Merriam City Council Meeting: August 24, 2026

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[0:27] Everybody knows.
[0:55] Which also means I think.
[1:32] Okay, we'll go ahead and call tonight's meeting to order. If you will, please
[1:35] stand for the pledge of >> allegiance.
[1:38] Pledge >> allegiance to the flag of the United
[1:41] States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under
[1:46] God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
[1:55] » Roll call. Madam clerk, >> Mayor Pape
[1:57] » here. >> Council member Chevetto
[2:00] » here. >> Council member Kosmire
[2:03] » here. >> Council member Hans
[2:06] » here. >> Council member Caldwell
[2:08] » here. >> Council member Lehe
[2:11] » here. >> Council member Ryder
[2:14] » here. >> Council member Silvers
[2:17] » here. >> Council member Yadri
[2:20] » here. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, next item up
[2:24] this evening is public items. Uh, members of the public are encouraged to
[2:27] use this time to make comments about matters directly related to city
[2:30] programs and services. Comments related to a matter or topic in the city council
[2:34] agenda that is the subject of a public hearing should be priorited during the
[2:38] scheduled public hearing and not during the public comment period. Please note,
[2:42] individuals making public comments will be limited to three minutes. The city
[2:44] reserves right to refuse public comments which are inconsistent with the
[2:48] parameters established with the governing body rules of procedures. We
[2:51] did have a signup sheet here which is blank. I don't know if you might was
[2:55] unaware that was out there, but if anyone out there would like to come
[2:58] forward to the podium and make a public comment, please do so at this time. Just
[3:03] come forward, sir. Name and address for the record.
[3:08] » Billy Cron, 6633 Wet Street. Uh, stop raising our taxes and telling us you're
[3:13] not. Um, the mill rate is a matter of deception. Uh, I don't appreciate it.
[3:17] I'll comment more later. Thank you. >> Okay. Is there anyone else that would
[3:21] like to come forward at this time? Oh, please, please come forward, ma'am. Give
[3:24] your name and address for the record. Thank you.
[3:30] » Hi, my name is Jean Stevens. My address is 10144 West 49th Place, Miriam,
[3:37] Kansas. Um, I have the same issue um about raising property taxes.
[3:45] four years in a row mine has been raised and I'm now a woman on fixed income
[3:52] after being retired. And what I'd like to say is that the more that you raise
[3:59] that, the more that you get rid of people that have been honest, wonderful
[4:03] citizens of Miriam and who have paid for their house and worked very hard to have
[4:10] that house and then to lose that house because the property tax is too high for
[4:15] them to keep up on um is is awful. It's not a way to treat senior citizens. um
[4:23] the rate of social security is not keeping up with how much property tax is
[4:28] being raised. And also another thing, the more that you raise the property
[4:33] tax, and I want to remind everybody of this, the more that you raise that,
[4:38] people are trying to hold on to their house, so they're going to try to pay
[4:42] that personal property tax, but they won't have money to keep up their
[4:46] houses. So, you're going to have blight on these houses because people are so
[4:51] busy trying to save to pay for their personal property tax that they let
[4:55] things go that shouldn't be neglected in these houses. And you don't want that to
[5:01] happen to these beautiful neighborhoods in our in our community. [snorts] So,
[5:06] those are the main things. Also, I agree with that guy. We have been told that we
[5:12] do not have them raised and yet every single year for the last at least four
[5:18] years and maybe higher maybe more than that. Time goes by fast. Um I have had a
[5:24] raise on mine every single year. And when I first moved to Miriam 27 years
[5:30] ago, there'd be four sometimes five years before a raise. So, um, it's
[5:37] really ridiculous how much it's going up now. Thank you.
[5:41] » Come forward. Is there anyone else that would like to come forward at this time?
[5:46] » Okay, I see no one else coming forward. I'll close out the public portion of the
[5:50] meeting. Uh, next item up is the consent agenda. All items listed under this
[5:54] heading are considered to be routine by the city council, may be enacted by one
[5:58] motion. There be no separate discussion of these items as council members so
[6:01] request in which case that I'm be removed consent agenda and considered
[6:04] separately. We do have two items this evening. Does anybody wish to have one
[6:07] of those removed that way? >> Okay. I would entertain a motion then.
[6:14] Okay. Mr. Silvers. >> Mr. Mayor. I'd like to move that the
[6:17] council approve consent agenda items number one and two.
[6:20] » Okay. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Go ahead. Meta.
[6:24] » Mr. Mayor, a second. >> Madam clerk, we have a motion. A second.
[6:27] Council member Shaveetta. >> I.
[6:30] » Council member Kosmire. >> I.
[6:32] » Council member Hans. >> I.
[6:34] » Council member Caldwell. >> I.
[6:37] » Council member Lehei. >> I.
[6:39] » Council member Ryder. >> I.
[6:42] » Council member Silvers. >> I.
[6:44] » Council member Yadri. >> I. Motion passes 80.
[6:49] » Thank you, Madame Clerk. Um, next item up this evening is the mayor's report.
[6:54] Um, I have a proclamation that I get to read this evening and I'm uh pleased to
[6:59] do so. I'm I'm always honored to be able to issue a proclamation, but this one's
[7:02] special to me uh because of the individual that it's uh it's it's for. I
[7:07] want [clears throat] to read a little bit about somebody that has devoted a
[7:11] lot of years, not just he but his entire family to the city of Mariam and um and
[7:17] that is chief one of our fire chiefs who was our volunteer division chief George
[7:24] Kendrick Mallerie. We always call him George but um our chief Mallerie. But a
[7:29] little bit about um Chief Mallerie and his family. Chief Chief Mallerie has
[7:33] passed away for those of you that aren't aware. Um, but he was born July 17th,
[7:38] 1942 and passed away July 3rd, 2026. He was born in Dayton, Ohio alongside his
[7:44] identical brother, uh, Steve Mallerie, which is sitting in the audience this
[7:48] evening, uh, moving to Mariam in the late 1940s. George would join alongside
[7:53] his father at the Mariam Fire Department as a volunteer fireman in 1960. George
[7:59] would serve the citizens of Mariam until the disbandment of the volunteers in
[8:02] 2013. His years of dedication and passion for the fire department made him
[8:06] truly a pillar of the Johnson County Fire Service. He become a mentor
[8:10] advocate for new members as they joined the department, making sure along the
[8:14] way that they knew how to be an aggressive firefighter and that the
[8:17] history that came with it. Uh me members of the family who also went on to be
[8:21] firefighters. George K. Maui senior, their father, uh Steve Maui, who I
[8:27] mentioned was a twin identical twin brother. Jeff Mauy, George's son. uh
[8:32] Michelle Mallerie, George's daughter, Heath Menchu, George's son-in-law. Uh
[8:38] those were all members of the Marryiam Fire Department, all volunteers with our
[8:42] organization. Alec Menchu, George's grandson, is currently an Altha Fire
[8:47] Department firefighter. And uh and Jillian Freeman, Georgia's
[8:51] granddaughter, currently works for the Kansas City, Kansas Fire Department. So,
[8:55] uh that whole family has served the community and communities for for many,
[8:59] many years. um or over 53. George also served his country in the United States
[9:04] Navy during the Cold War on the USS Enterprise. Uh George worked full-time
[9:09] away from his family in the firehouse as an airline mechanic for TWWA here in
[9:14] Kansas City where he retired with 40 years working in the airline fuel tanks.
