[0:05] Good

[0:11] evening. It is 6-0-1. Welcome to the Auditality City Council of Student Taxation, public hearing. Tonight is Tuesday, August the 11th. We are here at the municipal town hall in the capital chambers. This is our anchor location. We are also available for participation on the line via Zoom.

[0:34] This is the official Oggy Valley Biscoll here, 27 Treatment Taxation Public Hearing.

[0:44] We've had months of discussions in all of our public meetings about budgets, as well

[0:51] as Treatment Taxation, much communication via the newspaper, and e-blogs and things like

[0:59] that we even have public hearing back in June. But it was extra one, not the official one.

[1:05] This tonight is the official treatment vaccination fiscal 27 of the year.

[1:11] So just want to give a brief introduction and a couple of

[1:22] sorry, yes. Before I go into the infection, I guess I will do a quick roll call

[1:27] I hope you have a very good journey to your step.

[1:29] Council members that are present tonight,

[1:33] our Council members take that.

[1:34] Shala, Holtland, and Julian Baker.

[1:37] Council member Booth is absent.

[1:40] I'm Mayor Wampler.

[1:42] We have our reporter and our IT director

[1:44] with us this evening as well.

[1:46] We will get started with the collegiate.

[1:48] So, everybody who's able to please stand.

[1:53] I'd like to introduce you to the slide.

[1:56] How do you like to stay still there?

[1:57] that. And two, we've got a golden chance.

[2:01] Quite a nation.

[2:02] I did a lot.

[2:03] In the physical.

[2:04] We can deliver a duty and express from.

[2:07] And we'll follow that for the moment.

[2:28] Thank you.

[2:30] All right, all right.

[2:31] I'll go back to my introduction.

[2:32] And that is.

[2:34] So many of you will know that we have been on a dual path

[2:38] when it comes to finances on the budget for our brand new

[2:42] We have had multiple requirements by the state on where to comply in order to do both and basically we're doing through the taxation if we're not doing through the taxation.

[2:53] We have hit every requirement for the if we don't do through the taxation.

[2:59] Tonight is the final required public hearing and requirements for if we were to do the taxation.

[3:09] This public hearing was noticed, it has been noticed from the state in the county city,

[3:22] but the state was city, followed all the regulations.

[3:26] But the reason we're here tonight in particular is that we have a current open appeal with the Utah State Supreme Court.

[3:38] As such, we will continue with our previously noticed public hearing because there has been no funding judgment on that case.

[3:47] So tonight is a public hearing. The purpose of these hearings are for council to listen to the residents to give another opportunity for residents to speak to us to have their comments not just put forward but also recorded into the public record.

[4:08] You will notice, and I know it can be frustrating, there will not be a back and forth, there will

[4:12] not be questions and answers and all of that. That is not how public hearing is conducted

[4:17] and anxiety.

[4:20] These are prescribed regulations. This is strictly time to hear from you all.

[4:25] So we can have answer periods or further discussion at a different opinion afterwards.

[4:32] No action is what I'll be taking tonight. It's important that everybody understand that.

[4:36] There is no action that is noticed as well as no further business besides the public hearing this evening.

[4:44] There is action that it has been put on the agenda for next week, which is Tuesday, August 18th, so be aware of that.

[4:55] And I think, let's see, no action.

[4:59] This is all about gathering information.

[5:00] So you'll see us take notes.

[5:03] Please understand.

[5:04] We will be responding.

[5:07] And then I want to introduce our finance director.

[5:12] So she will give a, this is Sherry Broadway.

[5:14] She's from Kansas, UCP.

[5:16] She's going to get a short presentation to be a broad overview of the budget

[5:21] that we have been discussing and has been made public

[5:24] as soon as that in May.

[5:29] And so it's important for everyone to have a chance.

[5:31] These are numbers based on Missile 27

[5:36] and she's going to present not only the information,

[5:40] but also specific information that,

[5:43] according to the Truth and Taxation rules,

[5:46] she is required to say it.

[5:48] So Miss Robert, take it away.

[5:51] So I just want to start off by saying the proposed tax increase would add an additional add the loram tax revenue of 2.475138 million for a residential homeowner with an average residence that would be an increase of 535 dollars and 66 per year for a business with the same valuation that would be 973 dollars and 94 cents per year.

[6:21] Without a tax increase, the road funding in the decreased budget will, the road funding

[6:26] is decreased. The city is going to start looking at transportation utility fee. There is

[6:32] a study that will have to take place before it's implemented. But that is the plan to help

[6:37] bridge that gap in the funding for roads. The municipal energy tax will continue. That

[6:44] is something that the council wanted to decrease or actually get rid of if they could increase

[6:51] taxes. Staffing options will be limited. There will be decreased amount for staffing. The

[6:57] stormwater study will have to be delayed and responses to a crest will be slower. There will

[7:02] be less employees to help and the grant matching funds will be limited.

[7:10] One thing about the tax

[7:11] It is hard to compare apples to apples.

[7:15] Cells tax revenues do vary by community.

[7:18] There's differences in property values and tax space.

[7:22] So even if two different people have the same tax rate,

[7:26] depending on their evaluation of their homes,

[7:28] they would be paying different amounts.

[7:32] And two communities that have the same tax rate could get different amounts of money

[7:35] just based off of the tax base that they have.

[7:38] different services are funded by different cities so they have different pools of cash that they can pull from for their expenses.

[7:45] Growth, infrastructure and debt all differ tax rates alone don't reflect the service levels.

[7:53] A lower tax rate does not always mean a lower tax burden and also a very low starting rate can make percentage increases appear large.

[8:02] and we just wanted to, what?

[8:05] Go back to the slides, put it down.

[8:09] One before that.

[8:12] Thank you.

[8:14] Thank you.

[8:17] Yes, we have.

