[0:06] 6 0 3

[0:25] to the

[0:39] do that under the road.

[0:41] Commissioner court? Yeah. Thank.

[0:46] Motion. Motion.

[0:49] The agenda as agenda as printed.

[0:54] All in favor?

[1:00] Okay.

[1:12] Looking at 27th. Yes.

[2:39] So this is what, so

[2:45] discussing questions you have is

[2:57] Item town, Washington,

[3:02] apparently some shelving used.

[3:08] Used for records. Is

[3:16] Washington how

[3:21] this transpired?

[3:23] Transpired the moment.

[3:27] Just wanna make it cognize.

[3:29] Two

[3:33] long what point?

[3:40] Yeah, I attended the meeting and we discussed

[3:44] and I asked him, you know, I said, well if we needed to use

[3:51] 'em to borrow, we did

[3:55] tell 'em we might be be, we might in ready

[3:59] because we always won't be saying word here

[4:03] and won't word about that.

[4:04] So I put it on the agenda so we can board.

[4:09] So we want keep to them on record

[4:14] sitting here, bring

[4:30] motion.

[4:30] And

[4:50] So then, so the motion is to approve having

[4:55] sets of shovel to Washington.

[4:58] Washington.

[5:08] Record minutes and also all favor.

[5:14] Aye. Aye. Okay.

[5:19] Next item.

[5:25] Kevin.

[5:27] I agree with him. I didn't see anything.

[5:29] The guys had a little bit of overtime last week,

[5:32] but we were trying to get stuff done

[5:33] before

[5:35] the, the stone comes.

[5:41] So I'm in the middle of doing stuff.

[5:42] Sometimes you lose track of the time.

[5:44] So we

[5:48] did a lot of maintenance on,

[5:50] well I shouldn't say we, I should say Matt.

[5:52] Mike did a lot of maintenance on the trucks.

[6:00] Okay. One of the things, and I know you saw it on

[6:03] Friday, was tires that being deposited.

[6:08] They took a load off from

[6:09] What?

[6:10] Bennett. Oh Bennettsville. Yep.

[6:11] But they're being deposited all over town

[6:14] so we're trying this new thing when the tires are,

[6:17] we find them instead of just driving by 'em, we're trying

[6:20] to pick 'em up as quick as we can so they don't grow.

[6:23] 'cause we have some awful good grave

[6:25] around here for your own tires.

[6:34] Our turn is not the only one that's getting strapped tires

[6:38] wherever go over the field.

[6:41] It seems like every time you turn around there's another set

[6:44] of tires you just, just during

[6:50] 23 On that That

[6:53] Yeah, something like that.

[6:55] Yeah. $10 a tire was hand issued

[7:00] and car tire.

[7:12] I think some of

[7:22] just not letting.

[7:37] Okay, So motion to approve the payroll.

[7:40] Yeah, make a motion to approve them.

[7:43] Second The weeks, the dates on there.

[7:48] Yeah. I don't have it in front of me so. Yep.

[7:51] Alright, so that's for the week 11 one.

[7:56] Okay,

[8:08] next one is the accounts payable warrant

[8:12] and I believe there's two of them in there.

[8:13] Yep. The first one I

[8:18] didn't see anything wrong.

[8:19] There is one from Allstate

[8:21] Construction, but that's for calcium.

[8:24] I'm sorry, Allstate Construction. That

[8:27] Is the, the Cal Calcium and pride we put on the road.

[8:33] So,

[8:35] And Then we have another one that was

[8:37] for me putting up stuff down to Nelson's

[8:39] and I want to excuse myself from that one.

[8:43] I make a motion on the first one,

[8:48] Consolidated communication.

[8:50] They see that the garage is still being charged. Internet.

[8:53] Is anybody working on

[8:55] Calling up when my phone,

[9:16] The only reason we have that down there is

[9:18] because of the security system.

[9:21] But there's no inter No, there's no the phone.

[9:23] The phone, yes, but this is total separate

[9:25] charge for internet.

[9:26] We don't have

[9:31] See I was told, yeah I was told by Diane Wa

[9:34] that it was actually the internet up here

[9:36] that we were being charged for down there.

[9:39] I'm not a hundred percent sure how that works.

[9:41] I'll follow up on that because

[9:42] there should be no internet charge.

[9:43] The 1 95 is what we agreed upon.

[9:48] No, but that's what I was Too.

[9:52] Yeah, both of them there.

[9:58] No, she told me a while, quite a while ago.

[10:01] I think it was in the middle of last year,

[10:02] She told me that I'll consolidated.

[10:07] She couldn't figure out why it was, well

[10:09] I'm down with my phone.

[10:10] If there was internet data,

[10:10] I'm gonna pick it up on my phone if anything.

[10:12] Right.

[10:14] But she didn't know why. She said she just thought it was

[10:16] coming from here down

[10:18] There.

[10:19] So I'll follow up on that

[10:21] And then I know you were checking into it so I didn't

[10:24] Well that rest ridiculous.

[10:35] Sorry

[10:42] Diane.

[10:42] I see MDP, you get that square away? I'm your Honor.

[10:48] Yeah. And Diane and Right.

[10:52] No, but I was the administrator in the interim.

[11:12] Diane,

[11:16] It's supposed to be off.

[11:18] We can still see it's on Here.

[11:19] Yeah, because it's supposed to be Diane Water,

[11:22] so I don't know why they're still sending it.

[11:23] Right, right. But if you could have Diane Yep.

[11:25] Follow up with it. Oh, is that a new one? Yep.

[11:30] Trying to get the correct names on everything.

[11:35] I did the same thing over to Dad's four

[11:37] By four. Yep.

[11:38] It was send the old Foreman. So I had that roof.

[11:42] Save a lot of people just put down the

[11:45] town treasurer or town clerk.

[11:47] No, they won't do that. It has to be a name.

[11:51] It has to be a person.

[11:54] So who Do you want on it?

[11:56] Right now it's, it's supposed to be Diane Wa

[12:01] Is that Who?

[12:02] Either. Either the town per,

[12:06] but at the time she was,

[12:09] Well You're doing good at that.

[12:14] So when I checked it

[12:15] before we changed it to, I think Diane actually

[12:22] was

[12:34] paid.

[12:34] Now

[13:09] Kevin, this is the one you mentioned, right?

[13:11] Yeah, yeah. It's for fine. 26 7 3.

[13:18] That's the lock in the handle in the upstairs. Yep.

[15:00] I dunno why they require you the name, but,

[15:03] So who should that one be?

[15:04] Matt, or,

[15:08] Well, I would try road form system.

[15:19] He's like, you guys are trying

[15:20] to dump my stuff in his lab.

[15:30] A contract for manpower.

[15:46] And here

[15:51] they,

[15:52] This is direct, But they

[16:07] was un

[16:18] So what they usually do is when they charge you,

[16:20] like say if they're only there at three hours,

[16:23] that's three hours per man and minute there.

[16:28] So that's usually how that works.

[16:29] We, we went through this last year too.

[16:41] I know there's no apartment, but,

[16:43] And they volunteers so, Right.

[16:45] No, I, I mean we'll pay, we'll pay them

[16:50] and they give us a bill.

[17:00] Wait Four months

[17:34] And This was the last, this was the backup

[17:37] or that's the backup to

[17:38] This.

[17:39] Right.

[18:14] All right, now

[18:18] This goes with that.

[18:21] Okay, Lemme do this one first. Yep.

[18:24] And I can attach it to that.

[18:26] So motion to approve

[18:31] reimbursement of Kevin for rot supplies

[18:35] through Nelson Hardware for the amount of $26 73 cents.

[18:40] Just you and I can vote on, I'll make a,

[18:41] I'll make a motion to approve.

[18:44] Okay. I'll second it.

[18:45] All those in favor say aye. A Aye.

[18:48] Approve

[18:55] That goes

[19:00] motion.

[19:03] I'll make a motion to approve the other AP warrants.

[19:07] Okay. And I'll second Second. Any further discussion?

[19:11] Other than the consolidated stuff

[19:13] that I'll follow up with again?

[19:17] Nope. Okay. Okay. All both in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

[19:21] Opposed? Motion carried.

[19:27] They're gonna owe us some back.

[19:31] Okay. So there's this.

[19:32] Put the bit back. I'm

[19:34] Sorry.

