[0:01] Good afternoon. Welcome to this meeting of the policy subcommittee meeting. I'd like to be in the meeting by calling it order. Dr. Terrabassi, I'm here. Tim Collins, Rachel Attaker.

[0:23] Okay, Josh will be just in the flesh.

[0:30] I have a state somewhere up.

[0:32] And two, three probably, for which to stand,

[0:35] one nomination under the

[0:46] first order of businesses,

[0:48] the reorganization meeting, so I'll open a software

[0:50] nominations for a chair of the subcommittee.

[0:54] What's the check?

[1:03] That will mean you can read these past institutions.

[1:07] It's good.

[1:08] I'm willing to do that.

[1:14] Okay.

[1:15] Well, since both of the other members have nominated the same number all the close

[1:20] of corporate nominations. And we can do the vote. This would be a yes would be for Dr.

[1:27] Turbosic to chair the subcommittee. I will do this by roll call. Rich.

[1:34] Yes. Tim? Yes. Mike? Yes. Okay. Congratulations. Okay.

[1:48] Just so I'll clear the one that we have to get the one

[1:52] Theoretically, we should get passed as an emergency as the ACL, correct the policy where you're going to stand with a sword with the front door of the school and protect your students from ice.

[2:06] Did I summarize the policy for you?

[2:08] Basically yes.

[2:11] I read through the policy.

[2:14] I had no issues or questions with it.

[2:16] You guys have a chance that I did read it.

[2:19] This is all right for Massachusetts State Law, right?

[2:24] And so, and we need to get a pass

[2:26] because we're delinquent and being compliant, correct?

[2:29] Correct.

[2:29] We were supposed to have this active on the first.

[2:34] All right.

[2:35] We're looking for a motion to approve.

[2:38] We're going to make a motion to approve.

[2:39] Second.

[2:40] OK.

[2:43] All those in favor?

[2:44] I, I, I, any opposed.

[2:49] Then, I'd like to point out maybe we're sure we want to do this.

[2:53] So when we get to the school committee meeting, when I go to do the role, when I go to do the reading of this.

[3:00] So we have to be, so we're supposed to read a policy three meetings before we come to accept it,

[3:06] for nomination. However, the school committee, the whole committee, can decide to override

[3:15] that rule, right? What is it called? Suspension rules, suspension of the rules. So I

[3:22] would be looking for some of them to make a motion to suspend the rules so the policy

[3:27] can be to suspend the rules and for the policy to be voted on and accepted.

[3:36] Yes, yes, and I'll say that too, just see you guys there, and then somebody don't have to second it, right?

[3:42] And then the whole school committee, I think we'll have to, the committee will have to vote to suspend the world, so they'll have to be two motions, right?

[3:49] If the committee wants to vote to agree to suspend the world, and then you can make a motion, then I'll say I'm looking for a motion to a group.

[3:59] And we'll see if the committee decides that if one

[4:03] is going to let it go through or we'll do the three readings.

[4:06] OK.

[4:07] The next one, fuel efficient vehicle policy.

[4:15] Oh, good.

[4:15] That was good.

[4:16] That was good.

[4:16] I think I got that.

[4:18] No, I don't want to say about it.

[4:20] So we're looking to be participants with communities

[4:25] in their Green Communities Act.

[4:29] Partish would stay.

[4:31] By adding more buildings essentially into the mix, the opportunities for greater grant

[4:40] opportunities and to meet the goals of the Green to Green to Green to Zad early these

[4:45] year.

[4:45] You have more buildings involved.

[4:46] So as the school district, we're looking for just a few sounds in there in their program.

[4:52] One component piece of that is that the school committee must have got a field vision vehicle

[4:59] purchasing policy, which basically says as you replace vehicles, you're going to buy a few

[5:05] efficient vehicle as a matter of a policy. And there's some exceptions for certain kinds of

[5:12] you'll be doing vehicles that just don't, you know, make sense to do that and they don't make

[5:16] those for example like fire trucks. But what the policy headlines is, you know, how you go about

[5:21] that process. You still fall all the same procurement rules. It's just that you're going to have to look

[5:25] for, you know, some more highly efficient vehicles than, then, you might in the past.

[5:33] And the direction we would probably go any way within a person in vehicle, because we

[5:37] want to think about the total cost membership of a vehicle, spying fuel efficient vehicles

[5:42] is the smart thing to do, financially, as well as environmentally.

