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[1:03] >> Dolly

[1:05] » Dolly

[1:05] Ball.

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[1:24] Heat. Heat.

[2:02] Margie, you're muted.

[2:07] Thank you.

[2:11] >> Good evening and welcome to the 893rd

[2:15] » Good evening and welcome to the 893rd

[2:15] meeting of the city of Laurel Historic

[2:17] District Commission.

[2:20] The qualifications of the members of the

[2:23] commission, the staff to the commission

[2:25] and any consultants used are on file

[2:28] with the city and are hereby made a part

[2:31] of each and every application heard

[2:33] today.

[2:34] The guidelines and procedures adopted by

[2:37] the commission are also made a part of

[2:39] each and every application.

[2:42] Each application heard today is

[2:44] considered on its own merits and is not

[2:47] to be considered as establishing a

[2:49] precedent for any other application.

[2:59] Since we are virtual, if you would state

[3:02] your name before you're you speak, uh

[3:06] that would be appreciated.

[3:08] And

[3:10] uh we'll start with item number one. Uh

[3:15] roll call. Um would you call the roll

[3:18] please? Dora.

[3:24] Adora. Would you call the roll, please?

[3:32] » Did I say that right?

[3:35] >> You did. I wonder if she's muted.

[3:51] Uh, while we're having technical

[3:52] difficulties, I will go ahead and call

[3:54] the role.

[3:56] Council President Smith

[4:01] » here.

[4:03] >> Miss Frasier

[4:04] » Miss Frasier

[4:04] >> here.

[4:07] Miss Les.

[4:15] » Miss Le.

[4:16] >> She appears to be frozen.

[4:18] » She appears to be frozen.

[4:18] >> Okay.

[4:19] » Okay.

[4:19] >> But she is here. There she is.

[4:23] » But she is here. There she is.

[4:23] >> Mr. De La Point

[4:25] » Mr. De La Point

[4:25] >> here.

[4:26] » here.

[4:26] >> Miss Muhammad

[4:28] » Miss Muhammad

[4:28] >> here.

[4:30] » here.

[4:30] >> Miss Mcini

[4:31] » Miss Mcini

[4:31] >> here.

[4:32] » here.

[4:32] >> You have a qual. Did you call Miss Le?

[4:36] » You have a qual. Did you call Miss Le?

[4:36] >> Yes.

[4:36] » Yes.

[4:36] >> Oh, okay.

[4:39] » Oh, okay.

[4:39] Thank you. All right. Item number two,

[4:42] approval of last month's minutes. Are

[4:45] there any corrections, discussion,

[4:53] motions to approve?

[5:05] Make a motion to approve.

[5:10] » We have a motion to approve the minutes.

[5:13] Do we have a second?

[5:15] >> This is Marlene Frasier. I second the

[5:17] » This is Marlene Frasier. I second the

[5:17] motion.

[5:20] >> Uh would somebody call the role, please?

[5:23] » Uh would somebody call the role, please?

[5:23] Or call Yes.

[5:29] Mr. Smith.

[5:35] » Mr. Smith.

[5:37] >> Yes.

[5:38] » Yes.

[5:38] >> Miss Frasier.

[5:40] » Miss Frasier.

[5:40] >> Yes.

[5:42] » Yes.

[5:42] Miss,

[6:01] » Miss Les, you're muted.

[6:05] You can press your space bar

[6:08] or you could signal a thumbs up. There

[6:11] you go.

[6:13] >> Okay. Yes, I know. Yes.

[6:15] » Okay. Yes, I know. Yes.

[6:15] >> Thank you, Mr. Deae.

[6:19] » Thank you, Mr. Deae.

[6:19] >> Yes,

[6:22] » Miss Muhammad.

[6:24] >> I have to abstain. I wasn't present at

[6:26] » I have to abstain. I wasn't present at

[6:26] last month's meeting,

[6:29] >> so I'll abain.

[6:31] » so I'll abain.

[6:31] >> Thank you, Miss Frasier.

[6:37] Yes,

[6:38] >> Miss Mcini.

[6:40] » Miss Mcini.

[6:40] >> Yes.

[6:40] » Yes.

[6:40] >> Motion carries.

[6:42] » Motion carries.

[6:42] >> Thank you.

[6:44] » Thank you.

[6:44] Uh item number three, HDC R

[6:49] 2026112

[6:52] for 927 McGomery Street. Uh submitted by

[6:57] Mr. McWills. The applicant is seeking

[7:01] uh to replace sighting and a window and

[7:04] to paint. Would staff like to present

[7:06] her report, please?

[7:09] Good evening, Madam Chair, commission

[7:11] members. This is Alexis Williams,

[7:12] planner one with ECD. The applicant is

[7:15] seeking historic district commission

[7:17] approval to replace siding and one

[7:19] window on west side of home. The

[7:21] applicant is seeking HDC approval to

[7:24] replace the siding and one window on the

[7:26] west side of the house. The existing

[7:28] siding will be replaced with new woodlap

[7:31] siding which will be painted vast far

[7:34] wheat toast to match the existing color

[7:36] of the home. The existing window is

[7:38] broken and will be replaced with a new

[7:40] white vinyl window of the same size and

[7:43] color as the existing window resulting

[7:45] in no change to the window or overall

[7:48] appearance. Staff recommends the

[7:50] Historic District Commission approve

[7:52] certificate number HDC R2060112.

[7:58] This concludes my report. Thank you,

[8:00] Madam Chair.

[8:04] » Is the applicant here?

[8:15] » Yes, I am.

[8:17] >> Great. Um, is there anything you'd like

[8:20] » Great. Um, is there anything you'd like

[8:20] to add?

[8:21] >> Nope. Sounded good what she said. That's

[8:24] » Nope. Sounded good what she said. That's

[8:24] that's it.

[8:26] >> Okay. Are there any questions or

[8:28] » Okay. Are there any questions or

[8:28] comments from the commissioners?

[8:34] » No.