[19:35] I said they're gonna owe us if they've been charging us

[19:37] internet down there for how many years? I don't

[19:39] Know. They're

[19:40] Gonna owe us. Put a little bit back.

[19:42] I'm going to get into it. We're gonna to say like,

[19:44] audit our build back.

[19:46] When did you start charging us this? This stuff? Yeah.

[19:50] And for what purpose? Because there's,

[19:55] I kept this one out

[20:02] that back.

[20:06] Get back all plastic. Okay.

[20:26] Ann's gonna turn and feather us.

[20:28] Steve, Everything back.

[20:32] I, I didn't want to put it back, you know,

[20:33] it was in a certain door

[20:44] when ready. Gimme a second.

[20:47] Sorry.

[20:54] I just all

[21:01] just want to start out with, would like

[21:04] to thank Diane Helen back for filling out the,

[21:10] A grant for a new salt shed in San she.

[21:17] So we had a company come in and give us a quote.

[21:24] Quote I think was 680,000.

[21:31] Six eight. Yeah, this is your thumb.

[21:35] 680,000

[21:37] and it's gonna be a 45 by 65 salt shed.

[21:42] It'll be like three bays for salt

[21:47] and then it'll be for sand.

[21:48] So our sand, everything will be undercover.

[21:50] So there'll be no more runoff from that.

[21:54] Here's somewhat of a picture of what it will look like.

[22:00] So,

[22:03] So this grant goes in three stages.

[22:05] The first one is to do the preliminary stage

[22:08] and we get approved to this stage.

[22:10] Then we go to the next stage.

[22:12] It's Kind of under the water quality grant.

[22:15] We down there,

[22:19] we on down there all to,

[22:23] it's all down all down here.

[22:26] So, you know, we gave that shot Kevin, Kevin and Matt

[22:30] and the guy just to work, find out

[22:33] what type of thing.

[22:36] All we can do that.

[22:39] Yep. So, and then the guys have been working pretty hard.

[22:43] They've been doing a lot of maintenance and stuff.

[22:47] We did, we had

[22:51] to go last week we had an issue

[22:53] with water run off again from East Orange Road into,

[22:56] into the person's basement and adapt

[23:00] Top.

[23:01] This is done by the town line.

[23:03] We come off the pavement onto the dirt.

[23:05] So it was running down into the lady's thing.

[23:08] So we went down and looked at that, had to reach out to the

[23:12] telephone company to see if they'd done

[23:14] what they said they were gonna do.

[23:17] They just dig their, their, their phone lines down

[23:21] so we can dig the ditch to the public

[23:23] so then can bridge the road, put a crown,

[23:26] a better crown in the road and the water should

[23:29] run off before it gets there.

[23:30] And we're gonna try to, we can do

[23:34] The phone company give you a

[23:35] commitment when they come out to,

[23:37] He told me he'd try to do it last.

[23:39] I talked to him last fall.

[23:42] He was gonna try to get it done by in the spring.

[23:45] He was supposed to notify me when he got it done.

[23:47] So we been on and dig the ditch.

[23:49] Haven't heard nothing back from him.

[23:50] I'm gonna reach out to him

[23:52] That Mike is the Phone company?

[23:55] No, Davis, his last name is Davis.

[24:00] I don't know his first name. Chris Davis name Chris. Yep.

[24:03] So I'll reach out to him and and ask him what he's done.

[24:08] May I have to give him incentive to get it done quicker?

[24:12] Well, so

[24:15] Yeah.

[24:17] Yep. So, but

[24:22] other than that I, I actually talked to

[24:26] the lady up by the church, talked to her daughter about

[24:31] us possibly going across their property to drain

[24:36] that water from the, the house

[24:40] that runs across East Orange Church.

[24:42] Yep. East Orange Church. We have to put that culvert in.

[24:46] So they thought we could, she said that

[24:50] their septic is there

[24:52] and if we did it, they wouldn't want us to put a pitch.

[24:55] They would like us to put a pipe all the way to the back

[24:58] of the bank and dump it out that way.

[25:01] So that would probably, we'd have to

[25:04] probably get somebody that could do that.

[25:06] I don't think our guys could,

[25:08] could do that with our backhoe. So we'd have to

[25:11] Get somebody like Yeah, I was thinking about trying

[25:15] to reach out to Joe.

[25:17] I think it's Joe Lodge.

[25:18] It's the, that's the foreman down there.

[25:22] Yeah, I was thinking about reaching out to him

[25:24] because has a, you have a

[25:26] Great or something like that.

[25:30] Well they have a excavator so they could do that work.

[25:34] And it is, it's kind of their, their thing

[25:37] because that's the only way they have to access

[25:41] that road is off on our road.

[25:44] 'cause it's actually occurrence

[25:45] for class four road on the other end of it.

[25:47] So it kind of benefits them as well

[25:49] as it benefits us. So

[25:53] Ask, So I figured if we reach out between our guys

[25:55] and their guys, we could do something.

[25:58] I want to go down and talk to Mrs.

[26:01] Ty and her daughter and try to come up with agreement

[26:05] with them and then we can move forward to that.

[26:08] And so

[26:09] If we have to put a cul on on their private

[26:13] Property.

[26:14] Yeah. Yeah. So we'd have to give an easement to do that.

[26:15] If you can get the process number, whatever,

[26:18] if they're there, I can get it off to our attorneys.

[26:21] They can drop whatever paperwork it has to be

[26:24] for an easement so we do it right.

[26:26] Yep. Well I was, I was gonna go down and meet with 'em

[26:28] and just talk with 'em again

[26:30] and then have them show me where the septic is

[26:33] to see if it's even doable

[26:34] because the septic might go further than we can

[26:49] See if we've got Well I'd like

[26:52] to stay at least 20 feet away from the septic.

[26:55] Yeah, Yeah.

[27:02] Well it's not like we're gonna put like a, a thing.

[27:04] We're just going to basically have a pole

[27:06] that stands out further and dumps over the bank. No,

[27:08] I understand. Right. Yeah.

[27:09] But maybe if you can dig out the paperwork.

[27:11] So maybe you look at a paper

[27:12] and say, gee, that's not feasible below that route.

[27:16] You know, common sense or maybe it is.

[27:18] And then we find somebody else point,

[27:22] Not, not us.

[27:24] There's another way we could go that

[27:28] Corinth was working on years ago

[27:30] and that was going down behind the church, the church, the,

[27:35] the one room school house here, the little school house.

[27:38] The church uses it now and then going down through there.

[27:41] I guess there's a water burn type

[27:44] thing all the way down through there.

[27:46] But then you're talking about a few feet

[27:51] further, a lot longer.

[27:52] Lot to maintain.

[27:54] We have to keep, make sure they burned

[27:57] out some water to run. So it would be, so

[28:00] The Culver Culver or

[28:03] Culvert I think, I think the culvert across the road will

[28:05] be shorter and it shouldn't,

[28:09] I wouldn't think it would plug up but it may.

[28:12] But then the other, the other way is a lot of, a lot of work

[28:16] because who knows what shape the,

[28:20] the ditch is in down through there.

[28:22] I had never walked went through there,

[28:23] but one of the residents was telling me that the town

[28:26] of print used to maintain it and had it dumped down there

[28:29] and then something happened and they pulled the culvert out

[28:32] and haven't been that,

[28:36] you know, whatever happened discussion with

[28:38] Joe Roger, you know, maybe get the backstory of

[28:41] Yeah I figured we'd reach out to him and have Matt

[28:45] and we go meet with him.

[28:47] Yeah. And see what his, his thing that's on it.

[28:50] And then we went down today

[28:53] and cleaned up some of the, the mess that was left behind by

[28:57] Jay Hutchins crew, which is Allstate now.

[29:02] The paving contract. Yeah, the paving thing.

[29:05] So we cleaned up some of that.

[29:06] The guys are gonna go down on Wednesday if it's not too bad

[29:09] and cleaned up the rest of the rest of the

[29:12] Have they been taking, you've been taking

[29:13] Pictures?

[29:14] Yes, he's been taking pictures.

[29:15] I tried to today with the camera had his app.

[29:19] So, so I had, Mike was taking pictures

[29:23] and he said that he actually the towel where he worked

[29:27] before and put these apps on his phone.

