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Educating, informing, serving. FACT TV, keeping government honest.
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You are watching a FACT TV presentation of the Town of Grafton Selectboard meeting.
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I'd like to call the meeting to order for Monday, September 23rd, 2026, at 6:00
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PM here at our town hall.
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In a motion to adopt the agenda and changes.
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Morgan, do you have something?
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I thought, are we having this? The proposed executive session is happening, or-
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If we could, that would be great.
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Oh, okay.
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Sorry, I just got off the phone with Steve and Brenda 20 minutes ago.
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So I have a little bit of an update that we can talk about in executive session.
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Okay. Is it the draft?
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Okay.
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Do I have to change proposal? Propose to just leave it?
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No.
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Just leave it then?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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I need to have a motion to adopt the agenda as
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written. All in favor?
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Mm-hmm.
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Of the motion.
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Second.
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All in favor of the agenda?
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Aye.
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Need a motion to approve minutes of our regular meeting, September 8th,
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2026. Any corrections or additions to those minutes?
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You don't set a time with them?
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All in favor of approving the minutes for September 8th?
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Do we make motion?
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Yes, we do.
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Oh, I'll make motion.
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And I'll second that.
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Okay, we have a motion and a second.
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All in favor?
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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We had a highway report, and I'm going to start with
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opening the paving bids for Middletown
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Road and Route 121 paving bids.
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Ready?
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Middletown Road.
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I sure know.
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This is under Basian Brother.
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What would you like from me to read here?
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Use the mic.
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What's the project title? Is that on Middletown Road or-
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Middletown Road Paving Project 2027 Bid.
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Great. And then there should be a grand total
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for the bid?
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Yes, it does.
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Sorry, this is my
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rookie report.
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Total, $48,224.
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Do that again. Sorry. 2,001.
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You might turn on the mic.
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Yeah, you got to use the mic.
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You got to use the mic.
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Oh, okay.
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The grand total for the gym, top coat, and mill is
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$48,224.
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No, the total bid. I'm sorry. $68,224.
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Hmm.
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We have one on Basian, so those are the-
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Separate project, though. Two different projects.
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So let's do all of the Middletown then.
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Yeah, that sounds good.
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Okay.
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This is from Pike Industries. Pike Industries.
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And the total bid is $43,513.80.
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Where is Pike Industries from? Are they a local?
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West Long Branch.
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Okay.
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Curious.
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Northeast Paving.
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The total is $52,148. And those are the three bids.
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Middletown Road.
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Can you go back to the one on the Pikes Industries?
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It's 43,513.80.
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Correct. Go ahead.
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That seems quite low from all these, the other two.
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I'm wondering if it's-
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43,513?
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Yeah.
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That compares to
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$52,148,
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so it's not too far.
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And there-
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For Basian's it's 39.
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For the same stuff?
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68,224.
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The reason probably is they're busy.
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I don't know this, but Basian called and wanted to know if we are awarding the bid
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separately on Middletown and 121, or we awarded it together.
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Because it doesn't say in the bid thing. So nobody else asked that question.
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So it might be
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low because they couldn't do the whole thing.
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But I don't know until I see the other bids.
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Okay. All right, we'll check the other ones then. Thank you.
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Should we go on to the other project?
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Yeah.
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This is Route 121 Paving 2027.
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This is Basian Brothers.
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And the total is $231,009.11.
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Here's... Hmm.
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And this is from Pike Industries.
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And it's
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$186,028.20.
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Hmm.
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Right.
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There's a-
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This is from Northeastern Paving.
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Mm-hmm.
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And they told you this.
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And the bid is for
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$165,379.20.
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Hmm.
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Where's Northeast from?
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Yeah, she was in somewhere.
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Northfield, Massachusetts.
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Northfield? Mm-hmm.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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Is that it?
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Yeah, that's it.
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Interesting.
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Hmm.
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So we can discuss some of these bids further before we commit to a bid
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at our next meeting, so everybody has a chance to look at the bids.
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And Travis, you can look at them also.
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Okay. Thank you, Peter.
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Welcome.
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Any comments? You have any comments, John, on the bids? Okay.
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Approve the Grant 2102 Grant Agreement, guardrails,
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repairs,
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stop line painting, and ledge removal.
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And if you had a chance to look at the grant, I think it was 38 pages.
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This would start end of September and go to...
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Is it two-year grants?
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It's manually twice a year.
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Yeah.
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So the project is to repair five guardrails, paint six
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stop lines, and ledge removal in one location.
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Where is that?
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The ledge removal?
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Yeah.
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Platnam Forest Road.
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Platnum Forest Road. That's for
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$48,000?
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$45,000.
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45.
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And it is fully reimbursable, so there's no town out for this project.
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So typically I would just need authority to approve the grant agreement.
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Did anybody have a chance to read the grant and look it over?
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Anybody have any questions?
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Go ahead and motion to approve this grant,
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2102 Grant Agreement.
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It's a two-year agreement. All in favor? We need a motion, sorry.
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Motion.
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Thank you, Barb.
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I'll second it.
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Okay, Mike. Time to ask the question. All in favor of approving the grant?
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I.
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Any opposed?
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So Travis, do you have the report for us today?
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Yeah. We've been studying 121
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this week. We'll get there Wednesday and Thursday, and Wednesday will be the last
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culvert replacement. We should be planning the fill and break for that.
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Then Thursday will just be some follow-up with grassy and some still lying.
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From there, we are headed to a culvert on 35 at the top of Chester Hill.
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To replace that with asphalt.
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And then we have some various others.
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There's two on State Road and another on Kidder Road.
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So we're trying to wrap up the dirt side of things before frost. Hopefully.
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And how about your equipment needs? I mean, you had some repairs on the mower.
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The grader-
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Yeah
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... is going to go over. That was a sink and pit loss.
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The backhoe,
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knock on wood, if that stays together, it'll be all five of it.
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The tractor did have some dashboards fall last week.
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Mm-hmm.
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And I won't have answers until it back flows into the tractor.
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That's just what's going on.
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And that's all computer-based?
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Mm-hmm.
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Is he going to go to Salem, Mass?
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Salem, New York.
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Oh, New York.
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Yeah, it's not too bad, just phase ones.
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And
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there's no warranty on truck four left?
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There is warranty.
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Okay.
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We are getting towards the end of it.
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Off of that, our HEG
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with warranty work, if they find rust in a component, they will not cover it under
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warranty. So with the times that, being almost five years old,
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a lot of it is out of pocket. I'm turning over the warranty at this point.
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Okay.
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But we need to look into that because those trucks are going to have rust within a
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year because they're in salt floor.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the only thing we pay $7,000 for extended warranty, and
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all it will cover is the engine and our transmission.
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But as far as anything else, it doesn't cover it because they find rust, and I
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don't know if you make another trip down to visit with whoever you did before, it
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would do any good or not. But I think that we should get more for our warranty.
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This is the truck that has the salt that's underneath?
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They all do.
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But I know the last one, it was due to rust and we did get covered.
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Yeah, it was our oldest truck-
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Right
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... and I got a problem with that.
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Yeah, I can go down, but I just wondered if anything can be submitted to our
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insurance on any of those costs. Do you know that, Lauren?
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Are we just wearing gear?