[8:36] >> Okay. I have a concern that if you put

[8:41] » Okay. I have a concern that if you put

[8:41] the same paint on the new siding that it

[8:45] might be different from the paint that

[8:48] you put on however many years ago. How

[8:51] long ago did you paint the house?

[8:54] >> I just I just [clears throat] did the

[8:55] » I just I just [clears throat] did the

[8:55] same thing on the other side of the

[8:56] house two years ago and had the whole

[8:59] house painted that time.

[9:02] And it's it will be just and I will be

[9:05] painting the whole west side this time

[9:08] again.

[9:10] >> Right.

[9:11] » Right.

[9:11] >> So So it's not that old the paint job.

[9:13] » So So it's not that old the paint job.

[9:13] >> Okay. So that was really my concern

[9:16] » Okay. So that was really my concern

[9:16] because paint can really really fade.

[9:20] >> Yep. Got you on that.

[9:22] » Yep. Got you on that.

[9:22] >> Okay.

[9:29] Anyone else?

[9:31] [clears throat]

[9:32] I'd be happy to entertain a motion.

[9:36] Um, I'll entertain a motion. I'm I'm not

[9:38] the [laughter] chair here. I'm sorry.

[9:40] I'll make a motion to approve HDC

[9:43] R20260112

[9:46] from 927 Montgomery Street.

[9:49] >> Thank you. Is there a second?

[9:52] » Thank you. Is there a second?

[9:52] >> I'll second that motion.

[9:56] » I'll second that motion.

[9:56] >> Was that Miss Muhammad?

[9:57] » Was that Miss Muhammad?

[9:57] >> Yes.

[10:00] » Yes.

[10:00] Have a motion to approve and a second.

[10:12] Adura, could you call the names for the

[10:16] vote, please?

[10:17] >> Council President Smith.

[10:22] » Miss Muhammad.

[10:24] >> Yes.

[10:25] » Yes.

[10:25] >> Miss Raer.

[10:26] » Miss Raer.

[10:26] >> Yes.

[10:28] » Yes.

[10:28] Miss LZ.

[10:29] >> Yes.

[10:33] » Miss Mini.

[10:34] >> Yes.

[10:41] Motion carries.

[10:45] » Thank you.

[10:49] » Thank you for coming. I appreciate

[10:51] you're coming to answer our questions

[10:53] and happy painting. Madame Chair, may I

[10:57] say something before the applicant

[10:58] leaves?

[10:59] >> Sure.

[11:00] » Sure.

[11:00] >> I apologize. This is ECD director Mishi.

[11:03] » I apologize. This is ECD director Mishi.

[11:03] Um, I want to let everybody on the call,

[11:06] uh, particularly applicants know that

[11:08] the city has recently been the victim of

[11:11] some scam attempts. Uh following

[11:15] commission or board meetings, uh there

[11:18] are scammers who are sending an email to

[11:21] applicants pretending to be the city and

[11:24] asking them to wire a payment uh as the

[11:28] final step of getting their approval. Um

[11:30] we have been in contact with the Laurel

[11:32] Police Department uh and with our IT

[11:35] folks. Um but uh paying the the

[11:39] department of uh fire marshall and

[11:41] permit services um check or online

[11:45] through the permit portal or

[11:48] uh I'm paying uh here at ECD um are the

[11:51] only ways to pay. We will never ask you

[11:53] to wire money. Um so if uh anybody does

[11:56] receive a solicitation like that, I

[11:58] apologize uh and always feel confident

[12:00] calling us to check and make sure that

[12:02] an invoice is real. Thank you, Madam

[12:05] Chair.

[12:06] >> Sure.

[12:08] » Sure.

[12:08] >> Thank Thank you all.

[12:14] » Agenda item four, HDCR R2026-0109

[12:20] for 25 Post Office Avenue submitted by

[12:24] Margaret Samuels. The applicant is

[12:26] seeking to put in a concrete driveway

[12:30] instead of an already approved asphalt

[12:33] driveway. Miss Williams, would you like

[12:35] to present your report?

[12:38] >> Good evening, Madam Chair, commission

[12:39] » Good evening, Madam Chair, commission

[12:39] members. This is Alexis Williams,

[12:41] planner one.

[12:43] >> The applicant is seeking historic

[12:44] » The applicant is seeking historic

[12:44] district commission to approval to amend

[12:47] driveway material. The applicant is

[12:50] seeking HDC approval to amend a

[12:52] previously approved driveway material.

[12:54] The historic district commission

[12:55] approved an asphalt driveway during the

[12:58] during the March 2026 HDC meeting. The

[13:02] applicant is now requesting approval to

[13:05] install a concrete driveway in its

[13:07] place. The applicant states that

[13:09] concrete has a longer service life than

[13:11] asphalt and requires less routine

[13:13] maintenance over time. Additionally, the

[13:15] proposed concrete driveway will be

[13:17] better match the existing concrete

[13:19] garage foundation and the existing

[13:21] concrete walkway that connects to the

[13:24] driveway, creating a more cohesive

[13:26] appearance on the property. The

[13:28] applicant also notes that using the same

[13:30] material for these connected features

[13:32] may help minimize the vententral thermal

[13:36] expansion between adjacent surfaces.

[13:39] Staff recommends the historic commission

[13:41] district commission approved certificate

[13:43] number HDC R202609.

[13:49] This concludes my report. Thank you

[13:51] madam chair.

[13:55] » And is the applicant

[13:57] here?

[14:06] Are there any questions for Miss

[14:09] Williams?

[14:24] » Could I entertain a motion?

[14:33] I would like to move that we approve

[14:35] HDCR

[14:37] 2026 01 09 for 25 Post a P post office

[14:43] avenue.

[14:45] >> I second that.

[14:48] » I second that.

[14:48] >> Thank you. We have a motion to approve

[14:50] » Thank you. We have a motion to approve

[14:50] from Miss Frasier and a second from Mr.

[14:53] De Laente. Would you call the role,

[14:56] please?

[14:58] >> Miss Frasier. Yes,

[15:00] » Miss Frasier. Yes,

[15:00] >> Mr. Del.