[8:20] I wish you tell everybody.

[8:22] Okay.

[8:22] How much time do you think so?

[8:25] You've published them on the public website and I have to add.

[8:29] Okay.

[8:54] So this

[8:59] is the proposed tax rate and it will vary a little bit once we get the state

[9:06] numbers, but this is just more to show that it's not the very highest. It's not the very lowest.

[9:13] There are three zeros in front of the nine, so that does make a difference.

[9:18] But it's not apples to apples. Some cities will have more sales tax, so their property tax can be

[9:23] lower. The property valuations in your community are higher, so all of that needs to be taken into

[9:30] consideration when you do compare tax rates, and these are based off of the 2025 adopted rates,

[9:37] so some of these may have changed, but that was the calculated proposed number that was used for

[9:44] the budget. If you want detailed information for the budget, there is a budget book online on the

[9:51] finance page that gives more information about the transportation utility fee. There's a FAQ,

[9:58] there's department summaries, there's details on the proposed staffing, there's also tax relief

[10:05] programs that you can get through the Weber County Auditors website but tonight we really wanted

[10:12] to give time for the public to speak and have more time if there's time after and the council wants

[10:18] to go line by line through the budget we can or if they have questions that I don't have answers

[10:23] for right away we can have those available at the next meeting but we just wanted to give a brief

[10:28] overview of kind of the scale of the tax increase and where you can find more

[10:32] information. So I'll turn the time over to the council. Thank you. Thank you. The

[10:41] council member shot me. If everyone knows where to buy the budget or the budget or

[10:46] everything else, I'm not sure. I'll just tell you if you're not aware.

[10:57] So with all

[10:58] and that everything is linked right there.

[10:59] It's also right up, you can download it on your home computer.

[11:01] You can look at it right there online as well as you can have

[11:04] any copies of all the public meetings and the office.

[11:08] Any good quick comment?

[11:10] Okay, Sherry, get a note about property texture,

[11:15] belief, and proof to content.

[11:18] Anticipating, this is an interest in everyone

[11:20] in the Auton Valley News this week and will be an article

[11:25] talk to you about all the various ways of tax relief, veterans, seniors, income

[11:33] based, all stated there, and with home-to-contents, and why I'm going to do. So

[11:40] regardless of where this current tax year goes, look at those things they might

[11:46] apply to you to help you get relief. I'm going to go ahead and open the public

[11:52] So the point of tonight is for you all to get to see to us.

[11:57] So we want to make sure that we have plenty of time for people.

[12:00] Everyone wants to go in the room and online.

[12:04] Read explanation of how this works online.

[12:06] We didn't get back a couple of times.

[12:08] And so there is not a public chat online.

[12:12] Some staff is violated.

[12:14] There is the ability to seek what we need.

[12:17] Anyone's online to do is either raise your hand or direct message.

[12:20] the IT director, his name is Kathy Zadell. She will let us know. She will let me

[12:26] abuse. She will present, you know, tell us your name and people will be able to speak and

[12:30] present. We do start with the people who are in the room and then we go to people online.

[12:35] So please be patient online, but understand that that is the procedure. Raise your hand or

[12:40] direct message. Kathy Zadell, the IT director and she will make sure that you get a chance to speak

[12:45] You are electronically related to somebody.

[12:48] Hi, yes, I'm not getting that.

[12:50] So for people in the room, the request is due to particular.

[12:55] Okay.

[12:56] That you will come forward.

[12:58] There's apparently a piece of tape on the floor.

[13:00] If that allows the adult to pick you up, but audibly and visually.

[13:04] Please state your name and where you live.

[13:06] We need that for the record.

[13:08] And then you are free to speak that one difference of a public hearing.

[13:12] to regular public comment is the only topic on today's agenda is the potential to max increase.

[13:19] So tonight is not the night to come and talk about code enforcement or anything else,

[13:23] it's the tax increase or if you want to talk about the budget code enforcement then that would

[13:28] I guess apply, but not any other topic. So, did you name your address and your free to speak? We do

[13:35] ask that you limit it to between two and three minutes simply because we want to make sure that

[13:41] everyone has a chance to speak, and we have people in the rarest bed on my. So with that,

[13:48] the floor is yours. Yes sir.

[13:53] We're going to run a timer. So probably, I'll ask if we can see this.

[14:00] Yep, pretty good. And yeah, we'll put it right out here.

[14:07] and after you say your name, yeah, I'll just say your name, can you see it?

[14:16] Okay. One time's over, Emma.

[14:18] You know, okay.

[14:22] Okay, hey, my name's Don Smurl.

[14:25] I live in North Fork in Liberty.

[14:30] And I'm going to tease this guy.

[14:34] Okay, so first of all, I want to note that I spoke with Art and Cook, who's the Utah

[14:44] Corporation, when it contacted, and covers an office today, and got some information and

[14:50] have some options suggested.

[14:53] So, first of all, this whole incorporation happened to me.

[15:00] Two reasons. One, supposedly we have a voice, and also in the feasibility study, findings illustrate

[15:11] that will likely result in at least a 5% budget surplus, and no additional Ogden Valley

[15:18] tax rate is necessary. The surplus allows the incorporation process to proceed.

[15:23] Okay, we played, we paid LRB, I say we, because I'm kind of

[15:30] governor's office paid $26,000 for it.

[15:34] Yet what we see is on the hook for it for the next five years to pay it back.

[15:39] Okay, it's part of being for creation fees, okay?

[15:43] So,

[15:48] so we talked a little bit about different services that may be offered

[15:54] heard that maybe weren't operated originally through the county.

[16:00] I don't know what those are, I can't ask the question, but that's something that the

[16:05] basically is I'm trying to figure out how we got so far away from a 5% surplus to asking

[16:14] for 500 and plus a percent, okay? It just doesn't jive. Options. Now I know we're already

[16:25] in litigation and all that business, okay? I don't want us to go into why we were issued

[16:39] I'm not going to be willing to do that, but there are a few options.

