[0:02] celebrating being late, huh? [laughter]

[0:07] » I was on

[0:10] >> Thank you for for coming to these

[0:12] meetings. I know there's a lot of them

[0:14] and especially budget time. So, at least

[0:16] we can do is uh give you something to

[0:18] eat.

[0:19] >> I have cheese to share cuz I just wanted

[0:21] you guys

[0:22] meeting

[0:24] around. the cheese sat

[0:28] for a little too long. [laughter]

[0:31] >> Just some housekeeping items as a

[0:34] reminder. These little devices um that

[0:36] are green, those are what are recording.

[0:38] So um if you can just try to uh not

[0:43] touch them,

[0:45] that's all. And uh

[0:48] >> Ambry is doing a great job over there

[0:50] keeping the minutes. So

[0:53] uh with that

[0:55] um we will go ahead and get started

[0:58] and uh next slide.

[1:01] So we always start with our mission

[1:02] statement as everyone's becoming

[1:05] familiar with but uh enhance the present

[1:06] and future quality of community life in

[1:08] Kazville through the delivery of

[1:10] effective efficient and equitable

[1:12] services. It's all about we deliver

[1:15] services as that's our mission city. uh

[1:19] we do that with the employees and I

[1:21] think something that I always try to

[1:24] remember is that the mission that we

[1:26] have to deliver services to residents to

[1:28] enhance quality of life is done with

[1:31] employees and so it's not a uh mutually

[1:34] exclusive type of thing. It's it's we're

[1:36] all in the in the same boat together.

[1:38] And um Marin has a little presentation.

[1:41] I'll turn the time over to her.

[1:44] >> Yay Marin.

[1:48] Hi.

[1:50] Okay, I will be passing around two

[1:53] buckets. Please feel free to take one

[1:55] item from each bucket.

[1:58] The first holds a bunch of different

[2:00] types of M&M's. Regular, mini.

[2:05] Um, I'll do it. Thank you. Regular,

[2:08] mini, peanut. They're all different and

[2:11] everyone probably has a favorite or has

[2:13] even found themselves in the mood for

[2:15] peanut butter with almonds as their

[2:17] usual go-to. But at the end of the day,

[2:19] they're all M&M's. And let's face it,

[2:21] they're all pretty darn tasty. Budgets

[2:24] and city government departments can feel

[2:26] a lot like that. We all have different

[2:28] priorities and focuses and expertise and

[2:32] perspectives, but at the end of the day,

[2:35] we are all M&M's.

[2:37] Unique individuals on the same team with

[2:39] the same goal to enhance the quality of

[2:42] life in Tesville.

[2:44] >> Yes.

[2:45] >> The second bucket holds fidget spinners,

[2:48] specifically gear fidget spinners. These

[2:51] gears represent all the Keysville

[2:53] departments.

[2:55] We all have different roles, but we are

[2:57] all part of the same machine. It takes

[3:00] every single one of us in this room,

[3:02] mayor, council, Jason, department heads,

[3:05] plus every single employee to keep the

[3:07] system of Quesville City moving. May we

[3:10] go into today's budget meeting

[3:11] respecting each other's opinions,

[3:13] keeping an open mind, and being

[3:15] strategic with our decisions while

[3:17] letting the city mission statement guide

[3:19] us. To my fellow department heads, thank

[3:22] you for all of your focus,

[3:24] collaboration, hard work, and wisdom to

[3:26] make this budget what it is. It was very

[3:29] clear how much you care about your

[3:31] employees and the city throughout our

[3:33] discussions. [clears throat] I'm very

[3:35] proud of the hard work we all put into

[3:37] the budget this far, and I'm excited for

[3:40] mayor and council to see what we have

[3:42] prepared. We welcome your feedback and

[3:45] your questions and hope that you feel

[3:47] the care and dedication that was put

[3:49] into this budget. I'm proud to be on a

[3:51] team of every single one of you. And

[3:53] even though I might be peanut butter,

[3:55] I'm still an Eminem like every one of

[3:57] you. Also, I figured if today gets too

[4:00] stressful for anyone, at least we can

[4:02] have a sweet treat and our OWN PERSONAL

[4:04] FIDGET.

[4:08] » [applause]

[4:12] » THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARIA. Um

[4:24] that's awesome. I I just want to thank

[4:27] [clears throat]

[4:28] Marin. Um I've been doing your run

[4:32] >> and Parker for the the hard work they've

[4:34] done. I've been through so many budget

[4:36] part processes over the years and this

[4:39] year has been really cool. Um, not only

[4:43] has there been a ton of hard work by and

[4:48] we really been very creative uh with the

[4:52] approach and I hope you'll see that

[4:53] today when we go through try really hard to look at the needs of the

[4:59] city but also be very conscious and and

[5:03] thoughtful creative on how we can fund

[5:05] the needs that we have without blowing

[5:07] up you know the budget or or doing a

[5:09] major truth in taxation As everyone

[5:12] knows, last year we had a 32% truth and

[5:15] taxation that was approved by the city,

[5:17] but because of some technicalities, new

[5:19] legislation at the state level, many

[5:21] cities throughout the state didn't get

[5:22] their truth and taxation, including

[5:23] Cavesville. So, we kind of started in a

[5:25] hole this year, 32% um what was budgeted

[5:29] this year did not come in. And so,

[5:31] that's kind of our starting point uh

[5:34] just to fund what we've already, you

[5:36] know, are are paying for as a city. But

[5:38] again, I hope you can see today that

[5:40] there's been a lot of thought and

[5:41] creativity in in finding out how to fun

[5:43] things. Um, we're not going to get there

[5:45] all at once, but uh, we have a plan and

[5:47] I think I'm excited that I think we can

[5:50] get where we need to be and and take

[5:53] care of our mission statement. So, next

[5:55] slide.

[5:59] » So, this is where we are today. Uh if

[6:02] all goes well, we'll get through general

[6:04] fund today, personnel, things like that.

[6:06] And then our next budget uh work session

[6:09] wouldn't be until April 17th. That'd be

[6:11] a Friday the 17th, getting everybody a

[6:13] break. Um and that's when we would be

[6:16] talking in April 17th about enterprise

[6:18] funds and things. Uh

[6:21] and then uh as typical May we we get

[6:24] through tenative budgets and then we're

[6:27] looking at a budget hearing um at the

[6:29] first council meeting of June and then a

[6:31] an adoption of the final or truth and

[6:35] taxation um by uh by August. So there is

[6:41] some new state legislation. We're

[6:42] mindful of that as well. It's tweaking

[6:45] some things about how we normal normally

[6:47] do things, but the timeline overall I

[6:48] think is going to stick to this. So,

[6:51] next slide. Oh, any questions so far?

[6:53] >> Great. Next slide.

[6:55] >> Why would you I do have a question. Are

[6:56] we going to get these slides or do we

[6:58] already have

[6:58] >> Oh, um, are those getting printed?

[7:02] >> Oh, you printed them digitally. Will

[7:04] someone send them to to me after? Okay.

[7:07] >> Well, we we can also email it out for

[7:09] sure. Thanks, ma'am. Um, did everyone

[7:12] Did this go completely wrong?

[7:14] >> Yeah, you

[7:15] >> Okay, I'm the last person.

[7:16] >> Yeah, you got to grab it before you move

[7:18] on.

[7:18] >> Oh,

[7:19] >> but

[7:22] is that is that it? I don't need to pass

[7:23] it. You got yours

[7:26] >> or you can just leave it right there.

[7:31] » Thank you.

[7:36] and uh budget objectives. Of course, we

[7:38] have kind of the three-legged stool.

[7:40] Operations, employees, capital. It's all

[7:42] about investing and in taking care of

[7:44] our residents. We do that by ensuring

[7:46] that we have we can meet our expected

[7:48] levels of service. We're training and recruiting, retaining the types of

[7:52] employees we need to to to provide those

[7:54] services and of course stay ahead of the

[7:56] maintenance curve with our capital uh

[7:58] and infrastructure needs. Next slide.

[8:01] So, in the past, we've kind of put

[8:03] personnel at the end. Although personnel

[8:06] is the biggest chunk, the most important

[8:08] piece of the budget. Any city's budget

[8:10] you go and look at, you're going to see

[8:12] 70 80% of that general fund operating

[8:15] budget, personnel. That's because cities

[8:17] are service organizations, they they

[8:19] provide services. And so, we thought

[8:21] we'd start out with personnel, get

[8:23] through the, you know, the meat of of

[8:24] the general fund, and then get into

[8:26] special revenue and other parts of the

[8:28] budget. So with that, uh, next slide,

[8:32] personnel overview.

[8:34] All right, this is the staffing requests

[8:37] 14. Um, as you know, you've seen most of

[8:40] these positions before. This has sort of

[8:41] been the request that departments have

[8:43] made for new staff. Uh, over the last

[8:46] many years, um, for a number of years,

[8:49] we didn't add any new staff despite

[8:52] those requests trying to, you know,

[8:54] shore in the budget. Uh, last year, we

[8:57] added two staff. Um, as you all know,

[8:59] net net uh increase this year. We've got

[9:03] um

[9:05] those needs. I I think I'm going to draw

[9:07] your attention to a couple of things

[9:09] here.

[9:11] We are proposing the top you see a

[9:13] negative one there on utility billing

[9:15] supervisor. That was Holly's position.

[9:17] That was budgeted this year to be

[9:19] filled, but we're not filling it. Um

[9:21] we're we're going to hold on that. We

[9:23] found a way to to manage without that

[9:25] position.

[9:26] um the cash receiving clerk. So, we have

[9:30] two cash receiving clerks up front at

[9:32] the front counter. Um for those of you

[9:34] that don't know that position, that's Kathy Cheryl, just to be clear.

[9:38] Um we're eliminating one of those two

[9:39] positions. We've we've talked with them.

[9:42] Um and that decision's not yet been made

[9:46] which of the two, but uh we are

[9:47] eliminating one of those positions. Um,

[9:51] and then let's see. In terms of adding

[9:54] positions, we are looking at adding a

[9:58] deputy fire chief. That's been something

[9:59] that's been talked about for many years.

[10:01] Um, long overdue. So, these this is what

[10:04] where we get into what that costs. Um,

[10:07] fire department. Again, 184,000 is what

[10:10] you're looking at total cost of of the

[10:13] deputy fire chief. Um we're also looking

[10:16] there's uh the fire department has an

[10:18] administrative assistant Ariel who many

[10:20] of you know extremely qualified capable

[10:23] um young lady and she Ariel is currently

[10:26] working 30 hours a week. She's it's a

[10:28] benefited position. The only change

[10:30] we're looking at there is just bumping

[10:31] that from 30 to 40 hours. So it's it's

[10:34] $25,000

[10:36] um to get those extra 10 hours a week,

[10:38] but much needed and again it's already a

[10:41] benefited position. So, we're not

[10:42] changing it to a, you know, the typical

[10:44] full-time that you'd expect.

[10:48] Administration. Okay, this is where we

[10:50] just talked about eliminating those two

[10:51] positions in administration. Uh, and

[10:54] then it's it's been a long-standing need

[10:58] to get some support in admin, especially

[11:01] for payroll and and human resources. um

[11:04] trying to fill positions, advertise,

[11:06] recruit, and and uh especially on

[11:10] payroll. Right now, we just have Brenda

[11:13] uh Bugmire that just basically runs

[11:16] payroll as a oneman show. And it's

[11:18] extremely hard for her to ever even just

[11:20] take a vacation because payroll's got to

[11:22] be done every two weeks like clockwork.

[11:24] And so [clears throat] having an extra

[11:25] person there that can backfill that can

[11:27] help with that would be extremely useful

[11:29] as well. Um it's been a need that uh

[11:32] Dean talked about for a long long time.

[11:34] Um and we'd like to be able to fill that

[11:37] need by

[11:39] um part of is is eliminating

[11:42] [clears throat] a couple of those

[11:43] positions and then creating a new

[11:44] position that we think would be a better

[11:46] allocation of our resources. Um, I will

[11:49] say that even though the proposal is for

[11:51] a full-time human resource specialist,

[11:55] what we would actually do there is go

[11:57] out and recruit for a part-time uh

[12:00] person. And if we can fill that need

[12:01] with a part-time person, um, then we'll

[12:04] do that. But in case we just don't get

[12:06] the the kind of level of of expertise

[12:09] and and quality that we need in a a

[12:11] part-time staff, we want to be able to

[12:13] go back and then recruit for a full-time

[12:15] if if needed. But we're we're hopeful

[12:17] that we can fill that with a part-time

[12:18] position. So that's that's [snorts] the

[12:21] staffing proposals. Um any questions so

[12:25] far?

[12:27] Okay.

[12:27] >> I do have one question. I remember a

[12:29] conversation where maybe someone from

[12:31] the front counter was going to help with

[12:34] payroll

[12:35] sort of split those responsibilities. Is

[12:38] that not

[12:40] >> um that? So good question.

[12:44] We find that that the level of expertise

[12:47] needed to do HR and pay her is a little

[12:50] bit more than what we think we've got

[12:52] currently.

[12:52] >> Okay.

[12:56] » All right. So, overview of personnel.

[12:59] Um, we've done a couple things. Marin

[13:01] has and and Parker, but uh in the past

[13:04] when we've done our budget projections

[13:06] for personnel, we've we've always

[13:08] budgeted um the cost for health

[13:11] insurance based on every what everyone's

[13:14] eligible for. Everyone in the city is

[13:16] eligible for a family plan. And the

[13:18] majority do have family plans for health

[13:20] insurance, but some don't. And um what

[13:24] we found is sometimes we're a little

[13:26] over um we're a little higher than we

[13:28] need to be in our but in our

[13:29] projections. And so we tried to refine

[13:31] that a little bit and um Miranda and

[13:34] Park have kind of dove in there and uh

[13:38] and and try to budget this year based on

[13:40] more of our actual costs for health

[13:42] insurance. So you'll see some I guess

[13:45] some refinement or some I guess quote

[13:47] unquote savings there.

[13:49] Uh next over the market study. So this

[13:52] is something that's always been a little

[13:54] bit of an enigma I think for a lot of

[13:56] people. You know when we say where do we

[13:58] want to be within the market? What does

[13:59] market even mean? Um, for the last

[14:01] number of years, our our target has been

[14:05] within 5% of the average of the market.

[14:08] Um,

[14:09] but again, what does market mean? And so

[14:11] we we kind of got into this this year

[14:15] and we've defined market as Davis County

[14:18] primarily. There are some positions

[14:20] where you can't use Davis County. For

[14:21] example, power department. There's only

[14:23] one other power department in the

[14:25] county, Bountiful. So, we have to look

[14:27] out. you have to look at Brigham City

[14:28] and others that have power departments

[14:30] outside of Davis to get a reasonable

[14:33] scale of of uh comparators, but for the

[14:36] most part that market study is just

[14:38] looking at Davis County where where do

[14:40] we compare uh among our peers right here

[14:43] in our own footprint. Um now that's not

[14:47] to say that somebody couldn't take a job

[14:49] in Oram or St. George or Logan even. I

[14:51] mean we've seen that happen. It happens

[14:53] all the time. But we feel like this I

[14:55] feel like this is giving us a reasonable

[14:58] um snapshot of where the market is. Um

[15:01] and it's not perfect, but I think at

[15:03] least it's more transparent. And so we

[15:07] again we've we've used our market. We've

[15:09] we are still within the 5% of average.

[15:11] That target has not changed this year.

[15:13] Although I would like over time to

[15:14] continue to to work towards getting us

[15:16] closer to average at least um just to

[15:21] maintain the the quality of employees

[15:23] that our residents expect and service

[15:24] levels that they expect and and it's

[15:26] extremely costly and challenging when we

[15:29] lose people. Um there's a lot of

[15:31] anecdotes that I hear almost every month

[15:33] about the difficulty and challenge of

[15:36] replacing employees who we've lost and

[15:38] we lose employees constantly. Um just in

[15:41] the last couple of months we've lost the

[15:43] number of employees in the water

[15:44] department um police, fire. It's a

[15:48] constant churn and there's a cost to the

[15:50] city in that. Not just a dollar cost of

[15:52] having to go out, recruit, train, all

[15:55] that, but the cost of losing that um

[15:59] institutional knowledge and the training

[16:01] is significant. Um and and it takes more

[16:04] than one person sometimes to to backfill

[16:06] those positions. And even with that,

[16:08] it's not enough because it just again,

[16:09] you can't replace years of experience um

[16:12] just with the next man up. And so that's one of the advantages we feel I

[16:17] feel of of trying to make sure that

[16:19] we're competitive in the market. Um and

[16:22] so all in all, as we look at the

[16:25] adjustments that would be needed to

[16:27] maintain our our our current target that

[16:29] we've had for the last few years of

[16:31] within 5% of average, you're looking at

[16:33] an a market adjustment to salaries of

[16:36] about 2.6 65% on on average.

[16:40] Um next over health insurance. Um so

[16:44] it's been mentioned um you know a lot of

[16:47] cities out there uh provide health

[16:49] insurance uh to their elected officials

[16:52] and we looked at that um and and that's

[16:57] correct. Just looking again if we're if

[16:58] we're looking at uh what does Davis

[17:01] County do? Kind of treating our elected

[17:03] officials the same way we try to we're

[17:05] proposing to treat our employees. What

[17:06] does the market say about elected

[17:08] officials? Um, you know, starting this

[17:11] year, for example, um, we started adding

[17:14] the cost of living adjustment that

[17:15] employees get to council because rather

[17:18] than waiting five years or more to look

[17:21] at council salaries, let's just continue

[17:23] to make sure that we're we're we're

[17:24] keeping up with other cities. And and

[17:27] part of that, I think, is looking at

[17:28] health insurance. Um, so we did a survey

[17:32] um of 10 other cities in Davis County

[17:35] and found that three of those of 10

[17:37] cities that we got information back from

[17:38] do provide health insurance to their to

[17:41] their elected officials and those are

[17:42] the larger cities, Clearfield,

[17:44] Bountiful, North Salt Lake. Um there

[17:46] might be others too, but of the the 10 I

[17:48] heard from, North Salt Lake, Bountiful,

[17:50] and Clearfield, they provide health

[17:52] insurance to their elected officials.

[17:54] So, we l looked at the cost of that

[17:56] would be about $141,000

[17:58] um a year assuming every elected

[18:01] official took the family plan. Um so,

[18:03] that's in this current proposal,

[18:05] proposed budget. Um down in the bottom

[18:09] left corner there, assumptions. So,

[18:11] every year we kind of try to gauge what

[18:13] personnel costs are going to do and we

[18:15] put in some assumptions. Um, one thing

[18:18] we've we've kind of talked about offline

[18:20] a little bit uh with some council

[18:22] members and the mayor is getting away

[18:24] from the idea of debating whether we do

[18:26] a merit or how much of a merit increase

[18:29] we do every year. Um, the merit increase

[18:33] is how employees move through their

[18:35] range. So, when they're hired at, you

[18:36] know, starting salary, employees are

[18:38] trying to gauge new employees,

[18:40] especially how long is it going to take

[18:41] until I top out, get to the max of my

[18:43] range? And every city that you'll see

[18:46] has pretty much a structured uh system

[18:49] of how they get employees, move them

[18:50] through their salary ranges from bottom

[18:52] to top. Um and and I think the word

[18:56] merit has really confused a lot of

[18:59] people like what does that mean? Like if

[19:00] most employees are getting that, is that

[19:02] really a merit? And and you know, we we

[19:04] kind of dug into the history of this

[19:06] like why did we call it a merit in the

[19:07] first place? and and it's a little bit

[19:10] of semantics I guess but the expectation

[19:13] was always that employees would get that 3% every year. Um that doesn't mean

[19:19] that everyone gets it. Um you know we do

[19:23] manage employees some some employees

[19:25] don't get it. Um some employees get

[19:27] managed out of the city if if we have

[19:28] performance problems and that happens

[19:31] more often than you might realize. Um,

[19:32] we keep that kind of confidential

[19:34] because it's personnel, but we are

[19:36] constantly doing performance improvement

[19:38] plans, managing employees and making

[19:39] sure the the performance is where it

[19:41] needs to be. A little bit of history too

[19:43] on the merit increase. So, back in up

[19:46] until about 2017, the city had a step

[19:49] system. Um, meaning you you kind of got

[19:53] these rigid um plan [clears throat]

[19:56] steps to move you through your salary

[19:57] range. And there was a chart that kind

[20:00] of showed step 1 2 3 4 [clears throat]

[20:02] all the way to the top. And on average,

[20:05] um, and correct me if I'm wrong, anybody

[20:07] that knows, but I'm going off my memory

[20:08] now, but I think it was 5% on average

[20:11] that employees were getting as they

[20:12] moved through the range.

