[1:33] your worship we're good to go for 7 p.m

[1:35] we're live now

[2:30] i can get the remainder of council to

[2:32] come on screen we can start things right

[2:34] off at seven o'clock

[2:56] with that welcome at seven o'clock now

[2:58] so welcome everyone welcome to this the

[3:02] 58th session of council

[3:04] on monday november the 22nd it is now 7

[3:07] p.m i welcome everyone this is a virtual

[3:11] meeting so i remind everyone that

[3:13] even though it is a virtual meeting the

[3:15] municipal conflict of interest act the

[3:17] council's rules of procedures code of

[3:19] conduct and other pertinent legislation

[3:21] apply as if this were an in-person

[3:23] meeting

[3:24] as it is an in-person media virtual

[3:27] meeting

[3:28] if any member of council's connection to

[3:30] the internet or to this meeting is lost

[3:33] or disrupted

[3:34] we will pause for a few minutes to allow

[3:36] that member to connect and uh

[3:42] if they cannot connect within a few

[3:44] minutes

[3:45] assuming we still have quorum we will

[3:47] continue the meeting out anyways

[3:51] with that as i say the meeting has been

[3:52] called to order right there was no

[3:55] closed session today

[3:57] so we shall move into the playing of the

[3:59] national anthem i will ask everyone to

[4:00] turn off their screens while the clerk

[4:02] prepares that

[4:15] [Music]

[4:18] so

[4:21] [Music]

[4:44] [Applause]

[4:49] [Music]

[5:49] welcome we acknowledge that we are being

[5:51] hosted on the ancestral lands of the

[5:54] haudenosaunee mississaugi and omami

[5:57] winini peoples

[5:58] we acknowledge and welcome the presence

[6:00] of all indigenous peoples including the

[6:02] metis inui and other first nations from

[6:05] across this vast land who also makes

[6:07] this place home

[6:08] the lands we are on today are recognized

[6:11] in the two row wampum ditched with one

[6:13] spoon treaty treaty 27 and the crawford

[6:16] purchase

[6:24] once again welcome ladies and gentlemen

[6:26] and

[6:27] i'm just a

[6:29] housekeeping item you'll note that we

[6:31] have an open forum and then two public

[6:34] meetings and i do note that we have

[6:35] quite a few attendees this evening i'm

[6:37] assuming those are for the public

[6:39] meetings uh so i would remind people

[6:42] that the first section is the open forum

[6:45] where we invite people

[6:47] to we all we set aside the first 15

[6:50] minutes for the open forum and any

[6:52] individual may address council to voice

[6:54] an opinion on subjects of municipal

[6:56] concern

[6:57] excluding matters subject to the public

[6:59] meeting which is the second piece

[7:02] and

[7:03] notices hereby provided that under the

[7:05] authority of the municipal act and in

[7:07] accordance with the munici ontario's

[7:08] municipal freedom of information and

[7:10] protection of privacy act all

[7:13] information provided for or at our open

[7:16] forum public meetings or other public

[7:18] process are considered part of the

[7:20] public record

[7:22] the list township meetings are being

[7:23] held virtually and anyone wishing to

[7:25] speak

[7:26] in this open forum

[7:28] is asked to contact the township clerk

[7:31] to register in advance to make those

[7:33] arrangements

[7:35] with that i will ask if there's anyone

[7:38] in the audience who wishes to speak in

[7:40] the open forum not with regard to the

[7:42] items coming shortly within the public

[7:45] meetings

[7:47] madam clerk do we have anyone that

[7:49] pre-registered

[7:50] uh no i don't believe we did uh your

[7:52] worship i see one hand up from uh jeanne

[7:56] hudasen

[7:57] i'm just not sure whether they wish to

[7:59] speak up so i'll just allow or to oops

[8:02] hold on here

[8:04] if this whodayson wishes there she is

[8:09] welcome mr jason can you hear me

[8:18] welcome mr jason if you if you may be

[8:21] able to hear me but you're currently

[8:22] muted so we can't hear you

[8:25] if you can unmute

[8:28] and i see

[8:29] joe and gene hudayson

[8:32] might be the same family hi joe hi gene

[8:36] if you can hear me and you can unmute

[8:39] you are welcome to speak to the open

[8:41] forum

[8:47] we can see your hands

[8:48] but we can't hear you at this point

[8:54] and now we have joe hudson

[8:57] also muted

[9:01] madame clerk is there something we can

[9:03] do to help them unmute

[9:05] um i've asked

[9:07] all i can do is ask for them to unmute

[9:09] i've allowed them to speak

[9:14] we appear to be having some technical

[9:16] glitch i'm sure the houdaisians are

[9:18] wishing to speak

[9:20] but at this point we can't hear them

[9:22] again i don't know if they can hear me

[9:24] at this point

[9:25] right

[9:27] uh if they would like to email i can try

[9:30] and set them up uh to see what the issue

[9:33] is if they'd like to uh email info at

[9:37] loyalist.ca

[9:38] we can try and get them working

[9:42] okay and

[9:44] again i'm not sure if mr and mrs hadeson

[9:47] were able to hear that message

[9:49] perhaps if we could get them to

[9:52] take down their raised hand

[9:55] it would indicate that they're hearing

[9:56] us

[9:58] and mr mrsudasan have taken down their

[10:00] raised hand which means i believe they

[10:02] are here and present and wishing to

[10:04] speak but unable to to unmute

[10:08] with that

[10:10] if they've

[10:11] and they're now turning off their uh

[10:13] their screens they're disconnecting

[10:17] so i'm assuming i'm going to have to

[10:19] assume that they're going to connect to

[10:22] the clerk through the info at

[10:24] loyalist.ca

[10:28] and i do see another hand here for mr

[10:30] peter field if you'd like to come on

[10:32] perhaps the huday sins that will be able

[10:34] to

[10:35] arrange their connection and we'll come

[10:37] to them secondly mr peter field like to

[10:39] come forward

[10:44] mr field can you hear us

[10:46] we can hear you can you hear us we can

[10:48] hear you thank you for the record can i

[10:50] get you to state your name and address

[10:52] please uh peter field one teagan court

[10:57] welcome sir ontario

[10:59] thank you welcome sir

[11:02] i'd like to say good to see you again

[11:03] but

[11:04] i can't see you right this moment uh but

[11:06] if you have something to uh bring to

[11:08] council we would um well i'm not sure

[11:10] when the clerk said that there was no um

[11:14] advanced

[11:15] people for the

[11:17] to speak i thought we were supposed to

[11:18] be on the agenda tonight as the

[11:20] agricultural society

[11:22] uh under delegations we do have ms

[11:25] kimberly representing the uh odessa

[11:28] agricultural society yes florence is

[11:30] here with me okay that's fine we can

[11:32] wait till then okay that is a formal

[11:34] delegation so she will be able to speak

[11:36] at that time okay thank you okay thank

[11:38] you

[11:39] and in the meantime

[11:41] has uh mr dason or mr hudayson been able

[11:45] to connect

[11:48] i can see gene hudayson's connecting

[11:52] if you're able to take it off mute we

[11:54] would be glad to hear what you've got to

[11:57] say

[12:03] unless we can find another way to do

[12:05] this i don't think we're going to be

[12:07] able to hear mr and mrs whodayson's

[12:10] comments this evening

[12:13] giving trying to give them a little more

[12:14] time to connect or to figure out how to

[12:17] unmute is there anyone else in the

[12:19] audience who wishes to speak during the

[12:21] open forum

[12:22] not regarding the items under the the

[12:25] public meetings

[12:29] i'm seeing no other hands

[12:36] and mr jason

[12:44] unfortunately i can't

[12:46] seem to connect with uh

[12:48] mr mrs davison right now

[12:51] and hopefully they will be able to

[12:53] connect with us

[12:54] and provide that information whatever

[12:56] they wish to to bring forward uh through

[12:58] the clerk madam clerk

[13:00] we are uh monitoring the info uh email

[13:03] so we'll just if we can connect we will

[13:06] try and get them on

[13:08] thank you

[13:09] if they are able to reconnect

[13:12] at that time i will ask council if uh

[13:14] depending on where we are in the council

[13:16] meeting if they will allow that to uh

[13:19] to you know suspend the rules of

[13:21] procedure to allow them to present

[13:23] because they have made an effort to

[13:24] present this evening

[13:26] with that we will move forward if

[13:28] there's no one else for the open forum

[13:31] i'm seeing no

[13:32] others

[13:34] oh

[13:35] and we are moving into the public

[13:38] meetings

[13:41] the first public meeting

[13:43] with regard to 1315 main street odessa

[13:46] from nrk development

[13:48] public meeting is being held in

[13:50] accordance with the provisions of

[13:51] section 1715 3412 and 5120 of the

[13:54] planning act rso 1990 to consider an

[13:58] amendment to the loyalist township

[13:59] official plan amendment to the

[14:01] comprehensive zoning bylaw

[14:04] 2001-38 as amended and the plan of

[14:08] subdivision

[14:11] proposed subdivision seeks approval for

[14:13] a draft plan

[14:14] draft plan of subdivision consisting of

[14:16] three

[14:17] i'm going to skip over that part you can

[14:20] all read that okay

[14:22] council shall hear in person or by his

[14:25] or her counsel solicitor or agent any

[14:27] person who who claims to be affected by

[14:30] this application

[14:32] all right i will first turn to the

[14:34] director

[14:36] the director does the staff have

[14:38] anything to add to the

[14:40] report that we have before us at the

[14:42] time at this time

[14:45] uh through you you worship uh there's

[14:47] nothing to add to the report no uh but i

[14:50] believe the applicant's consultant uh is

[14:53] presenting tonight so if your uh

[14:56] worship agrees uh it probably should be

[14:59] the next presentation

[15:01] absolutely the applicant's consultant

[15:03] for this is

[15:05] mr cunningham

[15:09] i don't know

[15:11] miss tucker

[15:16] is the is the applicant or the

[15:17] applicant's consultant available to

[15:19] speak to us

[15:20] and we have ms tucker yes

[15:25] good evening council marin council my

[15:28] name is tracy tucker i'm with ibi group

[15:30] and i'm going to

[15:32] present uh

[15:33] the

[15:34] application before you for 315 main

[15:36] street

[15:38] uh i just need to share my screen

[15:57] so we're here today about the proposed

[16:00] resident potential development at 315

[16:03] main street odessa

[16:14] there we go uh so it is located at the

[16:16] corner of county road to shane street

[16:19] and hensey street

[16:20] um with

[16:22] frontage on all three streets

[16:26] um right now the lands are currently

[16:28] vacant with residential on the

[16:32] east

[16:33] sorry the west south and

[16:36] vacant looks like farmland and

[16:37] agricultural on the north and

[16:40] north of the site

[16:43] so currently the lands have a low

[16:45] density residential designation on them

[16:48] and

[16:49] the proposal is to

[16:51] move them to a medium density

[16:53] residential designation to prevent the

[16:55] development as proposed

[16:58] so previously back in 2019 we had

[17:01] submitted an application for draft plan

[17:03] of subdivision

[17:05] which included medium density town

[17:07] houses in this area in this area a

[17:11] public right-of-way which would have

[17:13] gone from hensey street to shane street

[17:16] and a medium density apartment building

[17:18] once we received comments back from

[17:20] staff and feedback from the original

[17:23] public meetings

[17:24] we have revised the plan and we've

[17:28] put townhouse units fronting straight on

[17:31] to hensey and shane street

[17:34] there's 14

[17:36] town houses as well as a 22 unit

[17:38] apartment building which will have

[17:40] frontage on

[17:41] highway 2 as well as on

[17:45] shane street

[17:46] the there is no will be no access from

[17:49] highway 2 as

[17:50] uh it's not permitted at this time and

[17:52] then there's also a stormwater

[17:54] management pond proposed which will

[17:57] help with all the runoff

[17:59] or potential runoff from the site

[18:01] controlling it before it goes out into

[18:02] the existing ditch system

[18:07] so currently the low the official plan

[18:09] that

[18:10] permits low density residential which is

[18:12] single detached dwelling semi-detached

[18:14] dwellings

[18:15] with a total density of 31 units per

[18:18] hectare

[18:20] um and the

[18:22] medium density permits the low density

[18:24] uses triplexes cluster row housing

[18:28] street fronting townhouses low-rise

[18:30] apartments to a maximum

[18:31] 60 units per hectare with a maximum of

[18:34] four stories

[18:35] and we are proposing to put

[18:38] street fronting townhouses a low-rise

[18:40] apartment which is three stories in

[18:42] height and a

[18:44] total net density for the entire site of

[18:47] 48.4 units per net hectare

[18:49] which removes is

[18:51] basically the lands that are being

[18:53] developed with residential so doesn't

[18:55] include the lands of the storm water

[18:56] management pond

[18:58] in that calculation

[19:02] so originally this is what was proposed

[19:04] for the site there was 24

[19:08] units in the apartment building

[19:10] and there was

[19:11] 16 units with frontage onto the proposed

[19:15] public road

[19:17] so we are now proposing a 22 unit

[19:20] apartment building

[19:22] same footprint we're just reducing the

[19:24] number of units in it uh there's a lot

[19:26] more amenity space we've provided

[19:28] children's amenity space

[19:30] and we've also

[19:31] included 14 uh townhouses which are

[19:35] i believe they were approximately

[19:38] 2100 square feet in size

[19:41] two stories in height

[19:46] so the proposed

[19:49] apartment building hasn't changed in

[19:51] terms of the looks of it

[19:54] although this will all be dealt with the

[19:57] actual details of which will be dealt

[19:58] with through the site plan process in

[20:00] the future once

[20:02] approved

[20:05] so currently the lands are a residential

[20:07] type five zone

[20:09] which permits the existing

[20:11] which existing permissions permit street

[20:13] fronting townhouses and the low-rise

[20:15] apartment dwelling

[20:17] this doesn't align with the official

[20:18] plan um

[20:21] which

[20:22] doesn't permit these uses in the low

[20:23] density use but the zoning permits them

[20:25] as of right

[20:28] um so we were proposing to

[20:30] modify the existing zoning bylaw to

[20:33] permit these uses

[20:35] including some lot area

[20:37] uh reductions minor reductions are still

[20:40] meeting all the setbacks with exception

[20:44] of the exterior side yard on one unit

[20:47] and the front yards we've asked for it

[20:49] to be six meters which accommodates the

[20:51] driveway as well as four and a half

[20:52] meters to the house so your driveway

[20:54] your garage face is actually pushed back

[20:57] from the front of the house

[21:00] and then

[21:01] through staff we were asked to

[21:03] propose an amendment to the

[21:05] maximum

[21:06] lot coverage for the internal units to

[21:09] allow for future sheds to be placed in

[21:11] these rear yards

[21:13] um

[21:15] so we've gone up to 51 there the corner

[21:17] and end units would still comply with

[21:19] the additional five percent for the

[21:21] sheds

[21:22] and we've also provided additional rear

[21:24] yard space

[21:26] from what the current by-law proposes

[21:28] so because we were requesting amendments

[21:30] to the zoning bylaw that triggered the

[21:33] official plan amendment

[21:37] and the

[21:38] for the apartment building were

[21:40] requesting a reduction of the front yard

[21:42] from seven and a half meters to six

[21:44] meters

[21:45] and uh parking to be located 1.5 meters

[21:48] from the street line and this is to

[21:50] capture a pinch point at the north what

[21:54] northeast corner of the site

[21:56] most parking will be outside of the

[21:58] three meters with exception of the one

[22:00] pinch point on site

[22:04] so we have heard some public concerns

[22:07] about the

[22:08] about flooding the increases to density

[22:10] and the traffic that will be generated

[22:12] from this site

[22:14] um

[22:15] the flood

[22:16] flooding and drainage we do understand

[22:18] that is an existing ongoing issue in

[22:20] this area

[22:21] due to the bedrock and the

[22:24] lack of storm source so the ditches have

[22:26] been seen to overflow our site does have

[22:30] to implement a stormwater management

[22:32] pond which will

[22:34] address any flooding issues that would

[22:36] have resulted from this proposed

[22:37] development

[22:39] so

[22:40] we will be containing and we have to

[22:41] contain pre pre to post so we have to

[22:45] contain all flood

[22:47] and all water before it goes back into

[22:49] the into the municipal ditches

[22:51] to the same extent that it would be

[22:53] today and we've actually i believe

[22:56] made it better with because we've

[22:58] increased the size of the pond to allow

[22:59] for additional

[23:01] storage on site in those major events

[23:04] the increase in density on the site so

[23:07] as

[23:08] previously noted the zoning bylaw

[23:10] actually permitted the uses of the

[23:12] medium density

[23:14] and would have permitted

[23:16] the uses as of right

[23:18] it's a minor increase in density we're

[23:20] not actually asking for an amendment by

[23:22] going to the medium density

[23:25] um

[23:26] previously we had asked for an

[23:28] additional

[23:30] density increase but we've now reduced

[23:32] the number of units on site and we are

[23:36] were allocated previously to have 36

[23:39] units for servicing and that's what we

[23:41] have proposed on site now

[23:43] and the increase in traffic as a

[23:47] we have done a traffic study for this

[23:49] site

[23:51] and it found that the

[23:52] increase in traffic would be

[23:54] not

[23:55] negatively impacting the existing

[23:58] traffic flows in the area

[24:03] so again this is our revised plan so we

[24:05] did the storm water management pond is

[24:07] here and it is approximately

[24:10] uh 1200 square meters and

[24:14] the amount so we have amenity space now

[24:16] across the entire

[24:18] frontage here as well as each of these

[24:20] townhouses have a significantly

[24:23] large backyard

[24:25] for

[24:26] what a townhouse would normally have

[24:30] and the this is for the proposed draft

[24:32] plan of subdivision

[24:35] uh so there's three blocks which would

[24:36] include the three the three townhouses

[24:38] as well as the

[24:40] block for the

[24:42] um

[24:43] apartment building and there's also a

[24:45] road widening of three meters and

[24:49] about three meters on both shane street

[24:50] and hensey street which is part of why

[24:53] we've asked for the additional

[24:55] setback to six meters from seven and a

[24:57] half for the apartment building because

[24:59] we have given a three meter widening so

[25:01] we are

[25:02] significantly set back we're still nine

[25:04] meters from where the road currently is

[25:06] today and that road widening

[25:08] will likely just be grass in this area

[25:14] in the future if the city or the

[25:15] township does choose to actually widen

[25:18] this road or urbanize this road

[25:20] there may be sidewalks located within

[25:22] that area but for now it would just

[25:23] remain as is today

[25:28] and that's our presentation thank you

[25:32] thank you very much miss tucker

[25:34] and if i can get you to stop sharing

[25:35] your screen first

[25:37] yep i'm just trying to find the button

[25:38] to do that

[25:51] why is it not

[25:59] there we go

[26:00] thank you very much

[26:01] and so thank you for that presentation

[26:04] and uh before i go to the public i will

[26:06] ask council if they have any questions

[26:08] of you at this time

[26:10] council any questions for the consultant

[26:13] for this project

[26:17] i'm seeing none

[26:19] then we'll move to the the open part

[26:22] this is a public meeting we would ask

[26:24] any attendees who wish to speak to the

[26:27] 315 main street odessa application uh to

[26:31] please use the raise hand signal

[26:34] and the clerk will

[26:36] in some sequence invite you in and ask

[26:39] you to speak

[26:43] hey mr cunningham i will allow to speak

[26:51] welcome mr cunningham if you can hear me

[26:53] i would ask that you unmute and then

[26:55] give us your full name and address and

[26:58] then uh tell us your thoughts

[27:01] uh doug cunningham i live a country club

[27:04] drive in bath ontario

[27:07] and i'm here regarding the 496 main

[27:09] street that's what i would like to talk

[27:11] about

[27:12] okay that that will be the second public

[27:14] meeting so i'll ask the clerk to uh

[27:16] let you back into the uh the waiting

[27:18] area if you will okay thanks and we'll

[27:21] bring you in at that time

[27:24] adam clerk are there others here to

[27:26] speak specifically to the 315 main

[27:29] street odessa application

[27:35] let's see mr hilson

[27:48] and i see that bob hilson has come in

[27:51] again mr hilson welcome and we ask that

[27:53] you uh unmute i think you have already

[27:55] and uh tell us your your name and

[27:58] address and then share your thoughts

[27:59] with us

[28:00] name is robert hillson

[28:03] address is one five one manor road bath

[28:06] ontario

[28:08] my question for the present presentation

[28:12] person is

[28:14] not uh with regard to the storm water uh

[28:19] management pond

[28:21] is

[28:22] i think

[28:23] something that was lacking is

[28:26] not necessarily the area of the pond but

[28:30] the volume of the pond that's what i

[28:33] would like to have answered

[28:35] okay mr are you able to provide that

[28:38] information

[28:41] if you give me one second i can pull up

[28:44] the report to get that information

[28:48] hold on for one moment mr hilson

[28:51] that's fine

[28:52] do you have any other questions while

[28:54] miss tucker is pulling that information

[28:55] out no i do not okay

[28:58] uh i do note that there are a couple

[29:00] other people that are have their hands

[29:02] up we will get to uh i believe it's mr

[29:04] kowalski and mr peacock uh in a moment

[29:07] as soon as we've completed with mr

[29:09] hillson

[29:49] i just need to look

[29:51] i am still looking for it

[29:54] again perhaps you can share that in a

[29:56] few moments if you're still looking for

[29:57] it and mr hilson if you have no other

[30:00] questions i will move forward and ask

[30:02] miss tucker to answer that question uh

[30:04] in a few moments when she's able to but

[30:07] that would allow us to move on to uh the

[30:09] other people who wish to speak to that

[30:11] is that all right with you mr hilson oh

[30:13] yes that's fine in fact uh i think it's

[30:15] important for the council to know not

[30:18] necessarily for me to know

[30:20] absolutely thank you very much

[30:22] with that i will move on to

[30:25] adam clerk is it mr kowalski this next

[30:31] yes

[30:38] welcome mr kowalski

[30:40] hello i hope you can hear me we can if i

[30:43] get you to state your full name and

[30:44] address and then tell us your thoughts

[30:46] on this project

[30:47] uh gord kowalski

[30:49] exchange street odessa

[30:52] okay

[30:54] i have a few comments uh

[30:57] the first one i want to start out with

[30:59] is the uh notice of the public meeting

[31:01] this one here

[31:02] i noticed on the township website there

[31:05] that uh the bath meetings are all

[31:08] published on the township website and

[31:10] this meeting

[31:12] you know it just isn't published and it

[31:14] kind of you know give back in the

[31:17] enhanced notice and uh

[31:19] you know it

[31:21] more public participation might be uh

[31:24] be held if this was a this was published

[31:27] along with the other meetings that's one

[31:30] thing

[31:31] i'm one of my comments if you under

[31:34] and i do understand i'm not sure that

[31:38] i would like our staff to comment on the

[31:41] uh the publication and the notifications

[31:43] uh but if you have another question

[31:45] we'll take that and then i'll all go to

[31:47] staff

[31:49] well i'm i i'm sure that that the

[31:51] regulations are met on this except uh

[31:54] the pub

[31:55] by not having this meeting publicized on

[31:58] the website there it's

[32:01] you don't get the participation so

[32:03] that's that's what i'm getting at

[32:05] okay

[32:07] my next question is is uh the allocation

[32:10] of sewer

[32:12] uh

[32:13] originally when this

[32:15] plan started out that was 2007 that uh

[32:18] they allocated 23 units of sewer

[32:22] and that

[32:23] there's a plan of a subdivision that

[32:25] went through well it didn't go through

[32:27] it got

[32:29] struck down and then it went to appeal

[32:32] the appeal was withdrawn in 2012.

