[0:00] What's important? What's not important? So we bow with me. Creator who made us all some of them were in doubt about. We thank you for life itself, we thank you for the beauty of the earth, we thank you for the rain that falls. We thank you so much for the opportunity to serve this community, we pray this day to give us discernment and wisdom that we might rule rightly.

[0:31] favor of the people with Hayes County, the words of our mouths and the meditation of our hearts

[0:37] being separate with you, a Lord, our rock, and our Redeemer. Amen. Amen. Now, the splendid.

[0:46] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

[0:52] I want to make sure that we got individual with liberty and justice for all of us outside.

[1:01] I play at least the Texas.

[1:04] What I want to say about one and in this one.

[1:07] Please be seated. You want to please call a role.

[1:10] Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Joe. Mr. Conley.

[1:15] Mr. Mr. Wissley.

[1:18] Mr. Wissley.

[1:22] Mr. Jones, I'm going to ask you to do this, sir.

[1:25] Thank you.

[1:26] First, open it.

[1:27] Presentation to the Commission's Court about the Texas Brigades Program.

[1:31] You have the floor.

[1:32] Thank you, Judge.

[1:32] I appreciate the court.

[1:34] Today, we have, right, excuse me, Cooper Moore.

[1:37] He's a, this is his third.

[1:41] I think this is your third year to present to our court.

[1:43] Yes, sir.

[1:43] Were you in sixth grade the first year?

[1:45] Yes, sir.

[1:46] And he's still in sixth grade.

[1:47] But we have a lot of hard four years, there's a long four years

[1:52] for him, but he's a first-minute Hayes High School.

[1:56] He's a sophomore, he's just good.

[1:59] He's a sophomore, Hayes High School.

[2:01] He's also the great grandson of Judge Holt, who was

[2:04] our J.P. in Calvary years, and both of his other granddad

[2:07] circle city councils, and he's got a long line of service in

[2:14] the Hayes County.

[2:15] He's going to run and give you that time.

[2:17] He might have been filled with spite of one time.

[2:20] And sometimes he'd be a good county commissioner.

[2:22] I promise you that.

[2:22] Welcome.

[2:23] He'd be good at whatever he sets his mind to.

[2:25] Some Cooper.

[2:26] It's all yours.

[2:27] Thank you.

[2:28] So this year I attended another Texas Brigades this time over

[2:32] Wow.

[2:33] Waterfowl.

[2:37] So this is kind of the same.

[2:40] They go throughout the week.

[2:42] Anyone can count the season and apple.

[2:44] But no one can count the apples and the seeds.

[2:47] Once you get there, you're putting the flots, so you're not going through out there.

[2:52] It's kind of like a classroom, you don't go out through the whole camp in one big group,

[2:57] so everyone learns anything.

[2:59] You get into groups of five or six where you can go through the camp and everyone gets a chance

[3:04] to do it.

[3:05] You go through different rotations where you're all getting hands on with all the instructors.

[3:10] This camp is actually a very hands-on camp, you don't get left out.

[3:15] So it is a five day wildlife leadership camp. It's opened to students, 13 to 17. The cost is $500.

[3:24] But scholarships are available. I got a scholarship from the Hayes County soil and water conservation group.

[3:30] It's held in June, July, so it is kind of hot when you get there, but it's worth the heat going. It's so much fun.

[3:38] And then there's last year there are seven camps, now there's eight camps across the state of Texas.

[3:44] I've gone to the South Texas Buckskin and the Valley, the Rolling Plains and Coleman Bob

[3:50] Library Gate, and then the Water Farm Tennessee Colony, and next year I'm hoping to

[3:54] go either to the Galveston Coastal Brigade or the Bass Brigade.

[4:00] These are the, without these partners, the Brigades wouldn't be possible.

[4:07] So, plan ID, throughout the whole week, we learned different plans as I say every year.

[4:13] If I didn't have this camp, I would think grasses, grass, trees, or trees, or bushes,

[4:17] a bush, a bush.

[4:18] But at this camp, you thoroughly go through every single plant in your, as you can tell

[4:23] in the bottom picture there, in the water, they, you get, they provide you

[4:27] waiters and you get out in the water and you're, on, in the water, picking plants,

[4:32] you take them back to the lodge and you do quizzes over them all week.

[4:36] You get every day of our session, you go over all plants and everything you learn.

[4:42] a lot of stuff. So wildlife and journal. At these camps, as you can tell it's kind of the sun is starting to come up.

[4:52] They told me not to say this because it kind of detours people, but I'm not going to sugarcoat it. This camp, you go to bed at 1 o'clock in the morning and wake up at 4 o'clock.

[5:00] It is a very, as they say, it's not your usual summer camp. It's your, they don't have enough time in the whole five days if you go to bed at say nine o'clock and wake up, 10 o'clock. They don't have enough time in those hours to fit all the fun, learning stuff into it.

[5:19] And most of the mornings you do marching I'll explain later on in the presentation, but in this picture you can tell they're looking out all over the Trinity River.

[5:29] And one of the mornings you go out right before the sun comes up and you sit out there for a good hour and a half to hours just looking at all getting to enjoy what property you're on watching all the wildlife wake up all the morning birds and geese making all their sounds waking up moving.

[5:46] And it's just a beautiful sight to go sit out and look over the Trinity River.

[5:52] So firearms and shooting most people will say y'all are 13 to 17 year olds. Y'all shouldn't be shooting guns y'all are too young. That's dangerous.

[6:01] It is dangerous, but under circumstances, certain circumstances. At these camps, you have touch top notch shooting instructors, range masters.

[6:11] And if you mess up, they have a vehicle for you to go back to the lodge and you will not come back to the shivering

[6:17] They do not mess around because they don't want anyone getting hurt at these camps

[6:22] So we are shouldn't team building

[6:25] At this camp when I first out there I'm like, I don't know anyone

[6:29] I don't really trust y'all, but by the end of the week you made

[6:33] I made three of us, three of us friends at this camp

[6:35] I haven't seen them really because one lives in four words one lives down on the coast and one lives

[6:40] a little west of Houston and you build your leadership and everything you can tell the bottom

[6:48] picture where they're putting them through the rope. I kind of had to really trust my team

[6:54] because I'm a 240 pound kid and all the people on my team were about the size of my friend Jake here

[6:59] and I kind of was like I don't trust y'all lifting me five feet off the ground through all these

[7:03] ropes but you have to they got me through and you just have to trust and build a bond between

[7:10] all your teams.

[7:13] So try folks. I have sadly don't have mine. Mine has fallen apart from all

[7:18] the heat. I have to re-glue it, but try folks are just throughout the week you go over so many

[7:24] different things you can get a tri-fold and make over information. I did mine over the good

[7:31] the bag and ugly, over invasive species and plants, the best food that the ducks like to eat,

[7:37] the worst ones they don't want to eat, and the ones if they don't have the good ones then

[7:41] they'll kind of settle for it.

[7:44] So this is the part about marching I'll stop them up.

[7:47] Some people go, oh, that's discipline.

[7:49] Why do they make it a march?

[7:50] I look at it as something to build a team spirit.

[7:54] You get together and you all have to march and say,

[7:56] cancees in all together.

[7:58] So it's kind of a team building thing.

[8:00] But then also it's the first thing you do when you wake up.

[8:02] So it's a kind of way for you to get out there,

[8:04] start screaming, yelling, and waking up in the morning.

[8:07] So you're ready to face today.

[8:11] So public speaking, I actually,

[8:13] I wouldn't be up here if it wasn't for this public speak. I used to be so nervous to get up in front of crowds. I would

[8:19] probably be standing over in the corner or something, you know, this is the Texas Regate.

[8:25] But at these camps they bring out news reporters and everything and you do, as you can tell they're doing mock interviews.

[8:31] We actually did a mock interview that they actually turned in and published through a newspaper and it's actually out there.

[8:38] you all want to look at it to text us all outdoors.com and you can just go to that newspaper

[8:42] and there's a video over the whole camp and I'm actually in it giving us speech.

[8:49] So this is the big brigades motto, as I told you earlier, it's a very hands-on camp.

[8:53] Tell me how to get it, show me how to remember and follow me on your stand.

[8:57] That's basically saying, they don't just tell you and they don't just show you.

[9:00] They will involve you, you get very hands-on, though the instructors kind of step back and

[9:06] say, I need that plant pick to go grab it for me.

[9:09] They don't really do much. You're all hands-in.

[9:13] So critical thinking.

[9:15] As you can tell right there, he has a two displayed on the floor.

[9:20] And then you can see all the different objects he has.

[9:23] And he tells us, I'm emptying my pockets.

[9:26] I'm displaying all these objects out.

[9:28] What number am I thinking?

[9:30] We set there for 35 minutes.

[9:32] Looking at the objects trying to think of a number,

[9:34] not knowing he's sitting there going like that.

[9:36] And he just explained, you always have to think outside the box and look, find out you're

[9:41] surroundings and I think one of us after 45 minutes finally saw he was holding the number

[9:46] two out.

[9:49] So hunting ethics. This, we unfortunately didn't get to do this part because the

[9:54] Gabe Morton was caught up in a case that he couldn't come out to. But all it is is,

[10:00] Basically showing us hunting ethics as in like, if you see a dove or something in a tree, don't shoot it. That's not fair chase. If you see a deer, bedded down, don't shoot it. Still not fair chase. You didn't give it a chance to run.

[10:14] I didn't know about that rule. There's a hug of you.

[10:20] They always tell us it's not against the law, but I just don't think it's really fair.

[10:25] And then kind of just friendly competition throughout the whole week, you're marching, shooting and all that.

[10:30] You do different competitions and at the end of the week, they all add up your score and whoever has the highest score gets off to go on a top hurricane, back at the Trinity River for Waterfowl.

[10:43] We sadly, my group got last place because we didn't have the brightest people on our team, but last year at Buckskin, I was looking up to win this off her fund and go to Freeer Texas.

[10:53] for an amazing white-tailed heart.

[10:58] As I was saying, it's very hands-on, you can tell there's no instructors, and either

[11:05] there's an instructor there, but he's just looking at the duck.

[11:09] You have this scalpel and everything dissecting the duck, learning all its organs, you pull

[11:14] it out, and you, your very hands-on, you learn everything about the duck, all the instructors

[11:20] do is tell you where to cut, so you don't cut everything up, but you are the one cutting

[11:26] into it, pulling everything out and learning all the organs and everything.

[11:32] So this part was actually pretty fun, this is a Yagi antenna and they put a little receiver,

[11:39] it's probably a little bit smaller than this remote around the ducks neck, but it was just

[11:43] a duck decoy.

[11:44] And about 10 o'clock at night, they gave us those receivers and we had it so we couldn't

[11:48] see them, we had to go out in the pitch flat with that receiver and try to find our duck

[11:53] and they buried them deep into brush and all that.

[11:57] That was probably the funnest thing we did because it was really cool and not so hot outside.

[12:04] So have a talk about your machine.

[12:05] As you can tell, this lady right here has a clipboard and what we do is they sit there and

[12:12] you go through all the habitat and if it has not much water then you give it a one for

[12:17] very poor, if it has evasive species, you give it a one for not good, food or shelter firm.

[12:24] And then at the end you go through and you add all those up in whatever number you get, I'm

[12:29] pretty sure if it's below 10, then it's a poor habitat and if it was above 20, then that's

[12:34] the perfect habitat, you don't want to do anything to that one.

[12:38] So this is for the information about the gates, they're a phone member and their website.

[12:44] Any questions?

[12:45] Cooper, thank you.

[12:46] Thank you.

[12:47] are you going to Santa Ana next year? I'm going to try go to the bus or the coastal

[12:53] brigade, whichever one they expect me to. How many kids can get can go to this?

[12:59] They usually pick about 30, 35, and they limit to the number.

[13:07] Well that's wonderful. You hit my thing to say, of course, you did a good job and I

[13:10] think we can all tell the difference over the 30 years how much better you've gotten

[13:13] making this presentation. You're doing a great job. Thank you.

[13:16] The only thing I would say that hunting ethics does not apply to feral columns, though.

[13:22] No, no.

[13:23] Well, if you really want to be ethical, you have a knife only in this water.

[13:27] We're running down.

[13:28] Well, I wanted that echo, Mr. Jones, as comments, you could really see the development Cooper,

[13:33] and that's great, but you should be very proud of yourself and your colleagues and whoever

[13:38] those, those, those, the general people we, people are in regards to their feelings and comments

[13:46] about firearm safety and training and, as you well know, it's actually the exact opposite

[13:51] those that aren't familiar with firearms and those that do have that here based off ignorance

[13:58] is the liability to safety and ultimately to our second amendment rights.

[14:06] So I applaud you for what you're doing and all the kids are involved and thank you for being here today.

[14:13] Thank y'all for letting me tell you. Thank you.

[14:15] Thank you.

[14:23] This is my first day in my brother rainy.

[14:26] Welcome.

[14:26] If y'all mind if I get a big picture with y'all tomorrow?

[14:28] No, come on out.

[14:50] Let's take a closer look.

[14:53] Everybody look this way and smile.

[14:56] He's smiling.

[15:10] Thank

[15:13] you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[15:25] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[15:25] As a former averageist in my life I say that August 15th to the first for Austin's ragweed season in the

[15:33] County soap. When it dries up in the sun shines and the wind blows, ragged with

[15:38] these here.

[15:41] So, Cooper may call it bubbly, but the name is ragged with giant ragged

[15:46] soap. That's when you want to be invoiting milk and mint because those two foods cross

[15:52] react. A little pearl for you. The worst thing you need is that you're a peppermint

[15:58] hatty. Second pack has them on the counter every where they have a store. Okay, now we come

[16:06] Public comment now Matt you can either speak in public comment or you can speak when we open the item. You want to speak when they open it

[16:16] Well, no you really can't do that because it's read in it's hard, so you can use your three minutes and public comment

[16:23] Are you can speak on an item 12 which way you want it?

[16:28] Okay, all right, then public comment is now open

[16:32] Just open would you like to take that?

[16:34] Tell us what you're going to, what you're going to talk about and also,

[16:43] you're speaking

[16:48] on, to that in a second, comment time and budget, okay?

[16:50] Go ahead.

[16:51] Yeah, okay, first of all, I wanted to speak on item 12, of course, the issue is more debt.

[16:59] Quite frankly, I've come to the realization that arguing the merits of dedication and

[17:04] government circles is pretty much the Einstein's definition of insanity, but I am concerned

[17:12] about just dead in general. There's a reason why Susan Cones, her last year's in office,

[17:18] made that a central issue in her office, an issue in a lot of reports concerning local debt,

[17:24] and I think if we push this thing north of the half a billion dollars or six hundred million

[17:28] dollars, I don't know that we'll ever call out that whole. So I am concerned about that. Once

[17:33] get a not arguing in the merit. Also, on the three-minute time limit, of course, now,

[17:39] being told I can't do politics and makes it even more onerous, I think it's disrespectful.

[17:43] With all due respect to the court, I think it's disrespectful. First of all, you set

[17:48] your courts at a time when most people can't be here. We have to throw a foot or sacrifice

[17:53] out of the things that are locked in here during this time, and then you're going to give

[17:56] us three minutes. But then you go on a campaign show and you say, you work for us. Well, I

[18:00] company and I don't let my employees dictate to me how long I'm going to talk to them and I just

[18:06] feel that that's hypocritical and I wish I'll deport review that. My old county didn't have a

[18:11] time limit and I don't think I'll should either. But you compare to them. One of the things that

[18:16] I would like to see I'll put me on this budget and I may be speaking out of school here but I'd like

[18:20] to see I'll do it with the person of light counties. You go five or ten counties below you in population,

[18:25] five or ten counties above you in population, take your total budget numbers, publish that in your

[18:30] because I think that I think our numbers are quite frankly there a little bit out of

[18:35] a kilter with some of the like size counties and again I didn't like this on the paper

[18:40] but if you indulge me once again I want to address the Central Postal District because I heard

[18:44] some stuff online about you know some comments made here in the court that just quite frankly

[18:49] I'm not accurate. The Postal District does not waste access. Y'all waste access. Y'all

[18:54] know it's actually key types of saying. Catboard has nothing to do with it. Period in the story

[18:58] And I was delighted here, State Representative Jason Isaac, a few months ago at a presentation

[19:03] talk about the Fox Garden and the Henhouse when it comes to having local elected officials

[19:09] served in the Central Paisal District Board Directors.

[19:11] Thank God, there's finally an elected official who's saying, yeah, I've been saying that for

[19:15] 10 years.

[19:16] Once again, I'm not going to say that there's any, any nefarious acting going on there.

[19:20] I have no evidence of that, but there are 190,000 soldiers in this county, I think we can

[19:26] on someone other than elected officials to fill those six or seven positions, a matter

[19:30] of fact, I'm with a million of the service.

[19:32] So if you all want to consider me next time, I'll be glad to come up here to tell you

[19:35] my background with the Texas Public Tax Code and what I've accomplished in those regards.

[19:40] And I'll thank you all for your time, thanks.

[19:41] Thank you, man.

[19:43] I forgot to set your timer, so you actually had five minutes.

[19:47] Oh, I'm here.

[19:49] Being lenient.

[19:53] Okay, the next we have Mr. Barber Hoppsons.

[20:03] On item 13, yes, ma'am. Then we have David Crowell. David, would you like to speak now?

[20:11] Yes, sir. David Crowell, I just represent myself. I very much appreciate your story this morning, Judge, about the soup and the need to get to the facts in order to make decisions. That's why I'm here to basically speak about this morning.

[20:22] I'm not just big about a past-run finance in this morning.

[20:26] I've heard many people, including yourselves, describe this past-run finance arrangement

[20:30] as a great deal.

[20:31] This past-run finance arrangement basically puts the cost of hurting the bill's certain state

[20:35] road projects onto the backs of the citizens of our county.

[20:39] This is done with the state's promise to pay a portion of it back to us over the next 20

[20:44] some odd years.

[20:45] I'd like to take a minute to let you know that some of us have a different view of this

[20:48] arrangement that never seems to reach the public's ear.

[20:51] What we are not told is that the county taxpayers are borrowing money today to pay for

[20:57] records that we do not own.

[20:59] We are not told the taxpayers are immediately having to pay interest on the money we have

[21:04] to borrow.

[21:05] We are not told that we do not earn interest on the portion that the state owes us back.

[21:10] I've reached the conclusion that so far the amount the state is paying us back is not enough

[21:14] to cover our annual interest on the debt we taxpayers have incurred to build these roads.

[21:19] With this new bond issue it's on the horizon I wanted to get this message out, but first I wanted to make sure my assessment was accurate, so I put together a schedule based on your published document's title statement of indebtedness.

[21:33] I made an appointment to meet with a county auditor to confirm that. Two of us met with Mr. Hosog and his assistant, July.

[21:39] During that meeting Mr. Hosog confirmed my conclusion. Both of us who request that meeting will be happy to provide this court with sworn affidators to that effect if you'd like.

[21:48] Last week, several of us met with commissioners Jones and Engels be to discuss some of the projects in the upcoming proposed roadbinds.

[21:56] During that meeting, the past three findings that came up in the concept of the current re-isbursements,

[22:01] not being enough to cover the interest was brought up.

[22:03] To my surprise, Commissioner Engels would be said the auditor told her that claim was not true.

[22:08] I was shocked to say the least.

[22:10] Therefore, I've put together the schedule I'm providing to you this morning.

[22:14] It is based on public documents from the county's website, as well as an additional document Mr.

[22:19] Hursard provided me during our earlier meeting.

[22:23] The three numbers in bold at the bottom of the page is what I'd like to focus on.

[22:27] The first number, 22.3 million, is the interest expense on these past-through bonds for the

[22:32] period 2011 through 2015.

[22:35] The second number is 13.7 million, which is the debt service from the past-through revenue

[22:40] from the same period.

[22:41] Both of these numbers are from your published document titled Hayes County Statement of

[22:46] Identities.

[22:47] As you can see, this certainly supports a conclusion that not enough money has come in from

[22:51] the state to even cover the interest on the bonds.

[22:54] Furthermore, Mr. Herzog provided me with a document showing that total received from the

[23:00] state on a project by project basis.

[23:02] As you can see, that schedule indicates more money has been received from the state than has been used

[23:06] to service the debt.

[23:07] But more importantly, that amount is still less than the interest on the past through bonds.

[23:13] Now, you have the specific detail of how I arrived at my conclusion.

[23:17] I would hope to court with now request for Mr. Herzog, the documentation he relied on,

[23:22] to support his comment to Commissioner Enkelsby.

[23:25] In summary, I find it of significant concern that I specific request to meet with Mr. Herzog to confirm my assumption.

[23:32] have him agree that I've reached a valid conclusion and now have him telling at least one

[23:37] commission that I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, show. If I'm right, admit. Thank you, court. Thank you.

[23:47] Okay, and I only have one other, this hopster wants to speak on item 13 when it's item is open.

[23:53] So, public comment is, you know, close. Thank you, what this is for your testimony.

[24:02] Okay, if it pleases the court, I want to open item number 10, I'd encourage it to

[24:07] belong for them.

[24:08] There are here in the court room.

[24:11] Item number 10, approve and confirm the appointments of Alice Flores and Greg Gumbels as

[24:17] Deputy Constables and Michael Varella as reserved deputy in the Hayes County Constable

[24:23] Precinct one office.

[24:25] But those ladies and gentlemen, please come forward.

[24:36] David doesn't have an employee at the month because they don't stay there long.

[24:42] I don't judge Judge Scott Feinke in Commissioner Inglesby, Mr. Jones Commissioner

[24:48] with Matt and Commissioner Conneye appreciate this moment of getting

[24:53] given the time for these three fine deputy constables to be sworn in.

[25:00] By you. Unfortunately, April 4th, April 4th, March 8th, too, which is really good, and we're happy to, well, that's good.

[25:10] I think a piece of Joe's will be really happy with the, we did research on all three 50 hospitals.

[25:18] As for us as a full toy, deputy constable, very robust is to micro roles coming on as a reserve and we want to welcome them.

[25:32] But a little by your order, right on them, I'd appreciate it just for a whole time and their families are here too.

[25:37] If you don't mind if they come up also and stand behind their spouses, not at all.

[25:46] Well, this has been a live concern, and this is great,

[25:51] wife, and it's done.

[25:53] Deputy, I'm going to swear you in,

[25:55] formally, appear on the day,

[25:56] and we'll get a picture at the end here, too,

[25:58] with your family and everybody.

[26:01] Our source is a proud mother of two young girls

[26:04] and proud wife of a husband.

[26:06] He was a veteran, and also works in law enforcement.

[26:09] He is also employed with B.K.

[26:12] Please support me.

[26:13] Alice is a Hayes County resident in Kyle.

[26:17] Alice is enjoys her time with her family as her spare time, and she enjoys playing soccer.

[26:25] While in court, her life was the greatest start with Sen. Angela, please.

[26:29] Academy, where she is, was she attended and completed in 2010.

[26:33] She has worked for Austin Community College. Please support that.

[26:37] She also has worked for VK Police Department in 2012.

[26:41] I was turned to our immediate peace officer's license in 2015 and at this time, she gave

[26:49] 24 years of B.K. which was really great.

[26:53] We welcome Alex to Hayes County Chiefs Station, out of the courthouse, I think I would like

[27:00] that, so we will be working security patrol and civil process.

[27:07] Greg Romos is a family man, Greg has been at H. Sky Residence, it's 1993. His family

[27:15] comes from the commoner family, which is great aunt and needs for a partner who has

[27:22] had an elementary school, a ranch, a hill elementary, and beauty. Greg is married. This

[27:34] This is why.

[27:36] Who watched the University of Texas, she's been there for 29 years, where he has one

[27:41] son, and a daughter, who built the Tanjaxi Hayes High School, his son, which is 16, a junior

[27:48] high school.

[27:50] Hayes?

[27:51] Hayes?

[27:52] Yes?

[27:57] Okay.

[27:58] class of Austin PD. In April 1991, Greg has worked with a sense that not only

[28:07] police department, he has a total of 20 years combined law enforcement. We

[28:13] welcome Greg. Greg has has been a result of that for over three years. And we

[28:21] welcome that. Greg is going to be working once civil process and anything else

[28:27] County might have coming up. He will be working also on two states all day, every day basically

[28:36] on a Tuesday at the courthouse. So until from 10 a.m. until 8 p.m. on two states. So welcome.

[28:45] Thank you. Michael, Michael was born and raised in South Austin. His career started with

[28:52] This county is a single pair, one son, two daughters, his son is 27, and he has a 24-year-old

[28:59] daughter.

[29:01] His daughter is in a pocket, pocket school, Travis County.

[29:09] She played soccer.

[29:12] And to run his track, Michael stayed very busy with his family.

[29:16] There's a law enforcement career, a couple of area planning and council regional training

[29:22] academy started in 1995 and he was a Travis County constable for a place in four, which

[29:32] he also worked for a lightweight heels in 2008 and retired February of 2016, likely will

[29:43] reserve with the Constables Office, and we'll have multiple duties.

[30:00] The rest of the three of them will come up, we'll come out, and okay, up here, just the deputy's first, the slam and the gentleman, we're getting to work.

[30:59] have been full confidence.

[31:03] So, here by.

[31:06] But they can send it on both the measures court of haste county.

[31:12] Realize that I'm a point.

[31:14] I'd say I'm a point.

[31:17] For your true and awful deputy.

[31:20] In your name.

[31:22] In your name.

[31:23] Places did.

[31:29] to do before me and all acts and things pertaining to the office of cost of the freezing

[31:37] floor.

[31:43] This is weird.

[31:49] You promised to uphold the consequences of the state of Texas and the United States.

[31:54] I don't know if it's to the best of your ability.

[31:57] So it has to be done.

[31:58] Congratulations.

[32:01] Thank you.

[32:07] Thank you.

[32:08] Thank you.

[32:09] Thank you.

[32:11] I say these people around the county and now they're part of it.

[32:16] So welcome.

[32:17] A lot of force would be so important.

[32:20] And David has a wonderful cadre of

[32:22] Let's jump in, as you can see, and welcome to all of y'all.

[32:28] Why don't we take a picture with family members when our child comes forward?

[32:32] We take pictures.

[32:34] Actually, it's an afternoon.

[32:40] As if, as if military officers,

[32:43] I always fear, thinking, you know,

[32:45] Metals and honors all five people.

[32:48] I lost them.

[32:49] So, I'm gonna let them do all that.

[33:06] That's what I'm supposed to say.

[33:11] Just for fun.

[33:19] David, when you get to you for a full of things and bad things, it's time to retire.

[33:24] Yeah, that's good.

[33:27] That's good.

[33:27] Let's get a picture of them by themselves.

[33:31] Please arrange, and then we'll get family and everybody.

[33:34] Do you want to write a book to a book?

[33:36] I don't want to write a book.

[33:38] Yeah, come on up, board.

[33:40] don't go a little busy.

[33:46] You spend so much time on your hair so you look so busy.

[33:51] Everybody look this way and smile. Smile.

[33:59] Okay.

[33:59] I'll get

[34:04] out of the way.

[34:22] Okay, everybody look this way and smile.

[34:35] You give us a picture of all of this in the hand.

[34:38] Like outside of the hand.

[34:39] I think I'm not sure if I'm going to put it on the floor.

[34:46] Do you have to get one finally and then one to decide.

[34:50] Thank you.

[34:56] Greg and Michael, thank you so much for being willing to serve the people of these camps.

[35:02] Thank you so much.

[35:12] Yes. We're going to vote it separately. The motion is to appoint those three deputies.

[35:19] Second, please call roll.

[35:21] I'm going to make a motion.

[35:25] Mr. Convoy?

[35:27] Yes.

[35:27] Mr. English speaker?

[35:28] Yes. Mr. Wizard.

[35:29] Yes. Mr. Jones?

[35:31] Yes.

[35:32] Thank you, Court, for a while.

[35:33] I had indulgence.

[35:34] Thank you so much.

[35:35] Now let's move on to the consent items.

[35:38] Please open two, three, five.

[35:43] Number two, approve payment to county invoices.

[35:46] Number three, approve Mr. Court minutes of August 9, 2016.

[35:49] Number four, there's a number of existing contracts for IIT-2015-B-10, the motion

[35:56] oils for one additional here.

[36:00] Number five, ordered the general election to be held on November 8, 2016 in

[36:05] case counting taxes for the purpose of electing the county and free seat officers as

[36:10] required by article 16, 16, 16, section 65 of the Texas Constitution.

[36:16] next question.

[36:18] Sir.

[36:19] Question 2.

[36:20] An amendment.

[36:22] This is Peter.

[36:23] Question 3.

[36:23] This is Carl Row.

[36:24] Question 4.

[36:26] Question 4.

[36:27] Question 5.

[36:29] Question 22.

[36:33] Question 7.

[36:34] Please call role.

[36:40] Question 1.

[36:42] Question 2.

[36:43] Question 2.

[36:43] Question 7.

[36:45] Question 2.

[36:46] Question 2.

[36:46] and Melissa Benia to Chicago Eleanor to attend the CIS manager training regarding the U.C.I.S.

[36:53] CAD system.

[36:55] Number seven, authorized county judge to accept an execute service agreement renewal with Aperus

[37:00] for the victim information and notification every day program for up to 27,750 dollars

[37:07] and 32 cents.

[37:09] Number eight, authorized county judge to accept an execute a maintenance contract

[37:13] from the office of the Attorney General for Statewide Prime Victim Notification Services and the amount of $27,000, $1,750 and $32,000.

[37:23] Number nine, approval to hold an online auction when they base auctioneers to dispose of surplus property pursuant to Texas Local Government Code 263.152

[37:35] and authorised purchasing to advertise auction will start August with 18 and end September 1.

[37:41] Some of the motion, a second, any further discussion,

[37:49] I noticed that we are sending three

[37:52] of our people to Chicago for the CISCAN system, I noted in the back up that the company

[38:00] is paying for that travel expenses, so it's not cost to the county, please call roll over

[38:06] four average? Mr. Connelly? Yes.

[38:10] Mr. Englishman? Yes.

[38:12] Mr. Wisden? Yes.

[38:13] Mr. Jones? Yes.

[38:15] Judge Cuck? Yes. Open. 11.

[38:18] Authorized development and community service

[38:20] director and general counsel to negotiate contract

[38:23] with JB Construction for modifications

[38:25] in the precinct to tax office.

[38:27] Authorized county judge, excuse.

[38:30] I'm free to contact.

[38:31] So moved.

[38:33] Second.

[38:34] Motion made in the second.

[38:35] for the discussion seeing I'm hearing not please call roll.

[38:39] Mr. Connelly?

[38:41] Yes.

[38:41] Mr. Evelsby?

[38:43] Yes.

[38:43] Mr. Wistander?

[38:44] Yes.

[38:44] Mr. Jones?

[38:45] Yes.

[38:45] Judge Connelly?

[38:53] Next phase is basically approving the release of road bonds.

[38:57] So let's do 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, so let's go 13 out separately

[39:02] because there's a public comment on that one.

[39:06] Is that correct?

[39:07] Okay, open 12,

[39:14] 14, 15 and 16 separately, so 12 first.

[39:20] Number 12, discussion in possible action to consider the release of the main sponsor, number

[39:25] of 1, 0, 8, 8, 9, 1, 1, and the amount that 264,000, and acceptance of the roads into

[39:32] the county road system for Mustang Valley, subdivision section 6.

[39:36] We have staff approval, please call roll.

[39:49] Yes.

[39:51] Yes.

[39:55] Number 13.

[39:56] Discussion of possible actually to consider the acceptance of road construction.

[40:00] In Germany's improvements and releases of destruction, cash bond in the amount of 1,495,5363 dollars, 41 cents, but driftwood, subdivision, phase one, sexual one.

[40:13] The court calls forth witness to speak for three minutes.

[40:20] How are you, how are you, Ms. Hobby?

[40:23] Well, by Robertson, I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

[40:27] Judge, I do not understand the system for these maintenance bonds.

[40:32] And I'm sure I'm not the only person here who doesn't.

[40:35] I wonder if someone could briefly explain how this works.

[40:38] But secondly, for this particular item, which I believe is for Scott Roberts' Salt Lake area,

[40:45] The amount is so high, almost a one and a half million dollars as opposed to the others which are like 45,000, 30,000 and so on.

[40:56] I'm wondering if this bond is covering not just the road itself, but the grand entranceway, which is called Thurman Roberts' way.

[41:05] And the mature trees that were planted there, I mean, I'm wondering why the amount is so much higher than for the other subdivisions.

[41:12] Mr. Borshting, would you explain that?

[41:16] Mr. Garza B is happy to say, you know, he allowed the ball over there.

[41:20] He's great.

[41:22] He's great.

[41:23] He's great.

[41:24] Your paper.

[41:25] Kurt Mesapeake.

[41:27] Certainly you may.

[41:28] Ms. Opsen.

[41:29] The construction.

[41:30] When we have a new subdivision come in, all roads.

[41:33] All new roads are required to meet county standards.

[41:36] The developers have to either build the roads in advance,

[41:40] have them expected by Mr. Borshanese Department, and then turned over to the county for maintenance.

[41:44] There are instances where there can be private roads.

[41:47] In that case, they pay for all the improvements up front, and cases like what you're seeing

[41:51] on the agenda today, they would like to put a fiscal surety in place for the roads, continue

[41:55] doing their development.

[41:56] They can get their plats and sell lots.

[41:59] We need insurance that the road is willing to be constructed to his standards, so the bond itself

[42:04] for each one of these is based on an engineer's estimate of the road cost.

[42:08] This one's high because the cost of that road, maybe it's the linear feed of the road.

[42:14] You've got our materials obviously that are going to be more expensive than smaller country lanes.

[42:19] The bond only covers the street and drainage improvements.

[42:21] So let me cover any other things you've talked about.

[42:24] You also mentioned maintenance bonds.

[42:25] Our policy is after the road is constructed and we accept the construction.

[42:29] We'd like to take them into the maintenance system.

[42:31] What the developers to pay for maintenance for two years?

[42:33] We require 10% of the original construction costs for the maintenance period.

[42:37] Okay.

[42:38] I think that's it.

[42:39] In this case, they're private roads and so we're not asking for a maintenance problem.

[42:47] Okay.

[42:48] So what's the instructions?

[42:50] The least.

[42:52] All right.

[42:53] And then thereafter, they are required to maintain the roads or the county.

[42:58] They're required to maintain the roads.

[43:00] Okay.

[43:00] Thank you.

[43:01] That answer your question is awesome.

[43:04] Just as a point of clarification,

[43:07] these roads are inside a municipal maintenance district

[43:10] or that's correct commission.

[43:11] Therefore, which means there wouldn't be any ability

[43:14] for the county to take the maintenance of those roads

[43:16] because of being in a local area.

[43:18] That's right.

[43:18] The district has road authority.

[43:23] Just ask one question.

[43:24] I guess you said that we're releasing

[43:28] the construction bond here, right?

[43:30] I got you said that they would just go

[43:34] It was Jerry's, I didn't pay attention to the purpose, but we are releasing the construction bonds.

[43:39] In this case, we're going to start built and they've been approved by the government.

[43:43] Okay, number 13 is open on the floor.

[43:47] Does it have a motion?

[43:48] Judge, I was aware that we accept, consider the acceptance, the road destruction,

[43:53] agreement, improvements, and release the construction cash model in the amount of a million

[43:59] $495,563 from 41 cents for the driftwood subdivision phase one section.

[44:05] Second.

[44:06] Question 2.

[44:07] Please call roll.

[44:09] Mr. Cummett.

[44:10] Mr. Ingol's penis.

[44:11] Mr. Wisnett.

[44:12] Yes.

[44:12] Mr. Jones.

[44:13] Yes.

[44:13] Mr. Jones.

[44:16] Number 14, please.

[44:17] Question of possible actions, consider the acceptance of the roads into the county road system, release the maintenance order, number 1, 0, 2, 6, 4, 2, 9, and the amount of $46,799, and 75 cents for reviewing the ramp subdivision for these ones.

[44:34] I would sort of move and mention, Jerry, we have staff approval for this, correct?

[44:39] Okay, we have a motion in a second on item number 14, further discussion, please call roll.

[44:49] Mr. Conway?

[44:50] Yes.

[44:50] Mr. Englishman?

[44:51] Yes.

[44:51] Mr. Jones?

[44:53] Yes.

[44:53] Judge Colin?

[44:54] Yes.

[44:55] Number 15.

[44:56] Question of possible actions consider the acceptance of road construction and drainage infrastructure.

[45:00] Released of the construction bond number K, 093, 2, 465, 3, 4441,000, 440,000, 74,000, and exceptions of the maintenance bond number

[45:13] 1,040, 897 for in the amount of $30,000, $30,000, $764 and $840 for a two-year period

[45:22] for Shadow Creek subdivision based 7773.

[45:26] Some move.

[45:28] Fourth and second.

[45:29] For the discussion.

[45:30] Please call roll.

[45:31] Commissioner Conway.

[45:33] Yes.

[45:33] Commissioner.

[45:33] Yes.

[45:34] Commissioner Wisdom.

[45:35] Yes.

[45:35] Mr. Jones.

[45:36] Yes.

[45:38] Number 16.

[45:39] Question and possible, action to consider the acceptance of the roads into the county road system and release of the maintenance line.

[45:46] Number P are at 911-8462MNT and the amount of 126,744 dollars and 75 cents for remark and subdivision phase two section four.

[45:59] so maybe second motion second for discussion I would like to say that if you'll notice

[46:07] precincts two three and four I'll have a road project with releasing a bond none of precinct one

[46:14] please call roll. Mr. Colby? Yes. Mr. English speaker? Yes. Mr. Wissan? Yes. Mr. Jones? Yes. Judge Colby? Yes.

[46:22] We're scheduled for 10 o'clock public hearing on

[46:31] 1115 waivers, and we've got a lot to do.

[46:38] ESD number 9 possibility, and we have some other things that we have in the court accompanied

[46:45] that's here for economic development that will come after an executive session.

[46:51] So, Commissioner, would you like us to open their item?

[46:54] For example, do that quickly and come back and we'll just just in passing coming up the stairs today.

[47:01] It's a commissioning.

[47:02] It'll be precinct.

[47:03] So we should take the direction of the commissioning.

[47:05] But I heard that there are an attendance and would like to be here and be public.

[47:14] And whatever decision the court decides to to make considering the type of day that we have on schedule.

[47:21] I think it would be a good idea to have the same address that issue, yes, Judge.

[47:27] Okay, so if it please the court will go, I don't thirty-one is that correct?

[47:32] Yes, sir.

[47:35] Executive Association, Results Section 55107155108,

[47:39] Seventy of Texas Government Code,

[47:41] Concentrate with Council and Liberation regarding economic development,

[47:45] negotiations associated with project taxes,

[47:47] possible action by falling open court, court if you'll quickly join the

[47:52] chambers we will convene

[48:02] in move along expeditiously.

[48:09] Don't make me send you to your

[48:11] room.

[48:14] Thank you for your cooperation. We have just returned from the executive

[48:18] session arising number 31 as I announced it was on project Texas. We now have a

[48:26] motion from the executive section back to the commissioner.

[48:30] Ego's the committee of the year at the floor.

[48:32] Thank you, Judge.

[48:33] Judge, I'd like to make a motion to authorize the county judge.

[48:37] Listen, listen.

[48:38] To execute a chapter 381 economic development

[48:41] incentive agreement between Hayes County and vespi.com LLC

[48:46] has presented in executive session and has now

[48:49] presented to the county clerk.

[48:52] Second. Motion. Second. I like our economic development staff. Come up and explain what we're

[49:00] doing here today. Hey, we got a cruise, while we're here. Ms. Cruz, welcome. You have the floor.

[49:08] Thank you. Good morning, Judge. I'm sorry. Are you timing me? My name is Adriana Cruz. I'm the president

[49:16] of the Greater San Marcos Partnership and we're very excited to come to you today to discuss

[49:21] project Texas, which is best by a leading provider of technology product services and solutions,

[49:29] which has selected San Marcos as the location of an e-commerce sales operation.

[49:35] This few comments on the project, this will be the company's first and only Texas facility

[49:40] of its kind.

[49:42] They expect to hire 25 employees for sales positions in the first year with plans to expand

[49:48] employment opportunities up to 50 in the following years. They'll be located in a 20,000

[49:54] square foot building at 900 by the lane, a pre-existing building that has been built.

[50:00] Make it since fall 2014 and they are scheduled to begin operations in October, November 2016.

[50:08] We're very excited to welcome another global brand name as best-by.

[50:14] This previously vacant building will now serve as a major revenue source for the city and the county.

[50:20] So, the project parameters are an investment of 1.25 million.

[50:28] We expect the incentive that the county is voting on and proposing will be a 75% rebate

[50:36] of sales tax for a 10-year period, renewable for two 10-year renewals based on the performance

[50:43] of the agreement and a 50% personal property tax rebate.

[50:51] This revenue will be significant to the city and the county.

[50:56] The revenue after the sales tax rebate for the county will be approximately $14 million

[51:02] at the end of the agreement.

[51:05] And again, we're very excited about welcoming this new corporate citizen to

[51:10] Please, County, and I'd be happy to answer any questions that the commissioners may have.

[51:17] I have a question.

[51:22] So currently in the vacant facility on bug lane,

[51:28] there is, and I don't know what it is.

[51:31] It's not my first thing, but there is a, obviously there's an assessor evaluation on that property, an adform assessor value.

[51:42] And then that commercial property is then tax appropriately by the, in this case being

[51:50] in San Morkas, by the city of San Morkas, Hase County, the San Morkas School District.

[52:01] Again, I don't know what that is.

[52:03] It's a half a million dollars or if it's two million dollars on the appraisal books.

[52:08] That is generating X amount of admiral taxes all in those three jurisdictions.

[52:22] This proposal and opportunity that a best-by has provided us on a very competitive national basis.

[52:34] As I understand it does a couple things, one, it should appreciate the value of the current

[52:45] facility with the million and a half of whatever you described in renovations and improvements

[52:51] to the fixed asset that is currently empty and bloated.

[52:57] So there will be an additional ad forum taxes brought into the three local agencies and jurisdictions that is higher than what it was prior.

[53:14] Now we are offering an embankment on a piece of that.

[53:19] But most importantly,

[53:24] there were no demanding, there were no war if there were very little

[53:30] sales tax generated out of that current facility.

[53:38] In the way this is set up and the current changes in the state of Texas in regards to

[53:47] these types of centers and I forget what the actual technical name of it is, but basically

[53:54] these call centers generating this volume of sales in our state.

[54:05] Now those sales tax dollars

[54:07] were weren't that vulnerable before because of all this work that has been done. Now that is

[54:13] How much an estimated sales tax revenue along by this 120,000 square foot facility here in Hayes County?

[54:24] The estimated amount is in the hundreds of millions of dollars ranging somewhere between 240 million to 300 million of sales tax.

[54:35] So we have, we have zero today over the life of this contract.

[54:43] We estimate anywhere from $240 million, the $300 million,

[54:49] independent of any out-home taxes to be generated off-cells tax

[54:56] in which we will offer an abatement.

[55:00] To go along with that. So if I'm calling you correctly,

[55:11] we debate 75% of that.

[55:17] Basically, that's a, that's a self-sex collection of, what do we estimate in over that 10-year period of time after the invasions?

[55:24] Over the 30-year period is 14 million to the county. And the sales tax generated that was quoted, the 240-300 million is pretty year, not over the last year.

[55:36] Okay, so that's per year. So we're talking about 14 million dollars of revenue potentially injected into the county's half-sense

[55:43] World Cell Tax revenue and then the city the cities would be I believe 42 million

[55:52] I'm not aware of another cell's types to the writer

[55:55] Like that in the county be on the out of all so within a 20 within a 20,000 square foot space

[56:03] It could be that this would be the second largest sales tax generator in the city.

[56:14] Councillor, do you have something to say?

[56:16] Yes, I just wanted to specify that the way we've crafted this is not an abatement per

[56:24] say.

[56:24] I know Commissioner, you're just using the term.

[56:28] The way this operates is that there is a report of sales tax or a report of the job creation.

[56:35] And then there's a grant payment made that isn't equivalent to 75% of the sales tax revenue

[56:41] that the county collected, so it's important to note that because that is a protection

[56:49] for the county's ability to claw back.

[56:51] So certain employment conditions are in there.

[56:54] This is a performance-based agreement, so performance has to be met.

[57:00] Adriana, I have a couple of questions, you know, the job creation, you know, when we look at these types of agreements and whether or not we should be approving them, you know, job creation of course is very important, but not only job creation, but it's where they're going to hire from.

[57:21] I think we've talked about that so the company plans to look in the local area for their employment

[57:28] Yes, ma'am.

[57:31] And then also I know a lot of times we, you know, are asked well, why do we give these types of incentives?