[9:18] Uh George would marry Sharon, who's in the audience this evening with us in
[9:22] 1965, and they would have the two childrens, Jeff and Michelle. Uh George
[9:26] was a lifetime hot rodder and an active participant in local car shows and
[9:31] cruise nights in Mariam. His wife Sharon and him could be found with their custom
[9:35] 1941 Ford. Um and also Steve is a hot rider as well. The whole family is
[9:40] virtually. And there they've been at every car show that I can remember. I
[9:44] don't think they've missed one. Uh what what are we at 26 years this year?
[9:48] director of Stokum for 26 years. They've also been had that that passion and been
[9:54] been with Mariam. Um, you know, like I say, [clears throat]
[10:00] you know, 50 53 years, that's a that's a long time. I mean, I was when I came on
[10:04] as a volunteer in 1976, he already had 16 years as a volunteer on the fire
[10:09] department when I when I joined in 76. So, um, so I've known him virtually most
[10:14] of my life. Um, you know, over 50 years. the uh so anyway I have this
[10:19] proclamation that I'd like to read and then I will come forward and present
[10:22] that to the family in just a moment. So uh whereas [clears throat] the city has
[10:28] learned with profound sorrow of the passing of George K. married on July
[10:31] 3rd, 2026. And whereas George was a devoted public servant serving his
[10:36] country in the US Navy during the Cuban Missile Crisis and Cold War. And whereas
[10:40] George continued to serve his community as a volunteer firefighter and EMT with
[10:44] the city of Mariam for 53 and a half years, retiring as volunteer division
[10:49] chief. And whereas George, an avid car enthusiast and talented aviation
[10:53] mechanic, shared his passion and talents with others, helping to restore the
[10:57] classic cars. And whereas George and his twin brother Steve were often seen at
[11:01] local car gatherings and shows around the Kansas City area and rarely missed
[11:05] Miriam's Turkey Creek car show, proudly displaying his restored 1941 Ford coupe,
[11:10] winning the Mirror's Award in 2021. And whereas George will be remembered as a
[11:15] great storyteller, proud supporter of the firefighter community, and a fan of
[11:19] plaid shirts. And whereas the passing of George represents a great loss to all
[11:24] who had the privilege of knowing him. [clears throat] Excuse me. Now
[11:28] therefore, the city of Mariam would like to honor the memory of George K. Mary
[11:31] and extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to the Mallerie family
[11:34] during this time of morning. Respectfully submitted by the city of
[11:38] Marryiam, Kansas, Bob Mayor. So, uh anyway, I'd like to present this to uh
[11:43] to the Mauy family. If they just come forward, I'll I'll meet you down.
[12:04] together. Staying kind of close.
[12:22] » [snorts]
[12:29] » You roll in. >> Y
[12:50] » [laughter]
[13:10] » All good.
[13:13] » [applause]
[13:19] [applause]
[13:24] [applause] >> Thank you.
[13:47] Well, it's it's an honor to present that to you guys. Um, other things, I guess,
[13:53] as far as um I I saw somebody just walk in. I'd just like to acknowledge the two
[13:58] gentlemen in the back row there, the Beaver family. John and John were
[14:03] working and we're going to be presenting his Eagle Scout award some before too
[14:07] long. Anyway, that's that's coming. So, uh, thanks for coming. Okay. The, uh,
[14:15] other things, uh, I always like to give a little bit about what's been what I've
[14:18] done and what the council's members have been doing over the past couple weeks.
[14:22] Uh, so I'll cover that at this time. I and several council members got to join
[14:26] our city employees for the city selfie day, and we got to see the new drone in
[14:30] action. Um, I and a council member attended the gathering of residents in a
[14:34] block party that allowed Johnson County Commissioner Becky Fast to speak on
[14:37] county issues, allowed me to speak on what's happening in Mariam. And I can
[14:41] tell you there's a lots of excitement out there about Trader Joe's and allies,
[14:44] which at that time I couldn't tell when either was opening, but u September 2nd
[14:48] for Trader Joe's. Uh, I and several council members attended the downtown
[14:52] planning meeting. Uh, there was a lot of good discussions concerning what people
[14:55] would like to see downtown and basically three different options and what each
[14:59] option would allow us to do. Uh there's an online survey available that uh shows
[15:03] the three vision options and I encourage everyone to take the survey and give
[15:06] your feedback on what direction you believe the city should pursue. Uh I and
[15:10] a council member went with Miss Guard to develop tonight's agenda. I attended a
[15:14] Kansas legislative town hall meeting via Zoom. All of our northeast Johnson
[15:19] County representatives and senators gave updates on state issues. Uh several
[15:24] council members attended the IWPA, Inspiring Women in Public Administration
[15:28] Workshop. It's my understanding that was very informative and inspiring. Thank
[15:32] you for attending that. Uh I understand that Miss Shvetta has received a lot of
[15:36] positive affirmation on the city's direction on adding an additional
[15:40] crossing guard to our budget and I'd like to give you this opportunity to
[15:44] just tell us a little bit about what you've been hearing out there in the
[15:47] community. Yeah, I I just wanted you guys all to hear this like chief and
[15:50] everyone that worked on approving the additional crossing guards at Crest, not
[15:54] at Crescu, but at um Johnson Drive and Goodman and then Johnson Drive and
[15:58] Masten for Marian Park and Hawker Grove students. Um I've heard parents um at
[16:03] Cresview obviously, but some of them have Hawker Grove students as well and
[16:06] they've been excited to see students using that in the mornings. Um Amy, I'm
[16:10] sure you've been seen a lot of kids using it too and or students using it as
[16:14] well. And um I was at back to school night last week and I just heard from a
[16:18] lot of people that are just so happy that we can let our kids feel safe
[16:21] walking to school and have that independence. Um and personally my kids
[16:25] been using it and she's loving it. So um thank you guys and just thought that
[16:29] would be a fun thing to give you an update on.
