the code

[25:45] of ordinances by city council. And, um,

[25:48] this was brought to us by a member of

[25:50] city council. And it kind of started

[25:52] with um, a recommendation to extend

[25:56] right now. Um there's there's different

[25:58] decibel levels which I'll go over here

[25:59] in a second for um you know commercial

[26:03] districts and um residential districts

[26:05] but um based on decibel levels that they

[26:08] have to be reduced to a certain time or

[26:11] or a certain level um currently at 1000

[26:15] p.m. um in our commercial districts and

[26:18] it was proposed that that be extended to

[26:20] 11 p.m. and that so that change is in

[26:24] here as a proposal. Um but also staff

[26:27] took it a step further and wanted while

[26:29] we're while we're touching the noise

[26:31] ordinance, we wanted to combine it all

[26:34] into one easy to use document. So I'll

[26:37] um all of that was in your packet. Um

[26:40] but um essentially I we put in the

[26:43] packet what the um current uh unified

[26:47] development ordinance has in it. Um and

[26:49] that's showing as as struck through um

[26:52] in this because it would be removed. Um

[26:54] the key parts of of this code are the

[26:57] decibel levels that is not in currently

[27:00] in the code of ordinances. But we

[27:01] thought it was important to tie that,

[27:04] you know, the sound to a measure um that

[27:06] that a meter that we could actually, you

[27:08] know, that'll hold up in court or or if

[27:11] even if the police just go out there and

[27:14] you know and you know they have that

[27:15] decibel meter and they can say, "Hey,

[27:17] it's exceeding that. would you quieten

[27:19] down? Because, you know, everything

[27:20] doesn't end up in court, but um they can

[27:22] just get um instant, you know, folks to

[27:25] instantly quieten down. Um but the I did

[27:30] want to show um you know, the code of

[27:32] ordinances are also in here. Um you

[27:35] know, this is what city council would

[27:38] have control over. um these first 12

[27:42] items, the the 10-9 and 10-10 and the

[27:45] first 12 items would remain unchanged.

[27:48] Um that's as it currently reads in the

[27:50] code of ordinances. Um but then starting

[27:53] with 14 is where we start the

[27:55] incorporation of the unified development

[27:57] ordinance. We took um language specific

[27:59] to schools where they that out of the

[28:01] UDO and incorporated it um so that that

[28:05] you know between seven and four people

[28:07] can't be making noise outside of

[28:08] schools. Um, and then we added number

[28:11] 17, which has to do with recreation, um,

[28:14] recreational motorized vehicles, you

[28:16] know, four-wheelers and go-karts and

[28:18] things like that, um, that that they

[28:20] can't be making certain noise levels,

[28:23] um, in in neighborhoods and such. And

[28:26] then um under the exceptions, we

[28:29] incorporated some of the exceptions that

[28:31] were in the unified development

[28:33] ordinance or all of the exceptions

[28:35] actually um such as construction

[28:36] activities and that's outlined um up in

[28:39] 1010. It has certain um time

[28:42] requirements on that. So you can you

[28:44] know perform um construction in the city

[28:47] and and the noise is accepted to that

[28:49] basically during the daytime hours um as

[28:52] is acceptable. Um also um the noise

[28:55] emanating from a um that's temporary in

[28:57] nature like landscaping blowers,

[28:59] lawnmowers and things. We all expect

[29:02] temporary noises from that within our

[29:04] residential and commercial areas as well

[29:06] as agricultural equipment in the um in

[29:08] the appropriate agriculture zoning

[29:10] district. Uh also emergency warning

[29:12] devices, that's you know your police

[29:14] cars, ambulances, fire trucks. Um and

[29:17] also um the um events that was already

[29:21] in there, but things like the pecan

[29:23] festival or special events that we held

[29:25] downtown, but we did add some times to

[29:27] that um because even though the city

[29:30] says it's okay, we should still follow

[29:32] some rules. So we put from uh 7 a.m. to

[29:34] 1000 p.m. That doesn't give the city

[29:37] free will to go out there and run the

[29:38] pecan festival till 2 in the morning or

[29:40] anything. So we did put some times in

[29:42] there. And um and then we made reference

[29:46] um to the appropriate section in the

[29:48] unified development ordinance there.

