Name: Budget Hearing #1
Uploaded: 2026-09-10T00:00:00Z
Duration: 2 h 1 min 16 s
Description: Do we in order to discuss it because we're actually discussing the budget side of it, not just the milled side of it, do we need to open both tabs?

[6:33] Okay, I think we're back. I think we had a technical difficulty and we're back. And we've said the pledge allegiance and we're all here. Honestly, we are. And so I think what we're going to do is we'll move to public comment first. And then, and then we'll talk about the items for discussion. I know that I already called the roll.

[6:59] we called the role okay and and then as if there's a burning desire as we go

[7:06] through this budget from the public that all they got to do is raise their hand

[7:10] and we'll we'll call them back up I won't call for public comment between each tab

[7:15] but if there is somebody in the audience that wants to speak about a particular

[7:19] tab or something just raise your hand because there's not that many people in the

[7:23] audience tonight and John's raising her which which tab do you want I just for the

[7:29] benefit.

[7:30] The clerk, when they come back up, are they still going to have the same three-minute, three-minute, five-minute timeline?

[7:35] I think so.

[7:38] It's not a workshop. It is a hearing, but at the same time, if somebody has a particular burning desire on a particular area, I think it's important to hear from them.

[7:47] We don't have to be out of here till 10 Sharon said so maybe not, whatever. Okay, so

[7:57] Public comment. We'll call for public comment now. Is there anybody signed up, Marty?

[8:01] No, sir.

[8:02] There's no one is there anyone who would like to talk on public comment. Here comes chief Aval. Chief Aval?

[8:09] I did not fill out a form. Just a quick reminder. Tomorrow is

[8:14] is 9, 11, 25th anniversary, Station 20, 8, 1, 8, 5, 0, starting sharply at 0, 8, 30 will be

[8:22] doing a remembered ceremony. Everyone is obviously welcome to attend and encouraged and hopefully

[8:27] I'll see you there. Thank you.

[8:29] Thank you very much, Terry. The answer. That's very important. We should never forget.

[8:33] I'm sorry.

[8:33] eight thirty at firehouse there at eight one mark or eight one point three. Okay, so is

[8:41] anyone online it would like to speak? I will check again but I do not believe so.

[8:52] No, no, okay.

[8:55] So is there any council discussion right now or we want to break right into what we need to do?

[9:01] Yeah, I just wanted to touch on this before we kind of dove in and see if the council agrees with this, but, you know, last year after we finished this process, there was a bit of frustration that, you know, it's, it's lengthy and complicated and I thought that we had given instruction to give this process started a bit earlier, so we could kind of maybe ease into it and really be able to sift through.

[9:27] And this article from political in June 24th, 2026 talks about HB-1329, which

[9:34] desances its sign, which requires local officials to identify ways to cut their proposed

[9:39] budget by 10% without reducing essential services.

[9:42] I think that goes into effect January 1.

[9:45] I think it's actually a very good idea that we could utilize this as an exercise.

[9:52] So, I would say that we could get things started with some meetings after the November election

[9:57] because we may have additional changes with a referendum that could result in some different

[10:04] budgetary items.

[10:05] So, my point on all this is I would like to see this process get started much much earlier

[10:10] so that we can kind of go through this.

[10:12] Even if this weren't into effect, it's probably a good idea for us to look and see how

[10:16] we can cut costs without cutting amenities or staff and that sort of thing.

[10:20] So I just want to start with that.

[10:23] I completely agree with that, and I hope that we've all been.

[10:26] I know we've all been working on beating up on Ron and meeting with staff and with

[10:33] Hattie.

[10:34] So whatever we can do to continue to cut the cost that we have.

[10:38] Yes, absolutely.

[10:38] Thank you, Steve.

[10:40] Yeah, not only that, but just for our own benefit.

[10:42] I mean, I received this book on Thursday.

[10:44] It's challenging to get through it.

[10:47] Everybody's been sitting on it for a while and I think it's also good for the public then would help them get involved and understand these numbers a little bit better as well.

[10:54] Thank you.

[10:55] Awesome.

[10:57] Anything over there?

[10:58] No.

[10:59] Okay.

[11:00] Let's see.

[11:01] How do you think you've got well John?

[11:04] You've got some resolutions.

[11:05] How do you ask some things that we have to do?

[11:07] How's keeping on?

[11:08] So let's go on and get that taken care of please.

[11:11] Sure.

[11:11] I will start with the first resolution, which is tab A.

[11:15] This is a resolution of the Village Council of Island Marta, Village Violence Florida,

[11:18] a Mending Resolution number 26-07-67, adopting a tentative village rate for the fiscal year

[11:23] commencing October 1, 2020-26, through September 30, 2020-27, pursuant to section 2-0-0.065,

[11:30] Florida statutes, and providing foreign effective date. And before you all begin, I'll turn it over to

[11:36] haddy. There are some information that needs to be conveyed in accordance with Florida law

[11:41] for the benefit of you all as well as the public.

[11:45] Council. I'd like to begin our budget discussion by providing the required information for consideration

[11:50] during this evening's public hearing. The tentative military presented for adoption this evening

[11:56] is 2.7231 mils. This proposed rate represents a 9.09% increase of a rollback rate of 2.4756 mils.

[12:07] The rollback rate is the milled rate that would generate the same

[12:10] Advillurum tax revenue as the prior year, excluding revenue attributable to new construction.

[12:17] The proposed increase in the milliderate is necessary to address non-discussionary increases

[12:21] in public safety expenditures and to account for inflationary cost adjustments consistent with CPI

[12:28] growth. These revenues support essential municipal services that the village is required to

[12:33] provide and maintain for health safety and welfare of the community. The tentative milliderate of

[12:38] 2.7231 mills per post for adoption is evening may not exceed the proposed millage rate of 2.8 mills.

[12:46] That was advertised residents through the trim notice.

[12:49] The final millage rate scheduled for adoption at the September 17th public hearing may not exceed the tentative millage rate adopted this evening.

[12:57] The governing body is required to adopt the tentative millage rate prior to adopting the tentative budget.

[13:02] The general public is invited to speak and ask questions prior to the adoption of any measures.

[13:09] Following this, I would like to begin with tab one personnel, and then proceed through the remaining tabs.

[13:15] The adjustments requested during the budget workshops have been incorporated,

[13:19] and revenues have been updated based on the most recent figures provided by the state.

[13:24] Unless Council has additional questions that were not addressed during the budget workshops,

[13:28] I do not intend to call the department ahead forward individually.

[13:33] That will be as needed basis.

[13:41] Do we in order to discuss it because we're actually discussing the budget side of it, not just the milled side of it, do we need to open both tabs?

[13:51] I know we have to vote on the milled first, but in order to get there, we need to talk budget items.

[14:01] Yeah, I'm happy to read the other resolution caption as well, but ultimately we're going to have

[14:08] to determine each one separately.

[14:10] The millage obviously dictates what the budget will be because depending on what the

[14:13] millage rate is set at that will be the amount of expected monies that will be available

[14:18] to the council.

[14:20] So I can read the second one and I'll do that now so that it's clear that you can talk

[14:25] about both, but I would encourage you all, it's important to pass the millage rate resolution

[14:31] first when we do get to that point, and then we can pass the budget resolution.

[14:36] So it's kind of a cart before the horse, before the cart combination is the way I see it

[14:43] is that yes, the budget is dependent upon the millage rate, but also the millage rate depends

[14:50] upon the budget.

[14:51] Depends on what services and what we want to cut and what we don't want to cut.

[14:55] Yeah, that's the place and I bring this up. Yeah, they're all intertwined. Yeah, so um

[15:00] But let me read that one as well, and then that way we've got that out as well. The second tab is a resolution

[15:06] of the Village Council, by Lamar and Village Violence Floor, to providing for adoption of

[15:09] the tentative budget of the village for the fiscal year 2026-27, commencing on October 1,

[15:14] 2026, and ending on September 30, 2027, authorizing expenditure of funds established by the budget

[15:19] providing for budgetary control, providing for personal authorization, providing for gifts and grants, providing for amendments, providing

[15:26] for encompasses providing for issuance of checks, providing for post audit, providing for

[15:29] severability, and providing an effective date.

[15:39] All right.

[15:39] With that, we will move on to tab one, which is personnel.

[15:52] Go ahead.

[15:54] I want to bring up an issue.

[15:55] During our budget workshops last month, the Council was presented with two scenarios regarding

[16:00] personnel salaries and costs that were labeled scenarios one and one a, they're not in the

[16:05] book tonight, but that was from the workshop.

[16:06] The Council expressed that the workshops, support for scenario 1A, the budget before

[16:12] you today, the one that you'll be considering, includes the employee, co-local, cost

[16:16] of living adjustment, and the possible merit pay rates, which were the maximums, as set

[16:20] out in scenario 1A that you heard last month.

[16:24] It also includes a specific personnel salary increase that was in scenario 1, but not in

[16:30] 1A.

[16:32] I request Council direction as to whether the salary increase that was not included in scenario

[16:35] one day that you saw last month should remain in the proposed budget tonight.

[16:47] Were you further explained for us, Plain?

[16:53] Last, at the workshop, there were a couple scenarios that were passed out to Council.

[16:58] And apparently not everyone was clear, at least people I've talked to,

[17:02] that there were some differences between scenario one and one A.

[17:06] In particular, there was a salary increase, it was in one and not the other.

[17:10] Everybody in there got an increase, particularly with the Cola.

[17:13] But in particular, there was one increase that was, apparently, not everyone understood what is not in one of them.

[17:20] And so the one A has an increase, one had a bigger increase.

[17:26] He's expressed for one A, but one A did not capture the larger increase.

[17:31] And some of you have expressed an interest in addressing it, and that's why I want to bring up because unless it's addressed,

[17:39] The budget you have before you tonight has the larger salary increase, the specific one,

[17:45] unless it's changed.

[17:46] It's in the budget.

[17:47] And so I was asked to bring it up.

[17:49] I'm bringing it up.

[17:51] And I'll go into more detail, necessarily, but that's kind of what I think.

[17:55] I think you all understand what I'm expressing that I'm saying that if somebody who doesn't

[18:00] want something in the budget, now's the time to tell us, or if they want to have

[18:03] the scenario one as you thought it was without a larger increase, that's fine.

[18:07] If you say we want one A, but we want to keep the larger increase, that's an option also.

[18:14] So, it's your direction as far as what, yeah, it's not going to impact the overall budget.

[18:19] The numbers are roughly $23,000 difference.

[18:22] So, I'm not talking hundreds of thousands of dollars, I'm saying, but it is an increase.

[18:26] It's in there and that some of express them interesting and if you want to leave that increase

[18:32] in there, it's in there.

[18:33] If you don't want it in there, you'd have to say we don't want it in there.

[18:36] That's where I kind of left it.

[18:39] Do you have your rights on?

[18:40] Yes.

[18:41] I understand that one A also included that the personnel would get the benefits that we

[18:53] are currently doing.

[18:56] One, I thought one did not have the current benefits that they would have to pay more.

[19:01] And we suggested whatever the right term is in that discussion that we wanted the employee benefits to stay what they are now and it would fall to the new hires to be different.

[19:19] That was also part of one aid.

[19:21] And that is reflected in the budget, the benefits that were in one A are what's in the budget, the one that you all pushed.