[20:14] >> Um,

[20:14] >> four and a half

[20:15] >> four and a half%. Thank you. So 4 and a

[20:18] half%.

[20:19] And then in 2017, we switched over to um

[20:23] what Shane called the merit system. And

[20:25] so that was a 3% annual merit increase

[20:28] that employees would get. Um, and then

[20:31] if employees were kind of stellar, then

[20:33] they could get a 1 and a.5% increase on

[20:36] top of that 3% merit. So in other words,

[20:38] you were still eligible for the 4 1/2%

[20:40] if you were if you were a good employee.

[20:42] Somewhere around COVID, we eliminated

[20:44] that 1 and a.5% bonus and went just to

[20:47] the 3% uh merit. And then you know in

[20:50] recent the last couple of years um even

[20:53] the 3% merit has kind of been again a a

[20:55] debated topic and and kind of confusing

[20:58] on what it means but what we like to do

[21:01] going forward in order to stay

[21:03] competitive with other cities and kind

[21:04] of ensure new recruits and current

[21:06] employees like what is how do I move

[21:08] through the range? We want them to feel

[21:10] that there's a plan that they they can

[21:13] move through the range as long as

[21:14] they're performing. I mean obviously

[21:15] again if there's performance issues we manage those separately but there

[21:19] would be a 3% annual step increase that

[21:22] employees would get um as they are

[21:24] trained as they learn as they grow

[21:26] become more valuable to the city. This is how we would retain them by

[21:30] giving them that 3% step every year

[21:32] until they hit the hit the top and

[21:34] [clears throat] and so it would rather

[21:36] than a structure like this dollar amount

[21:38] is step one this dollar amount is step

[21:39] two etc. we would just say your step is

[21:42] 3% and then you continue to get 3% until

[21:45] you bump, you know, hit the top of the

[21:47] uh the range. Um, other cities do this

[21:49] as well. For example, ORM does a 3% step

[21:52] every year. Um, it's not unusual to just

[21:54] go off a percentage rather than a a set

[21:56] dollar amount. Um, but I think this is

[21:58] also easier to manage as well. somebody

[22:00] comes in, you know, um as a promotion,

[22:03] for example, comes in mid-range

[22:04] somewhere, um they can start getting on

[22:07] that 3% system rather than having to

[22:09] kind of arbitrarily

[22:11] um artificially put them onto a step.

[22:14] It's it's kind of tricky that way. But

[22:16] anyway,

[22:18] this again is an attempt to kind of just

[22:21] set the expectation and clarify what it

[22:24] is and hopefully just set that as

[22:26] something we can not have to debate

[22:28] every year. uh this is part of our

[22:30] salary plan, our our compensation plan

[22:34] and and that allows us to tell new

[22:36] recruits this is our our salary plan. We

[22:38] have a plan that gets you to the top

[22:39] just like every other city does. Um so

[22:43] with that said, is is there any question

[22:45] about moving retitling this to a step? I

[22:48] think that's a more accurate way to

[22:50] describe what it actually is and what

[22:51] was what it was intended to be.

[22:55] >> I think it takes away the angst. So I I

[22:58] think it provides a little bit more

[22:59] predictability.

[23:02] >> So I think it sure is nice for employees

[23:05] to know.

[23:06] >> Yeah. And and most other systems like

[23:08] you said use it. I know the government

[23:09] uses it, the state uses it. It's just a

[23:11] predictable system for people who are in

[23:13] public service.

[23:15] >> That's a great point, Mayor. It is a lot

[23:17] of people from the private sector go,

[23:19] "Wait a minute, you're going to 3% every

[23:20] year." Um, and you know, it is just the

[23:23] way it's set up. As obviously most

[23:25] people know, if you work in a government

[23:28] sector, whether it's federal or local or

[23:30] what, you're probably making a lot less

[23:32] when you come in um than you would in a private. But it's also set up that

[23:38] you can work your way up to a higher

[23:39] salary through that that structured step

[23:41] system. And so that that's again when we

[23:44] look at how we are competitive, how we

[23:46] attract and retain a reasonably good

[23:49] workforce that this is one of the ways

[23:51] that we think will help us and it'll

[23:52] help us avoid um some of those other

[23:55] costs like I said too of losing good

[23:57] employees. We want to we're we're never

[23:59] going to retain 100% of employees.

[24:01] That's not our plan of course, but we

[24:03] want to we want to do a reasonable job

[24:04] of being competitive and this is one of

[24:06] those those uh keys. And I can I just

[24:10] point out that that's in line with the

[24:12] adopted mission statement. The mission

[24:14] statement I think is fantastic

[24:17] and the supplement that was adopted with

[24:19] the mission statement. The first two

[24:21] items in that the goals, the how is the

[24:24] mission statement is accomplished.

[24:27] Number one is seek out and maintain a

[24:29] competent workforce that is courteous

[24:31] and sensitive to the needs of the

[24:33] community. And number two, properly

[24:36] train and equip city personnel to

[24:37] perform safe and productive service. And I I think we've talked about it

[24:44] before. When when the city is

[24:46] successful, when good things happen,

[24:49] when the community is taken care of and the services are efficient and

[24:53] equitable, it's because

[24:56] all of us in this room are supporting

[24:58] the people at the front desks and in the

[25:01] patrol cars and in engines and at parks

[25:03] and on water leaks and power outages.

[25:06] We're supporting them and giving them

[25:09] what they need to do their job. And so

[25:13] I think that's good to point out that

[25:15] this is in line with what we've already

[25:17] established.

[25:19] >> Thanks Josh. Yeah, spot spot on.

[25:22] >> Jason, is anything on the slide up for

[25:24] conversation or we specifically

[25:27] >> All this is up for conversation. Yeah,

[25:29] what we've done here that's a great um

[25:31] question, Council Member Hunt. So what

[25:34] we've done as staff is try to take to

[25:36] their our best you know recommendations

[25:38] what we think is going to put the city

[25:39] in a good spot knowing taking all the

[25:42] feedback we've heard from you know

[25:44] strategic planning meetings with council

[25:46] about what's valuable about our mission

[25:48] statement what we're trying to do to

[25:50] guarantee we're taking care of our

[25:52] residents um and taking feedback from

[25:55] the department has on what they what

[25:56] their needs are and then making kind of

[25:58] the difficult decisions of all right

[25:59] here's what we think we should propose

[26:02] but all of this is up for question, for

[26:04] discussion. Um, anything on this slide

[26:07] or any slide really for that matter is is up for question. And I and I

[26:12] should have started out earlier. I

[26:14] talked in the beginning about a

[26:16] different approach that we're taking.

[26:18] So, in the past, um, we kind of just

[26:21] threw everything at the council and

[26:23] said, "Here's the budget for this

[26:24] department, this department, and kind of

[26:25] went through a lot of line items." What

[26:27] we try to hone in on here is just what's

[26:30] changing. what are the big significant

[26:32] things that you really need to pay

[26:33] attention to because every year the m

[26:36] the large majority of our expenditures

[26:38] are just the same thing every single

[26:39] year. Um they're not changing now. Yes,

[26:41] they're going up by inflation and things

[26:43] like that, but what we try to focus on

[26:45] here are what are the changes to the

[26:47] budget and help guide drive the

[26:50] discussion towards those items so that

[26:52] you can really focus on in on what's

[26:53] probably most important. Um, of course,

[26:56] you'll get the full packet of the budget

[26:58] to to review every line item. um and

[27:01] question. But for this the purpose of

[27:03] these work sessions, we want to really

[27:04] focus the discussions on what's most

[27:06] important, what's changing um and

[27:08] highlight those those items. We feel

[27:10] like that's more transparent, will be

[27:11] more productive in terms of how we

[27:14] discuss the budget.

[27:17] Um any any questions so far about

[27:19] anything other than

[27:20] >> Can I just add that I think in a year

[27:23] like this when we're already struggling,

[27:25] I don't know that we need to add health

[27:27] insurance for council members. Like I'm

[27:29] aware that I can just say no for myself,

[27:30] but I just think $141,000

[27:33] when we've already got like a 32% right

[27:36] 32 deficit is

[27:39] >> is a lot for me. Like I would be a lot

[27:41] more comfortable moving it to a

[27:42] different year or I mean not doing it at

[27:44] all, but moving it to a different year

[27:46] >> and I think it's just been presented as

[27:48] this is what's happening. But yeah.

[27:50] >> Well, I most of us most of us probably

[27:52] don't need it either.

[27:53] >> Yeah. So I don't know. I that I just

[27:55] wanted to put that out there so that it

[27:58] could be up for consideration when

[27:59] moving forward.

[28:00] >> Put something out there. Um I I I think

[28:04] that's what leadership should do. Uh

[28:07] there there's been previous years where

[28:10] department heads have talked about like,

[28:11] hey, if it if it helps uh accomplish the

[28:15] overall mission to have department

[28:18] heads, you know, avoid cost of living or

[28:21] merit increases.

[28:23] uh if it helps get what we need for the

[28:26] people doing the work,

[28:28] >> then let's do it. And and I think Jason

[28:32] uh hit the nail on the head in a

[28:34] previous discussion with me of that is

[28:36] doing the the right thing for the wrong

[28:38] reasons. Um and and I I think that's

[28:42] noble to recognize the difficulty.

[28:46] Um, but as I think we've looked at this,

[28:50] um, I I think some people could try and

[28:53] say, well, are you guys trying to pander

[28:55] to people? It's no, like there's value

[28:59] at each level of the organization and

[29:02] things like benefit and things like pay

[29:05] are how you

[29:07] recognize that value and you retain that

[29:10] value. and and an elected position

[29:14] to me is no different than hey, we have

[29:17] value from the guy that is going to go

[29:19] out and fix the water leak and we have

[29:22] value from experienced council people,

[29:25] for example, that

[29:28] they've been around the block and you

[29:31] know, hey, does a potential benefit,

[29:33] hey, they might already have it, so they

[29:34] don't elect to take it, but does that

[29:36] benefit being there help incentivize

[29:39] other good people to come and

[29:41] participate in in city council and

[29:44] acknowledge the contribution. We know

[29:47] that you guys aren't in it for uh

[29:49] getting rich. Uh and and I think uh as

[29:54] you can work and acknowledge that uh I I

[29:57] don't think it's

[30:00] a negative thing.

[30:04] Nice to see you guys. Uh I did talk to

[30:06] other cities that that do this um said

[30:09] what you know why do you do it? What

[30:11] what's what have you seen as the pros

[30:13] and cons? And and what I heard from

[30:15] those cities is it helps us uh you know

[30:19] attract and retain good elected

[30:21] officials. Uh it's it's hard uh in to to

[30:25] as you guys know you were up late last

[30:28] night and then you know first thing back

[30:29] to here and you've got you got other

[30:31] responsibilities and jobs obviously to

[30:33] take care of but what this has done for

[30:35] some cities is help them attract people

[30:38] that otherwise couldn't afford literally

[30:40] to to take the time off dedicate to to

[30:42] running for council. So there there's

[30:44] that to consider. I know a lot of

[30:46] there's a lot of affluent residents in

[30:47] Cesville, but not everybody can afford,

[30:49] you know, that and and to take that time

[30:51] off. Um, so it is that is one

[30:54] consideration to to think about. But

[30:56] [clears throat] anyway,

[30:57] >> could I uh just real quick? Yeah. I mean

[30:59] I I guess I've always wondered

[31:02] um when folks elect not to take health

[31:06] insurance or not to take a benefit are

[31:09] there ever uh options in lie of I mean

[31:12] I'm just looking at the fact that okay

[31:14] it's not

[31:16] you talking about employees

[31:17] >> yeah not employees

[31:19] >> I have in other places and I'm on Eric's

[31:21] insurance but we don't have a like a

[31:24] payment in li of

[31:27] >> we we offer that for our place Yeah, I

[31:29] mean I just I mean I don't I like I I

[31:31] know that you know maybe in in the grand

[31:34] scheme of things maybe that ends up

[31:36] costing more because we are saving from

[31:38] the people that don't take advantage of

[31:40] the health insurance even though we

[31:41] budget for it,

[31:42] >> right?

[31:43] >> But um but that's you know I look at

[31:47] this like uh I you just divide it by

[31:50] six, right? Divide it by six and then

[31:52] divide it by 12 and it's $1,900 per

[31:54] person.

[31:56] So, you know, I mean, if someone were to

[32:00] say to me like, "Oh, yeah, you can take

[32:02] advantage of the health insurance or you

[32:04] can get an extra $1,000 a month, which

[32:06] would be half of what the city's having

[32:08] to pay for for your health insurance,

[32:12] then that would to me, I mean, I would

[32:16] have an easy choice there. But

[32:17] obviously, I have health insurance being

[32:19] offered through my work. So, uh, that's

[32:24] just something I think to ponder, I

[32:25] guess, maybe, or to think about is this

[32:28] concept because I think your concept is

[32:30] correct that we do want to get good

[32:32] people. Josh made a [clears throat] good

[32:33] point like that. And I do feel like you get good people,

[32:40] you know, you kind of get what you pay

[32:41] for in a lot of ways. And so a lot of

[32:44] public offices end up getting the people

[32:46] that retired or you know just don't I

[32:50] mean in our case it's not what we're

[32:52] dealing with but

[32:55] >> yeah those great great thoughts and and

[32:57] um and Maren has been researching this

[33:00] idea of you know what what would payment

[33:02] and looked like and we've we've pulled

[33:04] in uh they pulled in our our health

[33:07] insurance broker GBS to to

[33:09] [clears throat] run numbers and give us

[33:11] advice And so we are looking at that.

[33:14] Like like you point out, council member

[33:16] uh Adams, it it's a little tricky

[33:19] because with our employees in

[33:20] particular, a lot of them aren't taking

[33:22] that insurance now. So, if we start

[33:24] offering something, then we're out of

[33:26] the gate paying something we're not

[33:28] already paying. And we're not sure like

[33:30] what is it what's that, you know, right

[33:33] number to to incentivize employees to to

[33:36] maybe take their spouse's insurance or

[33:38] some other insurance that they might

[33:39] have available to them and and then save

[33:41] the city money because in the end goal,

[33:42] that would be the the goal of it to save

[33:44] the city money. If we could, you know,

[33:46] get some employees off of our insurance,

[33:48] that would certainly be a big win. Um

[33:52] but uh and and I and I used that I did

[33:55] this in one of my cities um way back. Uh

[33:58] we offered I think it was $800 a year.

[34:02] Not not a lot of money. Um but we kind

[34:05] of did a lot of surveying and research

[34:07] and thought that was the right number

[34:09] and we ended up kind of breaking even

[34:11] there. I think there was one person that

[34:13] decided to take the 800 bucks and take

[34:15] their spouse's insurance and then we

[34:16] ended up paying a whole bunch of other

[34:18] people that weren't getting that were

[34:19] already off the insurance. You know, now

[34:22] they were getting 800 bucks. So, it's a little bit of a guessing game as

[34:26] to what that right number is.

[34:28] >> I'm not necessarily suggesting at this point in time that you look at

[34:32] changing the whole employee structure,

[34:36] but and I do feel like council

[34:39] compensation is It's easy to say that's

[34:43] separate from the, you know, from

[34:46] employees.

[34:48] And so my thought is that if if there is

[34:52] some heartache about the idea of of

[34:54] adding 141 to the budget that that could

[34:58] be an option. If you are interested

[35:00] truly in offering a service, I don't

[35:03] know that I don't know personally if

[35:06] Nate or or Abby or Mike or you know I

[35:10] really don't know if if somebody would

[35:12] actually take advantage of it. They

[35:14] might,

[35:15] you know, we don't know how much

[35:18] >> I don't know all of my council members

[35:20] personal finances and how much they're

[35:22] currently paying for health insurance

[35:24] and what situation they're in. And so

[35:27] that benefit could very well help a lot

[35:30] of people. So I I I don't you know Abby

[35:32] I while I or Councilwoman Hunt while I

[35:35] respect what you're saying there

[35:38] I I I I wouldn't want us to just dismiss

[35:40] it without actually giving Council

[35:43] Member Jackson and others the

[35:45] opportunity to say like no actually

[35:49] I could really use health insurance. But

[35:51] if we want to save some money and not

[35:53] budget that much, we could do a poll

[35:56] amongst and say like, hey, who would

[35:58] actually just take the in lie of and

[36:01] then all of a sudden it's 70 grand or

[36:03] it's much less.

[36:06] It's a thought,

[36:08] >> something to think about.

[36:09] >> Right. Great discussion. Um so

[36:12] [clears throat] kind of going back to so

[36:14] under assumptions

[36:16] um going to just step calling it a step

[36:20] now. what what it truly is and is

[36:22] intended. Uh the cola every year we look

[36:24] at um in the past we've tried to for

[36:28] most years in the past we've kind of

[36:30] gone off of the Utah retirement system

[36:32] URS's inflationary number. Um but we

[36:35] haven't followed that in some years when

[36:37] it's been especially high. We also

[36:39] [snorts] look at other things you know

[36:40] like uh social security and and

[36:43] inflation. Um what what

[36:47] pretty much every city does cola in some

[36:48] way or another. Some cities um mix it in

[36:51] with their overall. Some cities do it

[36:54] every other year. Some cities just do it

[36:55] straight across the board cola every

[36:57] year to keep up uh rather than doing big

[36:59] leaps and bounds every other year. But

[37:02] uh this year uh looking at what the

[37:06] inflationary numbers are. For example, I

[37:08] think is 2.6%, social security is 2.8%.

[37:12] Is that right? So the 2.5% seems to be

[37:15] right about in line with maybe a little

[37:17] bit less even. But um this is just a

[37:20] number that kind of keeps us

[37:21] competitive. So uh every city's

[37:23] adjusting their salary ranges pretty

[37:26] much every year. Um and this just helps

[37:30] us maintain that position in the market.

[37:32] So if our position right now is within

[37:34] 5% of average, if we're not adjusting um

[37:38] for inflation, we're going to start

[37:40] slipping down. And so again, this just

[37:42] helps us maintain that that level. Uh it

[37:45] also ensures that employees that are

[37:46] kind of topped out of their range,

[37:48] they're not getting any other increase

[37:50] to their salary other than what might

[37:51] come through a cola. So um and then the

[37:56] another assumption that we've built into

[37:58] the the proposed budget as it is right

[38:00] now is health insurance costs increasing

[38:03] 9.5%. We did get our rate renewal back

[38:07] from the U of Health and that they came

[38:09] in at 9, sorry, 9 and a half%. We asked

[38:13] our broker to go back and market our

[38:15] plan to other carriers, which they're

[38:17] doing right now and we'll get renewed

[38:19] rates [snorts] from other carriers as

[38:21] well as maybe be able to negotiate with

[38:23] U of more now that we're looking at

[38:25] going to other carriers. We do this all

[38:27] the time uh to try to make sure we're

[38:29] getting the best rate possible. So, we

[38:31] expect that we'll get get that rate down

[38:33] a little bit, but right now it's

[38:35] proposed at 9 and a half percent. That's

[38:37] the built-in assumption. And what by the

[38:38] way, that is 9 and a half% is not

[38:40] terrible.

[38:41] >> I [clears throat] think the market trend

[38:42] right now we were told was what we're in

[38:44] 10 and a half% or something.

[38:45] >> I know like one of the tech schools 11

[38:48] and a half%.

[38:49] >> Yeah.

[38:49] >> And they were thinking that they were

[38:50] getting a pretty good deal.

[38:52] >> So, yeah, 10 11% is kind of the trend

[38:54] right now industrywide. So, we're we're not shocked with the 9 and a half%

[38:59] but we're also optimistic. Our claims um

[39:03] we marketed last year and actually got a

[39:06] little bit better rate from another

[39:08] carrier, but we opted to stay with U of

[39:11] because we knew our claims were likely

[39:12] to go way down and they have gone down

[39:15] over the last year. So, that puts us in

[39:17] a better position to get even better

[39:19] renewals or better um competitive rates

[39:22] from other carriers, we think. And so

[39:24] we'll see what those rates are and if if

[39:26] it's the right year to jump ship and go

[39:27] to PHP or another carrier, um we'll look

[39:30] at those and our goal is to make sure

[39:32] we're we're getting obviously the best

[39:34] rate possible and with a good quality

[39:36] insurance program.