[29:30] So he basically can take a number of pictures with his phone

[29:34] and he'll give him GPS coordinates

[29:36] and all that stuff. So, well

[29:37] If he knows what it is, have him, you know, find out

[29:40] what it's, and we'll do it because

[29:42] You know, so he's supposed

[29:43] to take pictures and then send 'em to you.

[29:45] Okay. So it'll be alright

[29:48] because everything we do for FEMA

[29:51] and everything we're doing state, state is not

[29:53] as picky as what fema

[29:55] Well it gives, it gives the coordinates

[29:57] and it tells him what road he's on and everything.

[29:59] Yeah. So when we do the reimbursement documents

[30:03] and stuff, you know,

[30:04] like everything we did on reservoir roads,

[30:07] every single thing had to have the beginning

[30:09] of the anything over 2050 feet beginning

[30:12] of the hole and the end of the hole.

[30:14] The GPS coordinates, the depth, the width,

[30:17] the whole nine yards of everything.

[30:18] You know, pictures and all and all of that.

[30:21] So we can have that every time we're doing stuff like that.

[30:24] And then we document it on the backside then

[30:27] it makes it a whole lot easier

[30:30] If you can also copy the town clerks on the shared drive

[30:34] instead of just in your email.

[30:36] That would be, well the, the other part of this now

[30:38] that I'm finding, you know, on the backside of it is

[30:41] that we could have been claiming up to 15%

[30:44] of a project in administrative costs,

[30:47] but I have no way I can't put in for my time.

[30:51] I said well you put in for your time.

[30:52] Said okay, so I put in for X amount of hours

[30:55] and to divide up my thousand dollars stipend,

[30:58] it's gonna cost me more to get back

[31:01] to $50 in time.

[31:04] So I can't put in, I can't put in my time.

[31:07] You can put in for your time

[31:08] or you put, you put in book it your,

[31:16] whatever your total compensation would be.

[31:19] We can pick that as But my,

[31:28] So he, he actually said something that was kind

[31:31] of interesting today when it was when he pulled it up on his

[31:35] phone, took the picture, he said it's a

[31:39] listed under a federal highway.

[31:41] Which one is that? Tucker Road Road?

[31:44] No road was not a federal highway

[31:47] Listed under the, under the GP S's listed as one.

[31:50] So may wanna check that

[31:53] Road is Yep.

[31:56] He said it was, it was listed on his GPS system.

[32:00] So I'll check in with Ashley tomorrow.

[32:02] I'm on paperwork for reservoir.

[32:06] Yep. So he took those,

[32:08] he took those pictures he's gonna send them.

[32:10] So I'll have him send them to you two.

[32:13] And then also I met with a

[32:20] Nick Bull Cash who does network for the

[32:24] bridge Tucker Road.

[32:26] Okay. He said he could patch the damage that was done

[32:29] but it's not gonna make it sturdy.

[32:32] So the only way that would be is we have to

[32:35] get a bridge place in, have them take it out

[32:38] and recast it again.

[32:39] But his recommendation was just to do what they did on the,

[32:43] the bridge next to Spencer Road

[32:46] and that's to take steel post

[32:50] and open to the outside of the bridge.

[32:53] And That's gonna have to check in that today me

[32:56] and Mike were looking at it today

[32:59] and that's gonna have to be like done this year.

[33:02] 'cause that bridge, it is not the, the drive rails,

[33:07] were not really that secure.

[33:09] We were shaking today and you could shake pretty good.

[33:12] So if they hit him good with a plow

[33:13] or something, they could peel 'em right off.

[33:16] So our insurance company's not covered

[33:18] by our insurance company but they will file

[33:21] wherever we have damages against the other

[33:27] file gotta be fixed.

[33:32] So I had Matt reach out to Lafayette to

[33:37] have them come and give us a quote or have them come

[33:40] and do it because they're the ones that do it.

[33:42] So we really can't get a quote.

[33:44] Right. Right. So as soon as you have that,

[33:46] you have the lady's name at insurance company.

[33:50] Yes. I've been going through buying waters, which

[33:52] Is how whatever's gonna work for you to take and do that.

[33:55] I'll give it to her and Let them go after the person.

[33:58] They'll at least provide us with those services.

[34:01] May not get anything but at

[34:03] documented get money out.

[34:09] Yeah. So and then other than that we've been,

[34:13] everything's been going pretty good.

[34:16] We still didn't get a chance to do the, the patching on,

[34:21] on Reservoir Road, but we're hoping

[34:23] to do it this week or next week.

[34:27] The follows there. So

[34:29] Now the Salt company

[34:30] Was kind of background of salt.

[34:32] It was like an bulletin or something

[34:33] That a new, I Dunno, a new representative for the,

[34:37] Where We could buy it from.

[34:39] I dunno, I didn't get No I didn't. No

[34:42] I forward it back to you.

[34:43] I

[34:49] can, I just forward it to you.

[34:52] I got it and I forward it back to you

[34:53] and put it to print it, put it in that folder.

[34:56] I think it's a new representative people

[34:59] so I dunno who they would.

[35:07] So we also

[35:12] had to change the, some of the fenders on the,

[35:16] on the low profile truck.

[35:18] Okay. Because what was there was holding a bunch

[35:21] of crap to rest stuff out.

[35:23] So we had to take those off.

[35:26] I really wasn't

[35:32] like a, a mud flap.

[35:35] It was more like piece wherever someone's covered up

[35:38] there. But this

[35:39] Is the the little red truck.

[35:40] The little red truck. Yeah. So we put what's

[35:43] what's supposed to be there.

[35:45] I was talking with Matt

[35:47] because even if you just grabbed the truck across the

[35:50] parking lot, the whole side of it gets covered with that.

[35:53] So we were discussing 'em like the big trucks,

[35:57] how they have those rubber extended whales that go over the,

[36:01] the things there.

[36:03] So we were talking about trying to get a couple of those

[36:05] and make making them,

[36:07] I would, I you know, if they don't make it,

[36:10] I think if memory search correct

[36:11] that international cab is the same with general. Yep. So

[36:16] Maybe we reach out to them

[36:17] But GM they have to make thunder flare

[36:19] Fla. Yeah. You know that

[36:21] Factory bulk to keep

[36:22] that stuff thrown it all those places.

[36:24] Yeah, because it keeps, it covers the whole truck.

[36:27] Oh I, I don't, don't

[36:28] Doubt load the whole side of it covered the

[36:30] International doesn't sell matter check Cody's

[36:33] because I'm sure know but they may have them there something

[36:38] that definitely keep that stuff down.

[36:40] Yep. So we'll do that

[36:42] and then think other than that they're, they're,

[36:47] they're hoping they don't have the plow tomorrow or sand

[36:49] but most of the weather they may.

[36:53] Yeah, The time year.

[36:57] Yep. So alright,

[37:01] I'm done there. Okay,

[37:02] Well thank you on that.

[37:07] Yeah I got a copy right. So that's

[37:10] Keep our fingers crossed that

[37:12] somebody like likes her stuff.

[37:17] Okay. Alright so Diane,

[37:23] So you've just been taking a lot of tax payments.

[37:28] They are due next Monday, we'll close tomorrow

[37:32] for Veterans Day.

[37:34] I've been looking into the difference between HaCo

[37:38] and pay for online payments, payment services

[37:42] and HaCo.

[37:46] And it was six, it was 2000 to set up

[37:49] and then it's 4,000 a year for the service

[37:52] and when it's okay there's no charge.

[37:55] They make their money by credit card fees,

[37:59] check fees, things like that.

[38:02] So I did talk to Chelsea just to say

[38:05] what did you like about Jacob?

[38:06] Why did you want set this up?

[38:08] And she said that it was, it talks to Emrick

[38:13] and that makes it easier.

[38:14] And she just thought that that would be a good way to go.

[38:18] And so I talked to Municipally today, had a demo

[38:23] and she said they're working with Emrick right now to

[38:28] collaborate but people can still make their

[38:30] payments during this.

[38:32] Okay. You just can't look up your account.

[38:35] It's just if you have the bill it says this is what you owe,

[38:37] you can still pay, you can need us to pay.

[38:40] So, and we, we already have an account, it's all set up.

[38:44] So I'm thinking hey go just let that go first.

[38:49] Okay. So 4,000 a year.