[19:29] The concern was that there was another item that, apparently,

[19:34] some did not understand what's not in one A, that is in the budget.

[19:40] So I would say that I would like to see the original one A that we had that did not have the increase in it.

[19:52] State. Yeah, I agree. It seemed that we expressed support for scenario 1A, so I'll stay with that.

[20:00] I thought we walked out of here where the consensus on that ended?

[20:04] Well, I'm fine with the benefits and everything, but I think it's only right that people are getting paid

[20:09] what they should be getting paid for market rate for their positions.

[20:13] Some of these people that are a long time employees are not getting paid even close to what some of their

[20:20] relevant counterparts are getting paid throughout the county, and that's not there.

[20:27] Sharon?

[20:32] I thought there had been a lot of discussion about that, and I think that as I recall there

[20:45] had been a study done two years ago, maybe it was longer than that, and there's as a whole

[20:56] across the board in a village, and we've talked about this before, is there's a disparity

[21:02] between that study and a lot of the staff and the county.

[21:09] So my question is, and then, of course, at the same time, I think we all asked the question

[21:15] to our manager several times during this budget cycle,

[21:19] is there any fat in this budget?

[21:21] We've trimmed it, we've cut it, we've trimmed it,

[21:24] and now all of a sudden there's fat

[21:27] that we can pull out of somewhere.

[21:30] So what do we just do that?

[21:31] Wait, how much on the average Jamie is all of our staff

[21:35] below the county?

[21:39] The last time I got the numbers from the county

[21:42] and again, it's without what they're doing currently,

[21:44] we're about 13% behind our chance.

[21:48] So if there's fat in there, Mr. Manager, I think maybe you ought to go on and find that 13% for every one of our employees and not just one.

[21:58] I think that's the way to do that.

[22:00] So we can amend this budget and we can still stick with our two point seven, two, three, one, and you figure it out.

[22:09] And to be clear, whatever decision you make on this has no impact on the millage,

[22:14] a 23,000 changes, not going to increase our decrease the budget to any degree that

[22:19] we're creating a problem with the millage rate.

[22:21] It's a no it creates a problem with staff though, because you're targeting one person at

[22:27] how much of an increase?

[22:30] It depends on what you mean by, you mean, percentage or dollars lies.

[22:37] Percentage. From the current salary that's what everybody else would be, under one a, five percent, which is in the fall park.

[22:49] The range from three to six percent under, under Senator one, it'd be a 19 percent increase, and the rest are six percent.

[22:58] And isn't that what we agreed on when we walked out here the last workshop is that all of our staff would get a 3% cola and then the remainder of the staff would get a merit increase of 3%?

[23:13] A maximum increase.

[23:14] A maximum of 3%.

[23:16] Yes.

[23:17] Chair.

[23:20] I'm done.

[23:21] I'd just like to hear what your comments are.

[23:26] I think everybody's dancing around the subject and I don't think to put the put it on Ron is fair

[23:33] I think he runs the state. He can run the step

[23:37] That's not what I'm saying. I know I know but I

[23:41] Don't agree with what you're saying. Okay, and I think if people in this council have an issue

[23:48] Don't stand behind Ron say it yourself. I just said it. Well, I know you're too better. Everybody else didn't

[23:56] And I also said that I thought that that was not in the one aid that I voted on.

[24:02] So I also said that.

[24:05] Well, I guess I disagree with you guys.

[24:08] And I think raises to me are an individual consideration.

[24:14] I don't believe in across the board.

[24:16] And I know I was told that I was hard on Jamie and I don't think I was.

[24:20] What the staff doesn't realize is that, I don't know about you guys, but I have a constant flow of people coming to talk to me

[24:27] And I have to listen to the staff who I respect, but we also are here to represent the public and we hear from them, and I don't think we should cut essential people that are a great benefit to this village

[24:41] I totally agree, and so we're not cutting

[24:45] I joke people. Well, I don't agree with you guys, so I'm on on an aside on this one here that there's not a side

[24:52] It seems to be it seems to be it. Well, it seems to be and you haven't heard my decision. Yeah. No, I have no you have

[24:57] Well, that's you heard you've heard my discussion that I have it this moment. Okay, because I think that it's fair for it to be vetted out

[25:05] You but you haven't heard my decision. I didn't say I had heard your decision. So yeah, you did

[25:10] That's not going to have to stop at this time.

[25:13] No, you know.

[25:15] The thing is, we're trying to get not just one person, but several people up to where they should be getting paid.

[25:22] I think we should.

[25:24] And just because somebody has been here for 20 years, what if that person leaves tomorrow?

[25:30] That person leaves tomorrow.

[25:31] We have to rehire in that position for what market rate is.

[25:35] You can't go ask somebody to come and step into a position and get paid what they were

[25:41] getting paid in 1990.

[25:43] Not what current salaries are for that particular position.

[25:47] That is my point.

[25:48] I don't put labor in.

[25:49] So I think that I know that they tried to work on getting some of those adjusted last year

[25:55] and trying to adjust some of them again this year, I think is the right thing to do.

[26:00] We have long-standing employees that have been here for many years and it's not fair.

[26:05] that they've gone along and been such a loyal employee and only getting a 3% here and

[26:12] there, a no raise, the next year, a 3% here so they are making what somebody would

[26:18] be making in 1995 versus 2026, okay? That is my opinion.

[26:25] Good to you. But we have more than one on staffs that sat away and to single out one and do

[26:33] but this year is not right.

[26:36] I had to say something a lot on this.

[26:38] The money is going to one.

[26:46] This increase is going to one.

[26:51] So I did some rough math and I'd have to go back

[26:57] and research it all again, but I came up with the fact

[27:00] to bring everybody up to market rate

[27:02] would probably be more in the $500,000 range.

[27:06] That's a lot of money to bring everybody up

[27:11] market rate. That's a lot. We can't do that. But we can do increment steps. And that's

[27:22] what we thought we started last year and we're still working on that. I still stand by,

[27:29] I think the original one A that I voted on is what I want.

[27:43] Maybe I can make a couple more

[27:44] for clarification.

[27:47] We started our budget or October 1st of last year, and last year's budget had no increase.

[27:52] It had zero co-love, zero merit pay.

[27:55] Yeah, there were no increases, and we kept pretty tight budget.

[27:58] I was directed by Council to see what we can do more for employees.

[28:02] Jamie Terry, I tried to record that a great job.

[28:04] We've done, we meet daily, and talked about market studies, and how we would

[28:13] and tried to come up with a merit-pay system that worked and wasn't as here as a salary increase you had a show where you've earned it.

[28:20] Then in April a situation where I was asked to look into a situation and meet a market condition and this was mid-year.

[28:30] This wasn't budget time and I agreed to see what I could do to remedy the situation.

[28:35] When we did that, there was a raise given in the mid-year, but I was not the only one because when that one was given, I mentioned that if I did it for one.

[28:42] I'd have several others would have to get compensated also, which I was able to do under my authority.

[28:47] When it came time to this budget, though, that increased then substantially, nobody else got the increase after April.

[28:55] The budget, before you today, I think what the councilperson Gillis is saying is that in the budget before you, there's only one increase over what was already increased.

[29:04] The other ones would be getting increases, assuming we did the cola and that in the three to six percent range.

[29:10] One is not in that range, that's the point I'm bringing up and that's the will of the council.

[29:15] I'm fine with that because that's what was talked about in April.

[29:19] But since it's come up as an issue and I want to make sure and it was a little confusing because I think someone told me that that was a

[29:25] scrubbinger's error that it wasn't both, it wasn't a scrubbinger's error but I guess that wasn't clear that it was intentional that one had

[29:33] about in one and the other one didn't, and that's why I thought it's important to bring it up.

[29:38] I know it's hard to talk this way without being too specific, but that was the dilemma.

[29:44] I'm in, is that the one A's in the budget except for that one item, and unless I'm told otherwise, it's in the budget.

[29:50] So if you want to stick to one A, is what you thought was in one A, that's fine.

[29:55] But at least one of you says, told me that's not their understanding.

[29:59] So, it does.

[30:00] Is this counted in with a three and a three? Is there going to be a coalition of merit on top of this?

[30:10] Under scenario one, if the increase was not included, the specific one we're talking about would get a 5% increase, which result in the range of everybody else.

[30:24] If you went with scenario one, which is the one that had the higher one, it would be a much higher increase compared to everybody else.

[30:31] So there's one that's kind of sticking out.

[30:33] It's compared to others.

[30:34] We try to give everybody some type of bump.

[30:37] Everybody would get beginning the cost of living.

[30:39] Not everyone would get the merit raise because that's a maximum.

[30:43] And we don't know what that would be.

[30:44] But the three percent across the board.

[30:47] So everyone would get the three percent because that's a colon.

[30:49] That is the only across the board thing.

[30:50] merit is based on the analysis we did with the staff, et cetera.

[30:55] So I'm not sure how to answer that, I'd say that under

[30:58] the scenario one, they're all in the range of three to six percent

[31:02] except for one.

[31:06] The scenario one also included a difference in the benefits.

[31:13] And that's the change.

[31:15] And we wanted to keep the benefits for what we did this year,

[31:20] and not raise the costs to the employees,

[31:23] not raise the benefits in that respect.

[31:27] So just to say that scenario one,

[31:32] only has that difference is not exactly true,

[31:38] because it includes the benefit difference

[31:41] that we all, I thought, agreed to,

[31:45] and we wanted to do.

[31:47] So that's where one A started, but one A also had the additional limit, and it was clear, and yes, the April thing, April incident, was brought up to all of us, I believe.

[32:05] I was aware of it, so I just wanted to make sure that one has the old benefit, not the old.

[32:17] It's the benefits that would be paid by more people.

[32:22] The one A was very well received by staff.

[32:24] I appreciate it.

[32:25] In fact, when you decided on one A, that's the direction we got.

[32:28] that one day did not increase the cost of employees,

[32:31] I think that was a 50 part of the one day.

[32:35] The problem was there was a second thing in there,

[32:38] not associated with that,

[32:39] that was a personal issue, that was different.

[32:43] I say there was differences, we've already put in there

[32:48] that one A for the benefits,

[32:49] that's done deal, assuming you've heard the budget,

[32:52] that was a great thing to do and you all agreed to it.

[32:55] The scenario under one A, that's incorporated.

[32:57] The only thing that wasn't in one A that hasn't that that's carried into this was what that the

[33:02] Partens scenario one that had they specific salary increase that people maybe thought by saying you'll go with one A

[33:10] That that increase is not there

[33:12] Oh, there's thought it was there and so that's why I wanted to clarify it is confusing. I'm sorry. It's confusing

[33:18] But there's there were two two different things going there was the the

[33:22] merit and the cola, which we think is great, the decision you made, but there's that specific

[33:28] increase that some thought was carried over and it wasn't, and so now that increase is in

[33:34] the budget, and once again if you don't want to the budget, I'm good with that, but we can't

[33:38] raise, to be responsible for fiscal, I'd love to give all the other staff more raises to

[33:44] get them work if I, but it's just not fiscal, we're responsible to that, we just can't do

[33:48] that.

