[0:02] Commencing of planning and zoning meeting for Wednesday, August 12, 2026. Present, Rowan Dutson,

[0:15] Raleigh Franklin, Don Jensen, Brandon Jacobs.

[0:20] So first on the agenda, Kelly Bowen, conditional

[0:36] We just want to fill up the time that we're not using it.

[0:41] We're exactly zip up down in Barry Beller.

[0:43] Yeah, it's in Barry Bell on the end of Overlook Lane.

[0:46] That's where I wasn't sure where Overlook Lane was.

[0:50] So it just adds to the...

[0:52] It's kind of where the A-frames are up there that have been.

[0:54] The white and black.

[0:55] this is the black and white one yes exactly so yeah we wanted to just try and

[1:01] fill up the time we're not using it ourselves we'd like to spend as much time

[1:05] as we can and we love it down there. So you just ran up and tell you his

[1:10] move come down and he's up and continuing that nut? Correct.

[2:34] People actually live up

[2:35] there.

[2:38] Um nobody full time. Other than who will stay seen.

[2:46] We'll be on your

[2:47] own.

[2:51] Going to stay seen.

[3:52] That's probably here, right? Huh? That's just right here.

[3:55] But additionally, yeah, you have to re submit every year.

[4:08] Is that the same as the business license that could be out of the year as well?

[4:13] You just, yeah as far enough, just to make sure that the town has your information, not

[4:21] you change it.

[4:29] We need to turn to the planet too.

[8:02] You just want to rent a place out?

[8:04] Yeah, it's just actually

[8:12] to prove it.

[8:13] Yes. I

[8:36] don't see anything about it. I've got genemies. I told them I didn't get it, but I did. I just messed up.

[9:07] I didn't think about it. I did try it next to it. One of the last was 3, 4, 6, 8 and this is 3, 3, 6.

[9:24] How do you say it?

[9:25] For Nesco?

[9:26] Yes.

[9:32] Same story.

[9:33] Thank you.

[9:34] Do you live under the law or do you just plan to look?

[9:38] Right now just we're going to rent it and hopefully come as much as we can.

[9:42] My husband has to work in Texas so you don't come up but?

[9:48] We come here at least like six times a year.

[9:53] I've been here for like a month and a half now.

[9:58] And you were just up there by the very same?

[10:00] Yeah, it's like about a block form where it's bigger

[10:15] out of place so we don't have to work.

[10:19] If you figure that out, you'll be sure to call me.

[10:27] I motion to approve.

[10:31] Yes.

[10:33] Passing anonymously.

[10:34] I'm

[11:56] on agenda.

[11:57] Alton and Darcy Chamberlain, additional yeast permit.

[12:01] So

[12:04] we had it's just right up here on Don Potter and Ham's place. It's been an Airbnb. We're just switching,

[12:12] Managerie.

[12:13] Got a trailer?

[12:14] Her good.

[12:15] That was the same story.

[12:18] It's the duplex right in front of this door.

[12:20] It's where Pearl's been living.

[12:23] Yes.

[12:24] Yeah.

[12:25] So it's probably redundant just to ask for that.

[12:30] I don't think it was done before.

[12:33] Oh, on the back part.

[12:35] It's the 16 to 80.

[12:36] Lizzy is Canyon Road.

[12:38] Okay, that's a different one.

[12:39] We have two lives.

[12:42] That was the only one I see in the middle.

[12:45] Okay.

[12:46] What that one is is Jeremy and Betty have been running the campground

[12:49] over there for the last seven years.

[12:52] They're getting pretty busy and stuff.

[12:54] And so we're just going to get that over.

[12:55] We're changing the branding.

[12:56] and everything else is based on what's been going on.

[13:03] Let's figure this out first and see what we're talking about.

[13:13] The math abilities.

[13:15] No, on your condition, you've come in.

[13:19] This is up here, do you know what the story units are?

[13:23] Yeah, there's uh, it's on bargain.

[13:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[14:04] You've got it right now is a rental, don't you?

[14:08] So yes, what are we changing?

[14:10] So it's a duplex and the front part we're going to keep an Airbnb but the back part we wanted to have our clinic are like

[14:17] wellness clinic and Ivy therapy and stuff like that so I didn't know if it was conditional use or not

[14:23] Also, we thought we'd just get on here just in case.

[14:26] You just have to remember that.

[14:27] Do you have a business license from all of that thing?

[14:31] For bulk items.

[14:32] Yes, just to be just today, do you know what I'm talking about?

[14:37] From there, yeah.

[14:40] I'm really, really keen.

[14:43] When you, for the IV, what did you say it was the other day?

[14:49] So it'll be, it's, I am having a health and wellness.

[14:51] So it will be like a wellness clinic, I think therapy, some Botox, some massage, some aesthetic, also some...

