[39:58] >>Thank you for all the public comment,

[39:59] we have received a lotThrough our

[40:00] emails, we appreciate that, and then

[40:01] during the presentation today, We don't

[40:09] cheer or clap, you're welcome to do

[40:10] this or raise your signs, but we don't

[40:11] really want to discourage anybodyFrom

[40:13] saying what they want to. Everybody

[40:16] gets that right, whether it's for or

[40:17] againstThe project, so we don't want to

[40:20] make anybody feel not welcome.. So with

[40:24] that, and John(INAUDIBLE)

[40:41] Kaleigh, can we start with roll call?

[40:42] >>Yes, thank you, chair.

[40:43] [CALLING ROLL]

[40:57] All are here.

[40:58] >>Okay, let's salute our flag, please.

[41:04] >>I pledge allegiance to the flag of

[41:05] the United States of America and to the

[41:08] republic for which it stands, one numb

[41:09] nation "One nation under God,

[41:13] indivisible, with liberty and justice

[41:14] for all.

[41:31] >>This is our special meeting of

[41:32] October 20, we have one agenda item and

[41:33] before we get to that agenda item, we

[41:34] are going to see if there's any

[41:35] modifications to the agenda.

[41:36] >>Good morning, Chair Bushnell, there

[41:37] are no modifications.

[41:38] >>Thank you, CAO Hayes, we are going to

[41:40] go to our County Counsel.

[41:48] >>Thank you, Chair Bushnell. Currently

[41:49] before the board is an ordinance

[41:50] amending section 311 " Seven of the

[41:59] Kumble "Humboldt County code by rezoning

[42:00] property in the McKinleyville area to

[42:01] mixed-use in adding the McKinleyville

[42:02] Towncenter Q-qualifiedCombining zone.

[42:08] >>Okay, so I am going to open the

[42:09] public hearing, and we are going to go

[42:10] to Director Ford.

[42:11] >>In morning, Chair Bushnell, members

[42:16] of the Board of Supervisors, John

[42:17] forward with the planning and building

[42:18] department.. Before I begin the

[42:21] presentation, just want to give a

[42:22] little bit of a proceduralDiscussion

[42:24] about public comment.So all the public

[42:27] comment that was receivedBeforeOctober

[42:30] 15(INAUDIBLE) with the board report

[42:37] that was published, Anything after that

[42:42] Was presented through theClerk of the

[42:46] board's office and is attached to, In

[42:53] the legistar file and is there. There

[42:54] were some subsequent comments that were

[42:55] received, and those you have on the

[42:56] dais this morning.So with that, I'm

[42:58] going to give a short, what I hope will

[43:01] be somewhat short presentationOn the

[43:04] TowncenterAnd

[43:05] >>I forgot to say one thing. Public

[43:14] comment is two minutes today, not

[43:15] three, and that will be for everyone. I

[43:17] really just if you have something to say

[43:21] , Please do, But it can get a little bit

[43:34] , You are welcome to say I agree,

[43:35] disagree, and you don't have to utilize

[43:36] the two minutes. I just want to put

[43:37] that out there. So thank you.

[43:52] >>My computer is killing me this

[43:53] morning. It will not going to display

[43:54] mode.So pardon me that this is going to

[43:55] beIn the work mode. This is a

[43:59] presentation onThe McKinleyville

[44:02] Towncenter,The things that I will go

[44:07] over briefly are the development of the

[44:08] ordinance, The Towncenter ordinance

[44:11] itself, the IR, the issues that seem to

[44:15] be of most concern to the public and

[44:17] then discuss the

[44:18] recommendation.

[44:22] First, I want to start by saying this

[44:23] is a process that started in 2019, the

[44:24] McKinleyville municipal advisory

[44:25] committeeIs created to collect

[44:27] informationThat's important to the

[44:30] community and provideRecommendations to

[44:33] the Board of Supervisors. So these are

[44:35] the currentIn past members and past

[44:38] chairs of theMcKinleyville municipal

[44:42] advisory committee, and they have

[44:47] worked tirelessly to bring this to this

[44:48] point.And there are members of the

[44:59] public, too, and I was afraid that I

[45:00] missed somebody, so I didn't try to name

[45:05] all the members of the public that

[45:06] participated in this, but there have

[45:07] been people who have been there every

[45:10] step of the way and it's so appreciated.

[45:12] So the McKinleyville town center comes

[45:17] out of the McKinleyville community plan

[45:18] to establish unique identity for

[45:19] McKinleyville that needs to be viable,

[45:24] a focal point for the community where

[45:25] social community interactionCan be

[45:26] conductedAnd it's identified as an area

[45:30] of mixed land usesWith encouragement

[45:33] for bicycle and pedestrian travelAnd

[45:35] also conveningConvenient automobile

[45:40] access. Some of the topics thatWere

[45:42] discussedIn great detail or how to

[45:47] address wetlands, It started off

[45:50] wondering whether not the definition

[45:54] should be modified within the community

[45:55] plan, that was ultimately decided by

[45:59] the bitmap they would not make the

[46:00] recommendation to do that, the town

[46:05] center also would be subject to the

[46:06] single parameter weapon requirement,

[46:07] spent a lot of time developing a

[46:08] pedestrian network, So there is a

[46:11] complete pedestrian connectivityBoth

[46:15] east-west from the McKinleyville Avenue

[46:19] all the way over to Pearson Park and

[46:22] there is a connection proposed linking

[46:26] the midtown trail and also pedestrian

[46:27] connectivity along central. So these

[46:29] only, The concept went from having

[46:33] individualAs Olds to zoning the entire

[46:37] Cal center mixed-useWith specific

[46:52] overlays on addressing how to deal with

[46:53] that. The building design is base code

[46:57] and that was something that was done to

[46:58] try to create more of an urban downtown

[47:01] feel with commercial uses on the first

[47:06] floor residential above that and then

[47:08] the road design, I know, it's going to

[47:13] be the big discussion today which was

[47:14] how to address central Avenue. There

[47:16] are policies within the McKinleyville

[47:17] community plantTo address pedestrians

[47:21] crossing central and so theUltimate

[47:27] what's been called the road diet is a

[47:28] function that came out of that.

[47:31] So this is an areaIdentified with the

[47:36] McKinleyville community plan is being

[47:37] the town center.And what is being

[47:40] proposedIsThere's one project that's

[47:45] actually proposed, That's the life plan

[47:48] Humboldt project, that's the area

[47:50] outlined inPurple south of Hilton. So

[47:57] the proposal is to sold basically the

[47:58] entire property mixed use, And so there

[48:02] would be one, been sold throughout the

[48:05] entire town center and that would be

[48:08] mixed use and that would be modifiedIn

[48:11] the Q Zone would have uses that are

[48:15] broken up like this, there will be a 14

[48:16] acreWetland on the Western end of the

[48:19] property, That is described wetland

[48:28] conservation preservation re-creation,

[48:29] part of that will be to retain halfOf

[48:33] the growth that exists there, so

[48:34] there's a little bit of flexibilityWith

[48:37] respect to the where that goes with the

[48:42] idea is to retain the Spruce Grove that

[48:43] exists there, because that is kind of

[48:46] identifying landmark of the landscape.

[48:52] You'll notice the public facility which

[48:53] is also encourage within the community

[48:54] plan is retained at Pearson Park, that

[48:56] also includes the library, Azalea Hall,

[48:59] the Sheriff substation. In the

[49:02] community center. The are three seems a

[49:05] little out of place, but the reason for

[49:11] that is that's where the Thunderbird

[49:12] trailer park is that there was a desire

[49:13] not to create the trailer park is being

[49:16] a nonconforming use. So the Arthur

[49:17] resultingBasically it's retained for

[49:19] that location.The IRR was prepared to

[49:27] evaluate the impacts of implementing

[49:32] the town center and that would be

[49:33] looking forward to actual construction

[49:34] becauseThe objective here is to have

[49:37] the actual construction of buildingsTo

[49:42] be ministerial, there may be a need for

[49:43] discretionary permits such as related

[49:44] to obtaining permitsTo relocate wetlands

[49:48] . So the EIRIs both programmatic but

[49:52] also provides environmentalSite

[49:55] clearance for future developments, And

[49:58] it alsoClearly would include

[50:05] (INAUDIBLE). In the EIR, there were

[50:08] Impacts that were identified as being,

[50:17] There was no impact or less than

[50:18] significant impact without mitigation,

[50:19] those are shown in white, there's less

[50:20] than significant after mitigations

[50:21] provided, those are shown in yellow,

[50:23] and there was one significant

[50:26] unavoidable impact and that was related

[50:28] to theTraffic noise along the railroad.

[50:44] The concern there wasn't that it

[50:45] exceeded 60 DV, which is the adorable

[50:46] plan bubble allowable, it's that it

[50:47] increase the overall noise by more than

[50:48] 5 dB, up to 7 dB.Due to the fact that

[50:57] it's already a low-speed mode there

[50:58] wasn't really, and the homes of the

[50:59] Northside face onto theStreet, there

[51:00] wasn't the ability to provideSound

[51:03] attenuation there, soIt was deemed to

[51:07] be a significant unavoidable impact.

[51:15] One of the interesting thingsThat

[51:19] confuses people, we are in an area "Heir

[51:22] of the environmental quality actTo

[51:28] evaluate level of service, it's now

[51:29] based on vehicle miles traveled, and

[51:33] since the project is so focused on

[51:34] pedestrian and bicycle in transit, It

[51:36] really is a self mitigating project and

[51:41] the impact was determined to be less

[51:42] than significant.The central Avenue

[51:44] laid reductionHad no SQL impact. There

[51:53] was, and I will talk about this a

[51:54] little bit more later, there was an

[51:55] operational analysisThat was done

[51:56] through the projectThat was separate

[51:58] from BNT, and that is also includedAs

[52:04] an appendix to the EIR.

[52:07] So we did examine a couple of

[52:13] alternatives, what is the project

[52:14] alternative, that always has to be

[52:15] evaluatedWithin a reduced scale

[52:20] project. One thing that is a concern

[52:21] for some people is the amount of

[52:22] development that could be allowed. I

[52:32] will go into a little bit more detail

[52:33] about that but what the EIR did was

[52:34] evaluated the theoretical maximum that

[52:35] could be filled so whatever happens out

[52:36] there would not exceed that, So that's

[52:37] not, those aren't regulatory numbers.

[52:44] The Micmac recommended building with

[52:45] the project as proposed rather than

[52:46] trying to reduce itPrimarily because

[52:48] there is a need for housing within the

[52:49] communityAnd with in Humboldt County.

[52:54] The ARR, the draftWe received 28 letters

[53:00] , Most of them came fromIndividualsWho

[53:05] commented on the document. There was

[53:13] one letter from state agency, one from

[53:14] a local agency, one from the

[53:15] nongovernmental organization.And so the

[53:17] final EIR includes the DE IR, it

[53:22] includes the changes that were madeTo

[53:24] the EIR and responding to the comments

[53:29] and in response to comments.There

[53:36] We did include some responses.related

[53:42] to the IR but focused on ordinance

[53:43] requirements, just wanted to explain

[53:44] why that's notSomething that the IRS

[53:49] going to respond to. I do want to say

[53:50] some of the comments did result in

[53:51] changesTo the EIR and we included those

[53:55] here. What was just included an updated

[54:01] cross-sectionIn the DIR, But we updated

[54:11] that with the new exhibit, we modified

[54:12] air quality mitigation. We also

[54:16] modified some of the biological

[54:17] resource mitigationPrimarily to address

[54:19] the concerns from the Department of

[54:22] Fish and wildlife and then try to

[54:26] address the noise little bit more

[54:27] thoroughly by having a construction

[54:31] noise coordinator and then including

[54:32] the alternativesIn the table to reduce

[54:40] alternatives. Some of the areas of

[54:41] concern you've seen relate to wetlands,

[54:42] Central Avenue, Relate to the amount

[54:49] analyzed in the open space, I will go

[54:50] through those briefly. The first one is

[54:51] related to wetlands and the concern with

[54:54] Policies 14 and 15 within the community

[54:57] plan.And that policy says up on

[55:02] existing parcelsShall be permitted.And

[55:08] one of the things that you will see is

[55:10] that there are actuallyFive existing

[55:15] undeveloped parcels that these policies

[55:17] would apply toAnd for thoseOur existing

[55:30] four of those are existing parcels

[55:31] since the community play. That would

[55:32] clearly be under policy 14 which allows

[55:33] Impacts of the wetlands provided they

[55:36] are mitigated. Policy 15, then, is the

[55:40] one that becomes a concernPeer and

[55:47] since no land use or development shall

[55:48] be permittedWhich degrade the wetland

[55:53] for distract from natural resource value

[55:57] . So the life plan Humboldt parcel was

[55:58] subdivided since adoption of the

[56:02] committee plan. So it is clearly

[56:03] subject to policy. One of the things I

[56:08] would point out, the reason I put this

[56:09] in different colors is if it said no

[56:11] land use or development shall be

[56:12] permitted wetland areas of newly

[56:15] created parcels, that would beVery

[56:18] clear, but it doesn't say that. It

[56:22] provides a modifier there which degrade

[56:23] the wetlands or detract from the

[56:26] natural value of the staff report and

[56:27] the findings, there's a great amount of

[56:29] analysis describing whyThe life plan

[56:32] humble is consistent with that.

[56:41] So I probably just went through this

[56:43] fast, I will just skip over that.One

[56:49] concern is the amount of development

[56:50] allowed, And it evaluates the

[56:58] possibility of 2650 units in 25 volumes

[56:59] per acre, and evaluated 106 acres. The

[57:06] total town center is 134 acres, so

[57:07] obviously Pearson Park was subtracted

[57:11] out, the public facilities were

[57:12] subtracted out with that basically

[57:13] leaves 54 acres undeveloped which would

[57:16] be about 1350 units, life plan Hubble

[57:19] is already developing propose to develop

[57:23] and they are at 144 unitsThey

[57:28] developed a 25 units per acre they

[57:29] would have 211 units.The area upon

[57:35] Pickett where it says 4.3 acres up

[57:36] there and kind of the(INAUDIBLE) color,

[57:46] that was a more recent modification

[57:47] that Micmac made a recommendation on,

[57:48] the property owner there wanted10 years

[57:52] to the acre, so what was proposed there

[57:53] is about 43 units, Making it 64. You

[57:57] can see the EIR was very conservative

[57:59] in the analysis. It probably won't ever

[58:06] reach the 2650 units. In order to do

[58:07] that, areas within the town centerWould

[58:10] need to be redeveloped.There would be

[58:15] the existing development that would

[58:16] need to be redoneAnd redeveloped under

[58:18] the town center.

[58:23] Another concern was space, the

[58:27] ordinance requires 3% of undeveloped

[58:29] property to be devoted toSome sort of

[58:31] open spaceWith a minimum of one site

[58:37] being at least 20,000 ft. . In this,

[58:41] the open space can be combined into one

[58:44] area or it can be spread across the

[58:45] properties, And so the 54 undeveloped

[58:48] acres would be about 1.62 acres. The

[58:55] Micmac the last meeting that they held

[58:56] was somewhat split, Some were open to

[58:58] the idea of looking for more than

[59:02] 20,000 ft. , others thought that1.62

[59:06] acres was really what dictates hereAnd

[59:09] they were fine with the language as is.

[59:14] So I am not going to read all this to

[59:15] you, The other concern is related to

[59:21] parkland and the way that parkland and

[59:23] is currently addressed within

[59:24] McKinleyville is that there's an option

[59:28] to either dedicate or to pay a part fee

[59:31] and then the part fee is usually

[59:32] provided to theMcKinleyville community

[59:34] services District and they develop

[59:38] parks using that fee, we recently had

[59:43] the board approve a request to transfer

[59:44] money to in CSD for the BMX Park, so

[59:48] that's what's in red down there, partly

[59:50] for public parksWhich meet those

[59:58] standards. The development of the town

[59:59] center will be consistent with current

[1:00:00] practice and consistent with what is

[1:00:01] allowed not only in thePolicies of the

[1:00:06] community plan itself but also in

[1:00:08] (INAUDIBLE).

[1:00:13] And then there was a comment about

[1:00:15] TraditionalVillage form, and there is a

[1:00:29] river reference to that, these are the

[1:00:30] actual languages from the guidelines,

[1:00:31] to assure a traditional village form,

[1:00:32] to avoid the strip shopping center look

[1:00:33] . So which is the driving focus here?

[1:00:36] Is it trying to define what a

[1:00:37] traditional villageIsOr is it to stay

[1:00:44] away from the standard strip shopping

[1:00:45] center look? That's really what the

[1:00:51] objective of the Q Zone, the Towncenter

[1:00:52] ordinance is intended to do is create a

[1:00:53] very walkablePedestrian oriented feel,

[1:00:56] similar to what traditionalDevelopment

[1:00:58] would look likeIn a state where you

[1:01:05] didn't have the tradition or the more

[1:01:06] recent strip designWith parking in the

[1:01:09] frontIn building's behind the parking.

[1:01:18] The big area of concern, Light as you

[1:01:22] are aware, of us that of (INAUDIBLE),

[1:01:26] so this is what the McKinleyville

[1:01:30] Municipal advisory committee ultimately

[1:01:31] recommended approvalAnd this would be

[1:01:33] three lanes. There would be in North

[1:01:35] Lane, Southlake, center lane. There

[1:01:42] would be a buffered bike lane, and then

[1:01:43] there would bePedestrian sidewalk

[1:01:50] adjacent to the buildings. One of the

[1:01:51] things I think is important to

[1:01:52] understand about this drawing that is

[1:01:53] accurately presented is that theCode

[1:02:01] looks to place buildings at the back of

[1:02:02] the walk so you have more of a town

[1:02:03] center kind of feel. So shop frontsWith

[1:02:07] residences,Originally there was a tree

[1:02:16] or the room read planner, there is a

[1:02:17] landscape strip there, the Micmac

[1:02:18] realized,There is utilities in this area

[1:02:22] . It would not be good to place

[1:02:25] landscaping there and soThey took that

[1:02:29] out and they wanted to see some kind of

[1:02:38] rock, gravel, some decorative payment

[1:02:39] treatment still keeping the curb, the

[1:02:40] buffered bicycle lane, But with the

[1:02:41] possibility if allowedTo place some

[1:02:46] kind of planter in that area, so that's

[1:02:49] what's reflected there. Obviously, the

[1:02:53] current configuration of the roadIs

[1:02:58] four lanes, and I want to clarify

[1:02:59] something, I heard a lot, I read a lot

[1:03:00] of comments aboutThe thinking that the

[1:03:03] entirety ofMcKinleyville Avenue would be

[1:03:12] In two lanes. So this is drawing, I'm

[1:03:13] sorry for the scale, I could get it any

[1:03:14] largerAnd have it often on a slide with

[1:03:18] the area in origin showing the existing

[1:03:19] two lane segments of McKinleyville

[1:03:26] Avenue.

[1:03:27] >>Are you referring to Central Avenue?

[1:03:28] >>Central, thank you.

[1:03:29] [LAUGHING]

[1:03:33] McKinleyville Avenue is to the west.

[1:03:34] The green areaIs an area that will

[1:03:38] remain four lanes.The blue area is the

[1:03:42] area that would be where the lane

[1:03:47] reduction is. That would be between

[1:03:48] Railroad AvenueAnd hardwood. While I do

[1:03:51] not have the numbers to demonstrate this

[1:03:54] , I do drive this enough to know that

[1:03:59] when you come off the freeway and go up

[1:04:00] over Bella Vista HillAnd come down and

[1:04:02] hit the four-lane segmentThat before

[1:04:08] you even go through the light at the

[1:04:09] shopping center, a lot of people are

[1:04:10] alreadyGetting that right lane because

[1:04:11] the big turning movement is at the

[1:04:15] center Road intersection. And Sutter

[1:04:22] road, that intersection will not be

[1:04:23] affected by this.In fact, just personal

[1:04:26] experience, I was in the Chevron

[1:04:29] station at SutterIn central Saturday

[1:04:37] and was looking to make a left onto

[1:04:38] Sutter to get back on central and there

[1:04:40] were nine cars stacked in the turning

[1:04:41] lane. So the primary turning movement is

[1:04:46] on and off of Sutter there, there's a

[1:04:49] lot of traffic that goesOutsider,

[1:04:52] there's water development. The

[1:04:55] four-lane section within Park would

[1:05:00] Which is also another place where there

[1:05:01] is a lot of traffic that turns off on

[1:05:02] the hardwoodBefore getting into the

[1:05:09] Upper section therebetween heart would

[1:05:15] and redwood. I hope that helps a little

[1:05:16] bit for context, it's not all of the

[1:05:17] four-lane section that would be

[1:05:18] affected.

[1:05:21] Also wanted to say that the planning

[1:05:22] commission wasKind of vexed with what

[1:05:29] to do about this, they were concerned,

[1:05:30] that in order to see traffic jams, they

[1:05:31] don't want to see the communityPut into

[1:05:33] place with traffic solutions that

[1:05:37] nobody likes. So they asked for

[1:05:38] additional studyTo be done. As part of

[1:05:41] the recommendation today. But I do want

[1:05:49] to point out that one of the things the

[1:05:50] Micmac asked for and was provided was

[1:05:54] that there was an operational analysis

[1:05:55] doneFor all the intersectionsAroundThe

[1:06:00] town center.So that evaluated Murray in

[1:06:04] central, It identified and evaluated

[1:06:08] MurrayAnd McKinleyville peer can

[1:06:15] identify the intersections down along

[1:06:19] McKinleyville and down alongCentral to

[1:06:22] Heartwood. And so it did fine, that

[1:06:27] there would be impacts.It did also

[1:06:31] provide what the solutions, the

[1:06:33] improvements that can be made for those

[1:06:35] intersectionsTo maintain an adequate

[1:06:38] level of service. It did not address,

[1:06:44] though, intersections that were outside

[1:06:45] of the city area. So did the address

[1:06:47] somebody turns are being madeIn

[1:06:51] (INAUDIBLE) as school Road. It also did

[1:06:52] notInvolve something that is kind of a

[1:07:02] new topic of discussion that really

[1:07:03] wasn't a topic of discussion with this

[1:07:04] process started which is a possibility

[1:07:05] of havingI hello Road interchange.They

[1:07:10] are lookingAt northbound southbound.

[1:07:16] These options were provided to theMicmac

[1:07:20] and they are also provided to the

[1:07:23] Planning commission and these come out

[1:07:27] Of the McKinleyvilleModality study and

[1:07:32] the one the upper rightWas an

[1:07:34] alternativeThat maintain basically the

[1:07:38] five lane alignment, four legs North,

[1:07:43] four-lane South with a center turn

[1:07:44] lane, it maintainOn street bike paths

[1:07:47] and a 10 foot bike pedestrian path that

[1:07:53] separated from the street on the west

[1:07:55] side of the road.One of the things that

[1:07:59] The Micmac made the comment about, I

[1:08:04] don't know that this was unanimous, but

[1:08:05] there were concernsThe existing bridal

[1:08:10] trail they may be incompatible with the

[1:08:11] code desire to have white sidewalks in

[1:08:15] the retail on the first floor. So that

[1:08:16] wasSix rejected. What was brought up in

[1:08:22] at least one of the letters, it has an

[1:08:28] alternative to the current road that I

[1:08:29] proposed, the other lane reduction was

[1:08:30] reallyNot so much of payment reduction.

[1:08:35] This would also include the bridal trail

[1:08:37] which the Micmac commented on, ButIt

[1:08:43] is a three lane alternativeIn the

[1:08:45] center turn lane withBuffered by Clay

[1:08:48] on each side. SoEven the modality study

[1:08:54] did not recommend approval.

[1:09:04] So the recommendation to the Board of

[1:09:05] Supervisors is to adopt the resolution

[1:09:07] and certify the EIR andAdopt a running

[1:09:13] consideration, adopt the monitoring

[1:09:14] program, adopt a resolution to make all

[1:09:20] required findings for adoption of the

[1:09:21] zoning ordinance and then adopt the

[1:09:22] ordinance to rezone the town center

[1:09:29] mixed use with the Q Zone only late in

[1:09:30] direct any work done in central Avenue

[1:09:31] be done with an updated traffic analysis

[1:09:34] And designed to be presented to the

[1:09:35] Micmac public discussion. With that, I

[1:09:38] am happy to answer any questions you

[1:09:39] might have.

[1:09:45] >>Okay, thank you. From the board, will

[1:09:46] do clarifying questions Alina will go

[1:09:47] to public comment. And then I will go

[1:09:48] back to JohnAnd then back to the board.

[1:09:54] Any clarifying questions on the

[1:09:55] presentation?Supervisor Oreo.

[1:10:02] Something I didn't see is the part of

[1:10:03] the presentation was, I am a bit

[1:10:08] familiar but I can always use more

[1:10:09] information about this, about what the

[1:10:10] public process has beenThat surrounded

[1:10:11] all of this.