[57:39] You know, we don't have to.

[57:43] They'll come anyway.

[57:44] And can you talk a little bit because it's important to me?

[57:47] It's important to the folks here, where there are others that we've more competing against

[57:54] and how, you know, I can just talk a little bit about that process.

[57:57] Absolutely.

[57:59] Economic development is a very competitive process.

[58:04] We were in competition with other localities within the state and we crafted the best packet

[58:15] that we could with the city and the county working together to land this very, very important

[58:23] revenue generator and job creation announcement.

[58:28] This e-commerce retail center does help to diversify our economy.

[58:33] It is one of our target industry sectors that we are competing for.

[58:40] So again, we're very excited about the project and we do have representatives here from

[58:44] company who would very much like to speak and say a few words.

[58:50] Thank you so much and I just before they come up I just really went also think the city

[58:54] of San Marcos because they of course played a big part and we worked together to help this

[59:01] happen and so thank you.

[59:04] Okay, one of the two is for us.

[59:08] Absolutely.

[59:09] This is Mr. Lopez with Best Buy.

[59:15] Good morning, Mr. Judge. Good morning, Mr.

[59:18] My name is Dan Lopez and with Best Buy.

[59:20] And I just want to thank the county for this opportunity.

[59:24] We're very pleased to reach the agreement with the county in the city

[59:27] to bring this e-commerce sales operation to San Marcos into his county.

[59:33] And just want to thank you very much for the opportunity.

[59:36] Thank you.

[59:37] Thank you for the opportunity.

[59:40] I have an old lot of couch which is best by so it's a very happy to see you here.

[59:49] It's like Amazon Prime for my wife to put on another offer, a delivery person just for her.

[1:00:00] Thank you, I've been, and I just say that, you know, it's really not doubting the numbers, but boy, those numbers, certainly are big of the, especially self-tax for me, per year. I'm just amazed at how many sales happen online, that, you know, best by generates.

[1:00:21] And we wish you the very best, Mr. Lopez, you and your company, because your success is our success.

[1:00:28] We are linked by contracts, so we're very excited and want to really think of, let's

[1:00:35] Mr. Ditton, city for there, working with our jurisdiction in Mr. Gardson, and really think

[1:00:42] the professionalism and the activity of the partnership. As I've already mentioned, we have

[1:00:49] all these plans and how we can best coordinate and put ourselves in a competitive position

[1:00:56] here in our state across our nation and internationally, and this is a big win today with

[1:01:05] a very fine respected company that will be such a mutual benefit to all of us in job creation

[1:01:16] in tax base, revenue, and really getting into this new economy, this e-commerce economy in a way from the brick and mortar that we have traditionally been a part of, so it's exciting and I really appreciate advice for it.

[1:01:39] Thank you. Thank you very much.

[1:01:41] that item is now open for votes, correct?

[1:01:46] Yes, we have a motion.

[1:01:46] Second, please call role in the item.

[1:01:49] Mr. Tommy?

[1:01:50] Yes.

[1:01:50] Mr. In the speech.

[1:01:52] Yes.

[1:01:52] Mr. President.

[1:01:53] Yes.

[1:01:54] Yes.

[1:01:55] Thank you, Gordon.

[1:01:57] Okay.

[1:01:58] So we had a telecopper.

[1:02:00] Work shop on the Limit 15 Wave Program,

[1:02:02] schedule from the open that item.

[1:02:04] So we can try to play as close to schedule as possible

[1:02:06] for those that are coming and going.

[1:02:09] So we're back in session.

[1:02:10] at 10-17 on item number 22, hold a public hearing in 10 a.m. in accordance with Section 2-9-3.1-1

[1:02:20] of the Texas Health and Safety Code, including been not limited to discussion and possible

[1:02:25] acts to establish the assessment rate, the state fiscal year 2017 mandatory payments, and

[1:02:31] authorized the intergovernmental transfer of the funds derived from those mandatory payments

[1:02:37] to provide the non-federal share of the supplemental payment program authorized under the Texas Health

[1:02:44] Care Transformation and Quality Improvement Program section 1115 Waver.

[1:02:51] Mr. Shaw, you have the floor.

[1:02:52] Thank you, Judge.

[1:02:53] Thanks, commissioners.

[1:02:55] We're doing this for the second year now, our state representative and state senator last

[1:02:59] session.

[1:03:01] Got this legislation passed for us in a few other jurisdictions in Texas that would allow

[1:03:05] mechanism for a local hospitals. Last year, we created this, what we call a local provider

[1:03:11] participation fund, and we had one year of these mandatory payments. Last year, this

[1:03:16] will be our second year, which is what we're calling state fiscal year 2017, which starts

[1:03:21] September 1st, and the feds in the state have recently announced that we'll have a transfer

[1:03:26] opportunity here. You're coming up at the end of August, in the early September. So these

[1:03:31] funds are very important for that for a local hospital. So we want to go ahead and get that

[1:03:34] I think we have some people from the hospitals if you have any questions.

[1:03:39] I have just handed commissioners maybe actual amounts that we will be approving today.

[1:03:44] This hearing was posted first date statute in local newspaper.

[1:03:49] And if you have any questions let me know if any of the hospitals are here as well.

[1:03:53] And along basically this is a pastoral case county is a pastoral response in order to send that because they cannot do that.

[1:04:02] Yes, we collect these funds.

[1:04:04] We put them in a separate account, and then any time that the state opens up the transfer windows,

[1:04:10] we then transfer those funds they get matched, and then they get sent down to the hospital.

[1:04:13] We're out of all of those aspects of this.

[1:04:16] We're primarily just collecting these dollars from the hospitals, putting them to an account waiting until we can transfer them.

[1:04:22] And this is part of the 1115-way program, the state and the feds have agreed to continue that for another year.

[1:04:28] So we'll continue to do this until then, and then we'll see what happens in the future.

[1:04:37] And what will be the consequences of this program go to the White?

[1:04:43] There's plenty of consequences.

[1:04:45] I don't think that the state and the Fed have really gotten deep into what would happen.

[1:04:49] I think most people believe there will be some continuation of this program.

[1:04:52] We don't know what level and what the rules will be.

[1:04:55] There are several states that have recently renegotiated their waivers.

[1:04:58] and the

[1:05:00] The rules have definitely changed for some and priorities have been put in different places. So, either the state's working hard to try to get that nail down so that we not surprise. Everyone is optimistic that we'll build a continued, something similar to that waiver program in the future. We just don't know what it's going to look like and how it's going to work.

[1:05:15] Now, obviously, we have several functions here for our citizens of AIS County that are directly related to that waiver program. A clinic that's operated by Central Texas Medical Center is part of that waiver. And then, obviously, these funds for our hospital, our local hospitals.

[1:05:30] Well, Dr. Chanko, I'll go ahead and provide a motion, and then if anyone went from the hospital

[1:05:34] to the government's feet.

[1:05:35] What would we do with the motion?

[1:05:38] The second, then we discuss it at the hearing.

[1:05:40] Okay, so I'll make a motion judge to all the rise of the county to collect a mandatory payment

[1:05:45] from each institutional healthcare provider in Hase County.

[1:05:49] Established the state fiscal year 2017 mandatory payments of $5,646,628.

[1:05:57] $108.58 percent of Texas Medical Center, $6,797,668.08 for seeking medical center Hayes,

[1:06:08] $759,354.06 for warm springs rehabilitation of Kyle, and $29,170.38 for oceans, behavioral,

[1:06:18] behavioral hospital, which equals 6 percent of the net patient revenue of each hospital

[1:06:25] And authorizing intergovernmental transfer of the funds derived from those mandatory payments to provide the non-federal share of the supplemental payment program all the rise under the Texas Health Care Transformation and Quality Improvement Program, otherwise known as the 1150 waiver.

[1:06:44] Second, motion, second, the M1th and the hospital care to come at our,

[1:06:52] it's in the root yourself because everybody doesn't know you.

[1:06:57] Judge McFishers, I'm Liz Johnson with seat and health care family, and I think we are very grateful for your partnership in this now not so new opportunity and going into the second year.

[1:07:10] I think we've worked out a lot of the King's and can continue to be grateful for your partnership and the partnership with CTMC and the other two hospitals in the community, so thank you.

[1:07:20] You've been describing it in layman's terms for people watching and understand just generally

[1:07:26] what this means to the hospitals and to public health overall in safety and hastily, please.

[1:07:32] Sure, so I think for both of our Central Texas Medical Center and seeking health care family,

[1:07:40] we open our doors to anyone who needs health care in this community and often that means people who cannot afford

[1:07:46] care and we help to work with them and that often means that we may not receive reimbursement

[1:07:54] for that care and so inable and this is a way for us to draw down Texas dollars, he's

[1:08:00] county dollars from the federal level that we pay in our federal tax dollars back into our

[1:08:06] local community for the care of the community of Rollas,

[1:08:10] as well as the un-under-insured.

[1:08:13] Thank you.

[1:08:14] Thank you.

[1:08:15] Thank you.

[1:08:17] Thank you.

[1:08:17] Well, I'd like to thank you and all the health care partners

[1:08:21] and the work together to make this program work so well

[1:08:24] for these candidates.

[1:08:26] It's just a great program.

[1:08:28] I just hope that the federal government and their ultimate wisdom

[1:08:33] can change something like it so that we can divide the care

[1:08:36] this is even our community.

[1:08:39] We do stand all of you for your cooperation together and working with the county and each other.

[1:08:45] So we can do great things to be worked together.

[1:08:48] Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for your support.

[1:08:58] My name is Anne Burkhammer Miller and I'm the Director of Health Information Management at Central Texas Medical Center.

[1:09:04] And again, as Ms. Johnson noted, we very much appreciate the collaboration with the county and assisting us with this project.

[1:09:12] It's been a very good collaboration with our area hospitals as well.

[1:09:17] And I think it's been a win for the residents of Hase County.

[1:09:21] As you mentioned, we have the low-income clinic.

[1:09:24] We're finishing up our third year.

[1:09:26] And that's just been essential for the low-income residents of Hase County.

[1:09:29] We're able to see healthcare.

[1:09:31] And as Liz suggested, also, the charity care that our facilities provide is very important in this county.

[1:09:38] So again, we really appreciate your efforts and the collaboration.

[1:09:42] Thank you.

[1:09:43] Thank you.

[1:09:45] Okay.

[1:09:45] And you have a motion of second on the floor.

[1:09:47] Please call roll on Adam's number.

[1:09:49] 22.

[1:09:52] Yes.

[1:09:53] Mr.

[1:09:54] Yes.

[1:09:55] Mr. Weston.

[1:09:56] Mr. Jones.

[1:09:57] Yes.

[1:09:58] Court.

[1:10:00] We have people here in the court to speak on item number 25.

[1:10:20] And we have Dan here for number 26. And we have, uh, would you like a five minute break or something like that?

[1:10:29] after. Okay, if I let's take a five minute break.

[1:10:37] This calendar, I'm going to take

[1:10:39] your item next because you're voting places and all of that really is germane to all

[1:10:46] the other discussions about voting times and places. So if you'll come forward, we'll

[1:10:52] open item number 18. No, that's right, number 19. Number 19, discussion, possible action

[1:10:58] to adopt the early voting schedule dates and times for the November 8, 2016 General Election.

[1:11:06] Thank you for your hard work.

[1:11:07] Oh, you're welcome. Thank you. Good morning, Court.

[1:11:10] All your files, loads, and be over, right?

[1:11:13] I'm still not counting.

[1:11:15] I don't know how to speak.

[1:11:17] We're freely, maybe.

[1:11:19] I provide you that you each with the schedule, which falls kind of normal to...

[1:11:23] We will be 15 court.

[1:11:26] Past elections.

[1:11:29] I would note that we have added Belta.

[1:11:34] Welcome, Senator, to do it Saturday and Sunday, which I'm hoping

[1:11:39] will relieve some of the election day lines that we do have in that area.

[1:11:45] So we're going to give that a shot.

[1:11:46] I did visit with Commissioner Wizznan's office and I believe he's in favor of that.

[1:11:52] not to say so today. I did recommend that we open in Buda by their request. They have an

[1:12:00] election and basically they say they're willing to pay for that. So four days to help

[1:12:07] you know, not create a long line so an election day and of course I believe I already

[1:12:14] voting sites. One thing I had been pursuing, which I have not been able to succeed yet, is that

[1:12:22] I would like to see at least a couple of days on the east side of Carl Interstate 35. I had

[1:12:29] not confirmed a location. I've been in some conversation with Commissioner Engelspeak,

[1:12:34] but I would like the, are you going adopted? And I will do my best to get that completed

[1:12:41] ASAP, and hopefully we work at least a couple of days on the east side of COP, but I do not

[1:12:47] have that to present to the court today. So again, I'd like to, you know, adoption of what I did

[1:12:53] present, unless you have some... Well, this is the minimum number of corrects. So you could always

[1:12:59] have issues. Yes. And we can get it set, because we do have other elections. And the only one

[1:13:05] And I'm really looking at, is on the east side of, again, the cop area to serve our citizens

[1:13:14] on that side.

[1:13:19] I'll just thank you for continuing to work with me and doing that, and I guess if nothing else,

[1:13:27] I know that there are hospitals available, it might not be ideal, but if you really can't

[1:13:32] anything else I would just say that we take a look at that again.

[1:13:37] And I hope maybe be on court next week.

[1:13:40] Get it, you know, ASAP again.

[1:13:43] But I haven't ignored it.

[1:13:44] I have been out of pocket a little bit more for meetings and various things.

[1:13:49] But I'm still pursuing it, so.

[1:13:51] Sure.

[1:13:52] Good.

[1:13:52] I'd like to add my thanks to Ms. Count, not only for the effective administration

[1:13:56] to come to our office for all these years, but like the commissioner mentioned,

[1:14:00] staying with us and getting working through the upcoming election which is important for all

[1:14:04] of our voters and residents.

[1:14:08] The other thing I'd like to say is that the task of fighting voting locations is not

[1:14:12] an easy one because there's a lot of technological requirements nowadays that is hard to find

[1:14:19] location that meet the need of technology also and combine that with the opportunity for

[1:14:24] our citizens have as best opportunities they can vote, but she's been very diligent with

[1:14:29] that.

[1:14:30] I personally appreciate it in pre-sync form and I think that she's served well all of

[1:14:35] the aspects of the voters in haste County for a number of years.

[1:14:40] Thank you.

[1:14:41] Yes, and I would encourage our citizens to vote early if they can, to avoid long lines

[1:14:47] in any polling place.

[1:14:49] We've tried to put enough early voting locations throughout the county that people can vote.

[1:14:56] Going to work, coming home from work and going to avoid that line.

[1:15:00] We don't want something that happened on the voting day on the 8th and you're not able to vote. I mean, that don't take that chance. Your vote is important.

[1:15:09] And so please vote early if you can't. That's what we've done on this hard work. Thank you again. So I need a motion to accept.

[1:15:16] I'll make a motion judge to adopt the arrival of the schedules, the dates and

[1:15:21] times for the November 8th, 16 June of election.

[1:15:24] Second.

[1:15:24] Motion in a second.

[1:15:25] Any further discussion?

[1:15:28] Thanks, Joyce.

[1:15:29] Please call roll.

[1:15:31] Yes.

[1:15:32] Mr. Cummins?

[1:15:32] Yes.

[1:15:33] Mr. Innoffey?

[1:15:35] Mr. Jones?

[1:15:36] Yes.

[1:15:36] Mr. Cummins? Yes.

[1:15:37] Yes. Now, number 20.

[1:15:39] Discussed with Postal Act to adopt the election day polling sites for the November 8th,

[1:15:48] Okay, once again you've been provided a list, I've visited with the commissioners where I

[1:15:56] make recommendations of basically two changes, one, and the Wimbler Commissioner Connelly

[1:16:03] jurisdiction that we move from first Baptist Church and Wimbledy to actually the community center

[1:16:12] in Wimbledy. Actually, check in maps. It's fine on the border line, but the community center

[1:16:17] actually is in 333333. And we worked with the Church, Cyprus Creek Church, which is really

[1:16:28] more in the location of populated voters for 335.

[1:16:35] So those are actual changes.

[1:16:37] Move 3332, an existing polling location was 335,

[1:16:42] and change of 335 to Cypress Creek.

[1:16:45] And then in pracing 443, we were at the Belteria Clubhouse,

[1:16:51] which is kind of small.

[1:16:52] One of the precincts that you do, both substantial numbers.

[1:16:56] And actually we have had some lines, the longer lines sometimes in that area because of that area

[1:17:03] our commuters basically work in the crate lines kind of after the five.

[1:17:10] But again, it will be at the welcoming Belteo Welcome Center, which is closer to the entrance

[1:17:15] larger facility, more parking and won't have club activity.

[1:17:20] So it basically the just our voters.

[1:17:22] So, again, I believe that we've done justice in that precinct and hopefully Commissioner

[1:17:28] Wisnett will agree with that as far as knowing the facility.

[1:17:32] Both of you.

[1:17:35] Having been a resident of the Act, I agree wholeheartedly with this challenge.

[1:17:39] And the best opportunity we have in that general location, which is proven to be a good

[1:17:43] area for folks.

[1:17:44] And hopefully, by the next primary election or special election, we'll have the precinct

[1:17:48] three building as a voting site out there, which would be very convenient for lots of parking.

[1:17:53] So we're working toward getting it perfect.

[1:17:57] So just to be clear, Joyce,

[1:18:02] that on election day, in the broadly speaking, the Wimbledy Valley

[1:18:11] area,

[1:18:13] we will have voters having the opportunity to vote and 335 at the Wimbledy

[1:18:24] on a election day?

[1:18:26] Yes, ma'am.

[1:18:30] 333, 333, we actually voted the Commandia Center.

[1:18:34] 335.

[1:18:35] We'll vote at the Cyprus Creek Church.

[1:18:38] Okay.

[1:18:39] Now, everybody is all at the Community Center.

[1:18:42] I just read this different from our backup.

[1:18:44] So I want to make sure that that's clear.

[1:18:49] So let's, if you indulge me, let's go through this carefully.

[1:18:53] so that we are all in the same page.

[1:18:56] So why have on November the 8th, 2016 Hay County polling places

[1:19:04] from 7 a.m. to 7 a.m.

[1:19:08] It's,

[1:19:11] you get to the same market associations.

[1:19:13] I don't, I don't see any changes

[1:19:14] to what you've had traditionally been done there.

[1:19:17] Choice for a long time, correct me if I'm wrong there,

[1:19:21] but I don't see it.

[1:19:21] Okay, if you, sorry I should have bought another one, but 333 used to be 335, as far as the

[1:19:29] Wembley Community Center.

[1:19:31] So we're not using first Baptist Church in Wembley and moving 333 to the Community Center

[1:19:38] and moving 335 to the Cypress Creek Church.

[1:19:43] We haven't used Cypress Creek Church in the course 337 is the same.

[1:19:47] is that the VFW pose where it's been for a long time, so just restake that clearly

[1:19:53] joys where the records clear for the Clark and and clear for the public.

[1:20:00] Public because it is different than what's in our, in our backed up. And if you don't have our backed up, in front of you, what we have right here is 33, first Baptist church in Wimberley, we have 335 Wimberley Community Center. And we have 337, they have WPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[1:20:29] I would like the next one, I would like the next one, why three, three, three, and why the

[1:20:38] bachelor's church facility lack of a better description was a working, and we feel

[1:20:46] that it would work better at the community center.

[1:20:48] For most people, three, three, three that would be a, although very slight that would be

[1:20:59] We'll go through that a little bit, Joyce, please.

[1:21:02] Well, again, it was, I'm sorry.

[1:21:05] I provided the backup and apparently

[1:21:07] sent the wrong polling list to our office

[1:21:11] and I apologize for that.

[1:21:13] But the change that has actually been made is

[1:21:17] 333 was first Baptist Church in Wimbling.

[1:21:21] Has been changed to the Wimbling Community Center.

[1:21:24] It's within the boundary lines of precinct 333,

[1:21:27] which probably is what we should have done.

[1:21:30] So why would we come on here changing?

[1:21:31] Why would we change it?

[1:21:32] And it's because we're working towards,

[1:21:35] I think, both centers in our county.

[1:21:38] And we have to be live with technology,

[1:21:42] and unfortunately, in the wood creek area,

[1:21:45] the Baptist Church, we are unable to get online.

[1:21:49] Use our cell phones to call into the office.

[1:21:53] The reception is not very,

[1:21:57] So anybody that lives there knows this, I'm on AT&T for example, once you get to that section of the parkway, and in particular, if you go into the parking lot of the first Baptist church, you rarely, it's ever been able to get any type of internet service for cell phone service in that area until you get up on the hill going towards the park.

[1:22:26] towards a mountain crest and skyline, or you go the other way, get over towards a closer to the

[1:22:35] hair salon and those areas down 12, and that area before you dip again into Cyprus Creek,

[1:22:41] where you lose service before you come back up a few hundred feet and pick it up again

[1:22:45] throughout the rest of the town. I'm going in there, so there's a better, better, more consistent

[1:22:51] technology opportunity at the community center, and then we'll find ourselves in at the church,

[1:22:57] the first Baptist church there, and we're really all park-wise that's what we're saying, right?

[1:23:02] Correct.

[1:23:03] And it also, I think, will better serve being closer to the citizens, you know, actually in

[1:23:09] 335 instead of taking them to the end of their boundary lines at the community center.

[1:23:16] Let's face it in Wimberly, they all go to the community center anyway.

[1:23:20] You're my nose with any of that.

[1:23:22] Yeah, and we're definitely going to do a best of already, you know, I will visit with any of everybody I know and women lead a notified papers and you know, have them put it on, you know, their social media as far as prioritizations, but that we've made this change and hopefully it will serve us all better.

[1:23:41] 333, Wimbley means January 335, Cyprus Creek Church, 337, BFW, I'll take it for a road Wimbley.

[1:23:50] That's correct.

[1:23:51] And that will be posted on our Hayes County website as well.

[1:23:58] And again, I apologize for providing you a wrong list.

[1:24:01] I need a motion to accept.

[1:24:06] Anybody else have any modifications or changes?

[1:24:13] I'll make a motion to accept the polling places in which Ms. Count has presented here in court today.

[1:24:19] We will make the appropriate changes to the listed back up in post-phos on our internet sites and what to sign on me.

[1:24:27] And I make sure that the public is aware of those changes.

[1:24:32] It's second. Motion second. Thank you for the discussion.

[1:24:36] British police is seeing none hearing none. Please call roll.

[1:24:40] Yes. Yes.

[1:24:42] Yes.

[1:24:43] Yes.

[1:24:45] Thank you, Ms. Count. Thank you, George.

[1:24:51] Okay. Now I see that I've been asked to open the workshop by Dan Wegmiller number 26 next.

[1:24:59] The webinar you have.

[1:25:00] Thank you, Judge, Commissioner, and stand-and-wake, Miller, with specialised, but we owe that.

[1:25:05] Workshops hosted by Dan Whitmiller, Hayes County's Finance for the Advisor and Bill Herzog,

[1:25:09] Peace County, Auditor, Regarding, Peace County, President Bond financing, and projected tax revenue.

[1:25:15] Now, thank you, Judge. The item before you was requested to discuss bottom capacity

[1:25:23] to give you, I think, a framework as you move through the process of working out projects and elements

[1:25:29] to put on a potential bond election, Bill Herzog and I discussed various aspects.

[1:25:37] Our role is to forecast forward what the tax rate impact, if any, would be on a certain

[1:25:45] level of capacity.

[1:25:47] In this exercise, we looked at 250 million as the potential capacity over what time frame

[1:25:55] you'll be able to possibly issue up to $250 million dollars and what were the assumptions.

[1:26:04] What we looked at doing was we forecasted tax base growth over the next three years at

[1:26:11] a level of just over 11.5 percent per year.

[1:26:15] That is about three and a half percent below your average over the last two years.

[1:26:21] or yes, below that, what you've experienced over the last two years, fiscal 17 is projected

[1:26:28] just over 15% tax-based growth. So looking in the near term, using just over 11 and a half percent

[1:26:37] is, you know, probably realistic. If not slightly conservative based on the last two years and

[1:26:44] to see what's developing around the county.

[1:26:48] Starting in 2021, we applied a tax base growth of just 4%.

[1:26:53] That would be one of the lowest levels, obviously met by the county in quite some time.

[1:27:00] So, looking across the capacity analysis,

[1:27:04] we looked at how quickly with those assumptions in tax base growth

[1:27:08] could we issue $250 million?

[1:27:12] We forecast over 2017-18 and 19 that you could issue the entirety of a $250 million bond

[1:27:21] election.

[1:27:22] In this exercise, we looked at 100 million being issued in 2017-75 million in 2018 and 2019.

[1:27:32] Again, we're not getting into specifics of projects or project types.

[1:27:36] These are unlimited tax bonds issued by the county.

[1:27:39] So it can come from any type of proposition that you put forth.

[1:27:45] In your skin, in your forecast, and did you keep the tax rate the same?

[1:27:49] Yes, exactly.

[1:27:51] Yes sir.

[1:27:52] So what we did based on this scenario was first to see, could we maintain the tax rate?

[1:27:57] And within this amount, we could maintain the tax rate at its current INS tax rate level.

[1:28:03] We are assuming interest rates for the first issue of 4% next year's bond issue.

[1:28:10] That would be roughly 85 basis points over where we would project that you saw sell today.

[1:28:16] We projected 2018 and 19 at just under 5% which would be one of the highest levels that

[1:28:24] you sold out over the last probably 12 to 15 years.

[1:28:28] So that's really fairly conservative number as well.

[1:28:31] So I think the overall snapshot that we looked at was could you within a reasonable timeframe

[1:28:38] probably three to five years, issue up to $250 million and supported under a existing tax rate.

[1:28:47] And the answer is yes.

[1:28:50] We also did what I did is look back at the 2008 information.

[1:28:55] And if you decided to move forward with a bond election, August 26th of 2008, there's a document presented a court that was used in a lot of the public information which would be used again.

[1:29:10] We would break down again that tax rate debt issuance and provide the data to support based on the numbers you all come up with, you know, total bond issuance.

[1:29:23] But as with that scenario, what Bill and I have been doing for a number of years, none of

[1:29:29] us is any good if we can't issue the bonds to fund the projects.

[1:29:34] So we try to bring a balance between conservatism but realistic look at the numbers so

[1:29:39] we don't under-sheet.

[1:29:40] And as I mentioned last time I was in court, the last pass through bond issue along with

[1:29:47] the red bond election, you came in quite a ways under the projections. Back then, the

[1:29:55] past through program was projected to have a one-cent tax rate impact. That means that

[1:30:00] That the reimbursements were going to cover the project cost, but interest would be supported somewhat

[1:30:07] by the county. The red bond portion, the county portion was projected to be a 3.15 cent impact.

[1:30:16] Both of those numbers you've come in under. And so that's what the look of Bill and I have taken to this analysis is to be

[1:30:24] It's our good to look at the numbers and build as much flexibility to get this good projects

[1:30:32] rolling for learning drilling, but also to be able to meet the forecast and estimates.

[1:30:38] So at this point, that's a summary of what Bill and I covered was could you support a program

[1:30:45] of us to $250 million under the current tax rate structure and the answer is yes.

[1:30:51] Questions from Court?

[1:30:56] Where is our standing currently as we're evaluating in many different ways from the market,

[1:31:07] different rating institutions, et cetera?

[1:31:13] What is our basic standing today?

[1:31:16] Now, I know our on rating like our credit rating has to continue to improve over the past

[1:31:25] decade.

[1:31:26] That's right.

[1:31:28] Can we talk about that some and what that means and just so that there's some clarity

[1:31:35] of the best of the hand the exact position of the court, I should say the county at this

[1:31:44] point time.

[1:31:44] and also I'd like you to tell why I'm doing this in that move.

[1:31:50] Yes sir, the bond rating agencies look at each dead issuance that you move forward and take to the marketplace.

[1:32:00] They assign a bond rating which is essentially your credit score to be used by investors.

[1:32:06] It's great feedback to you all to see how you're being judged as a credit score is used to individual.

[1:32:12] But the ultimate purpose of that credit rating is to show you to show investors what the credit

[1:32:20] strength or weaknesses of an entity is and its broad base is looking from a state-to-state level.

[1:32:28] A rating for a Hayes County should be the same reflection as a county and Virginia from an investor

[1:32:36] same point because these investors are buying, especially when you're selling large blocks of bonds,

[1:32:42] you're selling to major insurance funds or different types of funds that just care about

[1:32:47] credit quality. The rating that is looked at takes into account the economy, the financial

[1:32:55] position or financial performance. It looks at the management of the county and then ultimately

[1:33:01] the debt position. The debt position is weighted 10% of the overall rating. The reason they apply

[1:33:08] that rating is not every state issues debt in the same manner. In Texas, for example, school

[1:33:15] districts, county cities, there's much more debt floated on the local level, where other states

[1:33:20] may issue debt from a state level or a state bond bank, and so the local levels don't appear to

[1:33:26] as much debt. The other piece of that is growth areas is if they don't address capital needs

[1:33:35] and capital infrastructure, they may have a low debt burden, but they may have a high

[1:33:41] liability in what's not being adjusted or developed to meet the demands of a growing area.

[1:33:49] So when they look at the rating, they look at the financial performance, which is fund balance,

[1:33:53] which is sales tax growth, which is property tax and property tax-based growth, they look at trends.

[1:34:02] They look at policies that you put into place such as general fund balance policies to maintain minimum levels and your ability and your consistency and meeting that.

[1:34:12] They look at your management, management is an assessment of, are you looking at what your needs are,

[1:34:20] are you addressing those needs? Are you addressing needs? Are you addressing once? How do

[1:34:25] you balance that? They look at, pay as you go, debt versus cash, debt should not be the solution

[1:34:32] to every program and need and obviously you all know that better than I do. And then ultimately

[1:34:40] the economy and the economy, Texas and this region has had a very strong economy. I think

[1:34:49] even through 2008 when the last bonds were approved, we took caution into the issuance of that program.

[1:34:59] And that's part of the man.

[1:35:00] Management assessment. Just because you get dead authorized and still have to manage the building of the projects and the issuance of the debt and delivering the targets. So you're bomb rating as it stands. It has improved over the last five to six years.

[1:35:16] And you sit at AA, the AA rating, which is two notches from the natural AAA, which is the highest rating. There are ten rungs on that ladder, and you're essentially at the eighth run from the top.

[1:35:28] The best position to be in is higher.

[1:35:34] So, again, they, the rating agencies, when they look at the rating, they assign the rating,

[1:35:40] they're done from an independent standpoint.

[1:35:42] An example is when they do come down to tour or visit, you can't even buy a lunch.

[1:35:50] They have very strict limitations on keeping an independent viewpoint and making sure there's

[1:36:00] no gray area as far as where their leaning is.

[1:36:06] So when you look at a bond program, we always look at will there be a negative impact to

[1:36:12] your credit because you're borrowing more money.

[1:36:14] The fact that you've planned for it, the fact that you can pay for it, the fact that you take a measure to approach to how you may issue debt is what we look at and communicate and what the rating agencies look at.

[1:36:29] And currently we have two ratings, two different viewpoints that they want to provide investors to feedback.

[1:36:37] Okay, let me ask this question, is there a difference in bonding infrastructure, roads, bridges, and assets such as buildings and fixtures, is there a difference there?

[1:36:55] The project matter. Yes, absolutely. Projects matter. Project elements matter.

[1:37:03] You know, they don't necessarily judge what your projects are to a degree.

[1:37:11] But if you work to start being an excessive in debt, for elements that may not be essential

[1:37:18] Or in raising your debt levels in the process, they're going to look at that and they will probably

[1:37:28] assess that in their management and their debt position if you're doing nothing in

[1:37:35] small parts.

[1:37:36] We say a lot of ball parts while your breadway infrastructure is becoming a liability too.

[1:37:45] Thank you.

[1:37:46] An important piece of information that I know I've had a lot of conversations with people

[1:37:55] that I represent about that he went over down in your description of different processes

[1:38:03] and checks and balances that I think is important.

[1:38:10] There is a process or an assessment that we go through prior to each issuance that is made

[1:38:23] by ultimately made by the commissioners court on behalf of the county and whatever project

[1:38:30] that we're dealing with, people go out and they go, you talk about the projects and

[1:38:36] And the best estimates of that you can base that information off of give people the clearest

[1:38:43] picture that you can, what that means to our community, from a financial standpoint,

[1:38:52] and from a public safety infrastructure standpoint,

[1:38:58] but it's an important piece of what I know

[1:39:05] do every time and how these things are managed. It will assess that. Get that just

[1:39:09] this and after November the 8th or 7th, whenever that date may be. Get that just

[1:39:16] this and I have a free for all of obligated or non-assessed debt insurance. Those are in

[1:39:32] constantly being monitored, not only should you issue, but what you had issued are their

[1:39:42] opportunities for reform and change within those issuance that ultimately will be in

[1:39:48] the interest with the credit and the taxpayer of case counties.

[1:39:53] Absolutely, one interesting aspect of the issuance process is, number one, when we go out

[1:39:59] I think it's different.

[1:40:00] Information for educational purposes to explain what the impact or no impact is. That's in essence a contract with the voters as well.

[1:40:09] So when we go to issue each subsequent piece of debt, we've got to make sure that we're saying within the framework of what the original documents told voters and residents it was going to have the impact.

[1:40:20] In addition to that, once the debt is issued, when you go and apply for a new rating,

[1:40:26] that new rating is not only assigned to your new debt, it's reviewing the existing debt that you

[1:40:32] have outstanding. So those bond holders, when they bought the original bonds at a A plus,

[1:40:38] and now you've been upgraded to AA, those bond holders are actually in a better position.

[1:40:44] But with that better position by getting that higher rating does for you all, as we're also looking at

[1:40:50] And since 2008, we've already been able to refinance to

[1:40:54] lower interest rates.

[1:40:55] Some of those early bonds that were issued as part of

[1:40:58] the last election.

[1:41:00] So this is constantly moving and changing and being

[1:41:05] being, again, managed and assessed for the

[1:41:09] best known through a long term of a physical strength

[1:41:13] of the county that is obviously ultimately the taxpayer.

[1:41:17] Absolutely.

[1:41:18] And that's why when you look at the interest cost of a bond program, it's going to be moving throughout the life.

[1:41:26] And we'll move up, won't increase over the life.

[1:41:29] But there are multiple opportunities to see it lower, or pay it off in advance, like you all have taken opportunity from time to time to pay off pieces of debt early.

[1:41:39] So, it's a constant process that before we issue one piece, we're looking to see what existing

[1:41:47] opportunities are.

[1:41:48] You could probably find that in your house.

[1:41:50] Absolutely.

[1:41:51] That's the same thing.

[1:41:51] It's the same thing.

[1:41:53] You don't refinance your house every year.

[1:41:55] You look at targeted opportunities when it's the most bang for your buck and most beneficial

[1:42:00] to you.

[1:42:01] IRS actually restricts you as well as to how many federal tax law restricts how many times

[1:42:06] you can refinance.

[1:42:08] So when you do that, you want to make sure you do it at the right point.

[1:42:13] In your assessment of our, and I want to give Mr. Herzl having an opportunity to speak

[1:42:19] as well, and I think most people overwhelmingly, most people in this county that look at

[1:42:28] these types of issues,

[1:42:33] it's extremely complicated and it's fluid, it's changing.

[1:42:37] all the time, particularly in regards to a program like our past

[1:42:44] suit, financing program. That is based off of, you know, quarterly payments,

[1:42:52] back to the county, off of two a certain maximum principle amount that the

[1:42:59] But Hayes County is paying interest on and how those payments are made based off of traffic

[1:43:09] counts coming into those assets, those improved projects, whatever those meant to be.

[1:43:17] Now, we've forecasted in model to the best of our ability, you know, seven and a weight prior

[1:43:27] initially prior to asking for the 210 million dollar bond that people overwhelmingly supported.

[1:43:39] And I continue assessment and management of that.

[1:43:45] That's constantly changing.

[1:43:49] So it's very easy to take different snapshots at different points in time.

[1:43:57] And so I think there's some honest, just misunderstanding amongst some people on how that is actually working and how it is being paid back into our county.

[1:44:13] Now, I won't speculate on others, but I think for the most part, that's an honest assessment of trying to understand and capture something that is constantly changing.

[1:44:23] moving our traffic counts, for example, going into those projects, on a monthly basis, on a

[1:44:30] quarterly basis, are changing. So therefore, it has an impact on our payback. But generally speaking,

[1:44:45] everything that I've ever, as somebody that was here then in here now and has kind of lived

[1:44:51] This experience of a tool created by our state government in order to meet a need on high

[1:44:58] changing growth areas.

[1:45:00] And in different parts of our state, at a time when they weren't able to identify direct sources

[1:45:09] to manage those assets properly. That we have been ahead of schedule in what we forecasted in 2008.

[1:45:24] Some projects, as I understand, like the Highway 290 project,

[1:45:30] we're receiving more funds than what we actually spent on that project in construction costs,

[1:45:38] because the way in which the deal was managed and negotiated with the DOT and so can we get a good

[1:45:55] assessment of, you know, the accuracy over and under of our forecast, how that has worked.

[1:46:01] I mean, I know there are people who because it was so kind of new at the time.

[1:46:07] There's people that have broken concerns about us even receiving payments back from the state of Texas.

[1:46:13] We have been receiving significant payments from state of Texas.

[1:46:16] That is a new revenue source into the counties.

[1:46:21] overall budget. So when you're looking at sales tax, when you're looking at that

[1:46:25] form taxes, fees and fines, traditional revenue sources of county government, this

[1:46:33] is a different revenue source. That is not that you traditionally do not find in a county

[1:46:42] government budget. That makes us very different than most counties in the two hundred

[1:46:49] of a default county's letter in the state of Texas.

[1:46:53] And I don't think there's a right of all the answering here on it.

[1:46:56] I just want the basis of what has occurred and what has happened and what we forecasted in

[1:47:01] how that is working.

[1:47:04] I think from understanding of the past through program, it was an effort I think by text.

[1:47:11] To allow local entities to move their projects up and to step forward and those that were willing

[1:47:18] to issue the debt and get re-inferred, sorry state hypothesis on the state highway system.

[1:47:23] And the reimbursements were not based on principle and interest costs.

[1:47:27] The reimbursements were based on project costs at inflated values.

[1:47:31] And depending on when you got into the project, or got into the program, sometimes I let you add

[1:47:37] a longer term inflationary number, and as the program set out there, that inflationary element was reduced.

[1:47:45] they didn't let you. The original discussion was, you got reimbursed for what that project

[1:47:52] would have cost the state when they got to it on their timeline. Well, those are very

[1:47:56] long-term timelines, so they had high inflationary numbers and so that increased your reimbursement.

[1:48:03] The way the reimbursements come in and their managed today, and that's why I'm looking

[1:48:09] at August 26th, 2008 document that you all represented and was using the public information

[1:48:16] meetings, it was anticipated that we would have two series of passery issues sold at five

[1:48:22] and five and three-quarter percent. We actually sold four issues of believe that were all

[1:48:31] under four percent. So we have the interest rates savings there. The reimbursement never changed.

[1:48:37] that's based off the forecast that we told people that we would do.

[1:48:41] Absolutely.

[1:48:42] And so the creation of the password program

[1:48:46] was, can you create costs in your own building of the project?

[1:48:51] But also when you're able to issue the debt at lower interest costs,

[1:48:56] you're reducing your element of costs on the bond program.

[1:49:00] So the bottom line, the number from the state was fixed.

[1:49:04] Now that later on in other password programs they started changing that they wanted to share

[1:49:10] and benefit if the project came in under.

[1:49:13] So early programs like yours, you got the full benefit of event you bought Bill Cheever,

[1:49:19] event you saved money, you were still getting reimbursed the same amount.

[1:49:24] I also an important thing is it could cause more to build and they took that risk.

[1:49:29] That's right.

[1:49:30] So I think, well, I want to correct that, because I, this is, this is very,

[1:49:36] finally important that, that, that, that we're, we're as accurate as possible with

[1:49:42] this jot, I think I understand what your statement just was, but under the past

[1:49:46] through agreements, part of the partnership, if you will, is why we've been able to

[1:49:53] reap the benefits of being early on this of, of coming under budget, if you will,

[1:49:57] getting refunded for more money.

[1:50:00] What we would up under current conditions and current contracts that they're negotiating is that is that the county was responsible and remains responsible for cost overruns in those contracts.

[1:50:16] So, set a simply stated, if a project in that agreement was $10 million for a particular project,

[1:50:30] which is kind of close to what $290 was, I don't remember exactly.

[1:50:34] For $10 million of reimbursement, based off of the estimated $10 million cost to make those improvements,

[1:50:44] which is reason why, no, it's been in the news a lot lately, is the reason why we have the

[1:50:49] soldiers and the Senate on lanes down to 90 today, is because of what was done during that

[1:50:55] program and that process.

[1:51:01] That if we were the way we set up, if we came in under $10 million

[1:51:06] construction in the soft costs associated with that, say that was $8 million.

[1:51:13] Then the state still had an obligation, so does have an obligation, do pay us a

[1:51:19] bag of 10 million dollars of those money. At the same time, part of the risk associated

[1:51:29] with what the county did, which state taxes did, if that project had cost $12 million.

[1:51:36] Then the county would be responsible for the difference of that 10 to 12.

[1:51:42] Is that exactly how it was broken down?

[1:51:44] I believe that.

[1:51:49] Now we were fortunate that for multiple different reasons that we've been able to be on the good side of that deal.

[1:51:57] But I want to be clear to everybody exactly how that was designed and set up and how that was.

[1:52:04] negotiate, like any partnership, there is risk and reward and liability on both sides of the...

[1:52:12] I think it's important as you mentioned, this is all geared off project costs.

[1:52:18] Yes, sir.

[1:52:18] It was a year of principal and interest of debt, specifically statutory limits on text art

[1:52:26] didn't allow them to, I believe it's that short, Mike Weaver can pray to speak better than I can.

[1:52:31] They had to send, their reimbursements were engaged off of project costs and their future costs to text up.

[1:52:40] They did not have to pay us interest.

[1:52:42] They did not.

[1:52:43] But the savings that Mr. Colle is referencing as to the ability to bring a project under budget.

[1:52:50] And that's why there are some projects around the state, passenger projects that never moved forward.

[1:52:56] Because, you know, there was something found on the pathway, there was something that came in that people didn't realize.

[1:53:04] So you had the ability to say, you know, stop, let's not report.

[1:53:08] But the more you're able to create savings-wise on projects, that's what helped offset the interest cost.

[1:53:14] Offset interest cost and in addition, put the county in the state and a position to develop new work to be done on the state system, which we did in our third

[1:53:38] The mission is to be probably remember after what our third partnership agreement with the state.

[1:53:47] So I think that's essential for people to understand it and you can come down on one side of the other.

[1:53:54] Whether you thought that was a good idea or not.

[1:53:56] But those are the facts of the situation.

[1:54:00] What is also a factor in the situation is that as we started to come out on the opposite side,

[1:54:08] of side of that. But the state was curious to see if we would renegotiate that piece of the

[1:54:18] deal, which obviously we asked them if they were going to renegotiate the liability portion

[1:54:25] if we run over a budget, they said no. So we maintained their agreements the way the way we had it

[1:54:32] and that has worked out. Better than forecast than what we had told people in 2008 and what we

[1:54:41] go through these different years and different issuance.

[1:54:44] I think the credit for going back to you when you're original points, the credit perspective

[1:54:48] is interesting too.

[1:54:51] The revenue of 133 million that tech stock reinforces you, the rating agencies deduct that

[1:54:58] on what they view is you're

[1:55:00] About sending debt obligation, because they recognize that it is a partnership, and that the state is obligated, contractually, and through the bond documents, they are a party to your debt.

[1:55:13] And so, the rating agency, staring forward is in-fetched. Once you open the roadway, once text.takes it back, they will deduct that amount from your outstanding debt when they look at your debt burden.

[1:55:26] Because it's not being paid locally, it's being paid out of state dollars.

[1:55:31] And if that hadn't occurred, if that hadn't occurred, then our bond rating rightfully so would reflect that liability.

[1:55:39] And it does up until the point the road opens, once the road opens, and your reimbursements start coming in,

[1:55:46] because you still got to deliver the project.

[1:55:48] So it's a very specific timeline, but at this point that's exactly what happens.

[1:55:53] I wish, you know, other elements, as I found review board documents with reflect, that there is

[1:56:01] another revenue coming in because that's a significant piece of money coming into the county for debt that's not

[1:56:07] rough enough.

[1:56:08] You'd be happy to know that in our high interest here, I signed a bill for the text dot for

[1:56:13] over two million dollars that will be coming in.