[16:44] So I asked him, I said, well, what about a lieutenant governor waiver?

[16:49] And he said, well, Agna Valley City hasn't formally requested that, so I would ask that

[16:55] we do that.

[16:58] I mean, all I can do is say no, at least that way, maybe they might take a little bit of

[17:06] in response to the burden.

[17:09] A reduced increase, that's removed once the property tax

[17:13] authorization is implemented.

[17:16] And then the third option, which is kind of a nuclear option,

[17:19] is no reduction in this raise, but it is removed once

[17:23] the property tax authorization is implemented.

[17:27] Because then that would jow with the feasibility study

[17:33] and those amounts, OK?

[17:37] Thank you very much.

[17:41] You didn't agree minutes, you're a risk of the bottle.

[17:44] In my advance, Ben, I live in Liberty 3316 East 50s, me under normal, so I just have some

[17:54] questions.

[17:55] I mean, I'm just, it just seems to me like you guys are creating a situation of double

[18:01] taxation, because I think that we played our money that we were counting for, it's not

[18:09] that money go. I mean, I think you've tried to explain it, but I don't follow your explanations

[18:15] at all. And I think there's things being covered up that you're not telling us.

[18:21] And then my next question is, if I have such a large tax increase,

[18:25] when our taxes are a righty sky high, then we were paying we were Ken. So, my taxes,

[18:31] you know, I'm paying close to $5,000 in taxes. When I first moved here 30 years ago,

[18:35] I was paying $1,200 in taxes. That's a gigantic tax increase. And most of that's been in the last five years

[18:42] these pension increases. And of course, we were counting on you, but the still tax increase.

[18:48] And then I'm wondering, I'm in our own city, that's not much more expensive than when we were down

[18:54] it was running in. Why are you doing this? It doesn't make any sense to me. And then

[19:01] You know, this is this may seem pretty pretty anti what you're doing, but I didn't vote for this. So I have a try to go back to the way it was and reality.

[19:12] And then I think

[19:12] I think you're pushing people out that are on fixing things like me just retired. And I'm wondering how am I going to be able to live up here.

[19:24] Am I going to have to move somewhere else? Thank you.

[19:27] Thank you.

[19:27] Did you get it?

[19:28] Yes,

[19:35] I called it pretty even.

[19:36] My name is Ray Ross.

[19:37] I live in Liberty.

[19:38] A lot of my wife.

[19:40] I'm recently retired.

[19:40] So I'm now facing the fixed income.

[19:45] The feasibility study, I believe, was done.

[19:47] Excuse my ignorance.

[19:48] But during a strong snow season,

[19:52] excuse me, we're coming in.

[19:54] They were paying a lot of money.

[19:55] We were getting upwards of $3 million.

[19:57] That would go into the county.

[19:59] But we were losing that.

[20:00] I don't know precise dates and such of that percentage in this feasibility study.

[20:07] The platform that you ran on was, we're not going to raise taxes, that's where I

[20:14] heard the first couple of meetings, we're going to move forward, we're going to do our best,

[20:19] at least for the first year.

[20:21] I may be off on that, however.

[20:24] Next year, we're going to hear net following, if the snow comes up, and the skiers come back,

[20:29] We get our money back. Thank you.

[20:33] Thank you.

[20:47] My name is Jeff Burden, 74 Taiwanese, 500 North.

[20:52] I've been here for 46 years.

[20:56] I appreciate the council.

[21:00] All you're trying to do to make this work.

[21:02] The problem is,

[21:05] It's fantasy bill builds on a faulty foundation.

[21:10] State law was set up as I understand it to ensure

[21:14] a new incorporation could stand on its own feet for years

[21:21] without a tank tax increase and without a captain services.

[21:27] Obviously, it's a faulty study.

[21:33] the vote never should have taken place. The city never should have been incorporated

[21:39] because it doesn't meet the criteria obviously standing on its own feet. Now

[21:47] every one of these scenes in this little hand-acting gave us if you give us

[21:52] the tax increase we're going to do be able to do all these scenes. Well guess what?

[21:58] the county already did all these things with no tax increase. If we weren't

[22:05] incorporated we would have no tax increase and we would be getting better

[22:10] services than we are now. Understanding you're trying to cut expenses by not

[22:18] filling thought holes and other things. Well the county would have been filling

[22:23] the polls, and we would have had no tax increase. So my request to you is to see Council

[22:32] the people, is that you petition the legislature, the governor's office, to provide an opportunity

[22:41] for us to rapidly disincorporate fantasy bill, because it just goes into the good.

[22:49] But we've

[22:54] got to be real real because these increases

[22:59] that are facing us all are going to really hurt

[23:03] a lot of people.

[23:05] Some people don't care, a lot of people do care.

[23:09] And it'll hurt them, it'll drive them out of the valley.

[23:12] And there goes the valley character.

[23:15] Thank you.

[23:16] Thank you.

[23:28] Hi, my name's Anita Golden.

[23:30] And I live here with myself.

[23:39] I'm going to read it because it's three minutes exactly.

[23:46] We voted to form a new city based on the information presented to residents at the time of

[23:52] a proposal was brought for us.

[23:54] We were told that a significant portion of the revenue generated within our community was

[23:59] going to other entities or city and that forming your own city would allow those revenues to remain

[24:04] within our community. We are also led to believe that creating the new city would not result in any

[24:09] increase in our property taxes. Now we have a newly formed city, newly elected officials and a very

[24:15] different financial reality being presented to us. We are told that a 512% increase in proposed

[24:21] property tax may be necessary to provide the infrastructure and services required to operate the city.

[24:27] That is the fundamental departure from what many residents understood and relied upon

[24:32] and voting for cityhood.