[1:10:14] >>Thank you, so we started offTrying to

[1:10:20] decide what would be an appropriate

[1:10:21] committee. Initially, the Micmac was

[1:10:22] thinking about appointing people, But

[1:10:26] then it was still need to come back to

[1:10:27] the Micmac for consideration, and their

[1:10:29] recommendation, And so the

[1:10:37] recommendation was made to the Micmac

[1:10:38] which they agreed to, they service that

[1:10:39] committee to serve asThe place where

[1:10:41] public meetings will be held, or public

[1:10:47] input will be taken anywhere public

[1:10:48] discussion when we had. The first

[1:10:49] couple of meetings or meetings that

[1:10:55] were really not convened as the Micmac,

[1:10:56] they were much larger, we set up

[1:10:57] tables. First we didn't introduction

[1:10:58] and an overviewIn the Azalea Hall, and

[1:11:06] We had maybe 75 people there. Then we

[1:11:07] conducted a meetingBroke out in the

[1:11:14] table for people in the first meeting

[1:11:15] had identified the areas they would

[1:11:16] like to study and talk aboutAnd so we

[1:11:21] Set those and let people go around the

[1:11:22] tables and talk aboutWhat it was they

[1:11:25] wanted to see.From there we got

[1:11:36] sidetracked frankly on wetlands and

[1:11:37] that discussion was the focus for a few

[1:11:38] meetings and we then got intoCOVID, And

[1:11:43] it slowed down a little bit and started

[1:11:44] holding remote meetingsAndDuring that

[1:11:50] timePeople started asking what does

[1:11:54] this look like, what would the

[1:11:59] Towncenter look like, and we actually

[1:12:00] hired a great architect to come in and

[1:12:04] help us do a presentations and develop

[1:12:07] Something representative of what

[1:12:15] form-based code could look like in cash

[1:12:16] loser came and help us with that then a

[1:12:17] blocking study and amassing study and

[1:12:18] even did some things that you can see

[1:12:19] it from different angles and that I

[1:12:22] think help the public and helpedThe

[1:12:25] Micmac understandWhat it was that was

[1:12:29] being proposed here? Got into a

[1:12:31] discussion, the discussion of Central

[1:12:36] Avenue has been up and down and back

[1:12:37] and forth the entire timeAnd soOne of

[1:12:42] the things I want to point out that I

[1:12:43] think some people in the public were

[1:12:48] dissatisfied well with was the abnormal

[1:12:49] allowance for three minutes to speak,

[1:12:55] And so I think some people really

[1:12:56] wanted to have more back-and-forth but

[1:12:57] in order to maintain some sense of order

[1:13:05] , That wasn't allowed for. Went through

[1:13:06] all the items that I put up there on

[1:13:07] the screenAn ordinance was written, and

[1:13:11] then we probably spent, I want to say

[1:13:15] two years going through iterations of

[1:13:18] that ordinance. Staff responding to

[1:13:23] comments including something within the

[1:13:24] documentHaving the public comment,

[1:13:28] having the Micmac comment on it and

[1:13:31] then kind of going through it until we

[1:13:35] Got a finished document, we got a

[1:13:36] stable documentAnd based upon that we

[1:13:38] prepared theDraft EIRAnd then coming

[1:13:45] out of the draft EIR, so subtle changes

[1:13:46] were madeBut nothing that is really

[1:13:50] significant. Ability to bothThe EIR

[1:13:57] with the draft EIR is the final

[1:13:58] diversion of the document back to BRIC

[1:14:02] for their recommendation to the

[1:14:03] planning commission. The planning

[1:14:04] commission received the recommendation

[1:14:05] of the MicmacAnd they consider the

[1:14:09] public testimony, considered what was

[1:14:10] presented May the recommendation to

[1:14:15] adopt the ordinance, certify the EIR

[1:14:16] with no changes.

[1:14:17] >>Thank you. So it's been about six

[1:14:22] years now? Thank you. Hear any other

[1:14:24] clarifying questions?Supervisor Wilson,

[1:14:29] then supervisor Madrone. And then

[1:14:31] supervisor Bohn.

[1:14:36] >>This cutting goes into the Q Zone part

[1:14:38] Of the discussion which isI read in

[1:14:41] there that thereIs the encouragement of

[1:14:45] the shared parking as well as kind of

[1:14:50] moving away from the parking frontage

[1:14:51] to a more town style frontage and it's

[1:14:55] kind of wondering how does that manifest

[1:14:58] ? From the word several people "From the

[1:15:08] word on paper that's moving forward

[1:15:09] today.

[1:15:10] >>I think that's part of the concern

[1:15:11] for many members of the community as

[1:15:12] well. When somebody would come in with

[1:15:13] an application for a permit and they

[1:15:18] didn't require discretionary permit,

[1:15:19] then the town center in the form-based

[1:15:21] code would be used to evaluateThe design

[1:15:25] Of the project, not only the site plan

[1:15:27] but also(INAUDIBLE).

[1:15:28] >>It seems like there either hasn't been

[1:15:38] Encouragement of that in the past,

[1:15:39] maybe even just a different visionOf

[1:15:42] how that looks at what that is, and so

[1:15:47] what you're saying is basically that

[1:15:48] encouragement occurs in the design phase

[1:15:52] of a new project and there's now

[1:15:53] direction to move away fromThe

[1:16:03] standard, which is a big parking lots

[1:16:04] in front and businesses and back.

[1:16:05] This is very much intended to do things

[1:16:06] at a human pedestrian scale.

[1:16:10] >>I appreciate that. You probably have

[1:16:11] a few other questionsBut I will wait

[1:16:17] till after the comments.

[1:16:18] >>Supervisor Madrone?

[1:16:19] >>Thank you.John, I want to, Some of

[1:16:24] the issues had to do a density building

[1:16:25] height and of course the wetlands were

[1:16:27] discussed through the six year process

[1:16:34] over and over. Is it true that the

[1:16:35] proposed zoning that we consider here

[1:16:36] todayActually reduces density from

[1:16:39] existing zoning?

[1:16:45] >>That is true.

[1:16:46] >>Is it also true that it reduces

[1:16:47] building height the existing zoning

[1:16:49] that exist today.

[1:16:50] Is also true.

[1:16:52] >>Those are important to recognize, it

[1:17:01] actually reduces these things compared

[1:17:02] to the existing zoning. On the wetlands

[1:17:04] , would you say from your professional

[1:17:05] opinion thatMost of the existing

[1:17:15] wetlands out there that are little

[1:17:16] pockets here and there that are mostly

[1:17:17] degraded wetlands, others of high

[1:17:18] quality ones, mostly they are degraded

[1:17:19] and they will be replaced at a 1.5:1

[1:17:26] ratio for the wetlands complex. Are you

[1:17:27] saying that's also true?

[1:17:28] >>That is true.I am not a wetlands

[1:17:39] biologist.

[1:17:40] >>Understood.

[1:17:41] >>We did walk the site with the

[1:17:42] wetlands biologist and with the

[1:17:43] scientist from the California Department

[1:17:44] Of fish and wildlife, the Micmac went

[1:17:45] out there on that trip. I believe you

[1:17:46] were there on that trip, I believe

[1:17:49] members of the public were there on

[1:17:50] that trip, so the biologist did point

[1:17:54] out where there were higher quality

[1:17:55] wetlandsAnd where there were lower

[1:17:57] quality wetlands, And that is really

[1:18:03] what started the discussion around the

[1:18:04] 14 acre set asideThose based upon that

[1:18:05] trailAnd having that discussion.

[1:18:15] >>Great, thank you for that. I think

[1:18:16] there's been a lot of misconceptions

[1:18:17] about the wetlands issue in the media,

[1:18:21] In social media, etc., were a lot of

[1:18:25] common survey that looters andKill off

[1:18:35] all landmasses. My understanding is the

[1:18:36] proposal would fill some wetlands but

[1:18:37] that they are to be replaced at a 1 1/2

[1:18:38] to 1 ratio, so there'll actually be

[1:18:40] more wetlands that exist now in terms

[1:18:41] of acreage and they would be all

[1:18:45] concentrated into what I consider as a

[1:18:46] wetlands expert very high quality

[1:18:49] wetlands complex in the Western thirdOf

[1:18:57] the developable area and furthermore,

[1:18:58] along Heller Road in McKinleyville

[1:18:59] Avenue, this being ditches that have a

[1:19:00] live streamRunning unit year round down

[1:19:06] to the railroad in McKinleyville Avenue

[1:19:07] which makes its way out to Hiller Park,

[1:19:08] Etc.The proposal is to actually pull

[1:19:16] that stream out of the ditches and run

[1:19:17] it through the wetlands complex which

[1:19:27] also has tremendous value to that

[1:19:28] complex in terms of habitat value,

[1:19:29] functionality, and all that. That also

[1:19:30] would provide an opportunityTo fill

[1:19:34] that existing ditch, the drain should

[1:19:35] be rerouted through the complex and by

[1:19:36] filling that ditch, curbs, gutters,

[1:19:43] sidewalks could be added to

[1:19:44] McKinleyville Avenue to complete what

[1:19:45] is the only missing section of the

[1:19:46] sidewalk on McKinleyville Avenue. So

[1:19:50] That also seems to be very positive

[1:19:51] aspectJust to clarify.

[1:19:55] >>That is true.

[1:20:00] >>Thank you very much.

[1:20:01] Before we go to supervisor Bohn

[1:20:08] >>You heard it on recording. I want to

[1:20:16] remind people on Zoom we are going to

[1:20:17] be going to public comment and that the

[1:20:18] zoom as you are listening is a little

[1:20:19] bit delayed, solicited to your device

[1:20:20] which would be her phone for the prompt

[1:20:21] from KayleeToI meet you, do not listen

[1:20:25] to your TVOr wherever you are streaming

[1:20:33] it, please turn that off, we are going

[1:20:34] to go to supervisor bold for a

[1:20:35] clarifying question to Director Ford.

[1:20:36] >>I will never beAn expert on anything,

[1:20:41] it's obvious.Baseball. Actually I was

[1:20:45] on the committee to build Hiller Park

[1:20:47] For five years, and that's been opened

[1:20:53] how many years, very successful, I

[1:20:54] remember that's with the town center

[1:20:55] startedIs when they sold the property

[1:20:57] from the old McKinleyville ParkAnd

[1:21:00] grandma Sullivan, sorry.I saw part fees,

[1:21:17] Is that going to be per unit?

[1:21:18] >>Yes.

[1:21:19] >>That will be quite substantial.

[1:21:20] >>Yes.

[1:21:21] The noise mitigation,We are saying 2 dB

[1:21:29] is it very much, but a lot of cannabis,

[1:21:30] a lot of everything else, one decibel

[1:21:31] was the end of the world.

[1:21:32] >>That's why significance.

[1:21:33] >>We usually use significant impacts as

[1:21:42] a weapon. We are not using them that

[1:21:46] way this time. I'm not against the life

[1:21:47] plan of Humboldt.I do like it could be

[1:21:52] 22 in use, but I did notice that at the

[1:21:53] end, another developerIs actually going

[1:21:57] to put 60 unitsOf workforce are low

[1:22:01] income housing, is that the way I

[1:22:06] understand it?

[1:22:07] >>43 units of workforce housing, yes.

[1:22:09] >>Okay. I know this is been going on

[1:22:10] for a while, I will bring it out, the

[1:22:12] McKayTractor bike tracks and everything

[1:22:22] else, that's 325 units, they started

[1:22:23] out as 327 family homes is down 100 and

[1:22:25] quarter.

[1:22:41] Putting it in realistic compared to

[1:22:42] Caltrans is the Heller Road interchange

[1:22:43] a possibility considering there is

[1:22:44] alreadyA pretty good significant amount

[1:22:45] of interchanges already, It looks like

[1:22:49] it's pretty narrow to put one in there

[1:22:50] without a lot of, I think it takes out

[1:22:53] a soccer field.

[1:23:00] >>I don't know that they are looking at

[1:23:01] the north side, I think it's only North

[1:23:02] offIn South on.

[1:23:03] >>Okay.

[1:23:06] >>I can't comment on what the

[1:23:07] likelihood of it is. It's still in the

[1:23:09] beginningPhases of discussion, I think

[1:23:12] there's

[1:23:17] >>Did they roll their eyes or clap

[1:23:18] their hands? I'm just wondering.Anyway,

[1:23:23] I don't know how possible it is.

[1:23:24] Obviously I am not an expert.And then

[1:23:33] are we commenting on the road?

[1:23:34] >>Sure.

[1:23:35] >>I would go to public comment, because

[1:23:36] I've got so many off-line phone calls.

[1:23:41] I spent a lot of time in McKinleyville

[1:23:42] and have a lot of friends up there and

[1:23:43] I've talked to a lot of the businesses

[1:23:44] The green section where the case may be

[1:23:52] , The business community doesn't seem

[1:23:53] to be relishing it quite as much.Time

[1:24:00] flies now, but it hasn't been that long

[1:24:01] ago, I remember the green pavement,

[1:24:02] that was the first place we useRead

[1:24:03] pavement that doesn't seem that long ago

[1:24:04] , And a lot of theLogic, in my terms,

[1:24:10] I've been here 71 years, product by an

[1:24:24] Lot of input into the traffic. Do we

[1:24:25] have a full-blown traffic study on

[1:24:26] this? I think the planning commission

[1:24:27] suggested that we have a full-blown

[1:24:28] traffic study.

[1:24:29] >>Yes, we do.

[1:24:30] >>Okay, so the planning commission was

[1:24:31] asking for something we already had?

[1:24:34] >>I am not sure how much there were. In

[1:24:36] fairness

[1:24:37] >>I would hope they would be aware of a

[1:24:43] lot of it.

[1:24:44] >>The Micmac, want to be fair here. The

[1:24:48] Micmac recognized that the operational

[1:24:49] analysisWould not be part of the CEQA

[1:24:52] analysis.But before they were willing

[1:24:55] to make a recommendationOn the overall

[1:24:58] town center, They wanted to know what

[1:25:01] the impacts of the road were. So we did

[1:25:06] that as part of the EIR.And so we

[1:25:11] provided it, they reviewed that, the

[1:25:12] little table I put up thereIs a table

[1:25:14] of the summary of the impacts on the

[1:25:16] intersectionsAndSo for the project area

[1:25:23] intersections, that's absolutely

[1:25:30] (INAUDIBLE). I think what they're

[1:25:31] looking for and interpreting some of

[1:25:32] the comments that were made in the

[1:25:33] planning commission is moreOf a

[1:25:34] systemic McKinleyville wide approach to

[1:25:36] traffic.And that wasn't the purpose of

[1:25:42] that study, But I'm not sure that you

[1:25:47] do something like thatUnless you are

[1:25:51] thinking traffic fees.

[1:25:52] >>Okay,And this doesn't mean to be any

[1:25:58] detriment to anything else, but we did

[1:25:59] a big bicycle lane or whatever on a

[1:26:01] Chennai Street, Which was a pretty

[1:26:04] major aspect, And I don't know what the

[1:26:06] results are.But I live in cotton, I

[1:26:11] travel that 2 to 3 times a day, And I

[1:26:23] have counted a total of 17 bikes. This

[1:26:24] is just me what I drive it, I keep

[1:26:25] track of my pickup, 17 bytes total, 11

[1:26:26] on the sidewalksIn J Street still gets

[1:26:29] a lot more traffic because everybody

[1:26:30] tells me why would you go down H and I

[1:26:35] when you can have J Street with wide

[1:26:36] lanes? I don't know if we can consider

[1:26:37] that a success.I don't see the success

[1:26:47] on one side, my issue is I am afraid

[1:26:48] for their restaurants and residents

[1:26:49] that are going to have another

[1:26:50] experiment that at the end goes, well,

[1:26:53] that doesn't work.

[1:26:54] >>I'm sorry, do you have a clarifying

[1:26:55] questionOr can we go to public comment

[1:27:03] and come back?

[1:27:04] >>Yes, I do. Do you think this is the

[1:27:05] best popular route, the road diet,

[1:27:06] there's a lot of speculation?

[1:27:07] >>SoIn short, I will say I think this is

[1:27:14] Then give it a lot of thought, I think

[1:27:15] that it has tremendous upside for the

[1:27:16] community.I've been a planner for more

[1:27:22] years that I feel comfortable sayingAnd

[1:27:26] As long as I have been a planner, This

[1:27:27] is been a discussionIn terms of moving

[1:27:31] away from the traditionalFour-lane

[1:27:36] high-speed arterial to slowing traffic

[1:27:37] downIn creating a more pedestrian scale

[1:27:45] For business and people who lived

[1:27:46] there. The communities that have done

[1:27:47] thatHave found their businesses are

[1:27:51] actually more successfulBecause people

[1:28:02] are just driving through very fast,

[1:28:03] they are now going there, they are

[1:28:04] stopping, they are staying, while they

[1:28:05] are staying, they are spending money.

[1:28:06] So many communities are making that

[1:28:07] switch.And so this is something to try

[1:28:10] to get aheadOf a town that has really

[1:28:13] grown upStarted this may be a wide spot

[1:28:21] in the road, and now wants to see a

[1:28:24] town center. So how do you begin to

[1:28:28] create a placeThat is an attraction

[1:28:39] point, that people want to come and

[1:28:40] be.

[1:28:41] >>With these improvements of the town

[1:28:42] center, I have one other question like

[1:28:44] this, with the video littleFinancial

[1:28:48] involvement like we ask of other

[1:28:59] Developments all the way through to

[1:29:00] even wedding venues we want them to

[1:29:01] make all the improvements to the road?

[1:29:02] Is there going to be due financial

[1:29:03] investment in there? The only other

[1:29:04] thing I ask is54 years ago, I remember

[1:29:10] With Callan ready to go horseback riding

[1:29:14] . I was like, I ride horses all the

[1:29:15] time. I lied. I remember running full

[1:29:21] blast hanging down the middle of

[1:29:22] Central Avenue, we just gone by the

[1:29:23] side that I was praying to God

[1:29:28] (INAUDIBLE), but is there still an

[1:29:29] equestrian trail to the east of central

[1:29:30] thatThis 20 foot wideThat would be

[1:29:35] accessible to use completely separate

[1:29:36] trafficAnd then the people use the

[1:29:38] arterials to come onAnd I don't know, I

[1:29:41] have been on it but like I said, that

[1:29:44] was a long time ago.

[1:29:45] >>Not aware of that, I'm going to

[1:29:53] address that first and then get back to

[1:29:54] your question on finances. I know there

[1:29:55] is still a bridal trail, crushed granite

[1:29:58] On the sidewalk that goes up central.I

[1:30:01] have seen one horse on itIt all the

[1:30:06] time I've been in McKinleyville.In

[1:30:10] fairness, I am a resident there.

[1:30:13] >>It should have been there 54 years

[1:30:14] ago.

[1:30:16] >>In terms of the finances,The

[1:30:20] Towncenter ordinance was very clearThat

[1:30:22] DevelopmentOf Central Avenue is not the

[1:30:26] responsibilityOf the property owners

[1:30:32] along Central Avenue. It needs to be

[1:30:33] done with alternative financing.

[1:30:40] >>Thanks, John.

[1:30:41] >>So there are plenty of seats, I see

[1:30:42] openIf people standing want to take a

[1:30:43] seats, you're welcome to stand, just

[1:30:54] want to remind everybody that you can

[1:30:55] probably be a long day of public

[1:30:56] comment, so if you feel comfortable

[1:30:57] trying to find a seat, that would be

[1:30:58] okayAnd then we have a couple more

[1:30:59] clarifying questions for board members

[1:31:00] and we will go to supervisor WilsonAnd

[1:31:05] then to supervisor Madrone, want to

[1:31:06] remind zoom again that that would be,

[1:31:16] public comment will come to zoom first

[1:31:17] and they will have folks line up in the

[1:31:18] room to make their public comment here

[1:31:19] in the room. Supervisor Wilson,

[1:31:20] clarifying only, please.

[1:31:21] >>This has to beWith the question from

[1:31:25] supervisor Madrone around the Haas

[1:31:26] housing density. This reduction in, if

[1:31:29] there's overall reductionI was just

[1:31:33] wondering if how that impactsOur arena

[1:31:36] and analysis? For anyone who doesn't

[1:31:46] know, that's regional housing needs

[1:31:47] allocations.

[1:31:48] >>Thank you for asking that, that was

[1:31:49] something we struggled with becauseWe

[1:31:52] were not allowed to take away the

[1:31:53] potential to build houses.What the

[1:31:58] justification given is is that by doing

[1:31:59] this on a comprehensive scaleIn

[1:32:03] addressing the whole area and

[1:32:04] addressing it with an environmental

[1:32:05] analysis,It actually makes development

[1:32:06] and housing easier, So all the

[1:32:09] potential is to hire, the actual

[1:32:12] ability is lowerFor people to come in

[1:32:17] to do it because they don't have a plan

[1:32:18] or an IRAnd they don't have a path

[1:32:20] forward.

[1:32:22] >>Just clarifying,Thinks that's a

[1:32:34] reasonable analysis?

[1:32:35] >>We haven't been challenged on that.

[1:32:36] >>Okay, were great, thank you.

[1:32:48] >>Supervisor Madrone?

[1:32:49] >>Thank you, chair. So the Hiller Road

[1:32:50] clarification, was contracted "contacted

[1:32:51] by Caltrans because they are preparing

[1:32:52] to do some retrofit work on pillars

[1:32:53] over past over Highway 102 "OverpassOn

[1:32:59] Highway 101. It dawned on me that if we

[1:33:00] could have a southbound on-ramp and

[1:33:02] northbound offramp at Hiller Road it

[1:33:05] would be a game changer for

[1:33:06] McKinleyville to have that accessRight

[1:33:11] there in the middle of the community

[1:33:12] and directly off filler where the town

[1:33:13] center is proposed to be built. So in

[1:33:15] that retrofit consideration we brought

[1:33:18] the counter is and Tom Manson, public

[1:33:21] works church was there as well as

[1:33:28] Representatives from the CST, it has a

[1:33:29] pipeline day off that bridge crossing

[1:33:31] over and this is a measureThere would

[1:33:39] be no impact to the pipeline, which was

[1:33:40] good to hear. Caltrans was extremely

[1:33:41] excited, the staff there sentWow,

[1:33:49] that's a great idea. The reason there

[1:33:50] aren't ramps right there is because

[1:33:51] it's too close to the school Road

[1:33:52] interchange in terms of there has to be

[1:33:53] a one-mile separationIn terms of design

[1:33:54] parameters for Caltrans, but just like

[1:34:09] for the true that her injury is repose

[1:34:10] and change of to Trinidad which is way

[1:34:11] closer than one while to the Trinidad

[1:34:12] interchange, Heller could get an

[1:34:13] exemption just like the one in Trinidad

[1:34:14] and so they are adding to their listTo

[1:34:15] consider look atDesign parameters, flow

[1:34:16] servers, second editionAnd so I wanted

[1:34:27] to share with the community Caltrans

[1:34:28] thought that was a very good suggestion

[1:34:29] and it would be doable just like the

[1:34:30] interchange and Trinidad has become

[1:34:35] doable. I wanted to clarify that,

[1:34:36] because again having that on an offer

[1:34:37] of right there in the middle of the town

[1:34:40] could be incredible and it can be done

[1:34:41] without taking the land. Would be a

[1:34:42] little moreExpensive to do a bridge

[1:34:44] like on-ramp and offramp. But it is

[1:34:56] total wolf "toady "totally feasible

[1:34:57] without taking private property. That

[1:34:58] was important to me and I wanted to

[1:34:59] share that that is the discussion that

[1:35:00] we had. Thank you.

[1:35:04] >>Supervisor Bohn?

[1:35:05] >>I agree with them, that would be the

[1:35:06] extreme game changer. Maybe it's as we

[1:35:16] are looking at this with you should get

[1:35:17] more of a commitment from Caltrans to

[1:35:18] be actually doing this, because they

[1:35:19] are looking at around about and eight

[1:35:20] elk River, I like a lot of things but

[1:35:21] actuallyActually instituting the team

[1:35:25] is an action is, in the near road "if

[1:35:30] Heller Road does get those off, and

[1:35:42] does make a big difference and maybe we

[1:35:43] don't need the road diet and all it

[1:35:44] would be amazing if we did them both

[1:35:45] and realize wide we do that, it's a

[1:35:46] bigger problem? I agree and thanks for

[1:35:47] that information.

[1:35:48] >>So I also, John, Tom is here, Our

[1:35:52] director for public works, I didn't

[1:35:53] know if theApplied to add anything??

[1:36:05] Good morning, Tom.

[1:36:06] >>And warning. So I looked at this in

[1:36:07] detail andThe suggested traffic

[1:36:13] improvements need to be done if you're

[1:36:14] going to do the road dietAnd the one

[1:36:18] thing that was brought up is the Hiller

[1:36:19] interchange, but it's generally

[1:36:20] interchangesIn the communities that

[1:36:29] become the property or the

[1:36:30] responsibility of the local agency to

[1:36:31] move through the system at Caltrans

[1:36:32] comes in later, so that would be

[1:36:33] something that we wouldIf the board so

[1:36:42] chose we would have to go probably

[1:36:43] through age, can get some funding to do

[1:36:44] the studies. Caltrans did commit that

[1:36:45] whatever work they do nowWill not

[1:36:50] preclude the on and off ramp, so that's

[1:36:51] as far as they have got on the study

[1:36:52] but as you probably see, Fortune is

[1:37:05] moving ahead with their interchange

[1:37:06] projects of the Caltrans Highway,

[1:37:07] Arcata is moving ahead with two of

[1:37:08] theirs, to rancheria is moving ahead in

[1:37:09] this day and age Caltrans doesn't do

[1:37:10] that kind of work anymore in the local

[1:37:15] agencies. It's generally the local

[1:37:16] agency that does that so just a word of

[1:37:17] caution on that, that is a game

[1:37:18] changer, I believe, we haven't done the

[1:37:19] traffic study, but that would make a

[1:37:20] very big change in the trafficAnd might

[1:37:21] even mitigate some of the other

[1:37:33] Recommendations that have come up if

[1:37:34] you go with the road diet. That's what

[1:37:35] I have to add. Thank you.

[1:37:36] Thank you, Tom. Supervisor Arroyo?

[1:37:51] >>We have had the half mile section of

[1:37:52] Central Avenue that we are talking

[1:37:53] about today.

[1:37:54] >>We did Central McKinleyville killer

[1:37:55] railroad, Murray.

[1:37:56] >>Thank you.

[1:38:02] >>Thank you, that's what I wanted to

[1:38:03] clarify, thanks.

[1:38:08] >>I have one clarifying question. You

[1:38:09] know most of the opposition I have seen

[1:38:10] is around the road diet. OppositionAnd

[1:38:12] for is around the road diet,If it is

[1:38:23] excluded what does that do to the

[1:38:24] project?

