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>> you healthy?
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>> I had a cold and it's got great now.
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» Let's see if I get it.
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>> Is that the day?
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>> I made this
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last
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» Are we good?
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>> Okay. We are good with technology. Uh
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let's call to order this meeting. Uh
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Ottawa County Board of Commissioners
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meeting for Thursday, April 30th, 2026.
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Um guess Rachel is here today to call
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the uh what am I doing here? Call the
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order. Well, that's me. I do have to
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call the order. We don't do attendance
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yet, so we're good. Sorry. It's been a
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day. We're just getting started. All
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right. Uh let's uh uh open up with an
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invocation. Who's doing the invocation
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today? Have we got that?
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>> Hey,
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>> Doug is.
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Oh. All right. Thank you, Doug.
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If you would uh offer
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Lord, bless us this morning as we
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convene to address the issues pertaining
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to the well-being of Ottawa County
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residents. May your wisdom guide our
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discussions toward fair and successful
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outcomes. Grant us the courage,
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strength, and insight to make decisions
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that benefit all those we serve.
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Be present in our deliberations,
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bestowing your grace upon the choices we
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make as leaders. Help us to lead with
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integrity, ensuring that our actions
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align with goodness and righteousness,
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and grant us humility to always seek
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your will in all our endeavors. Thank
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you for being our guiding light today.
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Amen.
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>> Amen.
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>> All right. And if you would all rise for
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the pledge of allegiance.
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I aliance to the flag of the United
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States of America and to the republic
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for which it stands. One nation under
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God, indivisible, with liberty and
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justice for all.
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>> All right.
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And now, Rachel, if you'd call the role.
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>> Mr. Barry. Mr. Dorsma.
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>> Yeah. Here.
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>> Mr. Zilstra.
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>> Yes.
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>> Bon Mr. Bonama
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>> here. Mr. Moss
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>> here.
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>> Mrs. Wenszel
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Toples
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>> here.
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>> Mrs. Roadie
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Kyers
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Buger
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>> here.
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>> Mrs. Mida
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Chair, we have a quorum.
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>> Thank you. And uh for those of you
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noticing that Commissioner Barry is
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missing, he is in route right now. So,
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he'll be joining us in a little bit. Uh
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first up on uh the agenda today,
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correspondents. We've got some sheriff's
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commendation awards. I spoke with the
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sheriff about mixing the order up just a
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touch because he has a whole bunch of
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people here. And so, um, we're going to
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go with the customer service awards, uh,
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first. So, um, first up is Deputy Evan
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Potter in the room.
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You You have to come up to the middle so
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that we can embarrass you.
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All right. Actually, I'm going to come
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up there and join you. How about that? I
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think that'll be better. Let me grab
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these wards.
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So, these are our Ottawa County customer
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service awards and there were um two
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well there were more than one nominee,
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but two individuals who stood out this
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year. Uh, and I've got Deputy Potter
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from the Sheriff's Office to my left.
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While working at Holland Township,
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Deputy Potter overheard a call about a
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baby being delivered at a home. Feet
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first. Breach. With an AMR still 11
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minutes out, it's an ambulance. Without
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hesitation, Deputy Potter responded to
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the scene in Zealand City and safely
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delivered a healthy baby girl.
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Wow.
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His
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calm under pressure and clinical
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excellence in such a high-risisk
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situation made all the difference for
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that mother and child. This is just one
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example of his dedication. Whether it's
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a challenging medical emergency or
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assisting law enforcement in a difficult
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call, Deputy Potter never hesitates to
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step in, lead, and support those around
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him. He consistently goes above and
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beyond the call of duty. Beyond his duty
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hours, Deputy Potter lives the
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commitment to serve. Just this past
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Friday, there's more. Okay. Just this
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past Friday night, a community member
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shared on Facebook that he saw Deputy
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Potter handing out Halloween candy to
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kids while on a shift. Uh it's small
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moments like this showing kindness,
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building community relationships, and
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making kids smile that truly reflect who
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he is. His heart and soul are poured
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into serving others, and our community
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is better because of them. One more
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applause for Deputy Potter, please.
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» All right. And up next, uh, is Tavia
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here.
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Oh, come on up. We get to embarrass you
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now.
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>> And am I saying that right, Octavia?
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Okay. Thank you. Like Octavia. Battavia.
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All right. So, uh, from the clerk's
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office today, we are honored to
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recognize Tavia Renma from the county
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clerk's register of deeds office for her
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outstanding compassion, professionalism,
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and exceptional service. Recently, a
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distressed customer came into the office
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after being targeted by a sophisticated
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jury duty scam. She had spent nearly
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half an hour on the phone with someone
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impersonating law enforcement, was
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threatened with a $15,000 warrant, and
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was coerced into sending all the funds
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she had available, $900, through a QR
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code payment.
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Tavia immediately stepped in. She
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contacted the Circuit Court Records jury
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division to verify the customer's status
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and quickly confirmed that no jury
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summons had been issued. With great
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care, she informed the customer that she
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had been scammed. then gently guided her
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to a private space to help her regain
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composure. Seeing the customer too
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overwhelmed to advocate for herself,
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Tavia took the lead, contacting the
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sheriff's office, speaking with
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dispatch, and ensuring the situation was
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escalated to a detective. She stayed
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with the customer every step of the way,
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offering support, reassurance, and even
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a comforting hug when the customer's
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emotions became too much for her to
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bear. Davia's actions went far beyond
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the expectations of her role. Her
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empathy, calm leadership, and heartfelt
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concern made a profound difference in
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someone's life on the one of their worst
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days. This is the very definition of
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exceptional public service. Please join
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me in recognizing Tavia.
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All
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right. And now we'll turn the floor over
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to our Ottawa County Sheriff, uh, Eric
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Dbor.
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>> Thank you, Chairman Burgerer. Uh, and I
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appreciate the board and the
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administration for recognizing our
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employees during your customer service
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awards. Um, as is the policy of the
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Ottawa County Sheriff's Office, when uh
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when a member is given an award, uh, it
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is they are notified by letter for their
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personnel file, but then scheduled for
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the next convenient meeting of the
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Ottawa County Board of Commissioners so
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they can be recognized publicly, as has
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been, uh, our our habit here within the
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last two years again. Um, but the
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incident we have today had a significant
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uh number of people and so in uh
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in respect for the time of the board and
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I know you have a busy agenda, we won't
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be bringing each person up to be
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recognized, but I will call their names
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after the description of the award and
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they'll hopefully raise their hands so
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you at least know which ones could make
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it because all of them couldn't even be
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here today. Um, and if after that we'll
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be we'll allow you time to recognize
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them and then we will leave your
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boardroom.
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>> Is this an hold applause until the end?
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>> That's what that is.
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>> All right. Got it.
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>> So, it is my honor to recognize the
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Ottawa County Sheriff's Office personnel
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who exceptional actions during the
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multi-vehicle crash on I96 in Zealand
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Township reflect the very best of public
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service. On that day, more than a 100
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vehicles were involved in one of the
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most complex crash scenes in our
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county's history.
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Despite the extreme weather and chaos,
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these men and women responded with calm
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professionalism, steady leadership, and
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remarkable teamwork. They secured a
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dangerous scene, assisted the injured
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and stranded motorist motorists,
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maintained critical communications, and
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coordinated research resources across
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multiple agencies, all while ensuring
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public safety under extreme pressure.
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Their actions not only saved lives, but
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also demonstrated what it truly means to
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serve with integrity, courage, and
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compassion. The seamless collaboration
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between our road patrol, our
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supervisors, our command staff, our EOC
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personnel along with fire, towing, and
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busing, and other entities exemplify how
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training, preparedness, and character
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come together when it matters most. It
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is a great privilege to present the
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sheriff's commendation award to this
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outstanding team for their dedication
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and professionalism during a nationally
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recognized event. Their service brought
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great credit to themselves, the Ottawa
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County Sheriff's Office, and the people
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of Ottawa County. We would like to
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recognize Deputy Ryan Beering,
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Investigative Support Specialist Greg
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Carlson,
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Deputy Jessica Davidson, Deputy Josh De
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Hogue,
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EOCC Leah Deleno,
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Animal Control Deputy Chris Dit,
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Deputy Brandon Fisk, Deputy Tristan
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Gerbers, Lieutenant Darren Derek Grener,
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Director Lou Hunt, Lieutenant Nick Not,
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Deputy Zack Martini,
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Sergeant Josh McCarthy,
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Deputy Mahar Nie, Deputy Ben Norris,
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Deputy AJ Reapberg,
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EOCC Chris Sadler,
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Deputy Jim Scholma, EOCC Deputy, sorry,
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EOCC Derek Schroeder,
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Captain Jake Sparks, Sergeant Michael
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Taminga, Deputy David Thompson, Deputy
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Brian Tucker, Deputy Adam Vanis,
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Sergeant Tyler Van Ducelar and Captain
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Eric Wester
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once again. I appreciate your time.
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>> Thank you, Sheriff. And thank you to
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your team.
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» Think we'll get sheriff's department a
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moment. I think they're going to head
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out for a photograph.
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You're going to be testing them every
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single day.
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Right.
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As they continue to file out, we'll
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invite uh Bob Dere up
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for a legislative update.
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» Good morning.
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>> Morning,
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>> Bob. I feel like we Yeah.
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little broken ankle deal I'm working on.
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But, uh, thank you for my time, uh, this
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morning as always. Always good to see
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everybody. We're right in the midst of
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budget season. Uh, things seem to be
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moving a little bit quicker than last
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year. As you remember, uh, the the
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budget went overtime last year. They had
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a little bit of a continuing resolution
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situation and didn't get done until
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October. Uh this being an election year,
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the pressure is on a little bit for the
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legislature to get it done, and it feels
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like it's headed towards uh an early
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July resolution um like we've been used
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to the last several years. So, that's a
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good thing. Uh but the budget is a
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little more challenging than it has
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been. There's about a $1.8 billion uh
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projected deficit, although we'll learn
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a little bit more when the revenue
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estimating conference happens uh in
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early May. Uh the governor's proposed
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closing that deficit uh through several
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new taxes, a little bit of decreased
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spending and some money from the rainy
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day fund to fill the last part of the
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hole. The House and Senate um have
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decided not to push forward with the tax
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proposals. Uh the Senate though is
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interested in pulling about $350 million
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out of that rainy day fund to help uh
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close the budget gap. Uh the governor
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and the senate both recommended uh the
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same revenue sharing uh numbers that we
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received in the budget last year. While
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the the house is adding $9.8 million to
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the county revenue sharing line, which
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is about a 10% increase. Um it's early
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to tell where that will land, but it
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will certainly be subject to um
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negotiation moving forward. Uh one other
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good thing I guess on the on the revenue
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sharing front is the Senate is starting
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to move forward on the bills to
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implement the revenue sharing trust
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fund, something that Ottawa County has
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long supported. Um, and this would take
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a portion of tax revenue and permanently
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dedicate it to this revenue sharing
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trust fund so that revenue sharing would
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no longer be subject to negotiations
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every single year. There's a pot of
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money be divided up. In theory, it goes
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up when when the state is doing well and
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revenues are up. Revenues ever go down,
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that pot of money would also go down,
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but it wouldn't be subject to uh annual
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negotiations,
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uh, cuts, raises, and the political
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process. It creates a little bit of
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stability and some predictability there.
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So, it was good to see the Senate uh
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taking some action on that this week. Um
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but it's got a little ways to go yet
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before it gets across the finish line.
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Uh as part of the budget process, uh
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there are two projects that we are
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working on behalf of Ottawa County. Uh
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the first one, um is in process already.
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The Michigan Strategic Fund recommended
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a $17 million grant to the city of
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Coopersville to support infrastructure
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upgrades um to help Fairlife expand
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their uh facility there in Coopersville.
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um Lakeshore Advantage and others are
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kind of leading that project and we are
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doing what we can to support them. Uh
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since the strategic fund uh recommended
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that funding, it's up to now to the
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House and the Senate appropriations
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committees to approve it. Um that money
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would come out of the uh state strategic
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readiness program uh fund. That fund has
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been a little bit less uh popular in the
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last year or two. It has funded some of
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the more controversial projects like the
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Gan Battery Plant up in Big Rapids. So I
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think there's a possibility that rather
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than use that process, the legislature
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will look at just appropriating money
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directly um and Rep. Mirman and others
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have led the process on asking uh for
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that to be part of the budget. So there
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we got two different pathways there. Um
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and I remain hopeful that that uh will
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be part of the budget. Uh the other
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project we're working on is with water
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resources commissioner Joe Bush a
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$500,000 grant request to support a
[16:30]
study for ways to recharge Ottawa
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County's uh groundwater aquifers. Um Joe
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came to Lancing recently testified in
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front of a House Appropriation
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Subcommittee about the need for this
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project. Um and things are looking good.
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All of our Ottawa County delegation has
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uh teamed up to push for this. Um it
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will really depend on how much money
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there is available. These are the types
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of things that are the the last the last
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types of projects funded. But um if we
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do have a decent pot of money for these
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legislatively directed spending items, I
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think there's a good chance that we'll
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get that $500,000 to do that study.
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>> Um the other thing that is starting to
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get a little bit of movement, the House
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Republicans introduced the uh the bills
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that would implement their property tax
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reform. I talked about that a little bit
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uh when I was here last quarter. Um and
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these are what we expected them to be.
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bills to eliminate the state education
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tax, the real estate transfer tax,
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eliminate the popup tax, and the
[17:22]
personal property tax on utilities. Uh
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there is also a bill that would uh
[17:26]
create a service tax on certain
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services, although the list of services
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is not yet uh part of it. It's subject
[17:33]
to the negotiations. Um if we would
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eliminate all of those, it's about a $5
[17:37]
billion uh amount of revenue that would
[17:40]
need to be replaced, and that's what the
[17:41]
service tax uh bill is designed to do.
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Um and so we'll we'll continue to
[17:47]
monitor that. Obviously, anything
[17:49]
property tax related has a potential to
[17:51]
have a significant impact on the county.
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Um and we will uh work with
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administration to make sure whatever is
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happening um we're in the loop. But uh
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that's my brief update and I'm happy to
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answer any questions you have.
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>> Thank you, Bob. Um we have a full
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agenda. Does anybody have a brief
[18:08]
question to ask of Bob? We can also act
[18:10]
give you a call. Is that correct?
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>> Always happy to take a phone call.
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>> Here we go. All right, let's do that.
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Thank you very much, Bob.
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>> All right, up next, uh, item D on our
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agenda, the prosecuting attorney's
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office 2025 annual report. I do believe
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I saw our prosecutor in the audience and
[18:28]
making her way up. Welcome.
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>> Good morning, board. Thank you for
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having me today.
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Yeah, it's my honor to present to all of
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you the 2025 annual budget for the
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prosecuting attorney. And yes, in the
[18:41]
interest of time, I'll get right at it.
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Um, I hope all of you have had an
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opportunity to actually receive our
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report when I had a copy of it because I
[18:50]
believe we printed a bunch of copies for
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that not knowing you didn't need them.
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Okay. All right. Well, as you all know
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probably, this was my first year as the
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elected prosecutor in 2025 to present to
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you the annual report. So, certainly is
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my honor. The mission statement. Go. Is
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this ready for me to go? Not so much.
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if that's easier. Okay. The mission
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statement of the prosecutor's office is mainly broken down into three parts.
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First of all, obviously, we want to
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preserve the quality of life of the
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citizens of Ottawa County. So, we want
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to make sure that Ottawa County remains
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one of the best places to live, work,
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and raise our children. And we do so
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through consistent enforcement of the
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criminal laws of the county and of the
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state. We also want to promote lawful
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conduct. We want to make sure that our
[19:43]
enforcement of the laws is encouraging
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people to comply with those laws by
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educating them, by making people
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understand that we are going to proceed
[19:51]
with fair prosecution and that there are
[19:54]
consequences for criminal behavior. And
[19:56]
three, that we're enhancing the safety
[19:58]
and the security of Ottawa County and
[20:01]
its citizens. So, we work very
[20:03]
collaborative collaboratively with all
[20:05]
of our law enforcement agencies,
[20:07]
sheriff's department, Zealand Police,
[20:09]
Grand Haven, Holland, Grand Valley, um
[20:12]
all of our police agencies, MSP, etc. We
[20:15]
work with them very closely to make sure
[20:17]
that we are using community enforcement,
[20:20]
creating that safer environment that
[20:21]
we're looking for to make sure that
[20:23]
we're strategically working together to
[20:25]
enforce laws and to create safety.