[33:49] to give everybody a raise to market rate because we are below market and that's just a

[33:53] fact of life. I do want to say we have a great staff. I think Jamie's going to

[33:58] a great job sort of trying to institute the coal in the Maripay. We've put a lot of

[34:01] hours into it and we recognize we're below market but we have good benefits. We have

[34:06] good bosses and people like working for the bill. We've had very low turnover. I'm

[34:11] filled with other areas in the county and when you compare our staff versus other staff,

[34:16] We've had much less turnover than they have because I think people like working for the village.

[34:21] But, you know, there's certain situations that come up where, you know,

[34:24] almost everybody in our staff, if another job came up, you know,

[34:27] we have some very qualified people that could probably make more money going somewhere else.

[34:31] You know, and some members of this table right here.

[34:33] That's just the fact of life and when I can address it, I can,

[34:36] and if I can't address it, then whatever happens happens.

[34:38] But in this situation, it's kind of gotten to the point where I had to get direction,

[34:43] because it's a, it's a, it's a point of contention with the individual members of the council and I just figured you're the ultimate bosses and you know, that's where we are.

[34:59] So I'll ask the question again and maybe you'll answer me this time.

[35:03] Does this in, is this before or after the 3% cola and any merit increase that may come with this?

[35:13] It's after.

[35:16] I'm trying to be clear what you're asking.

[35:19] So on their scenario one day, the individual was going

[35:22] to get a 5% increase of what he's making today.

[35:26] That's in the same range as everybody else.

[35:29] On their scenario one, which is the point of contention,

[35:35] the increase of a 19.39% overcurrent salary,

[35:38] compared to the next highest is six.

[35:43] So the scenario one A, which went back to, the individual would be getting, that would include the five percent.

[35:51] I mean, my recommendation was the three percent coal is across the board, and the person would get a two percent.

[35:57] It would match the rest of the employing.

[35:59] The percentage is not the dollars, obviously.

[36:01] The first is higher pay.

[36:03] So dollar-wise, no, there's not a comparable, but percentage-wise, one A, if you didn't have that big increase,

[36:10] would be in line with everybody else. One, which was, is the thing a question would be way

[36:18] out of line with everybody else, but that is what it is. I'm trying, I don't know if

[36:22] I'm still not answering a question. Let me understand the question a bit more then.

[36:28] It's included. It's included. Both of them included. That was one word. That was one

[36:35] word that answered my question. Thank you. The answer is yes, then. Thank you,

[36:51] I think I think we need to make clarification on that.

[36:57] I think I'm not sure, I talked to John before the meeting about how best to ward this.

[37:02] I'm not sure this is the right wording, but the question was whether the salary increase

[37:06] that was not included in one A, which was just the same as it should be remain

[37:10] in the post budget.

[37:12] If you don't want, let me ask it this way, is it included in this right here?

[37:18] Yes.

[37:20] We accept this, then we've accepted that.

[37:23] You've accepted the larger increase.

[37:25] If you...

[37:26] If you...

[37:27] There doesn't need to be any of that.

[37:29] This is...

[37:30] It's here. If somebody's not happy with that, then they go, I'm not happy with this. We're reviewing this. That's the easy way to look at that.

[37:46] Okay, so why don't we talk about this now? You opened up with is there anything else we need to talk about about these salaries?

[37:54] Not for me. Howdy is there any other explanation that has to happen?

[37:59] Not for me.

[38:02] And as we go, we're looking through these and the red numbers that we're looking at means that we've cut something, right?

[38:09] We've brought things down.

[38:11] The red is increased.

[38:13] The green is increased.

[38:15] Yeah.

[38:16] The opposite.

[38:17] Yeah.

[38:20] Green good, red bad.

[38:37] Okay, under personnel, I do not agree with the, if that's the way we want to go with this,

[38:44] do not agree with the preliminary personnel figures of 15,596,201 dollars.

[39:01] So you would subtract 23,000 from that, is that what you're saying?

[39:04] That is what I'm trying to say.

[39:08] Whatever that figure is.

[39:12] For clarification, the figure would the difference be $20,000, $630 dollars.

[39:17] That's the figure.

[39:20] 23,6.

[39:24] Paul, please.

[39:25] Paul, please.

[39:25] Well, Jamie's looking to pull up the number to get the exact number because if it's going

[39:30] to be a motion to amend to reduce it to that number, we'll want to make sure to get the

[39:34] exact number.

[39:35] Yeah.

[39:35] And if, of course, I think what you're saying is that that's just the salary for it.

[39:39] Obviously, the higher the salary, the benefits associated with, so the actual impact,

[39:43] the reduction in the budget would be actually greater than that, because if you reduce the salary,

[39:48] but that's just the salary.

[39:49] That's a salary sector.

[39:50] I think that's what Jamie's saying.

[39:51] Yeah.

[39:51] She's calculating the action.

[39:53] Give me the number.

[40:00] Well, she's doing this.

[40:01] So this number is 15, 596 includes the benefits.

[40:07] Am I hearing that right?

[40:08] It includes all personnel.

[40:10] All that's.

[40:11] Taxes, taxis, taxis, benefits, everything, everything.

[40:14] That's why, yeah.

[40:18] Except for village council.

[40:20] Perfect village council.

[40:22] And I got that.

[40:23] I got that clarified.

[40:24] That's the way it's been forever.

[40:26] That's the easy map.

[41:31] The budget, the budget impact would be 35,000, 015.68.

[41:42] 35,000, 5,000.

[41:45] What is that number?

[41:49] What column are you subtracting that from?

[41:53] You would need to take that off of the preliminary personnel number of the 15 million.

[41:58] And so minus, it would be minus 35,000, $15 and six-eight cents would be the impact.

[42:05] The differential impact benefits and everything included.

[42:16] How do you do in the math?

[42:18] And that gives us a good estimate because this is all going to get cleaned up in our next

[42:22] budget hearing.

[42:24] So, we've got a good sense of what that number is.

[42:26] That

[42:58] would bring it to 15, 561, 1185 and 32 cents.

[43:11] 15, 561, 185.

[43:14] Yep.

[43:18] Say that again.

[43:19] 15.

[43:21] Say it.

[43:21] You'll say it one more time.

[43:23] 15, 5, 6, 1, 1, 8, 5, 0.32.

[43:29] Got it.

[43:32] Thank you.

[43:41] So now that we have that,

[44:03] now that we have that, no, do we, do we, say, okay, let's move on?

[44:10] Are we okay with that?

[44:12] Do we vote on each section?

[44:14] I don't know, proper procedure here.

[44:17] I would do, if we're going to reduce that number,

[44:20] I would do it as a motion to reduce the preliminary personnel number two,

[44:25] the numbers specified by Hattie, and so I'll do it as a stand-alone motion for that change.

[44:36] So, are you making that motion?

[44:38] I'll make that motion to reduce it to the 1, 5, 5, 6, 1, 8, 5, 0.32.

[44:47] I get the right.

[44:48] There's a motion on the table, is there a second?

[44:52] Second.

[44:54] Okay, there's a motion, a second.

[44:56] Marty we call the room.

[45:00] Council Member Gabgillis? Yes. Council Member C Friedman? Yes. Council Member Anne Richard? No. Vice Mayor Chair and the Honie? No. And Mayor Don Hartmore. No.

[45:09] That's the motion, guys. Fails? Two to three.

[45:21] Any other questions on personnel? Excuse me? Any other questions on personnel? No, I think we need to move in as a gentleman from.

[45:29] Yeah, just a quick, so now we're at 15 596201. No change to what you have in front of you. Okay. Thank you.

[45:44] All right, since the proposed mileage that you directed during the budget workshops was the 2.7231, you guys want to look at page tab 2-8.

[45:58] That's where that begins.

[46:06] And with that, to millidrate, we would add to fund balance, $142,000.

[46:10] and $193. 142,093 dollars.

[46:19] Then I'll just move along to General Fund Revenue, which is on

[46:24] tab 12,

[46:26] and just explain that we did receive the revenue amounts from the state, so there

[46:32] have been a couple updates in there, communications, services, tax, increased a little bit,

[46:38] Your Advalorum taxes are now showing the calculation using the 2.7231 and I've also added some revenue under the miscellaneous revenue.

[46:52] After researching that account a little bit, I was comfortable with adding some revenue for that.

[46:59] Any questions about the revenues?

[47:07] Moving along to...

[47:09] Oh, go ahead.

[47:10] Are we on 2-12?

[47:11] That was 2-12 for revenues?

[47:14] Yes, so I'm question about the franchise fee for solid waste, where we had budget 950,

[47:24] we had 975, it's back at 950, and I think that solid waste is going to increase.

[47:32] I think we spoke about that recently.

[47:34] Does that mean that franchise fee will increase?

[47:38] It's a percentage, right?

[47:40] Yeah, I can look at that for the next meeting.

[47:43] I was probably just trying to be conservative before we had the contract updated.

[47:50] Gotcha.

[47:51] Thank you.

[47:52] Howdy.

[47:53] There's a grant that was just approved yesterday at the County Commission meeting for a grant

[48:00] for libraries.

[48:03] Has the county notified Islanderata of any monies that may be coming to Islanderata for that grant

[48:10] since it was a county grant?

[48:11] I have not received any information on that, right?

[48:15] Okay.

[48:16] I have not.

[48:16] There's also was an increased yesterday the county commission mean for tipping fees

[48:22] at the solid waste at their transfer station.

[48:27] Does anybody know how much the county makes off for those tipping fees?

[48:32] I do not.

[48:33] I know that at one point there was a discussion about how much our solid waste

[48:38] contractor was paying for tipping fees and they tried to come to some sort of agreement with

[48:43] the county but I don't know where they landed with that.

[48:47] I think it'd be important to find those two things out and maybe if we could before the next meeting

[48:54] and see if we get a response. I've asked the manager a couple of times to see if he could figure

[49:02] those things out and I think we need to figure that out.

[49:09] I think there's probably other things that the county does that, that I don't see that

[49:15] they're sharing with the village on those kind of things where they probably should be.

[49:26] Okay.

[49:27] I will look at that for you.

[49:29] Thank you.

[49:33] Any other questions on revenues?

[49:36] I don't see the hands raised out there either.

[49:39] Get audience land.

[49:40] Okay.

[49:43] Under Village Council, the only change since the workshop is a reduction on the travel

[49:49] and per DM, which you guys directed to reduce by $5,000.

[49:54] That's tab 213.

[50:11] Do we have a better sense of what the election is going to cost now that our clerks have

[50:15] been taken over election from the county?

[50:20] We still haven't had any updates on those needs yet.

[50:23] So we're just going to get a guess of $5,000, right?

[50:26] That's what we're estimating.

[50:27] We're still waiting to hear back from them.

[50:29] Thank you.

[50:36] All right.

[50:36] Moving along to village attorney.

[50:40] In the next budget book, we will have a breakout of the.

[50:46] We get the verbage

[50:51] of the different fees.

[50:54] Or the names.

[50:55] Another one.

[50:56] It was just me called the general municipal services and then the other line.

[50:59] I don't be litigation in special projects.

[51:02] Thank you.

[51:02] The wrong spot.

[51:06] And that will be for general municipal services.

[51:09] Just 523,740, and the litigation and special projects will be 176,260.

[51:17] Still staying at the $700,000 budget at a mount.

[51:35] Any questions on village attorney?

[51:40] All right.

[51:40] Village Manager.