[16:32] » Thank you for sharing. And then I understand a council member attended the
[16:35] Advent Health Championship PGA tournament at the Blue Hills Country
[16:39] Club. And would you like to speak to that miss? Yeah, I just want to
[16:42] congratulate Advent Health on hosting a wonderful event all week and through the
[16:47] weekend. And um surprisingly, not only was Advent Health a sponsor, but another
[16:52] Marry company, IBT Industrial Solutions had a spectator dent on uh the back
[16:59] nine. That was where the party was at for sure. So, um congratulations to the
[17:05] winner who shot 29 under and we had a wonderful week. Yeah.
[17:10] » Good. Thanks. for sure. Okay. Did I miss anything up for any other council
[17:13] members this evening that didn't know that might have went on the last two
[17:16] weeks? Okay. All right. Well, that will conclude the mayor's report then. Um,
[17:23] next item up, I guess, would be about public hearing. Okay. And have
[17:29] director at the podium.
[17:43] You're asking me.
[17:47] Thank you.
[17:54] [snorts] Good evening, Mayor and Council. So, uh,
[18:00] tonight we are going to be having our formal public hearing for both the 2027
[18:05] [clears throat] budget as well as the mill rate. Uh, this is statutoily
[18:09] required, but you do not have to vote on the actual budget tonight. If you do not
[18:13] want to, we do have to do the mill rate tonight, though.
[18:17] So, um, everything in front of you is the exact same as we have discussed.
[18:21] Nothing has changed. The only difference is that I have added those two funds
[18:25] that I promised you, uh, which is the new economic development fund and the
[18:29] town center C fund. Um, nothing else has changed from what we have talked about
[18:34] in the past couple of meetings, but I'm happy to get into anything specific if
[18:38] you need. Sorry, I'll talk.
[18:43] All right. So, for budget highlights, um, in front
[18:48] of you, this is going to be citywide for all funds. Capital expenditures are
[18:52] going to be our capital projects um and our equipment. And so that is going to
[18:57] be anything that is a major asset or piece of infrastructure. Um and non-
[19:04] capital expenditures are anything that supports our ongoing city operations and
[19:08] services. Um a lot of that is housed in the general fund, uh which is one of the
[19:13] things that you're voting on tonight because that is partially funded by
[19:16] property tax. The current budget supports uh services
[19:20] for our population of 11,560 which did slightly go up. Um and our
[19:27] primary focus for this year as you're all aware was to maintain existing
[19:31] services um but also try and continue our significant investment um in areas
[19:37] that whatever council deemed a priority.
[19:42] So our proposed uh mill rate is the same that ended up being assessed. If you
[19:47] remember last year, we believed we were doing 26.412.
[19:52] Uh what was actually assessed is that number in front of you. We have not
[19:55] asked for an increase or a decrease. Um however, this does obviously generate
[20:00] more revenue than the revenue neutral rate, which we'll get into a little bit
[20:03] more later. Um the budget, we did not ask for any new employees. Um there are
[20:09] no major changes to staffing levels. And then um we do continue to see a
[20:16] really diversified and strong revenue base. Our primary revenue here is our 1%
[20:22] city sales tax. Um which means that Mariam Maria is significantly more on
[20:28] its commercial activity um more than just our property taxes. And we are
[20:33] seeing unlike many of the other communities around us, our sales tax is
[20:37] staying very strong. Um, so a lot of our neighbors had to look at increasing
[20:42] either their mill levy or other fees um because they are anticipating a pullback
[20:49] on their sales tax revenue. Uh we are showing that we are very strong and I
[20:53] don't share these same concerns based on all of our projections. Um primarily
[20:57] that's due to our um car dealerships staying very strong and those uh sales
[21:03] not declining at all.
[21:10] So, we do have a large CIT or CIP uh investment for 2027. It is one of the
[21:17] heavier years that is in your plan that was in the packet and we've discussed.
[21:21] Um much of this is going to be funded by uh transfers in or fund balance. Some of
[21:28] it though we really try and emphasize our grants here uh or working with other
[21:33] government agencies. Um we also this is the area where our bond
[21:39] proceeds are housed and so all of our um different development that is coming and
[21:45] our expenses are coming from this fund as well. So if you look at that fund
[21:50] balance and you look at planned expenditures it does include restricted
[21:54] funds. Uh we cannot use bond proceeds for miscellaneous projects. It has to be
[21:59] restricted based on what was um approved by council.
[22:04] I will also say, you've already heard this, but our uh CIP this year does look
[22:09] heavier just because we had a lot of carryover projects. Um so you'll see
[22:12] many of them are from either the year before or we're seeing them from this
[22:17] year. We expect they will carry on to 2027
[22:25] for the general fund. Um again, there was no major shift in any of our
[22:29] revenues. Um we are expecting everything to stay very much on trend. Um
[22:36] some of our major sources include the community center, franchise fees, and
[22:39] other court fines. Uh the way that we try and project these different revenues
[22:45] is just based on historical collections and current trends. We do try and go
[22:49] more conservative. Um, which is why in a little bit we'll see that our fund
[22:53] balance typically increases year-over-year because we go more
[22:56] conservative on revenues and then we over project slightly on expenditures.
[23:01] Um, because we would rather at the end of the year see a little bit of extra
[23:04] versus the opposite
[23:10] for your general fund expenditures. Um, this shows a breakdown from all of our
[23:13] major uh general fund departments. Um, and so like I said, this is where prim
[23:19] primarily all of the property tax goes, which you'll be voting on tonight. Um,
[23:22] this is also where a large majority of our sales tax is housed. We do have a
[23:27] policy that dictates that some of our sales tax um can be transferred to other
[23:31] funds like the CIP. Um, and so that is done every year as well, which is in
[23:35] your packet under as a transfer.
