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royal blue, if you will.
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» All right, we'll call the Monday,
February 23rd city council meeting to
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order 6:30 p.m. and we'll join for the
pledge of allegiance.
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Sorry.
He just came back
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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
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for all.
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[clears throat]
>> All right. Any additions to the agenda
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tonight, Nick?
>> Uh, no additions tonight, acting mayor.
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» All right. Seeing there's no additions,
we'll look for a motion to approve the
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agenda as presented.
>> Motion second.
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» All in favor?
>> I. [clears throat]
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» Motion passes 40.
Now we'll open up for public comment if
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anybody wants to come forward and has
something to say.
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» Good evening everyone.
>> Good evening.
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» My name is Kyle Coons. uh live at 4
street 324 street northeast mayor
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Minnesota lived there 10 years almost 11
uh previous public works supervisor for
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12 years I am here just to say thank you
to you all for the generos
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[clears throat] offer to come back I'm I
don't know why I'm getting choked up but
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I'm getting choked up but uh the
generous offer to come back I truly
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appreciate it I appreciate everybody's
this staff public works all the support
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I've gotten across the community to come
back It's truly mean meant a lot and I
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I'm just here to simply say thank you in
person. I hope you all received my thank
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you letter as well.
>> Letter was great.
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» Um when I left mayor I wasn't
disgruntled by any means. I wasn't upset
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or dissatisfied with the job in any way.
I was just simply uh presented or
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blessed with another opportunity that I
wanted to explore at the time. So coming
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back and with that the opportunity to
come back to a job I did love uh was
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exciting. So, I definitely considered
the offer very thoroughly and I just
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wanted to let you all know that I really
did and um I'm here in the meantime to
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help Nick and the public works crew as
much as I can while they do you guys do
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search for your next public works
supervisor and I will always be um just
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a phone call away for mayor whether I'm
on the payroll at mayor or I'm not. So,
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I just want to see mayor succeed and um
be successful
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» from here on out. So that's all I have.
Kept it short and sweet, less than five
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minutes. So, um, thank you all very much
again.
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» Thank you.
>> I just want you all to know that.
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» Appreciate you, Kyle. Perfect. Thank
you. Thank you, Kyle.
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» Seeing as that's the only member in our
audience, we will close public comment
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and move to consent agenda. Anything
that needs to be pulled for further
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discussion?
[clears throat]
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» Nope. Hearing none, I'll look for a
motion to approve the consent agenda.
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» Motion
>> second.
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» All in favor?
>> I.
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» Motion carries. 40. On to business
items.
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Uh 8. Consider adoption of ordinance 251
amending the zoning code.
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» Thank you, acting mayor. Uh we have the
zoning code coming back before us. We
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had moved for its introduction. uh a
handful of meetings ago, there were some
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questions from the city council in the
interim. Uh city planner John Anderson
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uh included a memo in this packet which
I believe addressed those questions uh
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that the council's acting and he is here
to take any questions or go over any
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concerns with [clears throat] any parts
of the code. John, anything you'd like
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to add?
