[0:03] We're going to need to launch down to council's call to order, please stand and join me in this loop to the flag.

[0:10] I've played the audience to the flag. I mean, I don't think it's a matter of whether it's a republic or a state of need to unify any of the people that were taken to justice, for all.

[0:23] But this time, Clark will read Sunshine St. Stephen, roll call, please.

[0:30] This meeting is being held in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act.

[0:35] Attequate notice was posted on the council website and published in the brilliant accounting times in the career post on January 11th, 2006.

[0:43] Mr. Chairman.

[0:45] Mr. Gabriel.

[0:46] Here.

[0:47] Mr. Softman.

[0:47] Here. Mr. Sullivan.

[0:49] Mr. Fisher.

[0:50] Here.

[0:51] At this time, we have the approval of minutes for August 5th, 2026.

[0:56] Any additions or corrections to that?

[0:59] Seeing none, may have a motion for the approval. Motion to approve. Motion made by councilman

[1:05] front and order. Second up of that. Second, my councilman gave me all on favor indicate

[1:11] by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. So move. Financial correspondence. Tax collectors. Monthly

[1:17] report. July 2026. Tax collectors. Monthly. We're in sewer report. July 2626. There

[1:25] motion to approve the financial correspondence. Motion made by Councilwoman Lofton, second by

[1:34] Councilwoman Solomon, on favor indicate by saying aye, aye. I's have it so moved.

[1:42] We also have the treasurer's bill list for approval. A copy of the bill list has been provided for all council members,

[1:51] motion to approve the bill list. Make a motion.

[1:55] Make a motion. So I made my council and Gabriel second by council and Franardo.

[2:00] Roll call, please.

[2:02] Mr. Prattonardo. Yes. Mr. Gabriel. Yes.

[2:06] Yes.

[2:07] Yes.

[2:10] We also have regular correspondence stated July 2026 for the tax collector and also for the water.

[2:17] Sewers monthly summary July 2026 motion to receive and file the correspondence.

[2:24] Motion to receive and file. So move my council in front of Nardau, second of that.

[2:31] Same my council in law, I've been meeting on a question.

[2:35] All in favor indicate by saying, I, I, I, I have it so moved. We have several applications.

[2:42] I do want to say that there isn't a, we had discussed at our last council meeting to request by post-194 for their, I think it was a car show to close off for all the street.

[3:00] We said we checked with the police to police said it's okay. So when we put emotional for, would you want to include that or include that separately?

[3:10] because we can take A through A if you so choose, sounds fun.

[3:16] Okay, so we have a raffle for the marching band.

[3:25] They're all premises on several occasions.

[3:29] And then we have a merchandise raffle for the large sound shift civic association,

[3:35] to benefit the American Cancer Society and then the social fair permit for the

[3:41] American Legion and then the request by the Legion to close broad street for

[3:46] there are motion to a promotion made by Councilman Fred Nardo.

[3:52] Second, second, my Councilman Gabriel, anything on the question?

[3:58] All in favor indicate by saying aye, aye, aye, ayes have it so moved, all the

[4:02] to the House of Commons.

[4:07] Please come forward.

[4:09] Please come forward.

[4:09] Please come to the microphone.

[4:11] State your name and address for the record.

[4:19] Motion made to close.

[4:21] Second motion made by Councilman.

[4:23] Councilman.

[4:24] Law of the sick by Councilman.

[4:26] The first open session.

[4:30] All in favor.

[4:31] And the case by saying aye.

[4:32] Aye.

[4:33] Aye.

[4:33] have it. So move. That brings us down to resolutions. We have resolutions eight through a first one 2026168

[4:44] culture, the hiring of four police officers. We've been going around around trying to get people to fill

[4:50] the vacancies that we have. We now have some people going to school. But we're looking for these individuals

[4:57] if they make it starting September the 82026. We also have an application to

[5:04] membership in the summer set county cooperative pricing system. This system

[5:08] will help us when we're buying items because we'll be part of a cooperative

[5:13] agreement. We also have that's 2026-169 and we have 2026-178

[5:21] to canceling taxes on property owned by totally disabled

[5:23] refettering your child.

[5:26] And then we have a cooperative brunt

[5:28] to county participation agreement

[5:31] with the Community Development Act in 1974.

[5:34] That's 26, 27, 17, 17, 17, 17, and then we have 26,

[5:39] 26, 172, and that's to make our fourth payment

[5:43] as we're dealing with the blue building down here

[5:46] in the recreational complex.

[5:49] that's for renovations. God bless you. And I have a motion to approve the

[5:52] approved resolutions, a 26168, 26172, motion to approve motion made by

[6:01] Councilman Pratt Nardau, second by Councilman Lawton, ending on the questions on the

[6:06] resolutions. Hearing non-roll call please. Mr. Pratt Nardau.

[6:10] Yes. Mr. Gabriel. Yes. It's often. Yes. It's solid. Yes.

[6:14] Yes, we have no ordinances. Are there any reports of committees boards or officers?

[6:23] Hearing none brings us down to.

[6:26] Mayor and administration. Mayor.

[6:29] Yeah, the only thing that I really had.

[6:33] You have seen come across your desk that there was a request from New Jersey property taxpayers. We have a coalition.

[6:40] for a resolution from our township of urging a performance

[6:44] model of New Jersey's electric utilities that was received to us.

[6:49] Because it was beginning of this week and there's actual copy

[6:54] of the resolution.

[6:56] And so I'm just making a recommendation that we go ahead and move forward with that resolution.

[7:03] So as far as anything else that's pretty much.

[7:07] Is there a time limit on that mirror?

[7:09] It says.

[7:12] All that it's.

[7:17] Yeah, Tom, do you recall that?

[7:18] I don't see a time limit.

[7:20] Yeah, I don't see a time limit.

[7:21] Yeah, I don't see a time limit.

[7:22] A time free of all.

[7:23] It just says that it's said that.

[7:26] It's touching.

[7:27] You know, as we approve a resolution support.

[7:30] I'm going to send to all municipalities in the state and it's up to the governing body to decide whether the cause will launch a resolution of support or not. So they are asking at a current or your next meeting to do something like this. So I do have any other questions.

[7:48] I'm going to go ahead and move forward.

[7:50] I'm just going to do that.

