[0:00] Posting update 30, let's go ahead and get started. Microphones on. We'll start with the pledge.

[0:09] United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty.

[0:21] Welcome to day two of budget, almost week. It is October 1st, hard to believe, but it is October 1st.

[0:32] We do have a regular B.O.C.C. meeting to start off.

[0:36] with and we did have one request for an agenda change and that is from the sheriff to have him do an update regarding fire restrictions some time around 1030.

[0:52] We need to, I guess, officially do that or vote on that for an agenda change or can we just note that.

[0:58] Max isn't here.

[1:04] Just noted, we're going to have the sheriff give an update for five or six and around 10

[1:08] 30 after whenever he's got a meeting he needs to be at to get an update on that.

[1:13] So that would be the only agenda change that I know of.

[1:16] Anyone else?

[1:19] All right. So first of all, we will do, I don't, do we have a set of board minutes? I don't think we do.

[1:24] So, you did not have any minutes to approve this week.

[1:30] I saw.

[1:32] So next up is finance, the approval of the weekly payments.

[1:37] Good morning commissioners, Curtis Lang with Accounting.

[1:40] This week's batch of vouchers is a bit over $213,000, we're estimated cost for the district

[1:49] district attorney's operations.

[1:52] This is paying their final bill for the new roof on Cremling, which was made

[2:01] at cost for our third ownership.

[2:06] Abernash Meadows, Water and Sewer,

[2:10] and our monthly electric bill is $14,000.

[2:14] Do you have any questions?

[2:17] Any questions for Curtis?

[2:23] Hearing none, I would entertain a motion.

[2:25] I moved to approve vouchers and where payments presented on Tuesday, October 1st, 2024, for payment on Wednesday, October 2nd, 2024, for

[2:35] Graham County in the Department of Human Services and vouchers for the Graham County Housing Authority.

[2:42] Discussion on the motion.

[2:46] All in favor?

[2:47] All right, thank you.

[2:51] So next up is any general public comments?

[2:55] First of all, anyone in the room?

[2:57] It's just these two.

[3:01] I am not seen one, and person in the room.

[3:05] Is there anyone online?

[3:06] Two phone numbers online.

[3:08] No one has their hands raised.

[3:09] Anybody online?

[3:11] Unmuted.

[3:12] Would like to speak, introduce yourselves,

[3:14] and unmute yourselves, and speak.

[3:29] Okay, no one unmuted.

[3:30] No one unmuted, so I guess we don't have any public comment today.

[3:34] Okay, so next up then is administrative business departments first, first up is water protection.

[3:55] Are these on?

[3:57] Okay.

[3:57] Good.

[3:57] Yeah.

[3:58] Okay.

[3:59] So I have Catherine Morris Water Quality Manager.

[4:04] I have for you today a letter of support for the Bureau of Land Management's grant application for B2E funds.

[4:12] This is for three projects.

[4:15] The locations include a half mile of BLM land on the Frazier River upstream of Granby

[4:22] Ranch.

[4:23] This is referred to as the Frazier Canyon site, learning by doing, and been looking at

[4:27] this site for a long time.

[4:30] So I'm happy to see that it's included in this package for funding.

[4:34] And there's a two mile section of the roughly two mile section of the Colorado River at Blue

[4:39] Valley Ranch.

[4:40] referred to as the Confluence Recreation Area Site and nine discrete parcels

[4:47] managed by the BLM along 1.7 miles on the Colorado near Kremlin referred to

[4:54] as the Junction buttes buttes sites. So I have to read all this. This is not

[5:00] This is my project.

[5:02] These are to alleviate stream temperatures, problems with sedimentation

[5:08] and erosion, re-vegetate, riparian habitat, and build drought resiliency.

[5:15] And then, the

[5:17] confluence recreation area site is undergoing a change in ownership through the land exchange,

[5:22] which I think you all are familiar with, is that correct? Very much. Working on for long.

[5:28] Okay.

[5:28] All right, so I won't go into that.

[5:31] So the recommendation is, oh, the total amount of funds

[5:35] has not yet been determined.

[5:37] They didn't supply that information to me

[5:39] with a grant application.

[5:41] It was really in the preliminary stages,

[5:43] but the letter of support is due tomorrow.

[5:46] And so the recommendation is just to sign the letter of support.

[5:51] Okay, any questions for Catherine?

[5:54] Any additional comments, Mr. Moyer?

[5:56] No, I think these are good projects, I just, you know, they've been on the list for a long time of needed restoration in those areas and I just applaud BLM for stepping up and going for federal funding to get that done.

[6:13] We had a brief discussion before about, you know, other entities going after that same funding as we know there's going to be a giant ask from the River District from that same fund.

[6:22] but even from our last round table meeting, there was discussion from the River District

[6:28] about they themselves are also signing letters of support for very good projects like

[6:35] this just because of that fund is so large and they don't feel that it would be competing

[6:41] so I don't think there's an issue there for this stream restoration.

[6:46] And yeah, you guys have been working on the Blue Valley Land Exchange with BLM and the land

[6:51] donors for a long, long time. And so some of this funding would enhance. It's not specific

[6:58] to the blue river parcels at all. It's just the Colorado at the confluence. Is that correct?

[7:05] There are the discrete parcels and then there's the two miles.

[7:09] But it's not on the blue river, though. They're all Colorado River.

[7:13] Yeah, you're right. Yes, you're correct.

[7:15] So, and then commissioners with regard to those junction bute parcels, excuse me, which are above the highway nine bridge south of Cremeling, so that section above, you know, the, the highway VK group.

[7:34] And all the projects they've been doing above the bridge and actually below the bridge on Thompson's.

[7:40] That severe head cut on the river that they have, I think, really studied really hard and did a lot of engineering surrounding that.

[7:53] There's just going to be some needed coordination between BLM and the ILVK group surrounding that matter.

[8:02] and a few years ago it's been probably five or six now talking with Paula

[8:09] from BLM she's aware of it so going into the future there's going to be some

[8:14] needed coordination so whatever BLM does on those parcels doesn't impact what's

[8:20] already been sort of alleviated on the other ones if that makes any sense it does

[8:27] But we can, we'll, we can try to facilitate and coordinate that later on down the road.

[8:36] Any other questions for Catherine or comments on this project?

[8:41] I would assume this needs a motion for approval, would that be accurate?

[8:47] Execute the letter of support, yes.

[8:50] Motion for approval to execute a letter of support for the project as described by Catherine

[8:54] Morris.

[8:56] So we didn't take that motion.

[8:57] So moved.

[8:58] Okay.

[8:59] All right, any discussion on the motion?

[9:04] On favor.

[9:05] Aye.

[9:07] Thank you, Catherine.

[9:08] Yep, thank you.

[9:17] Thank you, Catherine.

[9:18] I think next up is human services.

[9:20] So that's deep.

[9:25] Board of commissioners, Deborah,

[9:26] Director of Human Services.

[9:27] You have in the drop box contract

[9:29] between the Board of County commissioners

[9:31] and Mountain Family Center

[9:33] for the amount not to exceed $20,000 to utilize our temporary assistance to needy family funds to support housing assistance for eligible residents.

[9:48] And that contract will go through May 31st of 2025.

[9:53] Okay, any questions for Deb on that?

[9:55] I'm going to make sure that the system is working.

[10:00] Hearing none, I would entertain a motion for that. I move that we approve the services contract between Mountain Family Center and Grand County Board of County Commissioners as presented regarding use of TANF funds. I think that covers it. Any discussion on the motion?

[10:22] All in favor? All right, next up is Grand County Sheriff, and that's what we're going to move until 10.30, so that's the one agenda.

[10:33] in the item that we are changing.

[10:41] So we will go on to attorney items.

[10:44] You've got nothing.

[10:47] Managers or anything?

[10:49] No, sir.

[10:51] Okay, there's one thing, Mr. Chair.

[10:54] Do you remember that letter from Mayor Frazier?

[10:57] Is that letter ready?

[10:58] They're all under board business, yes, sir.

[11:01] Okay.

[11:03] Okay, I think we'll go ahead and do that first if there's nothing else for

[11:09] That's turning your manager, so board business and we do have the, we'll go ahead with Commissioner Jimina with what you referenced.

[11:17] Later, I think that you referenced.

[11:20] It was a request from Mayor Frazier that we support a speed study.

[11:26] The parts of US 40 that they're asking for seed out to do speed study on includes just a little bit that's into the town of one of the parking a little bit that's an unincorporated Grand County.

[11:38] My fellow commissioners may have some concerns, sometimes citizens are in a hurry and anyway, I support doing the study

[11:45] I think it will likely reduce the speed, but there is that risk always, there's I think brand is aware that

[11:49] Speed could go up, I think it's unlikely. Anyway, I didn't want to assume you all support the

[11:54] I support assigning this, do you have some concerns or any questions?

[11:57] Well, the only concern that I think I should voice is that exactly what you said, sometimes speed studies go the wrong way

[12:03] They want to do a speed study so people will slow down and that's not that what actually happens

[12:08] Because speed studies are a measurement of what people, the average speed of what people

[12:15] are doing on that road, more or less.

[12:18] But if that average is what's higher than it's posted, then sometimes it gets changed

[12:23] or faster.

[12:25] And sometimes that's not what the people that are making the complaints are wanting.

[12:29] So I think it's important to voice that.

[12:31] So I really saw what they're doing the study to get that average down, so yes I think we

[12:39] would support that, knowing that there is sometimes unintended consequences for what

[12:44] the people are wanting.

[12:47] I would entertain a motion for that.

[12:49] I move that we approve and have the chair sign this letter of support for a speed management

[12:56] that's been studied around and through the town of Frazier as requested by the mayor of Frazier.

[13:05] Any discussion on the motion?

[13:12] On favor?

[13:12] Aye.

[13:13] Aye.

[13:14] Thank you.

[13:15] Everyone.

[13:17] Okay.

[13:17] Commissioner's also in your box.

[13:21] Request you make a motion regarding the CCI legislative committee designation to ratify

[13:27] the approval and authorize Commissioner Linky to execute designated designating Commissioner

[13:33] Linky as designee and Commissioner Chimino as alternate.

[13:39] So I would entertain that motion.

[13:42] Move that we declare a linky to be our designee for the CCI legislative committee and declare

[13:54] that commissioner Chimino be the alternate for that position.

[14:01] Any discussion on the motion?

[14:05] There is a legislative, I guess, issues meeting this Friday.

[14:10] I do plan to attend in person unless something goes haywire then I will attend via the Zoom.

[14:16] There's also CCI Board Meeting at 8 o'clock before the, I also plan to attend so that is

[14:24] this Friday. But anyway, that's all the discussion I have. Any other discussion on this motion

[14:28] for designated voter?

[14:33] Done? All in favor? Aye. Aye.

[14:38] All right. Thank you. Do I just sign that one? That's retroactive actually. So there's nothing

[14:44] to actually sign. We had staff stamp. You left. Oh, that's right. We did that. That is correct.

[14:50] Okay. Anything else under board business? Yes. Okay. Go ahead.

[14:53] but some commissioners also in your box is some information regarding the county.

[15:00] A bash that's a middle part medical foundation fundraiser, and the town of Kremlin has already issued a special event liquor license for that, but as you know, the county and the town jointly own the Kremlin Airport even though it's in town, we're requesting you to,

[15:20] oh, what's the correct verbiage, authorize the sale of alcohol at the Kremlin Airport property.

[15:29] That's

[15:32] Friday, Friday October 4th starts at 5.30.

[15:35] I would entertain a motion then for this request.

[15:40] Move that we approve the special event permit for the Middle Park Medical Foundation for

[15:48] an event to be held at the Femaling Airport on October 4th between 5.30 and 10 p.m.

[15:58] Yes,

[16:02] that I believe that covers it, is there any discussion on the motion?

[16:10] All in favor?

[16:11] Aye.

[16:13] Also, information in your box, October is domestic violence awareness month.

[16:19] Also there is a caverc media day this Friday starting at 10 a.m., commissioners you're invited.

[16:26] If you're going to attend, please let us know.

[16:29] I believe we need to RSVP the National Park by, what was it, Thursday, Thursday evening?

[16:39] What is that date?

[16:40] This Friday, the 4th at 10 a.m., I'm not going to make that one.

[16:45] They were getting all sorts of, you know, project requests and media requests.

[16:50] And so they're going to just have a media day and invite the public as well to see, you know, all the great accomplishments.

[16:58] with that project and some of the fencing and the return

[17:07] of thought but the beaver analogues.

[17:11] Thank you.

[17:12] You were analogues.

[17:13] Those are dealt by the trained beaver task force.

[17:17] Anyway, you're invited.

[17:18] If you wish to attend, please let us know.

[17:21] If any staff going?

[17:22] Absolutely.

[17:23] Kaylee will definitely be there.

[17:24] I believe Catherine is also attending.

[17:27] I will

[17:29] not be able to attend.

[17:31] I'll let you know tomorrow.

[17:37] What else you got?

[17:40] So, CDOT, I believe, will be on the agenda, I think, next week, the 8th.

[17:48] And commissioners, were there anything specific?

[17:52] We were,

[17:55] maybe they could speak more on the speed study, update on red dirt hill, also update,

[18:02] maybe on the passing lanes.

[18:04] that project. I haven't been up that way in quite a while. I don't know where they're out on that.

[18:09] And then the various paving projects. So is there anything else in particular that you would like them to update on?

[18:16] I had a call from a citizen and it seems like there's been two rollovers on birthed by trucks.

[18:25] Those are pretty serious. And I wonder if there's different signings that needs to go up there or, I don't know, it seems like it's really,

[18:33] There's a lot of truck semi truck traffic gravel trucks belly dumps side dumps whatever over birth of this year

[18:40] And I don't know where they're hauling from or two

[18:42] I

[18:46] don't

[18:50] I might be able to ask him about that

[18:54] Anything else?

[18:55] I'll go ahead and I'm bridge

[19:00] Their adoption of

[19:06] That's on the last one. All right

[19:08] One other thing while I'm thinking about it. I think we actually commissioned Chimino brought this up yesterday about the county signs

[19:14] the slow udonky down kind of signs. But CIDOT has a really bad sign fatigue problem.

[19:22] For example on highway 125 there's an open range cows on highway. There has been cows on the

[19:27] highway since 2001. And I think that that's just one example. And I think there is some examples

[19:33] of sign fatigue and maybe they could do a little bit better job of flashing lights or something on

[19:39] bad corners or whatever. I think it's just something worth taking a look.

[19:46] Time fatigue.

[19:50] People, they see that same sign for 400 times, they don't pay attention to it.

[19:54] out there, and same thing sometimes even even

[20:00] This summer, the road construction projects on Highway 40, there was warning slowdown signs, but then there was no construction. So after a few times passed that you ignore it, and then the next day there is construction, so get the mess. So even the immediate sign fatigue problems, but also the long-term sign fatigue problems.

[20:20] Okay, so I got.

[20:24] I weigh passing lanes north of Kremlin. They're working vigorously.

[20:30] is prep the sub-base for the outer lanes and there yet, there's a lot of material.

[20:41] Yes,

[20:43] the project took a lot more than the guy initially.

[20:51] Okay, that's all, proceed out, I guess.

[20:54] What else got there in the smear?

[21:03] Anything else in there?

[21:30] Okay, I think that's it.

[21:34] Okay, so I guess we could do, unless there's any other correspondence or anything that commissioners need to bring up, we could do calendars.

[21:43] This

[22:01] is Commissioner Chimino and so I'll just let my fellow commissioners know that I will be out of town the next two Tuesdays.

[22:13] Eighth in the 15th.

[22:14] Yeah, private business on the 8th, that will be available to Hop-On Zoom call, just not during certain times.

[22:24] For example, the early breakfast meeting that should be over by 9 a.m., that have a lunch meeting, so there will be a window there the morning I can hop on.

[22:35] I appreciate the flexibility, you know, if naturally two commissioners conduct any business at all.

[22:43] If, for some reason, a contentious issue is out there, I'll do my best to top on if I want to fight for those items.

[22:54] I'm sure you can manage that, sir.

[22:56] On the 15th, I'll be at Mount Towns 2020, or 2030.

[23:00] That's that environmental agreement.

[23:01] That's a cast, sponsor thing, or an answer.

[23:04] They're related, and there's a cast meeting kind of at the tail end of it, but separate groups, but yeah, the cast is.

[23:13] So that one should be a little more flexible, just a conference, but I can hop out of any offer, but it's all look at the agenda and welcome, you know, yourself or the manager to say, rich, these are the items where that's

[23:31] next two, two days.

[23:33] If there's something, as you look through that stuff that comes out beforehand, if there's something that you would definitely want to weigh in, I'll just let us know, or if you have an adamantly opposition to, and we need to hear that, I guess, or we could hear that beforehand.

[23:47] Curtis, the 15th is preliminary budget determination?

[23:51] Yes, sir.

[23:51] Okay.

[23:51] anything

[24:01] else for calendars so

[24:07] it's not something that we need to notice but on

[24:11] Saturday I'll be involved in a stream management tour if

[24:20] any site as well as

[24:21] companies managers

[24:30] strange looks why is that private

[24:38] tours oh it's part of

[24:51] the

[24:51] That's why I mentioned it so you'd know.

[24:54] Thank you.

[24:55] And on the 10th, there's Northwest TPR meeting in freight.

[25:00] I'm

[25:08] really disappointed that Rich will not be in attendance at our annual Jail Inspection next Tuesday. Yeah, that is, I was going to bring that up also. The annual Jail Inspection has next Tuesday scheduled roughly at lunchtime 11, 15 or so.

[25:27] Mr. Chimino, since you mentioned the 15th as well, that's on some monthly strategy call with Waller and McClosey. Thank you.

[25:33] Yeah, I'll probably be able to join that.

[25:36] Oh.

[25:37] Yeah.

[25:39] Okay.

[25:44] The first schedule.

[25:46] What was the terminology that chief wouldn't get used?

[25:52] It's on the email response last 90 cents.

[25:54] It's a pretty good article from Denver Post.

[25:55] But it described legislation that I think is all about building.

[26:00] It wasn't about that like the word.

[26:03] Like when you don't do a delivery.

[26:06] You're there, you're doing some supplies, but you don't deliver, and it's like three words.

[26:09] I thought I'd put the note, but I was looking at my notes at home, and I'm looking here.

[26:12] I can't find that term.

[26:14] From his email?

[26:15] No, it wasn't an email.

[26:16] We talked, it was written down during the media.

[26:18] I said, hey, guys, I'm going to ask Waller McClosie to look what is going on at the state and federal level when it comes to X.

[26:26] It's like, preventative.

[26:32] Maybe we can...

[26:35] Are you going to last night try to ask him?

[26:37] What was that term?

[26:39] Anyway, I'll try to get that today and we'll try to get that off to them maybe when we have that call on the 15th, Mr. George.

[26:47] They claim to be very plugged in when it comes to healthcare stuff at the state and federal level.

[26:51] So I think that's a nice area that can benefit a lot of colonial counties and Colorado EMS departments if that can start being talked about, about being able to bill.

[27:03] It won't do a transport.

[27:07] He did use a term for that.

[27:09] Well, I'm looking at that email also just to see in the letter, it's not in his email, it's in.

[27:19] Oh, it was something he talked about yesterday.

[27:31] Surprise billing, that's different.

[27:38] House bill 1218.

[27:57] We'll get it, we'll get the term, but-

[27:58] Yeah, we'll get it.

[27:59] I don't think it was for intersurprise billing, but-

[28:02] No, it had to do with pre-transportation treatment service.

[28:08] Oh, yeah.

[28:11] No, it wasn't tied to the super-role transportation rate.

[28:13] It was about providing services or providing medical services on site services.

[28:21] Treatment, prior to transport, or whatever that is.

[28:24] Yeah, they think it's an accurate and important thing.

[28:26] But they don't transport, but they do try it on site.

[28:29] Okay, so they don't really do much now.

[28:34] Right, but they don't get compensation for it.

[28:38] That's right, and we get paid for it if they don't transport.

[28:44] Okay, as I mentioned earlier on my calendar is CCI meeting on Friday.

[28:49] The CCI board is at 8 o'clock, and then the whole legislative issues discussion follows that at nine until two or how long it takes.

[29:00] I will be attending either via Zoom or in-person.

[29:04] Okay.

[29:07] Anything else on the board business correspondence?

[29:10] Founders.

[29:17] Hearing none, do we need to jump into budget?

[29:21] In place.

[29:22] Treatment in place, there you go.

[29:24] Austin just tested, Mike.

[29:27] Treatment in place.

[29:28] On site.

[29:29] In place.

[29:36] Are we good to start budget hearings early,

[29:41] 15?

[29:46] Okay, soon as you're ready, then we'll go ahead and start with our first budget hearing today, which is economic

[29:56] development, which is Diane Butler and she's here.

[30:00] Chair, withers, soon as we're ready. I'll give you a quick update on our change. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's do that. Let's do the budget summary from yesterday and update on that first. And then, Diane, you'll be right after that.

[30:13] I do like the picture up there today at

[31:05] an acronym, TIP.

[31:19] This is just a review of the changes in the hearings yesterday. We started off the hearings with a projected surplus of 8,343,000.

[31:34] dollars. The district attorney increased his wages, there was a change in the statutes

[31:41] for our

[31:45] airports, adjusted their federal and state grants, they reduced the amount, we're

[31:51] going to be reimbursed.

[31:56] 13,000 and state went down by 6,000.

[32:06] Corresponding reduction in

[32:08] In cost, so we use his expenses for federal and state reimburse cost of $119,000 to earn $78.00.

[32:20] And the county match on cost was reduced by $6,000 to earn $79.00.

[32:27] We corrected an error in the foreigners personnel cost, $2,646.00.

[32:36] increased EMS chief reduced his meetings and trainings by 26,000.

[32:43] So that takes us to a new vector surplus of 8,365,630, that's

[32:53] where we stand.

[32:55] Okay, questions for Curtis on that before we go on.

[33:01] Hearing none, we'll go ahead and start with economic development, so Diane Butler is here.

[33:05] Good morning, commissioners.

[33:07] I am Butler of Grand County Economic Development on the budget that I submitted on the draft

[33:14] budget.

[33:15] The only change that I'd mentioned at the update within Tiro is that I would like to see

[33:23] about maybe getting 10,000 more into my budget for administering the data information and keeping

[33:31] being a current that is all coming off of the tourism EDA revitalization plan.

[33:38] There's a lot of really rich data, but we want to keep it current.

[33:44] So once a year, it would be great to be able to review it and update it and

[33:49] maybe contract somebody to do that work.

[33:55] Okay, any questions for Diane regarding that?

[33:58] Not sure, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chimino.

[34:01] Thanks, Dan.

[34:03] I support us doing this, even if it has to be from the General Fund.

[34:07] However, I would certainly like to see if we can use tourism tax dollars to fund that contract.

[34:17] We might prefer route, but it might be in a relatively small amount.

[34:21] I don't think it'll affect the overall budget of the tourism board to a great degree.

[34:25] However, should that, you know, be impossible, then I would support the journal fund doing it.

[34:30] I really like to pursue the tourism board funding that, and we do that every year.

[34:36] So, you know, so I guess that would be a decision for the commissioners and the tourism, you know,

[34:43] what their budget looks like.

[34:47] Some of the data is probably more economic development specific, but some of it will be very helpful

[34:54] for the doors and board. So a lot of business related information.

[35:00] Motion that will allow everybody in the county to keep more efficient updated data.

[35:11] Okay. So what, can I just jump in? Yeah. So are you proposing adding 10,000 to the tourism board budget? Or are you proposing to keep 10,000 in here and directing us to figure it out if we can maybe do a split or even all of it out of tourism board? What's your direction?

[35:35] Well, that actually leads to some unanswered questions.

[35:40] First of all, the tourism ballot question hasn't been approved yet that we can use that

[35:46] money for something else, it may, or we could use, I guess, tourism money for part of

[35:50] it, like you said, some of it is directly related to tourism advertising, which is acceptable

[35:55] uses now.

[35:57] Well, it's directed, yeah, it's directed to rich information that would help with tourism

[36:02] decisions.

[36:02] in some cases.

[36:05] So I guess the question that is before us today is simple and that is to add this money

[36:12] to your budget.

[36:13] And I guess it would come up to us later how that gets funded from whatever source.

[36:20] And we actually reduced my budget again this year before I thought about the fact that I wanted

[36:27] to keep this data current.

[36:28] So, we reduced 20,000 out of professional services because data fives being paid for by the

[36:37] tourism board that, you know, originally was in my budget.

[36:44] I'm just, I guess, I think what you're asking, I'm going to paraphrase what you just said

[36:50] or what you just thought actually.

[36:52] What you're asking is that are we going to approve this request contingent upon funding

[36:58] from an evasource?

[36:59] And I think the answer is no, because I think we want to fund this anyway.

[37:03] So I think what I would ask, and you guys certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but what I asked

[37:07] the financing to do is say, is go ahead and add this in there, but maybe put an asterisk

[37:12] by it so that we can be reminded to look into where this money is going to come from.

[37:20] That's on all right, Mr. Chair, if it's okay, Mr. Chimino, yes, that could be, and if it's

[37:28] the only way it could happen, I would support that, but my preference would be very strongly

[37:31] to 100% dictate that the budget we approve, for the tourism board, let's be sure to see

[37:39] it proves that.

[37:39] There will be 10K for this from there.

[37:42] I think the overlap, yeah, we're not going to do 5K, 5K, I just, I think in my opinion,

[37:46] I mean, we should surely try anything that's not state required.

[37:53] And I think it's not legally required for us to do when those things can be funded by other voter approved revenues.

[38:02] We should always lean that way.

[38:05] Now, sometimes it's not there.

[38:07] We've done 300K roughly year after year from the general fund for the donor revised.

[38:11] But as things have happened, so I would say my decision would prefer that we direct finance to not add 10K.

[38:21] Thank you for the 20k savings, but that we're going to add 10k to the tourism board.

[38:28] I assume I haven't looked yet and I assume there's some 2025 budget that the tourism board proposed that is reserved.

[38:38] not. We'll see. And maybe we'll have to wait. We could say that now with the TV

[38:43] D on the vote outcome. There's no member. Then there'll definitely be funds available.

[38:48] But if you prefer the other way, you know, I think we're actually kind of saying the same thing. It's just put an

[38:53] asterisk by this. We're going to fund it. And we could, we could, we could, I could agree with

[38:57] Commissioner Chimino. We can, we can prioritize where it's coming from at a tourism

[39:02] $1,000, but we don't know for sure if that's going to come out of the additional change to the tax that might or might not be approved by voters or whatever, but I think we put this money in there, but put an answer it's by this to be determined where it's going to be fund from exactly with a note to prioritize $2,000.

[39:24] Yeah, and I guess I'll just throw up there that I'm always you know looking for grant money

[39:30] So there could be we could find funds that we could apply for to also fund it, you know, but

[39:39] Probably I don't know of any right now. So what's the proper

[39:44] Language for that update so it's a data update for yeah, it would be a contract to continue to update the

[39:52] the county's data information, I guess, you know,

[39:56] or county data.

[40:00] Data and information, same thing. So just data. Oh, the EDA grant was was the tourism revitalization for our purposes today. We're going to add that money in there. Okay. Great. That's wonderful. That's what the finance team needs to do. Okay. We'll put a note by it to determine exactly how they get funded. Okay. Anything else for you? I think everything else I explained to an

[40:33] And we did the, you know, we've, the most of what's in revenue is for the EDA, the new

[40:38] EDA grant and the match is $40,000 that's coming out of the budget for the $200,000 EDA

[40:47] and we're getting ready to do RFPs and you'll also for you to sign the final documents on

[40:54] that.

[40:54] Okay, I'll do, there's

[41:01] no where, or is that okay?

[41:04] Well, premature, but I will say that I'm sure it's fine to mention that, you know, with

[41:11] a gaudy moving out of Tabernasius space, I have had two meetings with those landlords

[41:18] because there's great space there that could be perfect for business incubation and that's

[41:24] kind of incubator programs, and that's kind of what they're looking to lease.

[41:30] So anybody that's currently looking for space, please contact me so I can give you their

[41:34] name because as landlords, they're already actively looking at filling some of that space,

[41:42] but it might be a really amazing space for some of the outcome of this grant, along with

[41:48] other, you know, what I kind of see is if something makes sense for Cremling, there

[41:53] might be space in Cremling, Graham B, you know, but so we'll identify all the possibilities,

[42:01] but that's like almost turn key. It would be really amazing. And so that's just an update

[42:08] on that.

[42:11] Any other questions for Diane?

[42:15] Diane, just could you fill me in a little bit more on professional

[42:19] services. Yes, so that's the.

[42:23] Talk about this analysis of data. Yes, which isn't in there yet, but that's where it would be added.

[42:29] Right now what's in there is mostly this new EDA grant, so 160,000 of EDA funds will pay for the consultant to do the incubator business plan and feasibility study.

[42:44] And then the other little bit of funds that are in there are for

[42:50] Robin who does some of my assistant work, which is also the 10,000 that comes from Freeport,

[42:56] Mac Moran, to pay her to do some of that, and then another 10 that is for throughout the year,

[43:04] which I don't always use that, but throughout the year is we do the economic summit.

[43:09] Sometimes we bring in speakers or for business training programs.

[43:13] and so we are working on a whole business training program in partnership with the Chamber and

[43:23] in Granby and also the library to monthly start doing educational training programs.

[43:31] ADA grant is 200,000.

[43:33] 200,000.

[43:34] So 200 of that is ADA, 160 of it coming in as grant revenue offsetting the total.

[43:41] So we have 40,000 in there.

[43:51] Any other questions for Diane? Anything else for us?

[43:54] Nothing at this time. Okay

[43:58] Sounds good. I guess we will have to call the finance director and see if he

[44:05] Okay, I guess we can break for a bit then until we

[44:09] So we make sure that he's ready

[44:11] Two-minute recess

[44:13] Yes, she's going to raise that's really trying to get, but we take a five minute recess.

[44:17] Yeah, thank you for those offer five.

[44:19] We'll start back up at 10 920.

[44:22] Thank you, Diane.

[44:22] That's a seven minute.

[50:17] Microphone's on, we're going to go on back and start back up with our finance team to present their budget.

[50:26] Finance director, Mr. Curtis, lining, you are up. Thank you, commissioners.

[50:31] Have 11. Sorry.

[50:34] Number 11.

[50:38] Our budget has not gone up mainly due to personnel costs. We have four.

[50:51] large part of our budget each year.

[50:54] The, I also have a lot of professional fees and technical contracts of about $84,750 this year.

[51:06] We are going to

[51:13] roughly $32,000 each year for this open-go software encode.

[51:22] Is there a counting software?

[51:25] I think there'll be about a 7% inflation on that cost $32,500.

[51:33] We have subscriptions for QuickBooks online for various departments like the Fair and Livestock sale.

[51:44] That's 7,000 a year.

[51:47] And we have a new, well, the last couple of years we've used a software called DET Book, which helps us with our,

[51:52] There's some special reporting we have to do each year in our annual reports, and so that software helps us keep track of the leases and the reporting of those of

[52:09] 4,000 in our meetings and training is important to keep up with our profession.

