[0:00] I can make you a contact information, if you'd like.

[0:05] He'll be here. So Thursday, the meetings are quarterly. The next one just happens. Is

[5:55] there any additions,

[6:16] Approved. The motion to bring. Second comment. I'll get used to it. My name's. Well, my name is to you.

[6:26] That's

[6:29] all right. This changes. All the favour to keep us saying aye. Aye.

[6:34] Be opposed. All right. Now for public comments.

[6:45] We'll move on to all business. The fiscal year 2027 budget update.

[6:51] So I did send out a document that's attached to the agenda online because of the deadline

[7:00] that was last week.

[7:04] I did come in over the weekend and did more work to get it closer.

[7:10] So I can either, I can, we can discuss either one of those versions.

[7:15] My recommendation would be we discussed the latest and greatest, the things that have

[7:21] change are, I have all of the state revenues with the exception of the fuel tax and I'm

[7:28] confident that my estimate will be close. It will not be measurably different when the

[7:35] fuel tax comes in. The other change was the medical benefits for staff. As you are aware, we've

[7:44] changed the employee participation rates we had and we offered an HMO plan this year.

[7:54] We had 40 staff members opt for the HMO plan.

[7:59] People migrated from plan to plan so when it all shook out and I put the actuals into

[8:06] the budget there was an additional $99,000 worth of savings to the city.

[8:11] So, good news. So, Harold, if you'd put my screen up, please.

[8:24] And I went through and I

[8:26] adjusted all the actual risk for fiscal 26. And I will happily give you a copy of this

[8:33] today. So, the good news is, because I did it over the weekend generally, that was the end

[8:40] And August, so I had 11 months worth of data so I could more accurately analyze the revenues.

[8:50] So based on our conversations and the last meetings, the CRA is funded at 50%.

[8:58] I was instructed to leave in the intersection, rails to trails, and to leave in the flock

[9:06] cameras at a 4.35. That means the journal fund now has a very modest surplus of $286,000.

[9:20] I have gotten the question, what my recommendation would be for a target. I have two answers to

[9:29] question. First is if I were designing this with optimally

[9:39] based on what we

[9:42] think will happen on November 3rd, I would prefer that there be somewhere in

[9:49] the neighborhood of $750,000 or plus. However, I don't think that's possible. That

[9:59] would require responding another half million dollars.

[10:05] This was about half of what we're

[10:10] going to lose next year. So kind of splitting the baby if we find half of it this year, if

[10:18] amendment free passes. So we'll lose somewhere in the order of a million six. The latest

[10:23] assessment is a million six. So what percentage of our cash fairs would be affected by?

[10:31] That I can't tell you. I mean almost all of the $250,000 year one.

[10:40] We're primarily a bedroom community. I know there are some rentals and there are some second

[10:46] homes, but it's primarily a bedroom community. So I would imagine it would be a not high percent.

[10:54] Anyway, so while I'm encouraged that we have a surplus, I don't want us to assume that

[11:04] this is, we're all set, everything's fine, mission accomplished kind of thing.

[11:11] I want to make sure that we all understand that there's a second step and the second step

[11:17] is November and we don't really know what the outcome of the second step is and because

[11:23] I am extraordinarily conservative, just physically, I hesitate to say that this

[11:35] is done.

[11:37] So do you have suggestions where you're going to find another 400 and 75,000 as far as that

[11:45] you would recommend to the committee to be able to look in and see if that is something

[11:51] we agree with. I mean you guys see the numbers on the top. You mean if you get to that

[11:57] seven-fifth, do you have recommendations? The recommendations that we have presented have

[12:03] not been welcomed. The Animal Control, the CRA, Sports and Renek, Parks and Grounds,

[12:15] and

[12:15] Well, sequence is going to be reduced to get that how would you reduce on

[12:19] At least head count is what we're talking about we have done that this year. Okay, so we have reduced eight positions

[12:26] Eight sworn in the police department. It's

[12:30] Restructured and we

[12:32] When it's all complete and training is over and higher down when we have more people on patrol

[12:37] Per shift them what we did with about five officers for each

[12:41] So that is being accomplished fire we reduced down

[12:45] one division chief position there's not really much more to reduce and fire

[12:51] overall at the time until the decision is made as you know of a consolidation

[12:57] discussion animal control I think everyone knows that conversation you could

[13:04] completely eliminate animal control and you would save about 200 grand a year by

[13:08] paying the county to do it and again we are the only most quality that has an animal

[13:13] control? I'm on agreement with you on that 100%. It's a nice to have when the money is there.

[13:22] When the money really isn't there, you're looking to be able to cut it. I think that it's a lot

[13:26] should read that. So I agree with you. So what else besides that trend? The elimination of the

[13:33] CRA completely, the commission, you all recommended to do that and they cut it in half right by the

[13:41] and the sports and rack program.

[13:42] So if you eliminate all of your leagues,

[13:45] your baseball, softball, football, soccer,

[13:48] you're not gonna completely eliminate the department

[13:51] unless we walk away from the facilities.

[13:54] No matter what, we will still have to pay to manage

[13:56] the gym, manage the sports bar, manage the skate open.

[13:59] Now, there are some options potentially

[14:01] of having some companies come in to run your leagues.

[14:05] Not that you would make money to do it,

[14:07] but you may make enough to break even to take care of the facilities.

[14:12] Do we bring any tournaments in?

[14:14] Until we're bringing in revenue, we looked at what revenue could potentially be brought in on the party.

[14:20] So we did bring in revenue, but nowhere near enough to break even in that department.

[14:25] There are a lot of growth potential, but there's also a lot of limitations.

[14:30] When you have the public's complex and Frank Brown at the beach that are surrounded by

[14:35] condes and hotels and great places, it's kind of hard to attract people to do a

[14:40] tournament in the haven, though they have. I think it would be more of working on

[14:44] an agreement with the TDC or somewhere on the beach to be an overflow, so they

[14:49] could expand their tournaments, but they could also plan on the haven. People could

[14:53] still stay at the beach and have that that effect. So we suspended lead leagues.

[15:00] How many kids does that affect? A couple of thousands.

[15:10] I think I'd rather be spending money on leaks than spending money on trying to build a restaurant to forget and to miss your trip.

[15:20] I mean, I mean, when I don't come to dollar stuff, I'm not there either of you. Is that going to really really need a whole lot? No, so it's kind of it's kind of hard to to analyze it because when you look at the sports rack and not knowing what you would what expenses you would have without all

[15:38] you know just trying to estimate so if you go through and you eliminate your

[15:41] your referees and your uniforms and awards you save a little bit of money but

[15:48] then you're also taken out the revenue and all the registration fees and

[15:51] the rise. It's not offsetting completely but it is a little bit of saving to the

[15:55] general fund but not enough to get that $7.50 that keep eventually. No, it's not.