[15:00] If there's behavioral health, I do think housing as well. So just kind of a bonus clinic. Well, makeup. Part of the area with the separate includes. Yes, so. I would say that needs to have. The inspector come look at it. Make sure that's up the par. Okay. So just so he walks it just within that mic. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[15:30] I would just say because of your chain because I don't know if there's other rules with your being medical

[15:39] Because if they're just have to have a handicap brand all that kind of stuff. I don't know it. That's fair. Yeah

[15:47] Blurry Laurie

[16:36] I don't know what that would be, but just for him to look at it for safety reasons.

[16:44] That what covers you covers us and then after he gets that we come back next month

[16:50] Or is it does it just go to you guys? I would say

[16:55] There's an issue and yeah, you would come back

[16:59] He just applied talk to him to say

[17:03] Check it out make sure

[17:05] There's no

[17:11] Any other

[17:17] Well, maybe just if there's any kind of electrical issue or something like that too, we're

[17:25] fun if you know me, different breakers or whatever I don't know what you have for you.

[17:29] Yeah, we've never done this before, so we're just, yeah, we'll think you're at all though.

[17:37] So we'll talk to Canada tomorrow and we'll figure it out when I'll give you a call and that

[17:42] I don't know where else you can come in in the morning again.

[17:45] Yeah, yeah.

[17:46] Thank you.

[17:47] Thanks.

[17:51] I say we can recommend it under the condition that it passes

[17:56] in inspection.

[17:57] Yeah, yeah.

[17:58] So is that some good?

[18:01] Yeah.

[18:01] So motion to recommend under the condition

[18:05] that they have an inspector.

[18:09] So you want to just put a proof under the condition.

[18:12] Yeah, that way we won't have to go through or try to find.

[18:15] Yeah.

[18:16] So I thank you.

[18:23] You all have a second. How did you guys lie? Yes, we did.

[18:27] Oh, sir. I'll give it for you first. Yes. All right. Passing endlessly.

[18:45] Does it have a name here? Is that your name?

[18:48] No, it's the other half of this, though. We're going to discuss this. The ladies came home.

[18:58] No, you're doing's changing names, right?

[19:01] Changing, like, yeah, because...

[19:03] Just name, name, name, name, name, and that's what I'm just saying.

[19:11] So you're not adding anything?

[19:13] Well, we might be adding more activities, events, and things like that.

[19:18] You're talking about all, like, around the Pavilion.

[19:20] Around the Pavilion, right?

[19:21] Not really.

[19:21] Bringing a family reunion or something.

[19:24] But there won't be more rentals or anything like that.

[19:29] If we do decide we have to come back here, right?

[19:32] Okay, and then right now it's your status law.

[19:35] Yeah, you change anything, it needs to, and then, same thing is every one of them, Mike

[19:44] or one of us, if we, and it needs to have a signature on it before she gives it, that you

[19:52] give us permission to check your properties. So, whether we do not, but it's just so

[20:04] let's for public safety.

[20:13] Fourth on agenda. Jody Palmer, your snow use permit.

[20:27] So we're

[20:36] Well, there's a condition of use and there's a lot of split and they're different.

[20:41] Yeah, but that's a good change, that's a difference.

[20:45] So they're both a chamber, but I mean, the other half of the albums, they're just reading

[20:56] So Jeremy and Betty were in charge of it while they weren't living here and now they're living here and they're going to take it over to a name change of this business license and everything.

[21:07] But none of these, that conditional use permits people, so that's

[21:14] new to all of us.

[21:35] You're not doing a lot split or anything.

[21:39] That's not bad.

[21:41] No.

[21:42] Is that bad?

[21:45] They will say, came or none, but they're doing different things.

[21:47] For this one.

[21:48] Yeah.

[21:48] That means that.

[21:49] Yeah.

[21:50] That's for the show.

[21:52] It's kind of like a spank shirt.

[21:53] Yeah.

[21:54] Situation.

[21:56] It's for the show.

[21:57] Okay.

[21:57] You're right.

[21:59] Yeah I'm saying, that's all we're doing basically.

[22:03] Yeah, you're doing it.

[22:04] I get there any more.

[22:10] Just so you know, if you do something different you come to us.

[22:14] That's when she asked to like post it.

[22:16] Everybody votes on it at this far.

[22:19] Okay.

[22:20] Any of you may wish to have an issue.

[22:23] Okay, so.

[22:26] Yeah.

[22:28] So, if you have the max from the number of audits,

[22:31] it's 55.

[22:32] five.

[22:33] Just a few things are waiting here.

[22:35] Yeah,

[22:41] sorry.

[22:43] Oops.

[22:44] That's all.

[22:50] Let me sit and do it again.