[52:18] question. Is do you have any questions? I actually do. So you mentioned a couple of these

[52:26] other different software debt records and then QuickBooks. Do those things talk to open

[52:36] gov or does that require some manual?

[52:44] It requires manual. Connect. QuickBooks does, but I mean

[52:53] And soft or open-gov does, but that's the only one that we have that integrates within

[53:00] code.

[53:02] Quick books and that book do not.

[53:06] So somebody has to read that number correctly, then enter it into whatever presents these

[53:12] or creates these graphs.

[53:15] Yes, sir.

[53:16] Yeah, that's a journal entry process.

[53:22] Yes, that caused a lot of extra staff time to do it that way.

[53:30] What does take staff time?

[53:31] I don't think it's extraordinary, but.

[53:35] And the reason I'm asking is if there is something else out there that kind of integrates

[53:39] everything.

[53:40] Would that be simpler?

[53:41] Is that even an option or just doesn't work to do those kind of things like the voice life

[53:46] stocks they let kind of, it kind of has to be on QuickBooks, I guess.

[53:50] Yes.

[53:54] Quick books, the good thing about quick books is it's simple to use any people already

[54:02] know how to use it.

[54:04] The bad thing is it doesn't integrate to our software.

[54:10] I like using that for the fair because we have volunteers, run those boards and they turn

[54:17] over periodically with personnel and so I guess I'm weighing the ease of use our

[54:29] staff's

[54:29] time converting that data into encoded. We've gotten pretty good at it.

[54:36] But you can export from QuickBooks to a spreadsheet and then just cut and paste into encodes.

[54:42] Right. Is that how you do that?

[54:44] Well, we have to type it in. But yeah, you can export it to Excel.

[54:49] but we can set up templates to help us do journal entries.

[54:54] You can export it to Excel and that's a live Excel spreadsheet.

[55:00] Yes, sir. But then that wasn't, that doesn't go into open guv. Right. Still manual out of that. Right. Okay. So help me to understand because open guv does a lot of things. Right. And your end code is at a module of open gov is that separate and it does integrate. It's separate. It's a separate software from Tyler technologies.

[55:28] It's a same company produces software for our treasurer and also produces software for our assessor.

[55:39] Oh, the Eagle view.

[55:44] It's a separate program, but the open-gov software is able to integrate with encode and every night it goes in and reads data from encode.

[56:00] Yes.

[56:02] Updates the actual accounting records in that program.

[56:09] Yeah, before we were using a bunch of Excel spreadsheets to back it up, and this is much better than what we did.

[56:16] Absolutely.

[56:17] Before with Excel.

[56:18] Contrary to someone's opinion, it is much better.

[56:26] It helps me analyze what's going on.

[56:30] Our end code that it's really strong at letting all our departments do their vouchers separately.

[56:38] They can multiple people working in there at the same time from different locations.

[56:43] But it's not, it's very siloed, each fund and each department.

[56:49] It's hard to pull things together.

[56:51] We're open to pulls everything together and I can drill down from many different ways.

[57:06] Yeah.

[57:08] We're not done.

[57:09] Yeah.

[57:09] That word.

[57:11] New password.

[57:12] Could not go on downstairs that was a lot of fun.

[57:14] Do.

[57:15] Ok.

[57:19] Okay.

[57:20] So.

[57:21] I'll find Amy.

[57:23] And then it also helps you with the cafe correct.

[57:26] Yes, it does.

[57:27] That's the.

[57:28] That's another huge.

[57:29] That open.

[57:34] I'm not trying to dig into and tell you how to do your jobs or anything like that, don't

[57:37] take it that way.

[57:38] Just if we're always, I mean we have this discussion a few years ago about doing all this stuff

[57:42] out of Excel and it seemed really clunky and used up a lot of time and I think this is a

[57:46] lot better.

[57:47] Just, it would be nice if some of those would integrate also, but like you said trade

[57:52] out between ease of use which is quick books and people know how to use it.

[57:55] It's simple.

[57:56] Let's say I'll committee, for example,

[57:58] the livestock sale knows how to do it, I get it.

[58:00] If it's not a huge burden, I guess it's not anything

[58:03] I should be concerned with.

[58:05] Let's not a perfect world, you're right.

[58:08] But we're comfortable with it.

[58:09] It's the best tradeoff I think at this point.

[58:11] But at the end of the day, is it way more efficient

[58:13] that in-code talks to open-gov and updates open-gov more efficiently

[58:18] than having to take downloads from in-code

[58:23] and then put them into those old spreadsheets

[58:25] and then update the spreadsheets.

[58:27] Isn't this way more efficient than that?

[58:30] That process.

[58:31] They've got a huge improvement.

[58:33] I can't be found for sure.

[58:34] The integration of open-gov is tremendous.

[58:37] Yeah.

[58:37] Okay.

[58:38] I'll leave it alone.

[58:39] I understand.

[58:40] I'm good.

[58:42] Anything else?

[58:45] That's all I have for you this year.

[58:48] Okay.

[58:50] Any questions for Curtis?

[58:54] All right.

[58:54] Thank you, commissioners.

[58:55] No, we had our clerk here, but no, the clerk is gone.

[59:01] We asked for a vote.

[59:04] I see that.

[59:05] Yeah, noted.

[59:06] Yes.

[59:06] Clerk and Recorder, as well as the county assessor to move from their slots very, very late this

[59:13] afternoon to fill in some of the slots now since we're ahead of schedule.

[59:24] I think we should just go and do the assessors budget right now.

[59:31] Are we good with that, Curtis?

[59:33] Yes.

[59:33] So we're tab 21.

[59:35] tab 21.

[59:36] So the assessor's office, we're going to go ahead and go with you guys.

[59:40] We're

[59:58] so pretty fine, we're so pretty.

[1:00:03] All

[1:00:05] right. I think we're good to go with the assessor's office. Okay. How would, how are we proceeding? So, well, really it's up to you, but kind of what seems to work pretty well. It's kind of go through any kind of significant changes up or down to your budget with revenues and expenses and maybe make a note of any of those things. Why those are usually different from what was budgeted and what is asked for this year, things like that. Okay.

[1:00:32] We have any questions, we just generally ask them along the way, or sometimes we have questions at the end if that works for you, that's how it is.

[1:00:40] So what we're looking at is that this coming year, there's a lot of uncertainty, just administratively, we're still trying to work out the state has changed the different assessment rates for

[1:01:00] different categories of properties, we're still trying to figure out how that's going to be implemented.

[1:01:10] We're anticipating next

[1:01:16] year's a re-value year. We are anticipating a heavy volume,

[1:01:21] hopefully not as much as we saw in 23. That was just a very phenomenal, I would expect for

[1:01:31] this upcoming year we should be seeing an excess of 2,000 protests rather than the

[1:01:37] 4,500 that we saw in 23. It's still going to be very heavy. So we need to plan

[1:01:45] for that. Part of that planning is that so we've increased our postage budget a

[1:01:53] little bit because we're going to have to send out notices to everybody. We do

[1:01:59] We do work along with the treasure on a firm that does all the printing and mailing and postage for us to get it down to the lowest possible price, but we anticipate that that's going to increase something.

[1:02:19] The biggest items that we're looking at is under professional services, where we have our

[1:02:28] outside consultants.

[1:02:30] What we're looking at, a big concern is with Frazier just implemented their downtown

[1:02:42] development, urban renewal, we call it a TIFF, T-I-F, which stands for Tax

[1:02:48] Increment Financing. Phrasher just implemented theirs this year, but next year

[1:02:57] will be the real start of it as far as working on values. And Winter Park,

[1:03:05] both Winter Park and the ski area, have notified us on the county that they

[1:03:11] plan on doing two. At this point,

[1:03:19] that's all that we know. I don't know how big is going to be,

[1:03:22] what properties is going to encompass. The rules are, is that it has to be within the town boundaries.

[1:03:32] If it includes the entire town boundaries, we're talking almost 5,000 accounts, where the

[1:03:40] The Frazier one is the right at 200 accounts.

[1:03:44] So one of our concerns is, is that how do we try to implement that?

[1:03:52] And so that's part of our additional consulting fees that we've put into line items.

[1:03:58] Is that I honestly don't know if we can handle it?

[1:04:03] Well, I don't think that we can internally.

[1:04:05] I think that we're going to have to reach out to others.

[1:04:09] I've reached out to different counties as to guidance and assistance, but I don't know what we're asking for.

[1:04:19] I don't have a set figure, but I do know that we're probably going to be looking at that.

[1:04:26] We're also looking at Larry Bamman has been instrumental in working on some additional guidance

[1:04:37] on commercial properties.

[1:04:40] We do anticipate that with these tests that most likely they're going to be for large

[1:04:50] commercial projects.

[1:04:52] We don't have the expertise to handle that, Larry's been reaching out to outside

[1:04:59] I'm sorry.

[1:05:00] In addition to the one that we currently have, the micacana, where this name is John Zimmerman,

[1:05:09] he's with the U.S., the U.S. is correct. And he pretty much exclusively does commercial

[1:05:17] properties for almost all the Western Slob counties. So Larry's been in communications

[1:05:25] with him. He's also been working on, and it's in our budget for

[1:05:35] a subscription to his called co-star, which is a statewide database of commercial properties.

[1:05:46] We already have a database for commercial properties for construction, what it costs to build something.

[1:05:56] This co-star is a database of what properties have actually sold for.

[1:06:03] So it's pretty complex, it's fairly expensive, and Larry's also been working on seeing if there's any way that we can kind of co-share that cost with other counties.

[1:06:15] So, we are anticipating that we're going to meet it, but we're trying to work out the best and most economical ways for the county to justify it.

[1:06:28] All the other ones are normal, our Tyler, our computer software.

[1:06:36] where I've got in there one item that we're still not sure of is that currently we use

[1:06:51] as read for all of our GIS stuff and IT is working on.

[1:06:59] So right now every user has their own license and we pay for that license.

[1:07:06] There's discussion with Thomas and with Jody Flores, I'm perhaps going with an enterprise

[1:07:12] zone.

[1:07:13] So then we just get one umbrella license.

[1:07:19] It would be cheaper, but that's really an IT question.

[1:07:24] I have in mind by just that we're going to remain with that individual license if we go to the

[1:07:30] the enterprise and those funds would then just be transferred and allocated to IT.

[1:07:36] So to be determined at this point, excuse me, Tom.

[1:07:41] Just a quick question.

[1:07:44] Could you give us, give me a two or three minute primer on tax increment financing.

[1:07:52] And I know that's a big question, big area, but just try to do it in a nutshell.

[1:07:58] And then the other question is, this is going into effect now, and you mentioned the number of accounts that 200 and

[1:08:08] have renash in the 5,000 in the window.

[1:08:11] We don't know.

[1:08:11] Correct.

[1:08:13] But is that something then that will be the same level of work for you all every time we do evaluation?

[1:08:23] Actually, it's incremental.

[1:08:25] It will be increasing, so the tip what it is is that you as an urban renewal, whatever it is, you found a piece of property that needs, it's blighted whatever it is that you need to redevelop it.

[1:08:42] Okay, so once you identified that property, the assessor's office, we set the base value.

[1:08:50] So we say, okay, as of today, the value of that property is X, then depend on what the plans are for the development.

[1:09:03] We're going to, what a high-rise condo commercial property, whatever it is.

[1:09:07] So, what happens is that as they develop that property that base property increases in value and what that difference is is what the developer so that increase in value and the taxes associated with that is what that is kind of pulled out and used to pay for the bar.

[1:09:37] runs for that development.

[1:09:41] So, the guys went out and got alone,

[1:09:43] so we're going to build this thing,

[1:09:46] it's going to be $100 million,

[1:09:47] or whatever it may be,

[1:09:50] and we're going to be able to pay for it

[1:09:52] because of the increase in value.

[1:09:56] So, every re-value year,

[1:10:00] We have to reestablish the new base.

[1:10:05] And they typically go from anywhere from 20 to 50 years. But it's a responsibility of the assessor's office to a determined the base and the increase in value. So if there's just two projects in winter park.

[1:10:30] Then you only have two things to deal with, if there's 200 projects and you have 200 to deal with, am I right?

[1:10:36] Well, the deal is that Frazier has one one, okay.

[1:10:43] When it comes to 200 properties.

[1:10:46] I see, okay, got it.

[1:10:48] Oh, I understand, yeah.

[1:10:49] So the district, the development district, whatever it is, that geographic boundary, it could be any of the things in there.

[1:10:59] So it can be as simple as one project, like in Colorado Springs, they took a block of property redeveloped it as the arena.

[1:11:15] Okay, the sports arena, but that is one tiff or one property.

[1:11:26] They've got close to a hundred different tiffs.

[1:11:29] Some of them are singleton properties.

[1:11:31] Some of them are downtown core multiple blocks, so it depends.

[1:11:39] Great job in a short amount of time.

[1:11:41] Thank you.

[1:11:42] And now I have a question on that.

[1:11:43] So you mentioned the geographic boundaries of that TIFF district, correct?

[1:11:49] Is that only within municipalities as defined by city limits?

[1:11:53] Or is that something that can be done in unincorporated counties?

[1:11:57] I don't know.

[1:11:59] The urban, there's the downtown development, redevelopment, and

[1:12:05] the lighted one, the urban renewal has to be within the town limits.

[1:12:12] Could the county do one, I believe so, I have been blissfully ignorant on this until, no, I'm sorry.

[1:12:26] We have heard that the town of Granby has discussed it casually.

[1:12:31] Well, it's a question coming up at CCI kind of on the long these same lines, but a similar idea that counties would be able to do this.

[1:12:39] Yes.

[1:12:42] Not clear whether they can or not, I think, right now.

[1:12:47] So, yes, I would say that yes, if there was a project that the county wanted to put in

[1:12:55] aid development and unincorporated, I would think that these same tools would be available

[1:13:02] to the county as they would to a town.

[1:13:04] Yes, sir.

[1:13:05] What I understand, maybe.

[1:13:07] I don't know.

[1:13:08] I'm not sure either.

[1:13:10] And Deb Lindblum has mentioned how important it is to get right during the base year because if it's wrong, then it's a 50 year wrong.

[1:13:18] That's right.

[1:13:19] That's right forever, yeah.

[1:13:21] And what I'm concerned about is that talking to other counties where this has occurred in other resort communities.

[1:13:35] So, on the one hand you have the development, we want this increase in value, so we can take that increase to pay for the bond, in terms of loading money against that increased value.

[1:13:47] Right, gotcha.

[1:13:49] But then also, but you are the shared in hotel, whatever.

[1:13:57] But hey, I'm okay with the TIF, but I'm not okay with my particular property.

[1:14:05] So there's quite a bit of push and pull as to the valuations.

[1:14:12] And it really gets messy.

[1:14:16] And the assessor's office is the one stuck in the middle that we have to defend the higher

[1:14:21] value for the TIFF, but then I have to defend, well, but my property's not worth that much

[1:14:30] information.

[1:14:31] There I'm assuming there's some kind of a protest period for that exact situation.

[1:14:34] Or that, yes sir.

[1:14:35] Yeah.

[1:14:36] Then I guess one other thing that going back to that co-star software would be used to help

[1:14:42] to establish that good base, but.

[1:14:44] Yes sir.

[1:14:45] Gotcha.

[1:14:46] So right now that co-star software is that within the 120,

[1:14:51] or not?

[1:14:52] Yes, sir.

[1:14:54] Larry says no.

[1:14:55] Tom says yes.

[1:14:57] I believe you.

[1:15:00] When I originally talked to Ed, I don't think it was, but we'd, yeah, you're right. It'll fit. It will fit. Yeah, we will. Yeah. Okay.

[1:15:09] So, and of the 332 that's under professional services, roughly 220 is

[1:15:16] allocated for the two, the the Frazier DDA, which is their calling a TIFF and the Winter Park Urban Renewal Authority.

[1:15:30] Okay, well, and part of that is that also included in that big umbrella is anticipation of a couple of high value protests where they take it all the way to see Billy and to the BAA.

[1:15:51] So that co-star and outside for your praise holds all that's kind of lumped in together.

[1:16:02] Okay.

[1:16:03] So one other thing, and I know that this stuff is incredibly complicated, especially a new

[1:16:08] mention that the very start of how there's so many unknowns because of what the state's

[1:16:12] doing going forward with taxes and assessment rates and all that stuff.

[1:16:16] And I know that you guys hire some of these outside companies, professional services, to do this stuff because you don't have the capacity to do it, it's very complicated that enough money in there to do this. Are you comfortable with that amount?

[1:16:31] What we know today, yes.

[1:16:35] You know, he's at if we need to get there later with a supplemental if we need to, but I think we just very complicated.

[1:16:44] I do think that we, to the best of our abilities looking forward for the next couple of years, I think we're covered.

[1:16:55] So, if that all being said, I don't think we're asking for any changes to that any numbers presented here, Curtis, finance, I think we're good.

[1:17:03] As long as that co-sart is already talking

[1:17:09] about that co-sart software.

[1:17:12] Yes.

[1:17:13] It's already included in that number.

[1:17:15] Looted in your professional fees.

[1:17:17] That's specifically.

[1:17:20] We need to add any money for that.

[1:17:24] No, I think it would be good for us to just circle back and make sure that we go through what's being called professional services and what's being called professional fees tech software.

[1:17:41] We'll just, we'll go back and do that.

[1:17:43] Okay.

[1:17:44] All right, commissioners, any other questions for the assessor?

[1:17:49] Okay, I think we're good.

[1:17:50] Just double check on that.

[1:17:51] Thank you, Tom.

[1:17:52] Thank you very much.

[1:17:53] Thank you.

[1:17:55] So now I'm not sure who was here first, if I could request the clerk and

[1:18:00] recorder go.

[1:18:01] Okay, we'll have the clerk and recorder go.

[1:18:03] Since they were actually here first, then they left.

[1:18:05] So, clerk, you are up.

[1:18:08] It is not a competition.

[1:18:12] It kind of is.

[1:18:14] I'm sorry, Marcy, but I guess the last good to go first.

[1:18:19] Okay.

[1:18:20] Clerk and Recorder is up.

[1:18:22] So, what tab is that?

[1:18:23] Good morning.

[1:18:24] Jolly Linky.

[1:18:25] I'm Amy Major.

[1:18:27] Good morning.

[1:18:29] Morning.

[1:18:32] So, we do have changes from when I came and talked to you before.

[1:18:36] And at that point, I thought I needed another FTE to fit somebody in my recording, but

[1:18:44] that is no longer the case.

[1:18:46] We did lose an employee who was working in elections.

[1:18:50] And when we add up our people that are there and our FTEs, as they should be, we now have

[1:18:56] room for a person to work in recording with my 13 that I've always had.

[1:19:02] I'm not asking for a 14.

[1:19:04] Right.

[1:19:04] Okay.

[1:19:06] Appreciate it.

[1:19:07] Yeah.

[1:19:07] Good.

[1:19:08] I agree.

[1:19:08] That's good.

[1:19:09] Living vision.

[1:19:11] Government.

[1:19:12] Small government.

[1:19:13] Thank you.

[1:19:14] Yes.

[1:19:15] And so having said that then, which department or division of my department would you like to start with?

[1:19:22] Oh.

[1:19:22] In order for us to keep track of things, we'll go with 22 A.

[1:19:37] So there is some change on this one also right at the marijuana license.

[1:19:44] At the point of our discussion with everybody, I said that I guilty had quit, but what I did not know was they shut down six of their seven marijuana shops.

[1:19:57] So rather than that decreasing by...

[1:20:00] Number one, that decreased by six, so the true number. Just for clarity, not six or seven shops, six of seven licenses. Correct. Well, each shop needs a license to. Well, one shop, per se, building, but they have seven licenses within that building. Correct. So we're not confused. All right. We'll have seven stores in Grand County. Have two locations in Grand County. My apologies.

[1:20:29] Maybe I should let any of you speak on this.

[1:20:33] So seven licenses gone, which means 8,000 upon.

[1:20:38] They still have one license left, which is I think just retail, correct?

[1:20:42] Correct.

[1:20:43] Okay.

[1:20:44] So that number should be 16,000 expected income at marijuana license.

[1:20:52] 16,000?

[1:20:54] That is 72,000.

[1:20:56] Yes.

[1:20:56] Okay.

[1:20:57] Okay.

[1:21:02] It's just an aside on that so that means that we have what one or two retail

[1:21:08] establishments remaining. We have two remaining as of right now and then we

[1:21:14] have one that has not developed yet.

[1:21:20] Were they that company that was also doing

[1:21:22] that one on County Road 40.

[1:21:26] The Great Divide Retail?

[1:21:28] No, that's not on 40.

[1:21:30] County Road 60, sorry, County Road 60.

[1:21:32] Yes, yes.

[1:21:34] So is that one that they're continuing to develop or not?

[1:21:37] Do we know?

[1:21:38] As of right now, they're still in a standstill.

[1:21:41] OK, thank you.

[1:21:47] Anything else on that section?

[1:21:49] Clerk to the board.

[1:21:53] Questions on this one?

[1:21:55] All right, I'm good to move on then.

[1:21:56] We'll go to, if you're good, but here we'll go to 22b.

[1:22:01] That one that we just looked at, click to the board, that's one of the ones where there's an anomaly in that the regular wages are going down, but the benefits are going up, right, Curtis, it's those situations.

[1:22:17] Is that correct?

[1:22:19] Yes, it is.

[1:22:20] Okay.

[1:22:22] We just talked about that the benefits depend on the individual employee,

[1:22:27] and because some are opting into various programs and not others and whatever.

[1:22:33] Okay.

[1:22:34] What are the two B elections?

[1:22:37] Elections.

[1:22:38] Okay.

[1:22:41] So, there's nothing on the, well,

[1:22:44] do

[1:22:47] you have any questions on the revenue or expenses on the front page?

[1:22:51] I

[1:22:54] didn't notice any significant changes.

[1:22:59] Okay, one important thing, we planned only have one election FTE, which will give us

[1:23:06] 2,080 hours to do everything we need to do, so that will decrease expenses from 24, because

[1:23:15] we only have one election next year.

[1:23:17] there.

[1:23:19] And also some of those personnel stuff up at the top.

[1:23:26] You're not asking to change these numbers at this time?

[1:23:29] No.

[1:23:30] Okay.

[1:23:30] There already in there.

[1:23:31] They're in there.

[1:23:32] Okay. Questions on that one.

[1:23:35] Anything else to point out on this one?

[1:23:37] Yeah, there is one thing to point out.

[1:23:39] We are one of two counties that print our own ballots in the house. And this November,

[1:23:47] We're printing a 19 inch ballot front and back, and it is taking forever.

[1:23:55] And it took Joni three days, including two weekend days, to deal with dominion and

[1:24:04] run back to set that up.

[1:24:06] And in her opinion, it's because they're not used to dealing with counties printing their own.

[1:24:10] So, we are exploring hiring that out and we have done research and found that most counties can get that done between $2 and $4 a ballot and those numbers would fit within my budget for what we spend to do it in house because of the extra time it takes us to do it.

[1:24:40] The election judges, it takes us to fold and process the paper, the envelopes, if you look in my numbers here that 35,000 is secrecy sleeves, envelopes, instructions, ballot paper, printing, toner.

[1:24:56] The $15,000 is Dominion, which

[1:25:00] We would have some set up from the menu, but nowhere near that amount. So, I'm just letting you know that if we make that change, we expect that we'll be able to pay for it with the savings from some of these other items in our budget.

[1:25:17] but chance ma'am thanks for the information I had no idea I didn't either you know what did the county is?

[1:25:23] Oh I'm suspecting it could be Jackson because of the low numbers.

[1:25:30] It could be there's counties that are lower population than Jackson.

[1:25:34] There are true but I reached out to a bunch of people and she is one that I didn't hear back from

[1:25:41] which kind of gives me a hint she doesn't have that information.

[1:25:47] Didn't we just have to upgrade our printer?

[1:25:52] But it might be worn out when we get done with this.

[1:25:55] It is getting to the point during the day where it's too hot and it shuts off and they have to quit.

[1:26:02] And then they start again when it's cool just to print this time.

[1:26:07] Might find out who that other county is and ask me if they need to buy a printer.

[1:26:11] I might need to buy a printer.

[1:26:14] I am good with exploring that, as you said, especially if it fits with the existing numbers,

[1:26:21] I suppose it's what you find out, I think, but if it fits in.

[1:26:27] Okay, so that's really all that I see to let you know on here, unless you have other questions.

[1:26:33] Questions on this one?

[1:26:34] No.

[1:26:35] Good to move on.

[1:26:36] Okay.

[1:26:37] We're going to stick with alphabetical today, so the next one would be 22C, which is motor vehicle.

[1:26:44] Okay,

[1:26:48] really no surprises in motor vehicle.

[1:26:51] Everything is pretty

[1:26:56] much based on the year before, and with a little bit of increase in employee benefits as people gain more time working for our department.

[1:27:17] So I have no big

[1:27:25] changes, no big changes, no, well you know we're all getting new computers

[1:27:31] and we got all those numbers from IT so they said all of our computers were out of warranty.

[1:27:40] So there's that 16,500 down there for that.

[1:27:43] So,

[1:27:52] yes, I don't know what I'm missing here, but the

[1:27:59] expenses remind me.

[1:28:05] Oh, yes.

[1:28:05] There's just a big difference between revenue, less expenses in the bottom here.

[1:28:12] There's like $100,000 difference there, but also have,

[1:28:22] yes, I'm okay.

[1:28:25] All right, any other questions on this one?

[1:28:26] Well,

[1:28:30] that does,

[1:28:42] I don't know, there's a double on other taxes between what's actual right now, but the year's not finished and the other.

[1:28:50] So yeah, the numbers for 24 aren't done, so I think that's causing some of that.

[1:28:59] The increase in that surplus commissioner probably is from the, we put in a large increase in specific ownership tax from last year's budget.

[1:29:13] Based on how much we're collecting now and to that and not get changed by the state or why is why the increase for that?

[1:29:25] Well, that specific ownership tax, that's what they're collecting when people register their cars and seeing more and more cars.

[1:29:35] Analyzing how much they're collecting now.

[1:29:38] So we're predicting that more people are going to be transferring or licensing their cars here.

[1:29:42] Yes, sir.

[1:29:47] Anything else on this one?

[1:29:50] All right, I think we're good to go on with Birken recording 22D.

[1:29:58] The recording.

[1:30:00] So we added in the personnel services the second person, so

[1:30:12] that the numbers would show that person in that department.

[1:30:20] So that's some like regular wages change at the top. That in the current open go. That we have. Yeah, yes, okay.

[1:30:36] Remind the commissioners what the 213,000 of actual was the last two years under professional services and we're not budgeting for that.

[1:30:45] I can tell you that is the bill that we pay to arch a search that at the end of the year they're going to add the grant for.

[1:30:57] Those were the half payments for that big project where they put all of our documents online.

[1:31:04] So

[1:31:07] they're going to help with applying the grant.

[1:31:13] The grant revenue would be coming in under revenue.

[1:31:19] We just didn't, let me understand this correctly.

[1:31:24] We just didn't budget for that expense.

[1:31:28] Right. That was after last year's budget.

[1:31:32] Didn't budget for the income or the expense, which is why the expense shows up at the income doesn't.

[1:31:37] Because I came in in 23 after the budget

[1:31:41] In January 23 when I started the budget had already been done and Sarah wasn't planning on doing that

[1:31:47] But I was so that's how that happened

[1:31:50] So we paid our research we haven't collected

[1:31:58] Yeah, I believe we did was

[1:32:04] awarded at least

[1:32:07] Yeah, 443,000 we do have the main that was in 23

[1:32:13] Okay. Okay.

[1:32:19] Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, that's that 443 up there. Okay. Okay. I'll get on that one. Yeah. Any other questions on that one.

[1:32:32] Okay. We're going to move on then to the next one, which is up like page, which means that we are done. Done. Yeah. Okay.

[1:32:43] Okay.

[1:32:45] Plus, there's any other questions?

[1:32:46] I just want to say Mr. Chair, if I can.

[1:32:48] I really do appreciate that manpower hold back next to be a low election year, 2026 will

[1:32:54] be a big one again.

[1:32:55] And so yeah, I just really commend you for fitting within the FTEs.

[1:33:01] It's very appreciated.

[1:33:02] Thank you.

[1:33:03] I would echo that same comment.

[1:33:04] So appreciate that.

[1:33:05] Thank you.

[1:33:06] And thanks to Alina, who helps out with those kind of things.

[1:33:10] All right.

[1:33:13] All right.

[1:33:13] Okay, we'll go on to our next one, which is the Treasurer, which is tab number, I don't know, back here.

[1:33:24] 12th?

[1:33:28] Yes, it is 12th, tab 12th.

[1:33:30] Morning.

[1:33:32] Morning.

[1:33:35] I have no significant changes on either fences or revenue.

[1:33:43] On the Treasurer's budget, I'm hoping to have the same interest income.

[1:33:50] as I did this year.

[1:33:53] Even though the rates are lower.

[1:33:56] Correct.

[1:33:57] More money in.

[1:33:59] More money and the rates won't go down to later in the year.

[1:34:04] So I'm hoping the average when we're cash heavy,

[1:34:08] the first four, six months of the year,

[1:34:10] we can make up for the lower rates the second half of the year.

[1:34:18] Questions on this one?

[1:34:19] When

[1:34:29] I last thought bond advisors on the shenan,

[1:34:40] they were letting us know that while we

[1:34:44] borrow that money, that money won't come to you as our treasurer, they want to put

[1:34:50] that money with a trustee,

[1:34:54] but that you will still have the ability to instruct that trustee

[1:34:58] on how to invent...

[1:35:00] Yes, that money. Not the public trustee. Right, yeah. They mentioned a few, like, U.S. Bank or U.M.B., there are a number of entities but I haven't fully understood that but I don't think that will affect how much interest you'll be earning. I mean, I still think those funds will earn interest and so that I

[1:35:33] haven't been able to tell you that. Do you have any concerns?

[1:35:35] concerns over earning interest.

[1:35:37] That's the case.

[1:35:39] It'll still be part of my budget, correct?

[1:35:43] We'll be attributed to that.

[1:35:45] I just won't necessarily have complete control

[1:35:48] of those funds.

[1:35:51] Is that what you're saying?

[1:35:52] They're not going to be in your pooled cash.

[1:35:56] They're going to be

[1:35:58] Rusty's bank account.

[1:36:01] Well, that be a separate line

[1:36:03] or do we need to create a new line for that?

[1:36:08] I'm not sure.

[1:36:08] I think we should just keep it budgeted here left to figure out the accounting for it.

[1:36:16] I think it will all roll into the same.

[1:36:23] UNB Bank is acquiring citywide or H-Chill-F-Banks is what our main bank is now.

[1:36:31] Okay.

[1:36:33] Good length.

[1:36:34] The entity they have ours are trustee.

[1:36:37] Okay.

[1:36:39] I guess we just dig into that and I guess it doesn't matter but if we need a separate

[1:36:45] line to help do track of it that might be.

[1:36:53] I'm not sure.

[1:36:58] Questions, commissioners on this one.

[1:37:01] Do you think that the purpose of the trustee in the COP is that they have to be authorized

[1:37:11] to release the funds so that they have more control over the disbursement of those funds, is that your understanding?