[24:35] In the financial assumptions presented in voters, they have changed so dramatically if

[24:41] the financial assumptions are provoked, presented in voters have changed so dramatically.

[24:45] The residents are now facing the possibility of the substantial tax increase.

[24:49] Technically, we have an obligation to step back and reconsider whether forming a new city

[24:54] was in fact the best and in the best interest of our community.

[24:57] I also believe the community deserves clear explanation regarding the private company

[25:01] that audit and the board evaluated of the city and determine the city was financially

[25:06] sustained.

[25:07] It's not about criticizing or nearly that elected officials who are opposing responsible

[25:13] funding for necessary infrastructure, it's about accountability and transfers transparency.

[25:19] If the circumstances and financial realities are substantially different from what was

[25:24] presented voters and residents should have the opportunity to reconsider the decision

[25:28] to form the city.

[25:30] I respectfully request that our elected officials investigate the visibility and legal process

[25:35] of dissolving or repealing the newly formed city and returning governance to the county rather

[25:41] than imposing a dramatic tax increase on residents to sustain the structure that voters may not

[25:46] have approved, have incurred financial information and been presented at a time. At a minimum,

[25:53] before a significant tax increase is adopted, residents should be provided with the FAFs. We voted

[25:58] for cityhood based on the information provided to us. If that information is no longer reflex reality,

[26:07] we deserve the opportunity to reconsider that decision.

[26:10] If anyone

[26:23] else, they won't come back after we go online.

[26:26] That's just anybody else that was made up to speak

[26:29] from in the house.

[26:34] I think they're in there.

[26:35] Sorry.

[26:39] I'm Ben Hollis.

[26:40] I live at 2243 East 6825 North.

[26:47] As we considered the option of becoming an Ogden Valley

[26:54] city. I predicted that inserting another level of government would cost us a lot of money.

[27:06] That seems to have come true.

[27:11] All I have seen, and I know that you work hard, that you're not

[27:19] I'm cell raised and have volunteered your services.

[27:25] I think that it, the 500% increase in one line on the property tax bill seems excessive.

[27:43] We're still paying for schools and other things through the Weaver County apparently.

[27:51] But this one line now is going to increase 500% and I suspect that the reason that it is increasing is because we are inserting a new level of government cost money.

[28:16] All that you have outlined are apparently things that you see that we need to do.

[28:25] But it seems that under Weaver County, we were doing just fine on all of those things.

[28:36] I am wondering and would like any explanation that anybody can give me as to what are we

[28:46] getting for a 500 percent increase in a single line item. Thank you very much.

[28:54] Thank you.

[29:08] Everybody covered everything that I wanted to say on Michael Wire,

[29:11] it was about 3916 North, 3500 East in Liberty.

[29:18] My question, you said you aren't going to answer

[29:21] questions here, but my question maybe you could put on the website or whatnot. Can we go back?

[29:26] Can we go back to re-recount my service?

[29:30] That's a little bit.

[29:38] The other is a room.

[29:39] And I'll come back to the room as well.

[29:42] That is everybody on the other hand.

[29:43] Yes.

[29:45] Megan, I'm sending you that on mute comments.

[29:48] So you can go ahead and have a good time.

[29:54] Okay.

[29:55] Thank you.

[29:55] Megan Bowen 417-4 Sunrise.

[29:58] and

[30:01] I'm confused about the current status and not being able to collect taxes because of the

[30:09] January 2 filing. So is this gap funding until we can collect taxes? I don't know the

[30:19] law or the process, but is this a one-time, one-year tax increase to cover uncollectable

[30:26] city property taxes, or is this a rate height effective in perpetuity? Once the city can

[30:34] legally collect taxes next year, will property taxes be reverted to what they would have

[30:40] been in this year if the city could have collected property taxes? And can this increase be presented

[30:47] and framed as a quote assessment versus a tax to cover the deficit as gap funding so that

[30:53] that our exposure for this significant rate hike is not permanent.

[30:59] You know, what happens, you know, I mean, once we establish this 500 plus percent rate

[31:06] hike to cover gap funding, can we go back and will the taxes be reduced or are we looking

[31:14] at this forever?

[31:16] That's, you know, my question and my confusion in this process.

[31:21] Thank you very much.

[31:22] Thank you.

[31:25] Is there a way to ask us to write down those questions so we can work with them in our

[31:29] inquiries.

[31:30] Oh, perfect.

[31:31] So much for us.

[31:35] Thank you guys.

[31:36] Yes.

[31:36] I would like to ask.

[31:38] Thanks for saying that.

[31:39] Thank you.

[31:39] Thank you very much.

[31:40] Thank you for your comments.

[31:41] Oh,

[31:51] my name is Dan Hickson, 3385, he'll lane you need him.

[31:56] My comments are similar to what everybody else has been saying that if this 500% is just

[32:03] getting us to baseline, then I think we need to have a serious conversation about reverting

[32:10] the incorporation, or at least having a vote of whether or not we want to go back to

[32:16] county control. Beyond that, I would like to see if there were any other creative solutions

[32:22] that were kind of researched, for instance, is there a way that we could maybe add a non-resident property tax for houses that sit, you know, six, nine months out of the year without people living in them.

[32:38] To kind of offload that tax burden on the citizens that live here full time.

[32:43] just creative solutions like that that could kind of ease the pain a little bit

[32:49] of this if there's no chance of going back to being unincorporated territory.

[32:54] That's that's all I have.

[32:57] Thank you very much.

[33:03] Great.

[33:04] I'm sending you an on mute comment.

[33:14] Sorry.

[33:15] I don't really want it used to be up to

[33:34] get off of the speaker.

[33:36] Okay.

[33:37] We got you now.

[33:40] Is that better?