[39:39] Um next one over there, retirement. Um

[39:42] so with our employer contributions going

[39:45] down a little bit, half a percent that's

[39:47] because investments have performed well

[39:49] over the last year. So that's a positive

[39:51] thing. 12% went up 15%

[39:53] >> and then our um

[39:58] retention plan um that that's been

[40:01] brought up in the past. We're still

[40:03] doing some research on different ways

[40:04] that I know uh council member Adams I

[40:06] think you brought up one time like

[40:08] should we be looking at a way to do a

[40:10] retention plan. So um we've been

[40:13] studying that researching it and we're

[40:14] continuing that not quite ready to to

[40:16] present anything right now.

[40:18] Sorry, next slide.

[40:21] So that's general fund uh special

[40:23] revenue funds. All right. Uh ramp fund.

[40:27] So

[40:29] uh the the annual ramp uh revenue we're

[40:33] getting is is 568,000.

[40:35] Some of the big ticket items that we're

[40:38] expecting and cold actually I should

[40:40] probably just turn this over to you. Do

[40:41] you want to speak to it?

[40:42] >> Sure. So the ramp board hasn't been

[40:44] officially yet. uh three members

[40:46] hopefully will be appointed uh at the

[40:49] next council meeting.

[40:50] >> Yes.

[40:51] >> Um so we can meet uh we plan to meet the

[40:53] second week of April. Uh the rampant

[40:55] board basically takes all the

[40:57] applications that are submitted and uh

[40:59] reviews them and then recommends funding

[41:02] to um to the city council for approval.

[41:07] The 568,000 is what we've historically

[41:09] been receiving. And so that's what we

[41:12] project for expenditures

[41:14] already allocated by previous city

[41:16] councils is uh money down for the I call

[41:20] money down but money allocated for the Kazel field house that we're

[41:24] partnering with the school district on.

[41:25] So that's already kind of taken off the

[41:27] top. Um, so what's left after that is

[41:29] basically 200,000 to for the committee

[41:32] to

[41:35] appropriate or recommend to the city

[41:36] council. So

[41:39] one of the major applications this year

[41:41] is for part of a skate park that you've

[41:44] all been aware of. Uh, and then the

[41:46] other one what we call scholarships, but

[41:48] it's actually, you know, there might be

[41:49] outside entities. [clears throat] Mercy

[41:52] housing typically applies from person

[41:54] after school programming. Um, that the

[41:57] board was awarded to in previous years.

[41:59] So those scholarships are are that kind

[42:01] of grant programming for kind of outside

[42:05] entities [snorts]

[42:06] within Kisville

[42:08] that uh fulfill the mission of grant

[42:11] recreation arts museum and parks. And so

[42:13] that's kind of what uh the ramp fund

[42:16] will look like this year. That 200,000

[42:19] may not break exactly how we're

[42:21] assuming, but that's kind of the initial

[42:24] projection. And for the skatepark,

[42:26] that's just one time, right? That's not

[42:29] an ongoing commitment or is it

[42:30] >> It's not an ongoing commitment. It's a

[42:31] onetime fund. So, if they want if the

[42:33] parks department wants to do additions,

[42:36] they would have to reapply next year for [snorts] more funding. So, that's

[42:40] what they've applied for uh this year.

[42:46] There's also money being applied for out

[42:48] of it for skate parks. 150,000 doesn't

[42:50] get you very far um

[42:53] in today's construction world. So, um,

[42:56] but that's kind of what, uh, ramp looks

[42:59] like this year.

[43:02] >> Question.

[43:03] >> Yeah, [clears throat]

[43:04] >> I don't see anything there for the&m.

[43:08] >> So, that that's part of the scholarship.

[43:10] So when I say when we say a college

[43:12] scholarship, so like this year there's

[43:14] been applications from uh Mercy Housing,

[43:17] from Creekide Elementary, from the

[43:20] Historic Preservation Commission, uh for

[43:22] Lon Stewart um stuff. And so all of that

[43:26] is for the sake of slide, it just lumped

[43:29] into that quote scholarship. Maybe

[43:32] scholarship isn't the right word to use

[43:34] uh just in the uh other applications,

[43:37] but there are art components that have

[43:39] applied for this year. So,

[43:41] >> if there's something that includes the

[43:42] anium, it'd be nice to show.

[43:44] >> Yeah, that's fair.

[43:50] » Great.

[43:51] >> Um actually, Cole, do you want to talk

[43:53] briefly about the cemetery?

[43:55] >> Oh,

[43:56] perpetual care. Uh it's just an ongoing

[43:59] out of our perpetual care piece. So,

[44:00] with every

[44:03] burial or internal within the city. Part

[44:05] of the fee that there's a perpetual care

[44:07] fee that gets paid which is kind of like

[44:09] it says for in perpetuity and so we that

[44:13] money is held in reserve for you know

[44:15] ongoing perpetual care needs and one of

[44:17] the needs coming up this year is our uh

[44:20] perimeter fence. We started this last

[44:22] year. Um our just due to elements, our

[44:26] the grout in our mix that was used many

[44:30] years ago is is disintegrating. So we

[44:31] have some brick columns that are

[44:33] starting to um fall apart. And so that's

[44:37] just refurbishing the exterior fence,

[44:39] rewelding some of the panels, and then a

[44:42] mason to fix the uh the caps and the

[44:46] brick columns that surround them. And

[44:49] that should be this 30 should finish

[44:51] that uh that that refurbishment project.

[44:56] >> When do you see that project finishing

[44:57] up? Cole

[44:58] >> the cemetery fence this year that this

[45:01] would finish it.

[45:04] >> So and like I said that that perpetual

[45:06] ceremony is is a restricted room. It can

[45:08] only be used for perpetual care. Um we

[45:10] can't use it for like you know new

[45:13] expansion or just for perpetual care

[45:16] needs of the cemetery. And so that's why

[45:21] it's an existing [snorts] just keeping

[45:23] up. So

[45:28] » I can't remember if you mentioned it,

[45:30] Cole. Uh with the skate park, the

[45:32] 150,000 from ramp, that's part of it.

[45:34] There's also other funding sources

[45:36] that'll contribute from park impact

[45:37] fees.

[45:38] >> So we're asking for some for park impact

[45:39] fees to use some of our park impact fee

[45:41] to um

[45:43] >> We'll see that on the next slide.

[45:45] >> Oh, that's right. Yeah. Thanks, Mar.

[45:47] Um, perfect. And then, uh, the road

[45:50] utility fund. Uh, Josh, you probably

[45:51] better to speak to this. [clears throat]

[45:53] Really, it's just wrapping up 200 North.

[45:56] Uh, the the the increase there of

[45:59] 352,000

[46:01] uh, for operating. In the past, we've

[46:04] kind of pulled operating expenses out of

[46:07] general fund, but um, there's really no

[46:09] reason for that. We think if it's road

[46:11] expense, it should be coming out of road

[46:12] utilities. So there, that's why that's

[46:14] going up a little bit. just a shifting

[46:16] of where we're funding that from and um

[46:19] and then just we're not doing as much um

[46:23] maintenance just mostly Josh you want to

[46:25] speak to that just kind of a bandwidth

[46:26] thing it's it's one thing to throw money

[46:27] at a project but if you don't have the

[46:29] staff to you know pull that off

[46:31] >> the the 200 north project um has become

[46:37] uh fairly labor intensive uh because of

[46:41] utility conflicts that we're seeing on almost a daily bas basis. Um, so you

[46:48] know, as police and fire can attest,

[46:50] we're hitting them up uh just about

[46:53] every other day about, hey, we've got to

[46:55] shut this down. We've got to terminate

[46:58] this.

[47:00] So, just from a a staff perspective,

[47:03] trying to pull on another project

[47:06] uh in addition to 200 North and then

[47:09] trying to prep for the potential for the

[47:11] Angel Street expansion

[47:13] um that we we pushed off preventing

[47:18] maintenance costs this year.

[47:19] >> When they going to start digging again?

[47:22] >> On 200 North. Uh

[47:25] we haven't really stopped.

[47:27] >> Okay. We're still going. Yeah,

[47:29] >> we just finished up the 8 in water line.

[47:32] Uh started this week on the 16inch water

[47:35] line.

[47:36] >> You see anywhere where we can anticipate

[47:38] even more gas lines being hit?

[47:41] >> Yeah%.

[47:42] >> Yeah, I know.

[47:43] >> Yeah, 100%.

[47:44] >> Thank you.

[47:45] >> Just like confirm that.

[47:48] >> Yeah.

[47:49] >> Hey, at least they're good. that that much I can't tell you is we'll

[47:53] continue to have utility hits and

[47:55] [clears throat]

[47:56] >> and most of those to the contractor's

[47:58] credit have been you know like we hit a

[48:02] boulder while we were digging through in

[48:04] that boulder

[48:05] >> shoved a gas line out of the way or

[48:07] >> they're not actually

[48:08] >> USI yeah USIC didn't come out and mark

[48:12] the gas and

[48:14] they dug right through it things like

[48:16] that so

[48:19] yeah that's the only thing we can

[48:20] guarantee is that it it'll continue to

[48:22] be

[48:23] >> like I said, at least they're good to

[48:24] work with.

[48:25] >> But but we're anticipating that project

[48:27] uh wrapping up in in November and at

[48:31] least substantially complete.

[48:34] >> That is definitely been a gift that

[48:35] keeps on

[48:36] >> Yeah, for sure. [laughter]

[48:39] >> Yeah. But it'll be nice to have out of

[48:42] their way.

[48:42] >> It'd be nice for Cody not to send a road

[48:44] closure.

[48:45] >> Yeah.

[48:45] That would be wonderful.

[48:48] Seth Seth has it on automatic like

[48:50] decline every time we send an email

[48:52] over. Nothing makes

[48:54] >> I just cut and paste my thank you. Thank

[48:56] you.

[48:58] [laughter]

[49:00] >> Perfect.

[49:01] >> Thanks.

[49:03] >> And then we've got uh 16,000 plugged in

[49:06] for uh doing an updated uh

[49:09] transportation utility fee study. Um,

[49:12] [clears throat] as everyone knows, we

[49:14] that's a great source of revenue for us

[49:16] that we've been using for a number of

[49:17] years now. And

[49:18] >> I think the biggest thing is uh even

[49:21] aside from the potential of legislation

[49:23] that's discussed every year, um, our our

[49:27] transportation utility fee was

[49:28] established in 2018. And so the the

[49:31] prices of

[49:34] >> or the rate of that is 2018based

[49:38] and we're now

[49:40] >> one to 400% increases in our cost. So

[49:44] just want to reanalyze that 400

[49:48] >> and it was good to see this year that a

[49:51] bill was passed on the tough and

[49:53] >> it so it's good where we

[49:55] >> it only took him eight years to prove

[49:57] that you could do it. Right.

[50:00] Um hopefully that's done now and we can

[50:03] move on um with any legislative issues.

[50:06] But at any [clears throat] rate um any

[50:10] other questions on these ones? So next

[50:11] slide.

[50:13] Okay. RDA uh

[50:16] and oh darn Linda slipped out. Um so

[50:19] really we we budget money every year out

[50:22] of RDA uh for potential um expenditures.

[50:27] in this case. Um, you know, we might the

[50:30] CRA hopefully will be coming back and

[50:32] that'll take some money to to work with

[50:34] Z public finance and others to to to put

[50:37] that together. So, we've got some money

[50:40] plugged in for now on on that. Uh, our

[50:43] fund balance is up to 1.2 million uh

[50:45] with RDA and there are specific things

[50:48] that you can use that for and you can't.

[50:50] So,

[50:51] >> um,

[50:53] >> go for

[50:55] >> I would actually like to see you offer

[50:58] that to small businesses for loans at a

[51:01] certain percent at least maybe 500,000

[51:04] of it because that's what it's all

[51:07] about.

[51:07] >> Loans to do what? Just resurface

[51:10] buildings paint. we some has somebody

[51:12] that can come with a proforma and wants

[51:15] to go on Main Street or something but

[51:17] they don't have the money to quite get

[51:18] going that we can loan them the money at

[51:20] a lower interest rate to help them

[51:22] because it will help enhance and so if

[51:25] we do have a budget which I don't see us

[51:28] using for anything this year let's maybe

[51:32] offer that out and try to make some

[51:33] money back from it

[51:36] I do anticipate just Uh,

[51:41] this is way high level, but I do

[51:44] anticipate that the the hotel that comes

[51:48] in is probably going to approach us with

[51:50] some requests would be my guess.

[51:53] >> Uh, for whatever it might be, tax or

[51:57] some type of [snorts] assistance. I

[51:59] guess that's fairly standard for them to

[52:03] request of cities for the first little

[52:05] bit. But [clears throat] um just kind of

[52:07] an FYI.

[52:09] >> Jason, can you explain to me what this

[52:11] the RDA expense? That's how much we're

[52:13] planning on spending this year.

[52:15] >> That's how much we have.

[52:16] >> The

[52:16] >> that's how much we have from the

[52:18] previous

[52:18] >> the the fund balance.

[52:20] >> No, no, that that's 70k. That's

[52:21] >> Oh, the 70k. That's just what we plugged

[52:23] in right now for potential expenditures

[52:26] for next year. Um we budget most years

[52:29] to to spend some money out of RDA for,

[52:31] you know, potential consultants like putting together the CRA. Uh, and a

[52:36] lot of years, most years maybe, we don't

[52:38] really spend spend it, but should we put

[52:41] the CRA back on and which I I'd like to

[52:44] do, um, then that's going to cost a

[52:46] little bit of money to to, you know, get

[52:49] a consultant on board and

[52:51] >> but so where does the 70k come from? Is

[52:53] that just coming from our general fund

[52:54] >> out of the fund balance? Yeah, out of

[52:56] the RDA fund. Yeah, good question.

[52:58] >> Wait, the RDA fund like

[53:00] >> No, no, there's some um property tax

[53:02] specific for the RDA that we get. It's

[53:04] about 130,000.

[53:05] >> Thanks, M.

[53:06] >> Yeah.

[53:06] >> To to which RDA

[53:08] >> Wait,

[53:08] >> the current one we have?

[53:09] >> Yeah, the current one.

[53:10] >> Okay. The current the one that's over

[53:11] there.

[53:11] >> Yeah, we get revenue every year.

[53:13] >> Okay.

[53:13] >> Yeah.

[53:14] >> Okay. Thanks.

[53:14] >> And so we just budget 70,000 of expenses

[53:18] each year.

[53:20] >> And that's restricted to what we can use

[53:21] it for.

[53:23] >> I mean, we can actually use that for

[53:24] Melinda when she's working on it, right?

[53:26] You can actually

[53:28] pay Melinda the portion of some things

[53:30] when she's working on it, or can you

[53:32] not? Uh, I don't know. I I there I know

[53:37] there's when we when we use it, we

[53:38] there's a very specific list of things

[53:40] you can and can't, but um

[53:43] >> I I do know too that's as a lot of you

[53:46] been very involved with the legislative

[53:48] policy committee and the youth, the

[53:50] league. There's a lot of discussion

[53:52] about uh tip um legislation and and what

[53:57] you can and can't use that for and how it gets tracked and things like

[54:00] that. So, that might continue to be on

[54:02] the radar. [snorts] Um, as for now,

[54:05] we've got a little bit of flexibility on

[54:08] how we use that money. And, um, you

[54:10] know, sometimes things will pop up. A

[54:12] couple years ago, we had an opportunity

[54:13] to try to acquire some, um, land for

[54:17] parking downtown. And unfortunately,

[54:18] they didn't take us up on it. But it's

[54:21] nice that we have that money available

[54:22] when opportunities pop up because

[54:24] sometimes out of nowhere maybe, you

[54:26] know, a developer needs something that's

[54:28] really a good investment for the city

[54:31] and and if it's a a reasonable use of

[54:34] RDA funds, it's nice to have those

[54:36] available as well. Um, but we'd love to

[54:38] explore the CRA again. I I'd like to

[54:40] see, you know, us continue to work

[54:43] towards that and and maybe I don't know

[54:46] if any of you have been to Vernal in the

[54:47] last couple years, but holy cow, they

[54:49] have turned that downtown into an

[54:51] amazing destination. They've done a lot

[54:53] of small business loans to help them do

[54:56] facade improvements and they've used

[54:58] their um their tiff money for that. So,

[55:02] I think there will be opportunities to

[55:03] continue to to work on stuff like that

[55:06] and help our businesses.

[55:08] um NBA fund. So this is where another

[55:11] area that credit to Marin really got

[55:13] creative. Um so our municipal building

[55:16] authority is just how we pay for the

[55:18] bonds on the police station and the city

[55:20] hall. And as everyone knows, I think the bonds are going to be retired by

[55:24] 2031 for the police station, 2034 for

[55:26] city hall. Um those are significant

[55:29] payments every year. But what we

[55:32] realized is we've got a fund balance in those um in those in the MVA fund and

[55:39] we're like why why do we carry a fund

[55:41] balance that should be used to to pay

[55:43] off the bonds and so I think the reason

[55:45] why we've kept that in there is because

[55:47] in a year where a general fund is

[55:49] especially tight it might be nice to be

[55:51] able to um to pull money from that fund

[55:55] balance which is exactly what we're

[55:56] doing right now. you know, we we

[55:58] realized general fund is very tight this

[56:00] year and we're already in a hole with

[56:02] the the truth and taxation the last

[56:04] year. So, we thought this is a great

[56:06] opportunity to pull from some of that

[56:08] MBA fund balance and also we've got a

[56:10] fund balance in the the public safety

[56:12] impact fee. Um, and so that three gosh,

[56:17] my eyes are so bad. 353

[56:20] um

[56:21] is a is a very reasonable and typical

[56:25] use for for that impact fee to pay off

[56:27] those police station bonds. So, um,

[56:30] that's what we're proposing to do. And

[56:31] because, uh, we're able to do that, pull

[56:35] from some of those fund balances and use

[56:37] some of those impact fees, we're able to

[56:38] lower our general fund transfer by quite

[56:40] a bit. And so, um,

[56:43] >> so did I hear you right? You said that

[56:45] we could use that MPA fund from public

[56:49] safety to pay off the bond on the light

[56:51] on the post or police station.

[56:54] >> That the impact fee?

[56:56] >> No. So,

[56:56] >> pay towards it or pay it off?

[56:58] >> The public safety impact fee uh the

[57:02] impact fee study specifically talks

[57:04] about the police station bond. So, any

[57:06] of the public safety impact fees can be

[57:08] paid

[57:09] >> towards that. towards this police.

[57:12] There's not enough to pay it off right

[57:14] now.

[57:14] >> Okay. But a chunk of it. Yes.

[57:16] >> Okay. Great.

[57:18] >> Okay.

[57:18] >> Yep.

[57:19] >> Jason, do you want to MBA stands for?

[57:21] >> Municipal Building Authority. It's just

[57:24] the the the fund that we use to pay off

[57:26] the the bonds on the buildings. Um

[57:29] specifically this building and police

[57:32] right now.

[57:34] >> So yeah, good question. MBA stands for

[57:36] Masters of Business Administration.

[57:39] >> [laughter]

[57:41] » graduate degrees.

[57:42] >> All right. We're paying for degrees

[57:44] [laughter]

[57:45] from general fund

[57:47] general funds. What you're saying?

[57:49] >> Yeah. So, we don't Yeah. Typically, we

[57:51] budget a big transfer from general fund,

[57:53] but now

[57:54] >> and then we won't have to. Okay. Great.

[57:55] Brilliant.

[57:57] >> Thanks.

[57:59] >> Um All right. That service

[58:04] » if I'm missing anybody's hands or not

[58:05] like um like

[58:06] >> Sorry, we're not even raising them. cuz

[58:08] I

[58:10] >> everyone's blurry. I think I'm going to

[58:11] get my eyes fixed like in a couple

[58:13] months. There's

[58:13] >> Oh, it's life. Let's

[58:14] >> tell it.

[58:17] >> Um I've got a complicated situation.

[58:19] Lifeanging.

[58:20] >> Oh, it is life changing. [laughter]

[58:22] >> I I was born with something that they

[58:24] have yet to cure. So, um hopefully

[58:26] [laughter]

[58:27] >> hopefully

[58:30] um so dev service on the end there. So,

[58:32] use of fund balance. Same concept there.

[58:34] We're able to use some of our we got a a

[58:36] fund balance we've been carrying in our

[58:37] debt service one. Why have a fund

[58:39] balance? Like let's put that to work.

[58:41] >> Yeah.

[58:41] >> Um so again, we're we're able to lower

[58:43] some of our transfers from the general

[58:46] fund as a result of using some of that

[58:48] fund balance. Um

[58:50] any anything else you'd add, Mir any of

[58:52] those?

