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[0:07] .

[0:29] .

[0:30] just a bit in there.

[0:31] You come here to play with me.

[0:32] You're just a nice one.

[0:34] Oh, hey, very happy.

[0:37] Oh, you're the most handsome one.

[0:39] It's beautiful.

[0:41] All right.

[0:41] It's beautiful.

[0:41] It's just a bottle.

[0:42] It's just a bottle.

[0:42] It doesn't look scary.

[0:43] I don't know what's in the back.

[0:44] Looks like a room in the back.

[0:45] She wants a picture.

[0:46] Very nice.

[0:47] I don't know what it's like.

[0:49] I don't know what it's like.

[0:50] I know.

[0:52] I don't think I've ever seen it.

[0:54] That's what I really wanted.

[0:55] I know what it is.

[0:56] Probably not.

[0:57] I know what it is.

[0:58] I know what it is.

[0:59] I know.

[1:00] We've been in the panel attached to the organization of public meetings to order what's

[1:05] on campus budget meetings.

[1:08] Thank you.

[1:10] Thank you.

[1:11] Thank you.

[1:12] Thank you.

[1:13] Thank you.

[1:16] Thank you.

[1:30] Thank you.

[1:31] We're going to have to put the other thing to do with the attention.

[1:36] We're going to put the other thing to do with the other thing to do with the record.

[1:38] Now, I'll apply the call.

[1:40] Post it on the line on the couch at the website.

[1:42] And post it on the screen as we go.

[1:44] Profile.

[1:46] I got this.

[1:47] I got this.

[1:47] First slide.

[1:48] We're going to have the members.

[1:51] I'm going to turn there.

[1:52] We're going to turn there.

[1:53] Thank you, Mary.

[1:54] I'm going to start with you.

[2:05] I'm going to start with you.

[2:09] I'm going to start with you.

[2:12] Get your tracking on there.

[2:15] I don't know where I sit down.

[2:16] I just want to say that.

[2:19] It's easier right here.

[2:21] How are you guys, solemnly, or?

[2:23] How are you?

[2:24] Why?

[2:24] I'm going to swear that you were supported constitution in the United States.

[2:28] But I was authority Constitution like in the United States and constitution

[2:31] of the state of New Jersey.

[2:32] Constitution about the state of New Jersey.

[2:34] I grew older chiefs in the United States.

[2:37] But I would bear true fame and allegiance to the same.

[2:40] It's in the government's establishment.

[2:42] and to the government to establish in the United States and in the state and in the state.

[2:48] Under the authority of the people, under the authority of the people, and that you will face who.

[2:52] And that I will faithfully, and partially, and justly.

[2:57] All we do is a deal of this.

[2:58] For all of the communities of the office, many were members of the last two years.

[3:02] A plenty of members of the last four, as a year ago, to the best of my ability.

[3:07] So help me.

[3:08] So help me.

[3:09] Thank you.

[3:09] Inspector Christ?

[3:11] Yeah.

[3:12] Anybody else who's going to just have an administer?

[3:14] Come down and do it.

[3:16] No, just a minister.

[3:17] I'm going to go back.

[3:18] OK.

[3:19] Did we go wrong in the new chair?

[3:20] No, no.

[3:21] No, no.

[3:22] He's just about.

[3:23] He's just about.

[3:24] All right.

[3:25] I want my vote.

[3:26] I know we only do this one today.

[3:29] Sorry.

[3:29] So just get the records clear.

[3:31] Mr. Bash in this convenient.

[3:32] I've already been thrown in.

[3:34] they actually executed their oath of law,

[3:37] so I'm going to have Mr. Lorenzo, the mayor,

[3:40] and Mr. Gallup, please stay ahead and raise your rate names.

[3:44] And at the end of this, you're just going to say

[3:46] in the affirmative.

[3:48] Do you solemnly swear for them, they will

[3:50] split the Constitution in the United States

[3:52] and the Constitution, the state of New Jersey,

[3:54] and they will bear a true thing, and they'll

[3:56] lead just to the same, and the governance established

[3:58] in the United States.

[4:00] And in this state, under the authority of the people,

[4:02] And they will detail the impartial and just look at what all the needs of the office of a plan and work member, the plan and work members and their decision name, the plan and work member class too, the best of your ability to do so.

[4:15] Thank you. Congratulations.

[4:18] I'm just through the benefit of our record if I could have a chair.

[4:22] If I could just have one witness to this end up in our business.

[4:25] So, it will be a fantastic one.

[4:27] Here, here hands, and so I refer to the test one.

[4:31] I mean, just for the right, of course, it was your own.

[4:33] It was the true apology, I did it.

[4:36] Thank you very much.

[4:37] I should have come.

[4:46] Now, we're going to vote to roll call.

[4:48] Be to speak you.

[4:50] Here.

[4:51] Right, check there.

[4:52] Here.

[4:53] We're going to cask up.

[4:55] Here.

[4:56] I'm sorry.

[4:57] Where is that?

[4:58] Here.

[4:59] Come on, here.

[5:01] Katherine, have you seen?

[5:02] Here.

[5:03] Amelia.

[5:04] Dan Nelson.

[5:05] Here.

[5:06] William Gallup.

[5:08] John Dash.

[5:08] Here.

[5:09] Jamie Shanafay.

[5:10] Here.

[5:11] How are you?

[5:11] Here.

[5:12] Chuck with Bernie.

[5:14] Here.

[5:16] James Bryce.

[5:16] Here.

[5:21] Next item.

[5:22] Is the nomination of the chairman.

[5:24] Do I have a motion?

[5:25] I'm a commotion tonight.

[5:27] I'll have a.

[5:28] I'll have a motion.

[5:32] I'll have a motion.

[5:33] It's been a second.

[5:34] Second minute.

[5:35] I'm going to do role-poss.

[5:38] Any other nominations?

[5:40] Hi, nominated.

[5:41] How he was for chairwoman who played in the board.

[5:44] What?

[5:45] For what?

[5:46] I'll second that.

[5:50] I'll second that.

[5:51] I'll second that.

[5:52] See, it's the video?

[5:53] Yes.

[5:54] Brian Schakter.

[5:56] We're in a casthouse.

[5:57] Yes.

[5:58] Kim Moff.

[5:59] Yes.

[6:00] Catherine Everley.

[6:01] Yes.

[6:03] Yes, yes, yes, yes, we go up. Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you. I'm going to do a motion close

[6:14] nominations now. I thought they just voted. All right. All right.

[6:26] I'll take it from here. Thank you, Mary,

[6:28] And I thank all of my colleagues on the planning board for keeping your continued support.

[6:32] I think you all know I enjoyed this chair.

[6:35] And I'd like to represent you and I appreciate your support.

[6:40] So thank you again to your support.

[6:41] Let's move on.

[6:43] The next nomination will accept a look for nomination for Vice Chair.

[6:47] Do I have any nominations?

[6:49] I don't have any.

[6:50] I'll second it.

[6:52] Okay, Brian.

[6:53] I made the motion.

[6:54] John second it.

[6:56] Anybody in the other nominations, seeing none, nomination is for Catherine Procolt.

[7:04] It is Fiqueo.

[7:05] Yes.

[7:06] Find check there.

[7:07] In the cast, grab.

[7:09] Yes.

[7:09] Come on.

[7:10] Yes.

[7:11] Captain and Bluezie.

[7:13] Come in.

[7:15] Yes.

[7:16] Yes.

[7:17] There are no signs.

[7:19] William Gallup.

[7:21] Yes.

[7:21] So it's move on.

[7:22] Our next nomination, it will be for our board secretary.

[7:25] So we'll please make an nomination.

[7:28] I nominate Mary Fissie, board secretary.

[7:32] Very straight.

[7:33] Thank you.

[7:33] Second.

[7:34] I'll second that.

[7:35] Thank you, David.

[7:36] Any other nominations?

[7:38] I see number of closets for nominations.

[7:40] Mary, roll call, please.

[7:41] Deep is a kicky ass.

[7:44] Sign checker.

[7:46] Being a cast grab?

[7:48] Yes.

[7:48] Kima.

[7:49] Captain, exclusive.

[7:50] Termini.

[7:51] Yes.

[7:52] Yes.

[7:52] Thank you.

[7:54] Yes.

[7:54] Thank you very much.

[7:56] Congratulations, Mayor.

[7:57] Thank you very much.

[7:59] Come to move on.

[8:00] We're going to take an nomination for our board of board attorney.

[8:03] So we'll please make an nomination.

[8:05] An nomination.

[8:05] Please, President.

[8:07] Do we need to make that formal?

[8:08] Jim?

[8:10] Jim.

[8:11] Jim.

[8:11] This is fine.

[8:12] All right.

[8:12] Do we need to nominate your water?

[8:15] Just need to do that.

[8:17] Yes, that's fine.

[8:18] It's part of the price.

[8:19] And from Murphy, McKin.

[8:21] It doesn't work.

[8:23] There you go.

[8:23] We'll be patient.

[8:24] This is right.

[8:25] From Murphy, McKin.

[8:26] Any other nominations?

[8:28] Who else are you?

[8:29] Who made that motion?

[8:30] I'd for it.

[8:30] And who seconded it?

[8:31] I'll second it.

[8:32] Thank you, Kim.

[8:34] We're good.

[8:34] I see no other nominations.

[8:36] Roll call.

[8:36] Please, Mary.

[8:38] David.

[8:38] Yes.

[8:39] Yes.

[8:39] Right, Jack.

[8:40] Here to Castro.

[8:42] Yes.

[8:42] Kim Ma.

[8:42] Yes.

[8:43] Captain of losing.

[8:44] Yes.

[8:45] Kim Ma.

[8:46] Yes.

[8:48] Yes.

[8:51] Congratulations.

[8:51] Thank you for the opportunity.

[8:54] Let's move to the long.

[8:55] We're going to take our nomination for the board engineer.

[8:59] Something to make a motion.

[9:01] I'll make motion.

[9:02] How many Michael Rillan from van Cleef in chairs?

[9:04] Thank you.

[9:05] I'll second it.

[9:06] Thank you.

[9:06] John Maynard.

[9:07] Are there any other nominations?

[9:10] I see none.

[9:10] Very girl call.

[9:12] Thank you.

[9:13] Frank Jack there?

[9:15] A clear to Castro?

[9:16] Yes.

[9:16] Good morning.

[9:17] Yes.

[9:18] Good morning.

[9:19] How do you like it?

[9:24] Yes.

[9:25] Thank you.

[9:26] Welcome back, Mike.

[9:27] It was appreciate what you do for us, planner.

[9:29] Let's make a nomination for our planning goes planner.

[9:32] Let's only please make a motion.

[9:33] I'm going to check my variety for planner.

[9:35] Second, John, second, by.

[9:37] Second.

[9:38] Second.

[9:39] It helps.

[9:41] Any other nominations?

[9:42] Anybody want this job?

[9:45] Yeah.

[9:45] All right.

[9:46] Yeah.

[9:47] All right.

[9:48] All right.

[9:51] All right.

[9:51] I see no one in the nominations.

[9:52] They're local before they change the money.

[9:54] Did you know?

[9:55] Yes.

[9:55] Great.

[9:55] Jack there.

[9:56] You're in a cast, Ralph?

[9:57] Yes.

[9:58] Good morning.

[9:59] Good morning.

[10:00] Yes.

[10:00] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, welcome back to liquids is 25 28 30 33 33

[10:13] Wow, it's all very much appreciated. Oh, I'm going to invite you 30, but we'll look to nominate our environmental consultant if someone would please make a motion

[10:26] I'll make the motion to nominate Dr. Kellon, that's not an environmental problem.

[10:30] I'll second it. Have a cup. Have a cup. I designed it.

[10:34] Just a cup. Thank you John, maybe a second. Thank you any other nominations.

[10:40] Sing done. Very local.

[10:41] Thank you, speaking out. Yes. Right. Check there. Yes.

[10:44] You're in a Castro. Yes.

[10:46] Good mom. Yes.

[10:47] Have you been in a closing? Yes.

[10:48] Dr. Mania. Yes.

[10:50] And also. Yes.

[10:51] Well, you know. Yes.

[10:52] Yes. Finally on this basis,

[10:55] Breakthrough.

[10:56] Combination for traffic Consultant, those of them who worked with Please Dominate, and

[11:00] traffic Consultant.

[11:05] Dr. Greenfield- под萝' pluckful, and vegetarian, thank you, Brian.

[11:11] Thank you, Joe.

[11:12] Thank you.

[11:13] Thank you, Brian.

[11:14] Any other nominations?

[11:17] Seeing none of those of them, I'm putting in a very roll call for this.

[11:20] Data speakers.

[11:21] Yes.

[11:21] Brian Shaftress, Eric Castro.

[11:23] Yes.

[11:24] Can you get us in?

[11:26] Yes.

[11:27] Yes.

[11:28] Yes.

[11:28] And Nelson?

[11:29] Yes.

[11:29] Well, you got it?

[11:30] Yes.

[11:32] They just bring the official question for you, Mr. Bryce.

[11:35] Last year we had a conflict, attorney, and a conflict engine here.

[11:39] Do we do that?

[11:40] Well, you're more than welcome, too.

[11:41] You don't need to do it right now.

[11:43] You certainly have somebody in mind to do that.

[11:45] How do you have resolution on the next page?

[11:48] Oh, there you go.

[11:50] You have special counsel.

[11:51] I'll still forward and do that.

[11:53] We have another way, we have a general, the reason why we don't think there's any work on that,

[12:01] not a rich application that can resolve the charge of the Spayers.

[12:06] We don't have to make the Spayers, we don't make the Spayers.

[12:08] We don't make the Spayers.

[12:08] We just don't make it.

[12:09] So in the resolution, we'll make sure we read that up on that.

[12:12] Okay, let us move with our agenda.

[12:16] We need to adopt the 20, 24-eating days we've all had a copy of that, I know Mary and I went

[12:23] here very, very spend a lot of time with her, there's no topics, where I work comfortable

[12:26] with it.

[12:27] So, somebody could please move the results of the 20, 24-eating days?

[12:31] So, move.

[12:32] I can try it.

[12:33] Jacket.

[12:33] Thank you, David.

[12:35] Any questions?

[12:36] Comments?

[12:37] Mary's role.

[12:38] Did it speak you out?

[12:39] Yes.

[12:39] Brian Chakter?

[12:40] Yes.

[12:40] in the Castro? Yes.

[12:43] Yes.

[12:44] Kevin is losing.

[12:45] Dominion? Yes.

[12:47] In Nelson? Yes.

[12:48] William Gallup? Yes.

[12:49] Tell me why.

[12:50] Yes.

[12:51] Next thing we're looking to approve is the official newspaper of the planning board

[12:54] to receive the daily record.

[12:56] That's what the council uses as a government governing body uses.

[13:03] So it's a suggestion that we use in a record of someone's please make a motion.

[13:08] Some move.

[13:09] Second.

[13:09] Thank you Brian. Thank you.

[13:11] Welcome to the Nelson for the Indiana Record. May you welcome.

[13:15] David Skikio.

[13:16] Yes.

[13:17] Frank Shakcer.

[13:18] Yes.

[13:18] The Indian Castro.

[13:19] Yes.

[13:20] Yes.

[13:21] The Indian.

[13:23] Yes.

[13:23] The Indian Assembly.

[13:25] Yes.

[13:26] How do you like it?

[13:27] Yes.

[13:27] We have our official rules of procedure.

[13:30] It hasn't been modified in a couple years.

[13:32] I don't know if it does.

[13:34] But I think everyone has a copy of it.

[13:36] make sure if you review it and want to discuss it in a later time. Otherwise,

[13:41] Doc has presented them front of us as very accurate, thorough, for something that

[13:45] does not move that.

[13:48] He's adopting a bubble of procedure.

[13:51] I move that we adopt the rules of procedure,

[13:54] 2000 and 4.

[13:56] 20,000.

[13:57] Thank you for the second.

[13:59] Any questions or comments?

[14:02] Seeing none, roll call.

[14:04] Thank you.

[14:05] Brian Shakker.

[14:06] Yes.

[14:06] Can you cast your house?

[14:07] Yes.

[14:12] Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, please go up. Yes, yes, yes, all right, so we have committee appointments that we need to do. We have a bunch of committees

[14:20] I have I have a standing committee says this is now our first committee ordinance committee just for the record

[14:27] That ordinance committee is myself now through and Danielle some in John batch

[14:30] Does anybody else want to join that or I should maybe turn around John I heard from you here

[14:37] We may need an order to make anybody want to step down or step up.

[14:42] I'll stand on it.

[14:43] Just be careful with the ear.

[14:45] You may have to see it like that.

[14:47] I would keep it in the front right now.

[14:48] Okay, so I see no change.

[14:50] I'll do it as well.

[14:52] And Dan Nelson here is still it.

[14:53] Okay, so the order to committee.

[14:56] We'll be myself capturing Dan and John Vatican to law on what happened.

[15:00] Okay, our street naming committee. Last year it was Brian Ken John Bill and myself. Anybody want to join?

[15:11] I'm out of the right, John.

[15:15] Still a great stay on Brian.

[15:18] Billy, sure, thank you. Anybody else want to come down and come off?

[15:23] Good, sounds good. We'll keep the street naming committee as it is. Open space committee.

[15:28] Thank you.

[15:29] Thanks, Ken.

[15:33] I actually like that.

[15:35] I actually like that.

[15:35] I want to say a comment.

[15:37] Thank you, Katherine.

[15:40] That's a little bit more tricky because that's a special equipment.

[15:44] That doesn't matter.

[15:45] Yeah, that's a different term.

[15:47] I really don't have much of a say at this point.

[15:50] Board of Education, our committee would Brian.

[15:54] Brian, would you like to stay on it?

[15:55] I will stay.

[15:56] And I do want to add that I see here for the record release.

[15:59] A patent is here at least representing the Board of Education as there really is on

[16:03] due to planning boards and again, we know that's important as we work developments and

[16:08] some on we want to make sure that the Board of Education officially noticed by such and

[16:13] Lisa, I know you get minutes every month and so welcome, thanks for coming tonight.

[16:18] We have our council representatives, Dominia, and Ken Lorenzo, you will be the mayor's appointment, and obviously the mayor is going to sit, probably not even in the center.

[16:32] Just to get a few of what is playing the board.

[16:35] So going forward, Ken, you will be the mayor's designated as the mayor's seat.

[16:40] I don't have any other committees.

[16:43] So let's move on with the, let me do this.

[16:46] I don't even look for a,

[16:50] somebody make a motion to accept the committees and I just weather.

[16:53] I'll make that motion.

[16:55] Excepting by John and Quest,

[16:57] not medicine, maybe let's make that official.

[16:59] Let's run a roll call.

[17:00] David Spekeo.

[17:01] Yes.

[17:02] Frank Shactor.

[17:03] You're the Castro.

[17:04] Yes.

[17:04] Kim Mark.

[17:05] Yes.

[17:06] Captain, have Lizzy.

[17:07] From Nadia.

[17:08] Yes.

[17:08] Then you'll sign?

[17:09] Yes.

[17:10] William Gallup.

[17:11] Yes.

[17:12] Another item on the agenda is the resolution of pointing

[17:15] the landing board planter, the Chuck McGrowdy,

[17:18] the mental health director of the election,

[17:21] the resolution is before me,

[17:23] the sum of the fees.

[17:25] Make a motion to accept this resolution.

[17:27] I'll make a motion to accept it.

[17:28] Second.

[17:29] Thank you.

[17:30] Thank you, Dean.

[17:31] In Congress, the president's judge now or never.

[17:35] Thank you.

[17:36] Are you sure?

[17:38] No.

[17:38] No call.

[17:39] Did you pick you up?

[17:40] Yes.

[17:41] Right, Dr. Danny Castro?

[17:43] Yes.

[17:46] Yes.

[17:47] Yes.

[17:50] William Gallop.

[17:51] Yes.

[17:53] Are we going to handle the next group?

[17:54] The next set of resolutions has one group.

[17:57] I'll read it.

[17:58] And then we'll make one motion to accept or not on all of them.