[33:43] Okay, my name is Greg Friedman, I'm at 3436, Big Piney and Eden and I just wanted to rehash

[33:49] or accept, I'm sorry, I don't want to rehash whatever one has said but I want to point

[33:54] out a couple of things and my background is finance and simple math.

[34:00] And when we look at not just this year and this particular shortfall that we have, I think

[34:06] we also have to look out whether it's three years, five years, ten years, and realize we're going to

[34:11] have continuing shortfalls if we continue on the path we've got. Two main things, drive that.

[34:17] One, the five of you who I consider service angels for doing what you've done are unpaid.

[34:24] I don't know that that's realistic to think is going to happen forever.

[34:28] I think the staffing is going to continue to increase, so our overhead as the city is going to increase.

[34:34] I also had brought up the topic on the sunsetting of some potential taxes that are being used for bridging the gap and at the time the city council had said that it would not be appropriate to set a sunset, even though they're usefulness for which they were being allocated was would have been expired.

[34:55] So, I think it's important to be on the record that forgetting where you fall politically or opinion on this, the math is not mapping on how we're trying to do this. Thank you.

[35:06] Thank you.

[35:14] I will not have the time.

[35:16] I will go back the room and see if anybody else has anything they want to say regarding the chance to support.

[35:32] I'm just looking at your guys in the budget, and I have a few questions coming from a business standpoint, because you're proposing raising your admin costs by $1.3 million for an alleged three physicians, and I highly doubt your paying them $433,000 each a year.

[35:49] Why even without the proposed budget, it's going up 900,000 yet your road work without the budget will only go up three.

[35:56] Your road work is going to go up less than your admin budget coming from a business standpoint.

[36:01] When you overstast a number to produce, not really a good business sense.

[36:07] I suggest take some of those admin, review them, put in more full-time public works departments, more road maintenance, and you'll have everything you want without everybody being pissed.

[36:17] that

[36:23] was Martin, 43, 15, sunrise, drive reading, just a very short comment.

[36:30] One, I remain very optimistic about Odden Valley City.

[36:34] So I wanted to not be the, I didn't want you to think the whole room was only one side.

[36:38] I do have an expectation that the 500% find out and the people are talking about as a stop gap measure.

[36:45] And I did a casual read of the things that have been published about it.

[36:49] And it does seem that the timing is an exceptional situation, and I have confidence that you guys will work through it, and I also think that the voluntary board is not sustainable.

[37:01] In due course, that should be accounted for as well. That's all I have to say.

[37:05] Thank you.

[37:30] I'm not going to rush to close, we can't really speak, we'll just hang out here for a minute

[37:41] and if somebody raises a hand, but in the room or online, happy to let me know if I'm

[37:47] Yes, sir. Would you explain the route when they process from this point forward that you will take the route of

[38:00] To the exact station. Yes, anything that you're going to do to track taxation, one track taxation, how are you going to work through all of this and make a decision?

[38:17] So I'll just say, I'm not the procedure. I'm not allowed to get into that work. I know

[38:24] that sounds really frustrating. I'm happy to stay after talking to anyone who wants to talk to me.

[38:29] But when I'll restate from the intro is that no action is stated tonight. This is strictly adhering from the public again.

[38:36] There is an agenda item next Tuesday at our regular council meeting where we will have.

[38:42] of there is discussion and action on the budget.

[38:49] So that would be coming up next Tuesday at 6 p.m.

[38:54] right here in this room.

[38:56] We have an open appeal.

[38:58] Obviously, that would open appeal at the state supreme court

[39:01] that has not been, has not had a judgment on.

[39:05] And that's why I can stay tonight.

[39:07] But I'm happy after the public hearing to stick around.

[39:10] I was like to anyone who wants to talk to me.

[39:11] Yeah, so how like all the comments we just made and what not how are those

[39:15] processed what what's going to like how are you going to debate over those the comments.

[39:23] And I think it's that those should be shouldn't.

[39:26] Okay.

[39:27] Okay.

[39:28] And I'm working on your reflections with all of us and what I intend to do is get a

[39:37] to get questions and do a Q&A.

[39:41] I don't know if we can get it in time for the next issue

[39:45] of the newspaper, which comes out of Friday and Saturday.

[39:50] But I don't know.

[39:51] Well, put it on the website.

[39:53] The code is as mayor sites.

[39:57] It's kind of frustrating for us.

[39:59] We want to, well, hang out afterwards.

[40:01] But we want to get you answers.

[40:03] And I just have personal attention.

[40:07] I don't like people are wonderful.

[40:08] So thanks for your respect.

[40:11] It's sensible comments.

[40:15] Thank you.

[40:16] When will those minutes be posted?

[40:20] When will those minutes be posted?

[40:23] I mean, you want to address that.

[40:26] The minutes actually go through the boss.

[40:28] So they have to be voted on cancel.

[40:31] on. So it doesn't happen.

[40:36] But if we can, we can, after the comments, we can do FAQs,

[40:43] comment comments, and try to answer the questions. And that's what you put aside in the minutes.

[40:48] So, you know, some usually things in the minutes must be done in the days where a lot of times

[40:54] that are done pretty close to 50 days.

[40:59] Okay, A, brick 40.

[41:01] And audio recording is posted.

[41:03] There's man, and what, and brick 40 are sharing.

[41:06] Oh, this, we've got, we've got,

[41:07] the audio recording is pulled to the side

[41:09] that I'm going to talk about, the west side.

[41:12] That looks like brick in three days.

[41:15] And there's some, this entire meeting,

[41:17] and in some time, the listened to,

[41:20] I want to start the end of this business.

[41:22] Lost in, lost.

[41:24] I appreciate that.

[41:25] It was some of the slides.

[41:26] I just brought it more on the question.

[41:28] What I'd like to compose close particular questions.

[41:32] I assume that.

[41:34] There's more to follow.