[1:37:20] I believe the purpose behind it is the collateral for that borrowing money.

[1:37:28] The collateral for that loan, those bonds, is going to be the EMS building, which right now is not built.

[1:37:35] So it's really not $26 million in value there.

[1:37:41] That's, they want to take that money and put it with a trustee.

[1:37:45] If we were to default, still money available for

[1:37:50] those bondholders to finish building that building.

[1:37:55] Right, okay, so kind of like the money is in there and that's the collateral until the building gets built and as money gets spent then the value of the property becomes higher.

[1:38:05] and there's more collateral for the actual physical property.

[1:38:08] You explained it much better than I do.

[1:38:09] That's perfect, yes sir.

[1:38:11] It's actually amazing that I understood it.

[1:38:14] Maybe.

[1:38:15] Okay.

[1:38:17] Anything else?

[1:38:19] Any questions for the tracer?

[1:38:22] Public trustee.

[1:38:23] Public trustee.

[1:38:24] Before we leave there, any good, anything on staffing?

[1:38:26] You're good there.

[1:38:29] Holy staffed, I've not had to hire, rehire.

[1:38:35] All right, sounds good.

[1:38:36] Let's go on into the next one, which is the public trustee.

[1:38:46] Public trustee on the revenue has increased, and the way I came up with that number is just based on releases, which those fees doubled July 1st of 2024.

[1:39:02] I don't expect to have any more releases, but we should earn more money due to the fees being done.

[1:39:09] I mean, you don't expect any more volume of releases.

[1:39:13] Correct.

[1:39:14] And no, I don't budget for closures as that's quite an unknown.

[1:39:19] Those fees also double July 1st.

[1:39:23] But then you attribute a partial FTE to this work?

[1:39:30] Yes, I have a statutory salary for that.

[1:39:35] And then I attribute 25% of one employee as well.

[1:39:45] Okay.

[1:39:47] Simple.

[1:39:49] Any questions on this one?

[1:39:57] Thank you for taking good care of our money.

[1:39:58] Yes.

[1:40:00] Appreciate that.

[1:40:03] Thank you for doing that. Okay, I think that's that's it for that. Thank you. Yeah, thanks.

[1:40:17] Oh, Curtis, who's next?

[1:40:23] And she's online. She's on Zoom. Okay, let's go away. Brianna, if you can hear us, we can go ahead and do your budget at this time. I might have the time.

[1:40:35] talk a little louder. We're going to make some adjustments here because we can barely hear you.

[1:40:40] Okay. Now we can. Now we can hear you perfectly. Is it better now?

[1:40:45] Perfect. Yes. Okay. Fantastic. Um, so just go right into the budget. Um,

[1:40:55] Breanna Osborne CSU extension director. Um, we have a couple of changes from last year.

[1:41:07] The main big first one is going to be in those personnel expenses, proposing to add

[1:41:15] a half-time into extension, I believe the other half is going into the fairgrounds for

[1:41:24] a fair coordinator position.

[1:41:27] I

[1:41:32] don't know if you all have talked to the fairgrounds budget yet or not.

[1:41:37] Not yet, that's later today.

[1:41:39] Later today.

[1:41:39] Okay.

[1:41:40] I don't know how much you want me to speak on that potential position or what you'd like

[1:41:47] to see there, Micah?

[1:41:49] We can probably talk about it more in fairgrounds.

[1:41:52] I think it's at this point, it's just letting them know that that proposed position is split

[1:41:57] between two budgets, yours and fairgrounds.

[1:42:00] Okay.

[1:42:00] Okay, Brianna, real quickly, what would be the halftime job responsibilities for the

[1:42:07] part that's under extension?

[1:42:10] It's quite extensive, but a lot of it is the preparation for fair that is being handled

[1:42:19] by the office currently, so that includes a lot of the online technologies out of it, but

[1:42:27] as well as like securing judges.

[1:42:33] And I can send over if we have a list of some of those

[1:42:37] responsibilities, if you'd like. If it's handy, I just wanted to quick summary, I guess.

[1:42:43] I'm good. Yeah, it's it's mostly the things that our office is taking on right now. So

[1:42:50] So, um, judges getting everything set up for fair some of the tag-in stuff, um,

[1:43:00] okay.

[1:43:06] Um, other changes that you'll notice we did up, um, down in operating expense, um, there's

[1:43:17] some differences there.

[1:43:19] So it looks like it went down quite a bit, but that's just because there's not the roof

[1:43:25] the repair in that budget for 2025.

[1:43:32] So what did go up was advert and legal notice,

[1:43:36] went doubled from 250 to 500 just so that we can do some more outreach via papers.

[1:43:44] And that sort of deal repair maintenance, the building went from that 615, which included the

[1:43:50] roof right there. Now down to 14, which includes the ceiling tiles for the extension hall,

[1:44:00] potentially replacing some of the lights to the LED style, and potentially some AC units,

[1:44:07] whether that's standalone or in the roof will be decided.

[1:44:17] Another change is the extension

[1:44:19] event reimbursement increased again this year, so it went from 15, 575 to 16, 350, which I believe

[1:44:32] is lower down and

[1:44:41] then the capital, yeah, that one. And then capital outlays are other noticeable

[1:44:53] different. We do now or are about to have the

[1:45:00] Local this year, which is really exciting. And then we have budgeted the 67 for a vehicle next year, but I have talked with ed about maybe grabbing one from. Motive rules, so we may or may not utilize that entire budget, just trying to think of the best way to. Begin shuffling those vehicles, excuse me, in a way that makes sense, in a way that makes sense financially for the county as well.

[1:45:28] Okay,

[1:45:32] we also have I think 2500 in there for computer replacement next year. We replaced you this year and we'll replace one next year.

[1:45:48] Questions, comments, concerns?

[1:45:51] I have a couple of questions.

[1:45:52] Again, not a big amount of money, but the line for meetings and trainings, that's at 5,000,

[1:46:03] but we're only spent 1,400 or so this year, is that a good number to leave in there?

[1:46:10] And then the other one while I'm talking is 1 for telephone, budgeted 2000.

[1:46:19] Yes, so I'll address those in order.

[1:46:25] So the meetings and trainings one, I think is good to leave just to shoot towards that 2022 number, where we were utilizing it more and getting more employee training, which has not happened in 23 and 24.

[1:46:42] So I think it's worthwhile to leave that with that.

[1:46:45] and then the telephone one I believe a different department was covering some of

[1:46:53] extensions bill on this essentially and so we had to restructuate and

[1:47:02] maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[1:47:09] I'll respond in order also I'm

[1:47:11] completely good with the meetings and trainings and where I think we're always

[1:47:14] supportive of anybody taking, getting training or

[1:47:17] meetings or any of those kind of things.

[1:47:19] I think that collaboration with other extension people or

[1:47:22] whatever across the state or the country is always useful.

[1:47:26] And I don't know the answer to the telephone one.

[1:47:29] So that's the data lines.

[1:47:31] There are two different data lines at the fairgrounds and

[1:47:33] one has been covered by the coroner's office in years past.

[1:47:36] So we actually split that out because the signal comes into

[1:47:40] the old Pepsi building and it gets shot over to the fairgrounds.

[1:47:43] So the corner has just covered that cost in the past but we are going to split that out this year

[1:47:47] You'll see that new it's getting split with rodent bridge and extension so that each department's kind of paying for their own usage

[1:47:56] Big lead good. Thank you, Micah. Yep, so there's a public one that comes into the fairgrounds

[1:48:01] Which extension has always paid for in the past and then there's this more internal network one that gets

[1:48:07] I think it's been a long time

[1:48:08] since I've seen this

[1:48:08] blaze over there from the

[1:48:10] corner's office.

[1:48:12] Please.

[1:48:15] Help me to understand where we are

[1:48:17] with the roof.

[1:48:19] I think I missed something there.

[1:48:22] There was study this year about

[1:48:24] whether we're trying to contract

[1:48:26] yesterday and that work is to

[1:48:27] begin I think late this week.

[1:48:29] We believe that will show up

[1:48:31] in actual for 24.

[1:48:32] Yes. All right.

[1:48:36] Back up with that there was a study maybe you heard all this but there was a study to make sure that adding the additional weight of a new rough.

[1:48:43] It could be adequate so that was there was an additional cost there other than just putting on a rope right.

[1:48:50] And Brianna just so you know your 2024 vehicle is here. The paperwork landed on my desk yesterday afternoon.

[1:48:59] fantastic news.

[1:49:02] That's awesome.

[1:49:06] Any other questions on this ESU Extension Budget?

[1:49:14] Thank you, Brianna.

[1:49:15] Yep, I think we're good, so thank you, Brianna.

[1:49:17] Awesome, thank you so much.

[1:49:20] Okay, next up,

[1:49:26] I don't know.

[1:49:30] Opposite.

[1:49:32] Yep, Lanna is here. All right, Lanna.

[1:49:35] OEM.

[1:49:39] Good morning, everyone.

[1:49:41] I'm Alana Lang, I'll be speaking for Alexis Kimbro, I'm the deputy director of the Office

[1:49:46] of Emergency Management at Grand County.

[1:49:51] So looking forward, it does not seem that there's going to be any significant changes in

[1:49:56] our budget.

[1:49:56] but we're really just working with that.

[1:50:00] Okay, of the match for the hazard mitigation planning that was taken on in 2020 still paying towards that. We have the 10,000 for right away projects that we're trying to hang on to not only for those right away projects to be able to be applicable for future grants with that 10K. And then we're also going to do another 2500 for the Genesis transition marketing and general information blurb.

[1:50:29] I was going pretty good. We're set very solidly for it to occur in November. We've got a couple. We're working with our public health office right now to get access and functional needs registration figured out before we start throwing them into the system.

[1:50:48] We're going to start doing some more heavy testing with IT here in the next week or two.

[1:50:53] We're just trying to get those last kinks worked out to make sure that what we're putting in the public is going to stick.

[1:50:59] And we don't have to keep flip-flopping in.

[1:51:02] Okay.

[1:51:03] Well, there's a huge increase in professional services.

[1:51:09] Well, this year to 725 put it in for next year, 72500 Hannah.

[1:51:16] Correct me if I'm wrong Ed.

[1:51:17] but I do believe that that's going towards our on-call payments that we're changing.

[1:51:22] I show that as being $30,000 for hazard mitigation, $2,500 for the notification, for the genesis transition, and then $10,000 for the right-of-way hazard mitigation.

[1:51:35] That's what's in the professional services line, right?

[1:51:40] Bring me up to speed on the head, the two the hazardous mitigation.

[1:51:46] So the hazard mitigation plan revision, we're writing a grant for.

[1:51:52] So that's being budgeted at 60K and we anticipate a grant of 30K for that.

[1:51:59] So 30K revenue up top 60K going out in expense in the bottom.

[1:52:04] So, 10K is still in there for right away, clearing, I missed a call from Chief White this morning.

[1:52:18] We're looking at that, those monies were previously earmarked for, who's the group that

[1:52:27] that was coming in year after year, some of those dollars went to Grand Fire with their

[1:52:36] crews in performing that work. I do know Grand Fire and the Wildlife Fire Council also applied

[1:52:43] to O-R-T for some of that work, but we were keeping a placeholder in here for now if unsuccessful

[1:52:55] in that grant application.

[1:52:57] And so we'll know more here in the next 30 days.

[1:52:59] But the request from at least Alexis and Chief White,

[1:53:05] I believe, was to keep that 10K in there for grant match

[1:53:09] for a larger, maybe a state or a federal grant

[1:53:13] if we could pull that down.

[1:53:16] So my initial reaction was applied to OLRT for that

[1:53:20] because of the expanded use that makes a lot of sense.

[1:53:23] So, we'll be able to reconcile here pretty quick, because LRT is going to be making those recommendations to the Board of County Commissioners here I believe this month.

[1:53:34] So two questions. One, I think Mike had mentioned three different things that was under that 72k. What was the third one?

[1:53:41] Hazard mitigation, why are we clearing? What was the third one?

[1:53:44] That $2,500 for the notification of the Genesis transition, and I misspoke because I said $30,000 for hazard mitigation, but it's a $60,000 match.

[1:53:53] It's and that's I've missed I should have clarified that it's at 50 50 match that they'll all right. We had to put the full expense of the grant coming out there

[1:54:02] So just a little bit into the weeds detail

[1:54:05] What actually when you do the right-of-way clear what it what is actually

[1:54:09] Happening on the scene. What's what are we what are we doing these are projects the grand fire and the wild fire council?

[1:54:17] That we've been contracting with I mean

[1:54:20] And we have the president of Grand Fire Protection District before us here as well.

[1:54:26] But those crews with Grand Fire and I believe, Grand Lake also has crews.

[1:54:33] And so we're able to go into our county right-o-ways and clear-

[1:54:39] On county roads?

[1:54:40] Yes.

[1:54:41] And clear, reduce fuels in our county right-o-ways.

[1:54:52] That's good because I've actually observed this happening on Kenner with 55.

[1:54:56] I want to make sure that that's what was behind that.

[1:55:00] This started right after East troublesome and the amount of, you know, unburned standing,

[1:55:08] you know, hazard trees, et cetera, that were in the right of ways that we did in concert

[1:55:14] with Team Rubicon as well as both fire protection districts. So, a lot of it's been paid

[1:55:21] forward grant money, some county money that has also leveraged other state and federal

[1:55:28] grant money. So yeah that helps us head all together because I knew the

[1:55:33] wildfire council was behind some of this money but it was also going through

[1:55:36] you guys to do these projects. And I think there's there's some discussion of

[1:55:41] you know what type of equipment would be more efficient in the future and I think

[1:55:47] you may have seen that big piece of machinery or an attachment to a to an

[1:55:52] excavator that I saw a lot of guys out there with hand saws taken down trees and

[1:55:58] I felt like a buncher. I felt like a buncher in those big mulchers, but that wasn't what I saw on 55.

[1:56:04] Right.

[1:56:04] Those things would be actually quite useful.

[1:56:09] Like on the county road back to the YMCA.

[1:56:11] Yeah.

[1:56:12] Those kind of bridge doesn't

[1:56:14] would like those trees in the county right away for like a snow fence.

[1:56:20] But they are, there's a bunch of them and maybe we can have a Christmas tree sale

[1:56:26] in that particular right away.

[1:56:27] Okay, well, thinking about what has just recently happened in the southeast part of this

[1:56:34] country, that emergency management, on the top of mind is we better be prepared because

[1:56:44] not if, but when some catastrophic natural event could cause a real problems, so thank you

[1:56:51] for your work.

[1:56:52] We're very happy to do it.

[1:56:53] It's awesome to be able to prepare for.

[1:56:57] The other questions for a long time?

[1:56:59] Just how's the new, what's their center called, their emergency?

[1:57:06] Emergency operations.

[1:57:08] All the acronyms.

[1:57:10] Yes.

[1:57:11] The EOC, since the wall has gone up, it's nice and cleaned out.

[1:57:15] We've been able to function out of it for the past couple of months.

[1:57:18] There's good security to the areas that we need access, the secured access to.

[1:57:22] It's come together very nicely.

[1:57:24] We're looking to replace the furniture here in the next year though.

[1:57:29] Certain rescue is happy.

[1:57:30] Yeah, certain rescue is happy there.

[1:57:32] They have a little bit of diminished practicing space for some of their larger trainings.

[1:57:36] But they have a lot of places they can play around the county as well.

[1:57:38] We've been working with them to make sure that everybody stays happy.

[1:57:41] Good.

[1:57:43] All right. Any other questions?

[1:57:48] Very none. I think you're good to go.

[1:57:49] Thank you a lot.

[1:57:50] Thank you. Yeah.

[1:57:51] Appreciate what you do.

[1:57:55] Okay. Next up,

[1:57:59] HR.

[1:58:01] Basically, a totally negative budget.

[1:58:04] Yeah, there's no green on this one.

[1:58:05] Morning, Commissioner.

[1:58:06] Where's your revenue?

[1:58:07] Where's the revenue?

[1:58:08] It's lacking in HR.

[1:58:10] The not going to lie.

[1:58:13] It's very slim.

[1:58:18] So, do you want me to go over everything?

[1:58:21] There's not a lot of-

[1:58:21] I think-

[1:58:22] If you just want to go through any big changes or highlights of anything, I don't think you

[1:58:25] have to go over everything alone.

[1:58:27] Okay.

[1:58:27] So you'll see in the professional services line item a difference of 60,000 essentially and that was put in place there to be a place holder for a potential salary survey update in 2025.

[1:58:41] So I'm not sure if that will be done or not, but that's in there if that goes forward.

[1:58:46] and then in the professional fees technical line item there's an increase there as

[1:58:51] well and that's to cover the mineral training catalogs that we anticipate

[1:58:56] purchasing in 2025 along with convene which is an additional training resource

[1:59:01] that we're going to utilize starting in 2025.

[1:59:04] How do they call it mineral training? I get that kind of confused with a mineral withdrawal at times

[1:59:09] when I see that email pop up. It's just it's tied to hub the mineral training platform

[1:59:14] I don't know the reasoning for the the naming of it, but it's

[1:59:19] The software itself is free, but if we want to purchase additional catalogs outside of the base courses

[1:59:24] Then that's when you have to pay for those individually

[1:59:29] As how's the participation been so far on but there was just one and there's a couple more that are

[1:59:35] Available now, right? It's been great

[1:59:37] It was initially rolled out to the department heads in August and then again in September and then it has was rolled out

[1:59:44] like last week to all the employees and so all the employees are now getting a

[1:59:48] chance to take their first training and we've had a lot of success without a lot of

[1:59:53] people have already completed it so I think it's going well. Is there training

[1:59:57] then the same as the one the department had.

[2:00:00] The digital accessibility training was rolled out to those who create digital content, which was specific to their job descriptions or more or less. Right, it included most employees, but not all. And then I think it was the workplace bullying and harassment that went out to everyone, the managers and the employees. So, you'll see them keep coming forward and hopefully this program will evolve as we move forward.

[2:00:33] But there's two more do at the end of this month.

[2:00:38] Right.

[2:00:40] The last night at the last minute to get to workplace bullying and harassment.

[2:00:52] Well, it'll send your reminders if you haven't done them.

[2:00:54] So and we can always check.

[2:00:56] We're just getting it going and I think it's been been good so far.

[2:01:00] Okay.

[2:01:03] You can hand the questions for HR.

[2:01:07] We're going to get that revenue up a little bit.

[2:01:09] Okay.

[2:01:11] What we can do there.

[2:01:13] All right.

[2:01:14] Thank you.

[2:01:15] Thank you.

[2:01:16] Glad again that you were fully staffed and that things are going well.

[2:01:20] Yes.

[2:01:21] It's very nice.

[2:01:21] Yes.

[2:01:22] It is awesome.

[2:01:24] I agree.

[2:01:25] Thank you.

[2:01:25] It wasn't so awesome.

[2:01:27] Two years ago.

[2:01:27] A little rough.

[2:01:28] Just one.

[2:01:30] Okay, next up.

[2:01:33] Well, on the schedule is our surveyor.

[2:01:36] I've not heard from him yet.

[2:01:40] Break, because we can't, let's see.

[2:01:44] I think he's a break.

[2:01:46] And we can schedule, the surveyor's scheduled for 11.

[2:01:52] Yes.

[2:01:53] Yeah.

[2:01:54] We might as well take a break, at least until 145.

[2:02:05] So let's go ahead and break then until 1045, and if the surveyor can come early, great

[2:02:10] if Abby can come early, that's fine too, but either way, we don't have anybody lined

[2:02:14] up right now.

[2:02:15] So we'll break until 1045, start up then, or not.

[2:16:34] Okay, microphone's back on. It's in 45 and we're going to, we're

[2:16:41] going to start with the sheriff. So the finance director, yeah, we're going to bust the finance director because we did say 10 to 45. But our sheriff is here. Thank you for coming over Brett. So if you want to do, this is what we talked about earlier, our agenda change for our fire restrictions update.

[2:16:56] Thank you, commissioners and everybody, Brett trolling County sheriff. Just want to talk about fire restrictions a little bit is we're all aware. It's October. It's still dry. We don't anticipate any participants.

[2:17:07] for precipitation, coming for the next 10 or 12 days at least.

[2:17:12] A lot of people in our back country with hunting and seasons and stuff, so we're taking this under consideration.

[2:17:17] But conditions are dry, lack of moisture.

[2:17:20] We still remain at four on our fire matrix, which we've always used as a decision factor.

[2:17:26] And so I'd recommend that the Board of County Commissioners extend stage one fire restrictions

[2:17:30] that are set to expire on October 5th for at least two weeks.

[2:17:35] I would 100% agree with that, it's in my observation, it's incredibly dry, crunchy dry.

[2:17:41] And it feels very deja vu as to what happened in 2020 this time of year with we had some pretty

[2:17:47] good winds last night yesterday,

[2:17:51] so I support asking for two weeks and we'll check out

[2:17:55] then and hopefully our federal partners are in line with this, but maybe you can give

[2:17:58] us an update on that too.

[2:17:59] Sure, so just the latest and greatest from the Forest Service just an hour or so ago was

[2:18:03] because they are staying in stage one restrictions for the sulfur ranger district.

[2:18:08] We have heard that the BLM is going to remove their stage one restrictions.

[2:18:13] I'm trying to understand that a little better today.

[2:18:17] So we'll talk to them a little further, but at least the Forest Service is going to be staying in stage one restrictions.

[2:18:21] As a sheriff, I think it's critical that we stay in stage one restrictions as a county.

[2:18:28] I think it's a best spot for us at the county right now.

[2:18:31] Even though people are excited that we get out of fire restrictions, we need to weigh that risk and as elected leaders

[2:18:37] I think that's what we need to do is make the best choice for the county as a whole.

[2:18:42] 100% agree it's I'm fact I had one citizen yesterday said we should go to stage two.

[2:18:47] I don't think we're there yet. I don't think their matrix supports that but we definitely agree to stay in stage one.

[2:18:52] And we are watching that very closely Paul's continuing to have those discussions.

[2:18:56] A couple people have asked me about stage two restrictions as well.

[2:18:59] Our science is showing right there at stage one, so we'll follow the science and stay where we're at, but we'll closely monitor that.

[2:19:07] If something changes, we'll come back and present it. We do actually have very close conditions to red flag conditions today.

[2:19:14] There's actually a couple of alerts this morning that some neighboring areas are having red flag conditions today from like 12 to 9 o'clock.

[2:19:21] And so we're not far off of that as well.

[2:19:23] Well, plenty of fuel out there.

[2:19:25] Absolutely.

[2:19:27] So I think does that require a vote?

[2:19:29] I think it does, so I think a motion then to amend probably our restrictions and not

[2:19:35] sure what that is, our attorney's.

[2:19:37] So I think we need to ask Max to create the paperwork for you guys from the attorney's office

[2:19:43] and I think it was extended for two weeks.

[2:19:45] Okay, so I think that would be the motion then to extend our fire restrictions for stage

[2:19:49] one for two more weeks.

[2:19:50] The Civic date would be October 19th at 11.59pm when that'll expire.

[2:19:57] Sounds good. Sounds like that's the motion.

[2:20:00] Any you would entertain that motion? To make that motion? I move that we extend the stage one fire restrictions until October 19th at 12. 11.59 p.m.

[2:20:13] 11.59 p.m., upon the recommendation of our, I guess,

[2:20:24] discussion. Hopefully, you could convince the BLM to stick with us for two more weeks.

[2:20:30] I plan on making a call to him right after this.

[2:20:33] But regardless of what the BLM does, it's fire restrictions for the whole county, right?

[2:20:40] Correct, Commissioner, yes.

[2:20:41] So when you enact fire restrictions, it applies for all unincorporated Grand County.

[2:20:46] And so we basically have that concurrent jurisdiction with BLM.

[2:20:50] So if we have county fire restrictions and they don't, our county fire restrictions still apply for

[2:20:55] those areas of the county as well.

[2:20:58] We continue to have signage up.

[2:21:01] Yes, we have signage up at all entrances to the county and then there's at least probably

[2:21:07] 2 or 3 or 4 variable message sign boards that are put out as well.

[2:21:12] Sounds good and yes, that was a good point to bring up.

[2:21:14] It is for the county.

[2:21:15] It's just nice to have them on board when we do these things.

[2:21:18] It really helps with our messaging and enforcement when everybody's on board and so we'll work

[2:21:22] with them this afternoon.

[2:21:28] I just was going to say one more thing again as I said earlier it's incredibly dry there's going to be a lot of people in the woods as you said there's not any precipitation scheduled for the next couple weeks so it's going to continue to be dry.

[2:21:41] Conditions are very similar to what we experienced in 2020. We need to do it

[2:21:51] without all being said any other discussion.

[2:21:53] All in favor?

[2:21:57] All right.

[2:21:58] All right.

[2:22:00] Thank you, Brett.

[2:22:01] And Max will prepare that paperwork and we'll be good to go.

[2:22:03] Thank you.

[2:22:04] Thank you for coming over here.

[2:22:05] I'm sure I know the same.

[2:22:06] Thank you.

[2:22:10] So, do we have...

[2:22:12] See you tomorrow.

[2:22:13] Yeah, see you.

[2:22:14] Thank you.

[2:22:14] Yeah.

[2:22:15] We should be here in like...

[2:22:16] Abby's going to be here in like two minutes, three minutes.

[2:22:20] Should we...

[2:22:21] Eight minutes?

[2:22:23] I guess microphones off until...

[2:22:27] Till 11?

[2:22:28] Okay.

[2:22:29] We'll start back up at 11 microphone's off

[2:29:54] Mic phones on, we're going to start up with public health. Abby Baker.

[2:29:58] Thank you very much.

[2:30:01] Good morning commissioners. Thank you for your time this morning. It looks like we'll be starting with the public health budget.

[2:30:10] All right.

[2:30:14] So, some of the highlights that I wanted to point out is that we still have.

[2:30:23] We're continuing to see the expiration of extended COVID grant dollars. We only have two remaining grants.

[2:30:32] from the COVID funding that have been extended through June 30th of 2025, and that amount is $76,215.

[2:30:46] Let's see.

[2:30:51] So yeah, if you look at some of those revenues, the CDC workforce, that one was of COVID fund, and that one has expired this year.

[2:31:04] We also look at the IMM-R3 and IMM-R4, those are the two remaining COVID grant dollars that we have available to us through June 30th of 2025.

[2:31:23] Also, if you could scroll up just a little bit.

[2:31:26] What does that stand for, though?

[2:31:27] I am immunization round three and immunization round four.

[2:31:32] I thought it was some super tricky acronym.

[2:31:35] Nope, not really.

[2:31:38] Also, of note, our radon grant, so that's providing short-term and long-term radon test

[2:31:45] kits for our indoor air quality program.

[2:31:49] That funding amount is actually going up to $10,000 this year, so of an increase of about

[2:31:55] about $5,000.

[2:32:00] Consumer protections help significantly.

[2:32:03] Correct.

[2:32:06] So that line item for revenue is the amount that we received from CDPHE to help support

[2:32:16] our environmental health program, our consumer protection program, and that includes our

[2:32:22] coverage of Jackson County.

[2:32:23] So they've increased our amount from $25,000 to $53,000 to support that program starting this year, so that's an increase of $28,000.

[2:32:38] Also, our

[2:32:44] state tobacco grant funding has also increased.

[2:32:50] We've been traditionally right around $50,000 a year.

[2:32:53] I think we got it back last year or the year before, and they've got a significant additional

[2:33:03] amount of funding that they're awarding to local public health, so we'll be receiving

[2:33:09] an additional $30,000 for that grant program.

[2:33:14] Also of note,

[2:33:18] it should be, I think it's PHN, so that PHN is the funding from CDPHE

[2:33:31] or our core public health services. That amount has increased by $69,395.

[2:33:39] And I think I've mentioned in previous when we were signing this contract back

[2:33:45] back in April or May, that that has been added to the state budget.

[2:33:51] So it's not an additional ask, it was added to the state budget.

[2:33:55] It is anticipated to continue for the foreseeable future for

[2:34:04] public health and infrastructure and services.

[2:34:10] That's about the end of the income highlights.

[2:34:19] For public health, some of our expenditures that I wanted to go over with you are

[2:34:36] professional

[2:34:37] services, so that increase there is inclusive of our phone system, so intermedia, and our

[2:34:50] or Patagonia Health Record System, the electronic health record system, so that's a monthly subscription that we...

[2:35:00] Okay. To have access to that. So that's included in that line item with the professional services.

[2:35:17] I know it's a lot of lines. It is a lot of lines.

[2:35:26] There's a pretty good number in revenue for the American rescue plan. That should be expired and expired in June of this year.

[2:35:35] That 57,000 shouldn't be there.

[2:35:39] Not be there for 2025, is it in there?

[2:35:44] That's-

[2:35:45] By looking at CDC infrastructure, sorry.

[2:35:47] Oh, yep, so CDC infrastructure, that's the five-year grant that we've received from the state to help

[2:35:58] maintain and support public health infrastructure, have those funds through 30th of 2027.

[2:36:09] It's a payment every quarter of a specified amount up to $25,000 over five years.

[2:36:19] So, what I have in for 2025 is our expected revenue for 2025.

[2:36:28] Right, right, okay, sorry, I misread the line there.

[2:36:31] No problem.

[2:36:32] All right, I presume that that's for specific kinds of things or?

[2:36:40] It's pretty broad and it's reached what I've submitted a budget for is to help support professional development

[2:36:50] opportunities for our staff, upgrading some of our office equipment, monitors, computers,

[2:37:01] that sort of thing to help offset some of those costs in addition to supporting some of our

[2:37:07] personnel.

[2:37:11] I do vaccines

[2:37:17] and medications line item under supplies.

[2:37:23] We did increase that amount

[2:37:25] from 10,000 to 15,000 and that's in anticipation of ordering additional vaccines with the expectation

[2:37:37] that will be able to provide some private vaccines. So private vaccines are allocated for those

[2:37:45] that have an insurance provider of some sort outside of Medicaid so that we can bill for those

[2:37:52] immunizations that we administer and then we're also a little more inclusive, so anyone who walks

[2:38:00] in our door who wants to receive an immunization from public health. If we have that in stock,

[2:38:04] we're able to provide that and then request reimbursement from their insurance providers,

[2:38:12] actively working

[2:38:13] on but anticipating to have in place.

[2:38:19] Okay?

[2:38:21] Oh, sorry, under professional services, I didn't go

[2:38:25] in order very well. I apologize.

[2:38:29] There's an additional $10,000 in

[2:38:32] professional services, I believe. Correct?

[2:38:45] 75, 12.

[2:38:51] Specials tech services, possibly.

[2:38:55] So 75, 12 on here, is that what you're looking at?

[2:38:58] Right, there's an additional one. It's the line item where we put the outdoor

[2:39:06] for air quality monitoring contract?

[2:39:09] Yes, yes, professional services tech,

[2:39:17] oh up there.

[2:39:43] We added $10,000 to add the cost of the air quality monitoring contract that we have

[2:39:54] for the air sampling, the canister.

[2:40:01] If it increased to 10, then it just didn't make it on there maybe because my note says $6,500 for air quality monitoring under professional services along with background checks. Okay. We need to increase that line. I think the contract that we have is for 10,000. That all going to get paid out of 25 or is it split between two years? That's probably where the 65,000. So thank you for that.