[22:51] Sorry.

[22:52] I motioned to pass it.

[22:54] Oh yeah.

[22:55] Second.

[22:56] We're on the table.

[22:58] Thanks.

[22:58] Thank you.

[23:01] Number four is Jody Palmer.

[23:04] Am I saying that right?

[23:06] Yes.

[23:07] Additional use permit.

[23:12] This is for your house, please.

[23:14] Yes.

[23:21] Well each one of you also give her a picture of your property just a few

[23:29] pictures just so she hasn't in the record with it.

[23:32] Yeah.

[23:33] Can you give me a little too?

[23:35] What?

[23:36] Email.

[23:37] I don't know if that will work.

[23:38] It will.

[23:38] It will work.

[23:40] It will work.

[23:42] It will work.

[23:43] It will work.

[23:46] It will work.

[23:49] It will work.

[23:56] So that's not a good impact on any of the things that have happened, so it's like an ugly building.

[24:04] What year was it built?

[24:10] That's all there.

[24:14] I would say the same thing you need to have might come and inspect it.

[24:31] So I would talk to Lori about getting a permit, whatever, just so we can just make sure there's no safety to issue.

[24:45] So

[24:48] you can do long-term rentals, not doing that, being a theme?

[24:52] Well, so we are wondering about the difference on the long term.

[24:56] So we'd like to do a long-term, like three or four,

[25:00] the bedrooms run to some ladies that are looking for a place to live.

[25:06] And then we have a separate entrance to the master bedroom bathroom.

[25:11] They were wondering if we could use that just for our cells,

[25:16] But we're not ready to do that yet, so I don't know if we need to ask for it now or if we need to just have it in the cause like down the road.

[25:27] We'd like to start renting it, but the long term rent, like next month, is possible.

[25:34] But we're just not sure on that short term rent.

[25:44] I don't think that there's anything about it, yeah.

[25:49] Only ground up properties are there out by you?

[25:54] Long-term rental or on the DMVs, whatever?

[25:58] On the side of the box.

[26:01] Just standing there by the bottom.

[26:03] There's about a third of the way up.

[26:12] So you're talking how many people?

[26:17] Five.

[26:18] Well, I didn't know there's one lady that she might have a young daughter.

[26:26] And so on the permit thing, I was just saying just in case there might be, you know, like

[26:32] something like that, a situation like that that someone would have like their daughter,

[26:37] or like a small daughter in with them.

[26:41] I just, I put it more than that,

[26:43] but I'm the only thinking like three or four people,

[26:47] and then if you did the short term rental,

[26:49] then like two people may be in the house.

[26:51] But I put it more than that in just a case, like,

[26:56] I, yeah, couples, or something like that.

[27:00] Do you know where your septic is?

[27:02] Yeah.

[27:04] One of the last time you serviced it?

[27:13] Yeah, I don't know the size so that's we have a huge one like 1200 gallon or whatever. Yeah, it's just that's what I'm saying if he is building permit then

[27:26] Coverage all your your ducks and then should cover all ours because then Mike can go look at it. So if you recommend you know, I don't know about your railing or anything.

[27:37] I mean, that's why it's good to have pictures beforehand so we can just like, do

[27:54] you have concerns?

[27:55] No.

[27:56] What was it, David?

[27:57] You might have signs off of it.

[27:58] Let's do the other things.

[28:01] Like hand rails and all that stuff.

[28:03] And make sure, you know, that there's fire, there's good ways to get in and out.

[28:07] The windows are kind of quick for things like that.

[28:10] That's what they're trying to mimic.

[28:15] Have one check all about.

[28:29] Yeah. So that'll

[28:34] just have that condition where you need to pass with my, so a motion

[28:42] to approve under the condition that passes inspection.

[28:46] Sorry.

[28:48] Third.

[28:49] It's passed unanimously.

[28:51] We

[29:43] talked about the one that we just re-zoned.

[29:47] I think we need a TV, hang on.

[30:00] Directed at me. Jeremy, can you hear me?

[30:11] No, I'm taking off here.

[30:17] Yeah, he is. He was just leaving

[30:20] Provo about six.

[30:30] Hey, how can you hear me? Yes. Okay. So I missed. I was textual already,

[30:37] teller, we couldn't speak unless you guys let us in all right. But who's your question

[30:43] Yeah, so Jeremy and Nathan Chamberlain lost split so what is what are you asking or what do you need?

[30:55] Okay, so it's actually a lost split for my dad. My dad owns the property. He is actually the one that is splitting the lot.

[31:04] are sweating with parcels in the two separate parcels?

[31:09] Is that the same one we've already went through?

[31:11] Is this a totally separate one?

[31:13] So what we went through was its own change.