[7:53] Okay. Okay. All right. Well, if the administration will prepare that for nine two, then we can move on that.

[8:00] Thank you, Mayor.

[8:03] Administrator, do you want to hold your comments until we get to unfinished business, or I will, I'll be dealing with the unfinished business, but I have nothing outside of what's in the unfinished business.

[8:11] Okay.

[8:12] All right, division of law.

[8:14] You're good.

[8:15] Division of engineering.

[8:18] We have our representative more here tonight.

[8:21] He's going to talk about the baseline sound investigation.

[8:24] And we're ready to, and we're ready to,

[8:31] for a little bit of data, data of installations

[8:36] and engineering status report for August 22nd.

[8:43] Yes, and we're going to do the data center.

[8:45] Thank you.

[8:46] Thank you.

[8:47] So I reached out to a program that you've got

[8:51] Sound studies and data input.

[8:56] And explain the situation.

[8:59] They had several concerns with how good

[9:03] the study performed with data.

[9:07] One of the biggest concerns is that

[9:10] it doesn't stop without two miles from

[9:12] the

[9:14] problems with data and the data on

[9:16] that this is very important to be

[9:19] able to develop data to

[9:25] And that analogy of how it's like a dormitory is suggested

[9:30] during a baseline of how we need to gain general noise data

[9:34] in the minimum part of priority construction of the internet.

[9:39] I'm not sure if you're not worried about it.

[9:42] Do you have another week of gathering data on the more data?

[9:45] Name over a certain different approach.

[9:48] We said, doing the baseline study of the priority construction of the

[9:54] the one way of doing it, and we could do that at that baseline, and then after it's constructed,

[10:01] they definitely better to do kind of a hyperfocus study, where in time, a lot of games

[10:08] used to be able to see that data center for a little bit.

[10:12] And see where coming from it and being able to think of everything and see how loud that is.

[10:17] and trying to make a closer,

[10:19] is to give you the three groups

[10:20] about what that knows from the data center.

[10:23] You just do a general, no way of data gathering

[10:27] after the stroke end, you won't know where

[10:30] this coming from, you're not picking up on this.

[10:35] That being said, even quick that approach,

[10:39] it would be more difficult to take these two miles

[10:42] apart from the data center, is

[10:48] what it was when

[10:51] and that second-centivated after-the-term utility.

[10:55] A lot of times, ladies and gentlemen,

[10:57] fully operational and open several years after

[11:00] this is something they have to have capacity.

[11:07] Generally, in the least level that may be picked up by

[11:10] sounds like it's done, that this is in two miles.

[11:13] The second one, right?

[11:14] Sirs, if they had, in terms of power.

[11:23] What's your recommendation here now, as far as...

[11:28] Well, actually, Mark and I spoke brilliantly.

[11:30] not tonight as well, the prior.

[11:34] I could tell you that the tune of about $15,000,

[11:38] I think it was $75,000 per ton, ton, ton, ton twice.

[11:43] I don't know that it's money well spent on something

[11:46] that they can't pin, and they can't stand by the evidence

[11:50] or the information that they glean from this.

[11:54] They actually, as I remember, there was a conversation

[11:56] about asking Pennsylvania what the bass sound, there's an analysis done over on that side somewhere,

[12:04] and then what the increase is there. Again, that's not what impact does, but there's an

[12:11] understanding then if it's going to be adding to the ambient sound in the area and whether or not

[12:27] before they did the construction and even if you don't use anything for several years until you

[12:35] maybe get complaints here, then it can show that it is from that.

[12:41] And that's the thing.

[12:42] I get the sense that what they're saying is they can't tell you certain that it's from that.

[12:48] You may have experienced an uptick in root 1.30 traffic.

[12:51] You might have experienced additional voting.

[12:53] and you might have experienced ambient noise from the village

[12:56] that if you capture all that,

[12:57] you're gonna make a false assumption

[12:58] that it's related to the data center.

[13:00] The data center is also 10 or 11 or up to 14.

[13:03] I'm not sure the number now, different buildings.

[13:06] So we may be studying this thing over a 10-year period.

[13:09] And at what point is that baseline,

[13:11] like, baseline 20 years ago on Chisol,

[13:15] nine street, would have said something different

[13:17] about the term plague than it does today.

[13:19] So we don't know what all else will have to come into play

[13:23] what will impact the study results. I could tell you, in my estimation, based on this and the

[13:30] two professionals that have weighed in, I don't think that we're going to get anything out of this.

[13:35] It's that's useful. It might only cause you questions, but nothing that you're going to be able

[13:40] to go to a court of law or to assert any type of claims. And even still, it's across the state boundary,

[13:47] which I've recently learned that we have really no rights whatsoever to try to assert any

[13:53] claim against them, you know, Florence did it with the landfill, and it was not a

[13:59] held in court, it was settled outside because waste management decided that they wanted

[14:04] to do something for the community, and even though they knew that they were not going to

[14:10] lose in a court of law.

[14:12] So you know, further, um, when I was on the boat with

[14:19] help, um,

[14:20] you mentioned that, even if you were to take the exact same area, and you will be

[14:24] long, so you can get a baseline, and if it was no shopping at all, I have to get

[14:29] that.

[14:30] If you take the exact same area here later, you can use that same sun, you could get two

[14:34] different crystals, just because something they have happened, suddenly you feel they're

[14:39] the same area, you can do it like that happens. So it is very difficult to say, we are not

[14:48] where there is something, we are going to go to our baseline.

[14:58] I understand you, is it?

[15:00] Do you think? I'm going to the meetings. We're saying we'll go over and I believe it was 50 decibels. That's what they kept saying.

[15:09] Well, my understanding with data centers is this low-grade hum that is below 50 decibels, but that hum is the sound that really affects wildlife,

[15:23] effects humans. It's granted the high pitch noise that you hear in all the videos is certainly annoying,

[15:31] and that would be able to be heard because of a gold bulb of this 50 decibels. But is there

[15:37] any way to see or find out what that decibel range is and see of that sound, that specific sound,

[15:49] It's related to data centers is in our environment now and then when this thing kicks on that we can at least compare that sound not just more noise because, you know, you could have more trucks on Route 130 and increased in noise, but this specific range of decibels that seems to be.

[16:12] what you want to do.