[32:36] so for four years until 216

[32:39] there must be another extension in there

[32:41] and then

[32:42] there wasn't a lot

[32:44] there there were it was there was an

[32:46] allocation to uh another 13 units to

[32:49] make it 36.

[32:51] so we've had 218 in extension 219 an

[32:55] extension

[32:56] now we're coming to

[32:59] another extension how many extensions

[33:00] are we going to have and what's that

[33:02] going to do to set precedence for other

[33:04] developments is my question

[33:06] okay

[33:07] with that i will go to our director

[33:11] and madame are you able to answer the

[33:13] questions with regard to a the

[33:15] publication and notification for this

[33:17] meeting and b the sewage allocation

[33:24] unfortunately miss mary you're muted

[33:25] right now

[33:28] okay

[33:29] through you you worship uh i can

[33:31] definitely answer the sewer allocation

[33:33] uh question and miss furnace will have

[33:35] to uh to speak to the publication uh

[33:39] that was done for this uh for this

[33:41] application

[33:42] uh again at this time we're still doing

[33:44] a technical review for for this um

[33:48] for this development so uh as far as the

[33:52] number of units allocated for this

[33:54] development

[33:55] as you are aware we

[33:58] review our uncommitted reserve capacity

[34:00] on a yearly basis based on

[34:03] flows that reach our sewage treatment

[34:06] facility

[34:07] and

[34:08] this development has certainly been on

[34:09] our books for quite a few years

[34:12] and

[34:14] when we came to council asking for an

[34:17] extension

[34:19] you know the 36 units are being carried

[34:22] uh in our uncommitted reserve capacity

[34:25] so the plant is

[34:27] uh able to um handle the additional

[34:30] units

[34:32] okay thank you

[34:34] and miss furnace if you're available

[34:36] would you be able to speak to the

[34:38] notification process

[34:42] yes through through you mr mayor um in

[34:44] terms of the township's website it

[34:46] should have been posted on there if it

[34:48] we'd have to go back in and check to see

[34:50] what may have happened there if he's

[34:51] indicating that it that it hasn't been

[34:53] um so if that's the case then there

[34:55] could have been a potential oversight in

[34:57] that but i can confirm all additional

[35:00] posting requirements were met there's

[35:01] signage posted on the on the site um

[35:04] notice was mailed to all property owners

[35:05] within 120 meters of the site as well

[35:08] um and i'm going forward there's um

[35:12] there'll be an obviously this is just a

[35:14] public meeting so there'll be further

[35:15] meetings to this brought forward in

[35:17] council with an additional notice um and

[35:19] so we can definitely ensure that

[35:22] that it's included on the website

[35:24] thank you

[35:26] mr kowalski you've heard the answers do

[35:29] you have any further comment

[35:31] uh

[35:32] well i can go on about the drainage now

[35:35] go ahead

[35:37] back in

[35:38] i don't know 1991 as a public meeting

[35:41] and they're doing the odessa uh public

[35:43] housing stuff there

[35:45] and the property where the seniors uh

[35:48] residence is now

[35:50] uh there's concerns if they put the fill

[35:52] in there that was gonna cause problems

[35:54] with the drainage on shane street

[35:57] and uh that was brought up in the public

[35:59] meeting in 91

[36:01] came on 93 or 94 there's another public

[36:05] meeting and

[36:06] they waived the uh

[36:08] the water studies in the soil testing in

[36:12] a scramble to get the uh public funding

[36:14] and after that the next year after that

[36:17] we had a year and we had problems there

[36:20] so uh

[36:22] you know things happened uh

[36:25] there there were petitions to the to the

[36:28] earnest downtown council i guess back

[36:31] then and

[36:32] delegations and stuff and they ended up

[36:35] uh in improving the ditches on the north

[36:38] side of shane street and putting the

[36:41] fill in the backyards but we still

[36:43] haven't

[36:44] i guess i read in the port uh under

[36:46] functioning ditch on the on the north

[36:49] side

[36:50] we've uh

[36:51] now spent money in the last couple years

[36:53] improving uh the south side ditch

[36:56] so that's tax money spent there and uh

[36:59] i'm really concerned what's going to

[37:00] happen here and we've already spent what

[37:02] spent our tax dollars done on these

[37:04] improvements and it's natural drainage

[37:07] going down through there so i'm i'm not

[37:08] really too sure what's going to happen

[37:10] here i'm i'm concerned

[37:13] thank you ms merritt do you have comment

[37:15] with regard to the drainage

[37:18] again three year worship we're still

[37:19] doing this is only for an op not only

[37:22] this is for an opm admin and a reasoning

[37:24] amendment

[37:25] uh and

[37:27] we're still going through the detailed

[37:28] design

[37:29] uh we are aware that drainage is uh is a

[37:32] concern

[37:33] and we are um

[37:35] definitely

[37:36] uh paying close attention to that part

[37:38] of the design

[37:41] thank you mr kowalski just from my own

[37:43] perspective i can't speak to what

[37:45] happened in the 90s uh that was

[37:47] definitely before i came on council

[37:50] but

[37:51] i assure you that when we were reviewing

[37:53] this a few years ago

[37:55] drainage was brought very much to the

[37:57] forefront as a concern for that region

[38:00] and

[38:01] will continue to be something that we

[38:03] work to ensure as best as we possibly

[38:06] can as this moves forward

[38:08] yeah well i assumed that you know about

[38:10] the drainage because i read another

[38:12] report there the

[38:14] the property behind the council there

[38:16] has a stream and it's it's and stuff

[38:18] running through and it's unsuitable to

[38:20] put a new county a new

[38:23] public building on so i don't know i'm

[38:25] just really concerned

[38:27] i appreciate that

[38:30] council do we have any questions for mr

[38:32] kowalski

[38:35] i'm seeing no questions

[38:37] right i'll say thank you very much for

[38:39] your input mr kowalski we will continue

[38:41] to to move forward

[38:43] i believe uh madam clerk i believe the

[38:46] next up is mr peacock

[38:49] i'm allowed to

[38:51] speak i believe

[38:53] mr pika can you hear us

[38:56] hi am i muted

[38:59] we can hear you yes go ahead sir give us

[39:01] your full name and address please

[39:04] uh this is nathan peacock but uh rebecca

[39:06] brown lives with me as well

[39:08] at uh 311 main street

[39:10] um and she'll be speaking on my behalf

[39:13] it's just i have logged in on my tablet

[39:15] she's here with me

[39:17] fair enough and madam if you would give

[39:20] us your name and address then please

[39:22] uh my name is rebecca brown i live at

[39:24] 311 main street um i wrote some comments

[39:27] let me the agenda but i'm not sure if

[39:29] you're going to read those comments or

[39:31] not i just have some very concerning

[39:33] questions i'd like to ask miss tucker

[39:35] myself

[39:36] well if you could uh

[39:38] yeah tell us your questions and and

[39:40] we'll see what we can do for a response

[39:42] thank you

[39:44] um

[39:46] so i live at 311 main street which is a

[39:48] known um

[39:50] i guess watering hole of

[39:52] odessa

[39:53] um i was just wondering if um ibi group

[39:57] had an evaluation

[39:58] by career callaway group sorry if i say

[40:01] that wrong

[40:02] and it was commented during this

[40:05] [Music]