[2:40:29] So what do we need to change something?

[2:40:31] No, no, I don't think so.

[2:40:34] So my explanation there, so professional services did increase by 65,000 to account for

[2:40:45] the cost of the outdoor.

[2:40:46] 65,000.

[2:40:47] 65,000.

[2:40:48] Okay.

[2:40:49] Sorry.

[2:40:50] That's when it makes it around the right zero.

[2:40:52] My brain got ahead of my mouth.

[2:40:53] Okay.

[2:40:54] So the 75, 12 was good.

[2:40:56] Right.

[2:40:56] Okay.

[2:40:57] Yes.

[2:40:57] So, that's where that increase is accounted for is the air quality monitoring contract that

[2:41:04] we have.

[2:41:04] Okay.

[2:41:05] Okay.

[2:41:13] Bio-terrorism.

[2:41:14] What are we doing there?

[2:41:15] That's the emergency preparedness and response,

[2:41:21] called bioterrorism, probably.

[2:41:26] Now it's called public health emergency preparedness, that includes our epidemiological surveillance

[2:41:37] and communicable disease surveillance.

[2:41:47] Other thing of note, go ahead, Curtis.

[2:41:52] Yep, so the amount that we have allocated to WIC as an expense has decreased.

[2:42:03] We can't leave.

[2:42:04] Thanks for the part two.

[2:42:05] And Max.

[2:42:07] Yeah, so we did put in as a partnership with Summit County and Colorado WIC is providing additional funds to Summit County to support that partnership.

[2:42:20] So it takes a lot of the burden off of us for supporting that with the WIC director from summit being available to Grand County.

[2:42:32] Happy, do you foresee us,

[2:42:36] you're staying with that sort of model and not going back to, okay?

[2:42:41] Yeah, what Colorado WIC is really moving toward is some regionalization of the WIC services so that we can share some of the burden.

[2:42:50] And it's a, there are specific requirements like a registered dietitian or

[2:42:56] WIC director that can provide some of that support for higher need,

[2:43:03] WIC clients, in addition to having a WIC educator on staff.

[2:43:08] So we have a WIC educator on staff, but we partner with Summit County to provide that registered

[2:43:13] dietitian and director support.

[2:43:15] So with the state recognizing that partnership, there's additional funds to

[2:43:20] some at county and takes a lot of the burden off of Grand County to support that partnership.

[2:43:25] Yeah.

[2:43:28] The only other bigger thing of note would be under repair and maintenance.

[2:43:53] The carpet request.

[2:43:55] Capital.

[2:43:56] Oh is that under capital, thank you.

[2:43:58] And then looking back, I mean you have 29 in there, but looking back at those quotes.

[2:44:03] Were those, is that 29 accurate?

[2:44:07] It's 29 to 30, I think we had really anticipated closer to 30.

[2:44:13] But 29 does do carpet replacement in the main public health office and then that admin building in front, where carpet is desperately needed.

[2:44:24] So main building plus yours, okay, by

[2:44:32] the time budget's approved something

[2:44:40] like January, I

[2:44:44] would hope not, but we'll

[2:44:51] go with a

[2:44:53] or option or one building that

[2:44:58] come up with the rest.

[2:45:05] I had in our notes that we had at 30,000, if we could, I mean, if we want to do 32,000, just to make sure we have that cost covered, that would be an ideal. Good. And then in addition to where you're talking about in your office, the need for some sort of divider or what were you talking about? I'd like to make an office in that front part of that. So there's two separate offices.

[2:45:30] Yeah, so there's an actual office in that front room in addition to the office that I'm

[2:45:36] currently because I do have a nurse in that space right now and it's just really difficult

[2:45:42] if we're both on separate calls to be all with the door would be great.

[2:45:50] Space enough to do all this.

[2:45:51] Oh, yes.

[2:45:52] Yep.

[2:45:53] And there's a window, so it's

[2:45:59] a wall, a door and carpet.

[2:46:05] So, do we need to, I would cover the wall of the door that you're talking about?

[2:46:14] Question on how much it would cost?

[2:46:18] Like a 10 foot long wall kind of thing?

[2:46:23] Probably.

[2:46:26] Possibly do that in house the wall.

[2:46:28] Right.

[2:46:28] I think there had been discussion about any leftover materials from frame

[2:46:38] out a wall and put it

[2:46:39] door in.

[2:46:40] So

[2:46:43] we have, I think a 35 would cover that, I mean if we don't use it high.

[2:46:53] Thank you.

[2:47:00] Okay.

[2:47:02] So just a note, we're doing a lot of searching for additional grant programs that align

[2:47:11] with the services we already provide or services that we'd like to provide that wouldn't increase

[2:47:17] our FTE capacity by any means, but would bring an additional revenue to our office so

[2:47:25] that we can get a little more self-sustaining than we are currently.

[2:47:30] Also of note, when we did fee hearings, we did requests to raise some fees with environmental

[2:47:40] health for plan review fees and change of ownership, just some of those hourly fees to come in

[2:47:46] line with our surrounding counties because we right now are the least expensive of surrounding

[2:47:52] counties for those two services for plan review and then change of ownership.

[2:47:59] So we do have a little extra revenue that we'll be bringing in if we public

[2:48:16] health budget.

[2:48:22] I think we're good, questions?

[2:48:28] Trying to keep it at 50, I'd like to get to 75 but I don't want to mission creep or do

[2:48:36] of things that don't align with what item what we'd like to do.

[2:48:42] Okay,

[2:48:48] the home care budget.

[2:48:58] So we did also request during fee hearings to raise our private pay fee from $30 an

[2:49:08] an hour to $35 an hour and that is affected revenue.

[2:49:17] It really is an unknown, specifically at this point,

[2:49:23] how many clients will have on private pay versus Medicaid billable.

[2:49:28] So just to offset some of the cost of the program,

[2:49:33] we're proposing that raise of $5 an hour.

[2:49:39] Otherwise, there's no additional changes to the program or operations.

[2:49:48] Remind me again, would you say our average load, patient load is for this, or client load whatever you want to call it?

[2:49:56] If we could say on average we have 15 clients per month.

[2:50:00] Some of those are visited a few times a week. Some are every other week. It really just depends on the client's needs. Right now, we have a client roster of 18. So, that's probably the highest we've had in the program's history as far as I can find anyway. So, we've got a good mix of payer sources also, a good mix of private pay,

[2:50:29] versus Medicaid.

[2:50:32] So also Medicaid reimbursement is going up $1.26 an hour, so I can't remember what that comes out to.

[2:50:39] It's just over $26 an hour for reimbursable questions

[2:50:52] there.

[2:50:54] Questions on home care?

[2:50:56] I'll just try to wrap my head around the fact that it's more than $10,000 per client per year.

[2:51:04] And

[2:51:14] that note,

[2:51:20] I guess, there's not a pair to be many of any grant opportunities for this type of service.

[2:51:30] Yeah, we actually do send some of our clients that are on their fixed incomes that don't have a lot of reserves to help pay for things we do partner with vintage to provide those vouchers for home care services.

[2:51:47] So we do have a little bit of that as well, but Vintage, I think we've discussed this in prior conversations that Vintage also had a reduction in their budget for services.

[2:52:00] So there are a lot of men of vouchers for home care services also decreased a little bit, and it's a first come first served.

[2:52:08] So we make sure that clients who are eligible to receive those vouchers apply as soon as it's open.

[2:52:14] and so that they can take advantage of some of those vouchers through vintage.

[2:52:21] The additional payer source, it's just not a significant amount.

[2:52:28] Yep, aside from that, there's not a whole lot of grant funding.

[2:52:32] Always look, I'm on all the distribution lists.

[2:52:44] Any other questions?

[2:52:45] Thank you.

[2:52:47] We're good to go on.

[2:52:49] So, the last program would be senior nutrition.

[2:52:56] We also had discussions about this in May that vintage with their reduction in available

[2:53:05] For various programs, we're not a recipient of their restaurant voucher program support.

[2:53:19] So what is the primary change for this program is adding $5,400 to support the five to

[2:53:30] can be fighting that service.

[2:53:34] What those vouchers are, we have one restaurant in Kremlin, we're always working to try and

[2:53:42] add more, but one restaurant in Kremlin and three in Grambi that are participants of

[2:53:47] this voucher program and anyone over the age of 60 can pick up these restaurant vouchers,

[2:53:53] it's a voucher for $15, so they can go to one of the participating restaurants and take

[2:53:59] themselves out to lunch or go out to lunch with some friends and have that meal paid for.

[2:54:07] There are no qualifications in one of those vouchers.

[2:54:12] No, just age.

[2:54:18] It is just quite the hit with some of our seniors.

[2:54:23] They regularly come by and pick out new vouchers once a week.

[2:54:30] They enjoy having an opportunity to go out and eat at a restaurant.

[2:54:37] predominantly economically lower on the scale I would say so and through vintage when we did

[2:54:46] receive vintage funding for this we did do assessments for everyone who was receiving these vouchers

[2:54:53] and primarily they were being used by lower income.

[2:55:01] Found in their program. It's hopeful, and of course, I'll always submit an application when the RFP is available to help support the restaurant vouchers.

[2:55:16] I'll keep trying.

[2:55:22] Questions? Okay, keep going.

[2:55:23] So, I did also increase the amount budgeted from the mom's meals program.

[2:55:30] It's the home delivered meal program on the line item there.

[2:55:34] It's just an increase of $3,635 and that's just to come up to what we

[2:55:41] expanded in 2023 to continue to support the mom's meal program and that's four meals a week.

[2:55:49] They brought some in so you could try them, but they get to pick from the menu.

[2:55:54] They're delivered to the house every two weeks.

[2:55:57] And it's just for homebound with some variety and ease of having something to eat.

[2:56:06] Just leveling that out a little bit in accordance with the 2023 expenditures.

[2:56:13] So there's that one and then doing that for what two years now that was

[2:56:21] a new company, a different company that was 2019, it's

[2:56:36] something different

[2:56:37] though.

[2:56:44] Yes, I do. So yeah, that's what I remember is reaching for me to be

[2:56:48] familiarize us with the correct. Yeah, it was because there was a question about

[2:56:52] or a comment about the meals not being that great or yeah, that there wasn't a lot

[2:56:57] a variety, so they did a presentation and we had a sample pack and a process.

[2:57:04] But we didn't end up changing anything, we just reiterated what they were doing with.

[2:57:09] Yep, and give you a chance to try some of the meals.

[2:57:14] I'm sure if that's what you're relying on on a regular basis that can get old as anything

[2:57:21] would, but.

[2:57:28] Right.

[2:57:29] And

[2:57:32] then just keeping things the same with the Lunch and Learn program, no increase or deduction on that.

[2:57:41] It seems like we're pretty right-sized on that.

[2:57:43] It balances out some months.

[2:57:45] We spend the full amount budgeted, I think it's $2,400.

[2:57:52] For the Lunch and Learn, so sometimes we're under and sometimes we're a little bit over, but it maintains pretty well.

[2:57:57] I think last year we were actually under budget by about $10,000, but the program has gained popularity, so I don't want to change that line item too much at all so that we can adjust as the program.

[2:58:15] Since

[2:58:21] where is that one in the that would be I think it's food

[2:58:28] I thought that was maybe the restaurant vouchers would be great

[2:58:58] program

[2:59:03] I told you Grand Lake did have to move to the Grand Lake Community Center

[2:59:09] because the library couldn't accommodate everyone who wanted to attend

[2:59:12] And they have reservations pretty much every month and great presenters, and it's become

[2:59:22] a really nice platform to reach our seniors, like moving to Genesis, which I think Ilana

[2:59:29] has reached out to the libraries to make sure we can reach the same time.

[2:59:33] I've had several others reach out.

[2:59:35] How do I get on the list for presenters for the launch and learns?

[2:59:39] and it's been a really great way to connect with our seniors in the community and provide

[2:59:48] information and we actually just presented on this at the Public Health and the Rockies

[2:59:55] conference last week, and...

[3:00:00] Rose, who does a lot of the nutrition. I think she's also presented for county employees, but, you know, people have come to her with all kinds of dietary questions. She does their blood pressure checks also during the luncheon one program. So we're kind of monitoring health there and helping with some preventive recommendations to provide her for things that we're noticing. So, been great. People are paying attention to each other.

[3:00:35] Yes.

[3:00:35] Yes, word-winning, don't forget.

[3:00:40] That's all I have for you for my budget.

[3:00:43] Good question Mr. Chair, curious, either way,

[3:00:45] are you planning to attend the CCI winner this year or not?

[3:00:49] Conference?

[3:00:55] It's an instrument service that goes on this public health goes.

[3:00:57] It's totally optional to you, but.

[3:00:59] I do get newsletters on occasion, but I have that particular event.

[3:01:12] Yeah, if you can't find the dates or whatever,

[3:01:15] Sydney has it and she made a reservation for us.

[3:01:17] out with an agenda yet? No, still a draft last hour. I just don't want to make it meaningful,

[3:01:27] if there's a draft to change breakout part. Yeah, some years or some years or not. So yeah,

[3:01:34] it's a pretty good criteria to decide whether or not to go. Yeah, I definitely keep an eye on this.

[3:01:44] There's one of the one of the biggest takeaways in my first CCI was the two-hour seminar on public

[3:01:51] and stuck with me, you know?

[3:02:00] Are we all current on our training requirements?

[3:02:04] Why?

[3:02:06] Oh, boy.

[3:02:07] Just, I didn't want to...

[3:02:09] I was trying to get you off the hook.

[3:02:11] I'm grandfather, I'm whatever.

[3:02:13] You still have one to do?

[3:02:14] You kicked me out in January.

[3:02:15] Yes.

[3:02:15] But the response was...

[3:02:17] Is it due?

[3:02:17] No.

[3:02:18] The state's not going to be lenient.

[3:02:20] So I'm not like overdue.

[3:02:22] No, you're not overdue.

[3:02:23] But I did send out a reminder two weeks ago.

[3:02:33] I thought so too, and I think we went through this I can't

[3:02:36] It feels like it wasn't that long ago with the certificates and letting them know that you did complete.

[3:02:49] I'll look for that and see if I'm

[3:02:59] Thank you. Thank you very much. Yep.

[3:03:05] All right. Doesn't

[3:03:13] look like there's much to look at.

[3:03:17] Well, did he we didn't even contact him at all?

[3:03:20] I left him a voice message earlier today,

[3:03:26] he held him as time.

[3:03:28] Remember if he even came last year, but last year, but I am,

[3:03:37] I'm sorry.

[3:03:39] You don't expect him to come?

[3:03:40] I've not heard from him this year, so we've reached out a couple times.

[3:03:46] Billy, there's no significant change, is there anything in there?

[3:03:49] No, he gets a lower salary and we provide benefits,

[3:04:02] more services, contract.

[3:04:07] I think we're probably good to go ahead and just do it.

[3:04:10] I guess if he shows up he can give him a few minutes to explain anything.

[3:04:14] I mean, basically, that's all there is is the personnel costs, it's $20, $200,000.

[3:04:25] I don't see any possible concerns with the proving his budget.

[3:04:32] Quest from him, for any additional purchases, you know, sometimes he's asked for,

[3:04:49] I don't know what he's got under professional fees, heck, but he spent $6.45.

[3:05:01] Budget something there.

[3:05:07] Oh, is that the telephone?

[3:05:13] I bet it is.

[3:05:18] I would question whether that's necessary.

[3:05:23] Look up just. He doesn't have an office in his building, does he? Yeah, down, down by the bill. If we upgraded that phone,

[3:05:40] I show that he's on the computer refresh list for 25 as well.

[3:05:50] 2500. It's got 2000. So it's 45.

[3:06:19] That's what's on the IT list for computer refresh.

[3:06:23] So you're going to add that in there?

[3:06:40] $1,000 in that.

[3:06:54] All our recommendations if you're okay with that.

[3:06:57] $1 for post-teach actual.

[3:07:01] That's accurate.

[3:07:02] it? Probably a mistake. On one stamp. Two stamps.

[3:07:13] I don't know.

[3:07:15] All right. I think we're

[3:07:17] going to do you have those couple of additions.

[3:07:24] Are we counting manager now? Or commissioners

[3:07:27] move commissioners up.

[3:07:33] Either one, I'm good to do it now. Abby is going to have

[3:07:39] that while

[3:07:42] I think I'm going to start at 1 o'clock.

[3:07:43] We can do lunch now while Abby is here.

[3:07:48] She doesn't have to wait for us.

[3:07:50] Lunch and then start county manager early.

[3:07:54] China can be.

[3:07:56] I think I don't know, guys.

[3:07:58] I think we get started at 1 o'clock.

[3:08:00] Everything is done fast.

[3:08:01] I'm looking ahead.

[3:08:02] Unless you all on your preview of the budget think this is

[3:08:06] controversial.

[3:08:06] is going to be changed.

[3:08:08] It's not funny.

[3:08:09] I don't know.

[3:08:09] This year.

[3:08:10] I don't know.

[3:08:11] I don't know.

[3:08:12] Hold on to the conversation.

[3:08:13] One to three.

[3:08:14] It could happen.

[3:08:15] But we were done by two o'clock with all three bills.

[3:08:17] I don't know.

[3:08:21] I would agree with you.

[3:08:23] I would do county manager.

[3:08:29] That's what they did.

[3:08:30] And then she would be sure to do that.

[3:08:32] Let's do that.

[3:08:33] Let's do lunch now.

[3:08:33] I'll be here.

[3:08:34] So she doesn't have to wait.

[3:08:35] And then we can come and do those.

[3:08:36] And county manager and commissioners budget first.

[3:08:39] And then do.

[3:08:41] She and after that.

[3:08:49] So we'll turn microphones off and we'll start back up at one o'clock with

[3:08:54] with a county manager budget, microphone's off.

[4:32:28] Microphones on. Let's go ahead and get started with our one o'clock agenda item, which is tab number 18. Any manager, Ed Moyer, and he just left the room. So.

[4:32:42] We're going to start with water protection, which Catherine can go. We'll start with. We're going to get started under the manager items. So Catherine, you're up.

[4:32:51] Ab 18 second

[4:32:57] from last.

[4:33:01] Okay. Good to go.

[4:33:09] Hello, for the second time. Catherine Morris. Grand County Water Quality Manager.

[4:33:14] here to present the water protection and the water quality budgets to you.

[4:33:21] This year's water protection budget includes revenues just under $235,000.

[4:33:28] That's a 71% decrease.

[4:33:31] It equates to $580,000 less than last year.

[4:33:36] That's because of the Colorado River Connectivity Channel funds that we received this year.

[4:33:41] And also a $36,000 grant for the Kawanichi Valley Restoration Project that is hopefully all of those will be expended by the close of 2024.

[4:33:55] So there's a commensurate decrease almost in expenditures to a little more than 738,000.

[4:34:05] The decrease is 565,000, so just 15 short of that revenue decrease.

[4:34:15] In addition to what's already mentioned, I have the following specific account highlights.

[4:34:21] So wildfire-ready watersheds phase two started two to three months later than anticipated.

[4:34:29] So an equivalent amount of funds, both revenues and expenditures, is being shifted from 2024

[4:34:36] for into the 2025 budget.

[4:34:41] Which, which plan item is that?

[4:34:44] That would be special projects as we're going to show up.

[4:34:49] And it's probably over $100,000 for wildfire ready watersheds.

[4:34:54] I mean, my value is well over that, but it remains yet to be seen how they bill.

[4:34:59] Thank you.

[4:35:00] And where the bulk of the work happens. So, Catherine, the, so special projects in this year's budget was 296. We're not going to spend all that. Correct. And that's going to be punted to the majority of it next year. Correct. Two to three months of that. That's my point. Thank you. In of the 262. How much of that as well? Fire ready. I don't

[4:35:31] actually have that detail with me. Right.

[4:35:35] right now.

[4:35:35] But there's other professionals.

[4:35:37] Yeah, special projects, but that is far and away the primary.

[4:35:46] And then there were 23,000 in revenues from CatchMatch, CatchMatch for wildfire-ready watersheds

[4:35:55] in 2024 that don't show up in 2024's budget and will not show up in 2025's budget because

[4:36:04] As they give us the money after budget season occurred and we're going to try and expend it before the close of 2024 to stop this department from having to roll it over into 2025.

[4:36:22] So we're going to try and front load that so that the majority of the CWCB funds come in in 2025.

[4:36:32] Other than that, expenditures are significant increases or legal fees.

[4:36:38] We have three projects that we're expecting to cost more.

[4:36:43] Water quality is not a significant increase, but I wanted to highlight it.

[4:36:47] It's only a 1% increase.

[4:36:52] USGS monitoring contract went up considerably this year, well above inflation.

[4:36:57] However, we negotiated a decrease with learning by doing project partners for our monitoring cost share.

[4:37:10] And so that's absorbing much of that difference in cost, which is nice.

[4:37:16] And that will continue now.

[4:37:19] The monitoring partners have agreed to those percentages, a reduced percentage for

[4:37:24] county going forward, and so happy about that.

[4:37:29] And then GC wins cost is up by $5,000 because they are instituting a new dashboard.

[4:37:36] For data visualization, strategic plan, and there's also a dues increase in there.

[4:37:46] Decreases in the budgets.

[4:37:49] There is no wind-a-gap pumping in, sorry, funding for

[4:37:54] or when to get pumping in 2025, traditionally or in recent years anyway.

[4:38:00] We've reserved $35,000 for that.

[4:38:02] So that's where we're getting our biggest reduction and cost this year.

[4:38:08] In the future, commissioners just as a reminder, Denver Water will be contributing $500,000 to a fund to be used for pumping.

[4:38:17] And then I think two years after another milestone, there'll be another 500.

[4:38:22] So there's going to be a total of million dollars of seed money for when you get pumping

[4:38:27] in the future.

[4:38:28] If we have the chance to pump next year and we're in a unique situation, we'll come

[4:38:34] to you and request a supplemental and set a budgeting for it.

[4:38:38] I asked them to remove that this year as we budgeted for it in previous years and we'll

[4:38:46] just remove that.

[4:38:47] If we have a unique situation, we'll come to you with a workbook.

[4:38:53] Also, removed our contingency, there was always a contingency of just $4,000 in professional

[4:39:01] services so that we could participate in events like when they hired a toxicologist or

[4:39:07] two toxicologists for the Henderson-Millibdenum study and things like that.

[4:39:13] We had extra money this year, we will not have those funds.

[4:39:18] So that's a decrease of $4,000.

[4:39:19] And then special projects, we've already talked about decreases, but it's duplex.

[4:39:27] So the other amount in there is the $50,000 rich in him and ditch study.

[4:39:32] Thank you.

[4:39:37] So that's a CRCA requirement that we participate with Denver Water, much like we did the Big Lake ditch study on those two other ditches.

[4:39:48] So,

[4:39:52] special projects decreased by 34,000 due to no funding for

[4:39:57] 10,000 less.

[4:40:00] Last for wildfire ready, watersheds, phase one of wildfire ready, watersheds being completed, and phase two, only being about 14,000 higher than what was estimated in 24.

[4:40:14] LBD administrative contributions also decreased by 4,000. So in conclusion, general support in this budget, let's see, is 503,000. It's a pretty modest increase from last year.

[4:40:32] has a 3% increase last year was 489,000.

[4:40:38] We call it water protection charges, no fees, and budget at grant revenue is going from 815,000 in 24 to 235,000 in 255.

[4:40:54] Any questions?

[4:41:00] I know that you already said this, but the Wendy Gap connectivity went to zero, but is there any potential that there might be expenses that left that we're going to have to pay on that or is that completely closed out?

[4:41:13] It should be completely closed out. It depends on if they meet their timing.

[4:41:21] Confident that the zero is fine there.

[4:41:24] Yeah,

[4:41:27] that is the plan.

[4:41:28] Okay, and then on the windy gap pumping, I know that Mr. Moyer just talked about that, and

[4:41:36] take it out, but is there at least a 50% chance that we're going to need to do that this year?

[4:41:43] No, I would just say we leave it in there, put that money in there for the pumping.

[4:41:48] There's always a chance that we're going to do it and then it's there.

[4:41:55] It's a bit of a numbers exercise.

[4:41:58] I know, but we know the funds from Denver water are coming, but what do we plan on that expenditure?

[4:42:06] It's a possibility just as much as not that it could happen, right?

[4:42:10] Unless you know something that's not going to happen for sure. We'll put it back in

[4:42:16] Thank you commissioners. Yes, thank you. Some point off. It's there. We're gonna do it. Let's put it in there

[4:42:24] Got that change over there Curtis. Yes sir 35,000

[4:42:28] That was the number, yeah.

[4:42:29] Yep.

[4:42:30] Okay.

[4:42:31] That's all I had.

[4:42:33] Okay.

[4:42:34] And the other budget that I have is the water quality.

[4:42:40] This year's budget includes revenues of 18,600.

[4:42:45] That's based on 15,000 of water quality impact fee assessments on new development and then interest earnings.

[4:42:54] which are projected to decrease from last year.

[4:42:59] Benatures are just an estimated 150 for treasure fees.

[4:43:04] That's it.

[4:43:07] That one was pretty simple.

[4:43:08] Yes.

[4:43:09] Notice how it's all green.

[4:43:15] Questions on that one?

[4:43:17] No, thank you for the review, thank you.

[4:43:19] So then we have a fund balance on water quality of $165,000 roughly.

[4:43:34] And will that fund be used?

[4:43:37] I think we need to develop a

[4:43:42] plan for the use of those funds that has the approval of parties involved.

[4:43:51] But at this point we don't have a plan in place, okay, good.

[4:44:01] All right, thanks, Catherine.

[4:44:02] Thank you.

[4:44:03] Thank you.

[4:44:04] Okay.

[4:44:05] Which raises an interesting question.

[4:44:08] A big contract.

[4:44:15] I apologize, Commissioner.

[4:44:17] I was having a side conversation with the Assistant Council.

[4:44:20] We were talking about the balance in the water quality fund.

[4:44:26] It gets added on every year because they don't have any expenses related.

[4:44:31] We've

[4:44:35] had several discussions about that, and part

[4:44:43] of that discussion was going to be recommending we pay for some of the water quality monitoring out of the water protection budget with those funds, but all that is as an interfund transfer.

[4:44:55] There's a much larger discussion about how to utilize those funds per

[4:45:05] So, my question was, do we need to hire somebody to make a plan, create the plan? How to use those? Unless you already have some really strong ideas of what that should be, and we just need to get them on paper. I'll throw that out there, you think about it. Maybe next year we'll know.

[4:45:35] Okay. What's next?

[4:45:37] Next.

[4:45:40] Any minute or somebody?

[4:45:42] 18A for each livestock sale.

[4:45:45] Okay.

[4:45:46] So commissioners, we increased the revenue and the expenditure in that particular budget

[4:45:53] based on historic sales the last few years.

[4:45:57] Actual for 2024 is going to hit close to that $475,000 for revenue.

[4:46:03] Any

[4:46:08] questions on that one?

[4:46:09] Are you good with that number, Sheena?

[4:46:10] Yeah, this

[4:46:19] budget is pretty straightforward, sorry, go on.

[4:46:24] All right, I'll see what Mike had jumped in here, but we just received that budget for a draft budget from the district last night, was it?

[4:46:38] Yes, so I don't know.

[4:46:40] We haven't had a chance to go through it.

[4:46:43] There's $46,000 in there for capital projects, for upgrades to the community lift station.

[4:46:50] They'll be working on engineering, and then we did increase tap fees in July to $20,000 per tap about

[4:47:04] all I have on that one.

[4:47:05] I just want to bring up commissioners, this goes back to 1998, 1999, 2000.

[4:47:13] So, to apply to the state for a site application for waste water treatment plants.

[4:47:27] You go through all the permitting process, a 1041 permit through the county, part of that original plan was always to have a, there was a need for a lift station.

[4:47:37] for old town. And there are some needed repairs to that lift station, which will be in this budget for next year.

[4:47:50] In fact, we'll probably see some engineering costs for that this fall.

[4:47:56] But apparently the state of Colorado does not have a site application, a separate site application for that lift station.

[4:48:03] It's referenced in the original site application for the wastewater treatment plant.

[4:48:09] In fact, all the distribution lines, the sewer lines in Old Town, many of them, I mean,

[4:48:17] people couldn't have gotten served without the lift station.

[4:48:20] So it was part and parcel of the project, and we're being told that, you know,

[4:48:28] flight application, go through this whole state process with CDG and I don't know how much

[4:48:35] that's going to cost,

[4:48:38] we keep digging through the files, we're going through laser

[4:48:43] fish and we're going through all these old files, trying to find documents that because

[4:48:49] the state does not have it and my mind keeps telling me it's probably in a file, a hard file

[4:48:55] in steamboat because Jim Trebrillo back in the day with the state of Colorado in the late 90s and early 2000s.

[4:49:03] He had an office in steamboat and we cannot find this thing.

[4:49:08] Anyway, long story short is we may have to go through process.

[4:49:14] We don't know the cost there but just bringing up the speed on where we're at there.

[4:49:19] So, we'll go back with regard to this proposed budget, one third of the budget that's proposed from Tabernace Meadows wastewater and sanitation district.

[4:49:32] We'll get that budget inputted in here, and you'll see it with the preliminary budget determination.

[4:49:40] Is that fair, Michael Curtis?

[4:49:42] Yes.

[4:49:44] So is the issue that nobody has a copy of the original site plan, or is it just this lift

[4:49:53] station?

[4:49:53] I have a site application and an amended site application and an amended site application

[4:49:59] for the voice.

[4:50:00] Water treatment plant, but it, it, it only refers to the lift station and there's not a separate site application for the lift station.

[4:50:13] Does there have to be? That was my question.

[4:50:18] Where to it in there? I mean, I guess that's a question. I guess, you know,

[4:50:25] the CDPHE. They're going to require it. Sorry. How long is it going to take to get a permit when they're now doing wetlands? CDH, yes, CDH five years.

[4:50:37] is several years behind in their permitting.

[4:50:40] Oh, I've heard.

[4:50:42] So, a bit soon.

[4:50:47] Well, if we need to.

[4:50:50] Then we take years to answer the questions there.

[4:50:52] I would say, well, Ed Kasai,

[4:50:54] if I would offer a submit, just fill it out.

[4:50:57] So, we're going to figure out what the minimum,

[4:51:00] what we have to do in order to make these repairs

[4:51:04] or replace the pump.

[4:51:06] Right.

[4:51:07] The actual pump in the lift station.

[4:51:09] How come you just don't do it without getting without the payment system maintenance of an existing I would be my argument as well.

[4:51:20] So being that we have an idea with the district that is in the responsibility as operation and maintenance of the wastewater treatment plant and the distribution system election system on behalf of the community.

[4:51:36] know anything that they do or contract for maintenance or repair and upgrades to a lift station

[4:51:43] they have to be on the up and up and make sure that all the

[4:51:48] eyes are dotted tees are crossed so I'm just letting you guys know where we're at.

[4:51:53] And but I also understand if that pump would fail that's a bigger problem than not having the right

[4:51:58] tea. Oh absolutely. That pump fails we're replacing it and we'll deal with the other stuff later.