[16:00] But it wouldn't get us closer so a couple of things. The sports and

[16:05] wreck were at five and a half for personal costs. And then the total total budget isn't

[16:16] only in two. School back up to that. You got to include the water park. Yes. School

[16:22] up to that. We thought about the personnel. So if we sell, you have to sell the entire park.

[16:30] So

[16:34] one other thing that we need to keep in mind, I keep bringing this up because I am concerned

[16:43] about how the vote is going to go.

[16:48] So this budget with the 286, can everybody see the 286 sales there?

[16:55] Okay.

[16:55] That's with the 4.35 that you are recommended at the last meeting.

[16:59] If

[17:07] I change it to the rollback rate, which requires a 3-2 vote, we don't have 4-1.

[17:19] This is what a 3-2 gets us.

[17:21] And now, including what we have now, we're in a deficit of 384,001.

[17:29] You see why I'm-

[17:43] So, at the staff level, the commission ultimately is going to have to make a vote beside what they want to get rid of, what are their priorities.

[17:52] The staff level, we have pretty much cut everything. Again, this budget has zero capital on that as position, first no cuts.

[18:01] No color.

[18:03] Basically, to get to that, you're going to have to cut the animal control and the CRA, probably about to get that 3-8-4.

[18:12] Well, animal control is what? 200, you would say about, you would say the estimated

[18:17] about 200 grand, maybe a little lower in the first year because if we were to do

[18:22] the way with it, we would still have to, which the budget on it right now for animal control

[18:26] three look at that because it's 350 dollars you would take, I think, I don't recall.

[18:32] I can't even say they're not a dead.

[18:34] So commission said that, amicably yes, our decision could be, hey, we're going to have

[18:41] close animal control. It's not the relationship we want to have, but you're as you could do.

[18:48] 3.73 per animal. I keep in mind about 85 of that is to renovate, to do some renovations.

[18:55] And if we close animal control and the county, the county would be interested in using up

[19:01] facilities for those $85,000, would likely still be expense this year to get a derivative.

[19:13] The accounting expressed any, I mean, were they willing to come to the table to talk about it, if I may not, any further or they just said that.

[19:22] So at the beginning, absolutely, there was a lot of pushback from the public and they just said, hey, we're going to look at focusing on some things at our animal shelter.

[19:34] And when we get those published up, we'll come back to the table.

[19:38] Any time, Frank?

[19:39] I would say for a fiscal year 28.

[19:42] So it's mostly the public that was complaining about being not the county.

[19:47] Counting is okay because it's another revenue source for the crisis.

[19:50] Yes.

[19:54] I mean, that's still, I mean it's a big nut, $373,000.

[19:59] Right?

[20:01] How many do we have?

[20:03] What's the head count inside?

[20:04] Personnel?

[20:05] We have three.

[20:08] So of that $373,000, where is?

[20:13] Two away from a person.

[20:15] Well, what we did do with the personnel.

[20:20] So hopefully the county would offer them a position if they added positions.

[20:25] But we would, if there was another position available that was not frozen or eliminated,

[20:32] we would offer it to them if it was a fed, and if not, they would have to get their position.

[20:36] Are there any positions available that are not frozen, that potentially they could in transfer

[20:42] within the city?

[20:43] Yes.

[20:43] there's a couple in the enterprise by the maintenance worker positions. I'm not saying that all three of them would

[20:48] but one or two of them absolutely could. But the potential of one or two or two possibly and then one cost

[20:54] we could go to county types of visits so we wouldn't be leaving people hung out to drive. We decided we had the

[21:00] ax a lot of it but there would be enough opportunity out there that they would have a position.

[21:05] I don't

[21:10] know what would take you to unwind on that.

[21:13] Flip the lights off.

[21:15] Move the animals to the county and that was the deal.

[21:19] The public outcry.

[21:22] The animal shelters too fold.

[21:24] One is public safety.

[21:26] The second is that the county is a kill shelter.

[21:30] So we are a kill shelter as well.

[21:32] How many of you recognize that one?

[21:34] I don't have that number.

[21:35] We are a kill shelter as well.

[21:36] Well, however, because we only take Flint-Aven animals,

[21:41] we have a little bit more space than the county does,

[21:43] so they are able to keep longer to look for adoption.

[21:47] So that was a misinformation about,

[21:50] oh, well, the city of Flint-Aven is a no-kill shelter.

[21:53] I don't think there's any municipality

[21:55] but it's a no-kill shelter.

[21:57] But we do not have as high statistics for sure as the government.

[22:00] But we have to analyze that.

[22:03] There are people that take their dogs

[22:04] that they had to further their lifetime when their dog gets sick and they take him to

[22:08] a bat and they put him down at the normal part of life and unfortunately for dogs that

[22:13] are in shelters because they did not have anybody to care for them, I mean yes, but I really

[22:22] I think that that is something that we really need to seriously go in and motion that you know

[22:28] And without affecting a whole lot of people, we can go in and cut a considerable amount of budget.

[22:38] Right, so we kind of talk about it, but that's maybe as well.

[22:41] When you start finding out these different departments and prioritizing what has the most effect on all the most people.

[22:48] I mean, of course, sports and right and parks and ground are at the top of that list of the amount of people that they have cut.

[22:54] and control, CRA, those are have the least effect on the amount of people that they affect.

[23:02] Are there any that have contracts that require the severance package?

[23:06] No sir. I don't have the only contract in Goli, currently at the city, until they hire a firm.

[23:13] I'm going to be right hand man.

[23:23] I mean, it's, you know, I don't want to sound cruel about things and stuff, but I really

[23:29] think that this is just something good.

[23:31] So within the grand scheme of things, we are not going to miss, right?

[23:36] I mean, like building a library, we could go and spend whatever money we want on a library,

[23:40] how many people are really going to use it, right?

[23:42] I go to a college and look at the library and it's like nothing there, right?

[23:47] I mean, and so everything's so electronic, times changed and I think in this instance times

[23:56] have changed and the luxury of having your own shelter that you can, that a manager maintain.

[24:03] I think it's something that we need to really seriously present to the commission that unfortunately,

[24:09] although it may not be popular with some people.

[24:12] What was the pushback before? Was it just a no-kill issue or what other issues?

[24:20] It was the no-kill issue.