[29:50] [snorts] And um then everything in the

[29:52] uh the black font there is um already

[29:56] existing in the code. And then um these

[29:59] are all the sections regarding the uh

[30:01] decibel levels and the times um that was

[30:05] taken from the uh unified development

[30:07] ordinance and placed in there. Um the

[30:10] changes from the unified development

[30:12] ordinance to this document um are are

[30:15] that that first section there the one

[30:17] through four um the primaaci violation

[30:20] and um it that establishes um for the um

[30:25] codes enforcement or or the police

[30:26] department who who's on the scene uh you

[30:29] know a way to actually show that there's

[30:31] a violation. Um it it says that they

[30:34] have to have a a meter a decibel meter.

[30:37] Um it tells the scale by which it's

[30:39] measured. It's got the American National

[30:41] Standards Institute or ANIE. Um that the

[30:44] you know the meter itself has to be

[30:46] certified by and it tells where it need

[30:49] you know it needs to be taken at a

[30:50] reasonable location on the property

[30:52] where the sound is occurring. So you

[30:54] know if I call that my you know that I'm

[30:56] in my living room and I can hear my

[30:58] neighbor's kid playing the drums then

[31:01] they basically need to come onto my

[31:02] property at a reasonable location and

[31:04] and show that decel level. they don't

[31:06] need to go onto the neighbor's property

[31:08] to do that. So, it establishes things

[31:11] like that. Um and um the the one change

[31:15] is that um you know from uh 7 to 10 in

[31:18] residential districts it has the

[31:20] different decibel levels and then um in

[31:23] the commercial districts it's from 7:00

[31:25] a.m. to 11:00 p.m. And just to um give

[31:28] you a um if I can might have lost my

[31:31] sheet of paper here, but um the decel

[31:34] There it is.

[31:37] So to give you a gauge for decibel

[31:40] levels and this is decibel this is a

[31:43] logarithmic scale. So um you know from

[31:46] 55 to 60 it is a huge increase u but you

[31:51] know a normal conversation

[31:55] um kind of with some or some background

[31:57] music um if you're in a um in a doctor's

[32:00] office or something like that would be

[32:02] around 60 dB. So that's just kind of

[32:04] normal conversation, uh, normal kind of

[32:07] chatter. Um, if you're, um, and that's,

[32:11] you know, more in the range of what's

[32:13] acceptable in residential areas. Um, but

[32:16] then if you go up to commercial areas in

[32:19] that 75 range during the daytime, um, it

[32:23] it's talking about a vacuum cleaner, you

[32:25] know, um, you remember when you were a

[32:27] kid watching cartoons and your mom was

[32:28] trying to vacuum and you couldn't hear

[32:30] the TV? That's the kind of noise that

[32:32] that is is is that level of of noise. Um

[32:36] and then uh at night it would be

[32:38] expected to be 70 dB which is more like

[32:41] office noise or inside of a car at about

[32:43] 60 m hour or so. So it's that kind of

[32:45] noise. And then industrial areas have a

[32:48] a different decibel level but it's even

[32:50] quieter at night because most industries

[32:53] tend to shut down at at night and we

[32:56] don't have a ton of industrial areas

[32:57] within the city. Um but we did we did

[33:00] incorporate that chart um with the with

[33:02] the change times into the proposal um

[33:05] within the um code of ordinances and we

[33:09] also incorporated

[33:11] um some of the um other language about

[33:14] proposed barriers or structures that

[33:16] could be um incorporated and also

[33:19] section um 10-xx. There I put an XX

[33:22] because we haven't assigned that a

[33:24] number in the code of ordinances. Yes,

[33:26] but yet but um the code of ordinances

[33:28] didn't have anything referring to

[33:30] vibrations, but the unified development

[33:32] ordinance did. So we took that section

[33:34] and put it in there as well. So, um that

[33:38] outlines some of the proposed um changes

[33:40] and planning commission I I think if

[33:43] they choose to um uh move forward with

[33:46] this would propose to remove it from the

[33:48] UDO um and then give council uh the

[33:52] ability to add it to the code of

[33:54] ordinances here. So, and that concludes

[33:57] staff's report and I'm happy to answer

[33:58] any questions.