[20:28]
The responsibilities of the prosecutor
[20:31]
remain very heavy and we take those very
[20:34]
seriously. The prosecuting attorney is
[20:36]
the chief law enforcement officer in
[20:39]
Ottawa County created by the Michigan
[20:41]
Constitution and responsible for common
[20:44]
law statute court rule and appellet case
[20:46]
law. We obviously do criminal case
[20:49]
prosecution both at the criminal level
[20:51]
or excuse me at the adult level and the
[20:53]
juvenile level. So, we handle any type
[20:55]
of criminal case that enters Ottawa
[20:57]
County, no matter what your age. We have
[21:00]
specialty services that we focus on at
[21:04]
the Ottawa County Prosecutor's Office,
[21:06]
which includes a family court division
[21:08]
that is becoming growingly and
[21:10]
increasingly large and timeconuming.
[21:12]
Unfortunately, we have a domestic
[21:14]
violence unit, a very strong and large
[21:18]
victim's rights unit. You may have seen
[21:20]
our May basket spread throughout the
[21:22]
county. Our victims advocates have been
[21:24]
working very hard to get hygiene
[21:27]
products gathered together for victims
[21:29]
of crime and donate those to resilience.
[21:30]
So if you haven't seen those, I think
[21:32]
you have one more day to donate. Um we
[21:34]
have an appellet specialist. Um the
[21:36]
appellet world is truly causing us a lot
[21:40]
of extra work and focus. So we've
[21:43]
divided um some of our units into
[21:45]
creating that specialty department. And
[21:47]
also we have attorneys that are
[21:49]
specialized as we all are in training
[21:52]
law enforcement to make sure that
[21:53]
they're up to speed with our laws and
[21:56]
how we're handling cases.
[21:58]
Third, and very important to us is
[22:00]
community leadership. I think it's more
[22:01]
and more important for us to recognize
[22:03]
our role in the community and the need
[22:05]
for us to make sure that we're out in
[22:06]
the community educating them as much as
[22:09]
possible. I know today we have a couple
[22:11]
of attorneys that are um allowing a
[22:13]
middle school student to job shadow them
[22:15]
today to just kind of give them a little
[22:17]
bit of taste of what we do. But any
[22:18]
opportunity we have to go into schools,
[22:20]
uh senior resource facilities, anything
[22:22]
we can do, we're going to be there and
[22:24]
we're going to educate as but as much as
[22:25]
we can. And we often will team with our
[22:27]
law enforcement to kind of give the full
[22:29]
story of making sure that people and
[22:31]
citizens are safe. Our office locations,
[22:35]
those haven't changed. We still have the
[22:37]
two. So we have our office.
[22:39]
Unfortunately, it's very unique and
[22:40]
difficult when it comes to being a
[22:42]
prosecutor to have these two very
[22:43]
distinct locations. We work very hard
[22:46]
constantly to try to keep that division
[22:48]
as small as possible. We try to get our
[22:51]
teams together as much as we can, but
[22:53]
unfortunately Ottawa County is pretty
[22:55]
spread out. So we've talked many times
[22:57]
about rebringing in a third branch.
[22:59]
We're just not going to do that. We need
[23:01]
to keep our resources together, keep our
[23:03]
teams together. It's one of the thing
[23:04]
that truly makes us great. Um,
[23:08]
we are looking forward to presenting to
[23:10]
this board in our 2026 budget, moving or
[23:13]
at least starting to move into
[23:15]
renovations of the second floor of Grand
[23:16]
Haven. I won't go there yet. Um, the
[23:20]
prosecutor's office staff, we have a
[23:22]
leadership team made of four individuals
[23:24]
and I can tell you I am so incredibly
[23:28]
grateful for this team. I certainly
[23:29]
couldn't do what I do without them. So
[23:31]
me as the prosecutor, my chief assistant
[23:33]
is Jake Jennison. He was going to be
[23:35]
here today, but he had court he had to
[23:37]
handle handling one of our young child
[23:39]
CC victims with our K9 advocate Q.
[23:43]
Mallerie Juel, she's here. She loves
[23:45]
being drawn attention to. She's our
[23:48]
office manager in Holland. And Elizabeth
[23:50]
Cookenmeister is at a training. She's
[23:51]
our office manager in Grand Haven. Um
[23:54]
those three individuals really are
[23:56]
important to me in my work and make this
[23:58]
county and this uh prosecuting office
[24:00]
truly run. The other people that make us
[24:03]
stellar in my humble opinion is the rest
[24:07]
of our staff, including 16 assistant
[24:09]
prosecuting attorneys with specialized
[24:12]
expertise. We've really tried to focus
[24:13]
on where are your strengths. What do you
[24:15]
do the best in? Because we've got crime
[24:17]
coming from all angles. And we want to
[24:19]
know if we've got one that's really
[24:20]
complicated and it involves digital
[24:21]
evidence or if it involves weaponry or
[24:23]
if it involves kids or it involves
[24:25]
adults or or lots of numbers, who who do
[24:28]
we go to on those really complicated
[24:30]
cases? And we try to really focus their
[24:32]
trainings in those areas. Whereas we all
[24:34]
can handle them. If we've got those
[24:36]
really complicated ones, we have ones
[24:37]
that we can go to. very gifted, very
[24:40]
gifted attorneys and very experienced.
[24:42]
We're blessed. 12 legal assistants that
[24:44]
across three divisions. We have legal
[24:46]
assistant ones that kind of handle
[24:48]
triage in our office, the front windows.
[24:50]
We have twos that handle our district
[24:51]
courts. And then we have threes that
[24:53]
handle our circuit courts. Four IT
[24:55]
specialists that handle our digital
[24:56]
evidence. We've had those positions for
[24:58]
several years now. And they are so
[24:59]
crucial. um more and more increasing
[25:02]
their duties when it comes to digital
[25:03]
evidence, receiving from the police
[25:05]
agencies, getting them out to defense
[25:07]
attorneys and then helping the attorneys
[25:09]
prepare those presentations for juries,
[25:11]
which more and more we're being expected
[25:14]
to do. And instead of just reviewing a
[25:16]
police report, we're reviewing about
[25:18]
four to eight plus hours of digital
[25:20]
evidence in addition to those police
[25:22]
reports. So the time that it takes to do
[25:24]
our jobs is very different these days.
[25:28]
We have seven victim's rights unit
[25:29]
members. That's just increasingly more
[25:31]
need in our community to have advocates
[25:34]
that are here for victims. Um, our
[25:36]
seventh is the cheapest one for the
[25:37]
county. So, you all can rest assured
[25:39]
that our most lazy employee is the
[25:41]
cheapest employee and probably one of
[25:43]
our best and that's our K9 advocate
[25:45]
queue. So, we have some new faces in
[25:48]
2025. We hired and we were able to hire
[25:50]
some new attorneys. Kimberly Ronin is an
[25:54]
assistant prosecutor level one. She has
[25:57]
vast experience when it comes to doing
[26:00]
um mental health hearings and some
[26:01]
probate matters. So, she did work for
[26:04]
the county being assigned to some of
[26:05]
those mental health commitment hearings,
[26:08]
defending those individuals and making
[26:10]
sure that those rights are protected.
[26:12]
And now we've snagged her and she's
[26:13]
working with us and she's been assigned
[26:15]
to our juvenile delinquency division and
[26:17]
handling some other probate matters.
[26:18]
She's been a true gift. Rachel Mcenhill,
[26:21]
she was a prosecutor in Moskegan for 15
[26:24]
years and then she decided that she
[26:26]
wanted to do more with regards to
[26:27]
advocacy for children. So she worked as
[26:30]
a forensic interviewer and then became a
[26:32]
senior in the position with
[26:34]
supervisoring at the Moskegan Children's
[26:37]
Advocacy Center. And we have another
[26:39]
prosecutor that we had snagged from
[26:41]
Mskegegan a while back who said, "Hey, I
[26:43]
know you still got that itch to be a
[26:45]
prosecutor. I think Ottawa County is
[26:46]
going to get you what you need." And she
[26:48]
agreed. So, we were very fortunate to
[26:50]
get Rachel McNill to come and help us
[26:53]
out with our cases. She's been focusing
[26:55]
more and more on child abuse cases. Ryan
[26:58]
Seal, he's one of our assistant
[26:59]
prosecutors that actually, if you happen
[27:01]
to recognize his name, it's because he
[27:03]
was a public defender, and I won't go
[27:06]
there, but we're very lucky to have
[27:08]
Brian Seal on our staff. He's he's a
[27:10]
gift. Changes and challenges. Well, I
[27:13]
don't know that I like the title of
[27:14]
Changes and Challenges being my name,
[27:16]
but there it's there. Um certainly it's
[27:19]
been a challenge and a total privilege
[27:21]
for me to have this office and and
[27:23]
hopefully things are going well that you
[27:25]
can see on your end as well. Jake
[27:27]
Jennison was uh promoted to my chief
[27:29]
assistant. He was previously a senior
[27:31]
attorney. Had some promotions of um APAs
[27:35]
that were now senior attorneys. Carol
[27:37]
Wilkinson, Jay Tubergen, and Ben Medma.
[27:40]
um just absolute gifted attorneys that
[27:43]
have a lot of experience that are are
[27:44]
branching out in some other areas and
[27:46]
covering some new topics. We had Joel
[27:48]
and Haz who was probably the only other
[27:50]
attorney that had been there anywhere
[27:52]
near as long as I had. So I think she
[27:54]
was shy of mine by about two years. She
[27:56]
finally retired um for her sake for her
[28:00]
grandchildren back in June of 2025.
[28:03]
Um we went paperless. You are welcome.
[28:05]
That was a very difficult thing for a
[28:07]
lot of us to do. We had been kind of
[28:10]
baby stepping it, but you can only baby
[28:12]
step things for so long. And we figured
[28:13]
after about five, seven years of baby
[28:15]
stepping stepping, we're just going to
[28:16]
rip that band-aid. So, we did. Um, and I think we're pretty cool with it. I
[28:21]
think things are going fine. And I
[28:22]
definitely know that we've we've
[28:23]
experienced a significant um financial
[28:26]
savings. Also, time just duplicating
[28:29]
everything over and over again was just
[28:30]
becoming ridiculous. So, we we fixed
[28:32]
that. Towards the end of last year, we
[28:34]
implemented Carpel as our new case
[28:35]
management system. I also will just wait
[28:38]
and talk to you about that this year
[28:39]
because that's been really a huge
[28:41]
struggle for my staff and I am so
[28:44]
grateful for them for just hanging in
[28:45]
with us on it and um we're getting
[28:47]
through it here pretty well and it will
[28:48]
end up being a real big gift. So
[28:50]
hopefully next year when I'm here I will
[28:52]
tell you all the great things about
[28:52]
Carpal right now. I'm just going to bite
[28:54]
my tongue for a hot minute. Digital
[28:56]
evidence just continues to be expounded.
[28:58]
Ottawa County Sheriff's Office started
[29:00]
their digital evidence. We had been used
[29:02]
to it with Holland and a couple other
[29:03]
agencies, but we were preparing and knew
[29:06]
that that would change things a bit and
[29:07]
it certainly did. So, we're continuing
[29:09]
to enhance our digital evidence pro um
[29:11]
in the courtroom and our discovery
[29:13]
process. Between retirements,
[29:14]
promotions, and positions offing uh
[29:16]
openings, there were 11 different
[29:18]
staffing changes in 2025. Most of those
[29:20]
we were able to gift some really good
[29:22]
talented individuals with promotions
[29:24]
within our office. Criminal case load
[29:27]
overview, we had almost 2,000 felonies.
[29:30]
That rate increased by about 5.5% from
[29:32]
last year. Little over 5,000
[29:35]
misdemeanors which increased just not
[29:37]
even quite 1% from last year. Um the
[29:40]
juvenile case load decreased by about 5%
[29:43]
just under a thousand there um this year
[29:46]
for a total of approximately 8,000 cases
[29:49]
which increased by about 1%. So you know
[29:53]
crime is what crime is going to be and
[29:55]
so when we receive those cases we make
[29:57]
sure we handle them appropriately.
[29:59]
significant crime trends. I know this is
[30:00]
something that everybody likes to kind
[30:02]
of just have a grasp on, especially from
[30:04]
the board here. Notable increases are
[30:06]
felony drunk drivingings. You know, we work really hard with our recovery
[30:10]
courts. They do a tremendous job.
[30:12]
They're not full. So, we need to make
[30:14]
sure that we're reassessing who's
[30:15]
getting into those courts and if maybe
[30:17]
expanding that. So, I know we've had a
[30:19]
lot of conversations about expanding
[30:21]
that application process to see who else
[30:23]
we can serve in those areas. Robberies
[30:26]
up 100%. Well, that just basically means
[30:28]
that if we had maybe two, we had four or
[30:30]
something along those lines. So, you can
[30:31]
refer to our our more detailed report to
[30:34]
get that information. Misdemeanor drunk
[30:36]
driving, not surprisingly, is also
[30:38]
increased. Weapons offenses are up. That
[30:40]
is something that we have always been
[30:42]
very careful of. We're just trying to
[30:44]
work on those as best as we can and our
[30:46]
law enforcement does a tremendous job
[30:47]
making sure that once it comes to us, we
[30:50]
make sure those weapons are forfeited so
[30:51]
they don't get back into the hands of
[30:52]
people who don't need them. Um, domestic
[30:55]
violence is up a little bit, drug
[30:56]
offenses are up. So, those are the kind
[30:58]
of areas that we see usually fairly
[31:00]
consistently in our in our county.
[31:02]
Notable decreases, property crimes, I
[31:04]
know we were dealing with that so much
[31:06]
with break-ins and driveways and things
[31:08]
along those lines. That significantly
[31:09]
went down, which is great. Criminal
[31:11]
sexual conduct is slightly down.
[31:13]
Obviously, that's a great trend. Arson,
[31:15]
again, is one of those where we have
[31:16]
maybe one or two or three a year. So,
[31:18]
you're going to see that percentage one
[31:19]
way or the other pretty significant.
[31:21]
breaking entering extraditions where
[31:23]
we're bringing in other people from
[31:24]
other counties who committed crimes here
[31:26]
that is also down um there's statistics
[31:29]
here I want to keep your time here at
[31:31]
most interest you can take a look at
[31:33]
those with regards to domestic violence
[31:35]
I touched a little bit about on that um
[31:38]
moving on to postconviction workload
[31:40]
that that's appeals so once we get
[31:43]
through the trials we get our
[31:45]
convictions we have served justice as
[31:48]
best as we can we are seeing a huge
[31:51]
increase in our appellet work. The
[31:53]
prosecutor's office as many people might
[31:55]
not know know is that we also have to
[31:57]
handle those. So at any point in time
[31:59]
there is a case there is work involved
[32:02]
in a case we are going to be handling
[32:04]
that. So if we handled the criminal case
[32:06]
we're going to be handling the appeals
[32:08]
and it is just been a huge significant
[32:11]
um issue that we've been dealing with.