[24:22] With animal control, with animal shelter, most of the public outcry is due to the care of

[24:29] the animals that we could keep among. We've had some well-earned animals in our shelter.

[24:35] And the right that the euthanizing by counties a lot higher than Manhattan,

[24:42] That was the main pushback for me personally.

[24:44] I've benefited from animal control because I live on a fairly wooded area and trap raccoons

[24:50] and we've got chias and the controls come out for that kind of stuff.

[24:53] We'll lose that ability or animal control for our animal control to respond directly to

[24:59] citizen issues but say there is a um in my mind if you said okay we're going to get rid of animal control

[25:17] there's a possibility that the public may step up and try to self-fund but if we're the county we

[25:23] can't do that itself. There was a recent charity done by some of the

[25:30] native residents and they raised approximately $831. And that's great. Any

[25:35] any funds that we receive are much appreciated. However, you can

[25:40] have a facility with $831 donations. And you can't rely on them.

[25:46] Yeah, right now it's a hot topic because of the talks of eliminating it. So it's a hot topic.

[25:50] six months from now, they're going to move on to something else.

[25:54] And also, we are the only city that I can find from

[25:59] Pensacola to Tallahassee that has an animal control.

[26:03] Everywhere else is performed by the counties,

[26:06] except the city of Tallahassee and Leon County are two separate ones there.

[26:10] But everything that I can find we are the only city

[26:14] in that spread with an animal shelter.

[26:17] And when we talk about, you know, keeping animals long-term, that is wonderful and straight,

[26:24] but it's also not a taxpayers responsibility to house animals for two or three years, it's

[26:28] not about them.

[26:29] All right.

[26:30] We're doing that.

[26:31] We're doing that.

[26:32] We're doing that.

[26:33] Also at the same time, a dog living in the cage for many years of its life, although it's

[26:38] being fed, it's not really in life.

[26:39] So, it's not that we're being cruel by humanely utilizing an animal to recover the dignity

[26:49] of his life, but as far as on the services that I see it, what we provide, all of that

[26:57] to be provided by the county and also by private enterprise.

[27:05] I do feel that, yes, there was a public outcry, but if it comes down to it, and people have

[27:10] to call, and control, and ask, oh, police officer, they're going to want to, police officer,

[27:15] be there much faster than they are, they're in control.

[27:19] I'm an absolute agreeable person, I think that's the right decision to be able to make at this

[27:24] time.

[27:24] I think it's not that bad, but when you look at the federal services, please fire civil

[27:31] war.

[27:32] I mean, certainly those things, doesn't matter.

[27:35] What are the recommendations you have?

[27:38] You said you had penciled some in.

[27:40] Well, the parks department, there are certain things that I think we can review.

[27:49] We have some contracts with some outside vendors.

[27:52] We also have internal staff members, I think it's a management issue about handling the staff and requiring more of them.

[28:04] I know that from the numbers point of view I couldn't assign a dollar value on it.

[28:10] It would be something that we would need the director to put input on to see if there could be budgets savings there.

[28:20] but we do have quite a few contracts outside of the city.

[28:24] What type of contract?

[28:25] Long-year.

[28:26] Long-year.

[28:27] The buyer preserves putting out the pine straw,

[28:31] doing the just general maintenance kind of things.

[28:36] We can't see some of the contract, or went in

[28:40] and some of them, some of the contracts,

[28:42] so if they were canceled, what would likely result

[28:45] in needing additional personnel to keep up

[28:48] with services they do?

[28:49] And I will say, I mean, I've been in government for 20 years than the contracts, what the

[28:56] work that the contractors perform, do move a lot better than what government thinks

[29:02] care of.

[29:02] I mean, it is what it is.

[29:05] There is nothing to say.

[29:06] There is a good opposite of that.

[29:07] That's right.

[29:07] Of course now.

[29:08] There is a difference when a company comes up to mode of facility here.

[29:15] We're not the only thing they're doing for the day.

[29:17] It's the only thing that our guys are doing for the day, so there's no one sent them to roll through, keep going.

[29:23] And if their ball skits a call that they have to come back here two or three times,

[29:28] they likely don't have a job in the government role, and it is a bit different.

[29:32] So some of these facilities in this environment have a contractor.

[29:36] And do they actively go out and try to be able to bring tournaments and tourism in?

[29:41] Yeah, well, it's been very good about going to a trap that he has great connections.

[29:46] I was just probably aside from the public sports complex, I mean, Justin was probably the best

[29:52] sports lead coordinator, and that's not the correct term in baking out of it for me.

[29:58] How's his people managing?

[30:00] It's good to do a good job with managing those. I mean, unfortunately, you know, Justin deals with a lot of high school kids like take your eyes flash bad and work the gym and stuff. So it's not like he has a crew of, you know, people that are looking for a full career in this their full time job. He does have a lot of part timers and high schoolers, but he also does have some some full timers and the people they all do a great job.

[30:26] So in the budget, those are two separate

[30:29] conversations. Parks and grounds, sports and

[30:33] rent. There are two different departments. Parks and

[30:36] grounds has known a whole time employees. We did a little

[30:41] readjusting with some titles here.

[30:47] Sports and

[30:48] rent has not been a half and those are primarily part

[30:51] times. Okay, where could we make cuts in parks and

[30:55] grounds?

[30:58] So it would actually take a little bit of

[31:00] time, but I think if you analyze the amount of areas that the parks and grounds in

[31:06] house personnel cut and do a cost estimate on contracting more of it out,

[31:11] I think it would be a cost that gets air on three persons cutting the contracts.

[31:15] We did just shift a little bit parks and grounds folks cuts the wastewater

[31:20] plant, the water plants, all of our stations and reuse sites. So we just did

[31:25] shift one of those personnel into the enterprise ones. We looked at private

[31:30] that Danny reached out, got some prices on what it would cost to have a contractor cut all of those areas, and it was cheaper to keep one person for parts, but put him split between the water and sewer department to cut all of those areas.

[31:45] So the enterprise phone will now be taken here for all grounds.

[31:51] So, again, parks and grounds including those nine employees, some million, 54,000.

[32:01] Including nine employees?

[32:02] Yes.

[32:06] So,

[32:11] let me give you a real-world example of what's happened.

[32:16] The director came to me and asked about replacing some plant, Mr. Rail.

[32:22] And I said he said it doesn't look good and I said, well, is it a want or is it a need?

[32:28] He says, well, it needs to look good.

[32:30] And I said in today's fiscal environment, we need to do needs, not wants to clean it up,

[32:38] get rid of the dead debris, but we're not going to replant our wants versus needs.

