[0:21] I'm ready to cancel the meeting. How you doing, fellas? You ready? Yes.

[0:29] Pass can. How you doing, Eddie? Good to see you.

[0:33] Welcome to our meetings, which are our scheduled at seven pm on the second four twos of each

[0:37] month. Your interest is encouraged and appreciated. Just let everybody know the meeting is being broadcast

[0:43] live on Comcast, cast 17. The meeting is being recorded by NCTV and is scheduled to be broadcast

[0:49] on NCTV channel 17. You can always check it out on WWW City Grass Valley. Click on the

[0:58] link there and you can watch anything that's pre-recorded. I'd also like to

[1:01] recommend people to make sure your cell phones are off. It does make a little

[1:03] havoc with our system in here. With all that said, Eddie, would you leave us

[1:09] with a touch of allegiance tonight? I mean, you know I was asking your name for a

[1:14] Purpose, did you?

[1:16] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for

[1:22] which it stands, one nation under our indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[1:29] Thank you.

[1:32] All right.

[1:34] All right.

[1:35] All right.

[1:36] All right.

[1:43] All right.

[1:44] All right.

[1:44] five members present.

[1:46] Terrific, thank you.

[1:47] There is nothing to report out of closed session.

[1:50] Any changes to the agenda?

[1:51] No changes.

[1:52] Terrific.

[1:53] I'm going right into nothing new introductions and presentations.

[1:57] I'm going to go right into public comment.

[1:59] There is a time limitation of three minutes per person

[2:01] for items that are not on the agenda.

[2:04] So now this is your opportunity to come down to the podium.

[2:08] This time and speak in regarding to any items that are not on the agenda.

[2:12] Hello,

[2:16] Council. My name is Rob, Katz and Stein. I'm a resident of downtown Gras Valley.

[2:22] I'm sorry, I can't stay for the whole meeting, so I want to speak about one item on the agenda,

[2:29] which is just to congratulate you guys on following the other cities on the dog ordinance, because

[2:38] really, I have been doing a single Thursday night market because I can't bring my dog.

[2:43] So thank you, thank you, thank you for we haven't approved anything yet.

[2:49] We haven't approved anything but I encourage you to do so but the other reason I want to speak tonight is a

[2:58] is a transportation issue and I want to point it out before the City Council and hope that they could make some

[3:03] recommendations to the regional transit board.

[3:07] Are you guys aware that the first bus from Grass Valley in about a city?

[3:12] This is the train in Auburn by 20 minutes.

[3:18] In other words, if I want to get a meeting in San Francisco, I could get a 630 train in Auburn.

[3:27] But, no, the old country stages are either at 650.

[3:31] This is an absurd mismanagement.

[3:36] I do commute to the city and I would not drive my car to Auburn in order to catch that train.

[3:42] I mean, if goal country transit could accommodate me.

[3:47] And similarly, on the way back, the last bus leaves at 6 o'clock.

[3:52] And the train gets in at 6.30.

[3:55] So I'd just like to encourage you guys to ignore that.

[3:58] We don't know what that is.

[3:59] OK, it wasn't going anyway.

[4:01] But if you guys could look into that and maybe make some inquiries

[4:05] as to why that connection, it was done that way back in 2009,

[4:10] I believe when the cutbacks were made but now that things are seemingly back on track with the economy

[4:16] I see no reason why that bus can't leave 20 minutes earlier and or 25 minutes earlier and and and wait and then leave at

[4:26] 6.45 rather than 6 o'clock. So basically Gras Valley Nevada County citizens could have a through transit

[4:35] route to get to the Bay Area for meetings, that trade actually arrives at like 9.15 in Richmond,

[4:42] which is perfect for taking the part to the city, doing a meeting, that the return train returns

[4:48] about 3.30, gets in at 6.30, 3.45 I believe. It's just absurd that we don't have that link. Thank you.

[4:56] Thank you. You've begun the, um, the Transit Services Commission? No, I have, um, this was first up,

[5:02] by actually just thought of doing this last week

[5:05] because I wanted to take that to the city this week.

[5:08] Yeah, because the Transit Service Commission

[5:10] is a great place for that to go and you can even write a letter.

[5:12] And Jan sits on that.

[5:13] I'm on the alternative as well as the black night.

[5:15] OK, well, any support from the city would be appreciated.

[5:18] You got it.

[5:19] OK, thank you.

[5:22] Anybody else for a public comment?

[5:26] OK, moving on down to consent items.

[5:28] All matters listed in the consent calendar

[5:30] where we consider a routine by the city council

[5:32] and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed.

[5:36] There will be no separate discussion of these items unless somebody wants to remove the item from the consent.

[5:41] Anybody want to do so?

[5:43] Any terrific, then can we have a motion?

[5:46] Assembly.

[5:48] First and second.

[5:49] Kristi Rolkall.

[5:51] Yes.

[5:53] Yes.

[5:54] Yes.

[5:54] Vice-mere of the Vane.

[5:55] Yes.

[5:56] I'm going to move this work out.

[5:58] Yes.

[5:58] Careful here.

[5:59] Yes.

[5:59] Motion carries followed up.

[6:01] Terrific.

[6:03] On to item H. Item 7, discussing regarding dogs and special events and optional first reasons

[6:11] of ordinance and menu in that chapter.

[6:20] Pardon?

[6:20] I'm going to appreciate a reading.

[6:22] You'll go out of it.

[6:24] Council

[6:27] members, Lieutenant Gamble-Gard with Grass Valley Police Department before you

[6:31] this evening is a staff report outlining the issue of dogs and special events.