[31:17] We had the zone change it or it would have started into two,

[31:24] or one illegal loss with two illegal lots.

[31:29] Okay.

[31:29] For parcels, I shouldn't say a lot.

[31:31] It's not part of the subdivision.

[31:32] They're just parcels. And so we went through the zone change to make it where we could

[31:39] split the parcel into two separate parcels, and now we're just asking if they've got nothing

[31:48] to change. Right, so they still meet the minimum acreage requirements.

[31:55] That correct. Now it does. Now that it's zoned five acres, one parcel is 6.9 watts, and the

[32:02] the other one, 7.213 or something like that, or over the five.

[32:08] Yeah, correct.

[32:13] They haven't been assigned parcels numbers yet.

[32:17] That was on the application.

[32:19] They haven't been assigned tax ID number or parcel number yet,

[32:23] because it hasn't been recorded because they were being

[32:27] split illegally prior to the zone change.

[32:30] So we'll have those assigned as soon as it records.

[32:42] 6.9 in that and 7.2.6.

[33:03] So you built my houses on them or what are you doing with them?

[33:07] They're going to sit for now.

[33:09] We don't have any plans right now.

[33:11] Do anything else?

[33:13] When we talk to Nathan, he was saying he's not in the move.

[33:17] He turned it into a rental place.

[33:26] I don't know what Nathan's planning on doing.

[33:28] I don't have any plans to do anything but I mean if I do then I guess we'll

[33:37] process that for it's what it happens.

[33:54] Anybody have anything to add to it?

[34:03] to even sing them up.

[34:05] And I can hear them.

[34:08] They're pretty small.

[34:19] Let's say you pass it since it's 169.

[34:25] Let's see the other one.

[34:27] Part of the reason why we're doing it as well is

[34:32] there are two silos that we have built up there

[34:35] are already on this parcel of land.

[34:38] There

[34:41] was a,

[34:44] anyway, between me and my dad, we messed up the lot line and so we're off

[34:55] about 110 feet and this is real hiding out lot line to where we actually on the land

[35:02] now where our silos are.

[35:13] Motion to pass,

[35:20] gone. Yes.

[35:22] You know, Adamus.

[35:26] Thank you guys. Yep.

[35:39] Number six on the agenda. Address ordinance for a

[35:44] uniform system. So the county sent an email, so this is in your

[35:51] page. There's quite a bit of information there. I'm not sure what

[35:56] Lindell address ordinances are but I know that you're able to pick your own until I came along.

[36:02] So I think this is a wonderful thing but that's the county ordinance and then I said there's

[36:08] some other information. There's a pamphlet from Washington City. How they do theirs which granted

[36:14] it's a lot bigger than us but still there's some good information in there. So they want us as a

[36:23] make one of our own if we don't already have one which makes sense because down here on

[36:31] Main Street that side should be even I think and one of the house who is 55 South and it

[36:43] should be 50-sale.

[36:46] Down there were all the school-timey house we'd are.

[36:54] So you don't get your own package because the address

[36:57] doesn't make sense?

[37:01] That's not the only reason, but that's the reason.

[37:09] So I just gave you information.

[37:11] Do you guys and the city council, do they want us to make up?

[37:19] but are

[37:22] they asking that we approve for an ordinance for it?

[37:26] No, but I am presented it to the City Council yet

[37:30] because their meeting was already this month.

[37:32] Oh.

[37:33] So just basically review it and then see what I recommend

[37:37] on it, see what they've got.

[37:39] We'll have a look in the old folks, see if there is one.

[37:42] Yeah, we'll have to research our ordinances

[37:43] that we have currently in, see.

[37:46] Like, as far as I know, it's never had much to say.

[37:50] I want to thank so many there.

[38:02] I think it's a big good thing. Well, especially people who live in

[38:06] packages, but I like it in your mouth.

[38:13] It's a little bit different from 55 East to the 13th

[38:17] North, whatever it is.

[38:35] So what is this second one? That's the general plan. So the third base is what Kevin

[38:41] has sent those are just their information. Yeah public opinion that we can get from our own

[38:51] cities and so I just attached all four surveys so you can see kind of what's on and which ones.

[39:01] They're just to give you an idea if you do want to have a town survey you can ask questions in all

[39:07] kinds of ways. And so, this is suggesting any questions that you would ask. This is basically

[39:14] giving you an idea. Maybe there are some questions there that, you know, are like, maybe we should

[39:21] ask about this or that. So, that's just informational for now. We're not really together, it's sort of

[39:28] a question of basic, basically that. And we can do a survey through the text my gov app, so.

[39:35] But

[39:38] the main thing on the general plan is just, if you have a chance to look at the policies,

[39:44] the goals and policies that are in the current plan, just want to go over those and just

[39:51] point out a few things that I saw on the general plan is very vague.