[15:02] » Mr. Del.

[15:02] >> Yes,

[15:04] » Yes,

[15:04] >> Council President Smith.

[15:06] » Council President Smith.

[15:06] >> Yes,

[15:07] » Yes,

[15:07] >> Miss Les.

[15:08] » Miss Les.

[15:08] >> Yes,

[15:09] » Yes,

[15:09] >> Miss Muhammad.

[15:13] » Miss Muhammad.

[15:14] >> Yes. Yes,

[15:16] » Yes. Yes,

[15:16] >> Miss Mcini.

[15:18] » Miss Mcini.

[15:18] >> Yes.

[15:20] » Yes.

[15:20] >> Motion carries.

[15:21] » Motion carries.

[15:21] >> Thank you.

[15:24] » Thank you.

[15:24] Item number five, HDC

[15:30] Sorry. HDCR 2026

[15:34] 0106

[15:36] for 404 McGomery Street submitted by

[15:39] Steven Wallace. The applicant is seeking

[15:42] to replace

[15:44] the windows of his house. Miss Williams,

[15:46] would you like to present your report?

[15:49] >> Good evening, Madam Chair, commission

[15:51] » Good evening, Madam Chair, commission

[15:51] members. This is Alexis Williams,

[15:52] planner one with ECD. The applicant is

[15:54] seeking historic district commission

[15:56] approval to replace 36 windows. The

[15:59] applicant is seeking HDC approval to

[16:01] replace the existing windows at the

[16:02] property. The proposed work includes the

[16:05] replacement of 36 windows, including

[16:07] those located in the attic and basement.

[16:09] The replacement windows will fit within

[16:11] the existing window openings and will be

[16:13] double hung with a single light, no

[16:15] divided panes design that matches the

[16:18] existing window style. The existing

[16:20] windows have exceeded their useful

[16:22] service life and are in dapitated state.

[16:26] The project proposes replacing a

[16:28] combination of original wool wood single

[16:31] pane windows with added storm windows as

[16:34] lower quality vinyl only replacement

[16:37] windows that have been installed over

[16:39] time. Many of the existing windows in is

[16:42] inoperable. Certain broken panes of

[16:45] glass and will not o remain open without

[16:48] falling shut creating a safety hazard.

[16:50] The proposed replacement windows will be

[16:53] marvin double hung unit with solid wood

[16:56] interiors and vinyl clad exteriors. The

[17:00] windows will feature insulated

[17:01] doublepane glass to improve energy

[17:03] efficiency, thermal performance, and

[17:05] occupant comfort while maintaining the

[17:08] appearance of the existing windows. The

[17:10] existing frames will be placed with

[17:11] vinyl wrapped wood frames, and all

[17:14] exterior of components will be painted

[17:16] white to match the existing

[17:18] architectural style. Staff recommends

[17:21] the Historic District Commission approve

[17:23] certificate number HDCR R206106.

[17:29] This concludes my report. Thank you,

[17:31] Madam Chair.

[17:34] >> Thank you. And is the applicant present?

[17:40] » Yes, I am.

[17:42] >> Great. Do you have anything you'd like

[17:44] » Great. Do you have anything you'd like

[17:44] to add?

[17:46] Uh, I think Miss Williams made the

[17:47] windows sound really good, so I'm I'm

[17:50] even happier to be buying them. I'm

[17:52] happy to answer questions. I don't think

[17:53] I have anything to add.

[17:55] >> Okay. Uh, commissioners, questions,

[17:59] » Okay. Uh, commissioners, questions,

[17:59] comments.

[18:00] >> I have two questions.

[18:02] » I have two questions.

[18:02] >> Yes, Miss Frasier.

[18:03] » Yes, Miss Frasier.

[18:03] >> One is, what is your plan for the Queen

[18:05] » One is, what is your plan for the Queen

[18:05] Anne window next to the front door?

[18:08] >> That window is not going to be replaced.

[18:11] » That window is not going to be replaced.

[18:11] >> Okay. Um my other question is

[18:15] » Okay. Um my other question is

[18:15] it's the guidelines suggest that um

[18:20] windows be appropriate to the

[18:22] architecture of the house and when that

[18:26] house was built it would not have had

[18:29] blank windows with no

[18:33] uh mullions

[18:35] no or what they're calling paneling.

[18:38] Um, you don't need it on all of them,

[18:40] but maybe on the larger street facing

[18:43] windows, would you consider adding

[18:46] ammonium to make them two over one?

[18:50] >> Um, we have uh, sorry buddy, you have to

[18:54] » Um, we have uh, sorry buddy, you have to

[18:54] go out. We have it's a big variety in

[18:58] the house right now. Sorry, I have an

[19:00] intruder.

[19:09] 5-year-olds being notorious

[19:11] uh for respecting Zoom.

[19:14] >> Um

[19:16] » Um

[19:16] we would uh prefer not to. The house has

[19:19] a has a mod podge of of varieties and

[19:25] most of the oldest windows are actually

[19:27] the ones that have no paneling.

[19:31] Um

[19:31] >> originally they were okay. I've seen a

[19:35] » originally they were okay. I've seen a

[19:35] picture of the house when it was very

[19:36] very young.

[19:37] >> Sure. Uh my my preference is is not to I

[19:41] » Sure. Uh my my preference is is not to I

[19:41] understand the

[19:43] uh the point, but the preference is not

[19:46] to.

[19:50] » Well, that's a shame.

[20:05] Are there any other comments,

[20:08] questions?

[20:12] » Like to make a motion to approve.

[20:15] >> Okay.

[20:19] » This is Mary Alene. I'll second.

[20:22] >> Thank you. We have a motion to approve

[20:25] » Thank you. We have a motion to approve

[20:25] from Council President Smith and a

[20:28] second from Ms. Les. Would you call the

[20:30] role, please? Council President Smith.

[20:34] >> Yes.

[20:35] » Yes.

[20:35] >> Miss Lass.

[20:37] » Miss Lass.