[6:38] Some of the items of note in the staff report are that historically and in today's municipal

[6:44] code, dogs and special events, absent certain exceptions, are not allowed.

[6:52] The issue of dogs in the event can sometimes cause an enforcement challenge for us when

[6:58] it relates to issues surrounding primarily service animals and individuals who indicate

[7:06] that their animal is a service animal.

[7:08] So it can sometimes cause some confusion for patrons of downtown events in that they may

[7:17] they see a dog in a special event and reality that animal is exempt from our municipal

[7:21] code because it's a service animal and then there's some question as to why their animal

[7:25] isn't allowed and so we walk through those processes with folks.

[7:30] In going through some research on the issue, we found that trucky police department and

[7:36] the vet of city police department and the town of trucky and the city and the vet of city

[7:40] both allowed dogs on leash within their events and in speaking to police department officials

[7:44] they have noted no significant challenges with that.

[7:49] You may also have noted in the staff report there has been a trend towards more dog friendly

[7:56] laws.

[7:57] One of note was Assembly Bill 1965 which was signed and that one is a state law that

[8:05] basically makes it lawful for an individual to bring an animal or a dog with them to

[8:12] a restaurant provided that restaurant is accessed only via an outdoor dining area.

[8:18] That would be subject, however, to local control and that piece is allowable at this point

[8:23] we don't have any particular ordinance that would prohibit that.

[8:29] The purpose of the staff report was to first provide a little bit of history on issue and

[8:33] secondly allow City Council to discuss the issue and if you so choose to move forward with

[8:40] first reading of the ordinance. In that particular ordinance, what it would do is actually

[8:44] rescind one specific section of our current municipal code, which is the portion that

[8:49] says dogs are not allowed within the events. And by doing so, dogs would be allowed within

[8:57] special events provided that they are not leash. The current municipal code requires that

[9:02] the leash is a substantial leash not to exceed six feet. And then there's also a provision

[9:07] within the current municipal code that would remain, which allows enforcement for animals

[9:15] that are to quote the municipal code, annoying, harassing, nipping, mulling, or biting any

[9:20] person, it would provide enforcement latitude for the owners or person in charge of such

[9:26] a dog to be removed from the event and up to citation for such a nuisance.

[9:31] So with that, I'll turn it over to you folks.

[9:35] Thanks, Alex.

[9:37] Any questions or staff?

[9:40] I have a question.

[9:41] A legal question, actually.

[9:42] Does the city have any liability if we do change our ordinance and allow dogs at events if there is an altercation or if somebody has hurt, is part of an altercation involving a dog?

[9:53] Does the city have any sort of legal liability?

[9:55] It depends on the facts, but simply removing a prohibition against having the dogs at a city sanctioned event would not per se increase the liability of the city.

[10:05] So if there's a city event and somebody gets bit by a dog, could the city be sued?

[10:13] I mean, someone could bring that suit, whether or not the city would be found liable there, would depend on the facts, and here just simply removing a prohibition, no.

[10:22] The fact that the city sanctioned the event, and a dog bite happens there, would not, in and of itself, lead liability, no.

[10:34] So a lot of the events we do in downtown are done by a contracted nonprofit.

[10:42] Does that increase their liability at all?

[10:45] It may.

[10:46] And usually the contracts between the city and the contractor are going to include insurance

[10:51] provisions for this type of stuff.

[10:52] So they would likely be covered under their insurance policies.

[10:57] It would be the party that would be maybe harmed, yeah.

[11:03] Okay, just follow up then.

[11:06] Well, the follow up, the follow up then.

[11:10] We'll just keep going right down the line.

[11:12] It's kind of an interesting conundrum because what you're saying is that we can allow it

[11:15] and yet they take the responsibility.

[11:18] Yes.

[11:20] But isn't it usually a standard, especially for an outdoor event, isn't the insurance

[11:25] liability usually covers that as a blanket or a number of other type of thing, or is

[11:30] specifically a dress and it's just a regular outdoor event insurance policy?

[11:38] Yeah, it's going to be a standard action admissions policy that's going to cover this and

[11:41] they will more likely go after the insurance company to the extension tab.

[11:48] So a few years ago, we didn't allow dogs in parks, and we opened it up to Conn in Park,

[11:57] with a sugar end to some people, and excitement to others.

[12:01] Have we had any real issues out there with dogs?

[12:05] We have restricted areas, but are we having any nuisance problems of bites?

[12:09] Well, particularly, you have the dog park area of Conn in Park, which is a designated area.

[12:14] If all the walking trails and through where we had the bot dog park, we were allowed dogs in the park.

[12:19] Yeah, from the police department standpoint, we have none that have really arisen to our level.

[12:26] I have seen animal control go out there from time to time, but usually they're on routine patrols and checking.

[12:31] They don't get too many calls related to specific dog incidents in the park.

[12:37] What about licensing?

[12:39] I mean, because people come into our events from in the county or other areas.

[12:43] I mean, city residents is different than somebody coming from the county.

[12:50] If there was an animal inside the special event that was a city resident's animal that

[12:57] lived within the city, and it was unlicensed, then there's an issue with the dog being

[13:01] unlicensed.

[13:02] But someone visiting, I'm not sure that there's a provision that they have to have a special

[13:07] license to visit the city.

[13:10] Is there, I mean, typically, you know, you're looking for radio shots and things of that nature.

[13:14] I mean, do other cities have that and that type of thing in their ordinance where it's saying you can bring dogs

[13:21] They're not necessarily licensed, but you still have to have proof of your

[13:24] Yeah, I didn't see that in the research, but it's good question. I can get back to you on it. Yeah

[13:29] Any other questions?