[5:48] So, you know, this is a direction we would perhaps be going any way, even if we weren't compelling

[5:53] by policy, but by putting it in a policy or being directed to do that as a part of our purchasing.

[5:59] And then it allows us to be a part of the green communities that we're in process and all that,

[6:04] to potentially get some resources to help us out.

[6:09] But then it helps explain.

[6:11] So we can get money from the state to help us buy vehicles because of it, if we accept this policy.

[6:19] You know, possibly, I mean, I don't recall off time I had one of the vehicles are a part of that range program, but it's more often used for other energy and efficiency programs,

[6:37] so you know,

[6:45] of the grant, helping to support that. So indirectly, I don't know how to talk to my, whether

[6:52] or not, person, human vision vehicles is allow component of the grant. It might be, but

[7:01] I think they're trying to take a holistic approach to how you're thinking about energy efficiency

[7:07] in the environment. So at least for directly or not, you're

[7:14] my idea.

[7:16] But you're going to turn that and sort of some of their things that they consider having

[7:20] the efficient, I don't think they really lowered the standards, they're not as highly

[7:24] efficient as they could be.

[7:25] But that said, the one thing I would do want to point out is that I've been...

[7:30] Foreign and electric vehicles for years, that some people buy highways in a hybrid, itself may be less anxiety for some people, but that's a bad deal if you don't place the charger. Why?

[7:41] Hibers have motors, hunger, 70 maintained, oil change, filter change, and eight years of an EV, I have no maintenance period, it's like nothing.

[7:48] And then they don't break, there's almost no parts to fix.

[7:51] There's just tires to change occasion when they wear out,

[7:55] and not even break-ups to the use of gender break-end, like zero means.

[7:59] And that's a huge difference.

[8:00] As long as you have a place to charge, you're sending a plenty of places to charge.

[8:03] You can go three or four hundred miles on a charge,

[8:07] and you're always going to be driving three or four hundred miles

[8:08] around will be hit more than the day, you know, the day.

[8:11] So if we do go to that, if you have a place to charge,

[8:15] they should be telling me electric for big savings and maintenance as opposed to, you know, the hydrants.

[8:22] Yeah, I would say that the lines with my experience by the electric car owner had for about three years.

[8:26] I have a similar experience to you, with regard to that.

[8:29] And I think here, you know, separately, we can use that.

[8:32] Your other programs that can help to create the cost of putting in charging systems.

[8:37] So that's something we also can look at.

[8:39] Just because that's the direction, you know, vehicles are going.

[8:42] It is either hybrids, plug-in hybrids, fully electric vehicles, so having those kinds of

[8:48] the capacity to charge those vehicles on our campuses is probably a direction which

[8:52] should be heading regardless, but especially if we have a move in the direction of going

[8:58] electric vehicles in some circumstances, I think it certainly is a distinct possibility we

[9:02] should explore.

[9:04] And the rest of the world, right now, I didn't see a part of our auto factories in this country,

[9:09] They're going to be on a business soon because China is taking over the whole world with their EVs,

[9:14] they're cheap, and they're really amazing.

[9:16] You start looking at some of the videos of them, and they're lying to Canada now all over the world.

[9:20] They're taking the market.

[9:21] We're going no place, you know, as we have more guests in the power cars here in this country.

[9:27] So, I see it's been a future in the world, you know, this is where it's all gone, you know.

[9:31] In Norway, 95% of all cars sold, you're now fully electric, so it's a, we're so far behind.

[9:38] Wow.

[9:41] Do we currently have the ability to charge an EV anywhere on any of our campuses?

[9:49] Other than the adapters that goes into them?

[9:53] I don't like to do that.

[9:53] Anything that would need to be charged or probably have to be two of regular sort of one-tellable,

[9:58] which is what I mean, one-tellable, which would take a really long time.

[10:02] So no, and it is something, you know, separate for my only electric vehicle, I've been thinking about that and thinking about, you know, we're might be put that, some of this came across my mind, you know, as, as the LVVEC has been heavily investing in electric school buses, and, you know, while the garage is very close here, and we'll for him, you know, the last, you know, having some capacity to do some charging with, with those, you know, provides some flexibility to support.

[10:32] of him in that as well.

[10:35] I'm not terribly enthusiastic about

[10:41] that.