[1:38:25] >>I think from the standpoint ofMost of

[1:38:30] what's propose it does not have a big

[1:38:34] Change. We think the things that it

[1:38:37] does doIs that there's the opportunity

[1:38:43] here, and this is one of the things

[1:38:44] that the Micmac struggled with, the

[1:38:48] idea of place making,Want to have entity

[1:38:53] For the center "and identity. You want

[1:39:04] to have it be two-part or one, part of

[1:39:05] the desire was to create a better

[1:39:06] connection between the east and west

[1:39:07] side of Central to narrow that down a

[1:39:09] little bit, making pedestrian crossing

[1:39:10] will saferBut those are policies out of

[1:39:12] the community plan as well.Or do you

[1:39:17] want to haveIn arterial running through

[1:39:26] the middle of what's the town center?

[1:39:27] And then if you have that, then you

[1:39:28] really continue with the form-based

[1:39:29] code on the town center and what we end

[1:39:35] up happening is people aren't as likely

[1:39:36] to reinvest in those propertiesThat are

[1:39:37] all central.

[1:39:41] >>Okay. So we are going to go to public

[1:39:42] commentRight before I have a question

[1:39:44] for you, soAs an opportunity for an

[1:39:47] applicant, applicants to speak, and

[1:39:55] where would you like that process to

[1:39:56] happen?

[1:39:57] >>I think the applicant in this case is

[1:39:58] the county.

[1:39:59] >>Okay.

[1:40:00] There are property owners, but I would

[1:40:01] Recommend that you give everybodyAn

[1:40:05] equal amount of timeAnd if you wantTo

[1:40:11] ask property owners particular questions

[1:40:12] , that can be done.

[1:40:14] >>So the boardCan come back to ask

[1:40:19] clarifying questions of any public

[1:40:20] speaker. That will happen at the

[1:40:23] conclusion of public comment. So if one

[1:40:28] of the board members wants to bring

[1:40:29] some wood backup to the podium or on

[1:40:32] Zoom, that is going to be allowable

[1:40:35] actionFrom this board. To start with

[1:40:40] public comment, if the board is done,

[1:40:46] Is the board done, I have any work

[1:40:47] clarifying questions? Okay. So we are

[1:40:48] going to start, I ask that you back up

[1:40:49] just a little bit

[1:40:52] [LAUGHING]

[1:41:01] It's okay, we're going to go to Zoom

[1:41:02] first, and then will come to the

[1:41:03] podium, so we are going to start,

[1:41:04] Kaylee is going to manage our due

[1:41:05] process,So I will start with Kaylee.

[1:41:06] >>Thank you, share. Caller 7718, I will

[1:41:10] unmute you and you will have two

[1:41:11] minutes.

[1:41:23] >>I hope you can hear me, it's Kent

[1:41:24] Sawatzky calling from Mexico,

[1:41:28] (INAUDIBLE) taking the time to call

[1:41:29] him. I do not support at this time

[1:41:30] particularlyThe road diet, I hope

[1:41:36] (INAUDIBLE) you're basically putting

[1:41:38] the road died on the roads, Arranging

[1:41:43] old steroids and bulking up.Both of

[1:41:48] those would be a critical mistake.

[1:41:50] McKinleyville and its traffic area,

[1:41:54] it's kind of all the advantage of shock

[1:41:57] and awe.Four lanesDown the middle lane

[1:42:05] where you can utilize from lane to lane

[1:42:13] . I strongly suggest you move forward

[1:42:14] with the rest of this projectAnd

[1:42:16] (INAUDIBLE) studies(INAUDIBLE) your

[1:42:23] community services District. Thank you

[1:42:24] for my opportunity to speak.

[1:42:27] >>Thank you. Caller 4376, I will unmute

[1:42:33] you, and you will have two minutes.

[1:42:44] >>My name is Kelly Garrett, the

[1:42:46] ordinance represents a developmental

[1:42:50] health and safety in deviations from

[1:42:51] the general plan, They promise a town

[1:42:55] center and delivered something far

[1:43:00] less, no coordinated transportation

[1:43:01] plan, no civic space and noProtection

[1:43:04] of wetlands or the rural character.This

[1:43:10] It begins and ends with transparency,

[1:43:11] the Micmac (INAUDIBLE) task force

[1:43:14] public Mohs notice,The public had far

[1:43:22] less than 72 hours to review. Even the

[1:43:23] public records and been months ago to

[1:43:27] Document the policy of unanswered

[1:43:34] Addressing. PEIR was pushed forward by

[1:43:47] the public who had a chance to respond

[1:43:48] and the ordinance was 6.4 required bent

[1:43:49] wetlands built prior to subdivision

[1:43:50] directly cuts the protections of policy

[1:43:51] 15 in the community plan while Publix

[1:44:01] Has fixated on the road diet, there is

[1:44:02] a relocation clause without a hearing,

[1:44:03] that's not planning, that's avoiding

[1:44:04] peer can can still be received, I asked

[1:44:05] the boardToRelease the wetland caused

[1:44:07] certified the SBIRFor wetlands

[1:44:12] relocationAnd project development and

[1:44:19] require at least 1 acreOf space of the

[1:44:22] town center actually serves the

[1:44:24] community. Thank you.

[1:44:34] >>Wesley, can I have you kind of curve

[1:44:35] around some people that are outside can

[1:44:36] come in and hear the public comments?

[1:44:37] There you go, thanks so much.Come

[1:44:38] forward so you can hear the public

[1:44:39] comments, that way we are not repeat a

[1:44:40] bunch of stuff.Everybody will have an

[1:44:44] opportunity for public comment, even if

[1:44:50] you are seated and decide you want to,

[1:44:51] you can pop up and come forward. That's

[1:44:58] not a problem, okay? We will continue

[1:44:59] with zoom.

[1:45:00] >>Caller 3386, I will unmute you and

[1:45:01] you will have two minutes.

[1:45:20] >>Hello, this is (INAUDIBLE), I am a

[1:45:21] resident of McKinleyville, I know a few

[1:45:22] of you on board there, I've seen Elise

[1:45:23] a couple of people in the audience

[1:45:26] Online that I know.I am unsure

[1:45:31] actually, I'm pretty much against

[1:45:32] narrowing downCentral Avenue, and I

[1:45:37] would like to know how much

[1:45:38] consideration has been given to

[1:45:39] adjusting trafficIn a wayThat's been

[1:45:53] doing on Central, on Miller, Pickett,

[1:45:54] McKinleyville Avenue, and Railroad

[1:45:55] Drive, creating that spaceWith the

[1:45:58] walkable area rather than Central

[1:45:59] Avenue,. Some considerations need to be

[1:46:12] done to make that a more walkable

[1:46:13] crossover, but I really, I am inferior

[1:46:15] in favor of creating a reallyBuying

[1:46:19] town center area. But I get that taking

[1:46:28] a look at some of these other roads is

[1:46:29] the option create that would be an

[1:46:31] impossible experience.How is added

[1:46:44] traffic and what is that when new to

[1:46:45] the site plan the wall area, we were

[1:46:46] going to get a lot of additional

[1:46:47] traffic going through there as well.

[1:46:48] That's primarily what I wanted to talk

[1:46:49] about their. There's other comments I

[1:46:52] can make. I'm personally in favor of

[1:46:56] adding a duck pond for the wetlands,

[1:46:59] Walkable duck pond or something. I know

[1:47:17] that's a whole other can of worms,

[1:47:18] that's all I've got, thank you.

[1:47:19] >>Thank you, caller 3678, I will unmute

[1:47:21] you, and you will have two minutes.

[1:47:38] >>Hello, my name is Jennifer call and I

[1:47:39] live in McKinleyville. First I want to

[1:47:40] thank everyone who was involved in

[1:47:41] adding the bike lanesOn Heller Road

[1:47:44] which I wrote on yesterday to go to the

[1:47:45] grocery store.I saw mom with the young

[1:47:52] kid biking on that road. Supercool,

[1:48:14] thank you. I want to thank the McMackin

[1:48:15] County staff for putting so much time

[1:48:16] and effort into this ordinance for the

[1:48:17] past six years in the community members

[1:48:18] to help develop this. It's not perfect,

[1:48:19] I would like to see some different

[1:48:20] things, but I really urge the board to

[1:48:21] adopt the McKinleyville Towncenter

[1:48:22] ordinance as written. It reflects

[1:48:23] Collaboration and compromise achieved

[1:48:24] after many public hearings. I've

[1:48:25] listened lived inMcKinleyville since

[1:48:26] 1972 and I was thrilled whenBackSo

[1:48:33] (INAUDIBLE) what we are dealing with

[1:48:34] now on Central Avenue is the cumulative

[1:48:35] effects of individual subdivisions that

[1:48:42] the county approved without considering

[1:48:43] traffic impacts, And somebody said at

[1:48:46] the last hearing the planning

[1:48:47] commission hearingThat it's Broadway in

[1:48:51] Eureka and we really don't need that in

[1:49:00] McKinleyville, we need a safe way to

[1:49:01] walk and bike. The central Avenue

[1:49:02] redesign will be good for businesses

[1:49:03] and for people who live and work in

[1:49:04] McKinleyville. Even if you drive you

[1:49:08] become a pedestrian the minute you step

[1:49:09] out of your car, so please support the

[1:49:10] mix Max "BRIC's recommendation and the

[1:49:14] ordinance has written. Thank you very

[1:49:15] much. "BRIC's "BRIC's "Micmac's.

[1:49:16] >>Next color, you will have two minutes.

[1:49:43] >>Hi Matt, this is Carol (INAUDIBLE), I

[1:49:44] am a McKinleyville resident. I want to

[1:49:45] say to McMackinSupervisors, thank you

[1:49:48] for a really great discussion. I want to

[1:49:51] Say that I am 100%In support of a place

[1:49:56] making for McKinleyville.The strategies

[1:49:59] that are going into it, Over years of

[1:50:04] publicInput and study is incredible. I

[1:50:10] moved to this area a couple of years

[1:50:11] ago from the South Bay, Where I saw like

[1:50:15] What is being done inCamino Real,To try

[1:50:21] and make that a place making effort, I

[1:50:29] know it's been done in (INAUDIBLE), I

[1:50:30] just want a number of cities is that

[1:50:31] haveDone traffic calming measures which

[1:50:35] is bit that people do stay in the

[1:50:38] community, they don't leaveAnd what

[1:50:45] Central Avenue is right now is a good

[1:50:46] example of those, It's a highway to the

[1:50:56] City, where pedestrian schoolchildren

[1:50:57] and people want to get out of their cars

[1:51:01] , we have a lovely area, will have a

[1:51:02] lot of climate refugees coming to the

[1:51:03] area, And we really need to support

[1:51:09] People being outside of a car, Set your

[1:51:14] sort of viewpoint.What I heard today is

[1:51:19] there's a lot of research being done is

[1:51:22] start traffic so that as well and that

[1:51:24] from the wetlands planAnd I am someone

[1:51:28] that works both in energy and

[1:51:29] environment, Experts have concern

[1:51:35] confirm that the plan that is in place

[1:51:36] as a great plan and even betterAnd what

[1:51:37] is currently available.

[1:51:45] >>Apologies, your time has run out. I

[1:51:47] am moving to the next caller.8336, will

[1:51:56] unmute you, and you will have two

[1:51:57] minutes.

[1:52:21] Caller 8336, you have been unmuted.You

[1:52:31] can try to press *6 if it's not working.

[1:52:52] Okay, chair, that is all I have on Zoom.

[1:52:56] >>Can you hear me?

[1:52:57] >>Yes, I can hear you.

[1:52:58] >>Oh my goodness, that was an ordeal.

[1:53:00] Thank you. Here goes.I am not aloneIn

[1:53:09] wondering if the we can leave it will

[1:53:11] advisory committee and planning

[1:53:12] committeeHave carried any real weights

[1:53:17] at all. Many eventsAt the Towncenter

[1:53:23] plan have a small percentage because

[1:53:24] they signed up forAffordable housing

[1:53:33] units. Director Ford told Micmac this

[1:53:34] is a very complicated difficult issue

[1:53:35] and should be table for another time.

[1:53:39] We disagreed stating that California

[1:53:40] has templates designed for various

[1:53:41] counties to do this easily. Within 6000

[1:53:42] people that are going to be movingInto

[1:53:44] McKinleyvilleDon't have that time to

[1:53:48] waste. We can Louisville, A quick table

[1:53:52] district, anyway, we were annoyed. Can

[1:53:57] leave 16,000 people, But less than 1%

[1:54:06] of the population who participated

[1:54:07] here, that's concerning, especially

[1:54:08] since 33% increasedThe room of theAnd

[1:54:11] now living and working in the town

[1:54:20] center. From my recollection of reading

[1:54:21] about this project, this plan was

[1:54:22] largely an addendum to the developer's

[1:54:23] original requestIn life plan. I have

[1:54:24] heard the way it's done, approval first

[1:54:43] , make adjustments. We, the public, are

[1:54:44] asking for adjustments and the

[1:54:45] developer is requesting full

[1:54:46] ministerial control and that is an

[1:54:47] extremely irresponsible plan given the

[1:54:48] size and nature of this project. Please

[1:54:49] allow life plans, that's not a

[1:54:50] question. But justAdded projects,That

[1:54:53] needs to be a new Prague Jack. Humboldt

[1:54:57] County is now considered climate Haven,

[1:55:13] It's growing, that's inevitable, but if

[1:55:14] you want your input there's a trust

[1:55:15] issue as to whether we will be heard.

[1:55:16] For the record

[1:55:17] >>Sorry, you have run out of time, I am

[1:55:18] moving to the next caller, 4509, you

[1:55:19] will be unmuted and have two minutes.

[1:55:36] >>In morning, can you hear me?

[1:55:37] >>Yes.

[1:55:48] >>Hi Matt, thank you for the two

[1:55:49] minutes. My name is Sequoia husband, I

[1:55:50] live in McKinleyville, I have lived

[1:55:51] here since the early 90s back, raise my

[1:55:52] children here and I am callingTo

[1:55:53] understand a little bit moreAboutThe

[1:55:57] development I've been trying to plug in.

[1:56:03] Was confusing we could, if I can get

[1:56:04] some clarity or understanding of the

[1:56:05] timelineAt this development, is this

[1:56:14] something that is supposed to be

[1:56:15] developed prior to the Townsend

[1:56:16] development or something developed

[1:56:17] along with? Because I feel like if it's

[1:56:24] something that doesn't have any pride

[1:56:25] hard to release or understand how this

[1:56:26] reduction of the roads will work in

[1:56:27] stateBut possibly really doing since.

[1:56:34] As far as her being creative, it would

[1:56:38] with the changes they are making. I

[1:56:39] like the idea of slowing down the

[1:56:40] traffic and walk ability and how it

[1:56:42] could create this community center, But

[1:56:53] not by creating congestion which is the

[1:56:54] way it is right now, it just seems like

[1:56:55] it will create congestion.I think the

[1:57:00] Heller Road discussion is something

[1:57:01] that seems like it's ideal(INAUDIBLE)

[1:57:07] and housing looks, wantSincerity around

[1:57:11] the Taliban of the road diet and then

[1:57:14] the only other thing I really want to

[1:57:15] ask to get information on would be how,

[1:57:23] That has the isPeople in community have

[1:57:29] been looking into his dollars Inc. for

[1:57:31] the situation with theHow much money is

[1:57:36] that we get to the Neighborhood so much

[1:57:44] (INAUDIBLE).

[1:57:45] >>Your time has run out and that is all

[1:57:50] of zoom.

[1:57:51] >>We will give youOne more chance on

[1:57:58] Zoom to raise your hand. If your

[1:57:59] listing on your phone and you want to

[1:58:00] make a comment, please raise your hand.

[1:58:07] >>Caller 4615, I will meet you and you

[1:58:08] will have two minutes. "Unmute

[1:58:13] >>Is it on?

[1:58:15] >>Yes.

[1:58:18] >>Dennis Mayo, McKinleyville. First off,

[1:58:23] a lot of things about safety, safety,

[1:58:24] central AvenueSupport the town center

[1:58:30] concept, all the work you guys are

[1:58:31] doing there, have at it. Central Avenue

[1:58:34] Was rated by the insurance agencies

[1:58:37] Association of CaliforniaAs the fifth

[1:58:40] safest BoulevardOf its traffic in "The

[1:58:50] fifth safestIn California. On the west

[1:58:55] side, get rid of the ridiculous bridal

[1:59:00] path. The damn thing has never worked.

[1:59:06] Remove that path, wide that out, to

[1:59:07] reduce the vegetation somewhat, you

[1:59:09] have plenty of accessOf people with

[1:59:14] modality issues that go over onto,

[1:59:19] That's the side, I apologize. On the

[1:59:20] west side, fix the sidewalks. Just

[1:59:23] spend some time, fixes sidewalks,

[1:59:26] you're going to have everything you need

[1:59:27] if you will doAndEntranceTo the

[1:59:43] (INAUDIBLE) I will tell you why did the

[1:59:44] BRIC vote in a split vote for the three

[1:59:48] lanes, because they ignore public.

[1:59:57] People did not like it, do not like it,

[1:59:58] and that's a bad deal. We helped create

[1:59:59] that MicmacSo you would listen to the

[2:00:00] public, notTake off on their own

[2:00:05] specific agendas. Okay?Let's see, is

[2:00:14] there anything else? How much time do I

[2:00:15] have, seven seconds, thank you, I hope

[2:00:16] you will consider my comments.

[2:00:24] >>Thank you. That is all, chair.

[2:00:25] >>Okay, I'm going to close public

[2:00:26] comment on the zoom and we are going to

[2:00:27] start within the room. Please come

[2:00:28] forward, good morning.From a good

[2:00:32] morning, Madam Chair and members. Been

[2:00:33] a long time, butLooking where I sat for

[2:00:43] 10 years where you sit, it's good to be

[2:00:44] back in the Board of Supervisors

[2:00:45] chambers, I am Wesley chess borough, a

[2:00:46] resident of McKinleyville and my wife

[2:00:47] and owner are "Wife and I are property

[2:00:52] owners in McKinleyville. I support the

[2:00:53] Micmac and the plan they have

[2:00:54] recommended, it's been unanimously

[2:01:03] adopted with the planning commission

[2:01:04] with regards to high density housing

[2:01:05] and with regard to traffic calming. I

[2:01:06] drive up and down central almost every

[2:01:07] day to go to the post office or the

[2:01:08] grocery store or church, I am willing

[2:01:09] to sacrificeMy time going into the

[2:01:13] shopping center if it makes the "If it

[2:01:22] brings safety. I was pulling up in the

[2:01:23] right-hand lane with one of those

[2:01:24] flashing safety crosswalks were two

[2:01:25] teenagers were walking outAnd to my

[2:01:39] horror looked at my left hand mirrors,

[2:01:40] racing forward he didn't see the

[2:01:41] teenagers, they didn't see me and those

[2:01:42] teenagers escape death by a couple of

[2:01:43] inches right in front of me. As one of

[2:01:44] the most horrifying driving experiences

[2:01:45] I've ever had.So there is no reason why

[2:01:46] the thorough fare for the McKinleyville

[2:01:47] has to have the same widthAs South

[2:01:50] Broadway, Highway 101 with the 10 times

[2:01:51] the amount of traffic. A lot of people

[2:01:53] are saying slow us down, that's the

[2:01:58] point, to slow it down. We have many

[2:01:59] disabledPeople including my wife in

[2:02:09] McKinleyville who need to get across

[2:02:10] Central Avenue and it is a challenge. I

[2:02:11] am here to advocate for a more complete

[2:02:12] community and a safer community,

[2:02:15] municipal advisory committee to put

[2:02:16] years worth of work and I support what

[2:02:17] they have a topicAnd what the planning

[2:02:22] commission has unanimously

[2:02:23] recommendation "recommended.

[2:02:24] >>Thank you.

[2:02:25] >>Good morning. Brenda Rosoff, LIFO

[2:02:28] McKinleyvilleResident peer, against

[2:02:33] this road diet.When this was done a

[2:02:37] couple of years ago, we hadConstruction

[2:02:42] on Central Avenue, Central Avenue at

[2:02:43] different times was down to one, I'm

[2:02:46] sorry, two, sometimes three lanes.When

[2:02:50] we came home we were backed up onto the

[2:02:51] freeway.I'm going to take 299, come up

[2:02:56] Azalea, get bank car all scratched up.

[2:02:59] This plan can't go forwardAn Pete until

[2:03:19] you do the professional comprehensive

[2:03:20] traffic study, the current one. The

[2:03:21] last one you did has been thrown around

[2:03:22] by Micmac when it benefits them but

[2:03:23] it's been thrown out when it doesn't

[2:03:24] benefit them. By understanding, I

[2:03:25] looked at it, I did not recommend the

[2:03:26] road diet. That was not their

[2:03:27] recommendation.

[2:03:28] Let's see here.Edge of the sidewalk,

[2:03:29] yesterday, to wear thoseShrubs are, is

[2:03:33] just under 19 feet. Thanks of the out

[2:03:38] put a little cement barrier in.We got

[2:03:44] tons of room to work with that right

[2:03:45] there. Right now, we don't even have

[2:03:46] the two lanes. When I go home and I'm

[2:03:55] going to Saturday night, the traffic is

[2:03:56] already backed up in the one of the

[2:03:57] lanes and it gets pretty far backed up.

[2:03:58] You're going to create a horrible

[2:03:59] bottleneck. Older folks can even get

[2:04:04] across there right now. They will never

[2:04:05] get across. Going down from four lanes

[2:04:06] to two lanes of the little strangeI

[2:04:15] haven't even gotten number two yet. I'm

[2:04:16] totally against the spiritPeer

[2:04:41] >>I'm sorry.

[2:04:42] >>In morning, ma'am. Payment hi Matt,

[2:04:43] good morning.

[2:04:44] >>I am and Lindsay, President of life

[2:04:45] land and a McKinley mill resident

[2:04:46] there's some life plan Humboldt

[2:04:47] supporters who may not be able to.

[2:04:48] >>Please address the board.

[2:04:49] >>, I want plan supporters to raise

[2:04:51] their hands because they may not all

[2:04:52] get a chance to speak.We actually

[2:04:54] reported 10,000 volunteer hours the

[2:04:58] last two and half years was a real

[2:04:59] community project. I have regularly

[2:05:09] attended the Micmac for the last 3 1/2

[2:05:10] years since life plan Humboldt set our

[2:05:11] sights on building a vibrant senior

[2:05:12] community in the McKinleyville

[2:05:13] Towncenter, And alongsideAnn, we plan

[2:05:17] for community and following the plan

[2:05:18] including wetland management and

[2:05:20] enhancement will become an economic

[2:05:28] driver for the future town center

[2:05:29] development. We made a partnership of

[2:05:30] rural community housing for senior

[2:05:31] affordable or low income housing, so it

[2:05:32] meetsA real need in the community and

[2:05:35] thus in an effort of the goal of the

[2:05:39] board all along. There is no other

[2:05:40] developmentThat is had searched the

[2:05:49] whole town centers at such attention

[2:05:50] from citizens, and surpassing any

[2:05:51] design review committee that I've ever

[2:05:52] heard of.. ParticipantsOur stage for

[2:06:00] public input. I urge you to follow the

[2:06:10] recommendations, the planning

[2:06:11] commission, Micmac, and the planning

[2:06:12] department, certified the EIR,Support

[2:06:15] the ordinance, have courage, we want to

[2:06:16] get the development going. Thank you.

[2:06:41] Good morning, sir.

[2:06:42] >>I am Charles Perkins from

[2:06:43] McKinleyville. I strongly support the

[2:06:44] town plan and the road diet. My

[2:06:45] grandkids walked down Central Avenue to

[2:06:46] go to school and it's scary. I do all

[2:06:47] my shopping there and I sprinted across

[2:06:48] Central Avenue many times and it's

[2:06:49] scary. Something should've been done 30

[2:06:50] years ago and I strongly supportIt be

[2:06:57] done now. Beyond that, if McKinleyville

[2:06:58] is going to become a town as is being

[2:06:59] discussed, proper town, he needs to

[2:07:00] have an identity. We're not going to

[2:07:01] have a whole town but even Trinidad

[2:07:02] Blue Lake have a sense of identity and

[2:07:04] the road diet is essential to create

[2:07:05] that. I'm convinced that when you do

[2:07:07] thingsIt increases. I strongly support

[2:07:26] their road diet and I hope you will

[2:07:27] approve it.

[2:07:28] >>Thank you, good morning.

[2:07:29] >>Hi, my name is Kathleen Clark and I

[2:07:30] am a resident of McKinleyville. I used

[2:07:31] to live on Dallas PrairieIn the 1890s

[2:07:34] and now I live off Hammond Trail and I

[2:07:35] am a huge supporter of life plan. I

[2:07:36] grew up in San JoseAnd it's kind of not

[2:07:43] different from humble. It started off

[2:07:44] agricultural and there are some parts

[2:07:45] that try to retain that identity. It is

[2:08:02] (INAUDIBLE) they had a lot of

[2:08:03] congestion and erode diet, 15, 20 years

[2:08:04] ago. Transform the neighborhood and

[2:08:07] people that were initially very fearful

[2:08:08] of it and objected to it have turned

[2:08:11] into huge supporters because it

[2:08:12] enlivened the neighborhood, the

[2:08:16] businesses thrive, restaurants now live

[2:08:17] for places their property values have

[2:08:18] gone up. Other communities in the

[2:08:23] outlying areas all want to replicate it

[2:08:25] , Los Gatos, Saratoga, The east side of

[2:08:34] San Jose, they find it makes for safer

[2:08:35] streets, it makes for, gives a sense of

[2:08:36] identity to the area, And I just want

[2:08:41] to reassure people that it's scary and

[2:08:42] I was initially one of the objectors in

[2:08:43] San JoseAnd I'm grateful not to look

[2:08:45] back on it and seeWhat an incredible

[2:08:50] place it is nowAnd McKinley villas

[2:08:59] trying to achieve something similar.