>> Yeah, so we did uh look at the zoning
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ordinance been going over for about the
last year or so uh with the planning
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commission uh back in January 6th. The
planning commission actually recommended
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4 to zero to recommend approval of the
current ordinance update for the zoning
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ordinance. And at the council meeting a
couple meetings ago, um there was some
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discussion on a couple specific
questions. I have since put together a
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memo uh for you guys and I'll just kind
of page through those items that are
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listed on there. Um all this was talked
at great length at the planning
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commission meeting and just kind of give
an update here to the city council and
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I'll just kind of start going down the
list. And if anyone has any questions,
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let me know. or if there anything else
that's I didn't list that you want to
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answer or a question on just you know
we'll go through that. Um but first of
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all we you know some of the things we
did you know we did a lot of updating to
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the ordinance itself which there's a lot
of inconsistencies in the previous one
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or the current one I guess right now
where one chapter didn't match or with
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the other chapter and we're just trying
to get all that to to match. Um so
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basically [clears throat]
we amended the definition. This is
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number one on the list uh of the animals
to match chapter 92 which is another
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section of the city code. So we have two
different sections of code that had
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definitions of the same thing but they
weren't the same. So we basically
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amended that. And there's a few other
instances like this where we kind of
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added the definition and made things you
know to match say subdivision ordinance
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language or whatever just so we have
consistency and there's no um things
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that we're unclear about. So number two
in section 15207
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single family dwelling requirements. All
single family dwelling unit um single
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family detached units were required to
have two tall uh two stall attached
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garage. And we did have some of those
requirements previously but it was kind
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of not consistent across each of the
districts. So now we are requiring that
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for all these type of single family
dwellings to have that two two stall
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attached garage. um section 152050
non-conforming building structures and
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uses. Uh the language was added to allow
for an additional extension of 180 days
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for applicant to get a building permit
if the structure is destroyed. So this
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was brought up in the planning
commission as a specific question. Right
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now, the current uh state statutes allow
that if a house gets burned down, let's
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say by a fire or tornado or something of
that nature, that they have up to six
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months if it's a non-conforming
structure to apply for and get a
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building permit to rebuild that exact
same structure in the same footprint
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that was there previously. What this
language allows for is, you know,
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sometimes through insurance or whatever
reason it's winter time that six months
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may come and they need an extra six
months. So, they have the ability to ask
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for an extension to grant another six
months. um to do that. You know, it's
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not a big deal and there's not a lot of
these instances that actually occur
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where it's an issue, but you know, it
has happened in places before. So, we
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added that language. Section 152051,
home occupations. Home offices were
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added to the allowed uses and daycarees
were added as an accessory use. And we
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kind of updated that overall section
just to clarify it a little bit, but
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there was some things like the home
offices that, you know, somebody just
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works out of an office at home. A lot of
times it's not considered that, but we
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did allow that just so there was clarity
and, you know, no questions down the
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road. Um, section [clears throat]
152052, temporary structures. Uh, a site
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plan review was required for temporary
structures instead of an administrative
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use permit um to be consistent with
other lang uh language in the zoning
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ordinance. So, this was kind of an
update. You know, if you have a
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temporary structure, uh sometimes
they'll do that as like a work trailer
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for a large construction project, for
instance. I know when the mayor Luan
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High School built I believe they had a
work trailer out there if I recall
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correctly and uh you know this would
just show hey here's where the the
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trailer would be here's where potential
driveways parking things like that would
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be you know that's what that site plan
review would do for you. So um an
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institutional definition was actually
added to the definition section. We did
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have institutional uses and a public
institutional district. We just added
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that definition there so we everyone
knows truly what an institutional use is
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which is basically government buildings
uh potentially schools you know things
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of that nature. So uh recreational
facilities were exempted from screening
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requirements under section 15255
screening. This was something that was
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also requested specifically in the
planning commission um that when you
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have screening requirements in certain
districts that are adjacent to
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residential districts. Uh a recreational
facility for instance um could be a
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ballpark or or you know a park or you
know something of that nature and to
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screen an entire park sometimes is not
needed. Now, obviously, uh if you're
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looking at this through a site plan
review, uh there is the ability to add
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potentially screening in some areas. You
know, they don't have ballfield lights
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shining right into somebody's house or
something like that. So, that can be
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looked at, but it's not a specific
requirement as it previously was. Um
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uses across the street from residential
properties were also exempted uh from
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screening. So, right now, that was a
clarification the planning commission
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asked for as well. So, if you have say a
business or an industrial use on one
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side of the street and then you got
highway uh trunk highway 25, let's say
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down by the Shimcore area and they have
houses on the other side there, we're
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not requiring those businesses to fully
screen trunk highway 25 because the
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residential use is across the street.
So, the Dollar General that's in place,
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you know, we do you want them to really
fully screen their, you know, business
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when they're on the highway like that.