[51:47] The only change is there's an increase of $4,947 in personnel expense.

[51:53] And I think that's because Jamie did some actual projections to make sure that they were

[51:58] or accurate, and reflect closer to what they will actually be at the end of the year.

[52:05] And you'll see that going forward with all of the personnel salaries.

[52:19] What was the other salaries and wages on that one up top?

[52:24] 48,000 that is 1,000.

[52:30] The 48,000 is the housing step in for the village manager.

[52:37] And then there's a thousand and over time, so really, that over time.

[52:50] Any questions on the village manager account?

[52:57] Village clerk, the same thing, just a little increase in the personal expense.

[53:01] Everything else remains the same from the budget workshops.

[53:17] Any questions for the village clerk?

[53:19] Clerk department.

[53:22] Don't see any.

[53:24] Finance and administration, same thing, there's an increase in personal expense, there's a decrease in workers' comp and the insurance because we got you guys approved the to your agreement so we reduced those expenses total expense decrease for finances $77,352.

[53:50] Where's the Rosasco accounting?

[53:56] It's my question.

[53:58] It's under it says consulting Bishop Rosasco for $30,000.

[54:09] Can you explain the difference?

[54:15] The difference in the contracts will be because I'm adding,

[54:19] I'm refunding, refunding my staff account in position.

[54:26] So, reallocating those funds to that position,

[54:29] and then still want to utilize them,

[54:31] because we are potentially going to have

[54:33] to take out some SRF loans for the wastewater

[54:37] capital projects that are coming up.

[54:40] And those are little difficult and time-consuming.

[54:45] So, I would like some support on that

[54:47] make sure that we get everything done properly.

[54:52] Okay, so you're going to look for some specific

[54:54] projects that you might need help with from Rososco specifically or another consulting firm

[55:00] or? Um, he would be, he would be assisting me that specific firm would be assisting me with the SRF

[55:06] loans and any other financial support I might need. But it's a, it's a reduction. Yes.

[55:13] It's less than, yeah, yeah, it's a reduction over last year's, all right.

[55:25] Any other finance questions?

[55:29] Okay.

[55:30] Moving along.

[55:34] Planning the only change in that budget is again, the personal expense.

[55:42] Everything else remains the same.

[55:56] Any questions for the planning department?

[55:59] There'll be light time.

[56:01] Oh, yeah, question.

[56:02] Oh, okay.

[56:02] Yep.

[56:03] It's not.

[56:04] All right.

[56:04] Moving along to I.C. and communications, again, personnel expense increase, and then there

[56:11] was also an increase for dozen subscriptions, but only around $38, $3,300.

[56:29] And just to reiterate, Vince will be looking into a lot of cost savings for the dozen

[56:35] subscriptions account.

[56:44] Any questions on the IT department?

[56:48] I see none.

[56:49] Local law enforcement, there's been no changes since the budget workshops.

[57:12] Fire rescue, we had a issue with the spreadsheets linking properly to the personnel spreadsheet.

[57:21] So there's a substantial increase there due to the error on the Excel linking.

[57:31] And then obviously updating the actual for the personnel.

[57:36] If we can work on scheduling and this, we can likely lower this over time down, is that not right?

[57:51] Chief, can you help me with this over time, please?

[58:03] Yes, sir.

[58:04] Thank you.

[58:07] How can we get over time down on this?

[58:11] Is there not recommendation from the consultant that Ron had gotten approval for?

[58:17] the consultant come out with any ideas of how we can lessen over time.

[58:24] There is an idea, however, it actually incurs us picking up additional staffing.

[58:31] So we pick up additional manning for each shift.

[58:36] However, we keep our staffing levels at the same.

[58:38] So we're below the NFPA standard currently.

[58:41] Typically, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday,

[58:44] we drop to 11.

[58:45] We should stay at 12.

[58:46] as a cost savings, I gamble the odds that we're not gonna have the worst calls on the

[58:52] weekdays, so we drop levels to 11 instead of 12, 12 is where we like to keep it.

[58:58] The recommendation was to actually pick up so that my normal staffing on all three shifts

[59:03] would be 13 or 14 people with my minimum staffing being at 12, so if one person calls

[59:09] out or two people call out, we don't have to fill in any positions, we only have to fill

[59:13] once that third or fourth person calls out.

[59:16] But again, then you're weighing out what a personnel cost

[59:19] and their cost benefits and their salaries, FRS, insurance,

[59:24] all that good stuff versus just paying straight over time.

[59:28] So there is a very small savings there.

[59:31] But again, it's increasing staffing times either three or six people.

[59:37] And so you've run this scenario where we'd actually save money

[59:40] if we had more staff because we wouldn't be paying the time and half on the salary.

[59:47] Correct.

[59:47] It's a minimal savings but there is some, yes.

[59:50] What is a minimal number when I'm looking at a budget of this size, what is that minimal number?

[1:00:00] I will get you that later tomorrow afternoon. I'm not going to shoot from the hip on that.

[1:00:06] Okay. There's a lot of variables.

[1:00:08] Also, do you have control over this overtime? I mean, is it part of the contract that the overtime

[1:00:16] be granted to, let's say, the higher payer, higher paider, higher seniority level, or does

[1:00:24] everybody get a chance at making this overtime?

[1:00:27] everybody gets it. So we fill officer positions with officer positions and we try to fill

[1:00:32] medic with medic and then EMT can get filled. We try to first with EMT. So there's a pecking

[1:00:38] order. We try to go like for like first and then it goes to the next lowest and it goes to the next

[1:00:42] lowest because obviously we don't want to give up a captain and have a two year EMT step in and try to

[1:00:48] fill a captain's position. So then we have to pay step up pay for somebody else. But we do have a

[1:00:54] to it and everybody's equally applied. So when we fire out over time, like I said, it's

[1:01:00] like for like first and it goes to everybody. Everybody has between two and six minutes to

[1:01:05] reply to their app on their phone to either take it or deny it. And then it goes to the next person

[1:01:10] and it goes to the next person. If you passed you in a half hour ago and nobody's taken it,

[1:01:14] you still have that option to pick up the overtime on the app. So everybody has the option,

[1:01:19] some people don't. As was mentioned yesterday or Tuesday night, most of my guys have two

[1:01:26] jobs, so sometimes they can't pick up an overtime position because of their second jobs

[1:01:30] interfering. So those that have strict schedules with their second job, they work their regular

[1:01:37] shifts, they don't pick up overtime. Those that don't have a second job frequently pick

[1:01:41] up the overtime.

[1:01:45] Awesome. Thank you. Thanks, Chief.

[1:01:46] Yes, sir.

[1:01:54] Any other questions about fire rescue?

[1:02:06] Code compliance?

[1:02:08] I did have a chance to sit down with our supervisor of code.

[1:02:14] Sorry, it wasn't a wear of his title.

[1:02:17] And he actually found a huge savings in their training.

[1:02:23] Where it all will be online now.

[1:02:26] And so that's where you're going to see a big reduction in travel and

[1:02:29] and the training itself is actually a lot less expensive.

[1:02:39] Is this on our professional services?

[1:02:41] Do we pay our code magistrate?

[1:02:44] Do we pay them a straight salary on their contract?

[1:02:49] Or is it just as we use them?

[1:02:52] I believe it's just as we use them.

[1:02:54] Yeah, it's hourly.

[1:02:55] It's hourly.

[1:02:56] Okay.

[1:02:57] And so the better our code compliance folks do

[1:03:00] getting compliance unless hearings we have, unless we're paying this guy. Okay. Thank you.

[1:03:07] And I think that's why he was comfortable knocking it down a thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah,

[1:03:13] they're seems like they're hearings have been less and compliance has been ironed. And we also

[1:03:18] have a new co-compliance, a new co-compliance magistrate, and we were able to negotiate a lower

[1:03:23] really rate for him as well. Good deal. Thank you.

[1:03:31] All right. Any questions, that code?

[1:03:37] Moving along to public works. Again, you'll see an increase in the personnel, an increase

[1:03:44] $1,000 in utility services, decrease in repair and maintenance by 1,000 to balance that out.

[1:03:53] And then an adjustment to the allocation to the transportation fund.

[1:04:06] Any questions about public works?

[1:04:12] I see none up here.

[1:04:13] Okay, moving along.

[1:04:17] Parks and Recreation Department.

[1:04:19] The only change I have currently is an increase in personnel.

[1:04:29] Would you have any questions?

[1:04:31] I know there were questions about the special events.

[1:04:42] How we might be able to find some revenue sources or some sponsors or something

[1:04:53] to lessen taxpayer dollars that are coming in, or yes, John.

[1:04:57] As it's after the workshop, my office met with Maria and Annie about that, and we are

[1:05:05] working with them to formulate a sponsorship policy, so that there's a clear policy and in

[1:05:10] there, the amounts that will come with with the village

[1:05:16] conspecified which events can be sponsored

[1:05:18] and then what the costs will be and also anticipating

[1:05:21] the option if you want to sponsor all events

[1:05:23] you can do it for X amount.

[1:05:25] So we're working on getting a policy so that that'll be in place.

[1:05:28] So hopefully we can start bringing in some,

[1:05:31] are subsidizing some of those costs through sponsorships.

[1:05:35] OK.

[1:05:35] I also had a call from ICE and not the guys in the black suits in the mask, but the folks

[1:05:44] that work on the music venues and all of that stuff, and they're really struggling, and

[1:05:49] they're requesting some assistance for us.

[1:05:53] Also we had a speaker at our last council meeting that got up and talked about wanting to

[1:06:03] keep things like pops in a park, and that kind of thing, and are we looked at any ways to be able to promote those and keep those without driving up the cost on the taxpayer?

[1:06:21] I know Maria is increasing parking fees, and there is one event that we're actually not going to be able to have.

[1:06:28] next year, so we will reduce the budget accordingly for the special events, but outside

[1:06:34] of that, I know that they're looking at increasing charging more for different items,

[1:06:39] retail items, at the events themselves and parking.

[1:06:43] There was also an email that we received that talked about our special events and how the

[1:06:48] budget is going up quite a bit.

[1:06:51] Is there reason why it's raised from 75,000 to 115,000 is that just the cost to do in business?

[1:07:01] No, part of it is because Ilamrodic community entertainment is having hard time supporting

[1:07:07] the events that they've been doing for the past years, as far as paying for the sound and the

[1:07:13] lighting and all of that. So they did request for us to help them with those charges. So that is a portion

[1:07:26] I got a hand up, Jamie.

[1:07:32] Hi, Jamie Angle. And thank you, John, for bringing up the email I sent to all of you guys. And while I understand

[1:07:41] that we wanted to do things for the community and beats on the ban, all these events or fabulous,

[1:07:47] when Maria was nice enough to put together a calendar kind of with some tentative numbers, and I just looked at it.

[1:07:55] my prior life, I was an events in meeting and convention planner.

[1:07:59] So I kind of looked at it with a more critical eye.

[1:08:02] And just so that the public is aware, it's not a little bit of money.

[1:08:06] It's like 63,000 dollars.

[1:08:09] So you guys just had a 35-minute conversation

[1:08:13] about raising, giving someone a raise,

[1:08:16] which I guess we don't want to say who it was,

[1:08:19] but glad it's going to go through, I think.

[1:08:22] But you want to spend $63,000 on special events.