[32:14]
So we've had some major significant
[32:16]
appeals. Everyone's probably familiar
[32:18]
with the Karen Bose case because we've
[32:19]
come to you for a lot of money for
[32:21]
experts on the different appeals on that
[32:22]
and we appreciate your support through
[32:24]
that. Um, we're very happy with that
[32:26]
result. Um, and then there's a couple
[32:28]
other noteworthy ones. These cases that
[32:30]
are on here I could talk to you about
[32:32]
for probably hours and all the major
[32:34]
issues that are being handled right now
[32:36]
in our Supreme Courts and our court of
[32:38]
appeals that are going to make some
[32:40]
significant changes in how we handle our
[32:43]
cases. So, we've got a lot of concern
[32:46]
going out there anxiously awaiting for
[32:47]
some of these decisions and
[32:49]
unfortunately we're not looking forward
[32:50]
to some of the results that we're
[32:51]
hearing rumors of. So, it gives you kind
[32:53]
of an outline of of our postconviction
[32:56]
process there. Abuse and neglect cases
[32:59]
are up. Um, I spoke with our abuse and
[33:02]
neglect attorneys before kind of coming
[33:05]
here once they saw the results. They are
[33:07]
definitely trying more cases. They tried
[33:09]
58 between the two of them in 2025 and that's more. But they're doing great
[33:14]
work. They're they're really giving
[33:15]
these cases great attention and using
[33:18]
their skill and their expertise to make
[33:19]
sure that everything is handled
[33:21]
appropriately. Um when it comes to those
[33:23]
very sensitive cases,
[33:26]
homicides in 2025, you know, we
[33:28]
obviously can't get into them, so we
[33:30]
just kind of take some news clips and we
[33:32]
just give them to you. Um there was a
[33:34]
mother charged with killing her teen son
[33:36]
in a Holland apartment. Katie Lee, she
[33:38]
was already sentenced. Um, regarding
[33:41]
Alan Lopez, it was an 18-year-old
[33:43]
charged with manslaughter and the
[33:44]
shooting death of a friend of his in a
[33:46]
vehicle. Um, Grand Valley State
[33:50]
University student was shot through the
[33:51]
floor at a house party. Um, that case
[33:54]
got resolved last year as well. And then
[33:58]
pending trial here in 2026 is Michelle
[34:01]
Matoss Cologne and that's a Jennison
[34:04]
area woman who's accused in the shooting
[34:06]
death of her husband.
[34:09]
Um the last one is Joyce Lockett. She
[34:12]
was charged with involuntary
[34:13]
manslaughter and that was pled to a
[34:14]
lesser charge that involved um a young a
[34:16]
young baby.
[34:18]
>> Victim's rights services. That's where
[34:21]
everything always gets very heavy during
[34:22]
that moment. So, I don't if anybody has
[34:24]
any questions, you know, happy to answer
[34:26]
them. Victim's rights services. Um, our
[34:28]
victim's rights department is second to
[34:30]
none. We have a fairly short staff
[34:32]
considering we're the seventh largest
[34:34]
county in Ottawa County. So, or excuse
[34:36]
me, in Michigan and the amount of
[34:38]
victims that they reach out to is
[34:41]
phenomenal. And to be perfectly honest,
[34:43]
I I don't know how they do it, but they
[34:45]
also were able to um fine-tune all of
[34:48]
our paperwork. we have to send out
[34:51]
information to victims on every single
[34:52]
case and we were just looking at it more
[34:54]
and more just thinking this stuff just
[34:56]
doesn't make sense. If I'm a victim and
[34:57]
I'm receiving this like let's take the
[34:59]
time and see what happens when we're
[35:00]
receiving this information and and we
[35:02]
just weren't satisfied with the quality
[35:04]
of that. So they worked very hard with
[35:06]
our office managers to go through and
[35:09]
revamp all of that and I'm very proud of
[35:11]
the result and they also brought an
[35:12]
intern for that that was no cost to the
[35:14]
county and she helped change our entire
[35:16]
website as well. So hopefully you guys
[35:18]
all have an opportunity to take a look
[35:19]
at our website. Very proud of that as
[35:21]
well. It's been a long time since that's
[35:24]
ever been looked at. A day in the life
[35:26]
of Q. He's probably the most fun thing.
[35:28]
I already kind of talked with him. But
[35:29]
the interesting thing is Q helps us in a
[35:32]
100 plus child victim cases and I don't
[35:34]
know what we would do without him. We've
[35:36]
had other canines in the past and this
[35:38]
one is just working out great. One of
[35:40]
the things is we have them assigned to
[35:41]
an attorney rather than a victim
[35:43]
advocate. So, um, Jake handles a lot of
[35:45]
our child CSC cases with Rachel. And so,
[35:48]
it's really good to have him there with
[35:51]
his dog, um, as they're doing. And so,
[35:53]
he takes Q home with him. It is his dog,
[35:56]
but Q is here every day at work. Um,
[35:59]
we've unfortunately been told that we
[36:00]
can't give him as many treats as we used
[36:02]
to. He's on a wee bit of a diet. Um, but
[36:04]
other than that, he's healthy and happy
[36:06]
and doing a great job. All right. Uh,
[36:09]
last but not least, looking ahead, we've
[36:11]
got a really exciting 2026. Um, we're
[36:14]
integrating learns and Axon to our
[36:17]
Carpel system. That's all boring stuff,
[36:19]
but you all probably have heard these
[36:21]
words, so you know what that's relevant
[36:22]
to. Just integrating, getting the
[36:24]
information to our office faster and
[36:26]
cleaner and without as much work from
[36:29]
our law enforcement agencies. building
[36:31]
reconstruction. We have busted the seams
[36:34]
in all of our offices and you guys have
[36:36]
kindly and graciously provided an
[36:38]
opportunity for us to move up to the
[36:39]
second floor in Grand Haven. So, that'll
[36:41]
give us a lot more space. Um, we also
[36:44]
know that there's some new judges that
[36:45]
might be coming that we're going to be
[36:46]
having to increase our staff a bit too
[36:48]
for. So, we got a lot of stuff going on
[36:50]
and just continuously dealing with
[36:52]
digital evidence and how we can make
[36:54]
sure that we're handling that
[36:55]
appropriately. I appreciate your time.
[36:58]
Um, I know you got a lot going on. If
[37:00]
there's any questions I can answer, I'm
[37:01]
more than happy to do so. Otherwise, I
[37:03]
really am grateful for all that you do
[37:04]
and for having me here today.
[37:06]
>> Sarah, would it be all right if we
[37:07]
reached out to you with an email or a
[37:09]
phone call?
[37:10]
>> Anytime.
[37:11]
>> All right. Thank you very much for the
[37:13]
update, for all you do and your team. My
[37:15]
goodness.
[37:18]
All right. Up next on our agenda item E,
[37:21]
excuse me, F is the equalization
[37:23]
department's 2025 annual report. Nope.
[37:26]
Sorry. I apologize. I went too far. E 20
[37:29]
circuit and probate courts 2025 annual
[37:32]
report. I believe Susan is maybe in the
[37:36]
audience. There she is making her way
[37:38]
for and we have a judge as well. Sir,
[37:40]
welcome.
[37:40]
>> We do.
[37:42]
>> Thank you uh Chairperson Berger and the
[37:44]
Ottawa County Board of Commissioners.
[37:46]
Good morning from the third branch of
[37:48]
government. Uh on behalf of my
[37:50]
colleagues on the circuit and probate
[37:52]
court, it's my privilege to introduce
[37:53]
the 2025 annual report titled Justice
[37:56]
Forward, focusing on innovation and
[37:59]
excellence. Our court administrator,
[38:01]
Susan Franklin, will walk you through
[38:03]
the report in more detail, but I wanted
[38:05]
to offer a few brief remarks from my own
[38:07]
perspective at the outset. First, I want
[38:10]
to express our appreciation on behalf of
[38:13]
judges, referees, administrators, and
[38:15]
staff for the board's consistent support
[38:17]
of the administration of justice in
[38:19]
Ottawa County. The quality of justice
[38:22]
we're able to provide is not accidental.
[38:24]
It's the direct result of a governing
[38:26]
body that takes seriously its obligation
[38:28]
to fund the courts. We are recognized
[38:31]
statewide as a high performing court. We
[38:33]
have a nationally recognized recovery
[38:35]
court and legal self-help center and
[38:37]
they exist because of your investment.
[38:39]
They deliver real measurable benefit to
[38:42]
the families of Ottawa County and we do
[38:44]
not take that partnership for granted.
[38:46]
I'm here because I want to highlight our
[38:48]
current challenges. Case loads across
[38:50]
the circuit court continue to grow and
[38:52]
the complexity of individual cases is
[38:54]
increasing as well. Our judges and
[38:57]
referees are carrying more than
[38:58]
full-time workloads. The Michigan
[39:00]
Supreme Court recognized this in the
[39:02]
2025 judicial resources report issued
[39:05]
last December and recommended adding an
[39:08]
additional circuit judge to the 20th
[39:09]
Circuit.
[39:11]
We will be pursuing this recommendation
[39:13]
and what that means for Ottawa County
[39:16]
with the knowledge that a new judgeship
[39:18]
cannot now be filled until the general
[39:20]
election in 2028
[39:23]
when we will be electing potentially
[39:25]
three new judges, half our bench. But we
[39:29]
can't wait for three new judges to deal
[39:31]
with our current challenges. What we
[39:33]
need to do is work smarter with the
[39:34]
technology we have and the technology
[39:36]
that's now available. So in 2025 we
[39:39]
launched an AI assisted transcript pilot
[39:42]
project uh in partnership with the state
[39:45]
court administrative office. This year
[39:47]
we've launched a second pilot project to
[39:49]
improve case and data management and
[39:51]
analysis by our judicial officers and
[39:53]
research attorneys. That first pilot
[39:55]
project has gone very well and the
[39:58]
second one is uh is just getting started
[40:00]
and we will be reporting back on those.
[40:03]
Our probate court has long been a leader
[40:05]
in virtual hearings, electronic filing
[40:07]
and digital case management. Looking
[40:10]
ahead, improvements in our use of
[40:12]
technology is essential to sustaining
[40:15]
the quality of and timeliness of
[40:17]
judicial services for county residents.
[40:20]
We're committed to moving justice
[40:22]
forward thoughtfully. responsibility
[40:24]
responsibly and in partnership with the
[40:27]
county. I'd welcome any questions you
[40:29]
have for me. Otherwise, I'm going to
[40:31]
turn the floor over to our fabulous
[40:32]
court administrator, Susan Franklin.
[40:35]
Thank you.
[40:36]
>> Thank you, your honor.
[40:39]
>> Thank you very much, judge. And we
[40:41]
should recognize that in 2025, Judge
[40:43]
Venolsburg was actually the recipient of
[40:45]
the Hilda Gage Judicial Excellence
[40:47]
Award. This award was present pres
[40:49]
presented to him at uh he was considered
[40:52]
amongst all the current and retired
[40:54]
circuit and court of appeals judges and
[40:57]
he was granted that award by the
[40:59]
Michigan judges association. So
[41:01]
congratulations judge.
[41:04]
Obviously we have more than just judge
[41:05]
vanber although he does a lot. He can't
[41:07]
do it all by himself. Our other judicial
[41:10]
officers are shown here. We the top
[41:12]
three are all in the family justice
[41:14]
center as part of our family division.
[41:16]
And below them, Judge Hullsing and Judge
[41:18]
Midima work out of the Grand Haven
[41:20]
courthouse and they handle the civil and
[41:22]
criminal dockets.
[41:27]
And Judge Dolman is our chief probate
[41:29]
judge. He's also located in the Grand
[41:32]
Haven Courthouse and he also presides
[41:35]
over a recovery court which Judge
[41:37]
Vanberg mentioned. that recovery court
[41:39]
is completely grant-f funded. So that
[41:42]
has not cost uh Ottawa County any money
[41:45]
over the term. It's been I think 21
[41:49]
years now. Um and we're very proud of
[41:51]
it. It's been recognized statewide and
[41:53]
nationally and we had 25 participants
[41:56]
graduate in 2025 which we're very proud
[41:58]
of.
[42:00]
Uh Judge Vanlesburg mentioned a little
[42:02]
bit about our transcript pilot project.
[42:04]
I would like to say that it did go a
[42:06]
little further than just transcripts
[42:08]
because we uploaded basically all of our
[42:10]
hearing recordings into the cloud and an
[42:13]
AI converted that to text. But there was
[42:16]
also a part of the program that allowed
[42:18]
the judges to ask questions of what
[42:21]
happened in the hearings. So it could
[42:23]
provide a separate summary. It could
[42:25]
provide a summary of what witnesses
[42:27]
testified to uh what exhibits were
[42:30]
offered and admitted and allowed the
[42:32]
judges to actually ask it to summarize
[42:35]
the order that they gave in those cases
[42:37]
which we could then uh create a document
[42:40]
for. So it was definitely a very
[42:42]
interesting pilot project and we're
[42:44]
looking to continue potentially that uh
[42:47]
pilot project into the future. Our trial
[42:50]
division is the portion of the court
[42:52]
that hears our criminal and civil cases.
[42:56]
And I should have mentioned this at the
[42:57]
beginning, but I do appreciate that we
[42:59]
were able to follow uh prosecutor
[43:01]
Matoyek. Uh it's really an Ottawa County
[43:04]
episode of Law and Order here today. And
[43:06]
I'll let you uh add the sound effects to
[43:09]
that yourselves. Uh
[43:12]
so this as I said this is uh Judge
[43:15]
Holling and Judge Mima's docket
[43:16]
generally in Grand Haven and we did have
[43:20]
an uptick in our case numbers this year.
[43:23]
Uh not a huge uptick but one of the most
[43:25]
significant parts were that there were
[43:27]
46 more felony capital criminal cases
[43:32]
last year than there had been the year
[43:33]
before. And those capital cases are the
[43:35]
ones that are punished by up to life in
[43:37]
prison. So those take a lot of time both
[43:40]
for the prosecutor's office, the public
[43:41]
defender's office, and for the court uh
[43:43]
to manage.
[43:46]
We have two legal self-help centers now,
[43:48]
one in each of our major courouses. So
[43:50]
one in Grand Haven and one in the family
[43:52]
justice center here in West Olive. Uh
[43:54]
this program allows people to represent
[43:57]
themselves. So we see a lot of use for
[44:00]
this in family division cases where
[44:02]
perhaps someone could not afford to hire
[44:05]
an attorney to represent them. They're
[44:07]
able to ask questions regarding court
[44:09]
processes and procedures and get forms
[44:11]
that are uh make it easier for them to
[44:15]
represent themselves. Uh a lot of court
[44:17]
procedures are in legal ease as we say
[44:21]
and this center allows for that
[44:23]
translation into English that everyone
[44:26]
can understand. So we're very proud of
[44:28]
the work that they've done.
[44:30]
our case load statistics. You can see
[44:32]
there compared to last year, we've had
[44:34]
some upticks. Uh we did have a slight um
[44:38]
reduction in juvenile delinquency cases.
[44:40]
Uh but that was made up for in other
[44:42]
areas where we had upticks. I'd also
[44:46]
like to highlight our attorney referees.
[44:49]
Uh these three individuals do a lot of
[44:51]
pre-work for our family division judges.
[44:54]
They will hear uh motions for child
[44:57]
support, parenting time, those type of
[45:00]
cases. They also do a lot of preliminary
[45:02]
hearings in juvenile delinquency. And
[45:03]
that takes some of the stress off our
[45:05]
judicial dockets, which is particularly
[45:08]
important because as Judge Vanlberg
[45:11]
referred to the judicial resources
[45:13]
report, the Supreme Court determined
[45:16]
that each Ottawa County judge is doing
[45:19]
122% of what a judge's full-time
[45:22]
workload should be. they have a lot of
[45:24]
cases in front of them. So, our attorney
[45:27]
referees are also doing a lot of work
[45:29]
and their number of hearings went up uh
[45:31]
since last year uh to help deal with
[45:34]
those docket issues.
[45:38]
Our friend of the court continues to be
[45:39]
one of the highest performing in the
[45:41]
state and certainly one of the highest
[45:42]
performing in large counties. Uh we are
[45:45]
very proud to try to maximize every
[45:48]
dollar we can get reimbursed from
[45:50]
various grants and programs so that the
[45:53]
friend of the court can operate as
[45:55]
efficiently as possible for the citizens
[45:57]
of Ottawa County. And we do have a
[45:59]
couple of friend of the court employees
[46:01]
here today that I want to recognize.
[46:02]
They took time off so that they could
[46:04]
attend this meeting. So if you just
[46:06]
wave, we're very proud of all of our
[46:08]
friend of the court employees, but those
[46:10]
two are here today. And there we had a
[46:14]
50 a 5.7 increase in the number of cases
[46:16]
in front of the front of the court this
[46:18]
year. So we've also kind of embarked on
[46:21]
this GEMS program which is gain
[46:23]
employment maintain support. So this
[46:25]
helps people who are having a hard time
[46:28]
meeting their child support obligations
[46:30]
to get either because they have a lack
[46:33]
of employment or insufficient
[46:36]
employment. So, we work with Michigan
[46:37]
Works to try to get them better paying
[46:40]
jobs, help them get GEDs, help them
[46:43]
navigate any kind of vehicular issues if
[46:46]
they don't have a car to get to jobs or interviews. So, uh this program is
[46:51]
we're just starting out on it, but it's
[46:53]
so far it's been a great aspect of our
[46:56]
family division and are the far front of
[46:58]
the court. So, we look forward to
[47:00]
continuing that.