So, it it basically just clarified that
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to make sure. Now, if it's adjacent to
it where it backs right up to that
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property, there is screening
requirements there, but not across the
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street like that. Um, maximum height
requirement for accessory structures and
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residential districts was currently 17
feet. And over the last couple years,
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we've had a handful of uh variance
requests for a larger structure to be
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like 20t tall. So, we moved that from
17t to 20 feet just because there has
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been a few of those here recently where
we've gone through that process. Now in
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some of those cases they would not need
a variance. They could just get the
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building permit because it meets the 20
foot requirement. I think one of those
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was actually 22 or 21 feet. You know
they still need to come forward but you
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know we picked 20 at the planning
commission. So that's where it's at. We
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are amending that. So structures can be
a little bit taller moving forward. Um
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the flood plane management overlay
district uh which is currently a
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separate chapter um in the zoning
ordinance or in the the code I should
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say. Uh technically this is an overlay
district. is the zoning um issue. So, we
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basically took the language from that
previous chapter, incorporated into the
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new zoning ordinance update, and now
it's in a correct chapter where it
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should be. So, it's more of an
incorporation. We didn't really amend
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any language other than some specific
things where it address current, you
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know, or ordinances and things like
that. So, um under the landscaping
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requirements in section 152056,
motor vehicle sales were exempted from
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having trees planted around along the
property line. This was also something
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discussed at the planning commission to
do with bird droppings. Um, you don't
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want to have a new motor vehicle
district, you know, selling cars and you
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got trees above it. So, that was the one
item that got exempted there. So,
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something's uh different from the
previous ordinance or the current
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ordinance, I should say. Uh, landscaped
islands were also removed as a
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requirement for off- streetet parking
lots in some instances. There's still
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some specifics in there that would
require that, but overall I think there
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was some specific language about you had
to have a certain amount of landscape
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islands for every amount of parking
spaces, we kind of adjusted that
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language, kind of lessened that
requirement. Um, off- street parking
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requirements [clears throat]
were revised and uh while a lot of the
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uses uh in off- streetet parking did not
change, some did. Uh, for instance, one
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that came up that we've talked about, I
know the mayor had also specifically
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asked me about this one, was retail uses
went from six stalls per thousand to
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five stalls. And that was something we
looked at. Uh, there's a few other ones
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that we kind of adjusted slightly. For
instance, restaurants um went to more of
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a one per every 40 square feet versus a
one per three seats. Um, office uh was
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one per 200. uh we basically kind of
adjusted how we calculate it based you
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know now it used to be five per thousand
or six per thousand we're just saying
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one for every 200 square feet because
sometimes you get these odd numbers on
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the other way it was calculated um so
that that was the big one but we did
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reduce that down because I know once
again the Dollar General uh there was a
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um variance request for too many stalls
I know the uh Mexican restaurant had one
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a few years back as well um that was
kind of an existing situation it's a
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little bit different situation than the
Dollar General but we did reduce it down
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to be more consistent with some other
communities. Um there was some thought
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process of going maybe a little less,
but when you start comparing it, there
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isn't too many places that go less. And
the reason you look at that is let's say
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in two years Dollar General goes out of
business and a new store comes in that
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generates a lot more traffic. You don't
want to reduce it so much that a new
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business that could potentially take
over that structure doesn't have enough
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parking. So we think we're still covered
this way, but yet there is given a
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little bit of a break. Now there may
still may be a variance request at some
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point in the future but you have to take
them one at a time as I come I guess if
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that is the uh request. So um under sign
regulations the landscaping requirement
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around the base of freestanding signs
was removed. Right now you have to put a
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certain amount of landscaping per square
footage. That was just basically removed
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because it hasn't always been followed
and something we just felt was
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necessarily not needed. Now somebody
wants to do it they can. um language was
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added to the discussion [clears throat]
to allowed uh for River Rock to be used
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for a semi-improved parking pad. And
obviously this is something that's been
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talked about over time at the city few
years back. There was actually uh quite
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a discussion on that. Um basically this
would be along the sideyard and the rear
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yard. The river rock uh shall contain a
sand base and edg the edge shall be
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delineated. This was added um into a
street parking and driveway section
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under parking pads and it was brought up
uh to leave it uh leave the language in
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the text. Uh this is adding the river
rock and could be discussed at a later
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date. I know the planning commission did
have some discussion on it. Ultimately,
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it was approved with that text in there.
Uh this is something you could discuss
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here tonight. Um it was not discussed
any specifically further at the public
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hearing and was like I said recommended
for approval. So, that's one that was
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addressed uh currently and prior to the
previous ordinance um update. It was
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always required to be paved for that uh
parking pad. So, um this would be
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something that' be a little different
from that. Uh so, it's definitely
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something to keep uh to discuss or look
at. Uh storage containers or
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[clears throat] land seat containers is
a definition we came up with, which
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currently are allowed in the city in
certain districts and instances, but
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they do have to be 100% screened. Uh
this was looked at a couple years ago
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and it was decided to be put on hold
until we did the zoning orance update.