[38:51] Alright so, so when did that renewal come up on

[38:54] That?

[38:55] It ends in March 5th

[38:56] and it's not on auto pay so

[39:01] we still have to, I have to meet with

[39:05] UniSA pay one more time.

[39:07] They want, I would like to get a reader how hey go.

[39:10] We have the reader so people can come in

[39:12] and just use their card and I don't have

[39:15] to punch the numbers in

[39:16] and hold their card, which some people

[39:17] feel uncomfortable about.

[39:20] And so I sent, they sent me all the options

[39:24] and I sent them to computer barn

[39:26] because some are used you use wifi, some ethernet

[39:31] for and I just wanna make sure that I get one

[39:35] that's compatible with our system.

[39:38] So, and the cheapest reader I think is 200.

[39:43] I think they go to 800.

[39:44] But I don't think we need anything extracting,

[39:50] Don't have the reader that we have.

[39:52] We page

[39:54] A Did you have a reader?

[39:55] We have reader. I that's good to know.

[39:58] So I told her that we have it passed and she did

[40:02] That.

[40:03] What was in the vault? There was one in the vault

[40:05] There.

[40:06] I don't remember seeing a reader in there

[40:11] but maybe we could turn out, maybe

[40:14] It was in the closet.

[40:15] This black closet? Yeah,

[40:17] Maybe.

[40:19] But the one for the one

[40:23] for hate dog doesn't work with.

[40:25] I did check that just to see.

[40:28] But yeah.

[40:31] Alright so we have till March in order

[40:33] to whether they're gonna renew or not, I also told

[40:36] to make a decision, oh lemme back up this pay

[40:39] costs how much a year

[40:41] It costs the town nothing.

[40:45] They make their money by they charge 2.7%

[40:48] of every transaction.

[40:50] That's how they make their money. Not us but the resident.

[40:54] So has been doing the same thing for people. Correct.

[40:58] And then

[40:59] And we pay 4,000. Right,

[41:02] Right.

[41:03] With we paying and then the and then the customer's paying.

[41:05] Well that's not a big deal. Money. Money.

[41:08] Right. And when I did the demo with pay,

[41:11] it seemed more like a lot of

[41:14] towns might also have electric bills

[41:16] or they do like water bills and things like that.

[41:21] So I can see how it might be better

[41:23] for a bigger town to do all that.

[41:26] But for us it doesn't seem, we did,

[41:30] I think Bill do you remember 43

[41:33] Transactions But it was only maybe $6,000

[41:37] for a whole year and we're paying 4,000.

[41:40] Yeah. Something It seems like there was a sizeable amount

[41:43] of dog fees in that 43 Right.

[41:46] Transactions. So it's,

[41:51] we're not gonna get bang for the bucks.

[41:53] We're not. Okay. Alright.

[41:55] So know

[41:56] unless you find something we have be ordering with the,

[42:01] with the additional one.

[42:03] Well I also went on the listserv

[42:05] and asked what do you guys hate of costing us $4,000?

[42:10] Does anybody, like what do you do? What are your thoughts?

[42:14] And a lot of people said we use municipal pay and it's free.

[42:19] And so then when I looked into it I realized we already have

[42:21] an account and it's all kind of already set up.

[42:24] It's just not active.

[42:28] So, alright. So I'm have to make the assumption if we said

[42:31] to, we don't want to use her anymore

[42:32] that we don't get a refund of any of the money.

[42:35] No. So I was just saying that we just

[42:41] let it let it lapse you not go the other way.

[42:45] Yeah. Unless you find something totally outta ordinary

[42:48] that's like, well we can't go to other room

[42:50] because it's not gonna be my suggestion.

[43:00] Alright, so the next tax bill is due

[43:03] or the last install due on Saturday.

[43:07] Monday. Monday the 17th. Yep.

[43:11] Okay.

[43:19] I also wanted to ask,

[43:23] we've been renting the hall to

[43:27] residents and non-residents.

[43:28] The church uses it on Sunday

[43:30] and we've had the church complaining

[43:33] on Sunday mornings when they come in

[43:36] people are leaving trash.

[43:37] There's not, it's not on clean.

[43:42] And so Diana and I were kind of brainstorming like how,

[43:47] 'cause somebody would have

[43:49] to come in basically Saturday night or Sunday morning

[43:51] before church to make sure it was clean.

[43:55] And one thing that we were kind of thinking maybe that

[44:00] we might not necessarily rent to

[44:05] non-residents birthday party type things,

[44:09] like if it's a conference or something like that.

[44:13] But if it's just someone we don't even know coming in

[44:15] to rent it for their 1-year-old birthday party.

[44:18] One was LA not last Saturday, but the Saturday

[44:23] before it was this woman who had, I don't know how many kids

[44:27] and she, it was a devil birthday party for two of her kids

[44:31] and they left trash according

[44:33] to the church and they didn't clean.

[44:36] So what about if we took $150

[44:41] deposit every time somebody rented it and it's clean

[44:45] and leave it clean, you get your money back, it's not clean.

[44:48] You don't get the money back

[44:49] Money.

[44:50] So I heard, so Diana and I talked about that

[44:53] and she said it was a bookkeeping nightmare

[44:56] and I don't know how, I don't know if it has to be cash

[45:00] and then you get your actual cash back.

[45:04] I don't. And then do you just do that for,

[45:08] do you do it for everybody?

[45:09] Do you do it just for non-residents?

[45:11] I, I believe, I think we should do it for everybody

[45:13] because we're having damages happening here.

[45:16] Did you lift your hand up? Yes. Oh,

[45:18] Okay.

[45:19] I'm sorry. I was on the board when that changed

[45:23] The problem that I believe was having a problem

[45:27] with the bookkeeping.

[45:28] Part of it is that somebody lives in the town

[45:32] and a relative comes in

[45:33] and says, oh I'll pay for the deposit.

[45:36] Writes a check the party, the event happens, the

[45:41] treasurer's trying to send a refund check

[45:44] for the deposit back to this person that lives out of stay

[45:47] that a PO box.

[45:49] And these checks weren't getting taken care of

[45:53] and cashed and coming back.

[45:54] And that's what the problem was with all the,

[45:57] Okay, what did it work?

[45:58] And I'm just thinking out last nightmare.

[45:59] You remember that Kevin? That was right

[46:01] before you were came

[46:02] On.

[46:03] Yeah, I remember they were, they were having issues.

[46:05] They were having issues with checks like bouncing.

[46:08] Okay. Yes. That was another

[46:10] problem with the checks coming.

[46:11] So what you require a credit card.

[46:14] You have your credit card. There you

[46:17] Go.

[46:18] Oh that would be if you do a

[46:18] Credit card then okay then we'll credit you back on your

[46:21] credit card and then you don't have to chase them down.

[46:25] Totally agree. I was just explaining. No, no

[46:29] Having all every, everything the background helps

[46:34] and you know, if it was tried

[46:35] and didn't work then what, what,

[46:38] what the next thing to do, right?

[46:40] I mean, you know, having damage that's happening to here.

[46:42] Kevin pointed out multiple different things

[46:44] here that have been damaged.

[46:48] Kitchen stuff, all of it.

[46:50] I think if, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask somebody

[46:53] for 115, I don't know, whatever.

[46:56] Whatever fuel best deposit you get your deposit back.

[47:01] Same thing with the rental car. You rent a car

[47:02] and bring the thing back in, trash smoking it

[47:05] and something like that until you don't smoke.

[47:07] Guess what? You know you're gonna pay accountability.

[47:09] It's the only, the only thing I would think

[47:11] that you wouldn't want to be charging

[47:12] for is like the adult education

[47:16] because they can use that like

[47:18] Once in a while And I just

[47:19] Think it's, well they're nonprofits

[47:21] that don't get charged too.

[47:23] Yeah. Like the whole group.

[47:29] I, if you want to come up with a,

[47:32] you know, don't charge this one.

[47:35] Don't wanna be discriminating we we found on

[47:38] discriminating against them.

[47:39] But on the same token, whether they're nonprofit

[47:42] or not, still gonna have damage.

[47:44] Right. And why should we be, you know,

[47:47] one person gets charged and another person doesn't.

[47:50] Right. I think the fair thing is there you go.

[47:52] Move policy new rules.

[47:55] Yeah. Yeah You make a good point there.