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Unfortunately, the wear and tear-
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Mm-hmm
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... significant is just a couple thousand at a time adds up the end of the year.
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Does it actually state to us as an exception of warranty with a lease or are they
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saying they're claiming them?
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That they're claiming it. I assume it's at the text discretion of work on the
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truck.
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Yeah.
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And with this becoming a larger issue than already being one this year,
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I've had a hard time connecting with Craig.
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I didn't know if maybe the board would be willing to either visit or send a letter
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to Craig and just go, "Hey, this truck is costing us a lot of money on some
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warranty."
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When's the middle point? We need more updates, more information.
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That's on the truck.
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That's on the truck.
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Okay.
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I guess, Morgan, draft a letter. Is that okay?
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I drafted a letter today, and I can share it.
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Because the cabin chassis doesn't even get in yet, so there's no body to pull out,
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standard. There's not even a cabin chassis at this point.
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It's not very long. Do you want me to read it out loud?
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Sure.
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So it's just addressed to Craig.
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Just use the mic. Yeah.
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Did you share yours?
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So this is a letter raising regarding our truck currently at your facility for
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repairs, which is truck number four, as well as the replacement
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truck account for over the past several weeks, Travis and I have tried on it and
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made multiple attempts to obtain information regarding the status of the repair and
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the anticipated delivery date of the replacement vehicle.
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In addition, one of your account administrators has also reached out seeking an
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update. Unfortunately, these inquiries have gone unanswered.
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The timing of these vehicles and the lack of communication has made it increasingly
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difficult to plan daily operations.
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We respectfully request a detailed update regarding, number one, the current status
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of the repair being performed on our truck.
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Number two, the basis for ATD's determination that the repair is not covered under
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warranty, including any supporting documentation or explanation.
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And number three, the expected delivery date of the replacement truck that the town
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has ordered. We ask that you provide a written response as soon as possible.
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If there are delays affecting either repair or replacement vehicle delivery, we
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would appreciate your explanation of the circumstances and an updated timeline.
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We value our relationship with ATD and hope to resolve these issues promptly.
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Thank you. I look forward to your response.
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Solid letter.
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Yeah, very good.
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I think it's great. Yeah.
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We're going to follow up with a call.
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Yeah.
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So-
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Will that be emailed?
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We can email it. We can also mail a hard copy.
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Yep.
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Yeah, do both.
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Do both, and then
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get on the horn, follow up with them quick.
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Yeah. If you could
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just email me his number and stuff.
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Sure.
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Information.
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Could I just have him-
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Yeah.
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And then we'll put something up in the morning.
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Anything else you want to add to the letter or
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concerns
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that I can convey?
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Okay.
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Thank you for doing the letter.
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No.
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Anything else, Travis, that you have while we're...
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I wanted to mention last week how much 1.1 petitions in the summer, but I agree
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with you last week.
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Thank you.
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Hmm.
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Well, committee reports. Anything from zoning?
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No, the clerk's good.
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Oh, sorry. All right, Kim.
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I think we're way behind here.
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Go ahead.
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Everybody got their quarterly reports.
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I really didn't hear from anyone, so I'm assuming everything's okay.
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It looks to be pretty much on track.
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I gave two different reports, one with percentages and one without.
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I feel the percentage one is very helpful because they're only a quarter of the
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way. They're obviously going to be 25% or under is great.
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If it's slightly over the 25%, it's fine.
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This is just the beginning of the year.
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Some of them you'll see might be 75% to 90%.
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That's because it might be one thing every year, so of course, it's going to hit
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its almost full value within the first quarter.
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But nothing really stood out to me,
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and I'm assuming nothing to any of you since I didn't hear anybody.
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I've not heard from Sullivan Powers yet.
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I'm still waiting for Jenna to get back to me on audit.
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Probably next Monday, I'll email her and see how she's coming along on it, seeing
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as how we're coming into our budget season.
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Maybe give us an idea of where we're standing with it.
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Next thing, the start of setting budget dates, getting
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together. Typically, I think we've done the highway as one meeting, and
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then we next meeting, we move into doing general, and then we do an
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overall,
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put the two together, I put the numbers together, and then we have that final
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meeting and doing the briefing if we need to be.
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We also invite rescue, the library, the fire department,
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probably during the select board meeting, so we can hear their pitch, and
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I can insert those numbers. So that can be at any time.
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Morgan and I did have a few dates. We were looking at possibly Tuesdays or
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Thursdays.
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Depends. I think we're thinking maybe anytime before or after.
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I think Leslie and Anna have a difficult time making it anytime during the day,
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unless you can.
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Mine really depends, but-
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Yeah, sometimes I have to. You give me a date and time.
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Yeah. Let me-
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I'm fine with before or whatever you guys decide.
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Morgan and I were looking at possible dates of October the 6th, a Tuesday,
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October the 8th, a Thursday,
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Tuesday the 13th, Thursday the 29th,
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Monday the 26th, because it's an odd one.
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We try not to make any Mondays since there are four of those.
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That went by fast. So Tuesday, October 6th.
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Could be one on the Thursday, October 8th.
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No.
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And then I lost you.
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The 13th.
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Okay.
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The 26th on Monday.
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Oh.
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Or the 29th on Thursday. It's whenever works for us.
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Do you have any input
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into-
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You're saying you're free at 4:00 PM?
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If we're... We kind of picked maybe if you guys can make 4:00.
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Maybe just one, yeah.
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And get her packed in, the rest can make 4:00, and-
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I can't do the 6th.
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Can't do the 8th?
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Every other day. The 8th and the 26th are the only dates that I know.
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Other than that, it's just-
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Does it work for Dave after the 8th?
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Yeah, I have school board meeting.
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Yeah.
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I have school board meeting.
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And the 13th.
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Okay, so the 8th is out of the question.
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13th is planning commission, but-
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But it would be earlier
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... I could do it at
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5:00.
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On the 13th?
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Yeah. Is that what you said? For the planning commission, yeah.
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Can you do 4:00?
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Yeah, I can probably change the meeting or 4:00.
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Planning commission's what at 7:00?
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7:00.
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7:00, right?
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Little after 7:00.
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Do you guys do it more like 5:00? Would that help you?
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5:00 would work for me.
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Around 5:00.
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Turn that on, Peter.
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Because you're running that again.
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Well, we're down to the 6th of October.
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Yep.
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The 13th of October.
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These are 4:00?
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No, we're looking at the 13th and possibly 5:00.
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Okay. But the other two first. Okay, got it.
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On the 26th is a Monday.
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That I can't do that.
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No, you can't do the 26th. Okay, so we'll cross that off.
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So now we're down to the 29th of October.
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So that would put our final one then
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into the 1st of November.
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Are we comfortable with that? Yeah.
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November is usually when I'm trying to get the town report together.
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Okay.
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The first week of November, I've got the general election-
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General election
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... so I just assume skip the whole first week of November.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think November 10th
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is the following Tuesday.
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Okay.
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I don't know.
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So we can make that our third then.
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I might be here, but we'll have to...
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Otherwise, I'd say the first one's October 2nd.
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I think that we're good with the 13th and the 29th, I think we settled on or
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whatever.
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Okay.
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And then we can work around inviting the rest of the organizations.
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Hello?
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And we can add a date to have a select board meeting on the 19th, which is a
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regular select board meeting.