[39:57] It's very, well, some of us are very vague.

[40:00] outdated.

[40:05] And mostly I mean it's 25 years old so it's ready to be at least looked

[40:16] at again. So if you turn, if you have the general time like you, if you have the

[40:21] amount of the amount of time. So if you just turn the page again, how many people are being

[40:27] so white. You know, it's probably maybe you could leave whenever you want. I'm not sure

[40:32] it doesn't. You want to see it there again. Bye. I mean it's better. Thank you very much.

[40:58] So H-10, all the goals and policies are on these 4.3, and 3.13.

[41:10] So one goal related to land use, there's one goal related to consistency and infrastructure,

[41:20] so I'm not sure what that all means, but that's what I'm talking about.

[41:25] Well, that's underlined news.

[41:27] There should be lots of room.

[41:29] And then agriculture.

[41:31] Then there's an economic development heading

[41:34] where the dresses walk the business and I think that's it.

[41:40] And then public services and facilities.

[41:43] And then community character and the rest

[41:49] to pages talking about tourism and recreation.

[42:02] So one thing that I noticed as I was going through here, there's not specific goals related to, like, do you want to do anything specific on your parts?

[42:12] Do you want to do anything specific on your ball of gills?

[42:15] Do you want to do anything specific on the infrastructure?

[42:19] I'm sure those are the, so when funding agencies look at a general plan, they're going

[42:25] to look at it and see if you're planning for things that you, the town might be planning

[42:31] for funding for.

[42:32] For example, your water system, you know, there should be some clear goals not saying we

[42:39] want to add this many feet or anything, but clear maintenance goals, clear, you know,

[42:47] keep maintenance and expansion if that's a goal that you had. So when you're

[42:53] saying all these things we have no clue where to look is it because they're

[42:58] like somebody we can compare what they're asking like other towns do we have

[43:03] something to compare because it's yeah some of them are in there I mean I can

[43:09] get you some goals give you some ideas I can also go through if these are the

[43:15] The goals you would like, I can look at these and suggest some language that would fit you as a town.

[43:22] Yeah, me looking at it right now, drawing me around here.

[43:26] Okay, great image.

[43:27] You know?

[43:28] Well, in the interest just to like readies.

[43:30] Yeah, there's a nightmare.

[43:31] Yeah.

[43:32] That we just have to can...

[43:34] I can have water both.

[43:37] I think most people's gonna have to get together and get sewered on there enough time.

[43:43] I don't know, but I mean, it needs to be part of the town.

[43:48] Plenty.

[43:48] Right.

[43:49] That needs to be it.

[43:51] Be something that's written down block of clock because right now, it's just a problem.

[44:00] So, are there...

[44:01] This is really good.

[44:03] This will give me some ideas of things that I can suggest to you then.

[44:08] So, I get drainage here in town, right?

[44:12] septic is that in a specific area? Yeah, it's basically it stops north out there

[44:17] and with this part of the town, nothing that way. Okay,

[44:24] and that was the last one?

[44:25] I'm the head of the truck. And basically, you know, we can sit there and talk with

[44:33] about that, but it goes clear down to mountain caramel with septic ponds and

[44:39] and there are over it, we're in whatever you want.

[44:42] Awful, whatever you want to come up with.

[44:45] So it's like, are we just going to be adding to the problem

[44:49] that needs to be addressed, because the order bill's

[44:52] grown on the steel, it's just like it's going to just keep

[44:55] worse in that area.

[44:57] Has there been a subject study done?

[45:05] I can check that the county, because they probably would have been involved in it. There was

[45:12] What did you just ask him?

[45:14] What did you do that there was a lot?

[45:17] A septic study.

[45:20] So basically, there are some areas, like Aaron County, where that's what's limiting development.

[45:28] There's not that they have to put in sewer because there's no more capacity for.

[45:36] Yeah, that's exactly what we are from the whole system, I bet you it's way outdated.

[45:46] Our water plan is, I mean out in the mean because I've attended it, it's like hatched

[45:55] this place this year and it caused a problem somewhere else.

[45:58] Yeah.

[45:59] Okay.

[45:59] Yeah, it's basically bandage bandage, and that's like, I mean they did do a lot of work on that well

[46:10] So I don't know what

[46:13] Really

[46:14] All the water's come from ladies

[46:17] No, Matt is turning off the well and turning it on manually, but we still haven't dropped that part yet

[46:25] No, we did get some of it, but not all of it.

[46:32] So when you're talking about all these plans and stuff, and so how do who applies for the

[46:41] grants?

[46:43] So then when funding opportunities come, the town can apply, we have a gay in our office

[46:49] that reaches out to the town.

[46:51] So they reach out to the town?