[4:52:06] Absolutely, yeah the resident that that comment absolutely I agree with that

[4:52:16] no budget invocations to that yet yet or there should be some costs on it

[4:52:27] had the $40,000 in there that's what's in there now and the 40,000 in the budget that we received from the district we do not have that it is not in your encode documents yet.

[4:52:39] We will be adding a lot of.

[4:52:43] I can put that in tonight.

[4:52:45] I think we should put that in there if we know at least that much is correct.

[4:52:48] Thank you, Curtis.

[4:52:51] So this year there was a contingency grant county of 137,000.

[4:52:59] That's the account we use when we pay the estimated.

[4:53:03] Pay one-twelfth of the budget and you zero it out.

[4:53:06] You threw up when they get their audit done each May.

[4:53:10] So they don't have to float us in

[4:53:16] that $40,000 lift station cost will come out of fund balance, right?

[4:53:24] Because that will come out of tap sale proceeds that are to be used for capital.

[4:53:32] Correct, yeah.

[4:53:33] So we won't put that in the contingency.

[4:53:38] Okay.

[4:53:41] Is that it for that one?

[4:53:43] Yes, sir.

[4:53:44] Okay.

[4:53:45] Next.

[4:53:46] Any maintenance?

[4:53:46] Okay.

[4:53:47] So, commissioners, in this budget, we had in there $6,000 for a cinder for the Kubota.

[4:53:53] However, you authorized the purchase of that brand new one that we found online.

[4:53:57] So, we are in the process of doing that in 24.

[4:54:00] So, we can actually remove $6,000 out of their equipment line.

[4:54:07] Actually, I think it was in the non-op or

[4:54:13] no, it would have been an equipment because it was anticipated to be $6,000 right there.

[4:54:18] So, 6,000 can come out of that line.

[4:54:22] Yes. And then the other 65,000 is the skid steer that we're looking to replace.

[4:54:27] We will pursue probably trying to find a used one with low hours, but we don't know exactly what that cost will be just yet.

[4:54:38] or looking at sending this one down to John Deere, to get it, to have them go through it.

[4:54:44] The problem is that then we're without for that length of time.

[4:54:48] Is it preferred for our maintenance team to have a tractor wheeled, excuse me.

[4:54:54] I think it was looking at my fellow commissioners, I can trust.

[4:55:00] It's the team to shop for use, but let's budget conservatively as a group of advice to and budget for new and then if they buy used. Great. Okay. You both. Well, I think it is okay because what I'm seeing is that some of this use stuff is pretty expensive as well. It's also hard to find. I mean,

[4:55:25] we just heard from Kristia the day that the trucks were not by or whatever was a great or something.

[4:55:30] the

[4:55:35] uh you got that Kubota last or this year and

[4:55:45] that's been a huge asset to the maintenance team yeah it was new and the

[4:55:54] sander that we just bought is brand new it was sitting on a floor model that somebody purchased and it

[4:55:59] came as a whole unit they didn't need the sander in it those the owners never getting rid of it it was

[4:56:04] sitting up at Rabbit Ears Village, so we're in the process of purchasing that.

[4:56:10] So is the draft budget we have printed out, have a 45,000 in equipment, is that where?

[4:56:15] It has 65,000 in equipment for a skid steer.

[4:56:21] But it's 71 right now, but six is the standard, we're going to pull that out.

[4:56:25] Right.

[4:56:27] And then we're going to increase the skid steer budget of new amount.

[4:56:33] We should be able to get a new one for 65, I think.

[4:56:36] used ones are in that 40, 45 to find one, yeah, if it goes majorly over that we'll obviously come back to you and let you know what that costed the

[4:56:52] I

[4:56:56] can't remember what the cost was okay.

[4:57:03] So that was the big thing in maintenance, we're also, we stuck $2,500 in there for upgrades

[4:57:11] and repairs to the irrigation system around this building and that is about it on that

[4:57:17] budget.

[4:57:18] Other increases are personnel, same as anybody else.

[4:57:24] Any questions?

[4:57:34] I assume that the maintenance people here probably don't use it as hard as road and bridge

[4:57:47] as nature of the work that they're doing here, right?

[4:57:50] So does it make sense to take one from road and bridge and put a new one in?

[4:57:54] Oh, I went down that road, except that I was told that probably the best one at road

[4:58:00] and bridge would still be in worst shape than probably this one is.

[4:58:03] So that's why we opted to go ahead and put a skid steer in the budget, because that's

[4:58:08] how it used to work in way back.

[4:58:10] We would shuffle skid steers around and EMS would get one out of Grand B and maintenance would

[4:58:15] get I think the fairgrounds one and then fairgrounds and cremling have been sharing one.

[4:58:20] So we've played the shuffle game.

[4:58:24] We're going to figure it out.

[4:58:25] Yeah.

[4:58:25] That's speaking of which do they, so the Frazier shop skid steer is that in the budget for next year?

[4:58:33] I think that one is in the budget probably for 26.

[4:58:37] Cremling is getting a skid steer for 25.

[4:58:40] That's the skid steer that's in the rodent bridge budget.

[4:58:45] I shall deal in mind to it once.

[4:58:47] Yes.

[4:58:49] Possibly.

[4:58:50] Potentially.

[4:58:50] Okay,

[4:58:54] commissioners, moving on to the County Manager budget, not a real increase in operating expenses other than in personnel with the addition of an additional position of an assistant County manager in that category.

[4:59:16] There's five FTEs in there, so there will be six FTEs in there.

[4:59:23] Also moving down to other costs,

[4:59:29] one computer under there, is that 2,500 questions in that budget.

[4:59:38] I'm sorry the 10,505 under professional fees tech is that optimize civic optimize to the

[4:59:48] website for form management so our by way of example are our contract routing forms that

[4:59:58] it becomes this.

[5:00:04] Formed function where, you know, a department had fills out, okay, here's the attached cost for this service. Please route it and it automatically goes to, you're going to help me. It has a workflow feature. But that workflow, I mean, specifically for that function is going to be a tremendous help for us. And it's not the full 10,000 in that budget, just $8,900.

[5:00:40] It's just right now in Civic Plus we have Form Center which houses all of our online forms.

[5:00:47] For accessibility purposes we're really working hard to phase out fillable PDS because

[5:00:53] PDS in general are not accessible so to meet that requirement and where optimize comes

[5:00:58] in is it will help with workflow so instead of that manual process of having to email forms

[5:01:05] around and staff track tracking them and seeing where they're at.

[5:01:08] It will automatically bump it from one person to the next throughout the process.

[5:01:13] There is also a component where it could help, for example, community development,

[5:01:17] even with forms that are external to the organization to also help manage that process for planning.

[5:01:29] I think that was good enough.

[5:01:31] No, thank you for saving me.

[5:01:33] Like I had some notes in here about it, too.

[5:01:37] questions.

[5:01:42] Like it's a lot more streamlined doing it that way.

[5:01:46] We'll find the help staff internally as well as our external community and then also, again, that accessibility component.

[5:01:57] Contract routing form. I keep referring to that. It's pretty wonky.

[5:02:02] Oh, in the future. I see that. I think Colorado Revised Statute. So it rests 23401.

[5:02:19] There's CRS dance for something else as well.

[5:02:23] Remember the little signs of the PI?

[5:02:30] Missionary questions.

[5:02:33] I don't think so.

[5:02:35] Anything else?

[5:02:43] Fairgrounds.

[5:02:46] Fairgrounds, we left the Fair Board support.

[5:02:48] The same is $20,000.

[5:02:49] That's what you had directed for 2024.

[5:02:52] So we left that number the same for $25.

[5:02:55] Again, that internet service that's coming in through the old Pepsi building that the

[5:03:00] corner's been paying for, we're splitting that out to those other departments so the

[5:03:04] fairgrounds is going to absorb their portion of that.

[5:03:07] We do have $10,000 in there for Arena rehab for the purchase of Arena sand.

[5:03:14] We've been using up the sandpile that Roden Bridge had in one of their gravel pits.

[5:03:19] We finished that all off this fall, so there is no more sand material available.

[5:03:24] So if we need to add sand to the fairgrounds arena or the beef arena over there,

[5:03:29] we would need to purchase additional material.

[5:03:31] And then as you heard from Brianna in the CSU extension hearing,

[5:03:36] we are requesting an additional fair coordinator position to help with a lot of different things

[5:03:43] to be that liaison person with the fairboard and the extension office

[5:03:47] this and the 4-H piece and try to help streamline some of that.

[5:03:53] There's a lot of additional hours that go in for fair as I'm sure you're aware and

[5:03:59] the overtime that the extension office is putting in and just the hours that our fair

[5:04:03] board members are putting in, it's a lot.

[5:04:06] It's a lot.

[5:04:07] So we are asking for a position, we've been working on a job description, we can certainly

[5:04:14] get that to you to take a look at.

[5:04:16] But it's kind of anything related to fair.

[5:04:21] So helping with the 4-H coordinator side of things, helping with the fair board side

[5:04:27] of things, what I would envision is this person would be that liaison with the fair board

[5:04:31] and doing all of that boots on the ground.

[5:04:34] Work for them and the fair board could then come more higher level to make decisions instead

[5:04:40] of being the ones down in the weeds on $10 award items or, you know, different things

[5:04:45] like that, help them with their bookkeeping, contract routing, all kinds of things.

[5:04:54] We had a part-time position back for our hundredth anniversary of the

[5:05:00] Councillor, on the fair board then. Phil, committee, but it was very beneficial. We've heard that.

[5:05:12] Off the county's under the fair's under it.

[5:05:17] Sorry, our hundredth anniversary is there in

[5:05:20] rodeo. 250 years ago. I know. And she was, no, one of you run on the board.

[5:05:31] I got

[5:05:32] it sorted. I got a big help. My friend. With that position, I think it's a smart thing to

[5:05:38] do. I see very exhausted people every year. That's a lot to help. Yeah. I'm good.

[5:05:48] But it's not

[5:05:48] That's not just during the fair, but it sounds like it's going to relieve Micah from some of her, is that right?

[5:05:58] Potentially, because that person would be responsible for going to the fair board meetings, which we have one tonight at 6.30 here in this room, for anybody who's interested.

[5:06:07] We have any more applications?

[5:06:10] Yeah.

[5:06:11] Two positions?

[5:06:13] We still have three positions open.

[5:06:17] I don't know. It disappeared. It's gone.

[5:06:19] Okay.

[5:06:22] I know. I don't know what happened. Where are we going now?

[5:06:29] Next would be flying heels. We're having a difficulty with one note.

[5:06:37] Is that portion of the training?

[5:06:42] Hey, it's back.

[5:06:45] Oh, we're up to flying heels. I don't see.

[5:06:48] So other items under fairgrounds, I'm just making sure we capture all these.

[5:06:53] We're on flying heels.

[5:06:56] You already talked about that split.

[5:06:58] Thanks about the split, the arena rehab, the internet.

[5:07:03] Fair board support stays the same.

[5:07:07] I think we're on to flying heels.

[5:07:09] Okay.

[5:07:10] equipment 5 grand.

[5:07:14] So in flying heels, the biggest thing that you'll see in there is we did budget $100

[5:07:23] ,000 per site improvements.

[5:07:24] That's for electrical work.

[5:07:26] So there was a grant from several years ago for a concession building that flying heels.

[5:07:31] We've not been able to build that building yet.

[5:07:35] We did have a community meeting back in the spring or at least spring.

[5:07:39] The first step in doing anything out there would be upgrading the electrical to the facility.

[5:07:45] So without doing that, it would be hard to put a building out there if we don't have the electrical to support it.

[5:07:52] Yeah, and that cost is roughly 35,000, so into a one quote.

[5:07:59] Correct.

[5:08:00] I'd like to collaborate.

[5:08:02] Total, it's 100,000 including wiring the building and there was another, apparently this

[5:08:10] electrician was asked to put new power to future RV sites, which we don't know anything

[5:08:17] about or have not had a conversation about.

[5:08:20] but the cost of a new 400 amp service refeeding the existing light poles and new power to vendor slots is approximately 35,000 and at that meeting, I think you were in attendance.

[5:08:40] One of the electricians said it would probably be around $100,000 of cost.

[5:08:49] but we're seeing 35 of that as being necessary in order to build that new.

[5:08:57] Sure, but why wouldn't we budget for the entire project because it's all going to need to be done.

[5:09:05] Wouldn't it be cheaper to get them all done while they're out there working on it?

[5:09:11] Yes,

[5:09:15] we could also, there could also be an option of what we were previously going to ask the commissioners if they were

[5:09:23] We're willing to try to get that $35,000 never done out of this year, but that would be a supplemental.

[5:09:36] Or like you just said, we could also just budget for it and try to do it all in one fell swoop.

[5:09:46] I'm actually very supportive of the idea of, say, a overbuilding now, and then you're good for 20 years.

[5:09:56] from an out and incrementally it just tends to make sense

[5:10:00] I'd like to do that. And you guys may not be completely aligned with me, but I'm okay with potential of future RV. I'd love the fair of the rodeo participants to have a wonderful experience and repeatedly come back to Grand County year after year. And man, you know what, if we put electricity there, that the audience members can come and charge your electric cars. That's another thing that could be wired. Not only not the whole thing, but the power there from MPE.

[5:10:34] I

[5:10:38] think if we're going to work on the facility, especially electrical hazards,

[5:10:48] whether

[5:10:54] we are

[5:10:59] RVs, but at least have that capability pension,

[5:11:06] that's a possibility.

[5:11:14] The other piece of this that I wanted to touch on is we have very little revenue shown

[5:11:20] there and putting out RFP

[5:11:31] if there's somebody. I asked to run cover

[5:11:46] the cost and the equipment

[5:11:47] and there's a lot that happens not

[5:11:55] be the exact time to answer that question but throw it out there.

[5:12:00] What the conversation and I think it's probably more of a policy question because per policy non-profits

[5:12:06] If it's don't pay policy,

[5:12:15] there he is about and

[5:12:23] the $225,000, I think that's what it was for building that is at the grant money, so that's just kind of been carried over and sits there until it gets used.

[5:12:37] I think so the bottom line for these guys is to up that money for the electric.

[5:12:44] It's in there now.

[5:12:46] It's in there at 100,000 right now as well as the 225 for

[5:12:50] concession.

[5:12:53] Because we were talking about taking it to 35, but I think we leave it in there.

[5:12:58] It's within the 100.

[5:13:00] Okay, leave it in there.

[5:13:03] Hey, what's next?

[5:13:05] Any other questions about flying heels?

[5:13:08] and I didn't mean to ignore your comment, Commissioner George, I was just taking it in and thinking.

[5:13:19] And we will continue those conversations.

[5:13:26] Because there's a fair amount of expense associated with this.

[5:13:31] It's a tremendous amount of.

[5:13:35] It does not include wear and tear on the road and bridge equipment,

[5:13:42] it occurs because it's used there, so.

[5:13:52] Where does that stuff show up that if there's wear and tear or repairs on road and bridge equipment is directly related to use at flying heels, where does that show up in the budget?

[5:14:05] that it does not, other than the costs of repairs are on the county side of this and we're making those, any of those repairs and, yeah, it's all absorbed by the county.

[5:14:21] But all that's in here is like $700 and $500 for a repair and maintenance of equipment and repair and maintenance vehicle.

[5:14:32] So not, it doesn't really reflect the true cost.

[5:14:37] So the actual cost in 23, that 17704, my guess is that's the water truck.

[5:14:48] And then we also had, I believe, a rear differential in there.

[5:14:55] 1303 this year under equipment is probably

[5:15:00] Probably the placement, teeth, and- I don't know if that's been changed on the brand new drug. I don't know that that's been taken. But we haven't been budgeting for it. That's what I'm saying. It shows as an expense. Minimals for it. So maybe we should add some money for a budget.

[5:15:32] Good point, but it's a relatively small dollar amount, and it's worth counting the allocation if it's okay with you both.

[5:15:40] Okay,

[5:15:44] moving on, let's move on.

[5:15:45] Grand County Mitchell Diction Reservoir Company,

[5:15:48] our annual assessment is remaining the same at 6700.

[5:15:54] Moving on to intern ships, we actually increased that amount a bit.

[5:16:06] Oops of having additional interns, and keeping that program turned on.

[5:16:11] We have had with regard to the quote unquote senior internship, that's just have one person still in that category?

[5:16:26] I believe we have three.

[5:16:30] In any case, this internship has been very beneficial even from high school to college students,

[5:16:41] to senior interns, beneficial to departments.

[5:16:49] I agree, and is it possible to make even more attractive with hourly wage currently?

[5:16:56] It varies, and I think we've been sort of looking at those on a case-by-case basis based on if it's a master student or

[5:17:08] versus someone with experience in this.

[5:17:12] So it's kind of been across the board,

[5:17:14] but at the same time, we have to be very cognizant

[5:17:19] of some of our existing jobs as well,

[5:17:23] and that is hourly rates.

[5:17:25] But it has been a little challenging,

[5:17:29] but we've done it case by case basis.

[5:17:31] I agree, we don't cannot surpass our full timers.

[5:17:36] I just kind of assume maybe these were considerably lower than, but if they're kind of there than they're there, that's as far as we can go.

[5:17:45] Thank you.

[5:17:46] Yeah, great program, I support that budget, just fine.

[5:17:51] We're good.

[5:17:52] My good.

[5:17:55] Judicial is fairly static, no big changes from 24 to 23 or from whatever year we're going into, 24 to 25.

[5:18:03] I think the big one is, you know, from, when you looked at judicial as well as county maintenance budget for years, we were carrying that replace the concrete curves, replace the concrete curves, Curtis was like, well, you're going to do it this year.

[5:18:23] Yes, please do it for that. We would like to do it this year.

[5:18:27] Have you noticed the concrete?

[5:18:30] How long does the orange come in?

[5:18:31] It's about there.

[5:18:33] I don't know how long it takes for that to cure.

[5:18:34] Okay.

[5:18:35] A couple of years.

[5:18:37] We're going to leave it there.

[5:18:37] You're around.

[5:18:39] We don't want to.

[5:18:39] Reminder.

[5:18:40] We don't want anyone damaging our new concrete.

[5:18:44] But very successful.

[5:18:48] They mud jacked this sidewalk out here.

[5:18:51] I don't know if you noticed.

[5:18:52] To get that thing raised up with the curb in it floats.

[5:18:56] So it's because it's a heated sidewalk, it moves up and down during the winter into summer.

[5:19:04] But they did munchack that, they replaced all the curb down here, didn't replace it with

[5:19:10] gutter, but it looks really, really good.

[5:19:14] And I think they're still not sure how much longer or how much more they have to repair, but

[5:19:19] it looks really good.

[5:19:20] So that's that $100,000 difference in repair and maintenance.

[5:19:29] We're site improvements.

[5:19:31] The repair maintenance building has decreased quite a bit, right?

[5:19:35] And that is-

[5:19:38] So that 143,000 that was in there for last year was the HVAC control upgrades for the judicial building.

[5:19:46] We actually started it in the fall of 23 paid-

[5:19:49] There's a separate line item for HVAC.

[5:19:52] Right, so that is for the annual service.

[5:19:56] Okay.

[5:19:56] So we pay them quarterly for the annual, for the...

[5:20:00] Their regular services that they provide as part of their contract, and then anything above and beyond that comes out of those other line items. All right. Thank you. So yeah, the 64,000 that was in 2023, and then the 100,000 that was in 24 is all part of that controls upgrade. 7,000 and building improvements next year.

[5:20:34] Force floor ceiling, trying to get those concrete floors resealed. I don't know if we found a vendor.

[5:20:40] just moving down the road, something that we used to carry in the budget and

[5:20:47] trying to anticipate in our capital budget, I believe we put that in a five year capital

[5:20:51] Curtis's carpet and that goes for carpet tiles in this building as well as that other building and they're expensive.

[5:21:09] So these costs in the future to replace carpet tiles in both buildings, I mean they're in the 30,000 plus range for

[5:21:19] each building. For years we've been, you know, like a one that's worn down and we'll replace

[5:21:28] it with one that's not, because this pattern, I don't know. It's discontinued.

[5:21:35] A few boxes and it's discontinued. You can't find a match, so about every week. Yeah.

[5:21:41] Oh, that's the scam.

[5:21:46] So, yes, by 10 years worth when you buy the first one.

[5:21:51] Those are going to be some pretty significant costs.

[5:21:55] And we have them in the five-year capital.

[5:21:58] We've just been delaying because the life is okay.

[5:22:03] Okay,

[5:22:06] and that's going to be like 65, 70 grand is what I'm thinking in both of them.

[5:22:12] I'm going to purchase enough material that we can do that and then have placement tiles

[5:22:17] for a number of years, so,

[5:22:23] okay,

[5:22:26] I'm filled.

[5:22:29] We have a pretty big project at the point I'm filled this year and

[5:22:36] installation of that

[5:22:43] to the CDPHE approval going in there.

[5:22:46] So that's the big repair and maintenance of site

[5:22:49] at 425,000 and then the other $135,000 worth of contracts,

[5:22:57] including SMA's normal contract plus additional contract

[5:23:02] for this particular project.

[5:23:05] What do I do?

[5:23:07] But Roden Bridge is also working on a grant.

[5:23:10] Oh, yes, sorry.

[5:23:11] That is, as you're aware, commissioners, that state grant revenue of $545,000

[5:23:21] will offset the line share of those costs for that project, which is tremendous news.

[5:23:27] So that's, that grant is for sure here, it's approved, we just, we have the money.

[5:23:32] I think there's still in the application phase.

[5:23:34] I'm still applying for it, but there has been, I think, several discussions until we're receiving that grant, yes.

[5:23:43] It's part of why the installation didn't happen this year.

[5:23:47] We were encouraged to hold off a year to get that grant revenue.

[5:23:51] Okay, you're confident that budgeting for this number and we're going to do that.

[5:23:56] You're optimistically confident.

[5:24:00] It's

[5:24:04] better than costlessly optimising.

[5:24:06] Right.

[5:24:08] All right, I just didn't want to budget a grant money in there that we haven't even really

[5:24:11] apply for yet.

[5:24:13] But.

[5:24:15] Okay.

[5:24:16] Little park fair and rodeo.

[5:24:18] Hey.

[5:24:25] Okay.

[5:24:26] Again, trying to budget these revenues and expenditures based on actuals from the past couple

[5:24:32] years.

[5:24:32] So we left revenues at $100,000 and expenses at 95,000, which is running fairly current with

[5:24:41] what's the actuals for 2024.

[5:24:43] any

[5:24:52] questions on fare.

[5:25:00] Hold on, hold on.

[5:25:06] The Kentucky Derby Party, we didn't spend close to the budget.

[5:25:13] And I don't know if they've decided yet exactly what they're going to do in 25 for that.

[5:25:24] No, and I don't know. Alina helps the fair board with getting their expenditures and stuff into QuickBooks. I'm assuming that that number is up to date. So yeah, it didn't make a ton of money, either. So you're good to leave it.

[5:25:40] I'm

[5:25:43] good to show an $18,000 drop between last year's budget and this coming year's or this year's budget and next year's budget on the middle park fair expenses.

[5:25:55] Yes,

[5:25:59] I'm good to leave it.

[5:26:09] And actually Curtis, my note showed that those were supposed to be $125 for revenue from

[5:26:19] our

[5:26:26] budget meetings.

[5:26:35] I think that's what we ended up doing on the fair board's budget.

[5:26:39] I

[5:26:49] know show that we had plugged in 125 for each, but I think usually we do 100 and we keep the expenses about 5 less than the revenue.

[5:27:06] Where we did 160.

[5:27:07] Which we did not have a fair board to create a budget this year so we plugged in numbers and then did their budget to match our numbers is the way that ended up working.

[5:27:20] What does the expenses need to be?

[5:27:21] I would

[5:27:27] put him at $120, so revenue at $125 total and then expenses at $120,

[5:27:42] yes.

[5:28:06] The demolition derby, there was some talk that that's going to get resurrected this year, but we didn't budget anything for it.

[5:28:13] Because it's the chamber, the crumbling chamber that's going to do it, it won't be the fair board that's putting it on.

[5:28:19] Okay, so that's good to be serious, that's it.

[5:28:21] But the chamber has been working on that.

[5:28:23] Okay,

[5:28:30] we're good on that one, Curtis?

[5:28:31] Yes, sir.

[5:28:32] Okay.

[5:28:33] That's good.

[5:28:35] We're good.

[5:28:36] Okay.

[5:28:37] Motorpool.

[5:28:38] Motorpool.

[5:28:39] We were budgeting for one vehicle.

[5:28:41] State bid currently is at $25,000 but as we learned in the purchasing process for this

[5:28:48] year, dealerships were only allotted so many state bid and once they've spent those, they

[5:28:53] don't have any more state bid vehicles.

[5:28:56] So we ended up spending more than state bid for the 24 vehicles.

[5:29:00] So we did budget 35,000, even though State Bid is currently 25 to give us some kind of a buffer because we just don't know what's going to happen over the next few months and whether they'll still have State Bid vehicles available to them.

[5:29:16] Are we on the list?

[5:29:19] Not yet.

[5:29:26] I

[5:29:28] guess that's the same question as on the list because you said there only a lot it's

[5:29:32] so many.

[5:29:33] Correct.

[5:29:34] And I would have to, Zach at Ribbon Bridge stays up better on when those windows are as

[5:29:40] well because then that was the other thing that we learned as they have those ordering

[5:29:43] windows.

[5:29:44] I don't know when the window to order these particular vehicles for 2025 would open.

[5:29:50] I believe last year it was early spring and we, but even at that they were gone in no time.

[5:30:00] The rich has a comment.

[5:30:08] So just last comment on this and we're moving one of the motorpool vehicles out, and we'll two of them. But one of the explorers will likely go to CSU extension. We did not plug in replacing that and may come back with you to request an additional vehicle on top of the one that is being requested here.

[5:30:33] So on that note, we probably need to stop here.

[5:30:38] and go with our scheduled agenda item because they are here ready to go and that

[5:30:45] would be the housing authority. Oh, Gina. Good afternoon.

[5:30:51] Gina, Darlan, Director of Grand County Housing Authority and I will let, I don't know if anybody else is coming up for a cliffhue, but I'm going to, if we, you guys don't mind, I'd like to do 19 C first cliffhue so they don't have to sit through the rest of my budgets, so I will move aside and let cliffhues come up and then they can

[5:31:07] and introduce themselves and start with Clifu.

[5:31:11] Okay.

[5:31:15] Are you okay with that?

[5:31:16] Unless you want to come?

[5:31:17] Sure.

[5:31:17] Okay.

[5:31:19] I'm Becca Norman, analyst with the finance team

[5:31:22] at Middle Park Health, and I'll walk through

[5:31:24] the Clifu budget.

[5:31:26] My

[5:31:29] name's Carrie Silke, and I'm the director of Clifu.

[5:31:37] All right.

[5:31:38] I'm in today.

[5:31:42] So I'll jump in with the revenues.

[5:31:44] We estimated what our anticipated contractual adjustments

[5:31:48] residents are for our Medicaid residents and then took into consideration our self-paid

[5:31:54] residents from kind of historical the past 12 months of data that we had.

[5:31:58] We also use that data to determine what our vacancy rate has been.

[5:32:03] Carrie shared this morning actually that our weightless keeps growing, which is great.

[5:32:06] So we're hoping that vacancy rate continues to improve, but it puts us at about 506,000

[5:32:15] the Medicaid net revenue in 517,000 in self-pay revenue.

[5:32:20] The total revenue includes the county support of 813,000,

[5:32:26] which the county helped provide that number based on potential deficits from the budget,

[5:32:32] putting total revenues at 1.8 million.

[5:32:35] This also includes a 3% increase on our room rates for

[5:32:41] our residents and cliff you as well to go into effect on January 1st.

[5:32:48] Expenses, we are seeing an increase in our overall personnel services.

[5:32:54] We struggled a little bit with staffing throughout the year, but that has been improving.

[5:32:58] We actually just filled two of the four vacant positions that we had in September, which is great.

[5:33:06] We also have continued to improve our benefits offerings throughout the years.

[5:33:11] There's a last year we implemented a housing stipend across all of middle park health which extends to click new employees as well.

[5:33:18] Which has been a really helpful tool for us, for recruitment and retention of our team.

[5:33:25] That don't mind the interruptions, is that housing stipend able to be distributed pre-tax or?

[5:33:34] No, unfortunately not.

[5:33:35] Yeah, we could figure that out, we could all be doing it.

[5:33:40] That would be great, we would like that as well.

[5:33:45] Jumping into marketing expenses, or total expenses, marketing, we kind of have pretty flat to what we've seen historically.

[5:33:53] Again, that's just promotion to fill up rooms and other promotions for

[5:33:58] Clefew to kind of get residents in, show what our services are.

[5:34:02] Recruitment fees can go in there as well for staffing.

[5:34:05] The management fee is calculated out as a percentage of net revenue per the contract.

[5:34:10] So that's based on the budgeted net revenue, I'm going to kind of skip around.

[5:34:15] I don't know that you want every single line item, but if I skip something that you do want, just let me know.

[5:34:22] One that I do want to call out is utilities.

[5:34:25] Sheena helped notify us and we had heard murmurings of this that the water bill is going to significantly increase in Kremlin.

[5:34:33] So we budgeted for about 150% increase over last year in the water bill.

[5:34:39] We also anticipate potential increases in gas and electric, just knowing other utilities are going up.

[5:34:45] So we tried to budget, hopefully generously, at a minimum realistically in those areas.

[5:34:52] the county helped provide data on our principle and

[5:35:00] interest expense and kind of jumping into the capital outlay section. We do have some minor equipment, so smaller items in addition to some capital items budgeted here. I know this is a big one. So we have a little bit for dietary minor equipment that includes like pots, pans, tablecloths, things like that. A few different cleaning supplies that are needed. The big dollar items is the boiler replacement for 125,000.

[5:35:29] new flooring for resident rooms at 27,600, window replacements at 44,000 and sidewalk repair.

[5:35:39] So those are the major capital items that we are proposing for 2025.

[5:35:46] And that's kind of all I have.

[5:35:48] I have a lot more detail.

[5:35:50] So let me know if anything stood out to you that you want additional information on.

[5:36:00] I'll just say that I appreciate that, you know, to go back in history, the previous

[5:36:07] operator really turned course on us unexpectedly and abruptly and I think you guys in my opinion

[5:36:15] were the only option to take over the running and Mr. Flake stepped up and residents stayed

[5:36:26] in there and it's been good and we've been through so much with China you know

[5:36:29] really managing it all, repairs, maintenance, moving, resettling, it's been a lot

[5:36:41] and you guys are very responsive and China has a lot of positive things about

[5:36:44] the operation that you guys are doing kind of wanted to say thanks. I don't have

[5:36:49] any questions I just wanted to kind of voice you know the the running of this

[5:36:54] so this is really top notch.

[5:36:55] We need to really figure out if possible,

[5:37:00] some ways to get more efficient.

[5:37:03] If you guys are able to come up with ideas,

[5:37:06] really welcome those by Noxina consistently.

[5:37:09] Ask you guys for that.

[5:37:10] So that's a surprise, I'm sure.