[18:02] Resolution to authorize the award of a non-fair and open contract for the professional services for.

[18:08] Mercy became legal services, then cleap engineering for engineering services,

[18:14] habitat by design, for environmental consulting services,

[18:18] Luba Leniki engineering for their traffic consulting services.

[18:22] As we mentioned before, we have a conflict engineer, not that we think we'll need it,

[18:27] but in that time comes we will be looking to approve vanilla consulting engineers

[18:31] and a special counsel with the same parameters would be, I don't know if I'd say this.

[18:36] journey in, serene in, Edwards, use that and no one.

[18:41] So those are those, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

[18:44] I will look for a motion to Google, all six.

[18:46] I'll make a motion.

[18:47] Thank you, Joe.

[18:48] I'll second that.

[18:49] Thank you.

[18:50] Bill and Thomas.

[18:51] Thank you.

[18:54] David Specia.

[18:55] Yes.

[18:56] Brian chapter.

[18:57] Yes.

[18:57] Can you cast that?

[18:59] Yes.

[19:00] Kim Mar.

[19:01] Yes.

[19:02] Can you please name it?

[19:03] Yes.

[19:04] Dominion.

[19:05] Yes.

[19:06] Yes.

[19:07] Yes.

[19:08] Yes.

[19:09] Yes.

[19:10] Just give me one second to catch up with all these.

[19:15] No.

[19:15] I'll give it to you.

[19:17] I'll give it to

[19:34] you.

[19:35] I'll give it to you.

[19:36] I'll give it to you.

[19:37] I'll give it to you.

[19:51] Okay.

[19:52] We have a resolution on this evening's agenda, which is TV 23-18 steps.

[19:56] and falls, a sandy gravel company incorporated properties

[20:01] at 666, where to move out the road block 700,

[20:04] the blocks two, three, four, five, eight.

[20:07] Block 701, blocks 4 and six, block 800,

[20:10] the blocks 40.

[20:12] If someone would please make a motion

[20:13] to accept the resolution, it's almost second.

[20:17] Thank you, thank you, Dan, any comments or questions?

[20:20] They've done very well, Father.

[20:22] Hey, good to stick you out.

[20:23] Yes.

[20:24] Thank you.

[20:24] Yes?

[20:25] Can you throw us out?

[20:26] Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes.

[20:32] Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, yes.

[20:34] Yes. Yes, sir, that being said.

[20:36] What is the movement for the development and management?

[20:41] At first, what, CB 23S can which weigh the properties LLC,

[20:46] if you're interested in considering the partner site plans with various properties associated with

[20:51] I'd like to give you a couple of slides.

[20:53] Well, at 54,000, one last time,

[20:55] the nine.

[21:02] Let me use that.

[21:03] I'd like to give you a second.

[21:13] Thank you.

[21:14] Let's see it here.

[21:18] Let's open.

[21:19] First one?

[21:21] Everyone will be here.

[21:23] Thank you.

[21:24] Great.

[21:25] My name is Ursula Leo from Lenny Park and Ryan.

[21:27] I am here tonight on behalf of Wright Properties LLC.

[21:31] We are here tonight for preliminary and final site plan approval

[21:34] as well as variant relief. This is block 5401, lock 2090. That site with those existing 4 vacant buildings,

[21:44] but we're looking to do is demolish those 4 buildings and make one auto sales building. The site is

[21:51] about 2.4 acres, it's actually 193 root 206 north, and we're in the C2 commercial zone,

[21:56] and also the Highland Preservation area. Tonight with me is Joseph Wright, who is the owner of

[22:02] They're also going to hear from our engineer, John Medellio, and our planner tonight is Matt Flint, so that's the test for us.

[22:07] How do you get comfortable in the second time?

[22:09] For us, what we can do is we'll swear you'll make this close with us.

[22:14] Just raise your hand.

[22:15] Do you swear affirm that the testimony you're about to give this word is the truth of the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

[22:21] Please state your name and spell your last for the reference.

[22:23] Joseph Wright, WRIJ State.

[22:26] Thank you, sir.

[22:27] Thank you.

[22:29] We did publish notice on December 19th in the daily record and provided notice to the property owners on December 18th.

[22:36] I'll look for about a minute.

[22:39] Thank you.

[22:41] Okay.

[22:42] Mr. Wright, can you please explain your proposed announcement to the board?

[22:46] We'd like to put up what's part of the building goes.

[22:49] A 10,000 square foot building, which we're going to be running a car dealership.

[22:55] We don't do a lot of retail, we do a lot of wholesale stuff,

[22:59] but I do want to put up, we buy a lot of really cool cars,

[23:03] the people don't hold cars and some exotic stuff,

[23:06] and I want to put up a nice showroom where people

[23:08] come and look at what we have, and that's basically it.

[23:12] So you have an existing operation somewhere else.

[23:15] And so can you explain a little bit more

[23:16] what it is you actually do and what's going to happen at that building?

[23:19] What's going to happen at that building is we do

[23:21] kind of the opposite of what most car dealers do.

[23:24] they go to auction by cars and sell them to the public.

[23:28] We actually buy cars from the public and sell them to the auction.

[23:31] So we do the complete opposite of what most people do.

[23:35] So most of the stuff that we do with my trucks,

[23:36] my guys going out picking them up, they come back,

[23:38] and then the auction comes and drivers,

[23:41] and they drive them to the auctions.

[23:43] So a retail license is required by the state you have that.

[23:45] That's right.

[23:46] OK.

[23:47] And so what we're seeking is almost like a pole barn, right?

[23:49] This building.

[23:50] All right.

[23:51] And then 44 parking spaces outside.

[23:53] Okay, and so the show room we'll explain that where the cars will be inside and there's gonna be

[23:58] Exotics and Ticks will be all indoors, and then on outside. Yes, all the Exotics and T-Cars will be inside of the building.

[24:06] About how many cars will be inside?

[24:10] Depending with lifts 30-ish.

[24:13] Okay, and how about the number of employees? What do you anticipate for the number of employees for the site?

[24:16] Ten employees.

[24:17] All right, and what hours of operation would you like to have for this building?

[24:20] Monday through Saturday 8 to 7 and then there's, can you explain how the doors work on the

[24:29] building?

[24:30] There's just three, I'm sorry there's four doors that we put on the building, three in

[24:37] the front, big doors to get in and out of and then one in the rear and the one in the

[24:42] rear is mainly for airflow and the summer one to get top.

[24:46] So unlike a traditional car dealer where you want it to do a pilot, you would have any pilot to drive for a test drive.

[24:53] In this case, you're going to have one of whatever this exotic car is.

[24:56] So if the person wants to test drive it, you're going to lift the door, they're going to test drive and bring it in.

[25:01] Well, we would bring it outside of the building and then they would, but yes, you know, that's what the doors are for for them to get it for us to get them out for them to take them for a run.

[25:09] And that's accurate. So there's all kinds of different cars usually one because it's unique.

[25:12] Yes.

[25:13] Okay, how many customers do you anticipate having come on site?

[25:17] Um, not, uh, the read of five at that would say we don't do a lot of retail because most

[25:24] of our whole operations have been wholesale for the last 15 years, so, um, I can't, I'd

[25:30] read a five at that would say they, you know, come in for certain stuff.

[25:35] Okay, and our engineer will testify as to the actual operations and the engineering part of it,

[25:39] but if you have any questions for Mr. Wright as to the operations,

[25:42] They wanted to give you that introduction.

[25:47] What is your position in the company?

[25:49] I'm the owner.

[25:51] If you said it, I'm sorry, I missed it.

[25:53] I'm sorry.

[25:56] You want to operate a U-1 site?

[25:59] Correct.

[26:01] And so, what percentage of your bases in the U-KL?

[26:04] What do you say?

[26:05] It's a right now.

[26:08] Well, we sold 2800 cars last year, and I think maybe 25 or 30.

[26:13] I'm going to read them.

[26:14] Okay, it's a very small percentage.

[26:16] When you give a test drive to do it, with your end user, take a test drive with your cell

[26:20] of the cordywood auction at home, send them.

[26:22] These are test drive with colleagues, part of that business exchange.

[26:26] Not as, not for what we do, because mostly our cars come in with on tow truck.

[26:30] You know, we have a couple of tow trucks.

[26:32] Or my driver's driving in, and when the auction comes to pick them up, they come with a

[26:36] vanful of drivers and drive them out.

[26:38] Okay, because I thought you talked about test driving.

[26:40] Yeah, that's pretty retail stuff to anybody comes in if they want to test drive them, you know, generally on, you know, on some of the older cars

[26:47] They won't, you know, we'll bring them to somebody's mechanic that I'm looked over on

[26:53] And I have a question I should have asked no car carriers on site. No car carers. No

[26:58] Okay, so the cars are to pick up a small band

[27:00] I think they come with yeah the auction comes with their own band

[27:03] And with drivers in it and then they put plates on on the drive them out

[27:06] Well, let me just talk about a different aspect of business because I have this question in that when he read the reports.

[27:12] Maintenance.

[27:13] You have a facility for maintenance.

[27:14] No, everything gets subcontracted out.

[27:17] So, on site, at this site that you're proposing, no maintenance whatsoever. No oil change, no bits, no.

[27:22] No.

[27:23] Okay.

[27:25] I will have, I will have left, but they'll be for the cars.

[27:29] No, service list.

[27:30] Correct.

[27:31] What do you have for them?

[27:32] I'll have a couple stack cars, you put one in the air and have put one underneath it for your only plan on the story.

[27:40] First storage.

[27:41] Approximately.

[27:42] Yeah, 30.

[27:43] It all depends on you.

[27:44] I don't know how, but the size of the building once we get everything and how much more we're going to accept.

[27:49] Just guess the main about 30 cars by taking the layout of the inside of the garage.

[27:54] You know, and a lot of that stuff you want to have break too close to each other.

[27:58] Did you open a door cost?

[27:59] Yeah.

[27:59] Thousands of dollars.

[28:00] and some else.

[28:04] Didn't, I'm sorry, go where you going.

[28:06] But I didn't know if you were still going or not.

[28:08] I questioned that the car holders.

[28:10] There's no hot shot truck showing up with the all I did

[28:13] kill three cars, you know what I mean?

[28:15] Nope, we have regular, that's all we have.

[28:21] Thank you.

[28:22] You're with Dan?

[28:23] Yeah, just with Dan.

[28:25] I'm like clarification.

[28:27] You're saying you buy the cars from the public.

[28:29] Yes.

[28:30] and then you sell them or bring them to an office.

[28:33] They get shipped to options.

[28:34] You need to show them.

[28:37] Well, we buy such nice stuff that I want people to come in and look.

[28:40] You know, if you want to go there with somebody and walk in and see the stuff that we buy.

[28:45] We buy some really cool stuff, old stuff, new, you know, newer, exotic stuff.

[28:50] And I want to have some more nice to have a park.

[28:53] So you do sell to the public.

[28:54] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[28:55] Well, I was, yeah, if somebody comes in and they like something,

[28:58] But we're not, you know, press somebody to buy some, you know, I just want to have a nice place for, if you want to stop in and take a look at the stuff that we buy, you're more than worth it.

[29:09] So Joe, we're not really looking at a, you know, a traditional type of car dealer with windows in the glass.

[29:16] Correct.

[29:16] Maybe jumping ahead, but the building that you're proposing looks more like a warehouse. Is that accurate?

[29:21] Yeah, there's a couple windows on the front of it, but yes, it sits more of a warehouse.

[29:26] Is the interior finished?

[29:28] The interior is no, not finished inside.

[29:32] Because I noticed you mentioned opening the rear door when it's hot out.

[29:36] So the building's not going to be climbing control then.

[29:38] It will be heated for the winter.

[29:40] But not in my air conditioning, you know, for in there.

[29:44] The office is just, but not.

[29:47] Done.

[29:48] Yes, two questions.

[29:48] You said you had another location elsewhere?

[29:51] Yes.

[29:51] Where?

[29:52] And Rocksburg.

[29:53] Okay, where about?

[29:54] We're 46 right by Joe's Pizza, and I'm both sides of the highway right now, okay.

[30:00] Secretary Cars, to you consider hand-takes, or, for example, go everything back into the 30s, but a lot of 50s,

[30:09] we have a few 60s and 70s in stock now. And what we do is, generally, we'll buy a lot of them throughout the winter.

[30:16] And then in the spring they have a big sale out in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and that's where I ship a lot of them to.

[30:22] And it's called the man-on-house. It's called the hundred grander sale where they have all the antiques.

[30:27] And that's, you know, happens twice a year.

[30:29] So twice a year of, you start buying for a couple of months,

[30:32] and then we ship them all out.

[30:34] Do you prep them at all at your facility?

[30:35] Or is it just a turn around?

[30:37] Uh, no prep, you know, they do all the prep stuff

[30:41] the auction for us.

[30:42] OK, thank you.

[30:43] You're welcome.

[30:45] John?

[30:46] Would you say your biggest percentage goes to a auction?

[30:49] Or do you sell them all to the goods?

[30:50] Go ahead.

[30:52] Probably, in the eight or nine percent of them all go to auction.

[30:56] So

[30:59] what are the cars that you say are retail sales?

[31:04] I really don't push to sell retail.

[31:07] I haven't. We never have.

[31:09] So I mean, it all depends on who comes in if they see something like.

[31:14] But we've been newer cars?

[31:16] Yeah, newer and older, too.

[31:18] There's a mix.

[31:20] We buy a mix of everything.

[31:22] So it's everything from the 2024's that's right down to into the 30's

[31:30] Thank you buy them from the public. Bye from the public

[31:33] How do you ever exercise? I have four guys on the computer. That's all they do well then a girl

[31:39] That's that's all they do all day is looking for cars and then we hook up with the customer

[31:44] We send a tow truck to pick them up

[31:46] But I'm saying how do you then sell them to somebody if it's a newer part?

[31:50] We don't do any advertising because of all the stuff that we buy go to go to two options

[31:57] where the complete opposite of what everybody else does.

[32:01] Where the dealer would go to the auction to buy a car to sell it to the public.

[32:06] We're buying it from the public and selling it to the auction.

[32:09] I thought it sounds crazy, but it's worked for almost 20 years now.

[32:13] So we've told all four post-election sites, no two post-election sites.

[32:16] Yeah, four post-election sites.

[32:17] Yeah, all right to end users.

[32:19] From what you're saying, right, it sounds like more

[32:22] of a holding facility for these vehicles,

[32:24] in between your purchase and the sale of it

[32:27] than in actual show.

[32:29] Correct, correct.

[32:32] So Mr. I'm pretty familiar with your operation.

[32:35] Yeah.

[32:35] Rock's very, I mean, just to get some clarification.

[32:39] When he talks about like high-level corners,

[32:42] we're talking about like families,

[32:43] use Jaguar's, Ross Royce's, I mean, I've seen the stuff in it, it's high in. This

[32:50] is the stuff you don't buy at, you know, Joe's used car a lot, but yeah, I wouldn't take

[32:55] it. And if you, I mean, you have to ask about that.

[32:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one

[33:02] thing we talked about preparing to is if you are going to use the front first show where

[33:06] I mean, if someone wants to come in with their son for a day and show them, apparently from

[33:10] whatever year, that's something that can occur there also.

[33:12] Correct.

[33:13] We have to make an appointment to do that.

[33:14] No, no.

[33:15] That's not at all.

[33:16] Not at all.

[33:19] I want somebody to drive by and they see it, you know,

[33:21] that there's a 65-BWC river here sitting there.

[33:24] I want him to pull in and look at it.

[33:25] You know, maybe buy it if they like.

[33:28] You know, but at least to pull in and take a look at it.

[33:30] So you are going to store some of those cars a little in the parking.

[33:33] Yeah, some of those cars?

[33:35] But most of the stuff like that and the Bentley isn't everything

[33:38] that he's talking about, I want inside because I'm, you know,

[33:40] Listen, there's thefts going on everywhere.

[33:44] I don't want those kind of cars being stolen.

[33:49] So you keep your tow truck, honestly?

[33:51] Yes.

[33:51] How many tow trucks?

[33:53] We got five.

[33:53] They'll be five on this side.

[33:57] Where were they these people?

[33:58] Behind the building.

[34:00] And our engineer will go into that on the site plan

[34:02] and show you what you're doing.

[34:07] What do you want to do?

[34:07] Excuse me.

[34:08] One second question.

[34:09] Yeah, absolutely.

[34:09] Do you sell your cars to the auction or do you bring your cars

[34:14] to the auction to sell their?

[34:16] We bring the cars to the auction and then they get sold there.

[34:20] So there's times where we'll have, we'll sit on certain cars for two or three months.

[34:25] But at least if there's sitting in the warehouse where people become,

[34:29] if they want to look at them or purposes, you buy them, they can.

[34:37] You know?

[34:38] couple like it's probably for the right, I suppose, to be here.

[34:57] All right, so you're going to have thousands of where

[35:00] feed inside for office space, you know?

[35:02] Is that being one of you?

[35:04] Not a question necessarily for this board situation,

[35:08] and the plan for review by the farm market,

[35:10] we just wanted a fire lane shown on the building,

[35:13] by which we use off wherever,

[35:15] but you never know where the landscape is on and I feel like we're going to lose it.

[35:20] In your experience elsewhere, storing vehicles inside and problems inside is special.

[35:30] There's a building here which is very old.

[35:33] Any of that?

[35:35] Will the vehicles have gas in here?

[35:38] Can we just run inside?

[35:39] Yeah, muddias.

[35:41] Okay.

[35:41] If it's approved, you'll have to do it.

[35:43] Yeah.

[35:43] code.

[35:49] You understand that during that, I'm sure the CEO is explaining that too. I

[35:55] just near here in the preservation area. So the impervious coverage you're proposing, that's it.

[36:00] You don't get any more. Correct. Okay. So, and to that question, you have 44 parking spaces,

[36:08] and you just told us you have five tow trucks people here about a bit. So is that going to be sufficient?

[36:15] Yes, with the indoor parking as well.

[36:18] Okay, because you're not.

[36:19] Again, if you're fooled, you're not going to be allowed to park throughout the parking

[36:23] law except within the parking spaces.

[36:25] Correct.

[36:27] And that works.

[36:28] Yes.

[36:33] Second.

[36:35] What about the color of the design we built tonight?

[36:38] I mean, we all know what a cold war building looks like.

[36:41] Jeremy said it's more of a warehouse kind of look.

[36:43] But do you know?

[36:45] Yeah, we're going to toss up between two colors, which is a gray and a dark blue.

[36:51] And then I also would like to put the half fake rock down across the front of that bill.

[36:58] It's not really rock.

[37:00] It's like a foam now, it looks like, but it's got that rock look.

[37:05] Perfect.

[37:07] Yeah, it's just perfect.

[37:08] Fristetic.

[37:09] Fristetic.

[37:11] Yeah, around the base.

[37:12] Yes.

[37:14] So those plans that we have are not what it's going to look like.

[37:18] Those plans?

[37:19] Yeah, more.

[37:20] I'm going to go ahead and point.

[37:22] Yes, that's the style of the building.

[37:27] Yeah.

[37:28] As we said, this is really important.

[37:30] I need that.

[37:30] So practically the plans are supposed to be used there by the architect.

[37:33] Or at least by the architect.

[37:35] So you think this is prepared by the architect?

[37:38] And he's a more close-by chopper on the face of the man.

[37:43] But he's not allowed to.

[37:46] Yeah.

[37:47] But you mentioned your heating.

[37:52] We're going there.

[37:53] Correct.

[37:54] You're not going to have a heating.

[37:58] Well, he and Aaron leave office.

[38:00] Sorry.

[38:01] He and Aaron leave office.

[38:02] Okay.

[38:02] And then he and the warehouse.

[38:04] Where is the HPAC units going to be?

[38:10] The engineer will testify as to the units in the screening, that's what they're doing.

[38:13] All right.

[38:18] And the last thing I have, right, I'm going to be doing here.

[38:21] You've got a chance to look at reports on this.

[38:24] A bit of a problem with these hidden signs.

[38:26] I'm looking for the naked eye.

[38:27] I want to be there to know it.