[46:52] like you know this is not your key list until you well I mean and there's

[46:58] actually like the town's applied for ESD funding for the water system

[47:03] repeatedly you know so there's there's sources that they know about there

[47:08] sources we know about we just passed information on so and we're happy to

[47:13] help out if that is something that the town wants to work towards so there's

[47:19] There's federal sources, there are state sources, and sometimes they're more flesh with

[47:25] funding, sometimes they're not.

[47:28] And so, like in our office, it worked really good with communities and helping them get

[47:35] their application so that they're worded in such a way that it's going to be more advantageous

[47:45] for you as a panel.

[47:46] So, but if it's in your general plan saying we want to do that, that's what the funding

[47:54] agencies look at.

[47:55] They all ask, they just in Beaver yesterday and they said, every time we apply for funding,

[48:01] we have to provide them a copy of our general plan because they want to look and see if

[48:07] we're really planning to do this, right, or where did you just hear about the pot of money

[48:12] and now you're applying?

[48:14] Does that make sense?

[48:15] Yeah.

[48:15] Okay. So, drainage, septic water, what are the, what are the issues, I would say, sidewalking, a lot of that because it's a lot of dirt roads.

[48:30] There is no sidewalk, but I think we talked about a little while ago, like the parking area.

[48:35] Yeah, as far as that stuff.

[48:36] That's something you are going to spread to the park and then versus curtain goes.

[48:40] Yeah, kind of like the lots because all these lots are,

[48:43] Some of them are in the middle of the road, so it's just like what people claim is their property.

[48:51] Or what the city claim is their property.

[48:54] Who's responsible for moving around junk?

[49:00] Okay.

[49:02] Yeah, Drainie just told me that it would be the top four or five issues right there.

[49:08] Probably.

[49:09] What do you guys ever want to talk about making improvements to your park and you have

[49:14] all failed to get the park here?

[49:16] Well, yeah, done a little bit on the ball line, but earlier this summer.

[49:21] Yeah, they set aside a certain amount of money.

[49:24] Just hoping that same thing bandages just make it functional.

[49:29] But there are findings that periodically can be available for communities to do them.

[49:35] So I do need to put in the application for the outdoor and you should do recognition to the board. I need to maybe, you know, do you know about that?

[49:44] Yeah, let's do Friday.

[49:47] Okay, I'll do it tomorrow.

[49:48] Call Mike. He'll be back in the office tomorrow.

[49:50] Okay.

[49:52] They were wondering the town board was wondering if they could do Kerwin-Gunner with that.

[49:58] It has to be recreational or without that one.

[50:02] Yeah.

[50:03] It has to be like something that you would be doing on your park or like creating a trail

[50:09] head connecting to an existing trail system that's really good.

[50:13] Okay.

[50:13] So we don't have to be in a trail system, but they're not marked, but I'll put one in for

[50:18] the park in the ball field.

[50:19] What about the cemetery, not considered?

[50:22] That's not recreation.

[50:24] Wow.

[50:25] Sorry.

[50:26] Just asking.

[50:27] That's after wreck.

[50:29] Yeah.

[50:30] That's arrested.

[50:35] I was supposed to call and see, but anyway, my day gets away from me for the email that

[50:45] I saw, and then I'll also let my know that you are working in case you can get the data.

[50:57] The other things I saw in here were about housing and economic developments.

[51:08] In the time I've been here, my impression is that Main Street is basically, you've got

[51:18] a lot of commercial zoning facing Main Street, nothing off of Main Street.

[51:23] So is that still the focus that the community or you guys have been around you to get a

[51:30] feel for that?

[51:33] There's just not a lot of commotion.

[51:35] Yeah and it's just like I don't think anybody's as long as it's not more like a congested

[51:43] bunch of trailers or where there's just a ton of people but if it was like you know shops

[51:49] or something. I don't think people would squawk about that.

[51:54] Okay, so all right, I can address that in here.

[52:01] Then the other thing was about housing.

[52:03] I know you do a lot of use permits, condition use permits for Airbnb or rental type things.

[52:12] So, have you looked at all about putting a limit on those numbers?

[52:24] Yeah, there's been talk of that for sure, okay, so I can if I could I would also fit in with our our water water for water plan

[52:34] And that's really a big big issue because right now what they're six

[52:39] Cook-ups available

[52:40] Yeah, six or four depending on who you talk to as far water yeah, so what I'm saying

[52:48] We cannot do any more than that with the pressure that we have.

[52:51] We would have to do a new table.

[52:52] So that long as this is going to be addressed before we can do any more expansion.

[52:56] So is that a more touring you'd put on other, what would that be?

[53:01] No, that would be, actually, the general kind isn't code, but it would specify that you

[53:08] would develop an ordinance that would basically limit the number of Airbnb's or short-term

[53:13] rentals as well.