[5:37:12] So thank you very much, Jason, your team.

[5:37:15] And, you know, you guys are big medical operation

[5:37:19] countywide in this 18,000 square mile county.

[5:37:22] and she is the best, so thank you.

[5:37:28] Thank you.

[5:37:29] Yep, I agree.

[5:37:31] It's a well-run service for our residents

[5:37:34] that need this kind of service, so appreciate what you do.

[5:37:39] Christopher George, anything?

[5:37:41] The only other comment that I would make is it appears

[5:37:44] that it's very difficult for smaller assisted living centers

[5:37:50] to survive a

[5:37:54] couple of closures in the mountain areas

[5:37:56] is in the last year, and it's a difficult business to try to maintain.

[5:38:04] Thank you for your work, right?

[5:38:09] How's that?

[5:38:10] No, thank you for all your support.

[5:38:12] Thank you guys for coming.

[5:38:24] No, it's just me.

[5:38:27] So I guess just me, just a little on me.

[5:38:31] So if it's okay, we'll go back to 19a to my housing authority administrative budget.

[5:38:38] We will run through there.

[5:38:42] Got it.

[5:38:43] Okay.

[5:38:44] I was looking for somebody coming in behind me.

[5:38:46] All right.

[5:38:47] So this budget stayed pretty flat from last year.

[5:38:50] Obviously with some increases in personnel.

[5:38:54] And then, of course, the cliff you support runs through the budget,

[5:38:58] or through my administrative budget as well.

[5:39:00] So there was an increase to that from last year.

[5:39:03] The other little increases that you'll see throughout this is,

[5:39:06] As you know, we did budget for the senior meal in the donation program this year, kind of based off of the numbers that we have from 2024.

[5:39:16] And then, you know, just the little increases in personnel as well as some training increased amounts.

[5:39:24] Other than that, it stayed pretty flat from last year.

[5:39:28] The only thing that I think I do need to have adjusted is I think underneath the property management fee for

[5:39:36] Silver Spruce.

[5:39:37] I think somehow that number is a carryover from grandlivings that number needs to be adjusted

[5:39:40] down.

[5:39:42] That $25,056, I think that needs to be $12,720.

[5:39:52] There's also a couple of little increases in expenditures that I had budgeted for just

[5:39:56] based on some things that we are now passing.

[5:40:00] So along to the housing authority that we previously had not. So some building maintenance for the office that I have over where my administrative office is. There's some things that we kind of put in there in case, you know, the heater goes out or the boiler goes out, the counties don't pass in some of those expenses on to the housing authority. So those are in there as well, under some capital items.

[5:40:20] Do you guys have any questions on my admin budget?

[5:40:26] I think so.

[5:40:27] I don't need that number again, Alina.

[5:40:31] Management fee?

[5:40:32] Yeah, so I-

[5:40:33] 720.

[5:40:33] Yes, please.

[5:40:34] Okay.

[5:40:35] I just think that somehow grandlivings ended up in there twice instead of Silver Spurs.

[5:40:39] 12, 720.

[5:40:41] Yes.

[5:40:41] Yes, please.

[5:40:42] I have one good question for you, if I could.

[5:40:44] Okay.

[5:40:45] I agree with this budget.

[5:40:46] This is my own kind of elected conceptualize, um, expect, think about cliff view.

[5:40:55] The one-sixteen under MOU with Grand County on the revenue side, I'm characterizing

[5:41:01] that and I welcome your correction, I characterise that as the funding from the General

[5:41:06] Fund 2,000 authority for everything besides Cliffview.

[5:41:10] Yeah, the MOU for direct administrative costs for the high-end.

[5:41:13] Yeah, which we need to do and I'm all for it just to look at what it is.

[5:41:17] Yeah, so it's the original $60,000 MOU that we previously always had with you guys.

[5:41:23] It used to be more than that, and then we decreased it.

[5:41:26] And then it's also about 56,000 for that additional employee that you guys allowed me to have last year.

[5:41:32] That's all included in the 1-16.

[5:41:34] That's what makes up the 1-16.

[5:41:36] I'm going to move it with it, just thank you.

[5:41:38] You're welcome.

[5:41:38] All right, anything else on that one?

[5:41:43] I think we go to the room quick, but I just had a conversation with our health group about.

[5:41:53] the conversation with Megan was some of those big capital costs, possibly write some

[5:42:03] grants, offset some of those large capital items.

[5:42:08] We'll definitely be looking at that for next year.

[5:42:11] And then I also, hopefully we can offset a little bit of that cost.

[5:42:16] That's a pretty big number.

[5:42:17] And then I also have, they did respond to an email regarding the benefits and

[5:42:26] what all that's made up to, so I'll pass that email along to you guys as well.

[5:42:29] Just so you can kind of know how they were billing for the stock pays and

[5:42:33] the insurance and everything.

[5:42:34] So they explained that out for me.

[5:42:37] Okay, so now if we could please move to 19p, my black bear apartments budget.

[5:42:44] So I based the revenues off of this kind of based on all 10 units being full at like the 50% AMI rates.

[5:42:53] So kind of a lower in revenues just to be safe, I guess.

[5:43:00] And then the expenditures for this is predominantly just personnel, there's obviously some maintenance and stuff like that.

[5:43:08] But one thing that I would like to point out is the professional services.

[5:43:12] We have that budgeted for $18,540, and I was able to talk to, so this is for still water.

[5:43:19] They come in and they do our well inspection and that kind of thing.

[5:43:24] And he had previously been over that just barely over the $10,000 contract mark.

[5:43:29] So then he was having to provide that one point, I don't know whatever it is, insurance.

[5:43:35] And so now he agreed to drop that down to where we're under that mark, so he's going to carry the $1 million insurance, and then we don't have to pay the other $8,000 for insurance for his additional policy.

[5:43:47] So if we could adjust that down to $9,984, and then that saves me $8,556.

[5:44:08] $9,984.

[5:44:09] We're talking about Jack.

[5:44:12] Okay.

[5:44:15] National Services.

[5:44:15] Yes, that's professional services.

[5:44:18] So I mean, you know, that $16 saved me about $8,000, so that was very nice.

[5:44:26] Yes.

[5:44:27] I do too.

[5:44:28] That was very nice.

[5:44:30] So that helps on the expenditure side of things.

[5:44:33] Other than that, we just have obviously insurance, painting, maintenance stuff, trash, utilities.

[5:44:40] please.

[5:44:42] Your water and sand?

[5:44:44] Yes.

[5:44:45] Ups by $10,000.

[5:44:48] Yeah, we didn't really understand, like, because it was our first year, I didn't know

[5:44:51] how to budget it for it last year.

[5:44:53] I didn't realize that it was not as expensive as I thought, and you pay it quarterly, so we

[5:44:59] adjusted that down.

[5:45:00] There was a 4,400 quarters. That's three quarters. There'll be one more bill. Probably ought to be a little bit higher than the 5,600. I think it's about $1,300 per quarter. Okay, so be close. Yeah. And that's sewer. Yeah, there's no water. If you have the well and you have the well inspection. And I have the well problems. Yeah. So you guys have any questions about black bears?

[5:45:29] pretty.

[5:45:33] We continue to work toward being self-sustaining on all of these. Yes, absolutely that's

[5:45:40] always the goal and we will. Like you said you budgeted it at at the 50% AMI rate and who

[5:45:48] knows where we're going to be. Right and we do currently already have quite a few tenets in

[5:45:52] there that are over that. I just wanted to be conservative on the revenue side just to kind of make

[5:45:57] make sure that I'm coming in where I need to be.

[5:46:02] I'm just concerned about the revenue you're showing.

[5:46:06] Pretty realistic because what you're actually collecting this year.

[5:46:13] Yeah, I think it is going to balance out.

[5:46:16] I do think it will be a good reflection of 2025.

[5:46:19] I really do.

[5:46:20] We're adding another two units that will be online at the end of the year.

[5:46:24] We did have some moveouts that are now filling.

[5:46:26] So, I think, once we get in there, I think it will stabilize.

[5:46:31] You have some that are resigning for your lease, so that's good.

[5:46:40] 51.

[5:46:41] Last.

[5:46:43] 21st.

[5:46:44] Edel.

[5:46:45] We didn't get fully leased, though, right out the gate, either.

[5:46:50] 2024.

[5:46:52] Could we ask you, ma'am, when you were briefed over that,

[5:46:55] I appreciate, you know, the question.

[5:46:58] And a bit conservative, I assume that what you meant was that if it were as 100% occupied

[5:47:03] to be a different number than 119, a little slightly higher maybe?

[5:47:06] No, so this would be, this obviously would be 100% occupied at like 50% AMI.

[5:47:13] I do have some people in there that are like 70, 90, so I budgeted it all across the board

[5:47:18] at 50%.

[5:47:19] So hopefully we get more.

[5:47:21] Hopefully we get more.

[5:47:23] Hopefully we get more.

[5:47:24] Hopefully we get more.

[5:47:25] Hopefully we get more.

[5:47:28] I think we'll get to leave it.

[5:47:31] If it comes in low, it's well right now.

[5:47:35] What are we taking in per month?

[5:47:38] Well, we have, I'm not sure of the top of my head, sorry.

[5:47:46] We're taking in close to $10,000 a month.

[5:47:49] I do have three vacancies right now.

[5:47:51] It will be filled the beginning of November.

[5:47:56] Eight?

[5:48:00] I think with the three vacancies we're bringing in 7,000, so if I fill the other three, it should be bringing in around 11,000.

[5:48:10] Roughly.

[5:48:14] I'm fairly confident in the number.

[5:48:18] Optimistically confident.

[5:48:20] Okay.

[5:48:22] If we do enough short, we'll know why.

[5:48:25] Yeah.

[5:48:26] But it's okay.

[5:48:26] Like kind of estimate and it's a matter of a little green for experience.

[5:48:31] We're going to go with a good with that question.

[5:48:35] Okay, so moving on to 19D, my grant living property.

[5:48:42] This one's kind of still up in the air because I'm still waiting on USDA to approve my budget.

[5:48:47] I was hoping if I got it done early, they would throw me a bone and give me some early approvals.

[5:48:53] But I am going to ask for a $73 rent increase on this property per unit per unit.

[5:48:58] and it will again not necessarily affect the tenants,

[5:49:00] it'll be mostly just in the rental subsidies that'll come in.

[5:49:04] So these numbers are incorporating the numbers

[5:49:06] that I did cement to USDA with hopes

[5:49:08] that they're gonna approve these budgets.

[5:49:13] But again, pretty flat across the board, it's from last year.

[5:49:17] There is increases to personnel from last year.

[5:49:21] And then we do have, we did move some items around

[5:49:24] what they've fit into the line items better, but there's really, there is small increases

[5:49:33] in utilities, just based off of kind of what we're expecting those to do in 2025, and

[5:49:43] everything is pretty close to what it was last year.

[5:49:50] I know my contracted labor will go

[5:49:53] down a little bit.

[5:49:54] Rest that one out to the bottom.

[5:50:06] All right, they're contracted. So that'll go down a little bit because we do have that full-time maintenance person. That should be budgeted $10,000. We're just not needing the contracted person as much because we have full-time staff member that split between the other properties. So decrease their cooperation 100% staff currently. Yes. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's amazing.

[5:50:35] And even my administrative assistant position that you guys approved last year has been huge

[5:50:41] for me.

[5:50:42] So I greatly appreciate that.

[5:50:43] Not just for feeding the seniors in that meal program, but for me it's been huge.

[5:50:48] So I appreciate it.

[5:50:52] Do we have any questions on grandliving?

[5:50:57] I do anticipate some of these numbers to change just a little bit.

[5:51:01] It is showing obviously a deficit and that's really just appreciation.

[5:51:06] and USDA world we don't budget for depreciation, but we do in our world, so that's why that's in there.

[5:51:13] But the budget that I submitted to USDA doesn't show that deficit.

[5:51:22] Both

[5:51:25] of the bottom lines on the grand living and silver spruce are pretty close.

[5:51:30] Do

[5:51:34] I get the number of, not, there's vacancies right now, but the capacity for each one,

[5:51:40] Silver Spruce is a capacity of, assuming one person per unit?

[5:51:44] Well, actually, we do have a unit with two people in there, we have a couple in two, and

[5:51:49] then the next, we have one vacant unit right now that they'll be moving in in two weeks, and

[5:51:53] that'll be a couple.

[5:51:54] So they'll be 24 at Silver Spruce, and then there are 25 at Grand Living,

[5:52:03] because we do have a couple over there as well.

[5:52:10] Anything with grand living?

[5:52:15] There's currently five in the units at Blackburn, because I have the three that are vacant.

[5:52:21] Some more things for fellow commissioners and teammates here to think about it.

[5:52:25] I would just describe the accommodation that Silver Spruce and Grand Living has at

[5:52:33] approximately $1,000 of cost per occupant.

[5:52:38] And for a year, for a year, it's the whole year.

[5:52:41] It's kind of, to me, very much worth it.

[5:52:44] And the best in that if you take it.

[5:52:48] Yes sir, yes sir.

[5:52:51] Well, and the nice thing about us managing those two properties is we do collect management

[5:52:56] fees from those properties that then help my administrative budget do.

[5:53:04] Yeah, they do.

[5:53:05] No, we don't transfer money into those two properties that are out of admin or the county general fund.

[5:53:14] So 19E is my Silver Spruce Apartments budget, kind of the same as grant living, pretty stagnant.

[5:53:23] There will be an increase, a run-in increase, we kind of gas on that every year because it takes effect of September of 2025.

[5:53:33] 25, and we don't ever know what that's going to be until Chaffo gives it to us.

[5:53:36] So, we kind of just estimate this out based on what we're currently receiving.

[5:53:41] But the only really increases here is for personnel, for merit and that kind of thing.

[5:53:47] Other than that, we do have, I did increase the insurance because we've seen a substantial

[5:53:54] increase in our insurance last year, and we did have a roof claim, so that's what did

[5:53:58] it.

[5:53:59] But we did have to fix that roof.

[5:54:00] So it happens other than that there's a large increase in the water, I guess that we were told by

[5:54:10] curling town staff that it would at least double next year the water is going to. So we did

[5:54:16] budget for that.

[5:54:19] We'll

[5:54:25] increase this to training.

[5:54:30] Again, it's showing a deficit but it's because we

[5:54:33] just don't budget for depreciation in the odds world.

[5:54:40] Go through budget.

[5:54:41] That's OK.

[5:54:42] Did the town, has the town done like an updated SFV analysis

[5:54:49] on any cliff view or silver spruce?

[5:54:54] I don't think that ever is.

[5:54:55] Kind of like be careful what you wish for.

[5:54:57] Right.

[5:55:04] How many tasks they should be assessed for that building, family equivalents, number of taps that should be assessed. If we're out of the right amount of taps, what our quarterly service rate should be.

[5:55:27] But it's like a be careful what you wish for. I

[5:55:35] don't feel that way on some respects, mostly under what we.

[5:55:40] So, anyway, let's

[5:55:46] just hope that the town manager had indicated that they should have

[5:55:52] those numbers more dialed in towards the end of October and let's hope that they just

[5:55:57] come in quite a bit less because they're estimating more than they're anticipating actually

[5:56:03] doing.

[5:56:06] Part of this big,

[5:56:22] really, it's over-sources is fair, just pin that out there.

[5:56:25] I don't know about, I don't know what the taps in the single family issue is on cliff.

[5:56:30] You would have to look into that, but I think, I think Silver Spurs is fair.

[5:56:41] Any other questions for me for Silver Spurs?

[5:56:46] It's pretty close to last year.

[5:56:48] I think we're good.

[5:56:58] You're good?

[5:56:59] I think we're good.

[5:57:00] Okay.

[5:57:02] The other two is our payroll and just the summary.

[5:57:08] As you know, the payroll is just kind of the, the county pays all of our housing authority FTEs and the housing authority reverses the county.

[5:57:19] So this is just depicative of our payroll in and out, kind of all these budgets for the FTEs summarized into one nice little sheet.

[5:57:33] I did budget for Samarit raises from some staff members and things, but in the COLA, just based off of years of service.

[5:57:42] and the way, you know, their ability to do their job

[5:57:46] efficiently,

[5:57:55] anything on payroll?

[5:57:57] Do you have any questions?

[5:57:58] I think we're good.

[5:58:07] All I have, unless you guys have questions for me.

[5:58:11] I do not.

[5:58:13] I think we're good.

[5:58:14] I think we asked the questions along the way,

[5:58:16] and I think we...

[5:58:18] Hey, I will.

[5:58:20] Well, meet your revenue in black bear.

[5:58:22] You're going to be on a bunch of basic issues.

[5:58:24] I'm going to challenge accepted.

[5:58:33] Okay.

[5:58:34] And I will continue to seek options for a cliffhield as always.

[5:58:41] Yeah.

[5:58:47] Okay.

[5:58:48] Thank you guys.

[5:58:50] Yeah.

[5:58:50] Thank you, Shina.

[5:58:53] Okay.

[5:58:53] Now I think we're back for you to finish up.

[5:58:57] Off to off at Motopool.

[5:58:59] So, just think with that vehicle, it will be transferring to extension and we could probably do that at any time.

[5:59:09] Which vehicle is that?

[5:59:11] It'll be one of the explorers.

[5:59:14] What are you replacing it with?

[5:59:18] I would like to look at something maybe a little larger than what we've been getting is an equinox or

[5:59:28] or for escape is what we've been getting in that category but the other

[5:59:36] explorers like a 2013 will have one remaining talked about with writing a

[5:59:49] grant here next year,

[5:59:54] but I

[5:59:58] can make some more of that.

[6:00:00] We were going to try to do one or two vehicles a year to that keep the motor pool a replacement. It's sort of like your question on rodent bridging with skid steers. Then we'll take a motor pool vehicle with some lower mileage, transfer to a department, kind of, you know, possible having to buy new.

[6:00:35] Both of those explorers are pretty low miles for 2013.

[6:00:41] That's why that's why.

[6:00:42] That's all we thought with CSU Extension.

[6:00:45] Getting a new vehicle right now probably

[6:00:51] utilize a lot more than going.

[6:01:03] So the question would be to add a second vehicle

[6:01:07] and a second vehicle being a revised vehicle, right?

[6:01:20] But as we also moved the suburban to IT

[6:01:23] because they transfer computer equipment

[6:01:26] and need that bigger size vehicle that they can get racks

[6:01:30] and different things and so now we don't have that bigger size if needed for we

[6:01:48] would be we

[6:01:49] would be adding instead of waiting until next year to replace that vehicle into motor

[6:02:00] following

[6:02:01] year and 26 adding that to the budget make

[6:02:08] a change yeah no we're not going to do that yet

[6:02:13] And there's 35,000 in there right now, right?

[6:02:16] And we would add to that the cost of a new size of an explorer.

[6:02:24] I add to you look at what those can put a plug in for now and how much do you think?

[6:02:34] I don't like that.

[6:02:37] 42,175.

[6:02:38] I was going to guess 45.

[6:02:40] I think that's going to be accurate.

[6:02:43] 45,000.

[6:02:44] Yes, sir. Don't have to outfit it for another 25, right?

[6:02:50] But we could. Kind of nice.

[6:02:54] It's not good if it might. Yeah.

[6:02:57] Doesn't need the yellow bleak. Did you hear the comment from the wife of sirens and lights

[6:03:05] and the president of sirens and lights?

[6:03:15] So, we're going to add 45 to the motor pool budget.

[6:03:20] That becomes 80.

[6:03:28] But I think the commissioners, I mean, we just appreciate the ability to keep, you know, doing onesies, twosies, and replacing this fleet over a number of years.

[6:03:39] So, we don't wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[6:03:42] Yeah, but we'd be happy to have enterprise come and talk.

[6:03:47] I don't think we do enough volume for them and we have like you say,

[6:03:52] what are those ones that are

[6:03:56] teens? Explorers are 13.

[6:04:00] It's the volume and it's the fact that our vehicles are very low mileage.

[6:04:03] So numbers wise, what they would charge annually.

[6:04:07] It just doesn't wash out.

[6:04:10] Have you talked to me and if you're on?

[6:04:12] they still call. Don't worry. There's another one too that is now calling.

[6:04:19] Now, but he'll

[6:04:22] be coming by one of these days. I'll try to make sure you're here far

[6:04:30] for all this trouble.

[6:04:32] And then I know I'm going backwards here. Backwards to what tab? Backwards to 4E. 4E?

[6:04:45] We're taking a time out from the manager's budget for a second.

[6:04:52] Is that allowed?

[6:04:53] Curtis on that.

[6:04:55] on 4-E under road bridge capital under buildings.

[6:05:01] There's a $3.2 million number there. I need

[6:05:09] to go back and I believe three of that is represents half of a road bridge shop at either partial or crumbling, correct?

[6:05:25] And that was last year when we had an estimated cost of around $6 million.

[6:05:32] dollars for what we believed was the square footage.

[6:05:38] So our architects, GSG, I had Jeff go back and call them to come because we, that estimated

[6:05:52] square footage of 15,900 square feet.

[6:05:56] They are working on a project that is very similar to that and just ballpark numbers.

[6:06:06] They're estimating that those now going from 6 to 8.4 million.

[6:06:13] So I'm thinking that our 3.5 million needs to go to at least 4.

[6:06:20] or we'll

[6:06:24] just change one number and make it 4-2.

[6:06:27] I didn't know if there was another 200, but yes, Commissioner, 4-2.

[6:06:34] What's in there is $3 million for the building, half the building, and then $200,000 for windows.

[6:06:43] Okay, so we should take that to,

[6:06:54] that's still maybe a little bit short.

[6:06:55] Yeah, we were using $9,600 square feet at $625 a square foot for it 15,900 square feet at a price tag of 8.4 for

[6:07:29] four.

[6:07:30] Yeah.

[6:07:37] Okay, thank you.

[6:07:40] Okay, going back to by

[6:07:47] the way, let's just add.

[6:07:49] By the way, let's just add some money area. Good job. It's what I'm saying.

[6:07:54] This was at 1.24 and I have been waiting this long, okay,

[6:08:03] cost go up.

[6:08:08] Okay,

[6:08:12] now an administration, my favorite budget of all the budgets, what number's that?

[6:08:19] E-T-M.

[6:08:22] E-T-M.

[6:08:23] E-T-M.

[6:08:24] E-T-M.

[6:08:26] E-T-M.

[6:08:27] E-T-M.

[6:08:31] E-T-M.

[6:08:33] E-T-M.

[6:08:37] morning. PNA budget is where we capture wages and vacancy and just looking at some of

[6:08:48] those numbers. We had 22 vacancies at this point. Rejection as we move the needle and continue

[6:08:59] you to fill positions, we would be budgeting for less of a wage vacancy there.

[6:09:09] That represents the sub-of-50 that there's a lot of scientific data that goes into this

[6:09:21] actually it wasn't, it was, we had a very detailed discussion on it and then Alina drew a straw, now I'm kidding.

[6:09:34] You know, we looked at about 20% turnover each year,

[6:09:42] much time it takes to find replacement in the best possible situation.

[6:09:47] and two weeks notice and then advertise for a couple of weeks and you're

[6:09:54] to be able to find somebody you hire them, they say, okay.

[6:10:00] I want to give another two weeks to my employer. So it's a couple of months where that mission is probably vacant, 20

[6:10:10] % of our employees turning over, so I'm up with a

[6:10:20] full-time equivalence. I mean, how much they tried to put an average salary on that.

[6:10:33] Just the interim process of when somebody leaves, the new guy is worth 8 FTEs.

[6:10:40] I believe so, yeah, if we had all positions filled just on an annual basis, yes, absolutely.

[6:10:50] Our

[6:10:55] budget's 100%, 100% always full.

[6:11:00] Always full, except for this part of it.

[6:11:03] This is where we try to make an adjustment.

[6:11:11] So on that note, and I think I know the answer to this question.

[6:11:14] but a couple of three years ago, when we were so far under staffed, we had a bunch of incentives and

[6:11:22] pearls and all these kind of things, but none of those are in effect now, right, because we had a

[6:11:28] threshold where those would apply and where they wouldn't apply.

[6:11:30] No, we have kept them in place still, pursuant to your direction commissioners.

[6:11:37] That rid of those thresholds, and so the PNA budget does reflect these

[6:11:46] hiring incentives and we still have that turned on as part of our competitive package

[6:11:53] to attract and retain employees which is the $2,500 hiring incentive and then in two years

[6:12:01] the additional, or the additional $2,500 for a total of five.

[6:12:07] So there was a referral one also, is that one still turned on?

[6:12:10] Yes, so.

[6:12:11] And that's all there is.

[6:12:11] Because I remember at first we had a threshold, a 20% of vacancy or something.

[6:12:14] And we took that off.

[6:12:16] We came back to you with recommendations and-

[6:12:21] There's no threshold now, it's all in the course.

[6:12:24] Correct.

[6:12:26] And that's still, I think, being competitive

[6:12:29] with all the other employers-

[6:12:33] I think I'm sure C job, of course,

[6:12:34] that does hiring bonuses.

[6:12:39] And these incentives, I think, have been working.

[6:12:47] The other, those other line items there are

[6:12:52] So hiring incentives

[6:12:54] We talked about the wage vacancy

[6:12:58] Severance

[6:12:59] on folks retiring

[6:13:02] Self-acation and there's the referral fees that you're speaking toward. Yeah,

[6:13:11] remember we are

[6:13:13] 18M PNA

[6:13:20] Okay, so what else on that one or any other adjustments that need to take place on this?

[6:13:26] I mean, there's a lot of more overall employee based costs that is captured in PNA as well as a lot of utility costs that are across all departments.

[6:13:41] It's

[6:13:45] important to note that we're recommending, we reduce that by

[6:13:51] half.

[6:13:52] 0.5 down to 750.

[6:13:56] Thank you, there's going to be, our departments seem to be finding employees and filling up with staff and we're having closer to that.

[6:14:14] I stepped out for a bit, so forgive me if this is already covered but it's kind of a bit weird that no actual is ever manifest on that vacancy.

[6:14:22] Did you already say why I apologize if you did yeah, when they first started that I tried to do it in our auditors didn't like that

[6:14:31] Capture all that I mean you're not spending money. So the each department has a savings that

[6:14:36] manifested in actual

[6:14:38] But here it doesn't right then. This is what

[6:14:44] County team puts out

[6:14:46] Well, once a month to track it.

[6:14:50] It's fine.

[6:14:51] It's fine to know those are zeroes.

[6:14:53] I'm sure they're captured elsewhere and this we have to put it, though, when it comes

[6:14:56] to making a budget.

[6:14:57] It's just a check.

[6:14:58] We didn't have to.

[6:14:58] Right.

[6:14:59] Right.

[6:15:00] Right. It's good. County Department says, I have four people, but if somebody's vacant, I'm not feeling that part of my budget.

[6:15:14] So you're suggesting we're changing now by half? I support doing, I'm laying five because down to 750. I support doing that.

[6:15:29] So eight FTE, what would that be in terms of? Yeah,

[6:15:37] that's it. I think in our average cell, there's about 75,000.

[6:15:44] 175,000

[6:15:52] FTEs, 75, with benefits would be about 800.

[6:16:02] I wanted to be a little conservative, so I suggested.

[6:16:07] There are real-of-theum in your department uses for,

[6:16:12] I say people that benefits cost roughly $30,000 per employee.

[6:16:17] Now, if you're lower wage or higher wage, it changes because of the retirement.

[6:16:20] Is there a real-theum in your use for your per employee?

[6:16:23] Yeah, for taxes and benefits 1.4.

[6:16:28] four. Oh, of the total. But our personnel cost would be pages.

[6:16:38] The 100K make math easy. It's 40K of benefits. Right. A large part of that would be healthcare.

[6:16:48] Although it was little. Exes and pump.

[6:16:59] They come out to about 40%.

[6:17:13] We jumped from Motorpool and we added another vehicle in Motorpool as a place holder because

[6:17:21] we're moving a explorer from Motorpool to CSU extension.

[6:17:27] And so we are adding another vehicle in Motorpool to replace that.

[6:17:31] But in addition, we have an update on the road and bridge shop cost, either crumbling

[6:17:43] or partial.

[6:17:44] They're really the same size buildings per se, and the architects are at 15,900 square

[6:17:59] feet on that building, you know, the majority of that is Bay space for equipment, but the

[6:18:05] cost on that based on another similar project that our architects are working on, they're

[6:18:12] now estimating that to be $8.4 million and not $6 million, so the 50% of that cost that

[6:18:23] we would anticipate next year that's in the road bridge budget, we went back and made a

[6:18:28] changed in 4.4 million, and they're in sort of

[6:18:35] that cost went up from yes,

[6:18:43] the

[6:18:46] two-rogan bridge

[6:18:47] shop for each one. I know they're different buildings, but the cost of one EMS versus one

[6:18:57] road of bridge, I don't think they were quite that different. I'm surprised how low it is. That's

[6:19:00] good news. I do have a request as we decide this. This will be you guys to decide. But looking

[6:19:07] Looking at the public works building that winter park bill, which I know is right next

[6:19:11] resort.

[6:19:12] But I don't think it hurts to make the building somewhat aesthetically pleasing.

[6:19:16] It doesn't have to be Gucci, but a tin only kind of, you know, I make it, consider making

[6:19:22] it something that's somewhat professional looking, or not, you guys decide that.

[6:19:30] Isn't it pretty as nice as that one, but I thought you guys will design it, good, good.

[6:19:36] way.

[6:19:40] There's both of you visible. Big yellow iron on the side of it or something.

[6:19:46] The

[6:19:46] mural on the side of it. Like like a crater or a crater pushing a big mound of dirt or

[6:19:52] something. Those are greater blocking the bulldozer. There you go. Then

[6:20:00] I'm sorry. Just make it look nice. Make it look a little bit nice. I mean, public season, especially if they're visible from 4D. Well, I guess it's not now the future won't be, but the fairgrounds one will be.

[6:20:12] Patients, yeah, either in either scenario. Yes, we want these to be active metal.

[6:20:21] No, but there's a lot of features that from an architectural standpoint that you can add to break up the building, the wraparound Wayne Scott at the bottom,

[6:20:30] Different color coordinate. I mean, there's going

[6:20:36] to make this one look these look

[6:20:39] Well, thank you

[6:20:41] Okay

[6:20:43] So those were the two additions that

[6:20:50] Okay

[6:20:52] Next so commissioners, are there any other questions on the PNA budget?

[6:21:10] Hey

[6:21:11] Our series of budgets that we've

[6:21:18] got this was that's favorite.

[6:21:23] Well, time every night. I thought this was your favorite

[6:21:29] Okay,

[6:21:34] first one is the affordable housing, we have a budget there, but we don't have a budget, there's $35,000 in fund balance for

[6:21:45] housing.

[6:21:49] Okay, and again, we don't have a tab for that, right?

[6:21:52] Those were voluntary contributions as part of a development that we asked the developer to contribute toward affordable housing.

[6:22:03] In some situations you ended up with a Coyote Creek example, you guys are well versed in.

[6:22:10] Others, someone just said fine, I'm going to write a check.

[6:22:14] And so that cash has been sitting in this phone.

[6:22:18] We haven't had a budget

[6:22:27] housing fund for some purpose.