[58:54] >> No, that's only about half of the fund

[58:55] balance. So

[58:56] >> I mean it's not depleting it.

[58:59] >> It's not depleting it. There's really no

[59:02] rhyme or reason to have it anyways, but

[59:03] so we could use it all if you guys want,

[59:05] but we just started with half.

[59:07] >> I kind of I kind of like using a little

[59:09] bit this year, maybe a little bit in the

[59:11] future just because it eases us into

[59:14] um

[59:16] [clears throat] you know, if we lower

[59:18] the general fund transfer all in one

[59:20] thing this year, it's going to be a

[59:21] little more painful next year. Um

[59:25] potentially the way I I see it. So maybe

[59:27] we can ease into it, lower it a little

[59:29] bit this year because it's a big year

[59:30] with what we're already looking at with

[59:32] truth and taxation. But yeah, Min's

[59:35] absolutely right. Like we could use it's

[59:37] all there for us to use. Um and

[59:43] thanks. All right. So capital projects

[59:45] fund. Um the top one there is the long

[59:51] discussed operation center. Um, most of

[59:54] the operation center is going to be paid

[59:56] for out of the enterprise fund because

[59:57] it's it's power, it's water, utility

[1:00:00] fees that would pay for that, but

[1:00:02] there's a little bit that does get used

[1:00:03] by parks and and some of the general

[1:00:05] fund uh departments. And so, this

[1:00:09] represents some of that cost. There's

[1:00:11] really two ways we can look at operation

[1:00:13] center. Um, we'd like to pull the

[1:00:16] trigger and just start working on that.

[1:00:17] It's it's only going to get more

[1:00:18] expensive. We found a much more cost-e

[1:00:21] effective way to handle the needs right

[1:00:22] now than what was proposed a couple of

[1:00:24] years ago when we were looking at close

[1:00:26] to $40 million project. But um the 966

[1:00:31] 966,000 that represents if we go ahead

[1:00:33] and pull the trigger on doing the whole

[1:00:34] thing. Um which entails the operation

[1:00:37] center expansion.

[1:00:39] Um also we've got asphalt that's 30

[1:00:42] years old now that needs to be replaced.

[1:00:45] and and the one that's the most

[1:00:47] important and I should probably turn

[1:00:48] this over to

[1:00:50] Cole and Moren to talk about, but it's

[1:00:53] that fuel island. Um, you might recall

[1:00:55] we were approached by the state uh last

[1:00:58] year that we have no choice but to bring

[1:01:01] that fuel island up to code or up to

[1:01:05] state um regulations standards. So, we

[1:01:08] have to do that. Um, I believe, correct

[1:01:11] me if I'm wrong, we have to do the

[1:01:13] deadline's technically July of this

[1:01:15] year, but we understand that there's a

[1:01:19] >> they'll give us a six-month extension.

[1:01:21] So, otherwise, if we don't do anything,

[1:01:23] they'll cut off, they'll red tag our

[1:01:25] fuel, and so our fuel won't be able to

[1:01:27] be delivered to the operation center.

[1:01:29] So, effectively, we will be cut off from

[1:01:32] all fuel access at the off center um

[1:01:36] because of our

[1:01:37] >> So, everybody comes. Yeah. Yeah. Fire

[1:01:40] station

[1:01:42] get real busy

[1:01:43] at the fire station.

[1:01:46] >> Fire station isn't quite as big. So

[1:01:49] more often

[1:01:50] >> have a refueling truck there and it's

[1:01:52] just not convenient to travel to the

[1:01:54] motors and track.

[1:01:55] >> Yeah. Generally some parks in mainly bus

[1:01:59] and police.

[1:02:02] That's that's the one we have to do.

[1:02:05] >> Just like the government

[1:02:07] otherwise um we get red tag by the state

[1:02:12] of Medicare. So

[1:02:13] >> it basically boils down to our pipe pipe

[1:02:16] is underground

[1:02:19] protection because it has no protection

[1:02:26] » there's no work on replacing any gadget.

[1:02:29] So

[1:02:29] >> is there issue with it safely or

[1:02:31] environmental [clears throat]

[1:02:32] like

[1:02:32] >> environmental the gas leaking?

[1:02:34] >> I mean not that it matters. I'm just

[1:02:35] curious

[1:02:35] >> gas leaking in the ground. It can't be

[1:02:38] and the pipes are you know 30 35 years

[1:02:41] old and so the tank itself is getting

[1:02:43] water in the outer shell. [snorts]

[1:02:46] So

[1:02:47] >> reuse that tank

[1:02:48] >> but the main driver is the underground

[1:02:51] fuel line. So

[1:02:54] >> then

[1:02:56] >> I think we'll we'll get into the

[1:02:58] operations center probably a little bit

[1:02:59] more right M we're cold next time

[1:03:01] because we'll be talking about

[1:03:02] enterprise fund and that's that's where

[1:03:04] the bulk of

[1:03:06] >> that's going to come out of but we did

[1:03:07] want to highlight that some of that is

[1:03:09] going to be coming out of general fund.

[1:03:11] So

[1:03:11] >> no capital projects

[1:03:12] >> or sorry thank you capital projects. Um

[1:03:17] >> so Jason what does the or mean? Um um it

[1:03:21] just means okay so we can either do the

[1:03:24] operation center the whole thing which

[1:03:26] includes the fuel island or we can just

[1:03:28] do the fuel island only but we have to

[1:03:30] do at least the fuel island because of

[1:03:32] what we were just got

[1:03:34] >> what was just describing

[1:03:35] >> sure like column

[1:03:37] >> good question

[1:03:38] >> like I'll choose the 60 that's

[1:03:39] definitely no um

[1:03:41] >> so 966 or 60,000 right

[1:03:44] >> that's our choice

[1:03:44] >> either

[1:03:46] [laughter] well

[1:03:47] >> got it

[1:03:48] >> although keep in mind that the 960 66 is

[1:03:50] just going to go up and up and up every

[1:03:51] year if we don't tackle that operation

[1:03:53] center. So,

[1:03:53] >> okay.

[1:03:54] >> Have a longterm view when you're looking

[1:03:56] at the

[1:03:56] >> the first one like just an example our asphalt out there. Josh is the

[1:04:01] asphalt expert, but it's

[1:04:04] >> sturdy

[1:04:06] with no treatments on it. So, it's just

[1:04:09] granted it's at the center and you know

[1:04:11] it's not public but we have a lot of

[1:04:14] >> Yeah. But it's wear and tear on trucks

[1:04:16] and tires [snorts] and people, right?

[1:04:20] And Cole, do you want to talk about

[1:04:21] those other two? West Davis corridor and

[1:04:22] the other improvements.

[1:04:24] >> Sure. The West Davis corridor is the

[1:04:25] money that we're getting from uh UDOT

[1:04:28] for the West Davis for Trail. Currently have RFQ out

[1:04:33] right now. Um came this month to select

[1:04:36] the landscape architect to work with us.

[1:04:38] I'm cutting up some designs.

[1:04:40] >> Excuse [clears throat] me.

[1:04:41] >> So that's 630,000. Uh once we have a

[1:04:44] plan in place, we submit that to UD for

[1:04:46] approval. They'll give us a a first

[1:04:49] chall of 315,000

[1:04:52] that we can then use to start our trans

[1:04:54] then the remaining 13 or 315,000 from UD

[1:04:57] do is a reimbursement meaning we spend

[1:04:59] it UD do reimburse reimbures us. So on

[1:05:03] that project we're only project we're

[1:05:05] only spending the 630,000 which is what

[1:05:08] UD do um has awarded us for that. So and

[1:05:12] that project has to be completed by

[1:05:14] September of 2027.

[1:05:16] Um, and so, uh, once we get an architect

[1:05:20] on board, we'll come with some concept

[1:05:22] ideas, um, some spot improvements that

[1:05:26] we can do, whether it's at trail heads,

[1:05:27] intersection or the onoff ramps, um,

[1:05:30] some way finding signage, um, things

[1:05:33] like that. So, it's yet to be determined

[1:05:35] what that actually will look like, but,

[1:05:38] uh, that's what that is. And then the

[1:05:41] improvements, that's uh some park impact

[1:05:44] fee. Uh skate park, add another 200,000

[1:05:47] to what we're asking out of ramp just to

[1:05:51] give the skatepark a little more

[1:05:52] sustenance, make it a little bit bigger.

[1:05:55] And then crossing it just to continue to

[1:05:58] improve. Um it's a HOA park that we

[1:06:01] inherited and so everything in that park

[1:06:03] is

[1:06:04] >> from the HOA. So some of it doesn't meet

[1:06:07] kind of what we do as our standards. So,

[1:06:10] um that's just a nice stab of just doing

[1:06:13] some small improvements to that park.

[1:06:16] With that park with 950 North and

[1:06:18] Sunset, we do have that currently with

[1:06:22] blue line design for master planning

[1:06:25] street and overall park improvements uh

[1:06:29] down the road.

[1:06:32] Just the trash. to just shred our parts,

[1:06:35] removing our old wooden ones and going

[1:06:37] with the Disney ones we're putting in

[1:06:39] that have branded cable city branding

[1:06:42] and things like that. So

[1:06:45] trash are expensive.

[1:06:47] >> Yeah,

[1:06:48] >> just 50 grand. Holy cow.

[1:06:51] >> I wish I thought we were expensive.

[1:06:52] >> We're talking about trash cans. Trash.

[1:06:55] >> Yeah, they're the the ones that hold the

[1:06:57] rubber liners in.

[1:06:59] >> We have to put those in cuz the rubber

[1:07:00] ones just roll all over. So

[1:07:05] That also includes park ranches that

[1:07:07] we're creating as well. So

[1:07:14] » good job.

[1:07:15] >> Do we want to take a break or keep

[1:07:17] going?

[1:07:18] >> Yeah. Um, we got 10:13. So

[1:07:22] >> how's everyone keep going?

[1:07:24] >> Yes, please.

[1:07:25] >> Yeah. Push through.

[1:07:26] >> Energy up, man. Let's get

[1:07:28] >> This is This is good information.

[1:07:30] >> Wait. And I like the energy of

[1:07:33] >> He wants a He wants a monster.

[1:07:36] >> Okay. What did he just say?

[1:07:40] >> Give me a break.

[1:07:41] >> He looks like he's completely

[1:07:43] >> Wait. feels like he's stretch

[1:07:48] like it's like

[1:07:50] >> let's go to council MEETING

[1:07:54] [laughter]

[1:07:58] down

[1:08:03] » Mike loves hugs like

[1:08:06] >> you know those pictures that they post

[1:08:08] Mike's like this the whole time

[1:08:10] >> like literally standing like this arms

[1:08:12] bleed to the

[1:08:14] He doesn't make contact with any living.

[1:08:16] >> Do not touch me.

[1:08:19] >> Nope. He does not.

[1:08:20] >> He's so funny.

[1:08:24] » This is actually really good. And I wish

[1:08:25] you would have just started bluff

[1:08:27] >> with what?

[1:08:29] >> Bluff.

[1:08:30] >> Bottom line up front.

[1:08:31] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:08:32] >> I'm not reading a 38 page email. Give me

[1:08:34] two sentences.

[1:08:34] >> I know this is going to be good news.

[1:08:36] That's why I'm excited to get to it.

[1:08:38] >> But I think I'm the only one that knows

[1:08:40] this.

[1:08:40] >> This is one of the best. Good news.

[1:15:15] Are you

[1:15:32] speaking like

[1:15:41] [music]

[1:15:43] » Okay, I think we'll go ahead and get

[1:15:46] back to uh back to business.

[1:15:52] » [snorts]

[1:15:58] » Oh, please.

[1:15:59] >> Okay, this is what maybe we should have

[1:16:01] started with. This is the bottom line up

[1:16:03] front, but not up front. [laughter]

[1:16:06] >> Bottom line up middle.

[1:16:07] >> Bottom line. Get it.

[1:16:08] >> Bottom line at the end.

[1:16:10] >> Middle.

[1:16:13] >> Uh, all right. So, total gap. We started

[1:16:17] here with a $3.5 million gap and

[1:16:19] actually was worse before we

[1:16:22] >> cut a lot of things out of the budget

[1:16:23] but um so we we've talked about the

[1:16:28] $1,795,000

[1:16:30] that was the truth and taxation amount

[1:16:33] that we would have we should have

[1:16:34] brought in to the city this current year

[1:16:37] as we talked about didn't happen. Um, so

[1:16:40] we kind of started out in that $1.7

[1:16:42] million hole to begin with just to fund

[1:16:44] current ongoing expenditures. That

[1:16:47] includes everything from just

[1:16:49] inflationary costs of what we've already

[1:16:52] got going on in the city plus the new

[1:16:54] sergeant position and the deputy city

[1:16:56] attorney that we added and of course the

[1:16:59] um cost for the the gymnasium.

[1:17:02] So,

[1:17:04] and on top of that $1.7 million hole, we

[1:17:07] had an additional deficit of 1.7 million

[1:17:10] from other just

[1:17:12] >> like we said, we're get there's

[1:17:14] continuing inflationary costs, new

[1:17:16] requests, al those sorts of things. So,

[1:17:19] this is where we got creative and and

[1:17:22] this is kind of just the tip of the

[1:17:23] iceberg. There was there was so much

[1:17:24] work done by Marin and Parker to kind of

[1:17:27] figure things out and and look at every

[1:17:29] line item of the budget, find ways to

[1:17:31] fund things, but we were able to reduce

[1:17:34] that gap um

[1:17:37] by by taking some fund balance out of a

[1:17:40] few of those funds like we talked about.

[1:17:42] MBA fund balance was there, debt service

[1:17:44] fund. Um then we're also proposing that

[1:17:48] we take out a million dollars out of our

[1:17:49] general fund reserves. Um that's what we

[1:17:52] had proposed last year as well as a

[1:17:54] million dollars out. Um and so we're

[1:17:57] proposing that as a baseline. We take a

[1:17:58] million out and as a baseline we started

[1:18:00] looking at the 32% getting that back

[1:18:02] what we should have gotten and on top of

[1:18:05] pulling out like I said MBA debt service

[1:18:07] and public safety impact fees. So where

[1:18:11] that puts us is a proposed truth and

[1:18:13] taxation of 33.95%.

[1:18:16] That that would fund everything that

[1:18:18] we've just thrown at you. Um,

[1:18:22] [snorts]

[1:18:23] so not not too bad considering we're

[1:18:25] getting quite a bit out of out of that.

[1:18:27] We're getting the new position, the

[1:18:28] deputy chief position

[1:18:31] and uh the the HR specialist and all the

[1:18:34] other

[1:18:34] >> No, we haven't shown them yet.

[1:18:36] >> Inflation costs,

[1:18:37] >> but that is not and and knowing that we

[1:18:40] did not get any taxes last year. Our

[1:18:42] taxes actually went down a little bit

[1:18:44] last year.

[1:18:44] >> Correct.

[1:18:45] >> Right.

[1:18:45] >> Just so that people know, this is not a

[1:18:47] double tax year situation. We're not We

[1:18:50] didn't get anything last year,

[1:18:52] >> right? Yeah. Great point. LA and that's

[1:18:54] something that's going to be a big

[1:18:55] challenge with just making sure we're

[1:18:57] communicating to the public. You're

[1:19:00] there was a lot of talk about raising

[1:19:01] taxes last year for the different

[1:19:03] projects, the gymnasium, everything

[1:19:04] else. But in reality, what happened, of

[1:19:07] course, was our tax rate actually went

[1:19:10] down last year a little bit. So, as far

[1:19:13] as revenue goes, um on the the box there

[1:19:16] to the right,

[1:19:19] um

[1:19:20] so that we're budgeting conservatively,

[1:19:23] a 2% sales tax is what we've kind of

[1:19:27] seen as the trend for the last what 5

[1:19:28] years we're in. So, we feel like that's

[1:19:32] probably appropriate to just continue to

[1:19:33] budget 2%. Um,

[1:19:37] and then, uh, using more fund balance.

[1:19:42] We've also got some new revenue sources

[1:19:44] that that are coming in. And thanks to

[1:19:46] Chief Ericson, uh, the wildland fire I

[1:19:48] don't know, Chief, you want to kind of

[1:19:49] talk about those two underlined items,

[1:19:51] the wildland fire revenue,

[1:19:54] >> the fire inspections. It it's actually

[1:19:56] surprising and and when I show these and

[1:19:58] you'll see it on the the 2025 rollup

[1:20:01] that I do next council meeting on the

[1:20:04] 19th, but uh it's interesting just for a

[1:20:07] twoe deployment after we pay overtime

[1:20:10] and we pay the individual wages, we end

[1:20:13] up making about 35 grand.

[1:20:16] >> Yeah, it is. And and they only allow uh

[1:20:20] the system only allows you to go out two

[1:20:22] weeks at a time. Now, if we stayed four

[1:20:24] weeks, we can go send another crew to

[1:20:25] replace them. But yeah, to have and we

[1:20:28] don't do the we would actually make less

[1:20:31] money sending a brush truck. So, we send

[1:20:33] a paramedic ambulance and it's it's been

[1:20:35] very good for us.

[1:20:36] >> And the guys make money and

[1:20:38] >> Yeah. They make money

[1:20:39] >> and the city

[1:20:40] >> and everybody's happy.

[1:20:41] >> Yeah.

[1:20:41] >> To be honest with you.

[1:20:42] >> So smart

[1:20:43] >> because we end up getting about 78 bucks

[1:20:46] an hour for a paramedic.

[1:20:48] >> That's great.

[1:20:48] >> And they're they work 16our days is what

[1:20:51] they can put down on. So

[1:20:52] >> and that's what you kept that older

[1:20:54] ambulance for.

[1:20:55] >> That's why we kept the older ambulance.

[1:20:56] That is correct.

[1:20:57] >> So smart and good experience for them

[1:20:58] too.

[1:20:59] >> But we've had to take some money our

[1:21:01] initial year and not to just keep going

[1:21:03] on about this. Sorry. But uh that

[1:21:05] initial year we had to buy sleeping

[1:21:07] bags. Then we had to buy some tents and

[1:21:09] stuff like that. So that's all factored

[1:21:11] in when I show you this slide. Uh so we

[1:21:14] don't have any of those overhead costs

[1:21:16] anymore, right? So, and then we used

[1:21:18] that money to buy a life pack for that

[1:21:21] air pack because you have to have one

[1:21:22] and life packs aren't cheap as you well

[1:21:24] know. Um, and then we just put a slide

[1:21:27] system in. We didn't buy this $63,000

[1:21:31] auto loader system. We already had a

[1:21:33] gurnie and we spent 9 grand and just

[1:21:35] bought a load system in there.

[1:21:37] >> So, in case they had to transport. So,

[1:21:39] we saved a lot of money just doing that.

[1:21:41] >> That's fantastic.

[1:21:42] >> But, it's paid for itself as far as

[1:21:45] being tall. No, that no, we still are

[1:21:48] being recorded,

[1:21:51] » but it's been good. Thank you. And then

[1:21:53] we haven't been charged on that last one

[1:21:54] there. We haven't been charging

[1:21:56] inspection fees. Our inspection fee has

[1:21:58] been there. We haven't changed anything.

[1:21:59] It's been here since even before my

[1:22:01] time. Uh so now we're just enforcing it.

[1:22:04] That's all.

[1:22:04] >> And that's that's based on how many

[1:22:06] businesses that we inspect. So

[1:22:10] >> that's normal.

[1:22:12] >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Totally. we we get

[1:22:14] charged. And

[1:22:15] >> I'm just going to throw this in there

[1:22:16] from a facility standpoint. I do really

[1:22:19] appreciate Chief and uh

[1:22:22] >> Sean Sean coming through and doing these

[1:22:24] in inspections of our own facilities

[1:22:26] because it does make a difference for us

[1:22:29] just having someone coming in and

[1:22:31] inspecting our own facilities regularly.

[1:22:34] So, just a shout out to that. Well,

[1:22:36] thank you. Cuz Sean has really he's

[1:22:39] really helped out the past year and a

[1:22:41] half, you know, hiring him part time. He

[1:22:43] knows what he's doing. He's, you know,

[1:22:45] he's a captain out of Hill and he's he

[1:22:48] just he does a great job.

[1:22:50] >> He's been very helpful for us.

[1:22:52] >> Not good. Good.

[1:22:55] >> An angry man half the time.