[23:43] Okay. So now to discuss the mill rate in a little bit more detail. Um so
[23:50] like I said our mill rate is not projected to change. Obviously it may go
[23:55] down or up a little bit once final assessments come out but what we have
[23:59] presented to you is 26.406. Uh it is the same that was assessed for
[24:04] the year we're currently in. Um I will say that the difference between this and
[24:08] our revenue neutral rate which is 25.855 855 is a $1.75 per month or $21 a year
[24:16] for the average home in Marryiam. This is sub a substantial amount for some
[24:20] people. However, we have seen a huge increase in our property tax rebate
[24:24] program. Um and if you recall, we had to increase that by 20,000 from 50,000 to
[24:29] 70,000 um for 2027 because of its utilization uh and how successful that
[24:35] program has been. So I think there are a number of people that qualify that are
[24:39] utilizing that program. Um we do also u Miriam I'd like to point
[24:47] you to the bottom. We only get about 24% of what are on people's property tax
[24:51] bill and we cannot control how other agencies assess. So our portion of that
[24:55] is 24% and it would be at that mill rate
[25:02] for the average home. It's on here, but um if you were to go with this mill
[25:05] rate, it would be about $1,000 annually or $84 a month.
[25:14] This is going to be for all funds combined. Um so we'll talk a little bit
[25:18] about fund balance just because you do see that uh here revenues are a little
[25:22] less than expenditures. Um so our beginning fund balance is like I said
[25:26] this is for citywide uh is at about 66 million. This is from audit numbers. Um,
[25:32] and that includes estimates for 2026. Um, transfers are set in stone based on
[25:38] the budget you approve for 2026. Um, and so we have to guess with revenues and
[25:42] expenditures, but this is probably a pretty good ballpark. Um, everything on
[25:46] here is for 2027. So the revenues, like I said, we try and go more conservative.
[25:52] Um, and then for expenditures, we try and just add a tiny buffer in there. Um,
[25:58] but I will say that staff, everyone that's responsible for each line, we do
[26:02] I've explained our process in depth, but we um, whoever's responsible for every
[26:07] department and every accounting line, we go through and we audit every single one
[26:11] of those every single year since I've been here. Um, so it's something where
[26:15] we are trying to trim as much fat as possible. We're trying to make sure
[26:18] there's not excessive spending, that things are being charged where they're
[26:20] supposed to be, um, that we don't have something in one fund that should be in
[26:24] another. So that is something that we review with every uh responsible party
[26:28] throughout the year. Um and then I do our revenues on my own um based on the
[26:34] projections and historicals. Um but so when you see that we are going to be
[26:41] using a little bit of reserves at the end of the year. Typically historically
[26:46] here in Marryiam it is not always the case that we end up using as much fund
[26:50] balance as we do because of the philosophy of trying to be more
[26:53] conservative. Um, but the way that I try and budget things, um, is that
[27:01] looking at the need for all expenditures, making sure we do our
[27:04] assessment, and then the revenues. I like to do both of those independently
[27:07] of one another. Um, so we're not trying to make expenditures match revenues, and
[27:12] we're not trying to make revenues match expenditures because I think that's when
[27:14] you get in trouble at the end of the year. Um, instead, what we do is let
[27:19] those act independently of one another, see what we're left left with at the
[27:22] end. Um, then I start looking at our five-year projections and make sure that
[27:27] no fund that gets any of the general fund money, um, which also includes our
[27:32] CIP and our equipment reserve and our risk management fund, um, that all of
[27:37] those also have nice five-year projections and that none of them are
[27:41] dipping too low in fund balance or we're going to have to make an excessive
[27:44] transfer, not be able to do a project you may want to do. um and that anything
[27:48] that we have planned for is going to be able to be funded even five years down
[27:52] the road. So after we look at fund balances, uh council does have a policy
[27:57] with the general fund target of 30 to 35%. Um this includes the risk
[28:02] management fund which is also in your pocket. Uh we don't typically have to
[28:06] use too much. That's a safe safety net for insurance or other risk items. Um
[28:12] but just the general fund on its own after everything um even using a little
[28:17] bit of that reserve at the end for transfers out to the CIP and the
[28:20] equipment replacement fund um we are still at 35%. And then when you add in
[28:26] risk management we go up to 40%. So part of my assessment and why I feel
[28:31] comfortable using that fund balance a little bit um is because we're still
[28:36] well within our cushion range and well within what council and all the
[28:41] standards and guidelines that are out there that we're aware of uh say is a
[28:44] healthy reserve balance. So we're still at or exceeding that. Um and then also
[28:50] our other funds are in the same position. So, it's not just that we're
[28:54] worried about the general fund and how those fund balances may play out, but we
[28:58] really take into account all of the other funds as well. Um, so the CIP is
[29:02] funded through its full 5-year. Equipment is funded through its full
[29:05] tenyear. Um, effectively, we're able to do everything um service level that
[29:12] council uh has indicated they want, but also provide the same equipment and
[29:17] infrastructure that's needed to provide to do those services.
[29:24] So with that, I'm happy to go into detail with any specific fund or
[29:28] department um or revenue source. Uh but this evening, we are asking you to um
[29:35] consider after the public hearings the mill rate of 26.406.
[29:40] Uh what you would be indicating though is that you're okay approving the
[29:43] revenue neutral rate or sorry exceeding the revenue neutral rate. Um, and then
[29:47] if you're comfortable after that, uh, you would approve the budget which
[29:51] includes that rate. So, I'm happy to answer any questions that you might
[29:55] have. >> Any questions? Dr. B.
[30:01] » Go ahead, Mr. R. I know you already went over this, but can you
[30:08] » reiterate how it is possible to exceed the the revenue neutral rate and still
[30:14] keep taxes low or decrease them like we did a few years ago?
[30:19] » Yes. So, um, do you mean last year when we were able to lower the mill rate? Uh,
[30:24] so last year we were able to cut the mill rate by about a quarter. Um, I
[30:28] think it ended up being a little over a quarter. Um, this was primarily due to
[30:33] the fact that this year we lost both the courthouse sales tax, uh, which was the
[30:39] literal difference in us being able to stay with the revenue neutral rate at
[30:43] 400,000, um, or us having to keep our mill rate where we're at now. So the
[30:48] loss of that revenue source which goes directly into the general fund meant
[30:52] that in order to maintain our current service level and be able to provide the
[30:57] transfers that we needed to the general fund and the equipment reserve fund um
[31:02] we were not going to be able to go to revenue neutral rate at that point. So
[31:05] something would have to give because of the loss of that revenue source the
[31:08] 400,000 um in order for us to just maintain what the priorities seem to be.