[32:44] So those are the kind of things that we're having to make decisions on.

[32:48] So it's kind of like, I'm not convinced we need to put Christmas lights on this building under the current fiscal situation should we pay to have lights?

[33:03] I don't remember $10,000.

[33:04] That's certainly two that we discussed with the Commission and it works up two or three or maybe four.

[33:10] and ask them, hey, do you want to eliminate this?

[33:13] And we didn't receive any feedback,

[33:15] so that number is still in the budget.

[33:17] It could still be eliminated.

[33:19] It's $10,000 to put lights on the building.

[33:23] Again, the wants versus the needs.

[33:26] Is it wonderful?

[33:27] I think you can afford to get four.

[33:29] Can I ask question?

[33:30] What are the 4.35 came from,

[33:34] said you said, it's between number or was that?

[33:37] That's the max you can go with a 4.1, but I thought anything up to 4.5.

[33:43] Yeah, it was the recommendation of this committee.

[33:46] Was the 4.35?

[33:47] I'm just asking.

[33:48] I didn't know if there was a change.

[33:50] I know that at the last meeting, the public commissioner's reference,

[33:53] whatever we went to 4.4, 4.4, 4.5, there was some other number

[33:57] with that resolved some of these issues.

[33:59] Then the 4.35 is the max 4.1.

[34:01] 4.1, vote.

[34:01] What's home?

[34:03] 4-6 months.

[34:06] Your thing is 4.35 is 5.0.

[34:13] 4.3677, I ran into a day�to for simplicity.

[34:25] Item will talk about last term.

[34:28] But you said we'd aromatic out of the Snake contract.

[34:30] But they couldn't do it last, at least this morning.

[34:33] Oh, that was in the IT department.

[34:36] Yes, same Sarah.

[34:39] How could we get out of it?

[34:40] No, it wasn't the same Sarah.

[34:43] Miss Hodges,

[34:46] was the thing that we missed by 30 days

[34:48] when we tried to cancel it.

[34:53] Thank you.

[34:57] I think it was $6,000.

[35:10] No, I think it's in March. March, again. We have to. Yes, we missed the deadline to cut it off by three days.

[35:19] It would not cut it off, so we had a way to pay for the $6,000 and we have it on our calendars to make sure

[35:26] that we apologize this next year, but that was I think $6,000, nothing in that room.

[35:32] That is the circle and that.

[35:34] Thank you.

[35:39] Well, so notice that all that's been through, we're at for a little bit down the other

[35:44] roads.

[35:47] All right, so I feel compelled to bring up the CRA discussion, this budget that you're

[35:54] looking at does have a 50% funding for the CRA which

[36:02] numerically makes sense for this budget.

[36:07] However, if we fund the CRA 50% and the county would fund their side at 50%,

[36:15] and over the life of the CRA, the city would be walking away from $13 million with the county money.

[36:22] You

[36:31] know, you know, it also entails the city how to put it to spend it.

[36:36] Correct.

[36:37] Correct.

[36:38] And I look at that, just like in the match, and if you've got a 4-0-1 tag, if you can match it, you should.

[36:45] You can't do this.

[36:46] That

[36:49] becomes a nice city, not a need, not a half to have.

[36:54] I mean, playing it for the future is definitely something you want to do, but if you have to match it,

[37:00] and you don't have the funds to match it, you just, you can't do it.

[37:04] agreed. It's leveraged many.

[37:09] Also keep in mind, it's not in the county's best interest

[37:15] to go back. We change our minds. You say, okay, 50% this year and then when we say next

[37:21] year, we want to do 75% accounting would have to agree. It's not in their best interest

[37:27] to agree, because it's going to be saving money.

[37:31] So whatever decision is made this year probably will be a permanent change.

[37:39] It's also placed into the November election as well, the passes, the rate that affects

[37:45] the RAs in order, into which extent.

[37:49] The whole property tax goes down to the tax pool, the base goes down, so it will be even less

[37:54] money we would be giving.

[37:58] And keep in mind, too, when we say adding money to anything, this budget and everyone should

[38:07] know.

[38:07] I think we've stressed it, reiterated enough, fiscal year 27th budget, it's one of those

[38:12] budgets that, if a vehicle breaks down, that vehicle is going to sit there, it's not like

[38:16] it's been in the past where, oh, let's move some money from this line item to cover the

[38:20] repairs, vehicle breaks down, that vehicle's not getting repaired right now.

[38:26] this budget is the tightest it's been so it's not it's not

[38:31] likely that you're going to see anything be repaired that wasn't

[38:36] accounted for already. Again, every decision is going to

[38:40] boil down to once versus needs. 26 was an extraordinarily tight

[38:46] budget. We had some real challenges in getting things done.

[38:51] 27 is going to be even more so.

[38:56] So you're saying you don't want to be able to fund the CRA at 50 percent.

[39:02] You want to be able to stay in it 100 percent.

[39:08] I would recommend splitting the baby on this one.

[39:12] I would say let's go to 75 percent see how it plays out and then revisit next year.

[39:17] So I've been here, if you need, here from Ben.

[39:22] Absolutely.

[39:23] I'm sure you've got some boss Ben.

[39:25] Thank you.

[39:28] It gives you a good start

[39:38] with the summary, and then kind of, and then we'll take it from

[39:41] there, and I'll probably certainly answer all of your questions you might have.

[39:46] So we just extended the lifespan of the CRA by another 10 years.

[39:50] So by default by state statutes, the CRA's lifespan is 30 years, ours was started in 2003

[40:00] and it was designed to expire in 2003.

[40:04] Now we added another 10 years to it, so our new expiration date is 2043.

[40:12] CRA's are funded through text increment financing.

[40:15] So, the idea is, we invest some money in, we use CRA money, invest in the CRA, the property values go up.

[40:26] And Joey's house, that was worth $100,000 in 2003, now has a value of $150,000, hypothetically.

[40:37] And that text and the text that are assessed on the $50,000 increment that goes into the

[40:46] CRA bucket to pay for all of these improvements.

[40:51] So you've seen all these sidewalks here, we paid for the stage here at Checkfield Park

[40:56] with CRA dollars.

[40:58] Improvements to the Union Soldier Park, all of that increases the value of our homes here,

[41:05] are real estate within the CRA.

[41:13] We calculated, so how did the CRA perform over the last 16 years?

[41:22] No, wait a minute. 2003, 23 years, right? Since its inception, the property value...

[41:32] 21 years.

[41:32] 21 years, the property values within the CRA actually increased by over 200%.