[20:37] >> Yes.

[20:38] » Yes.

[20:38] >> Miss Frasier

[20:40] » Miss Frasier

[20:40] >> with reservations. [clears throat]

[20:43] » with reservations. [clears throat]

[20:43] >> Mr. Delopren.

[20:45] » Mr. Delopren.

[20:45] >> Yes.

[20:46] » Yes.

[20:46] >> Miss Muhammed.

[20:49] » Miss Muhammed.

[20:49] >> Yes.

[20:50] » Yes.

[20:50] >> Miss Mcini.

[20:52] » Miss Mcini.

[20:52] >> Yes.

[20:55] » Yes.

[20:55] >> Motion carries.

[20:57] » Motion carries.

[20:57] >> Thank you. Luck with your project, Mr.

[21:00] » Thank you. Luck with your project, Mr.

[21:00] Wallace.

[21:01] Uh, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

[21:05] >> Agenda item number six, HDCR R2026-0115

[21:13] for 339 Laurel Avenue submitted by

[21:17] Francisco Martinez.

[21:20] applicant

[21:22] is

[21:23] uh seeking replacement of windows and

[21:28] painting house and roof. Miss Williams,

[21:32] would you like to present your report?

[21:34] >> Good evening, madam chair and commission

[21:36] » Good evening, madam chair and commission

[21:36] members. This is Alexis Williams,

[21:38] planner one with ECD. The applicant is

[21:40] seeking historic district commission

[21:42] approval to repaint the roof and siding

[21:44] and trim and to replace the existing

[21:48] windows. The applicant is seeking HDC

[21:50] approval to replace the existing roof,

[21:53] repaint the exterior siding and trim,

[21:54] and to replace the existing exterior

[21:56] windows. The existing green laminated

[21:59] roof will be repainted with rust oium

[22:02] gloss black coating.

[22:05] The ex exterior siding and trim will be

[22:07] painted white using unifed

[22:14] window and door pro series vinyl windows

[22:17] featuring white interior and exterior

[22:20] finishes. The ex the replacement windows

[22:22] will be installed within the existing

[22:25] window opening. Staff recommends the

[22:28] historic district commission approved

[22:30] certificate number HDCR206115.

[22:36] This concludes my report. Thank you,

[22:38] Madam Chair.

[22:41] >> Is the applicant in attendance?

[22:46] » Hi.

[22:47] Um, so I've got a question to begin with

[22:52] and I don't know if this who this should

[22:54] be for exactly, but there was no window

[22:56] survey,

[23:03] but the questionnaire wasn't isn't

[23:05] there.

[23:06] >> Yes.

[23:07] » Yes.

[23:07] >> Yes, I'm Francisco. I'm here in the

[23:09] » Yes, I'm Francisco. I'm here in the

[23:09] meeting.

[23:10] >> Hello.

[23:13] » Hello.

[23:13] >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[23:15] » Oh, I'm sorry.

[23:15] >> I'm Francisco.

[23:18] » I'm Francisco.

[23:18] Yes. Thank you. All right. I apologize.

[23:22] I

[23:29] » You understand English, Mr. Martinez?

[23:32] >> Uh, yes.

[23:34] » Uh, yes.

[23:34] >> Um,

[23:36] » Um,

[23:36] so commissioners, do you have any

[23:38] questions?

[23:44] you.

[23:46] >> Well, I have a I have a concern about um

[23:51] » Well, I have a I have a concern about um

[23:51] the paint on your roof and it's a metal

[23:54] roof, not a laminate roof or enamel

[23:58] roof. Um

[24:01] I am concerned that it is lead paint and

[24:05] about your you know that roof needs to

[24:07] be scraped.

[24:10] Is what are you doing about the lead

[24:12] paint?

[24:15] Uh the the

[24:19] uh scraper the the paint is very bad.

[24:22] They scrape it the paint and then put

[24:25] the the two coins the the the

[24:28] roof and paint.

[24:30] >> Well, the concern is what happens to the

[24:33] » Well, the concern is what happens to the

[24:33] paint that you scrape off.

[24:37] You need to properly remove lead paint.

[24:41] Uh, must be just a scraper and and just

[24:46] uh do a power washer and then put a new

[24:49] paint.

[24:51] >> Okay. Well, you need to be able to

[24:53] » Okay. Well, you need to be able to

[24:53] collect everything you scrape off.

[24:56] >> Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, let's try to uh uh to

[25:00] » Oh, yes. Yes. Uh, let's try to uh uh to

[25:00] to put all together in a plastic bag.

[25:08] » Are you going I'm sorry. I have a

[25:11] question. Are you going to be doing all

[25:13] this work yourself?

[25:15] >> Uh, yes.

[25:18] » So, did you say you were going to put

[25:21] plastic down?

[25:23] >> Just put a plastic down. Let's get a put

[25:25] » Just put a plastic down. Let's get a put

[25:25] a plastic down and and then we scrape it

[25:28] to the the scraper paint come a plastic.

[25:35] I'm just a little bit concerned that the

[25:36] lead paint is properly disposed.

[25:42] Uh

[25:43] >> yes I am.

[25:44] » yes I am.

[25:44] >> Yes I am. Yes. Uh we did script it very

[25:47] » Yes I am. Yes. Uh we did script it very

[25:47] well. Yes. Do a power washer and let's

[25:51] put two coins of paint

[25:53] >> for the roof paint.

[25:57] » Okay. I

[25:59] Mr. Mishi. Does the city have rules

[26:02] about this? I know when I'm in the house

[26:04] that I'm in, we had the the paint the

[26:08] lead paint removed from the entire

[26:11] house. Not the roof was not a a painted

[26:15] roof. Um, but there were vacuums

[26:19] attached to the scrapers. There were

[26:21] drop claws all around the house to

[26:24] collect anything that escaped. You know,

[26:28] power washing seems like it would spread

[26:31] flakes of paint all over.