[1:56:16] So, as big as huge, they paid well, they paid time to make to everyone that I've heard.

[1:56:25] So, I think it's important and in conclusion to my intentions of having these discussions

[1:56:31] to try to bring some clarity to the issue is it's important whether you're in business

[1:56:37] or government or man to man or family to family, it's important that what you have told

[1:56:44] people, to the best of your ability at the time, that now having the perspective of history

[1:56:53] and being able to look back and see if you, if you delivered, are came close to delivering

[1:57:00] on what you advertised and told people did that occur.

[1:57:07] And the answer in our cases, undoubtedly yes, there's no dispute about that.

[1:57:13] And then again, people individual citizens can judge that on their own merits and own knowledge.

[1:57:19] But that is just a fact of where we sit, where we were in 2007 to 2008.

[1:57:25] To where we are today in 2012, that's just a factor in mind.

[1:57:32] I believe the touch rate in a way was 4.56, built so far like that.

[1:57:37] We're 4.67 today.

[1:57:42] So along with these other issues that we've talked about, so it's important that that's understood clearly by the people that we represent.

[1:57:54] If I may, I just like to make a little point about, and I'm a little more familiar with this, because I live in the northern part of the county.

[1:58:00] use U.S. Highway 290. In my correct thing, I was under the impression that the methods were being paid back for the 290 project were actually a head of schedule with payment back in that current.

[1:58:15] We didn't pay it all.

[1:58:18] So, projections we had for the increase need of that road has more than proven itself out of traffic counts, which is the way we were afraid that money.

[1:58:28] And I believe, if I recall being on this court, we did pay off some debt early that didn't

[1:58:34] include some of the funds that we received from.

[1:58:37] That's correct.

[1:58:38] I'll have to save this money and interest.

[1:58:42] Thank you.

[1:58:43] I was going to take the opportunity to make a statement about them when I've known Dan since he was

[1:58:50] young man.

[1:58:51] His parents and family lived in Dripping Springs area.

[1:58:54] I got to know Dan professionally early in his career as a school board member in different

[1:58:59] experience in regard to bond issuance and finance.

[1:59:05] I would just had one personal question, I probably know the answer, but Dan, do you live

[1:59:10] in Hakes County?

[1:59:12] I currently I do not, but my parents do.

[1:59:15] You did it one at a time.

[1:59:17] I did it one at a time.

[1:59:18] Yes, sir.

[1:59:18] Okay.

[1:59:19] But move back.

[1:59:21] I don't know about it.

[1:59:24] Are you raised here?

[1:59:29] The...

[1:59:29] What did...

[1:59:30] What in these violent evaluations would I've read in the past lately?

[1:59:34] The biggest liability, as identified in those reviews, was reports, has come from

[1:59:40] the reflection of other agencies, as I recall predominantly school districts in our county.

[1:59:48] I can't speak to you on that day.

[1:59:51] Yeah, when the credit agencies look at the

[1:59:54] Deppard county, they're looking at Deppard and

[1:59:57] never resident, and I Deppard and

[1:59:58] never the resident.

[2:00:00] It is largely reflected in the school district, because the school's, especially in this area, are not getting a lot of state assistance through the reimbursement on their debt.

[2:00:14] So, school districts carry quite a lot of, we all see the size and the needs the school districts have.

[2:00:21] So those are the, that's reflected in the counties over all

[2:00:25] Depperm because they look at what a resident pays in school, city,

[2:00:30] county, and special district taxes that may apply and from Depp.

[2:00:36] Mr. Herzard, do you want to say,

[2:00:37] why don't you go up there so we can all see your pretty face?

[2:00:41] I don't want to say, why does call me better?

[2:00:46] Under the constitution of Mr. Herzard August,

[2:00:49] an independent agent appointed hired by the District Judges is not the employee of the

[2:00:56] Commissioner's Court correctly and that is part of the checks and balances that we

[2:01:00] have in our system. So that him to be an independent observer and discipline in financial

[2:01:06] matters. So Mr. Herzog, please.

[2:01:08] I just want to let the court know that they saw what Mr. Kohl said that we did have a meeting

[2:01:18] regarding the debt of the county.

[2:01:21] Who was in that meeting?

[2:01:22] My soul, my assistant, myself, David Crowell,

[2:01:26] and Sam Reyn.

[2:01:29] And we did discuss the debt.

[2:01:31] And all I said was that when you compare the cost

[2:01:34] to the roads, the project cost,

[2:01:37] and the reimbursement from the state,

[2:01:39] you have to take into consideration the debt,

[2:01:41] you just can't have those, that's all I said.

[2:01:44] And then he was telling everyone that I said

[2:01:48] that the revenue wouldn't offset the debt payment.

[2:01:52] I never said that.

[2:01:53] I don't even actually know.

[2:01:54] I don't deny that or agree with it.

[2:01:56] I don't know.

[2:01:57] We'd have to do that calculation.

[2:01:59] Matter of fact, Dan Wigg Miller's office would have to do that

[2:02:02] because it's complicated because we've done a lot of refundies.

[2:02:07] I think on the past three, we've refunded four times, four different issues.

[2:02:11] And it becomes complicated because when you have a refunding of a past three,

[2:02:15] We may also have four or four other debts that we're refunding and they're all combined into one.

[2:02:22] So you can't just look at that interest.

[2:02:23] You have to break out the part that relates to the password.

[2:02:26] And that takes detail complicated board, which then when Miller's office would have to provide force.

[2:02:32] And we'd be glad to do that.

[2:02:34] But my statement to the court when I sent you the letter was,

[2:02:38] I never agreed that I never said that the debt would be covered by the revenue, that the debt's going to exceed the revenue.

[2:02:52] I never said that because I didn't know what that number was.

[2:03:00] And that's it.

[2:03:02] That's it.

[2:03:03] What has any questions regarding that?

[2:03:04] I'd be glad to response, so since you don't have that number, I can't do that very well at all tonight.

[2:03:11] Could be right?

[2:03:12] Could be wrong.

[2:03:12] I don't know.

[2:03:13] I don't have that number.

[2:03:14] They'd be a complicated figure.

[2:03:16] I think Dan can attest it that there's a lot of calculations that would have to occur.

[2:03:23] And the other thing is, we never told the voters that it would cover the debt.

[2:03:29] I mean, I don't know what that issue is anyway, but the fact is that they can also

[2:03:34] I mean, I mean, I mean, you mean the interest or the death, when you make that statement.

[2:03:42] You said would it cover the death, you mean the interest?

[2:03:44] The interest, Brian.

[2:03:45] We never said it would it cover the interest.

[2:03:51] Judge Ryan, just a question of cost, which will, and maybe Mr. Gerzard, or Mr. Red Miller, can help me

[2:03:56] understand as a commissioner.

[2:03:58] Now, we understand that the total reimbursement of the past through program should be about

[2:04:03] 133 million.

[2:04:04] That's correct.

[2:04:06] Okay.

[2:04:06] So, over whatever period of time that is, that money will be applied against the debt

[2:04:12] the county is issued for the projects and that is that correct.

[2:04:17] So, whatever the circumstances I can't help would think that our taxpayers have received

[2:04:23] $133 million worth of benefit from that partnership with the Texas Department of Transportation.

[2:04:30] how it gets applied. I can't help but think that at some point it's going to be applied

[2:04:35] against principle. Maybe it gives to interest. But it is 133 million dollars over a period

[2:04:41] of time that is not responsible to be able to look at times.

[2:04:45] And like the ambition, the projects came under budget. They were less than the interest

[2:04:50] rate that we projected. However, in addition to that, we did full refunds that saved over

[2:04:57] three million dollars of interest. So that dropped.

[2:05:00] So, again, it is easy enough for us to just go back and do those calculations?

[2:05:07] I think one thing to point to that kind of gets lost in the reference to, does the state

[2:05:14] money's cover the debt? And when we say debt, debt is typically principle and interest.

[2:05:22] So, did the state money cover the debt or the principle amount? Well, the proposition for the passory

[2:05:29] of financing was $148,225,000.

[2:05:34] The reimbursement was $133.79.

[2:05:37] All the spreadsheets reflected that the level of reimbursement

[2:05:40] is not equal to the project cost

[2:05:43] because of the voted authorization now.

[2:05:47] So the numbers did not line up perfectly

[2:05:51] because of how the projects were forecasted

[2:05:55] to be a future value.

[2:05:56] the interest element of that wasn't, you know, the proposition itself didn't align

[2:06:05] perfectly with the 133.7 because of how to stay calculated the reimbursement, but

[2:06:11] it was, it was disclosed each and every point in the proposition. The status of the

[2:06:17] current interest cost of those bonds we could calculate based on what we've refunded

[2:06:24] today to show what a total interest cost was. Back at that point, the projection on the

[2:06:31] pass through program was a total principle of an interest cost in the neighborhood of

[2:06:41] 269. So that would have been roughly 1309 of interest. We haven't been close to that because

[2:06:48] that was based on five and a half and five and three-quarter percent.

[2:06:53] So I think the proposition, one thing that probably gets lost in that discussion is the proposition

[2:06:58] voters voted on, specified a maximum amount to be issued for the Passive Program.

[2:07:05] And it's specified in all the literature that the reimbursement from the state was 133.7.

[2:07:13] So when you look back at that, any assertions that,

[2:07:16] You know, somehow it didn't come off in cover a lot.

[2:07:20] It was those two, the interest part of it was never aligned purely and it was more

[2:07:25] that the debt side to the principal that the projects were going to cost.

[2:07:31] Judge, I'm looking at the proposition language that Dan is referencing and it actually

[2:07:37] authorized the issuance of 207,110,000 and then referenced 133,170, but important references that

[2:07:49] number has been up to, because there's obviously contractual thresholds that need to be met

[2:07:56] for the reimbursement, and so it consistently in the literature that was disseminated by the

[2:08:03] We referenced it as up to 133 million, 177,000, and specified that the county will be responsible for all interest costs.

[2:08:13] So there was never a promise that the reimbursement would cover interest costs.

[2:08:18] In fact, it was quite the contrary.

[2:08:21] As I understand it, by law, you have to stay in interest cost anyway, so that doesn't

[2:08:27] want to specify enough situation.

[2:08:32] I'd like to also add that when we're doing these forecasts,

[2:08:38] you're trying to predict

[2:08:39] with this particular program, you're trying to predict future traffic counts and volumes,

[2:08:44] which is extremely difficult to do in a county of our size and how it's fluid and constantly changing.

[2:08:54] In other words, it's always moving in different now.

[2:08:57] That being said, we have come in to understand and well above any of those forecasts.

[2:09:05] That we went out and told people about and how that would be done.

[2:09:11] We have come up to the good on those forecasts, which has accelerated the payments from the

[2:09:18] same taxes.

[2:09:18] You have a maximum annual or a minimum payment that the state has required to make the

[2:09:23] regardless of those traffic counts.

[2:09:26] We have exceeded and what we forecasted here internally and publicly at the county.

[2:09:38] And so now we have some history to go back on and look at.

[2:09:44] You still can't perfectly project and forecast the future, of course.

[2:09:48] But we have that historical perspective now to the back of look on.

[2:09:51] It's in measure.

[2:09:53] How well we are measuring and forecasting that work.

[2:09:59] And you guys please correct me.

[2:10:00] We have been above those four cash, which means we're receiving money quicker from the state of Texas than we'll in water amounts, which means we're paying off those debts.

[2:10:12] And the only thing though that revenue can be spent for as well on the ad is that we can't.

[2:10:16] As much as I'm sure he'd like it, we can't put it in the sheriff's office. We can't put it in Jerry's Road and Bridge budget.

[2:10:22] I mean, that is at its requirement, that money coming in must go and be used for those

[2:10:28] reasons.

[2:10:30] So we are ahead of schedule on that, you know, I will say that again, the system in which

[2:10:42] we've designed and state taxes, predominantly led by, obviously led by state leadership

[2:10:47] in the legislature,

[2:10:51] in the current conditions here in central Texas and in case counting.

[2:10:56] We take the tools that we're given and we do the best to try to maintain high levels

[2:11:00] of public safety and opportunity in our community.

[2:11:11] All that being said, again, it's important to know that we have exceeded those publicly public

[2:11:20] commitments and expectations that we told people, and that is important, and that has allowed

[2:11:27] us also to do additional projects in our community that have brought higher levels of safety

[2:11:37] as well.

[2:11:38] Two aspects of that that we forget if we, those of us who built the house, go down and bar

[2:11:46] money so we can start the house. And we pay interest on that money while we're building

[2:11:52] the house. It's called interim financing. Once that is completed, then we have a mortgage

[2:11:58] on that. Well, it's sort of like that. We bought the money through funds to build the roads,

[2:12:05] but we didn't get paid back until that road was complete and accepted. And so really a big factor

[2:12:13] is the maintenance of that road. So once the state takes it, then they are responsible for maintaining

[2:12:19] that road. That's a tremendous debt burden. The state takes on for that road. I mean,

[2:12:25] people say, well, why would we pay for it and then the state take it back? Well, you better be glad

[2:12:29] they did because if we had had to maintain those roads, it would be an astronaut. And in addition,

[2:12:37] the cost of it, we would have waited not only the cost of public safety and economic development

[2:12:41] opportunity mobility, if we would have waited 10, 20 years to make those improvements to

[2:12:47] cost savings to the state of Texas for making those both of the inflationary savings

[2:12:52] to the cost state of Texas of doing that now, then 10, 20 years from now, is a very real

[2:12:57] cost as well. And I'll say at the end of the day, some of my colleagues has heard me say this

[2:13:01] and you can go through the complexity of grants, fines, fees, sales tax add grown taxes,

[2:13:07] different forms of revenue that are coming in from the federal and state government into your county

[2:13:12] jurisdiction. All day long, you can break it down 10,000 different ways.

[2:13:20] We cannot print money at the county. In the state of Texas, we are part of our Constitution

[2:13:25] rightfully so, something the federal government should try adopting. Do balance our budget.

[2:13:30] Every revenue penny as accounted for every expense every penny is accounted for and that is reflected in the bills that you pay at Hase County.

[2:13:44] Those two tax rates that you have on your tax bill, not all the tax rates, the two tax rates that are directly responsible for this county.

[2:13:56] That dollar figure at the end is something that cannot be hidden or cannot be manipulated

[2:14:02] whether you are a commercial business owner or a residential owner.

[2:14:07] That's what you pay.

[2:14:09] This county, that is your contribution and that is what's covering.

[2:14:13] Every single penny that has been spent in this institution.

[2:14:18] So each individual family, citizen and business owner, he has to ask themselves on a regular

[2:14:24] basis, if that cash dollar amount is worth the value and services in which they are getting

[2:14:30] in multiple different ways from their county government.

[2:14:34] And that is an independent, individual decision that people need to make and base that off

[2:14:39] the bank.

[2:14:39] You cannot hide that.

[2:14:41] My misstated in anything that I said there, we all see them.

[2:14:45] I have it both on the commercial end and the resident for life in my life.

[2:14:50] The end of the day cutting through all this complication, everything is there.

[2:14:54] That's what it comes down to and that is covering every form of debt, every form of operational expense.

[2:15:00] Every form of expense coming through this county and its direct, and it is a direct reflection of revenues and expenses in your contribution into your county government.

[2:15:19] Okay? All done?

[2:15:22] Go on once. Go on twice.

[2:15:24] That's it.

[2:15:28] Yeah, David.

[2:15:29] You can have three minutes.

[2:15:32] I just want to clarify some of the comments that Mr. Herzog just made,

[2:15:36] as far as that schedule that I gave you this morning.

[2:15:39] No area if I ever claimed, even thought that we were going to get

[2:15:44] our principal in debt all back at the same time.

[2:15:47] I don't know where he's coming from on that, and the schedule I gave you this morning

[2:15:52] precise one shows just interest, that's it.

[2:15:55] That's it.

[2:15:57] He gave me information.

[2:15:59] I see it right here showing how much we're going to get back for each of that.

[2:16:03] I know good and well it is, but he did tell me in that meeting that,

[2:16:08] that no, the amount we're getting back from the state is not covering the interest.

[2:16:13] That's what I've showed you, that's what I'm there, and if he wants to come up here and make it a convoluted.

[2:16:17] deal that well dead and keep talking about dead. I was only talking interest and that's it.

[2:16:24] Thank you, Judge.

[2:16:27] Okay. Thank you.

[2:16:28] All

[2:16:32] right.

[2:16:36] Mr. Zoser.

[2:16:38] The, you didn't fill out for a lunch and meeting so we can.

[2:16:42] And at the end of the day before we close out this issue.

[2:16:45] What I thought at the end of the day.

[2:16:46] Well, what I've heard Mr. Wegg Miller state in our auditor state is, is that they believe

[2:16:54] based off their estimates and forecasts that if the county found a need, a very valuable need

[2:17:06] to issue up to $250 million worth of debt, that we can honestly report and reform to the

[2:17:16] people that we represent that under circumstances and in current operations to death loads of

[2:17:23] the county that we could maintain that under the current tax rate.

[2:17:27] Bottom line is that what you said today.

[2:17:30] That's correct.

[2:17:31] With some assumptions.

[2:17:32] With the assumptions that we put into place that we feel are reasonable or conservative.

[2:17:39] And again, before any piece of that issue, the current circumstances will have to support

[2:17:47] But Dan, you know, when you're scheduled, I think you say that the proposed INS tax rate would be

[2:17:54] 12 or 6 right now is proposed at 12 or 4 so that we'd have to make some slight adjustments

[2:18:01] in the M&O or the road tax in order to maintain the tax price rate.

[2:18:08] And in the numbers we looked at, it actually drops slightly over the next few years after that.

[2:18:14] So, you know, that's probably within reasonable debt service fund balance as far as revenue

[2:18:21] allocations.

[2:18:24] Thank you.

[2:18:28] Also, the trading agency is not going to be surprised if they know we need to build a

[2:18:34] general.

[2:18:34] We've kept it in the form of capital.

[2:18:36] So, that wouldn't have to make your impact on the project, but you can go over it.

[2:18:43] Okay.

[2:18:46] Now, it's going to be a hunger shot, let's see here.

[2:18:52] Okay, why don't we go to do that ESD 9 so we can get those people back to work and covering

[2:18:58] their jobs.

[2:18:59] Number 21, discuss the possible actual laid-up post creation, the Hayes County Emergency

[2:19:04] Services District 9, the post will actually make clear resolving that creation of the district

[2:19:09] of the district.

[2:19:09] It's feasible.

[2:19:10] And resolving that the creation of the district will or will not promote public safety,

[2:19:15] Well, for our health and convenience of persons residing within the post district, if the court finds in favor of district creation

[2:19:22] it shall also take action to fix the district boundaries or in the election to confirm the district creation

[2:19:29] and expose the legal conditions of any that's right out of the statute.

[2:19:34] That's the way the statute reads.

[2:19:36] Is that correct?

[2:19:40] The issue before the court today is

[2:19:43] is the creation feasible. What will be the boundaries and is necessary to promote public safety

[2:19:52] health and welfare, if we need to support it within that district? If we find in favor of that district

[2:19:58] being created, then

[2:20:00] And we also fix the boundaries and order an election conferred. I've asked Mr. Longshale to come in and give us the needy-gritty of the Department and Martinez.

[2:20:13] And Ms. Coward's office has been instrumental in this. We've even hired consultants to help us determine who's inside the possible boundaries and who will vote for the creation and establishment of the public.

[2:20:27] Board, we have posed boundaries of the jurisdiction we're speaking of.

[2:20:34] The creation of the ESD number nine.

[2:20:39] Court questions?

[2:20:44] Now, who we, Mr. Smith, would you step up since you're a kind of the nitty-gritty cat?

[2:20:50] Now, y'all have worked out the boundaries with to take US ESDs and jurisdiction

[2:20:58] is that correct? Yes, sir. I was correct. We're met with ESD-7, which served as the Wimbledy

[2:21:02] Body. Yes. One of the issues in the potential creation of this ditch was one of the

[2:21:07] effects of one of their ESD-7's. They've been serving a large part of the pressure part

[2:21:11] of the county. Some are not ranch. Open the public, also. Kind of everything needs to

[2:21:17] list a legal road or a west of either way. From that district's contact, but they'll never

[2:21:24] subsidize with tax money. So one of the things we're really trying to do is make sure

[2:21:27] But if you pay a tax dollar, it goes to the summary service that you've been provided.

[2:21:32] It's a given us an opportunity to have a chance to kind of work in the venture.

[2:21:34] Somebody's very equitable.

[2:21:35] And the person that he has been set in this year's treatment, the owner, and then another

[2:21:40] working on their own election item to bring the area inside of their districts.

[2:21:46] So the only way that happens to be the annexation process is that correct.

[2:21:50] For that territory, the district will have to call an election.

[2:21:54] And then the district will have to hold $1.00 in both the ESD-7 and the proposed annexation

[2:22:01] territory.

[2:22:02] And then those both of those will have to pass in both territories before the annexation

[2:22:05] happened.

[2:22:07] So this has been to work out proposed boundaries of proposed DSD number 9.

[2:22:13] That is correct.

[2:22:14] And the purpose of this is to provide health and safety issues for the people within

[2:22:19] that jurisdiction.

[2:22:20] Yes, sir.

[2:22:20] And even if it would be tax for the services that they would receive, that was correct.

[2:22:26] And this purpose of this district is for the MS services and the MS services.

[2:22:31] Okay. So with the corporate acknowledged that it would be necessary to take the welfare of the people within that jurisdiction.

[2:22:42] Okay. So that's the first criteria.

[2:22:44] Now, the next criterion is, is it feasible?

[2:22:50] Well, have we decided who could vote in this of this calendar?

[2:22:56] We come to that conclusion that the people inside these values

[2:23:00] would be capable of voting for that ESD number nine judge.

[2:23:11] Well, it's like Chinese algorithms, it's hard, but it can't be done.

[2:23:17] So let's...

[2:23:19] So, David, I guess we're talking about that large pink area.

[2:23:23] That surrounds the...

[2:23:24] I guess those are the incorporated minutes of...

[2:23:26] It's the red line.

[2:23:27] It'd be the red line that starts at FM30.

[2:23:31] I want you to go to the toilet over there to county line.

[2:23:35] That's the E.T. J. and Sidney, this man marked us, also there.

[2:23:39] And they would follow the county line all the way up along the East County line to where

[2:23:42] intersex, there with Travis, and then it comes back over there, and then it follows the district

[2:23:49] lines of beauty's E.S.D. for any of the people are in that.

[2:23:54] Do you guys I wish we knew where we have is the city council.

[2:23:57] But it is a large population of county.

[2:23:59] I can tell you that talk with the other partners in the county, there is a large charity

[2:24:04] here, part of the county, and that's our story.

[2:24:07] And that's why I was created in San Marges, EMS and all that.

[2:24:12] Do we plan on mailing information sheets to citizens and these areas so that they clearly

[2:24:26] understand the facts of the situation and where they're what they were actually

[2:24:31] be voting on and what it means. We have any intentions of doing that formally through

[2:24:35] your institutions. We have plans to hold meetings as many as we can. When we've

[2:24:41] also been meeting since the first of January with the City Councils, we met with

[2:24:45] Kyle City Council and that was part of the getting us to this point. The City

[2:24:49] I'll agree after we talk through the EMS issues.

[2:24:52] This was the revenue of the avenue.

[2:24:54] They thought best fit EMS service for the area.

[2:24:57] I need a Walden Union City Council to talk to you.

[2:25:00] We talked to the Japanese Spring City Council because part of the area at 150 is in the U.T. J. I would

[2:25:05] talk to the City Assembly staff and we know that they're going to a lot inside the U.T. J. and

[2:25:10] they're going to participate. The RADC has the as a partnership. We also met with Mustang

[2:25:18] Ridge. Mustang Ridge has allowed it inside the U.T. J. J. Mountain City has a lot inside the

[2:25:25] U.T. J. In the Southern City. So there's been a lot of local elected official

[2:25:29] conversations, as far as when it comes down to the individual, like,

[2:25:33] community type of events, we've been waiting to get

[2:25:35] collaboration and see what the court had to say before we went

[2:25:40] out to start having those, before you've actually known who's

[2:25:44] eligible to vote.

[2:25:51] Judge, everyone in an area that has consented or in an

[2:25:56] unincorporated area will vote and their votes will be counted.

[2:26:01] The two areas that have not consented are creed more, which you can see there's just a smidge

[2:26:07] right up here.

[2:26:08] Yeah, how many people live in that area?

[2:26:10] I think it's one.

[2:26:12] That's one.

[2:26:12] And I think that one person happens to be a council member, is that correct?

[2:26:16] Yes, sir.

[2:26:17] That's actually part of a large ranch and his home is actually in Travis.

[2:26:21] It's just a back pasture.

[2:26:22] And so it's considered as a kind of a greed to provide him EMS.

[2:26:26] They do now, sir, because that's, it's based on where your house is located and his house

[2:26:29] This is actually in Travis. This is the back six acres of his pasture lander.

[2:26:34] You said it's a pasture lander.

[2:26:37] The other area that has not consented, as the court, I think already knows, is the city of San Marcos.

[2:26:44] The area in blue here, and you can see the red line actually just creates an island around it, essentially.

[2:26:52] That area is the city of San Marcos' corporate limits, and they have not consented within their corporate limits.

[2:26:58] They have consented in the ETJ, which is the pink area.

[2:27:03] You're obviously not going to get down into Co-mount County.

[2:27:06] It's from the State to the Hayes County line.

[2:27:11] I have water with the county.

[2:27:12] I know that we service some of that area now.

[2:27:17] How is that going to work?

[2:27:18] Who's going to provide service to them?

[2:27:20] So the Guadalupe County Commissioners actually support EMS directly out of county budget in

[2:27:25] the county and they contract with shirts EMS and then shirts EMS subcontracts out of

[2:27:32] a portion of the northern part of Guadalupe County to us through an annual contract.

[2:27:38] And then contract is actually a very beneficial for us because the government subsidy equals

[2:27:43] what our average patient revenue is. So we actually cover our expenses upfront and the need

[2:27:49] and we're in person bulls, we actually make on top of that so.

[2:27:52] So they can continue to.

[2:27:53] Yes, man.

[2:27:54] If for many years, we thought we were spending a lot of our money in that county and

[2:27:58] after we did the analysis over this years and actually out there, it's actually been

[2:28:01] profitable.

[2:28:03] So it's covering some of our charity costs back in our county by providing this service.

[2:28:07] And so the same with the city of Santa Marcus until they,

[2:28:10] such time, I guess, that they develop their own system, I guess they can contract with this

[2:28:16] You need to develop ESD even for passive.

[2:28:20] Yes, ma'am.

[2:28:22] Oh, look, so if I may before the court attempts a motion, there's a draft resolution that

[2:28:33] I'm placed in front of you labeled item 21,

[2:28:37] and it describes the consent or non-consent

[2:28:41] of all of these municipalities and the RETJs, yet then gets into the resolution of court, which

[2:28:49] makes certain findings, but as this court has discussed before, there may be an instance

[2:28:57] because Joyce and others responsible must count the, not only the hosts within the district,

[2:29:07] but also the votes that happened to occur within an ETA of a municipality, and because of

[2:29:15] the way the statute reads if a majority of the voters within, for instance, the ETA

[2:29:20] of Sam Marcus, vote no, then the district will not be created overlaying that ETA.

[2:29:31] And we've discussed in previous updates in this court whether or not a no from one of those areas would defeat feasibility, would make it no longer feasible.

[2:29:45] And I'm trying to craft at least some draft language here that is not set in stone.

[2:29:50] We've fully intended to get feedback from the court today and then finalize the resolution.

[2:29:56] And one assumption I made, you can find it in item four.

[2:30:01] And that is that if a majority of the voters within the corporate limits of Kyle, no, the district is still feasible.

[2:30:12] And that is an assumption I made, but certainly something the court can deliberate about, decide otherwise if court sees fit.

[2:30:21] If the court finds that agreeable, then really we're just discussing item three in your resolution, primarily.

[2:30:30] item three states that it is legally possible for the ETJ of San Marcos to vote no by

[2:30:41] majority and or the ETJ of Kyle to vote no by majority and then it follows by stating

[2:30:52] that some combination of those ETAs voting know may result in the court finding it not feasible

[2:31:02] and not serving the health safety and welfare of the community.

[2:31:07] So, what you're telling me is, as of today, we cannot determine the feasibility.

[2:31:12] Well, you can determine the feasibility, but then place qualifications on it, and that's why I have

[2:31:17] title of this resolution, all of the things we've called it, but then stated finally with

[2:31:23] qualifications, because I think, and Council has agreed that there may be some instances

[2:31:29] when the court would like to qualify this. I do not want to dictate that for the court.

[2:31:36] I believe we have probably some sound arguments for finding it feasible anyway from your

[2:31:49] proponents of ESD-9 and we can let Mr. Carlton or Mr. Smith, Chief Smith comment on that.

[2:31:56] But obviously the court can independently establish its opinion and then I can reflect that

[2:32:03] I don't believe.

[2:32:04] Well if we don't, if he is D never nine, who will provide the eMS for the people in the

[2:32:10] E.T. Jays of those cities?

[2:32:14] Probably who is currently providing eMS, or there could be some other arena,

[2:32:23] but I mean

[2:32:23] I think for lack of a better response right now I would say this status quo would remain.

[2:32:28] Mark, is this different than other ESDs that have been created in the past?

[2:32:35] I would think that if you're in that boundary then you vote and it's the majority

[2:32:43] of the vote rules.

[2:32:45] Why is this so...

[2:32:46] Well, it's a little complicated here because we have so much area covered by municipalities.

[2:32:52] It just happens that this is an area of the county where an ESD was

[2:32:56] never pushed for EMS service.

[2:32:59] There have been ESDs established for fire, but not for EMS.

[2:33:05] And because of that waiting, because of the fact

[2:33:08] that it never happened, we now have a rather complicated

[2:33:11] election to deal with.

[2:33:15] One of the first questions I asked them that we can't judge,

[2:33:17] is why do we have a sad mortgage as they're in the US?

[2:33:21] And basically, the reason we had one is to try to provide

[2:33:25] coverage with people who use it based.

[2:33:27] That's the bottom line,

[2:33:32] so now we give people the option to pay and have a say and how

[2:33:37] let's say get charged.

[2:33:39] So, if the Court will entertain me, I'd like to invite Mr. Carlton to make a comment on this

[2:33:45] issue, because he and I had a conversation on the phone about it last week, and I told

[2:33:50] him I'd like to, for him to possibly repeat that verbatim, I'm going to test him here

[2:33:56] see if he can repeat it for a bit.

[2:33:59] Before you do that, I want to try to get some clarity.

[2:34:04] Maybe if I read you out loud and make sense to me.

[2:34:06] The district can be lawfully created if the voters in the city of San Marcus.

[2:34:12] Or that should be an end or there in or the city of San Marcus or the city of Kiles,

[2:34:20] That's your ETA, that are in the proposed boundaries, do not proof it.

[2:34:28] So let me explain that part before you move on.

[2:34:31] What we're saying here is that this ETA could buy majority vote, no, right.

[2:34:39] Yet the people in these unincorporated areas and in this ETA and out here could all vote, yes, and

[2:34:47] because of the racialists and people who are going to get us versus no, the districts could still be created.

[2:34:55] Lee Lee speaking.

[2:34:58] And likewise,

[2:35:00] The city of Kyle's E2G could buy majority vote, no, but it's still, in fact, it's quite feasible that they could vote, no.

[2:35:07] And if these are yeses and elsewhere, then it gets created anyway.

[2:35:13] So, that's really a lead in, and I guess technically speaking, if turnout here was extremely low,

[2:35:20] then these areas here and here could overcome the no vote and the district could still be created.

[2:35:27] But, and so the court needs to find whether it's feasible still, if you get noticed by

[2:35:36] majority here and or here, what do you want to do with this district?

[2:35:41] Because at some point the court may think, well, it still makes sense and Mr. Crofton will

[2:35:46] make his argument as to why, or the court could say that doesn't make sense anymore.

[2:35:50] Well, I think I'm understanding what you're trying to describe, and certainly we'll hear the opinions of stakeholders in the process.

[2:36:03] But this is because of history and how all this was set up throughout our county years ago in many different areas.

[2:36:12] This is already complicated

[2:36:18] to form a district in, for example, either or are both the

[2:36:28] ETAs were not in approval.

[2:36:33] I think you go back to the drawing board before you just create further cluster and confusion

[2:36:39] and a

[2:36:43] complete hodgepodge of service across our county that, again, I'm open minded to different things,

[2:36:51] but as you can see, you've already complicated on the map. You take those things out, and you have a,

[2:36:58] you have a, I mean, really something that doesn't look anything like something that should be

[2:37:12] anything else. It looks like a real quilt portally.

[2:37:17] Two to that point. You'll notice that I have not included in Item 3, then any reference

[2:37:23] to Mountain City in the need of Wall, Uland, because my assumption again is that the court

[2:37:31] would find that it's still feasible even if this area dropped out. The only area I've included

[2:37:38] for consideration where you might alter your finding feasibility would be this area in pink

[2:37:45] and this area in light blue. Because those are large areas and it would possibly bisect the

[2:37:55] the area being covered.

[2:37:58] Unless, of course, the status quo remained, but the status quo remained

[2:38:02] with this entity that was created over part of the area.

[2:38:06] And also just to get all, so to me, that's that's that's a question more.

[2:38:14] I want to hear from Ms. New and my people in the Wimbler area if they're good with this,

[2:38:19] as the idea of how it will go forward, I think that they are.

[2:38:23] And second, just follow all my issues out that we all can think about them.

[2:38:28] The maximum 10 cent.

[2:38:31] Now I understand that that is that is the maximum level out by law.

[2:38:39] I know there are districts within Hayes County that are at different levels, obviously.

[2:38:47] And I'd like to know that I'd like to be reminded of where we believe we're going to start out.

[2:38:53] If I remember Chief, I think it's somewhere 3 or 5.

[2:38:56] I'll fuck my head.

[2:39:03] So what I would be interested to have a discussion about is, is, and I think I know how this works.

[2:39:11] I just want to confirm it.

[2:39:15] If you capped it, say to, I'm just making something up.

[2:39:18] Say you capped it at six or five.

[2:39:21] What is the process if the ISD felt that that was then maxed out in no longer to provide a quality service.

[2:39:30] based off that rate, what is the process for getting it up to the maximum rate allowed by law

[2:39:38] of if we were to cap that further in this district?

[2:39:47] You have a similar question.

[2:39:49] I think so, but let me say clear,

[2:39:54] if you feel like there is not any today or in the course

[2:39:58] of the future to go up.

[2:40:00] One of the maximized rate of tints since the state of Texas allows underbottle laws. I would very much like to cap that further through the creation of this district so that people have a good understanding of what that maximum ceiling is for this particular service on there, on their phone taxes and to have a process that has more citizen involvement and in some sort of electoral process.

[2:40:30] And the ESD would have to go out and make the case to the people that is paying the bills

[2:40:34] and why that caption would be lifted to $8 to $9 or to the maximum spent allowed by Texas

[2:40:41] State Law.

[2:40:42] Is that clear?

[2:40:44] I understand exactly where you're wanting to go.

[2:40:46] I have a couple of things.

[2:40:47] I'm going to fail to verbatim.

[2:40:49] I'm going to put that out there.

[2:40:51] To the process, if you were to choose to put a cap on the maximum rate through this election

[2:40:58] and the district order decided at some point in the future that they really needed to bump

[2:41:03] that cap up. The district would have pulled an election to do so. The cost of that

[2:41:09] election, or this area with the population here, I'm not sure how much, it's always how

[2:41:15] the charges. This district for doing that was a minimum. But the district would pay it would

[2:41:22] bear the cost of that election at that point in time, whatever that might be. And in

[2:41:27] I'll likely have that stir contract with the county to conduct the election for them, but I don't know that I can project what that cost would be, but that would be the process.

[2:41:41] With regard to the verbatim conversation that I can't repeat, but I'll do my best to get it somewhat close.

[2:41:52] I understand that the desire not to create this really ugly

[2:41:56] patchwork quilt of service area and we're here in large part because we want, as you

[2:42:04] want, the folks within the area pay for their own services and have their

[2:42:09] say and be responsible for their own service rather than the county and the city

[2:42:16] continuing the city's continuing to be in this kind of, who's going to pay for what, how do we control it and all that sort of stuff.

[2:42:24] So to clean that up would be ideal. The ideal outcome would be everybody votes yes.

[2:42:29] Now we've got our emergency services consolidated in one area.

[2:42:33] But the reality, the legal reality of it is based on voter turnout and how people feel about it.

[2:42:39] We may end up with areas that drop in or out of this proposed district.

[2:42:45] And so, as I think Mark was laying out, you kind of were looking to you for guidance.

[2:42:52] How much of this area needs to vote in in order for you to feel comfortable that this

[2:42:59] district can make at least a good portion of all the good portion of this problem where

[2:43:04] you've been funding M.S. through county tax dollars in a small portion of the county.

[2:43:11] whereas the rest of the county is paying for their own way.

[2:43:16] So, you look up there.

[2:43:18] Sandbox is obviously just out of there.

[2:43:21] They don't want to be part of the district.

[2:43:22] They want to kind of call their own shots.

[2:43:25] The citizens within the city of Kyle gets a vote to decide whether they want to do that one

[2:43:29] where are the others.

[2:43:30] So those two areas obviously those cities have the ability to tax their folks independently.

[2:43:35] Same thing for folks within the city limits of mountain city,

[2:43:38] You need a wall, you lend a apologize for any cities I'm forgetting in terms of city limits.

[2:43:46] Those folks could decide within those cities to tax and provide their own e-mess service.

[2:43:50] The real challenge becomes the E.T.J.'s because the E.T.J.'s don't have a property tax mechanism

[2:43:55] other than the county's property tax currently in place.

[2:43:59] This district would create that property tax and the ability to fund that service.

[2:44:03] But as you look at the map,

[2:44:08] I think it's for you guys to decide, wow, if the San

[2:44:11] Marcus ETJ voted no, as a subset of the whole district and the whole district voted

[2:44:19] yes, then would we want to allow the district to be created and go forward, recognizing

[2:44:28] As in that we would still have to figure out a way to solve EMS in San Martin C.T.J., which

[2:44:35] is what Mark suggested might be status quo where the county continues to fund that in

[2:44:39] that area.

[2:44:40] We figure out some other method of which I'm not aware, but we might.

[2:44:44] Or is the fact that the San Martin C.T.J. votes out enough to say not, let's just strap

[2:44:51] a whole idea because it's obviously too complicated and we're just going to county's just

[2:44:55] to keep funding status for the whole area now.

[2:45:01] That's kind of the question, and that question arises for Piles E.T.J., which is significantly smaller than the San Marcos E.T.J. in the area.

[2:45:12] And it arises for the smaller cities E.T.J. as well,

[2:45:17] but not as significant as I don't think the populations are quite that way.

[2:45:22] I would think that if, you know, if you look at it, if Sam Marcus and Kyle both city limits

[2:45:30] in ETAJ, if all those areas, but know this, the district overall probably doesn't pass,

[2:45:34] just because of voters, just because of the percentage of voters.

[2:45:38] But that's really where the resolution is drafted, and I think the primary focus from what

[2:45:44] not discuss this, do you create under the circumstance that either Kiles, E.T.J. or St. Markets

[2:45:52] as E.T.J. or both of them, but no, do you want this district to go forward?

[2:45:57] I can make an argument that yes you do because any money funding from those areas where you

[2:46:01] don't currently have the ability to generate tax revenue helps offset what you have to push

[2:46:06] from other parts of the county into this area to fund the MS. But it creates a bit of a ugly

[2:46:13] that work will, if that happens.

[2:46:15] Well, if a frog had wings, he wouldn't muck his bottles.

[2:46:19] So I'm going to write that one down.

[2:46:21] You probably are asking us to rewrite the King James Bible here.

[2:46:27] There's no way to put all of that in the verbiage

[2:46:31] that every voter can understand.

[2:46:34] It's didn't happen.

[2:46:35] What are you talking about having this lecture?

[2:46:38] And current with the November 8th election, or when?

[2:46:41] Yes.

[2:46:42] But this reverberate is for you and not for the voter, the voter will simply vote yes or no to the creation of the district.

[2:46:50] Okay, the question before the court today is, is it feasible?

[2:46:55] Is it necessary?

[2:46:58] That's one of the questions, yes.

[2:46:59] Setting the districts boundaries is another, I think that's sort of a given at this point.

[2:47:03] Well, I do that, we're fine.

[2:47:05] They've done that.

[2:47:07] And so in the process, Ms. Collins' office will come up with a list of people eligible to vote,

[2:47:14] yeah, you're bad on the creation of this.

[2:47:18] Because I think the taxpayers should be the one in the term before they get taxed or not.

[2:47:24] And I think implicit in the voting is they need to say how much you're going to get taxed.

[2:47:30] In other words, one of the problems I have with the balance is that it's often unclear whether

[2:47:36] Yes, it's a no or no, it's a yes and what what are you doing here? What are you doing because I don't want it to end up on their tax bill and say what is this?

[2:47:44] Who voted for this? Well you didn't

[2:47:48] So let's let's be very clear that if we decided to do it that the ballot is really important to me that we have the people understand what they're voting for or what they're voting me can

[2:48:00] And it has to be clear to them that you're currently receiving him as services

[2:48:05] But you're not paying directly for them.

[2:48:10] And the other people in the county are paying for that.

[2:48:16] And that's, you know, the best of all worlds is user-pays.

[2:48:19] If you don't use it, you don't pay.

[2:48:21] Well, that's nice to think.

[2:48:24] But you hope you don't have an EDM as.

[2:48:26] But when you do, you need them.

[2:48:28] And so those are things that are going to happen.

[2:48:30] You're going to have to do a lot of community outbreaks

[2:48:32] and educate them, so they know exactly what their choices are, so they can be formed and make

[2:48:39] a good choice, because it's expensive to hold elections and have your things dashed.

[2:48:45] So this approximation you can pose here, Councillor, is a resolution of the court that the

[2:48:52] district be creating, that election be held once the boundaries have been determined, they

[2:48:58] It's a weird, and it's one document meeting our statute for the response, our statute

[2:49:04] to response of the fees, is that correct?

[2:49:07] That's correct, Judge.

[2:49:09] The only question mark we still have then, and perhaps I can just put it to you in a series

[2:49:14] of questions,

[2:49:17] but we just need to get clear feedback on what you find to be feasible and not

[2:49:21] So, may I ask a question within the municipalities section of San Marcos because the position

[2:49:31] of the city may?

[2:49:34] You had affluent taxes inside the city of Kyle, you have affluent taxes inside one of

[2:49:40] other cities that would be taking this under consideration within their incorporated area.

[2:49:46] Mount City.

[2:49:47] and you're not in the city, you're all in the world, you and have, at home, taxes.

[2:49:56] Well, they would, this, this, this, this, this.

[2:50:00] Directorate would have understand why I'm trying to go, where I want to try to go is perhaps if any one of

[2:50:08] those incorporated municipal areas within their direct municipal boundaries, not in the

[2:50:18] in the corporate boundaries.

[2:50:22] Don't vote for this.

[2:50:24] All right.

[2:50:24] Let's say you and doesn't vote for this inside its corporate boundaries.

[2:50:30] Then that city will have an ability to work with

[2:50:38] Contract somebody to provide services to people in you or

[2:50:43] whoever that may be. And so what I'm going with this, I think, is in my opinion of what I see

[2:50:51] is if it fails in the E.T.J., I think we keep bridging this thing and go back and try to

[2:51:02] develop something that is more comprehensive that will go back at it and go back and educate

[2:51:09] people and go back with a stronger plan. If it fails and so I'm saying if it fails and any of those

[2:51:17] the ETAs scrap it and start over and if it fails inside one of the corporate boundaries of the

[2:51:25] cities then that corporate city can handle and manage that issue. So let me that's what I'm

[2:51:33] That's why I think I'm coming down on this if that makes sense to that.

[2:51:39] Let me clarify, Commissioner.

[2:51:41] Your statement is that, and I think you're talking about the E.T.J.s of Kyle and Sam Marpas here

[2:51:46] and not for instance the E.T.J. of one of these municipalities here.

[2:51:50] I mean, I'm not familiar with the E.T.J. of Uland and U.L. and U.L.

[2:51:54] You're talking about that here, and thank you so much.

[2:51:56] I have there in the right.

[2:51:58] Do you want this?

[2:52:00] No, because I don't just manage to shake it or let me do this.

[2:52:05] Okay, so, well, I'm going to start a nervous,

[2:52:07] I mean, one in first, that, and that,

[2:52:10] that I have to eat in j's and drink in springs.

[2:52:14] So it's pretty small.

[2:52:15] Yep, yep, yep.