[6:22:32] We've got to put up for it and money.

[6:22:35] It's kind of like the discussion about the water quality fund, do you apply that to one

[6:22:41] of housing authorities projects to you?

[6:22:48] So this fund is-

[6:22:56] No, we roll that fund, it's more like committed, all right, committed, and highly advisable,

[6:23:06] not for affordable housing.

[6:23:09] Right,

[6:23:11] but it's not, it's, it's not commingled, not commingled with housing authority.

[6:23:18] Right.

[6:23:20] County,

[6:23:23] but it would be under the Board of County Commissioners rather than housing authority

[6:23:31] board.

[6:23:32] Yes, sir.

[6:23:33] I believe some of these funds for voluntary paid well before the county took the housing authority back, back under its wing, percent.

[6:23:51] And is this the fund into which from Coyote Creek would go, they go straight to the housing authority?

[6:24:06] I think that's because that's how written in the.

[6:24:09] All those deed restrictions are written, absolutely.

[6:24:13] Properties have certain restrictions so.

[6:24:19] Sounds like something that we could use a

[6:24:24] variety of ways, doesn't it?

[6:24:26] Yes.

[6:24:37] I just throw that out there to think about.

[6:24:39] How much is in there?

[6:24:40] 30.

[6:24:43] $4,950.

[6:24:43] $8,000.

[6:24:47] I was in.

[6:24:50] Fund.

[6:24:50] Number two.

[6:24:51] Six.

[6:24:54] Find them.

[6:24:55] Move it over.

[6:24:57] Six, one.

[6:24:58] Half doesn't.

[6:24:58] The other.

[6:24:58] there.

[6:25:00] We need to put one said one, 12, one said one, 16, but that's about the amount we're kind of subsidizing the housing authority. Minus cliff you. So this 34 is not going to really change much. Is there to just keep it a rapid recommendation or preference from your side that we leave it alone for ease and convenience or. I'm just not sure what.

[6:25:25] Written down when those monies were collected from the developer money for.

[6:25:32] were affordable housing.

[6:25:36] Contributing toward affordable housing and solving, I mean, it was started in the late 90s, early 2000s.

[6:25:44] And we had a lot of those subdivisions in unincorporated Grand County, all the pole creeks, stage coaches, those.

[6:25:52] As we collect the-

[6:25:53] It wasn't, it was very broad in general.

[6:25:57] But as we start collecting the fees as the real estate transfers happen on these charity creeks and others like it

[6:26:03] Is this the fun where it's going to land? No, it's not

[6:26:07] There's going to land at a curiosity

[6:26:09] He is those coyote creek ones who were just saying that those deed restrictions have the funding going directly to the housing authority

[6:26:17] What if he chants for this money over and close it down?

[6:26:22] I don't know. I guess I'm not seeing any compelling

[6:26:27] I would guess that perhaps we leave where it is for the moment but then if an opportunity

[6:26:35] shows up like Bear or future development of adjacent property there, this could be

[6:26:46] signwork or do whatever we need to do to move like that.

[6:27:10] I think we leave it alone for now.

[6:27:18] I don't see any compelling reason to change it, I guess.

[6:27:21] Is it toward the engineering or whatever?

[6:27:26] Aware of this money.

[6:27:31] All right.

[6:27:32] When it is plot grants, which we've gone over with,

[6:27:41] I want to advise fund and.

[6:27:57] I'd like to go to 20C, conservation trust fund.

[6:28:02] Why don't you want to start with A?

[6:28:05] Well, A, we've gone through.

[6:28:07] What were you having for that?

[6:28:11] Oh, I'm sorry.

[6:28:12] I was just going alphabetical.

[6:28:16] I see what you're saying.

[6:28:17] Let's start with A.

[6:28:18] That's a very.

[6:28:19] twenty eight. Now we're back on track. That's that's exactly what you're going to

[6:28:25] have. I was

[6:28:35] okay.

[6:28:41] We have all

[6:28:51] their do's are in here.

[6:28:53] So that's our COP rate.

[6:28:56] Twenty five million.

[6:28:58] What one to do is change that.

[6:29:06] That's not change it yet.

[6:29:07] But

[6:29:10] why does it not want to change it?

[6:29:13] So our thoughts of how our overall budget is going to work,

[6:29:19] maybe 22, and maybe 20, maybe 18.

[6:29:25] Well, maybe, but Curtis, why would you, what would be your justification for going to 22?

[6:29:34] Well, I started

[6:29:39] out with, last year we made a run at this, we got the EMS Billion between

[6:29:44] 26 million and we had a lot of fund balance and I said, well, that part of our fund balance

[6:29:53] into building that station in borrow 18 million and when I looked at our unrestricted fund balance

[6:30:00] The end of 20, 23 hours of unrestricted fund balance. We want to keep 20% of that as a cushion.

[6:30:12] That's about $5 million.

[6:30:19] It leaves $13 million to spend. We would like, but we also have two

[6:30:26] We rode in bridge shops to build Hannah, another

[6:30:31] build on top of this one, so I thought I'd

[6:30:38] like to keep part of that unrestricted fund balance which are construction and borrow as much as we could.

[6:30:48] So my first thought was let's borrow $25 of the $26 million.

[6:30:55] Ed and Austin reminded me that we're pursuing some grants.

[6:30:59] It's potential for $4 million,

[6:31:05] didn't want to borrow $25 million, and then get $4 more million on top of it, we'd be having funding more than what it cost us to build that.

[6:31:18] That's a structure, so my thought process was, let's go back to $22 million based on the potential for grants.

[6:31:27] Right, the 1 million dollar and 3 million CDS.

[6:31:31] Only 6 minus 4 equals 22.

[6:31:34] But as we've talked about this morning, yesterday, morning, I don't know.

[6:31:43] So, you know, the strings attach per se, right, for the grant.

[6:31:48] Knowing that if you don't accept them for some reason or you don't get them for some reason then.

[6:31:53] And

[6:31:55] then you offset the amount of cash and or amount of COP going into the next road

[6:32:05] and bridge shop or the next EMS station, too.

[6:32:09] There are some other things we can do.

[6:32:11] For instance, our PILT fund, and our financials that's rolled into our road and bridge fund

[6:32:21] balance.

[6:32:22] government, just federal governments, it says we would like you to use this money on

[6:32:28] road and bridge or anything else you want to use it for. We can use it on anything.

[6:32:34] So we've been keeping it in that road and bridge on our financials, which is fun.

[6:32:41] It's not part of your unrestricted fund bounce. We could transfer some money out of

[6:32:47] there if you wanted to come

[6:32:52] out into the general fund,

[6:32:56] fund transfer, that would then become unrestricted.

[6:33:06] Extricted in the road and bridge fund.

[6:33:09] How can you?

[6:33:09] It's committed.

[6:33:10] Committed.

[6:33:11] All right.

[6:33:12] So, as of September, as of last week, we had 25,

[6:33:19] 26 million in the unrestricted fund.

[6:33:23] And what do you anticipate that being at the end of the year five right now?

[6:33:31] But it's going to go down because we're spending more than taking in.

[6:33:37] I think it's going to be closer to,

[6:33:46] but we're going to have a surplus of probably 7 or 8 million.

[6:33:53] Part of that will be unrestricted.

[6:33:58] higher than our 18 million at growing

[6:34:04] out all these numbers to you, but we're just trying to decide how much

[6:34:07] would we like to borrow.

[6:34:11] And our budget doesn't have your final decision, but it's a suggestion of one way to approach it,

[6:34:20] borrow a large portion of this cost so that we've got unrestricted funds.

[6:34:26] I think I'm missing something in the big picture.

[6:34:30] If I could explain my dilemma, please correct me.

[6:34:37] Right now we're looking at $8 million.

[6:34:42] That includes $25 million of revenue, loan.

[6:34:49] So my question is, say we weren't going to do a COP, are we really sitting at a budget with

[6:34:55] revenues and expenditures that's actually a deficit of

[6:35:06] 17 million? That question makes sense at all? Yeah, if you take, yeah, our total revenue take out throughout the COP. How are we spending 17 million more than we're taking in? Because we've been building that fund balance for a while, and we're not. We'll be making payments, I guess, for 12 months. Well, before we happen, I'll make payments after that time.

[6:35:30] Let me take a stab at explaining this, because the way that the CLP works is you get it all in a big lump before you spin it.

[6:35:42] That's why it shows up as a big chunk of revenue that you haven't spent yet when you get that loan in when that gets approved.

[6:35:50] So, look at that, I did it.

[6:35:51] We also show spending 13 million, so our revenues and expenses, if we do away with any accounting for EMS, station one, right?

[6:36:07] Right.

[6:36:07] are about breakeven.

[6:36:12] It's 25 million, bonds and then reduced.

[6:36:20] 13, it does not train you.

[6:36:21] What do you have?

[6:36:22] Half of the 25.

[6:36:24] We'll spend half of that COP money in the first year.

[6:36:28] $5 million, surplus.

[6:36:32] That's because of two-year bill, 18 month budget.

[6:36:35] You're going to pay.

[6:36:36] Pay some of the contract.

[6:36:37] You're going to pay the whole.

[6:36:38] I thought we were going to pay $2 million a year for 20 years.

[6:36:44] That's to the contractor, pay, that's what the difference is.

[6:36:48] You're paying, you write to check to the contractor.

[6:36:50] Oh.

[6:36:51] Pay the COP payments back over 20 years, yes.

[6:36:55] Right?

[6:36:58] Okay, so as the work gets done, we write to check to the contractor.

[6:37:03] Yes.

[6:37:03] For the work that's done at whatever stage, two or three different stages.

[6:37:07] As the work gets completed.

[6:37:08] But we paid the loan back to COP back over a 20-year period, so that's difference.

[6:37:15] At $2 million a year.

[6:37:17] 20 comes in and is used to pay the contractor.

[6:37:23] That's why it's so lopsided in terms of making it look like there's a huge amount of revenue.

[6:37:28] The $13 million is paying out in expense, paying the contractor half of the amount of the building,

[6:37:38] because it's a two year, basically a two year process.

[6:37:41] If we didn't pay anything on the building next year, that would mean that we would have $13 million more than expenses shown in the budget.

[6:37:53] Plus the eight that we show in the budget as a surplus or whatever we want to call it at the end of the year, net positive.

[6:38:03] So the 11 and the 8 puts us at 19,

[6:38:08] because we've saved 11 and we still have the 8.

[6:38:12] So-

[6:38:13] Last man that 11.

[6:38:14] 13 and then jump to 11.

[6:38:16] Sorry, 13 and 8, I'm at 21 then.

[6:38:21] Okay, so we got $21 at the end of the budget if we didn't pay anything, right?

[6:38:29] But then we've got 25 that we accounted for that we're going to throw away.

[6:38:36] Okay, so we're actually a deficit of four.

[6:38:41] That comes back to your original question.

[6:38:43] If we didn't have EMS-1 in here,

[6:38:46] our operating budget the way we have it right now would show a $4 million deficit.

[6:38:55] Because of the CLP.

[6:38:57] No, I'm taking the CLP out.

[6:39:00] CLP's out, EMS-1's out, totally.

[6:39:03] I'm just trying to compare this year to next year's budget, because we didn't do a COP,

[6:39:10] we didn't do any EMM, well we did a little bit of EMM, that's been not much, right?

[6:39:14] So what I'm saying is that if we took the 25 out, okay, so now we had eight showing as a

[6:39:25] positive at the end, we've taken that 25 out.

[6:39:29] So now we have a negative 13, okay, but we're not spending 13 on building, so we're basically

[6:39:41] easing.

[6:39:41] I see what you're saying in here.

[6:39:42] Am I right then?

[6:39:43] Right.

[6:39:44] So revenue and expenses without the building.

[6:39:47] We'd have a $4 million deficit.

[6:39:49] We're meant that's what I had at one point.

[6:39:50] But I lost it somewhere there.

[6:39:52] I see what you're saying.

[6:39:53] That's a big difference from prior years.

[6:39:55] Every year we've had surpluses.

[6:39:57] If you're with a no-seal pee.

[6:40:00] And there's no last three budgets, one, but what do we miss? So we really, we're really doing something here. So hold on, I'm before I forget. So because of this, what Randy just said really actually makes a lot of sense. And, and maybe it's kind of an eye opener to what we're actually doing. But do we have to show. Aim it to the contractor. We're getting all this money in from the CLP. We have to show that, correct? We have to show that as rapid. Yes. Do we have to show that?

[6:40:29] the contractor gets paid over a two-year period? What if we put it into 2025 and then didn't end up

[6:40:36] paying it until 26? It balanced out the same year when you get the money in in some ways so I could

[6:40:42] make that argument. Well the government accounting is more of a cash basis when you receive the cash,

[6:40:49] when you sell those bonds, at revenues 25 million.

[6:40:55] The contractor in 20, 8,000,000, that's an expense

[6:41:05] I

[6:41:07] get to pay him the whole show it in the budget to pay him two payments in 2024, I mean 2025.

[6:41:15] Pay him 13 when he completes or does stuff in by the end of August or whatever, but show another payment.

[6:41:23] It shows that it is equivalent to the money that's coming in.

[6:41:27] I get it, it's not going to all happen all in one year, but why couldn't the budget show that?

[6:41:34] Well, I'm trying to make it realistic.

[6:41:36] Oh, there you go, closet.

[6:41:38] There you go, now you're messing with it.

[6:41:39] You're confusing me with common sense, dang it.

[6:41:42] So.

[6:41:42] We ask you this, sir.

[6:41:45] I know we're not done with 24 yet, but

[6:41:49] estimate what will finish 24 at in surplus?

[6:41:53] I'm think about seven million is my estimate.

[6:41:56] What the heck do we do?

[6:41:57] Center of 522, which is, I mean we budgeted for

[6:42:02] For these buildings this year, these projects this year, not happening this year.

[6:42:08] We're getting that that's what's going on, basically rolling.

[6:42:13] The 522 is how much?

[6:42:16] 4 million.

[6:42:17] I'm seeing a shift of

[6:42:22] really outsmiding ourselves right now.

[6:42:25] Well, I'm just wondering, was it going to be spending a lot more in 24, forget the loan, forget?

[6:42:29] Personnel, well, we can run through them, so go to the first.

[6:42:32] go to the first very first right before yeah the overall very very very first

[6:42:40] now is going up 2.9 million operating half million capital 1.5 million

[6:42:48] do we do this this?

[6:43:01] Okay, okay, so on the overall zero, okay, so if you go down to other

[6:43:15] financial services under revenue, that's that's where that 25

[6:43:20] million-dollar COP is, but just look at personnel granted that we didn't hit that budgeted amount

[6:43:29] due to vacancy the year before, but our budgeted amount is going up 2.9 million.

[6:43:38] The next one, operating expenses, are going up a half million.

[6:43:43] Turn the page capital is going up 1.5 million.

[6:43:48] And when

[6:43:51] you get down to other financing for this, and this is a question for you, the 24 budget had 12.4 in there, and then the 25 budget has 4.2.

[6:44:05] That's because of the interfund transfers that haven't, okay, are not shown in this yet until December, okay.

[6:44:14] Okay.

[6:44:15] You're showing some of them, we're showing $1,000,000 transfers to patch,

[6:44:28] sheriff.

[6:44:29] So that's going to have a direct impact on the

[6:44:35] $8.3 million, going to decrease that.

[6:44:40] Fun.

[6:44:45] Should be a wash.

[6:44:46] It will be a wash when we add them.

[6:44:48] It has partial answering my question, he tallied up a clear $4.9 million of increased expenditures.

[6:44:58] is that $5 million.

[6:45:00] A million, half of the carryover. Well, what we said, if you remove the COPs of that, totally you would be at $82,000,000 a revenue and $86,000,000 of expense for a negative $4,000,000 in the whole, which represents the increase to personnel operations in capital.

[6:45:27] So

[6:45:32] my big thing is that I get what you're saying about common sense of what you have to do for accounting purposes, but it almost makes no sense to me that borrowing money for a project makes it look like we have a huge bunch of revenue or huge bunch of surplus.

[6:45:50] That's what it actually ends up doing in terms of what the budget looks like.

[6:45:55] That's why I'm trying to be careful and explain to you, yes, you're going to have a surplus this year and a deficit.

[6:46:01] 26 by just going to be a huge deficit.

[6:46:07] Okay, but we're also looking at this not from just an accounting standpoint.

[6:46:14] To me, it makes perfect sense in terms of an accounting standpoint.

[6:46:17] Yeah, it does, but the problem is, part, what this looks like to the public, looks like the public that we have an $8 million.

[6:46:28] $1.00 surplus at the end of the year, and really we have a $4 million deficit.

[6:46:33] Right.

[6:46:34] That would be accurate.

[6:46:36] If we exclude.

[6:46:37] If we don't do the project.

[6:46:40] Just the one project, if we don't do the EMS station one project, we have a $4 million deficit.

[6:46:45] Would that be correct?

[6:46:46] I think that's dangerous to go down that path because you're picking and choosing projects to talk about.

[6:46:51] That's right.

[6:46:52] You also have Kennedy Road $5.22 expense.

[6:46:54] throw that out, and then we're only $500,000 off, and we could throw out the road and bridge shop, and then we've got a

[6:47:01] two point.

[6:47:02] It's just then you're back to the positive.

[6:47:04] Five plus, right.

[6:47:05] Well, it's just an interesting conundrum, because in your own personal life, when you take out, when you take in debt,

[6:47:10] then you show it as revenue,

[6:47:14] it just doesn't make any common sense.

[6:47:16] One way you might want to look at it is operating budget.

[6:47:21] it. And they got all the capital expenditures.

[6:47:29] They take out the loan that's used for capital

[6:47:35] purchases, how much money's coming in, and then how much money are we spending on just

[6:47:40] on operations, not buying road graders or building a building. And we have an operating surplus.

[6:47:48] plus. Then capital side of your budget is where you're borrowing money and for your capital

[6:47:57] and there'll be a surplus this year for capital and a deficit next year for capital.

[6:48:08] I completely understand and agree with what you just said just that it doesn't really

[6:48:13] show that on here.

[6:48:17] It shows it in your mind and it's all mixed together and you sorted out

[6:48:21] your mind. Yeah. Yeah. But other people looking at this wouldn't.

[6:48:29] That's the conundrum.

[6:48:30] We just share with the public that the accounting standards make it look like we have an

[6:48:38] extra million dollars next year when the reality is we are decreasing our reserves by four million.

[6:48:45] and we should be able to communicate that.

[6:48:52] 8th, do that last year operating

[6:49:00] budget, it was in 2023, because there was a $6 million deficit we had, and a

[6:49:11] lot of that was

[6:49:15] capital that we had.

[6:49:17] We did, we caught up on a bunch of paving, I think.

[6:49:20] Well, but the actual in 2023 was at 8.75.

[6:49:25] Because we didn't do one projects.

[6:49:27] Right.

[6:49:29] That we budgeted for 13 million in capital that year.

[6:49:34] And

[6:49:40] whether we'll get to that next year, is anybody's guess?

[6:49:44] We're on track to at least get the wetland.

[6:49:48] And we have to get the land and then we have to get started on the project.

[6:49:52] It's going to freeze and then you're always going to start the project late in the year when the water table is the lowest anyway.

[6:50:00] From a construction standpoint.

[6:50:04] Yeah, it's just, you know, it's like the Red Dirt Hill project next year.

[6:50:18] It's not for like a triangle. I'm not being critical. No, we're just trying to understand how we're working hard on this stuff.

[6:50:28] I think we accomplished a lot in looking to macro with this budget reality is, you know, mentally doing this rabbit hole. Did we stop on? We did at 22. Z or something? Where were we at? Do we need to review anymore?

[6:50:43] Where are we fully?

[6:50:44] You have more commissioner budgets to go through.

[6:50:48] Let me go through those guys and can I get through it?

[6:50:50] Let's keep going.

[6:50:51] Let's keep going.

[6:50:53] Well, that derailed and we started talking about the certificate

[6:50:59] participation.

[6:51:00] Because that shows up in the commissioner's budget.

[6:51:04] It wasn't a complete derailment.

[6:51:06] We've got that in there is $25 million.

[6:51:10] question was,

[6:51:14] they might be more accurate to borrow $22 million because of the potential

[6:51:20] of $4 million in grants,

[6:51:25] far or less we can make it lower.

[6:51:30] Yeah, we just need to work at that one, so I like the idea of $22, we'll do the valuation

[6:51:39] if we accept the three, I don't know, the same strings on the one from Dolla.

[6:51:45] Before we make a decision based on just that analysis, I would like to add a factor of like, there may be a future CDS in 2027, that's exactly a building construction and maybe something that when we accept the money, there's not a bunch of construction strings that cause a price to go up and if we turn this back after all that work, I don't think a delegation is going to be all that energized to help us in 2027.

[6:52:08] And it comes close to breaking even.

[6:52:10] That'd be inclined to take this money.

[6:52:12] Absolutely.

[6:52:12] Be careful, don't do it for construction again.

[6:52:14] But something else might be CDS or that.

[6:52:18] So this is, I'm going to throw another wrench in this.

[6:52:22] And that is that if we borrow as much as we can on this EMS building,

[6:52:29] it allows us to fund, maybe entirely, the EMS station,

[6:52:35] And I'm sorry, the road and bridge station without having to have another COP saves us three hundred and some thousand dollars.

[6:52:48] Right. So if we if we get all of our money and we've got to pay interest on it, right. But but if we get all.

[6:52:56] It's also any interest if we leave it in there.

[6:52:59] Get all the money that we can anyhow.

[6:53:03] Yeah, we're thinking about maybe it should be 27 that we're borrowing or 30.

[6:53:09] So obviously that won't let you do the full amount of the project.

[6:53:14] That's where Curtis was originally is borrowing more than 5 out of the 26.

[6:53:20] Okay.

[6:53:20] I'm in for a make a change.

[6:53:22] I think maybe so.

[6:53:24] Okay.

[6:53:24] Okay, so the only reason we dropped it down to 22 was I get those, so we would either backfill with successful grants or unbalance.

[6:53:42] We'll think about that.

[6:53:44] We know.

[6:53:44] Yeah, 25 is where it is right now.

[6:53:46] But you're saying I thought we dropped it because we don't want to, and it's a timing situation, right?

[6:53:51] So the timing situation is, we're going to be working on this November, December to fund in March.

[6:53:59] We won't know Dola until July, June,

[6:54:08] end of June, okay?

[6:54:11] So we won't know on that.

[6:54:12] And then we really won't know on CDS until probably in the first quarter and then when it funds.

[6:54:28] So that was one of the reasons why we had the discussion on Thursday about let's pull back to 22 to have that wiggle room in there.

[6:54:43] what happens if you borrow 25 on a 26 million dollar project and then you get a

[6:54:50] grant and then you get another grant that's the whole point what I mean what

[6:54:54] happened we can't we can't go back and unbarrow once it's funded we can't reduce the

[6:54:59] I'm out of it.

[6:55:00] I'm not sure you can do that. That's the dilemma. When I was talking to our advisors about having grants, they said, oh, we got to talk to the bond council. They want to look at it hard, because he telling the lenders, we're not getting a grant. We want all of your money to build this thing. And then if we get a grant and accept it and their strings attached,

[6:55:29] I think the bond cancel is concerned.

[6:55:32] They want to put words in that bond issue so that the people lend in the money know, hey this building's going to be your collateral, but there's strings attached because of the grant.

[6:55:46] I mean, it all has to be disclosed, I'm not sure.

[6:55:51] So you can't borrow until you know what the grant is.

[6:55:54] I think it's the grant, you know, not Mr. Barrow.

[6:55:58] But I would think the prudent thing for us to do might be to not borrow money

[6:56:06] or just

[6:56:08] borrow it all and not pursue those grants.

[6:56:12] I don't think you can have it both ways, but borrow all the money and get the grants out

[6:56:24] of those boxes.

[6:56:24] Which grants have the worst strings attached?

[6:56:28] They're pretty stringent if USDA.

[6:56:37] There's also a risk of, see, borrow 22, if we get the foreign grants, the strings make it go from 26 to 28.

[6:56:48] Sure happened.

[6:56:49] We only have 22 borrowed.

[6:56:51] Then we just have to cover out of fund balance.

[6:56:54] We don't cover four, we cover six.

[6:56:56] Yeah.

[6:56:56] Well, we'd have two million more in expenses.

[6:57:00] We'd give you getting the grants and getting that money in is what's going to increase

[6:57:06] the cost.

[6:57:07] Yeah.

[6:57:08] Yeah.

[6:57:08] But to your point, it is absolutely real that it could add 15% that

[6:57:21] 15% is covered by the

[6:57:23] grant.

[6:57:23] It takes

[6:57:26] a 3.9 o'clock.

[6:57:29] Yeah.

[6:57:29] It's back with the grant amounts.

[6:57:31] My mother.

[6:57:33] It was 50%.

[6:57:35] Are we 100K?

[6:57:36] More than the grant.

[6:57:37] More than that one grant.

[6:57:38] They caused it.

[6:57:40] Yeah.

[6:57:41] Because the other one.

[6:57:42] Well, I don't know.

[6:57:43] Those same stuff.

[6:57:44] Okay.

[6:57:45] Okay.

[6:57:45] Are we moving along?

[6:57:47] We should move along.

[6:57:48] Because we could.

[6:57:49] We got to think about this overnight.

[6:57:50] Yeah.

[6:57:51] So, professional services.

[6:57:53] Shumps from 30 to 65K.

[6:57:55] Okay.

[6:57:58] What did we add in there for you?

[6:58:02] What number are we on?

[6:58:04] H2, fourth line note.

[6:58:06] Personal service.

[6:58:07] H2?

[6:58:09] ODA.

[6:58:10] Facility use audit.

[6:58:12] It's a correct.

[6:58:13] Energy audit.

[6:58:15] You're lobbyists and employee appreciation, summer picnic.

[6:58:24] Question of faith.

[6:58:37] I'm good with all those things, it's

[6:58:43] tight, we might have to cancel the picnic, but I'm

[6:58:46] no more lobbyists, but those

[6:58:59] two are, what's the third one?

[6:59:04] Facility use audit, energy audit, lobbyists, facility use audit, and energy audit.

[6:59:11] But it's facility use audit is base,

[6:59:21] the shell game, one of the many.

[6:59:24] Okay, we're saving lots of money in our audit fees compared to what we budgeted last year.

[6:59:42] Last year we were going out for RFP and we weren't sure exactly what the fees were.

[6:59:50] It just let back for the 25th budget to a 3L of E.

[7:00:00] 10 grand increase in the professional fees, tech.

[7:00:06] So that is the appeals module for handling all of the BoE appeals that come in. We moved to Spatialist program. This year they have another module that actually has a whole lot more functionality, but it was not ready to roll out when we were looking at different products, to handle the appeals. So that other module would be

[7:00:34] Well, it's $34,000, but what we did was split that between the BOE and the assessor's office.

[7:00:44] But part of that $34,000 is a $10,000 implementation fee.

[7:00:49] So that would be a one time charge.

[7:00:52] Okay,

[7:00:56] I'll discuss the CCAT line real quick, please, because we did a budget 6,000 for 24.

[7:01:02] 4, we were honorable, I looked at the do structure and they didn't invoice us correctly, it's supposed to be on population, if you're above 15,000 population, you're supposed to be paying 15, so we corrected that in the actuals for 24, that's why the actuals 15, so the 6, and it's 15, 6 going forward, that's what our population is, that's the do structure, and we are right on the line, it's kind of frustrating, but

[7:01:26] So, other person, gosh, it's what it goes out to, I guess.

[7:01:32] All those other dues, COG, general COG, QQ, CCA, all these are based on different forms

[7:01:41] of information.

[7:01:41] You guys either afforded us, or we've contacted them, etc.

[7:01:48] COG is costing us over 50K.

[7:01:51] I do know.

[7:01:52] Obviously expensive.

[7:02:04] Water lawyers always in the oil.

[7:02:07] I would split those up into cute, cute and then congeneral.

[7:02:12] Yeah, they are.

[7:02:13] The arrow didn't give two to run my truck.

[7:02:14] Cute, cute is 25k.

[7:02:15] I know.

[7:02:17] I've each.

[7:02:19] One and not the other.

[7:02:20] I thought this was kind of a thing you can't do.

[7:02:22] Cute, cute, if you're not regular.

[7:02:25] That's cute, cute?

[7:02:29] I mean, it might be, when we more out of CCI at ZCAD, then.

[7:02:32] Oh, about 20,000, 25,000.

[7:02:38] That's crazy cheap.

[7:02:46] CCS put a glance, but it's only 2K.

[7:02:50] I seem to me, I asked Ed about it.

[7:02:55] I thought we, this is like deja vu.

[7:02:58] I thought we had the same discussion last year.

[7:03:01] Or the same discussion.

[7:03:02] Well, when I brought to you what their new race were going to be.

[7:03:05] Yeah, I think that we were getting some benefit out of cog that much thanks to the 26 K we just

[7:03:19] But what if we kept that 50k

[7:03:22] Fire just as much as good loyering as the QQs give us

[7:03:26] Our lawyers are

[7:03:40] Still cheaper than Clepio, but how many counties are in QQ?

[7:03:46] Well, in QQ and Northwest Cog, it's not only counties, but it's municipality, so when I go to a meeting, there's, depending on what it is, there's a lot of people there, not so much with Cog, but definitely with QQ.

[7:04:05] Elevator inspections out the wazoo, they do elevator inspections, but we contracted with somebody different, right?

[7:04:10] Well, we contract for our own professional company to repair our elevators and do maintenance on them, and then Northwest Cog is that's who the state agencies is through the inspections to inspect them.

[7:04:24] Yeah,

[7:04:33] and he might you be able to email just because you've been a primary lead to them anyone who's could do this

[7:04:39] But maybe it's on their website, but John Snappney, can you give us the last three years?

[7:04:45] Budget was several budget two million for

[7:04:49] members

[7:04:50] Public available

[7:04:56] Any staff to they have

[7:05:00] This would be, it's about as confusing as a county budget, right? Because they have various enterprises like Thor, right?

[7:05:10] They've got an energy efficiency thing. They've got people going around putting insulation and disadvantaged folks homes in a whole variety of different programs, area agency on aging. Oh, yes, they all hazards emergency management region now is under cog and

[7:05:31] It's not a separate entity for elevators.

[7:05:37] What does the most recent health care coalition do?

[7:05:48] We're not going to solve it now, but that's just kind of staggering.

[7:05:51] That is very staggering.

[7:05:53] Economic fault, my district.

[7:05:57] Yeah, they do economic.

[7:06:01] We make it a grant.

[7:06:02] I mean, that whole thing was applied through the call.

[7:06:05] That's a difficult charging grant.

[7:06:07] I am butlers. I think she

[7:06:18] I'm telling all of our dues real quick here CCI 17,000

[7:06:29] Acoboy only pay four fifty to nico staggering

[7:06:40] That's 15

[7:06:41] Six

[7:06:45] As is 800

[7:06:51] EG and C. I don't know Mary 8,000

[7:06:58] Grand Places 2050 well, that's not really a dues thing

[7:07:02] All right, well I got 93,000 and I would lad I would add the lobbyists we have into that kind of category of stuff

[7:07:11] It's kind of not exactly an association, but it's 1,500 a month is it now?