[26:35] >> I know when you hire a company to do it,

[26:39] » I know when you hire a company to do it,

[26:39] they have to be certified in lead

[26:41] abatement

[26:42] >> to do that kind of work.

[26:47] So typically

[26:50] we meaning economic and community

[26:52] development um don't get that engaged

[26:56] with what's on the building with

[26:57] building materials and so on and so

[26:59] forth. That's generally handled by FMPS

[27:02] the department of fire marshall and

[27:03] permit services. Um

[27:06] and I am happy to facilitate a

[27:09] conversation between the applicant and

[27:12] FMPS. I obviously don't want lead paint

[27:15] chips floating anywhere um in the city.

[27:20] Um a brief search on the city website

[27:24] doesn't lead to anything about lead

[27:27] paint regulations.

[27:29] Um but I do know obviously that they

[27:31] exist nationally.

[27:33] >> The county I believe was also

[27:36] » The county I believe was also

[27:36] >> Okay.

[27:37] » Okay.

[27:37] >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[27:38] » Yeah. [clears throat]

[27:38] What is this?

[27:40] >> So, I am happy to uh if you want to do a

[27:44] » So, I am happy to uh if you want to do a

[27:44] conditional approval or if you think I

[27:47] would say tableabling it if you'd like,

[27:49] but the August recess obviously causes

[27:52] me some concern.

[27:57] » I have one other comment.

[28:00] the paint, excuse [clears throat] me,

[28:02] the paint that was specified in the

[28:04] application,

[28:06] >> the manufacturer themselves on have said

[28:09] » the manufacturer themselves on have said

[28:10] that it is not suitable for a metal

[28:12] roof.

[28:14] It's

[28:16] you need paint that will sort of have a

[28:18] little bit of flexibility and that paint

[28:21] is very rigid.

[28:24] It won't move when it heats and cools.

[28:28] So you can contact the um manufacturer

[28:33] if you want to use Rustoleum and there

[28:36] are other paint brands that are

[28:38] specifically made for old metal roofs.

[28:43] You have um if if you just say a metal

[28:46] roof, you're going to wind up with with

[28:48] something that that isn't going to work

[28:50] for you either. It's got it's turned

[28:52] steel

[28:55] and

[28:56] it's not like the modern metal roofs

[28:59] that you see on a shopping center. Those

[29:01] require some very, very fancy paint.

[29:05] The kind of roof you have does not.

[29:09] But if you use this paint, it'll crack

[29:11] and flake just like what you have now.

[29:17] » Good afternoon everyone. Sorry I was

[29:18] waiting. This is Rahul Castillo on my on

[29:21] behalf with Francisco Martinez. I got in

[29:24] a I was waiting on the on the waiting

[29:26] room to get in the meeting. Uh my bad

[29:30] for not getting in there as soon as

[29:32] possible.

[29:33] >> It's okay. We're happy to have you now.

[29:36] » It's okay. We're happy to have you now.

[29:36] >> Happy to be here. Happy to join you guys

[29:39] » Happy to be here. Happy to join you guys

[29:39] on uh on on on this meeting.

[29:43] >> Did you hear the comments that were made

[29:45] » Did you hear the comments that were made

[29:45] earlier?

[29:46] >> No. No, I was not able to hear them. I

[29:49] » No. No, I was not able to hear them. I

[29:49] don't know if you have the time to uh go

[29:50] over the comments real quick and I can

[29:52] give feedback.

[29:54] >> We we sure do. So, I'm I'm going to

[29:56] » We we sure do. So, I'm I'm going to

[29:56] start with with mine. Um

[29:59] >> yes.

[30:00] » yes.

[30:00] >> So, I just looked up that um

[30:05] » So, I just looked up that um

[30:05] the lead abatement does rule does not

[30:08] apply to owners who perform work in

[30:11] their own residence.

[30:13] >> Correct.

[30:15] » Correct.

[30:15] >> Which is surprising to me. Um, okay. And

[30:19] » Which is surprising to me. Um, okay. And

[30:19] then Miss Frasier has a concern about

[30:22] the paint.

[30:24] >> So,

[30:25] » So,

[30:25] >> the paint that was selected, um, the

[30:29] » the paint that was selected, um, the

[30:29] Rustoleum 3931 191, if you look on the

[30:34] in the Rustoleum

[30:37] site, they do not recommend that for a

[30:40] metal roof,

[30:41] >> okay? because it's brittle

[30:43] » okay? because it's brittle

[30:43] >> and when you have

[30:45] » and when you have

[30:45] >> expansion and contraction, it'll flake

[30:47] » expansion and contraction, it'll flake

[30:47] just like what you got now.

[30:50] >> So, um

[30:51] » So, um

[30:51] >> you need something that's appropriate

[30:53] » you need something that's appropriate

[30:53] for an old turn steel roof.

[30:58] >> Yeah. And I was looking at the email uh

[31:00] » Yeah. And I was looking at the email uh

[31:00] you recommend the Rostellian

[31:02] uh Calabar uh some other waterproofing.

[31:05] We can definitely uh send that over to

[31:06] you with the product data of the color

[31:08] that we're going to use if that if

[31:10] that's okay. and and uh it shouldn't be

[31:12] an issue. We can pick the the actual uh

[31:16] an actual better brand that can actually

[31:18] withhold for uh not just five but 10

[31:20] years.

[31:22] >> That would be good.

[31:23] » That would be good.

[31:23] >> Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. I can send

[31:25] » Yeah. Yeah, I can do that. I can send

[31:25] that over tomorrow. Um if uh if you have

[31:28] any other comments, I can I can get

[31:29] working on that tomorrow morning. Uh the

[31:32] color doesn't matter because my dad was

[31:34] thinking of painting it black.

[31:39] » Doesn't matter. It would be hot.

[31:42] >> Yeah, it will be hot. Yes, I agree.

[31:48] Are there any black metal roofs

[31:52] around?

[31:54] >> Uh, I won't be able to tell you if there

[31:57] » Uh, I won't be able to tell you if there

[31:57] is.