[31:17] But if it was possible, we would have tried to lower again.
[31:21] » Yes, sir. >> Mr.
[31:23] » And just to clarify, losing that um courthouse
[31:27] » fee was something that came down from the county and it was not in our uh in
[31:34] any way our ability to make that decision.
[31:37] » Correct. And that's why a lot of our neighboring cities are also in the
[31:40] either the same position of not being able to lower or they're having to raise
[31:43] their mill rate this year. Um because we all lost pretty heavily on that revenue
[31:47] source.
[31:50] » This way. >> Okay. Go ahead. M
[31:54] » you didn't have the chart, but um usually like Miriam usually falls pretty
[31:58] low relative to our neighbors that our mill rate for our city is in the bottom
[32:04] third compared to the rest of the surrounding Johnson County.
[32:07] » Yes. and we're still at the same level. Um, if anyone from the public wants to
[32:10] know, we're about fifth to sixth on the peer rate and there's about 15 people on
[32:15] the chart that we have. So, it's all of our peers in the area. Um, some of them
[32:18] have fire that they have to account for, but our total is typically in the bottom
[32:22] third. You're correct. >> If I could [clears throat] also add,
[32:27] just cities in Kansas, as I'm sure you're aware, broken up into different
[32:31] classifications. First class cities, second class cities, third class cities.
[32:34] First class cities are your biggest ones. Second class cities are your
[32:36] middle, third class cities are your smallest cities. There are 96 uh
[32:41] secondass cities in the state of Kansas. If you take the total mill rate in the
[32:45] city in the city of Mariam, which is to say all of those taxing entities, Mariam
[32:50] is the lowest mill rate in the state of Kansas for secondass cities. So
[32:54] something we should be proud of. uh always looking to do more, always
[32:58] looking for opportunities to make sure that we are um making our uh residents
[33:04] put them in an affordable situation. We have grants as uh director Borth pointed
[33:08] out that we have lots of people are taking advantage of the opportunity that
[33:12] the council has provided to offset those uh property tax uh city property taxes
[33:18] where appropriate and were available. So, uh, just wanted to point that out
[33:21] that I think it is something that, uh, is that the fact that we're able to be
[33:26] the lowest total mill rate in the state of Kansas for secondass cities is
[33:29] something that I think we should acknowledge. But thank you.
[33:33] » And I will say that staff puts as much emphasis since I have started here on
[33:37] that priority of councils to lower the mill rate when possible.
[33:42] » So, if we would have been able to fit that into our proposed budget this year,
[33:45] it would have taken just as much of a precedent as the others.
[33:52] to school. >> Is it appropriate to say that the issues
[33:56] that caused this year were kind of one-time things and we should be back on
[34:01] track in future years of having >> 100%. Uh the one thing that we didn't
[34:06] discuss which I'm going to talk to you a little bit more about in my financial
[34:09] report later is the transient guest tax loss. Um because one of the other major
[34:13] impacts to this is we had to transfer out from the a different fund that does
[34:19] not usually use any sort of property tax. Uh we had to transfer out personnel
[34:23] and other costs into the general fund. So that was also a one-time. Hopefully
[34:28] we can transfer it back if transient guest tax uh gets back to where it
[34:31] should be. >> You know, the other side of the coin is
[34:34] we also want all of our residents home values to keep going up. So, it's kind
[34:41] of hard to keep all this in balance.
[34:46] » Any other questions? >> Okay. All right.
[34:50] » Thank you. >> With that, uh, where is there anyone
[34:53] from the audience that would like to come forward and speak to this issue?
[34:56] Please come forward, sir. Just for the record.
[34:59] » Oh, I didn't I guess I didn't say it when I hit the deal.
[35:04] » Officially, >> open the public hearing and please come
[35:06] forward. >> All right. Here we go. I'll be making my
[35:08] comments in the form of a proclamation of condemnation and demand for absolute
[35:11] property tax relief. Whereas the primary obligation of municipal leadership is to
[35:16] safeguard local neighborhoods and to ensure that long-term residents who
[35:19] simply desire to keep their homes and remain in their communities are not
[35:22] priced out by an escalating property tax burden. [snorts] And whereas the city
[35:27] generates exceptionally strong high-erforming sales tax revenues per
[35:30] square mile due to a dense commercial base providing unusually robust stream
[35:34] of nonresidential public revenue, the highest in Kansas per square mile. And
[35:40] whereas despite this massive sales tax advantage, Mayor Bob Pape and the city
[35:45] council, city administration, I should say, have repeatedly chosen to exceed
[35:48] the revenue neutral rate over the last four years, continually extracting
[35:52] additional advalorum property taxes from residential homeowners. And whereas the
[35:57] city, which pays no property taxes itself, has systematically and
[36:01] aggressively purchased taxpaying commercial properties, removing
[36:06] removing [clears throat] those parcels from the tax roles, and unfairly
[36:09] shifting the remaining municipal tax burden onto the shoulders of Miriam
[36:12] homeowners. And whereas while everyday residents manage rising valuations,
[36:17] expanding tax assessments, and a shrinking property tax base, municipal
[36:21] leadership has simultaneously approved over $100 million in tax subsidies,
[36:26] abatements, and public incentives to out of town development firms. And whereas
[36:30] these multi-million dollar handouts have been directly awarded to corporate
[36:34] entities and developers who standed who stood as Mayor Bob Pape's two largest
[36:39] campaign sponsors creating an undeniable conflict of interest and the clear
[36:42] appearance of a pay-to-play municipal system. Now therefore, be it resolved
[36:48] that we, the concerned taxpayers, do hereby issue this proclamation of
[36:52] condemnation against Bob Pap and the city administration for repeatedly
[36:55] exceeding the revenue neutral rate, redistributing the tax burden onto
[36:58] homeowners, and rewarding top campaign sponsors with public funds. Be it
[37:03] further resolved that we demand an immediate halt to city acquisitions of
[37:07] revenue generating generating commercial property that shift tax burdens onto
[37:11] residents along with an immediate cessation of exceeding the im the
[37:15] revenue neutral rate. And be it further resolved that city leadership
[37:19] immediately end all tax abatement and public subsidy programs granted to
[37:23] campaign donors and out of town development firms refocusing all local
[37:27] pol all uh all local tax policy toward long-term home preservation and and
[37:32] residential relief. Thank you. >> Okay. Would anyone else like to come
[37:37] forward at this time?