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Okay.
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What are we talking about, October?
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October at 5:00, and I can do the 29th at 4:00 or 5:00.
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Okay. So 4:00 on the 29th?
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That'll work for me.
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Okay. Is everybody okay with 4:00 the 29th?
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5:00 on the 13th. Okay.
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So we can make
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Travis, which makes it be the 13th at-
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The other one.
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4:00. We're at October 6th. Was that all right, October 6th?
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Works for me.
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Was that an okay date? That way we can do all three.
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Get it all within October.
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Yeah.
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Well, October 6th.
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That's what we're trying to do.
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Well, that works for you guys?
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Yeah. What's your second one?
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4:00, October 6th.
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Works for me.
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Okay. Can you get the invites? So 4:00 on the 6th.
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Get them all in October.
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Yeah. Okay. So then we'll make Travis on the 6th, if you're okay with that.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the 13th will be the town in general at 5:00.
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Yeah.
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And then 4:00 on the 29th will be our final, hopefully
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somewhere into
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our other capital budget too.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, for their public hearing. Yeah.
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Yeah. I'll make a note.
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I'll reach out.
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So what date would be the one for
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fire, rescue, and library?
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October 19th, which is a regular select board meeting.
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Oh,
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okay. Yeah, that would give them the warning on that-
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Yep
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... so they're ready.
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Yep.
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Sorry, that's four o'clock still? On the 19th?
[28:01]
No, that's a regular select board meeting. No, during the meeting.
[28:04]
That's difficult.
[28:05]
Right.
[28:11]
Just from the register there, I'm probably going to have a BCA
[28:17]
meeting.
[28:19]
That's just-
[28:20]
I'm looking at a BCA meeting, possibly October the 5th, and it'll be held just
[28:26]
before the select board meeting, so it's all probably going to be another 15-minute
[28:30]
meeting. Just designate time and place of village elections and ballot votes.
[28:34]
Gotcha.
[28:35]
He said the 5th. I think the 5th. That's what I'm going to try.
[28:38]
Well, as long as Chris can make it on the 5th.
[28:42]
We'll be up at 5:45 that morning.
[28:45]
Yeah, I think it's going to be 5:45, which won't take us long.
[28:53]
I will be sending out,
[28:57]
probably beginning of next week, I'll send out a blank version again of the budget
[29:02]
with little lines on the side.
[29:04]
Mm-hmm.
[29:04]
And everybody can put in what they propose, and we'll come to the round table and
[29:10]
fill in the blanks with what our proposals are.
[29:13]
Say that again, Kim. I'm sorry, it's not-
[29:15]
I usually do a budget sheet just like this-
[29:17]
Oh, budget sheet
[29:18]
... but I have blank lines on the side.
[29:20]
Yep.
[29:20]
And you guys put down your best estimate
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and reason
[29:27]
why you're going up or down. That always helps us to...
[29:37]
Okay.
[29:41]
How much else? I'll be done. I've not heard.
[29:43]
I know that the
[29:45]
ballots for the general election, they pulled the names last week, and they
[29:50]
anticipate by the 1st of October, everybody should be getting their general
[29:54]
election ballots.
[29:57]
I have a small supply of them in my office.
[30:00]
I did ask if I could write up a nice little write-up about the importance of trying
[30:05]
not to mail them, but actually hand deliver them to my office or put them in the
[30:10]
drop box in the front door or bring them with you on election day.
[30:15]
If you can't make it here on the other than normal hours for election.
[30:21]
Just, it's important people try to remember to bring that ballot.
[30:25]
Don't use it to start your fire and just figure you're going to get one.
[30:30]
Yeah.
[30:30]
There's more paperwork involved.
[30:32]
You can get one, but you're going to have to fill out more paperwork to get another
[30:35]
one.
[30:38]
So she's going to try and do something in the bulletins for that.
[30:43]
Thursday is the
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STR election ballots are here. Seven, what is it?
[30:51]
The 9th to 7.
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Michelle and I will set up on Thursday morning.
[30:59]
And remember, I know Peter cannot make it for counting on Thursday,
[31:06]
and Wendy's not going to be able to. But it's a yes/no ballot.
[31:12]
Should be relatively quick.
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I'm hoping to be out of here by 8:00, probably 4 to 7.
[31:22]
You can trust. That's all I've got.
[31:30]
Thank you.
[31:32]
Thank you, Kim.
[31:35]
Any questions for Kim?
[31:42]
Committee reports? Cemetery, any updates?
[31:48]
Well, I had mentioned a while ago
[31:54]
that
[31:55]
we were contacting the Vermont Gold Cemetery Association.
[32:01]
And when I say we, I mentioned it to the select board, but my sister Cheryl drafted
[32:06]
a letter because she's interested as part of GIA.
[32:10]
And they responded back. They are able to have the next year,
[32:16]
or next year,
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where they would do a day of volunteer work with them leading the effort.
[32:25]
We were thinking Middle Town Cemetery
[32:28]
would be probably a good candidate for
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stabilization stones.
[32:36]
They can clean the foundations, or they'll do epoxy on
[32:41]
headstones that need it. They do have a list of materials that they recommend
[32:48]
for supporting that, including chip hat,
[32:54]
wheelbarrows, shovels, five-bars.
[32:56]
There's a list, and most of it is fairly reasonable. Straight almost.
[33:02]
A chemical called DT, I believe, that is free for you some stones.
[33:08]
So, I just want to make sure that
[33:12]
the select board is aware and would be okay with approving this.
[33:17]
And I can get all the information with the entire list, and it might be something
[33:22]
that we include in our budget review.
[33:25]
And also, Kim, I know there is a separate fund, but part of
[33:30]
that may be reasonably used. But we can talk about that and come up with an
[33:36]
estimate for what the materials would be.
[33:39]
Again, it's a volunteer organization, so for materials and know the cost.
[33:44]
They do ask that the town try to have at least 15 volunteers show up, which I think
[33:50]
if we publish correctly, that should be doable.
[33:54]
And then we'll lock down the dates as we get closer to the top.
[34:01]
Any questions?
[34:04]
When did you think the date, like the month? What month?
[34:09]
If you didn't mind saying month, or I'm going to write back to them
[34:14]
if I got kind of general consensus tonight, because the last time it was written
[34:19]
permission from the designee of the board.
[34:22]
So I want to make sure everyone was on board.
[34:24]
So I'll say that the support is in principle on board, and
[34:30]
ask you to isolate the dates
[34:34]
for us, and then I'll share that with Chris.
[34:38]
That's it.
[34:40]
I would think it would probably be
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summertime or-
[34:44]
Oh, I see
[34:44]
... spring, because if you're using materials-
[34:47]
Yeah
[34:48]
... it can't be cold.
[34:49]
Yeah, but even in the summer, they're very sensitive to the rain.
[34:54]
So I'm just not sure which date we would have no rain.
[34:57]
And the other thing I do is probably just train people on how to do it, which I
[35:01]
think is useful for online maintenance-
[35:05]
Mm-hmm
[35:05]
...
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and the assumption of how to do it correctly.
[35:09]
Right.
[35:13]
Sounds great to me.
[35:14]
Great. I'll write up something asking for options on dates, and then I'll share
[35:20]
that with you, and then I'll share this
[35:24]
letter.