[1:08:27] And it's not that we should not do events.

[1:08:32] We should find ways to cover the expenses,

[1:08:36] because we're not here to take a loss on every single one of those events.

[1:08:41] My other concern that I brought.

[1:08:44] And I did give you three or four emails I think I went back.

[1:08:47] And I send it to everybody and I gave ideas on different things selling tickets to the event.

[1:08:54] One of the gentlemen at Parks and Rec said he came and watched one of the cover bands

[1:08:58] at one of Beats on the Bay and thought he was so great, he got in for free, he went to

[1:09:04] home instead, I think it was and saw the band and they spent $25 a ticket, I think he said,

[1:09:10] to go see the same cover band.

[1:09:12] So, if there are ways that we can sell one of my ideas was, if there's a series of six events,

[1:09:20] then sell a series of tickets, all six events for $50, pay $10 an event, get one for free.

[1:09:28] The village then knows, most of the time people come and choose, so that's $100, right?

[1:09:33] And that's whether they show up or they don't show up.

[1:09:36] That's $100 or it's $50.

[1:09:38] charged the the the food trucks instead of going off of 15% of whatever they may make

[1:09:46] charge them $200 an event let them come to six charge them for five that's a thousand dollars

[1:09:52] of food truck there's some more money in your pocket. So I think it's just a matter of really

[1:09:57] sitting down and brainstorming and doing some sponsorship. My other concern though if you guys

[1:10:04] looked at it was back in January, you all passed a resolution to limit the number of events

[1:10:10] at the park. And based on the events that are already being advertised, beats on the Bay

[1:10:17] has six, there's the medical market, there's the Christmas event, there's Trunker Tree, there's

[1:10:25] you are already probably double the number of events that you all agreed you are going to limit

[1:10:33] back in January. So I would just say somebody's not looking at, sorry, somebody's not looking at the calendar, or the numbers, or the resolutions that you're passing, because if you put a limit, so that the park is not being overused, someone needs to look at that calendar, figure out how many people if it's a large event, a major event, and how many you're allowed to have a year, or change the resolution and change it up again.

[1:11:01] I don't know.

[1:11:02] The other thing too is you had limits in the number of days

[1:11:05] between these events and looking at the calendars,

[1:11:10] that's out the window too,

[1:11:11] because there's a lot of events that don't,

[1:11:14] you know, fall within that or whatever.

[1:11:17] So just my two cents, but we're not talking a little bit of money.

[1:11:22] It's 63,000 plus probably another seven or eight thousand dollars

[1:11:26] if we add the additional new events that are on that schedule.

[1:11:30] So I just think, have a workshop, figure out what you can do to try to put the stuff together,

[1:11:36] Ron actually told me when I sent it to him, they were good ideas and he was going to send

[1:11:40] it to supplement.

[1:11:41] But I think you definitely need to look at the budget just in that, you know, that particular

[1:11:47] case.

[1:11:48] They're ways to cover it.

[1:11:49] We just got to figure it out.

[1:11:57] Maria, do you want to come up and address some of those things that, because I know I called

[1:12:00] you, but I didn't have time to call you Jamie before I came here, but I called Maria and spoke

[1:12:05] to her.

[1:12:05] Hi, good evening.

[1:12:07] Thanks.

[1:12:07] I'm Maria.

[1:12:09] Yes.

[1:12:10] We are working very hard on trying to evaluate all our programs, all our beats on a

[1:12:16] base series, and looking at ways of creating revenue for all these events.

[1:12:23] Like I said, John mentioned, we're working on different looking on a policy and ways of

[1:12:28] trying to create sponsorships, but that takes time.

[1:12:31] It's not, we're not going to be able to get this together in a week or two, it will take

[1:12:38] a few months.

[1:12:39] So we are definitely working on that.

[1:12:41] I think Jamie mentioned the policy when it comes to all the events in the park.

[1:12:46] That policy pertains to outside organizations.

[1:12:50] Okay.

[1:12:51] It's the charitable organizations that use the park, the rotary club events, the chamber events,

[1:12:57] any outside organization.

[1:12:58] So that policy covers all those type of events.

[1:13:02] The events at the parks put on, we manage them and we try to, we look at the schedules

[1:13:09] and we definitely try to balance the schedule and try to put these events that we offer

[1:13:15] in between the major events.

[1:13:18] So does the Beats on the Bay because ICE was helping with that?

[1:13:21] Is that fall under the village or the not for profit?

[1:13:26] it's village of that okay yeah the beats on the bay is a series that was created six

[1:13:31] seven years ago uh-huh and it was created from the parks department asking the ice

[1:13:36] organization to collaborate on providing these programs for our lovely how about the

[1:13:43] pops on the park pops on the park is a event that we co-sponsor that is a village

[1:13:48] co-sponsor event pops in the park is free to the float in movies do you still do those

[1:13:55] that's in anilamorada. That's a part of that, yep.

[1:13:59] And a lot of majority of the events that we put on

[1:14:04] are events that range from like,

[1:14:06] beats on the bay range from, you know, 800 to 1500.

[1:14:11] Sometimes it may get to 2000, but we haven't had an event

[1:14:15] with 2000 beats on a bay in a year or so.

[1:14:17] And do you charge for parking when you do a beats on a bay

[1:14:20] and pops into park and that kind of stuff?

[1:14:22] Pops in the park is a free event.

[1:14:23] Okay. The only event where we charge for parking is for beats on the bay, trunk or treat

[1:14:30] event, egg hunt event. So any major event where we are having, or they're not, semi major,

[1:14:38] where we're having, you know, five, six hundred people, we do charge. Do you part of, during

[1:14:44] the Fourth of July thing? Do you charge for those food trucks that are out there? That is

[1:14:49] another collaborated event with the Rotary Club. The Rotary Club actually is a main

[1:14:53] sponsor for that event, we assist with that, and the road to week.

[1:15:04] So how does the part make anything off of that? Or just spending money on that?

[1:15:14] Not off the July 4th of that. How about any of the chamber events? Those are all.

[1:15:23] The Chamber of Commerce, we do not.

[1:15:26] That is a, that's outside organization using the park.

[1:15:30] We do not collaborate with those events.

[1:15:33] Now, it does is still does the, the uppercase rotary clubs still pays for the park when they do the nautical market.

[1:15:40] Correct.

[1:15:41] Do they do that with the, with the, with the 4th of July event as well?

[1:15:44] No, they do not.

[1:15:47] Okay.

[1:15:47] No.

[1:15:48] the non-profits pay when they use those that list of other events, they pay for the use of the

[1:15:56] park.

[1:15:57] So there is a difference between the village sponsored events and those that would overlap

[1:16:04] the verses, the ones that are done by other organizations.

[1:16:10] Correct.

[1:16:10] There's the outside room.

[1:16:12] Within the guidelines, we're said when it comes to those.

[1:16:17] So the village can have as many as they want.

[1:16:19] Correct.

[1:16:20] But with a balance.

[1:16:22] Okay.

[1:16:23] Yes.

[1:16:24] We just don't allow.

[1:16:26] We just have to do this.

[1:16:27] Yes.

[1:16:28] And where do you have?

[1:16:31] And we understand that we need to create them.

[1:16:33] With that, we balance with all these events.

[1:16:35] We can't have an event here every weekend.

[1:16:38] It's too much for the community.

[1:16:39] The park needs to be available for the public just for regular enjoyment.

[1:16:43] So we, you know, that is something we definitely try to balance out.

[1:16:51] So you're working on trying to find, I mean, listen, if amendment three passes.

[1:16:58] This park is not, without having private sponsorships and without having vendor income and without having parking fees and entrance fees and all of those things.

[1:17:12] Bill is not going to be able to afford to maintain this part.

[1:17:16] Correct.

[1:17:16] So we need to start thinking about that.

[1:17:19] We are definitely, we are definitely looking out to different avenues.

[1:17:25] Will we ever be able to cover all the expenses?

[1:17:29] I don't know that.

[1:17:32] It's, you know, we ask a lot from our community from all our businesses already.

[1:17:39] all the charitable organizations ask for sponsorship already, all the charitable organizations

[1:17:46] are constantly asking, you know, businesses for, you know, for sponsorship.

[1:17:51] So, but we're going to do our best, and hopefully we can create some good sponsors and

[1:17:56] be able to continue to offer these great programs and events because, you know, they're great

[1:18:03] and people enjoy themselves, they're family, family events, and that's what we're here for.

[1:18:08] Yeah. And that's why we're here is to provide programs and events for this park and it'll be sad not to have these programs for such a great facility.

[1:18:20] So we're really going to do our best to make sure we, and I'll keep these programs growing.

[1:18:25] Sure. I just think to set a protocol of sponsorship, who goes out and gets it, how we fund it.

[1:18:34] I don't agree with the park should lose money,

[1:18:36] but we should at least try to break even.

[1:18:38] And the fact that we're losing $60,000 a year,

[1:18:42] there's a problem somewhere.

[1:18:44] But I think this is new, and it's going to take you some time.

[1:18:48] And if you figure out these events,

[1:18:51] we charge for this, charge that.

[1:18:53] There are a lot of people in this community who will step up

[1:18:55] to the plate and be a sponsor for this park.

[1:18:58] I mean, I run a 501C3, I ask all the time for help.

[1:19:03] And this is a big community, with a big heart, and I know you don't want to see things go

[1:19:09] or lie, but at the same time we can't put this $60,000 on the taxpayers.

[1:19:14] So I think it's just you finding a, you know, and also if you, if you do have suggestions

[1:19:21] or, you know, like an outline of how you do that, you know, doing sponsorships, because

[1:19:28] And I say, you know, I was a village, I'm a facility, I'm a municipality, we never had to do that.

[1:19:34] I was never tasked with my go-home career here, having to go out and look for sponsorship for money.

[1:19:41] And that's, and I'll not be something new to me.

[1:19:43] And I'm new to Annie and I, and I was like, that's helped take time.

[1:19:46] And, you know, I'm a big mouture, so, you know, I move off everybody from my rescue.

[1:19:51] And so I know it's it is time consuming. It's a hard thing, but you'll find once you

[1:19:58] Establish that this is such a great thing. We do hear the people will support you and I'd be more than glad to see

[1:20:04] I'm willing to

[1:20:06] Meetings or whatever we need to do to get it going, but because I we definitely don't want to see these events

[1:20:13] Not happening because I agree, so thank you

[1:20:17] Can we make sure that?

[1:20:18] Yeah, but can we make sure also that that is maybe something that's brought up at the next Parks and Rec committee meetings so that that can be discussed

[1:20:27] We'll put that on the agenda. Yeah, yeah

[1:20:31] To get their input and their suggestions on how to move forward

[1:20:34] We probably have people in your committee who would step up to the plate and go out

[1:20:39] And that's what it's going to take more than just our department, you know, to do it. It's going to have

[1:20:46] Thank you very

[1:20:52] much.

[1:20:53] Is there any direction to change anything in that budget after that conversation?

[1:20:57] It's deep.

[1:20:59] I just have, I'd like some clarification on the reimbursement to the school district under utilities for the specifically like the baseball field.

[1:21:08] I think that there needs to be some clarification on really asking on behalf of Jamie.

[1:21:13] This is something that she pointed out.