[1:22:56] >> Uh, next slide. [clears throat]

[1:22:58] >> So, what does that do to us in terms of

[1:23:01] compared to other cities? We're

[1:23:03] currently have been for many years the

[1:23:05] third lowest tax rate in Davis County of

[1:23:08] the 15 cities. If this uh 33.95%

[1:23:13] increase were to go into effect, it

[1:23:15] would put us at the eighth of 15 cities

[1:23:18] between Syracuse and Centerville. And

[1:23:20] this is assuming that none of these

[1:23:22] other cities adjust

[1:23:24] >> yeah their their rates. So we expect

[1:23:26] that a lot of cities are going to be

[1:23:27] adjusting their rates. So even with the

[1:23:29] 33.95%

[1:23:30] we still may be lower than what it's

[1:23:32] showing um right there. But just to kind

[1:23:35] of give you a little bit of reference

[1:23:37] how we would be doing

[1:23:40] and uh all right items being funded.

[1:23:43] This is you know we talked about using

[1:23:45] about a million dollars of fund balance.

[1:23:46] This is the these are the major projects

[1:23:48] that we're talking about using fund

[1:23:49] balance for. We try to stick to one-time

[1:23:51] type projects um because you can't rely

[1:23:54] on fund balance to fund ongoing things

[1:23:56] obviously um and I might just turn that

[1:23:59] over to department heads to kind of talk

[1:24:00] about these different projects. So,

[1:24:04] um, maybe starting with government

[1:24:06] buildings up in the upper left.

[1:24:07] >> All right. So, government buildings are

[1:24:09] two items there. The fire department, we

[1:24:11] have a a stuckco issue on the would be

[1:24:14] the souththeast corner of the building

[1:24:17] over there by the generator area. For a

[1:24:20] lot of years, we have issues with the

[1:24:21] roof and runoff. It would actually run

[1:24:24] down the wall. Uh, the stuckco is

[1:24:27] actually starting to uh, well, it has

[1:24:28] been for a while. Uh, but that's

[1:24:30] repairing the stucco on that whole north

[1:24:33] or southeast corner of the building over

[1:24:35] in the generator area. Um, anticipating

[1:24:38] that once we tear that off, we may find some

[1:24:43] >> potentially some more issues that we

[1:24:45] maybe weren't aware of. So, um, we have

[1:24:48] fixed the roof. The roof up there now

[1:24:49] has a gutter, so it pulls the rain away

[1:24:52] from from the actual side of the

[1:24:54] building. Uh, and then the HVAC

[1:24:56] replacement and upgrades. It's just a

[1:24:58] continual thing with just the size of

[1:25:01] our facilities is uh HVAC upgrades. Uh,

[1:25:05] I've got two units over in the

[1:25:06] recreation building. Um, one of them

[1:25:08] they're twinning off each other. One of

[1:25:11] the twins is uh not working.

[1:25:14] Unfortunately, this winter we had a mild

[1:25:17] winter, so we didn't need the heat that

[1:25:19] it normally would would pump out. So, we

[1:25:22] have that. I have one unit at the fire

[1:25:24] station that uh we're watching and then

[1:25:27] there's one more unit of the operation

[1:25:28] center. It's a RTU rooftop unit that uh

[1:25:32] is

[1:25:34] original to the building 1992.

[1:25:37] So it's uh so those are the the two big

[1:25:41] items from government buildings.

[1:25:44] So

[1:25:46] >> Chief, you want to talk about the camera

[1:25:48] for the bay there?

[1:25:49] >> Yeah, I didn't know it was going to be

[1:25:50] on here. We were just going to take it

[1:25:51] from our our uh

[1:25:53] >> Oh, that's right.

[1:25:54] >> our building. So,

[1:25:56] >> that's right. I forgot that.

[1:25:57] >> I don't need to do anymore. Yeah.

[1:25:58] >> Perfect. So, that might actually be

[1:26:00] going away.

[1:26:00] >> We we don't have any cameras in our bays

[1:26:02] on the south side.

[1:26:03] >> Oh, you don't?

[1:26:04] >> No. So, we're going to put cameras on

[1:26:06] the south side. And then we we do have

[1:26:08] quite a few accidents uh out out in

[1:26:11] front of our building and stuff. So, it'

[1:26:13] be nice to have a camera out there.

[1:26:14] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:26:15] >> That's all.

[1:26:16] >> Plus, don't you get like uh sometimes

[1:26:18] people walking in there?

[1:26:19] >> Oh, no. high school kids. It's awesome.

[1:26:23] >> We want them to be safe.

[1:26:25] >> Yes, we do.

[1:26:26] >> That's right. [snorts]

[1:26:28] >> Uh [clears throat] information systems.

[1:26:30] Uh Ryan, you want to talk about those?

[1:26:33] >> Yeah. So, um I'm proposing that we that

[1:26:36] we install a

[1:26:39] or we renovate this AV system in this

[1:26:41] room. Um we have quite a few technical

[1:26:44] problems

[1:26:46] um with the system.

[1:26:48] It's uh it's been problematic for

[1:26:51] several years actually since we

[1:26:53] installed the system. It was installed

[1:26:54] with um it was installed in 2021 and we

[1:26:59] just just at the time that the city was

[1:27:01] built or the the the city hall was was

[1:27:05] uh renovated and at the time they put in

[1:27:09] um near end of life equipment. And so in

[1:27:13] order for us to fix this some of the

[1:27:16] problems we're having, technical

[1:27:17] problems, it's going to um require us to

[1:27:20] replace that that backend equipment. So

[1:27:23] it's it's rather expensive, but we'd

[1:27:25] like to improve some things, too. We

[1:27:27] want to drop the the mic the speakers so

[1:27:30] they're pendant mics. Um there's a lot

[1:27:33] of reverb in this in this space and we

[1:27:35] have lots of complaints with um audio.

[1:27:38] So, um,

[1:27:40] >> perfect.

[1:27:41] >> That's that's that's basically there.

[1:27:44] >> So, just a

[1:27:46] >> question. I know we spent a lot of money

[1:27:48] when we did this addition to put all

[1:27:50] this special audio and video equipment

[1:27:52] in this room.

[1:27:53] >> Yeah.

[1:27:54] >> We've already spent Is there no

[1:27:55] warranty, no nothing? No guarantee. I

[1:27:59] mean, we spend a lot of extra money. You had to spend a lot of extra money

[1:28:03] for this room. So, so it's an

[1:28:05] interesting topic and discussion, but we actually went out to the to the

[1:28:10] vendor and um we asked them to fix it.

[1:28:13] Um they did do some things. We

[1:28:15] [clears throat] we we did upgrade these

[1:28:18] mics here. So, the mics we're using

[1:28:20] today um but there was some problems

[1:28:22] with these these mics at the DIS and we

[1:28:25] replaced those. Um,

[1:28:29] we um

[1:28:32] we we uh need to

[1:28:36] [snorts]

[1:28:37] I lost a train of thought where I was

[1:28:38] going, but um we did spend a lot of

[1:28:41] money. We we actually went out to um

[1:28:44] pull audio and had them reprogram this

[1:28:46] whole system because there was there was

[1:28:48] a lot of problems and and problems with

[1:28:51] bugs in the system. And so they came in,

[1:28:53] they reprogrammed it. um they spent six

[1:28:56] months doing it and at the end it really

[1:28:57] didn't fix it and we told them that we

[1:29:00] weren't going to pay them for the work.

[1:29:02] And so so we've we put a lot of effort

[1:29:06] into trying to fix it, but uh the real

[1:29:09] fixes are hardware and having another

[1:29:12] vendor coming in and and reprogramming

[1:29:14] it. So it it it's unfortunate that the

[1:29:18] way that it was happening.

[1:29:20] >> Is that 115 the premier system or is

[1:29:22] that just sort of an average system?

[1:29:24] Good, better, best.

[1:29:26] >> This would just be an average system.

[1:29:28] Yeah.

[1:29:28] >> For 115,000.

[1:29:30] >> Yeah.

[1:29:31] >> Wow.

[1:29:32] >> Yeah. 115. Um [sighs] the cost of this

[1:29:35] equipment is going up all the time.

[1:29:37] >> Yeah. When we put it in it was around

[1:29:39] 40,000. Um but they put in inferior

[1:29:43] equipment essentially. So,

[1:29:45] >> and we can't go back at all. There's

[1:29:46] it's been too long.

[1:29:48] >> No, we we've made efforts to do that,

[1:29:51] but but uh it's not going to happen.

[1:29:53] >> They put in what was the spec.

[1:29:56] >> Yeah.

[1:29:57] >> Project. So,

[1:29:58] >> I thought we uh

[1:30:01] we upgraded.

[1:30:02] >> Yeah.

[1:30:02] Okay. That's frustrating.

[1:30:05] >> But we know you've done your research.

[1:30:07] I'm not I'm not disparaging you. I'm

[1:30:09] just saying that's a frustrating

[1:30:10] situation.

[1:30:11] >> Yeah. [clears throat] It's it's uh it's

[1:30:13] really frustrating. We've had um

[1:30:16] >> many council meetings. You guys don't

[1:30:17] see this because we fix it prior, but

[1:30:20] >> um we're constantly having to reboot

[1:30:22] this system

[1:30:23] >> and so pretty much every meeting we're

[1:30:25] rebooting it um in order for it to work.

[1:30:28] But we've had many meetings where it

[1:30:30] just doesn't work or or it's problematic

[1:30:32] at the beginning and we have to come in

[1:30:34] and fix it. So, um it wasn't too long

[1:30:36] ago that we had a planning commission

[1:30:38] meeting where um the the meeting started

[1:30:41] and um it just wasn't recording and so

[1:30:46] they had to wait until I could get here.

[1:30:49] >> It was, you know, 30 minutes later

[1:30:50] before they started the meeting. So, um

[1:30:54] I think we've seen over the last year or

[1:30:57] two that the system is continuing to

[1:30:59] degrade and and so there's some concern,

[1:31:03] you know, whether or not we're going to

[1:31:04] continue to have more and more problems

[1:31:06] with it. So,

[1:31:07] >> um

[1:31:08] >> Okay. So,

[1:31:10] uh, I I think that this is this is

[1:31:14] probably

[1:31:16] like the highest estimate of cost and

[1:31:19] I'm hoping to, um, refine this as we get

[1:31:23] closer, as we get approval to move

[1:31:25] forward,

[1:31:25] >> be fixed this calendar year potentially

[1:31:28] if you

[1:31:29] >> in 2027 calendar year. Yeah, we would

[1:31:32] fix it. Try. Yeah, we try to fix it. So,

[1:31:38] Okay.

[1:31:39] >> No, she's saying before December.

[1:31:42] >> That's what she means.

[1:31:43] >> She means before December. She means

[1:31:44] before.

[1:31:46] >> I I realize this fiscal year starts in

[1:31:48] July, but this year would it be fixed

[1:31:51] this calendar year 2020?

[1:31:53] >> Um, we would try to fix it. Yeah.

[1:31:54] Between Yeah, we would start July.

[1:31:56] >> Okay.

[1:31:56] >> And then

[1:31:57] >> Thank you for clarification, everyone.

[1:32:01] >> Perfect. uh you want to touch on any

[1:32:04] software upgrade for the fuel system.

[1:32:06] >> So in conjunction with the uh the fuel

[1:32:10] um the capital fund fuel island

[1:32:13] um

[1:32:15] the fleet departments asked that we upgrade their software for the

[1:32:22] fuel system. Um it currently integrates

[1:32:25] with um our uh elements software which

[1:32:30] is the fuel or which is the fleets

[1:32:35] um management software. And because the

[1:32:38] current fuel master software is is

[1:32:41] really old, it's having a hard time

[1:32:43] interfacing with uh the the the

[1:32:46] management software. Um but this would

[1:32:50] improve

[1:32:51] you know the overall

[1:32:53] management of the fuel system. So

[1:32:58] that's the request from fleet.

[1:33:02] >> Is that also because citrix is going

[1:33:04] away too?

[1:33:06] >> Citrix Citrix is going away too. Yeah.

[1:33:08] >> So doesn't fuel master live on Citrix?

[1:33:10] >> Yes it does. Yeah. Yeah. So actually

[1:33:12] yeah we're in the process of getting rid

[1:33:14] of Citrix. So, Citrix does have a cost

[1:33:16] and that would Yeah, it would it

[1:33:19] wouldn't like replace the cost, but it

[1:33:22] would just be something we would remove

[1:33:24] from how we're running it. Yeah, this this software is all web- based.

[1:33:30] So, it would just just run, you know, in

[1:33:32] a on a web browser essentially. We would

[1:33:35] have a backend server where it all

[1:33:36] connects to and um but the guts of the

[1:33:39] pedestal would be updated in this as a

[1:33:41] part of this. So, yeah.

[1:33:44] I think it's a good time to do it. If

[1:33:46] we're going to do, you know, an upgrade

[1:33:48] to the fuel system, we're going to do an

[1:33:51] upgrade to the fuel island, then we

[1:33:54] might as well just make an upgrade to

[1:33:56] the software and bring it up to a

[1:33:57] standard. So, um, you want me to move to

[1:34:01] the next one?

[1:34:02] >> Yeah.

[1:34:02] >> So, the UPS battery backup for the

[1:34:04] police station. Um, we've had a couple

[1:34:07] battery backups fail in the last year,

[1:34:10] um, at the police station.

[1:34:12] um we replaced those with batteries that we had in other buildings and so we

[1:34:18] kind of scabbed uh together a fix. Um

[1:34:21] but these batteries were installed in

[1:34:23] 2018 when the building was put together.

[1:34:26] So they just need to be replaced. Um

[1:34:29] yeah,

[1:34:32] I think

[1:34:34] >> what is a UPS battery backup?

[1:34:37] So the

[1:34:39] >> the the police station currently has a

[1:34:41] generator.

[1:34:43] >> Okay.

[1:34:43] >> And the generator supplies power when

[1:34:45] the power goes out to the police

[1:34:46] station.

[1:34:47] >> Yep.

[1:34:48] >> And but the time that it takes the

[1:34:50] generator to kick on and the and and the

[1:34:52] time the power goes out and that's what the battery backup protects.

[1:34:57] It

[1:34:58] >> it protects those few minutes between

[1:35:00] the generator and the and the power

[1:35:02] going out. That way I know.

[1:35:06] Okay, thank you. No more questions.

[1:35:09] >> Thanks.

[1:35:09] >> Apparently, Seth is not part of this

[1:35:11] team.

[1:35:12] >> No more questions. [laughter]

[1:35:13] >> Seth installed the audio visual.

[1:35:16] >> Oh, that's what the audio visual system.

[1:35:19] [laughter]

[1:35:21] >> Thank you, Sam.

[1:35:21] >> I was going to use this when it was my

[1:35:23] turn.

[1:35:25] >> Good demonstration.

[1:35:27] >> Yeah. No questions for police.

[1:35:30] [laughter]

[1:35:31] >> Correct.

[1:35:34] Mission accomplished. Uh actually, Cole,

[1:35:37] do you want to try uh talk about these

[1:35:39] ones?

[1:35:40] >> Parks parks uh Barnes tower. In this

[1:35:43] current budget year, we were uh we got

[1:35:45] some money to do some starting our tower

[1:35:48] upgrade tower. The concrete upgrades to

[1:35:50] our Barnes Tower. Barnes Park was built

[1:35:53] originally up in 1990 in the early

[1:35:57] 199091.

[1:35:58] Um with the tens of thousand people, we

[1:36:00] have a lot of tripping hazard. We got a

[1:36:02] lot of settling and movement in our

[1:36:03] concrete on the upper deck, which is

[1:36:05] what we call the tower up there at

[1:36:07] Barnes. So, we we did some things this

[1:36:09] year uh to alleviate some of our most

[1:36:12] concerning trip hazards, but we

[1:36:15] continually have just a lot of issues

[1:36:16] with uneven concrete and with the tens

[1:36:20] of thousands of people are out there

[1:36:21] weekly, um we're just it's an, you know,

[1:36:24] an accident waiting to happen. Um so

[1:36:27] that request is just to continue to move

[1:36:30] forward with um replacing some concrete

[1:36:34] tripping hazards. We thought the money

[1:36:36] we had this year would go a little bit

[1:36:37] farther than it than it did, but just

[1:36:40] the way the costs are, it didn't go

[1:36:42] quite as far as we um were hoping. We

[1:36:45] knew that this was going to be a

[1:36:46] multi-year project anyways. Um so that's

[1:36:49] what that money would be for. Barnes

[1:36:53] Park Pavilion restroom shingles and rock

[1:36:55] replacement. The Barnes Park pavilion is

[1:36:58] pavilion one. The restroom shingles are

[1:37:00] on the main restroom. The old restroom

[1:37:03] that was built 1986. Um just the

[1:37:06] asphalt's degraded. Um

[1:37:09] it's just in time for new new shingles

[1:37:11] and new roof um on those facilities. And

[1:37:15] then the rock replacement is at Pioneer

[1:37:17] Park on the pavilion. Even though it's a

[1:37:20] new park, the uh the rocking was

[1:37:22] installed on the columns and the stuff

[1:37:24] around there is uh just falling off. And

[1:37:27] what we've learned is just the way that

[1:37:29] it was installed originally and it was

[1:37:31] installed by Masons and um their labor

[1:37:34] warranty was only um a year and so

[1:37:38] there's no warranty.

[1:37:39] >> There was no warranty left on that. So

[1:37:42] the the new masons that we've talked to give us some quotes uh their

[1:37:47] recommendation is we pull all the rock

[1:37:49] off, take the existing mortar, um either

[1:37:52] it's it's a flat mortar or a flat rock

[1:37:55] and just gluing it, sticking it back on

[1:37:58] isn't going to solve the the long-term

[1:37:59] problem. So it's taking it off, tearing

[1:38:02] the existing mortar bed off and then

[1:38:04] reattaching it um new. So that's what

[1:38:08] that is. And then the water conservation

[1:38:10] at the fire station. We had money this

[1:38:12] year that we're using to do some areas

[1:38:15] at the fire station on the back of kind

[1:38:17] of the employee parking lot area

[1:38:18] removing grass that's not it just

[1:38:22] doesn't make sense to have grass in

[1:38:23] certain areas anymore. and that and so

[1:38:27] what we're asking this year is up would

[1:38:28] be on the main street side to remove all

[1:38:30] the grass and the park strip and replace

[1:38:32] it with a uh with a concrete off. It

[1:38:35] would actually be uh similar to exactly

[1:38:38] what you see out front here on this

[1:38:40] block. We used to replace the the mo

[1:38:42] strip with the the concrete that does

[1:38:47] take us dot per minute to do that. Um

[1:38:50] it's ready to go out here. So

[1:38:53] those are those three

[1:38:55] >> water conservation.

[1:38:56] >> It's water. We're trying to eliminate

[1:38:58] grass where grass doesn't make sense.

[1:39:00] And the fire station's a great example

[1:39:02] where we'll keep it in certain areas,

[1:39:04] but there's certain areas of the fire

[1:39:05] station where it doesn't make sense.

[1:39:07] Like grass around the flag pole,

[1:39:10] >> right?

[1:39:11] >> It just doesn't make sense to have grass

[1:39:13] there that And so those are things that

[1:39:15] were just eliminating grass where it

[1:39:17] just doesn't make sense anymore and just

[1:39:20] going to some raw. We'll still have some

[1:39:21] planting material like some shrubs and

[1:39:24] trees and stuff, but just eliminating

[1:39:26] turf grass.

[1:39:27] >> Okay.

[1:39:28] >> We did some project out of farms park

[1:39:30] this year. Um they're in small area

[1:39:33] there on 200 north by the pretty

[1:39:36] football field.

[1:39:42] » Great. Thanks, Seth. Uh cool. Is that

[1:39:44] the police stuff? Oh, I'd love to

[1:39:48] [clears throat] the vehicles. That's

[1:39:52] pretty normal to what we've done in the

[1:39:54] past. That the issue we have right now

[1:39:56] is we're

[1:39:58] even with our older vehicles, some of

[1:40:00] them we've had a lot of issues this

[1:40:01] year. Uh this warm detective vehicle in

[1:40:05] particular, we've put a motor and a

[1:40:07] transmission in it in the last

[1:40:10] I don't know, some of them are kicking

[1:40:11] our butt. They're not lasting like they

[1:40:13] used to, just like anything they make

[1:40:14] anymore. Um,

[1:40:17] so that just helps us kind of stay on

[1:40:19] track with replace if replacing older

[1:40:22] vehicles, trying to get them out of the

[1:40:24] fleet because they're just

[1:40:27] they're costing us so much between

[1:40:29] downtime and parts. Um, yeah, that'll

[1:40:33] just help us stay on track. The

[1:40:35] emergency operations center, a lot of

[1:40:38] what Ryan just talked about with council

[1:40:40] chambers. We're having issues in our

[1:40:43] ELC. The thing with our ELC is it's

[1:40:46] become a big part of our operation. Um

[1:40:51] we have a lot of meetings. We have a lot

[1:40:54] of training. Like just the inter

[1:40:57] department training by itself, we train

[1:40:59] two to four times a month because of the

[1:41:01] shifts we work. But we we try to record

[1:41:04] them. It doesn't work. Um

[1:41:08] you can pitch in whenever you want.