[40:07] this evaluation that it was not a four

[40:09] season water level that they only did

[40:11] the spring melt

[40:12] um there's an approximization

[40:15] uh completed and no allocations of where

[40:18] they actually took this data i find this

[40:21] concerning because the spring melt is

[40:23] not my highest water level of the year

[40:26] um i was just wondering

[40:28] why they thought that was sufficient

[40:29] because in previous meetings i have in

[40:32] fact sent

[40:33] council

[40:34] pictures of water levels in november

[40:37] which happened to be up to my waistline

[40:39] in my own basement i was just wondering

[40:42] if that fourth season was going to be

[40:44] completed and if council was aware of

[40:46] that

[40:48] thank you

[40:50] i will go to ms tucker for a response

[40:53] with regard to the studies that have

[40:54] been done

[41:02] miss tucker you muted right now

[41:04] sorry

[41:06] thank you miss brand so we did the

[41:08] studies as were required by the

[41:10] municipality and we have gone back and

[41:12] forth now several times

[41:14] with staff with the conservation

[41:16] authority as well as

[41:19] the peer reviewers on what was required

[41:21] and what we needed to do to move forward

[41:23] with this project

[41:25] um

[41:26] should the city or the municipality

[41:28] require a four season study that can be

[41:30] implemented as a draft plan condition

[41:32] that we would have be required to

[41:35] fulfill as part of the subdivision

[41:37] agreement

[41:40] so that it's not we weren't required to

[41:42] it these comments we've received have

[41:44] not said we need to do the four season

[41:46] study

[41:47] and that's part of why we have not

[41:49] proceeded with it at this point

[41:51] thank you

[41:53] i'll go to ms merritt did you have any

[41:55] comment with regard to the studies

[42:02] you may have lost oh there she is

[42:06] taking a little bit longer to

[42:08] turn this on um i don't have a further

[42:12] comment on this your worship uh again

[42:15] the technical review is not there yet

[42:18] this is just a public this is a public

[42:19] meeting for us to gather comments and

[42:22] when we come back to council with a

[42:23] report

[42:24] we will provide some answers

[42:27] thank you very much

[42:29] council do we have any questions for

[42:31] this uh delegate

[42:37] and i'm seeing none

[42:39] all right

[42:40] thank you very much for you for your

[42:41] comments did you have anything further

[42:43] to add then

[42:45] uh just one comment all those uh

[42:47] um all the comments were added to the

[42:50] agenda are you going to

[42:52] review them and get back to those

[42:55] people

[42:56] and

[42:57] council has all of these comments before

[42:59] us and the the commitment from this

[43:02] public meeting is that the comments will

[43:04] be addressed by our staff prior to

[43:07] any bylaw coming forward to council and

[43:09] i see ms merritt

[43:10] nodding then i got the process right

[43:14] and

[43:15] so yes the comments will be responded to

[43:18] uh into each of them

[43:21] thank you

[43:22] okay perfect thank you

[43:24] thank you is there anyone else in the

[43:27] audience who wishes to speak on the

[43:29] issue of 315 main street odessa

[43:35] and again i will ask if you

[43:37] are interested in speaking to it you use

[43:39] the raise hand feature

[43:45] madam clerk are you seeing anyone i'm

[43:47] not right now

[43:49] i'm not your worship

[43:52] nope oh mr

[43:55] kalowski

[43:59] mr kowalski

[44:01] and

[44:02] we typically only allows people to speak

[44:04] once but mr kowalski if you have a quick

[44:06] question i will

[44:08] allow it

[44:13] and we can't hear you yet you're still

[44:15] muted

[44:20] uh i just had a quick conversation with

[44:24] one of my neighbors today and they have

[44:26] a four generation

[44:28] farm there that

[44:30] they've been working on and they're

[44:32] quite concerned about this development

[44:33] and uh they're just very con just very

[44:36] very concerned about the green factor

[44:39] and the climate change aspects and what

[44:41] and how it would affect them that's

[44:43] that's about what i have to say about

[44:46] thanks

[44:47] greatly appreciate it and and if you

[44:49] could get them to put it send in their

[44:51] comments uh in writing or or phone the

[44:54] the office to provide those comments we

[44:56] can include those in the comments that

[44:58] will be addressed

[44:59] as this report moves further

[45:02] okay thank you mr kowalski

[45:09] any anyone else

[45:16] madam clerk are you seeing anyone

[45:24] yes your worship uh ann mcintosh i'll

[45:27] just allow to speak

[45:29] miss mcintosh i believe you come into

[45:31] the at the front

[45:33] if you can unmute can you tell us your

[45:35] name and address and then give us your

[45:37] thoughts on this please

[45:38] uh well my concern can you hear me we

[45:41] can hear you yes okay great i've never

[45:44] done this before so have an amateur at

[45:45] this

[45:46] um

[45:47] we're all learning

[45:50] okay well i'm not a property owner i'm a

[45:52] resident in the seniors resident around

[45:55] the corner

[45:56] and my concerns are

[45:59] um

[46:00] largely environmental and quality of

[46:02] life like i know mr klosky mentioned

[46:05] somebody who

[46:07] was concerned because they were a

[46:08] four-generation farmer

[46:10] um

[46:12] the thing is that once this starts

[46:15] the quality of life of the people who

[46:18] have lived here for generations

[46:20] and the people who have come here

[46:22] because this is what we like

[46:24] once again

[46:27] our quality of life is just being

[46:28] disregarded so that somebody can build a

[46:31] development

[46:32] like this is a rural area and it's quiet

[46:35] and it's the air is clean and we

[46:37] hear birds and trees and wind and we get

[46:40] the smell of the hay and the grass

[46:43] we get to look at the world the way it

[46:44] was supposed to be

[46:46] and it seems like for myself every time

[46:49] i found a place like this to live

[46:52] after a few years i've got to pull up

[46:54] and leave because well here comes the

[46:56] developer it's all gone again

[46:59] and

[47:00] all this

[47:02] discussion that's going on now in the

[47:03] world about global warming and climate

[47:06] change and so on this is relevant

[47:08] because every time you destroy something

[47:09] like this chop down trees pave over

[47:12] grass

[47:14] that's part of the world that's not

[47:15] getting cleaned again and you can't go

[47:17] back once you've dug it dug it up paved

[47:19] it over and built on it it's gone

[47:21] forever and ever you'll never get it

[47:23] back

[47:25] um if we're gonna try to do anything

[47:27] about preserving the world for

[47:29] people's children and grandchildren

[47:31] great-grandchildren i don't have any but

[47:33] probably most of you do

[47:36] it takes all of us and we have to start

[47:38] somewhere there's all the little people

[47:40] like us

[47:42] all working together that maybe can turn

[47:44] the tide and

[47:47] get the world back to where it's

[47:48] supposed to be

[47:49] there's social problems that come

[47:51] because people can't get away from each

[47:53] other because

[47:55] there's no place that they can go to

[47:57] stop trying to move at the speed of

[47:58] light and of the speed of light and go

[48:01] back to remembering that they're people

[48:02] but not machines

[48:04] you go out you walk in the woods you

[48:05] walk in the fields you listen to the

[48:07] birds you look around you

[48:09] and the stresses of the world disappear

[48:12] where do we go

[48:14] what do we do

[48:15] when that's gone

[48:16] and once you've done this

[48:18] that's the beginning somebody else comes

[48:21] in behind these guys who wants to

[48:22] develop something else before you don't

[48:24] work case them then before you know it

[48:26] we're toronto

[48:28] that's my concerns i mean i'll be dead

[48:29] and buried by the time that happens but

[48:32] in the meantime i'm going to lose

[48:34] something that

[48:35] means a great deal to me because

[48:37] i won't be able to enjoy this anymore

[48:39] either anyway that's my concerns

[48:42] and

[48:43] that's all i had to say about it and i

[48:45] appreciate you bringing it forward ms

[48:46] mcintosh thank you council do we have

[48:49] any questions from his macintosh

[48:53] and i'm seeing none i'll say thank you

[48:55] very much miss mcintosh and uh and say

[48:58] your comments will be added into the uh

[49:00] the report and addressed by staff

[49:05] is there anyone else who wishes to

[49:06] address the public meeting regarding 315

[49:09] main street odessa

[49:16] have mr cunningham i believe

[49:19] mr cunningham

[49:21] i think you were interested in the bath

[49:24] project not the odessa project but uh if

[49:27] you wish to comment on the the odessa

[49:29] project

[49:32] mr cunningham can you hear me

[49:36] see you in if you could unmute

[49:40] i can hear you i'm just going to wait

[49:42] till uh the bath

[49:43] the next next item

[49:45] okay thank you thank you and we'll call

[49:48] you in at that time great thanks thank

[49:52] is there anyone else with regard to

[49:55] the 315 main street odessa project

[49:59] application

[50:03] i see hands up from the same people that

[50:05] have already spoken to us

[50:07] again traditionally this is one person

[50:09] gets one shot at this is there anyone

[50:12] new

[50:17] i'm seeing no one knew

[50:21] mr cunningham still has his hand up but

[50:23] i'm again that that's for the next one

[50:25] we have mr peacock oh miss tucker do you

[50:29] have the numbers yeah i have the numbers

[50:31] and i also have an update on the four

[50:33] season hydrogeological study

[50:35] thank you go ahead so the swim pond has

[50:38] 308

[50:40] uh cubic meters of storage

[50:43] at the parking lot has

[50:46] about 130 cubic meters of storage

[50:49] for a total of 309 sorry 77 cubic meters

[50:53] of storage for a total of 395 cubic

[50:56] meters of storage on site

[50:59] based on the current flows today we are

[51:01] actually only required to have 131 cubic

[51:05] meters so we have

[51:06] close to three times the amount of

[51:08] storage that we need on site

[51:11] and with respect to the four season

[51:13] hydro geological in our second

[51:16] submission we did submit the four season

[51:18] hydrogeological for the

[51:20] site okay so it has been submitted is

[51:23] that a public document

[51:28] should be because it is part of the

[51:30] application

[51:31] this furnace

[51:34] yes through you mr mayor they're all

[51:36] public documents so if any member of

[51:38] council or any public member um wishes

[51:40] to receive copies of them they can

[51:42] definitely reach out to the playing

[51:43] division and we can provide those

[51:45] okay thank you very much

[51:48] with that

[51:50] again i'll come back to counsel any

[51:52] questions for miss tucker or staff

[51:56] seeing none

[51:58] i see mr peacock's hand is still up and

[52:01] i believe that's and i'll be honest i've

[52:03] forgotten the uh

[52:05] the lady who was speaking i will ask the

[52:07] clerk to bring her in very briefly

[52:10] for a follow-up comment and then we'll

[52:12] call this bring this to a close

[52:16] yes

[52:17] it's actually nathan is speaking this

[52:19] time uh it and it's more of a

[52:22] comment than a question

[52:23] um i know

[52:25] that there are at least two landowners

[52:27] adjacent to this property that have had

[52:29] difficulties with trying to get on the

[52:31] council

[52:32] trying to get onto the zoom meetings the

[52:34] technology what have you

[52:36] um

[52:37] i just

[52:38] i know that uh

[52:41] they would like to be here um but

[52:42] they're having

[52:43] some technical issues so i've received

[52:45] some messages from them that's all i

[52:47] just wanted to uh

[52:49] get that information

[52:51] through that's that's all i have

[52:53] thank you very much again i would ask

[52:55] anyone who wishes to make comment with

[52:57] regard to this application

[52:59] to uh the best way would be to provide

[53:01] it by email if that's possible provided

[53:04] in writing at the township office uh or

[53:07] at the very least phone the township

[53:09] office and provide comments that way and

[53:11] all comments will be addressed prior to

[53:14] this coming back to council or as this

[53:17] comes back to council

[53:18] before any decision is made

[53:23] with that i will say last call for

[53:27] the public meeting for 315 main street

[53:32] okay

[53:35] and we do have a recommendation

[53:38] right

[53:40] for the recommendation is that this be

[53:42] brought forward to council once the

[53:43] comments from the departments the

[53:45] agencies and the public have been

[53:46] addressed

[53:47] that the units of capacity previously

[53:50] allocated within the water and

[53:52] loyalistic sewage systems for the

[53:53] development of consent

[53:55] be extended to june 30th to allow for

[53:58] the comments to be addressed and the

[54:00] draft plan of subdivision to be granted

[54:02] and if the effective property receiving

[54:05] allocation has not obtained draft plan

[54:07] approval by june 30th then this

[54:09] allocation would be made available to

[54:11] other properties that is the

[54:12] recommendation before us council

[54:15] council do you have any questions with

[54:17] regard to the recommendations

[54:21] and i'm seeing no hands

[54:23] then i will ask if there's someone

[54:25] willing to make a motion

[54:35] counsel

[54:37] are we going to make promotion either on

[54:39] the recommendation or another motion

[54:46] anyone

[54:48] i'll go to the deputy thank you

[54:53] move to receive and adopt the

[54:54] recommendations

[54:56] to receive and adopt the recommendations

[54:58] do i have a seconder for that

[55:02] counselor parks the seconding thank you

[55:04] deputy any comment just very briefly um

[55:09] this motion is uh strictly for basically

[55:11] receiving the information that we've got

[55:13] tonight plus what will still come in

[55:15] so that it can be considered um during

[55:18] the review

[55:19] so um that's why

[55:21] it's this motion is needed to be able to

[55:23] be able to take all the comments and

[55:25] concerns and address them appropriately

[55:28] thank you secondary comment

[55:30] uh just to echo what the deputy had said

[55:33] yes this is just really to get all the

[55:35] information back before council so that

[55:37] a proper decision can be made so

[55:39] that's why i seconded the motion

[55:40] thank you

[55:42] anyone else wish to comment

[55:47] i'm seeing no further comments

[55:50] then i will call the question

[55:52] all those in favor please raise a hand

[55:56] any opposed

[55:58] motion is carried thank you and that

[56:00] brings us to the end of the public

[56:02] meeting for 315 main street

[56:05] we now move on to the public meeting

[56:07] regarding 496 main street bath

[56:11] and i turn to our director

[56:16] to introduce

[56:17] this oh before before i go to the

[56:20] director kelsey parks did you have

[56:21] something

[56:22] i just wanted to mention to the clerk

[56:24] that i did receive an email from mr hood

[56:27] jason as well as dave salter that they

[56:29] are trying to join the public meeting

[56:31] later on

[56:32] i just want to make sure she was aware

[56:33] of that yes thank you

[56:35] okay thank you

[56:38] ms merritt you would like to introduce

[56:39] this public meeting

[56:42] uh through

[56:43] uh yes so staff uh we don't have

[56:46] anything further to add to the report

[56:48] that's on the agenda but i believe the

[56:50] um

[56:51] the uh applicants consultant is here to

[56:55] uh make a presentation as well

[56:58] the applicant's consultant here to make

[57:00] a presentation do we know the name

[57:03] is that ms gilchrist yes

[57:06] and then as us

[57:08] staff to allow ms gilchrist to present

[57:11] believe them skillchrist is here and

[57:14] this

[57:15] is stuke stuck i'm not sure how to

[57:17] pronounce that

[57:19] hi i'm three mr chair it's uh miss

[57:21] stookie

[57:22] miss dookie welcome all right you're

[57:24] here to present on this application

[57:27] yes yes

[57:28] um council and

[57:31] mayor my name is emma stuki i'm a

[57:33] planner at ibi group while i'm set up to

[57:36] share my screen to start the

[57:38] presentation please go ahead

[57:44] is everyone able to see the slides

[57:47] not quite yet

[57:50] i'm seeing black screen right now other

[57:52] members of council

[57:58] anyone

[58:00] just showing black screen your worship

[58:05] something's not working properly

[58:07] okay here i'll stop and try again

[58:21] and

[58:22] i'm still getting black screen

[58:26] it says that you're sharing the screen

[58:27] but i'm not seeing any screens

[58:31] it does say double click to enter full

[58:32] screen mode that may be

[58:35] that it's off if you've got two screens

[58:36] it may be off on your other screen and

[58:38] just not showing up on the screen yet

[58:41] i'm still seeing black screen council

[58:43] the rest of council are you able to see

[58:45] the presentation

[58:47] i'm seeing heads shaking no no

[58:51] okay i'll try

[58:56] try one more time

[58:58] third time's the charm third time's the

[59:00] term

[59:12] and i'm not sure what's going on but i'm

[59:14] still getting black screen

[59:16] black screen

[59:17] um is it possible i did share the

[59:19] presentation via email to um miss

[59:22] furnace and mr casemore today

[59:24] is it possible for someone else to maybe

[59:27] pull up the slide um

[59:29] i'm not sure what's going on on my end

[59:32] okay if you could uh stop sharing for us

[59:34] so that we can come back to regular view

[59:36] i will turn to miss furnace

[59:39] do you have that presentation and are

[59:41] you able to pre to show it

[59:44] your worship i believe we have a pdf of

[59:46] it uh that i can put up on the screen

[59:49] now and they'll just have to let me know

[59:50] when to change

[59:52] and

[59:53] okay please do so

[1:00:02] okay i'm now seeing a uh a presentation

[1:00:05] on 496 main street bath council are you

[1:00:08] seeing the same

[1:00:10] i'm seeing nods so i'm hoping that the

[1:00:12] public can see this as well and with

[1:00:14] that ms stookie if you would like to uh

[1:00:17] go ahead and when you need the slide to

[1:00:19] change you can address that to the clerk

[1:00:22] great thank you thanks for your help

[1:00:24] with the technical difficulties so again

[1:00:26] my name is emma stuki i'm a planner at

[1:00:27] ibi group and we're the consultant

[1:00:30] planners for our y legacy contractor um

[1:00:32] so today we're here to discuss the

[1:00:34] applications for draft plan of

[1:00:36] subdivision for the property at 496 main

[1:00:39] street and bath

[1:00:40] so the purpose of the application is a

[1:00:42] draft plan of subdivision to create 10

[1:00:44] new residential blocks with 9 70

[1:00:46] detached blocks with 18 units and one 10

[1:00:49] s block with four units for a total of

[1:00:51] 22 units an official plan amendment is

[1:00:54] requested to change the designation from

[1:00:56] commercial to medium density residential

[1:00:58] this is required in order to permit

[1:01:01] townhouses and semi-detached dwellings

[1:01:03] on the subject lands

[1:01:04] and then a zoning bylaw amendment

[1:01:06] application is proposed in order to

[1:01:08] implement the proposed draft plan of

[1:01:10] subdivision and change the zone from a

[1:01:12] commercial zone to a residential zone

[1:01:15] next slide please

[1:01:17] so here's an image of the subject

[1:01:19] property which shows the surrounding

[1:01:20] fabric and location of the property

[1:01:23] in the village of bath

[1:01:26] next line please

[1:01:27] the area context to the north is bath

[1:01:30] creek loyalist golf and country club and

[1:01:32] low density residential development to

[1:01:34] the east is the village of bath various

[1:01:36] commercial uses low density residential

[1:01:38] uses the south

[1:01:40] and properties along main street bath

[1:01:42] low density residential uses in lake

[1:01:44] ontario

[1:01:45] west is

[1:01:46] low density residential uses country

[1:01:48] club drive and lands designated for

[1:01:51] aggregate

[1:01:52] at an extraction

[1:01:54] um so in the area context those of you

[1:01:57] familiar with bath primarily single

[1:01:58] detached homes one to two stories range

[1:02:01] of construction dates and range of

[1:02:02] architectural styles

[1:02:04] next slide please

[1:02:07] and the site has an area of 1.2 hectares

[1:02:09] with 93 meters of frontage on main

[1:02:11] street there's an existing commercial

[1:02:13] building on the site there's a u-shaped

[1:02:15] driveway with two entrances to main

[1:02:17] street the land is cleared and grassy

[1:02:19] and bath creek runs along the north of

[1:02:21] the property

[1:02:23] next slide please

[1:02:25] um so from these pictures we can see the

[1:02:27] view of the property from east to west

[1:02:29] and the existing conditions along the

[1:02:31] property

[1:02:32] lines next slide please

[1:02:35] um so again here's the proposed concept

[1:02:38] plan i'm proposing semi-detached

[1:02:40] residential blocks with 18 semi-detached

[1:02:44] units and four townhouse units all

[1:02:47] around cul-de-sac

[1:02:49] with an open space area

[1:02:52] at the rear of the property which will

[1:02:54] be designated to the township for

[1:02:56] conservation

[1:02:57] next slide please

[1:03:01] um so

[1:03:05] during the pre-consultation meeting with

[1:03:06] the township we had certain design

[1:03:08] considerations established to help guide

[1:03:11] the development of this subdivision

[1:03:13] including providing a mix of housing

[1:03:15] types being set back from the flood

[1:03:17] plain

[1:03:19] that's bath creek minimizing the number

[1:03:21] of entrances to main street providing a

[1:03:23] minimum of two parking spaces per unit

[1:03:26] next slide please

[1:03:28] the proposed development will be

[1:03:30] serviced by municipal water and sanitary

[1:03:32] services servicing will be confirmed as

[1:03:35] a condition of draft approval um block

[1:03:37] 11 which includes the lands along black

[1:03:39] creek and the flood plain is a natural

[1:03:41] open space block which will be dedicated

[1:03:43] to loyalist township for conservation

[1:03:46] and this dedication

[1:03:48] will occur in consultation with the

[1:03:50] conservation authority

[1:03:53] the owner will also be required to

[1:03:55] provide cash in lieu of parkland

[1:03:57] access to the site is a 18 meter wide

[1:04:00] public cul-de-sac connecting to main

[1:04:02] street and individual driveways are

[1:04:03] proposed for the four townhouse units

[1:04:07] next slide please

[1:04:09] here's an example built form

[1:04:11] renderings shown are

[1:04:13] conceptual at this point but show two to

[1:04:16] two and a half story buildings two to

[1:04:18] three bedroom units owner intends to

[1:04:20] build a high quality product based on

[1:04:22] feedback from the

[1:04:24] virtual open house took it back to the

[1:04:26] owner that had more traditional colonial

[1:04:28] design is preferred for the area

[1:04:31] buyers will be choosing floor plans and

[1:04:33] landscaping will be required

[1:04:35] next slide please

[1:04:38] and so in terms of going to the policy

[1:04:41] context so the proposed development

[1:04:43] is consistent with the intent of the

[1:04:45] provincial policy statement as it

[1:04:46] redevelopment redevelops and

[1:04:48] underutilized site in an area intended

[1:04:50] for development it's within the urban

[1:04:52] growth groundry efficiently uses land

[1:04:54] and resources does not result in the

[1:04:56] uneconomic extension of services

[1:04:59] the proposed residential use is

[1:05:01] compatible with the adjacent residential

[1:05:03] uses and no public health and safety

[1:05:05] issues are anticipated as the

[1:05:07] development setback

[1:05:08] far enough from box creek

[1:05:11] next slide please

[1:05:14] and here is an image of the current

[1:05:16] official plan designation so the

[1:05:19] existing designation is for commercial

[1:05:20] land uses and medium density residential

[1:05:24] is proposed the medium density

[1:05:26] residential is proposed in order to

[1:05:28] permit the townhouse use

[1:05:31] um we note that the proposed density is

[1:05:33] actually low density it's less than 31

[1:05:36] units per net hectare which is what's

[1:05:38] identified in the

[1:05:40] township's official plan

[1:05:42] as the threshold there so

[1:05:44] seeking to go into the medium density

[1:05:46] residential designation to permit the

[1:05:49] townhouse built form

[1:05:51] next slide please

[1:05:55] so residential uses on the subject lands

[1:05:58] are appropriately located it's within

[1:06:00] the settlement area of bath

[1:06:02] in an area that's within walking

[1:06:03] distance of parkland community

[1:06:05] facilities commercial uses

[1:06:07] it's compatible with adjacent uses the

[1:06:09] proposed residential use is more

[1:06:10] compatible with adjacent residential

[1:06:13] properties compared to a commercial use

[1:06:16] it meets the functional needs of site

[1:06:17] users parking and amenity space are

[1:06:19] provided on the site consistent with the

[1:06:21] township standards

[1:06:23] helps to achieve intensification targets

[1:06:26] supports residential intensification in

[1:06:28] the settlement area of bath and complies

[1:06:30] with division of land policies

[1:06:32] so engineering studies have been

[1:06:34] submitted which demonstrate that the

[1:06:35] development of the subject lands

[1:06:38] is orderly and logical meaning that

[1:06:40] servicing can be provided traffic can be

[1:06:43] accommodated and storm water management

[1:06:46] can be managed as well

[1:06:48] next slide please

[1:06:51] so the existing zoning is a commercial

[1:06:53] c2 zone and we're proposing to place

[1:06:57] the lands into residential zones and it

[1:07:00] will be a

[1:07:01] residential type 4 zone for the

[1:07:03] semi-detached dwellings and a

[1:07:05] residential

[1:07:07] type 5 zone for the townhouse units and

[1:07:10] we note that site-specific performance

[1:07:12] standards are proposed throughout to be

[1:07:14] able to implement the development as

[1:07:16] shown

[1:07:18] next slide please

[1:07:21] um so we have heard comments so far and

[1:07:23] we did host a virtual open house

[1:07:26] to

[1:07:27] solicit feedback from the public and

[1:07:29] have a discussion about the proposed

[1:07:31] development

[1:07:32] we heard concerns with compatibility and

[1:07:34] scale concerns with potential traffic

[1:07:36] impact and access

[1:07:38] concerns with availability of water and

[1:07:39] waste water services concerns about the

[1:07:42] safety of the open space block in

[1:07:43] parkland and concerns with flooding and

[1:07:46] storm water management

[1:07:48] next slide please

[1:07:51] some concerns related to compatibility

[1:07:53] and heritage concerns about the density

[1:07:56] and the size of the lots

[1:07:58] compatibility specifically with the

[1:08:00] heritage character of bath preference

[1:08:02] for fewer single detached homes and need

[1:08:05] for greater setbacks and separation

[1:08:08] so we do note that we have heard all of

[1:08:10] these comments and taken them back to

[1:08:12] the developer

[1:08:13] and are awaiting township comments

[1:08:15] before

[1:08:17] making changes to the design

[1:08:20] but to summarize the

[1:08:22] proposed density is is considered low

[1:08:24] density in the official plan

[1:08:26] and the lot sizes and setbacks are

[1:08:28] consistent with modern construction

[1:08:30] standards again we note that

[1:08:32] pending township comments these can be

[1:08:36] reviewed final layout and building

[1:08:38] locations will be refined through this

[1:08:40] process

[1:08:41] and the buildings will comply with the

[1:08:43] maximum height of at 10 meters outlined

[1:08:46] in the zoning bylaw

[1:08:47] and

[1:08:48] supports

[1:08:49] the addition of semi-detached and

[1:08:52] townhouse dwellings on this site

[1:08:53] supports providing a range of mix and

[1:08:56] housing types in bath

[1:08:58] from a land use perspective supports

[1:09:02] the efficient use of land and settlement

[1:09:04] areas making use of existing services

[1:09:07] and

[1:09:08] the proposed built form is compatible

[1:09:10] with adjacent residential uses in terms

[1:09:12] of scale and bill form

[1:09:14] next slide please

[1:09:16] and so open space heard the concerns

[1:09:19] here that need for planning and

[1:09:20] landscape concerns with the safety of

[1:09:21] block 11 for parkland and concerned with

[1:09:24] access to open space for residents we

[1:09:26] know that landscaping will be required

[1:09:28] um the intention is to preserve trees

[1:09:30] wherever possible block 11 will be

[1:09:33] dedicated as open space for conservation

[1:09:35] use and it's not intended to be a park

[1:09:37] space or a public park space um it's

[1:09:40] intended to let the

[1:09:42] flood plane function um along the creek

[1:09:45] and cache and live with parkland will be

[1:09:47] provided to the township

[1:09:49] next slide please

[1:09:52] traffic access heard concerns about

[1:09:53] traffic frequency concerns with the

[1:09:55] amount of parking need for visitor

[1:09:56] parking concerns with entrances on the

[1:09:59] main street ability for trucks to turn

[1:10:00] around and the need for sidewalks so

[1:10:03] according to the traffic impact study

[1:10:06] forecasted traffic levels are

[1:10:07] anticipated to have negligible impact on

[1:10:09] surrounding roads the cul-de-sac meets

[1:10:12] the minimum turn radius required for

[1:10:13] single-unit trucks the proposal will be

[1:10:15] reviewed by the fire department

[1:10:17] in the technical comments and the

[1:10:19] proposed development meets the minimum

[1:10:21] parking requirements for residential

[1:10:22] uses

[1:10:24] next slide please

[1:10:28] um engineering again concerns with water

[1:10:31] and wastewater servicing concerns about

[1:10:33] capacity to support the development and

[1:10:35] concerns about storm water management

[1:10:37] flooding and water quality and runoff

[1:10:40] so preliminary calculations show there

[1:10:42] is capacity to service the proposed

[1:10:43] development

[1:10:45] these reports are available

[1:10:47] and are being reviewed by the township

[1:10:49] as part of their technical review

[1:10:52] capacity will be confirmed by the

[1:10:53] township as a condition of draft

[1:10:55] approval

[1:10:56] the storm sewer services will be

[1:10:58] installed with a connection to main

[1:10:59] street storm sewers

[1:11:01] and there is going to be an oil grit

[1:11:02] separator installed to mitigate any

[1:11:04] adverse water quality effects and more

[1:11:06] details on these measures are available

[1:11:08] in the accompanying report

[1:11:11] next slide please

[1:11:14] um so in conclusion and based on this

[1:11:17] the proposed residential uses on the

[1:11:19] site are consistent with the intent of

[1:11:21] the pps

[1:11:22] conform to the official plan policies

[1:11:25] and are compatible with surrounding uses

[1:11:29] next slide please

[1:11:31] um so thank you we welcome questions and

[1:11:32] discussion

[1:11:35] thank you very much miss dukey

[1:11:37] uh council do we have any questions

[1:11:40] with regard to the presentation just

[1:11:42] made

[1:11:46] i'm seeing no questions

[1:11:48] so i will turn this to the public

[1:11:51] okay and again this is a public meeting

[1:11:54] council shall hear in person or by his

[1:11:57] or her counsel solicitor agent any

[1:11:59] person who came to be affected by this

[1:12:01] application

[1:12:03] at this time i'll turn to the clerk and

[1:12:05] ask her to identify

[1:12:07] people that are wishing to

[1:12:10] attend

[1:12:11] okay after your worship uh mr cunningham

[1:12:15] has been allowed to speak

[1:12:17] go ahead mr cunningham you'll have to

[1:12:18] unmute

[1:12:20] and again

[1:12:22] name and address and

[1:12:24] also comments please cunningham uh one

[1:12:27] country club

[1:12:28] drive and pass just 150 meters away from

[1:12:32] this proposed subdivision

[1:12:35] many of the concerns that i have got are

[1:12:38] are the building of what is going into

[1:12:40] this place because of what's beside this

[1:12:42] project

[1:12:43] is uh a home that was built in 1850

[1:12:47] a home across the street which was 1850

[1:12:50] and you start going down that street and

[1:12:52] that's

[1:12:53] you're almost going back into the 1800s

[1:12:55] i think this will exactly take away from

[1:12:58] the heritage bit of bath ontario it'll

[1:13:01] become a just another little place

[1:13:04] like behind like amherst view where

[1:13:07] you're going to have all these

[1:13:08] different kinds of things in there

[1:13:11] we should be trying to keep this

[1:13:14] as a certain

[1:13:16] certain plate thing i could see if they

[1:13:18] wanted to develop this to put this into

[1:13:21] colonial style homes or period type

[1:13:24] homes which can be built very easily by

[1:13:26] a builder and i did check this builder

[1:13:29] out he looks like he is a is a quality

[1:13:31] builder

[1:13:32] i think this is something i don't know

[1:13:34] anything about the water plane but i

[1:13:35] know i when i walk there

[1:13:37] i'm in the last meeting a lot of people

[1:13:39] had concerns about

[1:13:41] runoff that where's it going to go

[1:13:44] is it going to run into the into the

[1:13:46] bath creek that's there and we have a

[1:13:48] few pollution problems along there and

[1:13:50] another thing was that

[1:13:52] i could see that if they could take

[1:13:53] those four townhouses out and make that

[1:13:56] all parkland the people who have

[1:13:58] children in that area but have a place

[1:14:01] to play now there's no place for them to

[1:14:03] go you can't take a three-year-old down

[1:14:05] to the park all the time

[1:14:07] and also with those four

[1:14:09] four

[1:14:10] townhouses there that's four extra

[1:14:12] driveways on that bath road and right

[1:14:15] now i call that the bath road speedway

[1:14:20] you can't believe how fast the cars are

[1:14:23] going on that even the trucks coming

[1:14:25] from

[1:14:26] coming from the

[1:14:28] the parge today most of the trucks were

[1:14:31] doing 65 to 70 k's completing with the

[1:14:35] cars also all you need is one little

[1:14:37] child to go out there and boom and it's

[1:14:39] council's responsibility to make sure

[1:14:42] that that speed limit is down but also

[1:14:44] there's just too much congestion on a

[1:14:46] weekend

[1:14:47] with a subdivision we've got behind us

[1:14:49] now

[1:14:50] with only one exit

[1:14:53] there could be a possibly 200 cars there

[1:14:55] you think on the holiday weekend

[1:14:58] and someone trying to turn left

[1:15:00] will never get out let alone going down

[1:15:03] the street again you're going to have

[1:15:05] you're just going to have one big

[1:15:06] bottleneck

[1:15:07] so i just think that if they could get

[1:15:11] could go back to the drawing board and

[1:15:12] maybe do a uh

[1:15:14] a single family development in there

[1:15:17] with colonial style homes that would

[1:15:20] match what's going on through there

[1:15:22] that's what a legacy i'm sure i hope

[1:15:24] someone else is here that knows more

[1:15:25] about the land the land development so

[1:15:27] forth around there with the streams and

[1:15:29] so forth

[1:15:31] is there anybody else here or not

[1:15:33] that's all i have to say

[1:15:36] thank you mr cunningham

[1:15:38] council do we have any questions for mr

[1:15:40] cunningham

[1:15:43] [Music]