[31:57] >> I was thinking more of the

[31:58] » I was thinking more of the

[31:58] commissioners. I'm I'm sitting here

[32:00] trying to picture a black metal roof in

[32:03] town.

[32:04] We have the metal roof over the um

[32:08] >> front porch.

[32:10] » front porch.

[32:10] >> That's metal.

[32:11] » That's metal.

[32:11] >> Okay.

[32:16] » It was just a a general comment, you

[32:19] know.

[32:20] >> Okay. Perfect.

[32:25] » Are there any other comments or

[32:27] questions?

[32:35] All right. Would anyone like to make a

[32:38] motion?

[32:49] » I'd like to make a motion to approve

[32:52] HDCR20260115

[32:56] for 339 Laurel Avenue.

[33:01] with the Would you like to add the

[33:03] condition that they use an appropriate

[33:08] paint for an old roof?

[33:11] >> Yes. Using an appropriate paint for a

[33:15] » Yes. Using an appropriate paint for a

[33:15] vintage metal roof

[33:18] >> shouldn't be an issue.

[33:20] » shouldn't be an issue.

[33:20] >> Okay,

[33:22] » Okay,

[33:22] I'll second that.

[33:25] We have a motion to approve from Miss

[33:28] Frasier and a second from Council

[33:31] President Smith. Would you call the

[33:33] role, please?

[33:35] >> Miss Frasier?

[33:36] » Miss Frasier?

[33:36] >> Yes.

[33:37] » Yes.

[33:37] >> Council President Smith?

[33:39] » Council President Smith?

[33:39] >> Yes.

[33:40] » Yes.

[33:40] >> Miss Laz?

[33:42] » Miss Laz?

[33:42] >> Yes.

[33:42] » Yes.

[33:42] >> Mr. Delurn?

[33:44] » Mr. Delurn?

[33:44] >> Yes.

[33:46] » Yes.

[33:46] >> Miss Muhammad?

[33:47] » Miss Muhammad?

[33:47] >> Yes.

[33:48] » Yes.

[33:48] >> Miss Mcini?

[33:50] » Miss Mcini?

[33:50] >> Yes.

[33:52] » Yes.

[33:52] >> Motion carries. Thank you, Adora.

[33:55] » Motion carries. Thank you, Adora.

[33:55] >> Madame Chair, I apologize. Um, there is

[33:58] » Madame Chair, I apologize. Um, there is

[33:58] a Zoom hiccup and this meeting is about

[34:00] to end. Uh, I have just pasted an

[34:03] alternate Zoom in the chat and I think

[34:06] possibly that Adora has just sent it

[34:08] out. I apologize for this it blip. Um,

[34:12] it's very embarrassing obviously. Um,

[34:15] but this Zoom is going to inevitably end

[34:18] in less than a minute. Uh, so there is a

[34:21] link um to a new Zoom that is in the

[34:24] chat. Um, and it's possible that you

[34:27] might be about to get an email as well,

[34:29] but if everybody could copy that um, and

[34:33] open a new Zoom, uh, again, I apologize

[34:36] deeply.

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[43:02] » Welcome to part two of our July HDC

[43:06] meeting. Uh, Council President Smith is

[43:11] not in attendance in part two. If he

[43:14] joins us, he will let us know.

[43:18] Agenda item number seven, HDC

[43:22] C 2027

[43:24] 00003

[43:26] for 113 St. Mary's Place submitted by

[43:30] Jeff Palumbo for Pilott High School. Um

[43:36] the school received approval in 2021

[43:40] and

[43:41] work stopped. Um so they are back. Would

[43:45] staff uh Miss Williams, would you like

[43:48] to present your report?

[43:50] >> Actually, Madam Chair, you get me.

[43:53] » Actually, Madam Chair, you get me.

[43:53] >> I soon as that came out of my mouth, I

[43:55] » I soon as that came out of my mouth, I

[43:56] knew I had the wrong name.

[43:57] >> All good. This is Jay Mishi, director of

[44:00] » All good. This is Jay Mishi, director of

[44:00] the Department of Economic and Community

[44:02] Development. Good evening, Madam Chair

[44:04] and Commission members. The applicant is

[44:06] again seeking historic district

[44:08] commission approval to conduct construct

[44:11] a 16,830q

[44:13] ft addition to St. Vincent Pilott High

[44:16] School located at 113 St. Mary's Place.

[44:20] The applicant proposes to build a

[44:22] performing arts theater onto the

[44:24] existing school fronting on the 9inth

[44:26] Street and Montgomery Street sides of

[44:29] the property. The building will have the

[44:30] following features. The exterior of the

[44:32] building will have split face masonry to

[44:35] closely match existing red brick 2 feet

[44:38] and 8 in above grade. The siding above

[44:41] the split face masonry will be Siri

[44:44] beige, royal blue, and terracotta as

[44:47] manufactured by American Buildings

[44:49] Company. The building will have white

[44:51] fixed insulated windows on the night and

[44:54] street elevation and exterior steel

[44:56] doors painted Siri beige, although you

[44:59] may note that they are rendered in

[45:01] terracotta in the architectural drawing.

[45:03] Uh the exterior lighting of the building

[45:05] will be black LED lights to project

[45:07] light no more than 50 ft from the

[45:09] building structure. No change is

[45:11] otherwise contemplated to the visible

[45:13] exterior of the property. All of the

[45:15] exterior work or rather all of the site

[45:17] work, landscaping and fencing was done

[45:20] in phase one of the project.

[45:22] The board of appeals approved the

[45:24] necessary variance for this project on

[45:26] May 28th, 2026.

[45:28] Uh as you noted, Madame Chair, um this

[45:33] was approved by the historic district

[45:34] commission on May 18th, 2021. Uh but the

[45:37] project needed to be phased due to

[45:39] financial concerns and the applicant was

[45:41] unable to begin this part of the

[45:42] construction before the previous

[45:44] approval expired 12 months after it was

[45:47] issued. The applicant's proposed

[45:49] addition appears to meet the

[45:50] requirements established in the city of

[45:52] Laurel's Unified Land Development Code

[45:54] and staff recommends the historic

[45:56] district commission approve certificate

[45:58] number HDC

[46:00] C2027003.