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So we went through this at the planning
commission and uh basically
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[clears throat] came up with the
language that was kind of previously
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drafted that never was officially
adopted and we kind of went with that
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for the most part. Um basically
[clears throat] it has to meet accessory
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building requirements. Shall only be
located in the rear yard of the lot or
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the sideyard no closer to the front than
the front of the building. Um and uh
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basically it shall not be allowed in
required parking spaces and it shall
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only allow three per property. Um so
each property is allowed up to three.
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Now I know there's a few instances in
the city that have maybe more than
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three. I know there's one over here that
they have just three. If they do have
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more currently they're grandfathered in.
Now the bigger thing is the the
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screening and things like that. So there
was definitely the current ordinance
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allows you know requires it or allows it
but requires screening. So that does
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have to be, you know, something that
looked at. I think we had some specific
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language that was added in there, uh,
due to, you know, I think there's some
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paint color things you can do with it.
Um, potentially some screening,
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different things. So, so we do have that
language in there. We did clarify it
[15:39]
from what it previously is. Um, it was
something that's come up over the last
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few years. And really, we're not trying
to outlaw this or anything because it is
[15:47]
currently allowed. We're just trying to
put specific rules in place so somebody
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doesn't take advantage of that down the
road. So, uh, tree preservation
[15:55]
standards were added to the landscaping
section, which is 152056.
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Uh, basically what this is is if you had
say a 40 acre parcel and it was all
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wooded right now, the developer could
literally come in and clear cut the
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entire 40 acres and develop it and there
really is no specific limitations or
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requirements to uh replant trees. Now,
we do have uh specific requirements to
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plant, you know, trees per lot as the
house gets built, but there's nothing in
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trying to keep rear yard trees or buffer
trees or anything like that. So, what
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this does, it [clears throat] came up
with a um allowable um you you figure
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out the caliper inches, which is pretty,
you know, just figure the significant
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trees what the caliper per inch is. You
can you can remove up to 40% of the
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total caliper inches. So let's say you
have a thousand caliper inches, you can
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remove up the you know basically 400
inches which you know you might have
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some trees are 20 some are 30 whatever
and then after that you have to start
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replacing trees on a on a schedule which
is at a rate of 0.5 for every one inch
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removed. Um so that's for a new
development if somebody's doing a
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residential development. If they don't
move it remove any trees or remove less
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than that they're not legally required
to plant them. If they remove say 70% of
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the trees, they have to take that 30%
over over that number, figure out that
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number and then find a place on that
property to replant the trees. So
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landscaping plan would show where those
trees go. A lot of times they'll try to
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buffer, you know, busier roadways or,
you know, back, you know, so people are
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looking right into somebody else's house
or neighboring properties, things like
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that. So, you know, it's going to be
different in every case, but it gives
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the city the ability to do that. Uh the
tree replacement requirement for uh say
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a business or a homeowner is 30%. So
let's say somebody owned just one
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individual lot and it had 20 trees on
there. They don't want to just come in
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and clear cut 20 trees. They can remove
up to 30% of them before they're
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required to replace. But so we did have
a different percent there, but same same
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pro um process of how to how to
calculate it. Um a new uh I1 light
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industrial district was also added to
the zoning ordinance. Uh basically we've
[17:55]
had we've talked about this for a while
now. It was actually in the the most
[17:58]
recent comp plan update in 2020. It was
recommended to add a new industrial
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district. And for instance, this would
be potentially property east of the
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Shimcore industrial area. Uh and this
would be a true industrial district
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where right now we have a commercial
industrial district. So allows for you
[18:13]
know a use like Casey's General Store to
go in with adjacent industrial type
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properties. This would be more of a
district that would be specific in
[18:20]
district uh industrial in nature and
could allow some heavier type industrial
[18:24]
uses. When I say heavy, I don't mean
major factories, but I mean more of a
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true industrial type use, you know, like
business park type structures, things
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like that. So, um this district was
added um in addition to the C1
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commercial industrial district and we
still have our typical um commercial
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districts as well. Uh there was also a
new residential district was added and
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I'll kind of go through all these
districts here in just a second, but we
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currently have uh three zoning uh
districts in the residential districts
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in the city. The R1, the R2, the R3, and
there's kind of a lot of carryover from
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district as district. And by adding this
fourth one, it kind of separates uses a
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little bit more. So, you know, in some
cases, you could have single family home
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next to apartments, next to town homes,
all being in the same district. And what
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we did here is with the R1, we made that
the true single family district. Only
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single family is allowed in that
district. We have specific lot sizes
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that are allowed. Then we went to the
two R2, which is a single and two
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family. You'll see a lot of smaller
single family lots in here and also
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allows for like a duplex type structure.