[13:32] I got a question. When did we initially

[13:36] Prohibit dogs for the city and why?

[13:44] I do some research with you, Monteno, and before or when she originally was on the City Council.

[13:55] Early 90s.

[13:56] Early 90s.

[13:57] Prior to that, there was in the downtown of that, I believe, this Cornish Christmas, based

[14:04] on the story as she told it to me.

[14:09] And there was a little event and a kid had some kind of treatment, and he said, I'm going

[14:16] for the treatment, but the kid in the face.

[14:21] And so she wasn't involved in the ordinance, so it's prior to being on the council, but

[14:28] that's the story of that, right, right from deep.

[14:33] Good?

[14:34] Yes.

[14:35] It was, yeah.

[14:35] It was driven.

[14:36] and altercation driven.

[14:38] All right, with that, I will open up a public hearing,

[14:42] so there's your opportunity to come down.

[14:52] If we're being a little slow,

[14:53] they had a dental procedure.

[14:55] A good gap, anyone around the alley road?

[15:00] I think we need to really consider whether we want to fix this ordinance, is it broken? Because the way I see it, we're getting a lot of risk. There will be a lot of dogs out there. And 99 or 100 dogs can be wonderful dogs. And the one bad dog will be the one dog that everyone will remember. That will be the one dog that gives you the headline, you know, kid gets beaten on Cornish Christmas.

[15:31] there's a lot of safety shoes when you got a lot of dogs in a very very crowded area

[15:37] this is not just walking the city streets on a normal day and add to that the fact that

[15:45] well dogs do what they do some of them you know will have their causal nature and most owners

[15:57] Those will pick up after other dogs, but the snow would still be there, it would still

[16:02] be an eye sore, and on things like Thursday night market we're talking about having

[16:08] it where there is food, so there's a public health issue might be.

[16:15] I think this ordinance really, unless there's a real good reason to change it, I don't see

[16:24] why? I mean responsible dog owners should be able to go to events even without their

[16:33] dogs. They're dogs. They're not, you know, they're, they're wallets. Actually, I want

[16:40] to do events without wallets too. So I'm just saying, you know, I think we might get

[16:48] a few more people that can't come because they can't find any solution for their dogs.

[16:54] but is it worth the risk? Is it worth the extra danger of, you know, just one bad dog.

[17:00] I mean, the million pit bulls didn't bite anyone yesterday, you know, he didn't hear about that.

[17:05] One of them does bite in suddenly national news. So, just something to think about.

[17:12] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Gatt. Anybody else?

[17:31] Whitney Gatt, I live on Round Valley Road outside city limits, but I attend many events

[17:36] here inside of the city. I consider myself a local resident, I have service animals,

[17:43] I require them for my day-to-day life. And for me, I heard this ordinance and I was terrified.

[17:51] I mean, I have a hard enough time going to one of these events and finding someone and

[17:56] saying, you know what, that person's walking around a couple of dogs on a piece of bailing

[18:01] twine and they just tried to eat me and I have to find someone just to have dogs removed

[18:05] that aren't supposed to be there anyway.

[18:07] Let alone having the streets full of people and then full of dogs that maybe aren't licensed

[18:15] may not be vaccinated, maybe aren't under reasonable control.

[18:21] And I find that a horrifying thought, not just for myself, but what if a parent has a small child or someone with special needs and they go up, oh look at the pretty dog and the owners don't touch my dog, the kid touches it anyway.

[18:36] They lose a hand, or they have to spend the next three years doing extensive surgeries to save a body part.

[18:53] For me personally, it's, I would not attend a crowded event that only has crowds of

[19:02] people, but also it potentially has crowds of misbehaving dogs, even the best-behaved

[19:08] dog can't read a service dog vest that says, I'm a working dog, do not distract me.

[19:14] A dog isn't going to read that, the owner might, but what's the potential hazard for

[19:20] people who have seizure alert dogs, or diabetic alert dogs, or blindness dogs, or physical

[19:26] assistance dogs, and they require those animals for their day-to-day life, otherwise they

[19:32] possibly, in many ways, are unable to function.

[19:37] And their dog, their working dog, their lifeline, I mean, this is like someone carrying around

[19:44] an oxygen can.

[19:45] They have to have that animal.

[19:48] And someone walks by and they have a brand new puppy.

[19:51] All my puppies nice, my puppies nice, but it's too late.

[19:55] At that point, that service animal has been distracted.

[19:58] They have lost concentration on what their work is.

[20:03] And you're dealing with a crowded space anyway.

[20:06] So that dog is already in overdrive.

[20:10] They are 100% committed to what they're doing.

[20:12] That one more thing could be the potential for someone having a seizure and falling.

[20:22] Someone in my position having a severe panic reaction needing to be hospitalized because their heart has gone into it.

[20:30] A taxi?

[20:31] And with me.

[20:33] Or some of the diabetes has had their blood sugar drop or go too high.

[20:40] I mean, these are issues that, to me, are very personal and it's quite a

[20:49] worrisome

[20:54] proposal

[20:58] that, for me and other people in this community that do have registered service animals

[21:03] and we have spent years training these animals to be at the very peak of their performance.

[21:12] Having these animals not being able to function and do their jobs in a space where they should

[21:16] be allowed to is not acceptable.

[21:20] Thank you very much.

[21:21] I appreciate your time.

[21:23] Thank you.

[21:23] Is it good?

[21:24] Anybody else?