[2:09:00] >>Thank you, good morning, sir.

[2:09:02] >>Yes, board, thank you for being here,

[2:09:04] Director Madsen, Especially you. John

[2:09:21] Ford, thank you for saying in our

[2:09:22] community. We recognize you live in

[2:09:23] McKinleyville. Unmuted history about

[2:09:25] Planning of "let me give you planning of

[2:09:32] Central Avenue. I was selected by this

[2:09:33] board back in 2015, and we worked

[2:09:34] tirelessly for four yearsBeginning

[2:09:40] Central Avenue the way we wanted. Herve

[2:09:41] came to the table on that.. Now we want

[2:09:47] to change? How did the essential Avenue

[2:09:49] get tied up in this EIR?Okay, when I

[2:10:00] was on the Micmac, our priorities were

[2:10:01] safety. We helpedProgressOf Measure Z.

[2:10:05] Okay? We took on Central Avenue. We did

[2:10:09] safe route to schools, which is been

[2:10:10] dropped. Go around our schoolsSee how

[2:10:19] our roads and sidewalks are. We began

[2:10:20] in the town ordinance is a priority.

[2:10:39] But that was in our priority. Four

[2:10:40] years of planning, Tom Madsen, thank

[2:10:41] you, you are there at many meetings,

[2:10:42] our county planning, everybody was

[2:10:43] there, plenty of meetings and now we

[2:10:44] are trying to reverse this. Okay,I have

[2:10:45] worked for SH M for 45 years, I have

[2:10:48] been involved in these projects, EIR's

[2:10:49] traffic studies. You guysWhat are you

[2:10:51] thinking.

[2:11:00] >>Thank you, sir. Hi Matt, good morning.

[2:11:05] >>And willing. When, A lifelong

[2:11:10] resident of McKinleyville, went to

[2:11:11] school there, were was raise their work

[2:11:16] there is a superintendent of northern

[2:11:17] Humboldt years and just retired from

[2:11:24] Cal poly Humboldt. I am only here to

[2:11:25] speak about the road diet. There are

[2:11:26] certain things about it, Individuals,

[2:11:32] the question is how does it Central

[2:11:33] Avenue get tied up in this and the fact

[2:11:34] isIn regards to that. Bios is the smart

[2:11:42] phone "At the park were saying it

[2:11:57] basically makes no sense whatsoever. I

[2:11:58] talked to two or three business

[2:11:59] members, they are completely opposed. I

[2:12:00] think before you jump on this Central

[2:12:01] Avenue move, again, we are going to

[2:12:10] Bring 6000 more people, whatever,

[2:12:11] great, you know what I mean? The point

[2:12:12] is you don't decrease the roads and the

[2:12:13] size of the road to take care of the

[2:12:14] new 6000 people nearby's got two cars,

[2:12:15] right?So I would just again thank you

[2:12:16] for listening to meAnd I am opposed to

[2:12:21] deletion of any of those lanes. Thank

[2:12:22] you.

[2:12:24] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:12:25] >>In morning.My name is Lori Shepard, a

[2:12:34] 30+ year resident of McKinleyville and

[2:12:35] I've been asked to read a couple of

[2:12:36] statements improvement in the air. The

[2:12:39] first is from Frank Maguire, his

[2:12:40] famously the north bank road, I've

[2:12:55] worked for (INAUDIBLE) for 25 years, 15

[2:12:56] were in the (INAUDIBLE) Avenue. It used

[2:12:57] to be known as the crash meets because

[2:12:58] there were so many accidents prior to

[2:12:59] the alteration that added lanes north

[2:13:00] and south and the addition of

[2:13:01] stoplights in a bicycle lane. Those

[2:13:02] changes reduce serious traffic accident

[2:13:05] , Sharing to each directional creates

[2:13:14] serious congestion and increase

[2:13:15] accidents from 7 to 9 AM from 330 to 6

[2:13:16] PM,. Accidents will increase. The road

[2:13:33] died is in the midst of (INAUDIBLE).

[2:13:34] This road diet would impede emergency

[2:13:35] response from the fire station and from

[2:13:36] the Humboldt County Sheriff substation,

[2:13:49] there is even a school in the middle of

[2:13:50] the planned area. Traffic from

[2:13:51] businesses and post office which are

[2:13:52] often very crowded are very close to

[2:13:53] the emergency response stations.

[2:13:54] Imagine fire police agencies and

[2:13:55] emergency responders from McKinleyville

[2:13:56] and outlying areasTrying to get through

[2:14:01] traffic during a disaster. Lives could

[2:14:02] be lost. The other one is from Diane

[2:14:03] Eric McGuire, it's similar, I don't

[2:14:04] think I can read it all and get it in

[2:14:05] time, I would like to addThere are many

[2:14:06] of us who do not live in areas of

[2:14:07] McKinleyville that are walkable or bike

[2:14:08] will, the awful Azalea Road, have a

[2:14:11] mountain bike, and he bank, I can't get

[2:14:14] to the town center without aEndangering

[2:14:16] myLife. Fix the other roads first, they

[2:14:22] don't help anybody.

[2:14:23] >>Thank you.

[2:14:44] >>Good morning, I am Alyssa Smith, I am

[2:14:45] a lifelong resident of McKinley County.

[2:14:46] Rex, I appreciate it, was one of the

[2:14:47] first committee members for Eller Park

[2:14:48] construction, I believe it because I

[2:14:49] moved to blue Lake for a few years and

[2:14:50] we surveyed the town of McKinleyville

[2:14:51] in my time there and what we

[2:14:52] overwhelmingly heard was McKinleyville

[2:15:03] did not want to town center, they did

[2:15:04] not want a bunch of high density

[2:15:05] growth, they wanted single-family

[2:15:06] growth and some slower growth. You have

[2:15:07] now shamelessly burned McKinleyville

[2:15:08] for over 30 years with high density

[2:15:09] housing. I left off of Sutter Road,

[2:15:10] turn off of it everyday. Whatever the

[2:15:11] interpretation here is not, it's

[2:15:12] getting more and more difficult to turn

[2:15:13] on the Miro when I come home like so

[2:15:17] many people experience when they did

[2:15:18] shed them to to send of Central Avenue.

[2:15:19] I got trapped on the highway because

[2:15:20] traffic was backed up from hardwoodTo

[2:15:21] Highway 101. Regularly. I felt in

[2:15:23] danger and saying on the highwayNobody

[2:15:36] in this town supports the road diet. We

[2:15:37] understand growth will happen, most are

[2:15:38] against this town center. I have been

[2:15:39] and sat in onMale meetings and they

[2:15:43] disregarded a Lenovo. The committee

[2:15:52] itself is appointed by you.It was

[2:16:02] headed by a Pearson employee. It feels

[2:16:03] like you're not being honest, you're

[2:16:04] not with the honest with the community

[2:16:07] community for Heller Park years ago,

[2:16:08] because you came out and told everybody

[2:16:09] of all also a lot of growth. That is

[2:16:13] not what the town said. It was any of

[2:16:14] you. I know a lot ofPeople in

[2:16:15] McKinleyville, they have been here my

[2:16:24] whole life and they are very opposed to

[2:16:25] this. We understand the development

[2:16:26] will happen, this road diet needs to go

[2:16:27] away.

[2:16:28] >>Thank you.Hi Matt, good morning.

[2:16:32] >>And moaning. Llamas are a black. I've

[2:16:40] been arrested in Arcata for over 25

[2:16:41] years. As a boardOf life plan Humboldt,

[2:17:01] The (INAUDIBLE)Is essential for life

[2:17:07] plan Humboldt moving forward. Life plan

[2:17:08] Humboldt is a nonprofitWith time bound

[2:17:18] Funding. Success will be threatened by

[2:17:19] further delayIn the schedule.Life plan

[2:17:24] Humboldt has been planning and gaining

[2:17:25] support in the local community for over

[2:17:26] five yearsAnd is ready to start the

[2:17:29] building processOnce the EIR and the

[2:17:34] Towncenter ordinance is approved.The

[2:17:39] most prudentDecision you can make is if

[2:17:44] you are in doubt aboutWhat to do about

[2:17:47] the red diet, Delay that decision.

[2:17:51] Delay the decisionOf the road dietUntil

[2:18:00] you can do a traffic study, etc. But go

[2:18:01] forward with the EIR and the town center

[2:18:02] Ordinance. That's essential.Delay can

[2:18:09] very much negatively affectThe

[2:18:12] development. Thank you so much.

[2:18:31] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:18:32] >>Good morning, board. I'm Greg Mauro

[2:18:33] Porcini, I am a resident of the

[2:18:34] community services District 535 years

[2:18:35] of experience in the public sector.

[2:18:36] Full disclosure, I am on the Board of

[2:18:37] Directors for life plan Humboldt and

[2:18:39] McKinleyville community services

[2:18:40] District, I spent from 2012 to this

[2:18:41] past February on Micmac also.A lot of

[2:18:42] what I had planned to sayWas already

[2:18:44] brought upBy aerosol, I am not going to

[2:18:50] talk about those things, but to

[2:18:51] reiterate what he saidAnd support what

[2:18:56] he said. My concern is related to I will

[2:19:04] Road diet part of it. I think the board

[2:19:05] is an Presbytery year, you can

[2:19:07] bifurcate the road diet part of the

[2:19:09] process and still passThe rest of the Q

[2:19:14] ZoneFor the town center, I would highly

[2:19:19] support that. The road dietWill not be

[2:19:23] in a vacuum, it's going to have effects

[2:19:28] in all McKinleyville, all is fairly

[2:19:29] roads in McKinleyville. A lot of the

[2:19:34] issues with Central Avenue are not

[2:19:35] related to traffic control. It's bad

[2:19:40] behavior. You're going to be shunting

[2:19:41] that bad behavior onto our roadsAre our

[2:19:47] residents live in the neighborhoods and

[2:19:48] make it if you think the central Avenue

[2:19:52] On the ball(INAUDIBLE) thank you very

[2:19:58] much.

[2:19:59] >>Thank you. Good morning. Please come

[2:20:00] forward.

[2:20:01] >>Good morning.My name is Sylvia

[2:20:07] Mitchell, Ima McKinley bill resident

[2:20:08] and my household is opposed to the road

[2:20:09] diet plan.Changes to Central Avenue

[2:20:13] will affect McKinleyville's unique

[2:20:14] character for generations. Central

[2:20:20] Avenue and its shops are part of

[2:20:21] McKinleyville's practical identity and

[2:20:22] using traffic accessIs needed for

[2:20:28] businesses to be successful. A lower

[2:20:29] speed limit and the speed bumps would

[2:20:37] be substantially less expensive than

[2:20:38] restructuring the driving lanes, the

[2:20:39] bicycle lanes need clear and regular

[2:20:40] paintingBudgeted. Some white posts and

[2:20:43] barriers in the crosswalks need more

[2:20:44] intensePainting and signaling.

[2:20:49] McKinleyville hasWalking areas that are

[2:20:53] already here, The Midtown trails

[2:20:59] extended to the south, it would be the

[2:21:00] envy of it is. Passing through the

[2:21:11] developments with tributaries to the

[2:21:12] existing shopping plaza, the CEQA farm

[2:21:13] stand, the hardwood trail and on to

[2:21:14] school Road in the mad River Trail,

[2:21:16] pain trails through the west side ofSet

[2:21:24] town would be family-friendly into

[2:21:25] place for tourists. The new Heller Road

[2:21:26] project is a great example of what

[2:21:28] could be done to many streets on the

[2:21:29] west side of town where roads have

[2:21:31] incomplete walkways and edges. It would

[2:21:38] be miraculous to make improvements for

[2:21:39] bicyclists and walkers on Central

[2:21:40] Avenue NorthOf rail will drive and

[2:21:42] north of Murray Road "railroad. I hope

[2:21:54] there is still time to take a closer

[2:21:55] look at improving existing assets in

[2:21:56] McKinleyville and spend money there.

[2:21:57] Thank you for the opportunity to

[2:21:58] speak.

[2:21:59] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:22:04] >>In morning, chair, board members, my

[2:22:05] name is Mary Burke, I am the current

[2:22:06] chair of the municipal advisory

[2:22:07] committee. As you heard, the draft

[2:22:11] ordinance represents over five years of

[2:22:12] public meetings and neck shirt "Lectures

[2:22:18] And art recognizesLocal planners. I

[2:22:26] want to call out and thank the

[2:22:27] administrative support the county has

[2:22:28] provided as well as of course Director

[2:22:29] Ford's time and commitment to this

[2:22:30] process. And I think the hope in the

[2:22:31] vision with the ordinances thatOur

[2:22:34] community have more abundant the

[2:22:39] reverse successful housing in modern

[2:22:40] town center that creates an environment

[2:22:41] For all people, As a slave. I'm

[2:22:57] bringing this for before you closer to

[2:22:58] realizing that vision that you hear the

[2:22:59] diversion views onCentral at Avenue

[2:23:00] planning "Divergent. We need that

[2:23:15] comprehensive study, not just for

[2:23:16] circulation but multimodal access. On a

[2:23:17] call out director Maxon's vision for

[2:23:19] bringing forward what we are doing on

[2:23:20] Hillard Road that you can go out and see

[2:23:26] And how that traffic call me is

[2:23:27] functioning, providing this vibrant

[2:23:28] area that people will(INAUDIBLE) but

[2:23:35] will enjoy passing through Miller Road.

[2:23:49] Thank you for your consideration this

[2:23:50] matter.

[2:23:51] >>Thank you, good morning.

[2:23:52] >>Good morning, Chair Bushnell, my name

[2:23:53] is Maia Conrad. I've been a longtime

[2:23:54] resident of McKinleyville and I've

[2:23:55] turned on the Micmac for six years.I

[2:24:00] want to thank Director John Ford and

[2:24:01] all of his staff for the support and

[2:24:02] dedication that they have had through

[2:24:07] Holding her hands through so many

[2:24:08] meetings on the Towncenter ordinance

[2:24:09] and I also want to thank Director Madsen

[2:24:11] And his crew, who are out on Saturday

[2:24:12] and SundayHelping this community.

[2:24:21] Project on Heller Road. Take a walk and

[2:24:30] ride your bike and you can experience

[2:24:31] what Hilliard feels like, which is a

[2:24:32] nice prelude to what this town center

[2:24:33] could be.

[2:24:36] Now when we started this, we did a lot

[2:24:37] of canvassing and there were so many

[2:24:38] people who said we want a sense of

[2:24:41] place, we want the heart of

[2:24:42] McKinleyville and we want a place where

[2:24:45] people feel safe, and is one public

[2:24:46] speaker said, McKinleyville middle

[2:24:48] school isIn the town center. With the

[2:24:55] closing Morris we will get a lot more

[2:24:58] Traffic of children. We wantKids to feel

[2:25:06] Ready to walk and bike to school.As I

[2:25:13] represented this community in this

[2:25:16] endeavor for the last two years, and not

[2:25:24] only looked at our community for today

[2:25:25] but also our future generations and as

[2:25:26] one public member said in the Micmac

[2:25:27] meeting, they said please,Be brave and

[2:25:28] voteOf the central Avenue Road diet.

[2:25:33] Understands coping andI chose to be

[2:25:41] brave and envision a really wonderful

[2:25:42] heart of McKinley well for us in the

[2:25:43] future. So thank you for considering

[2:25:44] this

[2:25:45] >>Thank you. Good morning.From a good

[2:25:59] morning, my name is Colin Fisk,

[2:26:00] Executive Director of C RTP in many of

[2:26:01] our more than 850 members and

[2:26:02] supporters are McKinleyville residence,

[2:26:03] I will "We are deep full grateful "deeply

[2:26:12] grateful to Director FordAnd the staff

[2:26:16] and to supervisor Madrone without whom

[2:26:39] I don't think this would've happened.

[2:26:40] We are excited to see the town center

[2:26:41] ordinance adopted and we encourage you

[2:26:42] to adopt it as written. Regarding

[2:26:43] Central, I've written down central many

[2:26:44] times on my bike, car speeding past,

[2:26:45] inches away, I've had to cross two

[2:26:46] lanes of traffic, weight in the middle

[2:26:47] of the street to make a left turn into

[2:26:48] a business with cars and trucks

[2:26:49] speeding by on both sides pulling up in

[2:26:50] front of meOn that turn lane, I have

[2:26:52] also crossed on foot many times and

[2:26:53] been almost hit. It's really not a safe

[2:26:54] and welcoming environment to be a

[2:26:55] successful Towncenter some things have

[2:26:56] to change. I do wish that the current

[2:26:59] naysayers to join the processors

[2:27:00] earlier because my experiences will

[2:27:01] many of the folksWere skipped really

[2:27:04] came around once they learn more. I

[2:27:05] think the planning commission as you

[2:27:07] know recommended adoption of the

[2:27:08] ordinance, Just as the Micmac thenIs

[2:27:17] Central Avenue changes regarding the

[2:27:18] idea of a communitywide transportation

[2:27:19] plan, we support that, but as you know

[2:27:28] there's currently no money for it and

[2:27:29] would take years to develop and I think

[2:27:30] it's important for the county not tie

[2:27:31] his hands in the meantime so we ask

[2:27:32] that if you move for the communitywide

[2:27:33] plan that you take it the action

[2:27:34] separately or making contingent on

[2:27:39] anything in the town center ordinance.

[2:27:40] We strongly urge youThe ordinance is

[2:27:44] written including the changes. Thank

[2:27:45] you.

[2:27:53] >>Thank you. Good morning, ma'am. My

[2:27:54] name is Jack will hand in the accident

[2:28:00] And I have been a resident since the

[2:28:01] 1980s.The two lanes in each direction,

[2:28:05] the visible by claimImproves accessTo

[2:28:17] the taxpayers. Due to heavy traffic

[2:28:18] Caltrans has advised against reducing

[2:28:19] the number of lanes. It's difficult to

[2:28:20] cross the street if you are driving

[2:28:21] your car and someone is going across

[2:28:23] the street and you want to make a

[2:28:26] right-hand turn, you back traffic up

[2:28:33] Waiting even on a green light. So by

[2:28:34] cutting it down there will be no wait

[2:28:35] for a person to keep on going straight

[2:28:36] throughIf someone is trying to make a

[2:28:39] right-hand turn, will back the traffic

[2:28:40] up even further.Additionally with the

[2:28:52] plans to attract more elderly residents

[2:28:53] to the town center, fewer lanes can

[2:28:54] obstruct emergency vehicles, creating

[2:28:55] hazards for those who need assistance

[2:28:56] which would be a death trap. This

[2:28:59] change doesn't benefit McKinleyville

[2:29:00] residents workers or business owners,

[2:29:04] It's unclear who will profit but it's

[2:29:05] definitely not the taxpayers, thank you.

[2:29:07] >>Thank you. Good morning.I saw you on

[2:29:12] the news this morning.

[2:29:13] [LAUGHING]

[2:29:14] >>Yes,Deborah (INAUDIBLE), concerned

[2:29:33] citizen. I know McKinleyville has to

[2:29:34] change and will continue to change. I

[2:29:35] do think the road diet would be a poor

[2:29:36] decision for McKinley bill. John Ford

[2:29:37] stated there be two lanes and a turn

[2:29:38] lane. The turn lane is only good for

[2:29:39] turning left, it doesn't help traffic

[2:29:40] making right-hand turns. Merging into

[2:29:41] the trafficFrom a side road would be

[2:29:44] difficult if not impossible causing

[2:29:45] frustration and stupid actions that

[2:29:46] lead to accidents. If youFacts, it is

[2:29:50] stated there were 17,000 people living

[2:29:51] inMac,12,000 people travel from the US

[2:30:03] 101 exchange throughout the day and a

[2:30:04] 24 hour period. 83% of people use their

[2:30:11] cars on a daily basis. There's a 20

[2:30:12] foot public utility easement on the

[2:30:13] easterly side that could be better

[2:30:14] utilized. It did not recommend for

[2:30:15] reduction for Central Avenue but a

[2:30:19] multiuse trail. We only have more

[2:30:20] people in cars, peopleWould createTo

[2:30:25] design "Had to handle heavy traffic.

[2:31:06] There used to be more money put in the

[2:31:07] infrastructure. The keep saying this

[2:31:08] could take 20 years. If they get

[2:31:09] funding it could happen sooner. We feel

[2:31:10] we haven't been heard through this

[2:31:11] process. We get two or three minutes to

[2:31:12] voice our concerns or ask questions

[2:31:13] which we don't get any feedback on.

[2:31:14] They say they have had public workshops

[2:31:15] but in the beginning it was turned

[2:31:16] COVID. In closing I urge the board to

[2:31:17] vote to keep Central Avenue as it is

[2:31:18] currently four lanes and in turn lane

[2:31:19] with McKinleyville being the in the

[2:31:20] county, if incorporated the County

[2:31:21] would be the second largest in the

[2:31:22] county, maybe it's time for us to

[2:31:23] incorporate.

[2:31:24] >>Thank you.Good morning, sir.

[2:31:25] >>Good morning, board, impact Asari,

[2:31:26] resident of McKinleyville, I am also

[2:31:32] the general manager of community

[2:31:33] services District and a member of

[2:31:34] Micmac. I have been authorized to speak

[2:31:35] on behalf of the district in support of

[2:31:36] the ordinance. The Humboldt County

[2:31:37] planning department staff particularly

[2:31:38] Director Ford have accomplished an

[2:31:39] exceptional task and working with the

[2:31:40] MicmacAnd the community to prepare an

[2:31:44] extremely well-crafted town center

[2:31:45] ordinance. The Townsend ordinance don't

[2:31:46] will not only benefit guide

[2:31:47] McKinleyville's town center to turn it

[2:31:48] into a destination spot but will be an

[2:31:49] asset for Humboldt County with improved

[2:32:11] housing, community and business

[2:32:12] facilities. The ordinance facilitates

[2:32:13] the installation of pedestrian and

[2:32:14] bicycle infrastructure that will make

[2:32:15] killer and Central Avenue much safer

[2:32:16] and facilitates trail networks in

[2:32:17] McKinleyville and directs the

[2:32:18] improvement of wetlands to make them a

[2:32:19] source of improved habitat for wildlife

[2:32:20] in public and facilitates homes and

[2:32:21] workspaces versus promoting ordinance

[2:32:22] for level impact undeveloped areas

[2:32:23] throughout the county.I will jump

[2:32:24] ahead, the district has concerns about

[2:32:25] the road diet given that the potential

[2:32:26] impacts to theDistricts water sewer and

[2:32:34] streetlight infrastructure have yet to

[2:32:35] be analyzed, the planning commission

[2:32:36] made an excellent recommendation that

[2:32:37] the McKinleyville wide sanity be

[2:32:38] Conducted in the road diet be reviewed

[2:32:39] prior to implementation, MCSE should

[2:32:44] also be included in the design review to

[2:32:53] maintain the work on infrastructure

[2:32:54] safely. The McKinleyville community

[2:32:55] services District urges the board to

[2:32:56] certified the EIR and adopt the town

[2:32:57] center as written.

[2:32:58] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:33:07] >>Hello. I'm Michelle burst Donnie, 46

[2:33:08] year resident of McKinleyville, city

[2:33:09] center, homeowner, a CPA and on the CPA

[2:33:10] business in McKinleyvilleAnd I am also

[2:33:15] a past director of McKinleyville

[2:33:16] community services District. I see two

[2:33:17] things wrong with this ordinance.

[2:33:18] Number one, it is writtenMinisterial,

[2:33:32] and if it's approved the public will no

[2:33:33] longer have a say in what happens in

[2:33:34] McKinleyville's town center. This is

[2:33:35] not only unacceptable but it's also

[2:33:36] undemocratic. I think it needs to be

[2:33:37] rewritten. Number two is the road and

[2:33:38] Central Avenue does not needA diet. And

[2:33:46] does not need to go from 5 to 2 lanes.

[2:33:47] The 2013 traffic study showed 15,000

[2:33:48] cards you Central Avenue every day.

[2:33:49] Then using that information, the Micmac

[2:33:58] Work tirelessly with residents,

[2:33:59] business owners, and transportation

[2:34:00] professionals to design the central

[2:34:01] AvenueSafety quarter that we have today.

[2:34:16] The County design ADA assessable road

[2:34:17] crossings in every single crosswalk.

[2:34:18] Every crosswalk at stop lights that can

[2:34:19] beTime to slow down traffic. It was a

[2:34:24] thoughtful community driven process

[2:34:25] aimed at improving safety and traffic

[2:34:26] flow for everyone.In the 10 years since

[2:34:27] his completionThisShow (INAUDIBLE)

[2:34:40] along the entire Central Avenue.

[2:34:41] Changes in violence in two lanes. Given

[2:34:42] the fact that it seems prudentAnd

[2:34:46] fiscally responsible to preserve or

[2:34:47] expand the five lanes and already have,

[2:34:54] Please do not pass this ordinance for

[2:34:55] can make Central Avenue less safe and

[2:34:56] youPeer

[2:35:02] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:35:13] >>Good morning, my name is Judy

[2:35:14] Hodgson, I was a reporter for more than

[2:35:15] 40 years in Humboldt CountyBefore I

[2:35:16] retiredFive or six years ago completely.

[2:35:25] I covered the Board of Supervisors, the

[2:35:26] planning commission, the McKinleyville

[2:35:27] services District and the years, want

[2:35:29] to take you back farther than 2015. I

[2:35:30] coveredThese organizations during the

[2:35:34] time that Central AvenueWas built, And

[2:35:39] there was a lot ofOpposition at the

[2:35:43] time to some of the things, And they're

[2:35:46] just like your hearing today.There's a

[2:35:49] lot of good in that plan.The

[2:35:53] underground utilities, the landscaping,

[2:35:54] the, A lot of things are good about

[2:35:56] that plan.It was always of bad design,

[2:36:04] the five lane highway. It is so huge.

