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show at 10:00 to go.
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>> And we got to fix that clock. It's off
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by a minute. Man, [clears throat]
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» good morning everyone and welcome. Uh we
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will call this regular meeting of the
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Lawrence Board of Commissioners to
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order. Today is uh Tuesday, January 6 of
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2026.
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An adjustment on our
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>> agenda.
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A lot of us are doing that uh this time
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of year. We always uh start our meeting
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with the pledge of allegiance. Then if
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we could remain standing for a moment of
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silence and Commissioner Kennedy, could
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you lead us in the pledge?
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>> I aliance to the flag of the United
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States of America and to the republic
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for which it stands. One nation under
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God, indivisible, liberty and justice
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for all.
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>> We'll have a moment of silence, please.
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Thank you all very much. Uh Vanessa,
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could you call the role, please?
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>> Commissioner Sado,
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>> yes. Here.
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>> Commissioner Kennedy
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>> here.
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>> Commissioner
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>> here. We have a quorum. Uh
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ask everybody to put their cell phones
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on silent if you wouldn't mind. And uh
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right now we have no members of the
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public in the audience. for that matter.
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We we have no audience right now, but if
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anybody should come in, we'll give uh
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we'll give opportunities for public
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comment
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and should also [clears throat] just for
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the record note that we're live
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streaming this meeting and that it's
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being recorded.
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Uh we often we always give time for any
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of our role officers, but none of them
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are here today and that's all right.
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They don't have to be. And again at this
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point we have no members of the public.
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So we move on to uh fiscal and
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contractual. We do have a repository uh
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property that has been submitted to us
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by the tax claim office. This is a
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parcel in Palaski Township uh
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specifically
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uh 798 Rainer Road. Parcel ID number
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29-901065.
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The uh bidder is Bruce Rener. He made a
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$500 bid on this parcel
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and uh
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the Palaski Township supervisors voted
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to accept the bid on December 19 of
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2025. Also, the uh Wilmington Area
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School Board voted likewise on December
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uh 11 of 2025. So, that now leaves it to
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us. This is resolution one, I assume,
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>> of 2026.
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So, I will open it for you gentlemen. Uh
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if either of you wish to make a motion,
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>> I'll make a motion. We accept the bid
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and I'll second it.
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>> Thank you so much, Chris or Dan. Any
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concerns or comments? Hearing none,
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we'll ask Vanessa to call the role.
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>> Commissioner Senado,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Kennedy,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Bour,
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>> yes.
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>> Motion carries.
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>> Thank you. Also in our packet, we have
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the warrant register from uh December 29
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of 2025. It's also known as the check
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reconciliation register. It's been
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submitted to us by the county
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controllers's office. I'll give my
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colleagues whatever time they need to
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look it over. And once you've done so, I would certainly entertain a motion for us to accept uh this document.
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» I'll make that motion and I'll second
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the motion.
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>> Thank you both. Uh any concerns,
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gentlemen? Hearing none. Vanessa, could
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you call the role, please? Commissioner
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Sanado,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Kennedy,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Bogler,
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>> yes.
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>> Motion carries.
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>> Thank you. Also in our packet, we have
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the uh minutes of our
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Tuesday, December 30 uh commissioners
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meeting. I'll again give my colleagues
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time to review them and
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when they've done so, uh would entertain
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a motion for us to adopt the minutes.
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I'll make that motion.
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>> I'll second that motion.
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>> I thank you both. Any questions or
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concerns regarding the minutes? Uh if
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not, we'll ask Vanessa to call the RO,
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please.
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>> Commissioner Sotto,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Kennedy,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Vogore,
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>> yes.
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>> Motion carries.
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>> Thank you. One document, one one piece
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of written correspondence has come in to
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us that we'll enter into the record.
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It's dated December 22 of 2025. It is
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sent to us by RA
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Engineering, which is based here in
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Lawrence County. uh on behalf of Three
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Rivers Aggregate. This project is uh the
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Old Ash Mine and they're letting us know
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that they are submitting uh uh a
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document to the uh uh Department of
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Environmental Protection.
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This is uh for permitting an
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approximately 126.4 4 acre non-coal sand
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and gravel surface mine
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uh on properties in both uh well and
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here it specifically does say in
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Lawrence County Plane Grove Township.
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[laughter]
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Uh the proposed permit area is located
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west of West Park Road and north of
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Corey Road. Again, that's out in Plane
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Road Township. again they will be
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applying to the D.
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The law requires that we be notified of
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this and uh I would imagine that the
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township of Plane Grove the supervisors
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out there have also received this
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document. Um any concerns or discussion
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gentlemen?
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Would one of you wish to make a motion
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for us to accept this uh correspondence?