[16:12] Please, let's see.

[16:13] That's the word I'm looking for.

[16:14] This certain frequency is what you keep hearing about being some disruptive.

[16:19] And that it travels, over things around walls, you know, it's not as easily contained

[16:27] as I think I'm just talking out of what I read.

[16:33] Is that a possibility to just look in our environment for that, identify that sound first

[16:39] or that frequency?

[16:40] I think I can ask

[16:55] a certain date, they still accept that,

[17:01] trying to say that they're doing any effects.

[17:03] Oh, okay.

[17:06] Yeah, because I don't know that it was worth it.

[17:07] I mean, obviously, we'll worry about more sound.

[17:10] But it's unique sound that it seems to be the biggest challenge around these data centers.

[17:16] That it's just not more noise.

[17:19] It's annoying noise.

[17:32] You have not the mark was couldn't normally report on it.

[17:35] But you have the interest.

[17:36] Yeah, we have that for August.

[17:38] And this was an question that you have Mark's here.

[17:41] So we have any questions?

[18:09] So that's thank you.

[18:10] That's the grand application at this point.

[18:12] They had comments back on the application.

[18:17] The face story.

[18:18] Thank you.

[18:19] Should we touch on, man?

[18:21] Should we touch on there?

[18:22] There will be a change order coming on broad street phase two

[18:25] to include some drainage improvements

[18:27] at the corner of the road where we had to explain in that

[18:33] particular there.

[18:34] So that would have laid next to Joe's office for as long as I can

[18:36] remember. Obviously, it did get made worse. It was made a little bit worse, simply because

[18:42] the way I guess I have to describe it is we had to raise and flatten the curve level a little bit

[18:47] to accomplish the new ADA standards because of the proximity to the doorway to the office.

[18:53] And because that had to happen, the pavement obviously had to come up and it just exaggerated that

[18:57] water retention a little bit. But we do have a change order coming from Barrett in order to install a

[19:02] new inlet, which actually probably should have been done many, many years ago on the other side of the

[19:07] connecting it into the storm system.

[19:09] And that will remediate that water problem lying there.

[19:15] The problem that was worsened as well as the old problem

[19:19] that has always existed there.

[19:20] Yes, so that will be corrected.

[19:22] So like Mark's been working on that with the contractor.

[19:25] They did similar proposal.

[19:27] And it's a very reasonable change order for the amount of improvement

[19:29] that we're going to see at that corner.

[19:31] We'll want to get that started right away.

[19:33] So you'll see the change order authorization at September.

[19:35] But we don't want them to delay.

[19:38] We've got a lot of to.

[19:39] We're going to make sure we get that going immediately.

[19:42] Thank you.

[19:44] Thank you more.

[19:45] That's it.

[19:46] But you could love to you on your new endeavor.

[19:49] I think it will be a favor of the other.

[19:51] Do you have?

[19:53] You know, if you want to.

[19:55] We're going to talk about some of those.

[19:58] The improvements that works.

[20:00] Let's do that for some price.

[20:01] Well, there might be a question.

[20:02] Sure.

[20:03] Okay.

[20:03] Okay. Okay. Okay. I thank you for that report, though, in that update.

[20:11] Division of Wooder and so are utilities. Take this in done finished business. Now, we have

[20:15] several unfinished business areas. And, you know, they all require financial assistance and

[20:23] some larger than others. We'll take one at a time. First, the Morris Court parking lot estimates.

[20:31] Tom, could you give us the information on that?

[20:33] So good counsel's packet, there was a concept design

[20:37] of what we may be able to do behind more

[20:40] or answering the questions of the residents there

[20:44] with regard to how difficult it is to park on their street.

[20:48] The first concept, option number one will call it,

[20:52] would be to install roughly 20 parking spaces behind their homes,

[20:55] coming off of Cedar Lane with a new curb cut

[20:58] and driveway opening, the cost for that,

[21:02] the actual hard cost has made to be around $204,000.

[21:07] You're looking at, it's a substantial cost for 20 parking spaces.

[21:12] That's the bill that they're right, you still have engineering costs.

[21:15] You would still have engineering.

[21:18] You're talking about that could end up like a quarter of a million dollars.

[21:23] I think that's close.

[21:25] That's probably a reasonable number.

[21:29] Yeah, so about over 12,000 dollars per parking spot, if you equate it to the calls per parking spot.

[21:37] It is a huge project when it comes to number.

[21:42] We have roads that require immediate attention, existing infrastructure that needs some help.

[21:49] And so, you know, it's up to Council if you wanted to consider bonding for something like this.

[21:55] You cannot afford this in your budget. It doesn't work that way. You'll have to project it.

[21:58] You don't incur debt and finance it over a period.

[22:04] It's something that you might, you know, consider in future road programs.

[22:08] If you do a larger scale road program.

[22:12] But I explained that if we do a larger scale program,

[22:16] the more that we do, it's sort of, it's going to come back with something overall called.

[22:22] You could, you could, you'll get better quantity, you know, pricing on quantities.

[22:27] Okay, the engineer will have counsel.

[22:30] I have a question. I mean, this is for opinion. Excuse me, because I don't know exactly what situation is over there, but I mean, is it possible, even just to make that rock like rocks instead of being paid and what was that, you know,

[22:53] It's an option.

[22:56] There's still, it's a substantial amount of base that you're going to have to create with rocks.

[23:00] Depending on the size and what gives you still may have stormwater management that you have to deal with.

[23:10] the service.

[23:11] So we can sort of start with the service.

[23:14] So we go to that coordinator.

[23:17] On additional medical service.

[23:18] It will trigger the water control limits.

[23:21] So we.

[23:21] We're going to go.

[23:24] So the last one actually is 100.

[23:26] We're going to go to the.

[23:27] That's why the.

[23:28] So we're going to.

[23:34] So we're still.

[23:36] So we're going to have to actually be a little bit as well.

[23:38] to discuss a base underneath that draws on top as well, and also when I was speaking to the

[23:45] people, it's on that full of work. It can be a little bit easier to know about the problem,

[23:50] and you like to think of it for that, whereas it's a lot of important things for that.

[23:58] It looks like materials on the asphalt. There's about $35 to $40,000.

[24:04] So you would essentially be looking maybe around 1, 160 plus the engineering.