[1:41:10] >> Yeah. Some some of the issues we're

[1:41:11] having with the EOC is that the the

[1:41:13] floor boxes in the floor have have uh

[1:41:17] u they're they're having water condense

[1:41:20] inside the box and it's caused all the

[1:41:23] wiring in the floor to to basically just

[1:41:27] be fried essentially so it doesn't work.

[1:41:30] >> Um that same wiring is is also in the

[1:41:34] wall. So what we need to do is we need

[1:41:36] to go in there and replace all the

[1:41:38] wiring. Um,

[1:41:41] Mike Blackham suggested uh that we put

[1:41:45] uh vents on the top of those floor boxes

[1:41:47] and I think that's going to work. We're

[1:41:48] gonna we're going to actually do that.

[1:41:49] That'll be a lowcost uh fix for those

[1:41:53] floor boxes so we don't have this

[1:41:54] problem in the future.

[1:41:57] >> Can't you just buy the desk?

[1:41:59] >> It doesn't fix the wire.

[1:42:06] That would be a hint.

[1:42:07] >> This all the equipment in the EOC or in

[1:42:10] the EOC was was installed in 2018 when

[1:42:13] the when the building was built.

[1:42:15] >> 2014.

[1:42:16] >> Was it 2014?

[1:42:18] >> Yeah. It hasn't been replaced since. Um

[1:42:21] and uh it's the same time frame we had

[1:42:24] with the battery backup. So they were

[1:42:25] all they were all kind of at the same

[1:42:26] time. Um

[1:42:29] but uh that system is we we've

[1:42:33] a couple years ago we had it

[1:42:34] reprogrammed. um trying to make some

[1:42:37] make it better, but it's it's continuing

[1:42:40] to have problems. So, um there's a lot

[1:42:43] of things that don't work. They that we

[1:42:45] have uh speakers in the system or u mics

[1:42:48] in the in the ceiling that aren't that

[1:42:49] aren't functioning correctly and um they

[1:42:52] can't do remote meetings in that in that

[1:42:54] space anymore.

[1:42:56] um that they're having the same problem

[1:42:58] that we're having here at city hall

[1:43:00] where their DSP their backend equipment

[1:43:02] is um it's um out of out of date. We

[1:43:07] can't get parts for it and um anyway

[1:43:10] it's it's just it's it's [snorts] almost

[1:43:13] how how old would that be for that would

[1:43:15] be over

[1:43:15] >> 2014 So that'd be 12 years old.

[1:43:19] >> Yeah. as far as electronics go, that's pretty good to get 12 years out

[1:43:25] of it, especially out of a system like

[1:43:26] this. So, um,

[1:43:29] so this is this is what we're requesting

[1:43:32] to replace that AV equipment in the EOC.

[1:43:36] One of the big things I would say about

[1:43:38] that is if we do have like we run our

[1:43:40] end of the 4th of July out of there. If

[1:43:42] we had a major incident that that's

[1:43:44] where we would run it out of. I don't

[1:43:45] none of us including Ryan are

[1:43:48] comfortable that we would be able to

[1:43:49] >> we wouldn't be able to run any kind of

[1:43:51] emergency out of that space at currently

[1:43:53] the way it is. Yeah.

[1:43:56] >> The mobile biometric scanners. Uh I

[1:44:00] don't know. I don't this year there was

[1:44:02] a bill ran last year. This scanner is to

[1:44:08] it's [snorts and clears throat] not to

[1:44:08] track people, but it's to fingerprint

[1:44:11] like a if we can't verify who somebody

[1:44:14] is or there's certain citations we hand

[1:44:17] out, have you roll a fingerprint.

[1:44:20] Last year, bill got introduced and

[1:44:22] passed with a deadline of I think it was

[1:44:26] this year. Um this year they extended it

[1:44:29] into 27, but there's no fiscal note on

[1:44:32] this bill. Um but we will all be every

[1:44:36] agency in the state will be required to

[1:44:39] have them uh in their patrol vehicles

[1:44:42] and use them. The [snorts] only reason

[1:44:44] they pushed back, they gave a little bit

[1:44:47] more time had nothing to do with cities

[1:44:48] being able to fund it. It had to do with

[1:44:51] the CAD systems

[1:44:54] talking to the state. Right now, there's

[1:44:56] no way to export the fingerprint file to

[1:45:00] the state to get back information or

[1:45:02] even log the information.

[1:45:05] Um, so yeah, the state that's a

[1:45:08] requirement by the state. The range

[1:45:11] shed,

[1:45:12] we've been working a lot with Bountiful

[1:45:15] and they've agreed. Bountiful city PD

[1:45:18] has their own uh range and [snorts]

[1:45:21] they've agreed to let us cities have

[1:45:24] their own sheds there to keep all their

[1:45:26] supplies in. So you're not transporting

[1:45:28] them all the time. And they've agreed to

[1:45:30] let us do it. Let us let Kisville keep a

[1:45:34] shed there with our own stuffing and use

[1:45:36] it whenever we want.

[1:45:38] >> Not sure what you guys did to make the

[1:45:40] legislature so mad, but all the thousand

[1:45:43] bills that got presented this year, 500

[1:45:45] of them were public safety related.

[1:45:48] That's crazy.

[1:45:49] >> It's Yeah.

[1:45:53] >> Yeah. It was a rough year.

[1:45:54] >> I don't have anything else to do

[1:45:56] >> to say the least. It was a rough year

[1:45:58] for public safety. I I will say for the

[1:46:00] EOC

[1:46:02] when it was [clears throat] built, it

[1:46:04] was specifically built to operate as the

[1:46:06] EOCC. So in case did get a windstorm, a

[1:46:09] major earthquake or whatever, that

[1:46:11] building is built to withstand a a much

[1:46:13] heavier earthquake, all that much better

[1:46:16] than the fire station would ever do. Um

[1:46:18] and it was built at the time that that

[1:46:21] would become our absolute headquarters

[1:46:24] for uh city council would go there,

[1:46:27] [clears throat] department heads would

[1:46:28] go there, all operations would go out of

[1:46:31] there. So it it is pretty important to

[1:46:34] keep that as the EOC functioning. It's

[1:46:38] another one of those things that you

[1:46:39] hate to have to have, but you have to

[1:46:41] have it. And that building is

[1:46:43] specifically built for it.

[1:46:46] So,

[1:46:47] >> I will say this, when it was new, I ran

[1:46:50] a I ran a custodial abduction out of the

[1:46:54] EOC with the the abduction response

[1:46:57] team, the countywide team. It was

[1:46:59] phenomenal. They even commented on that

[1:47:01] when they left like this room was

[1:47:03] perfect for what had happened over those

[1:47:05] two days. If that happened today, I we

[1:47:10] could spread out throughout the

[1:47:11] building. We would there [clears throat]

[1:47:12] it just it add one more factor to an

[1:47:15] already massive problem that's just

[1:47:17] >> I mean it was bill so that things could

[1:47:19] be kept in the closets if there was a

[1:47:21] major incident they would be able to be

[1:47:23] rolled out of the closets put out

[1:47:25] operations logistics everything could

[1:47:28] operate

[1:47:29] >> well your number one thing that goes

[1:47:32] wrong in any afteraction report is

[1:47:34] communication and if we're not taking

[1:47:36] care of our communication we're failing

[1:47:37] already Right.

[1:47:41] » One thing I'd like to point out with the

[1:47:42] EOC is that uh when I was talking to a

[1:47:46] couple of these vendors, they they said

[1:47:48] that if we're doing the EOC and the

[1:47:50] council chambers AV at the same time and

[1:47:51] there will be cost savings there. So,

[1:47:54] because the programming will be very

[1:47:56] similar, the hardware will be similar,

[1:48:00] will just be easier to to to do overall.

[1:48:03] So,

[1:48:03] >> that makes sense, right?

[1:48:05] >> Yeah.

[1:48:08] So again, these are all one time fund

[1:48:10] kind of we're using fund balance

[1:48:13] for whatever constellation it might be.

[1:48:15] We we really wrestled with uh some of

[1:48:17] these um because they are expensive

[1:48:21] uh and at the end of the day just uh

[1:48:23] like it's been discussed, we feel like

[1:48:25] these are things that are needed um and

[1:48:27] we want to stay ahead of the maintenance

[1:48:29] curve and not just continue to defer

[1:48:31] every single item. Even though we have a

[1:48:33] lot of items later we're going to share

[1:48:34] that we are deferring. We know we need

[1:48:36] to stay up on some of these and they're

[1:48:38] only going to get expensive, more

[1:48:40] expensive if we we don't uh try to take

[1:48:43] care of some of these things. Um so,

[1:48:46] yep. Operations overview. Thanks.

[1:48:48] Deferred. All right. So, here's where we

[1:48:50] get into some things that were

[1:48:52] operational.

[1:48:54] >> Well, this is Cole. Do you want to talk

[1:48:56] about this? Sure.

[1:48:57] >> We're [laughter] not doing

[1:48:58] >> No, we're banning.

[1:49:00] >> Baby Jesus.

[1:49:03] >> No, no, no. So this this was uh this

[1:49:06] wasn't we have our baseline we we

[1:49:08] currently have this was increasing our

[1:49:11] baseline to expand make it look a little

[1:49:14] bit better. So,

[1:49:15] >> and Jason said, "No,

[1:49:17] >> Jason,

[1:49:18] >> well, [laughter]

[1:49:20] tell you

[1:49:21] >> finally

[1:49:25] Mike's like, "No, cut it."

[1:49:27] >> Finally, we said no to something.

[1:49:30] [laughter]

[1:49:30] >> So, so what we will still do what we

[1:49:33] currently have been doing. That hasn't

[1:49:34] changed.

[1:49:35] >> Okay.

[1:49:35] >> Uh the increase was to do a few more

[1:49:37] trees, a few more um

[1:49:39] >> deer families.

[1:49:41] >> Yeah. Our dearies our dear families are

[1:49:43] toast. Well, they did blow over,

[1:49:44] >> but they live their life. Um,

[1:49:46] >> takes me back.

[1:49:47] >> Yeah, we we used to be able to do a lot

[1:49:48] of this in the house. We just don't have

[1:49:50] the staff to to spend two months uh

[1:49:52] hanging Christmas lights. So, all this

[1:49:54] is contracted, which in a sense makes a

[1:49:57] lot of sense because it

[1:49:58] >> Yeah, they take it down.

[1:49:58] >> They take it down. They store the

[1:50:00] lights. We do all that stuff. So, this

[1:50:02] 18,000 was an increase of our of our

[1:50:06] current budget. So, this just goes back

[1:50:08] to our current budget. So, we won't

[1:50:11] improve anything. it would just remain

[1:50:13] the status quo.

[1:50:15] >> Okay.

[1:50:15] >> So, we will still do Christmas holiday

[1:50:17] lining

[1:50:17] >> as long as they're white.

[1:50:19] >> We thought the white turned out really

[1:50:21] good last year, so we want to keep that.

[1:50:23] So,

[1:50:25] >> thanks. Uh Ryan, you want to touch on

[1:50:27] these?

[1:50:28] >> Yeah. So, currently we use OnBase for

[1:50:29] our document management system. It's pretty much used across the board

[1:50:33] for the city. Um,

[1:50:36] everybody knows about the big push for

[1:50:38] AI and uh you've all used chaty fatigue

[1:50:41] and whatnot, but um and and know how

[1:50:44] easy it is to find things with with some

[1:50:46] of those AI tools. Um

[1:50:50] this is uh this was just a request that

[1:50:53] uh we made to uh integrate on base with um some AI to make to make uh

[1:51:01] searching documents and and uh all kinds

[1:51:05] of documents make searching

[1:51:07] [clears throat] documents easier to

[1:51:09] provide you know easier information

[1:51:11] that's specific to our our uh

[1:51:16] our onbase application. So, um it's

[1:51:20] obvious it's not going to happen this

[1:51:22] year, but um you know, I think that the

[1:51:24] usefulness of AI is going to continue to increase and we're going to um we're

[1:51:32] going to find it more useful to have

[1:51:33] these kind of things. So, um we'll look

[1:51:37] forward to having this in the future

[1:51:39] sometime.

[1:51:41] um for for support for door and uh

[1:51:43] camera systems. Um we were requesting

[1:51:47] a a contract with um our access control

[1:51:52] um company that we use um to kind of

[1:51:55] help us

[1:51:58] uh optimize our our camera system. And

[1:52:02] right now we have we have uh basically

[1:52:05] four servers that work together to uh

[1:52:11] um record and manage our cameras

[1:52:13] essentially. And that's uh it it needs

[1:52:16] some help beyond my expertise. So we

[1:52:19] were we were hoping to get some money to

[1:52:21] kind of uh help facilitate that

[1:52:24] optimization. Um and um

[1:52:28] it uh they also do support for the door

[1:52:31] access and and um there's some

[1:52:34] optimization that we can do there to

[1:52:36] kind of help with management of users

[1:52:38] and and doors and whatnot. So um yeah,

[1:52:43] that's what we were going to try to do

[1:52:45] there. Great. Thanks, Ryan. Next slide.

[1:52:49] Uh so this kind of a summary of the new

[1:52:52] changes or the new items. Um, most of

[1:52:54] these that we've talked about, I don't

[1:52:56] know that we've talked about the 88

[1:52:58] compliance yet, did we?

[1:53:00] >> We have not.

[1:53:00] >> You want to touch on that? That 17,000?

[1:53:03] >> Yeah. So, um,

[1:53:06] in 2024, the Justice Department, um,

[1:53:09] under title two of the ADA,

[1:53:12] um, required

[1:53:15] cities,

[1:53:17] states, and other governments to,

[1:53:20] uh, meet the WA

[1:53:23] WCAG 2.1 level accessibility standards

[1:53:27] that I don't understand the the acronyms

[1:53:32] and the mumbo jumbo behind behind that.

[1:53:33] But this is a request from the legal

[1:53:35] department so that we [clears throat]

[1:53:36] can uh we can update our website to meet

[1:53:40] ADA compliance essentially. Um basically

[1:53:44] what this is is a suite of software that looks on our website. It it uh

[1:53:50] evaluates it for ADA compliance. It

[1:53:52] makes the updates to those to those

[1:53:55] pieces. Um

[1:53:58] and uh and then and it publishes those

[1:54:00] pieces so we meet meet ADA compliance.

[1:54:04] Um

[1:54:06] but uh some of the things that we need

[1:54:08] to like address on the website are um

[1:54:10] all documents, all forms, all images,

[1:54:14] all videos,

[1:54:16] pretty much everything on the website.

[1:54:17] So um

[1:54:21] >> yeah,

[1:54:21] >> Brian, what does that mean? ADA

[1:54:23] compliance. What what does that mean?

[1:54:25] So, um just be able to enhance hearing

[1:54:28] or braille or

[1:54:30] >> it's it's uh mostly related to like um

[1:54:33] for example like on every picture in a

[1:54:35] website there's like a

[1:54:36] >> description of it

[1:54:37] >> a line that they that that you put in

[1:54:40] that describes what that picture is,

[1:54:41] right?

[1:54:42] >> Um it's more than that,

[1:54:44] >> but but PDF documents, documents, um

[1:54:48] everything have to have that that

[1:54:51] >> reader ability. Yeah. So, I'm not

[1:54:53] exactly sure what all it all entails.

[1:54:56] Um, yeah. So,

[1:55:00] uh, it's obviously a concern for legal

[1:55:02] because they've they've reached out to

[1:55:04] Jason and me to to try to figure out

[1:55:06] what we need to do to to bring our

[1:55:08] website up to compliance. So, they

[1:55:10] obviously see it as a liability. This is

[1:55:14] >> a state law.

[1:55:16] >> It isederal.

[1:55:17] >> It's a federal law. It's DOJ.

[1:55:20] >> Yeah.

[1:55:22] Yeah. Another one of the expensive

[1:55:25] things that uh just have to do it

[1:55:28] unfortunately. Fortunately,

[1:55:29] unfortunately, but it is expensive.

[1:55:32] >> Um

[1:55:33] >> the the download speeds. You want to

[1:55:34] talk really quickly?

[1:55:36] >> Um so, and maybe this is something Seth

[1:55:39] can chime in on, but uh currently

[1:55:42] uh Kim is running into lots of issues

[1:55:46] [clears throat]

[1:55:47] at the at the police station. Uh

[1:55:52] the the police department, they have a

[1:55:54] video system, the dash cam and the body

[1:55:56] cam system. Essentially what it does is

[1:55:59] it brings video in from the vehicles and

[1:56:01] it pushes it to the cloud. Um it also

[1:56:04] takes body cam video and pushes it to

[1:56:06] the cloud. Um that video is 4K so it's

[1:56:11] uh it's it's very slow and update

[1:56:13] uploading. Um but the biggest problems

[1:56:15] are with um redaction. So, uh, Kimberly

[1:56:21] over there, when she has to when she's

[1:56:23] has been requested video, she has to go

[1:56:27] in and redact it. It can be hours and hours and hours of 4K video

[1:56:31] that she's having to redact. And so her

[1:56:34] process is she has to download it from

[1:56:36] the cloud because that's where it's

[1:56:37] stored. Download it from the cloud. She

[1:56:40] does the redaction then uploads it. And

[1:56:42] um, our one gig connection um, you know,

[1:56:45] is is is slow for that kind of process.

[1:56:49] Um, and so the police department is

[1:56:51] requesting that we update our our

[1:56:54] connection to 10 gig.

[1:56:57] Um,

[1:56:58] we are set up for 10 gig. Our firewalls

[1:57:01] are set up for 10 gig. Our core switches

[1:57:03] are set up for 10 gig. Um, and you'll

[1:57:06] see in a later slide that we're we're

[1:57:08] requesting that we're going to replace

[1:57:10] the um the PD switches. And so those PD

[1:57:14] switches will be capable of 10 gig. And

[1:57:17] so what the police department is asking

[1:57:18] for is uh to update our internet

[1:57:21] connection service from 1 gig to to 10

[1:57:24] gig. This represents the cost uh plus

[1:57:28] some hardware um for the the addition of

[1:57:33] that service. So yeah, I I think roughly

[1:57:37] we spend about $1,100 a month on one gig service and to add 10 gig,

[1:57:44] it's going to be another $500.

[1:57:46] So

[1:57:47] >> reoccurring.

[1:57:47] >> So they're What's that?

[1:57:48] >> Reoccurring, right? Not one time. This

[1:57:50] is

[1:57:50] >> one. Yeah, reoccurring. Yeah. Every

[1:57:52] month. Yep.

[1:57:53] >> How how many hours, Seth, are the guys

[1:57:55] sometimes spending just uploading their

[1:57:56] body cam stuff?

[1:57:57] >> That's what I was just going to say. So,

[1:57:59] we have some vehicles have taken, so

[1:58:02] typical shift is 12 hours in patrol.

[1:58:05] We've had vehicles sit and have to run

[1:58:07] while they're doing this. Uh, we've had

[1:58:10] one sit for eight almost nine hours and

[1:58:12] still didn't clear the whole uh hard

[1:58:16] drive or storage. Uh, Kimberly's had

[1:58:18] cases that have taken days. So every

[1:58:23] almost every case we we do a lot of we

[1:58:26] do a lot of our calls in pairs now for

[1:58:28] safety

[1:58:30] and just for instance in a vehicle

[1:58:32] there's four cameras

[1:58:34] the front back uh inside the vehicle

[1:58:38] plus the body

[1:58:39] >> and they're all 4K Uh where it's

[1:58:42] impacting us is our grammar requests

[1:58:45] have gone up. Uh getting a case to the

[1:58:49] prosecutor's office. That's probably our

[1:58:51] biggest one because there we have

[1:58:53] depending on the case we have time

[1:58:55] limits and when it has to be there, how

[1:58:57] fast it has to be there, excuse

[1:58:59] [clears throat] me, where they'll

[1:59:00] release our suspect.

[1:59:03] So for us, we looked at it a couple of

[1:59:05] ways. Our vehicles were are wearing out.