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I'll make a motion we accept the
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correspondence and I'll second. Thank
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you both. And if there are no other
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concerns, we can ask for a roll call.
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>> Commissioner Sonado,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Kennedy,
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>> yes.
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>> Commissioner Cogler,
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>> yes.
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>> Motion carries.
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>> Thank you very much.
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>> Uh reports. Uh Commissioner reports and
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comments. Mr. Sonata, you're first
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today.
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>> Well, I'm just going to uh pass this
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week chairman. I mean, it's a one that
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we've had. I haven't been able to attend
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very much. So looking forward to uh
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meeting with the commissioners from
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Mercer County next Tuesday. I know we
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have our quarterly meeting and as always
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been helpful to us because I think we
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have such a good working relationship
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with the three commissioners from Mercer
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County and Lawrence and Mercer have a
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lot of things in common and I know the
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past two years I think we've had a good
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working relationship and it's been
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positive for us. So, that's what I'm
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looking forward to next Tuesday. And
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also on Monday, uh we're going to be
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heading up to the Indiana County uh to
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meet with the whole region from uh the
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Northwest sector. Um and I just think
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that's very helpful to us as well. Uh
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many of our counties have similar
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interests and uh it's important we
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develop those relationships with the commissioners in the Northwest.
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And we've been very fortunate because as
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we said many times, Mr. chairman. Uh
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Morris County has both a northwest
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[clears throat] and a southwest we're
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members of and uh we've developed good
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working relationships. I know you have
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over the years and uh with your guidance
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uh you introduced us to some very
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important people that's been helpful to
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us in Lawrence County, especially
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Commissioner Kennedy down in the
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southwest. He's made many visits uh to
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deal with economic development. So
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that's pretty much all I have.
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>> Thank you, sir. Uh, I'll turn it over to
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Commissioner Kennedy for
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>> couple things. One, yesterday was a
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historic day around here. Um, and we uh
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I'll start trying to look out. U we we
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had swearing in of three new judges and
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our new sheriff in town. So,
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plus uh the other three that got sworn
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in again. So, proud of them. Glad they
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stepped up their plate.
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We got some good people in the
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courthouse. It's nice. Uh second thing
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is you forgot about this one. Next week
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we get to go to act state.
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>> That's right.
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>> Um so uh hopefully we'll get to go down
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there after they win on Monday night.
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We'll uh we're going down to talk about
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the NFL draft 2026. Get some more
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information on that and what they what
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help they're going to need from Orange
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County. I think is one of the topical
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discussions we're going to hear next
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week. So I already talked to Vince about
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that new sheriff and he's well aware
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they've already
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that'll be an interesting day for us to
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see what's going on. Besides that,
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that's all I have. I'm embarrassed to
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ask this question, but you two probably
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know this meeting uh regarding the
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draft. Is it specifically for county
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commissioners or have they invited
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tourism people, economic development
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people? I can't recall.
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>> I I thought it was just addressed to us.
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>> I think it is to us. I know that uh our
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Lawrence tour is very well aware and are
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working with them.
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>> Yeah. I said on that board and I think
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it's just for us because you know it's
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the whole region all 10 of us.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And uh you know the goal is is
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Commissioner Kennedy stated, we want to
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tap into any resources we can here in
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county. And I know that Janet Jenny has
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reached out to them as far as any
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activities in Lawrence County
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drugs. I mean, because you're talking
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tens of thousands of people coming in
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for that event. So, I want you I commend
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our local tourist promotion agency for
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being very active, proactive on this
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issue. And uh you I'm glad that uh Danny
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talked to our sheriff because that's
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going to involve uh law law enforcement.
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It's also going to involve uh you know
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EMS and everything just because they've
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given us the guidelines. But you know
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what? We want to be prepared because
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hey, Lawrence County is part of that
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region. You may be farther out, but
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there are people that don't want to stay
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right in the city and that's the
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opportunity we have.
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>> The big thing is they don't have enough
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rooms at the city for everybody. So they
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got to rely on me in all areas. I know
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Debbie watcher yesterday asked me about
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it and she said find out if I can go
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with you guys. So I'm going to reach out
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and see if she like to do an article on
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it. What it's going to do to affect us.
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>> It's good. You're both absolutely right.
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I I look for our hotels here in the
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county to be filled. I would imagine.
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Well, thank you both. Uh, I have just a
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couple other items to talk about beyond
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what you gentlemen have brought up. Uh,
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Dan was absolutely right. Yesterday
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uh was historic in this county. We've
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never in the history of Lawrence County
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had three judges sworn in at one time.