[1:15:45] i we take we will take note of your

[1:15:47] concerns and staff are taking notes uh

[1:15:50] to address those concerns

[1:15:52] in the uh report that will come back to

[1:15:54] council okay thank you

[1:15:56] thank you

[1:15:58] i turned to the clerk for the next

[1:16:00] attendee for the public meeting with

[1:16:02] regard to

[1:16:04] 496 main street bath

[1:16:06] uh mr hilson

[1:16:08] mr hilson

[1:16:10] and come on in

[1:16:14] go ahead mr nelson uh my first question

[1:16:17] would be is there any

[1:16:19] allowance for low-income housing in this

[1:16:23] development and i would ask the same

[1:16:25] question of the previous presentation

[1:16:28] uh

[1:16:29] will there be any public access along

[1:16:32] the creek

[1:16:35] for anyone who wants to walk along the

[1:16:37] creek

[1:16:39] as

[1:16:40] is done in new zealand

[1:16:43] where all waterways

[1:16:45] lakes rivers ocean

[1:16:48] nobody can build

[1:16:50] and prevent people from walking along

[1:16:53] the shoreline of any of those water

[1:16:55] features i think that's a wonderful

[1:16:57] thing

[1:16:58] and i've been there so i know what it's

[1:17:00] like those are my questions thank you

[1:17:03] very much

[1:17:04] okay thank you we have those questions

[1:17:07] uh miss furnace or miss uh merritt

[1:17:11] are you able to answer the question with

[1:17:13] regard to public access on the

[1:17:15] waterway

[1:17:16] or would that be something that would

[1:17:18] come forward in the later report

[1:17:25] 3d worship i see miss furness is on so

[1:17:27] she may correct me

[1:17:28] uh but as far as the development that

[1:17:31] might be and i i'm not sure that they're

[1:17:33] still able to talk but that might be the

[1:17:36] consultants might be able to propose to

[1:17:38] uh discuss a little bit more of what

[1:17:40] they have

[1:17:41] uh proposed uh as far as

[1:17:44] access to the creek

[1:17:47] ms stookie are you able to respond to

[1:17:49] that

[1:17:50] um

[1:17:51] three and mr chair

[1:17:53] and the

[1:17:55] the proposal does include the dedication

[1:17:58] of block 11

[1:17:59] for conservation and this has been done

[1:18:02] in consultation with the conservation

[1:18:04] authority

[1:18:05] and given that it is a flood plain there

[1:18:07] were some potential safety concerns

[1:18:10] brought up with access but

[1:18:12] um

[1:18:13] the

[1:18:14] owner and developer would be open to

[1:18:16] working with the township and

[1:18:18] conservation authority as the land is

[1:18:21] intended to be dedicated to the township

[1:18:23] for conservation in consultation with

[1:18:25] them

[1:18:27] thank you

[1:18:28] and is anyone able to address the

[1:18:30] question with regard to

[1:18:32] low income housing

[1:18:36] um

[1:18:37] through you the

[1:18:38] they're not designated affordable units

[1:18:41] proposed at this time but 70 detached

[1:18:43] and townhouse dwellings are typically

[1:18:45] more affordable or more attainable

[1:18:47] compared to

[1:18:49] um if singles were developed on the same

[1:18:51] lot um so um no formal partnership with

[1:18:55] affordable housing but the proposed form

[1:18:57] is considered to be a more attainable

[1:18:59] form of housing

[1:19:01] thank you

[1:19:02] again your comments mr hilson will be uh

[1:19:05] recorded and brought forward back in the

[1:19:07] in the report coming back to council

[1:19:10] do you have anything further mr hillson

[1:19:13] no thank you very much

[1:19:15] thank you

[1:19:16] council any questions

[1:19:19] then i'll go to the clerk

[1:19:21] do we have another attendee yes mr

[1:19:24] salter

[1:19:25] mr salter

[1:19:27] welcome mr salter if you could unmute

[1:19:30] can you hear me okay

[1:19:32] yes i have on music can you hear me yes

[1:19:34] we can hear you now do you give us your

[1:19:36] name and address and uh tell us your

[1:19:37] thoughts

[1:19:39] uh david salter 130 factory lane and

[1:19:42] bath just to the south of this proposed

[1:19:44] development

[1:19:46] i've

[1:19:47] read through the

[1:19:49] the staff report sr 1890

[1:19:52] and the parts that struck me

[1:19:54] particularly where it says

[1:19:56] the

[1:19:57] municipality should provide an

[1:19:59] appropriate range and mix of housing

[1:20:01] options and densities

[1:20:03] i should say that in the municipality

[1:20:05] this is being provided

[1:20:07] in several other areas for example off

[1:20:10] highway 6 south of the taylor kid

[1:20:12] and also off spears road

[1:20:15] in all those areas there are multiple

[1:20:17] residential units and the semis

[1:20:20] i don't think it's at all appropriate in

[1:20:22] this particular area

[1:20:24] also

[1:20:26] which i i noticed that the staff report

[1:20:28] had included my comments as well as

[1:20:31] those of all the others who have

[1:20:32] commented however

[1:20:34] i should just like to emphasize again

[1:20:37] that

[1:20:37] there's a requirement

[1:20:39] in the official plan for buffering

[1:20:41] between medium and low density uses

[1:20:44] to minify min to minimize the adverse

[1:20:47] impacts

[1:20:48] and

[1:20:49] the plan as put out now shows no

[1:20:52] buffering at all

[1:20:54] the fire the third point i want to make

[1:20:56] is the

[1:20:57] request

[1:20:59] to

[1:20:59] reduce the side yard front yard

[1:21:03] and

[1:21:04] the various other yards there's very

[1:21:05] large reductions required

[1:21:08] in the official plan

[1:21:09] yard designations and i think that also

[1:21:12] illustrates the fact that this is not a

[1:21:15] suitable

[1:21:16] development for this area as it's

[1:21:18] currently indicated

[1:21:20] thank you

[1:21:23] again i'll turn to staff is there any

[1:21:25] comments with with those particular

[1:21:27] points

[1:21:33] through your worship uh not particularly

[1:21:36] just that we've received the comments

[1:21:37] and all of these comments will be

[1:21:39] considered when we come back to council

[1:21:41] with a report

[1:21:42] thank you very much

[1:21:44] thank you mr salter

[1:21:46] okay

[1:21:47] and i will turn to the clerk for next up

[1:21:51] uh we have catherine murphy

[1:21:54] ms murphy

[1:21:57] can you hear me okay if you could unmute

[1:21:59] we'll find out if we can hear you

[1:22:05] this time you still appear to be muted

[1:22:22] if i can offer a suggestion

[1:22:26] if you have two systems running right

[1:22:28] now turn one of them off

[1:22:33] yes

[1:22:43] there's something your microphone is

[1:22:45] picking up your speakers

[1:22:49] you see

[1:22:55] [Music]