[35:28]
I'll share this letter and list that they provided so that you all have it, and can
[35:34]
have that as well.
[35:37]
He doesn't like it.
[35:39]
He doesn't like being right in front of the speaker.
[35:42]
Mm-hmm.
[35:43]
So it's not you, it's the speaker.
[35:45]
I'm sure he'll be missing.
[35:49]
Yeah, vote on the topsoil?
[35:51]
Yeah. So at the last meeting, the board wanted to get a quote for the topsoil at
[35:56]
the Middle Town Cemetery, and Russell did provide that.
[36:01]
So it came in at $1,000
[36:05]
for six yards of bank run gravel and five yards of screened topsoil.
[36:13]
That was the donation amount, right?
[36:15]
It was the donation amount. So what I did is I pretty much just asked him, "What
[36:20]
can we get for the $1,000 donation?"
[36:23]
Yep.
[36:24]
And so he came up with the amount
[36:27]
for what he feels we could get for the $1,000.
[36:31]
Right.
[36:33]
Did he have a feel for how far that would go, Lynn?
[36:36]
He said he talked with you, John, too, and it's not going to go
[36:42]
too far, but it's going to do a tier, he thinks.
[36:45]
Sure.
[36:46]
He's not going to put any type of seeding on it because the rest of the cemetery he
[36:51]
said is pretty much all moss.
[36:53]
Sure.
[36:53]
So it'd be nice to
[36:56]
have it blend with the moss, because otherwise if you put seed on it, he's going to
[36:59]
have a patch of high grass growing and it's just not going to
[37:04]
blend. But there are quite a few that are sunken in that he thinks he could run to
[37:10]
a little bit more of a level. And right now, I'm just trying to manage mowing it.
[37:15]
The mower hits down so hard that it just grinds off the blades because you're going
[37:20]
in and not...
[37:23]
And I do have a thing that I'd like to send to Barbara Streeter, but I also want to
[37:28]
give an explanation as to what the funds are going to be used for.
[37:35]
It is designated the Middletown Cemetery,
[37:39]
leveling some of the ground. So, yeah.
[37:42]
Then we'd have an idea of how much money we need.
[37:47]
Yeah. We'll see how far that goes, and then in the future, it'll give us a better
[37:51]
idea.
[37:54]
And also the Trustee of Public Funds can probably help out with-- I don't think
[37:58]
it's going to be very expensive for, like you said, a lot of the supplies you need
[38:01]
for the volunteers next summer.
[38:03]
Oh, and actually the GI may fund some of that as well.
[38:08]
Okay.
[38:08]
So we can figure out where that levels up.
[38:10]
Okay. And when you get that idea from the organization, we'll pull
[38:16]
together with the Trustee of Public Funds, we'll have a meeting and
[38:21]
see what we can do, too.
[38:23]
Right.
[38:23]
We can fund the funds.
[38:24]
Sounds good.
[38:27]
I wonder if something like five times that amount
[38:32]
would have a much more serious impact and how that might be judged, so that
[38:38]
this is the first installment of a $5,000 endeavor
[38:46]
on our farm. If 1,000 bucks is going to do something like six loads, how
[38:52]
much of an impact would that-
[38:55]
Sure
[38:55]
... have on the cemetery? Right. I think that's what we're saying is if we do the
[38:59]
1,000 and then say, "Okay, it did
[39:03]
a quarter."
[39:04]
Yeah.
[39:04]
Then we'd know. So we don't know, there's no way to predict that.
[39:08]
This is what I think if I started with what the six loads doesn't-
[39:12]
Yeah
[39:12]
... work in there. I think so.
[39:18]
So we just need to be okay whether or not Russell can move forward and do this
[39:22]
before the winter time.
[39:25]
Yeah.
[39:26]
Okay.
[39:27]
Have a motion or any discussion before we can make a motion to accept-
[39:35]
Sure
[39:35]
... the recommendations here.
[39:39]
I'll make a motion that we have Russell Record move forward with the topsoil for
[39:44]
$1,000 and the amounts that are stated. I can't remember the exact amount.
[39:51]
Second.
[39:53]
Okay. Any other discussion?
[39:56]
All in favor?
[39:57]
Aye.
[39:58]
Aye.
[39:59]
Any opposed? Okay.
[40:03]
One other item on cemetery, very briefly.
[40:05]
Yeah.
[40:06]
This has to do with the parcel on Chester Road that was
[40:12]
looked at by the forester
[40:16]
several weeks ago, and I thought that he had said that he expected to have some
[40:22]
kind of reportable information, whether it's written or just show up and have
[40:28]
a verbal conversation with the select board sometime this month, which is almost
[40:33]
over. I asked him
[40:37]
this past week
[40:39]
when he thought that might actually occur, and he said, basically,
[40:44]
things have gotten very busy. It probably isn't going to be until into the winter.
[40:51]
But that should be okay because you're not going to do anything
[40:55]
in the meantime. And by the way, I'm retiring next
[41:01]
spring.
[41:02]
Oh, okay.
[41:04]
Joke.
[41:06]
Yes, that report. But he has the two sites, the site and
[41:12]
the one near the town garage-
[41:14]
Mm-hmm
[41:16]
... are both in play.
[41:20]
He did send something to us.
[41:24]
I think you got it too, Morgan, from the forester recently.
[41:28]
I saw something that was sent.
[41:34]
It was a kind of a brief outline of where they walked and what he
[41:39]
saw.
[41:40]
That might have been-
[41:41]
Potential-- Oh, okay.
[41:43]
Yeah, I got this from Ian. That's why it was brief and not that interesting.
[41:49]
Beautiful. But-
[41:51]
Raptor parks.
[41:52]
Maybe I thought it was from-- Oh, sorry.
[41:58]
I have a question or two on the cemetery as well.
[42:00]
Has there been any more talk about any increase in the fee for the cemetery lots or
[42:05]
not when going through?
[42:08]
We haven't actually followed up on that. We've kind of done some research on it.
[42:13]
Okay.
[42:14]
Yeah. And now we need to, I think, actually put on paper as a recommendation.
[42:19]
Have there been any inquiries? Has anybody-
[42:23]
For purchasing?
[42:24]
Yeah.
[42:24]
I've had several people, yes. Recently, yeah.
[42:27]
Okay. So there's activity.
[42:29]
Yeah. I had two or three inquiries.
[42:34]
They're not finalized yet.
[42:36]
Sure.
[42:37]
But I'm just kind of curious. I know we've talked about it for a little while.
[42:43]
Do we fall right in the middle, or are we on the low end?
[42:46]
It's hard to get lower than 150 bucks. We're way on the low end.
[42:51]
Well, that's an increase. We used to be 75.
[42:53]
Yeah.
[42:56]
Like I said, my experience has been that the elasticity of demand for plots
[43:03]
doesn't indicate that there's going to be a ceiling that people won't want to go
[43:07]
beyond.
[43:08]
Okay.
[43:08]
In other words, if you raise them suddenly to $800, multiplied by four or five of
[43:14]
what they are today, that's probably not going to have any effect, is my guess.
[43:19]
Okay.
[43:20]
But that's untested.
[43:23]
And I've got to go back and look, but it was like Burlington would be around
[43:29]
900, $1,000 in other towns, smaller towns that are like 4 to 500,
[43:36]
or in-town residents. Some of them anyone else would be a premium.