[37:41] » That's going to be a tough act to follow. Um,
[37:45] okay. To address Bruce Cadell, um,
[37:52] the problem may not be the 6.9. Maybe you can claim that our property tax has
[37:58] been 6.9, but every year when you get appraised for a higher amount on your
[38:04] home, then the property tax goes up. And every single year, my house goes up 20
[38:11] to 30,000. Okay, that means I cannot afford to do a new kitchen. My kitchen's
[38:16] from 1984 when the house was built because I cannot afford to redo my
[38:22] kitchen. But you guys think that my house is now worth 30,000, another
[38:28] 20,000, another 20,000. Every single year it jumps. It's not going to cuz I
[38:34] can't sell it for that. There's no way that somebody's going to come in and
[38:39] look at an unendated kitchen that's back from 1984 and pay $350,000
[38:45] for the house. They're not going to do it. So, that's the big problem.
[38:52] Having our property go up every single year by being appraised every single
[38:57] year is killing the Miriam residents and it's killing the houses because now
[39:03] we're not fixing the insides. Thank you. >> Anyone else like to come forward? Please
[39:10] come forward, sir.
[39:27] » And please give your name and address for the record. The other two had
[39:30] already given it earlier. So, >> my name is Steven Allen. The address is
[39:35] 5031 Farley Street. Um, in regards to the revenue neutral, um,
[39:43] I am not sure I quite understand why you cannot maintain revenue neutral based on
[39:51] uh, the reserve and the fact that if I Oops. If I look
[39:58] correctly at what the county sent to us, I'm sure probably all of you can see
[40:04] this document here. Uh there's at least $300,000 available
[40:10] uh to you as a result of not maintaining a revenue neutral stance. Now again,
[40:17] that's just based on what I'm reading here. I I understand there may be some
[40:22] things that uh I'm not possibly seeing. Uh but the point being is that um based
[40:31] on your reserves and the fact that you have dramatically increased your
[40:36] expenses in some areas. I I don't do not understand why you
[40:40] cannot maintain the revenue neutral position
[40:45] that would be at least helpful to the residents of this city.
[40:51] So that there are other comments I have but I'll wait until there's uh
[40:56] discussion on the budget itself or the proposal itself.
[41:04] » Thank you. >> Thank you sir. Anyone else like to come
[41:07] forward at this time?
[41:12] I see no one else coming forward at this time for that. Um, I'll close out the
[41:19] public portion of that meeting for the reverend neutral rate. And u
[41:24] unless anyone has any other questions for Director Bor, I would entertain a
[41:27] motion on this. Madridge. >> Mr. Mayor, I move that the council
[41:31] approve a resolution to exceed the revenue neutral rate.
[41:33] » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second?
[41:36] Red Mid second.
[41:39] » Madam Clerk, we have a motion to second. >> Council member Kosmire,
[41:44] » I. >> Council member Hans,
[41:46] » I. >> Council member Caldall,
[41:49] » I. >> Council member Lehei,
[41:51] » hi. >> Council member Ryder,
[41:54] » I. >> Council member Silvers,
[41:57] » I. >> Council member Yodri,
[42:00] » I. >> Council member Cheveta,
[42:02] » I. >> Motion passes. 80.
[42:05] » Thank you, Madam Clerk. Looks like next item up would be the public hearing for
[42:09] well for the 2027 budget. Got director, I guess, is going to come give us that
[42:13] information before we open the meeting. Anyway,
[42:16] » yes, I don't have anything more to present, but I'm happy to answer any
[42:19] questions you might have specifically on the budget. Um there was the packet in
[42:24] your uh in your file that had um all the different departments and funds broken
[42:29] out and I'm more than happy to answer any questions about something specific
[42:33] if if you have anything but nothing changed from last time.
[42:36] » Okay. Any questions director on the budget itself that was presented
[42:41] » that way. See nothing that way. Okay. Thank you. We'll go ahead and open up
[42:46] the uh public portion public meeting itself. Give a public hearing for uh
[42:50] concerning the budget. Anyone like to come forward at this time to speak on
[42:53] this topic? Are you getting come forward, sir?
[43:02] Nine of you up there. There's three members of the public that showed up
[43:06] today to speak to you to oppose resi raising the rate and you ignored them.
[43:10] You did it anyway. I don't think you care much to represent us, frankly,
[43:14] based on your actions just now. That uh has conveyed to me. Um earlier it was
[43:18] said that we have huge amounts of reserves very strong and that the reason
[43:23] we need to raise the mill rate this year is because of a one-time problem that uh
[43:28] isn't going to be a problem next year. Well, if that's the case and let's use
[43:31] those reserves, keep our our budget low, keep it at the equal rate that we the
[43:36] equal amount that we had spent last year that's revenue neutral and then we can
[43:39] ride it out in future years. Um that's what I have to say. Thank you.
[43:44] » Okay. Sir, would you like to come forward
[43:47] again? I know you said you want to speak again.
[44:06] » [clears throat] >> Um,
[44:09] one of the issues slashconerns that I have is that I took from the uh website
[44:17] the uh budget packet that I thought was going to go to you. And I notice in the
[44:23] presentation that there's a difference that there's about a an additional
[44:28] million or so dollars uh that showed up on the presentation
[44:32] versus what I got from the u from the website. Uh but again it goes back to
[44:38] the issue of the reserves. um you have adequate reserves
[44:45] and uh the reason why you've reduced reserves from the prior years is because
[44:50] of expenditures. Uh and again I'm not quite sure I
[44:55] understand like capital improvement with a dramatic increase. Uh I did have the
[45:01] chance to review the capital improvements section of the uh document
[45:06] but I would be extremely interested in why capital improvements increase so
[45:12] much. Uh I can understand some increase but we we're talking about a pretty
[45:20] substantial increase it looks like in capital improvements.
[45:25] So uh based on that information again I do not understand why
[45:30] uh reserves have gone uh excuse me that reserves have to be so
[45:37] high and that expenditures themselves have to
[45:42] be so high. Again, one of my concerns is capital improvements
[45:47] and if the money that's that's being uh spent on capital improvements makes
[45:53] sense.