[1:21:14] I think to all of us that we don't really have a clarification in terms of what we're responsible

[1:21:20] for on the our property that the school district is going to be leasing, we're hearing

[1:21:27] about an annual grooming now of sweeping the field, who's responsible for that.

[1:21:32] I think that I'd just like to know a little bit more specifics on what our responsibility

[1:21:38] is going to be there.

[1:21:41] Well, I spoke to Maria about that this morning, or this afternoon also, and she was in an agreement that she believed that that annual grooming is part of the school districts fees or whatever that they have to pay.

[1:21:56] Do they believe that?

[1:21:57] That's up to him to.

[1:21:58] Yes.

[1:21:59] We've told him repeatedly that our staff, once artificial turf is in there, is not going to be in charge of grooming it.

[1:22:06] the actual cost we've been going back and forth because Mr. Fears gone, but I've told

[1:22:11] them as soon as they know that the cost actually are. Now they have identified their vendor

[1:22:15] which is a asset or we need more specifics for what's the exact grooming for that particular

[1:22:19] turf, what is the cost, et cetera, what is the type of care. So they have not given us those

[1:22:24] figures, but they're still, I guess, getting them together. But as soon as we get them, we'll

[1:22:29] share it with them.

[1:22:30] I've asked that several times, as far as what is actually going to cost us. But we made it clear, our employees are to stay off that field, because we don't want to violate the warranty, we don't want to do the wrong thing, and so they're going to have a company that specifically does that. And when it's off season, we'll take up whatever we're sure it shouldn't be that much, but whatever it is, it will be our share, but during season, it's definitely theirs, and then off season, it shouldn't be that much.

[1:22:54] They'll still be doing the care.

[1:22:56] We may have to pay some portion of that,

[1:22:58] but I don't anticipate being a lot of money.

[1:23:02] Steve, I just don't like the idea

[1:23:04] we're going to have to pay some portion of it.

[1:23:06] And we don't know.

[1:23:07] Do we want to invite Jamie up to ask some specific questions

[1:23:11] or is she done with her public comment?

[1:23:14] Come on, Jamie.

[1:23:16] Putting on the spot.

[1:23:18] So the school district, when we decided to do the turf

[1:23:21] field, which is great, is going in.

[1:23:23] Hopefully, we're going to have that done, give the rain.

[1:23:27] They said we were going to take it from the $48,000,

[1:23:30] which we were told is what it was costing us, basically,

[1:23:35] year to $6,000 a year.

[1:23:37] And obviously, we know that that is not true.

[1:23:40] Because the $48,000 a year, and I've

[1:23:43] been pointing this out forever, included what Maria, again,

[1:23:46] put together.

[1:23:47] It was the water, the supplies, the labor, even though they

[1:23:51] maybe do in the turf, Maria's people still have to take care of what the bathrooms and the

[1:23:56] toilet paper and the paper towels and the garbage clean up and the weeding around the

[1:24:01] bleachers and so there's still labor supplies and materials that are there that we don't

[1:24:06] have a number on, but those were kind of in last year's budget, but now that we know that

[1:24:12] the $4,500 that Mr. Allen, I guess, sent to Ron, that includes the annual look over the

[1:24:21] field. Well, I'm presuming we have to figure out when's that annual going to happen. And

[1:24:27] are we going to be responsible? Is that going to get split? Seven months, five months,

[1:24:31] however, months that. And then there is obviously additional stuff that has to be done on

[1:24:36] the field, which, again, Mr. Allen responded in his email three times a week off season,

[1:24:42] I guess in season one time a week off season, there's grooming and stuff. Again, who

[1:24:49] is the school district going to hire to do that? How much are they going to charge to do that?

[1:24:55] And the village is responsible for seven months worth of that. And the school district is going

[1:25:02] to take care of the five that they have it. So it is an open question. And it is, I think, an

[1:25:08] important question, because even looking at the budget right now that's on there, we had

[1:25:15] what a $20,000, $24,000 budget last year,

[1:25:20] wasn't, but now we're up to $30,000,

[1:25:23] and that's just for water and utilities

[1:25:24] as a reimbursement to the school district.

[1:25:28] So it's actually gone up $6,000,

[1:25:30] it has gone $26,000.

[1:25:33] So that was just my question on it,

[1:25:35] is I think there's, you know,

[1:25:38] and that's not Maria's fault.

[1:25:40] That's the school district, basically.

[1:25:42] I think needs to tell us what those expenses are if we're just trying to put a budget together

[1:25:49] for parks.

[1:25:50] She can't guess we need numbers, and I know Mr. Will Fear left, but somebody's got to get

[1:25:57] going with us because what if they come back and tell us it's going to cost us $20,000 just

[1:26:03] for our portion of the maintenance?

[1:26:07] Ron, between now and our next budget meeting, will you be able to get those numbers for us?

[1:26:12] I'll continue to ask for them.

[1:26:15] I'll talk to Mr. Terney, because he's supposedly his taken over.

[1:26:19] They didn't replace Mr. Lafaire.

[1:26:21] And when I asked him to replace him, I was told by the staff that was out there,

[1:26:25] starting that there was tyranny, was who they were reporting to.

[1:26:29] That's yes.

[1:26:29] I would think that Terney is the person for you to get that information from.

[1:26:34] That's what I was told.

[1:26:35] Adam Needing, I guess, but I don't know what day it was,

[1:26:38] but they met this week and he was tired

[1:26:40] before them, but he and I was just to talk on next week.

[1:26:43] It didn't make sense to me that there would be an increase

[1:26:47] in water and a rural electricity since we're not

[1:26:50] having a water grass any more.

[1:26:54] I would say weeding around the reading in that area

[1:27:00] anywhere in there is still going to be, whether they were there or not, we would still be

[1:27:07] doing that. That's not what the big deal is, the increases that we're seeing when we really

[1:27:14] felt that there was going to be a decrease. Steve, you look like you're one of both.

[1:27:19] I guess I'm just thinking that we've got more negotiating to do coming up, and I think that

[1:27:24] these are some of those specifics either. We can roll these into that negotiation or sort

[1:27:29] out prior, so I'm not really sure how we want to do it.

[1:27:32] And we're looking at these as projections, but we do need to fine-tune those, and we need

[1:27:37] to understand those numbers, and we can only hope that those numbers are over-projected,

[1:27:46] that there is that they do assume the responsibility of many of those things, and if they're

[1:27:52] picking the cattle lack of a guide to go out there and sweep that grass, when we can find

[1:27:59] somebody that understands that grass, it could do a much less.

[1:28:02] We shouldn't have to pay that extra fee that they've chosen because they've got the unlimited

[1:28:09] bucket of money and we don't.

[1:28:12] Yes, I just asked AI what an annual maintenance cost for a turf field for a baseball field.

[1:28:19] And it says synthetic turf baseball field typically costs between 7,023,000 annually

[1:28:25] for the Ilamara climate, a practical operating budget is about 20,000 per year.

[1:28:31] For grooming, cleaning, infill, seam repairs, testing, labor, and equipment.

[1:28:36] Okay, was that from Proplexity, or was that from Jack?

[1:28:40] Co-pilot?

[1:28:41] No, okay.

[1:28:42] That's not even cleaning.

[1:28:43] Get water in here.

[1:28:45] Yeah.

[1:28:46] And I was going to...

[1:28:48] In again, Mr. LaShare was never really telling us the truth, when he's

[1:28:54] stood up there. I mean, the contract with this astroturf is once a year. And so it's not

[1:29:04] like we're getting a monthly service. That's where we have to come in. Or the school board

[1:29:10] has to come in. Yes, the school board. Hopefully. And so there is water involved in it and

[1:29:16] maintenance every week. And like I said, for him to stand up there and say 6,000, that was

[1:29:21] We all know how that happened.

[1:29:24] Yes, ma'am.

[1:29:26] Okay.

[1:29:26] Thank you, Eddie.

[1:29:28] Anything else on this item?

[1:29:30] Thank you, Steve.

[1:29:32] Do I have any direction to change anything before we move forward?

[1:29:36] No, I think there are projections at this point and I think that the direction is for our manager

[1:29:41] to find two.

[1:29:42] These and get these numbers to us.

[1:29:45] So.

[1:29:46] Okay.

[1:29:49] Vanna, are you clicking forward?

[1:29:51] I guess.

[1:29:54] You didn't know my heart was pointing backwards.

[1:30:02] Tab 3 is the special revenue funds. Tab 3-1 is impact fee fund.

[1:30:11] The only change I have there is I increase the transfer

[1:30:14] out to the capital projects fund for the safe streets for all projects.

[1:30:23] I increase the transfer out to the capital

[1:30:26] projects fund for the safe streets for all project.

[1:30:33] You'll see that reflected under the cap.

[1:30:38] Next time is solid waste.

[1:30:45] I looked at the assessments as far as the amount of CEOs that we've had.

[1:30:52] So I increased that a little bit so the revenue has increased like $1,600.

[1:30:56] There was a decrease in the transfer from general fund so that did help our fund balance

[1:31:02] a little bit, around $62,000, small increase in first and all expense in a decrease

[1:31:11] in professional services based on the approved contract and a very small decrease in insurance.

[1:31:24] So overall, a decrease of 121,684 dollars.

[1:31:36] Next tab is transportation fund.

[1:31:42] Again, we received the numbers from the state.

[1:31:45] So the first and second local option fuel tax,

[1:31:47] I updated those revenue amounts.

[1:31:49] It was a total increase of $74,108.

[1:31:54] There was a decrease in transfer from general funds.

[1:31:58] Another area where that helped the general fund.

[1:32:03] And then a small increase in the public work spread way allocation.

[1:32:15] Before you flip the page, can I ask you a question?

[1:32:18] Sure.

[1:32:18] On the transportation.

[1:32:20] Have you factored in for freebie the money that we were supposed to get because they liked us?

[1:32:28] We got the contract.

[1:32:29] I did not include that as a revenue to be safe.

[1:32:34] But are we pursuing that?

[1:32:36] one.

[1:32:37] Well, we're going to.

[1:32:40] Wake up.

[1:32:41] Say you're talking about the fear that we're

[1:32:43] having.

[1:32:44] And all that we need to pursue that because trust me, they're not going to give it to us without us asking them.

[1:32:50] And so that's not in here.

[1:32:52] That is not in here.

[1:32:54] It will be great if it is.

[1:32:56] If we do end up getting revenue, that will decrease.

[1:32:59] It shouldn't be transfer from general funds, so that'll helping them.

[1:33:01] If we get revenue.

[1:33:02] When we get revenue, the fair road, they collect the effect of July 1.

[1:33:08] I'm not talking to just the fair, I'm talking to the advertising and plus the money they were just going to give us the 75,000

[1:33:15] because they'd like us, you know, John Marotta, I just want to make sure that's, we get it.

[1:33:22] I've scheduled a meeting with Jason with the free beef, I think, for next week, we're going to talk about all these things.

[1:33:29] I remember I brought up last week about advertising, that's still not clear, but we will

[1:33:33] or won't agree to, but these other things are on the table, too, because they want to.

[1:33:38] I tell me it's already time for us to maybe look at the contract and make some changes because

[1:33:42] things are going on, so he understands.