[43:42]
Some of them have very complex fee structures based on what
[43:48]
you're doing it with, what is on there,
[43:51]
so it can get complicated. Burrillville's postcremation, I think how many-
[43:57]
Yeah. It's one set that you buy it for 150, and you can put three remains
[44:03]
in one-
[44:04]
Right.
[44:04]
Yeah, so that's even cheaper.
[44:10]
So I think we definitely think it should be increased, and then the funds go to
[44:15]
maintaining the cemetery.
[44:18]
So maybe, Peter, I can before the next meeting, try to get something on paper.
[44:24]
Okay.
[44:26]
Maybe check with area towns.
[44:28]
We did some of that, yeah.
[44:31]
I think Weston is
[44:34]
3 or 350 for one plot. You can put two in, like a cremation and a
[44:39]
body or something.
[44:40]
That seems to be the-- I think 400 was kind of median for smaller towns
[44:46]
as I recall. Yeah.
[44:51]
Okay.
[44:54]
Well, thank you both.
[44:56]
Anything on parks, any updates?
[44:59]
I don't have anything.
[45:02]
Highway committee meeting went through. Personnel, I don't have anything.
[45:07]
Waiting on
[45:10]
the auditors.
[45:11]
Mm-hmm.
[45:13]
And select updates, we're all set. Nothing there.
[45:18]
Outstanding capital project document reminder.
[45:25]
Morgan, when I was with John,
[45:31]
had several projects
[45:34]
that we put together,
[45:36]
and
[45:38]
let me kind of review where we're at.
[45:40]
So we can go through each one or-
[45:44]
How do you want to start that, Morgan?
[45:47]
I distributed this to this whiteboard over a year ago, and that was a list of 13
[45:53]
items that we should be discussing to see how we were going to finance it.
[45:59]
So this date today,
[46:03]
there's not a lot been done.
[46:07]
And
[46:09]
some of them, if we have a major storm or rain, it's going to take out roads,
[46:15]
whatever.
[46:17]
Money should be somehow come up with to take care of it.
[46:24]
The other ones are kind of small. After the bids of the paving,
[46:30]
it looks to me like we might be able to pay more than what the bid's
[46:36]
at, because I think it got close to $500,000.
[46:41]
So it's all broken out, additional paving,
[46:47]
so we could pick up some of that. But the other items, we'd have to do something on
[46:52]
and not leave it.
[46:55]
Well, certainly some of them are in process.
[46:59]
Well, the fire escape-
[47:01]
The fire escape is a process
[47:02]
... all that stuff. The state forest are several .
[47:06]
And we've had lots of dialogue on the Fisher Hill overtimes.
[47:11]
They are big money items-
[47:13]
Yeah
[47:13]
... but the smaller ones in there, like a street light.
[47:16]
Mm-hmm.
[47:18]
13s. Yeah, but-
[47:20]
The fire pond dredging. Yep. Fire pond dredging.
[47:23]
Yeah.
[47:24]
We talked about that.
[47:25]
Hopefully budget searching.
[47:27]
Yeah, that...
[47:29]
And chair.
[47:31]
Suzanne?
[47:34]
I did not see a copy of a list of projects for the materials.
[47:39]
Could I please have copies of it with this maybe for the 22nd?
[47:53]
That's the update. Is that the update or original?
[47:57]
That's the update.
[47:58]
The original?
[47:58]
That's the update.
[47:59]
The update's in red, right?
[48:00]
That's my copy. So it's right in front of all the updates.
[48:03]
Yes.
[48:03]
In red.
[48:05]
It's in red.
[48:06]
What is it not?
[48:18]
Well, this is a great document for budget time.
[48:21]
Well, I know it's nice to level fund, but if you level funding every year, you
[48:25]
don't get two ways in projects, and
[48:29]
we going to decide which ones do we want to start with.
[48:32]
Even if you just move one,
[48:34]
$40,000, it's a help.
[48:39]
But I know we've talked about this in the capital budget, and a lot of these items,
[48:44]
not all of them, but
[48:47]
how do you go about, because I'm not on the capital budget committee.
[48:52]
Is it the committee?
[48:54]
The committee should recommend to the majority that we want to do something.
[49:00]
Yeah.
[49:00]
Yeah.
[49:02]
Does the whole capital budget have one of those
[49:05]
schedules? Does the whole capital budget have a schedule like this?
[49:10]
I think so. I'm not sure.
[49:13]
I don't know.
[49:13]
Yeah. We created it last year around this time.
[49:16]
I think they do, but they don't have the updated one.
[49:18]
Yeah.
[49:19]
Right.
[49:19]
So I can say like that.
[49:21]
Yeah.
[49:22]
Hmm.
[49:26]
Hmm. So it's not that we haven't done anything.
[49:31]
We have been doing stuff, but not-
[49:33]
There's a
[49:43]
but it's not so much for engineering.
[49:45]
Mm-hmm.
[49:47]
Right?
[49:49]
Mm-hmm.
[49:50]
If you have a storm, you're going to lose some roads.
[49:54]
Hopefully people have sat in, but they
[49:56]
don't...
[50:27]
That's going to help free up some funds from the general,
[50:34]
and that's a $55,000 payment that we make every year, and then the
[50:40]
interest...
[50:47]
Oof.
[50:54]
That's the update. This is it.
[50:57]
It's an independent. It's an update.
[51:02]
There's a lot of work on this, so I'd find from Massachusetts, it'll be a help of
[51:08]
other people who could do.
[51:10]
Yeah.
[51:12]
Some ideas.
[51:15]
Well, I know Harry has done a lot of work when they do the highway equipment,
[51:22]
for the town and for the fire truck.
[51:26]
Has it scheduled
[51:29]
down the road four to five years?
[51:33]
So something like that, we could plug this into.
[51:37]
Well, what happens to capital budget is, we save a level of fund that every year at
[51:43]
200,000, and we don't put any extra in.
[51:45]
And sometimes you're going to have to do it. The price of everything goes up.
[51:50]
You just can't keep it at that price.
[51:53]
Mm-hmm.
[51:53]
Mm-hmm.
[52:02]
Dual custody. I don't know you call it a fire chief.
[52:08]
Okay.
[52:10]
Hmm?
[52:14]
Oh, yes, Suzanne, thank you.
[52:16]
This is just an excellent report.
[52:20]
I have two questions. First of all,
[52:23]
to what extent is the planning commission aware of this report?
[52:27]
It seems like some of these projects could be incorporated in the town plan.
[52:33]
Hmm.
[52:34]
It'd be okay to share with them?
[52:37]
Yeah. We can share. I don't think we've looked at it specifically.
[52:42]
Okay. I wanted to go chapter by chapter.
[52:44]
Mm-hmm.
[52:44]
Some of these would apply. And also, I have a specific question about the
[52:50]
culverts on Fisher Hill Road. I remember vaguely she had
[52:56]
me say that they have to replace some culverts.
[52:59]
Who?
[53:00]
Me.
[53:00]
Samantha. Okay.
[53:04]
The smaller culvert-
[53:05]
Smaller culverts
[53:07]
... put in the underground, like if they destroy a set of culverts, they replace
[53:12]
that, but they're not going to replace those big ones.