[21:29] You stayed.

[21:33] Well, you and Rob Katzenstein, downtown Grass Valley, I'm glad I stayed because I am in

[21:43] It's part of the ordinance, and I respect the former speakers' opinions, and I'd like to

[21:53] just state that responsible dog owners should recognize the needs of service animals

[22:02] and keep their dogs away from service animals.

[22:06] And I thought service animals were pretty much trained to ignore other dogs, and I would

[22:12] hope that would be the case. I don't mean to, I hope this ordinance won't prevent

[22:20] that I'm from coming. As I see it, this ordinance is a way to not discriminate against

[22:28] dog owners. And it seems to be working fairly well, or very well, in Nevada City. I've

[22:35] been to two of the Wednesday night, hot summer nights, things in Nevada City with my dog.

[22:41] and basically the dogs get along, the people get along with the dogs. I've never seen a dog acting hostile to her.

[22:51] Apparently, this thing seems like it's true and trucky from what the police sergeant has said.

[22:59] And so without the sort of evidence that dogs are running the market, the markets, I mean,

[23:07] from the current, this summer, it seems like people are running more on market, the markets,

[23:13] based on the arrests that have been done.

[23:16] And so why, why prosecute dog owners?

[23:22] I see more problems with the people than the dogs.

[23:26] I want to speak about one thing. Also, in the ordinance, there's something about the dogs not being tied up.

[23:34] Article B is dogs not to be tied up in public right of ways. And I move, is the sidewalk a public right of way?

[23:41] Okay. I mean, fortunately, like, lazy dog has an entrance to their store where you can tie the dog up to the bench where there's a water bowl.

[23:50] And it's not in the public right away if I'm correct, which is what I'd like to do in order to get an ice cream when I'm there.

[23:58] Unfortunately, culture shock across the street doesn't have any kind of vestibule, so I guess I have to go to lazy dog instead of culture shock.

[24:06] But I mean, it's not a big deal, but I sort of feel like tying a dog up on a strong leash to a signpost is a reasonable control of an animal while you go and

[24:19] to say a story about something and I do respect her needs, but I really feel like the needs

[24:28] of dog owners and respectful dog owners should be allowed at the market because they

[24:32] are other places.

[24:34] Thank you.

[24:35] Thank you.

[24:37] Anybody else?

[24:40] Let's see.

[24:40] None will bring up that account for any other questions, discussion.

[24:45] I would like to request something since you brought it up about the issue with the Downtown

[24:50] Association potentially having some liability since they're the ones who sponsor the event.

[24:55] I would ask that we would continue this item and give them the opportunity to really look

[24:59] at it.

[24:59] And fortunately, I was not able to get them information until late this afternoon.

[25:04] So if we could have them look at it and maybe weigh in on it and see what their take is

[25:11] on the whole day.

[25:12] And then also for them to contact their insurance company to find out what the liability issues to them might be.

[25:19] So before we do a first meeting, maybe get a little bit more information.

[25:22] And maybe check into that, the vaccination issues with other places.

[25:27] I do believe some of the state parks or some of the other, there is some sort of requirement there.

[25:38] I'll research that.

[25:40] Do you want to make a motion on the second item?

[25:47] I would move that we continue this item to, can we do for the first meeting in September,

[25:54] 30 days?

[25:55] Okay.

[25:55] Second.

[25:57] We have first and second.

[25:58] A little bit of local.

[25:59] Not a local of this.

[26:01] All in favor?

[26:02] No.

[26:02] Any further?

[26:03] No.

[26:04] All right.

[26:05] Item 2B continued.

[26:06] Yes.

[26:07] To the first meeting in September.

[26:09] Okay.

[26:10] All right.

[26:11] Thanks, Alex.

[26:13] Thank you.

[26:14] We have next.

[26:15] He's an excellent job.

[26:18] All right.

[26:22] I want to remind the last biopsycho pertaining to smoking in public areas, good evening,

[26:34] Councilmembers.

[26:34] My name is Dan Cameron.

[26:35] I'm a sergeant with your police department.

[26:37] You have in front of you a staff report regarding mending the smoking board it's for downtown.

[26:48] In that time, we've identified some issues that need to be strengthened within the ordinance

[26:56] in order to make it more effective.

[26:59] Those issues range from identifying EC rates and vapour pens as smoking as well.

[27:07] Recently, there was a report out by the California Department of Public Health, defining ECGIT's

[27:13] as, I'm sorry, they issued a health advisory and a new ECG report.

[27:18] Some of the highlights of that report include explosion and make a team doing adolescents

[27:22] can harm brain development.

[27:24] They say ECGIT's did not emit a harmless water vapor as kind of advertised, but an aerosol

[27:30] that has been found to contain at least 10 chemicals that are on California's proposition

[27:34] and 65 list of chemicals in order to cause cancer, but it affects another reproductive

[27:38] harm.

[27:41] On another note, there's another issue that are popping up with regards to concerns

[27:45] with law enforcement.

[27:46] Some of the EC rates and baby parents are being modified to use illegal narcotics.

[27:54] Methanphetamine has been found to be used in some of them as well as the THC oils.

[27:59] This poses a risk because if it lives in the downtown area, not only is there a risk

[28:02] to the nicotine, which is kind of the purpose of the whole audience in the beginning.

[28:06] But also, you could potentially have people walk around the downtown core or smoking legal

[28:11] narcotics.

[28:12] And the law enforcement has no way to tell because it's coming out of a vapor pan.

[28:17] That's one of the issues they need to be addressed.