[33:59] » I have a question on [clears throat] the

[34:01] decibb. I have a problem with decibb.

[34:03] So, I'll tell you right now, [laughter]

[34:05] if me and Mr. Moses are outside having a

[34:07] barbecue at his house and we have our

[34:09] wives there or kids, grandkids,

[34:11] whatever, you will exceed every decibel

[34:14] you have there.

[34:16] » Without question.

[34:17] » All right. So, I have a very sensitive

[34:20] uh when it comes to decibel readings uh

[34:22] in Georgetown County. Um and I've

[34:24] actually proved my point. All right. Um

[34:27] so, uh I you this is too restrictive in

[34:31] my mind. I'm gonna tell you right now,

[34:32] it's too restrictive. And I'll tell you,

[34:33] I know at least one um uh city council

[34:36] members, I don't know what's going on

[34:38] with them, but um I don't I don't think

[34:40] that uh when you start limiting, you

[34:43] know, um common sense, and a police

[34:46] officer comes out, does this stuff, and

[34:48] you start putting decibels behind it, uh

[34:50] decibb, you'd be surprised um in a in a

[34:53] normal conversation how you will exceed

[34:55] some of those that you guys come up

[34:56] with. So, um that was what I had say.

[34:59] Any other any other comments or

[35:00] questions for Jerry? I'm with the same

[35:02] thing also because see, you know, if uh

[35:07] if the police can come in my yard, tell

[35:10] what's going on in the next yard, then

[35:12] we're going to have a lot of fines with

[35:15] coming to uh to the to the person or

[35:17] stuff and then it's going I see where

[35:21] I see where you talking about that take

[35:23] like downtown you have you after five

[35:28] and it's after 7 o'lock. Am I right? I

[35:31] think it's over to 8.

[35:33] » Yeah.

[35:33] » And you you exceed that. That's because

[35:35] you got a ban plan.

[35:37] » Yeah. Well, for city events, it would be

[35:39] till 10 p.m. So

[35:41] » 10 p.m.

[35:41] » Which would align with Yeah. It would

[35:43] actually be ahead of what's proposed.

[35:45] » Where's that 12:00 at? Um, we're

[35:48] proposing 11 p.m. for um the uh downtown

[35:53] area in general for for businesses and

[35:57] but for city events it would be

[35:59] » This unified district is so strict with

[36:02] the city of Florence. We we got this

[36:05] unified district. They got they're

[36:07] strict with a lot of thing here in

[36:09] Florence. We let them have their way to

[36:12] run Florence and this is part of it

[36:15] right here. But see that unified

[36:17] district, we got to do something about

[36:19] unifi. I think that unified district is

[36:21] getting way out of hand.

[36:24] » Well, are there any decimals current are

[36:26] any decibb currently in in ordinances?

[36:29] » It it's currently in the unified

[36:31] development ordinance. We currently have

[36:33] » But what levels? What

[36:34] » These levels? I didn't change I did not

[36:36] change the levels. That's what's

[36:37] currently on the books. I didn't I

[36:40] didn't touch that at all. I wouldn't I

[36:42] wouldn't feel comfortable voting on any

[36:43] of this until I actually see the decel

[36:46] monitor and I know what 70 dB is, what

[36:50] 80 is. I I get your point of saying us

[36:53] having a conversation is 60.

[36:56] If that's 60 I how is 80? I I don't

[37:01] know. And I I know

[37:02] » Demonstration.