[53:16]
Only other thing, once they go up and onto the capital areas.
[53:20]
Okay. They don't want to do that. Okay. Got it.
[53:23]
So it's how it is.
[53:25]
Okay. I'm just reaching with him.
[53:28]
Yeah, and unfortunately, the culverts that have to be replaced-
[53:33]
I know
[53:33]
... they, every year, they go up and up and up.
[53:37]
And the state standards
[53:42]
go up and up, so it increases costs.
[53:46]
Thank you.
[53:51]
All right. Let's not put this on the back burner.
[53:53]
Let's be vigilant of it,
[53:55]
and hopefully we can move
[54:01]
ahead and
[54:03]
make some progress with it.
[54:05]
Any other comments from the board?
[54:12]
And if there's any more updates, Morgan, you put them in. Yes.
[54:21]
Town hall, each field, and fire escape staircase update.
[54:27]
I don't have any update. Do you? Well, you had asked me to get price, like
[54:33]
a ballpark number for if we were to replace the H field.
[54:37]
And I called a couple of local contractors.
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They said it's hard to give an idea without a design done. Mm-hmm.
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But they said we could be looking at anywhere between 20 and $60,000, and
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the price is going to vary a lot based on the designs.
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That's still in the ballpark, so I think that's still somewhat helpful, for sure.
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When we go through permitting with the engineer- Mm-hmm ...
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they'll also be able to give us a better update when the time comes.
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Another example of follow-up projects.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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Another page.
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Question I have on that, in the meantime, why can't the tank just keep getting
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pumped while we're looking at it?
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It's not that it's-
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It's not different
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I understand, but there's not a lot of use that goes-
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Right
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... right here out into the leach field.
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You could pump it. It'd be like essentially a holding tank versus-
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That's right
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... an active field. So yeah.
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That would sort of help buy you time.
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Yeah. And I've had personal experience on that where the leach field never failed,
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not like this apparently, but it was imperfectly operating.
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And so once a year,
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in other words, for a house that had things like dishwasher, washing machine,
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probably like three, four months a year we definitely had that value sometime.
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Although you'd have to do budget and
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significantly fail.
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It's 10,000 gallon?
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Okay.
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500.
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I think the clarification is it's, I had not heard the language
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significantly failing before. I had heard the language more
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the way Peter just described his experience sort of imperfectly operating.
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While I don't, I mean, we're not seeing
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overflow, there's no odor. There are things like that.
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Am I-
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There's some leeway. Your timeline is solely-
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We do understand that, but I do not want-
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Your strategy. I would go three, four.
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This is what's actually-
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Okay
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... in each.
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Okay.
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Three, four. You can go away from that budget.
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Not that long.
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Right. I didn't want anyone to get the impression that we have a failed leach field
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out here. That would be a bad thing. I think we need to be continually be clear.
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I connected to that. What is the risk to the groundwater while the
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leach field is in this situation?
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Where are the closest wells?
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If it
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fails and backs up at this point, it's going to surface in the building, not
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outside.
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That's pretty
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soon.
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There you go.
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I think we did have our water tested.
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Oh, yes, we did. Everything's fine.
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Where are the wells, really? Just out of curiosity.
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You got a map I know.
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There's a map in the office downstairs.
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I know the Alexander's is-
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Yeah. Right next to their bulkhead, but in, like right on the other cellar
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And then I don't know where the well is for the Wilson building.
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It's on a map we could look at. Thank you. I'm glad everyone's looking into this.
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Yeah. No, this is active pursuit.
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Thank you for getting those numbers.
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Yeah.
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I think the numbers are somewhat helpful and certainly will be helpful for budget
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meetings. I think we
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had been talking, generally talking, it would...
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I mean, if we could do it next year, make it through next year, we could probably
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benefit from getting estimates on more frequent pumping if it, I don't know
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exactly when the last pump was, and
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well, I mean, you say do it once a year. Or is it once every six months?
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We'd rather err on the side of caution.
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You think-
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There's such few users in this building
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... I think it was last year, maybe year before.
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It wasn't that long ago we were pumping.
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Okay.
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It got a while without-
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Okay
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... well, off the schedule.
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I see.
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I think it's employing that right now.
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350 a pop.
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It's-
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To get you through a long-
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I know
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... one year.
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It last done in 2023.
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Well, I think we should do that.
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Technically it's due according to our new ordinance anyways.
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Yeah, I was going to say, that's-
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We can probably go ahead then.
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Always pre-orders over.
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Get it pumped. We need a motion for that? To have it pumped this year?
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I think the motion's old now.
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I'd like to make a motion that with all due haste we get the septic tank
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pumped in light of our concerns and in light of the fact that it's due.
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I second it.
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All those in favor of that motion?
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Aye.
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Any opposed?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Other business? Any other business?
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Public comment?
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Okay.
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Looks like-
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I'm going to ask a question of you, so you go right ahead.
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Oh, okay.
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Sure. Hi, everyone. I wanted to touch on three things tonight.
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The first of which is a week ago we had 20 youth graduates from UVM's Historical
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Press program, who to the function together a year ago.
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They come down and they look at crafting, they learn about some historic press
[1:00:51]
things. They also learn a lot about small towns in Vermont.
[1:00:54]
What I wanted to mention was a particular thanking to Morgan McKim for talking with
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the group. They went to Burke Meeting House, then they came here, Eagle Brook, the
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old fire station. They got them some lunch, and then, the Turner Interpret Center,
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then the Burrillville Camp. But they really enjoyed being here.
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Thank you both very much for taking time out of your table to talk to them.
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Of course.
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Just by way, very quick way of background, we've done this for two years now, and
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because it happens a lot of times, the students are brand new.
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They've been students for two and a half weeks.
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Almost none of them are from Vermont. They really know absolutely nothing.
[1:01:28]
They're beginning, they think, the career of historic press, they've just learned
[1:01:32]
it, you know, and they know nothing about Vermont, or about small towns, Vermont
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certainly not their home. So to bring them here, it's fun to do, but it's also
[1:01:41]
really eye-opening, and it kind of puts Grafton, Vermont before a group of people
[1:01:46]
who might not otherwise even know it was here, much less all the wonderful history
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that it has. And, given that we were just talking about septic and municipal and
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things, part of that day is focused on water and septic.
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Mm-hmm.
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And all the challenges that we have in this town, which I know are replicated in
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other towns, too.
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So again, thank you both for doing that.
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Yeah.
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The second thing is Act 250, which I believe the town was notified on.
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So here again, this is another statement of gratitude. Thank you. I was grateful.
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Thank you so much for supporting our application for that.
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The Women Foundation did get its permit.
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It took 14 months and a lot of money to make that happen, and it's
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been a journey that has not always been enjoyable.
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But I appreciate the support of the town in lettering our application and in
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speaking. Cathy, thank you for speaking at the hearing, and in favor of this as
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well. I believe you have a copy of the actual permit.
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I've got it in the computer.
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It goes on and on in great detail. There are 27 points.
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Yeah.
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There are just a couple I thought might be worth surfacing here today.
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Mm-hmm.
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We asked the Act 250 Commission to approve up to 24 events a year, and to do
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that with categories rather than individual named events.
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We gave examples of some events, like a brunch, for example.