[1:23:05] i'll have to leave it for now

[1:23:07] okay

[1:23:08] if you can still hear me miss murphy we

[1:23:10] would really like you to put your uh

[1:23:12] comments in writing uh or if you can

[1:23:14] join back in a few moments uh with uh

[1:23:17] solving that technical issue thank you

[1:23:23] you've still got the echo

[1:23:29] it's a feedback loop

[1:23:36] okay now that you're muted we can

[1:23:38] hear each other

[1:23:40] um

[1:23:42] again if you can solve the technical

[1:23:43] issue we would invite you back in to

[1:23:44] present but in the meantime we will move

[1:23:47] on to the next presenter and uh if

[1:23:49] you're not able to address that please

[1:23:51] provide it in writing uh through to the

[1:23:53] clerk

[1:23:55] can you hear me now

[1:23:56] we can and there's no echo

[1:23:59] well bev

[1:24:00] excellent go ahead it will be bad form

[1:24:03] and speaking because we're sharing

[1:24:06] um

[1:24:09] hi this is beverly again

[1:24:11] this is beverly hallman

[1:24:14] i live at 483 main street

[1:24:17] okay

[1:24:18] um

[1:24:20] now that i have had to move rooms

[1:24:23] i haven't got a late to show

[1:24:25] what i wanted to talk about

[1:24:28] however um

[1:24:31] the concern what concerns me is the

[1:24:33] historic value of bath

[1:24:35] this is one of the oldest communities

[1:24:38] in ontario

[1:24:39] we have heritage homes up and down the

[1:24:42] street

[1:24:45] and even though

[1:24:47] your consultant is only required to have

[1:24:50] blank blank blank

[1:24:51] and

[1:24:53] only required to

[1:24:55] be under 10 meters and

[1:24:57] i think those rules should be

[1:24:59] put aside because of the historic value

[1:25:02] of this of the town

[1:25:04] we have

[1:25:07] tried

[1:25:08] very hard in bath to keep it in its

[1:25:12] historic

[1:25:13] nature

[1:25:14] we had a lac la lac which was local

[1:25:18] historic conservation

[1:25:20] a lot of people aren't aware of that

[1:25:23] we had

[1:25:24] and we had an historic society we had

[1:25:26] the fairfield goodside house

[1:25:28] we have the

[1:25:30] masonic hall we have the town hall and

[1:25:33] when we resided the town hall there were

[1:25:35] a lot of complaints because we weren't

[1:25:38] staying to the historic nature of bath

[1:25:41] so there are many many people who need

[1:25:44] to have this town remain as it is

[1:25:48] now

[1:25:49] i invite people to take a drive

[1:25:52] into amherst view and particularly on

[1:25:56] walden pond it's called

[1:25:58] to have a look at the homes that are in

[1:26:00] there

[1:26:01] they are chock-a-block on top of each

[1:26:03] other

[1:26:04] they are incredibly tall because a

[1:26:06] walk-out basement evidently isn't a

[1:26:08] walk-out basement out the back a

[1:26:10] walk-out basement is a garage on the

[1:26:13] main floor and then

[1:26:16] above that the main floor of the house

[1:26:18] the living section of the house plus the

[1:26:20] bedrooms on the third floor

[1:26:22] this is taller than anything we have

[1:26:25] here in bass um and as i said

[1:26:28] they're allowed to do it the 10 meters

[1:26:31] is what they're allowed to do

[1:26:33] but we should consider

[1:26:35] that

[1:26:36] in bath we need to maintain the historic

[1:26:39] values

[1:26:43] the first comment or in the first

[1:26:45] comments

[1:26:47] they were talking about medium density

[1:26:49] housing

[1:26:51] and they made no mention whatsoever of

[1:26:53] the 130 homes that are

[1:26:56] going in directly behind here which are

[1:26:58] medium density so we are not lacking in

[1:27:01] medium density homes

[1:27:03] in bath

[1:27:05] so

[1:27:06] plus there are many other subdivisions

[1:27:08] going in

[1:27:12] one other comment

[1:27:14] cash in lieu of parkland

[1:27:16] what's that going to do for the village

[1:27:18] what's that going to do for the the

[1:27:21] it's going to give you money in your

[1:27:22] pocket to do something but

[1:27:24] it's not going to give our children

[1:27:26] places to play i'm directly across the

[1:27:29] street from this place and um

[1:27:33] it's just uh

[1:27:35] amazing to me that they could consider

[1:27:38] putting

[1:27:39] such a

[1:27:41] i don't even know what to call it such

[1:27:44] so many

[1:27:45] houses

[1:27:46] on that tiny piece of land

[1:27:49] um

[1:27:50] so

[1:27:52] um

[1:27:54] also when when we went in to have a look

[1:27:57] at walden pond

[1:27:59] which is um

[1:28:00] in amherst view as i said and it's

[1:28:03] walkout basements which are actually the

[1:28:06] main the

[1:28:07] floor on the ground floor is the walkout

[1:28:10] basement so then the living quarters are

[1:28:12] above that and above that again

[1:28:16] there was an incredible amount of

[1:28:18] parking

[1:28:20] on the street

[1:28:22] there were cars all over the street

[1:28:24] we

[1:28:25] couldn't get down the street without

[1:28:27] swerving back and forth to go around

[1:28:29] cars that were parked there

[1:28:31] so um

[1:28:34] i think

[1:28:36] that you're dreaming if you think that

[1:28:38] there's not going to be a parking

[1:28:40] problem on this street especially with

[1:28:43] fire trucks

[1:28:44] and emergency vehicles getting in there

[1:28:47] um

[1:28:49] and the every house has at least two

[1:28:52] cars if not three

[1:28:54] and there's just definitely not enough

[1:28:56] parking and they will park on the street

[1:28:58] and they will possibly park

[1:29:01] on other streets that are nearby

[1:29:03] and um

[1:29:04] this is a this is a problem in bath

[1:29:07] uh

[1:29:08] we're just an accident waiting to happen

[1:29:10] on that main street

[1:29:12] anyway that's my comments for now

[1:29:15] uh thank you very much for hearing me

[1:29:17] thank you very much ma'am

[1:29:18] and uh there's no other comments from

[1:29:21] questions from council and

[1:29:25] i'm seeing none i'll say thank you and

[1:29:27] we'll move to our next commenter

[1:29:31] madam clerk

[1:29:32] uh we have mr cunningham again

[1:29:36] before i return to mr cunningham

[1:29:39] i'm wondering that we do have a lot of

[1:29:40] people in attendance and in the audience

[1:29:43] uh is there anyone else who wishes to

[1:29:45] present a new person to present

[1:29:50] if there are no furthers oh

[1:29:53] i see a few coming in

[1:29:57] madam clerk if you could go to the next

[1:29:58] one

[1:30:01] uh well uh allowed to speak up

[1:30:08] hi this is uh

[1:30:10] hi this is mark kant uh i live at 335

[1:30:13] division street in kingston but

[1:30:16] i'm the estate trustee for the home of

[1:30:20] leon and teresa cant at 517 main street

[1:30:23] bath

[1:30:24] thank you where i grew up

[1:30:27] and

[1:30:30] my main concern

[1:30:32] is that i'm reading through the uh

[1:30:34] council report

[1:30:36] uh staff report

[1:30:38] and such

[1:30:40] a lot of people

[1:30:41] seem to be thinking of the site as

[1:30:44] having been a restaurant which yes it

[1:30:47] was for

[1:30:48] a good many years before it was a

[1:30:50] restaurant it was a fish cannery

[1:30:54] and uh the fish were dropped off at the

[1:30:57] uh

[1:30:58] wharf at the bottom of the factory lane

[1:31:00] uh taken from lake ontario

[1:31:03] back in the 40s and 50s and such

[1:31:06] brought up to the cannery for cleaning

[1:31:08] and

[1:31:10] packaging

[1:31:12] then there's

[1:31:13] fish waste coming from it uh parts that

[1:31:17] obviously you don't want to find on

[1:31:18] cattle fish

[1:31:20] uh

[1:31:22] back in summer of 1982 i worked for the

[1:31:25] village bath going through its back

[1:31:27] records

[1:31:29] basically

[1:31:30] helping to trim out stuff that was no

[1:31:32] longer needed i saw no records

[1:31:35] with respect to

[1:31:37] the fish cannery at the time

[1:31:39] but

[1:31:40] honestly

[1:31:42] back in the 40s the 50s the early 60s

[1:31:46] environmental stuff was not really a

[1:31:48] consideration

[1:31:49] and disposal of

[1:31:52] waste was not so much a consideration

[1:31:55] there's

[1:31:56] as well understanding of pollution in

[1:31:59] the fish

[1:32:00] particularly in the great lakes was

[1:32:02] definitely not a consideration yet

[1:32:04] i remember in the 70s when that started

[1:32:06] to be understood and

[1:32:08] was something of a surprise

[1:32:10] because i was a kid at the time had

[1:32:12] fishing on the

[1:32:15] dock

[1:32:16] out in front of the house

[1:32:19] the

[1:32:21] wastes from the fish

[1:32:25] i'm not sure where it was disposed but

[1:32:27] there is potential it was exposed on the

[1:32:29] site

[1:32:32] buried in the ground there

[1:32:34] from what i'm

[1:32:35] seeing in staff reports there was an

[1:32:37] understanding that there wasn't

[1:32:39] the potential of an environmental risk

[1:32:41] there

[1:32:42] my understanding is that if it was

[1:32:45] buried on the site or burnt on the site

[1:32:48] or whatever

[1:32:49] you're dealing with the pollutants the

[1:32:51] fish would have had

[1:32:53] including mercury

[1:32:55] which would be in the soil

[1:32:57] i would recommend before

[1:32:59] proceeding with housing development on

[1:33:02] that site

[1:33:03] to double check the soil

[1:33:06] if necessary

[1:33:07] some

[1:33:08] remediation happening

[1:33:10] obviously

[1:33:12] operating something like a restaurant

[1:33:14] where people are in and out quickly

[1:33:16] enough

[1:33:17] uh everything's contained within the

[1:33:19] building is a different thing from

[1:33:21] kids playing in the backyard

[1:33:24] and

[1:33:25] so that

[1:33:26] for all we know could be contaminated

[1:33:35] okay mr kent

[1:33:38] yeah

[1:33:39] thank you very much for those comments

[1:33:41] uh

[1:33:42] i will ask staff if they have any uh

[1:33:44] comments with regard to an environmental

[1:33:46] assessment on the property

[1:33:50] yes through you mr mayor i can confirm

[1:33:52] that one was required um any um and a

[1:33:56] record of site condition was submitted

[1:33:57] um as part of the application for this

[1:33:59] so which is currently being reviewed by

[1:34:01] staff as part of the technical review so

[1:34:04] record of site conditions are required

[1:34:05] and issued by the ministry of

[1:34:07] environment conservation and parks um to

[1:34:10] confirm that the analysis that was done

[1:34:12] and proper cleanup and everything was

[1:34:14] completed in order to change a

[1:34:17] non-residential use and and switch it to

[1:34:19] a more um residential one so we can't

[1:34:21] we're not permitted to um

[1:34:23] recommend approval for for changing the

[1:34:26] site to residential um unless that has

[1:34:28] been submitted and is satisfactory

[1:34:31] thank you

[1:34:32] and to your understanding it is

[1:34:34] satisfactory

[1:34:36] and that's what

[1:34:38] go ahead okay

[1:34:40] that's what it had that's what it had

[1:34:42] indicated but we're currently re

[1:34:44] reviewing it all and to ensure that our

[1:34:46] engineering team

[1:34:47] and the final comments from staff on

[1:34:49] that will be included in the final

[1:34:50] report

[1:34:52] yes that's correct yes okay thank you mr

[1:34:55] kent

[1:34:58] are there others in the audience who

[1:34:59] wish to present

[1:35:03] we have uh rick and ann myers

[1:35:07] welcome them in

[1:35:09] mr mr myers

[1:35:11] did we lose them

[1:35:16] they don't appear on my screen oh

[1:35:17] they're there

[1:35:20] i'm pushing the enemy

[1:35:23] and can

[1:35:24] can you hear me we can hear you yes okay

[1:35:27] excellent thank you give us your name

[1:35:28] and address make your comments please

[1:35:31] thank you it's uh rick myers 23 country

[1:35:34] club drive

[1:35:35] in bath and we back on to the bath creek

[1:35:39] along our south side

[1:35:41] just a couple of quick questions to

[1:35:44] ibi group

[1:35:46] number one they talked about she talked

[1:35:47] about

[1:35:50] not removing trees or

[1:35:52] trying to avoid to remove trees

[1:35:55] if necessary

[1:35:56] now they're along that property front

[1:35:58] there are a number of rather large trees

[1:36:00] that

[1:36:02] they're saying they can't don't have to

[1:36:04] remove but

[1:36:05] based on the plans that you currently

[1:36:07] have for for that density i'd be

[1:36:11] rather miffed at how you could possibly

[1:36:13] not remove those trees in order to get

[1:36:15] those houses in there that's number one

[1:36:18] number two you talk about two parking

[1:36:20] spots

[1:36:22] what are you considering two parking

[1:36:25] spots obviously the driveway

[1:36:27] are you considering the garage as

[1:36:28] another parking spot

[1:36:31] that's my second question

[1:36:33] my third question is to the

[1:36:36] council itself is the the water issue

[1:36:39] along there as you know you improved

[1:36:42] that area just recently

[1:36:44] but still

[1:36:45] if you've ever driven

[1:36:47] uh along main street

[1:36:49] during a rainstorm or shortly thereafter

[1:36:52] there are still a number of issues with

[1:36:54] water

[1:36:55] flooding the street

[1:36:58] also

[1:37:00] that's something to consider

[1:37:03] the traffic

[1:37:05] issue is going to be

[1:37:08] a major concern

[1:37:10] as council knows

[1:37:11] phase 8

[1:37:13] the caitlyn project is quickly coming to

[1:37:17] a point where they're going to be

[1:37:19] building homes

[1:37:20] now out of that subdivision there is

[1:37:23] only one exit

[1:37:25] and that is country club drive

[1:37:28] out onto main street

[1:37:30] so you're talking a substantial increase

[1:37:32] in traffic going

[1:37:35] east and west on main street

[1:37:38] and now you're going to add

[1:37:39] another

[1:37:40] 22 residents

[1:37:42] in a area that's low density and should

[1:37:46] remain low density

[1:37:49] my other concern is

[1:37:52] ibi talked about

[1:37:54] two to two and a half stories

[1:37:56] what are you putting in a half story

[1:37:59] on top of that house

[1:38:00] i can see a two-story i can see a

[1:38:02] three-story but what in tarnation is a

[1:38:04] half a story

[1:38:06] so i'd like that answered

[1:38:10] and finally uh the building that's there

[1:38:12] itself is obviously owned by

[1:38:17] or

[1:38:18] ibm or whoever owns it

[1:38:20] has it been examined for asbestos and if

[1:38:23] it has been

[1:38:24] what were the results

[1:38:26] from that

[1:38:28] so those are my questions okay thank you

[1:38:31] sir there was a number of questions

[1:38:32] there and i see uh

[1:38:34] our representative from the ibi group

[1:38:36] has come on screen

[1:38:37] right

[1:38:38] stuki are you able to answer some of

[1:38:40] those i know that our staff have

[1:38:42] recorded all of those questions and it

[1:38:44] will be included in in the report but

[1:38:47] miss tooky if you have answers right

[1:38:49] this moment you can go ahead

[1:38:51] yes thank you i'm three year worship

[1:38:54] um i'll comment first on the comment

[1:38:56] about

[1:38:57] trees so the

[1:38:59] property will be subject to like a

[1:39:01] landscaping plan and tree removal and

[1:39:03] preservation plan intention would be to

[1:39:06] preserve trees where possible it is

[1:39:07] quite a large municipal

[1:39:09] right-of-way in front of the property so

[1:39:11] there may be instances where the trees

[1:39:13] are within the boulevard

[1:39:15] and can be preserved as well and new

[1:39:17] plantings will be provided so that

[1:39:19] detail is to follow

[1:39:22] but will be looked at as part of the

[1:39:23] townships review i can confirm that yes

[1:39:26] one of the two parking spaces is in the

[1:39:28] garage so there's a parking space in the

[1:39:29] garage and a parking space in the

[1:39:31] driveway

[1:39:32] and then in terms of the two and a half

[1:39:34] stories typically the half story would

[1:39:36] be

[1:39:37] [Music]

[1:39:38] one with a peaked roof like a story with

[1:39:41] the peak roof and you see the um

[1:39:43] the one rendering show the dormer

[1:39:45] windows

[1:39:47] um

[1:39:48] and in terms of asbestos testing

[1:39:51] um

[1:39:53] i'll reiterate again the phase one

[1:39:55] environmental assessment was completed

[1:39:57] and any demolition

[1:39:59] of the existing building would be

[1:40:03] contained and done according to all

[1:40:04] regulations

[1:40:07] thank you

[1:40:11] mr myers

[1:40:13] you've heard the comments and again

[1:40:15] these these questions will be recorded

[1:40:17] and answered in the final report

[1:40:22] just just for council to consider uh

[1:40:25] if you

[1:40:26] have been into westbrook

[1:40:29] where they've built those uh row houses

[1:40:33] along highway two

[1:40:35] yeah highway two there

[1:40:38] again that's the type typical type of

[1:40:41] residence where they say there's two

[1:40:42] parking spots

[1:40:44] and

[1:40:45] as you can see they they are small uh

[1:40:47] townhouses and there's nothing wrong

[1:40:49] with townhouses

[1:40:50] [Music]

[1:40:52] the garage is full of everything but a

[1:40:54] car

[1:40:55] they have one car in the driveway

[1:40:58] and they have cars and trucks lining

[1:41:00] that

[1:41:00] little street there

[1:41:02] and that's exactly what's going to

[1:41:04] happen with the ibi group project in

[1:41:07] bath

[1:41:09] it's these things that they say oh well

[1:41:11] you've got two parking spots

[1:41:14] one in the garage yeah right

[1:41:16] i have a two-car garage and i have a

[1:41:17] hard time getting my one car

[1:41:20] uh with all the stuff one has and

[1:41:22] collects

[1:41:23] cooling lawnmowers and snowblowers and

[1:41:25] so forth

[1:41:26] but nevertheless i

[1:41:28] i'm certainly uh

[1:41:31] supportive of this type of group coming

[1:41:34] in and wanting to do something to for

[1:41:36] the betterment of bath and bringing new

[1:41:37] people to bath

[1:41:39] i just think that they're

[1:41:41] they're being

[1:41:42] overly

[1:41:45] optimistic and thinking that

[1:41:47] that many units could really have any

[1:41:50] um

[1:41:52] any uh

[1:41:53] way it could uh

[1:41:55] make bath

[1:41:57] better

[1:41:58] we have lots of uh places that are being

[1:42:00] built as the former person spoke about

[1:42:03] uh phase eight for one uh the new

[1:42:06] subdivision that's going in beside fast

[1:42:08] freddy's in that mall area up there

[1:42:10] which is quite large as well

[1:42:13] we're not really hard-pressed for those

[1:42:16] types of

[1:42:17] of

[1:42:19] dwellings

[1:42:20] being stuck in the middle of a

[1:42:22] low-density uh area such as

[1:42:26] what they're proposing now uh

[1:42:28] like i say i certainly propose the

[1:42:30] growth of bath and i'd like to see it

[1:42:33] grow but i think they're just being over

[1:42:35] optimistic in what they want the plan

[1:42:37] there and they should really consider

[1:42:39] about going back to the the drawing

[1:42:40] board on this one thank you

[1:42:43] thank you mr myers

[1:42:45] okay

[1:42:46] i come back to the clerk is there anyone

[1:42:48] anything further anyone else that wishes

[1:42:51] to speak

[1:42:52] uh i have mr cunningham with his hand up

[1:42:55] i'm not sure whether he's

[1:42:57] and

[1:42:58] i'll let's bring mr cunningham in verb a

[1:43:01] brief comment and i will reiterate brief

[1:43:05] he's removed his uh

[1:43:07] oh he's removed his hand yes okay

[1:43:11] thank you not seeing any uh nope nope

[1:43:13] it's back up again

[1:43:17] i'll give him one final option

[1:43:21] okay should be able to unmute mr

[1:43:23] cunningham if you can hear me you can

[1:43:25] unmute and give us your final cut

[1:43:26] thoughts oh i'm unmuted

[1:43:29] go ahead okay i i would i'm thinking

[1:43:32] that regarding the uh what mr meyer had

[1:43:35] said and i totally agree

[1:43:37] with them but it's

[1:43:38] if they decide to build something in

[1:43:40] there that's got to

[1:43:42] it's got to be like what's there now

[1:43:45] we're not i don't think we're already

[1:43:46] against them building it's just what

[1:43:49] they're going to build in there which

[1:43:51] was which which is the big question

[1:43:53] this is what all what i think

[1:43:56] and that's i know there's a couple and i

[1:43:58] think the environmental studies really

[1:44:00] got really got to be looked at before

[1:44:03] that that project goes

[1:44:06] that's all i have to say

[1:44:07] okay thank you very much mr cunningham

[1:44:10] and you're welcome okay

[1:44:13] anyone else

[1:44:14] look at the final call oh we i see mr

[1:44:17] hudayson's hand up again

[1:44:19] hopefully they'll be able to chime in

[1:44:32] are we able to bring them in madam clerk

[1:44:37] um

[1:44:43] they have to accept to come over i'm

[1:44:45] trying to move them into the

[1:44:51] okay we can see mr hudayson in the main

[1:44:54] area

[1:44:56] if he is able to unmute

[1:45:00] he's welcome to provide us comments

[1:45:03] mr hudeisen are you able to unmute

[1:45:09] it might be gene as well mr dason

[1:45:14] i'm not seeing them being able to unmute

[1:45:17] we cannot hear you yet

[1:45:21] so there will be a button um i'm just

[1:45:24] asking them to unmute they should just

[1:45:26] be able to tap on that and then be able

[1:45:29] to speak

[1:45:34] it looks like a microphone

[1:45:36] on my screen anyway

[1:45:40] yeah

[1:45:41] there you are we can hear you joe

[1:45:43] hello

[1:45:44] can you hear me we can

[1:45:49] oh mr reeve deputy reid

[1:45:51] members of council

[1:45:56] it's really uh really a pleasure to

[1:45:58] address you again

[1:46:00] now uh what i understand is that there's

[1:46:02] been a lot of representation from

[1:46:05] people in the area

[1:46:08] and i haven't been able to speak to

[1:46:10] anyone in the area who

[1:46:12] really supports this this development

[1:46:15] there are a lot of concerns

[1:46:18] and as everybody stated

[1:46:20] earlier the concerns

[1:46:22] are about the quality of life in bath

[1:46:25] the uh

[1:46:26] the idea that it's a historical place

[1:46:29] and that it's a smaller place with a lot

[1:46:31] of uh memories

[1:46:34] we're we're concerned about the density

[1:46:37] even though

[1:46:38] on paper

[1:46:39] according to regulations

[1:46:41] it could be a classified as a lower

[1:46:43] density uh kind of a

[1:46:46] uh development but that's a number

[1:46:48] that's a matter of numbers not a matter

[1:46:51] of lifestyle

[1:46:53] i the other thing is the the whole

[1:46:55] traffic study i agree with the

[1:46:58] concerns that the other people have

[1:47:00] brought up as well

[1:47:02] in terms of other development of path

[1:47:04] that's that's affecting

[1:47:06] main street anybody coming out of

[1:47:09] uh loyalist estates

[1:47:11] turns east

[1:47:13] and that's across the lane of traffic

[1:47:15] that's going to be

[1:47:16] still just as

[1:47:18] awkward and prolific as it is now so it

[1:47:21] raises a a problem there

[1:47:23] i've been to other cul-de-sacs uh in

[1:47:26] bath

[1:47:27] and in atmosphere

[1:47:29] and they're

[1:47:31] they're cul-de-sacs that have single

[1:47:35] resident single family residence

[1:47:37] they have double driveways and still a

[1:47:40] problem with parking

[1:47:42] um

[1:47:43] in this case

[1:47:45] what's proposed is

[1:47:47] two cars one under garage and one

[1:47:51] in the driveway

[1:47:52] but with the frontages such as they are

[1:47:55] so small

[1:47:56] there isn't a lot of room to park in a

[1:47:59] cul-de-sac like that

[1:48:00] and i've seen in cul-de-sacs here

[1:48:03] that people park right in the middle

[1:48:05] when they have company

[1:48:08] the kind of development that's being

[1:48:10] proposed here

[1:48:12] was

[1:48:14] idealized by the developer as something

[1:48:16] for seniors i don't think that's

[1:48:18] necessarily going to be the case i think

[1:48:20] the market if those houses are

[1:48:22] affordable we'll see young families with

[1:48:25] children

[1:48:26] and that cul-de-sac is going to turn

[1:48:29] into a

[1:48:30] playground the cul-de-sac the way it

[1:48:33] looks on the land on the uh dimensions

[1:48:36] opens up onto uh

[1:48:38] the bath road main street

[1:48:41] and there's no sidewalk leading to the

[1:48:43] to the main street

[1:48:44] that means that anybody coming out of

[1:48:46] there including smaller people

[1:48:49] uh just walk along the road

[1:48:51] uh onto the bathroom sidewalks that's

[1:48:54] that should be addressed

[1:48:55] um

[1:48:57] there

[1:48:58] the number of other uh

[1:49:02] uh concerns that that i've heard

[1:49:04] are uh similar as well

[1:49:07] uh there's there's a question of parking

[1:49:10] that's the parking on main street the

[1:49:12] traffic on main street

[1:49:14] i don't know what

[1:49:17] the developers

[1:49:19] traffic study

[1:49:22] arrived at but

[1:49:24] i think and i think everybody that i've

[1:49:26] spoken to

[1:49:27] naturally see that there's going to be

[1:49:29] an impact on the traffic in the area

[1:49:33] and

[1:49:33] everybody that i've spoken to feels like

[1:49:36] a citizen of bat

[1:49:38] in the neighborhood that they live in

[1:49:40] and have enjoyed so much

[1:49:43] so uh just reflecting what people have

[1:49:46] told me here

[1:49:47] uh and i'm sure that uh

[1:49:49] all these

[1:49:51] concerns have been submitted in writing

[1:49:54] and uh and tabled at the open house so

[1:49:57] thank you very much for your support

[1:50:01] not support

[1:50:02] i thought i was canvassing again

[1:50:04] uh thank you very much for hearing me

[1:50:07] and

[1:50:08] i appreciate this opportunity to address

[1:50:10] council

[1:50:16] thank you mr judaism okay

[1:50:18] there's any other further comments

[1:50:23] madam clerk

[1:50:26] uh sorry we have uh two people who have

[1:50:29] uh spoken before uh the cunningham and

[1:50:32] catherine murphy or

[1:50:34] whoever

[1:50:36] murphy i appreciate the enthusiasm i

[1:50:39] will allow miss murphy to come back in

[1:50:41] but mr cunningham's already had a couple

[1:50:43] opportunities i think i'll cut it off

[1:50:45] there but please bring ms murphy back in

[1:50:47] for a final comment

[1:50:54] i'm hoping right now that you can hear

[1:50:56] me we can hear you

[1:50:58] good and it was not me speaking

[1:51:00] before

[1:51:01] no

[1:51:02] um so i'm

[1:51:07] a lot of uh concerns

[1:51:10] um i read the 116 pages of

[1:51:15] of comments uh right at the very

[1:51:18] beginning it said something that may be

[1:51:21] really simple but it said that we have

[1:51:23] schools

[1:51:25] plural and really we don't we have one

[1:51:28] and so the buses for all the separate

[1:51:31] school kids and all the high school kids

[1:51:34] uh

[1:51:35] would be leaving the village so that's

[1:51:38] another concern about that area it's

[1:51:41] very very congested

[1:51:43] and you know i liked what i think was

[1:51:46] mrs mcintosh and odessa was talking

[1:51:50] about is

[1:51:51] is you know we moved to an area

[1:51:53] um so we can hear the birds well right

[1:51:56] now we hear traffic

[1:51:58] and i i really

[1:52:00] think that we would be making a huge

[1:52:03] mistake for the village bath for the

[1:52:05] historic

[1:52:06] uh village of bath and i was part of

[1:52:09] lockhack so i'm

[1:52:11] you know

[1:52:12] quite passionate about that is um we're

[1:52:15] making a very big mistake that we won't

[1:52:17] be able to undo

[1:52:22] and so all my further comments are

[1:52:24] written

[1:52:25] but i would also uh move that we

[1:52:28] are able to write in email in like the

[1:52:31] odesk people are

[1:52:33] for those that haven't been able to make

[1:52:35] contact

[1:52:36] absolutely miss murphy we would

[1:52:38] encourage everyone to communicate as

[1:52:41] much as possible uh as quickly as

[1:52:43] possible as well

[1:52:45] by email

[1:52:46] or obviously through this public forum

[1:52:51] thanks

[1:52:52] thank you

[1:52:54] what is the time frame um for this stuff

[1:52:58] and i will turn to the director or miss

[1:53:01] furnace

[1:53:02] for what's the time frame on comments

[1:53:14] yes through you mr mayor um the i mean

[1:53:17] the the the planning act timelines our

[1:53:19] comments can be submitted right up until

[1:53:21] council makes a decision and passes a

[1:53:23] bylaw um however um

[1:53:26] i would just um caution everybody that

[1:53:28] staff are currently in the technical

[1:53:30] review of the of these applications so

[1:53:32] um we would really like to be able to

[1:53:34] incorporate um any public feedback into

[1:53:37] consideration in our technical comments

[1:53:39] back to the applicant um which were

[1:53:41] which we're aiming to send back within

[1:53:43] the month so

[1:53:44] um

[1:53:45] the sooner we can get those to um

[1:53:47] consider any additional comments um to

[1:53:49] our comments that are being currently

[1:53:51] drafted right now it would be um very

[1:53:53] helpful

[1:53:55] thank you and one one more comment is

[1:53:57] that um i understand that you send out

[1:54:00] notices

[1:54:01] and i was included in that because i'm

[1:54:03] part of a radius

[1:54:04] but i think in the village of

[1:54:07] the radius really needs to be a whole

[1:54:09] lot huger

[1:54:11] because it is a village about bath it's

[1:54:13] the historic village about it's not just

[1:54:16] x amount of meters from

[1:54:19] where the old anchor was

[1:54:22] so i really feel that we've left out a

[1:54:24] whole lot of people that have a whole

[1:54:26] lot of passion

[1:54:28] about this village

[1:54:31] thank you for your comments miss murphy

[1:54:36] and i will come back

[1:54:41] wait a moment

[1:54:43] council do we have any comments

[1:54:48] there mrs murphy is now muted so that

[1:54:50] should work better okay

[1:54:52] do we have any other comments

[1:54:55] and i'll turn to the clerk one last time

[1:54:57] is there anyone new wishing to speak

[1:55:00] to this public meeting

[1:55:04] uh not that i see your worship

[1:55:09] but that then i will move forward we

[1:55:11] have a recommendation before us that

[1:55:13] we'll receive all of these comments and

[1:55:15] that a recommendation be brought forward

[1:55:18] to council once the comments from the

[1:55:20] departments the agencies and the public

[1:55:22] have been addressed

[1:55:24] and there's a motion to their

[1:55:26] recommendation to that effect i would

[1:55:27] look to counsel for a motion

[1:55:30] i'll go to councillor budaric

[1:55:35] that's where booter excel moved

[1:55:38] okay do i have a seconder

[1:55:42] counselor garden thank you

[1:55:44] any comments

[1:55:49] seeing none i'll call the question

[1:55:51] all those in favor please raise a hand

[1:55:54] and he opposed motion is carried at this

[1:55:58] time that brings us to the end of the

[1:55:59] public meetings i would like to say

[1:56:01] thank you to the audience members and

[1:56:03] all of the speakers on on uh the various

[1:56:05] type of the two topics uh i appreciate

[1:56:08] your feedback they will be incorporated

[1:56:10] into the reports and those will be

[1:56:12] coming forward in a public manner before

[1:56:14] council at some date in the future i'm

[1:56:17] not sure exactly how long it will take

[1:56:19] uh but to that end i do appreciate your

[1:56:22] participation and fighting through the

[1:56:24] technology that we're dealing with with

[1:56:26] virtual meetings

[1:56:28] so we come to the end of the public

[1:56:30] meetings we move on to our agenda and

[1:56:33] item 7

[1:56:34] 7.1 is the motion to adopt the agenda as

[1:56:37] it's presented before us to the clerk is

[1:56:39] there anything to add to the agenda at

[1:56:41] this time

[1:56:42] not that i'm aware of your worship thank

[1:56:44] you council

[1:56:46] are we happy with the agenda can we get

[1:56:48] a motion to approve the agenda

[1:56:51] counselor talented second by deputy

[1:56:53] mayor

[1:56:54] any comment all those in favor please

[1:56:57] raise a hand

[1:56:59] any opposed

[1:57:01] motion is carried is there any

[1:57:03] declaration of binary interest in the

[1:57:05] general nature thereof

[1:57:08] and seeing

[1:57:10] none

[1:57:12] okay we'll move forward

[1:57:14] first up uh delegations we have uh miss

[1:57:17] kimberly with regard to the odessa

[1:57:19] fairgrounds do we have miss kimberly in

[1:57:22] the audience

[1:57:24] i see mr field he's also associated with

[1:57:27] the odessa egg society

[1:57:31] if miss kimberly's not here perhaps we

[1:57:33] can bring in mr field

[1:57:34] yeah i've switched over he should be

[1:57:37] able to speak now mr field we can see

[1:57:40] you but you're muted right now so we

[1:57:42] can't hear you

[1:57:44] bear can you hear us now we can hear you

[1:57:46] now is that florence

[1:57:47] it is

[1:57:49] welcome miss kimberly thank you

[1:57:51] so thank you for your time this is

[1:57:53] regarding um a call that we got from

[1:57:56] utilities about a huge water bill at the

[1:57:58] fairgrounds

[1:58:00] after the call we immediately checked to

[1:58:02] find no leaks no water damage so the

[1:58:05] consumption did not make sense to us

[1:58:08] as

[1:58:09] we'd been closed since march of 220.