[10:41] Much more enthusiastic about us buying

[10:43] mage, I'm

[10:48] not the jury or excuse.

[10:49] Yeah, most of us have some challenges

[10:51] just because of their size and weight,

[10:53] it can be a little challenging for them to be super efficient.

[10:55] I think for, you know, more in the bus runs, they're great.

[10:58] I think when you start thinking about like the field trips

[11:01] and those things, it gets a little more challenging

[11:03] because they just don't have quite the range

[11:06] that is a little easier to achieve.

[11:09] you know, more.

[11:11] Stins, I was, you know, vehicle, you know, been cars stuck up there.

[11:17] Also, this is speak out loud in that.

[11:20] You know, you have our time finding bus drivers, do you not?

[11:24] It's still pretty difficult to bus companies.

[11:26] But I was out of national park, and they had the shuttle buses going around.

[11:29] This is out of yellow sun stuff.

[11:31] And they were electric drivers.

[11:34] No drivers. They wouldn't stop and pick people up to them to the next stop, you know,

[11:39] Center, so this is the future.

[11:41] I hope to worry about finding the bus or had your sitting before it.

[11:45] And I'll be on time, and so this is looking down the road.

[11:48] They didn't have, they weren't like a yellow school bus.

[11:51] I don't know, these are probably, if I go up 30 people at a time, 20 people may be,

[11:55] you know, like one of those little things you take from the airport.

[11:58] Like what you take from your car to the airport shuttle, the rental shuttle places.

[12:04] I wonder what the public comments would be like.

[12:06] It's a school committee meeting.

[12:07] You take start sending buses without drivers on them.

[12:09] They've got to think of the kids and their houses.

[12:12] Now the question is, do you have discipline?

[12:14] Now you're going to have to get one of those obvious robots to discipline the kids.

[12:20] That could be true.

[12:24] So when I went to this policy, it looked fine to me.

[12:28] I agree with you, Rich.

[12:30] The definition of fuel efficient is generous.

[12:35] But I mean, it's a policy, right?

[12:37] You know, he said, he said, he said the bar, oh no, he had over it, and then, you know,

[12:41] once you over that, then maybe you can raise the bar later.

[12:44] The only question I have, so there's the definitions, right?

[12:48] Definitions of drive systems.

[12:51] I don't see any electric or hybrid drive systems in the definitions, do they need to be?

[12:57] I mean, I see that this definitions, that in the policy was really, it was copied out of the,

[13:03] notice from green communities, right? It's just part of the parcel. And they also didn't have

[13:09] any definition of electric vehicle or hybrid, and I guess maybe it doesn't need to be there,

[13:16] but I don't think it's the only question I have when I look at the post.

[13:20] Yeah, because they're concerned with gas or diesel, it would put fuel vehicles, and being fuel

[13:29] with regard to those, I think that any purchase of electric vehicle is immediately satisfied

[13:36] as the requirement. It also could be, you know, the periodically updating these.

[13:44] If you look at those sort of attachment, it says revised score 11, 2025.

[13:51] It's interesting that they haven't included something to that of that, just to say,

[13:55] all that could be rules, you know, qualifies as an appropriate sense of what you're doing.

[14:01] But I did set some places, all in the end, and I just qualify.

[14:06] Yeah.

[14:06] One of those sentences, something says they read you, and I thought, yeah, I think in the policy

[14:11] or in the longer path that you read, whatever, in something I read, I think we got sent

[14:16] to these in the test.

[14:17] Okay.

[14:18] Said something that all of these and, you know, I get all the big things, all of these,

[14:22] I think I believe remember reading it somewhere as well.

[14:27] I'm trying to,

[14:33] but there's the policy and then there was the much longer document from

[14:51] several places it says.

[14:54] If

[14:57] it's an impractor.

[15:01] What's the M tractable? I mean, if the vehicle is going to be short, that's going to cost us to reduce the budget from what else.

[15:12] That's not practical.

[15:13] Is that going to end down track or something?

[15:15] I think that the real idea with that running of the language is to, you know, allow you to operate in circumstances of my shortage.

[15:29] So if you can't give a vehicle that's fuel efficient,

[15:33] but you need to have one to do what a task it is,

[15:37] that's a reasonable, I think it's the practicality of it,

[15:40] that they're talking about is that you still need to operate

[15:43] your case-cooled district.