[2:52:17] Based on what you said, the question is,

[2:52:19] if that area goes, no, do you fail to be a carpenter?

[2:52:23] Because of those, because of those areas.

[2:52:25] Right.

[2:52:25] And I think this is what Mark's getting at.

[2:52:28] This right here, which is now covered with my fingers,

[2:52:31] we need you to take a treatment one.

[2:52:33] It's about, excuse me, my fingers.

[2:52:34] You're messing around with me.

[2:52:36] And that, in fact, is easily able to take care of this way.

[2:52:40] I worry, the answer to the both of us is now,

[2:52:42] we need to just sign up, I understand.

[2:52:44] The question then becomes, this is, I believe,

[2:52:50] needs to take a media role.

[2:52:53] That's what we need to all say, let us kind of string in through there.

[2:52:57] I would like to say a question.

[2:52:58] There, the Netherlands, with the light.

[2:53:03] Of course, as the Netherlands area, and the Nazis of the other.

[2:53:10] So I think the question for you is which,

[2:53:16] the failure of which E.T.J. makes you say,

[2:53:20] bracket all over. Well, I think, I think, again, just from my perspective, I think definitely

[2:53:25] the ETA, I'd say, Marcus and City Cop. I mean, that doesn't make sense. So, if that

[2:53:32] doesn't work, and then beyond that, the county court needs to make a decision on what they feel

[2:53:38] comfortable with because that is going to be our care and problem. Wherever we were just pointing

[2:53:48] you know, in the other areas. And frankly, as one member of this court, I would rather deal with it more

[2:53:54] comprehensively and holistically, again, just kind of starting over, maybe with an exception of the corner somewhere.

[2:54:01] But for the most part, I'd rather start over instead of continuing this kind of hodgepodge in this process we've had in place now for as long as I'm here.

[2:54:10] Yeah, but to some degree, I agree with that, but if you go and have your meetings with these

[2:54:18] folks, you know, and I would encourage you that you need to go have meetings with the community,

[2:54:24] and if they both, yes, that they want that provided, then why would we say, if they both

[2:54:33] Yes, heavily in those areas, because apparently, and I guess I knew, you know, before this

[2:54:40] day that we were going to have to separate, talking to Joyce, that we were going to have

[2:54:44] to separate the votes of, you know, depending on what ETA they were in, which is seems

[2:54:52] crazy.

[2:54:52] But anyway, if we're going to have to do that, and if those areas in need are walled, you

[2:54:59] land in Boca.

[2:55:00] Assembly, yes, they wanted them, but did we not support them for as did you live in the E.T.J. Sunmarkers?

[2:55:07] Correct.

[2:55:07] You're me voting on this.

[2:55:08] That's right.

[2:55:09] Mark, you live in the E.T.J., you live in the city.

[2:55:13] What do you live?

[2:55:14] I'm out of this judge, I live.

[2:55:16] I live in this.

[2:55:16] Can we clap?

[2:55:17] No, I'm a judge, I'm a judge, I'm a judge, I'm a judge, I'm a judge, I'm a judge, I'm a judge.

[2:55:29] and inclusive, you know, we'd want the entire district to support this, but if we don't,

[2:55:35] to then. I guess what I'm going to do, there's always in the people, and what we're going to do,

[2:55:40] what I'm going to do, if it doesn't, and let's hope that we can educate people as a community,

[2:55:46] and they understand it as is all over. What I'm trying to prevent is the status quo of this county

[2:55:53] continuing to have to deal with this situation through countywide budgets as we will have to do

[2:56:05] to some degree. If, for example, the E.T. J. and Sam Marcus passes and the E.T. J. J. and

[2:56:14] the E.T. J. and the E.T. J. and the E.T. J. J. and the E.T. J. and Carl were to fail. It's a

[2:56:23] different problem, but we're in the same problem.

[2:56:26] So why not just start over and make it cup, make it?

[2:56:28] Well, the solution, you know, they're still pretty good.

[2:56:31] It's been a while, it's pretty efficient.

[2:56:34] We'll still be perfect.

[2:56:35] Well, we'll do a bigger degree than we are now.

[2:56:39] But it's what solution is a county-wide ESD.

[2:56:43] I think, well, I take a few with that, but of course you did.

[2:56:47] But I'm telling you that that's the ultimate solution.

[2:56:50] But not for the taxpayer.

[2:56:52] That's right.

[2:56:52] I'm sure commissionering is B.A. You're right, but it's just, I think it makes it harder, I think it just makes it harder to explain the issue even further, frankly.

[2:57:05] And then how do you provide a decent level of service?

[2:57:10] I'm much as a grain, perhaps, with the folks in the dripping E.T.J.

[2:57:15] I mean, that's, as I understand it, a very small one. You actually know what area that is, what sort of vision that might be,

[2:57:21] or anything.

[2:57:24] Dr. J!

[2:57:24] Dr. J is the deputy, D R, and je can't!

[2:57:27] Dr. J is the deputy.

[2:57:27] Dr. J is the deputy, D. J from Caldero.

[2:57:28] Here you have it!

[2:57:29] Come bowl with cob.

[2:57:30] That is Donald's German ranch, and this is 1967 right here.

[2:57:33] Okay.

[2:57:35] Those are good businesses for the barn.

[2:57:37] Yeah, so long how much a weak and linear MS.

[2:57:39] Hays can't sell or because he's kind of GMS today.

[2:57:43] Oh, 400 per.

[2:57:44] I believe 425 was our last year's budget amount.

[2:57:49] We have more than that for next year's budget, which regards the success or value of the creation of this, that we will be funding the MS for at least.

[2:58:00] So we're funding 425 right now, and if this district is partially maybe created, we could still be funding, possibly that much, maybe a little less depending on what areas are, you know, it's want to be in it.

[2:58:14] But if we scrap that and start all over, then we're probably going to be funding

[2:58:20] Samarkasace County MS700,000 or more?

[2:58:25] I would guess somewhere in London.

[2:58:26] It's a long run there.

[2:58:27] It's sitting right there.

[2:58:28] You're getting the MS services now.

[2:58:31] But if you create this digital, you're going to get taxed.

[2:58:34] Right.

[2:58:34] And that's probably inequality of the system as I live in the E.T.J. Samarkas

[2:58:40] increasing three where currently I have self-hased fire is my SD. I do not have any MS,

[2:58:45] the SD, and I do not pay a city tax. So I'm one of those that is receiving

[2:58:49] the MS via the Hayes County's funding of St. Marketsay, where Mr. Kennedy loves

[2:58:55] he lives in a different situation and he has to pay.

[2:58:58] I pay twice.

[2:58:59] I have to do different entities.

[2:59:02] I think that's the same thing so that I do.

[2:59:05] So I think that's what this the idea was that this would somehow be able to clear that

[2:59:09] But the problem is, when you count the votes individually by jurisdiction, is when the confusion can happen.

[2:59:15] I would say it's less likely that ETAs or cities need a wall, or Eland would pass it, and another large jurisdiction would not pass, and it would still be created.

[2:59:25] I don't think that's probably a possibility, just because of numbers.

[2:59:29] The more likelihood is that it gets created by 51 percent, and that there are some jurisdictions that did not approve it, that's more likely.

[2:59:36] maybe you went, says no, 50% of the people on you and show up and say no, however, 51%

[2:59:44] of the total district voted yes. That's much more likely than need a hold and you went

[2:59:49] supporting it and then it not being created. If it's going to get created, it's going

[2:59:56] to take 51% of the people that are within the side of that.

[3:00:00] And we have to make that to me. Right, you have to determine which one of those are important to its creation or not. I think the E.T.Js of Kyle and Sam Marcus are the most important when it comes to that. And just the functionality of what that service would be. If you were had little holes that you did cover, and then you, there was a reason to serve.

[3:00:21] I'm trying to look beyond, as the Christian has identified,

[3:00:25] a very real threat, short-term benefits to county institutions,

[3:00:31] to the longer-term best and most efficient operation in district.

[3:00:41] And if say some of those pockets for whatever different reasons that we can predict or know,

[3:00:47] It's why I think if it's a funding issue for the SDI, I think that Prashmack has one

[3:00:51] commissioner.

[3:00:52] Prashmack, the county can work with them to put some information in people's mailboxes,

[3:00:58] because it's very, very confusing to people.

[3:01:03] What let me ask you this commissioner, at that point in time, let's say, let's say, those folks

[3:01:09] over it, you decide for some reason to vote against an airplane as a pass.

[3:01:16] What is the argument beyond the greater good of the community and good citizenship for them to ever, at that point in time, not have the county funds, of course, and for the ESD.

[3:01:33] Can I talk about that? Mr. Chair, what is a one cent change in tax worth?

[3:01:41] For Hayes County, I think it's going to be 1.6 million for fiscal year 17.

[3:01:47] So, when you look at it, they have much of your taxes going to a certain cost.

[3:01:53] Then you can put it in reality.

[3:01:55] You will stuck with that in corporate school.

[3:01:57] And it's, you know, the, the, the, the county funds are Samarkis Hayes through the partnership with Samarkis,

[3:02:03] and then other contracts did entities, which included the city of Kyle and others.

[3:02:07] The county's portion of that, which, whether it's 425 or more, is not going to equal what

[3:02:15] the rate for the person voting for the CDC is going to see.

[3:02:19] So to them, it's 4 cents on their valuation, obviously, the county portion of that is nowhere

[3:02:27] near 4 cents right now.

[3:02:28] It's correct.

[3:02:29] It's a very small percentage, so that's part of it they are going to be voting to either

[3:02:34] create the tax and entity, or not create a tax and entity.

[3:02:38] That's the first question in that I would hate for someone to believe that if they vote for it,

[3:02:44] and create a forcent tax increase on their property, that they're going to somehow see a forcent tax decrease.

[3:02:50] I'm going to have from either the city of Kyle, Hayes County, or any other property tax jurisdiction,

[3:02:57] because that's not, that isn't how it's working right now.

[3:02:59] will just like the ACC district in common.

[3:03:03] Same difference.

[3:03:05] Just because ACC poses a nine-cent text

[3:03:07] is not mean your county or city text go down to nine cents.

[3:03:11] It just doesn't work out that way.

[3:03:12] Now, why should I vote for this?

[3:03:16] When I'm going to be charged four cents,

[3:03:19] and I'm already paying county taxes,

[3:03:22] but how will my service improve?

[3:03:27] I think the biggest thing is

[3:03:28] like Commissioner Collie Talks in Wembley.

[3:03:30] They look for a brilliant mess because they have local control over them.

[3:03:33] They get to make a decision as a community on how they provide the MS services.

[3:03:38] One of the biggest issues is the fact that with having multiple government agencies

[3:03:42] participating in funding the MS service is the charity care and only falls in the

[3:03:48] counties in some of the seasers and water coming individuals and to make those

[3:03:53] share of expenses that will become very difficult.

[3:03:56] Well, you know, it's like, it's like the roads that are in Northern Peas County, I don't use those very often, but I pay for them, that's the way it works.

[3:04:04] It's good, I don't have anybody in school, but I pay for them.

[3:04:07] All the school district buildings and all of that, the salaries and everything else.

[3:04:11] But that's just the way it works in the democratic society.

[3:04:15] This is one chance we give people its opportunity to vote on who gets taxed and how much.

[3:04:21] And that's just part of it.

[3:04:22] and judge may I ask how much is the win berley, Julia how much is the jailsteads work, it's

[3:04:29] it's most likely the 6.980.

[3:04:36] They're not a lot of commercial interest carrying that in the win blue valley either, that's

[3:04:40] predominately.

[3:04:41] What are you going to have at the Lorne tax, city tax, so

[3:04:45] the city as you know judge is a very small part of the valley, so

[3:04:49] that's a, but they tend to control everything I get also.

[3:04:53] Can I just judge the version?

[3:04:54] If it fails and we determine that and we scrap it, then we need to...

[3:05:01] We're going to have to come up in a big way. Funding is not just going to be important. And we've got to be committed to that because this is important. And it's just like you say. I mean, we always hope that we don't have to use the service. But when it's one of our loved ones, and it's needed and we expect it. And so we're going to have to be willing to provide funding for that.

[3:05:26] and we talked to the death of the server.

[3:05:30] What's the most important thing?

[3:05:31] They want to say mission.

[3:05:32] There's been patiently listening to them.

[3:05:34] So if everybody wants to go to lunch,

[3:05:36] you'd better break down,

[3:05:37] because I'm going to have my work there.

[3:05:39] All right.

[3:05:39] Here you go.

[3:05:41] This is your chance.

[3:05:42] Well, that's not my chance.

[3:05:43] It's the chances for all the other people

[3:05:46] paying taxes and hay scouting

[3:05:47] in the other existing ESDs,

[3:05:50] either fire or CMS.

[3:05:52] Because those are areas that are

[3:05:54] somewhat bound by community.

[3:05:55] But if you look very closely, you'll find that they're also bound by topography and geography.

[3:06:02] And when you're providing an emergent service via our medical, the district you have to

[3:06:07] travel to provide that service becomes important.

[3:06:11] The ability to provide that service, in my opinion, because of the circumstances across

[3:06:17] our county, is not only a consideration of life, it's a consideration of responsibility.

[3:06:25] Now, Hayes County has always and probably will continue to provide an opportunity for medical service across this county.

[3:06:37] And I think we have a lot of years that we can thank the opportunity we were able to do that through the San Marcos Hayes County MS.

[3:06:44] But the circumstances with the financing, the ability to plan for that service as a service,

[3:06:52] a nonprofit service compared to an established taxing district has found its ability

[3:06:58] waning and will even go further away because of changes in federal law, because of changes

[3:07:05] in demographics.

[3:07:07] So I think as a responsible county commissioner, the reason I think this should be supported

[3:07:12] is because it provides an equitable base for all the general communities and

[3:07:18] Hayes County to take up the responsibility of providing an emergency service that

[3:07:24] they have an ability to have direct say so in by the reference that would be

[3:07:31] posed on necessary in the particular areas of jurisdiction.

[3:07:37] Will it mean more taxes to some of the people in that area?

[3:07:40] I can't help the thing that it will, but what they don't have right now is an ability to vote directly in it.

[3:07:48] And what their neighbors in four fifths of the rest of this county don't have is a tax burden that is not their direct consideration.

[3:07:58] They only get to vote for one commissioner and one part of the rest of that county, compared to the one commissioner too.

[3:08:05] It's quite frankly, I have responsibility in this area too.

[3:08:09] I have citizens in precinct four in this area, but at some point in time, if the county

[3:08:16] doesn't provide the opportunity for our citizens to exercise their responsibilities that

[3:08:22] I think we find ourselves at some fault.

[3:08:25] Now, in a practical term, if the county, which is the only area we have for jurisdiction

[3:08:30] in the unincorporated area, if you think that's a patchwork map, you ought to see this

[3:08:35] county compared to E.T.J. and non-incarparinitaries. And if you think this county or any other administrative

[3:08:42] body can put together an EMS service that serves only the unincarparinitaries and Hayes County as

[3:08:48] it's currently configured, probably would be more so in the future I think is an exercise that's

[3:08:54] not good because I can't find any effective ability in that. The communities are the ones that

[3:09:01] find their first effective community ability and also should be their responsibility.

[3:09:07] If it's some point in time, the Hayes County map is covered, there's nothing but E.T.J.

[3:09:13] municipality, quite frankly, ladies and gentlemen, those cities must take to add to you

[3:09:17] then take up the responsibility of their emergent services.

[3:09:21] But this is the best thing I think Hayes County can do right now because it exercise

[3:09:26] responsibilities, self-determination, and equity. Thank you for the time. Thank you, Peter

[3:09:32] Henry. Appreciate it.

[3:09:34] Well, you're responsible.

[3:09:36] Some passes.

[3:09:38] I can tell you exactly what I think, because we just experienced this, and he is the one.

[3:09:44] We are public servants, whether you're elected or appointed, and you have the responsibility

[3:09:49] to do the best you can with what you have to work with.

[3:09:52] Now that might be mean you're going to have the best, that mean you're going to have the worst, but the responsibility is still there to provide what you can.

[3:10:00] The end within the bounds of your ability. I would also note that if Chief Smith feels like that in a range of four to five senses, an operative cap for his referendum, his authority created by referendum, that makes it the second lowest in this county quite frankly.

[3:10:20] There's only one other lower and that's the SD1.

[3:10:26] So two things on the table,

[3:10:28] or at least one direct thing, what is our decision on?

[3:10:33] If certain ETCJs fail and some don't,

[3:10:35] how do we want to view that in the maintaining

[3:10:41] this new district or starting over basically?

[3:10:44] And then two would be the question of the cap and right now

[3:10:49] at the state maximum, I would like to cap that at a lower rate and would like to have a discussion

[3:10:58] about that one if you'd be reasonable and responsible about that front, I think it's a

[3:11:02] good measure. This is almost like a Supreme Court appointment. You get kind of one shot

[3:11:08] to have headphones over this and then it's kind of all.

[3:11:12] If you set up a maximum now, then they can always go back to the voters and race. That's

[3:11:19] right, just and that's what we're trying to accomplish, but we don't want to make up something

[3:11:23] silly.

[3:11:23] We don't want to cap it at one cent, we're six months from now, one that can't do their job

[3:11:28] at six months from now, they're like, who once said it doesn't work, and that's the

[3:11:31] He's done the numbers, and you were saying it's between three and four percent.

[3:11:36] It's right, it's right, it's right.

[3:11:38] I think three, nine, seven was the one we had, but that's what it does.

[3:11:41] It doesn't make sense.

[3:11:44] It doesn't make sense to make it an optimal from the beginning, because you said the

[3:11:48] So low that you can't possibly make it.

[3:11:50] Now I would like to see, I would like to see values that have been estimated in that area.

[3:11:54] There's a lot of commercial development in that area.

[3:11:58] So how things normally work is that should be able to maintain a low rate and not get up with that out.

[3:12:06] So we can take a break and we can evaluate that data to make a reasonable decision without that data

[3:12:17] information, I think, where I'm comfortable at right now is capping at least at no higher than

[3:12:26] six cents. And going from there, I'd like it to be lower, but you're telling me. Part of the

[3:12:33] figure out a thing, Commissioner, is the feasibility is if you don't have four cents that you

[3:12:41] are not feasible. But what I'm saying, Judge, since this is a newly drawn jurisdiction,

[3:12:45] I don't have those values, I don't know if it's $2 billion in that district or if it's $10 billion.

[3:12:55] It's picking up for example.

[3:12:57] It's a lot of commercial development in precinct one.

[3:13:01] That should help carry the bills for.

[3:13:04] There's quite a bit in for most of the time.

[3:13:07] T.T.J. of Kyle and Brian.

[3:13:09] There's all kinds of places that are spreading.

[3:13:12] And that's one of our issues we're discussing later in our agenda.

[3:13:18] I don't know if the court agrees with that, but at the minimum, I think we need to

[3:13:21] cap it at six.

[3:13:24] And right now it's written in the Resolutionist Tint.

[3:13:27] Well, that's the legal standard from the state.

[3:13:30] That's the state.

[3:13:31] That's the state.

[3:13:32] Yes, sir.

[3:13:33] What do you think?

[3:13:33] I would agree.

[3:13:34] I think.

[3:13:37] If nothing else, if you're going to vote over there for any of them, I think you need

[3:13:40] exhibit that your purpose is there and that your responsibility and it is that you're providing

[3:13:46] the best estimate you can to provide that service and at some point less than what the

[3:13:51] state maximum is because there are there are a number of districts in Hayes County that

[3:13:59] have a cap that's at the state maximum. But I'm not aware of any of them that tax it any

[3:14:05] right higher than about 7.6, I think.

[3:14:08] That was a big discussion in Kyle, wasn't it?

[3:14:10] Yeah, I'm hearing him.

[3:14:11] We could, in that.

[3:14:12] That could be greater, but here he is.

[3:14:15] It varies by each annual budget, but they too are quite honestly directly affected by the same thing

[3:14:24] that's affecting some orchestra's gap.

[3:14:26] It's the ability to create and provide revenue for the base service from the revenue

[3:14:32] abilities that you have or plan to have in the foreseeable future.

[3:14:38] There's lots of happening in those that those that that's committed down in Andy or.

[3:14:44] I'm sorry Mr. Richardson.

[3:14:46] Chief, do you have any of those that's committed values?

[3:14:48] Well, you can call the presentation given.

[3:14:50] We just need Hayes called World One, EST-5, EST-3, that will give you the total evaluation.

[3:14:56] Those three five.

[3:14:57] I have to do that.

[3:14:58] Come up with an estimate.

[3:14:59] you have

[3:15:01] That's why he said four cents. We just don't have the latest ones. We're always seeking the last one more thing for you.

[3:15:10] Okay, what are we going to do? So, I've modified the resolution to reflect the six cents. First discuss this article three again one more time, if you'll entertain me.

[3:15:23] And let me just talk out some options.

[3:15:27] Currently, it's drafted that if a majority of the voters

[3:15:30] within the city of Sam Marcus's ETA, or a majority of the voters

[3:15:35] within Kyle's ETA, ETA vote, no, then it's not feasible.

[3:15:40] And I believe that's what I heard Commissioner Conley say.

[3:15:44] For sure.

[3:15:45] It could be that you state that as an end, instead of an war,

[3:15:50] meaning that if this area and this area together both know that it's not feasible,

[3:15:58] alternatively,

[3:16:00] and you know, I referenced bisecting the coverage area of the district earlier, if the

[3:16:07] ETJ of Sam Marcus did vote no,

[3:16:11] and the ETJ of Kyle voted yes, you would still have a continuous

[3:16:16] district that runs up through this area and the status quo could be maintained here by way of a contract

[3:16:25] with either what St. Marcus creates or what the ESD has service-wise or both some combination

[3:16:35] in their own and they can still contract with tribe. Redwood and that bond. In that instance

[3:16:43] In that instance, we would only list a no vote from the city of Kyle, in Article 3, and not a no vote from the same market.

[3:16:53] So Kyle would be the fabric.

[3:16:55] The E.T.J. of Kyle, sort of that is.

[3:16:58] And if the city of San Marcos and E.T.J. were to say no, and this thing still receives 51% of the population in Kyle and its E.T.J. at most likely said yes.

[3:17:10] if not, it's not passing anyway, and there's, I think there's enough population in

[3:17:14] the same RPCTJ that, 51% of the people in the same RPCTJ vote note, and it still

[3:17:19] gets created, it must be because pile overwhelmingly supported its creation.

[3:17:24] That's right.

[3:17:27] Okay, would you accept it with that 6% cap?

[3:17:33] That's the 4% cap, but I want to head and made the edit, because I did not hear any objection

[3:17:39] court obviously I can make any other edit that court resolved to make. So in our resolution here

[3:17:46] we say it's feasible and we're setting that we're setting the tax rate which is really

[3:17:57] getting the heart for the horse and in the mags and the mags and the mags and the mags and the

[3:18:01] mags but what we're doing is we're also given the permission to move forward that's to hold it

[3:18:09] the election. So I need a motion. We still need to make a finding on item three judge if you

[3:18:16] go. Yeah, so that's not what we already done that. I have not heard clearly where. Yeah.

[3:18:21] Well, I want a clarification. So if the city are the T.J. of San Marcos, let's know what everybody else

[3:18:32] is like yes, then it's created but without the T.J. of the city of San Marcos.

[3:18:38] Yes, that would, so item three, then would read, however, if the majority of the voters in the city of

[3:18:45] Kyle's E.T.J. do not approve, then then it's no longer feasible.

[3:18:53] In other words, you're accounting for the possibility that this area could vote no, and that the district is created anyway.

[3:19:01] And as lawn stated, if a majority of these people vote no, considering populations, and

[3:19:10] you could assume that overwhelmingly this area must have voted yes, either that or based

[3:19:15] on voter turnout, we have a lot of sighted count, but like I say, you're not going to be

[3:19:22] able to cover all possibilities in this piece of paper.

[3:19:25] Well, we just need to cover this one sufficient for the court to find for feasibility under

[3:19:32] all.

[3:19:32] I think that question, Chief Smith, do you understand that?

[3:19:37] And you feel like that gives your possible ability to operate a fair chance.

[3:19:43] I think the biggest threat is those two large D.T.J.s.

[3:19:46] But the hope that we don't fragment it to bring these services all together has the ultimate

[3:19:50] goal and that's what we're going to shoot for.

[3:19:52] But I do agree with you, there is a point in which it becomes not feasible and we have to go a lot sometime and I think it will not do it.

[3:20:00] Order of the chief, but it's not just about servicing those areas, becomes complicated enough with holes of your service, where you can stage your staff and your ambulances, but also the tax base.

[3:20:11] Obviously if you remove the same RECTJ tax base out of that equation, I don't know how that affects.

[3:20:17] I don't know how related the services to the tax rate on the rest of the population.

[3:20:22] population. It may be that it may be by subtracting that service area and losing that tax

[3:20:28] space that it's a wash. Or it could be that that taxing area is somewhat subsidizing

[3:20:33] another area of the service. And it can be because of geography and distances and things like

[3:20:37] that's a complicated equation. I don't know that I would assume a lighter. I waste waste off knowledge.

[3:20:43] With commercial type development and things like that, some of those areas, there's probably

[3:20:49] a little bit greater tax-based code capita in that district than there isn't some of the other parts of the county.

[3:20:56] So that's obviously part of the confusion too. It's not just how to serve those areas if they're not included.

[3:21:02] It's also what happens to operating that district financially if those tax-based is already included.

[3:21:07] I mean, I think Mark makes a pretty good argument for the district geography working pretty well without the stamp mark with the TJ that he can still work.

[3:21:18] But contiguous areas are easier to cover with the ambulances in person now.

[3:21:24] I think it could still be an efficient service, and of course, you lose the tax base,

[3:21:28] but at least the service remains efficient in geography and coverage area.

[3:21:32] It's fairly a smaller area.

[3:21:35] So I think losing that tax base, you may be able to gain that efficiencies in serving the

[3:21:39] rest of the year.

[3:21:40] When you're talking about kiles, E.T.J., it's a little more confusing.

[3:21:45] the city of Kyle, which we've said, it's okay if they vote no, and it's a city and they

[3:21:51] would then do what they need to do to provide those services, but if them and their

[3:21:56] ETA votes no, I think it's still possible to numberize for it to be approved because of the

[3:22:01] population of St. Marcus ETA in the rest of the area. That would be, I think, the biggest

[3:22:07] concern that everyone would have is how would you serve that district without city of

[3:22:13] in the city of Colesy, TJ, being in that district, both by the tax base and geography.

[3:22:19] Well, I don't fully disagree with 99% of that.

[3:22:23] But in the precinct three area, if the ETJ and Sam Walkers were to fail in the rest pass,

[3:22:32] to cover that strip of white that is there between the Wimbly line and the Sam Walkers line,

[3:22:39] there's no real way of eating there.

[3:22:41] there without going cross-country.

[3:22:47] I mean, seriously, I mean, that's a question probably for the SD there to see if that's

[3:22:53] possible and what it would take for them to do that.

[3:22:55] I mean, that point makes more sense for Wimbler to serve that area.

[3:22:58] That's exactly the point.

[3:23:01] But until you have entities that have the ability to either make those interlocal agreements

[3:23:05] or exchange those annexed areas, you can't do that.

[3:23:09] So once an entity, once an entity is created, we have several options for moving boundaries

[3:23:16] the adjusting territory to a lot of the right provider in the right area.

[3:23:21] And that question would be for a WimbledY MS and that ESD could they serve that area there,

[3:23:27] that unincorporated area, and what would it take for them to do that?

[3:23:30] Because that's basically, like, that's basically your subdivision in terms of, I mean, that area.

[3:23:34] You go road and it's often cut off in water and if the same

[3:23:39] Marcus E.T. Joe route in the city of San Marcos, whether they're contracting with the

[3:23:43] San Marcos Hayes type entity or whether in the next few years they move towards their own

[3:23:48] MMS service. That would then become the question too. With the entity that is operating

[3:23:53] MMS service in the new ESD-9, would they serve any of those E.T.Js or would those E.T.Js

[3:24:01] serve by the city of San Marcos and again being that it's hate's county.

[3:24:05] This body would be making the decisions at that point on how they're going to fund the

[3:24:09] MS.

[3:24:10] For that.

[3:24:11] Well, this is the first and foremost, let's do our best to educate everybody to where it passes

[3:24:16] everywhere.

[3:24:17] So we can have something that looks like a real district here, served properly.

[3:24:23] Well, this is real state, that is bizarre.

[3:24:26] A lot of intent, breakfast, and my stomach, thanks for my throat, cuts, and that's good.

[3:24:30] And so I think to make it minor to situations if you lend or need a wall or

[3:24:37] amount of city, but I think we can probably live with those cities or E.T.Js not being

[3:24:45] part of an A still work as part of service and tax base, what it takes to run the service,

[3:24:50] I think to submit would say that's not going to put a much better intent on his operation.

[3:24:56] The question is, the city of San Marcos, E.T.J.

[3:25:01] If that's what it comes down to would be, do they both matter? So, or a samarkis or a call, either one of them says no, it doesn't get created. Or it's just one of them more important.

[3:25:15] Or are they both together? So there's kind of three options.

[3:25:19] I said the both important together and I say, I say, having that sem Marcus, E.T.J. Park, go out, it is here.

[3:25:30] I mean, that position has to change the financial model in which they have developed significantly.

[3:25:36] Now I realize most of the commercial is in the corporate boundaries of the city, but that, I don't, it's hard to say,

[3:25:48] to clarity without having those numbers

[3:25:52] in front of you that you can pull back and forth,

[3:25:56] but because a lot of that property to the east side,

[3:25:59] for example, into the west side,

[3:26:02] is agus and property, or in some type of conservation easement.

[3:26:08] So it's, I don't know.

[3:26:09] I'm pretty sure you just stated that you think

[3:26:12] they're both important together and applying

[3:26:14] that there's an end and what I hear you saying

[3:26:18] The prior to this is that they're both important, separately, meaning if either E.T.J. fails,

[3:26:24] you feel that we should reassess feasibility and go back to the next one.

[3:26:28] That's my opinion.

[3:26:30] So that's an order.

[3:26:30] So you're in order.

[3:26:33] Any other opinions?

[3:26:36] So basically, we'd be leaving the proposed resolution as it is.

[3:26:41] That's what Commissioner Connie would propose.

[3:26:43] With a script or an order.

[3:26:45] with the scribber's note of Andorra in the previous sentence and with a modification and section 2 to a not-to-use seed 6 cents.

[3:26:55] Yeah.

[3:26:55] But you know that if it's Denmark as voted, you know that the financials will still work and then the proposed acts will kindle in everybody else's.

[3:27:07] There, if it would be probably on the six-camp, if the seven of us eat, if there's nothing.

[3:27:14] I'll bet there's that much of a vibration in the Cali, G.L.

[3:27:17] Fortersus, and this other version of the Cali, which I haven't seen in the world since 20,

[3:27:22] was 18.

[3:27:25] But the commercial area in the ESD-3, there's some good evaluations, you know, on a road and stuff like that.

[3:27:31] Now, there's a big thing is going to come with the corporate boundaries of

[3:27:38] That's worth the value and that district, because that's the same market as ours.

[3:27:42] So even if Sam Marcus is out of Kyle laying the rest of the unit, this could still carry him.

[3:27:48] We have to keep in mind that all of these jurisdictions, you know, because of their innate statutory abilities,

[3:27:57] also have the responsibility of making the choice for their taxpayers.

[3:28:01] How most professionally, effectively, they can provide cost effectively, they can provide

[3:28:07] that service.

[3:28:09] You can't require them to do anything, but I think at the current stage of circumstances,

[3:28:15] unless you're possibly the municipality and the size of same work as the opportunity

[3:28:20] for you to provide that service inside your corporate area with the abilities associated

[3:28:25] with it, are going to be pretty limited.

[3:28:29] And she, you know, as we've been discussing it, appears that the conversation, and it may not, but it appears to me that the conversation has kind of been leaning towards, we're not sure if the city of San Francisco, this is E.T.J. and possibly Kiles will approve. Do we have any indication supporting that?

[3:28:48] The people we've talked to, one of what have been very supportive of it, but we haven't had those large town hall we do as an initial additional drive for women, people with the Christmas and the sport and Kyle we talked to lots of people there, and then talking to the individual cities.

[3:29:05] So I guess you understand the importance of going out and talking to folks and trying to get them beyond board.

[3:29:14] So, if it places the court, I'll make a motion, I'll be fine.

[3:29:24] Item 21, questions?

[3:29:28] I'd like a motion related to the proposed creation, the Hayes County March and Service

[3:29:32] District Number 9,

[3:29:38] resolved that the creation of the district is feasible.

[3:29:42] With qualifications.

[3:29:44] With the qualifications that have been stated of capping the rate from the maximum

[3:29:51] allowed by the state of Texas of 10 to 6, and with the conditions.

[3:30:00] As reflected in item 21-level resolution that Mr. Kennedy wrote, in regards to Section 3, the

[3:30:12] Breckmore.

[3:30:13] That is correct and just to clarify, that resolution states that if the ETA of San Marcos or the

[3:30:21] TJ of Kyle, vote by majority, no to the creation that the court no longer believes creation

[3:30:30] of the district is feasible and would benefit the public safety welfare health and convenience

[3:30:38] and persons residing in the district.

[3:30:41] So with those qualifications,

[3:30:45] the court does find favor of the district creation, it shall

[3:30:48] also take action to fix district boundaries, order an election from the district's creation

[3:30:52] and impose the conditions which have been described in the resolution.

[3:30:58] To adopt and pass the resolution that has been modified and presented to the court as of today.

[3:31:04] Set covers.

[3:31:06] Do I hear any comments?

[3:31:08] It's covered in the resolution.

[3:31:09] So your motion included one or the other, even in one passes in the other.

[3:31:20] And they sit in a cap called the right.

[3:31:27] Couldn't say, somebody, second this thing so we can move.

[3:31:31] I don't know.

[3:31:37] Okay, so it dashed for a molecular second.

[3:31:43] So there's an alkaline proposal from the court.

[3:31:47] So the question would be to change the order to either eliminate one of the cities.

[3:31:55] We feel like if Sam Marcus votes out Kyle and the rest of them will be still carrying it.

[3:32:03] So then Mr. John, your proposal would be to remove reference city of Sam Marcus in section three and

[3:32:10] state simply that if a majority of the voters of city of Kyle's and E.T.J. do not approve

[3:32:15] minutes no longer feasible. Is that correct?

[3:32:17] So your motion is dead, so we'll need this problem.

[3:32:19] I wouldn't be motion.

[3:32:22] State that again.

[3:32:25] What Mr. Jones is stating, I can just avoid stating it in the resolution because it's

[3:32:30] the same thing.

[3:32:32] What he's saying is that if a majority of the people in San Marcos's E.T.J.

[3:32:35] vote know that he believes it's still feasible to create a district that includes this

[3:32:40] area, I'm highlighting now, which would be the city of Kyle's E.T.J. potentially

[3:32:47] the city of Kyle and these other areas here by placing reference to the city of Kyle's

[3:32:59] E.T.J. what we're saying is that in section 4 we've said that the city of Kyle could

[3:33:07] vote no and it's still feasible and that was an assumption I made all along.

[3:33:13] We're saying simply

[3:33:14] section three is that if the majority of the voters in this blue area here vote no then it's

[3:33:20] so long feasible because it would buy sec the district for one.

[3:33:30] All right.

[3:33:31] The county I just want to make sure is willing to make under that motion commitment to citizens

[3:33:42] in that unequivocatoria.

[3:33:44] I see up there.

[3:33:46] I'm pressing three in a pressing one.

[3:33:49] I have to find, still find.

[3:33:51] We're talking about the small wide area.

[3:33:54] No, as I understand the commissioner,

[3:33:56] Jones, you're motion.

[3:33:58] I always don't want to know if this is a T-shirt.

[3:34:00] I always don't want to know if this is a T-shirt.

[3:34:01] I always don't want to know if this is a T-shirt.

[3:34:02] What looks like pink to me?

[3:34:04] If that fails there, we still have a district.

[3:34:07] time. Well, I'm trying to do my job and make sure that the people I represent in the pink are going

[3:34:16] to have in this service. At that point in time there's one show in town. You're looking at it.

[3:34:25] So, and that goes for your precinct too, obviously comfortable. So, I just want to make sure that

[3:34:31] But that's understood, it will be covered by, we're going to do it now.

[3:34:37] By this character, I mean, so I'm coming just to begin with now.

[3:34:42] Can we paint it for it now?

[3:34:43] I'm going to put it on.

[3:34:44] Thank you for that story of the cover.

[3:34:48] Because I would say start over.

[3:34:50] We'll see that we can paint it the same.

[3:34:51] Oh, what is being done on the surface is current.

[3:34:55] Everybody has the image coverage.

[3:34:57] Yes, sir.

[3:34:58] Yes, sir.

[3:34:59] Now we're talking about it.

[3:35:01] So that's what the big issue is.

[3:35:05] So, I know we're gonna address growth. That's the next big issue. We just set two records. We had the highest

[3:35:11] single day number calls ever in the highest, much more history of organization last month, and it's only going

[3:35:18] up. 35, 2, 9, 1, 2, 3.

[3:35:20] Here's the mouth, 35.

[3:35:24] Just let me make a statement, and if I'm wrong, somebody please wanted that, and if I'm not mistaken, we're talking about the two largest municipal areas in Hayes County.

[3:35:36] Not counting E.T. Jagger can spring still O.E.T.J. record.

[3:35:46] That's the one area that a city can exempt because of their statutory abilities.

[3:35:51] But if you'll look, the ETJ of the two major cities we talked about cover probably 85% of that area.

[3:35:59] So, you know, as a county commissioner, quite frankly representing areas in all of those cities,

[3:36:07] I've got to consider how that affects the people in that area.

[3:36:14] So, or are they going to be better started by the municipalities that take that responsibility?

[3:36:19] They're going to be better served by an ESD that has an overall area that gives them the

[3:36:27] operable tax place for it.

[3:36:30] So, are you going to see it pull back down to small responsibilities inside of corporate area?

[3:36:35] And then you're going to negotiate with the cities and the county to try to help provide them service with the taxpayer dollars from all the way across this county.

[3:36:45] Here you have to understand choices, how to understand taxes I've paid them every year, just like most people in this room.

[3:36:53] But if you're going to have a CISO and what your service is, either your cities have to take that responsibility for you, or use the citizens that have an opportunity to invest in it.

[3:37:03] And the city of Kyle has an object out, correct?

[3:37:06] It's on the city of San Marcos.

[3:37:08] City of San Marcos.

[3:37:09] They have the ability to opt out for their E.T.J. as well.

[3:37:14] They chose not to do that.

[3:37:15] If they do that, the citizens of that area get petitioned them for service

[3:37:19] because they were technically denying them of entering this new service.

[3:37:23] I'll let the lawyers explain exactly how that would happen.

[3:37:25] But that's my interpretation.

[3:37:27] Is that the city of San Marcos said, no, we're not just opting out in the city.

[3:37:30] we're opting out for the whole ETJ that the citizens of that ETJ could demand service from

[3:37:35] the City of Zamarkis at that point.

[3:37:38] That was one of those things.

[3:37:39] It's the annexation of services.

[3:37:41] So they said they want their ETJ technically to be included.

[3:37:46] That's called the consent.

[3:37:47] It's called the consent.

[3:37:48] If they annex that ETJ, they have to provide the service.

[3:37:52] Right.

[3:37:52] If that ETJ was no, and the district is created, then the decision, this board,

[3:38:00] will make will be how best to serve those citizens that are not in within the city limits.

[3:38:06] Would that be through contracting with the city if it ran its own, or would that be contracting

[3:38:12] with another provider, or would that be contracting with the new ESD's provider?

[3:38:16] It would be several options, and it may not be across the whole border as the same.

[3:38:20] It may be part of the northern areas, is provided that services are provided by the service

[3:38:26] provider of the new ESD.

[3:38:27] In the southern area, it may be provided by the city of San Marcos, and we're also at this time assuming that if this were to be created without the city of San Marcos, which is going to happen anyway.

[3:38:38] That the city of San Marcos, for at least some time, will most likely contract with the service provider of the new ESD.

[3:38:45] And at some point in time, the city will evaluate and maybe determine to create its own EMS service.

[3:38:53] So at that point, there would be an option if the city did that to contract with them for

[3:38:57] some of the areas of that E.T.J. if for some reason they vote no.

[3:39:03] Now that would come from this commissioner's court.

[3:39:05] I'm sure the city of St. Marks would say we'd be happy to serve some of those areas.

[3:39:08] We can make it work.

[3:39:09] We've got a fire station right there.

[3:39:11] 100 roads.

[3:39:12] We've got an ambulance in there.

[3:39:13] We're just going to ask for some money in order to do that.

[3:39:18] I'm going to state the obvious, we're the only, we're the most local representation.

[3:39:21] and any citizens have an ATJ is us.

[3:39:27] And we're providing the service now, or funding the service.

[3:39:32] We're contracted to fund the service.

[3:39:37] OK, so the resolution has been modified and you would move then.

[3:39:44] to vote if he did.

[3:39:47] Basically, to modify Mr. Conley's notion on the one point.

[3:39:51] But otherwise, make it the same here.

[3:39:54] Sagan.

[3:39:55] Mr. Jones mimics you all.

[3:40:00] For motion, except for Article 3, in other words, it's still the sixth sense.

[3:40:09] So there's modification, the section 3, only to reflect that, if from the majority of the voter in the city of

[3:40:16] Kyle's E.T.J. do not approve, then it's no longer feasible.

[3:40:22] The firm management, my statistic professor at A&M, he said that statistically, if you put

[3:40:27] a lot of mummies, the paparazzi are a room and gave them a paper, they think they come up with

[3:40:31] King James Bible.

[3:40:33] So, what are we doing here, guys?

[3:40:35] We've got a nose and a short one.

[3:40:37] But, all right, is anybody happy with that?

[3:40:40] Oh, you just got to say that.

[3:40:41] Oh.

[3:40:42] You say Mucky's capable, right?

[3:40:44] Five of them.

[3:40:44] No.

[3:40:47] No.

[3:40:47] I'm saying, you don't understand.

[3:40:49] Just, just.

[3:40:50] Just do it.

[3:40:51] Just do it.

[3:40:52] Probably so.

[3:40:53] Oh, Lord.

[3:40:54] I'm happy with this.

[3:40:55] Come on, guys.

[3:40:56] Here we go.

[3:40:57] Here we go.

[3:40:57] There's got a motion and a second.

[3:40:59] So would you please call this question?

[3:41:03] Yes.

[3:41:04] Mr. Haines, yes.

[3:41:05] Mr. Lizard.

[3:41:05] Yes.

[3:41:06] Mr. Jones.

[3:41:07] Jeff House.

[3:41:08] Hallelujah. Yes.

[3:41:11] So, let us know.

[3:41:12] We all need help in getting things out.

[3:41:15] I know y'all are your LinkedIn and your financial ability,

[3:41:18] but it's important people understand what they're doing.

[3:41:22] That's really good.

[3:41:23] So, thank y'all for what you did y'all.

[3:41:25] Thank y'all.

[3:41:26] Okay, we have a scheduled budget here at 130.

[3:41:31] We have five, some of the participants in that that would be a little bit behind schedule.

[3:41:37] So I don't even know what time it is right now.

[3:41:39] It's 1804.

[3:41:41] That's two to a clock.

[3:41:43] We say probably at least two a clock.

[3:41:47] We have some of those people.

[3:41:49] I don't know if it'd be the best they'd come in front of the board.

[3:41:51] We have a lot of people talking about the E.

[3:41:53] Yeah, if you're going to get a copy of that option

[3:41:55] if they might not speak about how.

[3:41:58] Well, we got lunch in there.

[3:41:59] I think we're going to do our basic session later.

[3:42:01] But I'm going to be in the middle of the day.

[3:42:03] I want to come before court today.

[3:42:05] That's a lot of things.

[3:42:09] So we can do our exact, and we have lots.

[3:42:16] Right, but they'll come back at 145 or 135, whatever time you.

[3:42:19] And then we come back.

[3:42:22] I think we'd probably be back 130 and then spent 125 and then spent time on those two issues.

[3:42:30] Let's give them time to get a bite to, you know.

[3:42:33] You'll be back here about 125 or so and then we'll get after you start killing rats.

[3:42:40] Judges, that's our budget workshop.

[3:42:42] Yeah, correct.

[3:42:43] The workshop, you're saying that one third?

[3:42:45] No, they're going to come back and we're going to work on these items.

[3:42:48] Oh, okay.

[3:42:48] and hopefully get through a time to do the budget workshop.

[3:42:53] So we have the two workshops for the public safety and facilities,

[3:43:01] proposed bond and he wrote proposed bond and then we have an item

[3:43:05] to either call those elections for one of those elections,

[3:43:07] for both of those elections and then set the amount of money.