[38:28] But, unfortunately, it didn't be high where you're right now.

[38:31] I've got two.

[38:33] We properly installed it.

[38:35] So many years ago.

[38:36] So, you know, the attention was to reuse that sign, but I'm advised that I might suggest

[38:41] it before it is that that's exactly correct, and that sign would be back into the property.

[38:48] And it's entirely.

[38:50] The issue is we've been kicking this around because, you know, we don't want to require

[38:53] another variance.

[38:54] If it's not there, it's in the parking lot.

[38:56] There's really no spot for the sign to go without this request to really give in that area.

[39:01] And the neighborhood for all the properties, and we'll show an aerial through the

[39:04] engineer, that may be we can defer that for a minute too, just because of the existing

[39:09] conditions at this site and in the surrounding area.

[39:34] I do, I know that automobile sales are allowed in that zone, right, correct?

[39:43] Is there anything you can do with the side that does not make it look like a warehouse?

[39:51] So I think those stones, what you're talking about.

[39:53] Well, the stones, they're like fake stones.

[39:56] I don't know if the word been here, right?

[39:57] That'll go on the bottom.

[39:58] I'll break up the sod and our engineer can talk.

[40:02] I don't like to think about the world of sales.

[40:04] You know I see glass on a building so you can see the things that are inside.

[40:12] I'm just not sure that I want to see something that looks like a warehouse on two of us.

[40:20] So maybe you can put some polish stuff up and do differently.

[40:29] I mean, am I the only one that has that?

[40:33] I agree with that thing.

[40:34] When I was asking them kind of, you know, it's kind of like a placey storage of stuff, waiting for it to be sold.

[40:41] It's not as much of a showroom.

[40:44] What would you say you're percentage of retail versus what you're sending out to auction is roughly 98 is wholesale and 2% is retail.

[40:54] What's your average car sales annually about?

[40:58] $3,000 a year, $3,000, or are you going to be maintaining a rock fairy location or that's closer than you thought?

[41:04] I'm location is that your goal here?

[41:06] Yeah, so I'm on location.

[41:08] Thanks.

[41:09] Mike, did you have any questions for your report that would be appropriate from Mr. White?

[41:13] I don't think I have any questions.

[41:16] So let me go and think, Mike, how are you?

[41:18] I do, Mike.

[41:19] Go ahead.

[41:21] Well, we're talking about parking in the trucks in the back.

[41:24] Is there enough room with these spaces in the back?

[41:26] We're looking for a truck?

[41:27] Yeah, they're not big trucks.

[41:31] They're probably, maybe, 30 feet long, roughly.

[41:35] OK, so the parking spaces are 20 feet tall.

[41:38] How are you going to fit my trucks back there with, if they're only.

[41:43] I'm just guessing me in the size roughly.

[41:45] I don't know.

[41:46] If I can defer to our engineer, I'll bring it to the site plan.

[41:48] If that's OK, my first circulation.

[41:50] I wanted a truck.

[41:51] Well, the truck is talking to a signage.

[41:53] Are you proposing any signage upon the building?

[41:57] Yes, yes, okay. That doesn't show on any of the planned room. If I'm mistaken, I just need

[42:04] to answer this. You'll have our engineer speak to that also. Okay. Thank you.

[42:08] I've already made a note here of a condition that you need to see your architectural plans designed by professional

[42:14] too. Before I open it to the public, you mentioned some color options that you were considering

[42:20] a bright blue. No, dark blue. No, dark blue and a gray.

[42:23] A dark blue and a gray. I think this clam board, I'm only speaking to myself with

[42:27] a purer to see your face. Okay. Right. And a blue because there's too many

[42:30] shades of blue. And if you're pulling dark blue, I can see her right. Yeah. So I think

[42:35] it's a, it's a much safer alternative. And I think that's how it should be noted

[42:41] on the plans. I've got a nice suggestion. I don't mess anyone. There's a

[42:49] blue colors.

[42:52] In the building.

[42:54] And with that, if nobody else has a question, I'm going to open it to the public.

[42:58] If anybody in public has any questions from Mr. Wright, based on the testimony

[43:01] of the delivered, now is a good time to come to the podium.

[43:05] Otherwise I'll close it to the public.

[43:06] Mr. Davis.

[43:08] Before you get there, Brian's got a question.

[43:11] On your plans.

[43:13] You say you're going to put us on it all the time.

[43:28] I'm not sure where they put it on the, we could defer that to our engineer, please.

[43:42] Okay, this is the day we see them come out to do that.

[43:51] I was talking about the younger ones today.

[43:54] It's okay.

[43:55] It's okay.

[43:56] It's okay.

[43:57] It's okay.

[43:59] The reason I'm here is I don't, I'm glad you're going to do some of that property.

[44:09] But I've got a lot of runoff coming off to this property across the road.

[44:13] I don't want to stop you.

[44:14] only because we're going to hear from the engineer about drainage and runoff, Mr. Wright

[44:18] didn't test if I didn't need that.

[44:20] So you've been here before.

[44:21] As soon as the engineer talks about the drainage and stormwater, that's when we'll bring

[44:26] you back up.

[44:29] So again, if you had any questions based on what Mr. Wright talked about, feel free to ask

[44:32] those questions.

[44:33] Otherwise, we'll bring you back up in the engineer.

[44:35] A lot of pressure on the engineer tonight.

[44:38] Yeah.

[44:39] Who's that?

[44:43] Who's that?

[44:43] I appreciate that, thank you.

[44:46] It's okay.

[44:46] I have a car shield and a mess with me.

[44:48] Absolutely.

[44:50] Thank you.

[44:51] Well, that was like the city improvement in what's going on.

[44:53] It's going forward to run down.

[44:56] We will read your address that I promised you.

[44:58] We have somebody else from the public.

[45:00] I'm just coming up. I'm good.

[45:03] Not you.

[45:06] Scott Biel for Main Street, so I am directly to the left of you behind you, however you're looking.

[45:13] I just have concern. I haven't seen the parking, so I don't know when that's going to be a dresser if I can see plans for that.

[45:20] But on the one side, I have the Randental and those businesses and there's a fence that

[45:29] have been grandfathered in there and there's been police reports that's been run through

[45:33] a lot there.

[45:34] So my concern with having more vehicles on that side and a family that's two sides that if

[45:41] I don't know how the traffic is going to flow there and also with the family there just

[45:46] with high end vehicles, there are concerns for safety then, so I just want those to be noted and how those would be addressed because, you know, I do have a family three children in.

[45:58] I guess.

[45:59] Which one?

[46:00] It's a question if you ask Mr. Ray if he's going to buffer that side of the property?

[46:05] Yes.

[46:06] Is that, I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen.

[46:08] Oh, because I'm looking for a question.

[46:10] And I hear you.

[46:10] Yes.

[46:11] Yes, so to be.

[46:12] The question that seems like.

[46:13] First is, yeah.

[46:13] I think it's to buffer the order inside of your property.

[46:18] With that be by.

[46:19] It's by the lot that you, the bacon lot that you also own.

[46:23] That came with part of the property.

[46:26] Yes.

[46:26] So it's that corner there I would assume.

[46:28] Yes, the Randental is here, the business is here, and then that lot is here.

[46:34] Yeah, so it's like, we're on Main Street.

[46:38] Okay. So it would be if we're facing 206, and we'll be to your right.

[46:46] The right of your property if you're facing 206.

[46:58] the property if I'm on the property yes yes yes if I'm facing your property from to a

[47:11] six it would be the left side yes and I know there's a something back that I haven't

[47:16] really shrunk through the property exactly yeah because we have our fence there and we

[47:21] were trying to be good neighbors and we built well off our property line so my concern is

[47:26] that there's going to be encroachment there with marking and things like that just to keep us

[47:32] under control we're asking questions and I will certainly open it back up to you for your opinion

[47:37] so I'm trying to make a question this is a question so what is is there going to be

[47:42] where you can ask yes is there is there going to be on that side of the property like where is the

[47:47] parking lot going to go well the main park on still staying in the front of those buildings and then on the

[47:53] are you building further back for the trucks or you're not going further back and nothing

[48:00] is I don't want to show the plan to do you'll see the plans it's okay we're not we're

[48:06] not going back to it so perhaps for clarification what we're telling the public that we're

[48:09] going to assume see a site plan that will show all of them correct okay and then of course you're

[48:16] going back ask more questions and then ultimately tell me whatever's on your mind not yet though

[48:21] Okay, and then there's the one other question just about the security for the building because I haven't heard that it dressed at all

[48:29] I'm supporting security on the building absolutely the motion sensors and lots of care and have you at your current facility have you had break-ins or other things

[48:39] No, I have not. I'm hoping not, but we lock everything down, and

[48:45] You know, I've got a lot of cameras and everything else there. So

[48:48] Okay, it's the some worried about that too. I don't want I don't want I don't want I don't want to track any anybody coming there to try to get in do one of the thing

[48:57] Yeah, yeah, appreciate it. All right

[49:00] Okay, so that's that they have with the where the parking is to when everything

[49:08] Thank you. No, I appreciate it. Thank you

[49:18] from Mr. Wright, is that the testimony Chuck?

[49:22] It's just, I was going to have to engineer and perhaps that you've

[49:25] told me that that's the correct person.

[49:28] Lighting, you're going to have, and if you want security lighting, you didn't give

[49:33] us the site plan around it, did not provide detailed for the light

[49:37] pictures, which we'll talk about when you're engaging here in testifies, but

[49:42] do you intend to keep lighting on throughout the night?

[49:44] no we were we talked about that get shut down at eight o'clock except for motion

[49:53] centralized and then we'll talk about details we're in okay I think you can

[49:59] get around the bill I don't see anything else thanks so much thank you I

[50:03] appreciate it thank you first of all you'll bring up your next thank you

[50:13] You use an adu operation first, that might have been a mistake tonight.

[50:17] I'm nice.

[50:18] You said that.

[50:19] Just put it together.

[50:35] I think you just raised your hand.

[50:36] You swear for him that the test will not hurt.

[50:38] Or it'll hurt.

[50:40] I did.

[50:41] To state your name, you just will.

[50:42] Sure.

[50:43] Legal name is Giovanni.

[50:45] GIO.

[50:45] EA.

[50:46] And then I.

[50:48] Last name, Nileo.

[50:49] MA.

[50:50] And I.

[50:51] LIO.

[50:53] Thank you, sir.

[50:55] Mr. Millio, do you currently hold a professional engineer's license?

[50:59] Yes, so I'm currently licensed in the state of New Jersey in New York.

[51:03] Both licenses in good standing have a factor of science degree in civil engineering

[51:07] from Syracuse University.

[51:10] Tested by numerous boards throughout the state.

[51:13] I've been in front of this board a couple of times, not a few years, but of

[51:17] the auto dealerships, the Subaru on 46, and Stewart Lassert's a lot that was next door.

[51:25] I don't think that was ever built, but that was a lot.

[51:29] No, if you're looking at Subaru, it's at a right.

[51:32] Oh, I got you right.

[51:35] So you've heard, I think we're ready to see the slight plan in the future today.

[51:39] I've got a list of questions.

[51:41] Anybody have any questions for Mr. Medellio regarding his qualifications. If not, I welcome you this evening as the expert engineer.

[51:48] Thank you.

[51:50] I'm going to stand over there. I'm going to see what that mic is on.

[51:53] That's fine. Yeah, go pick up there.

[52:01] I'm going

[52:04] to reference a exhibit entitled right properties LLC, aerial exhibit with today's date.

[52:10] I guess we'll all this A1.

[52:11] Let's get into

[52:17] the record scenario, exhibit of the right property.

[52:20] This property is in the center of the exhibit.

[52:24] I'm highlighting a yellow, also shown over the surrounding streets and surrounding zoning districts.

[52:30] So properties known as 193-2006,

[52:35] block 54.01, lock 29 located in the C2 commercial zone. It's surrounded to the north and east by

[52:45] the R3 zone and to the south by the R3 zone and then to the west and along route 206 in the C2 zone.

[52:56] Site has approximately 316 feet of frontage on route 206 and there's approximately 2.4 acres

[53:04] in size. There's professional mental office to the north and also some residential properties

[53:11] to the north. To the south is the after restaurant. To the west is the future of the

[53:17] Wala. That's going in there. And it means there's more residential properties.

[53:25] So the kind of site currently consists of four buildings set back into the back of the middle

[53:31] The site, the site itself, 50% of it is developed, and that's mostly the front portion.

[53:37] It is in the Highlands preservation area, and we'll get to that in a little bit as we comply with that.

[53:44] There's several ingress and egress that I've involved in 206 with the parking lot in the front.

[53:49] The front parking lot currently has 34 parking spaces.

[53:53] And then there's a driveway between the four buildings that goes to the back.

[53:57] And then the back is an additional small parking lot that can be a place of spaces.

[54:03] Looking through, it looks like this property was actually approved in 1984 by the board.

[54:09] It was previously four residential properties and was converted to commercial.

[54:14] And the use is consistent.

[54:16] Professional offices, medical offices, and I believe some retail has well.

[54:21] site it is serviced by public water and there are two current septic disposal systems on the site

[54:27] one of them which will be abandoned and I'll get to that as well.

[54:38] Next we did it with the title of right-topping LLC.

[54:40] It's a site rendering.

[54:42] It's a color rendition of the site plan.

[54:44] I'm also with the landscaping shown.

[55:03] So, the development that was posed as much is to demolish the forward just in buildings.

[55:09] A one-story building,

[55:14] kind of in the same area of those four buildings.

[55:16] It's approximately 10,000 square feet, a little shy of it.

[55:20] It will consist of about 1,000 square feet, or exactly 1,000 square feet of office,

[55:24] and the lower left corner to look at the plan view.

[55:27] It will be three overhead doors in the front,

[55:30] With access to get cars in and out of the show room and then as I'm sorry that that's the fight in the back is another over and door of just for a con control

[55:39] Oh, sure my I say

[55:46] Maybe even turn it on an angle so the public and maybe as you would do it

[56:05] I think the public can move a little

[56:13] bit.

[56:15] I

[56:22] think the public can move a little bit.

[56:23] There is an overhang that comes off the building.

[56:26] So that's the thing about the need to move a hand over the sidewalk and over there.

[56:34] We are proposing a total of 44 visible parking spaces.

[56:38] with one of these EE states, with that you get credit, so the type of EE that four or five

[56:44] states is put in order to participate in these formulas, per the calculation of your

[56:51] answer, three or four states are required, so you can comply with that as well. From Park

[56:56] a lot, as you can see in this run rate, so there's a light rate in the dark rate, so light

[57:01] rate is everything that's interesting, our payment, the dark rate is paid and that's either

[57:06] new or being readable.

[57:08] Essentially, the front parking lot changes.

[57:10] It's best to say the same, where we feel the traffic,

[57:13] and make sure the green and green parts

[57:14] can take the front storm forward.

[57:16] The front parking lot consists of 38 spaces.

[57:20] We have 18 right now showing on-site plans

[57:23] as the boat is strictly 14, and then split.

[57:27] And then we have another 20, which

[57:29] can be less ready than we use for customer parking.

[57:31] Again, there's not a lot of customers in now.

[57:34] You'll ask for employee parking.

[57:35] And then there's a four or eight before your display that would be there as well.

[57:41] You're constructing a new driveway onto the south side of the building.

[57:45] That says are great here, which leads to a refugee area, which is big enough for a dumpster

[57:50] for refugees and another one from the cycling.

[57:54] And as you go for the back, this light gray area is the existing parking lot that's back there already.

[58:00] And that will have six faces. They're 10x20.

[58:03] Again, we can make it a little biter that the aisles is pretty big back there, it's going to be range from 30 to approximately 30 to 30 feet.

[58:11] So the aisles is wider to allow for the trucking when it comes back there.

[58:17] Just to get into the question I'm going to give you from the public.

[58:21] Chair for the location of the parking.

[58:23] So we're not going to do this.

[58:24] We're going to be in the parking office.

[58:26] The parking office is actually where we are.

[58:27] We're just going to be configuring it.

[58:29] And if we can drive away on the south side of Opsit, they're probably.

[58:33] Maybe the tow truck parking hit, too.

[58:35] That was the other question, right?

[58:36] About with the tow trucks.

[58:37] Yeah, so I'm sorry.

[58:38] The back part line is where the tow truck parking will be.

[58:41] So they're hitting the front of the cover.

[58:44] We are building a new sidewalk along the entire front of the building.

[58:48] He's six feet wide, and we are also building.

[58:52] We're putting in two ED parties.

[58:54] This is truly not fine.

[58:55] I believe the current ones that are out there often might have been afraid, or I don't know.

[59:03] If you're asking for a second on the parking in the front parking lot, all of those

[59:07] based on my IDT, people have done a part of 10 by 20.

[59:12] Giving the use of the facility, not a lot of public coming in now,

[59:16] leaving sufficient parts based on my IDT.

[59:20] We do some 10 by 20, but we have a lot of traffic in and out.

[59:24] We'll see the retail, the shop and cars.

[59:27] We've got bags in and out of this, not like that.

[59:29] So that's Mr. Ray's testimony.

[59:32] We'll get a hand on customers' bag,

[59:35] most of the traffic in and out will be for employees and people

[59:39] being moved by employees.

[59:44] And additionally, we do have a few exceptions.

[59:46] Also, the front is for partying, for buffering,

[59:49] and location, and for fancy things.

[59:53] So the requirement in the morning is that all parties must be 25 feet from the street and then the district.

[1:00:00] The parking lot, the parking varies from, possibly, 13b to 21 team, along the frontage. Again, there's no room for 0.5 foot, but the parking lot is existing. We are proposing some new shrubs, along the frontage, but not a lot of pockets. So there is also a visibility. And again, being able to work with a plan on vegetation out there, I don't think it will serve any purpose. We're going to go back to site, we took a six, we took a seven, we took a seven, we took a seven, we took a seven, we took a seven,

[1:00:29] anywhere from 5 to 9 feet.

[1:00:42] There's a question about how we'll put in.

[1:00:45] So the main portion of this is that people,

[1:00:48] and the authors will have a key to make sense.

[1:00:51] You also have a plan,

[1:00:53] but essentially, you really have a pattern to be on.

[1:00:57] We're trying to build it,

[1:00:59] and we're okay with what you do.

[1:01:00] We're trying to change your offensive.

[1:01:09] I'm going to put it right here outside of the P.O. Office area.

[1:01:19] Yeah, I was going to ask you what your opinion is on the screening of this.

[1:01:22] Well, you're going to have, do you know if you're going to have it generally?

[1:01:26] I don't feel the P does it generally.

[1:01:27] No generally.

[1:01:27] Okay, so you're not facing the unit.

[1:01:30] It will be AC.

[1:01:30] So you can probably have a mini split like a residential

[1:01:32] for the part of the space.

[1:01:36] Go ahead.

[1:01:36] I'm going to say any questions here, but I'm assuming

[1:01:40] this is going to have a bigger system.

[1:01:42] If that's the case, that might be located in the back,

[1:01:44] or it's closer to the, you know, it's okay.

[1:01:46] It wasn't okay.

[1:01:48] The heat, I'm sorry, no AC to say AC.

[1:01:50] Yeah.

[1:01:51] The board is comfortable with the general layout.

[1:01:54] I think, you know, you can either work it out

[1:01:56] later, or use where I'm sensitive to sound of it because, again, main road, as I like to say,

[1:02:02] is supposed to be a street, is not far away. And I know that it's the merciful thing to explore,

[1:02:08] but then, you know, towards the back. So, I'm just going to be sensitive to residential neighbors.

[1:02:16] Yeah, and it's beyond what we need to know a little bit more about what the English and

[1:02:19] help with the larger portion. We can talk about that, but for the small office, it's definitely

[1:02:24] to be a residential type of unit, so.

[1:02:27] How was that service?

[1:02:28] Is it natural gas?

[1:02:29] I guess, we said.

[1:02:31] So, okay, so you're taking advantage of natural gas

[1:02:33] for heating?

[1:02:35] Yeah, because the noise control, you know, again,

[1:02:39] we could look at that, but it may take a little bit

[1:02:41] to what we just mentioned.