[28:19] Some of the others, the other two, have to deal with the boundaries within the downtown core.

[28:24] As you can see in the antennae, Gamma, they put up a map that is kind of flashing back

[28:28] second-fourth to propose new boundaries so you can see it now for a few seconds before it leaves us.

[28:36] We want to expand a little bit about a block here and there.

[28:42] So I'm going to leave you the proposed bill.

[28:44] The downtown course, no smoking boundary, excuse me, should be expanded to the following.

[28:49] To find his West Main Street, to South School Street, to East Main Street, to Bennett Street,

[28:54] to Timoi Street, to Nielstreet, to South Church Street, to us Main Street.

[29:00] The boundaries also include military from Nielstreet to the Western Entrance Exit of the

[29:05] Safe and Shopping Center and the public sidewalks on both sides of the permanent boundary streets

[29:11] are included as well.

[29:13] We've recommended this in order to help law enforcement and people in general

[29:17] But I identify what the boundaries are, we've requested the expansion up, basically a block up West Main Street to include the center for the arts, and then expanded out on military to the entrance of the safe way to kind of get the crowd that hangs out around that section out a little further so they're not all humbled up, still kind of affecting the downtown core.

[29:42] Also with regards to that, we've noticed some mix-and-cranies that people have been able

[29:47] to hide in within the downtown core that we want to rectify by adding the following.

[29:52] Smoking is prohibited within 20 feet of all business doors and offerable windows that are

[29:57] open the public, including those on private property.

[30:00] somebody within the downtown core. Also, it should be in private area, adjacent to within

[30:05] 20 feet of a public street or public sidewalk. This gives root of all the mix and cragny's

[30:12] within the downtown core that people can step off the sidewalk. For example, way into

[30:17] the Nevada club, the little oncove there, where a police can go out, you're not smoking and

[30:21] and we've had a step the other way up, now you're okay.

[30:24] So this will, better clarify for law enforcement

[30:27] as well as the citizens if within the data

[30:30] or whether it can and cannot be.

[30:33] Thank you.

[30:35] Thank you.

[30:37] Questions?

[30:38] Yeah?

[30:38] Nope.

[30:39] Okay.

[30:39] I got a couple questions.

[30:41] And, so we should have found out the 20,

[30:44] because there's a, there's a,

[30:45] there's a, there's a,

[30:45] there's a,

[30:46] there's a,

[30:49] there's a,

[30:50] So, I think this will enable you to sneak back into that, so that's a little bit of that

[30:56] 20, so they're pushing people back towards, on the back of the other house hall.

[30:59] I think you guys know what I'm talking about.

[31:02] I'd have to see it.

[31:04] Sorry.

[31:05] It's in between, I guess, the tattoo place and...

[31:07] There's a little park, there's a little park.

[31:09] The parking spots back there.

[31:11] Yeah, but that's included in the new area.

[31:13] Yeah, it's a 20 feet.

[31:15] It's a deep parking lot, so they can actually smoke further back into the...

[31:19] That would be good.

[31:20] Well, you're in the district.

[31:22] Yeah, so it's the private property.

[31:24] It doesn't matter.

[31:25] It's 20 feet, there's an entrance there.

[31:27] So it's 20 feet from any entrance.

[31:31] And that's what they're saying whether it's private property or not.

[31:36] Well, all of it.

[31:38] And I didn't mean to say that.

[31:39] And the space behind the robotics club, the flower shop, all of that.

[31:46] also kind of with regards in the Valley Club that would be actually outside of the downtown

[31:52] boundary ends up on East Main Street on the sidewalks on both sides. So behind in the

[31:58] Valley Club would be outside of that area. The Alcove in the front would be within included

[32:03] within this recommendations.

[32:05] This would be the Richardson Street.

[32:08] One of the challenging areas is for example up and down Mill Street you have a lot of businesses

[32:12] where the storefront is actually set back from the city sidewalk easement and so those areas

[32:17] under the new proposed ordinance that sort of Kimbera mentioned would actually become areas

[32:23] contained within the no smoking area. Do you guys hear the toothpaste effect? We're kind of

[32:27] pushing people out and they can just, you know, we push people out, people not smoking in front of folks.

[32:32] We're pushing them to residential areas and I think this sends a clear message that we just don't want

[32:40] people smoking downtown because every single day you can go to any of the areas that

[32:46] already are no smoking and see people smoking. And I think that if it's truly the city's

[32:51] desire to have our downtown be smoke free and we just have to be vigilant about the proposals

[32:59] that we put forward for something like this and enforcing it and really not just law enforcement

[33:05] enforcement enforcing it but also the downtown business owners really, you know, trying to explain to people that it's not okay to smoke there.

[33:13] I mean, I know that I'm one of those businesses that has private property on to the sidewalk and we do not allow people to smoke there.

[33:23] If somebody is smoking in our alcove, we kindly ask them to, you know, actually say downtown is no smoking.

[33:29] You're welcome to sit here, but you need to put your cigarette out.

[33:31] and those people are fairly fairly respectful.

[33:35] Yes, that's exactly how I did it.

[33:37] We'll pass over the card with how it works today.

[33:41] The further down the street you go,

[33:43] the less nice people are about it.

[33:46] But I just think that it's a public relations campaign.

[33:49] It's a program to really say that we

[33:52] don't want people smoking downtown.

[33:54] And I think this is a great way to do it.

[33:58] And it will also eliminate those people who work downtown

[34:01] who smoke, who you know are in the backs of buildings like what you're talking about

[34:06] and it will eliminate that too and so we're going to have to really educate the business

[34:09] owners as to what this means to them and again I'm not sure if the downtown association

[34:14] was noticed on this item but it's something that they could certainly educate their merchants

[34:19] about.