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But the request was, could you approve by category?
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Their advice to us was, "Group the categories by size." Which we did.
[1:03:14]
And so they've approved four small, 18 medium, and two large events in any given
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year. And of course, we'll be in contact with the town community about any of those
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things as they come along. There's a couple of boundaries on that.
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No events on Sundays, unless the VSO, which is already permitted, happens to land
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July 3 on Sunday, in which case that's fine.
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Anytime there's an event though that has any kind of sound amplification of any
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kind-
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Mm-hmm
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... we need to have an employee of ours on site, and recording sound, and they want
[1:03:50]
reports on that for two years.
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So we'll be doing that. Any event that has amplification.
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There's no amplification on-
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Not necessarily.
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For anything that's done at nighttime, other than the PSO, which is already
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permitted, they want us to monitor noise levels and report on those as well, and
[1:04:11]
they have specific ways they want us to report.
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I'm not an audio engineer, but I'm learning slowly how complex some of that is.
[1:04:20]
And then anything that we might do at night, they want us to provide at least a
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one-month notice, any neighbors can request that with us.
[1:04:27]
There's more in there, there's some listings, statements about weapons, recurring
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zones, and all of that, and respecting all that, which of course, we do.
[1:04:36]
And again, the permit, of course, is closely down with the park, and we have to
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credit that with something up here or anywhere else in the city.
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We'll make sure to get there with us. But it was a long road to get that done.
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We're really optimistic, and we're going to try some new events there that the
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community will enjoy, and we're looking forward to doing that in the coming year.
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Dan, could you illustrate for us a little bit about the definition of small,
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medium, and large?
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Yeah. They have a basic numerical headcount.
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So a small event is anything that's up to 50 people,
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and medium is up to 250, and large is 650.
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How does that compare to some things that have been going on for the past month in
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terms of point activity?
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There was a cross-country race on Saturday that came together on very, very, very
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short notice. Some of you may know about this.
[1:05:27]
Bill Saltin, high school,
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called our facilities folks on Wednesday and said, "We have a problem.
[1:05:34]
Can you help us out?" They were planning to host a cross-country meet on Saturday,
[1:05:38]
but there was a rabid coyote sighted on the property, and so they couldn't do the
[1:05:42]
event. And they asked on very little notice, "Can we do it there?" And so
[1:05:48]
Russ, obviously, pulled out the permit and ran down that, and they assured us note
[1:05:53]
that they did not have any device on it and all that, and we marked off the records
[1:05:57]
and all that to guide the park and did all of those things.
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And that was,
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I just got the notice just a moment. I'm sorry to interrupt.
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It qualifies as medium. It was more than 50, but less than 250. Yeah.
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Is there any process by which you would notify the town when things are planned
[1:06:15]
and underway?
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Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Can you clarify?
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If you say notify the town, do you mean literally the select board, or do you mean
[1:06:25]
notify the community, not hold the town at large?
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I think others should maybe pitch in on that issue,
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certainly for our purpose on board here.
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Yeah, especially if we get phone calls.
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Okay.
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The complaints, and we don't know if an event is happening.
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I don't think that would be a problem.
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I mean, when you have a wedding out there, we don't get notified.
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That's the difference. Or do we?
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These events are that the permit is for above and beyond, so it's regular normal
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use.
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Oh, okay.
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So.
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Go ahead.
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Kim gets notified by liquor licensing.
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Yes, because they usually hold outside catering.
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Right.
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I usually okay those and by notification on a regular basis for those who are with
[1:07:12]
you.
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Yeah. So the third thing, of course, is the Grafton Inn,
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and I sent the letter to the select board last week and also to a half a dozen
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organizations in town saying what. You all got the similar letter.
[1:07:29]
Letting you know what you know, which is we learned earlier this month, right
[1:07:33]
around Labor Day, that Angela Thompsock, who's going to leave the Grafton Inn, is
[1:07:38]
taking a new opportunity at Farnum Estate over in West Dover.
[1:07:42]
And she lets know that her intended departure date is actually this Monday, which
[1:07:46]
is Friday. There's a little celebration for her. I was there for a thing over here.
[1:07:51]
And her husband, Kirk, who's also been with me for many, many years will be with us
[1:07:55]
through the end of November, and then he, too, will be moving on.
[1:08:01]
This was news that was a surprise to all of us, and it's been a lot to digest.
[1:08:06]
I've spent most of my time in the last two to three weeks,
[1:08:11]
I think, on exactly this, on how we do a few different things.
[1:08:14]
How we say goodbye to someone, eventually two someones, but really put
[1:08:20]
their mark on the Grafton Inn in very profound ways.
[1:08:24]
Angela has been a model of really outstanding leadership, a person who has
[1:08:30]
very, very strong skills when it comes to operations and financial management, as
[1:08:35]
well as remarkable vision for things that haven't happened yet but could happen.
[1:08:39]
And the Tufts Farm transformation from years ago, as I mentioned that in my letter,
[1:08:43]
is a very good example of that, but there are many, many other examples of the
[1:08:48]
brave chiefs brought. Kirk, his official title is bar and beverage manager.
[1:08:53]
He does do that job. He does a lot more than that.
[1:08:56]
He's also a very talented carpenter and has done quite a bit of work.
[1:09:00]
He built the wine dark some years ago and many other projects, so we're going to
[1:09:03]
miss them terribly. So that does bring us to what comes next.
[1:09:09]
Since I feel my tendency to say, "Well, it's my first reaction, so we should go
[1:09:14]
ahead with what we said."
[1:09:17]
And we did have a lot of lead time to adjust to that change, so about
[1:09:23]
three weeks. It's gone by very quickly.
[1:09:26]
So I worked with input from Angela to put together an interim plan to take us
[1:09:31]
through the full day of season, which is the busiest time at the inn.
[1:09:36]
There are four of us who are taking on expanded duties. I'm one of those people.
[1:09:41]
I'll be working directly with the sales and events team, which I'll go over some of
[1:09:44]
these.
[1:09:47]
I'll be working directly with the maintenance team, which is something that Angela
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had done. She had her second half, so not just as general manager, but associate
[1:09:54]
director of foundation, and most of that work was maintenance team.
[1:09:57]
I'll take that on in a variety of tasks for me.
[1:10:02]
Bill Kunert, who you may or may not know, if you know Bill, Bill is our part-time
[1:10:06]
director of finance. Bill is going to take on expanded duties around the world of
[1:10:11]
cash and finance that Angela had personal managed for many, many years, and he'll
[1:10:14]
be working on all of those many pieces.
[1:10:17]
And then inside the inn, I've asked Kirk, who again, we have until November, to
[1:10:23]
take on some expanded duties and pull together the different departments that form
[1:10:27]
up everything related to food and beverage and dining and kitchen and all of that,
[1:10:32]
and Kirk's agreed to do that. Similarly, Shawn Goldsmith has agreed to do
[1:10:36]
essentially the same thing on the logic side of the house.
[1:10:39]
So everything that relates to housekeeping, the front desk, and guest services, and
[1:10:43]
all that, he's taking on some expanded duties there.
[1:10:47]
So that's intended to sort of help us get through the busiest time of the year.
[1:10:52]
I'll be here in town more than I normally am. My normal schedule is on site.