[1:02:43] Yes, we could be screaming at some point.

[1:02:45] Transit and so on.

[1:02:46] We'll have with that.

[1:02:50] Not so much.

[1:02:52] So the intensity was to put a series of catch basins

[1:02:55] in the park parking lot, in gear, and they would have dry bolts associated with them, and

[1:03:00] then you would just charge it to the south side, property, so normally, I know there was some

[1:03:07] comments on it, and here's the board, and you have to work with the board engineers, and the

[1:03:12] care of those, and doing it with the soil testing as you can find it with that.

[1:03:15] Which direction does the work flow now on the property?

[1:03:17] I think generally, so that's a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a property.

[1:03:22] So we'll go back to the cash base, and we'll be in the front, or in the back.

[1:03:25] Yeah, so the site slopes towards the building right now.

[1:03:29] Correct.

[1:03:29] So we're capturing an endless year, there's I have.

[1:03:32] We need three units in the front.

[1:03:34] I will eventually ask Jaren to hear your opinion on that.

[1:03:38] You can.

[1:03:41] Lighting.

[1:03:41] We're proposing three new lights.

[1:03:43] So there's three silly polls.

[1:03:45] The lights on the front.

[1:03:47] Those are going to be replaced completely with new LED lights.

[1:03:49] And potentially, we didn't add a way that he took on the plans, but there are normal

[1:03:56] LED lights shining straight down, nothing angles, and then we're closing also LED canopy

[1:04:03] lights underneath it, that overhang, so they shine straight down as well, and then around

[1:04:07] the building there's the three lights that we're closing, and again, all LED straight down

[1:04:14] of the shoe boxes that shine straight out of it, you know what you're trying to do?

[1:04:18] You know, we'll provide you the bill goes correct.

[1:04:20] And we'll agree to an as bill inspection or adjustment, too?

[1:04:23] Yes, we'll apply that as well.

[1:04:25] There are some exceptions on the lighting.

[1:04:28] So we do have a little bit of spillage.

[1:04:30] And I believe it's just about 10 feet along this commercial property

[1:04:32] here, along this commercial property here,

[1:04:34] of 0.1 foot canals, where I think zero is permitted.

[1:04:38] So we've got to carry the minimize it.

[1:04:40] And then we have spillage along the front-inch here,

[1:04:43] the highest right here at the front-inch inch right away,

[1:04:45] of one foot candle, again, no likely at the proper line.

[1:04:50] I do want to note that we do apply with the U.T. regulations,

[1:04:53] so they allow a maximum stillage of 0.1 foot candles

[1:04:56] at the travel away.

[1:04:59] And again, I think that's acceptable, given that these are

[1:05:01] driveways with traffic coming in.

[1:05:03] And now, to have a little bit more lighting in there.

[1:05:06] Additionally, we are asking for an exception on lighting

[1:05:09] in this rear parking lot.

[1:05:10] So we don't have any light holes in the back.

[1:05:13] Everything's just on the building itself.

[1:05:16] So we're actually shining about half of this parking lot

[1:05:19] with light.

[1:05:20] And then it gets to the parking spaces in the back.

[1:05:22] There is no light.

[1:05:24] Again, it's only for employee vehicles.

[1:05:26] For that.

[1:05:27] I should tell you how to use vehicles.

[1:05:29] It's closer to residential.

[1:05:31] And the clients, OK, with having less light back.

[1:05:34] Sure.

[1:05:35] So if you're nothing, it pulls up.

[1:05:39] And all the light is on the building.

[1:05:40] Everything's going to shine out.

[1:05:44] So, the light source shines down, means that obviously goes out, but you don't see the light itself.

[1:05:50] So, it's perpendicular to the ground like this, so the light comes out, but it does shine at an angle out.

[1:05:56] But when it won't be in this competitive play, I can get you to see the light source.

[1:06:01] Yeah.

[1:06:03] And there is three light bulbs, but they're just in the front here.

[1:06:06] Yeah, no, no.

[1:06:06] I was following up.

[1:06:07] Yeah, in the back, yes.

[1:06:08] It was an answer to the light, so we do have a note that always to be extinguished at 10 o'clock.

[1:06:19] We have to.

[1:06:19] Like we said, either.

[1:06:20] It's a great one.

[1:06:21] You did say, yeah, it takes a plan of shit of 10.

[1:06:25] Well, that was a plan to really clear that up.

[1:06:28] I don't get a penny for really.

[1:06:30] No, no, no.

[1:06:32] We're out there already, I didn't know.

[1:06:35] But for security lighting.

[1:06:38] Security lighting would be motion sensor device.

[1:06:42] So if there's motion, the light will come on.

[1:06:46] So what's the lighting now?

[1:06:49] The perfume for the motion sensor.

[1:06:51] No, no, no, no.

[1:06:51] Can I rate it?

[1:06:53] Yeah, I'm so sorry.

[1:06:55] I guess, I mean, it's kind of problem.

[1:06:58] Or we're asking you.

[1:07:00] Yeah, yeah, it's kind of, let's stay in time.

[1:07:02] That's okay.

[1:07:04] Okay.

[1:07:09] I think the engineers can attestify based on that private conversation with the

[1:07:14] answer.

[1:07:16] So, we were going to stick with what's on the plans and all that's going to be extinguished

[1:07:19] at the TMPM.

[1:07:20] These have to have security lighting, which will be the motion sensor.

[1:07:24] Jim, did you have the question of the question?

[1:07:28] Jim, did you have the question of the motion sensor on the motion?

[1:07:30] So they're off, but if they sense motion, they'll turn off.

[1:07:33] No, my point was there's no point in having

[1:07:34] site lighting in the near clock in a certain time.

[1:07:37] So it's probably better to have 10.

[1:07:43] So we are proposing few signs.

[1:07:46] I know it's not shown on our architectural plans.

[1:07:47] I believe on our art plans, we do show a detail

[1:07:49] of the building mountain sign and the location.

[1:07:52] The sign is some of the landscape and lighting plan.

[1:07:57] I've tried to guess my 26.

[1:07:59] It sounds like there was something home to have

[1:08:02] so that would be placed off at 5-5 a.m.

[1:08:05] Thank you very much.

[1:08:06] You all will be okay, Tom.

[1:08:07] Okay, by the way.

[1:08:26] I'll have

[1:08:30] a great hint of working until the time,

[1:08:33] the building and the free take flight,

[1:08:36] and it will look on the plan,

[1:08:37] You're so fun to find.

[1:08:39] We do.

[1:08:39] We do go for a set of.

[1:08:42] We'll see.

[1:08:43] It's the mic.

[1:08:43] It's the top of the set of the sets of the set of the set of the set of the set of the set.

[1:08:46] But after hitting the microphone, making very good out of the head.

[1:08:50] It's kind of funny.

[1:08:52] And I'm missing something.

[1:08:53] This is the free-skating time.

[1:08:55] What can the top of the oven?

[1:08:58] Above it.

[1:08:58] Oh.

[1:08:59] Oh, it looks like this.

[1:09:00] It looks like this.

[1:09:01] I'm just going to go.

[1:09:04] So it's a 3,525 sign, so it's a very ascending sign square feet, 0.9% of the building facade,

[1:09:11] you're allowed 5% or 100% in the 28 square feet, 70% of the sign.

[1:09:17] So it's going to be lucky and right here over the office, over the window we're going to put on a vertical side of the building.

[1:09:22] So if you're going to have a 13 foot over heading, or if you're going to put a sign, or you're never going to see the sign,

[1:09:29] unless you're standing in front of the building.

[1:09:31] And we have to freeze things.

[1:09:33] Again, there's not a lot of business coming in from the customers.

[1:09:36] Okay, no.

[1:09:40] Okay.

[1:09:41] Well, you know the bottom line.

[1:09:42] Right there entitled to have a sign that they will sign.

[1:09:44] I know I'm not saying that.

[1:09:46] No, I'm okay.

[1:09:48] Can't see it.

[1:09:49] As far as the freeze thing sign,

[1:09:51] I know there's a comment that the sign is over the parking line.

[1:09:55] For what we know it's been there for since the beginning when it was built in.

[1:10:00] 80s, we are proposing to retake it exactly where it is. Again, OT almost impossible to

[1:10:07] have to comply with the sine work and for everything. Sine is given that apart in

[1:10:11] lots of length 13 to 20 feet away from that.

[1:10:13] So I think we heard in this in the garden pretty loud and clear although it's like you

[1:10:18] said it's been there for a while. This is the time to make it right and I understand what

[1:10:22] you're saying but you're saying what I heard is not even on your father. So that can't

[1:10:27] We can't go forward with that kind of sign.

[1:10:31] So I know the planning board can be pretty easy to work with,

[1:10:36] but we can't allow you to have a sign that's not on your property.

[1:10:40] Am I wrong, am I missing anything?

[1:10:41] I mean, I think, I think, I think, again,

[1:10:46] depending on the prices, prices, guidance,

[1:10:48] or on this, you know, I'm showing them notice

[1:10:51] included other benefits.

[1:10:53] So, even if the sign is in the back, it looks to me like I've got five or six pieces.

[1:10:58] I've got five.

[1:10:59] It's still the end of the front.

[1:11:02] And I, you know, have been on the side, and there's really no other place for a sign.

[1:11:06] Other than putting it down below, and then it's going to be a very high pile on the side.

[1:11:11] It's just not okay.

[1:11:12] Real appealing.

[1:11:13] So, I think the locations are good one.

[1:11:15] I think it just, you know, it always sits in expense.

[1:11:18] But if they can shift it back, then it's out of the highway, right away.

[1:11:21] So, we agree. We're okay with pushing you back within the property. Obviously, it's up to the client.

[1:11:28] If you want to spend the money, the other options is to give it a sign altogether.

[1:11:31] So, we do want to get the approval for the look.

[1:11:33] Yeah, we don't want to take that away from it.

[1:11:35] We just want to make sure that if you choose to put it up and you switch the position that makes that.

[1:11:40] And so, I will note that it's a condition and if it needs a variance, then so be it.

[1:11:45] And the claim board is likely to approve such damage.

[1:11:48] Why you need to sign if 98% of the sales go to watch it.

[1:11:56] And you're not trying to generate.

[1:11:59] So I don't know too much about the operations, but I'm assuming there's a certain identification.

[1:12:03] People that come on and say, come on.

[1:12:05] I would hold off for a second.

[1:12:08] I think Mr. Browsky, Mr. Scupack, he'll do the answer if you did.

[1:12:11] The answer was, his own question was,

[1:12:15] site identification is very important.

[1:12:18] For anybody, just you have a truck driving by,

[1:12:21] it's headed to your site, doesn't see a sign

[1:12:22] that keeps on going, and now we have a truck

[1:12:24] that's got to figure it out at each time.

[1:12:26] So, David, I think that answer was good answer, Jim.

[1:12:28] Thank you.

[1:12:28] I would only need any further explanation.

[1:12:30] Please, David.

[1:12:32] Did you have a planner to testify?

[1:12:34] I'm sure the trainer can pick up on, just put in some

[1:12:38] backslams recorder, and we can go to the next stage.

[1:12:42] All right, so Zoning provides a building

[1:12:45] and a compliance with all the zoning full requirements

[1:12:48] with the exception of front yard setback.

[1:12:50] So we are asking for a really 90 feet as required

[1:12:54] for the last 70.5 feet setback.

[1:12:58] Again, the building does have a full piece

[1:13:00] with overhanding, but without the overhanding,

[1:13:02] we'd obviously be further back.

[1:13:05] And that's the planter with testifier later.

[1:13:07] assume he's gonna test by later that the buildings to the north that's

[1:13:10] out there. I actually for close to 206 then we are closing right now.

[1:13:16] Additionally, we're trying to reuse the site so you utilize the parking

[1:13:18] box. It's in the Highlands Preservation Area. I want to limit the

[1:13:21] servants. So we're trying to get the building as close to the parking.

[1:13:26] I'm looking like a true player right there. I'm just saying my P.C. license. And I do want to

[1:13:31] note that to the north side where the residential property was. We are

[1:13:36] Increasing that setback so that was a non-conformary that that house was 12.2 feet away from the

[1:13:42] property line and that would then be 61.9 feet away in full conformist with sideguard.

[1:13:47] I believe that's not certain but I believe that's what I'm looking for.

[1:13:53] Existing water and septic surface when we reused abandoned existing water would be utilized

[1:13:58] I believe there's a man that comes through the middle of the site and then serves all the houses.

[1:14:03] anything that's not being realized will be tapped or eliminated.

[1:14:07] As far as septic, we are keeping the northern septic system.

[1:14:11] The applicant does have an outside control.

[1:14:13] That's what I'm just going to get the approval for that if they haven't already.

[1:14:17] The report professionals, the system to be southeast,

[1:14:21] where we are doing a little bit of grading, is going to be abandoned.

[1:14:25] So that's not going to be utilized anymore.

[1:14:27] Outside of pools, we do have an exemption letter from Morse County Planning Board.

[1:14:32] We have certification for Morris County and soil conservation district, I know there was a question about

[1:14:39] NGOT approval.

[1:14:41] We can go get a letter of no interest.

[1:14:43] So the site will not trigger a DOT approval.

[1:14:46] We're not doing any work within the right away.

[1:14:49] And we're not considered a significant increase in traffic.

[1:14:52] So DOT is classified as anything over 100 trips in a peak hour.

[1:15:00] I think our peak hour will be increasing by 33. So the board is near, so strongly we have no

[1:15:06] we're just going to do a T and getting a letter. I'm sure it's done that. And we did file for an exemption

[1:15:12] or higher than exemption number four, which means that we could disturb within the 125% of the footprint of the current development and not increase

[1:15:20] the purbius by more than a quarter acre, or in purbius is 0.15 acres, and we're breaking

[1:15:26] that out into 25% footprint.

[1:15:29] And on that chart, you've did it, you've submitted it to me, and I agree with your calculations.

[1:15:40] So, do you have any or do you have any objection to my comment about putting

[1:15:46] and observations and on the real purpose.

[1:15:49] Mr. Comofa Constituent.

[1:15:51] Excuse me, can I know about?

[1:15:52] It was.

[1:15:54] I'm sorry, my mistake.

[1:15:55] I thought it was any further going to happen

[1:15:57] back in front of you.

[1:15:59] So what I'm saying is, um,

[1:16:01] I can count at 7.4.

[1:16:03] No additional emergency committees.

[1:16:06] And rather than make this even worse,

[1:16:11] convoluted, I didn't suggest

[1:16:19] I think it would be best for all concerns in that way.

[1:16:24] I don't know if it's an absolute requirement, but that's what I always recommend.

[1:16:28] If I'm sure you accept it before, and if you disagree, feel free to go to the UK instead.

[1:16:45] Would we come back then?

[1:16:47] No way.

[1:16:49] I'm sorry.

[1:16:49] I've never had to do a conservation even because we'd have to go to the Highlands for any future

[1:16:53] development anyway, but the client says he's an agreement with that.

[1:16:57] Yeah, I mean, my understanding is, well, fine, let's go.

[1:17:01] So, thank you.

[1:17:03] What are your health structures?

[1:17:04] Where's that line?

[1:17:05] Go, no.

[1:17:06] We're going to put that.

[1:17:07] Yeah, we can work it out.

[1:17:08] I mean, once you get the exemption, you know, if you want to increase more, if you want

[1:17:13] to come back at a future point and then put more pervious on, that will be another exemption

[1:17:19] and letting clear the issue in the second section.

[1:17:22] But nonetheless, I think the, you know,

[1:17:25] from the rear public lines, the back of the property,

[1:17:28] and perhaps to the,

[1:17:31] you know, we can work it out afterwards

[1:17:34] if the board is agreeable to this,

[1:17:35] you can figure out a line, we can do it so that it's sensible.

[1:17:39] You don't have to, like, you know, draw it every little

[1:17:42] look and cranny of green area behind you.

[1:17:44] No, that's fine.

[1:17:45] I just want to, I'm going to make sure we don't hang up the app.

[1:17:47] if he has a septic issue, he has to rebuild a septic system, which is perfect.

[1:17:51] The septic doesn't count towards the purpose of this task, but for the phosphatiation

[1:17:55] instrument.

[1:17:57] We'll keep that out of the constellations.

[1:18:00] I agree.

[1:18:01] Thank you.

[1:18:01] I think the other thing was the fire length in the back.

[1:18:04] Oh yes.

[1:18:05] And we're okay with adding the fire length to the icing side of the building or the back of the building.

[1:18:11] And we'll agree.

[1:18:12] And we'll agree to submit as built plans.

[1:18:14] Yes, as built plans.

[1:18:15] asked the way.

[1:18:18] I do have architecture unless you want to stop and talk about it in the

[1:18:21] first.

[1:18:22] I had an extra two question. The gentleman from four makes me discuss a little bit of

[1:18:29] buffering on the northern side. Is there going to be any buff? Is there a need for more

[1:18:35] buffering? I'm just trying to follow up with his question. I don't believe something

[1:18:41] We're pushing the building another 50 feet away from the property,

[1:18:44] we're not increasing any of the parking, we're just standing up in the parking

[1:18:47] for a separate property, again, that's fine to the lighting being reduced

[1:18:52] in the back by the residential.

[1:18:56] And we said to the extent that there's an HVAC equipment,

[1:18:58] we'll have the great of that.

[1:19:00] So there might be screening that, like, because you're that.

[1:19:03] My other question, we could go back to parking.

[1:19:06] We haven't mentioned it.

[1:19:08] I don't expect it, but I'm going to ask anyway if the record's

[1:19:10] I don't expect to have any stacked parking on this property.

[1:19:14] Now, this is not a typical argument, argument, argument.

[1:19:16] I understood, but usually it comes up as a concern.

[1:19:19] And just to make sure the applicant understands

[1:19:22] and you as a professional confirmed that there is going to be no parking

[1:19:25] on anything other than the paid surfaces.

[1:19:28] This again, we see that.

[1:19:30] And I understand it's not a traditional car dealer,

[1:19:33] but the last thing you want to see is cars, because now you have a great month

[1:19:37] and now you have all this extra inventory,

[1:19:38] And now you're parking it in the grass.

[1:19:41] That's not going to be allowed, and I just want to make sure

[1:19:45] that everyone here on board with the same concept.

[1:19:48] No step, parking, and no parking, all of them paved areas.

[1:19:54] Yeah, you know what?

[1:19:56] Absolutely.

[1:19:57] I was just thinking with this Leo's point.

[1:19:59] You can work this out again if the board is prettyable.

[1:20:03] You can calculate out if you wish.

[1:20:05] You're maximum to 1.25%.

[1:20:07] because you're not using it up at this point.

[1:20:11] Oh, yes, okay.

[1:20:12] And mark that off.

[1:20:14] And so that would not be in combat by a conservation.

[1:20:17] So there it doesn't.

[1:20:20] I can strain you in the future if you want to go back.

[1:20:22] That makes sense.

[1:20:27] Anybody else, you're okay with us working that out?

[1:20:29] Yeah, absolutely.

[1:20:30] Absolutely.

[1:20:30] Don't think too bad.

[1:20:32] Can I get it?

[1:20:33] I have a question.

[1:20:35] I'm not sure if this is to the applicant or to the attorney.

[1:20:38] Will you be supplying an architect

[1:20:40] this evening. We are not, but I'm hearing loud and clear that we will submit architectural

[1:20:44] plans as a condition of any approval. Okay, because I'd like to echo Dave's concern

[1:20:51] as far as the aesthetic, the look of the facade, pull-bond right there, almost a center of town,

[1:21:02] and if you're going to be presenting Bentley's and Rolls Royce's, I'd kind of like to see

[1:21:07] and you've got to see it up a little bit, maybe.

[1:21:10] Any chance on that?

[1:21:12] I intend on that, yes.

[1:21:14] So it sounds like from the distance,

[1:21:16] the applicant is agreeable to what you just said to him.

[1:21:19] Can you add a question?

[1:21:20] Yeah, a couple of questions Mr. Chairman.

[1:21:22] So just a million.