[41:36] Thank you.

[41:37] Thank you.

[41:37] I budget.

[41:38] As a long.

[41:39] You can decide.

[41:41] Yes.

[41:45] Yes, that's right.

[41:46] I want to say so.

[41:47] Where is the main.

[41:48] I mean, you were my boss.

[41:49] The regime.

[41:51] The things this day.

[41:52] I mean, it says your name again.

[41:54] I think it's good.

[41:54] I think it's better.

[41:57] I'm just wondering where the money coming from something like this, I just called it, and I don't think that I'm involved with there is attorney fees started.

[42:10] Thank you.

[42:11] Thank you.

[42:12] just looked like Mr. Berkman, anybody's there?

[42:15] Or just one of the explanations on very handouts,

[42:17] the right is the third column here,

[42:19] closed budget without a 10th grade student.

[42:22] There's doubts.

[42:24] I don't know if any of you would come back.

[42:26] It would be careful.

[42:28] That's great.

[42:28] It was saying we've been standing there

[42:29] for the 10th and 11th and 11th and 11th.

[42:32] Sorry.

[42:33] And I'm not sure whether I was thinking of,

[42:35] I believe your question.

[42:36] I'm just going to say a little louder at the hell.

[42:38] I believe your question was,

[42:40] with regard to the proposed property tax effect schedule that we were talking about.

[42:44] There's a handout you gave with a bunch of comments.

[42:47] And this is our budget.

[42:49] If we get the facts and the previous, it is.

[42:52] Yes.

[42:55] And your question was, sorry, there were people talking about your question was in that handout,

[43:00] the proposed tax effect schedule, proposed budget without a tax increase, what have been

[43:05] problems you're asking is that in

[43:11] the vicinity collective what they're counting

[43:14] doesn't remind you to rely on the services. It's not like that's how much the city

[43:20] would collide into their counting for like there's no budget in groups so

[43:25] right. I'm trying really hard to stay within the parameters that I suppose they're

[43:32] just not to answer questions but I will point out that there is a kind of the

[43:37] just a look. So that would be, it's not a task, it's a fee. I would hold art law and that's

[43:45] how they shall be in the name. But that's still a blank thing I have to be able to say.

[43:51] We can refer your people to the clinical, and we have an art website that answers their

[43:56] question. The sort of fierce lady has called the phones packs. The packaging is, that's

[44:04] I don't really know how many of you are in the city.

[44:07] That's what we were saying and having for those services,

[44:10] no tax increase.

[44:12] But because we're a city, you're proposing we have a 2.4 million

[44:16] dollar tax increase, provide the same services.

[44:21] If I understand your handout, there.

[44:26] Thank you.

[44:27] I should have that as well.

[44:28] I can't agree with you.

[44:31] It's really frustrating for us too.

[44:33] I honestly, that's what we stand up for, I'm not listening to anything.

[44:43] So, no, these are all questions, unlike you're just writing them down, that's great.

[44:48] Like, I get you can't, it's a terrible place to be, violence is you.

[44:53] Whoa, what's the benefit of incorporation?

[44:56] It's like when I went to the meeting and I did

[45:00] Thank you. Michael, why are three, nine, six, two, north, thirty, five, hundred east, liberty. Um, and I own that home. And, uh, so, um, I went all the meetings. I didn't go for it. I knew our taxes were going to go up. I knew that was like a sham to see like they're going to go down with incorporation. I watched all these other cities, Murray, trade, print, all that, all their taxes. But I do like having control over our value.

[45:29] That sounded cool, but how the taxes go up 500 percent and the first round what's it going to go up from there so so just

[45:38] As you're answering these questions for all of us. What's the benefit of being incorporated with that huge taxors?

[45:48] this.

[45:54] Lanshundberg, 52, 51, and highway 39.

[46:00] Having gone through, seen a corporation in an area next to me, and gone through one,

[46:07] I was adamantly against it.

[46:09] I think you guys are living through the nightmare that it kind of presents itself, but also

[46:19] I'm an advocate of the bit of head and city proportion, I've seen that.

[46:26] Just proposal and because we are uniquely situated, we're at four entry points into the city.

[46:37] And, you know, I don't think this would harm people coming here for the lake or anything

[46:44] like that.

[46:45] What about a toll road's coming in?

[46:49] California does it some way.

[46:51] I don't know how they do it, where it's just an automatic in the road type of thing, hoping

[46:58] that we wouldn't have to do foos or anything like that.

[47:01] that there would be some way that that could take place.

[47:04] Corporations that are building up here

[47:06] can buy permits, residents that obviously get

[47:12] their permits, you know, proof of the living.

[47:15] Might want to do some for Monit Crisco,

[47:18] extra big of their, this is their only main access point

[47:22] to civilisation.

[47:23] So they may need some special consideration.

[47:27] That might be a solution to the issue.

[47:30] So we are unique in that we have four roadways in here.

[47:34] I don't think it's gonna stop people from coming here.

[47:36] We got the late, we got a few resorts.

[47:39] One dollar, I ain't gonna hurt too bad.

[47:42] Come out and see your order wonderful, bit of heaven.

[47:45] Thank you very much.

[47:54] Hello, my name is Laura Warburden and my address is 7328 East,

[48:01] 1450 North used to be Huntsville and that was off to the city.

[48:06] I'm not about to tell you that.

[48:08] Ogden Valley City.

[48:10] Yeah, I don't live in Ogden.

[48:12] That's debatable.

[48:14] I don't know.

[48:15] Okay, this may come as a surprise to some people, but I want some clarification.

[48:24] I can't speak to them, so I'm going to ask some questions.