[37:04] » Yeah. I feel like I I mean just to cuz I

[37:06] feel like Yeah. I mean, I I get college

[37:08] football, they're like 120 dB. So, if 80

[37:13] if us having a conversation is 60 and

[37:15] that's 120, I I don't feel comfortable

[37:19] knowing that I would understand exactly

[37:21] what 70 and 80 is. I think that you do

[37:24] need to have some type of regulations

[37:25] and parameters on what is too loud and

[37:30] what's not loud enough. But me

[37:32] personally, I couldn't sign off on

[37:34] anything until I actually saw the

[37:36] decibel meter

[37:38] » And saw how it works.

[37:40] » Well, right. Right. Now, so who has

[37:41] control?

[37:44] So, who you mentioned they're two

[37:46] separate. So, who enforces each one?

[37:49] That's why it's co code the police

[37:52] police have authority to enforce any of

[37:54] it and codes enfor codes codes

[37:56] enforcement division assist us with that

[37:58] typically and and this is very complaint

[38:00] driven. This is not something we go out

[38:04] and find. I mean that that's just

[38:06] » Full full honesty on that. We we don't

[38:09] the police department does not go out

[38:10] searching for loud noises to to throw

[38:12] fines and and and you know throw tickets

[38:16] at people. But when it's complaint

[38:19] driven, we do we do have to respond.

[38:20] » I got you. But I But very specifically,

[38:22] the question I have combining these,

[38:26] » What what more restrictiveness are you

[38:28] adding or if if any All you're doing is

[38:31] extending the time. Right.

[38:32] » That's right. When I read through,

[38:34] » There's really no change. It's just

[38:35] making [clears throat] it easier for the

[38:38] public and for our our officers and and

[38:41] us in in planning and zoning to to have

[38:45] all in one place. it it always used to

[38:48] reside in the the um code of ordinances.

[38:51] When we adopted the new the new unified

[38:53] development ordinance, it had the noise

[38:55] um section in it. Um we adopted that as

[38:58] part of it, but as we've applied it, it

[39:00] gets a little confusing. There's a

[39:02] little bit of contradiction in it.

[39:04] » That's right. So, the four-wheers and

[39:05] the go-karts and all that, what what

[39:07] explain that to me a little bit more.

[39:08] What are you What are you referring to?

[39:10] It's um so no person shall operate or

[39:14] cause to operate any recreational

[39:16] motorized vehicle on a public rideway or

[39:18] a private property in a manner that it

[39:21] that emitted sound levels exceeding 40

[39:24] dB at or across the boundary of a

[39:26] property receiving the noise. And um so

[39:30] it's essentially saying you can't run

[39:33] » And that's in it currently or is that

[39:34] » That's in the unified development

[39:36] ordinance currently?

[39:36] » Studio currently, right?

[39:39] » Yeah. And we're we are open to any

[39:41] recommendations coming from planning

[39:43] commission to to move forward or if we

[39:45] need to have a demonstration.

[39:46] » I have a question. Where are the most

[39:49] complaints coming from

[39:52] regarding this in this district

[39:54] » In in our central business district in

[39:56] our downtown area?

[39:59] » Sure. You have a few people outline that

[40:01] call with you know

[40:02] » Yeah.

[40:03] a loud burp or something, you know, just

[40:05] occasionally we get um construction

[40:07] complaints from from projects going on

[40:10] um you know or or pumps that might run

[40:13] at night in certain areas um you know

[40:16] throughout the city at various places.

[40:18] But um but for mostly it's within our

[40:22] downtown district or or potentially

[40:25] within some of our commercial districts

[40:26] where you know a a bar or a nightclub

[40:29] backs up to a neighborhood

[40:30] » And you're adding vibration on this one,

[40:32] right?

[40:33] » Um vibration is currently in the unified

[40:34] development ordinance. It would just get

[40:36] moved over.

[40:37] » Yeah.

[40:37] » So basically it's giving city council

[40:39] control.