[1:21:24] Just a quick question.

[1:21:25] The rear overhead door is going out of there.

[1:21:30] It's going to be grass.

[1:21:32] So only for the purpose of ventilation,

[1:21:34] not for bringing vehicles in that.

[1:21:36] That is correct. It's actually elevated where you came and access it from from grade.

[1:21:41] And then comment before about putting a fire away.

[1:21:45] And what would the fire be and would it take up more than the range?

[1:21:47] That's on the, I believe it's on the other side?

[1:21:52] Yes. That's where the fire march to last.

[1:21:55] To pick the one spot when we lose some landscape and all in the building.

[1:22:00] And then my last question is maybe this time is a little bit foolish.

[1:22:03] The assuming is going to be rest room services in the office area or in not to pick it on these

[1:22:09] rooms.

[1:22:11] That is required by code.

[1:22:15] David.

[1:22:16] Yeah.

[1:22:17] I don't want this to slide by.

[1:22:19] Dan asked me a good question.

[1:22:22] The response was, we will focus it on.

[1:22:24] I'd like to know what that means before I go for this.

[1:22:28] I think we're going to.

[1:22:29] I'm concerned that it appears that it's,

[1:22:34] although you're selling what it's out of there,

[1:22:36] it appears that it's not.

[1:22:37] The book is more of a warehouse

[1:22:40] than a water fuel ship.

[1:22:42] And I'm not sure that I'd like to see a warehouse

[1:22:46] book under two other positions next time.

[1:22:49] So I'd like you to try to look at trying to

[1:22:56] make that look like a fuel ship

[1:22:59] And not a warehouse.

[1:23:02] Some degree.

[1:23:02] For Dave, I'm going to disagree with somebody on the other way.

[1:23:06] I'm going to go away.

[1:23:08] If you look at action spawn, OK?

[1:23:11] I go look at that building.

[1:23:13] This looks to be like a larger scale of that type of building.

[1:23:19] How am I sure, Brian?

[1:23:20] I don't see that on the other side.

[1:23:22] I saw a building that looks like this old building.

[1:23:26] Wow, I don't know where it is.

[1:23:27] And we know architectural planes, so how do we know that?

[1:23:31] So we have an overhang, we have a sidewalk

[1:23:35] that's nothing covered by an overhang,

[1:23:39] yes, parking lots, parking lots, parking lots,

[1:23:43] parking lots, parking lots, it doesn't look like.

[1:23:46] And I agree with you, we got to have the on-site.

[1:23:49] But do we end this now and have them come back

[1:23:52] of architecturals or order to be like chubby views,

[1:23:57] you will prove it on the views of the views.

[1:24:00] I don't think that's fair.

[1:24:01] I don't think that's fair.

[1:24:02] Not only that's fair.

[1:24:03] And I think, I think, basically, to wrap it up,

[1:24:06] the attorney clearly said that she's hearing us loud

[1:24:08] and clear that we need our architecturals.

[1:24:11] And so if we, I don't want to necessarily

[1:24:13] stop the application because we're on a good road,

[1:24:16] maybe we can just leave.

[1:24:17] That is an open item to come back with an architecture plan

[1:24:20] And then do what we're doing here just we don't that way we won't need an engineering to come back

[1:24:25] You may not want me to come back. I'm like am I right your pick that way?

[1:24:29] We make a shot can I make an attempt anyway?

[1:24:31] I hear you. We have submitted the architectural plans and what we would propose is to

[1:24:39] The board's discretion either in large. We'll get a plan up in a second

[1:24:42] be there in large the existing windows or add windows and then up to

[1:24:48] journal testifies to how high will maintain that the fake rock veneer

[1:24:53] along the frontage. So as soon as he pulls up our plan we can look at that so

[1:24:58] that would show that will have that that rock right that breaks it up to lose the

[1:25:02] warehouse look and then increased windows. If that's I mean I've seen you know I think

[1:25:07] shutters and maybe something that's not such a commercial door. We're in the

[1:25:14] I'd like to see the architectural level later.

[1:25:18] The great.

[1:25:19] All right, so without spending too much time, I think it's clear.

[1:25:22] You'll come back with our architectural.

[1:25:24] Nice effort.

[1:25:25] Thank you.

[1:25:26] Doesn't work.

[1:25:29] All right.

[1:25:29] So does anybody else have any more questions for the engineer?

[1:25:33] And then would I want to do mic anything?

[1:25:35] Yeah, yes.

[1:25:36] If I could.

[1:25:36] You have plenty of minutes.

[1:25:37] Just go through a couple.

[1:25:38] I think you covered Mr. the comments on my report.

[1:25:44] I'm too afraid to be a suggestion that we hear a little bit of testimonies

[1:25:48] that we're going to be a little bit of a little bit of an important problem on the

[1:25:55] building.

[1:26:00] It's almost like there's a little bit of a little path, so I don't know what to say.

[1:26:14] What about the existing home-outed lights in the front of the building?

[1:26:20] They're coming out and being with us more holes in the lights.

[1:26:30] Are you mean, I guess you're made for the most part, it looks like you're maintaining the existing

[1:26:36] a clear area and you're not really looking what to do with the area, except for the

[1:26:41] exact order if you can need to provide some testimony if I'm not.

[1:26:43] Correct, there's a little bit of vegetation up there you move here, and I thought I'm a fan of

[1:26:48] the leaders like a tree or two by the houses, I should have had some of them fill out,

[1:26:52] and I just went to the last place was it, and then I wanted to roll it in the form that

[1:26:56] will come out as well, and because they're on the plants.

[1:26:59] But for the most part of all the existing wooded area, it's rare to be connected in the

[1:27:06] We did suggest that the site triangle is being considered for the tributons.

[1:27:10] Yeah, we could show that against the OT, which is fiction, but I did it roughly if we

[1:27:17] do per after the site triangle fairly comes on to the site, but that's okay.

[1:27:21] We could show that on that.

[1:27:22] And we did have three or four technical comments regarding the stormwater.

[1:27:27] One being, they provided calculation, but we would like to see it generative.

[1:27:31] that we port and explain the methodology a little bit more, and all likely, we think that

[1:27:40] the stride will probably have to be increased in size to provide additional storage.

[1:27:45] We work with the Apple Consumption here for the rich company,

[1:27:52] and I don't disagree that

[1:27:55] obtaining a letter of no interest from the DOT shouldn't be a heavy lift, so I don't think

[1:28:07] That's, that's really all I have left.

[1:28:09] No problem with those.

[1:28:10] No, it's not.

[1:28:12] Anything else?

[1:28:13] Chuck, yeah.

[1:28:14] I just got that.

[1:28:15] Two questions about the fashion policy.

[1:28:20] All right.

[1:28:20] I don't realize that.

[1:28:21] Is there a new tail of that?

[1:28:23] There should be a last page.

[1:28:26] I know.

[1:28:27] I think the board is here as for self-latching gates.

[1:28:29] We're okay with that.

[1:28:30] I see.

[1:28:31] And just a question then.

[1:28:32] about that. If you know, this is going to be the typical kind of dumpster, if this will be,

[1:28:42] I don't know, what the right way to say it, but with overhead, thank you by truck will pull

[1:28:46] down, lift it up, and dump it in truck. All right. So, I just a truck to get out of there.

[1:28:52] We'll have to back off the driver. Yep, that will back up and then come back.

[1:28:58] The other option is obviously, I mean, you've got, that means the garbage truck is backing off

[1:29:03] drive way. And people, you know, it sounds like it's not going to be a busy site. But

[1:29:08] we've got people coming in a lot. The highway right there.

[1:29:10] Yeah, I mean, the other option is depending on what's back here. The tow trucks are there during the day,

[1:29:14] which doesn't suit them. They're out picking up vehicles. The truck to make this a turn back there as well.

[1:29:20] Yeah, I was really, if there's no, if there's nothing more space.

[1:29:24] Yeah. And typically, refugees usually come early in the morning.

[1:29:28] It's just not an ideal situation to have the back back to back up the driveway, but particularly when you're in.

[1:29:35] I'm not sure exactly if it's a front loader or a rear loader, I mean if it's a rear loader to pull in here and back into the back and pick it up.

[1:29:42] So that's an opportunity that we could make that request.

[1:29:48] Aren't you still backing up?

[1:29:50] Yeah, but you're not backing me into the traffic.

[1:29:59] It's just not a busy site.

[1:30:00] And I don't think it's going to have a lot of garbage either. I mean, you're not having stuff off the vehicles as far as plastic and materials boxes for parks and service.

[1:30:08] Really all the trash that's going to be collected is for the office area.

[1:30:12] So actually, might be a little overkill as well. Could probably be done with cans.

[1:30:16] I was just wondering.

[1:30:18] If it's a thousand split-view office, there's going to be a few hundred bucks.

[1:30:25] But, for some sort of work, a bunch of one.

[1:30:27] Okay.

[1:30:28] So, the app is a spacecraft, so you want them to have scans and want them to have

[1:30:31] stumps first.

[1:30:33] All right.

[1:30:33] I'm sorry.

[1:30:34] I didn't know.

[1:30:34] So, at his current site that he has.

[1:30:37] Yes.

[1:30:37] Two sites.

[1:30:38] One of them has scans and want them to have stumps first.

[1:30:40] Well, either way, a truck's going to have to get in a pit from off.

[1:30:43] Correct.

[1:30:43] You don't want cans sitting in front of the boat.

[1:30:45] I'm sure.

[1:30:46] So, just.

[1:30:50] You limited in terms of what you can do in terms of the purpose.

[1:30:54] You're not suggesting more drivers.

[1:30:59] If the testimony is that the majority of the activity on the site is going to be wholesale

[1:31:06] related, as opposed to the public coming in and out, that makes it a little more complicated,

[1:31:13] but yeah.

[1:31:18] So then we're not going to request any action taken, then.

[1:31:22] Not many options there.

[1:31:23] Not many.

[1:31:24] You know, it'll be on just the right.

[1:31:27] I mean, sit to your site.

[1:31:28] You're going to have to make sure it function safely.

[1:31:31] No one.

[1:31:31] I don't want anybody hurt.

[1:31:34] And I guess we have to leave it that way.

[1:31:37] Okay.

[1:31:37] Anything else?

[1:31:39] At this point, then let me open it to the public, if anybody has any subject

[1:31:42] for the engineer based on the testimony that he delivered this evening.

[1:31:46] That will be a very good time.

[1:31:49] No.

[1:31:49] Go over to the microphone, Mr. Davis.

[1:31:51] All right.

[1:31:52] John Davis Jr. 12th Main Street, the property, to your east, I'm on the back of your building,

[1:32:00] the whole length of land back there. I find that as the after on the south side, at the restaurant.

[1:32:07] I'm concerned, tall down hill there, all the water currently runs through that property through my property.

[1:32:14] It's digging streams right now, and it's gotten worse since the construction across the highway has been going on.

[1:32:20] So the water's crossing over, going down in the parking lots, running into the backyard.

[1:32:26] Actually, into the back of 12 Main Street, behind the other fellas, how else?

[1:32:31] Not reaching his.

[1:32:31] But mine, my lot 12, goes way behind the after and everything else.

[1:32:35] All that water runs down into the backyard of 12 Main Street.

[1:32:40] And that's my concern.

[1:32:41] My father's concern was that also, along with the construction across the highway at the new

[1:32:46] water's coming across the highway, doing the pouring rainstorms late. There's no

[1:32:50] drains in 206. So that's going to be addressed in, I guess, this current

[1:32:56] mud. So that's the concern we have with the water flow. It's currently coming out

[1:33:01] of the south east corner, flowing out of that plan there and flowing right through

[1:33:08] that property into my property. Just missing the afters property, catching the

[1:33:14] of it a little bit. Most of it's some property. It means the water, the water, drainage.

[1:33:20] Do you have a question for you? That was the question. What are we going to do if that water

[1:33:24] as it is going to get drained into that profit? It's going to continue to be drained that way

[1:33:29] or is it going to be rerouted or some kind of pit put in? I'm not sure because it's all downhill

[1:33:35] to my land at that point and it's flowing that way. Everything's flowing that way.

[1:33:39] I could tell where they testified it, but yeah, I could touch on that.

[1:33:43] And I don't think most of the orders coming from this particular lot is like I said a lot

[1:33:47] of it's crossing the highway.

[1:33:48] I've been at the downpours last couple of weeks watching it filming it and getting ready

[1:33:52] to present that time we talk about the war across the street, but yeah.

[1:33:59] So currently how the site is situated, there's no drainage on the site, there's no way

[1:34:03] to let us out.

[1:34:04] Everything comes and goes straight to the back.

[1:34:06] Actually with this development, we are putting the building and raising the building.

[1:34:10] So we're actually creating a low spot in front of the building so we're very

[1:34:16] capture the water with a series of inlets and piping and then put it on a ground and drywall, but

[1:34:21] he's still in contact with it.

[1:34:22] I'll pick up a lot of what's going on.

[1:34:24] That's good.

[1:34:25] That's good.

[1:34:26] You're doing that to prevent more water going back yard, that's great.

[1:34:32] And for the time, I expect these people to make a nice thing out of a property that's sitting

[1:34:36] breaking for a long time. I think it's great. I hope you folks work well at that. Thank you.

[1:34:42] Thank you.

[1:34:42] Mr. Davis, do you have anything else that you want to add to your sense?

[1:34:45] Does it work?

[1:34:46] I got to stop the water from coming from the water cross the street.

[1:34:50] This thought he's going to, it's coming from across the street.

[1:34:53] When it raised the highway years ago, they've never put it, they've raised it up high enough for that.

[1:34:58] Both my time.

[1:35:01] What we can do is make this property the best if it's coming from another property.

[1:35:06] It might be a passage to my property on a back corner.

[1:35:09] So this particular property sounds like the engine is going to put in a series of elements.

[1:35:14] To capture the water from going from this property beyond.

[1:35:19] Thank you, Captain.

[1:35:20] You're going to get a lot of water coming down the island.

[1:35:24] If they can stop that, you can come to the shore.

[1:35:27] You heard our engineers saying they're going to recalculate those calculations, and they're going to redo the figures to make sure that they can account for the water.

[1:35:34] So, it sounds like we're on it.

[1:35:36] But it's a family now, since it's been, we cut away so much success.

[1:35:41] And I'm going to hold the power about that, and make it to slide in.

[1:35:45] And please, he's a easy contact, I guess, engineer.

[1:35:48] And he's supposed to be taking care of it.

[1:35:51] That's our construction.

[1:35:53] He's been out there.

[1:35:56] I have no problem with the deal with this happening, just keep the water running.

[1:36:02] Sounds like they're on a jump.

[1:36:03] Thank you.

[1:36:04] Anybody else from the public?

[1:36:06] Sir, please, if you come up, you'll see your name for the record.

[1:36:11] Scott, you little four main street.

[1:36:13] I just had a couple of quick questions.

[1:36:16] One is just the lighting, the floods, the security lighting.

[1:36:20] Like my daughter's bedroom is in the back.

[1:36:22] So when they do go off the motion sensors,

[1:36:25] Are they going to be bright shining towards I know I appreciate that you mentioned that there's going to be a greater

[1:36:30] easement between the property you mentioned to the 61 feet, but will that light be shining?

[1:36:36] Because I know those are meant to to track which I appreciate. I just want to make sure that

[1:36:42] Right, so your property here. There is no light that comes off over the property line. Okay, I think it's contained on to the property

[1:36:48] Okay, and then you want to come on and they won't be on for long. You're there on for a minute or two

[1:36:53] Okay, and my other thing is just, I know that I don't see it on the site, but I know that your property owns the property that's next to mine.

[1:37:03] It's a strip that is attached to this property.

[1:37:07] It's a, it's a, it gets originally a subdivision.

[1:37:09] That's not one of this application.

[1:37:11] What's that?

[1:37:11] I know the like.

[1:37:12] Okay, it's just never maintained.

[1:37:14] And I know that's the ownership here, so just an honor of good.

[1:37:17] I know you call me all the time.

[1:37:18] That's just, they have their new owners, they will have to maintain it, absolutely.

[1:37:23] Okay, I appreciate it.

[1:37:24] Thank you.

[1:37:25] And then just looking at some of the, as you're building, just looking at some of the trees on the property,

[1:37:31] we had one fall from that property into our house a few years ago, so just to do diligence

[1:37:39] and check the safety of some of the trees on the property as you're building.

[1:37:42] I think what we'll do is that.

[1:37:45] Sure, I think, you know, I know that's a question to the applicant, but I think what I'm

[1:37:49] going to suggest, again, this is a pool, there'll be a pre-construction meeting, and we're

[1:37:53] going to do a sidewalk on that lot, going out to Maine with their professionals.

[1:38:00] So we're real clear about, you know, the grass has to take a cut, the trees have to come

[1:38:05] and I know the trees are on the fences and stuff. I know that. So now we have

[1:38:09] Pretty new owner, and we'll walk this cycle and make sure everything is cleaned up in fact appreciate you know what I'm going to walk this

[1:38:15] Thank you. No, I appreciate it. Thank you. It's just for safety of the kids. They play back there all the time and so I appreciate it

[1:38:24] And I appreciate that something's being done with that lot because it's been it's been vacant. Thank you

[1:38:29] Thank you anybody else from the public have any question for the engineer. I see nothing from the public

[1:38:41] So instead of Mr. Clinton, we've got the man himself, John McDonough.

[1:38:45] We can him sneak in the last minute.

[1:38:49] He served him in the first way or not.

[1:38:52] Yes, they did.

[1:38:55] Sure, everyone, John McDonough, MC capital D-O-N, O-U-G-H,

[1:39:00] on the project planner.

[1:39:02] And also, don't bother.

[1:39:04] Anybody have any questions that you can serve

[1:39:06] for Mr. Dundab?

[1:39:06] We're going to accept John as the plan

[1:39:08] as a unique year of licensing scope, sir.

[1:39:11] It is. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[1:39:13] As Mr. McDonough just walked in,

[1:39:14] I'm just going to say what we agreed to tonight

[1:39:16] is that the sign instead of crossing over

[1:39:20] into the right of way is going to be pushed back

[1:39:22] so that there's a five-foot buffer

[1:39:24] from the property line.

[1:39:26] Understood.

[1:39:26] So we'll need to relief from that.

[1:39:28] Gotcha. Thank you.

[1:39:30] You're welcome.

[1:39:30] Take it away. Okay, so I'd like to lead off with just showing how well this development is going to integrate with the site itself.

[1:39:38] We've brought just a couple pictures that will go through quickly with the board.

[1:39:41] I think there are a lot of similarities between this application and the line case, which is sort of a textbook case for C1 hardship.

[1:39:50] But that case involved a swimming pool, well for a simple application, that was found to be

[1:39:56] of ordinary size.

[1:39:58] The relief was for the pool in the setback.

[1:40:02] The pool was moved into the setback to avoid sensitive lands, which is similar to what we

[1:40:07] have here.

[1:40:07] Harchup was found to be based on the land and not the building or the development or the structure

[1:40:12] per se.

[1:40:13] I think the board can find that as well, and I'll use these exhibits to show it.

[1:40:18] John, if you're going to give us one big package of sum, we can call that A3.

[1:40:22] Sure, A3 is going to be, I think it's four or five, four photographs.

[1:40:27] So let's do like we've done before A3-1-2.

[1:40:30] Gotcha.

[1:40:33] How many images, John?

[1:40:33] Five.

[1:40:34] There's four.

[1:40:37] Thank you.

[1:40:38] One.

[1:40:39] A3-2.

[1:40:41] I got two, John.

[1:40:42] Okay.

[1:40:43] We're going to keep that a week each day.

[1:40:46] And that should be best for these folks who are picking yesterday, so they're fresh.

[1:40:51] I'm just like a string.

[1:40:53] There you go.

[1:40:56] All right.

[1:41:13] So just by way of summary of the salient planning points here in the application,

[1:41:18] and you just heard the testimony of the witnesses before me,

[1:41:20] so I won't delve into detail.

[1:41:23] It's a single tax lot, block 5401, lock 29,

[1:41:26] and it's just a little less than two and a half acres.