[53:14] Oh, that would do.

[53:14] That would say let us do.

[53:15] So if we have if we have that town plan in place when some comes to force that doesn't

[53:22] need that, we can say that doesn't need to town plan and either pass or deny if it fits

[53:29] in those boundaries.

[53:30] But see like these people, it's got that house of lilies that want to do long-term rental.

[53:36] You need to have some kind of rentals around for young people who are in the long-term care

[53:41] But these second Airbnb's, you know, I just hate them.

[53:46] And that's where the ordinance for limiting those comes in because that can outcompete

[53:53] long-term rentals.

[53:55] So long-term rentals use a town note regularly.

[53:58] They do.

[53:58] They also use regulations to agree.

[54:00] Yeah.

[54:01] You know, people can, you know, it's a benefit to your town to have a long-term rental.

[54:09] You have a long-term where you actually have people that come and stay and they do things here

[54:14] Rather than someone who's here for a night or two and then they're gone. Yeah, so

[54:19] And I can get you to me right arm. It says

[54:24] I don't know what you need, but what can you help you with the orments to

[54:30] So are you saying whatever you decide is a good limit?

[54:33] How do you treat someone like that?

[54:42] If you have, if you have like, we're going to allow this, let's say 50, we're going to allow 50 in town, you then once that exceeded when anybody applies, you can say we don't have any more, you're, we're not, we've reached our cap, there's no more available.

[55:04] The state for a while was keeping towns from checking Airbnb sites because there are

[55:11] really the ones around that are just people that are just operating them.

[55:15] But now there's ways to get around that and you can actually find those and again, that

[55:26] requires the town to take some action to go after them to do a cease and desist letter and

[55:34] Yeah, so it all depends on how much effort you want to put into it, but generally people

[55:45] complying. There's always going to be someone somewhere that's going to go, I don't care,

[55:49] I'm just going to do it anyway.

[55:53] That's not as easy to get lost here in London as in a bigger place,

[55:58] but they still want to be up until now.

[56:03] You know, you could still do that here.

[56:05] Where towns have had those in place.

[56:08] Up until the last year, they basically relied on

[56:12] neighbors complaining about it.

[56:13] And then they could do some about it.

[56:15] You know, they couldn't actually go out and look at

[56:18] Airbnb websites or the RVO websites.

[56:23] There's people who now they know that they can do that.

[56:27] I mean, like for Canvas and I, if you come in to do a hook up and then, you know,

[56:33] then we would know.

[56:39] Could you do a huge favor and write down as many as you can find or know?

[56:45] Yeah, because right now we're in the process of going through business licenses that haven't paid

[56:49] or that don't people that don't have a business license but have a business that

[56:55] we're aware of so you know we'll we'll be able to go through that at the same

[57:00] times that's like getting these conditional use permits it's like we're four and

[57:07] we haven't done one in a whole year but yeah so yeah apparently they're just kind

[57:13] of non-existent but as people are renewing their business licenses are getting

[57:17] And that one's then we're trying to push it, so.

[57:21] Let's see, it's not adding the buildings,

[57:23] the thing, the buildings already there.

[57:26] So they're still using the same hookups, whatever.

[57:31] But that's what I was trying to get with the people

[57:34] is in the back, with that house of ladies

[57:37] that they don't turn it in when they're being 50 people's

[57:42] up there, you know, all alone.

[57:44] But that same group of people's going

[57:46] be there for six months a year or whatever you know I have to talk to her a little bit more but

[57:51] my understanding is they just have a room to rent out or they were considering because they

[58:00] still live here she does, but Brian or dad doesn't so is that your dad? Well it might not be.

[58:12] I don't know. I know the name and the faces are familiar, but I'm not sure of the dynamics and everything.

[58:19] Well, that would be a good idea because I'd love to put a limit on Airbnb's in town.

[58:25] Well, that would be a major bonus just for me. I don't know how many of those bills.

[58:30] When you put that on the agenda for the town board to have them make a decision on the number of rentals.

[58:38] Rentals. I'm gonna say yeah, it's just a concern of

[58:43] So you're in zoning and you say people how would you work that cap on

[58:51] We can get I can work with Roger and get your model ordinance that would

[58:56] basically as simple as it can be but you put like

[59:00] You can specify a total number that you're allowed you can specify that they're only limited to a certain area

[59:08] there's a number of things you can do and um just want me to say short time

[59:15] rambles yeah yeah so if but let's say one of them lapses they decide we're

[59:22] not going to do it anymore then that one would become available because you

[59:26] can go up to the cap yeah you want to create one

[59:30] I hate driving down the order bill coming out on that and then seeing all those

[59:34] things up on the you know

[59:37] One of these days I'm wrong, so I'm going to lock that thing down.