And um there's also uh like you know
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like smaller villa type product that
could potentially then we move up to the
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R3 which is more of a multifamily where
you'd have potentially town houses. Uh
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you could go down to an R like a a twin
home as well but it has the ability to
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get a little bit more density a little
bit higher um intensity of the
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residential use. And then your R4
district which is your multifamily is
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like your apartments um senior housing
condominiums things of that nature. So
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you kind of gradually step up the uh
density of the units and it separates
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that out. And we have some specifics and
you know lot sizes. We kept the R1 very
[20:05]
similar to what it is now. Um except
that we did move um uh these the width
[20:10]
back to 75 ft. Currently was 85. There's
never been an 85 foot lot plat actually
[20:17]
platted in the city since that's been
changed. uh everything that previously
[20:21]
was developed in the early 2000s when
they're at 75 and then they changed the
[20:25]
zoning. The recession hit, nothing ever
got readopted. As developments have
[20:29]
happened, they've gone back to the
previous uh layouts which were plumary
[20:33]
platted at one time. Cold Water Crossing
had it hidden creek did. Fieldstone has
[20:37]
that ability and those were all designed
at 75 ft before that change was made.
[20:41]
And if we keep going back to that, why
don't we just change the zoning district
[20:44]
back to that, which everybody seems to
be okay with. And you know, it it fits
[20:48]
and and works. So, um, this last section
here is basically,
[20:54]
uh, just a list of all the districts
themselves. And I don't really need to
[20:57]
go through them, but on on the list in
your thing, I put the the purpose or the
[21:02]
general intent of each district there
is. So, there's a A1 agricultural, which
[21:05]
is kind of the area in the northeast
part of the city. It's kind of looked at
[21:08]
as a um uh area that can remain
agricultural but as long-term plan for
[21:14]
future growth. So we there's some limits
on what you can develop out there that
[21:18]
to you know preserve that future growth
area. I kind of went through the R1
[21:22]
through R4 districts. So I won't really
touch on them. Then we got the C1
[21:26]
highway business district uh C2 central
business district. Uh these are the
[21:31]
basically the same. There's some chain
tweaks in there here and there. We you
[21:34]
know cleaned up some of the language. Um
but you know the C1 highway um was
[21:38]
general commerce. So we kind of changed
that. It's just so everyone understands
[21:41]
what general commerce means. It's really
more of a highway type of business which
[21:45]
is pretty typical in a lot of
communities when they call that general
[21:48]
commerce that technically could be a
downtown business too. So we kind of
[21:52]
called them out what we're designing
for. Uh the C1 commercial industrial we
[21:56]
kind of touched on that and the I1 light
industrial. Then the last one is that
[21:59]
public institutional district and that's
like I said for most of the schools, the
[22:03]
churches, the public building, city hall
here, you know, stuff like that. It has
[22:07]
specific requirements in that. So alto
together um those are some of the big
[22:12]
items that we really touched on and went
through and you know had some you know
[22:15]
real discussions at the the planning
commission meeting. Um like I said if
[22:19]
there's anything specific that you do
want to talk about or you look up or
[22:22]
other things that I may not have touched
on here, just let me know. Otherwise,
[22:27]
we're at a point where the ordinance is
ready for adoption and um
[22:32]
that's where we're at.
>> Um I just had a couple of questions.
[22:36]
» Okay.
>> Um so you did answer the question about
[22:40]
grandfathering of the containers,
>> just the number, but there's still
[22:45]
because previously we the color and the
>> screening is required for those because
[22:52]
that was in the ordinance prior.
>> Correct.
[22:54]
» Okay.
But just the number if they have four,
[22:58]
they're grandfathered in. Now, do we
take inventory of that or like is it
[23:03]
more just I mean, not that I don't need
to get into everybody's business, but
[23:08]
» we have looked at aerial photos to try
to count them in the past. I know. Um,
[23:13]
yeah. I mean, somebody could go out
there tomorrow and count the numbers and
[23:16]
if you know, there's not many of them
and people know where they are.