[34:20] We're not really adding a little bit of larger space and I know for example it would eliminate

[34:26] the people who smoked behind my building that work at the adjacent business because they'd still they would they would be 20 feet from an entrance.

[34:38] But they're on the back side so they're just more hidden.

[34:43] So I think this is great and I think it's needed.

[34:48] How are you going to enforce it? It's not being enforced now. What are you going to do different?

[34:54] Well, we, I would argue that we are enforcing it, we've since inception, we've written over

[35:01] 30 citations, which is now up, we've made a lot of context, and our goal has been more

[35:05] to educate people.

[35:07] It's not something we want to go out and just write citations to everybody and anybody.

[35:13] We do have some other tools to each action, I know I brought my wife up here, we don't

[35:17] live in town, and she does smoke, and she had no idea, she lights up, and I would, you

[35:23] know, would appreciate somebody giving, no, no, I got in trouble for telling her she couldn't smoke.

[35:29] For that, you know, I would appreciate a warning, you know, and someone educating her rather than do somebody writing her citation,

[35:35] which is the, what we've been trying to do on the ones that we've gotten is, you know, recognize the offenders we've tried to cite.

[35:42] But we would ask for some patients in and trying to come up with a better plan to make infertility more educating a little more.

[35:48] So it's going to be a process.

[35:51] I was going to talk to a public hearing because on a couple of comments I'd like to make

[35:56] it this public hearing too, right?

[35:58] Yeah, so to that point, the fewer people we have smoking and keeping moving it down to

[36:07] the fewer and fewer people by educating or moving them will are doing the right thing.

[36:13] I really, really address, I really commend you on adding EC2Fs to this, because the

[36:19] noxious chemicals that are in the afterburn of EC2Fs include from Alive, Benzin,

[36:25] Nitro-Summers and things like that, which I'm not denying materials, along with what

[36:31] you're encountering with nephanelines and other drug-nub related usages.

[36:38] So, I really do appreciate the incorporation of e-cigarettes in this district, and I would

[36:47] really hope that when we get out the way about e-cigarettes and that they're not the nine

[36:58] instrument that they are set up to be there, their kid catchers and their anecdotes of

[37:09] the nicotine substance that is un-mahillated, and the real menace

[37:19] that we have, you're welcome.

[37:21] And the rest is for the open up the pedal kind of. I'll be short and sweet. I like that this closes up a lot of the

[37:30] business order. And this was one of the issues. So this solves the problem there.

[37:39] First of all, with this part of education. So thank you.

[37:43] Oh, with that said, we can open up the public hearing. So anybody has thoughts, comments?

[37:49] Come on down please take your name for a living.

[37:53] Mr. Mayor.

[37:55] Mr. Vice Mayor, Council Member, thank you.

[37:57] My name is Cliff Brown and I'm a resident of Gas Valley and I'm also here tonight.

[38:02] as President of the Board of Directors for NIO, and as you know, NIO is a local non-profit

[38:09] that empowers all youth in Western Nevada County to make healthy lifestyle choices

[38:15] through fun, safe, and youth-led new events and opportunities.

[38:20] Every year we host about 70 events, many in downtown Las Valley, and we also open the youth

[38:26] center of this spring.

[38:28] I support this proposed ordinance for two important reasons.

[38:33] First, our citizens benefit from consistent, clear and logical rules for smoking in public.

[38:41] Second, the existing code implies by a mission that e-sigs or vapor devices are somehow better or healthier since they are allowed.

[38:51] Our youth, in particular, and our community in general need to understand the health

[38:56] risks of any kind of smoking, including vaping, tobacco or drug use.

[39:02] I encourage you to approve this ordinance.

[39:04] Thank you.

[39:05] Thank you.

[39:14] Hi, Brian.

[39:15] I live on one of the few drives in the world of city.

[39:17] I also fully support the citizens and I'm so thrilled that you guys are all involved with it.

[39:26] I know I've had a city and I've got some little plaques that they're putting in store in those

[39:34] because quite often the sign is so far away people can see them.

[39:39] So yeah, I suggest you spell those in there.

[39:43] And I really appreciate these things being added to that because we don't have any kids smoking.

[39:50] Thank you.

[39:50] Thanks, Rob.

[39:55] I'll bring it back to Candle.

[39:59] So, it's real quick.

[40:03] I met last week with the director of the tobacco free coalition,

[40:11] he was a county employee, Shannon, and she's doing,

[40:15] they're doing some surveying right now of elected officials to find out if they

[40:20] has support to bring forward an ordinance that or some language to an updated ordinance,

[40:27] which I think you cover a lot of what I talk with her about, but it speaks specifically

[40:31] to the e-figures, to the and the little cigars, because apparently there is no legislation

[40:38] that you can buy the little cigars as singles, and they're flavoring them, and they're brightly

[40:43] packaging them, and they're really parking them towards teens, and so they're looking

[40:48] to figure out a way locally to incorporate some of the regulatory process.

[40:52] I think very much so with what you guys have done, and they're supporting that.

[40:55] They're actually, she'll probably contact a few of you as well, and she's just gathering

[40:59] the data right now, but they're showing that through some of the survey, they've done

[41:03] a lot of schools that kids are buying into those products because of how they're marketing

[41:08] to them.

[41:08] So, I appreciate us being really proactive on this.

[41:12] I think that, you know, I know our smoking ordinance includes smoking anything downtown,

[41:18] including marijuana, is that correct?