[1:58:13] we shut the water off and called our

[1:58:14] plumber mike carey who verified there

[1:58:16] was no leaks all outside tops and water

[1:58:19] lines to exterior buildings

[1:58:21] are controlled from inside and they were

[1:58:24] had been blown out and all shut off

[1:58:26] uh loyalist utilities came and did a

[1:58:29] download of the information from our

[1:58:31] meter and provided us with a graph of

[1:58:34] our usage which showed that we used in

[1:58:36] excess of 235 cubic meters in one day

[1:58:40] this translates to about four

[1:58:42] tractor-trailer loads of water

[1:58:45] which when you do the math that volume

[1:58:48] is not possible to go through the meter

[1:58:51] and water lines that we have

[1:58:54] we paid a portion of the bill which

[1:58:56] we believe was in keeping with our usual

[1:58:59] bill

[1:59:00] so we're asking council to forgive the

[1:59:02] remaining portion of the bill not

[1:59:04] because the oas cannot pay it but

[1:59:07] because we feel there was a problem and

[1:59:10] no one has been able to explain and we

[1:59:13] want to have suggestions on moving

[1:59:16] forward so it doesn't happen again

[1:59:19] and we sent a letter to the utilities

[1:59:24] saying that oh

[1:59:26] the odessa agriculture society received

[1:59:29] a bill of 2500 and 1845

[1:59:33] and from loyalist township examination

[1:59:36] of the fairgrounds water sewer system by

[1:59:38] both oas maintenance people licensed

[1:59:41] plumber and township workers

[1:59:43] has not rece revealed any reason for the

[1:59:46] puzzling huge increase in usage

[1:59:49] the puzzling is the operative word

[1:59:52] because due to cobid

[1:59:55] it has resulted in cancellation of all

[1:59:58] our scheduled events and activities at

[2:00:00] the fairgrounds including the fair

[2:00:03] since march of 220. even regular

[2:00:05] cleaning of the buildings was suspended

[2:00:09] the oas is managed by volunteers and are

[2:00:12] striving to preserve the fairgrounds

[2:00:14] into the future for the benefit of the

[2:00:16] community

[2:00:17] despite the lack of revenue from rentals

[2:00:20] in the fair the oas is still responsible

[2:00:22] for insurance maintenance and utility

[2:00:25] expenses

[2:00:26] based on the amount of our previous

[2:00:28] bills we send a check for 515.54

[2:00:33] to cover the

[2:00:34] march 16th to may 15th billing

[2:00:37] the oas respectfully asks that the

[2:00:39] loyalist township forgive

[2:00:41] the remainder of the

[2:00:43] 25-18-45 bill and worked with the oas to

[2:00:46] determine the cause of the improbable

[2:00:49] meter reading

[2:00:50] so we want to thank you for considering

[2:00:53] our request

[2:00:55] okay thank you very much ms kimberly

[2:00:58] and for the presentation i will turn to

[2:01:00] council for questions

[2:01:04] anyone on council wish to have

[2:01:06] any further information

[2:01:10] and i'm seeing none okay

[2:01:14] and i will say miss kimberly i

[2:01:15] appreciate that you have worked with our

[2:01:17] utilities uh staff

[2:01:19] to to attempt to resolve this puzzling

[2:01:22] situation and uh i can't

[2:01:26] agree that the

[2:01:27] the uh

[2:01:29] the ag society has been uh very

[2:01:31] beneficial to the township over the

[2:01:34] years council

[2:01:37] we have a presentation

[2:01:39] and what would you like to do with it

[2:01:42] i'll go to the deputy

[2:01:45] thank you

[2:01:46] um i'd like to make a motion

[2:01:49] to receive the delegation with thanks

[2:01:52] and request staff to determine the

[2:01:55] one-time unusual amount

[2:01:58] of this invoice

[2:02:00] and that the township provide relief of

[2:02:02] that amount and that staff continue to

[2:02:06] work with the agricultural society to

[2:02:08] determine

[2:02:09] the cause of

[2:02:11] this anomaly if if

[2:02:14] if it can be determined

[2:02:17] even up to um checking the water meter

[2:02:20] and replacing if

[2:02:22] needed

[2:02:24] does the clerk have clarity on that

[2:02:26] motion

[2:02:29] yes we can yes we will

[2:02:31] thank you and thank you deputy do i have

[2:02:33] a seconder

[2:02:36] i'll go to councillor budaric thank you

[2:02:39] deputy would you like to make comment

[2:02:42] yes um thank you um

[2:02:45] i just uh first off

[2:02:48] i appreciate the fact that the township

[2:02:50] staff and the agriculture society have

[2:02:52] worked together so well trying to

[2:02:54] determine what uh what did happen um

[2:02:57] with nothing

[2:02:58] solid

[2:02:59] [Music]