[59:41] That's all right, that would be kind of cool.

[59:43] Yeah, I just don't know what he gets hurt.

[59:45] And I'm not sure there may even be, oh, I'll have to check with Roger.

[59:50] These are women's persons, but there may be a way to, let's say,

[59:54] you only want 20, and you know there's 30.

[59:57] You can limit it at 20.

[1:00:00] And then- Then also grandfathered in, but as soon as they go away, then that they, you can't

[1:00:08] issue another. That would be good. Some can have you to do a long time ago too. All right.

[1:00:15] This colleague is finally getting horrid with their bean bees on. Oh, it's only going to get

[1:00:19] more and more, because Zion's just his busy and busy and same with price, so just they

[1:00:25] to spread out. Everywhere it's going to go. Let's spread out. Just keep on going to some

[1:00:30] people that's super good thing, not a people not so good. If you get an Airbnb and

[1:00:38] Amarillo, you better take a gun with you. They're not very good places.

[1:00:48] We've stayed

[1:00:48] on in Florida, it's like a hotel, there's a big old complex and it was great.

[1:00:54] Yeah, there's some neighborhoods that are built, but they're built for them.

[1:00:59] It's condos that are designed for that and get to comedy, that's a great.

[1:01:05] Well, like I said, it's like hotel rooms, can't buildings, and it's in an HL8 down, so

[1:01:14] you drill through there, and there was five or six different huge buildings, and you just

[1:01:19] walked down through and picture them, but they look just like a whole town.

[1:01:27] But they

[1:01:28] were nice, but then the raccoons come out at night.

[1:01:34] So what I propose to do, then, is based on your input, is going through just updating the

[1:01:43] language. I'll leave it so it's like it is. I'll do what's called red line. I'll scratch

[1:01:50] out, update the language. You can see the old language. Yes, please. And just we can go through

[1:02:00] and this is a fairly simple plan. If there's things you want to talk, be thinking before we

[1:02:06] meet again next time, are there things you want to ask community to survey? There doesn't have to be

[1:02:12] a survey, but are there things you want to ask them? But at some point when the plan, when you're

[1:02:18] comfortable with it and then you do need to hold a public meeting on it and you guys will be the ones who will hold the actual public hearing on the plan and then it goes to the town council from there and they can adopt it or not or change it or whatever but you're the recommending one basically.

[1:02:41] So, that sound like, I mean, I'm here to help you do your work, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[1:02:49] So...

[1:02:50] Oh, it's good to have a different perspective and to have like a directive of, you know, we should be looking at it.

[1:02:58] Yeah, unless you bring it up.

[1:03:00] Yeah, that's like...

[1:03:02] So I'll do that and if you don't like letter, right, let me know because I don't really care.

[1:03:09] This is my job.

[1:03:10] For $25,000, I'm just trying to make it what you guys want.

[1:03:14] You don't have feelings?

[1:03:15] Well, like the different things you've seen doing it for that long, I would, if you would,

[1:03:22] have like a list, so we can be like, you know what, that's a good idea.

[1:03:26] We should throw that in because you don't know what you don't know.

[1:03:31] Yeah.

[1:03:32] Okay.

[1:03:33] Yeah.

[1:03:34] All right.

[1:03:34] We're pretty little town pretty ignorant about all the different options there are though.

[1:03:41] We have no clue.

[1:03:42] Right.

[1:03:43] We've always done things that way and I have to get that.

[1:03:46] It's like this is how we've always done that so I can get that.

[1:03:48] Okay.

[1:03:49] I will.

[1:03:51] Put some earnest effort in it.

[1:03:52] I'm going on vacation in a couple weeks so I don't know how much I'll get in and I'm going

[1:03:57] to get some.

[1:04:00] Yeah, thank you, thanks for your time.

[1:04:04] And if there's any of those questions that you look through those surveys that are like,

[1:04:09] I think those are good things to ask us to let Laurie know, and she can just let me know.

[1:04:16] Oh, wait, come up on my mic.

[1:04:21] You're asking for a moment.

[1:04:26] Where did...

[1:04:26] Yeah, I want to close it, but is he needed to be here?

[1:04:30] Is that he's on the way?

[1:04:32] He left, I think.

[1:04:34] He's out talking on the phone, I believe.

[1:04:37] That'd be his favorite.

[1:04:38] He's going to do it.

[1:04:39] And he took off with phone.

[1:04:41] Oh, I guess.

[1:04:42] Oh, he'll just go over.

[1:04:45] Look at that.

[1:04:46] You'll see the drainage.

[1:04:48] Is it fun?

[1:04:50] I'm ocean dead.

[1:04:50] I hope you can get near my second ho in favor. I

[1:04:56] Let's go home. Oh

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