[41:40] So it was designed to eliminate slum and blight.

[41:44] We did a study in the beginning in 2003 to identify those issues.

[41:49] Stormwater was one of them.

[41:52] Insufficient housing stock was another one.

[41:55] We have a lot of vacant lots within the CRA.

[41:57] So we put all these action items in place to remedy this and updating the city infrastructure.

[42:09] You know, aging water lines, sewer lines, all of this was identified in the CRA plan to tackle with the CRA funds.

[42:17] So we've been doing this over the years. We've made some progress.

[42:20] We have less flooding here in the CRA, but there's still some hotspots that we need to address

[42:25] Yes, and the CRA can pay for these improvements.

[42:36] So we ran some numbers and identified that the property taxes, yeah, the tax increment

[42:48] over the last 21 years on average increased by 8 percent.

[42:54] That includes a hurricane that includes COVID, a real estate, in 2008 we had the real estate

[43:03] bubble burst, that had a huge impact on the CRA in terms of the funding but on average

[43:15] we increased the property taxes or the tax increment was on average by 8%.

[43:22] If we apply that 8% to the next 16 years, we're estimating an overall revenue of $26 million.

[43:32] 13 of that $26 million will come from the county.

[43:36] And that's the number that was miscalculated.

[43:39] $26 million comes from the county, $18 million comes from the city.

[43:42] Oh, yes.

[43:43] This city would have to spend $17.6 million in order for the county to participate with $26 million.

[43:53] Now, I've set this schedule up in such a way that I can lay around with it.

[43:59] Well, the other thing about it too is that county taxes aren't free for us.

[44:04] I mean, if you're living in Lynn Haven, you're paying Bay County taxes as well.

[44:08] One way or another, correct.

[44:09] All right, coming out of our pocket, look to the way.

[44:12] Yes, excellent point.

[44:14] And so we would have, it's an increment financing

[44:20] is a reallocation of taxes.

[44:24] We're not paying more taxes just because we're in the CRA.

[44:27] We're just putting some of the taxes that

[44:29] are being collected into the CRA bucket.

[44:33] So if you reduce this, you're essentially

[44:36] giving some of that money back to the county and the county will spend it in

[44:41] fountain or on the west end of the beach to do their improvements. So there are a

[44:49] lot of places that are here in the city that edge on the county, the border on

[44:54] the county. There are homes and then the next door to them it's in county. Yes, or

[44:59] process.

[45:00] There are some, yes, there are some areas on place that we still have. So again, I've done this in such a way we can model this out. This is at 50%, which is what is in the budget right this minute. So in order for the city to receive $13 million from accounting, the city would participate with $8.8 million over the course of the CRA. So this is the schedule that we

[45:31] we can use if the budget stays the way it is now.

[45:36] This is a 50.

[45:38] This is 50.

[45:39] Was the increase from 2022 to 2026 based on property value, I mean, it went from 176,478,575.

[45:53] Yes.

[45:54] So, my question is over that same time, Frank.

[45:58] What did the add-on tax for the city overall increase percentage lines?

[46:04] I mean, I think you I don't have them in front of you, but I think you have eight percent increased from 25 to 26 in the

[46:12] CRO properties. What was the general increase overall?

[46:16] It's what I'm asking. I think we were at 3.9 for a long time and then it went up

[46:21] to 4.3 maybe and then loaded. Yeah, I don't have those numbers on

[46:25] So, there is an option to, and we, if I can forget this wrong, but if the City Commission decided to eliminate the CRA 100%, the Commission could draft an ordinance that would restrict the money that we used to put into the CRA that money could be restricted to only pay a debt service, or could only, could be restricted to only pay whatever the Commission decided, but it could say, hey, we are only going to use this money to put towards the debt service plus, of course, the difference

[46:55] But it could be an additional payment to the debt service or a good take here of

[47:00] What about 30% of the payment?

[47:05] Maybe not quite 30%

[47:07] Yeah, I mean they can decide how we want to spend that money if I don't put in the CRA. So so right now we we do

[47:15] commercial incentives and

[47:16] residential incentives as a bank program

[47:20] an incentive for new houses built.

[47:23] What projects is the CRA completed that were not grant funded in the last three years?

[47:31] Sidewalks on Illinois Avenue, Minnesota Avenue.

[47:36] We have one right now planned for Pennsylvania Avenue.

[47:40] The sidewalk, for example on Tennessee Avenue,

[47:44] I spend my CRA time on it but it's 100% funded through DOT.

[47:49] same with the utility improvements on around 10th Street, and here on Florida and Ohio have

[47:58] new improvements that we're about to start construction on. So those are all projects

[48:03] that are grants that we secured after Hurricane Michael to make these improvements, and it

[48:09] will 100% benefit the Sierra area. But it's not in the budget, really.

[48:14] 4.8 miles outside of New Zealand.

[48:16] There's half out of there.

[48:17] These will be tip.

[48:18] Yes.

[48:19] Just bring it.

[48:19] So I have to train the grants of Wales.

[48:22] Well since I've ever came any idea what that is.

[48:25] It certainly brings that period a lot.

[48:26] So utility improvements is 5.5 million.

[48:31] Ford on a high avenue is 4.3.

[48:35] Tennessee Avenue is 1.2.

[48:39] You should.

[48:40] Absolutely.

[48:40] So it's not just about TIFF, I guess my point is we're really using our resources and trying to find place how to maximize that by getting grants from the state from DOT to make these improvements here in our downtown area.

[49:01] If somebody's tipped on the knees for sewer water in within the CRA in the six years. I've been here

[49:10] I don't know about before so you've upgraded

[49:14] Memorial Park was one of the projects is that that was was that funded from non-grants or grants

[49:19] This was funded through Sierra

[49:21] so some grants

[49:25] require a local match and

[49:27] and one of the grants that is in the pipeline right now is some improvements

[49:33] around Lynn Haven Elementary School. A total of 1.5 million, we split it into

[49:39] three phases. In each phase we're proposing this was part of our application, we're

[49:46] proposing to give a $100,000 toward the project in order to get $500,000 from

[49:52] the state. And that money would come from the CRA. So this is what I'm, this is I think

[49:59] a good example to show. Yes, we have to put some money on the table, but we're also

[50:04] getting a lot of money from the state. So

[50:12] again, reducing or eliminating the CRA does

[50:17] indeed save the general fund budget in the short run. It's a matter of, it's an error

[50:25] broke, in my opinion, it would be an irrevocable decision, and we would lose whatever funding

[50:34] from the county.