[47:58] 'cause once you start

[48:01] Categorizing then You want take it wrong way.

[48:04] So Maybe Diane and I can come up with something

[48:07] and bring it to the next meeting.

[48:08] Sure. And you Guys can see,

[48:10] Okay the credit card thing, doing a debit

[48:14] and then credit back that works.

[48:16] Like he wants to trade, you know,

[48:19] somebody can be in Alaska here, write you back

[48:25] And Then you know it off the bat whether you run the

[48:27] credit card funds.

[48:30] Well guess what? They rent a check for this

[48:34] and the too.

[48:37] Let's try to be fair. Beautiful Building

[48:45] my 2 cents worth Diane is if you could come up

[48:47] with some type of thing to go along with that

[48:50] and I don't think it's unreasonable.

[48:53] Whatever you want call it cleaning fee

[48:55] or whatever.

[48:59] Whatever you need. And I think that would have a birthday

[49:03] party and have all their running all around here.

[49:06] Well they gonna have,

[49:08] You know. Yeah.

[49:11] I just hate that The church has to, you know,

[49:13] they leave it so nice

[49:14] And I, I hate that.

[49:16] Well story for different. Yeah. Yeah.

[49:22] It's not always. Yeah Just

[49:25] I think if we just do it, Whether

[49:29] It's a church that comes in end, we find whatever damage

[49:32] or whatever,

[49:36] you know, put on notice.

[49:39] Okay, Sounds

[49:41] Good.

[49:42] It's like we don't clean when

[49:42] we come in here and have our meeting.

[49:43] So technically whoever gets it

[49:46] after we've been in here getting our dirty feet print

[49:49] and all that stuff from the floor.

[49:51] So it's coming the same way. So Right.

[49:54] So you, you are using your credit card for the deposit fee

[50:01] Credit not gonna discriminate yourself.

[50:06] Tell you what you can deducted out my hourly pay.

[50:08] How that 35

[50:14] my house, I don't cook.

[50:15] I, I'm good. I'm a good soha and I'm a good cleanup person.

[50:19] Okay. Keep keeping it back.

[50:23] Alright Diane, I'm gonna put a note here to bring it back.

[50:27] Next

[50:29] Meeting Town, half town hall

[50:33] Question mark.

[50:35] And the only other thing I just wanted

[50:37] to mention about the salt shed was

[50:40] that I did get a letter back saying it was submitted just

[50:44] waiting for the letter from the regional planning commission

[50:49] and the award letters will be announced in March.

[50:54] This is the award. I'm sorry, the

[50:56] Board letter award.

[51:02] Fingers crossed. Yeah, it'd be nice.

[51:09] Okay. Alright. And Bill, if you can be part of the budget

[51:14] Discussion or did

[51:15] You have something that you would like to offer first?

[51:19] Well I, at the deep seven, well I

[51:24] very fortunately in my opinion stumbled across,

[51:28] I believe Angela's folder for budget in 2024.

[51:31] And in that budget there's a comparative budget report

[51:37] that had fiscal year

[51:40] budget 22 and 23 and we've been dealing

[51:46] Four.

[51:47] So I presented each

[51:52] one you with two sheets, one's colored orange and one

[51:56] Colored Yellow.

[51:58] Just the, the old one are

[52:03] sheets this year,

[52:07] 24 and 25.

[52:08] And then the orange is sheets

[52:11] that found in Angeles three.

[52:14] So I just didn't know how

[52:19] to proceed or if I want to proceed, I don't, I'm not

[52:21] as concise and I don't have all the material like Kristen

[52:24] has on her reports.

[52:27] And fortunately to get an idea

[52:31] of a flow of individual items for four years

[52:36] or three years, what's up to date on the fourth year?

[52:40] It'd be kind of like going

[52:41] through Bing column as far as I can read.

[52:44] You can read out the account number

[52:46] and unfortunately they don't match up sheet to sheet.

[52:50] I presented on 100 paper

[52:54] those two proceeds side by side.

[52:58] The biggest piece, what I heard was,

[53:02] you guys want space to write.

[53:04] There seems to be, I thought for space to write.

[53:08] But again, as you go along

[53:11] and read the print across the lines,

[53:14] it's not matched necessarily.

[53:16] We start off with taxes but

[53:19] because of different grants, different years,

[53:22] different categories and I

[53:24] and I, I tried to generate the same court.

[53:27] I had Angela's report

[53:28] and I went to the budget report on Emrich

[53:31] and I fiddle battles with it the most of the day.

[53:35] And I, the sheet that I chose

[53:38] or the program that I chose, that seemed to be the closest

[53:42] or the first page is

[53:46] what you got. Mr. Bill.

[53:48] I, I can fix that point. I can spreadsheet.

[53:55] Okay. And John. John, okay.

[53:59] John also had a report for 23

[54:04] but we just couldn't match up the upon,

[54:06] you know, it just wasn't here.

[54:08] Okay. This is kind of

[54:09] what I've got is what's the possibility that we can

[54:15] match up all the account numbers.

[54:17] I how we're gonna do that some years have accounts,

[54:20] you know, so

[54:25] that what I am just showing is what we have.

[54:28] I'm really excited about the 2022

[54:32] and 2023 budget figures.

[54:38] You know, just for a trend, you know, just kind of a trend.

[54:41] And having said that, for some reason I have to wait.

[54:44] Darlene, the most zigzaggy

[54:48] of all the numbers seems to be the current tax revenue.

[54:52] The beach is all over the place explanation.

[54:56] So I want to ask her for minute, But

[55:01] that's what you see is a

[55:04] possibility and it's broad.

[55:06] I, I think it's got extra information that will help us.

[55:10] I think it would be beneficial to be able to go from,

[55:13] you know, jail code, line code that's,

[55:18] we can go down through and say okay,

[55:22] whatever particular year that looks

[55:23] to be the most accurate number

[55:25] or without a whack for whatever reason.

[55:29] I think that's why

[55:34] I mentioned the bingo because you'd have to kind

[55:36] of yell out the account.

[55:38] Okay, we're gonna look at the account number now. Yeah.

[55:40] So John, if you two can work on this to get it, you know,

[55:44] report, it'll make it so much quicker through

[55:48] and then we can take a look at it

[55:49] and put, put our notes out here

[55:52] and then what what you want, where you wanna go with it.

[55:56] It makes sense but just, I dunno

[55:59] how we're gonna, we'll find out.

[56:01] Okay. I'll leave it to you guys.

[56:04] I'm good at looking it the end result

[56:06] but not making the beginning.

[56:08] Good. The but not make.

[56:13] I understand. Okay. Alright.

[56:20] So what I Kristen,

[56:27] alright so I think you made it the nice big

[56:31] thing like this Kevin and I can read you get your glasses?

[56:35] Yeah I can read this. Can we read this? Yep.

[56:39] You weren't so funny the other night.

[56:40] I'm taking my phone trying blowing

[56:42] stuff up to see the numbers.

[56:45] It's, we'll get there. Yep.

[56:50] Okay. Alright.

[56:53] Only problem is I have split vision

[56:55] so I just got small, I just can't see it.

[57:01] All right, so one in yellow. This is the one.

[57:08] Okay. Yellow is,

[57:17] and that's

[57:21] actual numbers that we have.

[57:26] Alright, So

[57:32] the second group down there, code

[57:39] and I didn't

[57:58] taxes.

[58:07] What does that mean? What I remember is we were

[58:12] current harmless, we were talking about

[58:18] 61

[58:24] excess.

[58:26] Which which one you reserv? Zero one.

[59:04] Did we not receive any Property

[59:08] Tax adjustments?

[59:10] State payment, State payments

[59:14] for property tax adjustments. Have we not received

[59:16] That yet?

[59:17] That's the,

[59:21] The state fees.

[59:22] A pilot State.

[59:28] Yeah. Rule of taxes. Like on the

[59:33] Like you file a home.

[59:41] Alright, so we added budget at 11.

[59:46] I'm not sure we would've gotten one yet

[59:48] because the filing October 15

[59:55] We Just change bill I downloaded definitely came.

[1:00:01] So

[1:00:03] It's, It's still

[1:00:06] so any day would,

[1:00:09] Just wondering if we our there only,

[1:00:14] the only thing I didn't have,

[1:00:19] So maybe in the notes on you know, something like

[1:00:23] that would help budgetwise it to say, okay,

[1:00:25] expect payment in November or when to see it.