[48:27] without

[48:33] giving me exact numbers were we being supported by the rest of

[48:40] unincorporated Weaver County before we incorporated. And is that ever going to

[48:48] change? Can we go back? If we were to disengorporate, would we be able to have

[48:54] that same privilege. I'm going to say no because I've done my research, so now we find

[49:05] ourselves in a place that our taxes are going to go up. But whatever reason the decision

[49:14] was made, whoever decided to do it, whoever voted, I absolutely voted against it, worked

[49:19] my bed off to get people to wake up. Apparently I wasn't very believable and apparently

[49:25] I'm the worst person on the face of the earth, but I still care.

[49:34] So the reality is,

[49:38] it's going to take at least two years unless something changes at

[49:42] the capital for us to even be able to ask for disappropriation.

[49:50] And then there will be a whole other campaign again.

[49:54] By that time, I don't know how many things will be set in place.

[49:58] But if anyone thinks here that 500% is where it stops,

[50:05] damn it, listen to me.

[50:07] It's going to go over 1,000%.

[50:11] We haven't built buildings.

[50:14] We're sitting in someone else's buildings.

[50:15] We haven't hired the city manager.

[50:17] That other people wanted to hire.

[50:20] There's a lot more coming.

[50:23] But I don't know that we have, I don't have it in me

[50:27] to run that campaign. I just want people to get the facts straight and to know

[50:31] what we're against it. That is the case. So am I wrong in knowing that we're

[50:37] not. You're in front of the cry. I can't look at you.

[50:42] Do I say anything here

[50:43] that was inappropriate or wrong besides the swear word? Okay. Thank you for

[50:49] your time. I wish my councilman was here. We are going to have to raise taxes no

[50:57] no matter what you told your people, I've heard you say it over and over again.

[51:01] Okay, so I better damn well here, yes, out of you. Sorry for this way again.

[51:04] No, no, I'm sorry. We have to raise up things, and please, it's not a lot.

[51:10] Yeah, that's good. Okay, sorry. That I'm not used to.

[51:14] Okay, well, yes. Thank you for your work. You're working your butts off.

[51:22] I'm watching that.

[51:26] It's no easy task where you guys are going through and what you're

[51:30] handed. So please keep up the good work, keep us informed, keep writing to the paper,

[51:37] keep getting, I am so close to saying that I have to come in and help with the websites

[51:42] that's driving me nuts.

[51:45] But still a good job. Okay, still a great job. Totally appreciate

[51:52] what you're doing. That's it. Thank you. Thank you.

[52:00] How did this area go online? No, man.

[52:03] Where are you all at? There are no endings for the check.

[52:08] But they all stay on top.

[52:10] You're going to ask the question. I know you're not going to.

[52:13] You can't answer it. But I'm asking it so everyone can understand this.

[52:18] My name is Joe Donovan, 4820 preview drive.

[52:22] My tax bill that I received had the exact same percentage for the last year or

[52:28] a year before that, the year before that. As we were counting, come to you and

[52:32] said, if you didn't incorporate and we had to do it, what would my tax

[52:37] rate go? Bill's go up.

[52:41] I mean, everybody standing here thinking, oh, those didn't

[52:44] go up. We would have been paying the same thing for cloud loss. I think for

[52:49] everything. Well, we per county, if we weren't

[52:51] incorporated, my tax bill would have

[52:54] gone. Things go off. So my question is, have

[53:00] you had any any input from them as to how much

[53:05] money they would have charged us in 2026, if we

[53:09] didn't incorporate? That's a request.

[53:24] Anyone else who's at the rental?

[53:38] My name is Richard Baker.

[53:44] I don't have so much a question that has just an understanding that I had at the time we

[53:50] voted for incorporation.

[53:52] And I think there was a lot of frustration with people who live here in the valley with

[53:58] the rezoning that was taking place that really opened the floodgates for what we see happening

[54:03] now.

[54:04] Well, I think that's one of the reasons that many of us voted for

[54:09] incorporation because we felt that we'd have government at a more local level that would be more responsive

[54:15] and not under the control of three commissioners that may have been compromised will never know what may have happened there.

[54:23] But I think that was one of the frustrations that we felt at the time we voted for incorporation.

[54:29] That's all I have to say.

[54:30] Thank you.

[54:30] I'm sorry, I can't hear anything.

[54:40] Can't hear anything here on anybody.

[54:43] Let me just,

[54:43] I'm sorry.

[54:43] You know, I've small,

[54:44] sorry.

[54:47] So guys, I'll let you

[54:48] sit again.

[54:49] I'm for that.

[54:50] He said like something positive.

[54:52] Yeah.

[55:03] Oh, I'm probably,

[55:05] you guys didn't.

[55:14] understanding was that before the incorporation that our taxes were subsidizing Weeper County

[55:21] versus the other way around now, we just like clarification in the Q&A, rather than

[55:28] that they were supporting us, I thought we were supporting them.

[55:31] Thank you.

[55:31] Thank

[56:07] you.

[56:09] Sorry.

[56:11] I put this off of the Ogden Valley.

[56:14] That's where the side of the area is.

[56:16] I need to hold it.

[56:18] Yeah.

[56:18] And also the side.

[56:20] Anyways, the proposal budget.

[56:21] I think it was going up 2.4.

[56:24] And it looks like the majority majority of it is admin.

[56:29] Like to the tune at 1.8.

[56:33] Which reports that's why our taxes are going up.

[56:35] Over 200,000 is going to be paid to the managerial position at the city manager old time there.

[56:45] Before we get to 120 homeless, the admin support, administrative assistant, 100 and community development director, 168 public works manager, 155, etc, etc.

[56:58] So, I guess that's where all these tax increases are going to be going added.

[57:05] Can anybody want to print it out?

[57:06] It's on the site, so it's going to be a lot easier to

[57:22] print out.

[57:22] The last thing, even, it seems like a complete baby switch seems really unfair.

[57:30] This isn't well-revoted for any.

[57:35] Janet, you don't have to continue this.