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It's Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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I'll be here four days, sometimes more, depending on what's going on.
[1:11:03]
As we get through the next couple of months, I'll be present more and trying to
[1:11:07]
help provide some supports to the inn and the maintenance teams and other things as
[1:11:11]
well. Unfortunately, we realized that it's a tough moment to
[1:11:17]
throw a gala, which we really had wanted to do to celebrate turning 25 years again.
[1:11:22]
And we've been working on that for quite some time.
[1:11:25]
But given all of the change and all of the things that we're doing right now, we
[1:11:28]
just decided we needed to postpone that.
[1:11:30]
So we're pushing that off into next year, but then future date.
[1:11:33]
So everything I've described to you in the last two minutes is how we plan to get
[1:11:38]
through the next couple of months.
[1:11:40]
At the same time that we're doing that, we need to search for a new general manager
[1:11:45]
of the Grafton Inn, and that person will have very big shoes to fill.
[1:11:50]
As Angela's done such a wonderful job.
[1:11:52]
So working with the board to put together a search that will, in
[1:11:58]
the end, bring us a new general manager.
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I've had many conversations with the managers at the inn now.
[1:12:04]
They know everything that you're getting today, they know all of this.
[1:12:08]
I've encouraged all of them to express an interest in that role.
[1:12:11]
If they want to express an interest in that role, we would love to consider them.
[1:12:15]
We'll also consider some candidates as well.
[1:12:19]
So we have busy time ahead of us in the next couple of months, and with the
[1:12:24]
exception, again, being postponed, everything that was already scheduled is on.
[1:12:29]
All of the weddings, dinners, dining for the public, house guests, all of that.
[1:12:35]
Next week, we will welcome our first bus load. It is a bus load.
[1:12:39]
We call them road scholars. They're folks who go around from time to time to town,
[1:12:44]
traveling and visiting and learning about the places they go.
[1:12:47]
So we'll send that first 86 buses of the week, and we have that for five weeks in a
[1:12:51]
row. We have weddings scheduled for all of one weekend in October.
[1:12:57]
The board will be here at the end of October for a meeting.
[1:13:01]
Olivia just booked the Vermont House and Conservation Board for an overnight
[1:13:05]
retreat also at the end of October.
[1:13:07]
So all of those things continue, and- I'm really blessed to have
[1:13:13]
a really talented group of people working over there that's going to help us get
[1:13:17]
through a challenging time. So you mentioned you had a question, and others might
[1:13:21]
as well, and we're happy to try to answer them.
[1:13:24]
I yield to the board first.
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Well,
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I just wanted to comment.
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So you have your hands full right now.
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I do.
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And I wish you well.
[1:13:40]
I know there
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was a couple meetings I hadn't attended that you've had for the community.
[1:13:47]
Yeah.
[1:13:48]
One of which you discussed the five-year plan.
[1:13:51]
Can you go into any detail about that?
[1:13:53]
Yeah.
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And we don't have any information on it.
[1:13:55]
No, that's fine. Yeah, I think you're referring to the strategic plan-
[1:13:58]
Right
[1:13:59]
... we completed in February and shared in May, in order to suddenly give you
[1:14:03]
actually two board apologies. Looking for that, I'll send you a copy of it.
[1:14:06]
But I can provide a description briefly.
[1:14:08]
Yeah.
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One for Madam Chair, if I may.
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And
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I really want to respectfully say what I'm about to say.
[1:14:21]
In the minutes last time, the board discussed the possibility of inviting
[1:14:26]
Dan to a select board meeting, and also it was mentioned that he might be
[1:14:32]
invited to a planning commission meeting.
[1:14:36]
And if that had been the case, his presence would've been warned, and then members
[1:14:41]
of the public who are interested in hearing about these activities with Dan, and
[1:14:47]
specifically the five-year strategy, which is pointed out in the minutes,
[1:14:51]
this would have been discussed in a public
[1:14:57]
warned meeting. This is all extremely valuable and interesting
[1:15:03]
information. But because it's being made in the public comment section, it's not
[1:15:09]
part of a warned agenda. And I think before we go into the deeply, the topic of the
[1:15:14]
five-year strategy, it would be really helpful to say we're going
[1:15:20]
to conduct this session publicly.
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For what it's worth, I'm willing to conduct
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any meeting-
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Yeah
[1:15:32]
... we did originally
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book. Maybe we're not even going to schedule the meeting.
[1:15:37]
Right.
[1:15:37]
I'm happy to do that.
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And if you don't wish to get into it now, that's fine.
[1:15:42]
But let me just say it is actually a three-year plan, not a five-year.
[1:15:45]
Oh.
[1:15:45]
We can start that.
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Okay.
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But whatever your preference is, I'm happy to do it.
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I'll speak to that. I was one that did speak up and said it would be great to have
[1:15:57]
Dan come to a meeting. I did not mean it as a
[1:16:03]
just welcoming people to a meeting. Happy to see them here.
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Your point is taken. If this should be an agenda item, I would certainly think
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that's fine.
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I don't think there was any
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intention behind our-
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Right
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... welcome last week. And we're glad to see you.
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So maybe-
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In a formal written item
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... we'll put it in an agenda item next week. That would be fine too.
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Maybe that's the best move.
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Whatever you'd like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Again, I did speak up, and my intention was-
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And I did send you an email
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... simply to be cordial.
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When it was mentioned at our last meeting, sent a personal email to you that
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it's in our best interest that our communication is open and transparent.
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I have no disagreement with that.
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Yeah. But I just wanted to make sure you know where we were coming from.
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Sure.
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Personally, where I was coming from.
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Okay.
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But we can put it on the agenda for next time, Morgan.
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Yeah.
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And if you're available to come in for a meeting, then great.
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Okay. Great.
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And let's plan it all.
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Great.
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And a little bit on that score, it would be useful probably for us to actually see
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the documents.
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Yes. Next time, let me bring something that's more up.
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You had asked me about a few months ago, and we didn't have any graphic design, it
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was just PowerPoint. And I still got it, so I'll give you the PowerPoint version,
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but I wanted to give you a nice polished one for you to have.
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So I'll give you what we have.
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Thank you. Happy to.
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Yeah. Any other public comment?
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So our next, let's see, informational hearing,
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meeting is Tuesday, September 22nd,
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6:00 PM at the Grafton Elementary School, and that's a hearing to,
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on the STR that the vote would be the next two days on the 24th.
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Any questions on that?
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And our next regular meeting is Monday, October 5th, 2026 at 6:00 PM.
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And I need a motion to go into executive session
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1BSA
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31314 to discuss stormwater drain
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matters.
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So moved.
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Sure.
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All in favor of that?
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Aye.
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Second.
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So we will move to adjourn to executive session.
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And then a motion
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after the executive session?
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The action item?
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Yes.
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Is to,
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Morgan, to reconvene my thing, I think?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the motion.
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Oh, making a motion that we continue dialogue with the attorney regarding
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the stormwater drain,
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and we'll respond and
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to fine-tune the draft, et cetera.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay.
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Do I have a second?
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Second.
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Okay. All in favor of that motion?
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Aye.
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Sure.
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Any opposed? Okay.
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Now we need a motion to adjourn.
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Motion moved.
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Second.
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All in favor?
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Yeah.
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Aye.
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Aye.
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Second.
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