[1:00:28] So you know, carrying it through for the whole year.

[1:00:31] Well you know when it's supposed to.

[1:00:36] Right, right. I'm,

[1:00:38] but I'm thinking when you're going down through the money

[1:00:41] that should be coming in, if this won't be coming in in

[1:00:43] November, I'm not gonna be, I wouldn't want be looking

[1:00:45] for it in June

[1:00:50] like that in the budget.

[1:01:04] Hey Kristen, could you email this to

[1:01:13] Sure. I just can't see

[1:01:17] It. Just

[1:01:19] It's too small.

[1:01:22] Grab computer and email this over. So

[1:01:31] take a look at what we have here.

[1:01:33] The better.

[1:01:38] I just can't read That.

[1:01:41] I know I'm, I can see it a little better now but

[1:01:45] I can't, I have, I have a, a medical

[1:01:48] Issue with the split vision so when it's

[1:01:50] that small it's kind of, it just looks a black line to me.

[1:01:56] So Phil, you and John do this.

[1:02:01] You trust people

[1:02:06] That are blind.

[1:02:12] Just say it, make sure that we're

[1:02:14] Not, we're getting line one.

[1:02:15] I can't see the

[1:02:19] older people want.

[1:02:20] How's that sound? Well it's kind of exciting

[1:02:23] because these reports have the actual, instead

[1:02:26] of putting the account number next to it,

[1:02:30] line item that's on top kind of.

[1:02:36] But let's see, we'll see what

[1:02:38] We can Do.

[1:02:39] Yeah, this is just out of the machine as is

[1:02:44] so we can make the numbers bigger.

[1:02:53] Read it

[1:03:05] my

[1:03:06] Personal email.

[1:03:07] Okay

[1:03:58] about,

[1:04:07] So we sat on on the booth side.

[1:04:11] Yeah

[1:04:16] that look any better than you?

[1:04:18] No I can't read it so I'd rather look at it.

[1:04:21] No you can't read it then It's not, I can't read it so well

[1:04:27] force You can't read it.

[1:04:30] You can't read it. Alright so Bill, if you

[1:04:35] and John can work on this and how many years are

[1:04:37] We have?

[1:04:41] This went back to nine two

[1:04:45] budget actual on 22 on the bigger sheet.

[1:04:49] We like that.

[1:04:56] So you the budget

[1:04:57] and actual stack going forward make Yeah

[1:05:08] we have this

[1:05:13] if you two can work on that

[1:05:15] and then available, just let us know

[1:05:19] and I'll schedule another meeting so then we can

[1:05:22] Look At the, if not Kevin, I'm gonna get Kevin

[1:05:29] magnifying glass mag.

[1:05:33] That's about it.

[1:05:37] Okay. Alright.

[1:05:43] I apologize for being a

[1:05:44] Pain.

[1:05:45] You're not a pain cut. You can't see it.

[1:05:46] You know this need, you need to be able to read it.

[1:05:49] Read it, tell you not you. I'm just saying camp.

[1:05:53] I'm having to my glasses. Which way?

[1:05:56] Don't wanna be guessing this stuff.

[1:05:59] Okay, discussion

[1:06:14] Public.

[1:06:16] Hi Steve. Thanks Steve.

[1:06:19] I was wondering to follow up on,

[1:06:20] and Kristen I think liked the idea as well

[1:06:23] and I think Kevin was tossing around

[1:06:25] but we talked about the lawn mower's gonna be coming up next

[1:06:29] summer and that's at like a 10

[1:06:32] or 1211, $13,000 budget.

[1:06:36] Whatever you're budgeting for that

[1:06:37] Had been.

[1:06:38] Yeah. Whatever it was budgeted for or whatever.

[1:06:41] But did you, are you guys still talking about looking into

[1:06:44] and possibly getting and having the guys do it?

[1:06:48] Because in my opinion in the long term,

[1:06:51] even in a year you'd save six, $7,000 if you had them do it

[1:06:55] and we had our own equipment, you would save,

[1:06:58] you would save money because you're already paying them a

[1:07:01] payroll really owes you.

[1:07:03] You're gonna have the expense

[1:07:04] of the equipment which would be a lot less than $13,000

[1:07:08] to pay somebody else tomorrow to do our town mowing.

[1:07:12] Well I was just following up on that

[1:07:14] 'cause I had asked, you know,

[1:07:16] and I know Kristen had said something about, she kind

[1:07:18] of thought that might have been a good idea.

[1:07:20] So if you could save the taxpayers here and there, you know,

[1:07:26] and that could be a, to me

[1:07:27] that could be a really big savings.

[1:07:30] I mean it Potentially six out dollars

[1:07:32] We can definitely take a look at it

[1:07:34] and extend it out one way or the other.

[1:07:35] You it one way and what is it gonna cost us the other way

[1:07:41] And the, the only other question I had, Steve was

[1:07:44] last year we had budgeted for roadside mowing.

[1:07:48] I actually made the suggestion when we were looking for,

[1:07:51] they were a little short on funds a couple years ago.

[1:07:53] Let's skip the road roadside mowing if we need to.

[1:07:56] It can be skipped

[1:07:58] for a year if we needed the mow somewhere else.

[1:08:00] I did happen to notice this year we didn't get

[1:08:02] the roadside mowing.

[1:08:04] So was there money budgeted for that?

[1:08:07] And then where did that money go?

[1:08:09] That was budgeted for just outta curiosity.

[1:08:14] That money will still be left from the,

[1:08:16] in the general fund that we allocate it for next year.

[1:08:20] Oh yeah. Well we can allocate it. Yeah, that we can take it.

[1:08:23] We can use it. We can allocate it into into the next year.

[1:08:27] We were hoping to maybe use it for some of the

[1:08:31] ing up this winter when the trees start hanging,

[1:08:34] the guys go out and do some trim, maybe run a piece

[1:08:36] of equipment to chip that brush.

[1:08:40] You're correct. We haven't spent any money on it

[1:08:42] and didn't have any intention of doing it this year.

[1:08:45] Well I think that, I think it was great.

[1:08:47] So you still actually have the money. Yeah.

[1:08:49] So you could use that for something else.

[1:08:51] 'cause to me roadside mowing every single year is an,

[1:08:56] an expense we don't need every other

[1:08:57] year I think is sufficient.

[1:08:59] Myself personally, but again I'm not a ditch person

[1:09:02] and that's just a suggestion.

[1:09:04] But I did want to follow up on that mowing thing

[1:09:06] because I really think that could be, you know,

[1:09:09] and I don't know, maybe the guys will say,

[1:09:10] hey no we don't mow lawns

[1:09:12] but you know what, to me they're grown men

[1:09:13] and they're doing a great job by the way out there for us

[1:09:17] and I'm glad to see 'em out there

[1:09:19] 'cause they seem like they're a really good team

[1:09:21] and to me, why couldn't they take one day of their week

[1:09:24] and their schedule and it'd give them more work.

[1:09:28] I mean we're a small town,

[1:09:29] it's not like they're booked every single day of the week.

[1:09:32] You know, or again, I don't know that.

[1:09:34] But anyways, that's my suggestion. Thank you.

[1:09:36] Okay. No, no we can add it to the things

[1:09:38] that we need to look at.

[1:09:39] We wanna look at that going forward is

[1:09:45] best way to do some of the things that we've, you know,

[1:09:49] me personally in the grants are getting higher

[1:09:53] and harder define and harder.

[1:09:55] Harder do as an example is salt check.

[1:09:58] You know that needs, that needs to be done.

[1:10:01] But we're not as a town come up with six $80,000

[1:10:05] to take it outta our pocket or afford blow bond

[1:10:08] or do something at this point in time, in my opinion,

[1:10:11] not money well spent, money well spent if we can get it

[1:10:15] and get, get a whole lot of help on it to do it.

[1:10:18] The permit solution that will out all of lifetime.

[1:10:22] So, but some of it, you mean some work

[1:10:26] that has been done from the flood thing.

[1:10:28] If you take a look at at Smith Road,

[1:10:33] how much that washed in the 24 flood,

[1:10:37] you know you got Smith Road get George Street,

[1:10:39] we have George Street and fixing the, the tail end

[1:10:41] of the 23 storm.