[1:33:45] Are there, is there any chance of putting in this transportation fund revenues for, or

[1:33:51] is that go under permits when our public works departments start staying on top of permit

[1:34:03] fees for cutting crossing roads?

[1:34:09] You mean like a reimbursement for pay?

[1:34:13] Well, actually we'd be part of a permit fee that would go to public works, public works

[1:34:18] right now charges permit fees for cutting, for the public doing work on our roads. Is there

[1:34:28] anywhere in here that we see those permit fees in this, it would be under the General

[1:34:33] Fund revenue. It would be under the General Fund revenue. It would go in, so that it pays

[1:34:39] for the maintenance on the roads. The way that the public works department works is there's

[1:34:47] calculation for the 65% of the how they get the anything that goes into repairing the

[1:34:54] roads and the transportation and then there's a transfer done.

[1:34:58] Okay.

[1:35:01] I can get more detailed information for you on that if you'd like.

[1:35:06] Thank you.

[1:35:07] Mm-hmm.

[1:35:14] Affordable housing fund.

[1:35:15] There were no changes.

[1:35:25] Building fund.

[1:35:26] There were no changes.

[1:35:36] tab 4 is the debt service fund. No changes there. Looking forward to paying off some of the loans.

[1:35:43] This is coming here.

[1:35:47] We're paying off too.

[1:35:55] Any questions on debt service?

[1:36:02] Tab 5 is capital projects.

[1:36:17] We received the amount for discretionary sales tax.

[1:36:22] It was an increase last year.

[1:36:24] only got about 3.3 million this year we got 3.5.

[1:36:31] Other than that you'll see a change in fund balance

[1:36:36] because I updated some of the actuals for the revenues on this year so that kind of shows you

[1:36:43] more of what the fund balance will look like next year beginning at 10.126. Other than that the changes

[1:36:51] that I've made are transfer in from the transportation fund for the safe streets for all.

[1:36:59] decreased the transfer in from transportation fund for the heritage trail, reduced the use

[1:37:07] of fund balance, removed the sculpture for 11,000, increased the land acquisition by 15,000,

[1:37:19] increased the fire rescue budget,

[1:37:23] by moving the boat lift that was approved last fiscal year

[1:37:26] and just putting it over into this fiscal year.

[1:37:31] And then I increase the safe streets for all expenditure, because it's actually 400,000 for the total

[1:37:39] projects. So you need to actually put the total amount in there, even if we don't spend it this fiscal

[1:37:45] year, which I think is what's going to happen. It's going to end up being 200 this year, 200 next year.

[1:37:55] But

[1:37:55] conceptual design for public works by 50,000, and we reduced the village hall improvement by 200,000.

[1:38:03] The one thing I did miss is removing the $20,000 for the art wall installation.

[1:38:09] I will remove that and make sure it's off of the next book.

[1:38:13] So you took the 50,000 off of the public works building, correct?

[1:38:18] Yes.

[1:38:19] You did or did you say that was reduced to 250,000?

[1:38:23] I reduced the public works conceptual design to $50,000 down to $50.

[1:38:28] I thought we were going to take it off.

[1:38:31] You know, I wasn't thinking.

[1:38:33] I know, but there's been discussion not to do it at all.

[1:38:37] I thought we left some in.

[1:38:41] We did.

[1:38:41] But I want to, I thought it was a figure out.

[1:38:44] Do we really need to do that?

[1:38:46] So you've reduced it from $250.

[1:38:48] Because to $50,000.

[1:38:49] I would like to see that area replanted as we talked about.

[1:38:54] Can we have a J-Trace?

[1:38:56] It wasn't specific to the Hill.

[1:38:57] I think that's what you're referring to.

[1:38:59] Yes.

[1:38:59] Can you talk about the Hill?

[1:39:01] They'd like to talk to you.

[1:39:02] You could do that in our lane-staking fund.

[1:39:05] They made sure.

[1:39:07] Yeah.

[1:39:09] Can you just sort out for us?

[1:39:11] Because it's a little scary when it says under public works building,

[1:39:14] PWD conceptual design.

[1:39:16] And you just tell us what that is.

[1:39:17] 50,000 reduced from 100, right?

[1:39:21] Two, from, correct.

[1:39:24] Yeah, it was 100.

[1:39:25] Down to, to fit.

[1:39:26] Down to $50,000.

[1:39:27] Not down to $250,000.

[1:39:32] It's $50,000.

[1:39:33] It's $50,000.

[1:39:34] It's $50,000.

[1:39:35] And a figure out that one word that explains the place.

[1:39:40] Yeah.

[1:39:40] So what is it?

[1:39:42] What is it?

[1:39:42] What do you need it?

[1:39:44] So it's, there's been talk for, I've been here ten and a half years now and for ten and a half years we've been trying to find a spot for public works.

[1:39:53] Sorry my voice is partially gone.

[1:39:57] But they want to remove, it's been talk that remove public works from Founders Park.

[1:40:05] Founders Park, Main and Staff and Public Works.

[1:40:08] Public Works have a lot of shared uses, shared building, shared equipment, shared things.

[1:40:13] There's been talks of moving me, other locations, one was the hill, off-site, whatever that may be.

[1:40:20] But the 50,000 is to discuss in really pinpoint conceptually what that would look like,

[1:40:27] whether it's here another location, whatever that may be, and to provide some options to find feasible locations.

[1:40:35] I think that can, I think, well, it's budgeted, it's not spent.

[1:40:40] And it's going to come to us before we spend it, so we'll, yeah, I just don't think somebody needs to get 50,000 dollars to find a place for that.

[1:40:50] Right. But I understand the idea that I think AJ spoke to me about how Monroe County had built a building for their public works that was ill-conceived and ill-planned so that what they wanted to put in there, everything didn't fit.

[1:41:07] So, I think I appreciate the idea of this, and I think we all can read that we really need

[1:41:13] to work hard on trying to find a suitable place for places to get these public works and

[1:41:20] also to be more efficient in terms of how they move things.

[1:41:23] So even just one central area, even if we had a giant place where we could put everything,

[1:41:28] isn't really the best solution for him and his equipment, right?

[1:41:31] So, correct.

[1:41:32] But we currently operate mainly out of founder's part, but I do have Southern crews, part

[1:41:39] of our operations.

[1:41:40] We have to play with the waste station, moving equipment from one side to the other.

[1:41:46] We have to go through the waste station every single time, which is makes it any efficient.

[1:41:51] So moving large equipment, our bobcats, the man lift, dump trucks, things like that,

[1:41:58] deliveries as well.

[1:42:00] So having separate locations makes it more efficient.

[1:42:04] But again, we utilize, we're very closely with the park staff here.

[1:42:12] And a lot of that equipment that is here is utilized by the park as well.

[1:42:17] So it coming and going would also impact their operations as well.

[1:42:22] But there's a lot.

[1:42:24] I like it here, so I can count all of the trucks you have every holiday.

[1:42:28] And just drive there and know, see if we've got a new and back there or not, makes it easy for me.

[1:42:37] Yes, Deb.

[1:42:37] So you said it was inefficient with the waste station only because of time, right?

[1:42:43] Correct.

[1:42:44] It makes time and then I also have to have certain personnel with CDLs to move that equipment.

[1:42:50] And you would have to have them either way.

[1:42:52] If we're moving it, if you're going one way, but if we're moving some of that equipment from founders that they're utilizing,

[1:42:58] they do not have staff that have CDL. So we would have to provide and move that equipment

[1:43:03] for them and to bring it back here.

[1:43:07] Okay, and if you have two locations then you need two sets of equipment. If you want on the

[1:43:13] north side of the waste station and one on the south side and then you have to have double the equipment.

[1:43:18] I wouldn't need double the equipment if we have to.

[1:43:21] Well not every piece, not every piece.

[1:43:24] Our larger equipment, that's why we have shared.

[1:43:26] We use it in wastewater as well.

[1:43:27] We'll use it in public works.

[1:43:28] We use it with the park maintenance.

[1:43:32] But having a shared office space, shared maintenance

[1:43:36] building, shared things, if we separate from each other,

[1:43:39] we would now have two of those buildings

[1:43:40] of the exact same thing as well.

[1:43:44] I understand that.

[1:43:46] I was getting at the point of the fact that you

[1:43:49] have the equipment located at two places

[1:43:51] that you can't share it anymore.

[1:43:54] correct that it could be shared if it would just be an efficient as far as sharing we'd

[1:43:59] have to our guys would have to keep bringing it back and forth yes. Yeah.

[1:44:09] Okay.

[1:44:15] The only

[1:44:15] other reduction is the public work or not the public work sorry. The village hall improvements

[1:44:20] we reduced to $200,000, $200,000, $200,000, $200,000, $200,000, $200,000, $200,000

[1:44:34] And that would include the spalling repair, the painting, the air conditioner, and carpet, and anything else.

[1:44:43] Yes, hopefully.

[1:44:46] But that carpet or the stuff in there is going, we're going to change that out.

[1:44:51] If we can afford it with that budget.

[1:44:55] And this building was built in 2007, 2008.

[1:45:08] That's basically all the original stuff is what we're talking about, okay?

[1:45:21] Other than that, there's no changes to the capital. Other than that.

[1:45:29] Top six enterprise funds,

[1:45:38] Puyage Marina Fund, the big change would be the $100,000 transfer

[1:45:43] to general funds,

[1:45:48] other than that, the only thing that has been adjusted is the personal

[1:45:52] expense, like the rest of the accounts.

[1:45:55] I know several slips out there that have been vacant for quite some time, and we've talked

[1:45:59] several times about there being a backlog or a list of people that want to get in there.

[1:46:08] Are there people that actually rent those faces and don't park there both there?

[1:46:13] Or are they just gone down there?

[1:46:14] I think sometimes they do, they deserve it, even though they're not there, so it's

[1:46:19] ready for them when they get there.

[1:46:21] Outside of that, I know that the list that they have is for the annual, not for the transient.

[1:46:29] And the annuals, I think, are all full.

[1:46:32] So some of those may be for transient larger boats as well.

[1:46:38] Yeah.

[1:46:39] Well, maybe we ought to put a permanent there if we've got a list instead of working

[1:46:44] about and fill those faces up.

[1:46:48] I mean, it'd be more revenue.

[1:46:52] You know, worrying about somebody coming and waiting for a transient.

[1:46:57] Or maybe you can even work out a...

[1:47:02] We need to run that marine like a business and if it's sitting there empty all of the time because we're waiting on somebody to be transient

[1:47:10] Well, we've got a list of folks that are willing to pay for it to be there.

[1:47:14] We're losing that revenue while we're waiting on somebody to come pay us. That makes no sense.

[1:47:21] It would be interesting to see if you could offer that to the next person on the list to say you can stay here until we start getting increase on a transient for a night or two

[1:47:30] are you willing to then bump out, or this is available for transient, if we charge the

[1:47:37] transient more, but if you want it full time, we'll charge you the same rate that we

[1:47:42] would with the transient and park yourself in there. Come on, bring it on. Because if it's

[1:47:48] a list, it's a list and there's a demand. Apparently there's not a demand for the transient

[1:47:53] as much. I've driven by there for the past several weekends and I keep noticing these empty spots

[1:48:00] and I'm wondering what transients, I'm sorry, transients is seasonal like moto rooms and

[1:48:08] are businesses. And they charge more, right? Monthly three, they probably charge more for the

[1:48:16] transient. Yes. Well, see if somebody really wants to get themselves in their full time.