[24:10] It has to go out a bit,

[24:15] so it's so much because it's all wooded back there.

[24:21] It's work.

[24:22] You should play it.

[24:24] So we're sort of a caution one.

[24:25] That part is a good thing.

[24:27] But essentially, you have the next to be out.

[24:30] Not a good idea to put in the base.

[24:33] Play it in the last one.

[24:34] Play it in the last one.

[24:35] to exactly get a good service to drive like have more of a good one.

[24:42] That's really a better database and that's what it is.

[24:45] And then the top was a nice one.

[24:46] Quite different than I guess when we're doing resurfacing after here,

[24:49] I'm going to post for us to resurface for us to do it because that base is all we can do.

[24:52] You're just taking all the top two inches.

[24:56] You have to build.

[24:57] You have to actually build the road.

[24:59] So you have to build the road.

[25:00] So you have to build the road.

[25:03] Please, friend, you.

[25:05] It's not as simple as just

[25:07] being

[25:13] a sponsor.

[25:14] I also have to create a card away.

[25:16] Of course, I should get in and out as a sponsor.

[25:18] It's not just,

[25:19] by night and spot.

[25:23] Any other questions, council?

[25:29] So, I'll relate to the people that have been the chief

[25:33] of the questions.

[25:34] Yeah, I think,

[25:35] I don't know.

[25:39] Obviously, we have,

[25:43] you know, this is something that we, we, we certainly want to pay attention to.

[25:50] I guess we're going to have to wait and see, as we move into our next budget as to,

[25:58] what kind of programs we're going to, you know, undertake and then go from there, but at this point time,

[26:04] It doesn't seem like council is of the opinion that, you know, we could spend a quarter

[26:09] million dollars on this particular project. I'm not talking out of two in the mirror.

[26:16] No. Are people currently packing back their anyway? No.

[26:20] What they're doing is they're they're they're double parking in there.

[26:24] But on the street now I'm aware of that. You know it's a it's one of those situations where we've

[26:30] inherited a bay of design to begin with. And now we're sitting here and yes, it's going to

[26:37] call us a tax fairs and I think you got to put that aside with the other. Yeah, I don't

[26:48] want for a while, yep. I mean, I think we owe it to like Paul Pines to pay the room before

[26:55] We do not have them like that.

[26:57] It's all in.

[27:00] Okay.

[27:01] Moving along the rolling park parking space

[27:03] The system that you came up with figures on that.

[27:06] Yeah.

[27:06] You look at what was the opportunity for us to add some additional

[27:10] Noes in parking while we were inside Avenue.

[27:12] It came up with about 16 spaces that we could

[27:16] Noes into the park where there was no obstructions.

[27:19] And the number we're looking at.

[27:23] Park costs around $81,000.

[27:25] push you have engineering, project management, inspections. I just took a well-part.

[27:31] So that's a 100,000.

[27:32] That's a 100,000.

[27:33] That's a 6,000.

[27:34] Again, same thing, you know, we have priorities, but I know that I think one, at least one

[27:40] council member, one, council member said mentioned about more opportunities for parking to support

[27:45] the park functions and activities.

[27:47] And so I wanted to make sure we got it.

[27:49] We have a good understanding, so anything in the future, we can consider it unless you decide

[27:53] need to proceed with this sooner. I would recommend that, again, we know we have existing

[28:00] infrastructure that needs to be dealt with, I'd recommend that we look at this for a future

[28:04] brown to county park grant permit program, because the county does really like to see where they

[28:10] where you've leveraged funds before, like we have at that park, and to continue to add amenities to

[28:16] to show that those, those things are being used in particular says we're putting in the

[28:20] part our new playground.

[28:22] The last question, because on the fore end of the part, don't we have something in the

[28:31] works for an entrance flowing dam?

[28:36] We've, we've applied for a trail program.

[28:38] Yeah, we have a path down.

[28:40] Yeah, a path down.

[28:41] No, yeah, I mean, yeah.

[28:43] Yes, connecting the parking lot.

[28:45] Now, just so you know, that parking lot at the end of second avenue, that was authorized by a county park grant in the past.

[28:52] So again, it's not outside the scope of reality when it comes to what the county.

[28:55] Okay, so it would seem to put this on hold until we get here.

[29:00] Well, okay, this for when the opportunity presents itself, unless you, the other wise, then we would pursue it.

[29:06] All right, that moved us on to 12 timber utility service installation of data.

[29:11] I did not give you anything that writing for that.

[29:16] Jeff Smith and Kent Jones have ordered all the materials that you authorize last week.

[29:22] At this point, we know we're going to start getting materials in trips and drives.

[29:26] And when is that going to have to start to happen? Say what they want to say.

[29:30] A week of the seventh, which is Labor Day, they're looking to mobilize on September 8th.

[29:38] So they'll be calling in all their markouts. They have all the engineering details are done.

[29:44] I'm not out of this meeting.

[29:47] I'm informing the governing body first and then I'm sending a letter to the residents, indicating exactly what's going to take place.

[29:54] Zeroes are ordered. They're going to mobilize for it because we work on the 8th.

[29:58] But stay on the 9th.

[30:01] It'll also spell out the fact that, and after tonight, I hope we have more information, that the public, the utility department, will be stabilizing and sub and basing the trench, so that it's a probably a better driving surface on that area, they excavate that some of what's already existing. That'll get us through the winter. And that brings us to the next conversation, but that's where we stand.

[30:25] Because once they put the utility and it needs time to be able to settle right you can't you can't really pay

[30:31] Over top of that because it will and that you're living off and especially there because there's a high water table

[30:37] And they're going to want to get really good compassion that they're going to mechanically compact, but at the same time

[30:43] So that's why I didn't put a next one which is tall timber resurfacing estimates but I have a question

[30:51] was this the project that

[30:54] There may be a fee if they need to connect.

[30:58] There has to be a fee. Any time you connect to the municipal.

[31:01] So they'll be notified if that fee wins that.

[31:04] That's my goal is that I'll get the connection fees.

[31:07] Everything will be outlined in that letter.

[31:09] That if you connect, this is what you'll pay for water.

[31:12] This is what you'll pay for sewer.

[31:14] So all of that has to be spelled out in the letter.