[15:46] So if it's not reasonable to get a vehicle

[15:50] of fuel efficient vehicle and say the time frame that you need

[15:53] in, that's a reason that you can bypass the policy.

[15:57] But I think it's, you know, I'm not sure the legal definition of that.

[16:03] So it's sort of up to us to determine whether or not that's, you know,

[16:08] that piece of thing matter or needs to be superseded.

[16:14] It's rare in our circumstance that we have that little emergency around the vehicle.

[16:19] And it's, you know, so I would think it'd be unlikely that we would need to have that exemption.

[16:25] 100

[16:33] % of the vehicle charging is 10% of the solar power, so that's something else you think of that charge in here

[16:38] in the places and solar panels on top and looking for charging vehicles for the sun and we save our fuel costs.

[16:45] A lot of ways to go in that.

[16:47] People also have several gocurs.

[16:53] They are four real vehicles.

[16:54] I have to mention them.

[16:57] Are they included in this?

[17:00] Have they mostly electric already?

[17:02] I don't know.

[17:02] Some are, some are, some are more, if we have, some of the maintenance vehicles are ones that, that are smaller, consider tractors actually,

[17:16] so they may be excluded because they're considered more of a utility vehicle separate from transportation purposes, so that might also be an exception.

[17:28] But again, it's on replacement, so I think the opportunities and options available to us

[17:33] are going to continue to expand over the coming years, so I think we'll look for reasons

[17:40] to bypass the policy. We're going to look for reasons to in ways we can satisfy the policy

[17:46] as we try to purchase for a place we'd be able to. So, you know, I think those the market

[17:52] for those is changing and getting better all the time. And so I think that our options are going

[17:57] get better and be easier for us to comply with the policy as time goes on, but I'm not

[18:04] 100% certain on that. Once a little smaller kind of tractor type equipment, whether it

[18:10] is internet out, it's probably excluded. But again, the options are getting better all the

[18:17] time.

[18:18] I found that since we were looking at underneath this chart right here, yes, it's high grid

[18:24] or electric vehicles in these vehicle classes will meet these criteria.

[18:28] Can we bring these copybacks on the boat?

[18:42] The class.

[18:49] Like there's your driver in all the ground.

[18:54] That list right here is so low.

[18:56] Poor wheel drive van over 20 miles per gallon.

[19:00] Yeah.

[19:00] And I didn't include that in part because the other examples.

[19:06] But also because there's a formula that utilizes to do the calculation.

[19:10] And this is based on 2019, the A-Data, so that's probably evolving, and there's numbers

[19:19] going to go up.

[19:21] So maybe just include the sentence after the formula for calculating the fuel efficiency

[19:27] there.

[19:28] So just retracing a little bit the say, I read electric vehicles, hybrid or electric vehicles,

[19:37] We'll be considered to meet criteria.

[19:47] The reason the policy doesn't have the actual sort of numbers is because it theoretically

[19:54] is getting updated all the time in the new policies, you know, perpetually needing a

[19:57] adjustment.

[19:58] So by referencing the sort of product of the EVA data, et cetera, then you've got to have

[20:07] a great policy.

[20:08] There

[20:13] was also a section in there about modifying the occult,

[20:20] you know, switching to the propane or something

[20:25] that doesn't allow them to be occult to pilot.

[20:31] My curiosity is the vocational schools around the area.

[20:37] Are they equipped that would be some kind of modifications?

[20:47] I can speak to electric.

[20:49] I know that the occasional schools I'm familiar with in the area do not go near electric for safety reasons.

[20:56] not sure about modifications to propane or other forms of fossil fuel.

[21:05] But the high voltage is a safety concern that gets

[21:18] sitting making a motion to accept it.

[21:22] And move to accept the policy, as written, with the changes made that we discussed about it, and it's being added.

[21:30] Second, all those in favor?

[21:32] I, I, any opposed,

[21:37] it's a response to the Galaxy and was that hard to understand?

[21:41] This is our whole agenda.

[21:46] So we have the need to make another policy meeting right now,

[21:49] or we will leave it open for when we need to realize this.

[21:54] And I'm seeing policies that need immediate updating right now.

[22:05] Who closed the paper?

[22:09] We are adjourned.

[22:10] That's it.

[22:11] That's it.

[22:12] Five, four, eight.

HWRSD Policy Subcommittee - 9-10-26

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