[40:41] » Well, they have control over the uni. I

[40:43] mean ultimately they vote on the unified

[40:45] development ordinance too but it would

[40:47] be without planning commission's

[40:48] recommendation.

[40:49] » Yeah.

[40:49] » So Ventura Court is also in the city and

[40:53] over there when the band is practicing

[40:56] at Wilson High School that's a lot of

[40:59] decibb

[41:00] » But it's recreational of course it's

[41:03] extracurricular activities. Let's say a

[41:06] resident on Ventur Court

[41:09] to complain on the ban. What would that

[41:12] look like?

[41:12] » They take that decimal meter out.

[41:15] » Technically [laughter] the band

[41:16] technically the band is in Wilson is in

[41:18] the county. It's not in the city, right?

[41:19] » But you can but you can but you can

[41:21] Yeah, you can hear it in the

[41:22] neighborhood through the trees.

[41:24] » I hear that at my house.

[41:25] » I I love I loved hearing it. Yeah.

[41:29] » But you may have someone who I think

[41:31] we'd be forced to deal with it based on

[41:33] the current the codes we have on the

[41:34] book

[41:34] » On the current stuff that I think all

[41:36] this is doing is just taking it out of

[41:37] our hands. We have no say in it. with

[41:39] the city council ultimately has a you

[41:41] know they are elected leaders. All

[41:42] right. So um but it it it combines

[41:46] everything and we we don't that's not in

[41:49] our purview anymore. Is that correct?

[41:50] That's how that's what we're doing here.

[41:51] Right.

[41:52] » Mhm.

[41:53] » Now they would have to take away or

[41:56] amend or add whatever they wanted. Um

[41:59] but you couldn't crank up a four-wheeler

[42:01] anywhere else currently in the city. I

[42:03] mean, if somebody pressed it, you know,

[42:04] I mean, you there's and I I I understand

[42:06] if I'm trying to sleep and I work third

[42:08] shift,

[42:09] » You know, bike, I get it. I get it. You

[42:12] know, if I'm downtown and, you know,

[42:14] wherever and the band's kicking up, I,

[42:16] you know,

[42:17] » I get it. So, I I think there's uh I

[42:20] think if you're an elected official,

[42:22] there's consequences uh to what you do

[42:26] and what you don't, and that's what

[42:27] elections are for. Um, but I I I think

[42:30] uh I think that uh personally I think I

[42:33] don't like any restrictions at all, but

[42:35] they're already there. So I think elect

[42:37] officials should be able to

[42:39] » Make the ultimate decision on that

[42:41] because their constituents are voting

[42:43] for them.

[42:43] » Um we're just a recommended body to

[42:45] begin with, you know. So

[42:47] » I get your point too, my man. I I

[42:48] completely, you know, it's listen from

[42:51] 60 to 80 it it's graduated. What what he

[42:53] means is when you talking like this and

[42:55] it keeps going up it it's like a 3 to

[42:57] one 401 5 to1 ones it goes up higher for

[43:00] hearing you know

[43:01] » But it it ain't much I'm telling you

[43:02] it's not it's not much so anyway any any

[43:05] other discussion

[43:07] » Or any other comments what what do y'all

[43:11] with we have to agree on this to send it

[43:14] back to city council or we'll defer to

[43:16] tell the city council come back with

[43:18] some more information about desk

[43:21] » Well I mean I think

[43:22] » That I mean, I think you need to take

[43:24] action on it, either for or against it.

[43:26] Um, or you could defer it or you could

[43:29] defer it and ask staff, you know, to do

[43:32] more research in a certain area if we

[43:34] need that.

[43:36] » And I think there's there's multiple

[43:37] options.

[43:40] » I mean, I read through all of it and

[43:42] when I read through some of I'm going

[43:43] this this stuff's already in effect. I'm

[43:45] going Jesus.

[43:46] » Yeah.

[43:46] » It's already this is already in the

[43:47] books of law. You know, I start reading

[43:49] this stuff. I had no idea.

[43:50] » See, that's where they're changing it.