[31:17] And remember, Council has not, you've not shown any interest or in going in and doing any added assessments or property improvement assessments and trying to reclaim that.

[31:30] In this case, we're moving forward with the policy.

[31:32] Well, we're trying to, yeah, we're trying to fix that area, but, you know, I mean, the people there, I mean, I driven on that a couple of times going out to the high school.

[31:44] There's potholes all over the place.

[31:46] We know it has to be corrected and as far as the woulder and sewer, if people want to utilize

[31:53] that service, then they'll have the opportunity to do so.

[31:57] So, yes.

[31:57] But I think you didn't get to change the finish for the, that we're not putting additional

[32:02] systems on the properties because it increases value, it increases the value of the property,

[32:07] but we're not going to do that.

[32:08] Again, I just want to make sure I state that here.

[32:10] Make sure it's for the record.

[32:11] I've not taken them. You're actually having the council to do any special assessments and we're moving forward because it's just such a we're trying to help rather than hinder.

[32:21] So that brings us to the next topic.

[32:25] We know the condition of the road. We know after we do our repairs it's going to be better in spots, but it's going to be damaged. It's going to be up, you know, lift it up.

[32:34] Mark went out, you did an evaluation, Mark jumped in anywhere you want, but they have the estimate in front of them around $455,000.

[32:44] For a million paving of a tall timber.

[32:48] Is there anything there that of note or anything that you think the council should know about?

[32:54] You know, we're not doing new curbs and sidewalks unless it's absolute. We're trying to keep this thing so that it's.

[33:07] Is that a total cost, because what's the most, the as far as cost and most?

[33:22] And I would imagine that depending upon what's going on internationally, that that cost of the asphalt could definitely go up because that's all oil-based.

[33:38] There's always contingencies, and you did take put contingencies in here.

[33:58] So, you know, Council, you've heard from the public, you've driven it, you've seen it yourself, you understand if we understand it also the condition of the road.

[34:08] This is, this is not something you've led you for, this is something you bond law.

[34:13] So, you, you know, basically you'll do this.

[34:16] If you're going to move forward with this, you could, you can consider doing this as a one off, or you can consider doing a slightly larger bond that we covered this and maybe two roads as a road program next year.

[34:27] like a mini-road program in addition to the Tall Timber, we would be talking about that during

[34:33] budget time, but you certainly aren't doing it this year.

[34:41] Moving ahead, obviously, we want to get this done, but if we can partner that with some other

[34:50] things that we need to do and if we are going to bond

[34:54] for the whole package, you know, so that would put us what

[34:59] into the spring or where would that, well,

[35:04] time where would that put us about, like we were going to,

[35:08] we could take, you might be able to bond this year or you could do it

[35:13] after the first of the year. Either way, you're not going to do any

[35:15] design and bidding and all that until the spring or something or anyway,

[35:19] Yeah. So, you know, it's not the timing of the bond is not crucial. Knowing that we just need

[35:26] to know that we're going to do sometime, I don't know, June, July next year, we're

[35:30] milling and paving. I don't know if that should be sufficient time after our work is done.

[35:36] You know, you're looking to six, seven, eight months after our work is done for everything.

[35:40] Let me see this after our work is done and of course there's going to be still problems

[35:52] with the road.

[35:55] Are we able to go in there ourselves and correct that as best we can because we're never

[36:07] going to fix the pot holes until we totally do the whole road over.

[36:11] We know that.

[36:13] But the conditions are such that those people have to drive over those panels, especially as

[36:18] you first go in.

[36:22] And I guess I'm looking at, is there some way that we can notify and at least let the

[36:29] residents know that we're going to try to do everything in our power to get that as workable

[36:37] possible before we can move to the final conclusion.

[36:41] That's one of the things I can be so proud of.

[36:43] Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[36:44] I mean, we could patch all day long.

[36:46] But there's a couple spots that need more than action.

[36:48] Okay. So we just have to go out and we need to box them out,

[36:52] identify them, and work with a probably a contractor to help us with

[36:56] tall cut, a quick zipper mill.

[36:59] And I'm just saying, we're trying to buy time until we can get to the

[37:06] where we can take a better look at this or bonding power and so on and so forth.

[37:11] But for the residents that live there,

[37:16] I would hope that we would do everything that we're capable of doing

[37:19] to make utilization of those people coming and going to work to school

[37:25] to personal things, to business, to family functions, just everyday act.

[37:30] activity. As, you know, as comfortable as possible without, you know, going over, you know,

[37:38] we're going to, we want to do it after we've going in with the utility job.

[37:44] Okay. Because we're going to be out there. Well, I'm saying, I'm not, yeah, I'm not saying.

[37:48] And are utility people will probably be our staff. We'll probably do the ones that go out and fix some of those bad areas.

[37:54] But I just hate to see us put a lot of effort to do that.

[37:57] It doesn't make sense to do that.

[37:59] We're throwing away time and effort.

[38:01] Yeah.

[38:02] It doesn't make sense.

[38:03] I understand that.

[38:05] I'm just looking that moving forward until we can get.

[38:10] You know, yes.

[38:11] So that we have.

[38:13] We're doing everything that we can do to make the situation as good as we can under the circumstances.

[38:19] And we'll tie their restoration of their trench in with

[38:23] fixing some of the areas that we identify.

[38:26] Okay.

[38:26] Anything else on that?

[38:29] Okay.

[38:29] Moving along.

[38:31] New business.

[38:32] There's a proposal for dates for 20, 27 council meetings.

[38:36] You have that in your package.

[38:49] More.

[38:50] You want to build more?

[38:51] Yeah.

[38:52] Thanks.

[38:54] More.

[38:55] You didn't build more.

[38:56] You think you're good?

[38:58] You think you're good?

[38:59] Listen.

[39:11] I'd like to talk about maybe moving to two meetings a month versus three if we can get it done.

[39:21] Why,

[39:25] why don't I just don't see the need for three meetings a month.

[39:29] Well, why do we want to reduce the opportunity for the public to come in and speak to us by 25%.

[39:36] listen, that's my recommendation.

[39:40] That's that's how I feel. I mean, honestly, a couple of us

[39:44] ran on me, I ran on making sure everybody's voice is heard and it sure doesn't seem like.

[39:51] Well, cutting it down by 25% is. There's not a whole lot of people in here. It's not like you're

[39:58] cutting anyone off from speaking and I've never heard there. I don't want banter back and forth.