[2:36:05] It is difficultTo cross even, it just

[2:36:10] takes time to get across that, it is not

[2:36:15] pedestrian friendly, was bad design

[2:36:16] then and we have enough opportunity now

[2:36:20] , I never thought we would see this, we

[2:36:21] have an opportunity now to correct

[2:36:22] somethingMaybe we didn't do a great job

[2:36:29] on last time. They even took out the

[2:36:30] beautiful cypress trees in those days

[2:36:31] that were traffic calming and they were

[2:36:32] lovely.

[2:36:33] Anyway, some of the, Okay, 31 seconds,

[2:36:37] I can do this.What I want you to think

[2:36:40] about today, I am the one that asked

[2:36:47] the Micmac to be brave and to prove it.

[2:36:56] I am impressed that the McKinleyville

[2:36:57] services District is backing this

[2:36:58] thing. Mansion means something to you.

[2:36:59] On one sideI have people in cars that

[2:37:02] are protected. On the other side of

[2:37:03] people in Walker'sThis others with

[2:37:08] bikes going to school. I asked you to,

[2:37:10] I am in the favor.

[2:37:25] >>Hi, good morning. Permit good

[2:37:26] morning, Board of Supervisors. I have

[2:37:27] been before you in the past wearing

[2:37:28] different hats. I was a department head,

[2:37:33] I decide on Micmac into of the years

[2:37:34] we have been in town soon

[2:37:35] deliberations. My town isSons saying by

[2:37:41] choice. I am inviting us on the board

[2:37:42] of the foundation and so speaking to

[2:37:43] you today.Our foundation serves the

[2:38:01] Residence in McKinleyvilleAnd remain

[2:38:08] dedicated to public benefit. The

[2:38:09] foundation supports the ordinance

[2:38:10] before you today as recommended by the

[2:38:11] McKinleyville municipal advisory

[2:38:12] committee. This ordinance is the

[2:38:15] product of balancing many years of

[2:38:16] public input, Professional urban

[2:38:20] planning expertise, and careful

[2:38:21] deliberation, And it reflects the

[2:38:33] vision for the town center that

[2:38:34] balances housing, services, open-space

[2:38:35] and ecological stewardship. I'm going

[2:38:36] cut out a paragraph in the interest of

[2:38:37] time. We urge you to adopt the

[2:38:38] ordinance as recommended by the Micmac,

[2:38:47] Confident that it honors the community

[2:38:48] process, protects natural resources and

[2:38:49] provides us teamwork for health is a

[2:38:50] sustainable(INAUDIBLE)

[2:39:20] >>You have 30 seconds left.

[2:39:21] >>We believe 6.4 achieves the right

[2:39:22] balance by requiring that wetlands be

[2:39:23] protected in place or where appropriate

[2:39:24] relocated under the safeguards of

[2:39:25] county state and federal regulations.

[2:39:26] This flexibility combined with strong

[2:39:27] oversight ensures protection and a bra

[2:39:28] a vibrant walkable place where people

[2:39:29] can live, work, and play. Thank you.

[2:39:30] Perfect timing.

[2:39:31] >>Hello there.

[2:39:32] >>Good morning.Supervisor BushnellAnd

[2:39:33] the team.My concerns about Central

[2:39:35] Avenue.And duties angling.I would write

[2:39:49] a track with the trailer, I pull

[2:39:50] recycling andI don't know what else to

[2:39:52] say butTo John and Tom Madsen, they are

[2:39:59] doing the perfect job, butPlease,

[2:40:07] Consideration not to put the two lanes

[2:40:08] in. Thank you and have a great day.

[2:40:09] >>Thank you.Good morning.

[2:40:10] >>In morning, thank you for taking the

[2:40:17] time to hear us. My name is Nicole

[2:40:18] Thomas, I have been a lifelong resident

[2:40:21] of McKinleyville since 1975.I think a

[2:40:34] lot of us who have been there for a

[2:40:35] long time, changes in the issue, we

[2:40:36] have seen a lot of change over time, we

[2:40:37] have had to. When suburbia came in, I

[2:40:38] believe it was a reason for the four

[2:40:39] lanes, And as a parent, I have chosen

[2:40:49] to stay in McKinleyville and raise my

[2:40:50] child there. We have five schools, if

[2:40:51] you include McKinleyville, excuse me,

[2:40:59] mad River high school, we have a lot of

[2:41:00] parents bring their children daily to

[2:41:01] school, picking them up from school,

[2:41:02] taking in the practice, to games, the

[2:41:03] impact of going from four lanes to two

[2:41:07] lanes would absolutely make things less

[2:41:08] safe in my opinion. There are so many

[2:41:09] carsCertain times of day. I know

[2:41:15] sometimes a day there are not, but as

[2:41:16] was mentioned, Sutter Road is very busy

[2:41:29] . It's almost as if there is a light

[2:41:30] down by Azalea, the amount of cars that

[2:41:31] just flow, it's like they all got a

[2:41:32] green light and they're all coming.

[2:41:33] It's constant. I've seen the backup up

[2:41:34] to Bella Vista hero. There is(INAUDIBLE)

[2:41:42] All lanes are full most of the time.

[2:41:43] I've heard from my FedEx driver, my son

[2:41:50] gets medication that is delivered once

[2:41:51] a month and she said central Avenue is

[2:41:52] the busiest street in Humboldt County.

[2:41:53] Period.A current traffic study I think

[2:41:57] is vital, Maybe a broader traffic study

[2:42:03] the taking into consideration the

[2:42:04] amount of parents, The movement that

[2:42:08] happens in that time. The expansion of

[2:42:13] Sidewalks is great, there's a lot of

[2:42:14] great ideas but keep four lanes, do not

[2:42:15] reduce to two.

[2:42:18] >>Thank you. Good morning.

[2:42:23] >>In morning. My name is Bonnie

[2:42:24] McGregor, I am a resident of

[2:42:26] McKinleyville for 20 yearsAnd have

[2:42:31] participated in trying to get the

[2:42:32] ordinance to even be discussed, so I am

[2:42:36] very grateful it's gotten this far and

[2:42:41] thank you, supervisor Madrone, for

[2:42:42] bringing it forward and thank you to

[2:42:43] John Ford and his staff for all the

[2:42:44] work that's been done. I want to talk

[2:42:46] about something else. I was waiting to

[2:42:51] the end of the comments about Central

[2:42:52] Avenue becauseThis ordinance is the

[2:42:55] last time that the citizens of

[2:42:58] McKinleyville will have any say,

[2:43:05] Officially, about what happens to the

[2:43:06] future of our town, and that sense of

[2:43:07] placeIs very important to a lot of

[2:43:10] people. We reflect many different

[2:43:11] attributesOf who this place is, and to

[2:43:21] me, one of the most important things is

[2:43:22] that we have a space, we have enough

[2:43:23] open space where we can come together

[2:43:24] and experience thatIn the built

[2:43:28] environment. Central Avenue is always

[2:43:29] going to go through the center of town,

[2:43:33] No matter how fast it's going, it's

[2:43:34] just a fact in Pearson Park is on the

[2:43:40] east side, you can't see it from

[2:43:41] Central Avenue, and that's our civic

[2:43:42] area, but the built space on the west

[2:43:43] side, which now will be on the and

[2:43:45] Pearson foundation landIs designated

[2:43:49] only 20,000 ft. minimumAs the mandated

[2:43:59] Public space. I'm asking you to put it

[2:44:00] in, change the ordinance to say at

[2:44:01] least an acre. I have a felt sense of

[2:44:04] the difference between 1/2 acre and an

[2:44:05] acreAndLiving in a rural area I think

[2:44:13] you all do too. So to have a sense and

[2:44:14] build it around, Because the space has

[2:44:23] to be determined before the project

[2:44:24] goes forward if we only have 1/2 acre

[2:44:25] it will never be more. So thank you.

[2:44:26] >>Thank you.Hi Matt, welcome.

[2:44:27] >>Hi, I am Twyla Sanchez and currently

[2:44:33] sit on the Micmac, And I have lived in

[2:44:39] McKinleyville my whole life, And I just

[2:44:44] kind of want to stick up for the Micmac

[2:44:45] a little bit. I know myself, We

[2:44:50] received a lot of letters, a lot of

[2:44:52] people came to the MicmacTo voice their

[2:44:56] opinions on many parts of the town

[2:44:58] center, And the letters were read, the

[2:45:04] emails were readAnd what I did was I

[2:45:11] highlighted what I thought was their

[2:45:12] main pointsAnd I did give people who

[2:45:16] live in McKinleyvilleA little more

[2:45:21] priority than people who wrote letters

[2:45:22] who lived in other areasThat shopped in

[2:45:24] McKinleyville, say,And it's pretty

[2:45:32] 50/50, we are pretty much split on this

[2:45:33] issueI was one of those that opposed it

[2:45:39] and then IAfter reading all the letters

[2:45:43] and listening to the commentsI did

[2:45:51] change my mind and the main thing was

[2:45:52] safety. I heard safety, safety, safety,

[2:45:53] peopleWalking along there, are riding

[2:45:55] their bikes along Central Avenue do not

[2:45:58] feel safe, and a lot of people don't

[2:46:01] ride their bikes in the green space,

[2:46:04] there up on the sidewalks.And I am just

[2:46:10] really happy that McKinleyville is

[2:46:11] getting the humble commonsAnd though we

[2:46:15] are housing programs in McKinleyville,

[2:46:20] I think that's two great things for

[2:46:21] McKinleyvilleAnd my biggest issue is

[2:46:28] open space, I don't think we have

[2:46:29] allotted enough open space in the town

[2:46:30] center. This was supposed to be the

[2:46:35] heart.

[2:46:36] >>I'm sorry, ma'am, your time. Thank

[2:46:37] you so much. Hi. Good morning. If

[2:46:43] you're going to make a public comment

[2:46:44] and you're still sitting in the

[2:46:45] audience, if you could line up diet we

[2:46:46] would appreciate that.

[2:46:47] >>Julie Wilkerson, a lifelong resident

[2:46:48] and a business ownerIn McKinleyville

[2:46:53] and I move my business there because I

[2:46:54] was so excited about the potential of

[2:46:55] that communityHow many people have

[2:46:58] unfortunately had not so pleasant

[2:47:04] things to think about it, I think

[2:47:05] McKinleyville is a great place, I shop

[2:47:06] there, I still findThe new projectsIn

[2:47:10] the life plan humble, very exciting

[2:47:15] projects but there are many things

[2:47:16] going on that are about community and I

[2:47:19] urge you to go ahead with this, there's

[2:47:20] been a lot of community input,More than

[2:47:21] any situation I can remember in

[2:47:25] Humboldt County and the wonderful thing

[2:47:26] is is it is about building community

[2:47:37] and keeping people safe and what could

[2:47:38] be more important than that? I hope

[2:47:39] that you move forward and support all

[2:47:40] the work that's been done. Thanks.

[2:47:41] >>Thank you. Good morning, sir.

[2:47:42] >>In morning. Randy some burden.

[2:47:44] Fourth-generationMcKinleyvilleResident.

[2:47:52] I am an expert holding people up in

[2:47:59] traffic situations. I would offer up to

[2:48:00] you folks the same thing offered the

[2:48:01] planning commission. When we recently

[2:48:04] did a water line projectFor the

[2:48:10] McKinleyville services District, we had

[2:48:11] more complaintsComing through our

[2:48:15] office about reducing Central Avenue

[2:48:16] down to one laneDuring our

[2:48:21] construction. Then other any other job

[2:48:22] I have ever had, so I would like to

[2:48:23] offer upTwo, three, four, five, days of

[2:48:35] traffic control so you guys can see

[2:48:36] what it looks like. We had traffic

[2:48:37] backed up over Bella Vista and on the

[2:48:38] north end of McKinleyville as well.I

[2:48:40] would hate to see this thing Central

[2:48:43] Avenue is already two lanes at one time

[2:48:47] and I feel like we are going backwards

[2:48:48] if we voted for it. Thank you.

[2:48:49] >>Thank you.Good morning, sir.

[2:48:57] >>Good morning, Tim Wood,

[2:48:58] McKinleyville. On echo what Randy said.

[2:49:07] And what Greg Orsini said, may be

[2:49:08] separate this process out because most

[2:49:09] people are kind of in favor of the town

[2:49:10] center. Life plan Humboldt, all that

[2:49:11] stuff,That's all good. It's just the

[2:49:16] road thing, we are concerned about

[2:49:17] safety on the adjacent roads.Where I

[2:49:23] live, that's what we are worried about.

[2:49:24] The other thing is what supervisor

[2:49:25] Wilson brought out about what triggers

[2:49:31] these things, if you think about what's

[2:49:32] on Central Avenue, that area, this was

[2:49:33] already built, I think there's one

[2:49:34] empty lot in there. The whole place, if

[2:49:35] you come down from the school,Natural

[2:49:38] foods, the bank, fire department,Pet

[2:49:40] store, And it's all built. When you

[2:49:48] going to go up against that curve?This

[2:49:55] is 80 years, I don't know when people

[2:49:56] start tearing down buildings, take this

[2:49:57] out of itAnd look at what's going to

[2:49:58] happen to it, all the rest of us that

[2:50:04] aren't going to feel safe in her

[2:50:05] neighborhood to because they're making

[2:50:06] it safer on that road. There's a lot of

[2:50:11] room up there to do different

[2:50:12] configurations without pushing traffic

[2:50:13] out of our way. Appreciate that.

[2:50:14] >>Thank you.Good morning, sir.

[2:50:15] >>Good morning. David Enos, I have been

[2:50:24] in McKinleyville for not quite 35

[2:50:25] years, Humboldt County for over 50

[2:50:26] years.I know I don't look old enough.

[2:50:30] [LAUGHING]

[2:50:35] I taught architectural design at the

[2:50:36] high school level for a number of years

[2:50:46] , We plan for the town center back in

[2:50:47] the '90s, we took that on as a project,

[2:50:48] I think what you're doing so far as far

[2:50:49] as development of that property is great

[2:50:52] and I would like to offer up a

[2:50:53] recommendationThat I think might be

[2:50:57] palatable for both sides of the aisle,

[2:50:59] Is thatThe road issue beRemoved from

[2:51:08] the rest of the process for now, And is

[2:51:13] this property is developed to see how

[2:51:15] the impactsAre affectedBy the trafficIn

[2:51:24] the flow of people to and from workIn

[2:51:30] the seniors and the kids and the horses

[2:51:31] and whatever else you're going to use

[2:51:32] on the property, The roadway there, I

[2:51:33] thinkTwo easy fixes right now would be

[2:51:39] to as Dennis Mayo said do something

[2:51:44] about the sidewalk area, because it's

[2:51:45] pretty old and needs attention,

[2:51:48] Straighten it out, widen it,Get the

[2:51:52] bumps and stuff out of there, and then

[2:51:53] alsoIgnoring the speed limit in

[2:52:05] enforcing it so people aren't driving

[2:52:06] fast, because was going to happen is

[2:52:07] you close it down, the crazy people

[2:52:08] want to drive fast, they are going to

[2:52:09] be going on the back streets and it's

[2:52:10] going to make it dangerous for others.I

[2:52:11] think putting it on the back burner for

[2:52:12] nowAnd road studies and seeing how it

[2:52:14] plays outWould be a good function at

[2:52:32] this point.

[2:52:33] >>Thank you. So I have one last person

[2:52:34] coming up, if you do want to make

[2:52:35] public comment, please mosey on over to

[2:52:36] the doorway there and get in line and

[2:52:37] then we're going to finish up public

[2:52:38] comment. Please come forward, sir.

[2:52:39] >>Thank you for having me. I love

[2:52:40] seeing everybody from McKinleyville.

[2:52:45] It's just such a sense of community. My

[2:52:46] wife and I love everything goes on there

[2:52:49] , the concerts they have, the Chamber

[2:52:50] of Commerce, what they do. I've heard

[2:52:52] from a lot of different people and I

[2:52:57] get the 50/50 split, but it sounds like

[2:52:59] you are probably going to take care of

[2:53:01] the traffic situation and study it

[2:53:19] more. The community center is such a

[2:53:20] fantastic idea, it looks like it's got

[2:53:21] to happen. I think it's just got to

[2:53:22] happen in my wife and I both look

[2:53:23] forward to that, we own our home in

[2:53:24] McKinleyville, we do walk across that

[2:53:25] street and you almost have to run

[2:53:26] sometimes, but depends on what time of

[2:53:27] dayAnd I just hope it goes forwardAnd

[2:53:29] thanks for your public service,

[2:53:30] everyone, I think that's soImportant,

[2:53:35] you get more and more young people to

[2:53:36] continue to get involved. Public

[2:53:37] service.That's it.

[2:53:38] One quick one.

[2:53:39] [LAUGHING]

[2:53:50] I used to commute, it took forever,

[2:53:51] that two lane went forever all the way

[2:53:52] through the town, it was no big deal.I

[2:53:54] got used to it. Thank you.

[2:53:56] >>Thank you.Okay, you are our last one.

[2:54:02] [LAUGHING]

[2:54:10] >>Ellen Brown. Lifelong Humboldt County

[2:54:11] resident, I have had a home in

[2:54:12] McKinleyville for four years.We all

[2:54:13] know it has to grow. You can't have an

[2:54:15] urban areaAnd a rural area, Same thing,

[2:54:21] We want to keepThe village, But can't

[2:54:30] do that with four stories of buildings.

[2:54:32] On the road diet,You have to consider

[2:54:44] the buses that use the road, people

[2:54:45] have to get around those, the trucks

[2:54:46] for those buildings, work in a doctor's

[2:54:47] office and we have a lot of older

[2:54:48] people that are now cutting up and

[2:54:49] going around Holly already. If you take

[2:54:50] it toTwo lane center turn lane, They

[2:54:52] are going to be in trouble.Even though

[2:54:54] they drive really well, The ones that

[2:54:57] need to have alreadyReverse the driving

[2:55:08] that they do. That would make it

[2:55:09] unbearable for this people trying to

[2:55:10] get in and out. The buses that bring

[2:55:11] people fromThe care facilitiesAlready

[2:55:15] have problems trying to get across the

[2:55:16] street. If youIf you have

[2:55:33] bumper-to-bumper traffic there's no

[2:55:34] way. They will be going around hauling

[2:55:35] everything too. I've already talked to

[2:55:36] them about that. There's got to be a

[2:55:37] balance, it's just that we half to find

[2:55:38] it. Doesn't need to go back to Micmac

[2:55:39] and help themResearch a little more?

[2:55:40] Maybe that's where we need to start.

[2:55:41] Thank you for your time.

[2:55:44] >>Thank you. I'm going to close public

[2:55:45] comment and at this time, we're going

[2:55:47] to take a short recess. I'm sorry, but

[2:55:51] the board may also have some questions

[2:55:57] of some of the commenters so I hope you

[2:55:58] stay, we are going to take 20 minutes,

[2:55:59] we get a little angry, So I'm going to

[2:56:08] encourage everyone to get some food,

[2:56:09] use of facilities and we will be back

[2:56:10] on in 20 minutes. Okay? Thank you.

[3:18:39] So if you're going to be in the

[3:18:40] doorway, you need to go out there or

[3:18:41] come in. Thanks so much.Okay, so we are

[3:18:46] going to come back and I am going to

[3:18:47] clarify any of the board membersIf they

[3:18:49] have any of the commenters.It does not

[3:18:58] look like it. We are going to go back

[3:18:59] to Director Ford.

[3:19:00] >>Thank you, chair, would love to just

[3:19:01] clarify a couple of things.One of the

[3:19:06] comments was made that wetlands would

[3:19:07] be able to be relocated and filled with

[3:19:12] just an administrator permit. That is

[3:19:13] not a true statement. While development

[3:19:14] Is allowedWith ministerial approval and

[3:19:19] I want to clarify this too,It currently

[3:19:27] is allowed with ministerial approval,

[3:19:28] that's not a change, but a community

[3:19:29] plan identifies it once it's in

[3:19:30] development it says without the special

[3:19:31] permit which would be a discretionary

[3:19:34] permit so it's encouraging not to create

[3:19:36] elaboratePermitting processes as part

[3:19:42] of the plan. But the wetlands would

[3:19:43] require a special permit.There was a

[3:19:48] discussion on affordable housing, But

[3:19:52] the things I told the Micmac was theIn

[3:19:54] order to developIn affordable housing

[3:19:57] program it is really a complicated

[3:20:01] process and should be addressedOn a

[3:20:03] much larger scaleAnd what the Micmac

[3:20:07] directed be doneIs that they would like

[3:20:10] to start that discussionAmongst the

[3:20:18] Micmac and bring a recommendation back

[3:20:19] to the board. So I would anticipate at

[3:20:20] some point in the future that you will

[3:20:21] hear a recommendation from the Micmac

[3:20:22] aboutWhether to adopt affordable

[3:20:28] housing ordinances, inclusionary

[3:20:29] ordinances.And then there was a comment

[3:20:33] that the developer asked for

[3:20:39] administrative approval. This is not

[3:20:40] something the developer asked for. This

[3:20:41] comes out of theCommunity plan.And then

[3:20:47] there was a desire to understand the

[3:20:48] timing of the road diet, And there is

[3:20:52] no timing on that. It really is

[3:20:53] dependent upon financingAnd as I

[3:20:54] mentionedIn my response to supervisor

[3:20:58] Bohn, That is going to have to be

[3:21:03] funded by other than development.

[3:21:05] Because that will be an expensive

[3:21:09] Process to undertake is so there's not

[3:21:11] currently financingFor it, there's not

[3:21:15] Timeline all that, soThe town center

[3:21:18] can begin to developWithout the road

[3:21:21] diet occurring, and this part of the

[3:21:24] decision on the part of theBoard of

[3:21:28] Supervisors today is whether or not as

[3:21:31] you've been asked several times to to

[3:21:34] further the decisions on the road diet.

[3:21:40] I just wanted to also identifyThat it's

[3:21:46] comforting to ask for additional studies

[3:21:47] .But then one of the thingsWith the

[3:21:58] deferred decision that I would

[3:21:59] encourage the board to ask themselves

[3:22:00] this, what would be your tolerance with

[3:22:01] results of the additional study, if it

[3:22:03] came back and said yes, There will be

[3:22:06] diversion of traffic on the streets,

[3:22:13] Would that be acceptable? You've

[3:22:14] already got a study that says that.And

[3:22:19] so if that's something that's

[3:22:20] unacceptable andObviously the road diet

[3:22:23] should not be considered.If, on the

[3:22:27] other hand, there isCriteria placed upon

[3:22:37] The fighting a sense of place, defining

[3:22:38] what the community center looks like,

[3:22:39] recognizing that there will be some

[3:22:42] trade-offs involved, Then those need to

[3:22:46] be the mitigating circumstances.It

[3:22:49] would be appropriate to follow the

[3:22:53] recommendation to do additional studies?

[3:22:55] And make sure thatThe design this back

[3:23:03] to the Micmac and it has been passed

[3:23:04] forward that (INAUDIBLE).

[3:23:09] >>Okay, I will bring it back to the

[3:23:10] boardAnd we'll start having discussion.

[3:23:14] He wants to go first?Supervisor Arroyo?

[3:23:26] >>I defer for the question to be

[3:23:27] asked.

[3:23:28] >>Sure, supervisor?

[3:23:29] >>This is just, you had mentioned that

[3:23:32] in the options forWhat we saw for

[3:23:35] cross-sections for the changeIn the road

[3:23:44] It is suggestions, There to give

[3:23:48] reference, right? They're not actually

[3:23:49] the final design, that can change

[3:23:53] should be different. I've seen so many

[3:23:54] different versions of that throughout

[3:23:55] communities that travelSo I was

[3:23:58] wondering if that isThe end.

[3:23:59] >>No, that's not intended to be the

[3:24:04] final design. While it was greatly

[3:24:08] influenced by public works, It's not an

[3:24:13] engineering design.

[3:24:16] >>And then also there was a comment

[3:24:21] that someone mentioned, there will be

[3:24:22] no right lane turning options, and this

[3:24:23] doesn't preclude that.

[3:24:24] >>Not only does that not preclude that,

[3:24:32] that's part of the recommendation of

[3:24:33] the traffic study that I believeIt sat,

[3:24:35] I think it's Heartwood thatThere be a

[3:24:38] right turnOrdinance at HellerAnd a

[3:24:53] three lane section, there should be a

[3:24:54] free right term. Correctly

[3:24:55] cross-section seen their, the

[3:24:56] cross-section it shows likeSeparated

[3:25:01] bike path on both sides of the road,

[3:25:09] But in some communities they do just

[3:25:10] one on one side, there might be parking

[3:25:11] on the other side in order to address

[3:25:14] Access to storefronts and those sorts

[3:25:15] of things. Is that within the framework

[3:25:16] Of the potential? We are asking for

[3:25:20] what's being talked about his

[3:25:22] storefronts and I thinkWe have that

[3:25:33] same issue that isThe developmentUp to

[3:25:39] the street for would be in place of the

[3:25:42] existing parking thereThen you have

[3:25:49] buildings behind it maybe. What I'm

[3:25:53] getting at is I would like some

[3:25:54] flexibilityTo allow some back-and-forth

[3:26:02] on those access pointsPeople into the

[3:26:07] downtown, be a part of thatAnd in

[3:26:10] exchange for reducing the requirement,

[3:26:14] The parking minimums, make sure there

[3:26:18] is actually some public parking

[3:26:19] available as well of that construct. Is

[3:26:24] that something that can be discussed in

[3:26:25] the future as part of that design work?