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For that matter, I don't believe we've
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ever had two at the same time. So, it
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was certainly uh historic for the for
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the county. Um, I will note that uh on a positive note, we've been invited
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uh this coming Friday to attend a ribbon
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cutting ceremony at the Wilson Lumber
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Company out in Machanic Township.
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They're opening their new facility and I
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believe they're expanding. Yes.
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>> Uh which is a good thing. We're real pleased [laughter] about that. And
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uh as uh was noted by my colleague uh
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Commissioner
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Sonata
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uh next Tuesday, week from today at 1:30
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we will have the quarterly meeting of
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the West Central Job Partnership
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Governing Board and we rotate the board
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consists of the three of us and the
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three Mercer County commissioners and we
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move back and forth. So, next week's
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meeting, it's our turn to host. And that
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meeting will be here in this room at
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1:30 on the 13th of January, open to the
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public. And we'll be uh electing a new
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chair. I believe I've served as chair
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for the last two years. And we again we
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rotate that as well. So, one of the
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Mercer County Commissioners, it will be
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up to them to determine who will who
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will now chair that board. Uh final
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thing that I have is that we were we
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were advised by the Commonwealth of the
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uh bid thresholds
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uh for for public contracts and
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purchases each year. It changes based
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upon the consumer price index. So for uh
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according to the state rules we will
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adhere to contracts or purchases under
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13,200
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require no formal bidding or price
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quotations.
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Contracts or purchases between 13,200
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and $24,500
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require three written or andor
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telephonic price quotes. And then
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finally, contracts or purchases greater
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than $24,500
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require formal bidding and public
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notice. I and and Dan, help me with I'll
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give that to you. You probably have it,
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but
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>> I do.
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>> If I'm not mistaken, this applies to
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counties and burrows, townships, and
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cities. This would be applicable to our
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local municipalities. They're in a
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state.
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>> Okay. Thank you for confirming that.
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Alrighty. Well, this is uh this is uh
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this doesn't happen very often, but as
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[clears throat] we sit here today at
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first meeting of the new year, we
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actually have no new resolutions for
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consideration.
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Um, of course, the holidays uh added to
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that. Vanessa, do we have things lined
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up for next week yet?
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>> I have one.
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>> Okay,
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>> that's it.
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>> Okay. And I'm sure some more will come
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in, but uh this doesn't happen very
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often. We have no new business for for
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us to vote on which actually drops us
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down to announcements and we've touched
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on some of these already. This board
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will meet again on a week from today,
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Tuesday, January 13 at 10:00 a.m. in
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this room. It's open to the public. We
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noted the West Central Job Partnership
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Governing Board meeting. Also, a week
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from today at 1:30 in this room, open to
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the public. The Lawrence County Planning
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Commission is scheduled to meet one week
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from tomorrow, uh, Wednesday, January 14
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at noon at the Weber's Catering location
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on US Route 422 in Shenango Township.
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Not the Weber's Catering up in
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Wilmington Township. This is the one in
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Shenango Township. And that meeting is
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open to the public.
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Speaking of public, we open the floor
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for public comments, but we'll note for
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the record there are no members of the
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public in attendance. And so I'll ask uh
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my fellow commissioners if they have any
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closing concerns or remarks. Mr. Sonat,
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the only thing I'll do I'll emphasize
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what both of you said. It was historic
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here yesterday and it was good to see
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Judge McCome. Yeah. Here uh you know
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he's very well respected in the
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community. may have health issues, but
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he looks great and it was nice to see
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him back. And I wish our other judges,
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Judge Aker and Judge Hodge, the best in
[16:28]
their retirement or semi-retirement. I
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think Judge H is going to come see their
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judge now. So, right. And Judge always
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good to see Judge M. And I think the
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three judges that got elected are going
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to do a good job up there. And I think
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it was stressed yesterday, chairman,
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that uh we've had a very good working
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relationship with the judges in the past
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and uh we look forward to that same
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relationship going forward with the
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three new judges. I I would I would
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certainly agree. And before I jump to
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Dan here, I'll note that uh this morning
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at about 20 to 8, uh Judge Flannry
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walked in the door getting ready to
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start his day. And uh we asked him, we
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said, "What's on your agenda today?" and
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he said, "We have a uh an assessment
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appeal uh that started at 9:30. In fact,
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our solicitor is in court right now with Judge Flannry." So, but he was here
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bright and early and I'm sure the other
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two judges rolled in early as well and
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of course, Judge Cox. Uh Dan, closing
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comments? The only one I have is to talk
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briefly about Wilson Lumber. The nice
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thing is they could have went to Mercer
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County. They had property up there, but
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they stayed in Lawrence County. So, we
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have to suggest to them, thank you for
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staying here in Lawrence County. It's
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going to be a nice operation up there
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for them. So, be interesting to see what
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all they've done because I've got to
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watch it grow.