[43:51] Well, no, they're not changing. Well,

[43:53] they're extending some of the hours, but

[43:54] this this stuff is going to be in effect

[43:56] one way or the other. It's already in

[43:57] effect. They're just trying to combine

[43:58] it under one.

[44:00] » We are,

[44:01] » You know, instead of us being involved

[44:03] recommending luckily, we don't have to

[44:05] enforce this very much. I mean, it

[44:07] doesn't come to light, but if it did, we

[44:09] we we would have to because it's on the

[44:11] record.

[44:11] » That was my next point is how we don't

[44:13] have to enforce it. It's just a rule.

[44:15] » That's right. We It's It's very

[44:17] complaint driven.

[44:18] » And I think that you're cleaning it up a

[44:20] good bit, right? for when you combine

[44:22] the other things that's being cleaned

[44:23] up.

[44:23] » We're trying to clean it up. That's

[44:25] right. Yeah.

[44:26] » Mhm. So, [clears throat] all the rules

[44:27] are basically there. You only extend it

[44:28] one hour. So, so these rules are already

[44:30] in place. Nothing we can do about that,

[44:32] right?

[44:32] » That's right.

[44:33] » Defining them a little bit more.

[44:35] » As a planning commission, you can you

[44:37] can recommend

[44:38] » You take the bull by the horns and

[44:39] » Yeah, we could go at it. What you do?

[44:41] Because

[44:44] » Let them come make me some more decimals

[44:45] going be higher stuff. It's we just

[44:48] don't go ahead and put it in there

[44:49] because real they open the door for us

[44:52] » And let's keep that door open while we

[44:54] can

[44:54] » Until they come up with something else.

[44:56] You know, they open the door.

[44:58] » Do we have a motion to have a motion to

[45:00] defer?

[45:01] » Motion to defer. We have a second.

[45:03] » Second.

[45:04] » Any discussion? All in favor?

[45:07] » I.

[45:08] » Any opposed?

[45:10] » It's deferred. Okay. I think we just get

[45:12] a little more little more

[45:14] » Little more, you know, background and

[45:16] being comfortable with it and and

[45:18] » Okay. And that'll give planning

[45:19] commission some extra time to review

[45:21] what's what's in place and um

[45:23] » So let me ask you this. If we come back

[45:26] uh like Mr. Moses, I think what I get

[45:28] what he's saying,

[45:30] » How could some of this be changed by us

[45:32] if we make a recommendation that things

[45:33] are changed? Is that is that way it

[45:35] works? I mean,

[45:37] » I think um I think because it's tied

[45:39] currently to the UDO, I think that does

[45:42] give you guys some say so in it. Um and

[45:45] what I would do is I would um I would

[45:48] take any recommendations that are made

[45:50] in your motion um for this and put it in

[45:54] the staff report and present it to city

[45:55] council at that time.

[45:58] » And I think that would be good. I mean,

[45:59] I think if I mean, I think it's a good

[46:01] opportunity. We, as Mr. Moses said,

[46:03] "We've opened the door and we kind of

[46:06] thought this might happen that that

[46:07] planning commission might have some say

[46:09] so in it and um for for you guys to have

[46:11] some input in it and have some

[46:13] recommendations."

[46:14] » Mr. Mo, so the motion you made, we all

[46:16] approved. Can we just add to that motion

[46:18] of what we're talking about?

[46:19] » That's up to you to make it take care of

[46:21] you.

[46:21] » I'd like to add I'd like to to add to

[46:23] the motion Mr. Moses and everybody voted

[46:25] for. What's some of the things if Jerry

[46:28] can just list them out that we that we

[46:30] want to look at? Now I for one 60 80 dB

[46:33] I mean that's that's me and him you know

[46:35] having a conversation about football and

[46:38] that that's you know that can get a

[46:40] little I mean you're you're in violation

[46:43] you know what I mean and and so what

[46:46] would you anybody want to suggest but

[46:49] what we need to do we need to verify

[46:51] what what's the decimate we got to come

[46:53] up on that we got to be educated on that

[46:56] that's number one and then we as a group

[46:58] I think we as a group need to get

[47:00] together.