[1:41:28] And then you can see here in this first frame A3-1,

[1:41:33] which is a view pointing sort of northbound on 206.

[1:41:36] We'll say it's looking northeast.

[1:41:38] You can see the four empty buildings,

[1:41:41] the parking lot in the front.

[1:41:43] We are looking at relief here as the front setback,

[1:41:46] The proposed building is essentially going to be nestled into a green area where the four buildings are

[1:41:53] Slightly closer to the road than where those existing building line is established, but as you can see

[1:41:59] Not nearly as close to the street line as the building that would be immediately to the north, and that's the office building

[1:42:06] And then if we pan to the second view, which would be a three dash two

[1:42:11] So, depending more to the southeast, you can see that we've got the if the restaurant, which

[1:42:17] is also closer to the road than the subject development is going to be.

[1:42:23] So, while we're looking for relief related to, again, the positioning of the building, not the

[1:42:28] size of the building per se, there is a basis for that relief by virtue of the fact that this

[1:42:33] is not going to look at a place as an infill development, considering what's around it in

[1:42:38] building's closer. Again, the overall building coverage is going to comply, the

[1:42:43] lot coverage is going to comply, the building height, the flow area, and no relief

[1:42:47] has to the size of the building. It's just the positioning of the building at the

[1:42:51] applicant is looking for the relief. Again, as an infill development, we think

[1:42:55] there's good compatibility there. The third view frame A3-3 is if you're looking

[1:43:03] west to the developing property across the street. And again, you get a sense of

[1:43:07] massive scale of that compared to the subject, and again, the beautiful landscape that

[1:43:12] defines your town, the rugged terrain, and the wrap around the effect of that buffering.

[1:43:18] And then finally, the last view is a top-down view sort of a plan view of existing conditions,

[1:43:23] which you've seen from Mr. Manilio's plan A3-4, about the four buildings, the new building

[1:43:30] will situate behind that parking area. Essentially, working the building into what's already

[1:43:37] there. We know we're renovating or modifying that parking area, but essentially working with

[1:43:44] the front parking area where it is, working with the back parking area where it is, and

[1:43:49] nestling that building in the front. So that all goes towards that C1 hardship criteria as

[1:43:55] relief related to the land, related to the structures that are lawfully existing there on. And

[1:44:01] you think that the board can find legitimate practical difficulties with respect to a retrofit

[1:44:06] reconstruction of a developed site and not wholesale new construction all together.

[1:44:11] The parking areas are there, they're being modified, but the building position is based

[1:44:15] on same.

[1:44:16] There are the woodlands to the rear, I'll call those sensitive lands, which is similar

[1:44:21] or what we saw in the land case.

[1:44:22] That dealt with slopes, staying away from slopes.

[1:44:25] Here keeping the building forward deals with preserving woodlands or wooded areas in

[1:44:31] the back.

[1:44:32] And with that I would say we're by relief relates to the land.

[1:44:35] and the structures, roughly there on, there's a basis for a hardship.

[1:44:39] That would go towards the positive criteria.

[1:44:42] With respect to the negative criteria, I believe based on the evidence we've given you here.

[1:44:47] Setback relief can be granted without substantial detriment to the public or impairment to the zone.

[1:44:52] The building is no closer than those buildings that flank it.

[1:44:55] The relief relates to this 14 foot overhang that you heard about.

[1:45:00] The building core is actually set back at 85.4 feet, which gets us closer to that 90 foot mark that's required by the ordinance.

[1:45:09] And then the project is also going to move closer to the zone scheme to the extent that a non-conforming sidewalk setback is going to be eliminated.

[1:45:18] With that, I would offer that the C2 test. C1 test is met here. The board may find there's an element of C2 as a better alternative with a permitted use.

[1:45:28] a clean reuse of the site in a highland preservation area and the benefit of saving trees and

[1:45:35] positioning the building in the form of a retrofit as opposed to wholesale new construction,

[1:45:40] the board may find that it's a better zoning alternative as well, but I think the strong

[1:45:44] basis for relief is under C1 here. There are some design exceptions which I won't go through

[1:45:51] in detail unless the board wants me to. I know the rationale for all of them were hit by

[1:45:56] Mr. Manilio before me, with respect to their reasonableness and appropriateness under the law.

[1:46:03] And strict or literal enforcement of the standards here, I think, would be impracticable,

[1:46:10] or sort of no practical planning purpose.

[1:46:12] We're looking for parking dimensions, lighting, parking location, and some buffering, again,

[1:46:19] working with the land that is presently there.

[1:46:23] I just heard about the relief related to the science set back as well and we think that's a better zoning alternative for clear and safe identification of the site as well and we think the board can fold that into the overall approval.

[1:46:36] With that, I would offer based on all the testimony, the criteria are met.

[1:46:39] This is going to be a nice repurposing of a site along the corridor 206 that could use some help.

[1:46:45] It's going to improve its image, it's going to add some vitality and we think that's a good thing from a planning standpoint.

[1:46:53] Do you have any questions from us on the phone?

[1:46:55] No, and I agree.

[1:46:57] I just want to ask what I mean.

[1:46:59] I don't really agree.

[1:47:02] Thank you.

[1:47:03] I want to understand what you see.

[1:47:04] One question.

[1:47:06] A little part of the joke.

[1:47:08] And given the fact that this is in the preservation area of the Highlands,

[1:47:12] they really are constrained.

[1:47:13] And I think my biggest and nice,

[1:47:15] or use of the existing property subject to clean up the look of the building.

[1:47:22] I think that would be great.

[1:47:24] But that is to redesign the building to make it a little more appealing as was mentioned earlier.

[1:47:30] But I do that.

[1:47:31] And at the start of the signed building, it won't be the ordinance standards for setback,

[1:47:38] but it certainly includes a situation which is not a desirable,

[1:47:43] It's from the fault of this current.

[1:47:47] Thank you.

[1:47:47] Anybody from the play?

[1:47:48] Any questions from Mr. McDonald?

[1:47:50] Anybody from the public have any questions for the testimony that Mr. McDonald just gave?

[1:47:55] And I see nothing from the public.

[1:47:57] John Thanks for being so efficient and quick and efficient.

[1:48:00] Thanks.

[1:48:02] Mr. McDonald.

[1:48:03] That's our testimony for tonight, so I guess I understand that you want us to come back

[1:48:07] for the architectural plans, but just the architecture.

[1:48:09] Yeah, and I think I think that's okay. I think if you just bring your architect or plans

[1:48:14] I don't think we're going to be here for ready to make it more planner.

[1:48:18] We'll keep your location and make sure that you're on first.

[1:48:21] I'm okay not to bring them there.

[1:48:23] I believe so.

[1:48:25] We don't need to hear from the panel or the entire game.

[1:48:27] We're simply going to talk and go over the architecturals.

[1:48:31] Great.

[1:48:31] And I'd ask that we'd be carried without further notice to the next.

[1:48:34] I think that's fine.

[1:48:35] One question.

[1:48:37] Was there any tree removal a part of the application?

[1:48:41] No, there's right in the year test by earlier.

[1:48:46] There's almost no trees.

[1:48:48] And there is a tree in the front which came down there.

[1:48:52] So they're using pretty much the existing developed site.

[1:48:58] I don't think it's that.

[1:48:59] But it's certainly no tree removal when you place the climate to tree.

[1:49:04] So that being said, Mary can afford a couple of dates for this application to come back

[1:49:10] and it will be, well, it'll be quick because yeah, I'm playing with that on that Mary's

[1:49:15] like I can play with it.

[1:49:18] Sir, we're ace and for every 15 or our next meetings, we haven't scheduled anything yet.

[1:49:22] We have a couple of applications, one of which we'll be ready for February.

[1:49:27] We're leaning towards a 15, give us time.

[1:49:30] Does that work for you?

[1:49:34] So let's re-schedule this for February 15th, 7 o'clock PM in this room.

[1:49:38] No further notice of these concerns.

[1:49:40] There when we put these gended together, let's make sure this applicant is full.

[1:49:45] Oh, no.

[1:49:46] We're going to get you by the plan.

[1:49:48] That's a location of the time.

[1:49:51] Do you want to do that?

[1:49:52] Do you want to sign?

[1:49:53] All right.

[1:49:54] Well, you're moving the sign.

[1:49:55] I think there's my plans to show a number of things, the moving the sign, the pre-sanded

[1:50:01] sign back, and the lighting details and so on, if we can get it for the 15th, how would we

[1:50:07] great?

[1:50:07] Or not.

[1:50:09] But the engineer did not, it didn't just get into an architectural, possibly.

[1:50:15] The site plan is approved, the site plan is going to be revosted.

[1:50:20] The testimony of our 15 is limited just to be our contact regarding the building.

[1:50:27] Do you want any problem all with normally those were visions that are requested happen

[1:50:35] post-approved?

[1:50:36] Right.

[1:50:37] But since you're moving the sign there wasn't sure if there were any clues, some things

[1:50:41] are shallows where the sign is going.

[1:50:43] But probably we'll show up on the revised sign.

[1:50:45] I mean, I believe the sign is going to be essentially the same old page and just

[1:50:50] shift the back five to six feet, whatever it takes to get it on the

[1:50:54] ground. Okay. That's fine.

[1:50:57] And you can see the photo in the report. You're out there doing know that it's

[1:51:02] in the right. But they want to put the end of the year was not coming back. So

[1:51:06] that's just to make it. So let's do this before we, before we break

[1:51:09] in it, let me get a motion from the planning board to allow our attorney to

[1:51:13] of deregulation, of approval, pending,

[1:51:18] offending approval based on testimony that way we can keep

[1:51:21] people moving for it.

[1:51:22] Thank you.

[1:51:23] Second.

[1:51:24] Second.

[1:51:25] What is that act on?

[1:51:27] If you're not approving it, if you're not doing anything,

[1:51:29] you're just authorizing me to draft an advance

[1:51:32] and approving our solution.

[1:51:34] You're not voting on the application at all.

[1:51:37] If you don't want to know about it.

[1:51:38] And I'm just able to just come back with the right

[1:51:40] to our contextual for the next meeting.

[1:51:41] Okay, can we send me a second date any questions?

[1:51:45] Other comments?

[1:51:46] May I let you a roll call on that?

[1:51:49] Yes.

[1:51:50] Yes.

[1:51:50] Brian chapter.

[1:51:52] Yes.

[1:51:52] Ken for us out?

[1:51:53] Ken for us.

[1:51:55] Kevin is busy.

[1:51:56] Dominion.

[1:51:57] Yes.

[1:51:58] In Wilson?

[1:51:59] Yes.

[1:52:00] William Gallo?

[1:52:00] Yes.

[1:52:02] Arthur, we'll see you again on the 15th.

[1:52:04] Thank you.

[1:52:05] Thank you.

[1:52:09] We're going to take the bubble to seal that nine to five to take fifty-one as a judge for nine minutes.

[1:59:41] I just got a little bit of a bit smaller than the one I've got in the middle of the night.

[1:59:48] I've got a little bit smaller than the one I've got in the middle of the night.

[1:59:52] I think it's been a long time.

[1:59:54] Yeah, okay.

[1:59:55] I'm really happy.

[1:59:56] I just didn't see a lot of the one.

[1:59:57] I just want to get to know what's going on.

[1:59:58] I just had a lot of time to break it.

[2:00:08] We're going to get a little ahead of schedule here with you. Let's bring the meeting back to order. We're going to move on to our final development

[2:00:17] mental application, even, which is PB23-13, Low Stone Center, LLC, here for an amended

[2:00:26] preliminary site plan, section 22, final site plan section 1, 20 international drive

[2:00:34] south property is, it's block 4100, block 9.011. Gentlemen, welcome, thanks for being patient.

[2:00:43] tonight.

[2:00:44] Do we have a choice Mr. Chairman?

[2:00:47] I think we'll be patient.

[2:00:48] No.

[2:00:48] We were.

[2:00:49] All right.

[2:00:50] Let me turn it over to you.

[2:00:52] All right.

[2:00:52] Take a please the board.

[2:00:53] My name is Jim Stoll, STAAHL.

[2:00:55] The Furman Forest School and the Folie Banyol Highman Stoll in North

[2:00:59] Frederick, New Jersey, representing Lowes Home Center.

[2:01:02] Mary, we have the jurisdiction.

[2:01:05] The notice is no.

[2:01:06] Yes.

[2:01:06] Thank you very much.

[2:01:08] I have one witness as young men to my left and a further.

[2:01:12] other questions I have additional witness, but she may not be needed. Kevin wants you to

[2:01:18] stand and raise your right hand please.

[2:01:21] Do you swear from let the testimony you're about to give the spores of the truth the

[2:01:23] whole truth and nothing but the truth?

[2:01:25] I did.

[2:01:25] Please state your name.

[2:01:26] It's for your last further.

[2:01:27] Kevin Bolzer, last name of the ULGER.

[2:01:30] I work for the firm of Harry Ampatrella Architects, sort of Parkwood's New Jersey.

[2:01:34] We serve as architect of record for lows in the regional area, by way of qualification

[2:01:39] I'm a licensed landscape architect, I'm a licensed planner in the state of New Jersey,

[2:01:43] I'm a AACP certification master's of city and regional planning from Rutgers,

[2:01:48] bachelor's from Rutgers as well.

[2:01:50] That's the five probably over 100 different municipalities in New Jersey.

[2:01:54] My life, my licenses are currently going to be good standing.

[2:01:56] Thank you, Kevin. Have you been here before?

[2:01:59] I want to say, perhaps.

[2:02:00] I'm going to welcome you back.

[2:02:02] Well, thanks, I have a question.

[2:02:03] I think I did have a problem with evidence of personal architecture.

[2:02:06] I have a question, Jim.

[2:02:08] Yes, sir.

[2:02:09] Thank you.

[2:02:10] Thank you.

[2:02:11] That's the important thing.

[2:02:13] Mr. Chairman, he's really satisfying as a representative of Lowe's.

[2:02:19] It's not giving us any professional testimony unless it is deemed necessary.

[2:02:24] No, I don't know if it necessarily just thought he was qualifying himself as a professional.

[2:02:27] Yes.

[2:02:28] I have a question.

[2:02:29] And the answer to it already, if you have a representative from Lowe's here, all right, so before we get started, and I know this is the last thing you want to hear, but I have a question, sir.

[2:02:41] You've been around a long time, the process.

[2:02:44] Yes.

[2:02:44] As you know, the process is you come to the planning work, you get approval, you make the presentation, and then the planning work grants such approval, then you do the work.

[2:02:52] Well, here's what happened, you did the work, you did it all, now you're coming to us for

[2:02:59] approval, you're basically tying our hands, I'm going to even say you're wasting my time

[2:03:05] because there's not a damn thing I can do about this and you're not some small mom and

[2:03:09] pop.

[2:03:10] So how does loads get in the position to do all of this work without any approval and now come

[2:03:16] in and ask me for approval?

[2:03:18] I don't appreciate it, as you can tell, by my tone, which is changing, I don't appreciate it.

[2:03:24] So tell me what happened, that you folks decided to do the work, because what annoys me even more,

[2:03:30] and it's got nothing to do with you, Kevin, to apologize, you know, we're jumping on your back,

[2:03:34] but Lose has been a pain in our butts for years, every time there's a problem, they tell us we'll make it better.

[2:03:40] We'll make it better, when I complained last time to Lose about trucks and the park a lot,

[2:03:44] Things generally came up from the property, we're going to be better, we're going to do it right

[2:03:48] and then you do the work without any approvals, and so you're a big company.

[2:03:53] What happened?

[2:03:54] That did that.

[2:03:55] The truck everything is still there.

[2:03:57] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Kevin is.

[2:04:00] Kevin, have any of these folks explain that?

[2:04:02] I'm in a very unique position to answer your question.

[2:04:06] I had worked directly for lowest for over 12 years,

[2:04:09] doing new store developments in these type of applications.

[2:04:12] I have since been a consultant for Lowe's for the last 10 years doing this clean up work.

[2:04:18] I'm currently working on it over a dozen different projects like this.

[2:04:22] So I understand exactly where you're coming from.

[2:04:24] I have to answer these questions all the time.

[2:04:26] I'm putting in the position of trying to reconcile what's going on currently with what was approved.

[2:04:32] For better or for worse, I seem to be the best person available to do that on a regular basis.

[2:04:37] And I'm going to do my best to try to reconcile that for you in the board tonight.

[2:04:43] So to answer your question,

[2:04:47] if I give my testimony and I go through it, it'll be a better

[2:04:50] way to answer that question, and the two first things that I'm going to address will

[2:04:55] answer your question.

[2:04:56] So if you want me to start, I'll do it that way.

[2:04:57] I hope so, because he's got 10 or 12 of their phones at hand, but it seems that this

[2:05:05] this is the way those homoids. That is their standard operating procedure.

[2:05:10] Both of those through.

[2:05:12] And then you're right, this is the second, third time that we've had this happen.

[2:05:23] Most marches to their own drum. It's a chuck and I deal with this all the time violations, violations, violations we don't know.

[2:05:31] And so if this is it's almost like let's use your to ask for forgiveness and it is for permission and as the chairman

[2:05:37] I don't want to hear it as my fact I said I'm a volunteer

[2:05:41] I don't even want to hear this application. I don't even know for a loud

[2:05:45] What is the purpose?

[2:05:47] There's no one for example. What's what's there to be gained?

[2:05:51] Where's what's that?

[2:05:54] We do have a low-store manager here answer questions. I think this is to go above low-store manager

[2:06:01] This needs to go to the corporate, because they're obviously doing it wrong and they're doing it wrong and 10-12 other locations

[2:06:09] And we waste our time

[2:06:11] Well, that's not entirely fair

[2:06:15] I would like an opportunity a very quick opportunity to explain

[2:06:18] He just testified that he's got 10-12 other applications and other townships that he's got and will come in the box

[2:06:25] Okay, don't tell me it's not fair to disdain

[2:06:30] What I'm saying is not fair. We're dealing with this particular site right now. I don't, you know, we haven't

[2:06:36] get it to the way they operate. I understand. That's what they're testifying to. It's the way

[2:06:41] loads operate. It's their standard operating procedure.

[2:06:47] I wouldn't say it's their standard operating

[2:06:49] procedure. They have to make it twice. You make it 12 times. At a 2000 stores, I'm working on 12.

[2:07:00] That's you. There's probably 15 of you all over the country.

[2:07:04] There isn't, but.

[2:07:07] Before you say anything, Mr. Bryce, if it was just this, I would make my comment and let's move on.

[2:07:14] But when I look at lowest development overall, if it's not garbage in the back, if it's not illegal truck parking in the front,

[2:07:21] it is non-stop violations with a snub to the planning board.

[2:07:26] And I'm tired of it. And that's why I'm going to ask my attorney in one second,

[2:07:29] Do we have to hear this? Why do I have to hear this?

[2:07:32] You do Mr. Chairman, they have to vote the Board's jurisdiction to review amendments to their safe plan.

[2:07:39] It's all within the Board's jurisdiction to do so.

[2:07:43] Certainly, they have still remaining obligation to establish to the Board's satisfaction that the proposed,

[2:07:52] to now perhaps build out modifications,

[2:07:57] or to the standards and requirements of our site plan

[2:08:01] worth it.

[2:08:03] So it is within the jurisdiction that

[2:08:05] the Board should proceed to hear the application.

[2:08:09] Well, that being said, there's a ton of notes

[2:08:11] to Kevin, I hope you're ready to respond to your questions.

[2:08:13] Sure.

[2:08:14] I've knocked up just before it, so I'm ready to go.

[2:08:16] I'm ready to go.

[2:08:16] Turn it over to you because I'm told I have to.

[2:08:19] I'm ready to go.

[2:08:19] Thank you for hearing us.

[2:08:21] So as mentioned, the first thing we had to do was try to reconcile the existing conditions

[2:08:27] with the approved plan.

[2:08:30] And Mr. Garretty is from the 40, his first two comments were about how we came

[2:08:33] about with the number of parking spaces, and as well as number of cars for us.

[2:08:39] So what I had to work with was the original plan.