[50:35] What's to keep the city from going through the county so we want to reduce the CRA for

[50:40] one year only?

[50:41] I guess we could say that.

[50:43] I'm not sure they'd agree.

[50:44] So we could.

[50:45] The county has to agree.

[50:46] Right.

[50:47] I mean, they would be more likely to agree to that than not doing it at all, I would think.

[50:52] What do you mean?

[50:53] I mean, if we said we're going to leave the CRA as it is and you're going to have to use your TF 600,000 to us, or we can reduce it by

[51:00] 50% for this one year and then we can re-address it next year if we want to care that for or not. I don't want it. It takes a county vote next year too, right?

[51:09] Yeah, I mean, any kind of modification from the city would require modification from the county, which is the risk of reducing it so much.

[51:18] But I guess that's why I'm asking them could the recruitment be to reduce it just for one year?

[51:24] I would say it's unlikely in the future commission something like that.

[51:29] I would think that if it's an ordinance that changes it modifies it.

[51:32] So again, I don't think they can unilaterally change it on their own either.

[51:36] So that's the discussion with the county.

[51:42] Talking about too, there's some kind of appetizer for that.

[51:45] I can tell you that R-C-R-A is not their largest C-R-A by any means, so the money that we're dealing with

[51:54] while there's a lot of money for Lynn Haven is not a lot of money for the county and the

[51:59] green scheme of things, although every dollar they spend is important.

[52:05] Panama City and Panama City Beach especially have a way to go into this.

[52:09] I agree.

[52:10] So on the screen now, it is a 75% funding,

[52:16] it is sort of easy math, it now becomes 19 million dollar participation from the county and 13 million dollar participation from the city of the course of a life of the CRA.

[52:26] All right.

[52:28] That's through the 43.43.

[52:39] Again, this 8% is a very conservative number in terms of growth forecast.

[52:50] Well, it's historically accurate.

[52:54] Yes.

[52:55] Okay.

[52:55] My crystal ball is broken.

[52:58] I don't can't tell you what 2043 is going to look like or in Europe between now.

[53:05] now that statistically is a defense owner.

[53:11] There are limitations on what we can spend on money on.

[53:14] I mean, I recognize that's the reason CRA is the limitation

[53:17] as to what you can do with it.

[53:20] Yes. So any activity has to be reference

[53:25] back to the CRA plan. That's a document that was created

[53:29] back in 2003, and it identifies the areas that have a deficiency in where the CRA should

[53:38] focus their funding on.

[53:40] So, utility improvements within the CRA storm waters is a big item,

[53:48] improvements

[53:49] of the commercial corridor, streetscape improvements along Florida Avenue and Ohio Avenue.

[53:56] So believe it or not, they talked about rails or trails back in 2003 and it was promoted

[54:02] to get, find some state money and convert the old railroad tracks into a multipurpose

[54:09] non-motorized trail.

[54:11] So, and actually there's a continuation.

[54:13] The plan is to extend the trail all the way into the fuel depots, so that's still on the

[54:18] to-do list.

[54:22] Mr. Janky and I have also discussed the regional storm water.

[54:26] Yes.

[54:27] I'm just thinking about, you know, sewer or water storm water issues that we continue

[54:33] to face throughout the city, you know, taking some of the sludge using a flat purpose

[54:38] within the CRA is a benefit and reduces the strength of puts on those requirements in those

[54:47] aerobits.

[54:48] So this, correct me if I'm wrong, please.

[54:51] The storm water, the original storm water plan would directly finish on it.

[54:56] All of those homes down the Florida Avenue corridor,

[55:00] not homes, properties, excuse me, and could alleviate

[55:06] the stormwater requirement of those properties.

[55:10] The reason we have hard time getting businesses to build

[55:13] there is because they each have to build their own stormwater

[55:16] bond, which restricts the size of the building that they could build.

[55:21] So if we eliminate that stormwater requirement by installing a

[55:25] regional storm water pond. Now it's more attractive for businesses to move into that area

[55:31] because their footprint has just grown. Right. What is the current status of regional

[55:38] storm water in the seal? Is there any work been done on it? We had to turn a grant down because

[55:43] we don't own the property to construct it.

[55:48] How big of a piece of property? That was 4.7 acres

[55:53] There's a thing to, where it was at 12, 12 and 11,

[55:58] Tennessee and Alabama.

[56:01] So my opinion would be to the city's best interest,

[56:06] to save the CRA dollars, purchase the property,

[56:10] and it would take us several years to do,

[56:13] purchase whatever property we can,

[56:16] install the regional stormwater,

[56:19] and then revert back to our previous method

[56:22] of utilizing the C.R.A funds.

[56:26] I think it would benefit the Florida Avenue businesses and it would attract more

[56:31] groups.

[56:34] We're currently working on a East side regional strong water facility that is 100% grant

[56:39] fund so far.

[56:41] We've got a legislative appropriation to design it this year and then we'll be able to submit

[56:47] for either Resilio for the money, more another appropriation to construct it.

[56:51] It's over behind. I want to say no. It is behind the islands. It's just north of

[56:58] the low islands, but south of 17th Street. I don't know. I mean, can't grip. Yes,

[57:02] or it events about a three or eight or watershed there.

[57:07] Would that less than the impact on Ford?

[57:09] No, sir.

[57:11] Wouldn't it have any impact on that, sir?

[57:13] But it would have a positive impact on the east side of the CRA. So everything

[57:19] east of Highway 77. So although that's treatment that facilities outside the

[57:26] CRA boundaries, it would have a benefit. It would create a benefit to the CRA. So

[57:32] I think with a county's approval, we could even spend some money on that.

[57:37] I know you're looking at ways to utilize CRA firms that you haven't been doing in

[57:42] in the past, like you, and it's a maintenance,

[57:44] so, CRA installed, which is like a,

[57:48] a building, back up, they can't be used.

[57:51] The parks?

[57:52] Not historically, they're doing.

[57:53] Yes, so, going back to the CRA plan,

[57:59] does this kind of my backup document,

[58:01] if you go, there are some sections that refer to this,

[58:06] whenever an infrastructure was constructed

[58:10] with CRA funds, the CRA is also allowed

[58:14] to spend money on the maintenance of those infrastructure components.

[58:19] So they do recognize the importance of, yes, building the infrastructure is important,

[58:25] but also maintaining it is also important.

[58:32] So we've given you lots of information.

[58:34] So what are the numbers look like with cutting the shelter and at 75 percent?

[58:44] one moment please.