[46:05] Thank you. Mr. Palumbo, do you have

[46:10] anything you would like to add?

[46:12] >> Um, no. Just that uh you know, this was

[46:14] » Um, no. Just that uh you know, this was

[46:14] all um designed uh with the historic

[46:19] district commission um u you know, five

[46:22] years ago. It's totally different from

[46:25] the way it was originally designed. We

[46:27] worked very closely with the commission

[46:28] at that time. Um and we did a lot of

[46:33] things as as part of that. uh you know,

[46:37] approval. Um because we also, if you

[46:39] remember correctly, had some houses that

[46:41] had to be taken down. Um we've even gone

[46:45] as far as to save the brick from the

[46:47] historic house to be incorporated into

[46:50] this building as in the lobby of our um

[46:54] uh of of the new performing arts center.

[46:57] Um so it's all the same materials, same

[46:59] colors, everything that we originally

[47:01] started with. Um, if you've seen the

[47:04] pictures, the the the fascia on this

[47:07] project, um, it's not just follows the

[47:10] roof line. It's designed to kind of

[47:13] incorporate the rowouses to to look like

[47:16] the rowouses across the street as well.

[47:21] >> Okay. So, could you um

[47:25] » Okay. So, could you um

[47:25] put your screen on page 35?

[47:30] Whoever screen we're looking at on the

[47:33] application, could you put page 35 up

[47:36] there, please? Scroll down to 35.

[47:48] And I think we can probably rotate that

[47:50] for you as well.

[48:01] Is it?

[48:07] » So that picture in the upper right, Mr.

[48:10] Columbia. That's what we'll be seeing

[48:12] from Ninth Street.

[48:13] >> Yes. Yes, ma'am.

[48:14] » Yes. Yes, ma'am.

[48:14] >> Okay. Um and at some point I heard

[48:17] » Okay. Um and at some point I heard

[48:17] someone mention the fencing and

[48:19] landscaping was complete. I have not

[48:22] seen any trees planted.

[48:24] >> No, the landscaping has not been

[48:25] » No, the landscaping has not been

[48:26] completed. We um planted trees on the uh

[48:30] and bushes on the um on the side where

[48:35] the uh Keesler Center is and some in the

[48:38] front. Uh, but we didn't do anything in

[48:41] the back yet because we knew that we

[48:43] would still be having construction, but

[48:45] the landscaping plan is through the

[48:47] county and that's all to be done

[48:50] completed at the end of this project.

[48:55] » There's there's over 200 plants that

[48:57] will be going in.

[48:59] >> Okay. I mean, I I was kind of, you know,

[49:02] » Okay. I mean, I I was kind of, you know,

[49:02] I've been waiting for the trees as I

[49:05] drive on Ninth Street because I think

[49:07] your neighbors would really appreciate

[49:11] trees and the best time to plant a tree

[49:14] is yesterday.

[49:17] Are there any other comments or

[49:19] questions from any commissioners?

[49:22] >> Where exactly is the theater edition

[49:24] » Where exactly is the theater edition

[49:24] going?

[49:27] So, if you have been on the back side of

[49:30] Ninth Street and you've seen the uh the

[49:34] these colors

[49:36] uh back there, are you familiar with

[49:38] that?

[49:39] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[49:39] » Mhm. [clears throat]

[49:39] >> So, that was supposed this was all

[49:42] » So, that was supposed this was all

[49:42] supposed to be built at the same time

[49:44] and when COVID hit the price of

[49:47] everything went up so high that we

[49:49] didn't have the funds. So, uh, this

[49:51] group actually approved us to do what we

[49:54] did at that point knowing that this was

[49:56] coming later. Um, and so it's just added

[50:00] on. If you, if you look back there where

[50:02] that is, you see the sidewalks and this

[50:05] goes right inside the sidewalks. All the

[50:07] sidewalks and all the underground stuff

[50:09] was done knowing that this was coming in

[50:11] the future. So, it fits right in there

[50:14] where the uh sidewalks outline the gray

[50:17] and the the green field in the back

[50:20] there. So, it's it's added on to

[50:25] what we built in 2020 24.

[50:32] » Still don't know where it's going.

[50:34] >> Okay. So, if if you're if you're looking

[50:35] » Okay. So, if if you're if you're looking

[50:36] at this picture here,

[50:38] you're looking at a view from 9inth

[50:40] Street. Yes.

[50:42] >> Back towards almost like where the um

[50:45] » Back towards almost like where the um

[50:45] the Union Hall is.

[50:47] >> Uhhuh.

[50:48] » Uhhuh.

[50:48] >> And you're looking back at Pilates

[50:50] » And you're looking back at Pilates

[50:50] property from the Union Hall back

[50:54] towards Pilott.

[50:57] So it this is right up, you know, this

[51:00] this side comes out to almost to Ninth

[51:03] Street.

[51:04] So, this is going right in front of the

[51:07] gymnasium

[51:09] where there's currently a a grassy area

[51:12] that looks like it could be an athletic

[51:14] field but is not.

[51:16] >> Correct.

[51:17] » Correct.

[51:17] >> Oh, okay.

[51:22] » There is not a very clear illustration

[51:25] anywhere on this.

[51:27] >> A site plan of some kind. Yeah,

[51:29] » A site plan of some kind. Yeah,

[51:29] >> there's a there's a site plan earlier

[51:31] » there's a there's a site plan earlier

[51:31] on. There is, but it is very hard to

[51:33] read.

[51:34] >> So, I think if I may, um, if you look at

[51:37] » So, I think if I may, um, if you look at

[51:37] this picture that's that's in the top

[51:40] right corner, um, and you know, if you

[51:43] start at where that tree is, which is

[51:46] the corner of the proposed theater, and

[51:48] you move over to the right, you can see

[51:50] a building with sort of a sloping up

[51:53] roof line.

[51:54] >> Mhm.