[40:06] that's my right one. You put a proposal on comments on that. Everybody has the

[40:15] what you're sick. I acquired about this. We talked about it.

[40:21] I tend to agree with the mayor from a standpoint. I don't want to send a message.

[40:30] If our administration can do it within two minutes,

[40:33] I'm fine, whatever we do.

[40:35] However, I'm not a real big fan of cutting off access,

[40:42] public access.

[40:44] I'd rather have public, we lost the Zoom

[40:47] because of all kind of craziness that you had people

[40:50] that you feel a community came to pay.

[40:53] Now we don't have that.

[40:54] The only former communication they have

[40:57] If they call somebody and if they come to a public meeting, now you're right, they're going to be times, there's going to be people here and all depends what the issue is.

[41:06] You know, if you have a hot issue or whatever, I know that Fred's talked to me, he's talked to Tom Tom's indicated, yeah, it can be done.

[41:18] You know, whether we go to, to me and I asked a question, what was it done like this?

[41:26] I guess this is how it was standing operating order.

[41:30] Well, it's just how we did things.

[41:32] I don't think we could put ourselves the same category

[41:35] of anybody else.

[41:36] I know that the mayor, and I know myself,

[41:38] and I know Gina, and I'm sure you too,

[41:40] Brett, we've all run on trying to make ourselves more accessible

[41:43] to the people.

[41:45] I used to be that people.

[41:47] Yeah.

[41:50] And to be able to come and have the conversation

[41:52] with council when something happens, then having

[41:55] to wait three weeks in order to be able to come in or additional weeks to be able to come in

[42:02] throughout the entire year. I don't know. I'm just really, I'm against cutting off the public.

[42:09] And all you do then is end up with more misinformation on that Facebook page because we don't have

[42:16] an opportunity to preempt it. That's just my opinion. I'm not a voting member of the council and it's

[42:22] You're meeting, thank you. That's why I can.

[42:24] John, for our field, take me one meeting away, is it going to be a problem?

[42:33] The eight other aspects of it is that we're like him.

[42:38] I'm going to say it's one meeting along.

[42:41] I don't think that's going to be really taking anything away from the public.

[42:45] The other aspect of it is that our business becomes something where we need more.

[42:49] can always do a special meeting.

[42:52] Y'all were hired with this meeting, with this many 32 meetings.

[42:58] We were all hired with 32 meetings.

[43:00] This is my, I don't see where you're going with this.

[43:03] I mean, I'm making a record of that.

[43:05] You're not cutting off the public yet.

[43:07] Wait, wait a minute.

[43:08] You're cutting them off on the other side.

[43:09] You're cutting them off on the other side.

[43:14] You put something on the table, okay?

[43:17] And it's a council meeting.

[43:19] The mayor will be recognized in America.

[43:21] as an opinion, like a strong opinion, like everybody else, I stated what I said. I want to hear from

[43:27] other councilmen, Prattinaro, spoke out, I don't know where the ladies are, but you put a proposal on the table.

[43:37] Now, we either go with what's been in our packet and what we've done forever that we've tried to

[43:44] create and atmosphere out there that we're totally transparent to people or all of a sudden,

[43:50] you know, we want to come up with a different plan.

[43:52] There's two ways to look at that.

[43:54] It's a practical, yeah, maybe it is.

[43:56] And we could get things done.

[43:57] However, what message are we sending to people?

[44:00] I don't know.

[44:01] I have a question.

[44:03] If it were to go to two meetings,

[44:06] would you recommend the first and the third?

[44:09] And then if a special meeting or additional meeting

[44:15] was needed, because I feel like we have an executive meeting

[44:20] and then we have a work exception meeting.

[44:23] There hasn't been anything outside of the youth alliance

[44:27] for the league that we had to have a work session for.

[44:35] Actually, you could comment on that.

[44:37] The work session is not really becoming.

[44:39] Really?

[44:39] We treat work sessions just like regular.

[44:42] Because we're moving business.

[44:45] Because things come along, especially,

[44:47] Something can pop up on your desk that needs attention to, especially if it requires us lose and money or something or something that's going to be a benefit to us.

[45:00] You know, and you stop and you have to take a look at what you're doing.

[45:06] Well, so the question, I think the question was whether it's the first, first and second, or first and third.

[45:14] First of all, let me answer that we can make do with two meetings under the, like, prompt payment laws and all the different things we have to do.

[45:21] I know we can make the payments we get authorization for bills. That doesn't concern me.

[45:26] Anything that comes up, we can quickly, very easily, especially under the new guidelines for public notices, schedule meeting.

[45:34] I think that probably the first and third would be the best, just simply because there is a very long run that could happen on those fifth Wednesday months that, you know, there could be some points.

[45:47] I don't like that. I don't personally like that.

[45:51] So that means 1st and 3rd would be in your best interest to keep coming up.

[45:55] Just 10, and Nancy can back me up.

[46:00] The Tashup does a lot of ordinances within one month.

[46:04] Usually on the 1st and the 3rd because you need statutory time periods built.

[46:08] Right, well that's what I was saying.

[46:10] So if you went to 1st and 2nd, what you really do is slow down your ability.

[46:14] Right, a whole month later.

[46:16] Which we don't I don't think we want to do that. We want to we want to

[46:20] We want to hear if it was to you're suggesting the first and third. Yeah, because at the time that it takes to move

[46:27] Yeah, well ordinances have to be published and then they have to you know, you got seven days ten days after adoption

[46:33] You got a period that you have to pay attention to and if you stayed at first and second

[46:37] You couldn't do an ordinance within two months

[46:40] Yeah, we could have creating issues with our for ourselves if there's, you know, certain things that maybe we could have ready for a meeting that weren't that had a deadline and then we're trying to see if we can get a core for a special meeting and.

[46:56] Well, so you're.

[46:57] How do you feel?

[46:59] I mean, listen, I.

[47:01] I'm.

[47:05] I'm.

[47:07] that there's so many of these states, there are Wednesdays when I came to speak before I was

[47:11] on council where I couldn't make every Wednesday. So I was happy that there were a few months.