[3:43:10] But if we do the budget workshop, it's scheduled at 130.

[3:43:14] So if we come back in 130, we have to do that.

[3:43:16] We can debate the workshop.

[3:43:17] But he's already educated with several of them.

[3:43:21] The show's office was at two, so they're going to be here for the public safety workshop

[3:43:27] anyway.

[3:43:28] Constable Colour was at 130, I think he said he would come ahead anyway.

[3:43:33] And I'm not really concerned about the folks that are coming in from the county.

[3:43:36] What about the public that we've notified is going to be at 130?

[3:43:41] It's just, I mean, it's, I suppose it would be just as interested in the...

[3:43:46] Tell me, more VAM.

[3:43:47] Is that what the workshop work?

[3:43:50] I mean, if they have a lot of things, they definitely know what it is.

[3:43:53] Take their time.

[3:43:53] Yeah, I don't open the exact, we'll do that work over there.

[3:43:59] Okay.

[3:44:01] Come to order.

[3:44:04] How much you open?

[3:44:36] Council of Army, all countries, and all countries, and we're coming to fight a litigation involving peace camp.

[3:44:42] That's why I should make all of them.

[3:44:43] In the 30th of the second session for the Swedish section,

[3:44:46] I have one point of six more, and I have one point of seven years.

[3:44:50] We have the Texas Chamberlain Code of Prosecutation, and the Council of Relations,

[3:44:53] and I have the first six changes.

[3:44:55] We have the right way to launch the coast.

[3:44:58] And once in a precinct one, I'll say.

[3:45:02] Okay, please join me, chambers.

[3:45:05] Thank you for having to leave.

[3:45:13] Out of restraint, we're going to be item number 24.

[3:45:23] So I can quit hearing the screams of the court yard.

[3:45:27] Now, we're 24, we're chopper lighting to propose criminal justice public safety facilities

[3:45:33] to include the Hayes County jail, 911 call center, emergency operation center,

[3:45:38] law enforcement center, and training facility, and the possibility of a number of

[3:45:43] or a 2016 bond proposition relating there too, possible action by a follow, should say may

[3:45:50] call it.

[3:45:51] There's someone shut that door.

[3:45:55] Sure.

[3:45:57] All those guys, people.

[3:45:58] Would you ask them to be quiet, please?

[3:46:00] After quiet, her?

[3:46:04] You must have had a good liquid lunch.

[3:46:11] Good afternoon, Judge Commissioner.

[3:46:12] Ms. Brent.

[3:46:13] Once you get an issue yourself, so people know who you are.

[3:46:16] When do you think it is?

[3:46:17] Senior Vice President.

[3:46:19] You see him international.

[3:46:20] We're here today to go through very quickly a presentation on calling the bond for the public

[3:46:30] sake facility.

[3:46:33] Last week we presented a three options and I think what we were instructed to do was to

[3:46:41] go back and refine option B and that's what we have worked on.

[3:46:46] So today we are going to find some things in your packet that reflect the comments that

[3:46:50] made.

[3:46:54] There were many, many people that were responsible for the design of the options that

[3:47:00] you saw. There were citizens and law enforcement. There were stakeholders, both inside

[3:47:06] the county and out, along with the consultant team. We were given strong direction to

[3:47:14] be invaded and cost effective in the solutions that we brought back to you. And I think

[3:47:20] that I think we were successful in that.

[3:47:23] The county has been driven by change and success.

[3:47:26] Everybody knows that statistics on,

[3:47:28] fastest growing city and county and all of that stuff.

[3:47:32] But I think what's important to say is that you've been driven by

[3:47:36] the success of people wanting to move here

[3:47:39] because of the roads and the facilities and the

[3:47:42] efficiency of services that I received.

[3:47:45] And I think it also is good to know that you,

[3:47:48] This court in the previous court has had to take on the task of providing facilities way beyond its share.

[3:47:58] From the 1940s to 2000, I think that percent of growth is phenomenal, but what that did require was a lot of facilities to bear that burden.

[3:48:14] Again, statistics,

[3:48:18] you've seen this slide before, and I think what it basically saying is that

[3:48:23] you have been about as successful as you could be in achieving efficiencies for the county,

[3:48:31] you've streamlined to the absolute fifth degree.

[3:48:40] Now we are seeing that those facilities that are so outdated are costing the county.

[3:48:45] They're costing the county the easiest ones to look at or the cost associated with the dollars.

[3:48:53] But there's other costs in terms of services that you're having to provide that are not as easily captured in dollars.

[3:49:01] One thing that we wanted to respond to is that now we have an opportunity

[3:49:07] by refurbishing and expanding the jail and building new LEC and the 911, we have an opportunity

[3:49:16] to incorporate all of those efficiencies, both energy conservation measures, water efficiency,

[3:49:23] and other options like solar power. Now we have an opportunity to do that.

[3:49:29] We're looking at the three fundamentals of the public safety, the emergency communications

[3:49:36] and 911 responses number one. And what we are looking at is doing a better job of coordinating

[3:49:43] and providing the technology that's going to improve the dispatch efficiency. We know that there

[3:49:52] are 19 different emergency services providers from across the county and the state that have

[3:49:57] be coordinated. We also know that

[3:50:00] A better technology is what really closes the gaps that exist in the field. We've been playing catch-up, and the cost of catching up has taken a toll of both on the people who provide those first who provide that help, but it's also now costing us money to play catch-up.

[3:50:30] The emergency communications includes the 9-1-1 coordinated emergency response and new technology,

[3:50:42] but it's also providing a plan that's flexible and can adjust easily as the additional

[3:50:49] communities join.

[3:50:56] The law enforcement, excuse me. What in did these are you talking about?

[3:51:00] the cities and the fire and the image and all of those people that use the facility.

[3:51:13] The law enforcement facility is going to be equipped with updated technology, more modern and efficient layout

[3:51:21] as well as additional space.

[3:51:24] The location will allow the sheriff's office to lend more support to security for the courts and the VA

[3:51:30] and it also gives the officers good access to the entire county without sliding

[3:51:35] column that exists at the Gillian Roadside.

[3:51:43] Another important thing that we've

[3:51:45] we've maybe lost side up is that this new placement allows us to get better

[3:51:54] access to all parts of the county. The other thing if you look at this, this is

[3:52:01] the natural photograph of the records and the evidence and one of the things that we do

[3:52:08] know is that better space translates to better service. For example, with a crime lab,

[3:52:15] the crime lab can save time and processing and get cases closed faster.

[3:52:28] We have to do that work in other places.

[3:52:30] But actually, we have to get all of that evidence processed in other places, so.

[3:52:36] In which states that the priorities in hell are, I should better say, when those are

[3:52:43] animalized and rarely have I had the experience that their stuff is usually less of a priority

[3:52:51] than our stuff.

[3:52:52] Is that fair statement too long?

[3:52:54] It is a fair statement.

[3:52:55] And I think that most businesses would probably agree

[3:53:00] that they would support a jail with a new crime lab

[3:53:05] if they thought that their business got robbed last week

[3:53:09] and the investigations and processing of that case

[3:53:13] could be done months earlier.

[3:53:16] They probably vote for this.

[3:53:21] OK, so where we are now is we are looking at going over

[3:53:27] to the government center site.

[3:53:29] There's a lot of good reasons for that.

[3:53:31] Not only will it accommodate the growth that we need,

[3:53:34] the expansion that we need, a new facility,

[3:53:38] but we also own that property.

[3:53:40] The county owned it.

[3:53:41] We don't have to find new property.

[3:53:43] We don't have to go out and condemn any land.

[3:53:49] We don't have to take any land off the tax roll.

[3:53:54] So that's a good place to put in.

[3:54:02] We have heard a lot of testimony to the fact that this jail was never intended to last as long as it has.

[3:54:14] We have heard testimony from the judge who was there when they said we need to start planning for a new one.

[3:54:22] We already know that the maintenance costs are beyond the tipping point.

[3:54:27] I know from 2009 when we were first when I was a youngster, first starting to work on problems associated with that jail that the Texas jail standards commission was already citing us and you were having to do some extraordinary efforts to go in and make the jail work for a lot of money to keep that jail open.

[3:54:53] Um,

[3:54:58] and there was something else I was going to say about that.

[3:55:00] Oh, I know what it is. Let's listen to Julie, the opondo, show booking on a slow day. Hit it, Jerry.

[3:55:16] Come on, Jared, you know, who I really is proud of. You can't even see him.

[3:56:30] I don't know if you saw how crowded that was, but that was on a Monday at 3 o'clock.

[3:56:36] Can you imagine what it was going to look like on Saturday at 2 a.m.

[3:56:42] All right, so this is what we have been proposing.

[3:56:47] Instead of building a new jail at a cost of what has gone up to 187 million,

[3:56:53] the last one, the option three that we showed you was 166.

[3:56:57] Well, we are asking the court to approve is to expand and to renovate the existing jail.

[3:57:04] We believe that we should replace all of the support spaces first, booking, intake, food

[3:57:13] service and infirmary, because those are the critical spaces that we know are creating

[3:57:19] the most problems in the jail right now.

[3:57:22] And again, just pointing out that the infirmary is designed for the growth of the jail as it

[3:57:28] to over time, and the laundry and the food services are going to be located so that they

[3:57:36] can easily be expanded in the future. We're going to build 192 additional beds,

[3:58:03] and you

[3:58:03] value for the tax dollars that have been spent on this jail, and I think that from what

[3:58:12] we are hearing in the co-location meetings and in the meetings with people outside, outside,

[3:58:20] the sheriff's office, that we believe that there is nothing else to do except to do this

[3:58:27] project. We have brought down the price a little bit, I think, of like 6,000 square feet.

[3:58:38] We've deducted about 6,000 square feet out of the EOC 911 part, which now reduces the 108

[3:58:48] million that we gave you before an option B to a TPC of one of six point four.

[3:58:56] Now does that give you opportunity to expand the data rather?

[3:59:01] It absolutely does judge.

[3:59:10] So what we're doing is we're addressing the current future public safety needs.

[3:59:15] We're striking that balance between future needs, efficiencies and taxpayer value.

[3:59:20] And it's important also to note that these recommendations were developed and they were

[3:59:26] vetted again and again and again to get to the best option for the county constituents.

[3:59:40] This is tiny print, but I think it's good to read that all of the people who have been

[3:59:47] involved in this, the Hayes County DA, the Hayes County Sheriff's Department, the City

[3:59:54] of St. Marcus Police Chief, the Fire, EMS, and Police.

[4:00:00] Public safety task force, and the county, and with the emergency joint response committee.

[4:00:07] So what we are asking you today,

[4:00:13] that's really good still. Let me go back to this one.

[4:00:16] How does it improve safety? It gets help to people in emergencies when they most need it. It gives law officers the tools,

[4:00:24] space and training that needs to serve public, it provides a secure, safe place to hold people

[4:00:29] who are a danger to themselves or others.

[4:00:33] What we need from you today is a decision to go forward with the bond package for public

[4:00:40] safety facilities in the amount of 106.4 million

[4:00:48] and we welcome your comments.

[4:00:50] What

[4:00:58] was the breakdown between the jail and the location of the out of the 16.4?

[4:01:05] If that would be on this slide right here,

[4:01:16] the jail is 44 million and the LEC is 62.4 million.

[4:01:23] I think I have it further broken down in another place.

[4:01:27] It says, you said, jail was 44 million isn't that 62 million, but you haven't had groups doing that, right?

[4:01:34] It's backwards on there.

[4:01:36] Yeah, I'm sorry. It is backwards.

[4:01:39] Because that means we were spending the third more than, at least, seeing the work.

[4:01:44] Good catch. Good catch. It's 62.4 million for the jail and 44 for the ESC and LEC.

[4:01:52] Also

[4:01:56] important in those figures is to discuss as part of our education piece.

[4:02:03] Some form of fashion is that which should be obvious is that the building of J.O.

[4:02:12] is not the same square footage type of cost for, you know, what we build of all

[4:02:18] this facility or like what we build most of the government center for.

[4:02:21] same goes for a 911 emergency

[4:02:25] communication facilities because of the

[4:02:29] the inherent issues that come with security and safety in those types of

[4:02:34] different facilities so you're going to see different

[4:02:37] types of square footage, cost per square footage

[4:02:41] properly evaluated to meet those inherent needs.

[4:02:48] The hardening of that building along with the technology is what increases the

[4:02:52] that project so exponentially.

[4:02:57] The design that has been done by HK and worked on with the Turner and ECM team

[4:03:03] has allowed the LEC by co-locating at LEC and the 911

[4:03:09] allows for much more cost-effective design, even with the increasing cost.

[4:03:16] Other things like moving the training facility outside of the LEC,

[4:03:21] then one, allows us to utilize a much lower construction cost than with LEC.

[4:03:29] And I think her party with H.O.K. last week did a really good job talking about how the

[4:03:35] square footage of that facility was able to be lowered by the sharing of spaces for all

[4:03:43] of that facility.

[4:03:47] Well, I have a spot quite a bit last week, so I won't do that this week,

[4:03:56] but I think

[4:03:56] as Brenda is described, I mean, we've gone through this time of time again and have gotten

[4:04:06] the best out of the taxpayer fund resources, NASA, so we currently have all, and we

[4:04:15] have delivered a product to the court today, do the task force committee that Mr.

[4:04:25] Engels be myself, I'm sure, a couple of chair to meet the needs of the public safety

[4:04:35] in the do so in a reasonable way from a physical standpoint and again we just want to emphasize

[4:04:44] as well as we have a discussion about fiscal responsibility debt and all the issues

[4:04:53] and hear it to going out and asking people for a bond, that's all.

[4:05:00] The necessary and needed and welcome discussions to have to completely have that entire discussion of costs and expenses and finances and overall physical strength of the county.

[4:05:17] It is incomplete, the only talk about any debt associated with this bond.

[4:05:25] The courts made it very clear that the people determined that this is not a good idea,

[4:05:31] and they don't want to make an investment in these assets that we aren't going to turn around

[4:05:42] and make that decision for them.

[4:05:45] is I've made that clear. I think some other member's court have made that clear. However,

[4:05:50] that does not mean that does not mean that this county won't spend money fixing the next

[4:06:04] thing that breaks over there to stay the do our best to stay within state standards and

[4:06:13] provide level of public safety for our correction officers and the inmates that are in that facility

[4:06:22] doesn't mean court won't spend to continue to kind of hodgepodge a and go along and put

[4:06:30] a communication center program together and we'll continue to try to find ways to meet these needs

[4:06:40] on a long enforcement side of things as well, it will be inefficient and it will be expensive.

[4:06:52] As we continue to move over the next few years,

[4:06:58] and we'll just have to kind of take it

[4:06:59] as it comes and deal with that situation, that is the complete discussion in regards to

[4:07:08] the finances and the, again, when I'm broadly describing

[4:07:12] as the, you know, for all physical responsibility

[4:07:14] of all of this, this is the most efficient way

[4:07:18] that we can move forward, long term, in our county.

[4:07:23] It's what we've presented here today,

[4:07:25] and done our best to do so at a reasonable price.

[4:07:30] On that quarter of a million for the,

[4:07:33] the LAC and the EOZ,

[4:07:36] It's a workshop where I should say, is that turn key ready to run or is that just the bill itself without the fixtures and the addition software and future rules and stations and peace and equipment.

[4:07:54] In other words, this is just the facility the building.

[4:07:56] It's ready, you're ready to run.

[4:07:59] In fact, Jeff, I think you know,

[4:08:02] Dr. McGill is promised that he would be ready

[4:08:05] to have everything ready to go with we are.

[4:08:08] Yeah, and his process is all of the infrastructure

[4:08:10] for the IT for the entire building.

[4:08:14] So we just moved existing machines and PCs over,

[4:08:18] but the infrastructure will all be in place as part of this.

[4:08:21] All of the other equipment, like the consoles

[4:08:24] and the radio equipment and all of the technology

[4:08:27] will be ready for them to move into and go to work.

[4:08:30] How's it going to work when we talk about keeping our software on the servers of San

[4:08:36] Marcus when they're not part of the 911 Center, how does it going to work?

[4:08:42] Well, that's something that we can look into, but the initial scope of it was to stay

[4:08:46] on the San Marcus servers and build our redundancy of fiber back to the city so that we

[4:08:54] we're going to see back to the city. Certainly something we can look at at some point. It's

[4:08:59] having on-premise servers for sure. It does a hard direction of scope. What are the

[4:09:03] conditions? Have we made inroads to the phone company and the power company and all the people

[4:09:11] for them? Because I mean those EOSDs draw a lot of power, a lot of phone lines, a lot of bandwidth,

[4:09:17] that, all of that, is that then looked into,

[4:09:20] is that a biteable for us?

[4:09:23] Yeah, we look, we don't have a band that just

[4:09:24] you at this point, and all of that, as far as

[4:09:27] hard to count in that work.

[4:09:28] I mean, we have a band that, but what is thanks

[4:09:33] when you have to look at, is to do some redundancy,

[4:09:36] yeah, that's one of the problems, you know,

[4:09:39] locating the EOC, the Starbucks, so I just hope

[4:09:43] that we looked into that, so we don't have any problems

[4:09:46] I was one of the business, just like the government, the center side, the study of the U.S.

[4:09:57] comments.

[4:10:01] Judge, I'll say that even though we really would have liked to see another lower, I think, or committee, you know, felt that way,

[4:10:16] you know, we at some point have to say these are the things that are needed, you know, to make this jail work.

[4:10:25] And so, you know, I know that our team looked at that quite thoroughly, you know, and

[4:10:33] unfortunately, you know, we're at the number that we believe that we need to build an efficient

[4:10:40] working facility.

[4:10:41] And so, if we're going to ask our voters to consider a possible public safety facilities bond,

[4:10:50] I think it would be irresponsible of us to ask our voters to consider a bond that doesn't address

[4:10:57] any future growth that we would be bold on day one.

[4:11:03] I just think that that's irresponsible and I would think that our voters and citizens would agree

[4:11:10] about.

[4:11:11] And so we have to provide for some expansion and this option be as we discussed last week.

[4:11:18] We could easily say, let's go with option one, but then, of course, we're full day one with no room for any kind of expansion.

[4:11:30] So taking all of that into consideration, I think we mentioned that last week, and we also support option B.

[4:11:38] I'm grateful that the price came down a couple of million dollars.

[4:11:42] I hope that you can work, but that's where we're at in the school we're going to do.

[4:11:49] John, I'd like to thank First of all, our committee, Mr. Engelsbake, Mr.

[4:11:54] Calmie and our staff and administrators and consultants that worked on this.

[4:12:01] In my review of the project in question that I had, it seemed pretty apparent to me that

[4:12:06] we've done basically three things.

[4:12:08] we've taken a little more time than I would like, I'll apologize to anybody for maybe some

[4:12:14] of my points of impatience but I think what has come out of this is what is really the

[4:12:20] best for the taxpayer first of all and what it has done will allow us to do is provide

[4:12:30] an operative facility that's safe for the people operating it, being detained by it.

[4:12:40] And that's pretty important because I said it in this courtroom before.

[4:12:44] If I had to pick a single point that this county is vulnerable to liability from the risk

[4:12:51] of an aged facility that's undersized, we've got, as you saw, they were in a two percent

[4:12:59] group of counties in the state of Texas that sends out the number of people we do that outsource.

[4:13:05] That's our risk and we had to make some of these people wait a little longer because we're

[4:13:11] in here reviewing some general circumstances of legality in an executive session.

[4:13:17] I can't see that list getting smaller unless we do something about our drove facility.

[4:13:23] I think we've done a good job of providing the voters an opportunity to

[4:13:29] approved the project that makes the best use of the current facility and what we need and provides in the future for the expansion when it's needed.

[4:13:40] And I agree with you Commissioner Engels made that building a facility for five to seven thousand dollars a less than a million dollars a less right now.

[4:13:49] That the day we move into, we don't have any additional spice.

[4:13:53] I don't think that's good planning either.

[4:13:55] But I've been think that this proposal will take care of this county's needs in those terms.

[4:14:01] The next three to five may be as much as 17 years or so.

[4:14:05] That's my small statement.

[4:14:07] Thank you.

[4:14:11] Good turn.

[4:14:13] Well, I looked at the trends in law enforcement, but then

[4:14:17] especially, you know, the certain businesses where you can automate, do robotics and all sorts of things.

[4:14:24] But jails are one of the places where it's still going to take a lot of people,

[4:14:29] judge them at the skill to be there to operate that jail.

[4:14:33] Certain things you can automate, some things you can, and the people in there.

[4:14:37] And so we've got to make an effort to make sure we have the very best adequate number of people there to operate it.

[4:14:46] That's going to keep us all out of trouble and provide the best service and efficiency we can.

[4:14:53] I've said all along that, the jail is one thing, but the escalating price is going to be the cost of people.

[4:15:00] And then the cost of maintenance, every year we're going to have to budget money to keep that jail functional so that it will last 25 years still be serviceable.

[4:15:12] But I really applaud the jail committee that how you thought about everything that I think is needed to be expandable, to be functional, to be efficient.

[4:15:24] I thought a lot about it, you know, there are a lot of good things and I really appreciate

[4:15:28] all the hard work and run into you and your staff and it's okay and all the people that

[4:15:33] have worked on this to try to give you the best information advice we can.

[4:15:37] So I'm now at this point with the entertainer motion.

[4:15:41] And Judge, I just have questions regarding the process,

[4:15:50] the actual, the actual, the actual,

[4:15:53] the actual, I mean the actual propositions I should state.

[4:15:57] That would really take action under 23, as I understand it.

[4:16:03] That's correct.

[4:16:04] So, hey, Mark,

[4:16:10] you timed a program here, but the actual action must call in the election

[4:16:17] and fall positions is a side of 23.

[4:16:20] Correct.

[4:16:21] So, would they call that?

[4:16:22] So, the actual call here is that we find the move full with a bottle action.

[4:16:28] You can provide guidance under this item because I believe it's posted for action, but if

[4:16:34] It's the election order you're looking for, that is item 23.

[4:16:38] That's correct.

[4:16:40] So I guess our votes should be open out of 23.

[4:16:44] Yes, or that day.

[4:16:45] That's why I was trying to cite judge overall.

[4:16:47] If the court, for example, just to come back, we'll have court tomorrow, whatever.

[4:16:52] We could take an action there, but really,

[4:16:54] what's the court has on things that they'd like to change.

[4:16:58] At this point time, I believe that kind of concludes our 24th workshop,

[4:17:02] and then build address the issue of Proposition 1 and perhaps Proposition 2 and item 23.

[4:17:13] We have the KenD.

[4:17:14] We will do that at some point.

[4:17:19] You want to move the head with the workshops?

[4:17:21] We have a judge.

[4:17:23] We indicated in a parenthetical reference in item 23 that we would go through workshops which

[4:17:31] represent items 24 25 and 26 before we open item 23 so I think we should open item 25 next.

[4:17:39] Okay.

[4:17:40] What is the glass of counsel?

[4:17:42] Before we leave that disney or D.I.R. Sheriff any elected that is here as part of this process

[4:17:48] and program here to say anything.

[4:17:51] We y'all good.

[4:17:53] I'll talk to Sheriff.

[4:17:54] It took eight years in the sheriff.

[4:17:59] Okay.

[4:18:02] We also have the material set, the slides, and there's other materials that will be placed on the website for the citizens and the constituents can take a look and we'll be providing information as we as we go for as well.

[4:18:19] I didn't want to recognize Curt Party in Jeff Bradley, with H.O.K. Mike Kaiman, with Turner Construction and of course our teams with Cody News. Thank you.

[4:18:28] Thank all of you, and just to Jeff Barton and Katie, Katie our here and we appreciate

[4:18:36] your efforts as well, before the process of educating the public, we appreciate that.

[4:18:43] Number 25, workshop related proposed transportation improvements around Hayes County and the

[4:18:48] possibility of a November 2016 bond proposition related there too and I have three people to

[4:18:53] public speaking, public comment if they're still here. I have Charlie Flatton, Barbara Hobson,

[4:19:03] and David Baker. I think Miss Hobson stepped out. Maybe she'd be back later. We'll ask her to speak if she comes back.

[4:19:13] Mr. Flatton, why don't you let these people shirt? Mr. Flatton, would you like to speak?

[4:19:23] Good afternoon.

[4:19:26] Thank you.

[4:19:28] And you're speaking for the Hill Country Alliance?

[4:19:33] Yes, sir.

[4:19:36] Okay.

[4:19:37] Hi, I'm speaking for the 820 supporters of the Hill Country Alliance who reside in Hayes County.

[4:19:45] Hill Country Alliance recognizes the Hayes County Commissioner's Board in Judge,

[4:19:49] the critical role they play in overseeing the county's health and prosperity

[4:19:52] to the protection of its natural assets.

[4:19:57] Process of living property values in scenic cities.

[4:20:00] Senate, watersheds, and nice type of reservation are all protected by responsible development and rural portions of pay's county.

[4:20:07] And HCA appreciates continued efforts in stewarding these resources by the sport.

[4:20:16] We know that substantial road and water infrastructure projects can lead to increased public debt and greater tax burden for property owners.

[4:20:23] More groundwater pumping, increase the produce cover greater stormwater runoff, and a rapid

[4:20:29] condition for a sprawl of which this county court has a little or more authority to

[4:20:34] redress.

[4:20:37] Furthermore, these projects can reduce property values through rights of way and eminent domain

[4:20:42] contracts.

[4:20:45] Urban growth needs to be accommodated and for infrastructure reasons that growth should

[4:20:50] be concentrated on the IS-35 port or where possible and where available.

[4:20:56] And where the emergency services and traffic arteries are already in place.

[4:21:01] For these reasons, with regards to item number 25 of country headlines, we respectfully request

[4:21:07] that funds to purchase and can demorize away from the scenic and rural port or should be

[4:21:12] specifically excluded.

[4:21:14] funds for FM150 should be limited to specific safety improvements, approaches of seedic easements,

[4:21:21] such the road remains of rural road rather than expanded into a major divided arterial

[4:21:26] way.

[4:21:27] That would encourage new developments among the roadway and contribute to increased flooding

[4:21:32] on an increase.

[4:21:34] And third, Professor Roadbound should be a lot of primarily to support new development

[4:21:38] economic growth in the eastern portion of this county, plus to existing emergency services

[4:21:44] traffic alterations and water resources.

[4:21:49] Thank you very much. How long have you lived in

[4:21:52] Hase County? I did not live in Hase County. I was born in Co-Mount County. How long have you lived

[4:21:58] in Co-Mount County? I lived in Co-Mount and Travis County for 50 years. Good.

[4:22:08] Any other questions?

[4:22:09] So what is your opinion of the presentation plan of Travis County? Probably we could use some

[4:22:16] I think that anybody who's driven in trash county knows that it's terrible.

[4:22:24] What do you think about the tragic planning, Comel County?

[4:22:29] Well, depends on where you are in Comel County.

[4:22:32] I love some of the draws in Comel County and some of them have run terrible,

[4:22:37] formerly because of stop lights and unplanned development in an incorporated county area.

[4:22:41] So you don't live in case county.

[4:22:43] But you want us to build everything that we've built in east of 35.

[4:22:47] Is that correct?

[4:22:49] Is that what your strength was?

[4:22:51] No, I would like for you to think about the authority you had to controlling growth

[4:22:55] in areas where the county is where there is no unaccorporated areas in cities.

[4:23:03] Do you live in the country?

[4:23:06] Or do you live in the county?

[4:23:09] Or do you live in the county?

[4:23:11] Tribes County.

[4:23:12] Tribes County.

[4:23:13] What do you live in?

[4:23:13] Tribes County.

[4:23:14] Tribes County.

[4:23:15] What city?

[4:23:17] I'm in the county.

[4:23:21] Okay, thank you.

[4:23:23] And I have physical copies of this.

[4:23:25] If you get the quarter.

[4:23:26] All right.

[4:23:27] The clerk should put it in the report.

[4:23:29] Thank you very much.

[4:23:29] Thank you.

[4:23:31] Okay.

[4:23:32] And this hobson is not back yet.

[4:23:34] David Laker.

[4:23:41] Is there anything welcome?

[4:23:43] Mr. S. Thank you.

[4:23:45] I know where you live.

[4:23:45] You know I live the industry.

[4:23:47] And whoever is kidding.

[4:23:49] Whoever played for a rain in August.

[4:23:52] Thank you all, I know you all care deeply about this county and our citizens and the extraordinary challenge you all have in guiding balancing

[4:24:04] double-digit population growth with thoughtful and youth planning is difficult for Texas counties with limited authority to regulate density for the type of development that wants to come to this area.

[4:24:15] You do have authority to guide growth through regulating lot-sizing on-site suits facilities, road standards.

[4:24:21] As this authority may be adequate for rural area, it is probably not enough for an area that's so rapidly growing.

[4:24:31] I'm going to make some suggestions about lobbying our Texas legislature, so don't cheat me now, but for additional tools in using your current power to consider the following recommendations.

[4:24:42] Please consider lobbying for legislation to designate segments of FN-150, Rancho 12, FN-3237,

[4:24:50] FN-32, Delos backbone, as scenic Texas byways.

[4:24:56] Hase County in Campo could consider adding scenic.

[4:25:00] By way, as a road designation, rather than mad for, et cetera, the signet by way designation

[4:25:05] can be called hill country, arterial standards can be set for things like shoulders for safety,

[4:25:12] off-road bypass, turn lanes, signet easements on both sides of these key roads, et cetera.

[4:25:21] And please consider lobbying that Texas Legislature grant the necessary tools and authority

[4:25:26] to allow county counties in these rapidly growing urban corridors,

[4:25:33] the ability to develop regional land use plans.

[4:25:37] I know this is a challenging thing, but to guide more sustainable growth,

[4:25:41] that lowers the ecological footprint of development,

[4:25:44] to comply with the caring capacity of local land and water resources.

[4:25:48] Please continue the early leadership to involve and engage

[4:25:53] landowners interested citizens in comprehensive regional worship planning processes to identify

[4:25:59] community vision goals for these rapidly growing areas. And please direct any investments

[4:26:05] of the now or feature bond dollars for roads and western part of his county of use for the

[4:26:13] necessary safety improvements such as turn lanes, shoulders, drainage projects, protect water quality

[4:26:19] recharge it in Trinity and Edwards and flood mitigation for the creeks and rivers.

[4:26:25] And please consider developing standards that will create incentives and mandate water

[4:26:29] neutral development, low impact development moving forward that will not require additional

[4:26:34] water pipelines, new development models exist that use and reuse water in sustainable ways.

[4:26:40] This should be the new norm over the aquifer.

[4:26:42] And please note

[4:26:47] that I got one more sentence if I can say that, please consider expanding the current incentives to help willing landowners who want to steward their land to keep their properties intact and protect their property rights and ecological services.

[4:27:04] We all benefit from this wealth balance impacted new growth and prevent further fragmentation of land and degradation of water quality and quantity and protect wildlife habitat.

[4:27:14] improve the quality of life for everybody in Ace County and this growing tourism industry that

[4:27:20] we have. So thank you for this opportunity, Judge, and thank you all for your service.

[4:27:26] Please believe in that, Amy. I live out of the well at the 14th of five Mount Sharp Road in

[4:27:32] the Wife and I have a little place in South Austin. She has a her business there in South Austin,

[4:27:38] so it's been a couple of days a week there. I do analyze the county just gave $100,000 to

[4:27:43] Martin Edwards, last week?

[4:27:46] That's fantastic.

[4:27:47] If you looked at their website, I have sir.

[4:27:50] Thank you for most the additional water being brought

[4:27:54] into Hayes County on the website.

[4:27:57] How do you feel about that?

[4:27:58] You know, I think if you're going to bring water into an area,

[4:28:02] you really need to have the land use authority to manage that.

[4:28:07] As we looked at the impact of the LCRA pipeline that came

[4:28:11] into dripping springs to alleviate the groundwater, you know, shortages were actually now using

[4:28:19] no groundwater that we did before. That line went in and dripping springs is applying for

[4:28:25] doubling of their permit tomorrow night. So I think that was a lack of planning to ensure

[4:28:31] that that development form was going to be served by that water and not have that insillary

[4:28:39] growth, eat up all the excess groundwater there.

[4:28:42] So, in your mind, it's not about water, it's about growth.

[4:28:46] I think it's about managing it so that that you're going to growth, yes, sir.

[4:28:51] I think it's, you can't separate the two because you can't have the growth without the water,

[4:28:57] but I think what I'm promoting today, and I'm speaking to my own behalf, not for the

[4:29:02] watershed association today, but I think it's really about, there are technologies in these

[4:29:08] rural areas where we can catch at water for roofs, we can recycle it, or on-site.

[4:29:14] But when we build a dense form like we did in dripping springs, and then we don't use

[4:29:20] that surface water, we're going to go back to that groundwater, and that's two dense

[4:29:25] of form to be off-fed off of the groundwater to supplies we have here.

[4:29:30] I know at some point we're going to have water from the east to come here, but if it goes

[4:29:35] out and it spals into the health country and creates even more unsustainable ground water

[4:29:40] development.

[4:29:41] That's not going to help our creeks and ravers are the investments the county's made and places

[4:29:46] like Jacob's well and blue holes.

[4:29:49] It's want to make sure that we don't take more than it's going back into the offer.

[4:29:54] So you won't more government.

[4:29:56] You will thus have land use authority and zoning and all those.

[4:30:02] Well, I think it's really planning. It's really, at asking people to live here what kind of vision they have for this area, really engaging people. I think, like you all did in this watershed protection plan for cybersecurity, doing on, on, synchry, what, what did you come from?

[4:30:21] where I grew up, I grew up in Missouri and Kansas City, so why did you come here?

[4:30:27] Well, I came down here.

[4:30:29] Guys says long time ago, I had a job here and somebody told me to go to Wrim really

[4:30:35] because it was a really nice place and I happened to fall in Jake as well and the rest, you know,

[4:30:40] is kind of history. But this fell in love with it. First time I drove down that

[4:30:44] I've answered 12 and saw 337 is heavy.

[4:30:48] It's a beautiful idea to play our agreement.

[4:30:50] I agree with you.

[4:30:51] But we've got to use our brains.

[4:30:55] Do you have brain water collection?

[4:30:58] No, I did.

[4:30:59] Do you have a time in your shower?

[4:31:02] No, I did.

[4:31:03] Do you have water use that you're out?

[4:31:07] I did.

[4:31:08] So you're presented to the choir.

[4:31:10] We have to be, you know, it's amazing to me that we stand on the shoulders of giants

[4:31:17] in the comfort of building highways, but we stand on the shoulder of mittens when it comes

[4:31:22] to the water.

[4:31:24] And Texas is going to have to do something statewide about water, yes, sir.

[4:31:29] We can't just focus on one little area of salt problem, but I thank you for your comments

[4:31:35] I know you care deeply about the issue and I appreciate that.

[4:31:40] Thank you so much for that.

[4:31:42] Well, I appreciate you guys' service.

[4:31:43] You have a really tough job and I appreciate all the time and energy you put into it.

[4:31:48] Thank you.

[4:31:48] Thank you for hearing me today.

[4:31:49] Thank you.

[4:31:51] Okay.

[4:31:52] That's all I have listed.

[4:31:53] It's Ms. Hopson back here.

[4:31:54] I don't want to see her.

[4:31:57] So please, the court will move on with the workshop related proposal.

[4:32:02] Now, Mike, someone up, you're largely regalist, which is now known that there's been a

[4:32:13] lot of effort to really look at these projects critically and say it's what is really

[4:32:19] needed, what is the most advantageous for the most number of people and you know, in my opinion,

[4:32:27] is that highways are necessary for the delivery of services to our people, for an EMS, and

[4:32:35] fire, and share certificates. So it's not just for the, for the public to travel on, it's

[4:32:41] also for the people to come to help them. That's what they're troubled. So it's over fire, EMS,

[4:32:47] it's all of those things, for a factor, and I know you've looked at it that way. Then we have

[4:32:52] Rose, they're necessary to call those schools and things we've had to do to make it easy for people to take their kids to school and be safe at school, so I know you have a list that's going ahead.

[4:33:05] Thank you, Judge. We won't take very long. I think over the last four or six weeks our team working with Jerry and Adam and your staff and your in your road committee.

[4:33:13] It's been a lot of time with all the commission.

[4:33:15] If we've seen a lot of time with lawn, it's well to look at contracts.

[4:33:19] The least you have in front of you today represents all those discussions.

[4:33:23] It's a little confusing about how we broke it up.

[4:33:26] I apologize for that, but we were trying to look at what kind of language you might have at the same time working with Mark Kennedy.

[4:33:33] So when you talk about the top there, name projects, those would be that if the court chooses could be specifically spelled out in the bond ballot.

[4:33:41] Now, I know there are some of the commissioners are thinking about maybe adding some other projects

[4:33:45] removing some around, but that's obviously item 23.

[4:33:48] Where we are right now though with all the projects is a little over 153 million dollars.

[4:33:54] And specifically to your point, Judge, I think all the commissioners and certainly the consultants and your staff have lifted all these things from a criteria standpoint.

[4:34:04] I would say that safety and mobility were two of the highest priorities of trying to address

[4:34:12] where there's existing mobility problems, where there's existing safety and operational problems,

[4:34:17] where there's existing accident issues, try to use those as a high priority.

[4:34:22] Second, then looking at just like you're doing for jail, we're going to plan for the future.

[4:34:27] I mean, spending money today, if the road's going to be full of the day, it's open,

[4:34:31] how we can start protecting those quarters. The land use issue that we've just discussed

[4:34:34] is a great example. If you can identify these quarters and protect them, you're going

[4:34:40] to be buying an ex-domestation or subdivision someday, because you're eventually going to need

[4:34:43] to build those projects. So that was another priority. And then last but not least, was economic

[4:34:47] development. You know, the growth you've had is no doubt been attributed to the fact

[4:34:52] that you've addressed the mobility issues of this county and tried to provide additional

[4:34:58] So those are the kind of criteria to do.

[4:35:00] With your commissioners who know their precincts better than anybody, they've all reached out and talked to their citizens, their cities.

[4:35:07] So I think I can automatically stand here and tell you that everything on this list is certainly needed.

[4:35:13] If you weren't building the jail, I could probably double the amount of money here on the other projects that had to be dropped off because there wasn't enough money to do those.

[4:35:22] And I think these projects are once a lot of them can be done very quickly.

[4:35:25] Especially out of the safety projects, but you're also the implanning for the future.

[4:35:31] So again, I've ended up with the commissioners to talk about there.

[4:35:34] But we can answer any questions you have.

[4:35:36] I think this list represents adds of about 10-15 this morning.

[4:35:42] The best input that we've had from the court.

[4:35:44] And I'm real happy to glad that you've got dry needs, low water crossings,

[4:35:49] and brick replacements there as well as environmental mitigation and conservation,

[4:35:53] and non-motorized transportation.

[4:35:56] So those are important for the future of Hayes County.

[4:35:59] And that's, that's money will spent

[4:36:01] because that prevents problems and loss

[4:36:05] and all sorts of things.

[4:36:06] So the shares to probably still in a great job

[4:36:08] this morning, I got turned around three times

[4:36:10] trying to get here, so.

[4:36:12] And that's actually a really good thing.

[4:36:15] They do a great job.

[4:36:17] And text I was out on, I think, on 9, 6, 7,

[4:36:19] this morning as well.

[4:36:21] It's all answering your questions you have, or...

[4:36:25] No, no, no, this backwards.

[4:36:28] I'd like to make one, I'd just want to make sure the courts are wearing.

[4:36:31] The importance of the nine projects, and Mark tell me, correct me if I'm wrong.

[4:36:36] If we put something in the nine project list before we can do anything that's not on that,

[4:36:42] the nine project list, they all have to be done.

[4:36:45] Mark does that include the, I guess what we call the three bucket list also.

[4:36:50] I would think not because you're specifying that you're willing to spend a certain amount

[4:36:57] of funding on the bucket and in essence, even though it's not a specific project, you've

[4:37:04] named that expenditure, it's the savings or the surplus from the named road projects that

[4:37:14] you could not utilize for an unnamed project until you've completed the work on the name

[4:37:19] projects that's been the rule we live with after the 2008 bond and that's the rule we live

[4:37:24] with here.

[4:37:25] You know, in our project we do, there's always someone who's seen the situation when we

[4:37:30] came and built these blue things, all these things that fit together to make the cost of the

[4:37:36] project higher than the budgetaries I want to bring that up so I think it's really important

[4:37:40] what, before we name a project we've got to make sure that there's not something that we would

[4:37:45] think would eventually have to be done before that project, it's not on that list.

[4:37:48] It's a priority road bond project, what we're going to do.

[4:37:52] By the way, I'll just say in advance of,

[4:37:55] before we get too far into this workshop,

[4:37:56] that Julie Houston, Bond's Council is here.

[4:37:59] And I welcome the opportunity to be told I'm wrong

[4:38:03] at any moment.

[4:38:04] And she has a microphone back there.

[4:38:06] So that may happen shortly.

[4:38:08] And so do we.

[4:38:10] Yeah.

[4:38:11] Thank you.

[4:38:13] Thank you.

[4:38:14] She has also told I'm wrong.

[4:38:17] I'll ask the question because the name projects, the very first ones in a point where the

[4:38:24] safety improvements in right away preservation. I know you have it as one and three. I don't

[4:38:30] know how that breaks down. The only reason I say that is because in the numbers, I'm not even sure

[4:38:38] what the limits are, I guess, if would be from

[4:38:42] Hunter to 266 possibly, I'm not sure.

[4:38:47] Is that the limits of that?

[4:38:50] And it's so,

[4:38:53] center point road on the west side of the one corner

[4:38:56] to Commissioner Conflict, and the east side would be the me.

[4:39:01] So, you know, because I prefer to have the SH80 and military

[4:39:05] drive and we have been one 10 intersection improvements as some of my name, the ones and

[4:39:12] not in a point road. And nothing against, you know, your commissioner calling wants to

[4:39:18] have that as one of any projects because it's important to have. So I guess I'm just trying to

[4:39:24] determine, you know, what the limits are and the division of funding because I may want to change that.

[4:39:34] The majority of that money about 3 million of it is for the project from Hunter Road back over to Ranch Road 12 and then there's

[4:39:43] Yeah, going back there

[4:39:46] That's all increasing three and then it was a little bit of money for center point and you're praising behind the mall and then the balance of your center point money is down below

[4:39:55] Other potential projects the other two million dollars for the center port center

[4:40:00] Point, improvements, back over to the County Monk.

[4:40:03] You see, that's important because that road between the out of this ball has been actually screwed up.

[4:40:08] So that's really an important road.

[4:40:10] Well, it is, but I think we have sufficient right away already on that road to where we've wanted to make improvements on its political safety improvements.

[4:40:21] You know, we could do that without putting it in, so that's where I just, I don't want to get into it.

[4:40:28] I think the purpose of all this we've done is so that you can say what is the most important

[4:40:34] thing in transportation and you're free to say that you get your right on it is that

[4:40:42] I have the purpose I think I think that's one of them it also it's I think it's very important

[4:40:46] that when you go out to the voters you let them know the types of projects you're thinking about

[4:40:50] doing and that's why a lot of courts or cities you can put them in their bond language.

[4:40:54] other courts, your neighbors to the North and Wings and County actually adopted the entire list

[4:40:59] that this is what we're going to build. And then they only put maybe a half a dozen of them

[4:41:04] into the, into the, into the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, we're going to do this.

[4:41:12] That's right. You know, everybody is a little different. And so I think that the citizens of

[4:41:17] County should be involved in the process.

[4:41:20] You're money, so to pay for it, let's do that.

[4:41:23] Yeah. Well, the one other thing too, Judges, I think, as Dan pointed out this morning talking

[4:41:26] about, we have not said now, your team is not sitting down and looked at the cash flows.

[4:41:32] You know, because you know, I doubt very seriously when you go sell 80 million dollars

[4:41:37] worth of bonds day one to work on that list of main projects.

[4:41:41] So we haven't really looked at that in detail.

[4:41:42] And the other thing we need to explain to people is we're not talking about selling all the bonds

[4:41:47] on the same way. We pull trances and issues those bonds when we need to do the projects that we

[4:41:57] disclose. And some projects, I think, as you know, for your last bond program, as you

[4:42:02] enter a minute ago, we're going to move a lot faster than the other ones. It's sometimes easier

[4:42:06] to cheaper to build a Western 35 and it is easy, depending on what kind of road you're building.

[4:42:11] Who's acting like that?

[4:42:13] Because you got bridges and all sorts of things in the west, but you got black clay on the east, it makes the road harder to build.

[4:42:20] Well, I first thought I really appreciate the work.

[4:42:27] A lot of times been spent by our colleagues here getting us to this point in our staff and Adam and War of basically counting staff at this point in time.