[7:07:23] 15,000 a month.

[7:07:27] 1,000, so you never kind of pay in $111,000, really $12,000 for this stuff.

[7:07:36] I admit it adds up, we've grown it.

[7:07:38] You know, I've asked a joint C cat, and we asked a joint cast.

[7:07:44] Mary, yes, joint agency.

[7:07:45] I asked a joint agency.

[7:07:46] I mean, it's, I really, we're not, we're not technically even really up to

[7:07:56] value in their legislative updates, for sure, I think, really good job putting out those summaries.

[7:08:04] I agree, but we're getting some in here now.

[7:08:07] OK.

[7:08:12] Lure, we're getting them with.

[7:08:18] Ask.

[7:08:20] A little bit.

[7:08:21] A little bit.

[7:08:21] It'll follow all the same.

[7:08:22] I

[7:08:26] think it's very similar to what agency tracks and CC I track.

[7:08:30] That does it all to the CKAT kind of says.

[7:08:33] It has that CCI has.

[7:08:35] It's going to focus a little more narrowly in CKAT.

[7:08:37] And Club County does too.

[7:08:38] It's more it's less.

[7:08:39] Let's place out on the table. That's a hundred bucks or a thousand.

[7:08:42] Yeah, that's 20 to stand. That's so cheap.

[7:08:44] But these other ones, yikes, that's 800. That's also, I think, off the table. That's

[7:08:51] really cheap. When one trip to a conference, you know, a customer.

[7:08:56] So the big three are

[7:08:58] Cog, CCI, CECA, agency, agency's the lowest of all of those. I think

[7:09:11] we get our money's worth

[7:09:12] out of CCI. Yeah, I agree. That's coming up. You can't. I mean, there are a lot more service

[7:09:17] that are directly supporting you.

[7:09:22] I agree. They're the primary county association for sure.

[7:09:28] I'm completely convinced.

[7:09:33] Yeah, I'm not convinced. I agree.

[7:09:42] Well, I did be all know QQ's definitely

[7:09:44] something. I mean, if we could do QQ without cog, that's what we should do.

[7:10:00] Think about a few of the things that we've received from them at whole housing report deal.

[7:10:07] That's public, right? What is it?

[7:10:12] It's a survey. It's not a survey. Yeah. I don't know. They do put out reports and things like maybe we're not. Maybe we're not utilizing them enough. Should we hire their FTE to read all the reports and keep us updated on that?

[7:10:29] It's up today that all these groups we belong to.

[7:10:31] Another 140 kilotublilist.

[7:10:33] Well, we'll explore a little bit about that.

[7:10:36] I can leave it alone, I guess, from the car.

[7:10:38] I haven't been to an agency actual in-person media for it.

[7:10:43] Yeah, I mean, I feel we get, we're pretty involved

[7:10:47] in the C-Cat, I'm going to pin you into the field.

[7:10:49] You are.

[7:10:50] Well, we're up to the R.

[7:10:52] We're up to the R. We don't have to produce for that.

[7:10:56] I know, but I'm just putting out.

[7:10:58] is my involvement. I think I just think kind of listening to the updates are awesome.

[7:11:03] They're seriously are. And I like to be associations, there's power in membership, there's power in numbers.

[7:11:09] I like to support a, I love the agency's mission. I love what agency does. As far as what we really get, I don't know if we can be

[7:11:19] think C-Cat and then placement might think cut C-Cat as they evaluate.

[7:11:24] Yeah, so when are these, when are these do's already paid them? Oh, yeah, when for next series?

[7:11:31] They end of the years when they're due

[7:11:38] 2025

[7:11:45] I'd say I'd say for now, let's leave them in there

[7:11:50] Maybe you guys make it so for 26 when when that bill comes through

[7:11:56] Bring it up again before we pay

[7:12:15] We did. We just don't see it all right there. It relates to the other ones. We haven't paid Cog. Yeah.

[7:12:27] I'm sorry, the renewals.

[7:12:30] Yes, we paid in 24. All these are paid for 24. 24 to use paid in 24. I think through a new date through at the end of the year.

[7:12:41] I'm not sure. I have to pull that back. I don't know. I'm digging there.

[7:12:53] I guess we leave them alone for now but hey

[7:13:09] three move on absolutely sir that's

[7:13:13] an interesting point do you want to have John

[7:13:23] gave me come I mean and I mean explain

[7:13:29] maybe we might learn what to track better what reports to follow better how can we get

[7:13:35] I bet he'll eloquently make it sound pretty darn amazing like yeah

[7:13:39] We need to tell him ask him how can we get our money's worth out of that dude

[7:13:45] That might yeah, then we kind of no better what to follow what to ask about what to do

[7:13:50] Rospit's a thing in my opinion. I just don't I don't have the bandwidth to go be active in cog

[7:13:57] I don't must do I

[7:14:02] get on the weekly

[7:14:04] Legislative session calls with agency and they're very useful tracking bills

[7:14:09] I'll say it again, I mean, Eagle County was bigger than us, they finally met sure, fought, fought, and he got his two fellow commissioners to agree for next year.

[7:14:17] Well, they're ever telling the job right now.

[7:14:19] A full-time policy person on staff.

[7:14:21] We may not be ready for that yet, but that might be a way that policy person can bring all the value of Cog.

[7:14:29] I don't think we're ready for that yet, but maybe in the future that's the way to squeeze the value out of all this.

[7:14:35] this.

[7:14:39] Right.

[7:14:39] Yes, sir.

[7:14:40] And the do's are probably hiring.

[7:14:41] I think they were excited because Jackson was going to come back in.

[7:14:45] Brought, came back in.

[7:14:48] Yeah.

[7:14:55] I worship they couldn't reduce the dues.

[7:14:57] Let's just do it every other year.

[7:14:59] Join up.

[7:15:00] Any other year, we're calling. They have our money. True. And they court us the other years. Yeah. We've been completely dropped over the radar every other year. Let's, let's keep going here. Anything else in that budget, we need to be alert to add anything else on this budget. We're trying to figure out why there's zero goose. I see that we've made payments. So.

[7:15:29] So it probably just didn't get booked right place in 23.

[7:15:43] Is it supposed to have a dues structure?

[7:15:48] Okay.

[7:15:49] That's actually a dues structure.

[7:15:50] That's just what we've been paying.

[7:15:54] Well, like a formalized dues structure.

[7:15:57] We've never paid them, apparently, just doesn't show that we have.

[7:16:03] Every zero, every actual is zero.

[7:16:05] I should

[7:16:11] have showed up in a different place.

[7:16:15] Correct.

[7:16:17] And I think it's the last mayor manager's meeting direction was go ahead and budget for it next year.

[7:16:26] There's a survey that just went out.

[7:16:28] You should.

[7:16:38] Mayor may not not happen next year.

[7:16:43] Item in the building.

[7:16:45] $13 million, $50,000, that I'd put in $50,000 thinking that's what it was costing us to do, the $5

[7:17:00] ,000.

[7:17:01] 13 pieces of that, yeah, yeah, $3,000, $3,000, $5

[7:17:12] ,000 for the buildings.

[7:17:17] Let's

[7:17:34] look at the bottom line of that budget shows a $10 million surplus but keep in mind the $25 million coming in, not

[7:17:51] for that $25 would be a negative $15, although there's the $13 to $13 come back out.

[7:17:57] But it's going to be, it was, you know, at 1.8 to the 22 actual, 2.8 to 23 actual, right about 2.3 million have been prior years.

[7:18:08] I don't think anything, I haven't been joined or associations that are breaking the bank, because it's right around what it's typically closted.

[7:18:14] The wild numbers are at the CLP.

[7:18:18] Excuse me.

[7:18:19] I think we're dealing with 20 B with the 220 C, Mr. Chair.

[7:18:23] I believe so.

[7:18:24] Ed?

[7:18:25] Yes, CTF, that's just money in, money out.

[7:18:29] Oh, double twenty-see.

[7:18:30] When does the CTF money come in?

[7:18:35] That someone's going to do it.

[7:18:36] Just kind of periodically through that.

[7:18:38] Quarterly?

[7:18:38] Quarterly.

[7:18:39] Yeah, quarterly.

[7:18:40] Quarterly.

[7:18:40] It's quarterly.

[7:18:51] Thirty-perly with anger.

[7:18:53] Here's, um, 64, like, almost 20 grand.

[7:18:58] A quarter.

[7:19:03] 186,000.

[7:19:03] That's spent.

[7:19:04] Fun balance.

[7:19:08] 186,000.

[7:19:10] How that's divided between the three of you?

[7:19:15] We should always do a third on that I think we should be right now.

[7:19:18] We're back to even, we're going to even it out right now.

[7:19:20] I'm kidding, of course I've low estimate.

[7:19:25] This is 20 deep because it is.

[7:19:28] Hey,

[7:19:31] do

[7:19:36] you have 18, yeah, so that budget's good, employee health insurance fund.

[7:19:40] Okay, final answer for point one, it's good, yes, yes.

[7:19:48] Okay, I'm currently asking this no

[7:20:00] Oh, it's- We didn't get a report back from the peak board meeting on our requested- Our fees, they want to keep $10 per member so that a kind of associates with peak in any- It's about $15 per employee, per month, and they want

[7:20:33] a roughly 40% increase.

[7:20:36] I'm going to take us, if I'm remembering the math correctly, from $38,000 to $50,000.

[7:20:46] Other side of that, though, is we are saving about $300,000.

[7:20:50] Well, we were saving about $300,000.

[7:20:55] Now it will be whatever.

[7:21:00] Stay with peak.

[7:21:03] I asked them if we could,

[7:21:08] I thought that was kind of steep, or if it was lost fees, they

[7:21:17] had some pretty major issues, 2020.

[7:21:26] So, um,

[7:21:29] I mean, county and us supporting peak,

[7:21:34] how they are trying to rebuild, they've got some,

[7:21:38] They're pluses that they're living off of and they're increasing the fees so that they don't hop and go away and that's the risk.

[7:21:49] Go away, they only lose our contracts will slowly go away,

[7:22:00] a thousand dollars.

[7:22:09] How much we can do about it other than just say we don't want

[7:22:20] some other

[7:22:25] recommend we keep going with peak.

[7:22:31] Did you pound your fist on the table?

[7:22:33] a shoe at the screen.

[7:22:39] I didn't. But yeah, I stated our case and they weren't

[7:22:49] interested

[7:22:49] in changing it. But there's no opposition to sickening with

[7:22:53] Beak. But, well, I was talking to the Beak Board. He's on the Beak Board, no. Oh, can I see.

[7:22:59] I thought you were talking to our attorney's committee. Got you. No, this was the Beak Board asking

[7:23:05] them to reconsider their fee. And

[7:23:09] listen, but they said, no, we need to keep it that way.

[7:23:13] When

[7:23:19] we talked to HUB, HUB said they'd ask if they'd negotiate, and sure enough, it was on the agenda.

[7:23:34] It didn't work either.

[7:23:37] But when we met with HUB on the entire plan, for a good shape, we don't have to increase our buildings.

[7:23:48] This

[7:23:53] fund builds all the other funds that have employees for health insurance claims $4.1 million in there as

[7:24:08] self insurance, $3.1 million.

[7:24:14] It's $1,000 for the

[7:24:19] same amount.

[7:24:22] We're showing $157 in the whole as budgeted, but that fund balances $4 million, well $3.8 million.

[7:24:35] And that's three to four times the recommended amount.

[7:24:45] Originally they said a million and a half and that lately they've been saying a million.

[7:24:50] Lost if we've decided to change from our current.

[7:24:54] Thank you very much.

[7:25:06] Good consider, moving some money out of there if you wanted to and not hurt the fund.

[7:25:14] Talking about earlier with filth money if you wanted to increase your, corrected, unbalanced, that $4 million is,

[7:25:29] come back in.

[7:25:30] Give

[7:25:35] me if that looked mean or rude.

[7:25:39] Now we're on to talking about what Hub said.

[7:25:43] I hate that I was accused.

[7:25:45] I have returned this commissioner to me now, and my alarm's going off.

[7:25:49] I recuse myself for the discussion about Peacouth Alliance.

[7:25:53] It's not $3.55 and I walk back in because now we're about the overall insurance fund and how we sell fund.

[7:26:01] And so I'm back.

[7:26:01] So the way we've budgeted this fund is to not change our

[7:26:12] funds, our rates so to speak the same.

[7:26:20] Up says last year we had 208 employees average per month and they dollar per employee per

[7:26:34] month cost and so

[7:26:40] 24 reasons that rate

[7:26:46] revenue we're going to charge grown bridge and we're

[7:26:49] going to charge EMF

[7:26:53] under per employee per month.

[7:26:56] When

[7:27:00] claims come in,

[7:27:08] deficit because we have

[7:27:17] flex fees,

[7:27:24] you also have the wellness committee from $5,000 to $30,000.

[7:27:32] We do have a slight deficit, $157,000, but that's on a $4 million budget.

[7:27:46] So at

[7:27:50] this point, I just think we leave it alone, I guess our recommendation missioners

[7:28:00] are as it's shown, and this has all the current costs from hub as we know them.

[7:28:08] That's correct.

[7:28:09] Yes.

[7:28:10] Okay.

[7:28:12] Okay.

[7:28:13] I'm good with that.

[7:28:15] Moving on?

[7:28:16] Moving on.

[7:28:25] Just a side note, going back to just with health insurance though, that slide that you did see with HUB during the last presentation of the recommended options for 2025.

[7:28:39] that per employee, PEPM, what can I say?

[7:28:48] Employee for a month, thank you.

[7:28:51] Of the 15 Commissioner Chimino and I just, we did have a discussion about that number

[7:28:56] and, you know, over this next year commissioners, we really need to have a conversation with Hub about that number

[7:29:06] and how you know try to compare it with some of our other counties maybe and drive to get

[7:29:14] that number down, get that number down,

[7:29:21] and to make sure we're comparing apples to apples

[7:29:25] with other counties as well.

[7:29:30] I'll be able to help in the future.

[7:29:37] Thank you, bird hat today.

[7:29:38] Okay,

[7:29:41] let's see if I don't know.

[7:29:44] Third hat.

[7:29:45] Third hat.

[7:29:46] Oh.

[7:29:47] Actual hat.

[7:29:50] Air Force and Steeler, then buffs.

[7:29:57] Steelers are coming out.

[7:29:59] Is a notice.

[7:30:00] Easily distracted. Keep going. So, do you have any questions about that? No. General Department,

[7:30:10] a large portion of our property taxes show up the 17.3 million property

[7:30:20] taxes, a little bit close to road and bridge, a little bit

[7:30:29] higher, but part of it is here.

[7:30:44] 5 million from their fund, the

[7:30:48] cost of their building, that's financing sources.

[7:30:52] But

[7:30:57] your thought on that was that that would be held in the fund to pay principal and interest on the COP.

[7:31:10] Given an analysis of what could the EMS pay for the building themselves and came up with a price

[7:31:19] that years ago of like 14 million and building is defined as 26 million, they could not afford to do it.

[7:31:29] So, a couple years ago was okay, let's have general fund build it and let's have EMS who's getting increased

[7:31:41] part of building, let's take those funds and move those into the general fund to help support building and paying for that bill.

[7:31:53] That's what it's supposed to be used for.

[7:31:55] The last year, or this year, I'm sorry, they have contributed 2.25 million.

[7:32:00] That's a portion of their unbalanced, asking them to do the same thing next year.

[7:32:07] After

[7:32:10] that, we're asking endoconsubing 500,000 towards the loan payment, now it's anywhere

[7:32:20] from $1.7 to $2 million annual loan payment.

[7:32:27] The way I think about that $2.25 million is that's just your fund transfer money that

[7:32:35] we have.

[7:32:43] I don't

[7:32:49] think we have to.

[7:32:50] And we could, if you'd like to, change it.

[7:32:56] I'm going to remember that that's what that fund, I mean, now just part of the general

[7:33:01] fund unrestricted.

[7:33:05] What you're really talking about is having it

[7:33:10] fitted for a particular use.

[7:33:13] I kind of think it should be in a separate line.

[7:33:16] Actually, I misspoke, that's, it's going into the capital fund, that's where we put

[7:33:24] all of our showing

[7:33:29] under your budget with your department, but that all that money goes into that

[7:33:36] capital fund. So that is your capital improvement. So okay so that fund is set up for it. How do

[7:33:47] we I know Elaine and Kathy are really sharp, but how do we know or what's the trigger that says okay

[7:33:52] Okay, we're going to do that fund transfer out of that fund into this fund.

[7:33:59] Two million?

[7:34:00] Yeah.

[7:34:01] Yeah.

[7:34:01] All the other direction, that $5,000 a year over the next,

[7:34:18] it'll show up in the 26 budget, right?

[7:34:22] Right.

[7:34:24] Our plan is $500,000.

[7:34:31] Well, I wonder if that's, I don't know how would we document it or something so

[7:34:38] so that,

[7:34:44] okay?

[7:35:03] Okay, we're good.

[7:35:10] Okay. Okay. And one note. One note, which we have never received any training for. So we'd have no idea how to do it. Okay. Thank you. We're good.

[7:35:28] Thank you for explaining.

[7:35:33] There's also a spreadsheet that showing this whole financial plan that

[7:35:41] Okay, okay, final amount of COP.

[7:35:47] All right, are we done with this page?

[7:35:53] Yes.

[7:35:54] So we're next, we're going to LRT.

[7:36:02] Yeah, that one's pretty straightforward, isn't it?

[7:36:05] We have handy finance team, what the current balance is, please.

[7:36:11] Roughly.

[7:36:11] for OLRT.

[7:36:13] And it's not all you're right, this is so is the budget which is not.

[7:36:16] Open lands, rivers and trails, a 11 million, 454, I got it from yesterday.

[7:36:20] On that.

[7:36:20] 11 million, 454.

[7:36:22] Committed.

[7:36:24] Okay.

[7:36:25] I got it.

[7:36:26] Thank you.

[7:36:27] One that I can't find.

[7:36:29] I see it here.

[7:36:37] Um.

[7:36:40] Also, we budget.

[7:36:43] How much revenue is going to come in and then just think

[7:36:52] there'll be about $2.6 million

[7:36:55] in sales,

[7:37:00] 0.3%, those taxes 1.3%, oil art, he gets a point.

[7:37:14] I'm thinking it's going to be a slight decline,

[7:37:20] like to this year, about a 3% decline is what I'm budgeting.

[7:37:31] I think this

[7:37:39] fall cycle had all the new pieces so those asks are going to be in this cycle,

[7:37:47] which I think they meet next week for the committee does to make the final recommendations

[7:37:53] to you.

[7:37:54] So you'll see those at the end of the month.

[7:38:01] The professional services of a hundred grand.

[7:38:08] They

[7:38:11] do advertising for their.

[7:38:14] But the cycles also have an administrator that that all organized with all the money coming in and people asking for money and tracking what has been spent and.

[7:38:27] Orts and.

[7:38:33] Okay, we're good with that one.

[7:38:35] Well, I'm sorry, are you?

[7:38:38] Yes, well, I think I am, but they're having a psych conversation about it.

[7:38:50] Okay. So good with a little RT. Pilt is next.

[7:38:54] Yes, sir. And once again, that's a program that has to be approved every year by the federal

[7:39:02] government. It'll come in.

[7:39:07] Parts of calculation, part of which is based on how much money

[7:39:11] we, from the,

[7:39:20] by giving all of that money to the local school districts, these payments

[7:39:24] are higher,

[7:39:27] one year delayed.

[7:39:31] Bring, then, and, bye.

[7:39:39] If I could, Mr. Chair, I'm good with the budget.

[7:39:42] I just have a quick question.

[7:39:43] We can answer this tomorrow.

[7:39:45] This wonderful sheet that was provided, it kind of shows, I just ask about the OLRT, I see

[7:39:49] that here.

[7:39:50] I know what that's for.

[7:39:51] I see EMS and I see the amount I know what that's for, I see PILT Fund at 9.9

[7:40:00] And I don't know what that is sitting there for.

[7:40:07] That's money that comes in every year. Once a year, we receive a bill of funds. Expecting 2.1 million in 25. Right. And there's not really, there is nothing restricted about what we can use that money for.

[7:40:26] For accounting, they made a special revenue fund. So we can't. So we could, there's flexibility here.

[7:40:38] We're not restricted, so I guess this is part of the many pots of money that we may dip into over 20 years of payments on the, yeah.

[7:40:52] I listed as committed because we combine it with road and bridge, just for financials, we don't have to keep it there.

[7:41:01] That's just where we've been keeping those up as committed, not unrestricted.

[7:41:06] The reality is if you wanted to use that as unrestricted money you can, you have to

[7:41:13] do a resolution.

[7:41:14] Let's take this money, belt, and use it for whatever governmental purpose you decide.

[7:41:23] Can the same be said for the amount I see here for the Rowan Bridge Fund?

[7:41:27] It also is committed and therefore-

[7:41:29] bridge is different. General fund can't put money into

[7:41:35] Rowan Bridge. Why I've kind of kept Pilt there.

[7:41:41] Rowan Bridge, I've never needed money.

[7:41:44] Pilt can go into Rowan Bridge, but General fund can't.

[7:41:48] Right.

[7:41:49] Oh, one of us want to ask you is, it's a weird rule.

[7:41:52] That's a weird rule.

[7:41:53] And the Rowan Bridge fund go back into General.

[7:41:59] Pilt can go back into it.

[7:42:00] But it's committed.

[7:42:01] You would have to take, I'm as bold.

[7:42:04] Yeah, both, both, both, both is worth, Curtis, or the Pilt Fund, and

[7:42:08] we're a bridge funder listed as committed on the sheet.

[7:42:10] Right.

[7:42:11] So with the resolution, we could do what you described.

[7:42:14] Yes, you could.

[7:42:16] Thank you.

[7:42:16] I miss, I feel like you know, what is out of the possible?

[7:42:20] Thank you, that was.

[7:42:22] But, that being said, just to make sure that we didn't, if I didn't hear it,

[7:42:27] You cannot put general fund money into rodent bridge.

[7:42:32] Correct, there's a statute.

[7:42:34] Statute, that's not just a committed thing that we could do with the resolution.

[7:42:37] That is actually a statute.

[7:42:39] Correct.

[7:42:40] So I don't understand, but.

[7:42:43] Funding rodent bridge, mostly with sales tax.

[7:42:47] All small portion of property tax.

[7:42:50] I don't remember, but in the budget that we had, where did we show 522, was that part

[7:42:58] of the road and bridge, and did it show an interfund transfer out of here to road and bridge

[7:43:04] or not?

[7:43:06] No.

[7:43:07] No.

[7:43:08] Pilt.

[7:43:08] Not Pilt, but out of the road and bridge fund, or that just automatically comes out of the road

[7:43:13] and bridge fund.

[7:43:14] It would have a major capital.

[7:43:18] Say that again.

[7:43:22] That's a new road, it's the only reason it's available.

[7:43:25] That's why it's capital.

[7:43:29] So on maintenance of existing roads comes out of road and bridge fund as well as equipment or not.

[7:43:36] Yes.

[7:43:38] In fact, even though it's no equipment and it's capital.

[7:43:44] Take the money out of road and bridge and we put it into 350 which is capital by the road grader.

[7:43:53] What what are the limitations in terms of taking money out of road and bridge?

[7:43:59] Have a negative fund balance. You can't go

[7:44:03] Can't take more than they've got

[7:44:07] and I encourage you not to go below 20%

[7:44:12] 20% of

[7:44:14] of the

[7:44:16] revenues or expenses, which ever is higher

[7:44:19] Well, Ron Bridge gets a lot of revenue, but higher.

[7:44:30] Answers are the revenues of that fund.

[7:44:39] Perfectly clear.

[7:44:44] Rotem Bridge gets funded directly from mostly sales tax,

[7:44:49] some property tax.

[7:44:50] It doesn't bypass through any other fund.

[7:44:52] It goes directly from those funds to Rotem Bridge, correct?

[7:44:55] Yes.

[7:44:56] That's how it gets funded.

[7:44:57] It also gets...

[7:44:59] I will use...

[7:45:00] Mr. Tax, that's a big issue.

[7:45:03] Okay, we're good. Anything else on field?

[7:45:09] Okay, we can move on. I think we're ready for that one now.

[7:45:20] This is funded through property taxes. We use that money to pay the county's match on employee's retirement plan.

[7:45:33] If an employee leaves employment, or they're fully vested,

[7:45:41] The amount that the county has contributed that's not vested comes back to the county and that's what the four fixtures are.

[7:45:53] Wait one more time.

[7:45:54] So we can contribute up to 6% of an employee's salary.

[7:46:03] So the first year you vest 20%.

[7:46:09] That way puts money in that money is their money.

[7:46:13] When they leave the county, they take that money with them.

[7:46:17] County is putting in full 6%, but only 20% of that is vested or becomes part of that employee.

[7:46:26] 100% vested five years.

[7:46:30] After five years there are only 10% vested.

[7:46:33] Everything in the county has been putting in.

[7:46:35] There

[7:46:39] is a, I think if you're 55 years or once you reach 55 years, you're just automatically

[7:46:45] fully vested.

[7:46:47] That's part of our plan.

[7:46:49] I don't like to officials a little different.

[7:46:57] I don't, I don't believe so.

[7:47:00] I believe that's at five, yeah.

[7:47:01] So I guess if you do a full term, you're 80% or if you're 55 years old, then you're fully

[7:47:07] vested.

[7:47:12] I think you've been here a long enough, sir, I think you're fully vested.

[7:47:16] This looks like another one where we don't really account for the actuals because exactly

[7:47:23] what the budget did or in the case of 2024, it's 20 right now, but

[7:47:27] Well, we do a budget that then yeah depends on how I mean employees we have and what percentage we do keep track of their actuals

[7:47:37] Well, but not in this

[7:47:40] Is it because it's exactly the same?

[7:47:43] All of the 23 actuals, those are the same as budgets, 60, 60, 60,

[7:47:51] and the four fixtures.

[7:47:52] And the four fixtures, yeah.

[7:47:55] That's fine, you don't have to always have real items, sir.

[7:48:01] I don't know how that, I think that's a coincidence, I don't know.

[7:48:05] That's okay.

[7:48:07] So, why on some of these,

[7:48:12] interfund transfer from the general fund, so

[7:48:17] so that it shows up as zero balance of revenues less expenses and some we don't.

[7:48:31] Well, this is one that we don't,

[7:48:36] maybe it's only at the summary sheet we do.

[7:48:39] I don't know where we do that but-

[7:48:41] In this case, we try to let the property taxes, we try to manage that mill levy to be as close as we can.

[7:48:53] Fences, we don't want to be far negative or too far positive.

[7:48:58] Right, but on this one, we're almost a quarter of a million dollars, negative.

[7:49:04] In our budget, yes, sir.

[7:49:06] One

[7:49:12] point.

[7:49:15] I'll be in negative $2,000.

[7:49:21] Okay, that's the difference.

[7:49:22] This is a fund.

[7:49:25] So funds can show a positive negative, doesn't make any difference because it's going to balance

[7:49:30] out of the fund.

[7:49:32] Oh, God.

[7:49:32] The others were operating departments, and they have to, at some point, they got to get balanced out.

[7:49:44] Right.

[7:49:44] The whole book probably.

[7:49:45] Right.

[7:49:47] I think I understand.

[7:49:50] Like this patch, here's an example for you, Commissioner, this patch is a fund.

[7:49:54] Right.

[7:49:56] You don't do any property tax for them that we don't

[7:50:00] House tax, the sheriff's department, those outside entities, for part of their revenue, but

[7:50:12] sheriff also pays at fund, and so we use an interfund transfer general fund to move sheriff's

[7:50:23] money into that.

[7:50:25] In the case that we were just looking at the retirement fund,

[7:50:32] how do you determine how much

[7:50:35] or how much property tax is attributed to that account we were just looking at to that

[7:50:40] fund?

[7:50:43] Try to analyze how friends aren't and try and predict how much it will need.

[7:50:52] So, so there's no formula that says this is what needs to go in there, you just take what

[7:50:58] But you think is appropriate realizing that we're going to take a quarter of a million dollars out of the retirement fund or whatever we're just looking at, right?

[7:51:05] Yes, retirement fund, some year if it gets too close to zero, if it gets close to 20% change the mills for that fund to increase the revenues from property taxes.

[7:51:20] So we could do that for several more years with the retirement fund.

[7:51:25] Because it's already a million one, a million two, got it?

[7:51:30] Okay, thank you.

[7:51:32] Questions, please.

[7:51:32] You said it changed the mills.

[7:51:34] Is it the case where we have a voter approval that's up here, really?

[7:51:39] No, it was never a voter approved thing.

[7:51:41] It's just elected to use property taxes many years ago to fund this account.

[7:51:48] So if we increase the mills, for example, then some other thing is going to get less mills.

[7:51:56] I got it, thank you.

[7:52:00] I did not have mills, that's okay, we would ask for a periodically.

[7:52:07] It's just a different way of getting the money to where it used to go.

[7:52:11] It's not increasing the mills because that's sorry, it has to go to the voters to do that.

[7:52:24] That's it, you actually are retired for the day, for the day.

[7:52:31] Does this do it all again tomorrow?

[7:52:32] This is the page we are after.

[7:52:36] So, Curtis, do you want to do a wrap for today or?

[7:52:43] We did not do a budget for the poll, Creek, PID,

[7:52:51] their bonds were paid off last year.

[7:52:55] We refunded their money,

[7:53:02] that fund exists, there's just no money going into it.

[7:53:07] The purpose of it was to pay the bonds which were used at road.

[7:53:12] And there's no money going out of it.

[7:53:18] Well, the choice as you can dissolve the fund, if you'd like, or you can keep it in case

[7:53:26] sometime in the future,

[7:53:33] if I already set up as a district and have

[7:53:38] to vote to tax themselves

[7:53:40] the way that you vote.

[7:53:41] You have to go through that whole process again, right?

[7:53:45] Yes, I don't know for sure pros and cons of doing either.

[7:53:49] It's not hurting anything for it just to sit there, right?

[7:53:53] Not hurting anything.

[7:53:56] But on the other hand, if they were going to vote to increase taxes to do some other

[7:54:00] project, they might want to call it something different anyway.

[7:54:06] It's already a district, I guess, maybe they would just, it's almost done.

[7:54:13] It's just a question you should probably consider, talk with Bernie about, do you want to dissolve it or keep it old?

[7:54:22] I think I'm hesitant to recommend closing it, because I suspect there's a lot of work done to set it up in the first place, to identify all the properties.

[7:54:40] I think we just keep it, let's leave it alone for now.

[7:54:44] I don't think we need to even ask the attorney to look into it at this point.

[7:54:47] I don't see that there's any point closing it, there's no advance to us to close it.

[7:54:55] I'll see you to keep it open

[7:55:07] We can get a wrap up in the morning. We can get a wrap up in the morning. Whatever's good with you guys. Yeah, I'll make a summary. I'm sorry. We don't need to do it now. We can do it in the morning.

[7:55:21] So officially, I believe we are actually tired of what's the right word adjourned for 24 p.m. On October 1st, we are officially adjourned. Microphones off.

[7:55:33] Thank you very much.

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