[47:17] I mean, I would be, I mean, if there was a month here and there where you felt you wanted

[47:21] to take it down to two, maybe there months when we have slower business, maybe that's something

[47:26] we came into the middle about. But I do like, I prefer that residents have many meeting options

[47:38] I'm going to say this, I really didn't look at this part of me, but you know, I've been away, so I don't, I haven't really totally digested all of it, you know, to check with other communities. What are other communities doing Tom as far as meetings?

[48:00] it varies by community I would say three. Why? Why would it vary? Tell me why it would

[48:06] vary. Why do you think it varies?

[48:10] I think it's the way the community grew up and developed.

[48:14] Okay. There are things that are unique to Florence, you know, place collection trash.

[48:19] Right. That's the same exact thing I said earlier. Yeah, but if you touch it, it's a, it's a, it's a,

[48:25] real. Three meetings a month is kind of unusual. Two meetings a month is probably more standard.

[48:33] My experience with one, once a month meetings unless you're a tiny community is they turn

[48:38] in the marathons. One of the things that's beneficial to more meetings is you have more opportunities

[48:49] to let the steam out, people can come and say, you know, this is that if you listen the number

[48:57] of times that happens, then everyone's like, I taught me to fix something or report on something

[49:02] or, and you know, then the reports get longer, so you're trying to get longer, the resolutions get

[49:07] longer, and you could, you know, end up, you know, that would be a once a month meeting, to, you know, twice a month

[49:17] That's probably what a lot of accounts.

[49:21] You know, I'm thinking back, you know, I know my account does it.

[49:24] I know Hamilton, yeah, the Mercer County does it.

[49:29] I think we're only going to get a check, that's it.

[49:32] Should there's issues that we want to go to one and it's for our meeting.

[49:37] Yeah.

[49:38] That's for a look down that size.

[49:40] But it is hard to advance legislation when you get down to that field.

[49:44] it takes two months to do it with a piece of

[49:46] an ordinance, you know, a 20 day

[49:49] hour. I don't want to slow the process down.

[49:53] Shame on us if we would, you know,

[49:56] moving it.

[49:57] Absolutely. Yeah.

[49:59] It's certainly wouldn't if you do first and third.

[50:02] If you wouldn't want to do first and second one,

[50:04] you've never wanted to want to.

[50:06] Right.

[50:09] Okay.

[50:12] So.

[50:12] How some in Gabriel puts,

[50:14] I'm sorry, what put your motion.

[50:18] The recommendation, what's the move in two meetings a month?

[50:23] Whether it be the first two or the first and the

[50:30] third,

[50:30] second to that, second.

[50:34] Did you have any questions?

[50:37] I don't.

[50:38] I have a question.

[50:40] So, because I like your genus compromised,

[50:47] of where if the agenda was slow, could the meeting be,

[50:52] cancel meeting like we do in the planning board because we don't have any if we don't have

[50:57] an office or if it's just we just that ever happy where we don't have a topic but we can always

[51:04] just add a meeting. Yeah but is it easy? I think it's hard.

[51:11] What's easier? We're building attendance. We're going

[51:15] to know that we have the ability to use a window. We're going to fill those Wednesdays with things

[51:20] as they come in. If we only have two Wednesdays, we're going to take that stuff, but it

[51:25] on those Wednesdays. You could be four Wednesdays. I'm going to fill your

[51:29] agenda. Fill your reach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not getting bored, that is

[51:33] the stuff. I mean, we'd get to have a light meeting. But you can, it's I think today it's

[51:39] easier to add a meeting because of the way we do public nice out. I mean, it's very easy

[51:44] with the public notice now, just being on the website.

[51:47] So we're going to be easy to get a quorum.

[51:54] Well, and you're still limiting your residents' ability

[52:01] to come, because it's going to be based on what we think.

[52:04] We're going to add a meeting, which we have an agenda item,

[52:07] not because there's a whole bunch of residents

[52:08] that are upset about something that want to come and talk to us.

[52:12] It just changes the ability for them to come in and speak.

[52:18] I can hear the, I can hear the Facebook page now if I'm changing.

[52:23] Okay.

[52:23] Not another recommendation, so we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

[52:52] So from January to May, is budget seized.

[52:58] So you would want to use one of those meetings.

[53:05] It's, it's, I, unless you want to fill, let's say you didn't have them, you're still going to do the business, we're still going to do this Saturdays unless you tell me otherwise because I think that's very productive.

[53:18] the Saturday budget evening. Yes. Well, if you don't necessarily need them all, but it does give you maybe one day of pressure relief for budget purposes only.

[53:36] We could do it. We could make anything more.

[53:39] on your schedule.

[53:42] I mean, June, what about, like, for example, June, we think would be safe to,

[53:54] would we need

[53:54] three or would we need two?

[53:56] There's nothing that I could think of and I have to ask Nancy and Janice if they take

[54:00] of anything in June timeframe.

[54:03] I mean, do we reach, do I mean, like, so you're saying, and so essentially what you're saying

[54:07] is take the third meeting from October, possibly.

[54:14] I mean, I feel like December would be right before the budget,

[54:18] maybe there would be things that I potentially come up.

[54:22] Any budget information you're going to get in November, December?

[54:25] It's going to be sent to you, not really conversation.

[54:29] Because it's going to be so extremely preliminary.

[54:32] I mean, we really get into the throws of it in January.

[54:35] because we need to close out, get a understanding where we are.

[54:40] If you wanted to...

[54:41] I mean, November December also is when we bring in new people that are either elected

[54:48] or whatever to get accustomed to being on council as well.

[54:53] So, I'm going to...

[54:55] I'm going to...

[54:56] I, you know, I can appreciate everybody's fields and things and so on and so forth.

[55:08] Completely convinced.

[55:09] some more of a mind that I think, now more than ever,

[55:16] the way things are in our country,

[55:20] all the bloney that goes on,

[55:21] the people's lack of trust in government.

[55:25] I think it's important for us to be as transparent as possible

[55:29] and to make ourselves available to the public.

[55:35] I mean, I'll live with anything that goes obviously,

[55:38] but that's just like that's that's my professional bit.

[55:43] So do you guys take a vote on it?

[55:45] Yeah, we have the answer.

[55:46] Okay.

[55:48] So there's a motion second,

[55:49] roll calls please.

[55:52] Mr. Pratt's an order.