[23:19]
» I'm just curious like how do you even
like
[23:21]
» Yeah. You know,
>> ordinance enforcement is typically on a
[23:25]
reactive basis versus a proactive basis.
So, it would come as a
[23:29]
» hey, I noticed they have six containers
out there where they used to have four.
[23:33]
What is the city going to do about this
versus us actively sending out people to
[23:38]
» right
>> police it?
[23:40]
» Yeah. And I'm not saying that, but like
I do know that there isn't any screening
[23:44]
on some. So, is it just wait till
somebody complains about it and then we
[23:50]
have Okay,
>> that's kind of where it is. I mean, you
[23:53]
know,
[snorts]
[23:55]
» yeah, you know, some most of them are in
like an industrial type use area and
[24:00]
it's not like you got people living
there looking at every day out their
[24:02]
kitchen windows. So, it's
>> not the end of the world. So, it's if
[24:06]
nobody's really worried about it.
>> Well, and even the ones that have it,
[24:10]
it's not like they're in the front
[clears throat] front of the business or
[24:13]
out wide open. I am not complaining
about it. I was just trying to
[24:16]
understand.
>> Right.
[24:18]
» Sure.
>> The reason we talked about a number is
[24:20]
you know what what if somebody bought a
parcel and all a sudden they had a
[24:23]
hundred of them out there.
>> Yeah.
[24:25]
» There would be nothing to stop that if
they met the other requirements and I
[24:28]
don't think that's you know the intent
of what the city wanted. So that's you
[24:31]
know we talked at length about the
number. I think at one time somebody was
[24:34]
saying five and somebody was all sorts
of numbers were being thrown out there
[24:38]
and ultimately they agreed on three at
the planning commission.
[24:41]
» Yeah. I mean I'm fine.
I mean, if it really became an issue
[24:45]
again, like there can be a revisions of
things if it starts to be a thing that
[24:51]
people are like, I really need more and
why it makes sense.
[24:57]
» Um, and then my last one was, can you
just explain a little bit more about the
[25:01]
the parking pad and the river rock that
you just mentioned? Like, we can have a
[25:06]
discussion. You're adding
[clears throat]
[25:07]
» you're adding this but we could have a
>> another me like I'm a little confused.
[25:13]
» If you remember I don't know what is it
about four or five days ago we had the
[25:16]
or we had the
>> ordinance update and really what it was
[25:20]
it was more of a
>> um cleaning up of it because it allow it
[25:24]
required paving at that time as well.
But we kind of put language at the city
[25:28]
council did it that here's more specific
language. We came up with the parking
[25:32]
pad language where it was truly defined
in the ordinance and basically the
[25:37]
discussion's always been about these
parking pads. Do we need them paved or
[25:41]
can they be gravel? Um the planning
commission talked about having, you
[25:45]
know, river rock and this was a pretty
good discussion. You know, I will admit
[25:49]
some members were fine with it and one
member said he would just rather keep it
[25:53]
paved. Ultimately, what they approved
was to allow for the river rock on the
[25:57]
side or the rear yard with delineated
edging and it had to be river rock with
[26:01]
sand base so it doesn't get compressed
down because if it's class 5 gravel and
[26:05]
that gets compacted, it's really an
impervious surface. Now, I still
[26:09]
question, I'm not an engineer, but I
still question if the river rock gets
[26:12]
compacted too, that can become an
impervious surface as well. So, it just
[26:16]
depends how it gets maintained because
over time that does tend to silt in and
[26:20]
you know, our weeds going to grow up in
it and all sorts of different things.
[26:22]
So, the language right now would change
what's currently been there and
[26:27]
previously been there before the last
update or amended amendment um by
[26:31]
allowing this River Rock type of parking
pad on the side of a garage, for
[26:35]
instance. Now, obviously, it still has
to meet setbacks and drainage and all
[26:39]
that. And I'll be honest, there are some
lots that don't have enough room on the
[26:43]
side of garage to fit one in. Just the
way that lot is. It is what it is on
[26:47]
those. So, we've had a few instances
over the years where somebody asked for
[26:50]
it and they only got six feet. Well, you
can't put one in six feet,
[26:54]
» right?