[3:26:26] >>I would say that really shouldBe

[3:26:30] involved with a full on additional

[3:26:33] study. One of the thingsThat we backed

[3:26:35] away from was having parking on Central

[3:26:41] In particularly made that decision when

[3:26:44] our traffic consultant said if you

[3:26:48] wanted to slow traffic down put parking

[3:26:49] on Central and it was like okay, I

[3:26:51] don't want to go that far.

[3:26:53] >>What I'm getting at is for deliveries

[3:26:58] and other things like that, we're going

[3:26:59] to have to make sure there is at least

[3:27:07] Career, services, I'm just trying to

[3:27:08] figure out how this will work. I will

[3:27:09] let you guys work that out, I get it.

[3:27:11] I'm thinking about so many places where

[3:27:12] I have seen, I just want to put out

[3:27:14] there there's a great book, install

[3:27:21] called confessions of a recovering

[3:27:22] engineer, I recommend everybody read

[3:27:27] this even if you're not an engineer. It

[3:27:28] speaks very clearly to the construct of

[3:27:31] And especially in sort of theAmerican

[3:27:36] experience of the idea that more and

[3:27:41] wider roads bring you prosperityAnd it

[3:27:46] does a pretty amazing deconstruction of

[3:27:47] that constructAcross a lot of various

[3:27:56] Landscape in townAreas and cities as

[3:28:00] well.It's really, It just it speaks

[3:28:09] very much to why we see the term road

[3:28:13] diet, we can make more popularize, that

[3:28:15] sort of thing, when I looked at this

[3:28:18] Project or I guess what you call it

[3:28:20] this Q Zone, The first thing I did

[3:28:25] actually was when I dove into this

[3:28:26] questionOf the road Diane I basically

[3:28:41] made a pretty comprehensive searching

[3:28:42] road diet failures. What are road

[3:28:43] dial "road diet failures? Where is that

[3:28:44] happening, where is that usually

[3:28:45] occurring? I can tell you that there

[3:28:46] are less failures than there are

[3:28:47] Successes that you see in the studies

[3:28:52] but in general the failures tend to

[3:28:53] occur if there's a threshold of 20,000

[3:28:54] Trips a day, it's about where they

[3:28:58] begin to occur or whereThere are

[3:29:04] certain cautions and design parameters

[3:29:05] you might have to think about in terms

[3:29:06] of that. That's moving into, That's

[3:29:11] almost double what we are talking about

[3:29:12] here.In this space. The other example,

[3:29:17] the other thing I always think about

[3:29:20] when I look at proposals like this is

[3:29:25] if the existing condition was as what

[3:29:26] is being proposed today, if sort of the

[3:29:29] vision was created and actually existed

[3:29:34] like there was the three lanes, the

[3:29:35] center lane and the turn lanes and

[3:29:36] there was nice street skates and there

[3:29:38] was buildings up to the corners, Would

[3:29:42] we be proposing toDo what's there today

[3:29:46] ? LikeWould we be sitting here today

[3:29:53] like what really needs to change, we

[3:29:54] need to remove those buildings, pull it

[3:29:55] back, I don't think we would be doing

[3:29:56] that.That generally helps meSort of

[3:30:01] trying to figure out whether we are

[3:30:05] moving in the right direction or not,

[3:30:06] if it's perfect or not, it's a whole

[3:30:11] another, I think whether we have

[3:30:12] certain criticisms and details of that

[3:30:13] but in generalAnd sometimes it does

[3:30:14] take time and in deference to

[3:30:19] (INAUDIBLE), he's right, it takes time,

[3:30:21] that is not, Things do not happen

[3:30:25] magically or immediately, that's real.

[3:30:30] And if we are going to decide to move

[3:30:31] forward with something like this,AsThe

[3:30:34] institutionGovernment, We are not, they

[3:30:38] are not, We are the planningAnd body for

[3:30:43] McKinleyville, Good or bad, and I think

[3:30:50] that that's the commitment that we

[3:30:51] make today, even if it's a split vote,

[3:30:53] whatever that is,If that's the direction

[3:31:01] That we have to support it, that's what

[3:31:02] I'm getting at, we have to provide the

[3:31:03] resources to do thatAnd then understand

[3:31:07] that the expectation is it brings value

[3:31:12] , Not just cultural value, safety value

[3:31:13] but economic valueTo that area. SoYes,

[3:31:24] Did I mentionLike a place I was

[3:31:29] thinking about is like Fort BraggAnd if

[3:31:35] you drive through Fort Bragg the

[3:31:36] highway narrows down to two lanes and

[3:31:37] it goes through, it winds up to four

[3:31:43] lanes for just a little while, but if

[3:31:44] you look at the difference between

[3:31:45] four-lane section and the two main

[3:31:46] section, the 29 section certainly has

[3:31:49] some congestion in it. But it also has

[3:31:52] the thriving storefronts and it has a

[3:31:53] communityThat's doing all kinds of stuff

[3:31:57] and I just can't imagine askingFort

[3:32:01] Bragg to widen that out to four lanes

[3:32:05] in that spot if somehow that would make

[3:32:06] that community better. And if you

[3:32:11] compare that to the section where they

[3:32:12] did widen it out to four lanesDown on

[3:32:14] the south end of that town, You are

[3:32:24] like the ticket running across the road

[3:32:25] there, it is really dangerous, the

[3:32:26] community is separated from its

[3:32:27] oceanfront properties, it has this very

[3:32:28] no man's land sort of feel to it in

[3:32:29] terms of, No pedestrians go walking

[3:32:36] from downtown down in that area, they

[3:32:37] just don't do it because it feels

[3:32:38] dangerous and they're not into it.So I

[3:32:40] could name off so many other examples

[3:32:43] of this that I've seen across the

[3:32:46] United States, Especially after you see

[3:32:50] these changes, so in thatI am confident

[3:32:56] That if we do embark on thisThat will

[3:33:00] do it withThe care that needs to be done

[3:33:05] And with the, We have to understand for

[3:33:15] the reasons why we would do something

[3:33:16] like this. Again, it's a safety part of

[3:33:17] this, There's a part about the culture,

[3:33:19] but really there's a strong economic

[3:33:22] BenefitTo making these kinds of

[3:33:29] changes. I also think that when this

[3:33:30] was widened out to four lanes we just

[3:33:31] really were just from a design

[3:33:34] perspective the engineers at that time

[3:33:36] Were just toldA different story. When

[3:33:45] you read about these sorts of things,

[3:33:46] they are sold in full that these types

[3:33:48] of infrastructuresWould create benefits

[3:33:51] that in general are not as, Didn't come

[3:33:59] to fruition in the way that we might

[3:34:00] imagine, especially rural America.

[3:34:01] That's what I have for now.

[3:34:09] >>We are going to go back to supervisor

[3:34:10] Arroyo.

[3:34:11] >>Thank you. I thought I was missing a

[3:34:12] quick question.

[3:34:24] [LAUGHING]

[3:34:25] >>I just went for it.

[3:34:26] >>Well, good.

[3:34:27] >>We all have lots of thoughts about

[3:34:28] this. This is a great opportunity for

[3:34:29] me to hear from different perspectives,

[3:34:30] we have heard a ton of comments from

[3:34:31] folks, Both today and in all manner of

[3:34:33] respondents, and I really will agree

[3:34:36] that the person who said it's really

[3:34:37] kind of roughly divided down the middle.

[3:34:39] About theThe traffic calming component

[3:34:46] of it, not necessarily the entirety of

[3:34:47] thisZoning amendment.And that includes

[3:35:04] all the many, many petitions and other

[3:35:05] methods of providing information. So

[3:35:06] there really is a lot of diversity of

[3:35:07] opinion, I think I've heard quite a few

[3:35:08] people say everyone feels the way I do

[3:35:09] and I'm here to tell you that not

[3:35:10] everyone feels the same way about it.

[3:35:16] It may be an indication that maybe the

[3:35:17] people you're in community with feel

[3:35:18] the same way but you've got an abundant

[3:35:19] diversity of feedback.SoI want to cut

[3:35:23] or share a few things about Humboldt

[3:35:24] County and our not awesomenessStaff's

[3:35:36] when it comes to roadways.

[3:35:37] Unfortunately, we have, we are fourth

[3:35:38] out of 58 counties in the stateFor

[3:35:42] bicycle collisions in fifth out of50

[3:35:48] counties in the state for equestrian

[3:35:49] collisions. More than twice the state

[3:35:50] average. We are working towards a

[3:35:53] vision zero approach where there are no

[3:35:57] Injuries or fatalities on her own ways

[3:36:02] We're not there yet. Is very

[3:36:04] unmentionable thatIn our work, I look

[3:36:09] forward to kind of keeping in the

[3:36:13] sites, Keithley is very red "Keeping in

[3:36:17] the front of your mind.It's the books

[3:36:26] this deadliest in the state for DUI.

[3:36:27] Some sobering no pun intended stats

[3:36:28] there.So Central Avenue, a couple of

[3:36:34] folks wondered why we are talking about

[3:36:35] are including it in thisZoning

[3:36:41] amendment and it's right in the middle

[3:36:42] of the area we are talking about, it

[3:36:43] bisects it, that is why. When it comes

[3:36:46] to the actual project area or zoning

[3:36:47] amendment area, because projects are

[3:36:51] yet to come, we are just talk about the

[3:36:52] zoning piece of it, andClick the

[3:36:55] infrastructure piece, there were

[3:38:24] (INAUDIBLE) roadways what's front and

[3:38:25] center, An example is given earlier

[3:38:27] about Eureka going from three in this

[3:38:34] case to two lanes and a large part of

[3:38:35] that was to reduce the crossing distance

[3:38:36] for the seniorsIn the high school and

[3:38:43] medicals middle school students at us

[3:38:44] all literally running across the street

[3:38:45] or waiting forA break in the traffic

[3:38:49] that never cameWhen using a mobility

[3:38:57] device. So I take it really to heart

[3:38:58] that these projects are not just about

[3:38:59] the users of theCentral Avenue in this

[3:39:00] case but alsoThose who are crossing.I

[3:39:08] have also worked on a lot of school

[3:39:13] projects in McKinleyville so I

[3:39:14] appreciate people bring those up and in

[3:39:15] the time that I have worked on those

[3:39:16] projects prior to being on this boardI

[3:39:22] got to see the evaluation of roots

[3:39:23] changed during that period of time from

[3:39:25] analyzing what used to be called level

[3:39:26] of service and has other terms, it is

[3:39:30] essentially about how many vehicles you

[3:39:31] can move through spaceTwo reducing

[3:39:34] vehicle miles traveled so the exact

[3:39:35] opposite goalIn evaluating the safety

[3:39:38] of all users in the roadwayAnd I will

[3:39:40] just say with what has been brought up

[3:39:47] about the youth getting to and from the

[3:39:48] school that's within this zoning

[3:39:49] amendment area, that is veryTop of mind

[3:39:52] for me, so we are planning for a space

[3:39:55] that is going to have a lot of youth

[3:39:57] and a lot of seniorsAnd they are not

[3:40:01] all going to be in vehicles, soI am

[3:40:05] pleased to see the process that's been

[3:40:06] undertaken. I support it fully, I am

[3:40:10] here and ready toMove forward after

[3:40:13] hearing about the abundantCommunity

[3:40:15] inputAnd also want to just add that I

[3:40:20] have heard all the input, there's been

[3:40:22] a lot of it, and just because those of

[3:40:24] us in this position, if we don't agree

[3:40:33] with some of the input, it doesn't mean

[3:40:34] it wasn't Herder there wasn't a robust

[3:40:35] Pro sauce "Process. Hopefully that's

[3:40:40] understood to everyone in this room but

[3:40:41] I still felt that I should say it. I

[3:40:42] did hearThe comment from the community

[3:40:43] member who wanted to talk aboutThe open

[3:40:46] space provisions andI imagine there is

[3:40:51] a lot ofDiscussion that went into that,

[3:40:58] but I would like to hear a little bit

[3:40:59] more about it, I also understand there

[3:41:00] areMultiple property owners likely to

[3:41:02] make significant investments hereThis

[3:41:06] may have been a compromise to try to

[3:41:07] find a way where we can move forward

[3:41:09] With the zoning amendment but those

[3:41:10] exact(INAUDIBLE) may still be in the

[3:41:17] design process down the line but I

[3:41:18] would love to hear little bit more

[3:41:19] about that half plus acre of open space.

[3:41:27] >>Chair?

[3:41:28] >>Go ahead.

[3:41:29] >>So this was a point of vigorous

[3:41:30] discussionAnd the original IDL was kind

[3:41:36] of usingThe Arcata Square as an example

[3:41:40] of size, And that is approximately an

[3:41:44] acre.And so some people liked that size

[3:41:51] . Other people wanted to leaveThe

[3:41:58] opportunity for either that decide to

[3:41:59] do something else where there's a lot

[3:42:00] more smaller open space areas spread out

[3:42:04] through the area and it's not justThe

[3:42:07] and Pearson property, obviously life

[3:42:11] plan Humboldt has an obligation, the

[3:42:15] property has an obligation in that as

[3:42:16] wellAs Pickett Road properties. They

[3:42:19] can either doOn their own, all of the,

[3:42:29] Or they can consolidate it, location,

[3:42:30] that would be negotiated between the

[3:42:31] property owners, So how they want that

[3:42:34] to occur. So really comes, I think part

[3:42:38] of the problem is no oneProperty is big

[3:42:40] enoughThat the minimal requirements be

[3:42:51] an acre on that property. He said it's

[3:42:52] got to be an anchor, you are basically

[3:42:53] saying that one property is going to

[3:42:54] have an acreOf open spaceDedicated to

[3:42:56] it and I thinkThat may have

[3:42:57] >>Thank you, that's helpful. I

[3:43:15] understand there's constraints of the

[3:43:16] property owners the what they intend to

[3:43:17] do, right?

[3:43:43] >>(INAUDIBLE) I appreciate the

[3:43:44] temporary reductions but that's not

[3:43:45] analogous to the final design of

[3:43:46] changing the roadway and people do

[3:43:47] behave differently when they see

[3:43:49] Temporary structuresAnd when they have

[3:43:52] permanent changes. I don't think they

[3:43:56] lack value, but I don't think there also

[3:43:58] a perfect analog for an engineered

[3:44:01] Roadway.

[3:44:06] >>Great, as vice chair, I will take

[3:44:11] over for a minute, the chair had to

[3:44:12] step out for a second, do we have any

[3:44:13] questions, commentsFrom supervisor Bohn?

[3:44:17] >>Well,All the input, I don't know,

[3:44:24] it's kind of funny because it was it was

[3:44:29] overwhelming at one time the other way

[3:44:30] and now it's 50-50. I think it's more

[3:44:31] than that to the residents.And then

[3:44:32] I've heardDegraded wetlands, We have a

[3:44:37] projectOn Central Avenue that's been 10

[3:44:42] years in the making for wetlandsThat

[3:44:49] was supposedly filled that was degraded

[3:44:50] and we have been dragging that on for

[3:44:51] hundreds of thousands of dollarsMuch to

[3:44:54] the property owners despair and willing

[3:44:55] to cooperate.I worry about this because

[3:45:00] now it's just degraded wetlands, will

[3:45:01] just move it and I have a basic

[3:45:02] understanding of that when I first

[3:45:07] started redwood feels 35 years ago in

[3:45:08] the first location because it had

[3:45:09] wetlands. Yes, we can do that back

[3:45:14] then. With that being said, Life plan

[3:45:19] sounds great and I think it is greatAnd

[3:45:22] I appreciate everybody that split their

[3:45:23] time inAnd it looks like a great

[3:45:25] project for a lot of people, There's

[3:45:28] benefits both for the people that live

[3:45:31] there and things like that, I

[3:45:34] appreciate in Pearson doing that, I

[3:45:35] remember and I thank her for kicking

[3:45:38] the ballfields out because we got

[3:45:39] Hiller Park, Which was the driving

[3:45:43] force, no wordplay for the kids for

[3:45:44] Little League.That's been 25 years ago.

[3:45:49] 20 years ago. So Kenny is nodding his

[3:45:56] head, he fully remembers that now our

[3:45:57] grandkids are playing, it's been a

[3:45:58] great thing. It's but we are planning

[3:46:02] to do this stuff and we are so far

[3:46:03] ahead of the game here, We have a

[3:46:07] conceptual plan that's probably going

[3:46:08] to get approved todayAnd, I don't know

[3:46:18] how to say this nicely, I really have a

[3:46:19] hard time with the road diet but I

[3:46:22] don't want to vote against it because

[3:46:23] that usually means I trigger votes for

[3:46:24] it.So with the hat "With that, look at

[3:46:34] the old movie, with that being said,

[3:46:35] it's a $20 million projectOr more, It's

[3:46:41] going to be a total mess, a lot of it

[3:46:42] is driven, again, byOutside sources,

[3:46:45] and I just, I am hearing from so many

[3:46:47] people, What I would've loved and I am

[3:46:56] not going to be age discriminatory, but

[3:46:57] I would love to see somebody under 50

[3:46:58] years old speak today, Randy is even

[3:46:59] over that, I think.But I mean in all

[3:47:04] honestly we need to get the young

[3:47:05] involved. Talking to the young in the

[3:47:06] process, Much like a homecoming game

[3:47:11] and everything else, they don't like the

[3:47:15] idea, either, and I think we should

[3:47:16] see where life plan goesBefore we start

[3:47:22] tearing up the road:because we have

[3:47:23] heard what happens when it goes down to

[3:47:24] two lanes, and I'm pretty sure there's

[3:47:29] a pretty good road study would we put

[3:47:30] the green bike lanes it and everything

[3:47:31] else there's a pretty good study back

[3:47:32] thenCE some of the congestion. Unable

[3:47:35] to force us out of cars, I know that's

[3:47:36] the whole idea, HIC, all of that stuff

[3:47:38] and everything else. I've tried, I

[3:47:41] can't do the bus.I don't have enough

[3:47:46] time in the day, I have a 12 hour day

[3:47:47] already. So, And I served on HDA, and I

[3:47:53] think it's a great tool for a lot of

[3:47:54] people.I support the life plan. I just

[3:48:03] think the road died is pushing it but I

[3:48:04] think that's what they are going, using

[3:48:05] as a tool, AndOverwhelming, the people,

[3:48:15] the regular residents of McKinleyville

[3:48:16] did not want all those people in their

[3:48:17] arterial streets and prime exampleIs

[3:48:19] I've fought five years ago for a

[3:48:24] streetlight in Okun F, we have added

[3:48:25] two more stoplights on Broadway, tried

[3:48:28] to get on F Street from Oak or any the

[3:48:29] side streets between7:39:31 unless we

[3:48:37] have matching funds are not going to do

[3:48:38] it now the price is going to be so

[3:48:39] expensive but they are still having

[3:48:40] accidentsThey don't call the police,

[3:48:41] they got a fender bender, it doesn't

[3:48:42] matter, There's been some serious

[3:48:46] accidents. I heard one statistic that

[3:48:51] Central at avenue after the change was

[3:48:52] the fifth safestAnd then the fatality,

[3:48:58] I think the one fatality was brought up

[3:48:59] an extremely drunk driver, I believe.

[3:49:00] You still in jail. It's like all the

[3:49:02] accidents on Broadway, I don't know, I

[3:49:06] checked, it's been years but I checked

[3:49:10] and there is no incorrigible accidents

[3:49:11] which means people wereEvery day, they

[3:49:14] are crossing the middle-of-the-road.I

[3:49:16] guessYou don't see it if you don't

[3:49:20] drive it, but there are so many

[3:49:26] shopping carts again the get hit and

[3:49:27] everything else they get written up as

[3:49:28] an accident.We put into crosswalks I

[3:49:31] guess there's another one planned, but

[3:49:32] I've had peopleProcess at the Verizon

[3:49:37] store less than 100 yards away at the

[3:49:38] theater.SoI can't support the road diet

[3:49:45] because it is think it's the cart is so

[3:49:48] far ahead of the horse, and you canMike

[3:49:58] was talking about he's written to other

[3:49:59] books, it's going to a great audience,

[3:50:00] makingMoney, he's blaming it on injury

[3:50:05] from 80 years ago. We have learned

[3:50:11] guessing, we've seen some of the gases

[3:50:12] in Eureka and they are not working.

[3:50:13] They don't seem to be working. It's not

[3:50:19] working, here by saying that, I don't

[3:50:20] see anybody there. I see them trying to

[3:50:21] turn, trying to get on Wabash, it's a

[3:50:22] cluster.So that's where I stand, I know

[3:50:31] I can count to three in my head, so I'm

[3:50:32] not too worried about it but that's

[3:50:33] where I'm going to stand.

[3:50:34] >>Can you clarify your standing, you

[3:50:37] would like the land but you don't like

[3:50:38] the Rowe diet?

[3:50:39] >>I thinkIfThe life plan comes it's a

[3:50:51] great idea, just when everybody likes

[3:50:52] them, wetlands and everybody else, we

[3:50:53] can move it, we can do that, we can do

[3:50:54] that but the problem is it's used as a

[3:50:55] tool or weapon against a lot of

[3:50:59] projects too because there a lot

[3:51:00] willing to move wetlands and everything

[3:51:01] else, oh my gosh, you do that.So I will

[3:51:03] post a zero diet just because I have

[3:51:04] some, I have a lot more faith of the

[3:51:06] peopleOf McKinleyville that have been

[3:51:10] there 40, 50 years in the businesses.

[3:51:20] In the businesses, I will tell you

[3:51:21] what, there's a couple people up here

[3:51:22] that got up and spoke that if that plan

[3:51:23] happens there probably going to build it

[3:51:25] But they had let them know that they

[3:51:26] didn't basically approve it. The life

[3:51:27] plan partI think housing for seniors,

[3:51:31] great, I think you guys for adding some

[3:51:32] affordable or low income housing, that

[3:51:33] was nice of you, That's what everybody

[3:51:37] has to do with the county.I hope that

[3:51:40] clarifies it.

[3:51:44] >>Okay.Okay, sure. I probably will have

[3:51:54] more to say, but supervisor Madrone

[3:51:55] like to go last. I have a couple of

[3:51:56] questionsFor Director Ford, and I want

[3:51:59] to make sure that Mr. Benson over there

[3:52:02] didn't want to add something?If you

[3:52:11] don't, that's okay, but if you do,

[3:52:12] that's okay too. Your good? Okay.SoPart

[3:52:15] of theThing that came out of the

[3:52:25] planning commission is that, first of

[3:52:26] all, I want to say I recognize being

[3:52:27] slow down is a pain in the butt, I

[3:52:28] travel a ton, I live very rural remote

[3:52:32] And I'm always in a hurry, it seems

[3:52:33] like, so having the thought of your

[3:52:34] daily commuteBe changed and added time

[3:52:39] or have to leave earlier in the morning

[3:52:40] or have to get your kids up earlierIs

[3:52:41] quite a thought, right?But also

[3:52:44] recognize thatWhen you go faster,

[3:52:48] safety becomesNot as, That increases

[3:52:58] safety concerns as well. I've heard you

[3:52:59] guys say about the safetyBy having the

[3:53:07] roads cut down. I also know some tub

[3:53:08] slowing down increases safetyAnd so

[3:53:17] that's, I don't live in McKinleyville,

[3:53:18] it's not my district, I don't go there

[3:53:19] often so I haven't been there and seen

[3:53:20] all that, I really do want to recognize

[3:53:21] that but also like my colleague said, I

[3:53:22] really want to thank everybody for

[3:53:23] their letters and their emails, which

[3:53:25] were really about 50-50For and against,

[3:53:32] the road diet, not too many against the

[3:53:33] McKinleyville center plan but the road

[3:53:34] died itselfWas the biggest concern.

[3:53:39] With that being said, my questions to

[3:53:40] Director Ford are so out of the

[3:53:41] planning commissionIt says that they

[3:53:43] encourage forTraffic study. I have a

[3:53:50] bunch of questions, so it is, to go to

[3:53:51] the lineIf we do a traffic study, what

[3:53:59] would be different in the future than

[3:54:00] what we haven't already done?

[3:54:02] >>I think it would take a look at a

[3:54:03] broader area and look atWhere traffic

[3:54:07] is actually going to and coming from, I

[3:54:09] thinkThere is a lot ofTrafficOn Central

[3:54:16] AvenueThat doesn't necessarily go

[3:54:23] through the town center. Your invited

[3:54:24] roles hope " it drives the whole month.

[3:54:26] To really coming to understandWhere the

[3:54:30] heaviest traffic isAndUnderstandingWhat

[3:54:37] the needs of the community areI think

[3:54:40] the planning commission not only was

[3:54:44] looking at this as an opportunity toDo

[3:54:53] a deeper dive but also look at

[3:54:54] transportation as a whole. So that

[3:54:56] would include not onlyThe road diet but

[3:55:00] it would also includeHow do weAffect

[3:55:07] better bicycle connections?. It's hard

[3:55:18] to get to the town centerFor roads that

[3:55:26] exist because it's really not a good

[3:55:27] place to ride. Beginning to really

[3:55:28] examine all of those things for the

[3:55:29] community.

[3:55:30] >>Thank you for that, and then in the

[3:55:31] study that's currently been done, I

[3:55:32] think there'sThree or four exits off

[3:55:36] the freeway that come into McKinleyville

[3:55:39] ? I know for three for sure.Is there

[3:55:43] five? Predict if you call up to

[3:55:44] If you go all the way up to

[3:55:45] >>I don't know if you know of the users

[3:55:56] that use central Avenue, is there an

[3:55:57] alternative route for them that they

[3:55:59] can utilize those other five exits to

[3:56:01] access their homes?