[41:21] So, yeah, I mean, it needs to get the message out there that we are smoke-free.

[41:29] Downtown, if not for community.

[41:31] For my perspective, this is just, I think the modification of human behavior happens through

[41:38] But for my perspective, this is just about making grass

[41:43] battery a better place for families to come down to and people to enjoy and just

[41:49] not have that whole stigma of people hanging out from a bar or smoking cigarettes and

[41:54] you're walking your children down, you know, I don't judge people with smoke, I don't care

[41:59] about changing their behavior, they can go do what they want to do, but just make

[42:03] I think that's a very great place for people to come down and enjoy, and I think this

[42:07] is just as bad.

[42:09] I agree.

[42:10] So, just a couple more things about E-Series, from 2015 to 2014, there's a hundred percent

[42:17] increase in youth labor, it's tragic, and preliminary study shows after effects of maybe equal

[42:31] to smoking a regular tobacco cigarette. So it is one other part that I think when you

[42:38] say that, Jason, I say parts. And I would love to see the way it's come back. When

[42:47] you've picked up thousands of cigarettes that's both in downtown and in parts, that if

[42:53] we want parts to be found new friendly, that they are no longer a paving for cigarettes

[42:59] smokers. They're all vapors and they are eliminated as part of our radio ordinance. I want to get this

[43:08] move through and allow everyone to come back for parks, which we would please. Specific to parks.

[43:14] I thought our parks weren't on smoking. I thought so too.

[43:16] That's a two. But within the parks section, the municipal court and there's somehow designated smoking area,

[43:22] Is there something on it?

[43:23] No.

[43:24] We're moving regardless of the smoke.

[43:28] The other car's not designated yet.

[43:30] That's information.

[43:32] I think now, we need to make sure that it's weren't

[43:38] and that the ordinance is sustained without it,

[43:43] but it was just for fire.

[43:46] So Mr. Mayor, I would make a motion that we

[43:49] approve the ordinance to amend Grass Valley Municipal Code

[43:51] Section 8.2.0-3.0 and 8.2.1-3.0 depending on the smoking.

[43:58] Second.

[43:59] All right.

[43:59] Christie, would you lift the announcement?

[44:01] That's the regular.

[44:02] Yes.

[44:03] Don't you have a barbell?

[44:04] Yes.

[44:05] That's the regular.

[44:06] That's the regular.

[44:07] That's the regular.

[44:07] Yes.

[44:08] Don't you want to just wipe out?

[44:09] Yes.

[44:10] Airfoil.

[44:10] Yes.

[44:11] Motion 30-0.

[44:12] Terrific.

[44:13] Thank you, Christie.

[44:14] Okay.

[44:15] Last time on the agenda, I'm briefly first by Council members.

[44:20] Yes, good.

[44:21] Okay.

[44:22] So Colin, I have it on my list to make sure you don't make it.

[44:29] Did you bring the video?

[44:31] I did it.

[44:32] I will.

[44:33] I will.

[44:34] I have the video.

[44:36] So thank you so much.

[44:37] Thank you.

[44:38] Thank you.

[44:39] Thank you.

[44:41] Thank you.

[44:41] Thank you for your bosses.

[44:42] Thank you.

[44:45] Anyway, on August 22nd, we have a fabulous fundraiser in our community for the Center for the Arts

[44:50] It's called Dancing With Our Stars and Colin Nelson and Colin Nelson and Colin Nelson

[45:00] We're going to set up out there, and he is one of the dancers. So we're very proud of him, and I saw him with us the other day. There's a video. Police, the press, L.E.P. art, thanks for having me. And I know that you're going to win, and I'm here. I'm here very, very, very happy supporting you for dancing with our stars. I wish you the best. And thank you so much.

[45:19] You know, the Center for the Arts is a great place for the community.

[45:22] My daughter, first dancer, and so when I was asked to do it, they've always been around

[45:28] for the community.

[45:29] Glad that I get to be a star.

[45:31] I get to represent the city of Grass Valley and the police department and hopefully I'll

[45:35] win.

[45:35] Okay, and my number two dance is going to kill it, so anyone is interested in actually attending

[45:42] biotech.

[45:42] It's now that you want to donate to any one of the members who are participating.

[45:48] If you just go to Razu.com and then you go to look up center of the arts dancing with our

[45:53] our stars there's what ten other contestants any one of them if you want to donate

[46:01] to the cause of everything helps and call when you say anybody you really mean just you.

[46:04] I don't know if they're going to do that.

[46:08] Collins primary is so much revenue this year.

[46:12] Oh, it's not so much.

[46:14] Should somebody have the side?

[46:17] And much of an inequality should.

[46:21] And you know it's not going to happen.

[46:23] I mean, you have to tell me what that is.

[46:25] I really appreciate it.

[46:30] So, thank you.

[46:58] Thank you.

[47:00] Thank you.

[47:01] Thank you so much.

[47:04] Thank you very much.

[47:06] So, thank you.

[47:06] terrific group. I did this stand on the history of the first event market in

[47:13] music happening. I just had to dance with Keith. And I knew that. And there was

[47:19] all of a sudden, yeah, it was just fabulous. So that was good.

[47:25] Caroline, thank you all for your friends in the parks. And Leo, and please

[47:33] That was really fun, and that's something we can put together, God, I think if you're

[47:38] willing to do it, we can really slam it in the future, it was great.

[47:46] The park, I guys, the work on the parks, looks so good, thanks, yeah.