[45:56] And that's the key. Does it make sense? And I hope you on the board
[46:04] really raised those questions.
[46:08] And again, I was in favor of at least at the very minimum maintaining the revenue
[46:13] neutral, but that's one of the reasons why I think you guys can do that
[46:18] because you have adequate reserves. Although again, the reserves that was
[46:22] shown on the presentation is less than what was shown Friday. It's about again
[46:28] another million million and a half less, but it still should be adequate if
[46:34] you maintain an intelligent expenditure process.
[46:41] Thank you. >> Thank you, sir.
[46:44] » And again, I I am very curious as to why the change today versus what was uh on
[46:51] the budget Friday. >> Okay. I would suggest you email our
[46:55] director Borth and and she'll get back with you on that.
[46:59] » One last comment. >> Okay. Yes. You have not been up here for
[47:03] this one. Please come forward, ma'am. >> No.
[47:14] Since this is a one-time thing that we've had one-time expenditures, does
[47:20] that mean that once we don't have these expenditures and the budget goes back to
[47:25] normal that we'll see a decrease in our property tax? I don't think so,
[47:31] unfortunately.
[47:35] » Or is there anyone else that would like to come forward at this time?
[47:39] Okay, I see no one else wanting to come forward this time or close out the uh
[47:43] public portion of that. Um, I would entertain a motion at this time. Mr.
[47:49] Addri, >> Mr. Mayor, I move that the council
[47:51] approve a resolution adopting the 2027 operating budget.
[47:56] » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? Mr. Lee,
[47:58] » Mr. Mayor, I second that motion. >> Okay, Madam Clerk, we have a motion to
[48:02] second. >> Council member Hans,
[48:04] » I. >> Council member Cald,
[48:07] » I. Council member Lehei. >> Hi.
[48:11] » Council member Ryder. >> Hi.
[48:14] » Council member Silvers. >> I.
[48:17] » Council member Yodri. >> I.
[48:20] » Council member Shaveetta. >> I.
[48:22] » Council member Kosmire. >> I.
[48:24] » Motion passes. 8 Z. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Next item up is
[48:29] council items. Approval of a bond ordinance. Who's going to remain? Looks
[48:32] like we have Mr. Engel coming to the podium.
[48:40] Thank you, mayor and councel. Next item on your agenda is approval of a bond
[48:42] ordinance and accompanying documents for the issuance of industrial revenue bonds
[48:46] with the Walls are automotive group project. As you'll recall, in August of
[48:51] last year, the city council approved resolution number 969 that expressed the
[48:56] city's intent to issue taxable revenue bonds to provide a sales tax uh
[49:00] exemption uh in an amount not to exceed $18,619,000
[49:05] to uh Walar Automotive Group for their um Genesis Automobile dealership project
[49:12] at 7220 frontage road. uh sales tax exemption would be on the cost of
[49:16] constructing, equipping, and furnishing that dealership. About a month later, uh
[49:21] there there was a um city council approved resolution 971, which assigned
[49:26] all the benefits that were approved in resolution 969 from Waler Automotive
[49:31] Group to Waler Real Estate LLC, which is their real estate development portion of
[49:36] that automotive group. Uh so that is who all of these documents are addressed to.
[49:42] That is the Walls of Real Estate L Walls of Real Estate LLC. Uh as you will
[49:47] recall uh from industrial revenue bonds passed, there is no obligation for the
[49:52] city to pay any of those bonds. No of none of those bonds come from general
[49:56] tax dollars based on statute. There is no uh risk to the city in issuing those.
[50:01] What those do is they simply provide a sales tax exemption. The way that works
[50:05] is through a base lease whereas Waler will lease their property to the city.
[50:13] City issues a lease back to them. The lease payments on that are actually what
[50:18] covers the uh debt issuance for Waler. Again, the city doesn't pay that, but
[50:22] that is how the state uh legislature and their infinite wisdom has decided they
[50:28] want to um ride herd over the sales tax exemption process that gets pres uh
[50:35] presented to um third parties. Um per city per city council policy,
[50:42] company will pay all the origination administrative fees upon issuance of the
[50:46] bonds. Uh the company also has to pay all expenses including the cost of
[50:50] publication and uh any other fees associated with that. You've got uh
[50:55] about eight documents in your packet that were created by Jacob Lowry and his
[51:00] team at Coutek Rock who's our bond council. He is in attendance this
[51:03] evening and we'd be happy to answer any of the more technical questions you may
[51:06] have on the IRB process and how the state of Kansas came up with that. But
[51:10] again, we have done this in the past. Uh but uh that being said, I'm happy to
[51:14] answer any questions that you may have. Any questions for Mr. Engel? Mr. Le,
[51:19] » I just want to make sure because I don't want anybody else to misunderstand or
[51:23] misinterpret. This is just the financial vehicle that we have to do in order to
[51:27] give them the sales tax exemption because it's the way the state set it up
[51:30] for us. We are not giving the Wler Automotive Group $18 million. We are
[51:35] just helping them offset the sales tax. >> Correct. It's it's a you absolutely
[51:40] correct. As a little bit of background, part of the reason that this comes down
[51:44] from the state is that most of the um taxes that are foregone are are state
[51:49] taxes. The state the tax rate is 9.475. Uh so 6.5% of that is the state. So the
[51:56] majority of the incentive, if you will, comes from the state, which is why the
[52:00] state has authorized it per statute is that it's really a state incentive. We
[52:05] are giving up 1.5% if those goods were to be bought in our community. the the
[52:09] county is giving up 1.475% of their sales tax if those goods used for
[52:14] construction were to be bought within Johnson County. But yes, you are correct
[52:18] that we are not giving $18.619 million to the developer.
[52:23] Okay. Any other questions, Mr. Engel?
[52:29] » Okay, see no other questions this time. Um I would entertain a motion for waving
[52:35] of that first reading. >> Mr. I'd like to make the motion. Thank
[52:39] you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the council wave the customary first reading of a
[52:43] bond ordinance issuing industrial revenue bonds for the Wasler Automotive
[52:48] Group project. >> Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
[52:50] second? We have Mr. >> Mr. May second.
[52:54] » Motion second, Madam Clerk. >> Council member Cald.
[52:57] » I. >> Council member Lee.