[47:04]
Juvenile court services is one of our
[47:06]
largest sections. So, uh out of our 150
[47:09]
court employees, most of them are in
[47:11]
juvenile court services and that is to
[47:14]
provide probation
[47:16]
um for juvenile delinquents. We also do
[47:19]
a lot of work for neglect abuse cases
[47:21]
and we have our juvenile detention
[47:23]
center here in Ottawa County. Uh our
[47:26]
RISE treatment program is in the
[47:28]
juvenile detention center. It's trying
[47:30]
to help reduce recidivism and to help
[47:34]
juveniles learn better ways to cope as
[47:37]
well as working with their families. Uh
[47:39]
we have 39 contracts or 39 contracts
[47:42]
with other counties where they will send
[47:45]
their juvenile delinquents to us for
[47:47]
participation in that program and they
[47:50]
obviously pay for that privilege. But
[47:52]
that program is well recognized
[47:54]
throughout the state. We're very proud
[47:56]
of it.
[47:57]
We had 296 youth in our detention center
[48:01]
over last year. That was obviously not
[48:03]
at all all at one time because we've
[48:04]
only got 40 beds. Uh but that was over
[48:07]
the the last year. The average length of
[48:09]
the their stay was 24 days. We don't
[48:12]
want to use the juvenile detention
[48:14]
center as a long-term kind of facility.
[48:17]
That's really not indicated well for
[48:19]
juveniles. uh we try to keep them there
[48:22]
and to try to get a reset basically
[48:25]
before returning them to their families.
[48:28]
And finally, our smallest division is
[48:30]
our probate court. They're small but
[48:32]
mighty. We've only got seven employees
[48:35]
other than the judge and I in probate
[48:37]
court, and they've been dealing with a
[48:38]
lot. Uh our case loads are very
[48:41]
challenging for the probate court. These
[48:43]
are mental health cases uh and cases
[48:47]
involving obviously deaths of
[48:48]
individuals and children needing
[48:51]
guardians or adults needing guardians or
[48:53]
conservators. So they do a lot of very
[48:56]
important work. This is kind of really a human focused court because it's
[49:02]
dealing with people who are in severe
[49:04]
need. So they're working hard. Um, but
[49:07]
there's unfortunately a lot of work to
[49:09]
do and we may be coming to you with a uh
[49:12]
request for a new employee for the
[49:14]
probate court to help us out with that.
[49:17]
So, that is the end of my presentation,
[49:20]
but I would be remiss if I did not say
[49:23]
that although we are the judicial branch
[49:25]
and we do our jobs to the best of the
[49:27]
ability our abilities, we cannot do that
[49:30]
without the support of the county. Uh we
[49:32]
obviously work very closely with the
[49:34]
clerk register of deeds and the
[49:36]
sheriff's office, the prosecutor and the
[49:38]
public defender. Um but we also work
[49:40]
very closely with HR, facilities, fiscal
[49:42]
services, it and many other county
[49:45]
departments. And of course, we've always
[49:47]
enjoyed the support and appreciated the
[49:49]
support of this board of commissioners
[49:50]
and of county administration. So thank
[49:52]
you very much for your support and we'd
[49:55]
happy to answer any questions you may
[49:57]
have.
[49:58]
>> Thank you, Susan. And uh thank you Judge
[50:00]
Van Hollsburg for uh joining her today.
[50:02]
Um just let us know what support you
[50:04]
need. We will do our best to get it to
[50:05]
you. Yeah. Thank you. And we will uh
[50:08]
reach out with questions by email or
[50:09]
phone.
[50:10]
>> All right. Thanks.
[50:11]
>> Thank you.
[50:13]
>> All right. And now on to item F, the
[50:15]
equalization
[50:17]
uh department's 2025 annual report.
[50:22]
We welcome Brian Busker.
[50:27]
Morning commissioners.
[50:32]
I'd like to say this is moment you've
[50:35]
all been waiting for. So let's get
[50:37]
started.
[50:38]
>> All right. I'm pleased to present the
[50:39]
2025
[50:41]
uh equalization annual report. Um
[50:44]
equalization is very cyclical in nature.
[50:46]
So a lot of this is very similar to what
[50:48]
it's been every other year. I'll try and
[50:50]
highlight uh particular parts that that
[50:52]
have deviated. But uh the equalization
[50:55]
department uh moving to the next slide
[50:58]
delay
[51:08]
there we go may maybe yeah um the
[51:11]
equalization department has uh I'll just
[51:13]
say five primary functions four of which
[51:16]
are statutory meaning this is required
[51:18]
by the constitution that we do these
[51:19]
functions one of which is contra cont
[51:22]
contractual and that is one the
[51:23]
assessing function uh that I'll be
[51:26]
speaking about more later. Uh the first
[51:28]
uh function of the equalization
[51:30]
department is our our namesake
[51:32]
equalization itself. Uh equalization
[51:35]
really is a a process of studying the
[51:38]
market for purposes of establishing
[51:41]
assessed values. So that that's what
[51:43]
equalization does. Uh we do this uh
[51:46]
through two primary means. Uh number one
[51:48]
is a sales study where we look at sales
[51:50]
that have occurred in the market and we
[51:52]
compare them to the assessed values on
[51:54]
those properties and from that
[51:56]
information we can project what the
[51:58]
value as a whole should be adjusted to.
[52:02]
So uh we're developing ratios and
[52:04]
multipliers that we pass down to our
[52:07]
local uh local unit assessors so that
[52:10]
they can adjust the assessment roles to
[52:13]
reflect 50% of market value. that that's
[52:15]
our that's our primary goal. Um, we have
[52:18]
a a a team of four uh clerk clerks that
[52:22]
handle most of those deeds, but I I
[52:24]
personally handle a lot of the actual
[52:26]
sales studies themselves, but they do an
[52:28]
awful lot of work preparing all of those
[52:30]
sales and and verifying all of that
[52:33]
information. Uh the second way that we
[52:35]
study the real estate market is through
[52:36]
appraisal studies where we have uh three
[52:39]
staff appraisers that study commercial,
[52:41]
industrial and agricultural properties
[52:44]
and then we use those appraised values
[52:46]
as compared to the assessed values in
[52:48]
order to set what the market value is.
[52:54]
Uh on the next slide actually go I think
[52:56]
a couple of slides up.
[53:00]
There we go. uh is just a uh couple of
[53:03]
graphs showing the sales volumes that
[53:06]
we've been looking at over the last
[53:07]
couple years. Uh and you can see for
[53:09]
about the last two or three years, our
[53:11]
sales volume has actually dropped uh by
[53:14]
a pretty good margin. Um and while that
[53:17]
is I'm going to say probably the the
[53:20]
effect of just not having sufficient
[53:21]
inventory in the market to have all of
[53:24]
these sales, the sales, excuse me, the
[53:26]
sales dollar amounts actually continues
[53:29]
to increase. uh which which maybe is is
[53:32]
probably what we would expect, right? As demand increases, supply goes down,
[53:36]
the price is going to go up. And that
[53:38]
certainly is what we're seeing. Um but
[53:42]
the other thing that I want to point out
[53:43]
there is if you look on the the right
[53:45]
hand graph, uh the lower line is still
[53:48]
indicating that we're basing our our
[53:50]
assessed values, what we're telling our assessors to assess value at is
[53:55]
still based off from over 6,000 sales.
[53:58]
So we have a lot of information
[53:59]
supporting the values that we're putting
[54:01]
forward.
[54:05]
Uh the next primary function of uh the
[54:07]
equalization department is aortionment.
[54:10]
Uh aortionment is a process that we
[54:12]
handle every well we handle it
[54:14]
throughout the year but you guys will
[54:16]
actually see it in the fall uh typically
[54:18]
in the month of October and uh in 2025
[54:22]
when the the year we're looking at um I
[54:25]
presented the equalization report excuse
[54:26]
me the aortionment report uh in October
[54:29]
and for the first time in many many
[54:31]
years we did not have to amend that
[54:33]
report as the result of um a November
[54:38]
ballot measure that changed the millage
[54:40]
rates on the winter levies. Uh that is quite unusual. One of the things
[54:45]
that I'm going to point out is one of
[54:47]
the uh the bills that I think that that
[54:49]
Bob Dere had mentioned. Uh one of the
[54:52]
bills is to put all ballot or excuse me
[54:54]
all milligereated ballot questions on
[54:56]
the November ballot. Uh which which
[54:59]
certainly we can we can implement.
[55:01]
However, that's also going to mean that
[55:03]
almost certainly we're going to have to
[55:05]
amend our aortionment report every year.
[55:07]
So not not we can work through it but
[55:10]
just letting you know that's something
[55:11]
that we we would have to do. Um yeah the the aortionment function in general
[55:17]
is a lot of uh I'll say auditing and
[55:20]
advising. Uh a lot of local unit clerks
[55:22]
who are responsible for the actual uh
[55:25]
levying of the taxes or putting the uh
[55:28]
the the millage rate uh request forms
[55:30]
together. These are elected positions
[55:33]
that tend to have a little bit higher
[55:34]
turnover. So my office provides a lot of
[55:37]
guidance on making sure those millage
[55:39]
rates are are correct.
[55:42]
Uh the third function is is the uh
[55:45]
property description and mapping
[55:46]
function. Uh and that is one uh where
[55:49]
our our mappers in our department. I'll
[55:52]
just say largely this this function is
[55:54]
maintaining the parcel layer. So if you
[55:57]
go anywhere on the county website and
[55:59]
you look in you can see parcels um on
[56:02]
our GIS maps or something like that.
[56:04]
those layers are maintained by our
[56:06]
mappers. One additional function that I
[56:09]
would like to highlight is that uh these
[56:11]
guys are really good at reading legal
[56:14]
descriptions and most people are really
[56:17]
bad at it. So these guys provide a an
[56:19]
excellent resource. Uh especially I'll
[56:22]
say to title offices. Uh, a lot of
[56:25]
attorneys seem to struggle with u, not
[56:27]
all attorneys, but a lot of attorneys
[56:29]
seem to struggle with um, legal
[56:31]
descriptions and these guys are just an
[56:33]
excellent resource and it's kind of one
[56:35]
of those behindthe-scenes uh, functions
[56:37]
of government that if they weren't
[56:39]
there, you would know about it, right?
[56:41]
And they they just do a lot of work to
[56:43]
keep our legal descriptions, tax
[56:45]
descriptions um, up to date and
[56:47]
accurate. So, um, one of the things that
[56:50]
I want to mention on the next slide,
[56:52]
thank you. um is I had mentioned last
[56:54]
year that 2024 had a little drop in the
[56:58]
amount of splits that that our mappers
[57:01]
were processing and you can see that on
[57:02]
that grid there. Um one of the things
[57:05]
that that I can't really explain why it
[57:08]
is but I can just say that it is and
[57:10]
that is whenever we have an election
[57:12]
year we always see a drop in the amount
[57:14]
of splits coming into the county. Um,
[57:18]
why that's related, I can't necessarily
[57:20]
say, but like I say, you can see it in
[57:21]
the numbers. Election year seems to I'll
[57:24]
just say it seems to make people nervous
[57:25]
and they're just not quite as quick to split or combine or or whatever their property uh their property.
[57:37]
Uh, one of the other functions that we
[57:38]
provide is local unit assistance and
[57:40]
this too is largely I'll say advisory
[57:43]
and education in nature. Um, we provide
[57:46]
a lot of problem solving. Uh, local unit
[57:49]
assessors, they'll encounter, uh, I I'll
[57:52]
just say challenges as they as they go
[57:54]
through their job. And quite often we
[57:56]
work with the, uh, local unit assessors
[57:58]
to develop a plan, look at look at the law and say this is how we apply the law to make
[58:05]
sure that our taxpayers are are um,
[58:08]
appropriately served. Um we also provide
[58:11]
a lot of education and this year we
[58:13]
started providing uh board of review uh
[58:16]
education. So we have local unit boards
[58:18]
of review that that uh um need to
[58:22]
receive education every other year and
[58:24]
so we provide that education for them.
[58:26]
Uh the class really went well. It was
[58:28]
wellreceived and well attended. So that
[58:30]
was that was a good class. In addition
[58:32]
to that, uh Josh uh my deputy, uh does a
[58:35]
lot of education uh for local realtors,
[58:38]
just trying to explain the property tax
[58:40]
process, uh specifically in in regards
[58:43]
to how uncappings work and letting them
[58:45]
know um letting realtors know how to let
[58:49]
their their their customers know um how the taxes are going to be affected
[58:54]
on those properties. So, we we try and
[58:56]
get involved in that. just trying to uh
[58:58]
I'll just say raise awareness to how how
[59:00]
property taxes work. Um in addition to
[59:03]
that, we do um we do provide education
[59:08]
uh at at the state level and various
[59:09]
other places as well. Um I taught a
[59:12]
class last week on agricultural
[59:14]
assessment administration just trying to
[59:17]
you might say overall help the
[59:18]
profession uh do better. So that that is
[59:21]
a function that we provide as well.
[59:24]
And our last function uh is the
[59:26]
assessing function which is is
[59:28]
contractual. It is not statutory. Uh
[59:30]
this is a function that Ottawa County
[59:33]
decided in 2011 to offer as a service to
[59:36]
our to our local units. And to date we
[59:39]
have seven local units that have taken
[59:41]
us up on this. Um you can see the list
[59:44]
on the on the left there. Two of those
[59:46]
are fairly new. I think we just picked
[59:48]
those up a couple of years ago. Uh and
[59:50]
that is Georgetown and Pulton Township.
[59:53]
Both of those are going extremely well.
[59:55]
Uh we have some really good division
[59:57]
managers that are handling those and I I
[59:59]
always try and touch base with the uh
[1:00:01]
the local unit supervisor or manager
[1:00:03]
just to make sure they're happy with our
[1:00:05]
service and and just rave reviews by uh
[1:00:08]
by them. Uh in 2025, we renewed five of
[1:00:12]
those contracts. Um those are a
[1:00:15]
three-year contract and we renewed uh
[1:00:17]
five of those seven last year. Uh the
[1:00:20]
reason we only did five is because the
[1:00:22]
Georgetown and Pulton, the relatively
[1:00:24]
new ones, uh those we did a four-year
[1:00:26]
contract. So in 2020, I believe it's
[1:00:29]
2028, all seven of them, seven of them
[1:00:32]
will be up for renewal. So
[1:00:37]
um as part of providing that assessing
[1:00:40]
uh services, we do a lot of property
[1:00:42]
inspections. Uh the state requires we do
[1:00:44]
a 20% review of all properties in in
[1:00:48]
those jurisdictions. And that's a lot of
[1:00:50]
reviews when you do a lot of units. So,
[1:00:52]
you can see the the number of of reviews
[1:00:54]
that we do there. Uh we've changed uh a
[1:00:57]
little bit of our process just to make
[1:00:59]
sure that we're complying with a recent
[1:01:01]
Supreme Court decision. Uh just to I'll
[1:01:04]
say both to protect our staff and and to
[1:01:07]
protect the taxpayers and make sure that
[1:01:08]
they're they're uh serviced in the best
[1:01:11]
way possible.
[1:01:14]
Um then the next slide is the ratios and
[1:01:16]
multipliers which really goes back to
[1:01:18]
our equalization function. After
[1:01:20]
studying the market, we put all of this
[1:01:22]
information together and this grid is
[1:01:25]
the result of our of our studies. This grid goes to our local unit
[1:01:30]
assessors to tell them how much of an
[1:01:32]
increase or in this case this year uh
[1:01:35]
some of the units or some of the classes
[1:01:37]
actually had decreases.