[57:38] There's been, it's a regular, nebulous thing to suggest we go back to the county.

[57:44] But what I'm offering is something in between where I'm sure the Lieutenant Governor's

[57:50] Office would be sympathetic to listening to a petition that says we would like to fund

[57:56] another feasibility study and a revote.

[58:02] I'm kind of wondering, given these circumstances, if the vote would turn out the same as it did in the first place.

[58:11] I don't think that's an unreasonable request.

[58:14] I would like you guys to consider a petition to vote kind of Governor's Office asking that very thing.

[58:21] It would be cheaper for us to fund another feasibility study ourselves in the valve, just

[58:29] pass around the tip jar than to pay this increased taxes.

[58:36] I bet the results would be different, and I wonder how many here will be in favor of

[58:41] a refund.

[58:44] Thank you.

[58:45] Thank you.

[58:46] So I'm asking you to do that.

[58:48] And that's what we need to do.

[58:49] You got it.

[58:50] Down.

[58:51] You had to start a petition to look at a government's office that asked that we do another feasibility

[58:59] study.

[59:00] One that's reliable, one that we can trust, one that doesn't assure us that we have a service

[59:05] loss.

[59:07] She didn't make that up enough.

[59:09] I would be very happy to talk with you a lot of stories about and then the basic on

[59:15] that, that the discussion of another meeting with another vote on the ballot for the whole

[59:19] thing I'll overdo.

[59:23] I'm saying after I can have you tell you about the other. I'm not asking a

[59:27] question. I asked you to do something. Thank you.

[59:42] Yes. You heard me again. Thank you for

[59:46] my part. It's an honor to be held. That was it. We were told that we were so surprised

[59:52] I think can lower back up, but the numbers are right here.

[59:57] They were subsidizing us to.

[1:00:00] $2.4 million for the year. So we were told wrong. My friend Kenny Rogers made a lot of

[1:00:10] enemies saying, you get an old one to hold him and when to hold him. Now's the time to

[1:00:17] hold him for the sake of all the people who live here. Thanks.

[1:01:03] So I'm going to give it another

[1:01:04] 30 seconds or so. See if anybody wants to back up again. If not, then you see some deals.

[1:01:15] I move up your 79-7. Sorry, you're now in the Terry Claw.

[1:01:22] Now, that's actually who we're paying for.

[1:01:24] It was Terry Claw. Oh, thank you. Move your 97.

[1:01:32] seven. My property taxes were probably around $2,000. A couple years ago, they doubled.

[1:01:42] They went from $3,000 to $6,600 last year. There's $7,200 this year. Without your

[1:01:56] your incorporation. I really didn't vote for it, but I was doing this fine without the

[1:02:03] incorporation. So, in fact, the corporation is going to put more pressure on me. So, that's

[1:02:12] all I got to say. I'm not having anything against. You guys want to develop the value or control

[1:02:18] the why do we have to pay weaver county plus your city thing. That's all I got to say. I was

[1:02:28] out of the front spill. I'm in the county and pretty much happy over there. I still am. So all right,

[1:02:37] nothing against you guys. Thank you. Well,

[1:02:47] I'm at restart, you know, the kind of 30 second,

[1:02:51] And for about a second, proposing that he's anybody else wants to pop up and say anything.

[1:02:56] I'll continue to do that in the last person, just to see if we can catch anyone's,

[1:03:00] or I don't comment, but just see that the PC drop to that will close.

[1:03:05] The public hearing will have a motion to ensure, and then it sounds like some of the council members.

[1:03:09] Myself included, we'll stick around that if he wants to talk one on one or any small fruits or whatnot.

[1:03:15] But the public hearing itself is a staying regulated activity,

[1:03:20] acquired virtual monetization, and it is specific about getting the comments and feedback from you all in two class.

[1:03:28] So I need a lot of that.

[1:03:33] I just have something for your Q&A, hopefully post it on the website.

[1:03:37] Could we stay here?

[1:03:38] Chris is Akerson.

[1:03:39] Thank you.

[1:03:41] I mean, as he said, things go up.

[1:03:45] Taxis rise.

[1:03:46] You've got to pay for stuff.

[1:03:47] Stuff's more expensive every day.

[1:03:49] What I would like to see, let's say we're all stuck with this, don't have a choice,

[1:03:54] it happens, right? Can you post on your forum where you found your, like what money you found,

[1:04:01] you need for the roads for one. I know what probably comes from like past years and it's an estimate

[1:04:07] and whatever, but maybe go out and do your diligence and have some quotes drawn up for that.

[1:04:12] Same with the public works thing. Also, if the tough taxation comes into effect, what about the people

[1:04:17] of the living HOAs, we already pay for private community.

[1:04:19] Why do we need to pay you again?

[1:04:21] Maybe for the drive in and out, but I get that.

[1:04:24] But I would like just an itemized breakdown

[1:04:26] of where all the money's going.

[1:04:28] I appreciate her showing us where the salaries are.

[1:04:30] So there's one piece to the puzzle.

[1:04:32] And maybe just every little step of the way

[1:04:35] might make a little ha head a little cleaner.

[1:04:39] You know what I mean?

[1:04:40] Thank you.

[1:04:48] Thank you, Cruz.

[1:04:49] Thank you.

[1:05:03] We'll stick around and answer any questions you can.

[1:05:09] People are shy to read, so why don't you go ahead and start that.

[1:05:13] That's the secret.

[1:05:14] I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing right now.

[1:05:18] And then I will look forward to it.

[1:05:21] We have a motion to adjourn.

[1:05:24] We also have a headband and a second no council member of Poland is set up as guests all over the day by 9 a.m.

[1:05:30] 7 or 6 minutes.

NOTICE OF SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL PROPOSED TAX INCREASE HEARING - August 11, 2026, 6pm

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