[58:57] Judging from the previous commission meeting the

[59:03] commission's really looking at the 50% CRA and really in favor of the animal

[59:08] shelter I think we're gonna have a hard time swaying them to do anything else

[59:11] other than that it's not our job to swing. We just have to make rest of the nation so

[59:16] I understand. I mean I think it makes sense. I mean the CRA it's a

[59:27] the short-term fix that's going to have a long-term negative impact, I think, on the city

[59:32] giving up those funds that we've received from the county and being able to make improvements

[59:36] that we're probably going to have to make it simple anyway out of the other funds.

[59:41] Yeah, we may find ourselves in a year or so that this amendment, whatever we go through,

[59:46] and as Vimbrough, we may find ourselves looking at this again next year, but doesn't it?

[59:50] Yeah, I mean, if we have to find more funds next year, we're likely to have to do.

[59:55] Well, the whole budget is it's got a mess to me here. You're doing with all capitals

[1:00:00] Not doing any increases on salary, which is going to have an impact immediately on personnel. It's not sustainable. There is so many, just for refresher, there is so many in for the salary study.

[1:00:16] But it is not universally applied. It will adjust for the folks who are out of class. So that's a term in the end of market. Thank you. So it would not not all employees.

[1:00:29] would reap the benefit of that money would bring everybody back into categories

[1:00:34] where we can justify their salaries. So what I have done now is I have taken out

[1:00:42] the animal shelter I put in $150,000 as payment to the county and I have

[1:00:47] funded the CRA at 75% or at 343 at the 4.35.

[1:00:55] 75. Show the 3.97. And where does it shine at at 50 percent?

[1:01:05] 325.

[1:01:14] 315 in deficit.

[1:01:17] And that's under what's the area? 397.

[1:01:21] 75 percent. 75 percent of the CRA and closing the animal shelter.

[1:01:31] We're going to take the mill to about 4.35, close animal shelter, and this could be 50 percent on CRA.

[1:01:40] 50

[1:02:11] % on the CRA and the animal shelter is closed.

[1:02:21] Again, that's the 4-1 vote.

[1:02:28] It's the CRA at 1.75.

[1:02:36] We'll have that 20 if you didn't talk to me earlier.

[1:02:39] Okay, so let me finish this first please and then I'll go on to the next question.

[1:02:42] This is 50% CRA animal shelter is gone.

[1:02:48] 4-1 vote.

[1:02:50] This is three two go.

[1:02:59] What was your next question?

[1:03:01] If you get the military four, three, five, close dental shelter,

[1:03:04] and then just do a 25% cut on CRI.

[1:03:08] 4.35?

[1:03:09] Yes.

[1:03:10] And 75% of the CRI?

[1:03:14] No, just for these, about 25%.

[1:03:19] So the 75% was fun to get 75% not cutting in.

[1:03:22] Right.

[1:03:22] So 75% really is a 25% car?

[1:03:26] Yes.

[1:03:27] Gotcha.

[1:03:27] OK.

[1:03:28] OK.

[1:03:29] You can't go below 50.

[1:03:31] OK.

[1:03:32] That's what I meant.

[1:03:35] That's what I meant.

[1:03:36] That's what I meant.

[1:03:37] That's what I meant.

[1:03:37] Is that what you went?

[1:03:38] 35% funding?

[1:03:40] No.

[1:03:40] Yes.

[1:03:41] Would you have done that?

[1:03:42] No.

[1:03:43] Let's do it again.

[1:04:20] 75% funding for CRA and closing the animal shelter.

[1:04:42] I don't like it but I'm okay with it and I'm not crazy about Siri funding. I mean cutting it. I think it's a short term. I think we're sacrificing long for a game for that but I don't know if you have a whole lot of water room here.

[1:04:56] I'm there so 3-2 though.

[1:04:59] I'm sure it's not told about that either.

[1:05:08] It's not all men.

[1:05:10] Well, I know that.

[1:05:12] Honestly.

[1:05:14] And I'm not saying it's you, but I am.

[1:05:19] And in my humble opinion, I see that there is a lot of money that you need on the table.

[1:05:26] I mean, there are any other avenues to be able to get these types of grants,

[1:05:30] other than being through to see already.

[1:05:32] I mean, you are like the grand theme.

[1:05:36] No, I mean, we have a grand theme.

[1:05:38] Grand, you're right.

[1:05:40] The grand theme is a second ring now.

[1:05:42] It's a second ring.

[1:05:44] It's a second ring.

[1:05:45] It's a second ring.

[1:05:46] Well, the Deutsche D.D.C.R.A.

[1:05:48] will leverage on this.

[1:05:51] We're using...

[1:05:52] C.R.A.

[1:05:53] which one?

[1:05:54] We're using our A5s to get this grant, yes and no, the CDBG grants and everything from

[1:06:02] the research we've done, we would have received those grants anyway.

[1:06:06] They do have an impact in within the CRA limits, yes, but we could have still gotten those

[1:06:12] grants.

[1:06:13] Now, the one grant that's been talking about the same amount of schools, with a hundred

[1:06:17] grand match, we will utilize CRA dollars for that.

[1:06:20] But if we didn't have a CRA, we would likely use $100,000 search ads match, or we would have to pull it from the general fund.

[1:06:28] But if you didn't have the CRA, that money could be in the gender fund already to buy a match.

[1:06:36] We have a grant rider.

[1:06:38] At least more on it.

[1:06:40] Yes sir.

[1:06:40] I don't know what people are.

[1:06:43] We do have a grant rider.

[1:06:52] Personally, I would be in favor of doing CRA at 50% and doing my own battleship, doing both

[1:06:58] on the path.

[1:06:59] It spreads the damage a little bit and gives us a little bit of cushion for next

[1:07:03] year.

[1:07:04] And it's just sustainable, I think.

[1:07:06] It's not something that we're doing a one-time thing.

[1:07:09] 50% CRA and the animal shelter goes.

[1:07:15] I agree with you on that.

[1:07:17] I think that that's where we're at.

[1:07:18] And, you know, I mean, on the long-term, I mean, we look at money down the road of what

[1:07:26] a CRA may bring in or maybe relevant, but it's just a matter, sometimes you've got to

[1:07:33] make decisions.

[1:07:34] And it will cost us funds, obviously.

[1:07:36] You've seen the numbers.

[1:07:36] It will cost us funds, or it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that they won't take things

[1:07:42] back and go back to allow you to go back into 100%.

[1:07:46] It doesn't mean that we're shutting it out forever.

[1:07:49] There's no guarantee there wouldn't be a no forever, correct?