[1:01:39]
um the uh industrial class, we had a
[1:01:42]
couple of them that had above 50 ratios,
[1:01:46]
which means they actually needed to
[1:01:48]
lower their values in the industrial
[1:01:50]
class this year. Uh the the grid that
[1:01:53]
you're seeing there is the grid that
[1:01:55]
we're used to put we developed them in
[1:01:58]
2025 for the 2026 ratios. So the values
[1:02:02]
that you you guys will be voting on uh
[1:02:04]
in five 10 minutes here are actually
[1:02:07]
developed right from these ratios and
[1:02:09]
multipliers. We pass this on to the
[1:02:11]
assessors. They change the values to
[1:02:14]
come in line with these with these
[1:02:16]
ratios and multipliers. And if they do,
[1:02:19]
we recommend to you guys that we
[1:02:20]
equalize as assessed. So um
[1:02:25]
one one of the things that I want to
[1:02:26]
point out here is that everything sorry
[1:02:28]
if we could go back one everything on
[1:02:30]
that grid pertains to assessed value but
[1:02:33]
we don't pay taxes based on assessed
[1:02:35]
value. We pay taxes based on taxable
[1:02:37]
value and in 2025 excuse me for 2025 for
[1:02:42]
2026 the taxable value increase is 20
[1:02:45]
2.1 excuse me 2.7%. So even if the
[1:02:49]
values were going up, you know, 6 8 10%
[1:02:52]
whatever it was, the taxable value only
[1:02:55]
increases by the the 2.7%.
[1:02:58]
Um in residential, which is of course
[1:03:00]
what pertains to most of us here,
[1:03:02]
residential in um 2026 went up 6.1%.
[1:03:08]
Uh and while that is still a healthy
[1:03:10]
increase, that's actually down a good
[1:03:12]
amount from our last last couple years.
[1:03:14]
In 2025, we had a 7.7%
[1:03:18]
increase in residential and in 2024, we
[1:03:21]
had a 13% increase. So, uh 6% is still a
[1:03:25]
good increase. Um, but I I one of the
[1:03:29]
other things I'll I'll mention, I don't
[1:03:30]
know if this is good or bad, but um this
[1:03:33]
also is influenced by election years,
[1:03:35]
which means the reason it's down isn't
[1:03:38]
because the market is slowing, but
[1:03:40]
because well, or maybe the market is
[1:03:42]
slowing, but it was slowing because of
[1:03:44]
an election year, which means next
[1:03:46]
year's values are going to be higher.
[1:03:49]
So, I'm going to say kind of kind of
[1:03:51]
bank on that one. Um,
[1:03:56]
Uh now the the awards one. Uh one of the
[1:04:00]
things that I want to point out uh we
[1:04:01]
have an excellent staff and I just want
[1:04:03]
to point out some of the things that our
[1:04:05]
staff have been up to. Uh Chris Vaness
[1:04:08]
and uh Sean Canol uh both received their
[1:04:10]
certified assessing officer
[1:04:12]
certification. This is a year-long
[1:04:14]
program and there's a lot of work that
[1:04:16]
goes into it. So I want to congratulate
[1:04:18]
them on on receiving that certification.
[1:04:20]
Uh Jillian Vanvel, she's one of our
[1:04:23]
part-time staff. uh she attained her
[1:04:25]
Michigan certified assessing technician
[1:04:27]
certification. Uh that is a uh not quite
[1:04:31]
as extensive of a program that's more of
[1:04:33]
an entry level certification, but still want to congratulate her for
[1:04:37]
getting that. Uh the other thing I want
[1:04:39]
to highlight uh the deputy director Josh
[1:04:42]
Morgan. Uh he received the presidential
[1:04:44]
citation award from IAAO for his work on
[1:04:47]
the experience credit for mass appraisal
[1:04:49]
task force which I think is probably the worst possible name you could give
[1:04:54]
to an award. Um but it is a really high
[1:04:57]
award. So I want to recognize him for
[1:05:00]
that. He put a lot of work on that
[1:05:01]
committee. Um and I I'll just say just for a brief summary uh it it's
[1:05:06]
working with IAO and all of the states
[1:05:09]
around the nation uh to accept uh
[1:05:13]
assessor certification
[1:05:15]
um exed hours for appraisal lensure. So
[1:05:20]
uh in the past this has been a problem
[1:05:22]
and him and his task force have worked
[1:05:24]
um a lot of hours on making that making
[1:05:26]
that so. So congratulations to him. Uh,
[1:05:29]
and then I won the or I I guess I would
[1:05:32]
say recognized for my service on the uh
[1:05:34]
the standards committee. I received a
[1:05:37]
presidential award on that one. Again,
[1:05:39]
um I serve as chair on on the MEED
[1:05:42]
standards committee. I've served on that
[1:05:44]
for a number of years now. Uh it really
[1:05:46]
is a good committee to serve on for
[1:05:48]
influencing uh property tax
[1:05:51]
administration. So, I'm happy to serve
[1:05:53]
on that committee. Um is in terms of
[1:05:55]
challenges for our department. Um I'll
[1:05:58]
say our assessing division challenges uh
[1:06:01]
pretty much remains the same. Um our our
[1:06:04]
dayto-day they do really good uh really
[1:06:07]
good work. Uh the challenges for our
[1:06:09]
department though is tax tribunal
[1:06:11]
appeals. Uh they just take up a lot of
[1:06:13]
our time and resources. Uh I don't have
[1:06:16]
a solution. Right. The the appeals come
[1:06:18]
in and and and much like um my
[1:06:21]
predecessor speaking, right? those
[1:06:22]
appeals just take an awful lot of time.
[1:06:25]
Um so so that that certainly is a
[1:06:27]
challenge for us. The the difficulty of
[1:06:30]
course is that people once they reach
[1:06:32]
the tax tribunal level uh tend not to
[1:06:35]
appeal their value. They're appealing
[1:06:37]
their tax bill. Right? So they don't
[1:06:39]
come in and say my value is wrong which
[1:06:42]
is what they're supposed to appeal.
[1:06:44]
They're coming in saying I pay $3,000 a
[1:06:47]
year in taxes but I only want to pay
[1:06:49]
2,000. How do we work backwards to get
[1:06:52]
down to that $2,000 level? Right? It's
[1:06:55]
just a challenge uh because we of course
[1:06:58]
can't appeal that bill. We work on
[1:07:00]
value. So that's that certainly is a
[1:07:02]
challenge for us. On the equalization
[1:07:04]
side, uh one of the challenges uh as uh
[1:07:07]
Bob Dice mentioned, there are a lot of
[1:07:10]
uh bills put forward right now uh both
[1:07:12]
by the Republicans and the Democrats.
[1:07:14]
And uh we like to I'll say stay on top
[1:07:18]
of those. We don't really take positions
[1:07:21]
on it. At least as equalization
[1:07:22]
director, I I'm an apolitical position.
[1:07:25]
So I don't really take a a position on
[1:07:27]
it, but I like to speak to those issues
[1:07:29]
to say what is the effects if we
[1:07:32]
implement this? Right? You're intending
[1:07:34]
to accomplish this, but if you do this,
[1:07:37]
does it accomplish that objective? Um,
[1:07:39]
and unfortunately oftent times what
[1:07:42]
seems like a great idea, if you
[1:07:44]
understand the property tax system, it
[1:07:46]
ends up being a really bad idea. So,
[1:07:48]
that's that's just kind of the some of
[1:07:49]
the things that we work through.
[1:07:53]
And that is where I'm going to wrap it
[1:07:55]
up. Uh, thank you very much for for your
[1:07:57]
time. Do you have any questions for me
[1:08:00]
or or if you have questions that you
[1:08:01]
want to wait till later, you're always
[1:08:03]
welcome to email me.
[1:08:04]
>> All right, we will do that, Brian. Thank
[1:08:05]
you very much.
[1:08:06]
>> Excellent. Thank you for your time.
[1:08:07]
>> I will say I do believe you're going to
[1:08:09]
be visiting my house as a part of that
[1:08:10]
assessment.
[1:08:11]
>> Probably. So,
[1:08:12]
>> I think someone is. So, see you then.
[1:08:14]
Coffee. Coffee will be on.
[1:08:16]
>> All right. Um, I think the next two
[1:08:18]
items on our agenda, and Patrick may
[1:08:20]
have to assist me with this, um, just
[1:08:22]
statutoily. Oh, or Ron. Oh, hi Patrick.
[1:08:28]
>> Well, we just have a note here that we
[1:08:29]
need to receive the equalization report,
[1:08:31]
which was just given, and we also need
[1:08:32]
to receive the land bank authority
[1:08:34]
annual report, which are both in your
[1:08:35]
packets. So, thank you, Patrick. You're
[1:08:37]
good. All right, we're going to move on
[1:08:39]
to uh item five here on our agenda. Uh,
[1:08:42]
public comment. Uh if anyone has come
[1:08:45]
prepared to make a comment today, you
[1:08:47]
are most welcome to do so. Please come
[1:08:48]
up to the podium. Uh comments are
[1:08:50]
limited to three minutes and please
[1:08:52]
identify yourself by name and voting
[1:08:55]
jurisdiction.
[1:08:56]
>> Can I interrupt you a minute? Yeah.
[1:08:58]
>> Um just point of clarification just a
[1:09:00]
reminder maybe to those coming to make
[1:09:03]
public comment that if they're wanting
[1:09:04]
to make a comment related to their to
[1:09:07]
parks or CH that there's going to be a
[1:09:10]
hearing set for just those comments.
[1:09:12]
Correct. Thank you, uh, Commissioner.
[1:09:14]
Yes. Um, regarding CH and regarding the
[1:09:17]
parks millillage, if you'd like to wait
[1:09:19]
to give your comments on those two
[1:09:21]
items, there will be another opportunity
[1:09:23]
during the meeting to do so. You are
[1:09:25]
also welcome to comment now if you
[1:09:27]
prefer. All right. Would anyone like to
[1:09:29]
comment today?
[1:09:32]
Welcome. Thank you. Hello. My name is
[1:09:35]
Tom Nebor from Cooperville. I am a
[1:09:37]
health inspector for Ottawa County
[1:09:39]
Department of Public Health as well as
[1:09:41]
chapter chair of ask me local 43501.
[1:09:44]
I'm here to give another perspective on
[1:09:45]
the wage study. Um, obviously I would
[1:09:48]
like you to reconsider preventing the
[1:09:50]
union employees from benefiting from the
[1:09:51]
wage study immediately. You can offer
[1:09:54]
the wage study increases to union
[1:09:56]
employees at any time. The unions will
[1:09:58]
call a vote from our members and they
[1:10:00]
will decide if they approve it or not.
[1:10:01]
This allows for a democratic workplace
[1:10:03]
and gives the wage study extra validity
[1:10:05]
if it is passed. Not providing this
[1:10:07]
option is the same tactic used by Ottawa
[1:10:10]
count or Ottawa impact when they ran the
[1:10:12]
board previously in order to gain
[1:10:14]
leverage in negotiations. That said,
[1:10:16]
there are major flaws with the wage
[1:10:18]
study. First and most obvious, most
[1:10:21]
grade two increases
[1:10:24]
more most grade increases of two or more
[1:10:26]
managerial positions, admin assistance,
[1:10:28]
fiscal, and treasurer. These services
[1:10:30]
are clearly favored in the wage study as
[1:10:32]
any insignificant grade increase was the
[1:10:35]
best outcome for any county employee.
[1:10:37]
I'm sure they are all welld deserved,
[1:10:39]
but the distribution of these shows
[1:10:41]
clear favoritism. Second, the steep wage
[1:10:44]
increase or the step wage increases only
[1:10:46]
apply after four years and before that
[1:10:48]
employees are actually paid less. This
[1:10:50]
essentially red circles new employees to
[1:10:52]
benefit the long-term employees. And a
[1:10:55]
union group that would accept this as
[1:10:56]
part of a wage study is hurting itself.
[1:10:59]
Public sector unions live and die by
[1:11:01]
being able to show new hires that union
[1:11:02]
membership is good for everyone. If you
[1:11:05]
wish to reward longevity, that is
[1:11:07]
admirable, but doing so at the expense
[1:11:09]
of new hires across the entirety of the
[1:11:11]
county um is not a good idea. Lastly,
[1:11:14]
there is an existing issue that this
[1:11:16]
wage study does not address. There is a
[1:11:18]
massive wage gap between lower earners
[1:11:20]
and higher earners at the health
[1:11:22]
department. Simply put, and I'm not
[1:11:24]
making this up, um there are no union
[1:11:27]
employees in grades six or seven um of
[1:11:30]
the grades on the wage or wage
[1:11:32]
increases. Um this creates unnecessary
[1:11:35]
friction between the lower paid and
[1:11:36]
higher paid employees. This mixed with
[1:11:38]
the fact that new employees are having
[1:11:40]
their wages lowered instead of raised
[1:11:42]
creates a vicious cycle that is a clear
[1:11:44]
attack at the union's ability to recruit
[1:11:46]
and bargain. This wage study asked the
[1:11:48]
union to sell out the young and the new
[1:11:50]
for the experienced and the secure. This
[1:11:53]
is exactly what the health department
[1:11:55]
well this is exactly what we at the
[1:11:56]
health department union have come to
[1:11:58]
expect from the county ever since Ottawa
[1:12:00]
Impact took over. However, I don't
[1:12:03]
necessarily believe this board is the
[1:12:05]
same as the previous negotiations this
[1:12:07]
year were much smoother and the than the
[1:12:08]
previous one and your rhetoric has
[1:12:10]
changed significantly. If this board of
[1:12:12]
commissioners is truly interested in the
[1:12:14]
quality of life of union employees, then
[1:12:16]
this board will listen to them. And
[1:12:18]
since it is illegal for the county to
[1:12:20]
directly bargain with individual
[1:12:22]
employees covered by the CBA, according
[1:12:24]
to the National Labor Relations Board,
[1:12:27]
this includes the grade increases. Allow
[1:12:29]
me to give you local 435's position.
[1:12:32]
Every position at the health department
[1:12:33]
that is grade 5 or below should get a
[1:12:35]
two grade increase. They are vastly
[1:12:37]
underpaid, desperately needed. No Ottawa
[1:12:40]
County Department of uh public health
[1:12:42]
employee would jump any other because
[1:12:45]
again there are no Union Public Health
[1:12:47]
employees at grade six or seven.
[1:12:49]
>> All right, Mr. Never time has expired,
[1:12:51]
but thank you.
[1:12:52]
>> I would like to request to finish. I got
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like 10 seconds more.
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>> Go for it.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Be quick, please.
[1:12:57]
>> Um if you're thinking that this was out
[1:12:59]
of line to do in public, I agree. That
[1:13:01]
is why I made a special meeting request
[1:13:02]
on April 16, but HR only gave us dates
[1:13:05]
after this wage study. I did not need to
[1:13:08]
do this. It's tulip time. We are very
[1:13:10]
busy on the food team right now. We
[1:13:12]
could have let um things play out and
[1:13:15]
then reacted. Instead, we're trying to
[1:13:17]
be proactive. I believe communication
[1:13:19]
leads to understanding and I think this
[1:13:20]
board having this information will
[1:13:22]
better allow you to make a decision on
[1:13:24]
the wage study.
[1:13:25]
>> Thank you, sir.
[1:13:25]
>> Thank you for your time.
[1:13:26]
>> Thank you.
[1:13:27]
>> All right. Would anyone else care to
[1:13:29]
approach? Um and I apologize. Usually
[1:13:31]
when the threeminut alarm goes off,
[1:13:33]
there's a little music that goes with
[1:13:34]
it. So, Mr. Neore didn't get the benefit
[1:13:36]
of that. Um,
[1:13:39]
right. All right. Thank you, sir. If
[1:13:41]
you'd state your name and uh uh
[1:13:42]
jurisdiction for voting or reason.
[1:13:44]
>> Yeah. U My name is Ken Skur and I'm an
[1:13:46]
investigator with the Ottawa County
[1:13:47]
Friend of the Court, vice president of
[1:13:48]
the Friend of the Court Employees
[1:13:50]
Association, also known as our union. Um
[1:13:52]
I've worked for the county since 2012. I
[1:13:54]
wanted to raise two issues that I
[1:13:56]
believe are in existence with the 2025
[1:13:58]
wage study and how it's about to be
[1:14:00]
rolled out. I apologize for bringing
[1:14:02]
these issues to you at the last minute,
[1:14:04]
but the union employees did not know how
[1:14:06]
that was going to be implemented until
[1:14:08]
it was in committee two weeks ago. In
[1:14:10]
2020, I'll also say I was last in this
[1:14:13]
room. An anonymous individual that I had
[1:14:15]
taken support action against nominated
[1:14:17]
me to receive the quarterly customer
[1:14:19]
service award. They stated that I had
[1:14:21]
taken the time to communicate with them
[1:14:23]
clearly, treated them with respect, and
[1:14:24]
left them feeling like an equal, not
[1:14:26]
just a case file or number. But the
[1:14:28]
truth is that is how most of my office
[1:14:30]
works and tries to treat the public
[1:14:31]
every day drawing on the experience and
[1:14:33]
of our collective years of service to
[1:14:35]
serve the public equally and with
[1:14:37]
transparency. The issue we find with
[1:14:39]
proposal one is with the uh proposal of
[1:14:42]
how the wage study is going to be
[1:14:43]
implemented is equality. As it reads,
[1:14:46]
union employees would remain on the
[1:14:48]
outdated wage scale and placement system
[1:14:50]
for an additional eight months or after
[1:14:52]
the next collective bargaining agreement
[1:14:53]
is finished. During this time, union
[1:14:55]
employees will be paid less despite
[1:14:57]
having the same job titles as others in
[1:14:59]
non-UN positions in other departments.