[3:56:02] >>The first office central and anybody

[3:56:12] that's going to go east on to Sutter is

[3:56:13] going to get there for sure. Probably

[3:56:14] anybody going to Heartwood is going to

[3:56:17] get off there. Realistically, if you're

[3:56:18] going up to the McKinleyville shopping

[3:56:19] center, The Safeway are getting off

[3:56:21] there even if it does get into the

[3:56:25] (INAUDIBLE) area. For peopleThat live

[3:56:28] north, If you are doing that get off on

[3:56:34] school Road, it's going to take you

[3:56:35] longer.If you go up to bury road that

[3:56:39] you are backtracking. But if you live

[3:56:42] on to the north and the town or ifIf

[3:56:49] you live in the north end of town the's

[3:56:51] it makes sense to go for very(INAUDIBLE)

[3:57:04] offered Tubbs I would not drive down

[3:57:05] to Washington and go to school, would

[3:57:07] go up to Murray and get on the freeway,

[3:57:10] Provide up to buryTo McKinley Villa

[3:57:13] Drive South, So there's a line in there

[3:57:20] sometimes and sometimes it SUSTIVA day,

[3:57:21] it's just easier.

[3:57:28] >>Of the red diet is an approved want

[3:57:29] to setDue to theHumblePlan?

[3:57:30] >>It doesn't affect.

[3:57:31] >>So the comments it's something they

[3:57:37] want is more for theWalk ability, a

[3:57:42] right ability for slower processes?

[3:57:44] >>I don't think life plan isThe primary

[3:57:48] advocate or driver. That came out of

[3:57:52] the committee.Where there are policies

[3:57:59] Asking forAnd how to make connections

[3:58:06] from the west to the eastAnd how to

[3:58:12] address bicycle safety and to slow

[3:58:13] traffic. That, Understanding that was

[3:58:17] discussed as part of the community plan

[3:58:20] And I don't want toWe were all hearsay

[3:58:25] to see inappropriate, but maybe thatThe

[3:58:35] policies that will put into the plan to

[3:58:36] re-examine it, here we are again and we

[3:58:37] are re-examining it again it's my

[3:58:39] understanding providing the same

[3:58:40] recommendations. Paramedic if we offer

[3:59:04] an understanding of the road diet

[3:59:05] process, what does that look like? Does

[3:59:06] it come back to the board before would

[3:59:07] be reapproved? Would he go back to

[3:59:08] commission? What would it look like in

[3:59:09] the long run?

[3:59:11] >>It depends on how you want to

[3:59:12] structure for the approval. If you were

[3:59:13] looking to have the study done before

[3:59:14] you begin to do any improvements, You

[3:59:21] have the study completed, And that

[3:59:28] should go through the Micmac that you

[3:59:29] go through TST community shelter, That

[3:59:44] something to move forward with her than

[3:59:45] funding would be stopped to go out to

[3:59:46] do whatever the results of the study

[3:59:48] are. It could be as simple as just

[3:59:49] central but it could be more

[3:59:51] comprehensiveLooking at other areas in

[3:59:55] the McKinleyville networkOf connection

[4:00:00] Which would be pedestrian, bicycle,

[4:00:01] public transitAn automobile traffic.

[4:00:02] >>Who pays for traffic study?

[4:00:10] >>In this case, that would either be

[4:00:11] done through the countyOr through grant

[4:00:14] funding.And I will tell you the most

[4:00:19] expensive part of the EIR that was done

[4:00:25] Was the service analysis that was done.

[4:00:28] >>Those are my questions for right now.

[4:00:37] I'll wait until there's more comments

[4:00:38] before I add more. Thank you.

[4:00:39] Supervisor Madrone?

[4:00:41] >>Thank you, Madam Chair.I've got a few

[4:00:44] thank you's I want to offer first, the

[4:00:47] biggest one is thank you forFor the

[4:00:49] community for those who have shown up

[4:00:55] today and submitted comments, not only

[4:00:56] in the last week or so but through the

[4:00:57] whole process and I will tell you all

[4:00:58] the phone callsAnd all the other input

[4:01:04] I get at the grocery store and

[4:01:05] everywhere else, it has been 50/50

[4:01:08] split for me, I think we all have our

[4:01:09] different audiences and people on this

[4:01:19] board may have had different

[4:01:20] experiences, maybe they heard mostly

[4:01:21] opposition, maybe there'd mostly

[4:01:22] support, will tell you from my

[4:01:23] perspective it's been about 50/50.And I

[4:01:24] will say thatEvery person that has

[4:01:25] commented and hasn't even commented,

[4:01:32] all those opinions are valid, every one

[4:01:33] of them is valid, no matter what they

[4:01:34] felt about it and I know this board

[4:01:40] takes all of those comments seriously,

[4:01:41] as do I.

[4:01:42] But I really want to think and person.

[4:01:46] When I first joined this board in 2019,

[4:01:47] started attending the Micmac meetings,

[4:01:50] And and was there, and she continuously

[4:01:59] brought forth this vision of wanting to

[4:02:00] be able to use her undeveloped

[4:02:01] properties to create a town center and

[4:02:02] a character for the town which she had

[4:02:03] many people felt that while many people

[4:02:05] think Central Avenue is wonderful, It

[4:02:09] was kind of like a maze three USA and

[4:02:11] not really a town center. So her and

[4:02:16] she is maintain that vision from the

[4:02:17] startAnd I cannot thank her enough peer

[4:02:21] can pack in fact the wholeFamily has

[4:02:30] been good to humble. I think the

[4:02:31] Pearson family and and in particular

[4:02:37] for that. I want to thank and Lindsay

[4:02:38] and her board and her volunteers for

[4:02:39] bringing forth this vision of life plan

[4:02:40] Humboldt.I also want to think this

[4:02:44] board. Without this boards support for

[4:02:49] planning staff to engage for six years,

[4:02:55] And we have been any otherPlans, zoning

[4:03:05] plans changes that need to be applied,

[4:03:06] many other things, thank you as board

[4:03:07] members for your support of that staff

[4:03:08] time, Primarily by Director Ford, who

[4:03:11] lives in McKinleyville.We are lucky for

[4:03:13] that.But also, funding to complete the

[4:03:18] EIR. Without your support for that, we

[4:03:23] would be here today. Thank you for that.

[4:03:32] Want to think the back for the six

[4:03:33] years of dedication, and I know some

[4:03:34] people said they did listen,I think

[4:03:42] what that is is if you make comments

[4:03:43] and your comments aren't necessarily

[4:03:44] what the end result is, it feels like

[4:03:45] you haven't been heard. I can

[4:03:46] appreciate that. I will sell you that

[4:03:50] Because of you this "magnificent job.

[4:03:57] The meetings have had 10 to 30 people

[4:03:58] or more, we had a couple 40 or 50 people

[4:04:07] , Is a large cross-section of the

[4:04:08] community? No. But in terms of public

[4:04:09] participation is pretty significant.

[4:04:10] Really, you think "rarely do you get

[4:04:25] people showing up until the very end

[4:04:26] and then you get all kinds of comments.

[4:04:27] Go to think the Micmac and the NCS

[4:04:28] team. They have two representatives of

[4:04:29] the Micmac and they have engaged in

[4:04:30] discussions as we see here today with

[4:04:31] one of the directors here as well as a

[4:04:32] general managerSharing with us their

[4:04:33] concerns aboutTheThe traffic calming

[4:04:41] proposals and stuff like that, or

[4:04:42] things in this data is done in the

[4:04:51] back, fantastic job, they represent the

[4:04:52] community. It's not easy to make those

[4:04:53] appointments hereOn the border to try

[4:05:02] to make sure of that but I will tell

[4:05:03] you have had a number of very liberal

[4:05:04] people in order to get on Micmac and

[4:05:05] instead I can't move all that is that

[4:05:06] it so Lego "(INAUDIBLE)I think we are

[4:05:13] better for having that diverse group. I

[4:05:14] wanted to thank those who took the time

[4:05:15] to actually move beyond their

[4:05:16] reactionary thoughts about traffic,

[4:05:22] begin stuff and actually put a line, I

[4:05:23] did some research about traffic, be it

[4:05:24] about smartAnd that are one of theUse.

[4:05:40] It's one thing to make a quick

[4:05:41] reactionary comment but to follow that

[4:05:47] And do the research, be careful that,

[4:05:48] it might change your mind. I want to

[4:05:49] thank those that really took that time

[4:05:50] to dig in and if you haven't had that

[4:05:51] time do thatThere's a lot of

[4:06:00] information out there that will help

[4:06:01] you how these things will beForm,

[4:06:04] viewpoint toSix years, the toes and

[4:06:12] orders of her "The (INAUDIBLE) put into

[4:06:17] the(INAUDIBLE) ultimately supposed to

[4:06:37] follow through and make happen but it

[4:06:38] didn't happen for 19 years. It really

[4:06:39] get started till 2019 and why that is

[4:06:40] we can all conjecture why it never got

[4:06:41] started or didn't happen, some

[4:06:42] commenters today talk about how we did

[4:06:43] want a town center, so I'm sure some of

[4:06:44] that had something to do with that, but

[4:06:45] at any rate, things change, leadership

[4:06:46] changed at the board and at the Micmac

[4:06:47] and ultimatelyWe got started on really

[4:06:48] figuring out how toMove that forward

[4:06:50] and get it done and I want to say that

[4:06:53] a lot of that had to do withThis group

[4:07:03] called the organizing committee, of

[4:07:04] which several rivers are here today.

[4:07:05] And they all worked really hard to keep

[4:07:06] this vision aliveFor a town center.

[4:07:07] ThereFailed continuing to bring that

[4:07:14] order. I would recognize Bonnie

[4:07:15] McGregor who is here today.

[4:07:16] [ APPLAUSE ]

[4:07:18] Yes.We are supposed to not clap, you

[4:07:25] can do this, I guess. Bonnie, you and

[4:07:26] many other members of your group That

[4:07:32] Vision alive along with in person. I

[4:07:33] can't thank you enough, I want to thank

[4:07:34] you enough is a better way of saying

[4:07:56] that. All the members of that group did

[4:07:57] keep it alive. They were a big element

[4:07:58] getting them painted by clades along

[4:07:59] central and other things like that,

[4:08:00] there are many other people, and no

[4:08:01] shell and others have a lot to do with

[4:08:02] trying to make sure central could be as

[4:08:03] safe as it could be being a four-way

[4:08:04] thoroughfare and all that stuff. So I

[4:08:05] appreciate all that, but here we are,

[4:08:06] finally after 19 years this thing

[4:08:07] startedIn six years worth of work has

[4:08:08] gone into thisAnd while the sports

[4:08:09] deliberation is super important,

[4:08:11] there's no way that four hours of

[4:08:12] deliberation can replace six years

[4:08:13] worth of effort by the community

[4:08:15] Although our opinions matter as well

[4:08:16] and I appreciateThe question from the

[4:08:21] board that have already been asked to

[4:08:22] try to clarify things.Central is not

[4:08:28] safe. It might be safe for cars the way

[4:08:29] is when constrained or developed, but

[4:08:32] it is not safer for pedestriansIn the

[4:08:37] stories I too have seen situations like

[4:08:38] this previous editor, Previous board

[4:08:45] member Rhett Wesley Chapel talk about

[4:08:46] hiking we stopped in the right lane

[4:08:47] flashing lights for the crosswalks are

[4:08:48] going off,Children start crossing with

[4:08:52] the car in the left lane does not

[4:08:53] reflectCrossing lights and they just

[4:08:58] barrel through, we are talking about

[4:08:59] lives on the line here, near misses and

[4:09:01] things like that.So we need to figure

[4:09:07] something out. Maybe what we've already

[4:09:08] propose is exactly you and I'll talk a

[4:09:11] little more about that.I do agree that

[4:09:15] the planning commission recommendation

[4:09:21] Her comprehensive circulation study for

[4:09:22] the entire community makes a lot of

[4:09:24] sense, a lot of us would theWe did look

[4:09:30] outside the impact of itWe did look at

[4:09:37] the potential for on-ramp and offer help

[4:09:51] , We did look at McKinleyville Avenue.

[4:09:52] That's the furthest out we have looked,

[4:09:53] that roundabout. We did look at the

[4:09:54] Hiller ramps, that just came up during

[4:09:55] this process and I was very pleased

[4:09:56] with Caltrans responseThat they thought

[4:10:14] wow, that would be a game changer. I

[4:10:15] think we can all agree if there was an

[4:10:16] on-ramp and offramp going south that

[4:10:17] would be a game changer because that

[4:10:18] connects right to the town center, it's

[4:10:19] in the middle of town, while there

[4:10:20] currently are five ways to get into

[4:10:21] McKinleyville, that's the missing link,

[4:10:22] that's the one that's perhaps most

[4:10:23] importantTo really change the

[4:10:24] circulation patterns on Central and on

[4:10:25] McKinleyville Avenue without flooding

[4:10:26] the neighborhoods, frankly.So I am very

[4:10:27] excited about looking into that further

[4:10:28] with Caltrans.

[4:10:34] Additionally, it may not be well known

[4:10:35] but this ordinance calls for completion

[4:10:36] of the Mintel trail. Several people

[4:10:37] spoke about thatAs a really great way

[4:10:38] to offerAn alternative route separate

[4:10:39] from centralTo walk, so it's language,

[4:10:45] it is it railroad it picks up again

[4:10:50] that in Heartwood. To complete that

[4:10:51] through the testsLife plan Humboldt is

[4:10:54] dedicated to thatIn the ordinance calls

[4:11:01] for completion for the whole property.

[4:11:02] That is going to be another game changer

[4:11:06] to have that completed trail. The rest

[4:11:07] of Humboldt County has often been a

[4:11:08] little jealous of McKinleyvilleWith its

[4:11:18] trail, and once we complete the midtown

[4:11:19] trail that is a complete piece of that

[4:11:20] wonderful aspects. There are proposals

[4:11:21] for roundabouts as we speakAnd

[4:11:22] volunteers in the community including

[4:11:23] Micmac, we are trying outSome quick

[4:11:31] build ideas of Heller Road as we speak,

[4:11:32] including testing at around about with

[4:11:33] temporary measures that Hillary Road.

[4:11:35] This really exciting, because those two

[4:11:38] could be a chain changer.

[4:11:53] Open spaces mentioned and I too like

[4:11:54] Bonnie feel like it would be nice to

[4:11:55] have more open space and I can tell you

[4:11:56] in my discussions with Ann Pearson she

[4:11:57] feels that way too. She feels very much

[4:11:58] like through the middle of the

[4:11:59] developmentThere some wetland areas

[4:12:03] that they could be developed into duck

[4:12:04] ponds. It won't satisfy have been

[4:12:05] wetland mitigation, per se, but it

[4:12:06] could be amenitiesTo the hotelAnd I

[4:12:14] have a lot of faith in what she did in

[4:12:15] setting up this nonprofit foundation to

[4:12:16] carry forward through vision. I have a

[4:12:21] lot of faith they will look for

[4:12:22] opportunities to agree even more open

[4:12:23] space. I appreciate the comments people

[4:12:27] and they know that. It is well

[4:12:28] documented that density was one of

[4:12:29] those things helps create a vibrantSend

[4:12:31] center. TheWhy would we be making these

[4:12:56] retail spaces would we have them

[4:12:57] already? I am here to tell you there's

[4:12:58] some really big picture stuff going on

[4:12:59] in McKinleyville that I know you know

[4:13:00] about or maybe you don't but the idea

[4:13:01] of improving the vista point facility

[4:13:02] on 101 so we can pull visitors off the

[4:13:03] highway and right now how many other

[4:13:04] hotels, motels are there in

[4:13:05] McKinleyville? One. Holiday Inn. One.

[4:13:06] Steve Mosher who has gotten the entire

[4:13:10] Airport business Park permit is set

[4:13:11] often to be the one set disappoint

[4:13:12] facility is able to get people off the

[4:13:13] highway even if you're going northOr

[4:13:14] South, That will cause his business

[4:13:27] card to fill out the very short period

[4:13:28] of time. Humboldt County's airport is

[4:13:29] growing, and we have actually property

[4:13:30] at the airport that could be developed

[4:13:31] in hotels, motels, and other types of

[4:13:32] things, and the town center for its

[4:13:36] (INAUDIBLE) was census going to do is

[4:13:37] bring a lot of income in from outside

[4:13:38] the community that is going along with

[4:13:39] the densification of life plan Humboldt

[4:13:42] Is going to lead to a vibrant town

[4:13:43] center retail operation. We are going

[4:13:44] to ceaseStorage filled up, Bob would

[4:13:48] perhaps "Mom and pops be able to freaks

[4:13:55] succeed. I look forward to that day. In

[4:14:03] our meetings, it was split on the

[4:14:04] density issue between population age,

[4:14:05] what with the Asian interests of people?

[4:14:11] The young people are like I love it,

[4:14:12] it's vibrant. Price older folks, let's

[4:14:13] just keep it down.That also is very

[4:14:14] splitIn particular by age group which I

[4:14:20] think is interesting. I believe this

[4:14:21] process will lead to increasedVibrant

[4:14:26] retail environment we also know to do a

[4:14:36] traffic study that was done thanks to

[4:14:37] the efforts of the coalition for

[4:14:38] responsible transportation priorities,

[4:14:39] we got a grant to actually study

[4:14:40] transit in McKinleyville because right

[4:14:44] now we just kind of have it through

[4:14:45] transit, we don't have an intercity

[4:14:46] transit, and that is because we are not

[4:14:47] dense enough, we are sprawled out over

[4:14:48] all over Pierce's well document thatBy

[4:14:53] identifying that will lead to intercity

[4:14:54] traffic which I and many others look

[4:14:58] forward to which would then make the

[4:14:59] community transit "Commuting transit,

[4:15:12] people who want to get from one place

[4:15:13] to the next without wandering around

[4:15:14] town, that's a very exciting thing.

[4:15:15] It's also been mentioned that during

[4:15:16] construction people saw this incredible

[4:15:17] trafficCongestion and delays, people

[4:15:19] are waiting at least another couple of

[4:15:20] minutes to get to their homes, It is

[4:15:26] interesting with his well documented

[4:15:27] also that is not a fair test of what it

[4:15:30] would look like with improvements. It

[4:15:31] was a permit changes, we adjust our

[4:15:34] behavior.If Heller ramps are there, not

[4:15:47] if, when they are there, that will

[4:15:48] create another option for people get

[4:15:53] directly home, etc. That some of the

[4:15:54] comments I have at this time, I'm sure

[4:15:55] the rest of the board will also have

[4:15:58] more comments but I wanted to go ahead

[4:15:59] make a motion at this time. It's not to

[4:16:04] shut down discussion, because often we

[4:16:05] will make a motion if there's a second,

[4:16:06] others were discussion. I wanted to go

[4:16:07] ahead and just go ahead andMake a

[4:16:10] motion at this timeTo basically improve

[4:16:13] staff recommendation, which is to adopt

[4:16:21] the resolution to certify the

[4:16:22] environmental impact report and pending

[4:16:23] adoption of the statement of overriding

[4:16:24] consideration for the Towncenter zoning

[4:16:25] amendment ordinance and to adopt the

[4:16:28] mitigation monitoring the reporting

[4:16:29] programAnd to adopt the resolution to

[4:16:34] make all required for end-user approval

[4:16:39] and zoning ordinance amendment to

[4:16:40] change the zoning of the town center to

[4:16:41] mixed-use with the Q Zone overlay to

[4:16:45] develop criteria and adopt the

[4:16:47] ordinance to mixed-use with the Q Zone

[4:16:55] overlay to establish development

[4:16:56] criteria and also, very important, to

[4:17:01] add to this, planning commission

[4:17:02] recommendation for a comprehensive

[4:17:03] circulation planAnd coordination of

[4:17:12] that development process and review

[4:17:13] with the kid LouisvilleService district

[4:17:22] and community. In a way that does with

[4:17:23] a lot of people ask for which is

[4:17:24] bifurcate this. That was the end of our

[4:17:25] motion, and that is will point out that

[4:17:26] whatever we do, Whatever that looks

[4:17:27] like in terms of traffic calmingDetails

[4:17:32] , This will not happen overnight. It

[4:17:33] took us(INAUDIBLE) so we will work with

[4:17:48] age,, we look for grants, and that will

[4:17:49] take some time, but we will get it right

[4:17:59] , We will figure out how to make it

[4:18:00] safe for convenience and cars and add

[4:18:01] pedestrians and bicyclists. I hope we

[4:18:02] all stay committed to that low-grade

[4:18:03] opportunity.

[4:18:06] >>Second, if I could speak to my motion

[4:18:07] that would be great. First of all,I

[4:18:09] wanted to confirm to everybody that we

[4:18:13] received a lot of comments and read a

[4:18:14] lot of emailsAnd receive some phone

[4:18:17] calls all things. From allOf us who

[4:18:21] consider ourselves regularAnd all of us

[4:18:26] who consider ourselves irregular which

[4:18:27] I suppose is everybody in Humboldt

[4:18:28] County.And I will say that there was

[4:18:35] just a lot of, What was reflected in

[4:18:48] the comments was the amount of time

[4:18:49] people spent knowing on this, but I

[4:18:50] don't mean just the remote issue but

[4:18:51] all the other parts as well. There's an

[4:18:52] interesting comment and criticism,

[4:18:56] John, of the ministerial nature of the,

[4:18:58] I want to, of the process for the

[4:19:04] development or redevelopment of some of

[4:19:05] these properties in this form based

[4:19:07] code. Could you just. There's a

[4:19:24] positive and negative do this in some

[4:19:25] people's minds which one is especially

[4:19:26] in California, a lot of other places

[4:19:27] have been criticized we slow down the

[4:19:28] development decision agree that

[4:19:30] Processes themselves to allow for that

[4:19:32] of new housingAnd one who's inThis

[4:19:44] (INAUDIBLE) based process, so can you

[4:19:45] summarize that so we can understand a

[4:19:46] little bit?Favorite a.In part of our

[4:19:54] general planning we are required to do

[4:19:55] itIs remove encumbrances. There a lot

[4:20:05] of time for housing development this

[4:20:11] requires discretionary items. So

[4:20:12] McKinleyville community plan,

[4:20:15] identified there should be a design

[4:20:16] review committee establishedTo create

[4:20:18] guidelinesFor a developmentWithin the

[4:20:24] town center.So the committee was to

[4:20:28] create the guidelines..

[4:20:29] >>But then the place is something a

[4:20:37] little different.It says (INAUDIBLE).

[4:20:42] Normally when you have design review,

[4:20:44] it includes a requirementFor special

[4:20:47] permit.So interpreting that, what that

[4:20:55] means is we don't have the

[4:20:56] discretionary process. What will happen

[4:21:01] when development comes in is thatThe

[4:21:05] style of development, the way it's laid

[4:21:07] out

[4:21:17] >>(INAUDIBLE). It will be, what

[4:21:27] happened to the plate of building

[4:21:28] department, on application comes in,

[4:21:30] they gets referred to a bunch of

[4:21:33] different places, and one of those. The

[4:21:38] plannerTo ever for the ordinance. It

[4:21:48] will be looking at the development to

[4:21:49] ensure all those criteriaThat are in

[4:21:53] this ordinance are being complied with

[4:21:55] and the way it's laid out are being

[4:21:56] complied with.And that this is a site

[4:22:00] plan, includes the run-up with theSo it

[4:22:12] went pretty much a parking income

[4:22:13] notices very clear,Except for willfully

[4:22:22] Fayetteville family residential and

[4:22:23] even then it's limited.That will all

[4:22:26] get reviewed before the drilling permit.

[4:22:41] I do want to point out for comparison

[4:22:42] that's not really a change from

[4:22:43] existing conditions.

[4:22:44] This is not a streamlining element of

[4:22:45] this. I guess the concern was the

[4:22:46] community would have less of an input

[4:22:52] What you're trying to streamline

[4:22:53] things, just to. Are we going to

[4:22:59] streamline this process or not?

[4:23:07] >>It'sMy want to look at any process

[4:23:17] that's possible.

[4:23:18] >>I agree with the findings, they were

[4:23:19] well-written, I think they speakTo what

[4:23:25] we are trying to do in Humboldt County.

[4:23:26] I want to speak to every single comment

[4:23:27] , whether you are for or against the

[4:23:29] particular part of this project, Was

[4:23:40] made because everybody wants a better,

[4:23:41] healthier, happier community to live

[4:23:42] in, I think we just sometimes disagree

[4:23:43] on strategy to get there, but in

[4:23:45] general, everybody really wants the

[4:23:46] same thing.I personally am not as

[4:23:54] enthused the supervisor Madrone about

[4:23:55] doing another traffic study. If that's

[4:24:07] what gets this over the hope that I

[4:24:08] think that's the way we go. I think the

[4:24:09] traffic study that was done is pretty

[4:24:10] comprehensive, I think thatIt looks that

[4:24:13] Almost everything you would want to in

[4:24:14] thisAndAgain, More importantly, I want

[4:24:21] toEncourage, Again, more development, a

[4:24:28] redevelopment of the town centers

[4:24:29] possible.I don't want traffic study

[4:24:45] that will come up with the same results

[4:24:46] to slow things down. With that I am

[4:24:47] still supportive of the motionAs it

[4:24:48] stands.

[4:24:57] >>Supervisor Arroyo?

[4:24:58] >>I concur, was ready to approve staff

[4:24:59] recommendation, I know you don't want

[4:25:00] to slow down the process, it's been 6+

[4:25:05] years, much longer than that, that this

[4:25:06] has been envisioned and it sounds like

[4:25:07] before that many of the folks who are

[4:25:08] hereIn the room today are have reached

[4:25:09] out to usWere opposed to the design

[4:25:14] changesThat we now have. I think we

[4:25:22] have seen enough time go by, we have

[4:25:23] learned lessons aboutTraffic decided

[4:25:26] road safety that we didn't know before,

[4:25:32] And I also as the resident millennial

[4:25:33] on this board, You said you wanted to

[4:25:39] hear from long young folks, I abatedA

[4:25:43] lot of people my age and much younger

[4:25:44] than me, some who have resuscitated in

[4:25:49] the public process and some who have

[4:25:50] not and are really excited about the

[4:25:51] density of the multimodal improvements

[4:25:52] That are proposed.I heard both that you

[4:25:59] have to have lived in the community for

[4:26:00] 40 or 50 years or you have to be under

[4:26:01] a certain age. In the Louisville we

[4:26:06] have heard from both folks in both

[4:26:07] those categories. So I appreciate all

[4:26:10] the community input, but I wrote a

[4:26:12] ready to hopefully move forward and

[4:26:14] make this processMove along.