[1:07:53] And all it is is just a matter that, you know, I mean,

[1:07:57] I think trying to consider you to go back

[1:07:59] or can't you go back to the nearly possible,

[1:08:01] but that's just me.

[1:08:02] I don't think we'll go back.

[1:08:05] I say, yeah, hold on, you're back, don't you, sir.

[1:08:07] There's no benefit to the county.

[1:08:09] No.

[1:08:09] At least one way they'll have the possibility

[1:08:11] of the other things with it.

[1:08:12] We're definitely helping the county's budget.

[1:08:14] It may be small. It's a rounding year for them. It's big for us. It's small for them, but we are helping the county's budget by cutting the CRI.

[1:08:29] We're making emotions. I have a question on their own.

[1:08:33] Capital expenditures. We went down $750,000 from the previous budget to this budget.

[1:08:42] Capital outlaying.

[1:08:46] Look at the one we're looking at. Came in the packet today.

[1:08:50] You're at a total of cat lap lay of 9, 9,150.

[1:08:58] You were at 10,621, and 817.

[1:09:03] Yeah, off the top of my head, I don't know what this was.

[1:09:06] So I've re-structured a lot of the surtax projects.

[1:09:11] We changed that around.

[1:09:13] We also added back.

[1:09:14] we've received the go-and-to fund the H.U.G.V. Fire Department

[1:09:20] heartening project. So that process is in there. But there's

[1:09:24] corresponding revenue. That's a grant, that's a grant program.

[1:09:28] But shifted around 1.1 million. We took the West Side Outfall project out.

[1:09:32] It's not going to be designed ready to go. But we changed some

[1:09:36] additive million for sewer force maintenance upgrades. So there's just some

[1:09:40] things that have shifted in there. But as you can see in the general fund

[1:09:44] you have the fryer for the the concession stand and you have the honing for the public

[1:09:52] course numbers for fuel and then you have the HVAC at the annual shelter. Everything

[1:09:56] else is either a grant fund or a certain tax. I just know that it's not going to change

[1:10:02] it. And it's going to change again because I'm going to have one more certain tax project

[1:10:07] that we've got to get them so it will change one more time as well.

[1:10:16] But I was asking what the difference was about you know without me having to go back through it

[1:10:29] Quorum since we've got a quorum whatever we played on it. We played on something. It's got to be unanimous correct

[1:10:38] Charity

[1:10:41] So it can be a 2-1 vote if we go to something to do.

[1:10:45] Okay.

[1:10:51] I would move that we recommend the commission to do the, what is it, 4.365 numbers out

[1:10:59] of the number?

[1:10:59] 4.35.

[1:11:00] Yes.

[1:11:00] 4.35 and fund the CRA at 50% and de-fund the animal control.

[1:11:10] In a measure?

[1:11:12] I second.

[1:11:14] Second?

[1:11:14] Second.

[1:11:17] All in favor?

[1:11:18] Can I say aye?

[1:11:19] All right.

[1:11:20] Do you want?

[1:11:21] Anybody?

[1:11:22] Thank you.

[1:11:25] All right.

[1:11:26] One of them.

[1:11:26] I'm going to put it against.

[1:11:34] I look forward.

[1:11:36] The motion passed.

[1:11:37] It doesn't.

[1:11:37] We have.

[1:11:38] Steve, you voted second.

[1:11:39] Second.

[1:11:40] Yeah.

[1:11:41] Two, one.

[1:11:42] Do you

[1:11:46] have any other questions?

[1:11:52] Well, now that we've voted on that and passed it, you voted no.

[1:11:55] What was your issue?

[1:11:56] It should.

[1:11:56] It's serious.

[1:11:57] I would.

[1:11:58] I definitely think I'll dip it on.

[1:12:00] I think that's what I think.

[1:12:01] You mean in reference to the long term reference?

[1:12:04] Yeah.

[1:12:07] I mean, I completely understand

[1:12:11] right that there being concerns, but you know,

[1:12:14] that's a discussion before.

[1:12:16] I mean, governments, whether it's county,

[1:12:18] and so you have discussions about all that kind of stuff,

[1:12:21] and it's a matter of, hey, you know, what guys?

[1:12:23] We did what we did to be able to manage everything.

[1:12:29] and understand that yes, the county, it doesn't be who the county to be able to pay a 400 percent, right?

[1:12:37] But there are a lot of residents that are lineage and tax paying residents that live in the county.

[1:12:46] So it behooves the county to be able to keep their customers satisfied too as well.

[1:12:52] Do you know what I mean?

[1:12:55] I mean, yes, and there's no reason that they would want to be out there.

[1:12:58] Technically that is correct right technically you have a big base

[1:13:03] What are they going to find or something what's probably not going to say okay, we're going to pay for your

[1:13:11] Pennsylvania having nothing we all right may not get any cable bottoms and you business and you business

[1:13:20] All right next meeting date, so

[1:13:27] we have a budget workshop this afternoon and three people

[1:13:30] And then the commission for votes on a

[1:13:38] and then again on the 23rd will be the final.

[1:13:42] I would suggest that this committee's work is probably done for this budget year

[1:13:47] and that we could river back to the portal meetings if you unless you have an alternate thoughts.

[1:13:54] Did I have to give it a

[1:13:58] harassed key to you in town?

[1:14:00] Yeah, we know we were fine.

[1:14:03] So that technically would be December 1st, just three months.

[1:14:10] Yeah, it doesn't for already.

[1:14:12] 15 Sundays to first person.

[1:14:15] Oh, I

[1:14:20] don't know.

[1:14:23] December 1st, everybody.

[1:14:26] I'm open.

[1:14:27] I'm checking right now.

[1:14:30] Yes, I look good on that.

[1:14:31] You want to do 80 o'clock on Tuesday?

[1:14:34] Sure.

[1:14:40] Before we adjourn, since we met today in our minutes,

[1:14:47] we're not going to be available for a while,

[1:14:48] and they're having a budget meeting.

[1:14:51] Budget works on today.

[1:14:52] Do we need one of us to go to the commission meeting

[1:14:55] to present what we've done for today?

[1:14:58] We'll have a time.

[1:15:00] Okay, that's fine. We've got a planning board right after that, so we will present to that. That's it. Okay, long as I know what we recommend. Of course, you're more than welcome to attend. I don't speak for the committee.

[1:15:16] We can have a vote on that. All right. Anything else?

[1:15:25] Let me get a group.

[1:15:28] All right.

[1:15:29] I'm going to change her.

[1:15:30] Thank you.

[1:15:31] I love you.

[1:15:32] You're going to give me a minute.

[1:15:33] Please.

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