[4:42:41] And getting us to this point, I think, we're really close with just reinstating things

[4:42:47] that Mike said that I know we all agreed that what I see here in my knowledge of page

[4:42:55] counting and of presentation, there's no throwaway project here, you know, there's no

[4:43:03] often in need, but I think it's going to be, but obviously we have a budget restraints that

[4:43:12] we have to live within and in what level a debt service, this court feels comfortable

[4:43:20] posing to the people we represent for them to make a decision. Second, I think it's very

[4:43:28] important that we are as specific as possible in our proposition language, so that it

[4:43:44] is distinctly clear to citizens of the county,

[4:43:52] what they are voting on. I think that's

[4:43:56] about so important. As Mike stated, it is very different. Judges, you stated it's very different

[4:44:04] in different counties in different type of constituencies.

[4:44:10] Speaking just to the constituencies

[4:44:12] that I directly represent,

[4:44:16] specifics are important, and it's essential to getting their support

[4:44:25] on on these types of things and so I think we need to I would really feel

[4:44:34] comfortable listening as much as we possibly can understand that we still have

[4:44:39] some buckets for for non-transportation I mean non-mode rise thank you judge non-mode

[4:44:47] rise you know the environment all the conservation yes thank you right

[4:44:52] or Twitter, and some of these flood issues, I think that's important.

[4:44:58] I'd like to tease out.

[4:45:00] Lastly, with our staff, kind of what's under this 10 million safety bucket and talk about that a little bit more.

[4:45:10] Again, I think the more broader and specific we can be, I think, one is just the right thing.

[4:45:20] The two, it starts to clearly draw a picture of two people that live all over the county.

[4:45:29] What's going on, countywide,

[4:45:33] and what perhaps may be something of a backyard issue to them,

[4:45:39] or something that may use more than other places, people in drip and have a certain piece of the network.

[4:45:47] that they use more than people in St. Marcus,

[4:45:50] beautiful, and cold, and wind-bling, and it's all different.

[4:45:53] So I think it's important to lay that out.

[4:45:58] I'm really glad to see the conservation

[4:46:01] environmental and the non-motorized buckets

[4:46:03] in here along with some of the flood stuff.

[4:46:05] I'd like us to identify a real bit more

[4:46:08] and pull out some of those safety projects

[4:46:12] a bit.

[4:46:14] As you stated, Commissioner is important to know

[4:46:15] But when we identified those, yes, we must meet those projects and up to the point of letting,

[4:46:22] up to the point of letting that we can move forward.

[4:46:26] But that's what I would like to accomplish.

[4:46:27] The second thing I would like to accomplish, besides us prioritizing and reorganizing this a

[4:46:34] little bit, for example, I have no interest in centerpoint from 100 to 12 being in this

[4:46:42] on package,

[4:46:45] so I work on that, I'd much rather, there's much more clear in present

[4:46:51] danger if you have a higher priority on McCarty, right away, the preservation, than that.

[4:47:00] As one example, something in my precinct, I'm certain all colleagues have different things

[4:47:04] they'd like to massage.

[4:47:04] But I also think it's very important that we specify how any of these dollars, whether it

[4:47:16] identified specifically today or there are dollars left over of what they can't be

[4:47:24] used for.

[4:47:26] This commissioner's court, not one member of this court, has any interest of using these

[4:47:31] dollars on any type of capacity expansion on, for example, on FN150, anywhere on FN150,

[4:47:44] but precisely from 3237 to retro 12.

[4:47:49] Let me go further to give a level of security and comfort to people.

[4:47:55] I believe we can build very comfortable putting those same type of conditions on our M-12 from the junction of 12 and 32, heading west all the way to the intersection of our M-12 and F-150.

[4:48:17] And if we need to to get that extra security blanket, that extra level of comfort would be

[4:48:26] happy to make the same type of specific requirement on FM-2325 and on 3237.

[4:48:36] But now we have a very needed basic safety improvement project on FM32-2737.

[4:48:46] I believe that's needed.

[4:48:48] I talk to a lot of subdivisions that live out in my area.

[4:48:51] Use that every day.

[4:48:52] It's become dangerous.

[4:48:54] Let me be clear.

[4:48:56] These are the types of improvements on that you've seen on for the Wimbly folks.

[4:49:01] And on FM-2325 from the High School to Fisherstore Road, this is the type of safety

[4:49:08] improvements you have seen from the junction.

[4:49:12] Going into Sam Markers before you get to one-to-one-world extensions, the same things

[4:49:20] David, as you were talking about, the shoulders and the turn links, things of that nature.

[4:49:27] That has become a dangerous road.

[4:49:29] But we are also going to prove it from the safety standards that people give us the permission to do so with the same process and integrity

[4:49:39] As we have done these other roadways that I think most in our community would say that they appreciate it

[4:49:45] And that is maintaining the essence of what we're trying to keep it in a carbush and not part of the county.

[4:49:53] So, you know, 32, 37, 7, 7, the 150, the Hayes is stored.

[4:50:00] It's a treasurer's road. That's which one. From the summer's mill, my pass to 1.15, on 3.37, it goes by saying Stephen's there.

[4:50:11] Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's what it is. It's improvement for safety. It's really, it's basically become very tight.

[4:50:17] And so those are the things we're talking about, and so I think it is important.

[4:50:24] There's no desire or need for, we can have the lawyers talk about some language and work with our transportation people.

[4:50:35] But what we're really talking about is additional capacity.

[4:50:39] That's what we're really talking about.

[4:50:40] We'll find the best way to capture that.

[4:50:43] That doesn't handcuff us to where we could have put terminal on something.

[4:50:48] But that's what we're really talking about.

[4:50:51] And I think it would be more than appropriate.

[4:50:52] My colleagues agree, particularly my fellow colleagues in the West,

[4:50:58] to just let's go ahead and let's just lay that out there.

[4:51:02] And legally bind, legally bind that.

[4:51:05] So that people understand it and have a level of comfort

[4:51:10] with this proposition of how dollars could be spent if there were dollars and left over for

[4:51:19] a feature-time project.

[4:51:21] And Commissioner, I don't know if the description he said, my only concern is the

[4:51:25] name projects.

[4:51:27] I don't want them to hinder us from being able to do something to some of these other projects

[4:51:31] because they had to be completed before we can do any of this.

[4:51:34] I guess my example.

[4:51:37] We have 150 the West Relignment right away in utilities.

[4:51:43] Is the I.S. going to delay that four five years?

[4:51:48] And is that going to keep us if that's not a completed project

[4:51:50] from doing another project if we got all these other night ones done?

[4:51:54] I'm not.

[4:51:55] I'm not.

[4:51:55] I'm really long.

[4:51:57] I'm really not.

[4:51:57] Are any of these projects at this?

[4:52:00] Yeah.

[4:52:00] And let me amend my answer earlier because Julie and I have discussed this question about

[4:52:06] the buckets a bit more.

[4:52:11] The buckets, which are represented by environmental litigation, what we call a non-motorized

[4:52:23] transportation, here we have it called per the AG's recommendation, pedestrian walkways

[4:52:29] bicycle transportation improvements. So we can argue semantics all day, but that's how it's

[4:52:37] expressed in a bond proposition language and then low water crossings, correct? If the court

[4:52:45] had in mind for those buckets, something that is not in aid of one of the named projects that it

[4:52:52] would need to wait until the named projects are complete before it can spend the buckets on other

[4:52:59] one named Projects, or if you only have in mind, for instance, a non-motorized transportation

[4:53:05] piece that is associated with and existing county, road, county, road connector or state

[4:53:13] highway that is not named and then you could name that very specifically, specifying only

[4:53:20] bicycle and pedestrian and it could be part of the bond proposition specifically and therefore

[4:53:27] spent immediately.

[4:53:30] Is that understandable?

[4:53:31] I think so.

[4:53:32] You see what I'm trying to get.

[4:53:33] I just don't want to hand, you know.

[4:53:34] Now I think Commissioner Jones, you're talking about additional roadways and I'm talking

[4:53:38] about the buckets.

[4:53:39] Those are slow.

[4:53:39] I'm also talking about additional roadways.

[4:53:40] We have something that we have something that we have our control list delign us.

[4:53:44] Does that we have to wait till that project and completely finish before we do it a

[4:53:47] name project?

[4:53:50] Correct.

[4:53:55] I'm not saying this because we're waiting on a, we're waiting on a, we might be waiting

[4:53:59] Here's on any IS on a project, is that going to hold up us from doing any of these good?

[4:54:04] I would urge you to be as flexible as you can be just for that reason.

[4:54:10] I mean, every county I work with and every bond council I work with have different interpretations of what that means.

[4:54:18] There means just one dollar you have to physically build it.

[4:54:22] I'm not going to practice law up here, but I would urge the court to be just for the reasons you just mentioned to be very careful

[4:54:27] because another high priority project could come up and you could get to it because it wouldn't

[4:54:33] be a part of your life.

[4:54:36] So I think, you know, so let's, we'll need what's that box on, all the schools on, you know,

[4:54:42] a lot of things.

[4:54:44] No.

[4:54:44] For non-mobilization.

[4:54:46] It's beautiful.

[4:54:47] Right.

[4:54:48] So.

[4:54:50] So.

[4:54:51] Mom's like, well, I just can't say.

[4:54:53] I mentioned this just because it was not my precinct but by the way.

[4:55:00] So that we have all received multiple emails and made calls and visits regarding the FM-150.

[4:55:07] But can you tell me what those limits are on the FM-150 West Realignment right when you do this?

[4:55:16] Just because there's a section that they're, you know, those calls on the email.

[4:55:22] That's what the question of calling is.

[4:55:24] And I usually speak and do because the real onman is basically considered from the

[4:55:29] Arcton Road in Interstate 35 to a poor in a left in 150 this generally in the

[4:55:34] Royal Ranch Subvision may be east of west of that, it generally and to be honest

[4:55:38] with you that that part of the alignment is not as defined now as it's some other

[4:55:44] portion of it aren't.

[4:55:45] I think Mr. Weaver made the best point in regard for this particular item and

[4:55:49] That is, there's so much

[4:55:54] activity there that if we're not able to do something within a reasonable

[4:55:58] period of time and we have through the process of the realignment effort have gotten to

[4:56:04] a point with the majority of the property owners that there is some reasonable definition

[4:56:08] to a quarter through there and if it's not done in a reasonable time we're going to lose

[4:56:14] a lot of opportunity and find our citizens playing a lot more money someday to try to get

[4:56:20] some of the traffic that's having to go to Center Street in Cal and out either FN 150 or

[4:56:26] up to the head west or come from the west south to the end of the state 35.

[4:56:32] Okay, so I'll say clear, it's just basically just in Cal and currently we have it, we have

[4:56:46] defined on number nine there. So we did define the boundaries. Of course, that's our

[4:56:53] that's Mark's. He put that in the bond language, so that we have that on the list.

[4:56:59] So it's directly represents what's in the language right now. Those boundaries.

[4:57:03] So when we officially open the item 23 or whatever item it is, we can go through the language,

[4:57:09] but I'll just represent to you that for nine, we have named the limits of construction

[4:57:19] to be the realignment from I-35 at Yarnton to the intersection of current FM-150 and FM-32-37.

[4:57:29] The reason I did not take it just to 27-70s because I believe there are some shoulder improvements

[4:57:35] and some widening and termings of what you did was to find the budget for it.

[4:57:40] Well, no, I did not define the budget.

[4:57:41] I mean, you know what I'm saying is you gave a dollar amount and you could put whatever

[4:57:45] you can in there to.

[4:57:47] Now what I did in addition to that was I specified that bond money would not be spent

[4:57:57] between the intersection of FM150 and 3237 up to the intersection of current FM150

[4:58:05] and Ranch Road 12. So there's that section, a rather long one, and it's, of course, that section

[4:58:11] where you go through those water crossings and whatnot, but there's an old state on that.

[4:58:15] Basically, for the majority part, the area can serve in the quarter-study, which is another segment of the right.

[4:58:23] They have to have a little 50 consideration.

[4:58:24] Well, you need to leave yourself flexible enough to change the road to meet the need in different locations.

[4:58:29] Well, I think Judge the only place where you can consider your roads in this would be in this item, the safety improvement for the area of 3237, back to the Jimmelary of 2770 or lower your rent.

[4:58:48] So the statement that Mark just made that not spending any time between those certain sections is the section that we've been getting a lot of concerns.

[4:58:58] Right, so then no widening of shoulders or center turnings or anything is going to be spent on that section of roadway.

[4:59:09] I wouldn't say, well, not out of the state of Texas, maybe with some urging from the county could maybe go in and, you know, kind of know maybe.

[4:59:22] But we're state-of-the-art, that's very modern, if anything.

[4:59:25] None of these public policies.

[4:59:27] You know, none of these bond funds would take place.

[4:59:29] I don't know about this.

[4:59:30] I want to balance off the conversation with the record.

[4:59:34] We've got a lot of social issues and lots of other people who, uh,

[4:59:40] thank you.

[4:59:42] I support these effort with the plan.

[4:59:45] So let's just make this a, in no, no fault to go over here.

[4:59:49] To make this a balanced conversation, as we're doing this, you usually don't hear those pieces and they'll be happy to send that correspondence.

[5:00:00] But it is all over the place. And we got a lot of work to do. But that's why it has never been considered a

[5:00:11] considered as part of of this bond project.

[5:00:16] God knows.

[5:00:17] We also need to keep in mind the timeline.

[5:00:21] Between today and writing on those improvements,

[5:00:25] it's not tomorrow.

[5:00:27] We're going to turn dirt tomorrow.

[5:00:29] So it takes a long time to get those things.

[5:00:31] And we need to be smart enough to try to say,

[5:00:35] if the situation changes,

[5:00:38] we don't plan ourselves into a coin.

[5:00:39] That's what we're trying to do.

[5:00:44] And we take in the Liberty Laws built this spreadsheet where we actually have flexibility, she can change it, I'm just taking each other sane and we're changing that as we go by no means.

[5:00:54] I mean, it's in stone, but so currently I removed the first one, which was.

[5:00:59] Commissioner Colle's comment on center point.

[5:01:02] And we replaced that with McCarty F and 110 at 123 and State Highway at Military Intersection Improvement.

[5:01:12] So just from we're just listening and now I did want to, if the court allows it, I did want to keep Hunter to some to 35 because that's in that hot air.

[5:01:24] I believe we estimated a million and a half for that.

[5:01:27] I was there, I mean, this is all part of what we generally, I'd like to take off the

[5:01:35] three and a half, and I'd like to have a half million and a half there for Center

[5:01:39] Point.

[5:01:40] If we believe that's responsible, as it was originally perceived to be from Hunter to the

[5:01:49] Interstate, to Interstate, let me be specific to Interstate 35.

[5:01:54] And then I've been a million and a half from a party, and then, uh, the Ministry of

[5:02:02] Industries Project, uh, our area of these all our projects.

[5:02:06] Can we?

[5:02:07] Can we?

[5:02:08] Can we talk about, uh, from the, uh, cozy south to, uh, the county line there, changing

[5:02:15] and working on that, because, uh, Mr. Flatne, you'll be happy to know that, if most of them,

[5:02:22] over middle-class people at Hayes County that work in San Marcos will actually live in

[5:02:26] Comel County.

[5:02:27] The tremendous growth you're experiencing in northern Comel County or mainly Hayes County

[5:02:33] and people that work here, but they live there because of all sorts of factors and so

[5:02:38] they're the tragic on that, on that road day by day on Hunter Road.

[5:02:43] So we already have the growth, now we're trying to figure out how to safely get them back

[5:02:51] So there's one item I would like to move up into the name list is the railroad switching

[5:02:56] in Kyle.

[5:02:58] The other one is one to be named.

[5:03:02] So I understand how you all created this question for Jones.

[5:03:06] So when we're looking at the sample people, when you're looking at the yellow, that's basically

[5:03:16] what y'all are proposing that we do as a bond, everything in yellow, right, is that right

[5:03:24] more? And then you have, and then you have the blue, which are projects, potential projects

[5:03:31] that we wish we had funding for today, but we don't, don't fill, we should fund today.

[5:03:38] My reading is correctly.

[5:03:39] a lower priority problem, yes, but they will officially, I guess we, so let me ask

[5:03:45] you a different way. It's just proposal as it stands right now for basically $131

[5:03:52] million transportation bond, or is it $453 million transportation? That would be up to the

[5:03:57] wing, that would be up to the cool. I didn't know if you'll have to. Yeah, we are not. We're not.

[5:04:01] Okay, I don't know if we're in our commission with you. Yeah, we've worked individually on our

[5:04:08] Okay, I was just trying to make some reasons for this.

[5:04:11] This is an open workshop, and the courts are more than willing or able to put whatever projects in whatever carrier they want.

[5:04:19] Yeah, I'm sure you're currently at some things that we need to think about.

[5:04:22] Yes, sure.

[5:04:23] Well, I think I brought up a lot of good points, and I think you've brought up some really good points.

[5:04:30] So, how can we, how can we talk through this to try to accommodate the best of our ability of both issues?

[5:04:38] Let me ask Laura, Mike, and Alex, and probably opposite of that.

[5:04:43] Are there any of our name projects?

[5:04:46] Because we have potential hinders.

[5:04:49] Isn't that?

[5:04:50] By being a name project.

[5:04:52] I know what I'm trying to get at, is there a possibility that there could be a delay on that project?

[5:04:56] where we're going to have to be, we're going to have to wait to list completely finished and it could.

[5:05:01] And we can't do any of these other unnamed projects till this inflate. Is there anything on our, the negative rules that we need to consider?

[5:05:09] The only one that I would really worry about, if someone you already mentioned, and that once text not starts the EIS, that could be 24 months or 36 months. So if you had to spend all 11 million hours, which is what Mr. Kennedy said, you probably not going to get that done to her three years.

[5:05:23] And then that keeps us from doing anything else for five or six years.

[5:05:27] It's not the right one.

[5:05:29] In two projects that we started this process, I mentioned to you the ability to leverage some

[5:05:34] of your current partnership programs, and to the projects that are down below, particularly

[5:05:39] the Robert S. White Extension in 2001, TechSouth is going to build up, say, have the money

[5:05:44] in the back.

[5:05:45] Well, if you can't get to those two or three years, I'm not going to stand here and tell you

[5:05:48] that TechSouth is going to sell how the money.

[5:05:49] That's why I'm very hesitant to leave those two projects off of the night and list, right?

[5:05:55] But currently they are in, they would be in a bond if the court felt comfortable around this 130, 130.

[5:06:05] But they're not in the night.

[5:06:06] So, say we had the LiS, the line is 4.5 years.

[5:06:09] Text us, ready to build those two rows.

[5:06:13] And that we can't go further than that money goes away.

[5:06:16] But what if you put those on the main list?

[5:06:19] I mean that would be that would I I think maybe we don't get a hundred percent there

[5:06:25] But I think we need to get as far down that half as as possible on on on making no solicitation

[5:06:33] So put

[5:06:34] And again you brought up a very good point commissioner about about number four and again

[5:06:39] Let's make that clear that's better from yearington on I 35 that 2770

[5:06:45] It is also part of an EI EIS and we might want to consider moving in it to the, I don't know what we need because I've always get a find in it or the discretionary.

[5:06:56] Maybe in the bullpen or something else, but in comparison I don't know if you consider moving that into that list.

[5:07:04] Well, one option you might consider, and again, let the lawyers work out the language that we've done with a couple other counties,

[5:07:11] We created a right away bucket, a text on right away bucket because we didn't know when that text

[5:07:16] our project was going to come. So we just set up a chunk of money and said, well, text

[5:07:20] I may ask us next week, they may ask us two years from now, and it was a bucket there for

[5:07:24] right away. So that might be it. Oh, that's a good, that's a good thought, Mike. And because it also

[5:07:31] says on here and we'd have to get into the weeds and how this estimate came up, but it also says

[5:07:39] you tell these, well, this is basically a graphite project, so I don't know exactly what we

[5:07:47] mean by you tell these basically what we're hoping to accomplish as I understand the county's

[5:07:53] goal is as the environmental processes moving forward that we have the ability to have

[5:08:02] And running on a parallel track with the environmental, basic schematic, alignment in our

[5:08:11] goal of dealing with the approaches right away before that opportunity is a commissioner

[5:08:16] described.

[5:08:18] It's gone and we can't really improve the bottleneck that is in downtown Kyle.

[5:08:24] That is a huge part of our entire transportation network.

[5:08:29] So, we're really talking about just right away, aren't we?

[5:08:33] When those that did these estimates, the 11 million, I don't know if you worked on this one personally might put that.

[5:08:39] The 118, we're basically just talking about right away, aren't we?

[5:08:43] I think we had budget at about three million, three and a half million to the future engineering, which is one of your commitments in partnership, but the other seven or eight is all for right away.

[5:08:53] Okay, so engineering being the actual design so the tech stock could come build it.

[5:08:58] Okay, okay, okay, but I'll be honest with you, Commissioner, if you asked me to right now to sit down and put cash

[5:09:02] hod together, I wouldn't put probably none of that 118 and 1st on sale because you're not going to spend it.

[5:09:09] So,

[5:09:14] okay, well,

[5:09:17] that's, that's, those are some ideas about the bucket.

[5:09:21] What I would suggest is maybe we throw out some, a bunch of different things and then we recess for, you know,

[5:09:26] 15 minutes or so, 20 minutes, let our council talk about that and then kind of come back and just keep.

[5:09:33] It's going to take some time I think to get this right, but it's worth getting it.

[5:09:36] It's worth getting it right.

[5:09:37] I've got one shot here.

[5:09:38] Yes, that's right.

[5:09:42] That's right.

[5:09:43] There's somewhere you're ranging.

[5:09:44] I would do as far as if we feel like we're going to try to do our best.

[5:09:49] stay around the 1.30-1.35 which you know where I think I am and see people not in their

[5:09:58] That's it.

[5:09:59] Thank you.

[5:10:00] You know, do some rear-braging like you've already done a little bit. I'd like to talk to our county road department about posi.

[5:10:09] What do you want to break around 5-10 minutes and then must come back and maybe make suggestions on what you would like to be in the name to projects and what you would be there's anything you want to pull out of the name projects.

[5:10:21] And then a little bit more of a specificity on the safety mobility, I think would be nice.

[5:10:29] For example, as I know right now, I know there's projects, safety projects, for example,

[5:10:37] and Commissioner Wisnett's precinct.

[5:10:41] But they're not really late out here.

[5:10:44] You know, I'm afraid people won't understand that that's part of the part of the ball.

[5:10:49] And again, that was a tip of my particular, you know, so I suggest 15, I mean, because this is a conversation.

[5:10:58] Let me just interject and say that based on what Ron and I heard the court saying, up to now, we have had Laura name all projects that we think the commissioners wanted named.

[5:11:14] And the current total on it is 93,300,000.

[5:11:18] This is the addition of 80, the U.P. line.

[5:11:25] We've taken center point and knocked it down to 1.5.

[5:11:29] Commissioner Perrier request.

[5:11:31] CR266 has been out of bed.

[5:11:33] I'm probably going to ask you to add,

[5:11:34] if in one 2001 gap in the Robert-like bridge right away.

[5:11:40] Truck by a pass right away.

[5:11:44] Okay, and the winners know safety, winners know safety improvements and the just just list them all

[5:11:52] And the visitor store 23 25 again, this is going back to the to the trying to describe

[5:11:59] to the best of our ability, you know, where

[5:12:03] Oh, I constituent a constituent and the far Western part of the Wimbledy Bally

[5:12:12] I think needs to know that there's a safety improvement at one of the busiest intersections

[5:12:16] on the 23 to 25.

[5:12:20] And that doesn't, there's no impediment there too, as we describe rightfully so the potential

[5:12:29] of the embankment of the document, for example, with Mr. Lincoln talk about those are easy,

[5:12:33] basic safety projects.

[5:12:35] Commissioner of that safety mobility bucket. We tried to get as many of the safety projects as it's recorded

[5:12:40] And if I spelled out they're in here like an 80 and some of you know you're winning the bill

[5:12:45] This was this was for those projects to keep coming up every time we turn around

[5:12:48] Whatever because of the school there or something else

[5:12:51] You know recently when we had to put the traffic light up over at 1 10 and 1 23

[5:12:55] Let's take a 10 minute break

[5:12:57] We'll try to reconcile those last comment. Yeah, let's take a 10 minute break

[5:13:03] Session now, trying to grow the lowest hanging fruit to start off with, as we work

[5:13:09] through the complexity of this very important proposition,

[5:13:14] the limitations that we talked

[5:13:16] about and we are talking about for the most part of any capacity expansion mark would be,

[5:13:34] to ensure that clinical savings would not be used for capacity issues.

[5:13:46] This question for you more.

[5:13:50] Yes, listen.

[5:13:51] Okay.

[5:13:53] Is having a language with Julie's assistance that limits, again,

[5:14:02] FM-150 at the very minimum from 3237, FM-32372, Rancho-12, M-150. Furthermore, I'd like

[5:14:15] to add, if the courts agreeable, making those same limits,

[5:14:24] Rancho-12 in 2325 and 3237 on capacity

[5:14:30] increases none. To me, that does not mean you can't do a turn-lane project or a shoulder

[5:14:37] project. We're talking about adding lanes basically. It's clear as I can state that

[5:14:43] truly.

[5:14:46] I would feel very comfortable making that developing restrictive language and

[5:14:54] bond that takes that by law.

[5:15:00] In our bond language off the table, could we draw something like that, of that that looks like that and describes that properly.

[5:15:10] So, when we open item 23 is it?

[5:15:18] We'll have the luxury of looking at the bond language, the proposition language.

[5:15:24] You have the long, the court knows at least enough at this point to know that you have long language

[5:15:28] in short language.

[5:15:30] All right, there's the language that goes on the ballot and there's the proposition

[5:15:32] language that will be available to voters at the polling place, but will not be expressed

[5:15:38] on the ballot.

[5:15:39] They say more or less the same thing.

[5:15:42] The problem with trying to get into a detailed description of what you're going to do in

[5:15:49] the proposition language is that it gets lengthy and confusing usually.

[5:15:55] Well, it can be, I mean, if Julie and I are writing it, well, I'm sure it would be abundantly clear.

[5:16:02] But at least in our own opinions.

[5:16:07] The other thing though that don't forget the other contract with the voters is going to be whatever we disseminate in support of the proposition.

[5:16:17] In other words, in support of providing factual information, it shows what we're going to do.

[5:16:22] In 2008, we had a three-fold brochure, that three-fold brochure also obligated us and limited us in certain ways.

[5:16:32] And so it may be that if you want to get into context and specifically how you're going to build a roadway or improve a roadway,

[5:16:42] then maybe that's the more appropriate place to do it, not in the proposition language itself.

[5:16:48] It's something to think about at least.

[5:16:54] But you can write that up if you struck a two by this court.

[5:16:58] If the court is going to do so, I would be on the board.

[5:17:02] Just one.

[5:17:02] Just one, make sure.

[5:17:04] I would remind you that you do work for all of us.

[5:17:09] Yes.

[5:17:09] I said the court.

[5:17:10] Mind you.

[5:17:11] So did I judge you.

[5:17:13] Well, I guess the move is for a little bit.

[5:17:15] I'll ask Mike and Lauren Allen.

[5:17:18] You know, I've had a chance to overlook the update in the list.

[5:17:22] Is there anything that you all would recommend that would be put on there that's not on there or anything on there that you would like us to consider not have you know.

[5:17:32] I think that's a very good list and I point out that what we did one of the big items we took was the in law and corporate to language was the bucket at the bottom we you know, we had three separate ones and we had that seven and a half million.

[5:17:45] And we'd lumped all that in now into 225, so non-motorized and all that's in one place.

[5:17:51] I think all the other projects that you all have suggested can have shortened terms.

[5:17:55] Probably all make sense and could be done.

[5:17:58] That's certainly time for you.

[5:18:00] So we have the 225, and then we still have the safety mobility attention.

[5:18:05] No, we'd lump all that together.

[5:18:07] We'd lump that together also.

[5:18:09] We took the three that were 5 million each, lumped together with the 75 and the 125.

[5:18:15] And it is county wide, which can only be divided by precinct, so that is right down the 225.

[5:18:26] Again, this can be used for environmental mitigation, conservation, non-motorized transportation, drainage, water, water crossings.

[5:18:38] And that is the five, that was on our original list, I'll bucket the three-fives, and then the 75-fives.

[5:18:48] Yes, or add it to that.

[5:18:49] And again, as Mr. Kennedy said, how do you describe it to the voters, but right now I'm kind of going to talk about what's going on.

[5:18:56] There is certainly.

[5:18:56] So there is a...

[5:18:57] There's a...

[5:18:57] What's taken on?

[5:18:58] Because if you have the 10, it's 32.

[5:19:01] Now the 10 for safety mobility is still done at the bottom once you decide all name.

[5:19:06] If you decide on that number, they're 100 and I can't read it.

[5:19:11] 1-15-615 and you decide if you want to do 135, then you can figure out how you

[5:19:19] spend the other 20 on the rest of the stuff down below.

[5:19:22] So the courts comfortable with the 1-13-35 figure,

[5:19:30] would it address the issues that we all

[5:19:33] to have by naming all of these in the second tier of yellow,

[5:19:46] the Zadadruss, the Zadadruss

[5:19:48] and he concerns, like, I believe that up to my colleagues with all three months or in there now.

[5:19:54] I would remind the court that we had bomb accounts for coming today and said we had approximately

[5:19:59] Two-and-a-three.

[5:20:00] The bill of the bill of the bill. That's currently not half to spend $250 million dollars. We try to get the things that we think are important.

[5:20:13] Somewhere under that. So now we're standing at 1.15, you tell me 1.35 plus 1.6.

[5:20:19] One, two, one, six.

[5:20:25] So three, four, six, four, six, four, six,

[5:20:30] four, six, four, six, four, yeah, so we've got to be very careful now that we understand the prioritization of these projects, then, you know, near near to my heart is, to support the thing that Adam and I have talked to his typical repair and replacement of low water crossings with more durable low water crossings, so that we can make those, that saves us money in the long run.

[5:20:53] And the drainage projects, those save us money because the road is not inundated.

[5:20:58] So a lot of those things deal with water quality.

[5:21:01] And so those things are really near bridge replacements.

[5:21:05] We got lots of bridges that need to work be worked on in the place.

[5:21:09] And so I would prioritize that much higher personally.

[5:21:14] Well, I did some of that.

[5:21:15] Well, Judge, the name list is no list of priority.

[5:21:19] That's right.

[5:21:20] Yeah.

[5:21:21] There's just the night list, there's no priority on those.

[5:21:25] Well, so he's going to choose which one to do first.

[5:21:28] The court.

[5:21:28] I mean, this court should do this.

[5:21:30] I think they passed.

[5:21:31] A special bridge, bridge replacing, if it's part of the offline system, that's your, but

[5:21:36] one of your better opportunities to try to coordinate that with text.au.

[5:21:40] And also, we got Mr. Campo here who can, who can leverage that money to our best advantage

[5:21:46] up in Austin, which we have done in the past.

[5:21:50] Which we have done, and I think...

[5:21:51] Thank you, Mr. Jones.

[5:21:52] I appreciate it.

[5:21:53] And I think that...

[5:21:54] No, I'm serious.

[5:21:56] I'm not a military.

[5:21:57] I don't know.

[5:21:57] I don't know, York.

[5:21:58] I know York.

[5:21:58] I just like to start to quote it.

[5:22:00] I think that's smart money.

[5:22:01] That's a good way to use money.

[5:22:03] Yes, sir.

[5:22:04] You know, it has things ready to build and getting all the software done.

[5:22:08] That's what it is important sometimes, is the hard work.

[5:22:13] Because that gets things built in a timely manner, so that we can maintain that

[5:22:18] that's the best service to our community.

[5:22:21] So, you know what, in fact, these are the ones that are the most important for your

[5:22:24] precincts in countywide.

[5:22:29] So why, again, I'm trying to, I'm trying to think this through.

[5:22:35] Why if the court is comfortable around the figure, and I am of this 131-135 figure, what

[5:22:45] Commissioner Jones and Commissioner Wisnet and staff presented to the court as a starting point today.

[5:22:51] And what I'm describing as the yellow boxes.

[5:22:55] The blow of the line with the exception of the general generalised buckets of drainage,

[5:23:04] I can buy conservation, bridge replacement.

[5:23:07] Yeah.

[5:23:07] With the exception of that and with the exception of some of the modifications that have been made,

[5:23:13] For example, like the modification, I asked the court to consider of a set of limiting

[5:23:19] center point, two of my smaller scope and adding a cardee on that scope, and I believe

[5:23:26] combistering needs to be made some adjustments as well.

[5:23:30] Why wouldn't we name basically this one thirty-one, thirty-two, twenty-two address?

[5:23:41] And I would hope not that would address the very real concern you brought up.

[5:23:45] And I'm not disagreeing with that.

[5:23:48] There's something else I think we ought to think about though.

[5:23:50] If we leave it at the, what was the number before we did that 115, 115 set?

[5:23:54] We still had that last, and there, we don't know, over the, you know, this by and

[5:23:59] I'm next to you, next three years, what text I was going to have available.

[5:24:03] And I don't want to have, but it'd be, I think it'd be advantageous to us if we had the

[5:24:09] 15 million dollars or so that we didn't they if those projects came available over the next three years of this bond

[5:24:15] To be able to protect it to partner with text out on some of these because there's a lot of these

[5:24:19] I know in my precinct there's a lot that are on this list

[5:24:22] That we would would be nice to have been on there, but we couldn't get any if we don't have a partnership with text out at this time

[5:24:29] Beyond beyond what is listed we'd give us more flexibility beyond what is listed in yellow

[5:24:35] And then at 30 to 35, 500 tons a state highway 21 on a south, that's a major project.

[5:24:42] The tech stocks got in the crosshairs, I mean because that's becoming major thoroughfare for

[5:24:49] the techsets. And it's going to need to be improved all the way from 1,23, all the way to 1,23.

[5:24:56] You know, highway 21, you know, techsets ever had funds available for that.

[5:25:04] What would Commissioner Jones's referring to take two seconds? Whether it's Campo at 80-20, or text.new 80-20 safety program, if you created the bucket that was text.partnership, and all of a sudden, money came out of the sky and it came to you and said, well, we've got the 80 percent, do you have your 20? You'd have that flexibility. I think that's what you were suggesting, Commissioner Jones.

[5:25:25] I just don't want to, I would like some flexibilities, but that's what I was trying to get to.

[5:25:29] Don't tire yourself down and paint yourself into a corner.

[5:25:34] But that's easy for me, so right now, because all my projects in the yellow are in the, in the black and the end of the day in the list.

[5:25:43] But that's just the other side. That's something, but you can do, you can do a few different things.

[5:25:49] You can, you can, first and foremost, you can.

[5:25:54] You can have another bond and two,

[5:26:05] you could use what has been identified here and the

[5:26:07] money that you're using here, many have been on the state system as you're negotiating

[5:26:13] with the state and how dollars will be allocated to different types of projects across the

[5:26:21] county.

[5:26:21] But where would you put this that up there?

[5:26:23] Would that be in your open mind, your yellow mind down there?

[5:26:27] Is it a 10 million down there for that big part of that?

[5:26:31] I guess we're, we're, we're, there's no right wrong to this.

[5:26:35] What we're, we're, and, and, and,

[5:26:37] Commissioner Dunes certainly has a high level of the man in many areas,

[5:26:42] but the, I guess what, what I think a strategy I would take judge is basically

[5:26:47] us adopting and identifying the yellow boxes that are better identified here with the modifications

[5:26:56] that have been made as our bond.

[5:27:01] And then if things come up as we discussed and we can address those in different ways,

[5:27:19] I would

[5:27:20] I'd like to ask for some, as we ponder on some less, and that's why I do address some clarification as I look at that list.

[5:27:35] So the line code you just have broken out and half to represent.

[5:27:39] The two precinct boundaries, but really that's 3 million.

[5:27:43] That's what we believe we need to make the improvements that we've committed to make.

[5:27:48] people out on the Hillier Law and Kill Area, so that's good.

[5:27:54] If you win a dollar's win just for a second, not take my commission head off kind of

[5:27:59] from more of a regional head on.

[5:28:02] The 21, as you mentioned, Commissioner, that there's a representative directly by you

[5:28:08] and Commissioner Eonsby, the $3.5 million dollars, more

[5:28:20] and more work needs to be done there.

[5:28:24] What are we hoping to accomplish with the three and a half that is an important

[5:28:31] court or to the entire county, to the region to be frank with you?

[5:28:36] Our original estimate commissioner from the answer there for that.

[5:28:39] I could, was around $4,4 million for right away and we couldn't figure out how to do that.

[5:28:44] So in the meeting that Commissioner Jones and Commissioner Wiesenton, I had with text

[5:28:48] thought we talked about protective purchases that is text out against the start working on

[5:28:54] 21, subdivision shows up, we know we need 250 feet of right away, you have some money

[5:29:00] to go buy it.

[5:29:01] So it would be kind of pre-need for the more protective purchase because it's not.

[5:29:05] You need, like I said, between, I think it was 15 million we had lower 12 or 15 for all

[5:29:09] of 21, right away.

[5:29:11] Did they give you, they've been the district, did the district give you the indication that

[5:29:15] would perhaps be willing to, in house work on, to begin work on an environmental document?

[5:29:23] Well, they, they have a project underway right now to build a super-two in some areas, actually,

[5:29:28] add some passing lanes and some things like that, so they're starting those, which are,

[5:29:32] I mean, maybe it's safety issues.

[5:29:33] That's coming out of the Bastrop, all this is something that part of it is within the

[5:29:36] Bastrop district.

[5:29:38] But eventually, the answer is yes, they know that's on there, that's on there to do list.

[5:29:47] I think it's essential, we protect that award.

[5:29:52] Now we are all loads of transportation, frankly, from Sam Marcus to Travis County.

[5:29:57] The 183-80-183.

[5:30:00] And this was a testimony today of people wanting us to concentrate on the eastern side of county. Making that a safe order for you. And let me tell you something, when 35 is blocked. Two things take place one day all the way down line killed or they go down 21.

[5:30:22] And not going far.

[5:30:24] Think it down dog because you know when you meet

[5:30:26] you need custer.

[5:30:26] I don't know the days.

[5:30:29] Well twenty one also a commissioner

[5:30:31] Johnny's original head offers a great opportunity

[5:30:33] for something other than just cars.

[5:30:36] It's like opportunity long term for transit.

[5:30:41] Ok.

[5:30:43] So have we, have we, have we fought and

[5:30:48] Consider teasing out some of the safety money into more of the detailed description, or we come to go where that is.

[5:30:59] What do you have in mind?

[5:31:05] Turn my turn lanes and yes or yes or yes or yes or yes.

[5:31:09] Well, my thought about that the light out of the list is as long as it's a county wide, I think it provides a small opportunity.

[5:31:18] It's roughly going to be 7% or 8% of what the total of what we're considered.

[5:31:27] We do have the 22 and a half million that is generally, but those are categories that we all

[5:31:35] can identify.

[5:31:36] I know I can present for some need for that.

[5:31:39] I think the most recent happenings in 2015 showed a lot of need for attention to our lower

[5:31:47] crossings and those types of safety considerations, so, and that may be low water crossing

[5:31:53] indicators, I mean, it's a safety addition. If you can't rebuild it, you can't get

[5:31:59] an envelope program where we need to get it protected towards the safer for the system.

[5:32:05] Have y'all spoken to the school districts about their future plans and how they impact the

[5:32:10] we have. Judge, I have talked to the dripping springs and I'm a school district and that's

[5:32:16] the reason the Darden Hill widening is something that's pretty top on my list because

[5:32:21] there's a guy with the transportation board we're going to have to make some improvements to

[5:32:27] one portion of that between the next year because the opening of the middle elementary school

[5:32:32] soil and rancher it, but across from that same intersection, in the next, the current growth rate

[5:32:40] that we heard from the super intimate sunny evening, they'll be planning to build a second

[5:32:45] high school in Drippick, brings into the school district in July 5th year, and they own 125 acres

[5:32:53] across from the adjacent south. It makes it pretty prominent and along with that, the planning for the

[5:33:02] if it wasn't it was that it's very expensive for us to build a road after they build a

[5:33:09] school. I prefer to coordinate so that we are all saying it's like the jail issue fixing that

[5:33:17] road out there in front of the jail is a critical issue with the developer that projects.

[5:33:22] So let's try to think outside the box and say what are our needs going to be in five

[5:33:26] years called the schools. I mean, because that's all sorts of problems, you know.

[5:33:33] I can only speak for grouping spring and event school history, but I have met with their staff,

[5:33:38] their superintendent, and we've already had discussions about this circumstance, and I've always

[5:33:44] found them generally to be cooperative with planning for that. It worked pretty well with the

[5:33:49] mill elementary school that we had to widen, saw your rent road to accommodate that, and school

[5:33:54] care of it in there in their bond issue so well they see lying there will be finished

[5:34:02] depends well I don't know where will it ever be finished that's two schools out there

[5:34:07] yeah that's what I mean it's just I'm so glad to find me in there you know and then the

[5:34:12] 967 improvements the Commissioner Jones has or accommodate the schools that are already

[5:34:16] there in the new high schools coming out by the bus barn

[5:34:24] well it's important as we go

[5:34:25] alone at this point and make good decisions because we have to live with this.

[5:34:33] I'm proud of all this here.

[5:34:37] This estimate, I understand this estimate to be best

[5:34:41] for the digital future design of a section from the area to 2070 and blind way.

[5:34:52] That would be estimated that would be needed. A lot of that's right away.

[5:34:55] You guys say problem on your mind as well.

[5:34:57] No problem.

[5:34:58] Can we have a look at the comments?

[5:35:02] Can you print that out?

[5:35:22] I'm glad I know you ought to get blind too.

[5:35:34] We've made some assumptions on that project, as Mr. Wisnet talked about. We're hoping to get some of that right away donated.

[5:35:42] So we may not have to spend all eight or nine.

[5:35:44] Well, I suggest that all those submissions that pop on the 21, it's going to increase the value of their property.

[5:35:51] So we should get them to donate as much as we can because it's going to be their best interest to have donation there.

[5:36:00] It's like for schools and that sort of thing. We get them to plan that.

[5:36:05] That's what we're going to do.

[5:36:05] That's what we're going to do. That's what we're going to do.

[5:36:07] Yeah, I think.

[5:36:09] Right. You did that. That darn yellow to this list.

[5:36:14] What do you think the ladies are going to do on this?

[5:36:16] It is.

[5:36:17] You think the ladies are going to let those some money?

[5:36:19] I don't think so, Judge. I think, you know, the last session was,

[5:36:23] Prop 7, which asked, I think they're going to sit back.

[5:36:26] You know, that money starts becoming available in spring of 2018.

[5:36:29] 2018.

[5:36:30] Yeah, so I think they're going to sit back in this conversation, but this is my personal

[5:36:33] opinion.

[5:36:33] They just watch until that money comes in to see if there's really any, you know, of course

[5:36:37] the federal bill passed, like Texas is going to get an extra two to $400 million of

[5:36:43] a federal bill.

[5:36:44] I'd be surprised if we see any of these money, so that's a drop in the book.

[5:36:50] In this bill.

[5:36:51] That's right.

[5:36:52] Coach Colleak just helped me realize that the dormant hill, which I spoke about, is not on

[5:36:57] that way.

[5:36:57] That's right.

[5:36:58] I had to say, we need to get it on our way.

[5:37:04] It's on that second one.

[5:37:06] The one thing here.

[5:37:09] So we need to add that to get it up above the line.

[5:37:12] There it is.

[5:37:13] Top five.

[5:37:14] There's a four right there.

[5:37:17] Above names.

[5:37:18] We had to go down.

[5:37:19] Go down.

[5:37:20] Go down.

[5:37:22] Let's see.

[5:37:22] It's changing.

[5:37:26] It's starting to heal.

[5:37:26] Right at the bottom.

[5:37:32] So what is not in the, what was handed out in the additional discretionary project list, the total about a little of 131 million, what is left, what is left that is not in that list?

[5:37:50] The 10 totem of the 10 transcript, yes, and after him 2,000.

[5:38:03] So why would it we, why wouldn't, I mean, I'm not.

[5:38:08] Why would it I have at least no question, okay, I think?

[5:38:13] I think

[5:38:17] there's less confusion.

[5:38:23] If you moved us up and then put $10 million in safety mobility.

[5:38:31] I mean it would be a bucket as the other buckets are, so you could

[5:38:35] incite capability would be being with those nice same uh, yes sir, I got you, sir.

[5:38:41] on the board tax line.

[5:38:45] Seizing mobility with tax zone.

[5:38:48] Or the county right.