[4:26:22] >>Supervisor Bohn?

[4:26:24] >>I have made myself clear. I can count

[4:26:26] to three. Maybe more.

[4:26:27] >>Supervisor Madrone?

[4:26:28] >>Thank you, chair, just to be clear,

[4:26:39] John, this condition I have added to

[4:26:40] the staff recommendation for the

[4:26:41] comprehensive circulation plan,

[4:26:42] coordination all designs with CSDIn

[4:26:43] Micmac, That doesn't stop Towncenter

[4:26:48] ordinance are being implemented, it's a

[4:26:51] separate issue because my attention was

[4:26:54] While it's included in the motion, I

[4:26:59] think we may have to take some time to

[4:27:00] get that final item doneIs not my

[4:27:04] intention and emotion that I made to

[4:27:05] cause it to delayThe implementation of

[4:27:06] theTown center. Can you clarify that?

[4:27:07] >>I did understand that, but perhaps it

[4:27:13] would help to clarifyThat prior to

[4:27:15] implementationOf the central Avenue

[4:27:24] Improvements that the study would be

[4:27:25] completed and be reviewedBy the Micmac

[4:27:33] And the MCS D.

[4:27:34] >>I would add that to my motion that

[4:27:35] prior to the implementation of the,

[4:27:36] These things would be done. That

[4:27:47] clarifies the rest of it can move

[4:27:48] forward. If approved by this board.

[4:27:49] >>Correct.

[4:27:50] >>I would make that change.

[4:27:51] >>Secondary is okay with that, but still

[4:27:52] I have lived without it.

[4:27:54] >>So I just want toRe-questionData

[4:27:59] traffic studyWould be different. I mean

[4:28:08] I, as well, don't want to do it just

[4:28:09] becauseThat is what people say needs to

[4:28:15] happen if there is one out there that

[4:28:16] is comprehensiveAnd sufficient.

[4:28:22] >>I think thatThere are, I mean, we

[4:28:35] will have a better sense of what's

[4:28:36] going to happen going forward before we

[4:28:37] get to the study. And soIfHiller is

[4:28:42] going to happen than the traffic

[4:28:43] analysis will greatly benefit everybody

[4:28:45] In understanding the benefits. I think

[4:28:50] it would be beneficial toUnderstand how

[4:28:55] central Avenue as a whole functions,

[4:29:01] Because there are areas of that road

[4:29:02] that are far busierThe their forebears.

[4:29:06] So to understand where the most

[4:29:07] significantAverage daily trips are

[4:29:08] locatedVersus where the number of trips

[4:29:13] that are actuallyMaking it all the way

[4:29:16] through the town center, It would

[4:29:22] probably be helpful to know that, I

[4:29:23] think intuitively probablyPeople feel

[4:29:25] like they understand that, But it would

[4:29:30] really be about putting that into a

[4:29:32] study, Collecting the amount of traffic

[4:29:35] on the roadAnd truly being able to

[4:29:41] quantify that.

[4:29:42] >>Okay, that makes sense to me. I do

[4:29:43] want to say, Supervisor Mo, you want to

[4:29:48] say something else?It's hard being the

[4:29:51] chair.Whether three or four of us or

[4:30:02] all of us end up voting for this, I

[4:30:03] think anything anyone can do in today's

[4:30:04] economic world to try to improve your

[4:30:05] communityFrom southern Humboldt, I live

[4:30:10] in southern Humboldt I was born and

[4:30:11] raised there and my district is the

[4:30:17] second district that I've seen so many

[4:30:18] changes in southern Humboldt and empty

[4:30:19] storefronts right now, I've been to

[4:30:22] McKinleyville, my grandson plays

[4:30:23] baseball so I've gone up there for

[4:30:28] sporting events and have seen a lot of

[4:30:29] change. I don't go for five years at a

[4:30:30] time sometimes and so I was kind of

[4:30:33] shocked the last time I was up there to

[4:30:34] see the amount of emptySpace is up there

[4:30:37] And to see, I think it's a U-Haul where

[4:30:41] Kmart used to be in those areas that

[4:30:42] aren't really conduciveOf bringing

[4:30:45] people to your town to shopAnd to spend

[4:30:47] money, And I know that it's, I can feel

[4:30:54] it from you folks that it's painful to

[4:30:57] have changes to think about reducing

[4:30:58] your commuteIn time and this is going

[4:31:06] to be a pain in the butt that I'm going

[4:31:07] to sit here in traffic and all the

[4:31:08] things, but in my own districtI would

[4:31:09] really relishSomething, and we

[4:31:14] struggled to find that we have been

[4:31:15] searching for it in that area to really

[4:31:16] bring people into our town, If you go

[4:31:18] to Garberville, it's two lanes a very

[4:31:21] wide streetsAnd they are not, They

[4:31:27] don't have the lines down them so you

[4:31:28] get people, To people trying to go down

[4:31:30] one lane and it's a mess.But I just

[4:31:34] want to say thatBeing a

[4:31:38] brick-and-mortar right now is superhard

[4:31:40] and with Amazon and all those things

[4:31:49] That delivered a people storefronts,

[4:31:50] it's not about the Kmart in the world

[4:31:51] are the target in the world or those

[4:31:52] bigger box stores, it's really aboutThe

[4:31:53] feelIn the diningThe small mom-and-pop

[4:31:56] said the experience that really bring

[4:31:58] people inAnd walk from store to store

[4:32:04] and have that really good feel, and

[4:32:13] like I said, I want to get from point a

[4:32:14] to be very quickly. I hate traveling, I

[4:32:15] am tired of trying all the things. But

[4:32:17] if you can add to your communityAnd

[4:32:19] reallyEntice people into your community

[4:32:24] to spend time there and spend money

[4:32:25] there, In such a plus, And I went to

[4:32:30] different areas lately and saw where

[4:32:31] they locked up whole streets and have

[4:32:34] this shopping community there, shopping

[4:32:41] center, they don't allow cars and all

[4:32:42] of the war and I thought to myself this

[4:32:43] is great, I can walk from blockade to

[4:32:45] block Ted and it's a big old experience.

[4:32:48] It was hacked and pulledOf people and

[4:32:57] spending money, and bring it from the

[4:32:58] law of southern Humboldt that's failing

[4:32:59] economically and businesses are closing

[4:33:07] , there are two more businesses closing

[4:33:08] at the end of this month ended

[4:33:09] December. Just really sad for me. I've

[4:33:10] been there my whole life and seen a lot

[4:33:11] of changes and never seated as bad as

[4:33:13] it is right now. If you think your

[4:33:14] community is not going to be affected,

[4:33:16] Is strictly down pretty quickly these

[4:33:17] days.So I can't answer your question, I

[4:33:23] am sorry, sir, but I just want to say

[4:33:24] that I've heard you allAnd I do take it

[4:33:27] very seriously and I hope that this

[4:33:31] transition will be a good word for

[4:33:32] McKinleyvilleAnd just want you to know,

[4:33:36] I don't live in your community.But I

[4:33:42] really relish and what can make humble

[4:33:43] better. That's about all I have.

[4:33:46] Supervisor Madrone?Is ready to vote.

[4:33:48] Okay.Supervisor Arroyo. Permit thank

[4:33:57] you. Just a Hail Mary at the end here.

[4:33:58] I heard a possible if then statementAnd

[4:34:01] what you are saying, Director Ford,

[4:34:02] about the CaltransAnd Hiller Road

[4:34:05] connection to the freewayPeter, I will

[4:34:09] in the various, that you understood

[4:34:12] quickly, youYou would (INAUDIBLE) in

[4:34:18] the near future with that component,

[4:34:19] then, A new traffic study would be a

[4:34:29] helpful tool?

[4:34:30] >>Yes.

[4:34:31] >>But if they're not the study itself

[4:34:32] likeWould be similar to the existing

[4:34:34] conditions of the already have a study

[4:34:35] for.

[4:34:51] >>A clarification. Her meeting with

[4:34:52] Trout Caltrans they mentioned that they

[4:34:53] were not only doing the userBut that

[4:34:59] they were embarking on a major highway

[4:35:00] 101 study in that area of Arcata in

[4:35:03] North County and they were now going to

[4:35:04] includeThe idea of these ramps at

[4:35:06] Heller RoadInto that study. That's the

[4:35:10] first to. The outcome of all that which

[4:35:19] they seem to be supportive of, several

[4:35:20] staff said while, why had we thought

[4:35:21] about this before, frankly?It is in

[4:35:22] process as we speak.That's a

[4:35:29] multifaceted effort is going to have to

[4:35:30] happen again, will probably take 10 to

[4:35:35] 15 years to get through the stiff

[4:35:36] process the "To do that.

[4:35:48] >>Through the chair, this brings up an

[4:35:49] interesting question becauseSplitting

[4:35:56] up their 10 to 15 years, does that mean

[4:35:57] that this study doesn't happen for 10

[4:35:58] or 15 years and if within the next

[4:35:59] decadeThere is money that comes down,

[4:36:01] say, an earmark or something to deal

[4:36:02] withCentral forward, are we, then,

[4:36:06] waiting forA traffic study that will

[4:36:21] happen for 10 to 15 years?

[4:36:22] >>I'm going to enter up because I

[4:36:23] skipped over supervisor Madrone. I'm

[4:36:24] sorry, I said we would go to him after

[4:36:25] me and I completely forgot. We will

[4:36:26] finish and they will go to supervisor

[4:36:27] Bohn.I'm just saying that theRamps

[4:36:47] might affect circulation in

[4:36:48] McKinleyville. I would assume that can

[4:36:49] be done a lot super "Sooner than 10 to

[4:36:52] 15 years. It would be an H, the funded

[4:37:08] effort more than likely to strive to

[4:37:09] move that additional planning study to

[4:37:10] completion. We've done a lot of work,

[4:37:11] as Tom said, through the efforts that

[4:37:12] have already occurred. This never came

[4:37:13] up during that study.

[4:37:14] Through the chair, I have a question.

[4:37:15] Could that studyBe started with I guess

[4:37:16] an alternateWhatever, reality, I guess

[4:37:23] you would say, whether is that

[4:37:26] Infrastructure has been put in, I don't

[4:37:29] want us to delay and hold off for 10 or

[4:37:33] 15 years moving forward a decision

[4:37:44] waiting for some other agency to do

[4:37:45] this.

[4:37:46] >>I wish we had had an information

[4:37:47] before. I wasn't in those meetings, I

[4:37:48] apologize for that.

[4:37:49] >>I'm going to just, I'm going to

[4:37:51] promote you to supervisor, maybe

[4:37:52] Director Madsen has something to say

[4:37:53] behind you.

[4:37:54] >>Let me say this. It would be

[4:37:55] beneficial to do the study before that

[4:37:58] And use that as incentive for Caltrans

[4:38:03] To really take it were seriously. So if

[4:38:07] we are sinners a study within a couple

[4:38:08] of yearsAnd then pass that off to

[4:38:12] Caltrans showing the difference it

[4:38:13] would make with the moon McKinleyville,

[4:38:18] that may give us a priority.

[4:38:25] >>Supervisor Manson said he concurs.

[4:38:31] >>I appreciate that and I'm glad we are

[4:38:32] having that clarification, but that

[4:38:33] study would probably haveAt minimum two

[4:38:37] alternatives, one where against Bill

[4:38:38] Woodward doesn't get built.Thank you.

[4:38:46] >>Supervisor Oreo. No! Supervisor

[4:38:50] Madrone! Bohn!

[4:38:51] [LAUGHING]

[4:38:52] >>See what I mean? It's getting too

[4:38:55] obvious.Director Ford, you mentioned

[4:38:59] that we are going to changeThere

[4:39:02] driving habits, for good andOne late as

[4:39:06] mentioned, if the love the of

[4:39:08] McKinleyville. Take the airport exit

[4:39:21] and then go to that. Doesn't that shoot

[4:39:22] that, a theory of regular Senate we

[4:39:23] going for the people all the numerator

[4:39:24] is the(INAUDIBLE) I understand you

[4:39:42] can't get everybody else but shop local.

[4:40:03] I am just saying it seems we are

[4:40:04] directing traffic around, we're going

[4:40:05] to make a burden in two minutes, three

[4:40:06] minutes,We make fun of that, but it's.

[4:40:19] If we are trying to change people's

[4:40:20] habits to Mr. Trump etc. what are the

[4:40:22] odd shopping if there. It's about

[4:40:30] people her community in theWhich is

[4:40:40] identifying a sense of place and

[4:40:41] identifyingAnd not just feedthrough.

[4:40:52] During the(INAUDIBLE) there would be

[4:41:16] the storefronts are.

[4:41:17] We are about southern Humboldt, we

[4:41:18] heard about McKinleyville, downtown

[4:41:19] Eureka, Henderson Center, every place I

[4:41:20] can go, there you all wouldThey have

[4:41:32] all done extra storefronts. People are

[4:41:33] buying online but. I wanted tomorrow.

[4:41:48] Case in point . The bypass is wonderful

[4:42:04] because I go to Sacramento. I don't

[4:42:05] know if the McDonald's there likes it

[4:42:06] that much or any of the other stores.

[4:42:07] The wagon wheel..I'm kind of looking at

[4:42:17] reality. We got a wing stop. The mom

[4:42:44] and pops, and I go back, 60 some years

[4:42:45] ago, I was raised in a corner grocery

[4:42:46] store, one cash register,Put Sue to

[4:42:50] sisters through college and my dad said

[4:42:52] we don't make enough to put you through

[4:42:59] college, be a truck driver, and that's

[4:43:00] what I became. I'm saying I believe in

[4:43:01] that mom-and-pop theory, locally owned,

[4:43:08] And I thrive for that day, but I don't

[4:43:09] know that we can never get it back.

[4:43:10] With

[4:43:22] >>There are places, there are towns,

[4:43:26] one of the most vividThat comes to my

[4:43:28] mind was withWhen I was younger, the K

[4:43:32] Street mall in Sacramento. It was

[4:43:42] skidrow, then closed. They turned it

[4:43:43] into a pedestrian promenade. You've

[4:43:44] been down thereRecently and it is a

[4:43:49] beautiful place right now. I remember

[4:43:50] being down there, my parents would not

[4:43:51] let me walk alone.There's other

[4:43:56] examples where you go to places, small

[4:43:57] towns, big towns, where they haveJust

[4:43:59] slow the traffic downAnd re-oriented

[4:44:03] towards creating pedestrian places.

[4:44:05] Where do people stop? Where do they

[4:44:07] hang out?They hang out in places where

[4:44:12] it is conducive for them to just be.

[4:44:17] That's the vision that is being

[4:44:18] presented here.. Another part of the

[4:44:22] vision is there's going to beRetail

[4:44:31] services relationship where people that

[4:44:32] live there don't have to drive to go to

[4:44:34] restaurants, they don't have to drive

[4:44:37] to go to the grocery store.They are

[4:44:40] right there.

[4:44:44] >>Okay, we have a motion and a secondOn

[4:44:47] the table. I am going to allow

[4:44:53] supervisor Arroyo very small comment

[4:44:54] before we cast our votes.

[4:44:55] >>I'm hoping that weMay consider an

[4:45:01] amendment to this motion becauseI would

[4:45:06] vote for it grudgingly right now and I

[4:45:07] would vote for it enthusiasticallyIf it

[4:45:08] wereThe recommendation that came from

[4:45:11] the Micmac and was supported byAt the

[4:45:18] time that it came to the planning

[4:45:19] commissionBy this ESD and the Micmac,

[4:45:28] But then the planning commission did

[4:45:29] add the traffic study, now we are

[4:45:30] hearing there was a full understanding

[4:45:31] of the traffic study and as it stands

[4:45:35] it would be a bit of a duplicate of

[4:45:36] effort and should things change, it

[4:45:40] might add additional insight, but right

[4:45:41] now, I don't want us to do the workOf a

[4:45:46] traffic study that's precipitated by

[4:45:47] Caltrans change, I prefer that they

[4:45:52] find that working I don't really want

[4:45:53] to bifurcate this projectWhich is about

[4:45:56] the entire sense of placeAnd is a

[4:45:59] cohesive packageIf the study that we

[4:46:02] are going to be requiring to make

[4:46:10] changes is going to duplicate what we

[4:46:11] already have. I hope that makes sense,

[4:46:12] I would like to suggest that we remove

[4:46:13] that elementAnd if we can't, I am still

[4:46:16] ready to move forward, but I think it's

[4:46:17] going to addUnnecessary cost.

[4:46:30] >>As the motion maker I willing to

[4:46:31] accept that amendment, because here's

[4:46:32] the reason why. Because the

[4:46:33] recommendation forThe raid dietIs

[4:46:36] included in the town center ordinance.

[4:46:40] Road diet.I know there is no way that

[4:46:47] any changes to Central Avenue are going

[4:46:48] to occur without doing additional

[4:46:49] planning in detail, Preliminary

[4:46:51] engineering plans and communications

[4:46:52] with them CSTIn the Micmac in the

[4:46:55] community.So in a way that final

[4:47:07] element I added to staff recommendation

[4:47:08] is duplicative as was used here, so I

[4:47:09] am willing to remove that because I

[4:47:10] know what's going to happen anyway.

[4:47:11] It's really not necessary and if that

[4:47:12] makes it more palatableFor this board I

[4:47:13] am fine with that.

[4:47:17] >>I concur with that, I also appreciate

[4:47:22] The reduction in cost to the county.

[4:47:24] >>Certainly.

[4:47:28] >>Kaylee, because we are changing the

[4:47:29] motion, could we clear off, if anybody

[4:47:35] is voted currently, can we clear that

[4:47:36] off?Also, I just want to confirm thatSo

[4:47:41] if theMS, whatever, Thank you. If they

[4:47:49] want a traffic study doneThrough more

[4:47:54] work as supervisor Madrone says that's

[4:47:57] already in the project, before theRoad

[4:48:02] diet could happen, is that something

[4:48:03] that would happenIf that's what they

[4:48:06] want?

[4:48:07] >>I want to speak for, You made me do it

[4:48:13] , But I mentioned that any future

[4:48:14] designs for centralOr anything that's

[4:48:17] done would be done throughThe Micmac

[4:48:23] and through MCS D.

[4:48:28] >>Director Mattson, can you come up,

[4:48:29] please?I have two questions, the one I

[4:48:40] just posed, and my second question is

[4:48:41] if you do all the studiesThrough the

[4:48:45] process and all the agencies in

[4:48:46] McKinleyville, It does find that you do

[4:48:49] find out this really is notSomething

[4:48:51] that can happenIn McKinleyvilleBy

[4:48:53] reducingThose lanes, that it's going to

[4:49:02] create bigger problems and bigger

[4:49:03] safety issues, what would happen then?

[4:49:04] >>That would come back, It's not my job

[4:49:12] to tell the community what they want,

[4:49:13] is to tell them the impacts of changes

[4:49:14] and what that would do. Right now, you

[4:49:16] have a traffic study that does that, it

[4:49:17] tellsIf you do the three's lanes, these

[4:49:22] eight intersections will have impacts.

[4:49:24] If we had the interchange that it's

[4:49:28] also interchange the impacts of those

[4:49:30] eight intersectionsAnd then they need

[4:49:35] the improvements or need different

[4:49:36] improvements but then it comes back,

[4:49:43] It's really community decision, the way

[4:49:44] the public works has worked with

[4:49:45] McKinleyville is anything that's really

[4:49:46] a project not just maintenance, we

[4:49:47] bring beforeAnd we bring it back and we

[4:49:51] bring it back and we bring it back

[4:49:52] until we get consensus. Can we move

[4:49:53] forward. The question I have a, the

[4:50:02] question I have specifically, do you

[4:50:03] want to come back to the board for

[4:50:04] approval, you just say do a traffic

[4:50:05] study and see what happens, That makes

[4:50:07] me the final decision-maker, not you,

[4:50:08] not them.It just means I go meet with

[4:50:12] me we go through our process.

[4:50:15] >>So, then, any input from the community

[4:50:21] , So you would do the studies, you would

[4:50:28] , At what point would you decide to,

[4:50:29] would you be able to decide to redirect

[4:50:30] to this board?

[4:50:41] >>In the normal process, would not, I

[4:50:42] would make that recommendation, doubt.

[4:50:43] But if you wanted to come back to the

[4:50:44] board, please specifically state that.

[4:50:45] This will beGoing online. I will yet be

[4:50:46] here for many more years.. If you want

[4:50:53] a specific process where government is

[4:50:54] avoid, you make that part of the motion

[4:50:58] Little League within the CSD study "For

[4:51:09] a traffic study and bring it to the

[4:51:10] Board of Supervisors for an approval.

[4:51:11] >>We are back to that first motion.

[4:51:12] >>I clarifying something? We are

[4:51:24] talking about two different things

[4:51:25] here. The study takes the motion away.

[4:51:30] It's reliant upon the study that's been

[4:51:31] done. So with the design, we are now

[4:51:37] talking about the design in central,

[4:51:38] we're not talking about doing another

[4:51:39] comprehensive traffic analysis.

[4:51:40] >>Is that, Like if you and the Micmac

[4:51:44] wanted or whoever the CST wanted

[4:51:49] another traffic study would you be able

[4:51:50] to order that without this boardsThis

[4:52:03] study?

[4:52:04] >>We would not want to fund it out of

[4:52:05] her own funds right now, we would want

[4:52:06] outside funding. Coming back full

[4:52:07] circle, if we're going to go and put on

[4:52:08] a project to bid, that would go back to

[4:52:09] the board. If the traffic study said

[4:52:10] that we should do this or these are the

[4:52:11] impacts that we put a projectTogether

[4:52:12] for bed, then does come back to the

[4:52:15] board..

[4:52:26] >>So any project that would change

[4:52:27] that, I get that, that would be another

[4:52:28] opportunity to talk about this without

[4:52:29] thatNew traffic study, it would come

[4:52:35] back to the board when it goes out to

[4:52:36] Ben, correct?

[4:52:37] >>Correct.

[4:52:38] >>Thank you. Supervisor Wilson?

[4:52:39] >>We have now bifurcated the other,

[4:53:03] Which is fine, in general, we talk

[4:53:09] about these things in different ways,

[4:53:10] so what I am asking could we at this

[4:53:11] moment ask thatAt least in the short

[4:53:23] term while he gets analyzedIn the

[4:53:33] context of all the other things we are

[4:53:34] doing?

[4:53:35] >>I'm going to ask(INAUDIBLE) to

[4:53:36] respond to that.

[4:53:46] >>We can certainly add it to our list

[4:53:47] of priorities. We just missedThe cycle

[4:53:52] to add it to that original

[4:53:53] transportation plan so that would have

[4:53:54] to come with the next cycle. But that's

[4:53:55] really, If this concept is to move

[4:54:01] forward, that's where we would need to

[4:54:02] go is to get it in the regional

[4:54:07] transportation plan so we can qualify

[4:54:08] for the funding her age, in part with

[4:54:09] Caltrans..

[4:54:10] >>In lieu of holding this up for

[4:54:18] another traffic study, doing that, we

[4:54:19] would be waiting for it anywaySo you

[4:54:27] might as well do that today, prioritize

[4:54:28] them separately for this project so at

[4:54:29] least it's on the listAs a resource

[4:54:35] that we have him look at

[4:54:36] >>Correct.

[4:54:38] >>Thank you.

[4:54:42] >>So are we ready?We are going to amend

[4:54:50] again.

[4:54:56] >>Is that part of this, is that

[4:54:57] eligible for today?It's outside of the

[4:54:59] project area. Proactively clear, so this

[4:55:17] .

[4:55:18] >>You can provide direction to bring it

[4:55:19] back for further consideration.

[4:55:20] >>So amended for the third time.

[4:55:21] >>Seconded.

[4:55:22] >>Can you please state your motion for

[4:55:23] the record?

[4:55:26] >>I'm going to have Director Ford read

[4:55:27] back the motion as he thinks it is.And

[4:55:35] will can make sure Fisher's motioner.

[4:55:36] Second there are, we are going to give

[4:55:37] him the second.And if we approve that

[4:55:44] motion, can we email that to Kaleigh,

[4:55:45] please?

[4:56:02] >>This is to adopt the resolution to

[4:56:03] certify the EIR and of the findings in

[4:56:04] allTo adopt the mandatory and will

[4:56:09] refer. To make all required finding her

[4:56:15] into this amendment to the zoning

[4:56:16] ordinance, isTo mixed-use, to rezone

[4:56:25] the town center to mix Zeus with few

[4:56:26] overlays on.To prioritize the Hiller

[4:56:48] interchange with highly one-to-one.

[4:56:49] >>Basically we are adopting staff

[4:56:50] recommendation in their entirety with

[4:56:54] the caveat to direct staff to come back

[4:56:55] with a consideration of the Hilla Road

[4:56:56] offramp. Does that make sense?

[4:57:13] >>I want to thank everybody that came

[4:57:14] today and took time to be here all day,

[4:57:15] it's a long day for all of your thoughts

[4:57:21] We hear you guys, is your community,The

[4:57:28] >>Supervisor Wilson, I waiting for your

[4:57:29] vote.It didn't go through.

[4:57:30] >>You can do a roll call.

[4:57:45] [CALLING ROLL]

[4:57:58] Motion carried four-one.

[4:58:03] >>Thank you. We are adjourned.

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