[1:15:02]
Worse, veteran employees who have
[1:15:04]
experience and positions about to
[1:15:06]
receive grade increases will not only
[1:15:08]
not move to the new scale, but they will
[1:15:09]
not be able to move up on their
[1:15:10]
anniversary dates in 2026.
[1:15:13]
This penalizes both union positions and
[1:15:15]
the most experienced employees that we
[1:15:17]
have. We ask the universal wage scale
[1:15:19]
that were developed by Baker Tilly to be
[1:15:21]
made effective on the same date for
[1:15:22]
everyone. We're confident the union
[1:15:24]
would vote to adopt it with a one-page
[1:15:26]
letter of understanding as we've done in
[1:15:27]
the past and this has not been caused to
[1:15:30]
reopening to reopen negotiations early.
[1:15:32]
I ask for equal treatment for all union
[1:15:34]
positions and the same respect for the
[1:15:36]
individuals serving in public in those
[1:15:38]
positions as our non-UN counterparts are
[1:15:40]
going to receive. In the name of
[1:15:42]
transparency, I'd also like to point out
[1:15:44]
that the full wage study has not been
[1:15:47]
released. As an investigator, for
[1:15:48]
example, I don't know what positions I
[1:15:50]
was compared to in other counties. I
[1:15:52]
don't know what their job descriptions
[1:15:53]
are, and I don't know what my how my job
[1:15:55]
duties were scored in this wage study.
[1:15:57]
Providing access to the full study has
[1:15:59]
historically allowed employees to better
[1:16:00]
understand the process, their grading,
[1:16:03]
and to clarify job descriptions when
[1:16:04]
necessary. Failing to provide the full
[1:16:07]
report creates another transparency
[1:16:08]
issue that we in the court feel. We're
[1:16:10]
familiar with creating accurate findings
[1:16:12]
and calculations that are made known to
[1:16:13]
affected that are made known to affected
[1:16:15]
case participants and ask for equal
[1:16:17]
treatment in this respect with the wage
[1:16:19]
study that's about to affect us. In
[1:16:21]
closing, I thank everyone for their
[1:16:22]
participation in the study. It's been a
[1:16:24]
process. It's continued through several
[1:16:26]
leadership changes. We simply ask for
[1:16:28]
the establishment of a universal county
[1:16:30]
wage scale rather than maintaining two
[1:16:32]
separate systems for the next eight
[1:16:34]
months and for the opportunity to see
[1:16:36]
our grades in the full report. Thank
[1:16:38]
you. Thank you, Ken. It's almost as if
[1:16:40]
you timed that.
[1:16:42]
Bravo.
[1:16:45]
» Good morning, uh, Greg Coyle, uh, Spring
[1:16:49]
Lake, uh, resident and CEO of the Tri
[1:16:52]
Cities Family YMCA. Uh, thank you, Mr.
[1:16:55]
Chairman, and commissioners for an
[1:16:57]
opportunity to speak a bit early on the
[1:16:59]
CH um, millillage. I wanted to um
[1:17:04]
identify the wise support and
[1:17:07]
specifically I'm speaking on behalf of
[1:17:09]
our board of directors um to support the
[1:17:12]
millillage uh for CH as a recent uh
[1:17:16]
millillage uh mental health mill
[1:17:18]
provider. We have seen firsthand the
[1:17:21]
impact of the mental health millage in
[1:17:24]
our county and and with our residents.
[1:17:27]
We are in support of the renewal at its
[1:17:30]
uh current rate for the additional 10
[1:17:32]
years because we think the impact to
[1:17:34]
county residents is significant. As a
[1:17:37]
social wck provider, the impact between
[1:17:41]
um physical, social, and emotional
[1:17:44]
well-being. Um being able to utilize
[1:17:48]
facilities such as the Y. It has
[1:17:50]
literature backed up, evidence-based
[1:17:52]
backup that's off the charts. um
[1:17:56]
bringing in social well-being combats
[1:17:59]
loneliness amongst other illnesses that
[1:18:01]
are wide rampant in our communities
[1:18:03]
today. The Y is grateful to have been a
[1:18:07]
provider over this past year and looks
[1:18:08]
forward to being able to serve Ottawa
[1:18:10]
County residents in the future. Thank
[1:18:12]
you.
[1:18:13]
>> Thank you, Mr. Coyle. Is there anyone
[1:18:16]
else? Come on up.
[1:18:18]
Oh,
[1:18:20]
>> hi, my name is Jenny White and I'm a
[1:18:22]
Holland resident. I serve as the
[1:18:24]
executive director of Bellow Kids, a
[1:18:26]
nonprofit organization here in Ottawa
[1:18:28]
County focused on getting kids outside
[1:18:30]
and on bikes. My husband and I also run
[1:18:33]
a small business here in Ottawa County.
[1:18:35]
So, we care deeply about this community,
[1:18:37]
not just through our work, but also as
[1:18:39]
small business owners and as parents.
[1:18:42]
I'm here today to express my strong
[1:18:44]
support of the Ottawa County parks and
[1:18:46]
the open space mill. At Kids, we work
[1:18:49]
with thousands of children each year
[1:18:51]
across Ottawa County. In 2025 alone, our
[1:18:54]
60 coaches biked with more than 4,000
[1:18:57]
kids through partnerships with school
[1:18:59]
districts like Grand Haven Public
[1:19:00]
Schools, Holland Public Schools, West
[1:19:02]
Ottawa, and Zealand. But our programs
[1:19:05]
don't exist in a vacuum. They depend on
[1:19:07]
safe, accessible, and well-maintained
[1:19:10]
public spaces. Ottawa County parks are
[1:19:13]
that foundation.
[1:19:15]
They are where children learn to ride
[1:19:17]
bikes, where students build confidence
[1:19:19]
beyond the classroom, and where families
[1:19:22]
connect outside and away from screens.
[1:19:25]
For many kids we serve, especially those
[1:19:27]
without easy access to outdoor
[1:19:29]
recreation, these parks aren't just nice
[1:19:32]
to have, they are essential. We
[1:19:35]
absolutely love the rides that we get to
[1:19:36]
do with Ottawa County Juvenile Court
[1:19:38]
kids. Just last week, I was in
[1:19:41]
Bentonville, Arkansas with a group of
[1:19:42]
West Michigan leaders studying the
[1:19:44]
impact of trails, parks, and bike
[1:19:47]
infrastructure. What we saw was
[1:19:49]
powerful. Their investment was not only
[1:19:51]
improved health and community
[1:19:53]
connection. It also has driven economic
[1:19:56]
growth, supporting small businesses,
[1:19:58]
attracting visitors, and creating a
[1:20:01]
vibrant place people want to live and to
[1:20:03]
work. That same opportunity exists here.
[1:20:07]
parks strengthen our community, support
[1:20:09]
local businesses, and help make Ottawa
[1:20:11]
County a place where families and
[1:20:13]
organizations like ours can thrive. As
[1:20:16]
you consider the millillage renewal and
[1:20:18]
proposed increase, I encourage you to
[1:20:20]
think about the long-term impact.
[1:20:22]
Investing in parks is investing in
[1:20:25]
people. It's investing in our kids, and
[1:20:28]
it's investing in the future of Ottawa
[1:20:30]
County. Thank you for your time and your
[1:20:32]
commitment to this community.
[1:20:35]
>> Thank you, Miss White.
[1:20:37]
Is there anyone else? Come on up.
[1:20:46]
» Hi, my name is Becca Laren. I'm live in
[1:20:50]
Grand Haven and I go to the Y for
[1:20:56]
>> team
[1:20:56]
>> the social programm.
[1:21:01]
» That's a mouthful.
[1:21:03]
>> And why are you here today?
[1:21:05]
I am here to get
[1:21:08]
voted that I can keep going to the Y and
[1:21:12]
stuff
[1:21:14]
that membership. She has been able to um
[1:21:18]
go to the Y. She can't afford it and she
[1:21:20]
lives at Gracious Grounds and so she got
[1:21:22]
a flyer and went and she has really come
[1:21:26]
I'm her mother Trisha and she has really
[1:21:29]
come out of her shell the independence.
[1:21:32]
She's never wanted to do anything alone.
[1:21:34]
And so I know that this has been very
[1:21:36]
important and that you're considering
[1:21:37]
this on the ballot, but it really is
[1:21:39]
important. This me this membership ends
[1:21:42]
in September. And if it could get on
[1:21:44]
that ballot in August instead of
[1:21:46]
November, she has lost 17 18 pounds. Her
[1:21:50]
last doctor's appointment, what
[1:21:51]
happened?
[1:21:52]
>> I'm off my bud push for medicine.
[1:21:55]
>> She's enjoyed a couple friends to join
[1:21:58]
her as well. So, her independence, her
[1:21:59]
socialization and everything has just
[1:22:01]
been and then I'm sorry. Um, the biggest
[1:22:05]
thing is that she has been so much more
[1:22:09]
social and it's really become her second
[1:22:11]
home. She spends more time there than
[1:22:13]
our house or at work and then at home in
[1:22:16]
her apartment. So, I just feel like if
[1:22:19]
that membership ends September 30th, I
[1:22:22]
believe, and it doesn't get on that
[1:22:23]
ballot till November, she's going to
[1:22:25]
lose three and four months of routine
[1:22:28]
and endurance. And when you started
[1:22:31]
swimming, what did you how many laps did
[1:22:34]
you do?
[1:22:35]
>> 15.
[1:22:36]
>> How many are you doing now?
[1:22:39]
>> 50 or 60. So if we lose three months for
[1:22:43]
these individuals, they're going to lose
[1:22:45]
a lot of social and a lot of endurance
[1:22:47]
that they've inquired. And I just feel
[1:22:49]
like if there's any way that can get on
[1:22:50]
that August ballot, I think it's just
[1:22:53]
going to be monumental for her and so
[1:22:55]
many others. Thank you for listening.
[1:22:58]
>> Thank you, Becca. And thank you, Becca's
[1:23:00]
mom.
[1:23:05]
» Good morning. Um I'm very happy to be
[1:23:07]
here. Miss Luakowski, executive director
[1:23:10]
of Mosaic Counseling and resident of
[1:23:12]
Spring Lake. I apologize I'm not able to
[1:23:14]
stay for the second public comment. Um,
[1:23:17]
I would like to express to you my
[1:23:19]
support for putting the mental health u
[1:23:21]
millage renewal on the August ballot.
[1:23:24]
Um, Mosaic has been um very very uh
[1:23:28]
grateful for receiving funding from the
[1:23:30]
mental health millillage that helps us
[1:23:33]
with providing um professional
[1:23:35]
counseling um for people who are
[1:23:38]
uninsured in our county for a
[1:23:40]
collaboration that we have with the um
[1:23:43]
Tri Cities Family YMCA um also suicide
[1:23:47]
prevention and support groups. So,
[1:23:50]
speaking on behalf now of Mosaic, um we
[1:23:54]
provide accessible, affordable
[1:23:56]
counseling to anyone who lives or works
[1:23:59]
or goes to school or worships in Ottawa
[1:24:01]
County. And that means that um anyone
[1:24:05]
who um you know can't afford counseling
[1:24:09]
is therefore we are there for them. We
[1:24:12]
have a panel now of almost 300
[1:24:14]
therapists who are able to pro provide
[1:24:16]
that support with no wait list.
[1:24:20]
We also provide inschool counseling um
[1:24:23]
that's free with parental consent in
[1:24:26]
Spring Lake and Grand Haven and West
[1:24:28]
Ottawa and Holland and now Sagatuck
[1:24:30]
public schools and also West Michigan
[1:24:32]
Academy of Arts and Academics also free
[1:24:36]
QPR suicide prevention as I mentioned
[1:24:39]
support groups and that collaboration
[1:24:41]
with the YMCA has been really
[1:24:43]
incredible. We've had a therapist
[1:24:45]
embedded there and so they're there um
[1:24:48]
for five hours a week and then also we
[1:24:50]
assist with the summer camp for the uh
[1:24:53]
children who have big emotions during
[1:24:56]
camp and having um professional
[1:24:58]
therapists who are there to assist has
[1:25:00]
been really remarkable.
[1:25:02]
So I'm talking all these words um but
[1:25:05]
they represent people. They represent
[1:25:08]
children and adults and couples and
[1:25:11]
families in our county and really depend
[1:25:14]
on what the mental health millage has
[1:25:16]
been able to do for our county. It's a
[1:25:18]
such a ripple effect and it affects so
[1:25:21]
many other things. So, I appreciate your
[1:25:23]
consideration. It would be wonderful um
[1:25:26]
for this to be on the August ballot and
[1:25:28]
thank you so much.
[1:25:30]
>> Thank you, Sarah.
[1:25:34]
Morning.
[1:25:38]
My name is Elizabeth Brewbaker. I live
[1:25:40]
in Holland Township and I'd like to
[1:25:42]
comment on the proposed two new well
[1:25:44]
permits for the Consumers Energy JH
[1:25:46]
Campbell plant. Coal ash has been found
[1:25:49]
to contain arsenic, lead, and mercury as
[1:25:52]
well as other materials that are known
[1:25:53]
carcinogens and biological disruptors. A
[1:25:57]
quick search for coal plants that have
[1:25:59]
contaminated groundwater will reveal
[1:26:00]
that this is not a theoretical concern.
[1:26:04]
After high levels of toxins were found
[1:26:05]
in some residential wells near the
[1:26:07]
Campbell plant in 2019, Consumers Energy
[1:26:11]
released the following. Safety is
[1:26:13]
consumer energy's top priority. Nothing
[1:26:16]
is more important than protecting our
[1:26:18]
neighbors, employees, customers, and the
[1:26:21]
planet we all cherish. We're working
[1:26:23]
hard to safely handle, store, and
[1:26:25]
dispose of coal combustion residuals
[1:26:29]
commonly known as coal ash.
[1:26:32]
Disposing of leeate from coal ash
[1:26:35]
storage ponds in wells within 2 miles of
[1:26:38]
one of the largest sources of fresh
[1:26:40]
water in the world doesn't seem in line
[1:26:42]
with that statement. Nor does pushing
[1:26:45]
that plan through without a public
[1:26:46]
hearing. It's not as if Michigan doesn't
[1:26:49]
know the danger of toxic levels of
[1:26:51]
dangerous chemicals entering our
[1:26:53]
waterways.
[1:26:55]
Every person in this room knows the
[1:26:57]
value of Lake Michigan, the value of
[1:27:00]
fresh water, the value of recreation,
[1:27:03]
the value of fishing in the lake, and
[1:27:05]
the value of people from all over the
[1:27:07]
world coming to the shores of West
[1:27:09]
Michigan to discover the value of the
[1:27:11]
lake for themselves.
[1:27:13]
More studies must be done before these
[1:27:15]
wells are approved. our water is worth
[1:27:18]
protecting.
[1:27:19]
I ask this board of commissioners to
[1:27:22]
formally request a delay in any permits
[1:27:25]
for these wells and that this board also
[1:27:28]
requests specific studies into the
[1:27:30]
safety of this means of leech disposal.
[1:27:33]
Thank you.
[1:27:35]
>> Thank you, Miss Brewbaker.
[1:27:38]
>> Anyone else? Come on up.