[55:56] Mr. Gabriel.

[55:59] Ms. Lothan.

[56:00] No.

[56:03] Ms. Sullivan?

[56:05] Mr. Propole.

[56:06] No.

[56:07] Okay. That's defeated.

[56:10] Now, I will say this, that if, in fact, moving forward, that we have these things in place,

[56:22] if for some reason there isn't a need either because of just a lack of, you know, and maybe

[56:34] we instead of call it a work session, we call three council sessions.

[56:40] So, I mean, it does

[56:42] that make a difference from a standpoint, because if I would do anything, it would be first

[56:48] and third. I would never go one and two. I just think that's too long a period of time and especially

[56:54] when it comes to hearings on audiences and stuff like that. It takes you, you would introduce

[56:59] at the beginning, you have to go a whole month before you get any movement on that. That doesn't make sense.

[57:05] You talk about government grinding to a halt. Okay, all right. Okay, moving along.

[57:16] Can I just ask, are you approving those dates? Well, right now the proposal went down. So now we

[57:24] need a motion to approve the dates that you're right that what was proposed.

[57:31] Yes, I understand you need that. I understand that. Is there a motion to approve what's

[57:38] come from the clerk's office reference to the 2027 Council calendar so she could start building

[57:49] calendar. Make a motion. Motion made by

[57:53] Councilman Gabriel. Second of that.

[57:58] Second by

[57:59] Councilman. The law of anything on the question.

[58:03] I don't need a roll call vote or just a.

[58:07] Or.

[58:07] Let's do roll call. Okay, roll call.

[58:09] Move please. Mr. Fratzenard.

[58:11] No. Mr. Gabriel.

[58:16] There's often. Yes.

[58:20] Mr. Sullivan. Yes.

[58:25] Mr.

[58:27] Okay, that brings us into Board of Health. We have nothing. I think under miscellaneous.

[58:34] Hearing nothing. We have.

[58:36] Okay, I'm sorry.

[58:40] I have been working with Steve Zellucky, the Director of Air Force Training Program for Records,

[58:49] regarding an air study for the data center.

[58:53] His opinion is that it's not, we don't have enough time to get a baseline.

[59:00] For air study, you need around 5 to 10 years because the atmosphere changes,

[59:07] and you really want to determine whether you're getting air from the landfill,

[59:15] and that would take time to do.

[59:17] So his recommendation was that we Oprah, the PADP for their air modeling study, and that once we obtain that information, his team and students would review it to see if we had any concerns or if the study was done correctly.

[59:41] he wasn't a good good faith because everything has been fast tracks. So whatever

[59:47] modeling that the considering is the EP approved for that he would want to

[59:53] review on behalf of guards. So I just wanted to to make that note that I

[1:00:00] So what would happen from this point then? So we don't have any baseline data that we could use in court to say that there's been a change in our aid from the 280 natural.

[1:00:15] Let me check with Mayor Lagos and Warden Town, because when all of this came about, that

[1:00:23] we realized this is happening, and we've been working together along with the mayor

[1:00:29] from Fieldsboro and Warden Town Obrough, all the documents related to the Falls Township

[1:00:38] Data Center.

[1:00:39] So this information may be part of that Obrough request.

[1:00:42] I just don't know because she opened false township.

[1:00:45] She didn't open the PADEP that I'm aware of.

[1:00:51] So she may have this information on the challenge.

[1:00:53] I'm going to be able to provide that at her next.

[1:00:56] Well, I'll reach out to her and find out if she received anything related to air quality.

[1:01:02] Okay, okay.

[1:01:03] Because I mean, they should have, I would imagine they've done something because that was the

[1:01:07] whole reason that they had the meeting in false township had to do with their air quality

[1:01:11] Yeah, all right, so we'll work together on right, making whatever public records request.

[1:01:17] I'm sorry. Thank you. Second session public comment.

[1:01:21] And when wishing to speak, please come forward.

[1:01:25] State your name.

[1:01:27] And address speak to public or just a touch of counsel.

[1:01:34] Thank you guys for getting this project moving. I know it's a big undertaking.

[1:01:40] I know Tom said that he was going to get a letter out. Hopefully, it'll, I mean, some of the questions that we have, I guess I can address here, or I can shoot you more email.

[1:01:50] I'd love to have an email from you because I'll make sure that I cover everyone.

[1:01:53] I'd like to ask you because then they sit at inbox.

[1:01:55] It's like, okay.

[1:01:55] Because I can move it to.

[1:01:57] Plus I'll address all of your questions and then any that I anticipate from the public.

[1:02:02] Yeah.

[1:02:02] I mean, because we have talked around now.

[1:02:04] We've seen it about there's only 42 homes in there.

[1:02:05] So, but I will shoot that off, and I guess my one question that I have that I feel for everybody just

[1:02:14] roll on the same page, what is the after-do-do utility work are you paving where you dug up or

[1:02:21] we just leaving dirt and rock to settle the base down?

[1:02:24] That's what I was bringing up about.

[1:02:26] That's where I wasn't here.

[1:02:28] No, once our utility work is done, each day they'll close it probably with a, you have your

[1:02:33] like that. And then they'll wipe off certain pieces of it when they feel like they've stabilized

[1:02:37] to the point where they're going to be asphalting the trench. Okay, so our statement over

[1:02:42] the winter, we should have an asphalt. If you have a trench open over the winter, we have a

[1:02:49] search problem. Why don't we have a trench is now? Yeah, no hard guys definitely are going to be closing

[1:02:55] not getting it as full, a trench will be as full, okay. Yeah, all right. Thank you.

[1:03:01] It'll be patched up until the time that the whole surface gets re-done.

[1:03:05] Right. Okay. I just, I wasn't clear on that either.

[1:03:07] The asphalt patch would probably be better than the route. Oh, 100%.

[1:03:11] Okay. Or the patch or the patch you never tried to do to a problem. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Anyone else?

[1:03:18] Anyone else? Motion to close. Motion to close. Motion to close.

[1:03:22] Councilman, Matt Nortos, seconded at second my Councilman of Sullivan, on favor indicate by saying aye.

[1:03:31] Chair will attend a motion to adjourn for this evening, motion made by Councilwoman Sullivan second.

[1:03:41] Councilman Gabriel on favor indicate by saying aye.

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