[1:48:22] Yes, there could be a difference in the way the taxes are collected, because on a transient

[1:48:29] you have to collect a different type of leave.

[1:48:31] I don't know whether it's true or not.

[1:48:32] But if they're not transient anymore,

[1:48:34] and we've signed it, we've brought a permanent in where

[1:48:36] they're transient, it's not.

[1:48:38] Then we are not going to have to pay that extra.

[1:48:41] I don't know the license difference.

[1:48:44] I can't, Anna Motel, you can't just say,

[1:48:47] oh, no, I want that as a permanent now.

[1:48:52] You're not supposed to do that.

[1:48:54] Ron, can you look into that, please?

[1:48:55] And have an answer for us at the next week.

[1:49:03] All right, let's move on.

[1:49:05] Okay, it's not a bad idea.

[1:49:07] It's not a bad idea to look at it.

[1:49:08] No, we want to believe that.

[1:49:14] Any other Marina questions?

[1:49:27] No.

[1:49:27] Okay.

[1:49:28] Moving along, Tim.

[1:49:29] Maybe just one more.

[1:49:30] Can we just do it open season on it,

[1:49:33] want a removal and just let anybody with a good

[1:49:36] pallet gun come out here.

[1:49:38] You know, when we started doing that, we got phone calls.

[1:49:42] There's people walking around the park with guns, we did.

[1:49:47] Just kidding, I don't know.

[1:49:52] Yes, monster.

[1:49:54] I shot a five footer out of my tree yesterday.

[1:49:59] A Q mainly.

[1:50:01] Mind you.

[1:50:02] One shot.

[1:50:03] Yes, please.

[1:50:04] Right where balloons.

[1:50:07] OK.

[1:50:09] Moving along to the wastewater fund with the approved increase for the wastewater service

[1:50:20] charge of 6% I went back and adjusted the wastewater service charge revenue so that's

[1:50:25] been increased by $378,000. And then also with the insurance there was also another

[1:50:34] reduction of $59,420 from that budget.

[1:50:38] So we're getting closer to being balanced, not quite, but.

[1:50:43] That increase of 378 was calculated by the anticipation of the six percent.

[1:50:47] Yes.

[1:50:48] Six or five.

[1:50:50] Was it six or five?

[1:50:51] I think it's six.

[1:50:52] Six.

[1:50:53] And then another anticipated next year too.

[1:50:57] Well, I thought that.

[1:50:58] That's the point.

[1:50:58] We'll actually be in the black.

[1:51:00] I hope so.

[1:51:02] Okay.

[1:51:10] Oh, I'm sorry, Dad.

[1:51:12] Oh, Joe, yes, please.

[1:51:15] Thank you.

[1:51:16] Tell us.

[1:51:21] Yes, Joe is my plantation ski.

[1:51:23] I know we've been talking about the increase in that and I know I keep bringing it up,

[1:51:26] but I really wish it was very disappointing in our last study that they really didn't go

[1:51:31] over the EDUs.

[1:51:32] I think there's a lot of money that we could there would be had if we updated our EDU

[1:51:38] And I would like to see that done.

[1:51:42] So we're just going to.

[1:51:44] And so are you thinking, like, go building the building,

[1:51:48] business to business, or look at their water usage?

[1:51:53] I think that the easiest way, in my opinion,

[1:51:56] would be we figured 157 gallons per day is one EDU.

[1:52:02] To get readouts from the aqueduct, and if somebody is using

[1:52:08] 350 gallons a day, they should be not paying one E to U, they should be paying more than that.

[1:52:14] And I think that that would help compensate for the increase that we're going to be paying now as well.

[1:52:21] But how could we prove that they're not using that water to water their grass or fill their pool?

[1:52:28] Because they're actually...

[1:52:30] The paying more on their sewer bill if they're not doing it through a sprinkler meter, right?

[1:52:40] So there are people that actually don't, they're not flushing more down the toilet, but they're using more water to water their grass or fill their pool.

[1:52:50] And with that they were supposed to have the option to put in a different meter.

[1:52:54] the meter that they're going to use to fill their pool or to water their grass.

[1:53:01] So if they don't opt to do that, well, that would be up to them to figure out which way is less expensive for them.

[1:53:09] Well, that doesn't seem, I mean, that they have the option.

[1:53:13] That doesn't sound equitable if we're charging them for an EDU and it's really not an EDU and extra one that doesn't seem fair to charge them somebody for an extra EDU.

[1:53:24] Right, that's where the extra meter comes in.

[1:53:28] The meter, the extra meter.

[1:53:29] Water somebody to go get another meter.

[1:53:33] For somebody who's filling up.

[1:53:34] There's gotta be a dip.

[1:53:35] There's gotta be a way to do it.

[1:53:36] It's a great idea.

[1:53:39] And I think it's a pretty big study,

[1:53:42] but there's gotta be a good, you know,

[1:53:44] there's gotta be, because we're still,

[1:53:46] we still have the elephant in the room too.

[1:53:49] I mean, we still have a lot of those mother-in-law apartments

[1:53:52] that happened in the 70s and 80s and stuff that really are in a single family house that

[1:53:58] are being charged for 180U when there's really two, and I don't really want to call those

[1:54:04] out a lot of times because there really are, where some of our affordable housing is, right?

[1:54:09] And we've never come up with a way to legitimize them which we really should.

[1:54:16] Well, especially like a lot of these vacation rentals where they've got,

[1:54:20] people in there, and it's still a single, a single family residence, so they're only paying

[1:54:28] one, E.D.U. There's different things, but I wish we could do a study on that to find out a

[1:54:33] good way to make it more equitable. Yeah, okay, thank you, Jim. Thank you. It's the right thing to

[1:54:39] do, you're right. Yes, Jim. So when they made that presentation, there was a question asked about

[1:54:48] the EDU's, and Trent had, Trent, Trevor, sorry, Trevor had, had an answer to that, that

[1:54:56] they did look at it, it was a very minimal.

[1:54:59] Actually, I think if I remember, he said that on most single family houses, the number that

[1:55:04] we came up with the EDU, they used much less than that, but yeah, you're right, they did,

[1:55:11] he did give us an answer to that.

[1:55:15] And I can tell you personally, I've done that calculation a bunch of times for residential

[1:55:19] houses and most of the time they are under any of you.

[1:55:23] Oh yeah.

[1:55:25] Yeah.

[1:55:27] Right.

[1:55:30] Any other wastewater questions?

[1:55:33] Yes, no.

[1:55:36] All right.

[1:55:37] Last but not least, we've got storm water.

[1:55:46] The only change I missed putting the assessment consultant charge

[1:55:52] in there. So I've added that for $6,500.

[1:55:57] And that's an annual fee that they do our assessment

[1:56:00] roles for us. Okay.

[1:56:07] And that is it.

[1:56:11] Okay.

[1:56:23] So we've got two resolutions that we need to deal with

[1:56:26] before we walk out here tonight. Yep. And I guess we should start with the resolution that's

[1:56:36] Senator Tabbay and see if there's a motion in a second.

[1:56:45] Do you need to read that back in the record again, John?

[1:56:48] I was going to ask if you want to be too, so it's probably better to do that since it's

[1:56:51] a little.

[1:56:51] I think it's cleaner, too.

[1:56:53] So let's read the resolution for A first.

[1:56:55] That's a resolution of the Village Council of Island Marta Village of Island's Florida,

[1:56:58] many resolution number 26 to Sero7-67 adopting a tentative millage rate for the fiscal

[1:57:03] you're commencing October 1, 2026 through September 30, 2027, pursuant to Section 200.065 floor to statutes and providing for an effective date.

[1:57:13] Thank you. What we normally do in a normal meeting is we have public comment after we start opening up something like this.

[1:57:21] So is there anybody that would like to comment on our tab A on the resolutions? Anybody on line, Marty?

[1:57:31] No, sir. Okay, hearing none and seeing none, public comments, close. What's your pleasure, Council?

[1:57:39] All motion to approve?

[1:57:41] Got a motion to approve, is there second?

[1:57:46] And the motion to approve is at 2.7231.

[1:57:53] That's correct.

[1:57:58] There's a motion on the table, is there second?

[1:58:06] I'm

[1:58:13] going to go in once, go in twice, there's a motion on it.

[1:58:17] Out second.

[1:58:19] There's a motion in a second.

[1:58:21] Marty, what are you calling for?

[1:58:23] Council member Ann Richards?

[1:58:26] Council member Deb Gillis?

[1:58:28] Council member Steve Friedman?

[1:58:32] Yes.

[1:58:33] Vice Mayor Sheren Mahoney?

[1:58:35] Yes.

[1:58:36] And Mayor Don Harden.

[1:58:37] Yes, the motion pass is 5-0.

[1:58:40] All right, will you read us, Tab V, then?

[1:58:43] Tab V is a resolution of the Village Council of Alamada Village

[1:58:45] Violence Florida providing for adoption of the tentative budget,

[1:58:49] other village for the fiscal year 2026-2027,

[1:58:52] commencing on October 1, 2026,

[1:58:54] and ending on September 30, 2027,

[1:58:56] authorizes expenditure of funds established by the budget,

[1:58:59] providing for the budgetary control, providing for personal

[1:59:02] authorization, providing for gifts and grants,

[1:59:04] providing for amendments, providing for income rents,

[1:59:06] providing for issues of checks,

[1:59:07] providing for post audit, providing for

[1:59:09] some ability and providing for an effective date.

[1:59:12] All right.

[1:59:13] We've read that resolution as well.

[1:59:15] Is there any public comment on this resolution on

[1:59:17] Resolution under tab B?

[1:59:21] Marnie, any one online?

[1:59:23] No, sorry.

[1:59:24] Very good.

[1:59:25] Council.

[1:59:26] Sir, a motion to adopt the tentative budget?

[1:59:45] Motion to express?

[1:59:46] Is there a motion to adopt the tentative budget

[1:59:49] So this is going to be your 26th, 27th and it's just been the most.

[1:59:53] Excuse me?

[1:59:54] I'm excited.

[1:59:55] And I'm going to be the most.

[1:59:58] Did you make the most?

[1:59:59] Oh, I'm sorry.

[2:00:00] And in here, you is there a second. Second, okay? There's a motion in a second, morning, we call the roll.

[2:00:07] Council member Ann Richards? Yes. Council member Steve Friedman? Yes.

[2:00:11] Council member Depp Gillis? No.

[2:00:15] Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney? No. And Mayor Don Horton?

[2:00:22] Does it for you one way or the other?

[2:00:29] Yes.

[2:00:31] Yes.

[2:00:32] Good motion passes through, too.

[2:00:36] I have a question.

[2:00:39] Yeah, if you have a question.

[2:00:40] I have a question.

[2:00:43] The middle age is the only one that required a 401 vote or does the budget also.

[2:00:49] Just the middle age.

[2:00:50] And actually technically, it's only required for the final milled rate, which is at the second budget hearing.

[2:00:58] But obviously, if we didn't have for tonight, that would be a bad sign for that.

[2:01:03] But it is only required on the milled, not on the budget.

[2:01:10] Tint it.

[2:01:11] All right, is there anything else we need to do tonight?

[2:01:16] No?

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