[1:27:42]
>> Hi, my name is Amanda Jonas. I'm in
[1:27:44]
Grand Haven. Um, and I appreciate the
[1:27:46]
opportunity to speak before the um, next
[1:27:49]
public comment. I apologize I have to
[1:27:50]
leave, but I wanted to speak in support
[1:27:52]
of placing the um, community mental
[1:27:54]
health mill on the August 4th ballot um,
[1:27:56]
to continue funding those programs at
[1:27:59]
the same rate. I don't think the
[1:28:00]
importance of funding mental health
[1:28:02]
programs can be overstated um, given so
[1:28:06]
many of the struggles that we're seeing
[1:28:07]
in children, adults, seniors with mental
[1:28:10]
health. Um I have worked as a social
[1:28:12]
worker, clinical social worker for the
[1:28:14]
last 14 years in both community mental
[1:28:16]
health in Moskegan County and also in
[1:28:18]
emergency departments in um hospitals in
[1:28:20]
Ottawa County. Um and I've seen that
[1:28:22]
firsthand. Um as I think the director of
[1:28:24]
Mosaic Counseling said, it it comes down
[1:28:26]
to people. We can cite statistics of
[1:28:29]
increasing um suicide rates. It's the
[1:28:31]
second largest killer of um adolescence
[1:28:34]
in our country, which is pretty
[1:28:35]
shocking. Um, but it comes down to
[1:28:37]
people and a lot of times in the
[1:28:38]
emergency room, the difference between
[1:28:40]
being able to create a a plan for a
[1:28:43]
person to to leave the emergency room
[1:28:45]
versus going to a psychiatric hospital,
[1:28:47]
which is a a huge disruption in their
[1:28:49]
lives, is do they have access to
[1:28:52]
support, outpatient mental health
[1:28:53]
treatment? Do they have access to
[1:28:55]
support people and community connection?
[1:28:58]
um and me community mental health
[1:28:59]
services and programs like the Momentum
[1:29:02]
Center in Grand Haven where I'm a
[1:29:03]
volunteer are providing that connection
[1:29:05]
that people need to reduce loneliness,
[1:29:08]
isolation, the things that really
[1:29:09]
contribute to those deadly conditions.
[1:29:11]
Um so I'm in full support of placing
[1:29:13]
that on the ballot and I appreciate uh
[1:29:16]
the opportunity to to speak here today.
[1:29:19]
>> Thank you very much.
[1:29:28]
My name is Peter Bogart. Allen Township
[1:29:31]
is home for me. It's district 4 where
[1:29:34]
we're representative by Commissioner
[1:29:36]
Bonama. And Commissioner, I want to say
[1:29:38]
thank you to you for the work you do in
[1:29:41]
working for the welfare of Ottawa
[1:29:42]
County.
[1:29:44]
I'm here, as have others before me,
[1:29:47]
asking that you pass a resolution which
[1:29:50]
calls on the Environmental Protection
[1:29:52]
Agency to hold public hearings before
[1:29:55]
making any decision and Consumers
[1:29:57]
Energy's proposal to drill two deep
[1:30:00]
injection wells at the JH Campbell Power
[1:30:03]
Plant. I've done as much reading as I
[1:30:06]
can about issues related to deep well
[1:30:08]
drilling and management. I'm not a
[1:30:10]
geologist or a scientist and unless I miss my guest, neither are any
[1:30:15]
of you.
[1:30:17]
I've been tripping over terminology like
[1:30:19]
toxic plumes, modeling, hazardous, and
[1:30:24]
deep rock formation.
[1:30:26]
I'm willing to trust people who really
[1:30:28]
are experts.
[1:30:30]
My concern is that the public has so far
[1:30:33]
been denied that opportunity.
[1:30:35]
We have yet to hear a comprehensive
[1:30:37]
defense of all the measures necessary to
[1:30:40]
execute this proposal. There are other
[1:30:43]
areas of energy systems management where
[1:30:46]
operators wait for years to get a
[1:30:48]
permit. There may be valid reasons for
[1:30:51]
the formatting of this permitting
[1:30:52]
process, but the perception the
[1:30:55]
perception of haste cannot be avoided.
[1:30:59]
The just trust me, we're experts
[1:31:01]
approach for transparency.
[1:31:04]
Real experts can explain their work.
[1:31:07]
Real experts value the community as much
[1:31:09]
as the project, and they allow time to
[1:31:12]
address community concerns.
[1:31:14]
Failing to do so damages public trust.
[1:31:19]
I try to avoid TV news these days
[1:31:21]
because I'm tired of the polls which
[1:31:23]
constantly tell me that people are
[1:31:25]
losing their trust in our government. I
[1:31:29]
view this deep well proposal as an
[1:31:30]
opportunity to rebuild some of that
[1:31:33]
trust.
[1:31:34]
You as a county commission are in a far
[1:31:37]
better position than any one of us
[1:31:40]
individually to ask the EPA for a better
[1:31:43]
commitment to transparency.
[1:31:46]
I'm asking that you petition the EBA
[1:31:48]
asking for scheduled public hearings
[1:31:51]
before rendering any decision on this
[1:31:54]
application from Consumers Energy. Thank
[1:31:57]
you.
[1:31:58]
>> Thank you, Mr. Bogart.
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There anyone else?
[1:32:10]
Uh, for fear of being redundant, um, I'm
[1:32:14]
also here to, um, make the same plea as
[1:32:18]
Mr. Bogart. I'm Peter Evers and I am a
[1:32:22]
constituent in Mr. Jeritzma's district.
[1:32:25]
Um, and I am asking you to consider
[1:32:29]
passing a resolution calling on the EPA
[1:32:33]
to hold public hearings before approving
[1:32:36]
Consumer Energy's request to drill two
[1:32:39]
deep injection wells at the Campbell
[1:32:41]
Power Plant.
[1:32:43]
Um,
[1:32:45]
Consumers Energy has argued that they
[1:32:47]
will dispose of what they state as
[1:32:50]
non-hazardous waste. And the wells they
[1:32:53]
propose to drill apparently meet the
[1:32:55]
standards of EPA's class one wells,
[1:33:01]
whatever that means. I that's what I
[1:33:03]
read. However, I read also that there
[1:33:07]
are counterarguments
[1:33:09]
being made by hydrogeeological experts
[1:33:11]
who are very familiar with the
[1:33:14]
geological structures here in Michigan
[1:33:17]
who believe that these injections could
[1:33:20]
create pressure underground, possibly
[1:33:22]
creating fractures in a fragile
[1:33:25]
geological structures and that could
[1:33:28]
create pathways for waste material to
[1:33:31]
eventually enter our drinking water.
[1:33:34]
Um there's other uh concerns expressed
[1:33:37]
as well and that's the one I've chosen
[1:33:40]
to um highlight. As our water tables are
[1:33:44]
already lowering in our state and the
[1:33:46]
salinity of our drinking water is on the
[1:33:48]
rise, can we afford to increase the risk
[1:33:52]
of losing access to drinkable water
[1:33:56]
should these wells fail or leak?
[1:33:59]
And what happens when another
[1:34:00]
administration takes over the federal
[1:34:02]
government and rescends the emer energy
[1:34:05]
emergencies,
[1:34:07]
promotes cheaper and cleaner renewable
[1:34:09]
um energy sources when the Campbell
[1:34:12]
Power Plant eventually closes? Uh who
[1:34:16]
will be responsible for monitoring the
[1:34:18]
safety and the maintenance of these
[1:34:20]
wells?
[1:34:22]
As it stands right now, Ottawa County
[1:34:24]
residents are being asked to accept a
[1:34:27]
decision-making process without full
[1:34:30]
opportunity for public input.
[1:34:32]
This is not how decisions of this
[1:34:34]
magnitude should be made. People who
[1:34:38]
live, work, and raise families here
[1:34:41]
deserve to understand the risks, ask
[1:34:44]
questions, and have their concerns
[1:34:46]
formally heard before permits are
[1:34:49]
granted. Public hearings are not a
[1:34:52]
barrier. They are a basic safeguard.
[1:34:56]
They ensure transparency,
[1:34:58]
build trust, and ultimately lead to
[1:35:02]
better and more informed decisions.
[1:35:05]
On April 22nd, the Port Sheldon Township
[1:35:08]
Board did the right thing. They
[1:35:10]
requested the EPA.
[1:35:12]
>> Mr. Evers, your time is up. If you have
[1:35:15]
a moment to wrap it up, go for it.
[1:35:16]
>> Okay. Um, I would just ask you to join
[1:35:20]
what has been passed by the Port Sheldon
[1:35:22]
Township Board and um, send a resolution
[1:35:26]
to the EPA asking for a public hearing.
[1:35:29]
Thank you.
[1:35:30]
>> Thank you, sir.
[1:35:33]
Is there anyone else?
[1:35:39]
» Hi, my name is Kate Armstrong. I am a
[1:35:42]
resident of Grand Heaven Township and an
[1:35:45]
employee of Ottawa County, currently
[1:35:47]
serving as an investigator with the
[1:35:49]
Ottawa County Friend of the Court and
[1:35:51]
president of the Friend of the Court
[1:35:52]
Employees Association. I stand before
[1:35:55]
you today to respectfully express my
[1:35:57]
concerns regarding the proposed
[1:35:59]
implementation of the wage study and ask
[1:36:02]
the board to reconsider the recommended
[1:36:04]
approach. At issue is the proposed delay
[1:36:07]
in applying the updated wage study to
[1:36:10]
union employees until the completion of
[1:36:11]
collective bargaining anticipated to
[1:36:14]
occur this fall and take effect in 2027.
[1:36:18]
In contrast, my non-UN peers are
[1:36:21]
recommended for immediate placement on
[1:36:22]
the updated wage scale. Whether
[1:36:25]
knowingly or unknowingly, this
[1:36:27]
recommendation has created a growing
[1:36:29]
divide between employees. And I continue
[1:36:31]
to hear consistent concerns from my
[1:36:33]
association regarding fairness,
[1:36:36]
transparency,
[1:36:37]
accountability, resulting in declining
[1:36:40]
morale, and diminished trust in county
[1:36:42]
leadership. In recent years, our
[1:36:45]
association members have continued to
[1:36:47]
provide customer service and perform as
[1:36:49]
one of the top friend of the courts
[1:36:50]
throughout Michigan despite repeated
[1:36:53]
administrative administration changes
[1:36:56]
and turnover of HR personnel. All while
[1:36:59]
hoping for a positive, transparent, and
[1:37:01]
equitable outcome of the wage study.
[1:37:04]
Instead, at the April 14th finance board
[1:37:06]
meeting, we were informed that the Baker
[1:37:08]
Tilly study would only be negotiating
[1:37:11]
data going into negotiations.
[1:37:14]
Many Friend of the Court employees
[1:37:16]
remain in the position of needing second
[1:37:17]
jobs on the weekends and evenings
[1:37:20]
despite working full-time in public
[1:37:22]
service, demonstrating the continued gap
[1:37:25]
between compensation and the real cost
[1:37:27]
of living. I myself serve at a local
[1:37:30]
restaurant every weekend, often working
[1:37:32]
seven days a week to be able to afford
[1:37:34]
the rising cost of daycare, groceries,
[1:37:37]
and raising a family in Ottawa County.
[1:37:40]
My association respectfully requests
[1:37:41]
that the board of commissioners
[1:37:43]
reconsider the current approach and
[1:37:45]
instead implement the wage study results
[1:37:46]
for all employees on a consistent
[1:37:48]
timeline. We are not seeking to reopen
[1:37:51]
or accelerate our contract negotiations.
[1:37:54]
Instead, we request that the wage
[1:37:55]
adjustments be implemented through a
[1:37:57]
letter of understanding attached to our
[1:37:59]
current agreement as has been
[1:38:01]
historically done, allowing for the
[1:38:03]
timely and equitable application of the
[1:38:06]
wage study while preserving our existing
[1:38:07]
agreement. Thank you for your time.
[1:38:10]
>> Thank you, Miss Armstrong.
[1:38:20]
Ian Zimmer, Port Sheldon Township. An
[1:38:23]
update on the online petition concerning
[1:38:25]
ethics involving Joe Moss narrative and
[1:38:28]
the board handling of the same.
[1:38:30]
Currently 504 signatures online and 187
[1:38:34]
paper signed within two hours on March
[1:38:37]
28, 2026.
[1:38:40]
After voting 10 to one to pursue not to
[1:38:43]
pursue an ethics inquiry, John Tele
[1:38:45]
stated, "We have nothing more to learn
[1:38:47]
or gain. There is much more to be
[1:38:50]
learned." Per the May 2, 2025
[1:38:53]
memorandum, employment investigation
[1:38:56]
2024, Jordan Eper timeline prepared by
[1:38:59]
Nate Wolf and submitted to Gary Rosema
[1:39:02]
and Ron Frans. It is clear and
[1:39:04]
self-evident the allegations lodged had
[1:39:07]
not been fully vetted and investigation
[1:39:09]
was still ongoing when Joe Moss
[1:39:12]
instructed Nate to terminate the
[1:39:14]
investigation.
[1:39:15]
There exists the possibility of a false
[1:39:18]
bottom. Presuming allegations made by
[1:39:21]
Jordan Eperson were true, then it is
[1:39:24]
only the false narrative of severance
[1:39:26]
terms Joe Moss outlined to the full
[1:39:29]
board in closed session. But if the
[1:39:31]
allegations presented by Jordan were
[1:39:34]
just as false as the severance terms
[1:39:36]
outlined by Mr. Moss, a matter of one
[1:39:39]
hand washing the other. During close
[1:39:42]
session, Gresian Cosby
[1:39:44]
gave commentary about the release of the
[1:39:47]
Eper resume and the only source was HR.
[1:39:51]
Sylvia stated HR was malicious in the
[1:39:54]
leak. All statements building a reason
[1:39:57]
to reward Jordan. Jack Jordan processed
[1:40:00]
foyer request 2023-00008802143
[1:40:08]
and legal appeal that released the Eper
[1:40:10]
resume. Commissioners listened to public
[1:40:13]
comment concerning the heavy 98%
[1:40:16]
redaction. However, during close
[1:40:18]
session, corporate council and
[1:40:20]
commissioners alike had factual amnesia.
[1:40:25]
No one challenged the HR leak narrative.
[1:40:28]
If the material facts surrounding the
[1:40:30]
resumeé foyer request can be overlooked,
[1:40:33]
what lesser but equally important
[1:40:35]
material facts were circumvented,
[1:40:38]
overlooked, or simply not given the
[1:40:41]
opportunity for discovery?
[1:40:43]
The definition of malfecence is
[1:40:46]
applicable on many levels. The material
[1:40:49]
facts of which occurred and the
[1:40:51]
expediency the new board treated the
[1:40:54]
ethics involved as radioactive.
[1:40:58]
Impersonating an attorney to promugate a
[1:41:00]
$100,000 severance based on false
[1:41:03]
pretenses is no significant matter.
[1:41:10]
» Thank you, Mr. Zimmer. Is there anyone
[1:41:13]
else?
[1:41:16]
It's a busy mic today. Come on up.
[1:41:20]
>> Busy day. You have a busy busy docket.
[1:41:23]
Thank you for commissioners. My name is
[1:41:26]
Bruce Greenley. I live in Park Township.
[1:41:29]
I'm uh I'm here uh a little ahead of
[1:41:33]
time from the public hearing to support
[1:41:36]
the um increase in parks and open spaces
[1:41:40]
millillage. Um my wife and I are um uh
[1:41:45]
residents of uh of Michigan about 17
[1:41:49]
years now. Uh we moved from the western
[1:41:52]
United States, western Colorado. I've
[1:41:54]
spent many times uh hiking and and
[1:41:59]
visiting national parks and the first
[1:42:01]
time I came to a a uh county park in
[1:42:04]
Ottawa County, Rosie Mound, I was
[1:42:07]
impressed by the infrastructure there,
[1:42:10]
the steps um and all the infrastructure
[1:42:16]
there and in especially other parks as
[1:42:19]
well. um in the
[1:42:23]
um the new park and all of all of Shores
[1:42:26]
is now not a new park. It's uh several
[1:42:29]
years old now, but uh same kind of
[1:42:32]
thing. Uh Ottawa County Parks does not
[1:42:35]
do things poorly. the trails and uh and
[1:42:41]
facilities that have been supported by
[1:42:43]
the public uh in the uh ser scientific
[1:42:48]
survey uh about a year ago and then an
[1:42:51]
update in February support um the
[1:42:55]
public's
[1:42:57]
um great great support for for parks as
[1:43:01]
we all know things are more expensive
[1:43:04]
whether it's engineering studies or your
[1:43:07]
um your meal at Red Robin, everything is
[1:43:12]
quite a bit more expensive than it was
[1:43:14]
five years ago or so. Um those
[1:43:17]
engineering studies that get the item
[1:43:20]
explorers trail um parts um uh stages
[1:43:24]
complete and all of those things cost
[1:43:29]
cons significantly more money than they
[1:43:31]
did a few years ago.