[2:08:42] Back from 2000.

[2:08:44] There was a minute plan of 2007, and there was another minute plan in 2018.

[2:08:48] And it traveled as plans put it together and tried to make sense.

[2:08:52] So I went out on site, and I first went out there and expected it, and this plan we have

[2:08:57] right now accurately reflects all of the existing conditions we're going to parking a

[2:09:03] lot, a number of spaces and so forth and what happened.

[2:09:05] And there was a discrepancy in the number of spaces now as there was from the original approval

[2:09:10] thereafter.

[2:09:12] And I can explain some of the discrepancy in all of them, but I can explain some of them.

[2:09:17] During the course of the last few years or so,

[2:09:21] Lowes will restrain the parking lot.

[2:09:23] That's part of maintenance and so forth, whatever.

[2:09:26] Sometimes they'll be paid and then they'll restrain.

[2:09:28] And then when they restrain, they don't need to restrain accurately.

[2:09:32] The last time they restrain, they added some additional parking spaces,

[2:09:38] specific type of parking spaces that cater more towards the customer.

[2:09:42] The biggest one was they could handle parking for contractors.

[2:09:46] So instead of having your normal 9x18 or 10x20 parking space, you now have a 11 foot wide by 40 foot wide angle parking space.

[2:09:55] So it takes 16 parking spaces to convert it to 3.

[2:09:59] So right there you lose 13 parking spaces.

[2:10:02] They also created some customer pickup spaces, and you have striping in there.

[2:10:07] And it takes eight spaces to create six spaces.

[2:10:10] So as you can see, as part of some of the restriping itself for,

[2:10:13] There's a discrepancy in the parking, and it was a number of parking spaces.

[2:10:17] So that does explain some of the discrepancy system is very good, but not all of it.

[2:10:22] But this plan acted or reflects that.

[2:10:24] With respect to the carcarous, those are multiple structures, and they get moved around all the time.

[2:10:30] In order to clean the parking lot, we would have to move to carcarous.

[2:10:33] The parking lot's frequent comes in and speeds up the parking lot, and the winter time,

[2:10:36] you have snowplows, so the carcarous would move around all the time.

[2:10:40] So what I do is I count the number of parked for else,

[2:10:43] and I put the number on the plan, and I try to locate them

[2:10:46] on the places where they're supposed to be.

[2:10:49] But when you go out sometimes, they're not in the exact location,

[2:10:52] but they are accounted for.

[2:10:53] So when doing that, I create it a plan,

[2:10:56] in which we have the exact number of strike parking spaces.

[2:11:00] We reduce out the number of parked for else, which is 13.

[2:11:04] We then deduced out the number of parking spaces

[2:11:06] that she used for outdoor storage, and we come up

[2:11:09] the final number, so we had 675 spaces counted, 13 spaces, carcaraels, 33 spaces for

[2:11:17] outdoor stores, that he's been 629 available spaces for customers.

[2:11:23] So that brings us to the current count and how we came up with it.

[2:11:27] The plan also identifies in red is all the areas that were previously approved by the

[2:11:33] for outdoor storage, the blue indicates front areas in the front for outdoor display.

[2:11:43] And in this program report, we addressed, and I said the first two comments was, regarding

[2:11:49] how we came about by the parking space town, the second comment identified, the reason why

[2:11:55] the car frails aren't in the exact spots.

[2:11:58] And the following comments, the three of all of your suggestions.

[2:12:07] Well, let me ask you a question.

[2:12:08] May I ask you a question?

[2:12:09] May I ask you a question?

[2:12:10] I think overall,

[2:12:14] it's not a point in the end.

[2:12:15] So it's not, at least in my mind, it's not a question.

[2:12:20] You've done something about it now, because it's a difficult

[2:12:23] for customers to find the market.

[2:12:26] I'm just not sure, as I said in the report, I looked at, and I understand, I mean,

[2:12:34] parking lots changed, and I'm closing in here, and they just, some of the parking

[2:12:38] for other purposes, and so on.

[2:12:40] But when I looked at the 2007 buy site plan, the rest of my knowledge, that was, that's

[2:12:47] the most updated plan that I found in our office, they had 36 fewer space, and things

[2:12:56] So I would understand if they had more, but they had less.

[2:13:01] So let me just sit again.

[2:13:06] I don't think the scheme of things is, at least,

[2:13:09] from my vantage point, it's a big deal because you're still not

[2:13:12] putting a parking lot on the site for manufacturers and my experience

[2:13:15] about their pre-courtment.

[2:13:17] The other issue about the cart for us.

[2:13:20] Again, I just want to be clear what we're talking about.

[2:13:24] your plan does show, and this is a second plan divided to us, and it was a change if you were

[2:13:30] the first one. But you show us locations and carcasses, and it's marked the CC on your

[2:13:36] plane, right? And they're there. Those CC locations are accurate. As you did, I went out there,

[2:13:43] and I looked at them. But there are five additional places, and I guess you're saying those

[2:13:49] of the temperate. So, when I have temperate, but I should say temperate, a portable pool,

[2:13:55] a move around. I don't even bring, they're identified by the axes.

[2:13:58] But do you see, I don't see them on your play. I found them. I'm marks. I don't. Why not

[2:14:06] just identify all of the carcaraos that are out there, the ones that are bolted into the

[2:14:12] concrete at that point, or the asphalt, and the other ones that are portable?

[2:14:18] I just,

[2:14:18] what we did that, my apologies, forgiveness, that's confusing.

[2:14:23] Well, you know, my thinking, again, I realize it sounds like it's kind of splitting hairs.

[2:14:29] This, if this were a real small parking lot, every spot counted, it would really be an issue.

[2:14:33] But if you're going to say, you have an X number of card derives, which obviously take away the parking spaces there.

[2:14:40] I would count the movable ones as well, because they're there.

[2:14:47] And whether they're, you know, a monster now, whether they're moved 20 feet away or not,

[2:14:53] you're still going to have those additional five.

[2:14:55] I have the photos in the report.

[2:14:58] That's that's the only point about that.

[2:15:00] I think it was a deal breaker, but I just feel like this would be a good time to get it.

[2:15:04] A clear count. You've been out there, you did the labor more than me. I would get in count of all those places.

[2:15:14] So if you're comfortable with the number of spaces in your testimony, fine, as long as we clear about that.

[2:15:19] I am, and what I can do is, where you have these X's, they're in the bar for L. I will, I will read

[2:15:26] a designated MCC, so it's clear that those X's are not, but I'm just pointing to it.

[2:15:33] It was generally mine, but I don't go ahead, because it's my question.

[2:15:37] Let's see if we can, you know, just for the sake of it. Right in the middle, you know, where

[2:15:43] it says, plant, there's some chairs.

[2:15:46] If you go into the parking lot there,

[2:15:49] There are eight handicap space things like the corner of right beyond that is a carcass.

[2:15:58] Okay.

[2:15:58] But there's no ax on your plan showing that.

[2:16:02] What?

[2:16:03] On the plan?

[2:16:04] We'll try to do that.

[2:16:06] So where it says 19, I think, is the carcass.

[2:16:08] Right underneath the 19.

[2:16:12] No.

[2:16:12] That's not the carcass.

[2:16:14] The carcass.

[2:16:14] It's in the picture.

[2:16:15] The carcass is right next to the handicap space.

[2:16:19] No, I understand what you're saying.

[2:16:21] If you go out there today, that's where it is.

[2:16:23] If you go out there two weeks from now,

[2:16:24] it'll be slightly somewhere else.

[2:16:27] So that's where it was when I reviewed your first plan back in October.

[2:16:31] What we can do is just identify specific locations.

[2:16:35] We'll put the designation there and those will be responsible

[2:16:38] to make sure the car crowds are in that particular location.

[2:16:41] Honestly, I don't want to make a federal case of it.

[2:16:47] It's the board's call.

[2:16:48] I don't think it really matters whether I think it was sufficient enough just to recognize

[2:16:54] there are five, I don't believe there are more than that, but there are five portable

[2:16:59] park crowds that the location of those will vary from time to time, I don't think you need

[2:17:06] to lock them in on a plan.

[2:17:07] I just want to make sure.

[2:17:09] So I want to respond to some of the C.C.

[2:17:12] record for out, a bunch of old TCV, or TCC, temporary card for out, and five of the one

[2:17:18] they could move.

[2:17:19] And yeah, or just put a note on the plan somewhere that says, move, how many, you know,

[2:17:25] you'll lose whatever number of spaces that is, I guess it's either, you know, it looks

[2:17:29] like eight.

[2:17:31] No, it looks like nine.

[2:17:32] There's 13 total out there.

[2:17:36] I count nine X's.

[2:17:37] Count nine X's on your plan.

[2:17:39] I think it's six pieces.

[2:17:40] There are, you know, that somewhere on a plan, so that going forward, if those needs

[2:17:46] come back in the future, everybody's clear, you know, about a baseline set of information.

[2:17:54] There are external components, existing carcasses that are in locked in place, and there are

[2:18:15] Yeah, I mean, some of the spaces, as I mentioned, you wound up with more spaces than the revised plan of 2007.

[2:18:22] I understand some of them come in, for example, under the canopy, those loading spaces.

[2:18:28] But they're at it. Those were at it.

[2:18:30] Yeah, that was not part of it.

[2:18:32] Those went ahead and did that on the rest.

[2:18:37] And this is ours.

[2:18:39] The opportunity to put everything on there naturally.

[2:18:42] So we have one after the point.

[2:18:45] To those that are comfortable for the board,

[2:18:47] before they do everything that they do.

[2:18:51] I mean, do they come to the board and say,

[2:18:53] we want to make the same plan.

[2:18:54] We're going to put these angles spaces in.

[2:18:56] We're going to put everything else there.

[2:18:58] We'd like the approval rather than.

[2:19:01] I like to say it's on the other dozen projects I'm working on.

[2:19:04] That wasn't the case.

[2:19:12] We'll say.

[2:19:13] You do what I want to do and then tell me.

[2:19:14] And I will say, for the boys of probation, and I believe that one of the audience is

[2:19:21] a man through the site, and this lady with a look that, and I apologize, I forgot

[2:19:27] her name.

[2:19:27] But she reached out to me about having temporary trailers behind the school, as they were

[2:19:33] right around Christmas time when they were doing work.

[2:19:38] So, you know, the most recent experience has been an effort to cooperate, and we agreed

[2:19:44] to allow several of those containers, and I think they're gone, so, in other words, there was

[2:19:51] an effort to reach out to the town first and say, can we do this, we agree, because it was

[2:19:57] temporary.

[2:19:59] This is different.

[2:20:01] Quite different.

[2:20:04] This opportunity, too, to perhaps get close to take responsibility for the other issues

[2:20:11] which are our bodies, which are dead, in the most part, and there were no slats in the

[2:20:21] attention.

[2:20:22] In the attention, and I believe it's all due to it's anger.

[2:20:25] Loves is being able to fix all.

[2:20:28] We would agree that.

[2:20:29] I don't believe slating was part of the original program of our group.

[2:20:32] No, no.

[2:20:33] It's on your plan.

[2:20:34] It was part of the 2007, it doesn't say, it's on, you know.

[2:20:40] You said a seat, the plants are seats, but you meant slats.

[2:20:44] The no prior proof, ten foot high,

[2:20:46] chain length fence, plastic slats,

[2:20:49] seats, but means slats, to screen, et cetera.

[2:20:52] And I'm going back to that plan and you're correct,

[2:20:55] that we're slats, we're closed.

[2:20:58] So, shame on us, we never told.

[2:20:59] So, or is that fence?

[2:21:01] They, that's behind.

[2:21:03] That's behind.

[2:21:03] That's where the landscaping, you know,

[2:21:06] with the landscaping site in the building.

[2:21:07] Right here.

[2:21:08] Is there a four-year-old one row?

[2:21:10] No.

[2:21:11] Yes.

[2:21:12] Yes.

[2:21:12] It's not the screen of a ball-mine row.

[2:21:18] You won't see it in a ball-mine.

[2:21:19] It's really more...

[2:21:20] I understand.

[2:21:22] Just so we're glad we're going about this fence here.

[2:21:25] Yes.

[2:21:25] You know it's on right here.

[2:21:27] I think it's a two-year-old.

[2:21:28] Yeah.

[2:21:29] Yeah.

[2:21:29] And as item 2.3 through 2.6, page 4,

[2:21:33] structure report January the 5th and may seem like an empty promise, but those are going

[2:21:39] to take care of all those items.

[2:21:41] Do you, as much responsible for the landscaping within the parking lot itself?

[2:21:47] I don't know the answer to that.

[2:21:49] Because there's that dead tree.

[2:21:51] So at least one dead tree on one of those items.

[2:21:53] I show you a photo of that on the page book.

[2:21:55] Because those who are going to be replaced, they want to this way to march

[2:21:59] when the proper planting a season starts.

[2:22:01] But look, that would be loads to do that, not.

[2:22:04] Yes, that's loads per land.

[2:22:07] So those will do that as well.

[2:22:11] And the board.

[2:22:13] And if you clear that from the earlier plan,

[2:22:17] I called out the fact that you have PVC pipes and pallets,

[2:22:23] et cetera, on the eastern side of the building,

[2:22:26] we now show that in blue as PVC pipes and pallets.

[2:22:30] And that's one additional outside area you're asking to restrict with this storage.

[2:22:39] I'm not sure, apparently, if not going to be closed right then you're just leaving it open for it.

[2:22:45] There's a photo of it on my first report on this event.

[2:22:56] And just to the chairman said, in the past, it was past summer, it got to the point

[2:23:06] where it was like the stick-like of cooperation in terms of the material from the back of them.

[2:23:13] And that's been taken care of now.

[2:23:16] But you know, we really hope there's not a situation where it's a constant, you know, threatening

[2:23:20] some of this was what action and so on should not be any storage, any materials in the back

[2:23:27] and the building except for the two trailers, the board improved on the part of the occasion.

[2:23:33] Yes.

[2:23:33] Okay.

[2:23:35] Because our lane and this lots of reasons, aesthetic reasons.

[2:23:41] Chuck, just to add on what you said, the other problem too, was the amount of trucks

[2:23:45] parked in their parking lot.

[2:23:47] With no regard to our concerns about getting them out of there.

[2:23:51] I mean, you're going to say, and I know it's probably got no place in a planning board, but I'm

[2:23:55] going to say that if they didn't have to come here tonight, they would have never fixed your

[2:23:57] employees.

[2:23:58] They would have never put this slide in the tree because it's what they've been doing.

[2:24:02] If you would, whatever they want, they snubbed their nose to our request.

[2:24:05] And so now, because they're leaving the proof that they're going to do, they're going to fix

[2:24:09] your employees.

[2:24:10] They're saying they're going to do what they never did before.

[2:24:13] So why do we believe them today?

[2:24:15] That's just my concern.

[2:24:16] For a couple of days, that sells trees.

[2:24:18] You would think they want to keep their land saving in better shape.

[2:24:21] And this has been going on for years.

[2:24:23] This is not just current.

[2:24:25] We dealt with this years ago.

[2:24:27] And they came back.

[2:24:31] You also took out all the trees in the islands and put it in rock.

[2:24:36] Kind of there used to be trees within those islands.

[2:24:39] They took out all the trees.

[2:24:40] You could probably run over by the trucks that are in the parking lot.

[2:24:45] So you're coming in because you want to put all of this merchandise

[2:24:49] in the front of the building. Why? Why do you have to have right in the

[2:24:56] low and south side? I could bring those four managers up to that. I can do

[2:25:00] the general answer and that's part of those operating procedures.

[2:25:09] So maybe they

[2:25:10] should have done that when they came back to the board before and asked for a

[2:25:26] We're working now to close on this, the locations that you're showing and we are in fact some of the blue barrel and the propane tank is now.

[2:25:37] Is that the extent of the outdoor display areas and storage that loads is going to be?

[2:25:45] That should be the maximum extent I went there.

[2:25:49] At the point of the year where it should be maximum is what?

[2:25:52] I think so.

[2:25:54] Should be.

[2:25:55] What is the boxes that are strikes that don't have any reference to, what are they

[2:26:00] there for?

[2:26:03] Well, where it has plant plants propane, and then there's a box that has no line to it.

[2:26:09] And then it has thickic table and there's a couple of boxes.

[2:26:12] And then a couple of boxes.

[2:26:14] Like for here, there's three of them.

[2:26:16] Well, four of them aren't.

[2:26:17] Why didn't you share it?

[2:26:18] So the writing morons would be, you know, all of that area there.

[2:26:41] I don't know if you were done in Kevin's.

[2:26:47] I don't know if you were done in Kevin's.

[2:26:51] Any other questions?

[2:26:54] The goal here tonight was to bring finally a plan that after we had got advised everything

[2:27:03] And that's going on out there so the town is fully aware of it.

[2:27:08] And pairing a plan like this, we've been now to the town for now, in forcent, the way

[2:27:12] they can fit.

[2:27:13] There's a mechanism for doing that.

[2:27:15] We have the storm manager here tonight, hearing directly from you, I believe the storm manager

[2:27:20] has only been there for relatively short period of time.

[2:27:24] So she understands that there's been a history here of the storm not doing what they're supposed

[2:27:31] to be doing or approved.

[2:27:32] I don't like that conversation with her.

[2:27:34] She understands that.

[2:27:35] She's hearing at first-hand.

[2:27:37] There's been a commitment on her end to clean up the site.

[2:27:40] I've been involved with this project for about a year now.

[2:27:42] I have seen the site clean up quite quite quite a bit talking with the storm manager.

[2:27:47] She is committed to making all the improvements in the projects I've worked on when we've

[2:27:52] gotten approval.

[2:27:53] Lowes has been very expeditious in carrying out those approvals, making those improvements,

[2:27:59] whether it's landscaping, repairs, and so forth and whatever.

[2:28:02] So, while it may not be hard to listen to this right now, I'm going to show you that there

[2:28:08] has been a track record, at least I've been involved in making sure this happens and it happens

[2:28:13] well.

[2:28:15] I do have a unique relationship with those having worked for them that I can be pretty forceful

[2:28:19] with them on making sure that these things happen.

[2:28:22] And I can make that commitment to you.

[2:28:25] I'm a professional here in New Jersey, and I represent a lot of municipalities.

[2:28:29] I've come before a lot of professionals regularly.

[2:28:32] A lot of these things, my reputation means a lot.

[2:28:36] So I can assure you that you are a crew of this,

[2:28:39] all of the improvements would be made,

[2:28:41] and this would be a much better, better store,

[2:28:45] a better facility overall.

[2:28:46] I mean, without paying on men on the end of the sentence,

[2:28:49] I mean, we're counting as done.

[2:28:50] He's got to be a baseline.

[2:28:52] That's what I think we're saying.

[2:28:53] We have a baseline plan that if a proof has to be

[2:28:59] This is this is the next iteration and if there's a complaint by you as these

[2:29:05] That's that's where we're gonna have to go back to you know Jim to me. This is Groundhog Day

[2:29:11] If I haven't heard that 20 times if I haven't spoken Chuck maybe you can even ground me here

[2:29:17] I appreciate the storm manager being being aggressive here how many different storm managers have we done when I can think of four

[2:29:23] And every one of them you have this so I'm gonna make it better

[2:29:25] I'm going to do better and then lose and their corporate moves them up, moves them out.

[2:29:30] I don't want to hear it.

[2:29:31] I just don't want to hear it.

[2:29:32] You tell me that you finally have a plan.

[2:29:36] Your plan is good today.

[2:29:37] And the first time you want to change it, you're going to change it.

[2:29:41] I'm tired of it.

[2:29:42] My colleagues are tired of it.

[2:29:44] So when you tell me these things,

[2:29:46] it's in one of your own hands, like Groundhog Day.

[2:29:49] I learned a million times.

[2:29:50] If it's changed from the baseline, that's a violation.

[2:29:54] You changed all the time, your past line changes.

[2:29:57] Well, this gentleman, Kevin, has...

[2:30:00] A certain level of experience and responsibility, and he has come in and said, this is our new baseline.