[1:59:08] Run times really hard on them. Plus the

[1:59:11] down just the downtime. Um I was talking

[1:59:14] to a newer officer the other day and

[1:59:16] when I when I got to the office and when

[1:59:18] I was leaving at the end of the day he

[1:59:19] was parked in the same place. So I I

[1:59:22] picked on him and

[1:59:25] he didn't know how to take it cuz he

[1:59:26] >> we just want to know why

[1:59:27] >> he was leaving he could only leave to go

[1:59:29] to a call and come back to the office

[1:59:32] because he had so much stored in his

[1:59:34] vehicle that he well any free time

[1:59:38] instead of being out driving around and

[1:59:40] doing [snorts] traffic or just being

[1:59:42] seen he couldn't do it. He had to sit at

[1:59:44] the office and let his vehicle run while

[1:59:47] it sucked the information out of his

[1:59:49] car. Um,

[1:59:52] >> Kimberly's even tried when she downloads

[1:59:55] them to redact them, she'll leave it

[1:59:57] running when she leaves at night and

[1:59:58] come back in the morning. Sometimes it's

[2:00:00] done.

[2:00:01] >> Sometimes a disc or

[2:00:03] >> disc I think

[2:00:05] >> not a disc. Not a disc drive.

[2:00:08] >> Everything's on the cloud now.

[2:00:10] >> Yeah.

[2:00:11] And the 4K thing is a big deal. Uh

[2:00:16] you've just the redaction part itself is

[2:00:19] the whole thing's been technology is

[2:00:21] great until it's not. It's just been

[2:00:23] very hard work.

[2:00:24] >> Ryan dumb question. Instead of going to

[2:00:26] the cloud, can it just go to their own

[2:00:28] specific server for this and make it

[2:00:30] fast?

[2:00:31] >> Yeah. So um so we c we previously we had

[2:00:36] a system that was dumping it to our own

[2:00:38] storage locally and uh that was working

[2:00:41] well. It it was 10 it was 1080p so it

[2:00:44] was one quarter of the actual size of

[2:00:46] what we're what we're doing. Um but

[2:00:49] Motorola bought out WatchGuard and and

[2:00:52] Motorola uh made a change that that only

[2:00:57] allows

[2:00:59] um cloud hosted video and almost all the

[2:01:03] vendors are moving to cloud hosted type

[2:01:06] services. So there isn't an option for

[2:01:10] um local storage for video anymore. Um,

[2:01:14] and that's that's that's pretty much I

[2:01:17] mean when you talk about anything,

[2:01:18] everything's going to the cloud and and

[2:01:20] this is one of those things.

[2:01:22] >> When we were looking at different

[2:01:23] vendors for body camera and car camera,

[2:01:27] >> the top [clears throat] four maybe even

[2:01:29] five companies that do it that

[2:01:32] >> they were all forced into subscription

[2:01:34] and they were all forced into cloud

[2:01:36] storage when we looked at all of them.

[2:01:37] >> Yeah, there is some advantages to cloud

[2:01:40] storage. It's obviously less work for uh the police department or it but

[2:01:46] um because we don't have to manage the

[2:01:48] updates on the servers or you know

[2:01:50] manage the security profiles there. Um

[2:01:53] but there's there's you know other

[2:01:56] problems so that we're running into. So

[2:01:59] one thing I will say about the 10 gig

[2:02:01] internet connection is while it benefits

[2:02:04] the police department greatly, it's it's

[2:02:07] across the board. So it actually

[2:02:09] benefits every single connection in the

[2:02:11] city. So operations,

[2:02:14] admin, fire department, um cemetery,

[2:02:18] everybody would get access to

[2:02:21] connection. So um it would benefit our backups that go to Richfield. And um

[2:02:27] so you know, I'm while this is a police

[2:02:30] department request, it it does have um

[2:02:33] wide reaching benefits.

[2:02:36] >> Well, thank you. just uh you know

[2:02:38] obviously

[2:02:40] >> as you know I know very little about IT

[2:02:43] technology but I thought the whole part

[2:02:45] of the fiber was was going to be make

[2:02:48] the speed so fast that you could never

[2:02:51] overrun that fiber.

[2:02:53] >> Yeah. The reason why we can get 10 gig

[2:02:55] is because we have fiber.

[2:02:57] >> Okay.

[2:02:57] >> So if we if we were on like a a DSL or

[2:03:01] cable modem or whatever we wouldn't have

[2:03:03] the option for 10 gig. Okay. So, so that

[2:03:06] that's that is that is the benefit of

[2:03:08] Fiverr.

[2:03:10] >> Thank you.

[2:03:11] >> Great. Thanks. Uh the last one there, uh

[2:03:14] 10,000 for PR services. So, we felt uh

[2:03:18] that we can do a better job with

[2:03:20] communications to residents. It's

[2:03:22] something that we've been wanting to do

[2:03:24] more and more of. A lot of cities you'll

[2:03:27] see actually have a full-time public

[2:03:29] information officer or even a department

[2:03:31] that you know just devoted towards

[2:03:33] communications rolling out video content

[2:03:36] and all kinds of information that for

[2:03:38] social media and right now we don't

[2:03:41] really have anything that's kind of

[2:03:42] other duties as assigned friend Marie to

[2:03:44] do newsletter and and uh and where other

[2:03:47] people may have a little bit of time

[2:03:48] here and there but we have a contracted

[2:03:51] LinkedIn group as some of you know to do

[2:03:54] a little bit on call when we have a

[2:03:56] need, a project that we want to prepare

[2:03:58] some content for, they're there. So, we

[2:04:00] that's going to cost a little bit. Just

[2:04:02] as an example, yesterday I met with uh

[2:04:06] LinkedIn and I working we're working

[2:04:08] with the Catalyst Center, the Davis

[2:04:10] School District Catalyst Center. That's

[2:04:11] where they're teaching high school

[2:04:13] students um like career type of skills

[2:04:16] where they graduate with a certificate

[2:04:17] or college credits towards different

[2:04:19] things. And one of those areas is video

[2:04:21] production. And so they have agreed to

[2:04:24] for free uh put together a video series

[2:04:27] for the city. So it'll spotlight

[2:04:28] different departments. We can put these

[2:04:31] one minute videos out um spotlighting

[2:04:34] fire, police, you know, water

[2:04:35] department. And uh I think it's going to

[2:04:38] be really cool. So we're excited about

[2:04:39] that. But that's an area where, you

[2:04:41] know, maybe we can run it by Langden

[2:04:42] Group and say, "Hey, help us write a

[2:04:44] story board or, you know, give us some

[2:04:46] guidelines on some good content that

[2:04:48] residents would find interesting and and

[2:04:49] informative." So that's what that's

[2:04:51] about. I'll put a blurb on that in the

[2:04:53] city manager report as well. Uh under

[2:04:55] the efficiencies, we've already talked

[2:04:56] about most of these. Uh so where you saw

[2:04:59] under the road fund, we saw uh an

[2:05:02] increase. We're seeing uh a savings on

[2:05:05] >> [clears throat]

[2:05:05] >> uh operations cuz we're just

[2:05:07] transferring those costs uh now over

[2:05:08] into the road fund. Likewise down there

[2:05:11] at the bottom uh transfers to from

[2:05:13] general fund to MBA and debt service. Um

[2:05:16] you saw that we were seeing an increase

[2:05:18] in those funds. That's because we're

[2:05:21] using fund balance and we're actually

[2:05:23] seeing a savings now in the general fund

[2:05:25] side of it. So that's where that savings

[2:05:27] is coming from. And then non-election

[2:05:28] year. So savings there on election

[2:05:31] costs. Uh next slide. So just

[2:05:35] >> just a couple more slides and we're

[2:05:36] done. Capital. All right. So this these

[2:05:39] are the deferred items we talked about

[2:05:41] and I'll try to just run them really

[2:05:42] quick unless people want to jump in. But

[2:05:46] uh scissors left. Scissors scissor lift.

[2:05:49] Um, we can rent that, right, Cole? And

[2:05:53] so we're going to

[2:05:54] >> we do

[2:05:55] >> not do that. Um,

[2:05:59] refinish the bay floors. It's been 25

[2:06:01] years, whatever, chief.

[2:06:03] >> 26 years. So, that's going to be needed.

[2:06:06] Uh, but going to kick that at least

[2:06:10] another year. uh we had budgeted 1.5

[2:06:13] million uh to do some fire station um

[2:06:17] expansion should especially should we

[2:06:20] defer for a long long time the westside

[2:06:22] fire station. So obviously considering

[2:06:24] that the west side fire station is being

[2:06:28] looked at and for for a bond issue or a

[2:06:31] general obligation valid issue uh we're

[2:06:34] going to hold on this until we know

[2:06:35] what's going on with the fire station um

[2:06:38] under community development. So, we've

[2:06:40] kicked several things down the road

[2:06:42] here. Uh, we've talked about a

[2:06:44] comprehensive code update. Our codes are

[2:06:46] just really in need of uh an overhaul,

[2:06:49] an update. Um, we're trying to just do

[2:06:53] those a little bit at a time, but I

[2:06:54] think until we actually get somebody to

[2:06:56] come in and just do an overhaul with us,

[2:06:57] it's going to take a long, long time to

[2:07:00] get those updated. Uh, but we're going

[2:07:02] to kick that one for a little bit more.

[2:07:04] Uh, the 5-year capital or sorry, 5-year

[2:07:06] general plan update. Um, so this is one

[2:07:11] that I know the council might have some

[2:07:12] input on. Um, our current general plan

[2:07:15] was updated or adopted in 2022. So we're

[2:07:19] now going on four years to do it.

[2:07:22] >> Um, it's a major project to do that. Um,

[2:07:26] it's $150,000.

[2:07:28] And like I said, every one of these

[2:07:30] things we've kind of wrestled on like,

[2:07:32] uh, should we I mean, some of those

[2:07:34] items that you saw put in for fund

[2:07:36] balance use, we kind of had in, then we

[2:07:38] had out, and in. Same thing with some of

[2:07:41] these where it's just I know that we'd

[2:07:43] like to do it, but we thought, well,

[2:07:44] let's just maybe kick this one year and

[2:07:47] do uh general FL plan update next year,

[2:07:51] but that's again for discussion for

[2:07:54] council. if how you feel about that. Um,

[2:07:58] again, 2022 was when our current plan

[2:08:01] was last adopted. And then the BLP and

[2:08:04] Z, that's business license and planning

[2:08:06] and zoning study and just kind of

[2:08:08] figuring out are we charging the right

[2:08:09] fees. Um, and rather than outsource

[2:08:12] that, we think we can um do that study

[2:08:14] inhouse. Uh, under parks, we've got a

[2:08:18] couple of mowers uh and a well a mower

[2:08:20] and a sprayer that um are in need of

[2:08:23] replacement.

[2:08:24] um or addition to the fleet on this the

[2:08:28] sprayer is an additional sprayer, right,

[2:08:30] Cole? But

[2:08:31] >> um we thought let's see if we can push

[2:08:33] off on that one. Um capital projects

[2:08:37] down here in the bottom left.

[2:08:40] >> Uh trappers. So there's there's no way

[2:08:42] we've got $3.8 million to do with

[2:08:44] trappers right now, but hopefully we can

[2:08:46] continue to save up for that and and do

[2:08:49] that. That's the project over by the

[2:08:51] do-it-yourself skate park.

[2:08:53] uh into 200 north and then the 950 north

[2:08:56] improvements. Um

[2:08:59] you want to talk about what that

[2:09:00] entails? Cool.

[2:09:00] >> That was just the streetscape there as

[2:09:02] you enter exit the West Davis corridor

[2:09:05] there at 950 north just improving the

[2:09:08] streetscape along 950 north up to Quail

[2:09:11] Crossing Park and then down Sunset um

[2:09:15] until you hit the the creek. So that's

[2:09:18] what that money was was just yeah

[2:09:21] improvements betterments on the

[2:09:23] streetscape

[2:09:24] >> and that's not the part of the money we

[2:09:26] already got from you.

[2:09:28] >> No no that that the WDC money can't be

[2:09:31] used for this because it's not a

[2:09:33] >> it's not part of the West Davis corridor

[2:09:34] trail. So

[2:09:37] >> we we've done some planning or are doing

[2:09:39] some planning right now right with

[2:09:41] >> plan and so when we do have funding

[2:09:43] available we'll we'll have a plan we can

[2:09:45] execute off of.

[2:09:47] These are all tough ones because this is

[2:09:49] one I know that when we were doing our

[2:09:51] strategic planning meetings last year,

[2:09:52] the some of the council voiced an

[2:09:54] interest in like let's do more to really

[2:09:56] enhance the city so it looks nice and like that included enhancing some of

[2:10:01] our entrances. So coming off of West

[2:10:04] Davis onto 950, that's one of those

[2:10:05] areas that we'd love to make look nice,

[2:10:07] add some trees and things, but again,

[2:10:10] it's an expense and we thought, All

[2:10:11] right, maybe this is when we kick down

[2:10:13] the road one more year and see if we can

[2:10:16] save up a little bit. I know we we can't

[2:10:18] we don't have the bandwidth probably to

[2:10:20] do everything, but um

[2:10:23] anyway, all these are up for discussion

[2:10:25] input if if the council has strong

[2:10:27] feelings. uh under the police uh we've

[2:10:30] that parking lot gate has been broken

[2:10:33] for forever pretty much couple years.

[2:10:36] >> Yeah.

[2:10:37] >> Um

[2:10:38] >> that amounts only to do one

[2:10:40] >> Yeah.

[2:10:40] >> one side [clears throat]

[2:10:42] >> that's just to do the south side.

[2:10:44] >> Yeah.

[2:10:44] >> So just a security thing but one of

[2:10:47] those things that we've kind of kicked

[2:10:49] down the road. Same with the drone. Um

[2:10:51] kick down the road. Do you want to talk

[2:10:53] about what the drone's for so people

[2:10:54] understand?

[2:10:55] >> Yeah. So [clears throat]

[2:10:58] the drone

[2:11:00] >> I can't remember the there's an acronym

[2:11:02] for what they call it now but there

[2:11:05] >> it's great that we can like we've been

[2:11:06] able to call on Josh and we've been able

[2:11:08] to call on fire chief and his people to

[2:11:10] come out. One of the biggest things we

[2:11:12] were missing there is timing u how fast

[2:11:16] we respond to this agencies that are

[2:11:18] using them. They're making sure most of

[2:11:20] them that are operating them now have

[2:11:22] drones on every shift. Um, and the

[2:11:25] significance of that is speed because

[2:11:27] time is our biggest friend and our worst

[2:11:29] enemy.

[2:11:31] The when we looked into it, there's an aspect we we can't get from

[2:11:37] the help we get is there's an interior

[2:11:40] drones that they're starting to use for

[2:11:43] uh not only officer or fire safety, but

[2:11:46] the safety of the people in the house.

[2:11:48] Um, interior drones are they can be

[2:11:51] tactical or or not, but there's drones

[2:11:54] specific that fly through a building.

[2:11:57] Um, if they get knocked down, they have

[2:12:00] the capability of blowing themselves

[2:12:02] around and picking themselves back up.

[2:12:05] It's it's become a huge part of public

[2:12:08] safety. Um,

[2:12:12] yeah,

[2:12:13] >> great for searching for lost. Yeah. And

[2:12:16] that and that's where the timing thing

[2:12:17] comes in is the searching for whether

[2:12:20] it's a lost elderly person at Apple Tree

[2:12:23] to our guy that walked away up on the

[2:12:26] top of Crestwood.

[2:12:27] >> You're probably one of the few

[2:12:29] departments around that don't have a

[2:12:30] drone.

[2:12:30] >> We're the only one in the county that

[2:12:32] doesn't have a drone program.

[2:12:33] >> Doesn't make sense. Really?

[2:12:34] >> Right now.

[2:12:34] >> We don't need insurance. Get a drone.

[2:12:37] >> Yeah. Can I speak to you?

[2:12:41] >> Um, I was in a conference in Denver

[2:12:44] [snorts] in October and and I

[2:12:46] >> I went to a drone. They were talking

[2:12:48] about the significance of a helicopter

[2:12:50] and a drone and like just the different

[2:12:53] use for all of them and

[2:12:56] there was probably 100 people in the

[2:12:57] room when they asked who doesn't have a

[2:12:59] drone program. I was the only one who

[2:13:01] raised their hand.

[2:13:03] >> But it just because it's become such a

[2:13:05] big part of public safety.

[2:13:10] » [laughter]

[2:13:13] » I like to be different. I like to be the

[2:13:14] person.

[2:13:15] >> Yes, you do. That's why I love you.

[2:13:16] >> Raises their head.

[2:13:18] >> You're like, "Sometimes I drone on."

[2:13:24] >> Yes.

[2:13:25] >> All right. I mean, you were complaining

[2:13:27] that I wasn't talking. So, you are

[2:13:29] >> Who was complaining about that?

[2:13:31] >> I was.

[2:13:33] >> So, um

[2:13:36] I feel like uh

[2:13:38] I'm going to

[2:13:40] >> remember that Abigail.

[2:13:43] [laughter]

[2:13:43] >> So, never to kind of try to wrap this

[2:13:45] up. I know everyone's kind of tired out

[2:13:47] and um been on boarding, but uh yeah,

[2:13:50] we're also deferring the alignment

[2:13:52] system. There's a system that would help

[2:13:54] us just do more in-house

[2:13:56] uh um gosh, preventative maintenance and

[2:14:00] alignments. Uh but we're going to kick

[2:14:04] that one down the road. the Arctic Wolf

[2:14:07] software we talked about. Um that's just

[2:14:09] kind of cyber security type stuff and we

[2:14:11] think there's a state system that will

[2:14:12] kind of maybe help us do some of that this would have done. So we're

[2:14:16] going to try that right in a nutshell.

[2:14:19] Um major capital requests. So here's

[2:14:22] where we get into

[2:14:24] um

[2:14:25] >> these are duplicates right because they

[2:14:27] were funded by fund balance but

[2:14:30] >> um

[2:14:31] >> so the the total is is duplicated or

[2:14:34] duplicates in the total. Yes. Yep.

[2:14:37] >> So, um

[2:14:38] >> the Barnes Tower concrete bleacher

[2:14:40] that's funded by Fun Balance, but it's

[2:14:41] still a capital

[2:14:43] >> item.

[2:14:44] >> Uh yeah. Did we talk about the mower,

[2:14:46] the brush mower?

[2:14:47] >> You want chat on that? Talk about that.

[2:14:49] >> So, this is a mower that we currently

[2:14:51] don't we don't have. We have a lot we we

[2:14:55] have a lot more increasing in weed lots.

[2:14:57] We've always had weed lots, but we've

[2:14:59] currently been using u some of our old

[2:15:02] just rider turf mowers, but it really is

[2:15:05] getting to the point it just doesn't

[2:15:07] work. The mowers get beat up so bad. Um,

[2:15:10] and so this mower is just a specially

[2:15:13] designed just for uh

[2:15:16] non manicured turf, like just brush

[2:15:18] mowing with the on and off ramps for

[2:15:21] West Davis, I-15,

[2:15:23] things like that that we uh they're just

[2:15:25] trying to do using some makeshift.

[2:15:27] That's what that is. And the utility car

[2:15:29] replacement is just we have a a utility

[2:15:32] card at Barnes Park that's we're leaking

[2:15:34] oil into the engine and

[2:15:38] we we hope

[2:15:40] >> we hope that we can get it till July. Um

[2:15:42] but it's it's just a replacement. The

[2:15:44] utility cart's a replacement for an

[2:15:46] existing card out there that we use for

[2:15:47] all of our ball fields. Um and just

[2:15:50] throughout the park at Barnes Park. So

[2:15:53] the other two I've already talked about.

[2:15:54] So

[2:15:55] >> perfect. under fire. I know we talked

[2:15:57] about the cameras already, the deputy

[2:15:59] fire chief vehicle. Anything you want to

[2:16:01] say to that, Chief?

[2:16:02] >> I have a question on that. Does it have

[2:16:04] to be a specialized vehicle?

[2:16:06] >> Can't we just pay towards someone?

[2:16:09] >> No, because they got to respond with

[2:16:14] Does it have to special? Okay.

[2:16:17] >> Prius is going to work.

[2:16:18] >> I didn't know what

[2:16:19] >> Just a little Prius. Yeah,

[2:16:23] I I just read that they're the best for

[2:16:25] clearing intersections.

[2:16:28] [laughter]

[2:16:29] >> I read that

[2:16:31] just GBT.

[2:16:39] » It wasn't a big deal.

[2:16:41] >> Excuse me on you.