[2:03:01] i believe that this

[2:03:02] with the agricult cultural society as

[2:03:04] you say

[2:03:05] um

[2:03:06] they've been a great partner for the

[2:03:08] community and for the township

[2:03:12] they're open to all community events and

[2:03:14] they're very

[2:03:17] open to

[2:03:19] um if there's a community event or or

[2:03:21] something is needed that's going to

[2:03:22] benefit the community

[2:03:24] um in the past they've even relaxed

[2:03:26] their fee schedule

[2:03:28] to make sure that it is taken care of

[2:03:31] so

[2:03:33] i'd like to see it continue

[2:03:35] they've also as was mentioned they're

[2:03:37] going on two years with no income even

[2:03:39] though they may not be out of money i i

[2:03:42] think that this is uh

[2:03:46] a great way that we can assist them to

[2:03:48] make sure that they

[2:03:50] do are able to weather the rest of this

[2:03:52] closure and

[2:03:54] be able to be here when we need them and

[2:03:56] again i just thank i thank staff for

[2:03:58] working with them as well to make sure

[2:04:00] that

[2:04:00] um it got to this point to be able to be

[2:04:03] a delegation

[2:04:05] thank you secondary did you have comment

[2:04:07] uh just quickly i just uh would love the

[2:04:10] staff report uh as requested by the

[2:04:12] deputy just to

[2:04:14] see what

[2:04:15] might have triggered a one-time issue

[2:04:17] because this may come up elsewhere in

[2:04:19] the municipality if we can get ahead of

[2:04:21] it that would be a great thing

[2:04:23] thank you

[2:04:24] any and anyone else wish to comment

[2:04:30] anyone

[2:04:32] i'm seeing no further comment

[2:04:34] deputy do you want final

[2:04:38] i think i was long-winded and no thank

[2:04:40] you

[2:04:40] thank you and then i'll call the

[2:04:42] question all those in favor please raise

[2:04:45] a hand

[2:04:47] any opposed

[2:04:49] motion is carried

[2:04:51] thank you very much miss kimberly and mr

[2:04:53] field for facilitating the uh the

[2:04:55] technology

[2:04:56] thank you very much for your help with

[2:04:58] this

[2:04:59] and thank you

[2:05:00] and uh you have a good evening

[2:05:03] moving forward to item 9.2

[2:05:07] we have a presentation from

[2:05:09] i believe it's amy gagne from food cycle

[2:05:11] science to the clerk do we have ms gagne

[2:05:14] uh it will be alex heyman i believe

[2:05:16] that's doing the delegation

[2:05:19] okay

[2:05:21] mr hammond

[2:05:22] welcome sir

[2:05:25] hello

[2:05:28] i do have a presentation are you able to

[2:05:31] see it

[2:05:32] council can receive that presentation

[2:05:36] i'm seeing nods go ahead sir

[2:05:39] okay so hello my name is uh alex heyman

[2:05:42] i'm dialing in today from ottawa i'm

[2:05:45] here today to talk about food waste and

[2:05:49] how our company is piloting new

[2:05:51] technology with 19 municipalities around

[2:05:55] canada mostly in ontario and how we'd be

[2:05:59] interested in exploring a potential

[2:06:01] partnership with

[2:06:03] loyalist township

[2:06:05] uh we have connected with mayor bressi

[2:06:08] in the past at an fcm event and have

[2:06:10] been in contact with

[2:06:12] staff

[2:06:14] over the past year uh regarding several

[2:06:17] informal uh discussions of a pilot

[2:06:20] program and so we'd like to share more

[2:06:22] information with council tonight and our

[2:06:25] request at the end of this presentation

[2:06:27] will be that

[2:06:29] council asks staff to explore this

[2:06:32] further

[2:06:35] so food cycle science as i mentioned

[2:06:36] we're based out of ottawa and our

[2:06:39] company is focused on music technology

[2:06:42] to solve the problem of food waste

[2:06:46] recently we've started partnering with

[2:06:48] many municipalities in canada to offer a

[2:06:51] solution for food waste diversion

[2:06:55] in the storm on dundas and glengarry

[2:06:57] area you're now working with three

[2:06:59] municipalities there which are south

[2:07:01] stormont south dundas and south

[2:07:03] glengarry and those will be interesting

[2:07:06] references because they're fairly close

[2:07:09] to loyalists

[2:07:11] in the direct to consumer space we work

[2:07:13] with brands including vitamix breville

[2:07:15] and sage and we also have a line of

[2:07:18] commercial food cycler machines

[2:07:23] as you know food waste is a big problem

[2:07:25] today and anywhere from 25 to 50 percent

[2:07:29] of the waste our houses produce is

[2:07:31] organic waste food waste is very heavy

[2:07:35] and we spend a lot of money on food that

[2:07:37] is ultimately wasted

[2:07:39] it's a significant problem for

[2:07:41] greenhouse gas emissions because once

[2:07:43] food waste reaches the landfill it

[2:07:46] decomposes anaerobically and releases

[2:07:49] harmful methane gases methane was a big

[2:07:52] discussion at the recent cop26

[2:07:54] conference and so it's a very uh

[2:07:56] interesting topic right now

[2:07:59] municipalities spend a lot of money on

[2:08:02] landfills and waste management and as

[2:08:04] our landfills continue to fill up those

[2:08:07] costs will only continue to rise and

[2:08:09] thus

[2:08:10] it'd be good idea to investigate

[2:08:13] all methods available for diversion

[2:08:16] there's the environmental side

[2:08:19] again the methane gas being produced and

[2:08:21] finally there's the community aspect

[2:08:24] that having food waste in the garbage

[2:08:26] attracts animals creates odors and if we

[2:08:29] can get that out of the garbage and

[2:08:31] diverted

[2:08:32] you got less animals you have less waste

[2:08:35] you may even not have to collect the

[2:08:36] garbage as often

[2:08:40] a lot of people say to us haven't we

[2:08:42] solved this already can't we just get

[2:08:44] green bins like a city like kingston has

[2:08:47] well yes in a lot of communities are

[2:08:49] considering solutions such as green bins

[2:08:52] however they tend to work best in large

[2:08:54] cities with economies of scale and

[2:08:57] residents don't always like them for

[2:08:59] example sudbury recently implemented a

[2:09:01] green bin program in the participation

[2:09:03] rate was very very low

[2:09:06] contamination is an issue there's more

[2:09:08] trucks on the road for doing collection

[2:09:10] which leads to safety concerns and

[2:09:13] ultimately it's not something that

[2:09:14] everybody buys into

[2:09:16] it can work but it's expensive and not

[2:09:19] everybody likes it

[2:09:21] there's backyard composting which is

[2:09:22] great and i like to thank everybody who

[2:09:25] is backyard composting please continue

[2:09:27] to do so

[2:09:29] um it's a great option but again it's

[2:09:31] not for everybody and many of those at

[2:09:33] backyard compost aren't doing it during

[2:09:36] the winter

[2:09:37] and lastly there's a landfill that's not

[2:09:39] a great solution for a number of reasons

[2:09:43] so we've done at foodcycler is we've

[2:09:45] created a countertop appliance about the

[2:09:48] size of a bread machine

[2:09:50] and the way it works is you put your

[2:09:52] food waste into the bucket you put the

[2:09:54] bucket into the machine and a few hours

[2:09:57] later

[2:09:58] your food waste has been reduced in

[2:10:00] weight and volume by 90

[2:10:02] leaving you with a dry sterile and

[2:10:04] odorless soil amendment that many folks

[2:10:07] use for gardening

[2:10:09] landscaping can be composted or

[2:10:12] exploring pelletizing it into home

[2:10:14] heating fuel there's a lot of

[2:10:17] applications for this material but

[2:10:20] overall

[2:10:21] it's a very simple clean and easy

[2:10:24] process and we're learning in all our

[2:10:26] pilot programs with municipalities in

[2:10:28] canada that residents like it because

[2:10:31] it's super easy

[2:10:34] in terms of the environmental impact

[2:10:37] we're able to reduce our greenhouse gas

[2:10:39] emissions from food waste by upwards of

[2:10:41] 95

[2:10:43] versus sending it to landfill which is

[2:10:45] quite significant

[2:10:47] we're able to offer considerable cost

[2:10:50] savings versus sending

[2:10:52] our food waste to a municipal landfill

[2:10:55] or to private sector disposal

[2:10:58] and lastly we're helping municipalities

[2:11:00] comply with environmental regulations

[2:11:03] that

[2:11:04] are coming in the next few years

[2:11:07] the mystery of environment conservation

[2:11:09] and parks has listed a food waste policy

[2:11:13] statement that is

[2:11:15] asking more municipalities to have

[2:11:17] diversion systems for food waste in

[2:11:20] place over the next few years

[2:11:23] and we hear from residents that they're

[2:11:25] interested in being part of the solution

[2:11:28] they want their local government to come

[2:11:30] to them with solutions to help address

[2:11:33] this challenge

[2:11:36] a quick touch on a pilot project this is

[2:11:38] one of our older ones in the city of

[2:11:40] nelson in bc

[2:11:42] with 250 households we're able to divert

[2:11:45] 25 tons of food waste over a three-month

[2:11:48] period

[2:11:49] diversion continues to this day

[2:11:53] residents really liked it

[2:11:55] 4.5 at a 5-star rating with less than 1

[2:11:59] saying they would not recommend it to

[2:12:00] others

[2:12:01] lots of learnings from this pilot

[2:12:03] program as well that we've taken and

[2:12:05] adopted into our programs and i think

[2:12:07] the number of municipalities buying into

[2:12:10] this is evidence of that success

[2:12:14] recently from the federal government we

[2:12:16] were awarded a grant through the impact

[2:12:19] canada food waste reduction challenge

[2:12:21] it's a multi-stage project with these

[2:12:24] grants we're able to help offset the

[2:12:26] cost of pilot programs to municipalities

[2:12:29] that want to try out this technology

[2:12:32] and if we're successful in future stages

[2:12:34] of the challenge there will be funding

[2:12:36] to help scale up these projects so

[2:12:39] currently we're in stage one and there's

[2:12:41] two more stages to this program

[2:12:45] within our pilot program we have a

[2:12:47] 12-week program where residents purchase

[2:12:50] a food cycler from the municipality at a

[2:12:52] subsidized rate use the food cycler for

[2:12:55] 12 weeks and then report their usage and

[2:12:57] fill out a survey at the end it's a very

[2:13:00] quick

[2:13:01] process that allows the municipality to

[2:13:04] get data

[2:13:05] very quickly and with minimal staff time

[2:13:08] required

[2:13:09] for municipalities that started the

[2:13:12] program in august we're now reporting

[2:13:14] final data back to them and doing the

[2:13:16] final reports so it's a very

[2:13:18] quick process to get some good data

[2:13:21] about food waste generation in the

[2:13:23] community

[2:13:25] in terms of pilot size typically we

[2:13:28] recommend starting about 100 households

[2:13:31] and that comes with a cost municipality

[2:13:33] of about 10 thousand dollars

[2:13:36] and the way the pricing breaks down is

[2:13:38] in the chart on the right so the device

[2:13:40] has a 500

[2:13:42] retail price our company plus the

[2:13:45] federal grant cuts that in half

[2:13:47] we then look for the municipality to

[2:13:49] subsidize a hundred dollars which leaves

[2:13:51] the resident to cover 150 dollars to

[2:13:54] participate in the pilot program

[2:13:57] that seems to be the sweet spot between

[2:13:59] keeping it accessible to as many people

[2:14:01] as possible but not placing an undue

[2:14:03] burden on taxpayers to subsidize this

[2:14:07] we found it's worked very well with all

[2:14:09] of the other municipalities we work with

[2:14:12] now

[2:14:13] so thank you very much for your time and

[2:14:15] considering this idea our request would

[2:14:18] be that council refer this to staff for

[2:14:20] further consideration and i welcome any

[2:14:23] questions from you thank you

[2:14:27] thank you very much alex

[2:14:29] council do we have questions with regard

[2:14:30] to the presentation

[2:14:35] i'll go to the deputy

[2:14:37] thank you through you um

[2:14:41] you i know you presented it tonight as a

[2:14:44] municipal incentive um are these uh

[2:14:47] available to anyone if they wanted one

[2:14:49] outside of this program if just a

[2:14:51] resident wanted to buy one at full price

[2:14:55] they are they can be purchased through

[2:14:57] our partner in the direct-to-consumer

[2:14:58] market which is vitamix just through

[2:15:01] vitamix.com however by working with

[2:15:04] municipalities we're able to achieve

[2:15:06] significant economies of scale and bring

[2:15:08] the costs down to residents

[2:15:11] okay thank you

[2:15:13] thank you

[2:15:14] anyone else have comment or question

[2:15:16] counselor gordon go ahead

[2:15:21] um that

[2:15:23] hundred dollar cost

[2:15:25] uh to the homeowner is based on it was

[2:15:28] it 2500

[2:15:30] units or no how many families

[2:15:35] so that was based on a hundred

[2:15:37] households participating and the

[2:15:40] municipality subsidizing a hundred

[2:15:42] dollars per household

[2:15:44] so if if only uh if we get into serious

[2:15:47] numbers where

[2:15:49] we've got roughly seven thousand

[2:15:51] five hundred households i think

[2:15:53] if we get into four and five thousand

[2:15:56] uh numbers like uh

[2:15:58] does the cost go down even more

[2:16:02] so there's certainly around 100 bucks

[2:16:07] i'd say there's certainly further

[2:16:08] economies of scale that could be

[2:16:11] achieved what we found with the pilot

[2:16:13] programs we keep the size very low to

[2:16:16] test the concept directly in the

[2:16:19] community and if there is success we'd

[2:16:21] work with you to find grants that could

[2:16:23] fund the expansion there's a lot of

[2:16:26] money out there right now particularly

[2:16:28] from the federal government through the

[2:16:30] green municipal fund that supports this

[2:16:32] and as several of our communities are

[2:16:34] wrapping up pilots with positive results

[2:16:37] that's the angle we're taking to fund

[2:16:39] the expansion so that hopefully the cost

[2:16:42] to a resident to participate

[2:16:44] would eventually be zero and no out of

[2:16:47] pocket cost just like many would expect

[2:16:49] with a green vent type program

[2:16:52] okay

[2:16:54] thank you councillor parks go ahead

[2:16:58] who are you mr mayor um to the presenter

[2:17:01] just looking

[2:17:03] when you run the program how long does

[2:17:04] the program normally run for like the

[2:17:07] pilot program is i'm sorry if i missed

[2:17:08] that

[2:17:10] we recommend a 12-week pilot program

[2:17:14] and that's what we've done uh in the

[2:17:16] past though we're certainly open to

[2:17:19] exploring a longer or shorter program

[2:17:22] based on what staff would recommend for

[2:17:24] your community

[2:17:25] thank you

[2:17:26] can i follow up go ahead um to the

[2:17:29] director

[2:17:30] um i believe we're in the process of

[2:17:34] looking at all the options at this point

[2:17:36] and i just sort of wondered what that

[2:17:37] timeline was for looking at alternatives

[2:17:40] to

[2:17:42] the garbage and recycling that's coming

[2:17:43] up

[2:17:44] mrs mcfarlane are you able to comment

[2:17:47] there we are

[2:17:49] um through you mr mayor um

[2:17:52] we are as

[2:17:53] mr heyman

[2:17:55] spoke we have been in contact

[2:17:57] over the last year with um with this

[2:18:00] company

[2:18:02] we do have staff that are working to

[2:18:04] bring back

[2:18:06] the results of the actual surveys that

[2:18:08] were done and some different options for

[2:18:11] us

[2:18:12] and when we were meeting today we

[2:18:15] we have to look at those contracts and

[2:18:16] probably in the summer we'll be looking

[2:18:19] at um

[2:18:21] redoing the the waste collection

[2:18:23] contracts and at that time or doing the

[2:18:25] tenders and at that time we um

[2:18:28] we will hope to have been able to do

[2:18:30] some more public consultation and come

[2:18:31] back with some different options

[2:18:34] okay

[2:18:36] thank you

[2:18:37] any other comments or questions

[2:18:42] i'm seeing no further questions

[2:18:44] mr hammond has

[2:18:46] posited a a recommendation if you will

[2:18:49] that uh this be

[2:18:50] we authorize staff to continue working

[2:18:53] with the organization

[2:18:55] uh to explore the the this pilot or or

[2:18:58] the options around this

[2:19:00] council would you like to make a motion

[2:19:02] i'll go to council parks

[2:19:05] moved

[2:19:06] so move does the clerk have clarity

[2:19:10] yes yes worship thank you and i believe

[2:19:13] i saw counselor buddha chan for

[2:19:15] seconding

[2:19:16] thank you movers you have to comment

[2:19:20] second or comment

[2:19:22] no anyone else have comment on this

[2:19:26] saying no further comment i'll call the

[2:19:28] question all those in favor please raise

[2:19:30] a hand

[2:19:32] any opposed

[2:19:34] motion is carried thank you

[2:19:37] and thank you mr hammond

[2:19:39] thank you very much mayor and council

[2:19:42] which brings us to the end of

[2:19:43] delegation's presentations

[2:19:46] we move to

[2:19:47] item 10 adoption of minutes

[2:19:50] confirmation of the minutes of the 57th

[2:19:52] session of council from november the 8th

[2:19:54] and are there any noted errors or

[2:19:56] remissions in these minutes

[2:20:00] i'm seeing none can i get a motion to

[2:20:01] approve

[2:20:04] counselor gordon seconded by the deputy

[2:20:07] any comments

[2:20:09] i'll call the question all those in

[2:20:10] favor please raise a hand

[2:20:12] any opposed

[2:20:14] motion is carried

[2:20:17] cancer attendant were you opposed to

[2:20:19] that

[2:20:20] sorry i'm just not trying to highlight

[2:20:22] i'm just

[2:20:23] i think there might be a delay in the in

[2:20:26] the internet

[2:20:29] there there is a delay in your worship

[2:20:31] but i was in favor

[2:20:32] thank you

[2:20:34] and moving forward to the office of the

[2:20:37] chief administrator

[2:20:39] and mr silver is here we have a report

[2:20:43] before us as our 1902

[2:20:45] the acceptance of the gifted property

[2:20:47] and purchase mr silver do you have uh

[2:20:50] anything to highlight or or add to this

[2:20:52] report

[2:20:53] i don't have anything to add to worship

[2:20:56] and thank you council do we have any

[2:20:58] questions with regards to this

[2:21:02] i'm seeing no questions

[2:21:04] we have a recommendation in the report

[2:21:07] to accept the gift to agree to purchase

[2:21:10] and

[2:21:11] the staff you directed to begin the

[2:21:13] public consultation

[2:21:15] and

[2:21:16] that's the recommendation do we have

[2:21:17] anyone wishing to make a motion

[2:21:19] counselor town and go ahead

[2:21:23] and you worship i moved to receive the

[2:21:25] report and adopt recommendations one

[2:21:27] through three

[2:21:28] two and three thank you do i have a

[2:21:30] second or for that

[2:21:32] councilor gordon thank you

[2:21:34] any comment from the mover

[2:21:38] uh only to uh to thank the cio for the

[2:21:40] report and that uh that islanders are uh

[2:21:43] are excited to uh to be engaged on uh

[2:21:47] and consulted on on what will uh will

[2:21:49] happen with both of those properties

[2:21:52] thank you secondary do you have comment

[2:21:56] anyone else have comment

[2:21:59] saying no further comments i will add

[2:22:02] our

[2:22:03] expression of thanks to uh

[2:22:06] the gowans for the donation of the

[2:22:07] property it is greatly appreciated they

[2:22:10] are great community members

[2:22:12] with that i will call the question

[2:22:14] all those in favor please raise a hand

[2:22:18] any opposed motion is carried

[2:22:21] we move to item 13

[2:22:24] business services treasury department

[2:22:26] 13.1 is the 2022 water sewer user rates

[2:22:31] we have a report before us and we have

[2:22:33] mr dickey before us mr dickey do you

[2:22:36] have anything you'd like to highlight in

[2:22:38] this report or add to it

[2:22:41] good evening nothing to add to it mr

[2:22:43] mayor through you um

[2:22:46] we do have the deputy treasurer and

[2:22:47] senior financial analyst available who

[2:22:49] did most of the analysis

[2:22:51] on the rates so there is a choice

[2:22:54] or a couple of options for counseling

[2:22:56] the motion but uh we'll be willing to

[2:22:58] receive any questions

[2:23:00] thank you

[2:23:01] council do we have questions

[2:23:04] for either the treasurer or the uh the

[2:23:07] deputy or the senior analyst

[2:23:11] i'm seeing no questions

[2:23:15] again as the treasurer highlighted we do

[2:23:17] have some options within the

[2:23:18] recommendations

[2:23:21] there's no questions i will look to

[2:23:22] council to make a motion to identify an

[2:23:25] option counselor budaric go ahead

[2:23:30] these are very welcoming uh options um

[2:23:33] and since they obviously make uh

[2:23:35] financial sin uh sense or they wouldn't

[2:23:38] be put before us i would love to go with

[2:23:40] option b

[2:23:41] um as uh

[2:23:44] that is one of the two hot topic buttons

[2:23:46] i hear the most from my constituents um

[2:23:49] that uh

[2:23:51] our water rates are increase

[2:23:54] crazy in comparison to uh other

[2:23:56] municipalities and uh

[2:23:59] like i said it wouldn't be an option if

[2:24:00] it wasn't in front of us and i'd like to

[2:24:02] take an opportunity to run with it thank

[2:24:04] you

[2:24:05] so your motion is to receive the report

[2:24:07] and adopt recommendation b no change in

[2:24:10] rates

[2:24:11] yes sir

[2:24:12] thank you do i have a second or for that

[2:24:14] councilor parks thank you

[2:24:17] mover any further comment

[2:24:21] uh like the deputy said earlier i was

[2:24:23] long-winded enough in the first time

[2:24:24] around thank you

[2:24:26] thank you councillor parks you're the

[2:24:27] secondary would you like to make comment

[2:24:29] uh i just wanted to reiterate what uh

[2:24:31] council broderick has said uh our rates

[2:24:33] are are

[2:24:35] extremely expensive so it's nice to see

[2:24:37] that we have this option

[2:24:39] thank you

[2:24:40] anyone else wish to make comment

[2:24:45] seeing no further comments oh sorry

[2:24:47] deputy go ahead thank you

[2:24:50] um the one thing that i want to point

[2:24:51] out and which causes me concern is that

[2:24:54] with with this uh

[2:24:56] um

[2:24:58] the income has to come some from

[2:25:00] somewhere so in the report it says that

[2:25:02] there'll be a reduction in capital

[2:25:04] um

[2:25:05] which means the maintenance and upkeep

[2:25:07] and

[2:25:08] advancements in our systems

[2:25:11] will lag behind

[2:25:12] if

[2:25:13] this option is uh

[2:25:15] goes through

[2:25:18] thank you

[2:25:20] and

[2:25:21] any other comments

[2:25:24] and

[2:25:24] i'm seeing no comments no further

[2:25:26] comments

[2:25:28] right

[2:25:29] back to the mover

[2:25:30] no

[2:25:32] uh yeah i'd just like to reiterate the

[2:25:34] fact that um i'm only bringing this

[2:25:37] forward because it was an option for us

[2:25:39] and and and i agree with the deputy on

[2:25:40] what he's saying um however uh

[2:25:44] it wouldn't be brought to us if it

[2:25:46] wasn't

[2:25:47] possible is all i'm trying to say that's

[2:25:49] why it was going with option b but that

[2:25:51] is it okay thank you

[2:25:54] with that i will call the question

[2:25:56] all those in favor please raise a hand

[2:26:02] and counselor gordon i can't see you

[2:26:04] right now okay hand is up okay thank you

[2:26:07] all right any opposed

[2:26:11] thank you motion is carried

[2:26:14] move forward to item 13.2

[2:26:18] 2022 escalation of frontage fees

[2:26:21] and we again we have the treasury with

[2:26:23] us

[2:26:24] okay do you have anything to add or

[2:26:25] highlight in this report

[2:26:28] mr mayor nothing at this time

[2:26:30] it's time council do we have any

[2:26:32] questions

[2:26:36] seeing no questions

[2:26:38] i'll look for a motion

[2:26:44] deputy go ahead

[2:26:45] move to receive and adopt the

[2:26:46] recommendation

[2:26:48] receiving adopt do i have a second or

[2:26:50] for that

[2:26:54] counselor gordon seconds thank you

[2:26:56] deputy any comment

[2:26:59] second or any

[2:27:00] comment anyone else have comment on this

[2:27:04] motion

[2:27:06] seeing none i'll call the question all

[2:27:08] those in favor please raise a hand

[2:27:12] any opposed motion is carried we move to

[2:27:17] item 13.3 operating status is at

[2:27:20] september 30th

[2:27:22] year-end projections and capital works

[2:27:24] in progress in progress

[2:27:26] again mr

[2:27:28] mr dickey is here do you have anything

[2:27:31] to highlight within this report sir

[2:27:34] um through you mr merritt um

[2:27:36] just um

[2:27:38] we are projecting a bit of a surplus

[2:27:39] again this year so just really mainly

[2:27:41] the highlights in the report but

[2:27:43] um i think there have been

[2:27:46] with a pandemic and

[2:27:48] delay in getting hiring going over the

[2:27:50] last couple years we have been slow at

[2:27:51] filling some of the positions and

[2:27:52] replacing positions so

[2:27:54] that has created the bulk of the

[2:27:57] kind of the projected surplus for this

[2:27:58] year but

[2:27:59] um just for council's awareness we have

[2:28:02] been

[2:28:03] closing that gap and i think by the end

[2:28:04] of this year the

[2:28:05] virtually all those positions

[2:28:08] are will be filled so we'll be

[2:28:10] that um that gap should be there next

[2:28:13] year we are catching up with the hiring

[2:28:15] that needs to be done over the last

[2:28:16] couple years so that will

[2:28:17] um that will help without going forward

[2:28:21] thank you

[2:28:23] council do we have any questions with

[2:28:24] regards to this deputy go ahead

[2:28:28] just want to confirm um

[2:28:30] i believe if i read it correctly there's

[2:28:32] going to be some of the losses that are

[2:28:35] going to be reviewed for

[2:28:37] whether it can be funded through the

[2:28:38] reopening ontario funding

[2:28:41] am i correct that at the end of the year

[2:28:43] things like the fees

[2:28:46] the lost fees

[2:28:47] whether it's ferry transit recreation

[2:28:50] they'll all be reviewed for

[2:28:53] potential funding from the other levels

[2:28:54] of government

[2:28:58] through you mr mayor

[2:29:00] um yeah yeah so we we do um

[2:29:03] we do still have that we've been we've

[2:29:05] received funding that we're holding on

[2:29:06] to so we will

[2:29:09] be required to report back at the end of

[2:29:11] the year

[2:29:12] with um kind of results the extra costs

[2:29:14] the lost revenue according to the pen

[2:29:17] because of the pandemic

[2:29:18] the one thing we're not sure because we

[2:29:20] have surpluses in other areas

[2:29:22] the way the for funding has appeared to

[2:29:24] work so far is if you've offset some of

[2:29:26] your extra costs

[2:29:29] through other savings

[2:29:30] we're not sure how much of that funding

[2:29:32] will be eligible to receive

[2:29:35] last year we did we were able to take

[2:29:37] some of the money into offset ferry fees

[2:29:39] in 2020

[2:29:41] so we will look at that again

[2:29:43] so so that money is available to us if

[2:29:45] we need it we're just at this point

[2:29:46] until we do the year-end filing we're

[2:29:48] not sure exactly how much of it will be

[2:29:50] eligible for but it is there available

[2:29:52] for us if we need it

[2:29:54] thank you

[2:29:57] any other questions with regard to this

[2:29:59] report

[2:30:04] i'm seeing no further questions

[2:30:07] and do i have a motion

[2:30:12] anyone oh deputy go ahead

[2:30:15] move to receive and adopt the

[2:30:16] recommendation question to receive and

[2:30:18] adopt do i have a seconder

[2:30:21] and cancer town in

[2:30:23] yes okay

[2:30:25] so very quickly right any any comments

[2:30:28] mover seconder

[2:30:30] no anyone else have comment

[2:30:34] i'm seeing no comments

[2:30:36] i'll call the question

[2:30:37] all those in favor please raise a hand

[2:30:40] any opposed

[2:30:42] promotion is carried

[2:30:46] forward to

[2:30:49] 13.4

[2:30:51] 2022 escalation of imposed growth fees

[2:30:56] and you're really providing us with a

[2:30:58] lot of reports tonight mr dickey

[2:31:00] do you have anything to add or highlight

[2:31:02] all right

[2:31:03] it's okay

[2:31:05] um through you nothing in addition to

[2:31:08] what's in the report

[2:31:09] just if anyone has questions

[2:31:11] thank you council do you have questions

[2:31:15] seeing none

[2:31:17] and

[2:31:19] do i have a motion

[2:31:24] counselor town him so moved

[2:31:27] moving the recommendation do i have a

[2:31:29] seconder

[2:31:32] deputy thank you any comments from the

[2:31:34] mover and seconder

[2:31:36] any comments from anyone else

[2:31:40] i'm seeing none

[2:31:41] i will call the question all those in

[2:31:43] favor please raise a hand

[2:31:47] any opposed

[2:31:48] motion is carried

[2:31:50] and we move to the america scholarship

[2:31:52] fund 2021.