[51:54] » Mhm.

[51:54] >> You see that? So, that sloping up roof

[51:56] » You see that? So, that sloping up roof

[51:56] line is the current athletic building.

[52:00] And between that sloping roof line

[52:02] building and the parking lot, there's

[52:03] currently a large square of grass.

[52:07] Does that help at all?

[52:08] >> Yeah, I think so.

[52:11] » Yeah, I think so.

[52:11] >> Okay.

[52:13] » Okay.

[52:13] >> So, the the theater will be facing

[52:15] » So, the the theater will be facing

[52:15] Montgomery.

[52:18] » Uh yeah. Well, it it's in the corner of

[52:22] this building

[52:24] um facing 9inth and Montgomery. It's

[52:27] it's right in that corner where the tree

[52:29] is. Okay.

[52:30] >> The the the rest of the building is is

[52:33] » The the the rest of the building is is

[52:33] um so the seating I mean the theater is

[52:36] about 210 seats. So it's it's it takes

[52:38] up about maybe 30% of this building and

[52:41] the rest of it is a dance studio and

[52:44] studios for all the performing arts.

[52:46] >> Wonderful.

[52:52] » Okay. On page 28 I have one more

[52:54] question. Mhm.

[52:56] >> Um, where did those lights go?

[53:02] » Where are we?

[53:03] >> Page 28.

[53:10] » 27 28.

[53:13] >> Those are those those are not approved

[53:16] » Those are those those are not approved

[53:16] lights. That's not what we have.

[53:21] » Where there's some gooseeneck.

[53:23] >> They're they're goose neck. I'm sorry.

[53:24] » They're they're goose neck. I'm sorry.

[53:24] This is Leonard Davis. They're

[53:25] gooseeneck lights. That's not That was

[53:27] those wall.

[53:31] » Yeah.

[53:32] The the lights that we have up there now

[53:35] are the ones that were approved by by

[53:37] the commission. These were not not

[53:40] approved.

[53:41] >> Okay.

[53:42] » Okay.

[53:42] >> I don't know why they're still in there,

[53:43] » I don't know why they're still in there,

[53:43] but yeah.

[53:48] » Okay.

[53:49] >> Thank you. Any other comments or

[53:52] » Thank you. Any other comments or

[53:52] questions?

[53:54] So, which lights are they going to be

[53:56] using?

[54:00] » Um,

[54:03] they're they're an LE LED goose neck

[54:05] light. Um, per the rendering, it's kind

[54:06] of I think it's shown in the rendering

[54:08] pretty well. They've got like a um

[54:10] >> a metal stem that comes over and down.

[54:12] » a metal stem that comes over and down.

[54:12] It's kind of like a a classic a classic

[54:15] look. So, it's not industrial like that.

[54:18] >> There is an illustr There is a photo of

[54:21] » There is an illustr There is a photo of

[54:21] them. I'm looking to see what page

[54:26] page six

[54:36] there. That's it right there.

[54:38] >> All right. Yeah, that's much better.

[54:40] » All right. Yeah, that's much better.

[54:40] Yeah.

[54:42] >> Yeah.

[54:47] » Any other questions?

[54:51] Madam chair, this is Mary Lane.

[54:55] >> Yes.

[54:55] » Yes.

[54:55] >> I move to approve HDC

[54:58] » I move to approve HDC

[54:58] C

[55:00] 2027

[55:03] 0003 for 113 St. Mary's Place Pilates

[55:08] High School.

[55:11] >> Could I hear a second?

[55:13] » Could I hear a second?

[55:13] >> I second that motion.

[55:16] » I second that motion.

[55:16] >> Great. Aduro, we have a motion to

[55:18] » Great. Aduro, we have a motion to

[55:18] approve from Miss Les and a second from

[55:22] uh Mr. De Laquente. Would you call the

[55:24] role, please?

[55:26] >> Miss Les,

[55:27] » Miss Les,

[55:27] >> yes.

[55:28] » yes.

[55:28] >> Mr. Delente,

[55:30] » Mr. Delente,

[55:30] >> yes.

[55:31] » yes.

[55:31] >> Miss Frasier,

[55:32] » Miss Frasier,

[55:32] >> yes.

[55:33] » yes.

[55:33] >> Miss Muhammad,

[55:35] » Miss Muhammad,

[55:35] >> yes.

[55:36] » yes.

[55:36] >> Miss Mcini,

[55:38] » Miss Mcini,

[55:38] >> yes.

[55:39] » yes.

[55:39] >> Motion carries.

[55:41] » Motion carries.

[55:41] >> You Thank you for coming back, Mr.

[55:43] » You Thank you for coming back, Mr.

[55:43] Palumbo.

[55:44] >> Thank you all very Thank you very much.

[55:47] » Thank you all very Thank you very much.

[55:47] We're excited. Excited to get it going

[55:49] here. Thank you very much.

[55:50] >> Been a while. Sure.

[55:53] » Been a while. Sure.

[55:53] >> Thanks. All right. Goodbye. Thanks.

[55:55] » Thanks. All right. Goodbye. Thanks.

[55:55] >> You're very welcome. Have a good night.

[55:57] » You're very welcome. Have a good night.

[55:58] >> You, too.

[55:59] » You, too.

[55:59] >> Um, we had some tax credits approved. We

[56:03] » Um, we had some tax credits approved. We

[56:03] had staff approvals.

[56:06] Uh, any questions?

[56:15] If not,

[56:18] I would entertain a motion to adjourn

[56:33] from anyone.

[56:36] >> I move that we adjourn.

[56:38] » I move that we adjourn.

[56:38] >> Thank you. Uh, Miss Frasier, uh, we will

[56:42] » Thank you. Uh, Miss Frasier, uh, we will

[56:42] not have a meeting in we don't have a

[56:46] meeting in August. So, I wish you a good

[56:50] rest of the summer and hope

[56:55] hope it's cooler than it has been.

[56:57] [laughter]

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Virtual 893rd Historic District Commission Meeting 7/21/26

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