[2:16:44] >> Thank you, John. Thank you for taking

[2:16:46] >> Thank you everybody. So, that's it. Uh

[2:16:47] everything else we've talked about

[2:16:49] already on this list. Uh so next slide

[2:16:53] that's that's our uh presentation for

[2:16:56] today. So any questions? We're going to

[2:16:59] send out these slides as well and I know

[2:17:01] you'll have more to digest here, but

[2:17:05] we're happy to meet oneonone or or bring

[2:17:07] up questions in the next meeting. Is

[2:17:09] there is there a feeling that we need to

[2:17:11] have follow-up discussions and schedule

[2:17:14] another

[2:17:15] um workshop on this the items we've

[2:17:19] talked about or do you we could talk

[2:17:21] about those in council meeting as well

[2:17:22] if you want.

[2:17:24] >> There's one just texted me and she said

[2:17:27] she forgot to hit record. Is it okay if

[2:17:29] we do the whole thing again?

[2:17:30] >> Okay, everybody take a break. We're

[2:17:32] going to redo.

[2:17:33] >> Jason, I I appreciate everything you

[2:17:36] guys have done. I think this is

[2:17:38] fantastic. We looked at a a significant

[2:17:40] raise last year which did make us sick

[2:17:42] but we had some good justifications for

[2:17:44] it and to not be able to have to

[2:17:46] replicate that plus an additional huge

[2:17:50] is so helpful. So thank you for looking

[2:17:53] at it in a creative way because

[2:17:56] we already know what we've done and it's

[2:17:58] not something that we ever want to do

[2:18:00] but we had some some good reasons for

[2:18:02] the agenda stuff. and Mike has

[2:18:04] >> I just have one question and and it's

[2:18:06] just from going through and listening

[2:18:08] and seeing everybody and all that is I I

[2:18:11] feel like there is one position that I

[2:18:13] would love to see maybe come in as

[2:18:15] part-time started. I know I'm not one

[2:18:17] that likes to add employees. I really

[2:18:19] don't. But I think that police secretary

[2:18:22] over there that has to do all that

[2:18:23] camera work and redaction and stuff to

[2:18:25] get that stuff ready for our attorneys

[2:18:27] on Monday that go I guess then they go

[2:18:29] through all the cases. Um,

[2:18:32] I would love I rather than hit us up

[2:18:34] with a full-time employee, is there any

[2:18:37] way that maybe we can work something

[2:18:40] that I because she she appears I've seen

[2:18:44] everybody. she had if she's sick or

[2:18:46] something or has no backup whatsoever, I

[2:18:49] don't know how the cases would move

[2:18:51] forward, but she she spends, like I

[2:18:55] said, she'll spend 4 days redacting a

[2:18:58] case off of uh a 2-hour call that there

[2:19:02] are four officers with four cameras

[2:19:04] there and she gets a grandma act for it.

[2:19:07] So, she has to get all that. Is there

[2:19:10] any does that make sense to you, Seth?

[2:19:12] talk to your chief and

[2:19:15] >> I would rather I'd love to see something

[2:19:17] like that cuz I see it coming.

[2:19:19] >> Yeah.

[2:19:20] >> Can we try to do it with maybe I'll say

[2:19:22] 15 hours a week or something to start

[2:19:24] with 10 hours a week and see how it goes

[2:19:27] if it helps.

[2:19:28] >> Yeah, anything will help at this point

[2:19:30] >> because out of everything that we went

[2:19:33] through and saw, I kind of felt like she

[2:19:36] was the one getting

[2:19:39] people.

[2:19:40] >> You don't have to pay benefits and

[2:19:41] stuff. That's why I say start out part

[2:19:43] time strictly.

[2:19:44] >> I'm just saying two part time. Then you

[2:19:45] have someone to offset, you know, if you

[2:19:47] have vacation or sick instead of one

[2:19:49] full time.

[2:19:49] >> Oh, I don't Yeah, that's why I want part

[2:19:51] time. That's why I'm suggesting part

[2:19:53] time. I'm saying two people.

[2:19:54] >> Oh, you're saying two part time.

[2:19:55] >> Two part time instead of one full time

[2:19:57] because it's still cheaper than having

[2:19:58] to pay.

[2:19:59] >> Yeah, that's start out with just the one

[2:20:01] part-time and see what it helps her

[2:20:03] with. See how much that helps her. Yeah,

[2:20:07] I think any help is great because to

[2:20:10] your point, if if she calls in sick,

[2:20:14] Cindy can do some of it, but then in

[2:20:16] turn, if if Kimberly's gone,

[2:20:20] Cindy also has to run everything else at

[2:20:22] the same time. She'll So, she'll man the

[2:20:25] front, all the walk, all her foot. Yeah.

[2:20:28] So,

[2:20:29] >> it's completely up to her.

[2:20:30] >> Yeah. Anyhow,

[2:20:31] >> how she

[2:20:32] >> Yeah. distributes those out. But at

[2:20:35] least maybe let's look at a let's just

[2:20:39] for let's say a 10 15 hour a week

[2:20:42] part-time person

[2:20:44] help her and get through [clears throat]

[2:20:46] her day.

[2:20:48] >> We do that HR position Jason was talking

[2:20:51] about part-time. It's only 29,000.

[2:20:56] So So I would assume his police would be

[2:20:59] similar.

[2:21:00] >> That would be a huge bang for the Would

[2:21:01] you be okay if I built in two or just

[2:21:04] one?

[2:21:05] >> I think just start one. Let's just start

[2:21:06] one and see how. And then she says,

[2:21:08] "This has been a great help."

[2:21:11] >> We need to go fulltime.

[2:21:12] >> Great.

[2:21:13] >> Maybe we have to wait on the next budget

[2:21:15] year to add someone else, right? Because

[2:21:17] we don't like to do a midterm.

[2:21:19] >> I mean, you we can always do amendments

[2:21:22] budget amendment, but I know

[2:21:23] >> it just seemed like there was a huge

[2:21:25] need for

[2:21:25] >> the budget amendments are normal. I know

[2:21:28] that you guys don't like it,

[2:21:30] >> but technically

[2:21:33] >> transparency and all of that, like it's

[2:21:35] normal for them to come more often than

[2:21:38] we have been doing in the past.

[2:21:40] >> But if it's a, you know, if it's a

[2:21:42] schedule for you

[2:21:45] >> offered as a part-time job for so many

[2:21:47] hours a week, there's so probably a lot

[2:21:48] of people around here that would be

[2:21:50] interested in it. And

[2:21:52] >> part time is is very lucrative. It's how

[2:21:54] you worked into your court request for

[2:21:56] your full-time. I mean, originally that

[2:21:58] was only a 10hour a week job. Then it

[2:22:00] became a 20 your secretary.

[2:22:03] >> Yeah.

[2:22:03] >> And then a 30 and now it's become full.

[2:22:05] But it's taken 10 or so years to get to

[2:22:08] that point. That's good. That's good to

[2:22:11] see how that works.

[2:22:12] >> Yeah. It's plus part-time. I mean just

[2:22:15] on our job alone. Now it was part-time

[2:22:17] with benefits 30 hours a week, but we

[2:22:19] had 115 applicants first three days

[2:22:21] >> for part time.

[2:22:22] >> Yeah. So

[2:22:25] >> part time is very lucrative here.

[2:22:28] >> I have not had a part-time applicant in

[2:22:32] 8 years

[2:22:34] >> for full-time jobs.

[2:22:35] >> No, for [snorts] part time.

[2:22:36] >> Oh, for part time.

[2:22:37] >> So

[2:22:38] >> have you post?

[2:22:39] >> Yes. [clears throat and laughter]

[2:22:42] » Yeah, we are.

[2:22:45] >> Yeah, here I'll post one and then

[2:22:47] [laughter] we just set

[2:22:53] Oh, now you're

[2:22:55] >> something I [laughter] do want to

[2:22:56] technically you are the deputy chief

[2:22:58] right now.

[2:23:00] >> Something I do want to uh while we have

[2:23:03] all the department heads here that I do

[2:23:04] want to uh ask you to think about with

[2:23:08] employees ask especially when you ask

[2:23:10] for new employees

[2:23:12] um or even with the ones you have. I

[2:23:15] I've been thinking recently that there's

[2:23:18] an option maybe if you feel like

[2:23:21] somebody can take on more responsibility

[2:23:24] to pay them more money for that versus

[2:23:30] hiring a new person. And I hope that

[2:23:32] that's always an alter like an option

[2:23:34] that you that you can ponder that we

[2:23:37] would accept readily. Um, you know, I

[2:23:40] just try and think of like are there

[2:23:42] ways that we can fulfill what our

[2:23:45] department heads need but also not have

[2:23:48] to incur the cost of an entire employee.

[2:23:52] And um sometimes I think thinking out of

[2:23:55] the side of the box of like, okay, I've

[2:23:57] got these four people. Well, I could

[2:23:58] really use a fifth. Or I could ask the

[2:24:01] four people, hey, are you willing to

[2:24:03] take on a couple a little bit more

[2:24:06] responsibility, and I'm going to give

[2:24:08] each of you 10 grand more a year for

[2:24:12] doing that.

[2:24:15] That's 40 grand on the budget, but it

[2:24:18] doesn't cost where it normally would

[2:24:21] have cost us 100red to hire that

[2:24:23] employee. And so I I know that you

[2:24:26] probably are already doing that and you

[2:24:28] may already say, "Oh yeah, my people are

[2:24:29] stretched too thin." But I just, you

[2:24:32] know, I just think that that's so much

[2:24:34] more palatable or also an idea to and I

[2:24:38] think people would probably welcome the

[2:24:41] idea and probably would make them feel

[2:24:43] pretty excited to get a little bit extra

[2:24:44] money to to, you know, and incentivize

[2:24:48] them to do a little bit extra. So,

[2:24:51] >> I don't disagree at all, but keep in

[2:24:53] mind throwing money at it is a

[2:24:55] short-term fix. Just don't forget about

[2:24:57] that.

[2:24:58] >> Well,

[2:24:59] >> it's not a longterm that's that

[2:25:00] shouldn't be your long-term plan because

[2:25:02] it doesn't work

[2:25:03] >> for an employee, right? But but but

[2:25:06] sometimes I think that I don't know

[2:25:08] maybe I'm wrong but sometimes I think

[2:25:10] you hire another person and then maybe you're observing throughout the

[2:25:16] year and you're like boy it kind of

[2:25:17] seems like they don't have a ton to do

[2:25:19] all the time or whatever and and so yeah

[2:25:22] from a short term I think it is short

[2:25:24] term but like to the Mike's point

[2:25:26] [snorts] with this you know rather than

[2:25:29] jumping straight to hiring a second

[2:25:31] person to review the videos you could

[2:25:34] start with part-time. Well, another

[2:25:36] option would be if there's somebody in

[2:25:38] the office, I'm guessing there isn't,

[2:25:40] but if there was somebody in the office

[2:25:42] who seems like, oh man, they kind of

[2:25:44] seems like they're sitting around like

[2:25:45] they're I definitely need them, but I

[2:25:49] can see that they could use like be

[2:25:52] like, okay, hey, so and so, if we paid

[2:25:55] you an extra 10 grand, would you start

[2:25:57] reviewing the videos also? You know, and

[2:26:01] you're like, they're like, heck yeah.

[2:26:03] So, uh, versus if you said to

[2:26:06] them, hey, we want you to start

[2:26:07] reviewing videos as part of your job

[2:26:10] description, they're going to be like,

[2:26:12] what the I'm already, you know, so that

[2:26:15] I that's the type of stuff

[2:26:17] >> that would be incredibly helpful in in

[2:26:21] specific situations to be able to

[2:26:24] >> maximize efficiencies where currently

[2:26:26] like there there is this blurb in a lot

[2:26:28] of job descriptions of other duties as

[2:26:30] assigned, but it's like, oh man, that is a big freaking stretch to have

[2:26:37] this position

[2:26:39] >> also pick up this [snorts] random thing.

[2:26:42] And I think a lot of departments are

[2:26:44] probably in the same boat. You know, if

[2:26:46] we if we could find the ability to do

[2:26:48] that, I' I've got about half of my

[2:26:50] department that's at the max of their

[2:26:52] scale. So, even if there was a way to

[2:26:55] navigate that a little bit, I think

[2:26:57] >> it it it's probably not going to solve

[2:26:59] every situation, but it is we're working

[2:27:02] with council as we're interacting with

[2:27:04] the community. If we can show, hey, when a budget request is coming, it's

[2:27:08] coming after we have exhausted

[2:27:11] >> all these other efforts and

[2:27:13] >> the other opportunities. So,

[2:27:17] >> just something to something to keep in

[2:27:18] mind. I think it's obviously a lot more

[2:27:21] palatable to me to, you know, when it's

[2:27:24] an employee, it comes with all of the

[2:27:27] compounding elements versus when it's

[2:27:30] extra money. We can I'm like, "Oh, okay.

[2:27:34] Yeah, that's totally worth it, right?

[2:27:36] You need the help and it's a band-aid

[2:27:39] maybe, but also maybe it's a just

[2:27:42] something to think about

[2:27:44] >> editing, right?

[2:27:45] >> Sometimes you do or you need a

[2:27:47] transition. good health insurance for

[2:27:49] the council.

[2:27:50] >> Mhm.

[2:27:50] >> So

[2:27:52] >> maybe if you take health insurance, you

[2:27:54] add a little bit. Yeah. 10 hours over

[2:27:56] the police station.

[2:27:57] >> So

[2:27:58] >> yeah.

[2:27:58] >> Okay, cool.

[2:27:59] >> You want to see it out?

[2:28:00] >> What are you saying?

[2:28:01] >> I'm just I'm just saying if I'm just

[2:28:03] saying

[2:28:04] >> um

[2:28:07] I don't know. Whatever you guys think.

[2:28:10] >> I'm thinking if if we could take that

[2:28:12] 140 for council insurance that was

[2:28:14] included, maybe we could fund some of

[2:28:16] these other things that like drones. I

[2:28:18] think the police department should have

[2:28:19] drones.

[2:28:19] >> I think they should have drones.

[2:28:20] >> I really think so, too.

[2:28:22] >> I think they should have drones, and I'm

[2:28:23] okay um not getting insurance, but I

[2:28:27] don't know what how everyone else thinks

[2:28:28] as council, but I think we should think

[2:28:30] about that.

[2:28:31] >> You can anymore you can buy a fairly

[2:28:33] inexpensive drone that has infrared on

[2:28:36] them and picture taken and night vision

[2:28:38] and all that crap, which is stuff they

[2:28:40] would use

[2:28:41] >> and they're not that expensive anymore.

[2:28:43] >> Well, these guys want the ones that can

[2:28:45] carry your body. [laughter] Those funds

[2:28:48] are expensive.

[2:28:49] >> Oh, no. We don't want those.

[2:28:50] >> You don't want space.

[2:28:52] >> I'm just saying I think I think you

[2:28:53] should I think that's an essential thing

[2:28:55] >> for your for your department and

[2:28:57] extension.

[2:28:59] >> They have certain requirements though

[2:29:01] that you have to remember. I mean, we

[2:29:02] got our drone a handful of years ago and

[2:29:04] ours were 10 grand.

[2:29:06] >> Yeah.

[2:29:06] >> For one drone. So, their drone I'd

[2:29:09] imagine is in that 15 to 20 range.

[2:29:12] >> Yeah. DJI is not around.

[2:29:13] >> Does it have tasers on it?

[2:29:14] >> Well, they couldn't get those anyway.

[2:29:18] There's a there's a scary like Chinese

[2:29:20] accent voice where you can talk to

[2:29:22] people

[2:29:25] right now.

[2:29:26] >> Yeah. It's funny cuz

[2:29:28] >> they're worried about critical

[2:29:30] infrastructure.

[2:29:32] >> But he can but he can use it.

[2:29:34] >> He's going to fly the critical

[2:29:36] infrastructure way before we buy it.

[2:29:39] >> I will say this, most agencies are still

[2:29:41] there using DJI anyway.

[2:29:43] >> Yeah, there's training that goes along

[2:29:45] with it, too.

[2:29:46] Oh, you got we purchased our drone 2 3

[2:29:49] years ago and it came with a a classroom

[2:29:53] opportunity. So, me uh one of the GIS

[2:29:58] guys, firefighter went and attended.

[2:30:01] >> And one of the things the Catalyst

[2:30:02] School does have, they have a drone

[2:30:05] program and they're more than willing to

[2:30:07] work with cities to help their students

[2:30:09] get along and they can help you too. And

[2:30:12] we we send one off we have one officer

[2:30:14] that he that he proposed this. We send

[2:30:17] him to a training every year even though

[2:30:18] we don't have the program so that he is

[2:30:21] up to date if we have these guys come

[2:30:24] out that what law enforcement if there

[2:30:26] is restrictions he's aware before we

[2:30:28] just let people

[2:30:29] >> he's been going to driver's ed just in

[2:30:31] case that vehicle comes along.

[2:30:33] >> You have one don't [laughter] you?

[2:30:34] >> Yeah. It seems makes no sense for me for

[2:30:37] you to send a guy that is on duty.

[2:30:39] >> Yes. to go

[2:30:40] >> to go do a thing for the police.

[2:30:42] >> Last time.

[2:30:43] >> Yeah, Farmington Fire has a pretty good

[2:30:45] drone program. We talked about that,

[2:30:46] too.

[2:30:47] >> They do. We we when we had this missing

[2:30:49] person's

[2:30:51] >> fire sent a guy with a drone, we went up

[2:30:53] with our drone and and there was a delay

[2:30:56] obviously from when the need was there

[2:30:58] to when we got there. And we were

[2:31:00] limited in what we could do with our

[2:31:02] drone. It doesn't have all the same

[2:31:04] capabilities.

[2:31:05] >> They use them for accident

[2:31:06] investigations. Well, we learned that

[2:31:07] batteries were important because it was

[2:31:09] kind of a warm day and we went through

[2:31:10] batteries like you would

[2:31:12] >> burn them like crazy. But like

[2:31:14] Department of Public Safety

[2:31:16] as well as UD do like all of the UD do

[2:31:19] um incident response vehicles, those are

[2:31:22] all licensed drone operators and when

[2:31:24] there's an accident, they fly that with

[2:31:26] LAR and they take a 3D model of that

[2:31:30] site immediately.

[2:31:32] >> And and I mean it's amazing. We'd like

[2:31:34] it because we're going to fire uh the

[2:31:37] media if they want to fly their drones,

[2:31:38] but you can't stop them. But soon as our

[2:31:40] drone goes up, theirs has to go down.

[2:31:43] >> So, we fly just for that, too.

[2:31:45] >> Anyway, something.

[2:31:49] » Thanks, Jason.

[2:31:50] >> Thanks, Mayor. Thank you, everybody, for

[2:31:52] all the work. And

[2:31:53] >> you want me to put the drone in the

[2:31:54] budget?

[2:31:56] >> Sounds like

[2:31:57] >> I say yes.

[2:31:58] >> Yes,

[2:31:59] >> I say yes. But

[2:32:02] >> talk mosquito. They just bought a new

[2:32:04] one that does all their surveillance and

[2:32:06] it's a good one and they've got a lot of

[2:32:08] everyone sober.

[2:32:10] >> Do do you need sort of a roll call vote

[2:32:11] for that or are we good?

[2:32:13] >> Um I think this is good. I mean we we'll

[2:32:16] present you know more information and

[2:32:18] then there'll be an ultimate

[2:32:20] >> Yeah.

[2:32:20] >> Okay.

[2:32:21] >> But this has been great. Thank you

[2:32:23] everyone. Thank you especially Marina

[2:32:24] Parker for all the this is just kind of

[2:32:26] the tip of the iceberg of what you're

[2:32:28] seeing and all the work that they did

[2:32:29] behind the scenes to vet so many things

[2:32:32] and think outside of the box. So, Emory,

[2:32:34] >> thank you. Thank you for

[2:32:36] >> Thank you for everything.

[2:32:36] >> Thank you, Emory.

[2:32:39] >> I didn't think that we could go better

[2:32:41] than last night with the sewer district,

[2:32:42] but I think you just delivered

[2:32:48] the grapes and cheese.

[2:32:49] >> So, I think I think we're good to not

[2:32:51] have a meeting uh later this month. We

[2:32:53] had

[2:32:55] >> So, the next uh budget work session

[2:32:57] would be then on Friday, April 17th at

[2:33:00] 9:00. Okay.

[2:33:05] » Great.

[2:33:05] >> Good. Thank you.

[2:33:06] >> All right. Thank you.

[2:33:07] >> Thank you.

[2:33:13] [laughter]

[2:33:16] » Yeah. Fair.

[2:33:18] >> I'm a fire

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