[52:59] » Hi. >> Council member Ryder.
[53:02] » I. >> Council member Silvers.
[53:04] » I. >> Council member Yadri. Hi,
[53:08] » Council Member Cheveta. >> Hi,
[53:11] » Council Member Kosmire. >> I,
[53:13] » Council Member Hans, >> I.
[53:15] » Motion passes 8 Z. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, having waved
[53:21] that, I would entertain a motion for approval.
[53:27] » Mr. Mayor, I move that the council approve the bond ordinance issuing the
[53:31] industrial revenue bonds and authorize the signing of the bond documents for
[53:35] the Wesler Automotive Group project. >> Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a
[53:38] second? Mr. Lee, >> Mr. Mayor, I second that motion.
[53:41] » Okay, thank you, Madam Clerk. We have a motion to second.
[53:44] » Council member Lehei, >> I.
[53:46] » Council member Ryder, >> I.
[53:49] » Council member Silvers, >> I.
[53:52] » Council member Yodridge, >> I.
[53:54] » Council member Cheveta, >> I. Council member Cosmier
[53:58] » I. >> Council member Hans I.
[54:02] » Council member Caldwell >> I.
[54:04] » Motion passes 8 Z. >> Thank you madam clerk. Looks like next
[54:08] item up is community development update. I know director Dyer is itching to get
[54:12] to the podium. Yeah I got got antsy there, didn't I? Um
[54:16] good evening mayor council member Bron Dyer community development director. A
[54:19] couple of items to go over on the community development side of things.
[54:24] First of all, um, related to your previous item, the Genesis Automobile
[54:28] dealership, they are getting very very close to having a CFO, they have just a
[54:31] few more items left to go. So, they will should be opening fairly quickly.
[54:35] » I will say they're starting to stock the lot.
[54:37] » Yeah, they have they they are. Um, so yes, they are getting very close.
[54:41] Hopefully, very soon they will be generating sales tax dollars uh for the
[54:45] city's uh revenue. Um, then on the grant side of things, we're getting very close
[54:50] to the end of the end of our grant season.
[54:53] um we have a little bit of money left in the exterior grant program. So again,
[54:57] someone has some project they're working on, um have them get it in uh sooner
[55:01] than later so we can potentially get them a refund on that uh on their work
[55:07] there. And then also uh the driveway grant program, believe our contractor
[55:12] has or is getting very close to completing all the driveways this year.
[55:15] We have one more final inspection to do with them and then we'll be able to
[55:19] close those out. Um and then now with the approval of the budget, we'll
[55:23] immediately start jumping into next year's driveway grant program. If you
[55:26] all remember, we send out letters in September, October to folks who have
[55:30] gravel driveways. We concentrate on the gravel driveways uh letting them know
[55:34] the guidelines, requirements to participate in the program. And then
[55:38] with the idea of putting together a bid packet and getting that bid packet out
[55:42] the first of next year for next year's 2027 driveway grant program. So, we'll
[55:47] be get starting work on that and be sending letters out to those folks with
[55:51] gravel driveways. Be happy to answer any questions.
[55:54] » Any questions for Director D? I see none. Thank you, sir.
[55:59] » Thank you, Mayor. >> Okay, next item up is July financial
[56:03] update. I've got Director Borth back up. >> I have nothing major to report for
[56:08] revenues, expenditures, or investments, but I do have uh we've seen some
[56:12] movement on transient guest tax that I wanted to share with you. So, um last
[56:16] month's remittance for transient guest tax, we saw all hotels remmit some at
[56:23] least um something. Um so, we knew there was one that was not paying at all. They
[56:29] remitted something. Um I'm not allowed to say how much, but it was not um from
[56:35] my examination, it was not a full amount. Um and then uh on Friday the
[56:42] state issued um a tax warrant to the hotel. Uh these are public information
[56:49] so I can share them with you um for both transient guest tax and sales tax. Uh
[56:56] but they have not concluded their formal audit yet from the delinquent period.
[57:01] This is for a new period. So on it you'll see it is from March, April and
[57:05] May of this year. Um, I encouraged them that the feedback I got was that they
[57:11] would not be able to continue paying. So, um, they have continued to monitor
[57:16] this hotel this whole time that they've been auditing. Um, [clears throat] so
[57:20] for those three months, there was about a 100,000 that was just issued for
[57:23] warrants for sales and transient guest tax. Um, now we have something from two
[57:29] different agencies from both the county and the state uh, saying that this
[57:33] property is delinquent. And so I'll let um council let you know whether or not
[57:39] we think that triggers our policy saying that you could revoke at least have a
[57:43] hearing on their business license if you so choose. But I think at this time we
[57:46] are we are probably pretty close if if Ryan agrees um that you could
[57:50] potentially act. So once their audit is officially concluded, uh they will also
[57:55] issue warrants for that period, any delinquencies. Um but I believe it took
[58:00] them a few months to get those three months issued. Um, I believe it will
[58:04] take a little bit more time to get anything formal completed for that large
[58:10] delinquent period. Have any answer any questions?
[58:15] » Any questions, Director Borth? >> Okay. Thank you.
[58:19] » I see no questions. Thank you. All right. Uh, well, next item up would be I
[58:25] see no executive session this evening. Mr. Engel, do you have anything from
[58:28] staff? Uh just at the Citizens Police Academy starts Wednesday. There's still
[58:34] a couple openings if uh folks uh in the public or on the council would like to
[58:39] sign up. [snorts] Uh next Tuesday, September 1st, between 4 and 6, we'll
[58:44] have the downtown master plan public open house. That'll occur uh here in
[58:48] city hall. Uh and then also for the council, the NLC conference this year is
[58:54] November 19th to 21st. The early bird rate expires September 1st. If anybody
[59:00] knows that they would like to attend or would like more information, please feel
[59:03] free to reach out to me. Happy to answer any questions you may have about any of
[59:06] those items or anything else. Any questions for Mr. Engel? That way?
[59:12] Nothing this way. Okay. Thanks, sir. Uh, I have nothing else this evening. Um, if
[59:18] no one else has anything, I would entertain a motion. Mr. Andri,
[59:21] » Mr. Mayor, I move that we journ. >> Okay, we have a motion to journ. And Mr.
[59:26] » Mr. May second. >> Okay. Madame Clerk. All in favor?
[59:30] » I. >> Meetings adjourned.