[1:10:44] Look at how minimal amount of damage

[1:10:46] was done on George Street.

[1:10:48] The two of them within what half a mile of one another go by

[1:10:53] and you look at George Street, how well it survived with,

[1:10:56] with the proper ditching and everything else

[1:10:58] and Smith Street that took out five covert

[1:11:01] and up, down, down.

[1:11:04] So me personally think, you know, if we can do more of

[1:11:08] that ditching and more of that stone, that

[1:11:11] to me is money well spent.

[1:11:13] So there's more ditching and stuff we need to do.

[1:11:16] That said, you know, the two guys we have now working

[1:11:20] with the state of Vermont at earmark some of these streets

[1:11:23] as an example, the Smith Road did bits

[1:11:26] and pieces of that that we could get money

[1:11:29] for ditching money.

[1:11:31] We do it, we get reimbursed for it

[1:11:34] and make it and make it better.

[1:11:36] So like you would think the whole road would be claimed from

[1:11:40] Reservoir Road all the way up to to the,

[1:11:42] to the end not there.

[1:11:44] Certain sections of the highway department,

[1:11:46] the state is labeled this section Ed,

[1:11:50] this next section does to me.

[1:11:52] It makes a right but I'll take whatever,

[1:11:54] whatever grant money we can get in order to help it.

[1:11:59] You know, grant Meck grant be secured for this,

[1:12:05] for that six

[1:12:08] and there's gonna be no money out of our pocket.

[1:12:12] You know, we have it work such that

[1:12:17] I told the people, although it good to give us four, $6,000

[1:12:21] but we can't go do the work

[1:12:23] and pull it out of our check account and ain't go pay it.

[1:12:26] It can't happen as much as we want to do it,

[1:12:28] we don't have the money, we can't afford the money ahead.

[1:12:32] So they us the

[1:12:36] money,

[1:12:46] a check paperwork that money

[1:12:51] out, that money back in

[1:13:03] a lot of these grants and Kevin can tell

[1:13:05] you you gotta do the work first.

[1:13:08] You know how not had that money sitting around.

[1:13:12] So we go back on the ditching.

[1:13:16] I agree with you, we need to do ditching

[1:13:18] but I've been been brought to my attention that some

[1:13:21] around ditching we've done in the past when we

[1:13:26] line the ditches with rocks,

[1:13:28] we buried up the end the culverts.

[1:13:30] So we got some culverts

[1:13:31] that are only this much of 'em showing.

[1:13:34] So we gotta go back and make sure

[1:13:35] that we get all those out so we don't plug up

[1:13:40] You, you know what it means.

[1:13:41] I think you guys know what it needs to be look like now,

[1:13:44] but to me spending money on ditching like that,

[1:13:49] Well it is if we do it, we do it right.

[1:13:51] Well we get it correct. Some of the stuff,

[1:13:53] some of it's not done correctly.

[1:13:54] I mean I've seen it, I know four

[1:13:56] or five spots on Smith Road and I see some over East Orange

[1:14:02] and just, we need to go down

[1:14:03] and just make sure we dig out the ends of them.

[1:14:05] And we did a great job ditching.

[1:14:08] We just, when we got to where the culvert is,

[1:14:11] we just took them up

[1:14:12] Off.

[1:14:13] I just had a quick question.

[1:14:16] The shimming that you guys did on Reservoir Road

[1:14:20] held up excellent by the way, we're a year in with that shim

[1:14:24] and I think, I think you've spent what, 20 grand on it

[1:14:27] and everybody then plus you did a big

[1:14:29] stretch on Tucker Road,

[1:14:31] Correct?

[1:14:32] Pretty much face in there.

[1:14:33] So hoping in the spring you guys would be thinking about

[1:14:38] some more shiman at least on Reservoir.

[1:14:40] I mean really, you know, you know how it is.

[1:14:42] I'll have to tell you guys, but for that $20,000,

[1:14:45] I think we got a good bang for our buck.

[1:14:48] I agree it it's still everybody.

[1:14:51] Oh it's gonna plow up, it's gonna do this. It's still there.

[1:14:53] It's still good. So you know,

[1:14:57] We did put a grant in for saving the end of Reserv

[1:15:01] Road.

[1:15:02] Did you, we Don't know if we

[1:15:02] heard from that from them or not

[1:15:05] When that comes out, But I mean I don't You

[1:15:10] think it held up good Steve? Yeah, absolutely.

[1:15:12] Yep. And in the contractor

[1:15:14] that did it came back multiple times

[1:15:16] and fixed spots that he didn't meet his standard.

[1:15:19] Yeah. So I think it's needs speak a lot.

[1:15:23] Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

[1:15:31] Okay. Anything else? Yes sir.

[1:15:34] Being new to the neighbor, the area living on the corner

[1:15:38] of Richmond Road and 3 0 2 I,

[1:15:42] it's my understanding that we're not contracted

[1:15:44] with Orange County Sheriffs anymore.

[1:15:45] Correct. That's a racetrack up there.

[1:15:50] And I yelled and screamed at people coming up

[1:15:54] and going down through there just ungodly speeds

[1:15:59] and smoking their tires to go around the corner.

[1:16:03] And when Hutchins was paving

[1:16:07] how the state felt with their job, I wasn't too impressed.

[1:16:09] It was a motorcycle accident right there at the,

[1:16:11] the intersection because they left such a big bump on the

[1:16:15] ground and they paved and it was all loose ground on a young

[1:16:18] lady dumped her motorcycle right there

[1:16:21] and she wasn't going fast.

[1:16:22] She was just barely moving.

[1:16:25] But I gotta say

[1:16:27] not having Orange County I think is not a good thing.

[1:16:31] You know, they're, I know we pay for their services,

[1:16:34] but that's been a racetrack down

[1:16:37] through there the past few months. Their

[1:16:39] Services, just so you're aware would do it.

[1:16:41] They would do it Monday through Friday, nine o'clock

[1:16:45] to four, four o'clock in the afternoon. That

[1:16:48] Was it. No weekend take their charge

[1:16:49] The minute they meet their Office.

[1:16:52] Okay, so at the town.

[1:16:56] Yeah, I understand. Okay,

[1:16:57] So kind of back it up.

[1:16:59] I am agree. We're all in agreement that

[1:17:01] to speak here way too much.

[1:17:02] Oh yeah. So why you getting on the board?

[1:17:05] Everybody else working on a thing called scoping study

[1:17:09] in order to do something out here?

[1:17:11] A major thing, as you all know, it's a down speed.

[1:17:14] It needs to be rolled.

[1:17:16] So we've been tried multiple different

[1:17:18] ways in order to do it.

[1:17:19] So we had a grant that came up with a bunch

[1:17:22] of different proposals, sidewalks out here

[1:17:26] on crosswalks out here,

[1:17:28] flashing whites down on the sign here

[1:17:31] and one death down over here.

[1:17:33] And we submitted it twice to the state

[1:17:36] and the first time that they just laughed out more, less

[1:17:41] so we resubmitted it back to them, back to the state

[1:17:45] for them to come up with something.

[1:17:47] Okay, we've gone through all their spoken study,

[1:17:52] we've had hearings here, we got input from town people signs

[1:17:57] now put it back to the state.

[1:18:00] So wait for them

[1:18:04] to now back in there airport again.

[1:18:08] That's why we put the streetlights out earlier. Yep.

[1:18:11] Last year. So least you can see them over

[1:18:15] Here and ones over here.

[1:18:16] Try to, we don't disagree with you, we your camp.

[1:18:22] No speeding.

[1:18:25] Yeah. I you lowered all you want.

[1:18:29] But people are still gonna come flying through here.

[1:18:31] That's, there's nothing you can do

[1:18:32] About that.

[1:18:33] Well they did when they did their traffic study,

[1:18:34] 85% of the people were speeding.

[1:18:36] Yeah. 85%.

[1:18:41] But again, it's at, it's at a,

[1:18:43] it's at it's set at a level of 40 miles an hour.

[1:18:45] Hey do that. And it's just ridiculous.

[1:18:49] There's dangerous side roads here. Two of them. Yep.

[1:18:52] A school, a church.

[1:18:54] Our driveway know What the state of Vermont needs.