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>> Yeah.
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>> As I've gone by every day, but be
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interested and see what they've done.
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>> Is that the old Newcastle battery site?
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>> Yes.
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>> That's what I thought.
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>> Oh, that reminds me real quick. And I I
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we may have talked about it last
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Tuesday, but I'm not sure. Uh but it's
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been announced that uh a colleague of
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ours from Bonango County, County
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Commissioner Chip Abramovic
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has been named uh the new director of
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Forward Lawrence and we know Mr. Kennedy
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serves on that board. Excuse me.
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Mr. Kennedy serves on that board and uh
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Commissioner Abramovic is going to start
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I believe in early February
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>> February third
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>> and uh I've known Chip I think he's in
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his third term now as a commissioner so
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he and I have been acquainted for if I
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do the math about 10 years and you
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gentlemen have gotten to know him over
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the last two years. Uh he'll bring a lot
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to the table. He's energetic. Uh he's
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wellconed.
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uh he uh uh
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was chair for a number of years of the
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Northwest Regional Planning Commission
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and uh equally important uh this is
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where his statewide connections come in.
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He was uh active in the has been active
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in the state county commissioners
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association in leadership uh vice chair president. He's held all the all
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the important seats in statewide
[19:22]
leadership. So, I think it was an
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excellent choice and we're all going to
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work with him. You'll work with him most
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closely since you're on the board. But,
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uh, I commend forward Lawrence for uh,
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an excellent choice. I don't know if you
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gentlemen have more to ask.
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>> The only thing I can say is, you know, I
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met Chip at my daughter's wedding at the
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Alman Hotel in downtown Pittsburgh in
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the elevator. uh didn't know who he was,
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but him and I got talking on the
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elevator when we were going down and and
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I said, "I just gotten elected in the
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primaries of county commissioner
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Lawrence County." He said, "That's funny
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because I'm a county commissioner in
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Bernango County." So, we hit it off
[20:00]
pretty good and Chip and I have fast
[20:02]
become good friends. He's a good guy. I
[20:05]
think u he's already got his boots on
[20:08]
ground. He's he's I heard from him
[20:10]
yesterday. um today he might show up
[20:13]
here. We don't know yet, but he he said
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if he gets done up there early, he's
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gonna show up this afternoon and we're
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going to start going around and visit
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some people and get him introduced to
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Lawrence County pretty quick in the next
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month. So when he hits February 3rd,
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he's ready to go.
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He'll be well prepared. So thank you for
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that information. And Chris, any other
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comments? I just like to say I met him
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two years ago and you introduced us when
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we went off to the county and I've had a
[20:43]
good chance to meet with him but you
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also mentioned he was very active in the
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national association commission right
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which I'm trying to play play somewhat
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of a role as well as representing us
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that group and uh you know I spent some
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time with Chip and Nico last year and he
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is well connected Washington DC as well
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I think that's going to pay dividends I
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commend forwardlords uh I I know it's an
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extensive search. They're looking for
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the best person possible. And you know,
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Chip, reading his resume, it's quite
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impressive. I didn't even know some of
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the things that he has done or served
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that until I actually read the paper
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because he's very humble individual, but
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uh he knows what has to be done. And I
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think that's what you need and you need
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a fresh set of eyeships.
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I think Ben Bush did a very good job at
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that. he came in uh and I think Chip is
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going to follow in his footsteps as far
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as uh you know seeing the ways of
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helping and he understands local
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government, he understands state
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government, federal government. So I
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think those are the important thing. You
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got to develop those relationships and
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we've got to all be on the same team
[21:48]
moving forward. I think he brings that
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to the table. I know you've known him
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the longest and you spoke quite highly
[21:55]
of him when we first introduced us to
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him and I think I think it's a good
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choice and I know he's enthused and
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that's what you need right now. So I
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think prayer and I thank you both
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gentlemen. Uh Joe or Vanessa anything
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we've uh forgotten
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>> everything's well with you I hope it is
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>> good to hear. Well, we thank you all
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again. We did not have any folks from
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the public today, but uh there being no
[22:23]
other business to be brought before the
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court, may I have an adjournment motion?
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I'll make that motion and I'll second.
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>> Thank you both. All those in favor,
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please say I. I oppose. Same sign.
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Motion carried. We are ajourned. Thank
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you all.
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>> Joe, you think you can keep it this way
[22:35]
all [clears throat] year? [laughter]
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» We had to stretch it out. We don't want
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you around 15 [clears throat] minutes.
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>> I can get rid of some resolutions.
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>> [laughter]
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>> Now listen and and you know we saw