[2:31:55] annual report

[2:31:57] we have a recommendation

[2:31:59] do i have any

[2:32:02] mr dickey do you have anything to add to

[2:32:03] it at this time

[2:32:05] now through you mr mayor nothing

[2:32:07] unfortunately the there have been a lot

[2:32:09] of donations this year and of course our

[2:32:10] investment income rate is

[2:32:12] as a historic low so we don't have as

[2:32:14] much to distribute unfortunately it is a

[2:32:16] nice program it's it's great for

[2:32:18] for students to be able to get a little

[2:32:20] bit of extra money so it's unfortunately

[2:32:21] not a lot this year but

[2:32:24] we are proposing to distribute as as per

[2:32:26] the intent of the trust

[2:32:28] absolutely thank you

[2:32:30] any questions

[2:32:34] seeing no questions i'll look for a

[2:32:36] motion

[2:32:39] counselor town and so moved to the

[2:32:40] recommendation

[2:32:42] and counselor brew direct seconds

[2:32:44] thank you mover and seconder have

[2:32:46] comment

[2:32:49] and counselor tannen

[2:32:52] did you have go ahead just my

[2:32:54] congratulations to all those recipients

[2:32:57] excellent thank you anyone else have

[2:32:59] comment

[2:33:01] i'll call the question all those in

[2:33:03] favor please raise a hand

[2:33:05] any opposed

[2:33:06] motion is carried

[2:33:08] we move to the community and customer

[2:33:11] services department item 14.1 the bath

[2:33:13] gardening club request to waive fees

[2:33:16] i see that ms miss mcfarland is coming

[2:33:19] on screen we have a report before us

[2:33:22] do you have anything to highlight or to

[2:33:23] add in this report

[2:33:25] uh nothing further your worship thank

[2:33:27] you

[2:33:28] council do you have any questions

[2:33:33] i'm seeing no questions we do have a

[2:33:35] recommendation including two options or

[2:33:37] not two options but two uh points

[2:33:40] council what would you like to do with

[2:33:42] the recommendation

[2:33:46] deputy

[2:33:48] i have to receive and adopt the

[2:33:49] recommendation motion to receive and

[2:33:51] adopt do i have a seconder

[2:33:53] council parks thank you

[2:33:56] any comments from the mover or seconder

[2:33:59] no

[2:34:01] anyone else

[2:34:04] seeing none i'll call the question all

[2:34:06] those in favor please raise a hand

[2:34:08] any opposed

[2:34:10] motion is carried

[2:34:15] item 14.2 the interesting years seniors

[2:34:18] club request to adjust fees

[2:34:21] more covid challenges as mcfarland

[2:34:24] okay do you have anything to add or to

[2:34:26] highlight in this report

[2:34:28] nothing further your worship thank you

[2:34:31] does anyone have a question about this

[2:34:32] report

[2:34:35] i'm seeing no questions again we have a

[2:34:38] recommendation before us

[2:34:42] council what would you like to do with

[2:34:43] it

[2:34:45] and did i see your hand kessler goodrich

[2:34:47] thank you you're so moved

[2:34:50] do i have a seconder

[2:34:53] counselor gordon thank you

[2:34:55] mover comment second or comment nothing

[2:34:58] nothing anyone else have comment

[2:35:03] seeing none

[2:35:04] and i'll call the question all those in

[2:35:07] favor please raise a hand

[2:35:10] any opposed motion is carried

[2:35:13] we move to item 14.3 a report regarding

[2:35:17] the bath park's garage

[2:35:20] ms mcfarland do you have anything to uh

[2:35:22] comment on this report

[2:35:24] uh the only thing your worship that i'd

[2:35:27] like to uh point out is that

[2:35:29] unfortunately the uh

[2:35:31] through some staff turnover this uh

[2:35:33] issue wasn't um addressed and

[2:35:36] when our new parks and manager or parks

[2:35:39] and facilities manager started

[2:35:42] she

[2:35:43] worked to address it and meet with the

[2:35:46] resident and

[2:35:48] listen to the concerns and has tried to

[2:35:50] change some operating

[2:35:53] uh practices to see if we could

[2:35:55] alleviate the um

[2:35:57] some of the the concerns that were

[2:35:58] expressed

[2:36:00] so we i i'm just apologizing for it

[2:36:02] being so long coming back to council

[2:36:05] thank you very much

[2:36:07] council do i have any questions

[2:36:11] counselor parks go ahead

[2:36:13] through you mr mayor to the uh director

[2:36:15] um has the resident provided any

[2:36:18] feedback since you've made some of those

[2:36:19] amendments or changes to some of the

[2:36:23] processes or the operation just wondered

[2:36:25] if there'd been any feedback

[2:36:27] um through you mr mayor not to my

[2:36:29] knowledge

[2:36:30] um

[2:36:32] they they have not provided feedback

[2:36:37] anyone else have a question

[2:36:41] i don't think so

[2:36:42] can i get a motion please

[2:36:46] council parks go ahead

[2:36:50] sorry um just to

[2:36:53] where are you going to find it

[2:36:56] to uh receive it and remain status quo

[2:36:59] thank you

[2:37:00] all of us do i have a secondary

[2:37:03] councilor buderic thank you any comments

[2:37:05] from the mover or seconder

[2:37:08] no

[2:37:09] anyone else

[2:37:11] i'll call the question all those in

[2:37:12] favor please raise a hand

[2:37:15] any opposed motion not available

[2:37:32] to the clerk

[2:37:34] you missed the uh corporate services

[2:37:36] your worship oh

[2:37:38] my apologies i skipped over right

[2:37:41] happens to be the clerk's own items

[2:37:44] at item 15.1 before we get to ms merritt

[2:37:47] uh the pound services agreement renewal

[2:37:50] okay we have the report before us madam

[2:37:53] clerk do you have anything to highlight

[2:37:54] or to add to this report

[2:37:56] uh it's just it we did a pilot project

[2:37:59] on it last year you worship they've had

[2:38:01] some changes in greater napanee but we

[2:38:04] have reached out and and we're uh giving

[2:38:06] it another

[2:38:07] go for this year uh

[2:38:09] we haven't heard any negative from it so

[2:38:12] i think it's a win-win uh partnership

[2:38:14] with greater napanee on this

[2:38:16] thank you

[2:38:18] council do we have uh comments or

[2:38:19] questions

[2:38:22] i'm seeing none can i get a motion

[2:38:24] please

[2:38:28] deputy go ahead and receive and adopt

[2:38:30] the recommendation so i moved do i have

[2:38:32] a seconder

[2:38:33] counselor bootrick thank you

[2:38:35] any comments from the mover and seconder

[2:38:38] no anyone else

[2:38:41] saying none i'll call the question all

[2:38:43] those in favor please raise a hand

[2:38:46] any opposed

[2:38:48] motion is carried

[2:38:49] now we can come to economic growth and

[2:38:52] community development services

[2:38:54] as merit we have the crca lidar project

[2:38:58] partnership report before us

[2:39:00] do you have anything to add to it

[2:39:02] uh through you your worship actually i'd

[2:39:04] like to clarify i typically write um you

[2:39:07] know like not just the acronym but what

[2:39:09] it actually means

[2:39:10] so i've been asked that question today

[2:39:12] so lidar basically stands for light

[2:39:14] detection and ranging

[2:39:16] um processor that's a technology that

[2:39:18] gives us really high resolution models

[2:39:21] of ground elevation so we do have some

[2:39:24] lidar information for the township but

[2:39:27] it some of it is outdated

[2:39:29] the technology is a little bit better

[2:39:30] now

[2:39:31] and also it's going to help us fill some

[2:39:33] gaps in our data

[2:39:36] so now that i've said that actually i

[2:39:38] need to make a small uh update um

[2:39:43] i need to know that um in the attached

[2:39:45] agreement in the attached bylaw so it's

[2:39:48] page 640 of your of your agenda

[2:39:52] in item 3.2 it gives a

[2:39:56] the installment has to be paid by

[2:39:58] december 1st 2021

[2:40:01] staff actually requested crca to amend

[2:40:04] their agreement to say march 31st 2022

[2:40:08] to give us an opportunity to budget for

[2:40:11] it in 2022 if council supports

[2:40:15] this partnership with crca so that's a

[2:40:17] very small change i have the updated

[2:40:19] bylaw the updated agreement uh for the

[2:40:22] clerk

[2:40:23] i will send over but if if you're

[2:40:26] agreeing to the change we'll just

[2:40:29] send the revised bylaw

[2:40:31] okay thank you council do we have any

[2:40:33] questions from his merit

[2:40:38] doesn't look like it we all understood

[2:40:40] lidar

[2:40:42] right so we have a recommendation to uh

[2:40:45] you know enter into an agreement with

[2:40:47] the crca

[2:40:48] with the modification to the

[2:40:50] agreement as presented changing the date

[2:40:54] do i have a mover for that or any or

[2:40:56] however you'd like to make a motion

[2:40:58] deputy go ahead

[2:41:01] move to receive and adopt the

[2:41:02] recommendation with the bylaw as amended

[2:41:05] thank you councillor budrick your second

[2:41:09] any comment from the mover and seconder

[2:41:12] no

[2:41:13] anyone else

[2:41:16] seeing none i will call the question all

[2:41:19] those in favor please raise a hand

[2:41:22] and the opposed

[2:41:24] motion is carried

[2:41:26] item 16.2 the development approval

[2:41:29] process project status

[2:41:31] we have a report

[2:41:33] before us i do note that the

[2:41:34] recommendation has an ore

[2:41:36] uh but i will go to the director

[2:41:38] anything to highlight

[2:41:41] uh no there's nothing to highlight uh

[2:41:44] your worship

[2:41:45] and thank you

[2:41:47] council

[2:41:49] and do we have any comments or questions

[2:41:51] with regards to this report

[2:41:56] seeing none right does anyone want to

[2:41:59] make the motion

[2:42:04] deputy go ahead

[2:42:07] move to receive and adopt the

[2:42:08] recommendation item two

[2:42:11] item two

[2:42:12] thank you

[2:42:13] do i have a seconder for that

[2:42:20] oh counselor gordon thank you

[2:42:23] all right

[2:42:24] move or comment just with the uh

[2:42:27] with with the partnering with the county

[2:42:29] moving forward i think it'll be really

[2:42:31] good for us to finish that process then

[2:42:33] we'll be able to move forward if we do

[2:42:34] need additional staffing or whatever it

[2:42:36] is required or whatever scope of uh

[2:42:39] work for

[2:42:40] additional staff or current staff that

[2:42:42] can all be determined once we have a

[2:42:44] good process in place

[2:42:46] you seconder comment

[2:42:48] no anyone else have comment

[2:42:53] i'm seeing none i'll call the question

[2:42:55] all those in favor please raise a hand

[2:42:58] and he opposed motion is carried

[2:43:01] we go to 16.3 request for road closing

[2:43:06] and uh i'm not gonna get into the

[2:43:08] details there we have the report before

[2:43:10] us

[2:43:12] and we have ms merritt

[2:43:14] do you have a comment to make

[2:43:17] uh no no further comment to make your

[2:43:19] worship

[2:43:22] council do we have questions

[2:43:26] counselor budaric go ahead

[2:43:32] counselor bootrick did you have a

[2:43:33] question

[2:43:34] yeah i was just trying to meet my uh my

[2:43:36] apologies your worship um

[2:43:39] just a quick question on the option

[2:43:41] number three i know it's probably

[2:43:42] further down in the uh report and uh and

[2:43:46] i get that i read down to where it was

[2:43:48] but i was just curious to the uh

[2:43:51] reasoning from staff as why option three

[2:43:54] would be included in the recommendations

[2:43:57] um that the the one resident would not

[2:43:59] be allowed to purchase the property

[2:44:02] um just a little more rational than

[2:44:04] what's actually in writing that's all

[2:44:07] thank you ms merritt

[2:44:09] so through your worship actually uh

[2:44:11] because this is a technical planning

[2:44:13] question very good question by the way

[2:44:16] i'm gonna defer to i'm going to let our

[2:44:18] planning staff respond

[2:44:21] and i see him as both miss furnace and

[2:44:23] mr casemore in the audience who wants to

[2:44:25] take it thank you maddie

[2:44:28] sorry

[2:44:30] kessler parks

[2:44:31] oh sorry sorry

[2:44:34] okay i'll go to miss furnace

[2:44:37] yes uh through you mr mayor um

[2:44:40] so yeah essentially our road closing

[2:44:42] policy um currently right now which is

[2:44:45] outdated and doesn't comply with like

[2:44:47] current municipal act requirements um it

[2:44:50] does require the township to

[2:44:53] you know advise the any adjacent

[2:44:55] property owners to a road allowance

[2:44:56] that's going to be closed in order to

[2:44:58] make them aware so if they are

[2:45:00] interested then they they could make

[2:45:02] potentially their own applications so in

[2:45:04] this case we have received an

[2:45:05] application from the property owner on

[2:45:08] bath road um the rationale for staff not

[2:45:12] recommending that that portion um be

[2:45:15] sold to that property owner is because

[2:45:17] the entire

[2:45:18] um the entire

[2:45:20] area there is designated industrial in

[2:45:23] the official plan and it's also zoned

[2:45:25] general industrial um

[2:45:27] including the residential property um so

[2:45:30] essentially when we're reviewing the

[2:45:32] selling of township property um we're we

[2:45:35] are recommending it be given to the

[2:45:36] other property owner the entire piece

[2:45:39] and that um the other land holding isn't

[2:45:41] is also an industrial property and it's

[2:45:43] proposing industrial uses

[2:45:45] um

[2:45:46] the other property is a residential

[2:45:48] property so it's it's a legal

[2:45:50] non-conforming use um our official plan

[2:45:53] speaks to any land use that doesn't

[2:45:55] conform to land use designations in in

[2:45:58] the official plan um in general should

[2:46:01] cease to exist over over time in the in

[2:46:04] the long term um however in special

[2:46:06] circumstances we can consider extension

[2:46:10] extending or enlarging these types of

[2:46:12] properties um specifically said to avoid

[2:46:15] unnecessary hardship um so where these

[2:46:18] have kind of typically been considered

[2:46:20] is for example if

[2:46:22] if a well is straddling lot lines

[2:46:25] or where we mostly see these is if

[2:46:27] someone has a legal non-conforming

[2:46:28] residential structure and they want to

[2:46:31] expand um you know have an accessory

[2:46:34] structure because they want to detach

[2:46:35] garage on it then you know we could

[2:46:37] entertain expanding the use that way but

[2:46:39] but typically not entertaining um

[2:46:42] expanding a residential property in an

[2:46:44] industrial area due to the conflicting

[2:46:47] land uses um so that's um the other

[2:46:50] thing to note as well is it wouldn't be

[2:46:52] permitted as of right so if council did

[2:46:55] choose to to want to

[2:46:57] proceed with offering on that portion of

[2:46:59] the road allowance um to this property

[2:47:01] owner it would have to be contingent

[2:47:02] upon getting committee of adjustment

[2:47:04] approval as a planning act application

[2:47:06] is required to enlarge

[2:47:08] a non-conforming use

[2:47:12] to provide your answer cancer booner

[2:47:15] it was fantastic answer thank you very

[2:47:17] much thank you

[2:47:19] any other questions with regard to this

[2:47:21] report

[2:47:24] i'm seeing no further questions do i

[2:47:26] have a mover

[2:47:29] we have a recommendation with uh

[2:47:31] four parts

[2:47:37] anyone

[2:47:41] counselor bootrick go ahead

[2:47:44] um i would uh with that great

[2:47:46] explanation except the recommendations

[2:47:49] so one through four

[2:47:51] thank you

[2:47:52] and so moved do i have a seconder

[2:47:56] counselor gordon thank you

[2:47:59] any comments from the mover and

[2:48:00] secondary

[2:48:03] anyone else have comment

[2:48:07] seeing none i will call the question all

[2:48:09] those in favor please raise a hand

[2:48:13] and he

[2:48:14] opposed motion is carried

[2:48:18] we move forward we get to

[2:48:21] something under emergency

[2:48:23] notices of motion or direct motion is

[2:48:25] there anyone on council that wishes to

[2:48:27] put forward a notice of motion or

[2:48:29] request a direct motion

[2:48:34] i'm seeing no such new hands

[2:48:38] so we come to the consent agenda for the

[2:48:40] purpose of convenience and for

[2:48:41] expediting meetings matters of business

[2:48:43] that are repetitive or routine in nature

[2:48:45] included in the consent agenda and all

[2:48:47] such matters

[2:48:49] of business contained in the consent

[2:48:51] agenda are voted on collectively a

[2:48:53] particular matter of business may be

[2:48:55] singled out from the consent agenda for

[2:48:56] debate or for separate vote upon the

[2:48:58] request of any member of council

[2:49:01] in the case of a separate vote the

[2:49:02] excluded matter of business is severed

[2:49:04] from the consent agenda each and every

[2:49:06] matter of business contained in the

[2:49:08] consent agenda is recorded separately in

[2:49:10] the minutes of the meeting is there

[2:49:12] anything that any member of council

[2:49:14] wishes to extract from the consent

[2:49:16] agenda

[2:49:19] deputy go ahead

[2:49:22] item 23.3 the province-wide property

[2:49:25] assessment update postponement

[2:49:27] 23.3

[2:49:29] anything else that anyone wishes to

[2:49:31] separate

[2:49:34] deputy eric councillor guard my

[2:49:35] counselor town sorry

[2:49:40] uh

[2:49:41] 22.4 your worship

[2:49:45] okay anything else from anyone

[2:49:50] i'm seeing no further

[2:49:52] extractions and i'll ask for a motion on

[2:49:55] the consent agenda without the

[2:49:56] extractions

[2:50:00] go to the deputy and counselor town and

[2:50:02] seconding

[2:50:03] and anything further any comments

[2:50:06] i'll call the question on the consent

[2:50:08] agenda all those in favor please raise a

[2:50:10] hand

[2:50:13] and the opposed motion is carried

[2:50:15] we move to 22.4

[2:50:19] which is the renewable energy fund grant

[2:50:22] review committee applications

[2:50:24] council 10 and you ask for that to be

[2:50:26] separated

[2:50:28] yes thank you worship i just have um a

[2:50:30] question uh

[2:50:32] to the author in the report

[2:50:36] it says

[2:50:37] applications for the first funding

[2:50:39] period of the renewable energy fund

[2:50:41] grant will be available january 3rd 2022

[2:50:44] and due no later than february 1st 2022

[2:50:49] elsewhere in the report it indicated

[2:50:52] that there

[2:50:54] had only been one application for the

[2:50:57] subcommittee for awards two and three

[2:51:00] uh and that uh it was going to be

[2:51:02] re-advertised so am i to understand

[2:51:05] based on the beginning of the

[2:51:06] application period in january

[2:51:09] that the applications will will be

[2:51:12] received and sort of essentially put

[2:51:16] on hold until uh until that subcommittee

[2:51:20] hopefully gets members that apply uh is

[2:51:22] that the correct understanding

[2:51:24] to the clerk uh through your worship uh

[2:51:27] yes so

[2:51:29] basically we have enough applications in

[2:51:31] for

[2:51:32] the award one uh committee subcommittee

[2:51:36] uh what we'll be doing is just

[2:51:38] re-advertising for award two uh three um

[2:51:44] um for the for the subcommittee uh we

[2:51:48] will be still proceeding with

[2:51:50] advertising again for the community

[2:51:52] grants uh we believe uh by the tie-in um

[2:51:56] from when the applications are done

[2:51:58] we'll be still proceeding through that

[2:52:00] with a closed session report with the

[2:52:02] applications going to council on

[2:52:04] december 13th hopefully we will

[2:52:08] get at least the minimum amount if not

[2:52:10] more for the other subcommittee that

[2:52:12] will go

[2:52:13] uh my understanding would be or the

[2:52:15] proposal would be if we don't we would

[2:52:18] still proceed with the uh the committee

[2:52:21] that has enough and then it would be a

[2:52:23] direction from council on how they want

[2:52:25] to proceed if we don't receive enough uh

[2:52:28] the applications for the grant would be

[2:52:30] coming in uh by the end um

[2:52:33] sorry by february first of the end of

[2:52:35] january and then they would be going to

[2:52:38] the subcommittee they'd be in play by

[2:52:40] then uh to do their review and coming to

[2:52:43] council for recommendations

[2:52:46] okay

[2:52:48] yes your worship i'm prepared to make a

[2:52:50] motion to

[2:52:52] did anyone else have a question with

[2:52:53] regard to that report

[2:52:56] saying none counselor town and go ahead

[2:52:58] with your motion

[2:52:59] i move to receive for information

[2:53:02] motion to receive for information do i

[2:53:04] have a seconder

[2:53:06] counselor broderick thank you

[2:53:08] any comments

[2:53:11] seeing none from anyone i'll call the

[2:53:13] question on 22.4 all those in favor

[2:53:16] please raise a hand

[2:53:18] any opposed motion is carried we move to

[2:53:21] 23.3

[2:53:25] property assessment update postponement

[2:53:28] and the deputy asked for this to be

[2:53:29] separated go ahead sir yes i'm prepared

[2:53:32] to make a motion to

[2:53:34] receive and support

[2:53:36] motion to receive and support and do i

[2:53:38] have a secondary for that

[2:53:42] counselor gordon thank you deputy would

[2:53:44] you like to make comment yeah this is

[2:53:46] just uh

[2:53:47] this is bothersome for me that uh

[2:53:49] it's just extended for an extra two

[2:53:52] years with really no explanation that

[2:53:53] the property assessments aren't going to

[2:53:56] be updated um

[2:53:58] it's going to make it that we're going

[2:53:59] to be working on

[2:54:00] valuations that are 8 years old

[2:54:03] which i realize as far as us setting a

[2:54:05] budget

[2:54:06] we we base we base our budgets on

[2:54:09] whatever we're provided with so that's

[2:54:11] all we can work with and we're that's

[2:54:12] defendable

[2:54:14] but um

[2:54:15] any potential impacts to residents is

[2:54:18] going to be compounded by the extended

[2:54:20] period of time

[2:54:22] i don't want to get back to the point

[2:54:23] where we're basically working with mill

[2:54:24] rates i'd like to stay current and be

[2:54:27] able to defend

[2:54:29] our actions by saying that we are

[2:54:31] dealing with current assessment values

[2:54:34] provincially as provided by the province

[2:54:36] and right now by the end of eight years

[2:54:38] that statement

[2:54:40] isn't really going to be able to be made

[2:54:41] anymore so if there's properties that

[2:54:43] have escalated in price and when it

[2:54:46] finally is evaluated um there's going to

[2:54:48] be some residents that are going to be

[2:54:50] very unhappy

[2:54:51] and i just i'd like to see it taken care

[2:54:53] of before then

[2:54:55] thank you

[2:54:56] so i can turn the other comment

[2:54:59] no anyone else have comment

[2:55:03] seeing no further comment the motion is

[2:55:05] to receive and support

[2:55:07] i will call the question all those in

[2:55:09] favor please raise a hand

[2:55:11] any opposed

[2:55:13] motion is carried

[2:55:14] thank you thank you both for pulling

[2:55:16] those out

[2:55:17] let me move forward to

[2:55:20] new business updates from members

[2:55:22] appointed to county council committees

[2:55:24] and their local boards is there anything

[2:55:26] that any member of council wishes to

[2:55:28] bring forward from one of their

[2:55:31] appointed board committees

[2:55:35] deputy go ahead

[2:55:37] if i may um

[2:55:39] i i attended

[2:55:41] this i actually attended on behalf of

[2:55:42] the county but i represented the county

[2:55:45] from the township so i'm going to bring

[2:55:46] it here as well because it it relates to

[2:55:48] our municipality i did a tour of the

[2:55:51] lafarge plant um

[2:55:53] with uh with some of the lafarge

[2:55:55] representatives from the committee um

[2:55:58] that we also have counselor parks sits

[2:56:00] on the committee as well and uh

[2:56:03] it was really impressive to see the

[2:56:05] amount of energy the money

[2:56:07] that's gone into that uh facility

[2:56:10] and

[2:56:12] for the betterment of our residents but

[2:56:14] also for the betterment of the

[2:56:15] environment some of the things that

[2:56:16] they've brought into place they're

[2:56:18] they're making use of uh material that

[2:56:20] would otherwise be in landfill

[2:56:22] um and making it a a viable fuel option

[2:56:27] and also using um ammonia to be able to

[2:56:30] basically reduce the greenhouse gas

[2:56:32] emissions

[2:56:33] um

[2:56:34] then

[2:56:35] instead of putting out gases you're

[2:56:37] basically putting out moisture and to

[2:56:40] see the technology in place it's pretty

[2:56:42] uh for me with my background in

[2:56:44] engineering i mean

[2:56:46] i love it that's my thing is to to try

[2:56:49] and figure out how this stuff works and

[2:56:50] and be able to look at it

[2:56:52] that way so um it's not completed yet

[2:56:55] it's going to be going on for at least

[2:56:57] one more year because as the remainder

[2:56:59] has been done during shutdown um

[2:57:02] but uh they've put millions and millions

[2:57:04] of dollars into this and uh

[2:57:07] it's it's it's better for everyone when

[2:57:08] it's the environment and it's good for

[2:57:09] our township when it helps our residents

[2:57:13] thank you for bringing that forward

[2:57:14] is there anything else anyone wishes to

[2:57:16] bring forward from their committees or

[2:57:19] local boards

[2:57:22] i'm seeing none

[2:57:24] and

[2:57:25] we move to

[2:57:26] members privilege is there anything that

[2:57:28] we would like to bring forward under

[2:57:29] members privilege

[2:57:33] council

[2:57:35] none

[2:57:36] okay then we move to the confirmatory

[2:57:38] bylaw

[2:57:41] anyone wish to make that motion

[2:57:44] i'll take councillor buderick and the

[2:57:46] deputy

[2:57:47] any comment

[2:57:48] call the question all those in favor

[2:57:51] please raise a hand

[2:57:53] any opposed

[2:57:55] motion is carried

[2:57:57] okay

[2:57:58] upcoming meeting dates on december the

[2:58:00] 6th we are scheduled for committee the

[2:58:02] adjustment and community of the whole

[2:58:04] budget

[2:58:05] december the 9th we will have another

[2:58:06] community of the whole budget

[2:58:08] for a council meeting on december the

[2:58:10] 13th

[2:58:12] are there any other meetings to make

[2:58:13] note of

[2:58:17] i see none

[2:58:19] and we will call and then i will call

[2:58:20] for a motion to adjourn

[2:58:24] counselor budaric so move counselor town

[2:58:26] in seconds

[2:58:28] any comment

[2:58:29] i'll call the question all those in

[2:58:31] favor please raise a hand

[2:58:33] and the opposed motion is carried we are

[2:58:35] adjourned and we did get it in before 10

[2:58:38] o'clock we didn't have to make that

[2:58:39] special motion have a great evening

[2:58:41] folks i thank you all for sticking with

[2:58:43] it and to our audience we appreciate

[2:58:46] your attendance as well and have a great

[2:58:48] evening and the rest of your week

Regular Council - 22 Nov 2021

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