[47:55] There's a neighborhood meeting on the street, that's a nice street, and that too, and about

[48:00] community. And one thing that I commanded these people for our

[48:05] race route is they get together, they talk about their problems, they're

[48:09] invited to police, and Sergeant Perry was there, and Joe Wish was there, and

[48:18] when the living people are trying to solve their problems and working with our

[48:24] department and our people, it just makes it so much easier. So for people out

[48:29] You know, Korea can't give you labels and a citizen can't give you, so it was great.

[48:37] And I think they really appreciated what they had.

[48:41] That would represent, it was fun.

[48:44] We talked about the future of youth programs.

[48:48] And

[48:51] I'm not going to have the time to monitor.

[48:53] Okay.

[48:54] You kind of did just by doing that.

[49:05] Well go to dancing with the stars, I'm going to watch Colin Shake it, look at Ferdinand.

[49:12] That last Fender's market was a blast, the Chief Mazzata Shake it too, that's work.

[49:24] I really missed out on a clarion that I looked for until next year and that local community

[49:30] was great.

[49:31] You said it all.

[49:32] I don't need to say anything else.

[49:34] That's because I did so many works.

[49:36] Yes.

[49:38] Thank you.

[49:40] Okay.

[49:41] I entered a national light out.

[49:42] Thank you.

[49:43] Thank you.

[49:44] It's an annual event and I hope we will continue it.

[49:46] being an annual, but it was super successful. Thank you, friends of the park, who joined

[49:53] with you and everybody on the public's surface there, everybody, who came out. It was amazing

[49:58] to see that many kids having that much fun, getting color all over them. And the parents,

[50:04] too, I might add, it was great. Thank you guys for doing it. If a national event is done

[50:12] on the same night all over the country so I'm so happy that we were able to participate in it

[50:18] this year. I attended the Open House for Cal Trans about the highway 49 right away which

[50:27] it's kind of disappointing I would say I was expecting a more of a presentation on what the

[50:34] different options meant to people and it was more it was definitely an open house but they were

[50:42] A lot of attendance by the paper in the neighborhood of fact, so that was good.

[50:48] I attended, along with the mayor, and Tim and Trisha, the, I know, I do association

[50:56] on public works, something, American public works, something, public works, anyway, this

[51:05] is a transportation project of the year, and which is our second award for our, um,

[51:12] Darcy Drive which is supposed to show what cooperation and good work will do here in the city and I've once again

[51:19] It's so good to hear how we stocked it

[51:24] Trisha and Tim are amongst their their peers

[51:28] It really makes you feel good and proud to know that they represent your city and they work for you

[51:34] And I also missed off to the agenda the town hall for our congressman that will not that

[51:39] which was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very few seats, I hope, and so, which was a successful for him as well.

[51:47] Thank you, Jim.

[51:50] Yeah, I've come in a match on that out, as well, and I have to say that does that pressure, I mean, having, uh, soon to be seven, you know,

[51:57] because now he expects to add a color run, both the party.

[52:00] Well, seven was having one.

[52:02] Yeah, it's all a slash, some other thing, so, but thank you.

[52:05] I was absolutely impressed with it with the turnout.

[52:07] It was really incredible.

[52:10] I mean, I really expected by 20 and 30 kids,

[52:13] and they had 100, well over 100 kids,

[52:15] so excellent jump there.

[52:17] I'm giving a tour to City Hall

[52:19] to give you the Japanese exchange students,

[52:21] which was a lot of fun.

[52:24] And there's not much to tour here in City Hall.

[52:26] So we really had to stretch any sort of excitement

[52:29] for they could participate in the D.S.

[52:30] and take a photo in that race.

[52:32] That was really big for them.

[52:33] We've been canceled in the town, and most of us are from the 10th to the mid-generation

[52:40] was in the 2020.

[52:42] Future generations.

[52:43] 25th anniversary.

[52:44] 25th anniversary.

[52:45] That was a really nice event and congratulations to them.

[52:48] I was about to speak at the South County Library Club that was actually held here in Grass Valley.

[52:54] A good group of folks there.

[52:56] I did a 10th of discipline.

[52:57] Culture and meaning.

[53:00] I do appreciate the fact that they're reaching out.

[53:03] But they're asking our public to give opinions and step without a discussion, I think, is problematic.

[53:11] And I see it in the words, certainly, and that Jen touched on was the fact of that.

[53:18] I was fortunate that I got to see the table with all the contractors.

[53:21] Tim would let me see what Jen, so he separated us.

[53:25] But after hearing a lot of different speakers speak and having true speak,

[53:30] Everybody at our table was just absolutely impressed. She was poetic to the point that was meaningful.

[53:39] And I really just thought that was a lie. I was so proud of Trisha. I'm so proud to grasp on it for the project.

[53:44] But it was just really, really impressive. And it was just really nice to be aware of that meaning and have some of that Trisha speak up there.

[53:55] It really was a real proud moment.

[53:58] So I think we've been busy, and thank you, and thank you for all the groups that are coming together.

[54:02] I think some of the efforts of the Police Department is doing with our parks, the parks groups,

[54:07] and these neighborhood movement on the race street.

[54:10] I think these are perfect examples of what it takes to have an incredible community.

[54:15] It is not the fact that we're sitting behind this day as saying yes or no, one of them.

[54:19] A River Tuesday night is engagement from everybody out there, from my neighborhood to our parks to our law enforcement door staff.

[54:26] And I cannot say, I'm not thank you, thank you, thank you, because you are the folks that are doing such an outstanding job for the community.

[54:33] So, thank you.

[54:34] And with that said, meeting adjourned.

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