[47:00] » Sure. Well, h how about a staff comes

[47:02] back to us with examples of Jay, I don't

[47:05] know how to do it. Just just sound and

[47:07] decibb. Um

[47:08] » Yeah, we we can see we can do two

[47:10] things. We can one, we can we can look

[47:12] and see what other municipalities have

[47:14] in place as far as decibel levels. So,

[47:16] we can put that in a chart so you guys

[47:17] can see what other places have that that

[47:19] that do it by decibb. And we could

[47:21] possibly also do a demonstration where

[47:23] we might could get bring in a decibel

[47:25] meter and have some sounds and show show

[47:27] y'all what that looks like. We'd like to

[47:28] add that. I would like to add that.

[47:31] » Got it.

[47:31] » Yeah. That way everybody hears it

[47:32] firsthand.

[47:33] » Yeah.

[47:34] » Anybody else having comments or we good

[47:35] on that? You look you want to say

[47:37] something?

[47:39] » Sure. I understand.

[47:40] » So So let me get this straight. Um

[47:43] ultimately the um unified development

[47:47] ordinance. Uh the ultimate goal is to

[47:50] move it into the code of ordinances

[47:52] which would take it away from this.

[47:55] » It would take it out of the zoning code

[47:56] and put it in the in the code of

[47:58] ordinance. ordinances. That's right.

[47:59] » Which would be well everything's

[48:01] governed by the city council. Yeah.

[48:03] » But it just go straight to city council.

[48:05] » That's right. That's right. And and and

[48:08] to be honest, it is most municipalities

[48:10] and counties it noise ordinances are

[48:13] housed in the code of ordinances. It's

[48:15] just, you know, these bits and pieces of

[48:17] it got put in the the new code when we

[48:19] adopted it. Yeah. So in in most places

[48:21] that is where it resides. Um so we we

[48:24] thought it best to just combine it in

[48:26] that category there. Okay. So, if we

[48:28] could if we could kind of

[48:31] » Chisel at it while we got a chance, this

[48:33] is probably a good opportunity to do it.

[48:34] » I also would like to add um other

[48:37] municipalities their

[48:40] uh decibel ordinances. Well, not decel

[48:43] ordinance, the same thing.

[48:44] » The amounts the amounts of,

[48:47] » You know.

[48:48] » Yeah. Sure thing. Yeah.

[48:49] » Their version of this [laughter]

[48:51] » The upper limits of the decimals and

[48:52] stuff like that.

[48:53] » Yeah. Sure thing. We've um we we've

[48:55] looked at a good many and we we can

[48:57] organize that into a little chart.

[48:59] » Thank you.

[49:00] » Anything else, guys? Nothing.

[49:04] » That's [laughter] right.

[49:05] » I know I can't hear as well as I used

[49:07] to. Probably because of some of these

[49:08] loud noises. [laughter]

[49:11] » It's the low. It's the low vibrations

[49:12] here. All right. Thank you guys.

[49:16] Okay. Um so, uh let's do PC-2026-27.

[49:23] Do we have to vote on that to defer?

[49:25] » Oh, we added it.

[49:26] » We already voted further. We added

[49:27] » Yeah. And I just got some direct from

[49:28] planning commission.

[49:29] » Yeah.

[49:32] » All right. All right. How is everybody?

[49:35] » Good.

[49:36] » Live it. Now, let's go.

[49:37] » Over the next [laughter] 45 minutes, I'd

[49:38] like to explain the Palm Subdivision.