[5:38:51] R. K.

[5:38:55] So what is the financing?

[5:39:00] About the time, long gets back, with change.

[5:39:04] As a walk in judicial issue, I don't interpret that.

[5:39:07] Would that be the way to it in there just as that we could do that on a county road system?

[5:39:12] I would understand it to be on all two, if you will, the county road system and the state system.

[5:39:24] I would believe you're selected to say, building you can cover either state or county system.

[5:39:28] Personally, that's what I would, you know what I was doing.

[5:39:33] What, uh,

[5:39:46] text up with me to stay. That's what I was talking about.

[5:39:49] Last hot check, everyone.

[5:39:54] What do you say?

[5:39:56] Slash me.

[5:40:00] So, can somebody print that out and we can go through that now that we've heard of it?

[5:40:05] We just want to print. Okay. Thank you.

[5:40:08] Janice, would you tell mom to look at the numbers?

[5:40:10] The numbers aren't the same, Mom.

[5:40:13] On the right.

[5:40:22] Yeah, it

[5:40:32] all be name. Not this point.

[5:40:41] Well, to use a Christopher Collins holistic order.

[5:40:46] Well, what we need to do is to look at this,

[5:40:49] holistically about what's going to benefit our counter-wad situation.

[5:40:53] So we need to be very careful not to make sure it's all a counter-wad.

[5:40:56] So we need to be very careful not to make sure it's all a counter-wad.

[5:40:58] So we need to keep the whole thing in the morning.

[5:40:59] So we need to keep the whole thing in the morning.

[5:41:05] That's where we can leverage the money.

[5:41:07] That's the money.

[5:41:08] That's what my body figure is.

[5:41:09] The less you ride down there, the less restrictive you're going to be.

[5:41:13] And if you see that, things will change.

[5:41:17] No one has growth occurs or is it going to change?

[5:41:28] So, as councilor, as it's written, or I know we're not on that core exactly yet, but as

[5:41:37] we're talking to this as

[5:41:44] this is proposed in judgment perhaps now would be a time to pull

[5:41:50] up bottom 24s well so we would that be appropriate to pull up the out-of-mouth.

[5:41:59] Sure, we're talking about pull-of-bond pack, we're likely going to need to bravely

[5:42:07] table at item, you could open it for a time, but I think Julie Houston, everyone have to

[5:42:12] go away and shop in the pencil on the draft before the court can vote on it. So you can open

[5:42:22] it now and then we can just table the item and you can start your budget workshop while

[5:42:27] we work on it and we can come back after or yeah. And we could recess until tomorrow if we

[5:42:34] to. Yeah, because it's at this session, we continue to have a continuous session.

[5:42:42] That's enough of breakfast. We're here at the Courts Pledge.

[5:42:47] And see understand this for the public that we are under a time situation.

[5:42:53] This means the last court session, you can actually call the election of the law.

[5:43:01] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[5:43:02] I'm going to go.

[5:43:02] Dean.

[5:43:03] Did you get that?

[5:43:04] Sorry, no.

[5:43:05] Okay, she's gone.

[5:43:06] She's got that up there.

[5:43:07] How was the album?

[5:43:08] Yeah.

[5:43:08] Lone up.

[5:43:09] They got it.

[5:43:10] I heard her and her and her and her.

[5:43:14] Yeah, he's been through business about 13 million.

[5:43:21] I'm sorry.

[5:43:22] Say, you're alive.

[5:43:26] There we can follow what it takes to recycle all this.

[5:43:30] The top signal with the peak on it.

[5:43:41] Okay, you want to table this and let you go.

[5:43:44] No, no, we haven't even opened the item yet, but I'm saying that.

[5:43:48] We'll let them go.

[5:43:49] Well, you can discuss the draft that you have in front of you now.

[5:43:55] We can talk about whether and how much you'd like to name specifically in the proposition language.

[5:44:00] I think there's a legal, you're supposed to keep us at a trouble to make sure that we've

[5:44:05] listed it and listed it because there's two parts of it, there's the ballot itself

[5:44:10] and then there's the explanation to the proposition.

[5:44:13] Correct.

[5:44:14] Either method would be legal.

[5:44:18] There are obviously some high points and low points to either method.

[5:44:23] And it might be worth discussing before Julie and I go away and work on writing it up.

[5:44:33] So it's just real.

[5:44:34] So if we are constantly resessing and I'd like to know because I have to kind of

[5:44:39] sort of doctor a point and I'm not.

[5:44:42] It's doctor cold.

[5:44:43] It's just like you take your ass for you.

[5:44:46] So that's why we take her.

[5:44:48] That's why we take her.

[5:44:48] I just want to know where we approach her.

[5:44:51] I think we can get it done if we just all agree to stay a little later than we should.

[5:44:56] Either way, it's fine.

[5:44:57] I'm a wicked texture.

[5:44:58] I'm a wicked texture.

[5:45:00] Let's say. I can stay here all night. This is a, we can take a break. We can take a break. We can take a break and we can take a break. We can take a break and we can take a break. We can really, we can really, I do it. Frankly, I do it every day here. We can, we can, and we can not, we could not disap before clock strikes midnight, united easily. A lot sooner, I believe. So, well, we'll be all right. I don't think that's good, sir.

[5:45:26] By the way, it's fine with me.

[5:45:28] Okay, so let's keep moving forward now.

[5:45:33] What's the next step, Casord?

[5:45:35] I would suggest if the workshop is over in a sense,

[5:45:38] that it is that we go ahead and open the next item.

[5:45:42] Well, along the second before you close the workshop,

[5:45:44] it doesn't mean say we decided to change something

[5:45:46] unless we still do that, right?

[5:45:48] Well, we're just going to change it.

[5:45:49] Well, why don't you just, you can always re-open the workshop.

[5:45:52] We're going to close this here.

[5:45:53] Let's close it for now.

[5:45:56] And let's get up.

[5:45:58] I think we added it.

[5:46:00] That's out of number 25.

[5:46:02] We're going to put it on the table.

[5:46:06] And we'll pick it up again after we do the other.

[5:46:08] If we need to.

[5:46:10] Okay.

[5:46:10] Here it is.

[5:46:11] Number 23.

[5:46:14] Discussion possible action to prove an order by the Commission's Court of Hayes County Texas.

[5:46:18] Calling a bond election to be held in Hayes County Texas.

[5:46:21] Making provisions for the conduct of the election.

[5:46:24] Thanking provision for the conduct of a joint election with various political subdivisions,

[5:46:29] resolving other matters incident and related to such election.

[5:46:32] Work shop items, 2425 and 26 will be held prior to the opening of this item.

[5:46:38] You follow that, that's posted, so now it is open, so now that you and Julie need to go away and

[5:46:44] no, commiserate or what do you know, we would like to hear a feedback report on some of these issues we've already been touching on.

[5:46:51] but you have on the dice, I don't 23, back up, yeah, and item that is draft, I have since

[5:47:03] providing you with backup plugged in the number we got from the criminal justice and public

[5:47:21] There were 106 million 400,000 correct.

[5:47:26] Since the time was?

[5:47:28] Yeah.

[5:47:29] Other than that, I believe Proposition 1 has drafted would stay more or less the same.

[5:47:34] Unless the court has feedback.

[5:47:37] And this was just to be cleared because there's two pieces of this which pieces in the booth

[5:47:45] when you're voting in which pieces part of the ballot of the legal.

[5:47:51] Well, for and against over here, so the proposition language, this is the long language you're looking at this would be available, but not on the ballot, you go to page 3, you'll see the official ballot language, which of course looks the same and I've plugged in the same number under Proposition number one.

[5:48:18] the longer proposition line, which is used to go to the legal processes of the internal

[5:48:29] office.

[5:48:31] That's what the language of women voters will put in the newspaper is this proposition.

[5:48:37] Typically the long line, which is the long addition.

[5:48:39] And this is available for voters to have to hold in place.

[5:48:42] As a follows and prior to the following places as well.

[5:48:45] In addition, as I referenced, the county may throw some materials on the county website, may decide to disseminate

[5:48:57] factual information about this, so the voters informed, and I don't think any of that's decided yet until, of course,

[5:49:05] there's a call for election by the court in first place, but that's something that we'll follow.

[5:49:09] What I was thinking of asking is that the bond package for the jail, the law enforcement and the number of ones that are be separated.

[5:49:18] But they're really continuous, continuous, continuous ways to the one or another.

[5:49:21] So if you do one and don't do the others, you miss the point.

[5:49:25] And so I think that that should be one bond package in my mind.

[5:49:30] Yes, that's how we're proposing it.

[5:49:32] Okay.

[5:49:33] I agree.

[5:49:38] So, that really takes us to, unless you have more feedback and takes us to propose it.

[5:49:43] Well, I want to start with the, what is limiting, legally limiting and restricting the county.

[5:49:57] It is this longer.

[5:50:01] More detailed description of the bond proposition that is the real legally binding pieces of that, not necessarily what is on the ballot, right?

[5:50:11] Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[5:50:12] The proposition is the basis for the ballot.

[5:50:15] The ballot is an affirmation to the ballot of the proposition, basically.

[5:50:19] So, if you really want to know what the proposition is about, it's like any other proposition.

[5:50:23] Now, you'd be the big legs, but I

[5:50:31] have a real problem with tricky ballots where a yes is

[5:50:36] of no one or no as a yes, so we need to make it as clear as possible.

[5:50:41] But people are voting on, and they know that it's going to be under proposition 2, Judge

[5:50:48] I always, as opposed to a no or a negative, I only see a classification or a, or, how do you say an exclusion?

[5:50:58] And that was that one particular portion of roadway that we know needs considerable more study.

[5:51:05] Yeah.

[5:51:05] Public input?

[5:51:06] Yeah.

[5:51:09] Well, it's critical that we have certain things in there.

[5:51:13] We do the tell the voter what we're going to spend the money for.

[5:51:15] agree?

[5:51:19] And I think that legally by doing this we are entitled to sell them entrances so

[5:51:26] we don't sell all the bonds at one time that's just so given.

[5:51:30] Councilor I, I'm sorry Judge.

[5:51:33] I have a fine to go.

[5:51:34] I'm in court, more importantly, I'm comfortable with the way proposition one is proposed

[5:51:45] it seems to be cleared directly on and covers the all the different projects that we have

[5:51:56] identified through our task force on 3% of the number was 106 or 4 correct 106 million

[5:52:06] $400,000.

[5:52:10] So as we go to propositions, too,

[5:52:14] you'll be the tricky one.

[5:52:16] Proposition, too.

[5:52:19] And we talked about 133 million, is that right?

[5:52:23] What was it total about?

[5:52:25] $33,5.

[5:52:29] $33,5.

[5:52:31] OK, $13,5.

[5:52:34] So maybe this, maybe this helps.

[5:52:37] So, I think it's very important for us to be specific on

[5:52:45] proposition two, what's legally

[5:52:47] binding us, and describing what we're doing and what we're not doing.

[5:52:57] And then,

[5:53:01] for example, on the ballot language, I don't think that is that important to say

[5:53:10] making something up, we can't have added capacity on retro to 12 from the junction to 12 and 150, for example.

[5:53:21] I don't think that's really important on proposition to ballot language.

[5:53:24] What I think I would like us to try to do is the best of our ability on proposition number to ballot language is

[5:53:35] And then the legal piece of proposition is to identify and try to reflect our lists to the best of our ability.

[5:53:48] Because I always, this is going to embarrass her.

[5:53:53] I always try to use my wife and my mother and father and family as a good measure of stuff.

[5:53:58] You always try to use that too.

[5:54:00] Yeah, yeah.

[5:54:01] Oh, come and touch.

[5:54:03] The, um,

[5:54:07] my wife, for example, she drops off my, she's going to be dropping off my daughter

[5:54:10] on 23, 25, uh, Fisher area, uh, starting this September because of the jacket as well.

[5:54:18] So Metro Spoon.

[5:54:19] Yes.

[5:54:20] Well, yes.

[5:54:20] She's getting that old touch position on.

[5:54:23] I mean, you're getting really old.

[5:54:24] Right.

[5:54:25] The, I want her and people like her to, when they go into the public location, I want them to know that, hey, yeah, that's something that's important to me as something I use every day and that's something that's a problem particularly during their school drop-off is that area.

[5:54:48] And from my mother, she goes, she goes to Sam's all the time, okay, from where she lives,

[5:54:56] from Will Creek, McCarty, Rode, Improvements, pretty important, so my like my mother.

[5:55:00] The other who does the stage during the target academy, JC Penny, Sam's area of St. Markets, as far as she drives anywhere.

[5:55:11] So again, not to embarrassed my own family members, but that is, you know, she's going to the box.

[5:55:18] She's going to the party in space and preservation. That's important.

[5:55:21] it never comes. That's there. And of course, I'm speaking using these examples. It's important

[5:55:27] to a lot of people we all represent in different ways. I think that's important to try to

[5:55:32] try to list that as much what they know that that's there because nobody understands all the

[5:55:36] stuff that you're talking about. And all the things out there and all the educational pieces,

[5:55:42] all the outreach that we do, all the public meetings that we do, everything. Let's face it. We've

[5:55:47] done this for a long time, been all for a long time. You are still catching a small fraction

[5:55:54] of the voting public when you're going out with those programs in those series.

[5:56:03] So what you're saying is you want to thank the person who doesn't have a better investment interest

[5:56:08] than that. That's one way of putting it just, but I want it to be clear that they understand what they're voting on.

[5:56:15] So I think it's realistic to put the bro who says we listed all here in that what's on the voting ballot.

[5:56:27] Now you don't have to put all the restricted blame.

[5:56:29] Where that really means something is going to happen.

[5:56:32] Show them what we're going to do.

[5:56:34] I don't think you can do that.

[5:56:35] You can't put it down.

[5:56:36] A fortune.

[5:56:37] Well, I think you put it somewhere where they can see it.

[5:56:41] In your case of fortune.

[5:56:42] But what I'm talking about, Judge, is a matter of what we do in education, we're still

[5:56:49] only going to catch a crisis of, we'll be, we would be lucky to catch up

[5:56:53] of majority of the population with that.

[5:56:57] I will person who is going into the box to vote for President United States to be able

[5:57:07] without seeing any of our educational pieces.

[5:57:11] To be able to intelligently look at Proposition 2 as Proposition 1 is written pretty simple, pretty straight forward.

[5:57:23] If I go for this, I'm going to, we're going to get a co-located 911 emergency center,

[5:57:29] a wall portion center, a train facility, an interlocal facility.

[5:57:34] That's pretty, that's pretty benevolent, I mean that's a complicated project, but that's pretty straight forward.

[5:57:38] So I can understand whether they believe there's a need for that or not.

[5:57:44] I'd like to prop to to be the same thing.

[5:57:46] That governor who's the overwhelming amount of others going into the box, going to both

[5:57:51] the president, going to both groups, maybe some local candidates that they know and believe

[5:57:57] them, can walk in, see these propositions and go, yeah, if I vote for this, I'm voting

[5:58:05] for these, these road improvements and that makes people can understand that, people can relate

[5:58:13] to that. I drive to an undiary date, that's going to be on the Rommol 2325, Rommol

[5:58:19] 2225, Rommol in 1967, those safety improvements, Rommol in this road, this is part of my day of

[5:58:26] luck, is what I need to do. I think it's a good idea considering the level of death accounting

[5:58:31] will be hidden. Let me make that decision as a boat. That's what we're asking them to do.

[5:58:35] We're asking them to make that decision and that's a lot of it's important that we listen to much as possible so that they understand

[5:58:43] But what they're what they're voting for again, we don't need all the restrictive language because we can capture about this

[5:58:50] They saw their stuff

[5:58:53] That's just

[5:58:54] One opinion, but at the court agrees we can ask Julie and Martin. I'm start working

[5:58:58] Something won't so there's someone who writes a week later devotional goes out worldwide

[5:59:03] I can tell you that the average American reason between the fifth and the seventh grade level,

[5:59:10] the polysyllabic words are an affella to most people, and they won't look them up,

[5:59:15] they've just assumed that they don't, you're trying to add something.

[5:59:20] So the language has to be a very clear.

[5:59:24] I've really said, and that's our job and our duty is playing over trying to do.

[5:59:32] I think I tend to agree with Commissioner Colleen generally because I think all the efforts

[5:59:38] we're making here this afternoon is absolutely toward public transparency and I think we're

[5:59:43] hoping that by doing things like about scripture, the information we're going to put out,

[5:59:50] a consolidated or comprehensive list are the things we need to help people understand what they're

[5:59:55] voting for it. And to understand that.

[6:00:00] This is a long way from a wish list. It's really a list of needs and in the day of it, then it has helped us identify.

[6:00:09] A lot of things we've been, I haven't spent recently, unfortunately, by probably a 70% majority of the projects in pre-sync four of what I've talked directly with citizens about and including.

[6:00:26] So I would like that to be on, just to my suggestion, I would like that to be on the proposition

[6:00:35] too, language that would be in the ballot box where people can see this list that has been made,

[6:00:42] and it doesn't seem to be overwhelming and overbearing so they fully understand what they're voting on.

[6:00:50] Second,

[6:00:53] I would like to restrict the use of these dollars.

[6:01:00] Commissioner Jones, I know, and this is your precinct, so it's not appropriate for me.

[6:01:05] The FM150, what is listed on here as as realignment to FM150 from my 35 variant to FM150 at FM3237.

[6:01:17] You have to go down below. I'm sorry for the limitation you have to go down below.

[6:01:23] Yeah, I know a whole lot's like a mark. I'm looking at the list.

[6:01:26] So I know what the intentions of the county is. The intentions of the county has been described

[6:01:32] by the commissioners and through our planning efforts is for us to preserve a court

[6:01:37] work from Yerington on I-35 to 2770 and to also have design work in there to run parallel

[6:01:48] to an environmental document in which the state is, that's a present.

[6:01:53] It is doing right.

[6:01:56] It is further our intention to, at this point time, the bus of our building within this budget,

[6:02:04] to add shoulders and safety improvements from 2777 to 3237 on this list.

[6:02:17] Okay, so why are we continuing to go down 32 to 3237?

[6:02:23] It's in the bond language, currently.

[6:02:25] I guess that's your point, right?

[6:02:27] I just want all this to be clear and everybody be on the same page of exactly what we're

[6:02:31] I'm trying to accomplish it.

[6:02:34] Let me state my understanding and maybe that's where we can get

[6:02:38] clarity.

[6:02:39] My understanding was that there would be a real

[6:02:43] element of FN-150 between I-35 at Yorrenton and 2770.

[6:02:51] We connect back to current FN-150 and that there would be

[6:02:57] some safety improvements between that point or at intersex

[6:03:01] And the intersection of 3237 and current F and 150. So that's that's close one

[6:03:07] But the real climate study has always been stated as from the Interstate 35 at York in two

[6:03:13] Royals home if in 150 at or beyond a Royale ranch is the way I think what he's trying to do is

[6:03:21] I think what Mark tried to do was combine two sets of projects and one limit all and maybe I didn't get the money that is the projects combined

[6:03:30] There's a little bit of money in there for the two intersections.

[6:03:33] Well, you're going to so work that out for you, commissioners.

[6:03:36] To go to the precincts and sell the program, that's what they have told us, they need.

[6:03:44] And then we have to think, what if it doesn't pass?

[6:03:48] We still have the same problems that we've got right now.

[6:03:52] Now, let me give you some good statistics.

[6:04:03] If you would, if you would, if you'd give me the opportunity to go back to the specifics of this because it's important.

[6:04:13] The county at this point time has no interest in, for example, in purchasing right away from 2770 to 3237 on F150.

[6:04:21] The only thing we were looking at, it's not on this, it's not on this, it did not make the

[6:04:24] name list was to do shoulders and turn lights where needed.

[6:04:28] It's on future projects, but it's not on this model package.

[6:04:33] So, but as written right now, as described here, and as written, that would be a possibility.

[6:04:43] And that's what I'm trying to tighten up, and make sure, now, Commissioner, if you believe

[6:04:51] which I agree to.

[6:04:54] It's a shoulder shoulder need to be put on that section and one for example.

[6:04:58] That's what we're hoping for.

[6:05:00] We hope the state says we need to do that. If you all can do the engineering exam, we've got that 10 million dollar with that might be something that we use for that.

[6:05:07] But we don't, we want to restrict ourselves to any type of expansion for right away.

[6:05:14] We can buy the right away for a candidate safely, but we don't, you understand what I'm trying to get on.

[6:05:21] You can say where it doesn't increase capacity.

[6:05:24] So that language can be put in the proposition.

[6:05:27] Well, let's hear from Laura, she has a comment on this, though.

[6:05:30] I think it's important.

[6:05:31] It's just wanted to clarify on the 3237 because of the average road is west of 2770.

[6:05:39] We have to call that realignment back to 3237 when we do that document, even though we don't

[6:05:45] have intentions of improving in that document with the realignment from 3237 to where we

[6:05:51] can decide on.

[6:05:52] In which document are we referencing Laura?

[6:05:55] Well, in the realignment project, so when we put plans together, we'll have to...

[6:06:00] We talked about design here, whereas we put it in the design place.

[6:06:05] So, so...

[6:06:06] So, the CSJ is right now in the partnership program for the realignment, including all the way to 3237, even though...

[6:06:14] So, why wouldn't we...

[6:06:16] So, we can get down to describe that, though, as a Royal...

[6:06:20] What's the real deal?

[6:06:22] As a lawyer, and in limit that, she makes it very good point, but one of the environmental

[6:06:28] documents are part of this bond problem.

[6:06:31] But if we are going to work on design, she's saying, putting the layman's turn doesn't make

[6:06:36] sense.

[6:06:37] Stop the 20 cents, you've got to tie in, so anything West, we're exactly trying to remember.

[6:06:45] probably just what about mild further down the road.

[6:06:52] So what if we stopped, we made a description of the stop there.

[6:06:58] Again, we want to take any concerns that the county can take money from this bond.

[6:07:06] and expand west of the Royal Ranch up 1.50 to 3.37 into a formal and divided possible.

[6:07:15] I don't understand, just like can't increase that capacity.

[6:07:20] Yes, yes, we're saying the same thing.

[6:07:22] I want our lawyers to work on the best way to do that,

[6:07:25] but I want to make sure we're all on the same page.

[6:07:28] And it's important that we get that clear.

[6:07:35] And then I would like the same type of language to apply to

[6:07:39] 337 to 150 and 12.

[6:07:42] And I would like the same language applied to 32 and

[6:07:46] 12, the junction all the way on Rancho 12 to 250 in Rancho 12 and on Ethon 0.325 and 1337 not limiting

[6:08:02] us to safety improvements but to expansion. I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend about

[6:08:07] this. I can draw it for you if it helped.

[6:08:10] in my health actually.

[6:08:12] We got a board.

[6:08:15] So, what are you wanting to not name?

[6:08:20] Can you slow down a little bit?

[6:08:22] Can we recess judge where I can get this clear with our council

[6:08:25] where they can understand.

[6:08:26] Their lawyers do not transfer.

[6:08:28] They need a clarification.

[6:08:29] Because the reason why you build roads and expand roads

[6:08:32] is to increase capacity.

[6:08:35] Because the capacity is already there.

[6:08:36] I mean, well, need is already there.

[6:08:38] I'm trying, what are you trying to avoid saying?

[6:08:42] We don't, we want to make it clear that we're not, we're having through it with a four-line, and then provide it halfway through there.

[6:08:48] I'm not expecting that.

[6:08:50] We're not in our fifth week.

[6:08:52] I think that there needs to be some clarity.

[6:08:54] But you could save money, say you saved $20 million.

[6:08:58] Judge, you could do that.

[6:09:00] Sure.

[6:09:01] You can't consider.

[6:09:02] That's not acceptable.

[6:09:03] That's not acceptable right now because we haven't gone through the proper processes in that part of the county.

[6:09:08] to give ourselves or anybody else a level of comfort with that.

[6:09:12] That's what we're trying to accomplish, Doug.

[6:09:15] I understand.

[6:09:17] So, this is my, and I think, Commissioner Colleen, to some extent, Commissioner Jones.

[6:09:21] What we're saying is that the quarter study is the study where we're going to be able to have

[6:09:26] the ability to have the public end for it, have the time and the ability to talk about that

[6:09:31] quarter, even the consideration of all of that route, but we're not in the point that I feel

[6:09:36] you know, specified bond line for that. That's no.

[6:09:42] That's not a question.

[6:09:43] Mr. Weaver Mike, I don't know what I've ever raised,

[6:09:46] but generally the bond package we're looking at here,

[6:09:49] this basically 130 million really,

[6:09:52] it hasn't a lot shorter.

[6:09:54] I guess you'd say planning horizon them what the 300

[6:09:57] or so that we're really starting with.

[6:10:00] This is probably a three or four year program.

[6:10:03] That's the point I want to make sure people might. We're not trying to get out of the future.

[6:10:07] We're trying to take care of things that are going to be necessary.

[6:10:11] We're trying to get to back to creating water.

[6:10:13] Preservation needs.

[6:10:15] And some of those needs are preservation of roadway, because if we don't preserve it,

[6:10:21] then they're not able to afford $12 to $24.

[6:10:23] That might not be there.

[6:10:24] So, if it's okay with Mr. Jones besides that section from Arroy R2 to 3237, this is directly

[6:10:36] in Mr. Jones, appreciate the rest of what we're talking about as I'm pressing 3 and

[6:10:40] pressing 4 with your permission commissioner. I'd like to recess with Council, what Commissioner

[6:10:45] Wissant and I can clearly point out what we're trying to do and accomplish so that they can

[6:10:51] understand it clearly enough to write the language that that and do the work that they need to do and bring back to this course

[6:10:58] So it can be described clearly. Is that okay commissioner? I'm good judge. Thank you. For how long you want?

[6:11:05] Week 10 days

[6:11:07] I think I lost all the two. I think 15 20 minutes before. Okay. Thank

[6:11:17] you.

[6:11:22] When we came back from executive sessions, I neglected to have a lot of number 28, the results

[6:11:28] of that executive session was a motion by Mr. Jones.

[6:11:32] Please continue that now.

[6:11:33] Thank you, Judge.

[6:11:34] I make a motion to authorize the county judge,

[6:11:36] to execute a purchase sale agreement between Hayes County and T.M.

[6:11:40] J.S. Buda LLC.

[6:11:42] Related to the purchase of parts of six on Robert S. Light Boulevard,

[6:11:46] as presented in the next executive session.

[6:11:48] Stecker motion in May of 2nd and further discussion

[6:11:53] Not please call roll on item number 28

[6:12:00] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't remember 32

[6:12:06] Discussed of issues related to the Hayes County jail. We've done that at Nazim and the planning of projects

[6:12:11] pertinent change of the public safety facilities needs within the county that was opened as a separate item

[6:12:17] It's now closed, we've had an report from our engineers with the bond project, and that

[6:12:26] is now closed.

[6:12:28] Number 33, I lived as a burn band, you know, that where yesterday I asked the court,

[6:12:35] ratified my lifting of the burn band yesterday, today's drought index is 326, well below,

[6:12:45] We cautioned everyone to continue to use common sense and outdoor burning.

[6:12:51] Please pattern not starting to fire that doors for large because our fire trucks will get stuck

[6:12:59] in the mud in very hard-on fire trucks, so if you would make a motion to ratify, I would

[6:13:07] appreciate it.

[6:13:08] Thank you.

[6:13:09] most of the second or ratified burn band being lifted yesterday

[6:13:12] please call roll.

[6:13:14] Mr. King, is there any? Yes.

[6:13:15] Mr. President? Yes.

[6:13:17] Mr. Chairman? Yes.

[6:13:18] Judge Com. Yes.

[6:13:20] Okay. Now, the last thing we have to do, let me inform the clerk that item number 17 has been pulled.

[6:13:31] Item number 18 has been pulled.

[6:13:39] Number 27, the budget workshop has been postponed until 823, 2017, no loop posted time for the

[6:13:48] budget hearing of participants who have been notified and have been rescheduled for next week.

[6:13:54] George, you said, you're 23, 17.

[6:13:56] You're 17, yeah?

[6:13:58] That's the door.

[6:13:59] Oh, oh, okay.

[6:14:00] 8, 20, 3, 17, it's next.

[6:14:04] Today's the 6th day.

[6:14:06] No, but it's 2016.

[6:14:08] I'm 27.

[6:14:09] I'm just hoping.

[6:14:12] I'm just hoping.

[6:14:12] If you're right down, you're at least like it today.

[6:14:17] I'm living in the deep back.

[6:14:18] You're in the deep back.

[6:14:21] I'm going to swarn us, you know.

[6:14:24] It's the same like it's 2017.

[6:14:27] You know what your mother told you to just not write the swars.

[6:14:33] Okay, we can get our commissioner coming back in here.

[6:15:02] Okay, so let's turn off the camera. Okay, we're back. What we've been doing is spending time on the proposition for the bond issuance.

[6:15:15] I assume that everybody is copesthetic with the wage written.

[6:15:21] Well, I just handed it out judge and let me just go over in concept, at least if you would,

[6:15:33] while we're trying to accomplish here.

[6:15:37] I've pulled in in proposition number two, the current number as I understand it.

[6:15:44] At one thirty one four hundred.

[6:15:45] And it

[6:15:48] has a number of things that the court could do in support of

[6:15:59] a project.

[6:16:01] And that includes environmental mitigation, pedestrian walkways, and bicycle transportation

[6:16:08] improvements, drainage improvements, lower water crossings.

[6:16:16] That is not described specifically in the language and called out on its own.

[6:16:22] Now, the court, four or two of those three,

[6:16:26] could I think appropriate call them out.

[6:16:31] And therefore, on day one, after issues,

[6:16:36] use bucket money on a project that's not named.

[6:16:41] And that's something that this labor still

[6:16:43] does not include but could.

[6:16:45] That's the only thing I think that we might

[6:16:46] be missing that the court might desire.

[6:16:53] So we have specifically named every project that you had on your master list that was on the, yes, that, that equals, and at least I believe we have specifically named what we want to accomplish on all of the projects that were called out for a 1, 31, 4,

[6:17:15] You also have the buckets that's 22.5 million for drainage of water crossings, environmental mitigation, and hiking bike.

[6:17:31] You also have 10 million identified for safety mobility match.

[6:17:39] If you wanted to do under that first bucket that is 22.5 million, if you wanted to, for instance,

[6:17:50] make a high-convite trail improvement that is associated with the roadway.

[6:17:56] It's still, it cannot be a park project.

[6:18:00] It would have to be a transportation project.

[6:18:02] It would have to be associated with a road that the county has authority to make improvements on.

[6:18:07] county roads, county road connectors, state roads. But is not one of the roads that's called out here,

[6:18:16] then you would want to say specifically

[6:18:21] that this bucket is named as a project in and of itself.

[6:18:27] So,

[6:18:29] may I give a direct example? Yeah. So, if the county wanted to assist

[6:18:38] the city

[6:18:43] of Wimbley

[6:18:46] in complete the high combined trail that we started collectively with

[6:18:54] citywood Creek or citywimbley on. When it's no parkway, it goes through Blue Hole Park and comes

[6:19:00] out to Old Cal Road there in Wimbley by the cemetery. We wanted to keep going downtown and make that

[6:19:07] out in retro 12, back to Wintersville Parkway as an example, or another example that we wanted

[6:19:15] to try to build a five pedestrian trail from 12 and 2325 to the high school on 2325 with

[6:19:27] those projects qualify. And the way we have this proposition currently written,

[6:19:37] you understand what

[6:19:38] I do.

[6:19:43] I think you would want to name the Heikenbike bucket as potentially its own project

[6:19:49] in order to achieve that. Now what we've done here, and for a commission of colleagues

[6:19:56] request and let me just refer you back to the

[6:20:00] A language that we have, clerk, Mr. and comments request, we have dictated what we would not do toward the end of the new language on your page 2, which is underlined.

[6:20:10] And we have stated that improvement of the following roadways will be limited to shoulder improvements, turn lanes, pedestrian walkways, and bicycle transportation improvements.

[6:20:23] And then we call certain, certain roadways out.

[6:20:27] I can check this with Julie, but in my opinion,

[6:20:30] if the only unnamed project improvements that you wanted to make

[6:20:34] is one of these projects, then you're probably okay using the

[6:20:40] pedestrian and bicycle bucket because you've called it out and you've named it.

[6:20:44] So I think that's sufficient for the two that you named.

[6:20:48] If you could come up with one that happens to not be in this exclusion list,

[6:20:52] So let's, um, um, what if we, um, wanted to do, uh,

[6:21:04] bike lane on post-rope, or stage coach?

[6:21:09] That I didn't even want to wait until, and this is what we,

[6:21:13] Commissioner Jones, what you and I talked about on the break earlier,

[6:21:17] and I often stayed to my position a little more conservatively than

[6:21:21] And I think that most of it on the court likes that, maybe a little more conservatively than could be interpreted by law.

[6:21:31] I have been reminded by some of the folks listening and they are correct that if all named projects are let and we have sufficient contingency to take care of any unknown factors at that point.

[6:21:52] then you could go to your unnamed projects arguably. In other words, I stated earlier that

[6:22:00] projects should be complete. You don't have to turn the key in the door and close it before

[6:22:05] out before you can go on to unnamed projects. I think Commissioner Jones is the example he had given

[6:22:13] was, well, what if something gets stuck in environmental? Well, the project in that case hasn't been

[6:22:19] yet, and I think you would want to keep waiting because there are too many contingencies to

[6:22:26] account for you. You need to be able to see some light at the end of the tunnel. So for

[6:22:30] your post road, hike and bike, theoretically, let's say. You want all named projects to be

[6:22:39] at that point of being let with contingency so that we can see the light at the end of the

[6:22:49] consider,

[6:22:56] they have up that for different reasons, but it's catching this as well.

[6:23:01] They have been named in the language of the restricted language of how we amended

[6:23:08] prop to address different issues and to clearly describe what can be done on certain

[6:23:15] roadways and non-alternative roadways and in Hase County, predominantly in the central

[6:23:21] Western part, well, all of the Central Western part of Facebook.

[6:23:25] But I think if I'm understanding,

[6:23:27] you can't be correctly, for example,

[6:23:30] Mr. James B, if you have a project on trying to take

[6:23:37] a something that's not made,

[6:23:46] if you want it to build a

[6:23:47] hike to a bike trail or walk sidewalk on a cozy road

[6:23:50] needs, if you will, since it's not made,

[6:23:54] he is saying that we have to where we have to do everything

[6:23:57] in the form you've been able to do a project or a project like that to the court in the

[6:24:05] fourths of perhaps if there's areas in which colleagues believe that they wouldn't have

[6:24:13] that opportunity.

[6:24:15] We can pull the bucket down.

[6:24:17] We can name it right, Maureen.

[6:24:20] Well, you could either name it or just name it as bicycle improvements only or pedestrian

[6:24:27] in a bicycle group improvements only.

[6:24:30] We're borrowing money here to pay back what taxpayer dollars.

[6:24:36] I would like to see this money spend on transportation problems and projects that really

[6:24:40] make a difference for transportation.

[6:24:44] A heightened bike trail has a hard time qualifying in my mind, especially inside a city limit,

[6:24:50] with county bonded dollars. Maybe I'm wrong. But I'd like to have some cooperation and some

[6:25:00] Co-funding, if we're going to do that. I mean, because the county is on the debt for the money and if we really are sincere about doing these projects and that's great, but let's don't promise people things that we can't deliver.

[6:25:17] Well, I didn't hear, I might be wrong, I didn't get that for this description.

[6:25:23] But I can tell you that in reference to the examples that Mr. Connace made, and the June road up as a point,

[6:25:32] I can't think of any of those that we haven't done without considerable consultation to

[6:25:39] particularly cities and areas where the improvements were going to be within their corporate boundaries.

[6:25:44] And most of them have been cooperative efforts.

[6:25:48] And a lot of them are required to be cooperative efforts because of the

[6:25:53] federal planning as well as federal funds that come in with that order.

[6:25:56] Well, Campo has dedicated some money to bike trails.

[6:26:03] There's federal money, judges.

[6:26:05] Customs specifically.

[6:26:06] So, why are we using that money for those projects?

[6:26:10] No one said they can.

[6:26:11] Yeah, and they probably won't, well, if I'm going to touch it, it will be a hybrid of all the spots, to, to, to, to, to, in order to accomplish this, whether it's in college, you know, or, and when I say,

[6:26:22] come beat up, talking, general areas, too, doesn't need to happen in some things city, or play all those areas.

[6:26:28] Will you use these spots I plan with our other jurisdictions, which will put us at a very high opportunity to compete,

[6:26:37] to read your letter for those funds and get our colleagues.

[6:26:40] And your stick should be like names in there.

[6:26:44] Even in the north of winter.

[6:26:46] Yeah.

[6:26:47] Hey, I've done two different projects.

[6:26:50] With Camp O'Gramps and City Fund and Sidewalk.

[6:26:53] Great.

[6:26:54] Yeah.

[6:26:56] So, I just wanted to ask those questions before they had to come up some other time.

[6:27:00] You know, let's get our projects listed.

[6:27:04] Let's get them funded.

[6:27:05] Let's get them.

[6:27:07] And not worry about leftovers until we've got these projects done.

[6:27:12] Yes, sir.

[6:27:12] They're not leftovers that were done with the first one.

[6:27:14] And for example, for example, Mr. Jones.

[6:27:19] Thought it was a good idea to buy the money down 1967, for example.

[6:27:26] I'm not as excited as I've been in a fire, and my power has objected.

[6:27:31] It's pretty much not a pleasure.

[6:27:35] I wouldn't think that would call fire on it.

[6:27:37] Enough of not being put all there.

[6:27:47] Thank you very much, everybody.

[6:27:49] Yes.

[6:27:50] What can I hear?

[6:27:52] I just know this first.

[6:27:53] Thanks on the language that I guess I have a question about.

[6:27:58] Let's see.

[6:28:00] Okay.

[6:28:06] We

[6:28:10] are in proposition too, commissioner.

[6:28:13] Where it starts, it's the very last two words of that 15 sentence.

[6:28:20] It says, why me and right away, preservation to old, best, rough highway.

[6:28:26] And I think we're confunding, that wouldn't be correct.

[6:28:30] would not preserve any right of way of where.

[6:28:33] I didn't know what corridor improvements meant.

[6:28:37] Except that it might be widening in right-of-way preservation.

[6:28:40] Safety improvements, if that's the only section on County Road 266, which is between

[6:28:45] a standpoint road and rapid road that has not been improved.

[6:28:49] We have a lot of families that live on that section of roadway where children walk to the

[6:28:54] school, and so it's just adding shoulders to that section of shoulders.

[6:29:00] It's a side note, and there's so much to shoulders.

[6:29:04] Reconstruction and reconstruction in shoulder work.

[6:29:07] So there's, you know, reconstruction and safety improvements.

[6:29:12] And do you want me to call out the sections of old bass rock highway specifically,

[6:29:17] so that you're placing the limitations on there?

[6:29:20] We could.

[6:29:21] Okay.

[6:29:21] to the Center for Road and Rapper Road.

[6:29:24] Is that a city street or a city road?

[6:29:27] When you start a commission, you know,

[6:29:28] an 18 right way to a conference like all.

[6:29:30] You know, and there is possibly going to be a bit

[6:29:34] development that runs along that section of roadway.

[6:29:38] So we will ask you to give right away to the banks

[6:29:41] and to see if that's why that project has happened.

[6:29:46] OK, and then the next one is continuing on.

[6:29:50] It's a safety improvements and right-of-way preservation to center point road from Hunter Road to Old Bastard Highway.

[6:30:00] Not sure what that is. We didn't have anything on mine or this.

[6:30:04] I originally had to. I originally had to, I aged 35, 100 roads, 35, and Longshell indicated that I should expand from

[6:30:16] 100 road to old master. But that's your precinct. So, if you don't plan on that being done, then we'll pull it back

[6:30:24] 535, I guess?

[6:30:25] Well, there's no funds indicating that on the list, so like, you know.

[6:30:31] Right.

[6:30:32] I think the attention commission was that there are funds available that that would be within the scope of that.

[6:30:41] Well, let's keep in mind that under this notion that we're contracting with the voter here,

[6:30:49] that we shouldn't name a project that we don't have funding

[6:30:54] associated with it in in this month we will have we do have some

[6:30:59] contingency built in we will hopefully have savings but if you don't have it

[6:31:04] plugged in and let's not name it. Well now increasing three there's

[6:31:07] center point growth safety improvements in right or right away

[6:31:10] preservation but that's only 1.5 so I thought that was from I-35 to 100

[6:31:16] That's what I understand that.

[6:31:19] I'll pull that back then.

[6:31:21] Now,

[6:31:23] obviously, that's going to be, you should have a good negotiation with the city of Saint

[6:31:28] Marcus on how to share it.

[6:31:32] But that's the best thing that's not to give me to accomplish the goal.

[6:31:37] And the other thing, the only other thing I would say is that the reason we took that out of the original

[6:31:42] list anyway was because that section of centerpoint road also borders that large piece of property

[6:31:49] that will be developed in the city with a choir right away from that developer.

[6:31:54] So from the hotel, from hotel to 266 and then from 266 to rapper road on.

[6:32:02] That's Minanex as well anyway, all right?

[6:32:05] It is correct, so we should receive all the additional right away.

[6:32:11] So I've pulled it back, I've pulled it back to I-35.

[6:32:18] How does that change with cost-wise?

[6:32:21] It does not.

[6:32:23] It wasn't fun in any way.

[6:32:27] So we're talking about things that should be on here.

[6:32:29] Our funded things.

[6:32:30] Yeah, so we're talking about things that aren't funded.

[6:32:33] I mean we need to make sure this is in the bond packages.

[6:32:36] Or we'll be funding with these ones.

[6:32:37] That's what she just did.

[6:32:38] That's right.

[6:32:39] But she's pulled it back to what was, to the scope of what was budgeted.

[6:32:45] Just to Commissioner, wasn't that I noticed here in the parent medical after US-290, if you

[6:32:53] look a little further down there, sort of a laundry list of state highways and FMs.

[6:32:59] And it lists US-290, and I'm going to say including the intersections of Holder Lane, Martin

[6:33:06] Road, et cetera.

[6:33:07] So I don't want that parenthetical to, let's lead, I voted to believe we're making improvements

[6:33:16] to those roadways, we're making improvements to those intersections.

[6:33:25] So, yeah.

[6:33:26] That's right.

[6:33:28] Including the intersections that have over my intersection, so do we have to perfect this

[6:33:34] language today?

[6:33:37] Is there a leeway of?

[6:33:40] I approve the general concept of the bond package

[6:33:44] at heavy time to edit or to correct because I'm sure

[6:33:48] that there's something wrong with anything that we do.

[6:33:53] You know what I mean?

[6:33:54] Maybe it's something with language change,

[6:33:56] or maybe obviously it won't be the dollar amount change,

[6:33:59] but it maybe there was just a hefty exit stone today.

[6:34:04] The deadline is a quarter.

[6:34:06] I don't think.

[6:34:07] I'm sorry.

[6:34:07] Other than a screwdriver is there.

[6:34:09] Well, right, I think you all may clear what the intent is at this point.

[6:34:16] We have long-shell and Julie Houston are working on the short-form language, the ballot

[6:34:20] language right now, so do you need it approval on this?

[6:34:26] The deadline for calling for an election is the 22nd, which is Monday.

[6:34:32] I think the sentiment of, at least some of you, and I think it's probably a proper sentiment

[6:34:41] was that for the substance of this conversation, we should not have especially called

[6:34:46] session.

[6:34:47] It should be a regular session for the court.

[6:34:49] We've had that today, if the court saw that the posting is says we have to perfect the language

[6:34:58] of the proposition.

[6:35:00] Discussion and Post-Lax to approve an order by the Commissioner's Court of Hays County Texas, calling it bond election, could be held in hays County Texas, making provision for the conduct of the election, making provision for the conduct of a joint election with various political subdivisions, resolving other matters, incident related to such election.

[6:35:20] Well, this thing we're working on here is the order of the Commissioner's Court. It represents the call for the election.

[6:35:26] We have to have it by Monday.

[6:35:28] And the deadline for that is Monday, so we could still post with 72 or

[6:35:33] more hours, notice for Monday,

[6:35:36] or the court can roll over to tomorrow,

[6:35:39] which it can always do under public meetings that go over to the next day.

[6:35:43] As long as it announces before it adjourns.

[6:35:46] The evening motion for this.

[6:35:48] I mean, we need to approve this.

[6:35:51] Either the day or the court.

[6:35:53] It needs to be approved yet.