[2:30:06] There's nothing I'm listening to you. I'm listening to everything you're saying. I can't give you the answer.

[2:30:13] I'm looking for the answer, maybe Chuck has the answer.

[2:30:16] Well, I don't have an answer, but I can tell you if the board were to prove this plan.

[2:30:20] And we have problems in the future, and if I'm still here, my approach would give you a warning notice, that is a violation notice, you have ten days to clear it, and you don't, some of this are going to be issued.

[2:30:33] Number of 30, 40, phone calls and letters and emails and so on.

[2:30:38] So, if you're, again, what it proves this, this is your plan, that's why I asked earlier,

[2:30:45] why you can tell us, and you're comfortable that this is the extent of your display areas

[2:30:50] and your storage areas.

[2:30:52] Don't tell us, yes, if you think you're going to have longer stored in the back again, and that's

[2:30:57] sort of thing.

[2:30:58] If it happens, if this is a proof, then we will invoke the main sort and it says you're going

[2:31:04] to be in violation of the approved site plan,

[2:31:07] if you did be here.

[2:31:09] We can expand on that a little bit

[2:31:10] because I see the overall site plan.

[2:31:12] I don't see any overnight truck parking on there,

[2:31:14] but there's overnight truck parking yesterday.

[2:31:17] Today, I think you said you saw it?

[2:31:18] So where is that on this plan?

[2:31:20] Because you're allowing overnight trucks to park on this.

[2:31:23] You sometimes use your own delivery trucks to park out front

[2:31:26] and if I haven't been almost hit by some of these

[2:31:28] tractor trailers that you do not enforce,

[2:31:31] they're not allowed to park.

[2:31:32] I don't see any parking spaces for,

[2:31:34] for private outside 18-wheelers that park on your property.

[2:31:38] Where is that on the plan?

[2:31:39] Because you're doing it now.

[2:31:40] You're allowing big trucks to park in your parking lot.

[2:31:44] I don't see it.

[2:31:45] I don't see it.

[2:31:46] So you're telling you, you finally have a plan.

[2:31:48] You have an address getting rid of the overnight parking,

[2:31:51] the trucks.

[2:31:52] This is a car.

[2:31:53] This is a shopping mall.

[2:31:55] Not a truck parking lot.

[2:31:56] Go out there tomorrow morning.

[2:31:58] It's 630.

[2:31:59] You'll see trucks all over the place.

[2:32:01] Where is it on the plans?

[2:32:02] Bill, you see it.

[2:32:03] So I was gonna say this might be a little bit better for the store manager because they might not be allowing it to happen

[2:32:11] because we dealt with this prior with Walmart allowing it the tough part for the police department with enforcing it is the proud property, right?

[2:32:22] So you need signs posted for predatory towing act, I forget.

[2:32:27] Yeah, we put all that you all this over at Walmart. We did it. They didn't there a lot right so vehicles are there past 24 hours

[2:32:35] It gives you the authority to the mount et cetera, et cetera, so I mean we can but the only problem I would say here is that

[2:32:42] I'm like Walmart. Those does not own the land. Okay. I can tell them I don't try not to just say that I get this conversation and they promised to do it

[2:32:50] It's not there. Yeah, let me ask you question

[2:32:53] Can we I don't think there's a title 39 agreement on a property

[2:32:57] There is, well, there is, we do have Title 39 through ITC, however, there is another issue with that that we discussed with

[2:33:06] Piroland changing things around for Title 39 and there.

[2:33:10] But the end of the day it is still private property, so for parking, right?

[2:33:14] There's no Title 39 or an instig or a statute that would apply to parking on private property,

[2:33:20] because even though we have Title 39, that's just them saying,

[2:33:24] OK, yes, we're going to, you know, abide by this site plan with the stop sign, the

[2:33:30] center, et cetera.

[2:33:30] We're going to give you the 32 and force title 39, and then the township agrees, yes,

[2:33:36] OK, we've looked over your site plan, your site looks good.

[2:33:39] We will enforce title 39 and there.

[2:33:42] Fortunately, the only thing I'm probably probably, we can enforce for parking, really, is the

[2:33:47] ordinances, the touch ordinances, that we write right for improper parking in ITC, self

[2:33:53] in the shopping mall, which those vehicles are not improperly parked, right, and then handicapped

[2:33:59] parking.

[2:34:00] Well, technically, I mean, I've had this in other towns and other properties, especially

[2:34:04] today, everyone's looking weird, they're going to park their 18 wheelers.

[2:34:08] I mean, I don't know what we can post signs.

[2:34:12] This isn't like a car where you post a sign and say, if you stay here, it's going to be towed

[2:34:17] and Joe's towing, go to Joe's towing, get your car back.

[2:34:20] and what I'll say the other problem with this is, too.

[2:34:23] But what time does it lose clothes?

[2:34:25] 10, I don't know, I'm just going to call it a clock, right?

[2:34:29] Eighteen wheeler pulls up, 10, 30.

[2:34:31] In parks, nobody from the most is calling police department

[2:34:34] or anyone else and then by the time they open 7 a.m.

[2:34:37] If that truck is going, there you go.

[2:34:41] So if it's happening before those times,

[2:34:43] and management is there, right?

[2:34:45] Maybe they should be doing something.

[2:34:48] Yeah, maybe some signs.

[2:34:50] Why they also think, it may also be, again, because those those of the bees in the

[2:34:55] market market wanted, it may have to be my fault to the tenant, or the L. M.ett.

[2:34:59] Yeah, so what happens is that when there's a storm in the internet, you got all the

[2:35:03] tree guys.

[2:35:05] Right now we can talk about that.

[2:35:07] No, they're there for, they're that sometimes there for weeks.

[2:35:11] I know, and they have their siblings to have larger years of their market.

[2:35:15] I mean, if they're working on a program, they're working on a program.

[2:35:19] We're going down all of them.

[2:35:21] But I have dealt with my property managers represented as John Savano about those three

[2:35:29] companies when they come in.

[2:35:31] He's still going to bring them in and work there and I told them that's not, that's not

[2:35:35] what that's like when I'm going to report.

[2:35:38] I haven't seen them recently, I haven't said that probably to be there again.

[2:35:43] But I haven't seen those trucks there, those orange trucks and all those trucks.

[2:35:47] As far as the 18-wheelers, again, it may have to be something we deal with

[2:35:51] trolling.

[2:35:52] And we talked to Proland about it.

[2:35:55] Broly may be in the process and actually selling it all the way.

[2:35:57] So it's not to deal with someone else.

[2:36:00] But unlike, whoa, I'd rather have to be like Walmart.

[2:36:04] It's not owned this lot.

[2:36:11] Can I move this here?

[2:36:13] Well, let's speak with a store manager.

[2:36:15] You know, most of you will need to do early morning patrols.

[2:36:18] Late evening patrols.

[2:36:19] If there's illegal tractor-trailers parked there, we can immediately call the police.

[2:36:24] I think they're expecting our time because Bill said it right, they come in the late night and they're gone by seven.

[2:36:29] Yeah, there might not be anything they could do.

[2:36:31] So you might say that there's holding their feet to the fire when they say it's not fair.

[2:36:34] It shouldn't be.

[2:36:35] Yeah.

[2:36:36] We can knock on the door and say, hey, you're not supposed to be parked here, but nothing I could do.

[2:36:46] I mean, not that we would say there's nothing we could do, but you know, I'd say I'd suggest you leave because you can't park here, but that's it.

[2:36:56] And then they'll go down to Walmart and then to the next.

[2:36:59] That's why I didn't chase them all over.

[2:37:01] So, for a while, Walmart was really bad.

[2:37:05] So, and from what I've seen, I will say that the lows is better than Walmart was with the exception of those tree trucks.

[2:37:12] We're there for a while that I haven't seen there as of late, but

[2:37:21] He moved around also

[2:37:42] I don't know a question if I manage chairman does those, unlike Walmart, which has a couple

[2:37:51] of those of base.

[2:37:53] Lose is not designed that.

[2:37:55] Does Lose have any tractor trails that have a need to come in and unload?

[2:38:02] How does that work?

[2:38:03] Do they unload and leave immediately?

[2:38:05] Where do they unload?

[2:38:08] You have your main loading area back here.

[2:38:09] There was some rebays right there, but I apologize, they're all bakes right there.

[2:38:15] They never scheduled more trucks than they could handle.

[2:38:19] So there's never usually more than two trucks unloading at any given time.

[2:38:25] So there should never be tractor-tiles whether they say loads or something else on it.

[2:38:33] Delivering or dealing with the store on less than those bakes.

[2:38:36] is that in those days where the sack here, there's not a lawyer back here, but all trucking

[2:38:41] for those first to be finability, nothing happens.

[2:38:45] And the only place trucks can park, I mean they can be stationary while they are on load, but

[2:38:52] they can't park behind the road.

[2:38:55] They don't park behind the road.

[2:38:56] Well, they can only be in those loadings.

[2:39:00] If they're going to park in these stations, there's a couple of days here, really park.

[2:39:05] There's one space right here where they pull up. That's only maybe one truck every couple days.

[2:39:14] That's a designated loading

[2:39:16] We're not one and then you have the two trailers on the back that they push the device.

[2:39:20] Well, they have two trails.

[2:39:21] Yeah, but I mean that's not a truck. I don't see a designated loading.

[2:39:24] Am I not seeing it on your plane?

[2:39:25] Well, with the operation license, that's a designated loading.

[2:39:29] I don't know if anybody's identified as going.

[2:39:33] But I think that's the point, this shouldn't be any, I mean, the truck was back there and

[2:39:38] he's a half hour to unload, you know, and I realize they have a lot to come out and

[2:39:42] take stuff water and move and stuff around.

[2:39:44] That's fine, yes.

[2:39:45] I've been out there, again, I'll tell you the dead horse, but I've been out there in the past

[2:39:49] and I told them, look, you guys are parking, you're in a fire lane, and I get, you know,

[2:39:55] less than a cordial response.

[2:39:57] No, that hasn't happened recently, and I trust them will happen again, but unloading

[2:40:03] I'll only take place in the Bay of the Air Force.

[2:40:07] So, we just are in testimony from Kevin,

[2:40:10] and it sounds really good.

[2:40:11] But the reality is, there are low strokes,

[2:40:14] whether it's the 18 rows or flatbeds that are parked

[2:40:16] pick a spot in your parking, all the time.

[2:40:20] I don't know if anybody's been there recently,

[2:40:21] but I see a low stroke there often.

[2:40:24] Haven't been there recently.

[2:40:26] You know, within the last month or so,

[2:40:27] but I don't know how many of others you have seen.

[2:40:29] the low's trunk or fun, but part right in the middle of the parking lot.

[2:40:34] I can't speak for that, for the storm managers here, and I think she would like to speak for that.

[2:40:37] No, I don't want to hear it.

[2:40:38] And I'm going to tell you why, because your systems are important to you, but so are mine.

[2:40:44] The way we operate, you don't care about.

[2:40:46] So therefore, as the chairman, I don't want to hear her offended.

[2:40:49] I don't. And it's no disrespect to the manager.

[2:40:51] You have to understand. You don't follow my processes.

[2:40:54] I'm not following yours. That's my decision.

[2:40:56] So I don't want to hear from anybody else.

[2:40:58] Not going to change. I know what I see and what I see is not representative of this plan and it's a complete

[2:41:04] Disregard for what we want to do. So my initial comments of not change after everything you said

[2:41:09] That's just me. There's other people that'll be voting.

[2:41:12] Thank you.

[2:41:13] Go ahead.

[2:41:13] He said there's two voting areas. Once it left over there, I'll say one to the right.

[2:41:18] But then there's a third that's identified on the plan that says loading area

[2:41:22] where the fifth state staging area is on the right.

[2:41:29] Yes, a lot of times that's for forklifts.

[2:41:32] That's for the forklifts we'll go in and out.

[2:41:35] But where is this a little spot?

[2:41:37] Where does it forklifts go in?

[2:41:40] It's on the right of the film.

[2:41:41] It's a key.

[2:41:42] Right here?

[2:41:43] No.

[2:41:43] Over here?

[2:41:44] Yeah.

[2:41:45] There's a key.

[2:41:47] That's the way to do it.

[2:41:52] That's the way to do it.

[2:42:07] Well, that's the area, and that's in separate little space there, but yeah, that's that area that where they had the PVC pipes is there.

[2:42:16] Right. So that's another remote loading area, in addition to the two you identified before.

[2:42:20] So I just want to clarify. So there's loading areas where trucks will come in and out, and then there's loading areas where four cliffs will come in and out.

[2:42:29] So there will be a truck parked there.

[2:42:32] That's really where four cliffs to get in and out of that.

[2:42:35] I don't know if you have my first report.

[2:42:38] That's where a gate is. You want to strike that off.

[2:42:40] There's no gate seven.

[2:42:43] That gate.

[2:42:51] That's nice.

[2:42:52] How do you say it?

[2:42:53] I don't know what I'm going to report.

[2:42:56] This is one of the question then.

[2:42:57] Does it close, like Home Depot,

[2:43:00] or does it close, rent the trucks out to another district?

[2:43:06] Oh, I'm going to pick up the trucks.

[2:43:07] We do.

[2:43:08] How many, yeah?

[2:43:09] One.

[2:43:10] I don't think the record will pick that up.

[2:43:12] Kevin, you might want to just put the answer to this.

[2:43:15] What?

[2:43:15] I'm going to say one.

[2:43:17] You're one now.

[2:43:18] We're getting a second.

[2:43:19] So one now, but they're saying they want it to go.

[2:43:21] So in the parking lot, a person would see or could observe a pickup truck, like how

[2:43:28] people does when you can rent it. I can go in and rent it, that's a project, correct?

[2:43:35] Yes, so you have one. So I don't know if you're more than just going to the camera's point

[2:43:41] about seeing what all they have, one. Yeah, Chuck, I'm not talking about pickup truck though, okay.

[2:43:47] If you have those in your apartment, you're ready to talk to them, you're just talking about the right side, back and go.

[2:44:10] The PDC fights on the outside of the car.

[2:44:19] If that's the first before?

[2:44:21] Yeah, that's the first before.

[2:44:23] That's another part of it.

[2:44:26] So those are in parking spaces?

[2:44:29] They are now, and that's why they're asking,

[2:44:31] to design that as a voting area.

[2:44:38] A voting area.

[2:44:40] Wow, I said, voting.

[2:44:42] I mean, storage area.

[2:44:43] I don't know if they're calling it on the current plan.

[2:44:45] It's no idea why the TV is a pipe in house

[2:44:51] within a fence area.

[2:44:53] No, not within on the outside of the fence there.

[2:44:55] Right, looking at page 7.

[2:44:57] Power.

[2:45:29] We don't get involved in the day of day of their saying that's where they want it, if they're counted for it, it's on the plan, then did this what it is?

[2:45:38] Is that going to be right behind it?

[2:45:40] Can't put them in there?

[2:45:48] Anybody else?

[2:45:51] No, come on.

[2:45:53] You know.

[2:45:54] We don't know.

[2:45:55] We don't know what to do.

[2:45:57] I'll put it back here.

[2:45:59] We did agree that the planings are going to be replaced.

[2:46:02] You are providing with the slats.

[2:46:05] There's something positive right there.

[2:46:07] All right.

[2:46:09] So, Jim, if you have anything else you wanted to do?

[2:46:11] Sure.

[2:46:13] And I guess just for the record, I'll open it to the public.

[2:46:15] if anybody from the public has any questions for Kevin and I don't think he's right from the public, so we're going to take a closer, nothing Europe here, correct?

[2:46:25] All right, so that being said, the applicant has been front of us, they testify, they've entered the question for the best of their ability and I do.

[2:46:32] Kevin, I appreciate you taking the heat.

[2:46:35] But who is your driver?

[2:46:37] I do.

[2:46:39] Thank you.

[2:46:40] So that being said, somebody would like to make a motion of this application.

[2:46:44] So before we do so, we've assumed you don't have any mount, always.

[2:46:51] I'm about to order a lady.

[2:46:53] Yeah, that was fun.

[2:46:56] Yeah.

[2:46:59] The planting of the art varieties, the planting of different trees on the islands.

[2:47:05] As they're going to the bottom, land to the left of the island.

[2:47:09] These are the things that are going on.

[2:47:10] There's a lot of things to be done here, members.

[2:47:15] That's a nice information.

[2:47:17] So that, can we see, can we just make sure we, the only thing we address was the

[2:47:22] aggravating the slats, the dead trees, and the movable, the movable cards will be

[2:47:27] billed as such. Your location will be based on your logistics.

[2:47:33] And I think that works

[2:47:34] out fine. That doesn't handcuff you to keep them at one consistent spot, based on what

[2:47:38] you said, that they're best moved because of the conditions.

[2:47:41] Yes, thank you. So with those conditions that Jim just mentioned, someone please make a motion

[2:47:46] to include those conditions.

[2:47:50] I'll make a motion that we drew PB 23-13

[2:47:54] with the conditions outlined by the chairman.

[2:47:57] Second.

[2:47:58] Second.

[2:47:59] Thank you, David.

[2:48:00] John.

[2:48:00] Thank you for the second and comments and questions.

[2:48:04] Seeing none roll call.

[2:48:06] Yes.

[2:48:07] Brian Shackder.

[2:48:09] Yeah.

[2:48:09] This will be the last of my vote.

[2:48:11] The work is done before.

[2:48:14] 10 minutes up.

[2:48:15] Yes.

[2:48:16] Come on, yes?

[2:48:18] Kevin, I'm going to say no.

[2:48:21] John Media.

[2:48:22] No.

[2:48:24] Then nothing.

[2:48:25] Yes.

[2:48:26] We have got it.

[2:48:27] Yes.

[2:48:28] Otherwise.

[2:48:29] I can vote no bad.

[2:48:32] Mr. Chairman, I think you should support your real life.

[2:48:36] His level.

[2:48:37] I'm just saying it's going to get a report. He's going to take it back.

[2:48:40] It's all I can say.

[2:48:41] I trust it.

[2:48:42] And I will. I think he took it as good because as I can tell, you see me for the last couple hours.

[2:48:49] This board bent over backwards to help out.

[2:48:52] It has, you know that.

[2:48:53] And so when somebody like loads times, it makes our life miserable,

[2:48:58] it will cause processes.

[2:49:00] It has no interest in what we have to say.

[2:49:02] And if now it's expanded from lows to curl in, it only complicates it.

[2:49:06] And that's why I wanted to end the conversation. You can't control curl, man.

[2:49:10] But I can work with lows and I can assure you that I have a vested interest in this, I appreciate your approval.

[2:49:17] I will take it upon myself to make sure that this gets done right with lows, even though I don't work for them directly.

[2:49:22] As we close Kevin, you're a big company and we're not the only municipality that has a procedure.

[2:49:29] And for your company to constantly bypass the procedure with whatever reason I won't even speculate, it's got a stop and it's going to stop and down.

[2:49:38] So, I thank you for whatever message you've given forward.

[2:49:42] We look forward to making this right.

[2:49:44] Thank you very much.

[2:49:45] Thank you very much.

[2:49:46] And if there's a recording of this series,

[2:49:48] I would very much like that with copy of it.

[2:49:50] So I can provide it to those.

[2:49:52] I'll get it from Mary.

[2:49:54] Why don't we transcript from how do we work with that?

[2:49:57] The meeting is going to be on the touch of website.

[2:50:01] I'll get to the information from that.

[2:50:06] No transcript, just with any of you.

[2:50:11] We can have one of these ourselves.

[2:50:14] I'd be great.

[2:50:16] I'm to the store manager.

[2:50:17] Thank you for coming.

[2:50:18] I'll be back.

[2:50:20] All righty.

[2:50:21] Do we have any other business?

[2:50:23] Thank you.

[2:50:23] Have a good night.

[2:50:24] Motion to adjourn the final second.

[2:50:26] Second.

[2:50:27] All of favor?

[2:50:28] All right.

[2:50:28] Thank you.

[2:50:29] We'll see you next week.

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Jan 11, 2024 Mount Olive Planning Board Meeting 1/11/24

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