[49:42] Now, this is uh the Palm Subdivision

[49:44] sketch plan. If this looks familiar,

[49:49] » This was approved by planning commission

[49:51] back in 2023. Uh back then we were

[49:54] looking at 179 total lots, higher

[49:58] density. The developer is coming back

[50:00] with uh a different product uh than what

[50:04] we've typically seen on the on the

[50:06] market right now. So it will be uh 39

[50:09] lots as opposed to the 179. Uh, so

[50:13] here's a location map. Everything's

[50:15] zoned RG2. It is historically the

[50:19] Oakdale Golf Course. So this is an

[50:21] infill development around existing

[50:24] single family detached homes and that is

[50:26] what is proposed.

[50:29] So here's the sketch plan. I printed out

[50:32] the latest and greatest.

[50:35] So they are looking for a conventional

[50:38] single family type development. Uh in

[50:41] the staff report we said 42 were shown.

[50:43] Uh it got reconfigured a little bit just

[50:45] to make sure we were meeting all the

[50:47] minimum lot widths and uh lot areas for

[50:51] the RG2 subdivision and those are uh 80

[50:55] foot lot widths and 10,000 square ft um

[50:58] which is what is shown in the sketch

[51:00] plan now. So the setbacks that will be

[51:03] observed

[51:05] will be 25 ft in the front, 8t on the

[51:08] side, uh 12 feet for street side and 25

[51:12] ft in the rear. Uh water is available to

[51:14] the property. Sewer is not uh the

[51:18] individuals when they build the homes

[51:20] will request from uh sedes which used to

[51:24] be dehack to have uh septic tanks

[51:28] installed.

[51:29] Uh so no new infrastructure will be

[51:31] installed by the developer. City water

[51:33] and storm water infrastructure is

[51:35] already in place. Uh compliance will

[51:38] still do inspections

[51:40] uh along the way. Uh the proposed

[51:43] subdivision does not require a traffic

[51:45] study. It is under the 50 lot threshold.

[51:50] Um and um

[51:53] [snorts]

[51:54] we just asked the engineer to kind of

[51:56] clean up some of the parcel shown to

[51:58] show what was proposed versus what was

[52:01] existing. And we feel he's done a good

[52:03] job of that. Uh staff erroneously

[52:06] thought that with the first sketch plan

[52:09] they were using Lake Oakdale to get

[52:11] density bonuses from preserving the open

[52:14] space. Lake Oakdale is still going to be

[52:16] preserved. is still in the hands of the

[52:18] homeowners association. The developer

[52:21] just feels that

[52:23] it's the right time in the market for

[52:25] maybe some larger parcels and to give a

[52:27] little more choice uh to the citizens of

[52:31] Florence for uh different housing

[52:34] products. So the engineer did turn in a

[52:38] revised set of plans which is what's in

[52:41] front of you now and it does meet all

[52:44] the guidelines of the unified

[52:45] development ordinance. So that concludes

[52:47] staff's report. Okay.

[52:51] [clears throat]

[52:53] » All right. This is a

[52:55] not a public hearing.

[52:57] Any questions for staff?

[53:01] » So you said it went from 42 to 39. Yep.

[53:05] » Right. [snorts]

[53:05] Right. We just um I think it was just a

[53:08] choice of the engineer and the

[53:10] developer. It was not anything mandated

[53:12] by the city. They were meeting the

[53:14] minimum standards that are required in

[53:17] RG2.

[53:25] » So bigger lots, single family homes. Mr.

[53:27] Moses,

[53:29] » These are generousized lots. These are

[53:32] very generous size lots.

[53:36] » All right. Any other questions?

[53:38] » Essentially, it would get rid of the

[53:40] golf course itself. Right.

[53:42] » Right. The infill development. Yes, sir.

[53:45] » Golf courses no more.

[53:46] » Yes. Not being

[53:48] » Any other questions, comments?

[53:53] [laughter]

[53:54] » All right. I'll call for a motion.

[53:55] » I'll make a motion approved.

[53:57] » Second.

[53:58] » I second.

[53:59] » Any discussion?

[54:01] All in favor say I. I.

[54:02] » I.

[54:03] » Any oppose? Eyes have it.

[54:06] » Second.

[54:07] » All right, that's done. That's done.

[54:08] Motion to journ is good to go.

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