[1:18:56] They needs us about all of us

[1:18:58] that live in this town right

[1:19:00] out there with a bunch of signs.

[1:19:02] We wanted the speed reduced

[1:19:05] and I know that seems like a terrible, I'm not trying

[1:19:08] to be irritating or anything about that,

[1:19:09] but it's been a dangerous place.

[1:19:12] You ought to be me out there backing out the road out there

[1:19:15] for 25 years.

[1:19:17] It's ridiculous.

[1:19:20] And the mornings when I leave to go

[1:19:21] to work, I have to really watch it.

[1:19:22] Oh, I understand. Up over that

[1:19:23] Hill.

[1:19:24] Pulling out of the driveway here.

[1:19:25] Ridiculous. When I pull up the driveway,

[1:19:27] my hands on the shifter

[1:19:28] because it may be going in reverse. Yeah,

[1:19:31] No, exactly. I do the same bang.

[1:19:32] We had the culvert done over on Little Pond Road.

[1:19:36] The gentleman actually pulled the tractor trailer truck

[1:19:39] right into the town clerk's office.

[1:19:41] So as he backed out, we had a motorcycle pass

[1:19:44] everybody on the right, all the way out

[1:19:46] through Orange County.

[1:19:48] Sheriff sat on the other side,

[1:19:49] all he did flipped his blue lights on and that was it.

[1:19:51] Never, never tried to get the guy or nothing. Yep.

[1:19:55] And I mean he passed like numerous cars where people walked.

[1:19:58] And I know that road is also considered an ATT V trail.

[1:20:02] Bridgeton road, right? No,

[1:20:04] There are no ATVs allowed in the town. No

[1:20:07] Coordinate.

[1:20:09] Well it's, it is it the previous board

[1:20:11] before us opened it up.

[1:20:14] So

[1:20:16] Where we have it, we have

[1:20:17] It, it's in the, it's in the minute somewhere.

[1:20:20] They opened it up George Street

[1:20:22] and then there was supposed to be some crossing here

[1:20:25] and then it goes down Richardson Earth.

[1:20:28] Numerous people have mentioned it across the earth,

[1:20:32] down George Street and,

[1:20:34] and something about going

[1:20:35] between two buildings and down through the woods.

[1:20:38] I was asked where the trail was down there.

[1:20:39] I said, I've never seen the trail down there.

[1:20:41] And they said, the previous board said that it was a lot

[1:20:47] the side the, yeah, that's the s

[1:20:51] But they got the trailer coming down on Richmond Road down

[1:20:54] by the steep hill there in that corner.

[1:20:55] And then they come, the signs

[1:20:57] are all coming right up the hill.

[1:21:00] And I've seen numerous four wheelers and motorcycles

[1:21:02] and that's how that girl was killed.

[1:21:04] She was on a dirt bike

[1:21:06] and I don't believe it was registered or anything.

[1:21:08] Yeah, it was. It was. That was Richard.

[1:21:10] It was registered, it was insured, it was everything.

[1:21:13] I do believe it was even road, it was even roadworthy like

[1:21:17] Yep.

[1:21:18] One. But I've counted numerous four wheelers

[1:21:20] and stuff running up down through here.

[1:21:21] I'm just waiting for 'em to cut across my lawn sometime.

[1:21:23] And if they do, they will not like me.

[1:21:28] Yeah, they've been coming down George

[1:21:29] Street here and then Yep. Headed over.

[1:21:32] I mean look at the speed

[1:21:33] for them cars coming through with all them out here too.

[1:21:36] There's no warning that there's,

[1:21:37] could be four wheelers on the road.

[1:21:42] Just The liability purpose.

[1:21:44] Kevin, if you can find that,

[1:21:46] I'll, I'll, I'll go back and look into minutes.

[1:21:48] I've never, never seen that. Somebody asked permission.

[1:21:52] I forgot who it was. Somewhere down by George Wilds

[1:21:56] and I remember they come up over with it

[1:21:58] and I don't remember, I don't remember was were we on the

[1:22:02] board or was it before?

[1:22:04] I think it was before. I think it was before. Yep.

[1:22:07] We talking about that was Sam.

[1:22:09] Yep, it Sam, I think it was Sam. You and Emily. Emily.

[1:22:13] I remember something got

[1:22:17] the A TV

[1:22:19] Yeah.

[1:22:20] Stuff. But They wanted to be able

[1:22:22] to drive from there down to the trail.

[1:22:25] But wouldn't that be a yearly thing?

[1:22:27] Just like the snowmobiles

[1:22:28] Come in and I'm not sure every year,

[1:22:30] I'm not sure I took it.

[1:22:32] Yeah. But I don't know if they explained

[1:22:34] that when they gave permission they said, you know,

[1:22:37] do they say this is a yearly thing

[1:22:39] or is we gave you permission

[1:22:42] and they're just running with it.

[1:22:43] You know what I mean? I

[1:22:44] can't believe they have permission to go.

[1:22:46] Two

[1:22:48] Would done that.

[1:22:49] They do two

[1:22:52] that well talked to vRAN.

[1:22:55] Okay. So the, the trail, like in Thompson,

[1:22:57] the trail runs down 25.

[1:22:59] Right? Right. So you talk to the town,

[1:23:01] the town says we didn't give 'em permission.

[1:23:02] Talked to state. State says we didn't give permission,

[1:23:04] but they still use it

[1:23:06] and nobody's doing nothing. So Yeah. Coming

[1:23:10] Off the store.

[1:23:12] Yeah. Down in the store and then headed up to Zion Hill

[1:23:16] and all those places.

[1:23:18] So they use, they just,

[1:23:23] but I know Tops Washington's talking about opening up

[1:23:28] their roads, certain roads in their town

[1:23:31] or all the town roads to residents in town.

[1:23:37] Non-residents can't

[1:23:38] Ride Unless you're a guest of a resident in town.

[1:23:42] So we were just talking about doing that.

[1:23:44] I don't know how that's gonna

[1:23:45] work out and how they're gonna,

[1:23:47] Who's gonna enforce it?

[1:23:48] What's that? Yeah.

[1:23:50] They don't know how they're gonna enforce

[1:23:51] That they sign it. Yeah.

[1:23:53] Because It's a big sport. It is. It's growing.

[1:23:56] Lot people do it. Yep. Side byside and everything. Yep.

[1:24:01] And you know, 90% of time, I'll, I'll tell you right now,

[1:24:03] I've had issues with snowmobiles.

[1:24:06] I actually had someone cause damage to my skidder.

[1:24:08] They dropped a winch in Barren in my winch

[1:24:11] and then found out later they was gonna

[1:24:13] close the whole gas trail down.

[1:24:14] The landowner was found out later.

[1:24:16] It was somebody who didn't even have permission,

[1:24:18] didn't have the sled weren registered,

[1:24:20] weren't sure they weren't even belonged to the club.

[1:24:22] They just happened to come down through

[1:24:23] and didn't like the idea.

[1:24:25] We were logging there and, and they dropped it in there

[1:24:32] and ended up costing like eight

[1:24:34] grand to rebuild the whole thing.

[1:24:37] The landowner is gonna shut it down.

[1:24:39] He's just gonna shut the whole trailer down. 500 acres land.

[1:24:42] He's just gonna shut it all down.

[1:24:44] Alright. Okay. Sorry.

[1:24:47] So homework for building, come back from, we have that,

[1:24:51] we'll another meeting. Okay.

[1:24:56] So I'll go through those minutes and try to find back.

[1:24:58] You can find something,

[1:25:00] I think Open up the door box in order for us to be able

[1:25:04] to allow that non register vehicle.

[1:25:08] Well you allow 'em on the road.

[1:25:10] You got, they gotta be registered and they gotta be insured.

[1:25:13] Right. That's mandatory by the state

[1:25:18] S Yep. S and all that stuff.

[1:25:21] Okay. Alright. So

[1:25:26] I mean we do the same thing.

[1:25:27] Snow wheel, whatever going

[1:25:28] Out here.

[1:25:31] Okay. Any other,

[1:25:35] alright, a motion to,

[1:25:38] Motion to adjourn.

[1:25:39] Second,

[1:25:44] thank.

[1:26:00] Yeah, I don't think there's any meeting this week.

Town of Orange Selectboard Meeting Nov 10 2025

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