[6:35:55] for the for to perfect the call for election this this order needs to be in this

[6:36:00] session that's what well no before the deadline before Monday before next Monday

[6:36:05] before end of day one and so we could call a special session Friday and you're getting

[6:36:14] low so it would be okay but you could roll it over to tomorrow yeah but we got a

[6:36:25] And I don't think we're that far away, Judge, we can just focus and concentrate, or we can take

[6:36:29] a day or break, but I think we're, I don't think we're, I don't think we're.

[6:36:33] I think this language is, is everything, and other than the edits that Commissioner Engels

[6:36:39] be, might I don't have any other duty?

[6:36:42] No, I'll have them the change we might record to you as to not.

[6:36:46] Do you, do you all have any objection to the buckets not being called out?

[6:36:52] I'm really referencing the low water crossings bucket.

[6:36:59] We do that in the information we put out.

[6:37:06] Well, the right now, the low water crossings bucket and other than those exceptions,

[6:37:12] listed near the bottom, the pedestrian and bicycle pathways, need to be associated with the name and project.

[6:37:23] As long as you all are okay with that, or are okay, okay, waiting for savings, I'll turn it at least.

[6:37:32] Then we don't need to mess with that language.

[6:37:37] So, I got a quick question when a colleague is looking over.

[6:37:43] If you go down,

[6:37:48] you were says intersections of FM 3237 and on and 12,

[6:37:54] safety improvements to Fisher Store Road.

[6:38:02] FM 2325 needs to be part of that Fisher Store Road

[6:38:06] description. Correct?

[6:38:12] That's how it was described in the... I can put, I can specify,

[6:38:22] safety improvements to Fisher Store Road at RRM 2325? Yes. That's how that,

[6:38:29] Guys, that's how we've drawn it up,

[6:38:39] right?

[6:38:40] I'm going to start talking.

[6:38:42] Tell me about the 150-center screen.

[6:38:46] Lineage will be located.

[6:38:47] That's the switching station.

[6:38:48] Try moving the tracks where the train has for the train's pass.

[6:38:53] Yeah, I blocked all the rear.

[6:38:55] Roadways in the north.

[6:38:58] Out of the city.

[6:39:00] Maybe the sweat won't make so.

[6:39:02] The trains.

[6:39:02] The outer city.

[6:39:03] When they do the switch.

[6:39:04] So if we're matching judge the reason it becomes relevant to the county is that that's a FM 150 that runs well now 150 that comes through

[6:39:17] Yeah, so if if we realize if and when we realign FM 150 that will still be I suppose what we would call business FM 150

[6:39:27] or we would just realign it I'm not sure what it's still be a county road connector

[6:39:34] at least. What it was named or not. So the part that limits what we were talking about on some

[6:39:43] of the roadways in Hayes County as it retains to this point. All the courts continue to

[6:39:50] I would like to read this aloud, but do not include improvements and improvement of the falling

[6:40:25] That's a long stretch.

[6:40:29] That goes from Sam Marcus all the way, almost the dripping springs.

[6:40:36] FM-3237 from RM-12 to FM-150.

[6:40:44] FM-2325 from RM-12 to the County Army.

[6:40:51] On 32 from RM-12 to the County Army.

[6:40:56] So, the only thing that could be done on those roads and relation to this bond with any

[6:41:04] dollars associated with this bond is for children, children, permits, turn lanes, pedestrian

[6:41:14] walkways, and bicycle and transportation improvements.

[6:41:26] I'll go back and work on this language and if we can.

[6:41:37] I think that was exactly what the commissioner is after is to not increase capacity, but there may be some monetary safety improvements that need to be made in certain areas.

[6:41:53] installation, it turned light and deceleration lines, et cetera.

[6:41:57] Well, man, this is a man to gain obviously the reason why we're doing anything

[6:42:01] on a road is to increase the ability of that to carry traffic.

[6:42:06] Well, we're also improving roads for safety.

[6:42:08] Yeah, I got that.

[6:42:09] But what I'm saying is you have to increase the capacity or why do you spend the money?

[6:42:14] Well, I think we've to increase the capacity.

[6:42:17] Yeah, I got all that.

[6:42:18] But why are you saying you're not trying to increase the capacity?

[6:42:21] Well I think we need to capacity many times to prove the safety thing.

[6:42:25] We've always distinguished between safety and mobility that keep people happy, that we're

[6:42:30] not widening the road, or that we're not increasing capacity, because I don't want people

[6:42:34] in their neighborhood.

[6:42:36] I mean, what are we playing this game for?

[6:42:38] It's not a game judge, it's directness and transparency, but exactly what we're going to do

[6:42:45] with these funds and to put that in this proposition, so the people that we represent

[6:42:53] have clarity on exactly how those funds can and cannot be used, and in the roadways that

[6:43:00] were described, I'll just speak for the area that you and I represent, that I'm Commissioner

[6:43:08] of, those types of roadways, the only intention of the state of Texas and the health

[6:43:15] county at this point in time is to make safety improvements of turn lanes,

[6:43:20] deceleration lanes, shoulder improvements, similar to like what 12 looks like

[6:43:25] judge and pedestrian lanes. If they do a different planning process, a different

[6:43:34] bond, a different time, there becomes a need for additional lanes really, then

[6:43:42] we'll go through a process together as a court and as a community to address where and

[6:43:48] when and how those would be addressed, what we're doing judges just saying that we're

[6:43:52] not ready for that and it's not needed frankly. So we're going to keep talking, we're

[6:43:56] going to keep planning and we're going to make sure that people understand clearly that the

[6:44:01] confines of the public in terms of when we've started that process in many areas of the county.

[6:44:11] we've started having that discussion on all of our roadways.

[6:44:16] It's basically county and state and in our...

[6:44:18] It's basically on the past date.

[6:44:20] You want to measure the traffic and say,

[6:44:22] this road can't carry people in the country.

[6:44:25] I'm just trying to get down.

[6:44:26] That's going to get the language right.

[6:44:28] Right. But what you're trying to say to them is,

[6:44:30] we're not yet.

[6:44:32] It's some point we're going to have to do another process

[6:44:35] to determine the next need.

[6:44:36] That's right. So that's right.

[6:44:38] It, if that occurs, I mean, the crystal ball that we have shows that things will continue to change your

[6:44:43] case count.

[6:44:44] If that, if that continues, then those discussions will need to be hot.

[6:44:48] If it's for clarity, you want to make sure to, to the public that we're in a process that

[6:44:54] doesn't stop with this fun fact.

[6:44:56] Oh, gosh, this is the beginning of the process.

[6:44:59] This is what we need to do.

[6:45:00] We need to get us to the next five years or so. But it's sometime in the history of Hayes County, we're going to have to do another slide of how you work, what we need for the next stand of year.

[6:45:12] I'm just speaking, the thing that I'm supposed to say is that particularly the FN-150 quarter

[6:45:18] study, the foresight of this court has already got us in the previous state, and no one

[6:45:24] ever intended to take that to full certain direction and a period that would probably

[6:45:29] less than 15 or 20 years.

[6:45:30] And the point is that these are the immediate roads, but the next thought process is going

[6:45:36] to the 20, 25 years.

[6:45:39] I mean, like 20, 20, 40, 20, 40, 20, 40 play.

[6:45:43] You know, they're looking out to say,

[6:45:45] once you're going to be like in 15 to 20 years,

[6:45:48] and that's what we're going to have to do

[6:45:49] as a county at some point.

[6:45:51] But to get it five, to get us to that point

[6:45:53] and I believe the county's schedule is here.

[6:45:57] When we updated our trespass plan accepted

[6:46:00] as in 2012, that's right.

[6:46:03] 2013.

[6:46:04] So in 2018, well, we were looking at in 2017.

[6:46:07] And then we continue as Commissioner stated to look at different roadways from different parts of the counties in different forms.

[6:46:14] They're all in different forms of bought and planning and everything else.

[6:46:19] I mean, this kind of argument of this either or that you can't walk and chew gum at the same time is just ridiculous.

[6:46:26] I mean, we have many things going on in this county, but many things going on in the region.

[6:46:33] And sometimes those relate, and sometimes they don't relate, and they're not always connected.

[6:46:41] Sometimes they are.

[6:46:42] It all depends on the subject and what you're talking about.

[6:46:49] Yes, please.

[6:46:52] You've been very patient to sit here and listen.

[6:46:56] That's the job you're paying me to do it, so I guess I'll have to.

[6:46:59] Well, we'll cut that off too, okay.

[6:47:04] When Mark brought up the low water crossing in Bridge Fund and not naming it, the difference

[6:47:09] that would make just a quite a little bit because I think it's kind of lost in the weeds there.

[6:47:15] If he doesn't, if we don't specifically spell out the low water in Bridge, we'll be waiting

[6:47:21] on every other project that we've named to do that too.

[6:47:24] So, as a matter of important to the county and public safety,

[6:47:30] having to wait five to six years

[6:47:32] for all these other projects to be complete,

[6:47:35] before we could work on the water,

[6:47:37] would be so planning, so I agree with that.

[6:47:40] Thank you for bringing that up, Adam.

[6:47:43] I...

[6:47:44] Well, I counsel less.

[6:47:46] I can...

[6:47:47] He'll be better.

[6:47:48] Well, he needs to...

[6:47:49] I think he needs to drink a water or something.

[6:47:51] He's in there talking.

[6:47:54] The...

[6:47:54] We could address this issue, quote by putting kind of a catch all under that of county roads.

[6:48:02] Maybe that way.

[6:48:02] And I just gave you one.

[6:48:03] You presented up here in that bottom yellow part.

[6:48:06] It had low water profits specifically spelled out.

[6:48:10] Yes.

[6:48:10] It doesn't make it to the language.

[6:48:11] You know, it did.

[6:48:13] But, but what Adam is rightfully pointing out,

[6:48:17] because we've listed mostly his roadways in the bucket.

[6:48:22] So, we don't want to be held up to improve a Mount Gator lower cost or the 10,000 commissioners

[6:48:30] be in Commissioner Jones have in the 5,000 that are in precinct 3.

[6:48:37] You don't want to be held back and again back to walking and showing them the same time

[6:48:41] to be able to do and make these improvements a while still doing these.

[6:48:46] And I would believe you could put a kind of a catch all phrase for the county road system.

[6:48:51] them on there. That would address all our low-water areas and within the county

[6:48:57] road system, but we have to ask them. Mark about that.

[6:49:06] Would you ask softly to step in and build a piece of it? He's going ahead of this one.

[6:49:14] I think I've got another bottle of purple, local, whatever that is he's drinking.

[6:49:19] So I'm Mark. I think the court shares and Adam shares. I wrote corporate shares.

[6:49:26] It's a legitimate concern that you've properly identified about the bucket of low water

[6:49:33] processing and in some of the restrictions could an idea that we had was, could we address

[6:49:41] that issue by putting a catch-all phrase in there about the county road system, just though

[6:49:46] in the county road system, in other words, when trying to say we can go do low water improvements

[6:49:51] anywhere on the county road system.

[6:49:53] Condense, that's right, that's right, I mean I'd have been clear, but when I was so

[6:50:00] So you have the things that can be done in aid of poor and supportive road projects, and that's the language that's up above your name roadways.

[6:50:11] You can see that the kinds of things that you can do in aid of that are a number of things wrapped up in that.

[6:50:19] You have drainage and water crossing improvements, environmental mitigation, et cetera.

[6:50:25] Right? Now, when I was saying what you can pull the bucket down, you have money that you're

[6:50:32] allocating to a bucket that is low water crossings and drainage. It's actually been

[6:50:37] intermingled now that there's 22 million 500,000 wrapped up in one big bucket that includes

[6:50:44] that. You can pull that down and name it specifically like you've named a roadway. And when you do that,

[6:50:51] you've given yourself the ability to go out and use bond money on low water crossings.

[6:50:55] county-wide and you can do that. Well, I had to craft that language, but that was what I was suggesting earlier

[6:51:04] for perhaps drainage in a lot of crossings and perhaps for pedestrian and bicycle pathways.

[6:51:14] If you're saying the introductory language in property,

[6:51:19] covers that are we need to answer things to cover that. If you want to do that kind of work

[6:51:23] on an unnamed project, then the language we have in there right now won't cover an unnamed project

[6:51:30] until you've completed the named projects and you understand what I mean by completed.

[6:51:35] So, can you believe we can create language on the county road system and I think that's all we're talking about.

[6:51:40] Yes, it started about, right?

[6:51:42] Sure.

[6:51:42] That addresses that issue.

[6:51:45] But we can.

[6:51:45] We can't do local projects at the same time.

[6:51:48] That's, you could do that. They won after issuance. It could be the first project up where we'll prove what we're saying is we don't want to be limited.

[6:51:57] You can use that money that is why it's possible.

[6:52:01] Right. And that project held up just because of timing.

[6:52:06] So they changed the position.

[6:52:09] Such a nice suggestion to take another recess.

[6:52:11] Thank you.

[6:52:13] But

[6:52:14] There's a big deal of pressure to the device of power, of course, to check that out.

[6:52:19] I mean, whatever.

[6:52:22] That's what we need to do.

[6:52:23] That's what we need to do.

[6:52:24] That's what we need to do.

[6:52:26] We need to do this.

[6:52:28] Okay,

[6:52:32] we're back from the work session on the ballot and the proposition.

[6:52:38] So Julie, you have the floor.

[6:52:40] Okay, so what we've been working on so far is the proposition-like way.

[6:52:45] The proposition is part of the order and the election, the total election order is what

[6:52:53] needs to ultimately be approved by the court if that's what you order the election.

[6:53:00] You have to approve the whole order of the election.

[6:53:04] But we've been working on so far, it's been components of that order, so that order is

[6:53:09] of this proposition and stay to all control what has to be proposition has been

[6:53:15] purpose, the maturity, the interest rate and security. So, mainly what we have been

[6:53:22] working on here is the purpose language. There are 30 years in there that is provided

[6:53:27] idea. I was like, no, you're a financial advisor. So, that information came from hand.

[6:53:31] The other part of the order is setting up your early voting and your election tables and so you

[6:53:41] proof that earlier we have now crossed in the voting location and so order.

[6:53:46] And then there are some sections in there that are part of Chapter 3.

[6:53:50] So let's go on transparency and I believe that.

[6:53:55] Julie, if you don't mind for the public, you mind taking a seat and speaking in one of those

[6:54:00] or go to the podium, whatever you're comfortable doing.

[6:54:04] Thank you.

[6:54:12] It's Section 8.

[6:54:14] Is the section that is required by Chapter 3 of the election code?

[6:54:19] And that's the section that has the information

[6:54:22] on kind of the greater transparency.

[6:54:25] So it will list what the counties,

[6:54:28] outstanding long-term debt obligations are.

[6:54:31] the interest that's associated with that, and your current interest in thinking fun

[6:54:38] Tax rate, the rate that's not not your own end, but just the portion that is attached to your debt, so all of that is in here and

[6:54:49] becomes part of this order, but what we need everyone here to decide on and work on is the proposition in the ballot language kind of finalize that

[6:55:00] So, I think you have another draft now on the proposition language?

[6:55:09] Yes.

[6:55:11] And have we prepared?

[6:55:14] But we still need to look at the ballot language?

[6:55:16] Just don't need to work on ballot language, okay?

[6:55:30] So, Court, just to focus you on a few things, Commissioner Ingles, we have included all of your edits from

[6:55:39] your commentary before we adjourned.

[6:55:43] Our question was not that included also the intersections.

[6:55:48] We have also

[6:55:52] modified slightly in order to make room for the

[6:55:57] state match bucket.

[6:56:03] We've indicated that we would improve county roads,

[6:56:07] or county road connectors specifically to include,

[6:56:11] but not limited to.

[6:56:12] and then named them, and then, further down and before the state roads,

[6:56:22] which would be

[6:56:30] defined

[6:56:37] after the Darden Hill Road language, you'll see the same language repeated again,

[6:56:45] but related to state roads in highways,

[6:56:51] specifically to include, but not limited to, and then naming

[6:56:56] the road projects we know of currently.

[6:57:02] There is this bucket that we highlighted on the projector earlier that would include some

[6:57:10] money that are available for State Matt should the opportunity to rise.

[6:57:15] We believe that could be spent that way because of this language.

[6:57:22] Then, after the roadways are specified,

[6:57:28] you have the buckets and that is starting after

[6:57:32] reference to Henry Loop Commissioner, which is part of the US-290 references.

[6:57:39] You see the buckets drainage and water crossing improvements associated with county road system

[6:57:44] roadways, comma environmental mitigation, and conservation in aid of roads, that has always

[6:57:53] been the case that since this is a transportation bond, those kinds of monies need to be spent

[6:57:59] in aid of roads.

[6:57:59] What we've felt necessary to specify it, and then pedestrian walkway and bicycle transportation

[6:58:06] related to roads.

[6:58:07] So we've pulled those buckets down so that they could then be utilized for projects other

[6:58:16] than projects associated with the name Brodo's only.

[6:58:24] The highlighted yellow was something that Ron Shell added to the limited work that we could

[6:58:34] do on the accepted roadways.

[6:58:36] No

[6:58:40] one that there might be some environmental mitigation or conservation associated with those

[6:58:45] roadways that we will not be doing any expanded capacity work on judge to use your turn.

[6:58:54] There you go.

[6:58:57] And see that also gives us a little wiggle room so if we have a funded project with an all of a sudden

[6:59:05] environmental impact study says you got to do that and that will allow us to take care of that so the

[6:59:12] project that we're seeing to the end. So we're trying to have those funds available so we can use them

[6:59:20] appropriately when we need them. That's what our tent was Julie.

[6:59:30] So being reading it critically

[6:59:32] commissioners and see if it says what you wanted to say

[6:59:47] included in the packet that you gave me was

[6:59:50] Was a list of the voting dates for early voting location of the polls, which is also part of the packet

[6:59:57] So yes judge that's part of the order

[7:00:00] As Julie indicated that the next task at hand would be to work on the ballot language, and maybe we need to wait a minute to finish the conversation with the proposition language, the formal proposition language,

[7:00:18] but there are additional pages. I've only provided the first two pages just for the purposes of commentary and editing.

[7:00:26] Yes.

[7:00:27] The edited were restricted to this first page in propositions.

[7:00:32] Jerry, I'll see if I can put you down.

[7:00:51] In the wordsmithing of the ballot needs to be clear, but it cannot be a repetition.

[7:01:00] It needs to have the half points of the proposition, so that the voter doesn't read the proposition

[7:01:06] can say, I know what I've voted for.

[7:01:09] which would simply be at the basically the list of roads to that, right?

[7:01:15] It can be Julie and I have some reservations about including every named roadway on the ballot

[7:01:25] just because I think it would be confusing and lengthy and the proposition language is available.

[7:01:33] So I guess the question is how do you balance the very detailed description we're providing

[7:01:39] in the long language now with any efficiency on the ballot and so a desire not to confuse.

[7:01:48] So don't want to be confusing.

[7:01:52] So like, for example, take a Cardi-Rode, for example, there's a specific scope of a

[7:01:59] from Hunter Road to I-35. Could you on the on the bout proposition?

[7:02:09] Could you just say

[7:02:10] McCarty Road? You know I, is that where you're worried about catching this? This is the

[7:02:16] broadness, I mean the, a bit being too long. I guess what would be confusing about, and I don't

[7:02:23] know let me find the,

[7:02:27] so the way this was originally written, the assurance what would be in front

[7:02:31] of the voter, the issuance of bonds in the amount of acts to pay for constructing improving

[7:02:36] county roads in state highway, strange improvements in environmental mitigation, you know,

[7:02:40] walkways, et cetera, et cetera, transportation, because relating to the roadways and

[7:02:44] highway of lower crossings, you know, so you're making those broad deals, and then just

[7:02:48] list what was, what was here. That sounds, that sounds long, but it doesn't sound confusing

[7:02:56] to me. I am, it, it's just, if I'm understanding you credit, it just

[7:03:01] efforts that was improving sections of just kind of a very general to improving and you

[7:03:08] could go to the proposition to kind of see exactly what those improvements in tail.

[7:03:14] Yes, I think that's certainly a start.

[7:03:18] Sections of county roads and or state highways,

[7:03:25] after improving the proposition, I'm sorry

[7:03:29] you could say as delineated in the proposition because

[7:03:35] otherwise you might as well just print

[7:03:37] propositions is the ballot, which is...

[7:03:40] Well, I think what I'm hearing is maybe not get into all the detail that it's improvements

[7:03:46] at specific intersections, or on specific sections, but just a laundry list of all the

[7:03:53] roads that are going to have something done to this.

[7:03:58] What about the Budnaut line, which has now gotten length here?

[7:04:06] I think that's confusing on the proposition in the ballot box.

[7:04:13] I'd like us to, if we're able to take that stuff off, if you won't, and just leave that in the main legal binding piece of it.

[7:04:27] in the proposition. Thank you, right.

[7:04:30] I mean, that we can add some of these details.

[7:04:35] You got it here. It's not that you take out all the restrictive stuff.

[7:04:40] It's not that vague. That way people understand the scope and understand what

[7:04:45] roads and you don't have to put all the other stuff in there and it should keep it manageable.

[7:04:52] It looks that way from here.

[7:04:56] What do you think about putting the pracing that it's in?

[7:05:00] Because people are going to always say, what's in this for me and so, say, please say, three, oh, yeah, we're getting this road.

[7:05:07] I'm just proof that it may not even know what precinct will again. That's the other problem.

[7:05:12] I think, I think, I think we don't have to have in what's in the ballot box.

[7:05:18] What's in the ballot box? I don't think we need, for example,

[7:05:27] when you look at where it says,

[7:05:35] It says where it says restricted to the current F and 150 at a Roya Ranch Road, construction

[7:05:41] of turn lines, ride away preservation, intersection of trimester safety permits, a whole

[7:05:45] one that did it done, then you get into the last core piece of what is in the more detailed

[7:05:56] description of proposition two, trying to find where it starts, is what I'm

[7:06:02] telling the hard time finding this.

[7:06:08] Where it says the improvement of the following roadwise, except for shoulder

[7:06:11] improvements,

[7:06:14] the LC where I'm looking at now, or it says shoulder, about the quarter

[7:06:17] of the paper, quarter from the bottom, or it says shoulder improvements, turn lines

[7:06:21] in bottom on mitigation conservation, part of it, you know, for these sections

[7:06:24] a roadways, as what is restricted and limited to, I don't think that needs to be in the

[7:06:30] balance box.

[7:06:31] I think that would be confusing.

[7:06:34] But I don't see why we couldn't put, as you have written here, the issuance of bonds in

[7:06:40] the amount of acts covered these first few, you know, these general drop broad descriptions

[7:06:47] or transportation and then list out basically what is on the list here.

[7:06:58] And I'm open for ideas and different opinions.

[7:07:02] I would be clear then.

[7:07:04] from 1-10 at S-H-1-23 intersection in Primus,

[7:07:08] FM-621, 17 in Primus.

[7:07:12] Health side term, 17 in Primus and Roddenway,

[7:07:15] Fisher's Store at RM-2625,

[7:07:17] 16 in Primus.

[7:07:18] In fact, that's something that you know,

[7:07:21] public even if they haven't been very engaged and involved

[7:07:27] in and the literature, the educational literature,

[7:07:30] that the county has sent out.

[7:07:32] I mean, that's pretty black and white, you can understand that I am voting on an intersection

[7:07:39] in prison at FM2325 in the picture store road, there are a mile, guys, so can we

[7:07:57] understand

[7:07:58] what I'm saying to you?

[7:07:58] generally.

[7:08:03] I think I understand that you don't want to get into describing specific sections

[7:08:10] of roadways and it's possible that you'd like to name the roadways to be improved. It's

[7:08:16] also possible that you could leave that the long language as well and simply name improvements

[7:08:22] to and Julie, I don't know how often you've tried to do this for the proposition language

[7:08:29] is utterly specific, but the ballot language is very general, but I would think that you

[7:08:36] could say certain described county roads, county road connectors and or state highways, and

[7:08:43] leave it at that.

[7:08:44] You could be that great.

[7:08:45] I guess what we try to accomplish by that.

[7:08:49] Well,

[7:08:52] I guess I'm trying to give you an option.

[7:08:55] You asked for the options.

[7:08:56] I'm trying to give you an option that would result in quite a short ballot proposition item.

[7:09:03] Okay.

[7:09:03] I would probably say including, including, but not limited to certain designated county roads,

[7:09:11] county road system, or county road connectors, and or state highways, with a limitation

[7:09:17] on other described roadways or something like that effect, I mean indicating that there

[7:09:23] is a limitation to placing on some of these improvements. In other words, you've probably

[7:09:30] described the projects that you detailed in your proposition in the long language, you've

[7:09:36] them in five or six lines, as opposed to, I don't know how many it will take, but 30, or so.

[7:09:44] You know, one thing I've been pressing on, in fact, I'm losing, I'm not saying it's just

[7:09:48] a blow of smoke, which I'll do a really good job of merging pictures with words, I'll

[7:09:56] the US, the US, the US, the US.

[7:09:58] And that's really, really, it's sort of...

[7:10:00] It's a really good way to teach as people for us. So if you could help us simply by saying, you know, with great deliberation with the spending time to try to be as clear as possible, this is what you're trying to do.

[7:10:13] If you could, if you could do that for us, I would really appreciate that, because most people would read your newspaper, it's even free.

[7:10:23] I mean, that's the easiest part of it, that's the easiest part.

[7:10:26] I really love the way you do think you're new because it's clear to me, to even me.

[7:10:33] So,

[7:10:36] hopefully, you can get to know that we're not trying to do anything untoward.

[7:10:40] We're trying to be as clear as possible for the voters out there.

[7:10:44] And you can be our greatest asset to educate the voters.

[7:10:50] Because that's one of our great difficulties, educating the voters in this county because it's still hard to get the word out.

[7:10:59] But the ballot should be in my eyes, it should be not a repetition of the proposition.

[7:11:05] It should be the same as once.

[7:11:07] So that person could say, I know enough to make a good decision.

[7:11:11] In the first part of this proposition, really is the ballot telling you what you're about to do.

[7:11:17] Then you get very specific, when I, when I vote on a proposition, seldom have I read the proposition.

[7:11:25] It's true.

[7:11:26] I've kind of skimmed it, maybe.

[7:11:28] But I want to know what I need to know in that.

[7:11:31] And that's why the violence is smithing is so important.

[7:11:36] Because most people read in the same level.

[7:11:39] So they're not going to spend a lot of time thinking about it.

[7:11:43] They probably weren't made up their mind for the gift there.

[7:11:46] by Franklin, especially on the bond issues.

[7:11:51] So I thank y'all to worry about the wrong things there.

[7:11:55] I think we need to make it curse and clear.

[7:12:01] And now we're going to have a great deal of work ahead

[7:12:04] of us to educate the public and hold public meetings and explain it.

[7:12:09] And all that.

[7:12:10] And this proposition will be our opposite.

[7:12:12] Nice.

[7:12:13] It's for exactly.

[7:12:14] And I think if we can meet with people and go through this proposition, line by line, as individual

[7:12:21] researchers.

[7:12:24] And our goal is not to hide anything.

[7:12:26] We need to know whether that's the basis for us to explain the balance.

[7:12:31] So, where is the court agreement that we should list out those roadways and scopes of those projects,

[7:12:39] not putting all the restrictive language in there?

[7:12:41] But the negativity of the mock, like the people's eyes clout over, that should be in the proposition of not in the ballot of my opinion.

[7:12:51] You know, I think we should say in the same state.

[7:12:53] So that's the question is to sling which that's been presented.

[7:12:58] Towards the end, we actually start mentioning roads.

[7:13:02] Yeah, sections of, basically, center point, hillside terrace,

[7:13:07] lawn kiln, et cetera.

[7:13:08] Do you want us to add to that list of roads every road that we have mentioned,

[7:13:13] somewhere in the proposition, or do you want us to not mention any roads,

[7:13:17] or do you want us to only mention certain highlighted roads?

[7:13:20] I think, I think, so that we got everything, everything, a little bit,

[7:13:25] or you can say county and state roads, period, that's everything.

[7:13:29] Or you can say you can name a few or you can not name or you can name all of them

[7:13:33] I don't see the purpose of naming if I think naming a few is confusing to a comment

[7:13:38] Yeah, they were saying well, where's mine?

[7:13:40] Well, yeah, I mean, well, I thought this

[7:13:42] You know

[7:13:43] Big deal, you just been all that money. I don't want to row

[7:13:45] We'll tell me that that 2325. It has an improvement on it

[7:13:49] I don't see 2325 on here. Why why is it a long term?

[7:13:52] So use it. I think you either keep all of that in and I'm on for all

[7:13:58] That's I'm I'm I'm for all but I think I've made that clear so the court needs to decide

[7:14:03] That I think the ballot yes, sir

[7:14:07] Not describing sections

[7:14:09] This is the list a laundry list something to happen to this road somewhere on this road

[7:14:15] Yeah, including but not limited to now again again

[7:14:19] And I'm not trying I don't I don't want to be pesky here, but but again you come all year

[7:14:25] No, we do, but the, I mean, we're describing the limitations here.

[7:14:31] This is a book that bad. That's not that bad. I mean, look at it. It is like,

[7:14:35] even a whole page here.

[7:14:37] I don't know the string on the phone booth.

[7:14:40] Yeah.

[7:14:42] I don't know what these King did.

[7:14:44] That's not something I can get joy.

[7:14:45] That's not what I can get joy. It's not what I can get joy.

[7:14:47] It's not what I can get joy. It's what we can have alive. This is what I have.

[7:14:49] That's what I have here.

[7:14:50] I mean, I mean, I mean, so, so can just as an example,

[7:14:54] So, you know, McCoy wrote from, from 235.

[7:15:00] aand the carty road or carty with un35, has not that much. That's funny that much.

[7:15:06] so,

[7:15:09] you know, now I got my my pay is clear.

[7:15:10] But I don't think you partially do it.

[7:15:16] He's a corner of the NBC.

[7:15:18] I think has a What do you mean?

[7:15:19] The people.

[7:15:19] I think not a bloody neat thing on there.

[7:15:23] Is, uh.

[7:15:25] It's way too broad to know.

[7:15:26] You can say he's.

[7:15:27] He's just, he's just, he's wa-

[7:15:28] Just listed, and the alleviate control,

[7:15:30] published for more than 10,000,ieni 40115,

[7:15:32] within World of.

[7:15:33] Without any more of a party,

[7:15:34] you know, all the ballad,

[7:15:35] and that not fi-

[7:15:36] We were going to go in the backroom

[7:15:38] and come up with a short ballot.

[7:15:42] Not, uh, for relatively short ballot.

[7:15:44] That includes

[7:15:45] reference to each of them. And then we'll pass the entire package correct?

[7:15:51] Yeah, we'll be able to.

[7:15:51] You'll be able to hear from other people.

[7:15:55] Very good.

[7:15:56] No.

[7:15:57] We also want to make reference though, but not to include improvements to.

[7:16:04] Generally, we've got that in the proper position.

[7:16:08] I think that's confusing.

[7:16:11] I agree.

[7:16:17] Okay, back. Go to your job.

[7:16:25] Mark, I think what we're saying is not to list everything.

[7:16:32] Okay,

[7:16:36] we're back in session for Mark.

[7:16:41] I just didn't get the ballot at this time for a proposition 1 and 2, we've been spending

[7:16:49] a great deal of time, perfecting the ballot, and the language of the ballot.

[7:16:57] The court, please look over this ballot that CQ can agree that this is the appropriate

[7:17:04] pallet meets the needs of the voter, the issuance of bonds in the mouth of the 31,400,000 to pay for construction,

[7:17:15] constructing and improving sections of county roads and our state highways, drainage improvements, environmental mitigation and conservation,

[7:17:23] pedestrian walkways and bicycle transportation improvements relating to these roads and highways, low water processing improvements, traffic safety and operational improvements,

[7:17:33] and the living of attacks and payment, they're up.

[7:17:36] Of course, that's the referencing as sort of the simple short language.

[7:17:42] But I was referencing as the long language turned out not to be as long as I thought it would be.

[7:17:48] And you can find that on the stapled copy that I provided you on the second page.

[7:17:54] We had to reformat that to make sure it all lands properly in the works.

[7:17:58] It has to be square or format for the ballot, right?

[7:18:04] So you can see that after the specifically to include, but not limited to, which is about

[7:18:19] midway down, we name each project as they were written in the role language of the proposition.

[7:18:26] But

[7:18:29] we add at a Fisher Store N2325 FM2325.

[7:18:38] It's Fisher Store Road.

[7:18:40] This is a store road at FM23.

[7:18:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[7:18:44] Do you want us to put at?

[7:18:46] Sure, technically.

[7:18:49] What would you suggest item N or at?

[7:18:52] I'd say at FM21.

[7:18:55] It can be only one spot.

[7:19:00] 2325? Yes sir. All right.

[7:19:03] Maybe you use the hand of the scrap of intersection, cross road.

[7:19:11] Mark, this, this seems simple, so I'm assuming the answer is the

[7:19:15] already I've been considered by you or Julie is,

[7:19:20] can you not reference, can you not reference the original

[7:19:24] proposition in the ballot?

[7:19:28] But it's a little confusing since.

[7:19:31] Right.

[7:19:33] It has to be a so-called tight statement.

[7:19:36] All right.

[7:19:37] Yeah, and I think to the voter, this is the proposition.

[7:19:43] So they'll be confused if you're referencing proposition.

[7:19:45] I'm sorry you're changing.

[7:19:47] Fisher's goal, road, and the point.

[7:19:50] FM 2325

[7:19:56] So we make super, and that'll go round

[7:20:00] References as well, FM150, the U.P. switching lines. We reference as center street.

[7:20:08] I think there's a way to make that clear what it is or.

[7:20:14] Well, the way we've described it in the long-language is that it's related to mobility for FM150.

[7:20:20] I mean, is there any way to put that removing the switching station into the ballot?

[7:20:26] I think we can do it.

[7:20:34] I don't have the language off hand.

[7:20:42] If I saw Kyle citing relocation, I would think he had something to do with Hardy Pike.

[7:20:47] moving the railroad to the traffic,

[7:20:50] on the typical traffic.

[7:20:51] So it did not stop.

[7:20:52] It did not stop.

[7:20:53] It did not stop.

[7:20:55] Right.

[7:20:56] The all-understander, when you're explaining this about the switching railroad.

[7:21:00] Do you think we need to explain that a little more in the ballot or?

[7:21:05] That would be great.

[7:21:06] Well, I'm going to be honest with you.

[7:21:07] The first question I ask is,

[7:21:08] Chicago was why we changed the reference to the surgery.

[7:21:12] But in the proposition, we referenced the...

[7:21:15] The surgery is what it...

[7:21:16] whether if you said FM-150 and then where's it has it in a in and blocks of of

[7:21:22] center street you says slash railroad crossing are crossing.

[7:21:26] But would you have to mention one 50 if it most people know it by

[7:21:29] I think it has a story we talked about that and it does one 50 needs to be in there.

[7:21:33] We'll also talk about it.

[7:21:35] That's the one 50 we felt it was important that Center Street be in there because that

[7:21:41] Yeah, I don't become the crossing, but it's in the industry.

[7:22:02] So I'll put here FN150,

[7:22:07] Center Street, mobility improvements related to railroads, switch line.

[7:22:13] I like that.

[7:22:16] At least long as that doesn't include the other 150.

[7:22:20] Considerations.

[7:22:22] I just like it needs to be mentioned.

[7:22:23] I may have to go to the station.

[7:22:24] Downtown, Kyle.

[7:22:26] Center Street, mobility improvements.

[7:22:28] And then you can see it.

[7:22:29] Can you see it?

[7:22:30] Can you see it?

[7:22:31] Yeah.

[7:22:31] Can you see it?

[7:22:33] Center Head.

[7:22:34] It's like this for that year.

[7:22:36] I'm surprised he'd been nanos.

[7:22:39] It's all there.

[7:22:43] Oh, I say, yeah.

[7:22:46] So we got to do one thing.

[7:22:47] It was a darn thing.

[7:22:49] And we got to prove it.

[7:22:52] The old one that he was essentially.

[7:22:55] Yeah.

[7:22:56] Real good.

[7:22:57] So Hans Point was Commissioner Jones.

[7:23:00] This is burdened to you in particular.

[7:23:04] Ron's comment was, we should say,

[7:23:06] center street mobility improvements related to railroad switch line.

[7:23:10] I like it.

[7:23:11] And we recognize in the long one.

[7:23:13] Fifty will confuse people problem.

[7:23:15] Well, that in judge, it's also its own project

[7:23:18] because we have realignment.

[7:23:20] Yeah, right.

[7:23:21] So I then after that, immediately after that,

[7:23:24] I'll list FM150 as its own project.

[7:23:28] And this third on two more.

[7:23:30] how high the reference in FM150, you aren't in it at that point,

[7:23:37] yeah.

[7:23:37] So the chain would be FM150 comma, then the psyche mobility

[7:23:44] change or has it?

[7:23:46] So it currently reads Center Street Mobility Improvements related to railroad, switch line,

[7:23:52] comma, FM150 comma, SH21, and so on.

[7:23:57] So FM150 has listed independently.

[7:23:59] Okay.

[7:24:00] What other changes do you see in the clarification of the need?

[7:24:05] I think we made the 20-25 app just while we're talking to make sure we got a lot of paper.

[7:24:13] Thank you.

[7:24:13] And handed this, this is recently an important ballot language, what people will see in the box.

[7:24:21] Here in the proposition one, in proposition two, we have a more detailed description of

[7:24:29] And exactly what that would be.

[7:24:31] And that is a reflection of this latest list year that total $131 million, $400,000

[7:24:43] with CR266, Dasing Lane, F1110, 123, 621, 121, like in 66, 121, sub-port, or highway, 80 million

[7:24:58] tearing this life.

[7:25:00] FM-2.01 gap, like parents, RM-967, Robert S. Light, exit, full of beaded truck bypass. The railroad deal, center point, Fisher, 337-line film,

[7:25:17] party, where it's built,

[7:25:19] art in the Lankill,

[7:25:20] realignment, one 50 from the American 2, 20, 70.

[7:25:25] And two 90 different, two 90 increments

[7:25:28] that our buckets of predators are safe in the building.

[7:25:31] We all, on the side list.

[7:25:37] You're missing a zero.

[7:25:40] Thank you for that.

[7:25:41] I don't care, 131.

[7:25:43] Thank you.

[7:25:44] I'm in cause.

[7:25:46] Yeah, we need one more zero than that, okay.

[7:25:49] None pro-ton formation.

[7:25:52] None pro-ton.

[7:25:55] I've seen that commercial with a sender's色

[7:25:57] to drop people and they cost great reviews.

[7:26:02] All right, what did you gave them thisadows?

[7:26:04] So, the court made a call

[7:26:06] that I handed out a packet sometime this morning.

[7:26:11] And that was the full packet that includes the polling places.

[7:26:15] Now, the court, since receiving that backup, has voted to refine the polling places.

[7:26:22] So, you can assume that we have an exhibit that will reflect the action of court today.

[7:26:31] And we have propositional language, if the court finds it acceptable.

[7:26:37] I might want to assume so until I hear about if they find it acceptable for both propositions,

[7:26:41] one and two long language and ballot language. Then I think we have if you can imagine a

[7:26:49] compilation of all these pages in order and with the correct pages inserted in the

[7:26:55] correct language, we have something to call it and vote on. Julie, any additional commenter?

[7:27:00] Even if you're going to submit this, what if they have it, it will be happy, will you

[7:27:07] issue it or what?

[7:27:09] How does that work?

[7:27:10] This

[7:27:13] one actually opens in the state. She's something I've already said to me right now.

[7:27:23] We won't have the blood to be as heavy as we can.

[7:27:29] So this is what you like.

[7:27:31] This is what you like.

[7:27:32] This is what you like.

[7:27:34] This is a fruit by the others.

[7:27:37] And all we have is to do is to share in those times.

[7:27:43] Super.

[7:27:46] Just to show you, you have something to add?

[7:27:48] No, sir.

[7:27:49] I'm just a few.

[7:27:51] You point at items that fit this along the work.

[7:27:57] Take your time.

[7:27:58] Just be clean.

[7:28:01] You don't worry about it.

[7:28:03] Mr. Angels, we didn't really put it to a vote.

[7:28:07] But you seem to think that the Long Language since it wasn't as long as we feared it might be.

[7:28:14] you're okay with the long line, which I seem to get that feel from you. Do we have a consensus

[7:28:20] of court that the long line, which is preferred over the short line?

[7:28:27] That's what we will

[7:28:28] include in what you're voting on. You talk about the long line, which is in the ballot?

[7:28:33] In the ballot? Yes, correct.

[7:28:38] I think that's a good backup. People don't choose to read

[7:28:41] proposition, at least second, be more informed by the trail.

[7:28:49] I'm changing my carny road and the carny lane.

[7:28:53] Mr. Conley's comment must have gotten to me.

[7:28:56] White wing road, I've changed to white wing trail.

[7:28:59] What is what wing?

[7:29:00] Where's that?

[7:29:01] That's off 2001.

[7:29:04] Where's the center of the center of the left?

[7:29:07] The west part.

[7:29:09] There, by the shop, the center of the left.

[7:29:10] OK.

[7:29:46] Okay, I can always tell when the lecture was coming my road got patched.

[7:30:00] 11, we'll have a talk.

[7:30:01] I'm going to go work on the motion.

[7:30:03] About you too.

[7:30:04] You live in Daniel in the cold set?

[7:30:10] Okay.

[7:30:11] And that was best.

[7:30:12] Do you do my art?

[7:30:19] Call me boy.

[7:30:24] You're interested in watching my car work.

[7:30:27] I'll do my best.

[7:30:29] I'll do my best.

[7:30:50] One suggestion is that since we used the term union Pacific switching line in the proposition

[7:30:59] language, we are in the ballot language, so we related to union specifics switching line.

[7:31:07] I'd like to

[7:31:15] put it down to what?

[7:31:15] I've made that change.

[7:31:16] That's everybody knows.

[7:31:19] Not the Katie.

[7:31:26] So, let's take a frame.

[7:31:36] Yeah, that loop break.

[7:31:39] Please still.

[7:31:41] I believe so.

[7:31:42] Okay.

[7:31:44] So, we need to go to the order.

[7:31:50] Yes.

[7:31:50] And without looking at the agenda item,

[7:31:53] I think we can use the agenda language to get there.

[7:31:57] All right, so try that first.

[7:31:59] Proof and order by the commissioner's port of Hayes County,

[7:32:02] Texas calling it bond election to be held in Hayes County,

[7:32:04] Texas making provisions for the convict of the election.

[7:32:09] I can provision for the convict of a general election

[7:32:11] with various political subdivisions,

[7:32:13] solving other matters that relate to such election.

[7:32:16] Do

[7:32:21] we need some of the specifics more about the different propositions and dollar melts associated with those or is what the judge just read off sufficient for what we need?

[7:32:35] It is in the order, so as long as the court knows the content of the order it is voting on, I think that's sufficient, Julie.

[7:32:42] Okay.

[7:32:44] I'm not having somebody in the room to make me more certain of the things I'm saying.

[7:32:50] So we need a motion to order.

[7:32:54] That is correct.

[7:32:54] I didn't know if that was a motion you were making or if you were reading it.

[7:32:57] So whoever could say yes.

[7:32:59] That's what I want.

[7:33:01] So move.

[7:33:04] Second.

[7:33:05] Second.

[7:33:06] Okay.

[7:33:07] We're voting on an order to order our election.

[7:33:10] Okay.

[7:33:10] That's what we're doing.

[7:33:11] for submitting the formal documents, as outlined in the ballot and the propositions that we have

[7:33:18] worked so hard in the day off. So now please call roll.

[7:33:24] Mr. County?

[7:33:27] That's efficient, right?

[7:33:29] No, okay, yes.

[7:33:34] Mr. President? Yes?

[7:33:35] Mr. Jones? Yes?

[7:33:37] Judge Powell?

[7:33:38] Yes.

[7:33:39] This will be signed by the judge and attested by

[7:33:43] I kind of clerk, I will not need signatures from the court members, other court members that are.

[7:33:50] Well, some of us out of the room probably let me tell you what we did with other items.

[7:33:56] We did not open.

[7:33:58] Number 17 was pulled.

[7:34:00] Number 18 was pulled.

[7:34:02] The number 27, the budget workshop was postponed.

[7:34:07] room is rescheduled next Tuesday with no time set so we can be flexible with our court.

[7:34:15] Commissioner Jones made this motion on out of number 28 and it was passed.

[7:34:22] The burn band was lifting and ratified by the court and that's the last I have on my

[7:34:30] post to the agenda.

[7:34:31] We can be also good at the people of Hayes County and we need to do today.

[7:34:36] It's not thank you for your attendance and your hard work.

[7:34:40] We're doing good to see people.

[7:34:42] I'll entertain a budget for you.

[7:34:43] I'll move to the second.

[7:34:45] Okay.

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