>> So, so yeah. So, I guess it's um this
[26:58]
was definitely one of the bigger items
that was discussed.
[27:00]
» Yeah.
>> That that clarifies it. No, I remember
[27:03]
those conversations.
[27:09]
» And there was at the last one, which
we've kind of carried over there, we
[27:12]
added, you know, a driveway definition.
We added, you know, what was specific
[27:16]
yard. Um, I think it was improved,
semi-improved, and non-improved
[27:20]
surfaces. Where not improved would be
like grass, and semi-improved would be
[27:24]
like gravel. And the improved would be
like, you know, black top or concrete or
[27:27]
something. So, so that's all still in
there. Just it's allowing a technically
[27:31]
a semi-improved specific surface on the
side or rear.
[27:35]
» Okay,
perfect. Thank you. That was all the
[27:39]
questions I had.
>> Any other questions?
[27:45]
Then I'll look for a motion to consider
the adoption of ordinance 251 amending
[27:51]
the zoning code.
>> Motion second.
[27:55]
» We have a motion and a second. All in
favor?
[27:58]
» I.
>> Motion carries 40. Thank you, John. No
[28:02]
problem.
>> Hard work.
[28:03]
» Lot of work. Yeah,
>> I know. Now we're not going to see you
[28:06]
anymore.
>> Yeah. Well, I've been helping out on,
[28:09]
you know, one other site here and who
knows, I could still be back. So, as
[28:12]
things come up, people still call me
once in a while about stuff. So,
[28:16]
» I got what, 17, 18 years worth of
knowledge.
[28:19]
» Yeah.
>> You're still going to be on speed dial
[28:22]
for some people.
>> Yeah. Well, kind of like Kyle, I'm just
[28:24]
a phone call away, I guess. So, yeah. I
mean,
[28:26]
» Municipal Development Group and Holly is
still going to be, you know, here and I
[28:30]
work with her and she's from our firm.
So, I mean, if she ever has questions,
[28:34]
she's calls me, too. So,
>> yeah. Perfect. Yeah. Nice.
[28:38]
» Excellent. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[28:40]
» All right. Next business item.
>> Consider approval of quote for the 2026
[28:46]
sewer jetting services with overline and
sun.
[28:51]
Thank you, Chad. Uh we have the quote
for uh sewer jetting services. So each
[28:56]
year uh we do a third of the town for
sewer cleaning and this keeps our mains
[29:01]
nice and clean so we don't have sewer
backup issues. Again, we do one-third
[29:04]
every year. And then every other cycle
we do televising services with that. So
[29:10]
the te so the jetting cleans the pipe
and then every other cycle so once every
[29:14]
six years we get a televised that makes
that uh lets us know how the condition
[29:18]
of the pipes are doing if we have any
sags or breaks or things that we need to
[29:22]
take a look at as we continue on in the
future. This is uh the quote is from
[29:26]
overline and sun. We only got one quote
because we get uh in years past we have
[29:30]
had multiple quotes and they're always
the lowest and they do a fantastic job
[29:35]
and the per linear foot that they are
charging us is the exact same rate as it
[29:39]
was in 2025.
So this area will uh take care of the in
[29:44]
Hidden Creek and Cold Water Crossing
areas as part of our plan service.
[29:51]
» Any questions or discussion?
Hearing none, I'll look for a motion to
[29:57]
approve the quote from Overline and Sun
Sewer Jetting Services in the amount of
[30:04]
$24,760.
[30:07]
» Motion second.
>> All those all those in favor?
[30:13]
» I
>> I
[30:14]
» All oppose. Motion carries. 4 Z.
Moving on to council report. Sam,
[30:22]
anything?
>> I don't have anything.
[30:23]
» Emily? Nope.
>> Nikki.
[30:25]
» Nope.
>> And I have had no other meetings. So I
[30:30]
guess I'll look for a motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion.
[30:33]
» Second.
>> All those in favor?
[30:35]
» I.
>> Motion carries. We are adjourned.
[30:39]
» Nice.
>> Thank you.
[30:40]
» Thank you for making the zoning stuff
>> easier.
[30:44]
» Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot
>> because when I when I was going through
[30:47]
it, I was like, "Oh, this is going to be
a long meeting." [laughter]
[30:50]
» Well, I mean, I read your memo.
>> Yeah. And that was super