[1:43:33]
um the millillage um would help with
[1:43:37]
getting more than just operations done,
[1:43:40]
which is what's going to happen within
[1:43:42]
the next year or so. Um, our the staff
[1:43:46]
at the parks department do an incredible
[1:43:49]
job in getting hundreds of thousands of
[1:43:51]
dollars from the Michigan uh natural
[1:43:54]
resources trust fund allocated for park
[1:43:57]
operations and um land purchases and
[1:44:02]
upgrades. I just thank you f uh thank
[1:44:05]
you for helping uh consider uh
[1:44:09]
increasing the millillage for the Ottawa
[1:44:11]
County Parks and open spaces. Thank you.
[1:44:14]
>> Thank you, Mr. Greenley.
[1:44:23]
Sheila Detloff Holland Township. When
[1:44:26]
this board took office, you stated that
[1:44:28]
you would be transparent to a fault and
[1:44:30]
that you wanted to increase morale of
[1:44:32]
county employees. But two recent events
[1:44:34]
are painful examples of how much you are
[1:44:36]
still like Ottawa impact in both of
[1:44:38]
those respects. The first is this insane
[1:44:41]
backroom deal with the treasure and
[1:44:43]
water resources commissioner revealed by
[1:44:44]
Doug Venison in the compensation
[1:44:46]
commission meeting. Patrick Waterman
[1:44:49]
says that these stipens were fully
[1:44:51]
disclosed after the fact to the
[1:44:53]
commission in materials received by
[1:44:56]
them. But in the meeting, Lynn Jansen
[1:44:58]
asked Doug Vanesson what he meant when
[1:45:00]
he said increases for the two were being
[1:45:02]
handled internally. So Lind seemed
[1:45:05]
unaware of any such materials. Doug had
[1:45:08]
to spell it out for him, adding that
[1:45:10]
they were, and I quote, an internal
[1:45:12]
decision that the board of commissioners
[1:45:15]
approved and made. Of course, that's
[1:45:17]
impossible.
[1:45:19]
So, is Doug Vaness openly admitting a
[1:45:21]
massive OMA violation?
[1:45:24]
No one is denying that our treasurer and
[1:45:26]
water resources commissioner deserve a
[1:45:28]
fair wage. But you don't achieve that by
[1:45:30]
undermining the statutory authority of
[1:45:33]
the compensation commission or by
[1:45:35]
approving secret contracts in an
[1:45:37]
apparent violation of OMA.
[1:45:40]
This reeks of the same Ottawa impact
[1:45:42]
backroom deals that landed cushy parting
[1:45:44]
gifts in the laps of Ben Wetmore and
[1:45:46]
Jordan Eper.
[1:45:48]
The second issue is the wage study
[1:45:50]
that's on today's agenda. It's
[1:45:53]
interesting that the study has now been
[1:45:54]
pulled from the employee portal. I think
[1:45:57]
you know how flawed it is and that's why
[1:45:59]
Patrick Waterman wanted broad authority
[1:46:01]
to fix it post approval. Is that what
[1:46:04]
you're going to do now with all board
[1:46:06]
decisions? Say, "Hey, it's close enough.
[1:46:08]
We'll just vote yes and fix it later."
[1:46:11]
That's crazy. Obviously,
[1:46:14]
the recommendation concentrates wage
[1:46:16]
increases on managers and min and
[1:46:18]
administrators with the notable
[1:46:20]
exception of Adeline Hamley. deja vu oi
[1:46:23]
anyone.
[1:46:24]
But it defaulted to the option that
[1:46:26]
excludes unions completely. If you want
[1:46:29]
to demoralize your breadandbut
[1:46:31]
employees, that would be a great way to
[1:46:33]
do it. It seems to me it's easier to
[1:46:36]
give raises across the board than
[1:46:38]
dealing with retroactive pay and
[1:46:39]
individual unions later, but that's just
[1:46:42]
me being pragmatic.
[1:46:44]
And that's not even getting into the
[1:46:46]
confusion and uncertainty this will
[1:46:48]
cause for CH union employees for obvious
[1:46:50]
reasons.
[1:46:52]
You might want to look up the 2023
[1:46:54]
decision by the NLRB on Starbucks
[1:46:56]
attempt to exclude union employees from
[1:46:59]
wage from a wage increase. If that's not
[1:47:02]
enough to make you vote no on this wage
[1:47:04]
study and send it back to be fixed, then
[1:47:07]
at least vote no to show us that you
[1:47:09]
truly care about county employees and
[1:47:11]
it's not all lip service. Thank you.
[1:47:14]
Miss Love.
[1:47:18]
I see movement. We'll hold the mic.
[1:47:25]
» Good morning. Um, I am an Ottawa County
[1:47:28]
employee, Brandy Mitchum, but I took
[1:47:30]
time off this morning to talk as a
[1:47:32]
resident. I am a resident of Holland
[1:47:34]
Charter Township. My husband and I moved
[1:47:36]
here 30 years ago. Um, and as
[1:47:38]
transplants from Iowa, I immediately
[1:47:40]
recognized the value of our parks and
[1:47:42]
open spaces. Over the years, we've spent
[1:47:44]
countless hours mountain biking and
[1:47:46]
hiking in Riley Trails and enjoying the
[1:47:48]
unique landscapes of a tunnel park. Um,
[1:47:51]
we've raised our four children here and
[1:47:53]
we've spent time in our parks. Um,
[1:47:57]
they've become a foundation of some of
[1:47:59]
our most meaningful family experiences.
[1:48:02]
Our children have taken opportunity to
[1:48:04]
take walking field trips at Tunnel Park
[1:48:06]
as part of elementary school and those
[1:48:08]
have created great memories for our
[1:48:09]
family as well. During 2020 shutdowns,
[1:48:12]
our appreciation of parks deepened even
[1:48:14]
further. It provided our family a safe
[1:48:16]
and accessible way to get outdoors, stay
[1:48:18]
active, and maintain connection. Um,
[1:48:21]
time reinforced exactly how essential
[1:48:23]
these public spaces are to not just our
[1:48:25]
family, but also to our community. My
[1:48:28]
husband has led Cub Scout and Boy Scout
[1:48:30]
troops in Holland over the last 25
[1:48:32]
years, regularly utilizing Ottawa County
[1:48:35]
Parks trails at Riley and Pisca have
[1:48:38]
developed. Um
[1:48:42]
these boys um some of their skills have
[1:48:45]
come from um spending time in these
[1:48:48]
parks for their high adventure trips and
[1:48:50]
locations like the Kirk Park Lounge
[1:48:53]
Lodge, not lounge and Pigeon Creek
[1:48:55]
Campground have created opportunities
[1:48:58]
for them to spend time outdoors with
[1:49:01]
their skill building and earning merit
[1:49:03]
badges. These parks do more than serve
[1:49:05]
just our individuals and our families,
[1:49:07]
but they also are helping our community,
[1:49:09]
building young lives. Our family
[1:49:11]
continues to support the parks, and two
[1:49:13]
of my Jol adult children have chosen
[1:49:15]
careers rooted in the outdoors because
[1:49:18]
of all the time that they have spent um
[1:49:20]
as children thriving in the nature. When
[1:49:22]
I reflect on decades of our value that
[1:49:25]
our family has received, renewing and
[1:49:28]
restoring Parks Village is the bare
[1:49:30]
minimum I'm wanting to support. I
[1:49:33]
strongly favor and will encourage others
[1:49:35]
to vote for also the 2.2 mil increase to
[1:49:38]
preserve and enhance the greenways of
[1:49:40]
Ottawa County. As a resident, I deeply
[1:49:43]
value the stewardship and the long-term
[1:49:45]
planning required to maintain these
[1:49:46]
spaces. Nearly 500page
[1:49:50]
parks, recreation, and open space plan
[1:49:52]
submitted to the state as part of their
[1:49:53]
grant funding requirements reflects just
[1:49:56]
a portion of the thoughtful long-range
[1:49:58]
planning undertaken by park staff. Their
[1:50:00]
detailed budgeting and preparation over
[1:50:02]
the last three years that I've been part
[1:50:04]
of it have demonstrated diligence,
[1:50:06]
responsibility, and a clear commitment
[1:50:08]
to managing these public spaces wisely.
[1:50:11]
I respect and encourage um you to
[1:50:14]
approve the ballot language for both the
[1:50:16]
renewal and restoration of the CH and
[1:50:18]
parks millage along with the proposed
[1:50:21]
increase for parks in November. With
[1:50:23]
well over two million visits a year, the
[1:50:25]
community has clearly demonstrated
[1:50:27]
um vital spaces are important to the
[1:50:30]
quality of life. Thank you for your time
[1:50:32]
and for your support and for your
[1:50:33]
continued um dedication to serve our
[1:50:36]
community. Thank you.
[1:50:37]
>> Thank Thank you, Miss Mitchell.
[1:50:40]
Is there anyone else?
[1:50:49]
» Good morning, commissioners. Becky
[1:50:51]
Patrick Allenale. I'm following up on
[1:50:53]
the emails I sent to you regarding
[1:50:55]
statements made at a recent meeting of
[1:50:57]
the Officer's Compensation Commission.
[1:50:59]
As you know, the Officer's Compensation
[1:51:01]
Commission is the only body that has the
[1:51:03]
statutory authority to set salaries for
[1:51:05]
non-judicial elected officials in this
[1:51:07]
county. According to statements your
[1:51:10]
corporate council made at that meeting,
[1:51:12]
you, the board of commissioners,
[1:51:14]
recently made a quote internal decision
[1:51:17]
to increase the salaries of two of those
[1:51:19]
elected officials. This was truly a
[1:51:22]
breathtaking statement. So I asked you
[1:51:24]
for an explanation.
[1:51:26]
Commissioners Midima, Roodie, and
[1:51:28]
Zyestra responded to my emails.
[1:51:31]
I learned that the three of them were
[1:51:33]
unaware of this internal decision. They
[1:51:36]
agreed with me that the compensation
[1:51:38]
commission, not the board of
[1:51:39]
commissioners, has the authority to set
[1:51:41]
salaries of elected officials.
[1:51:44]
This revelation about an internal
[1:51:46]
decision to increase increase salaries
[1:51:48]
was especially astonishing because you
[1:51:51]
all were asked to do this very thing at
[1:51:53]
your December 9th finance committee
[1:51:54]
meeting. You declined to do so.
[1:51:57]
Yesterday, I rewatched that entire
[1:51:59]
discussion on video. That meeting was
[1:52:02]
characterized by commissioners
[1:52:04]
expressing discomfort at the idea of
[1:52:06]
increasing those salaries because you
[1:52:08]
were concerned about the legality of it.
[1:52:11]
You voted unanimously to table the
[1:52:13]
matter and ask the administrator to
[1:52:15]
collect additional information and bring
[1:52:17]
it back to you at a subsequent meeting.
[1:52:20]
That did not happen. Instead, according
[1:52:22]
to corporate counsel, the salaries are
[1:52:24]
ways raised quote internally out of
[1:52:27]
public view in spite of all your high
[1:52:30]
sounding public statements that you
[1:52:31]
weren't comfortable taking such an
[1:52:33]
action.
[1:52:35]
Let us be clear, the issue is not the
[1:52:38]
amount of money involved. The issue is
[1:52:41]
not whether elected salary elected
[1:52:43]
officials should have a salary increase.
[1:52:46]
The issue is purely and simply your
[1:52:48]
obligation to act in the public trust.
[1:52:52]
Acting in the public trust means acting
[1:52:54]
within your authority. It means making
[1:52:56]
decisions as a full board, not by a
[1:52:59]
subset of the board. It means making
[1:53:02]
decisions in public. It means refusing
[1:53:05]
to circumvent your colleagues in state
[1:53:07]
law when they get in the way of an
[1:53:08]
outcome you want. It means respecting
[1:53:11]
the residents of Ottawa County enough to
[1:53:13]
do all of those things.
[1:53:15]
So, what is the remedy? At a minimum,
[1:53:18]
you owe the public an explanation, and
[1:53:21]
today would be a good time for that.
[1:53:23]
Thank you.
[1:53:25]
>> All right. Thank you, Miss Patrick. Is
[1:53:27]
there anybody else?
[1:53:32]
» Good morning, Karen, Spring Lake. On
[1:53:35]
more than one occasion over the past 16
[1:53:37]
months, I've heard this board state its
[1:53:39]
desire and intent to move forward. I
[1:53:43]
admit I've struggled at times over these
[1:53:45]
past months to understand exactly what
[1:53:46]
you mean by that. So my comment today is
[1:53:49]
a plea that you demonstrate by your
[1:53:51]
words and actions that you understand
[1:53:54]
the need to restore public trust as a
[1:53:56]
critical component of moving forward in
[1:53:59]
a way that acknowledges the broader
[1:54:00]
community beyond your own board. Because
[1:54:04]
I stand here before you today to express
[1:54:06]
the dismay I felt when I watched the
[1:54:08]
recent Ottawa County Compensation
[1:54:10]
Commission meeting and struggled to make
[1:54:12]
sense of the explanation Mr. Vaness
[1:54:14]
offered the members of that commission
[1:54:17]
as to how the county had dealt
[1:54:19]
internally to resolve the compensation
[1:54:21]
difference for the county treasurer and
[1:54:22]
water commissioner that resulted from
[1:54:25]
the work of the last compensation
[1:54:26]
commission.
[1:54:28]
And while the email pertinent to this
[1:54:30]
matter which Mr. Waterman sent to this
[1:54:32]
board upon the request of Chair Buger
[1:54:34]
does offer helpful background and a more
[1:54:36]
detailed summary of actions taken to
[1:54:39]
address the compensation issue in
[1:54:41]
question. It does little to restore my
[1:54:43]
trust that this board is committed to
[1:54:45]
good process, the kind of transparent
[1:54:47]
good governance process it instills and
[1:54:49]
restores public trust. And as for what
[1:54:52]
moving forward might mean to our county
[1:54:54]
staff, I would also like to encourage
[1:54:56]
you, as others have done before me, to
[1:54:58]
consider carefully the agenda item
[1:55:00]
related to the need to approve the
[1:55:02]
classification and compensation study as
[1:55:05]
recommended. Specifically, I'm concerned
[1:55:07]
about the impact of the exclusion of our
[1:55:09]
union employees from this wage study.
[1:55:12]
But concerns are even greater in terms
[1:55:14]
of the potential impact of that decision
[1:55:16]
as it relates to our CH employees who as
[1:55:19]
you well know are also facing job
[1:55:21]
related uncertainties due to the ongoing
[1:55:23]
transition to an authority.
[1:55:26]
So I ask that you carefully consider
[1:55:28]
whether further review is warranted. And
[1:55:31]
finally, as both Mr. Evers and Mr.
[1:55:33]
Bogurt stated in their public comments
[1:55:35]
here this morning. I agree that this
[1:55:37]
board would do well to pass a resolution
[1:55:39]
asking the EPA hold a public hearing
[1:55:42]
related to the two deep injection wells
[1:55:44]
for which Consumers Energy is seeking a
[1:55:46]
permit. In doing so, you will
[1:55:49]
demonstrate your commitment to building
[1:55:52]
public trust in yet another area of
[1:55:54]
public concern. Thank you for your time.
[1:55:58]
>> Thank you, Miss Oittz. Is there anyone
[1:56:01]
else?
[1:56:04]
Is there anybody online?
[1:56:06]
>> Yes, there are two.
[1:56:07]
>> Two online. All right.
[1:56:09]
>> Um, Kimberly Whitten Meyer,
[1:56:12]
>> you can unmute and you have three
[1:56:14]
minutes if you could say your
[1:56:15]
jurisdiction.
[1:56:20]
» My name is Kimberly Whittener. I'm the
[1:56:23]
executive director.
[1:56:24]
>> Whitmer, are you there?
[1:56:26]
>> What are you there?
[1:56:28]
>> Um, hello.
[1:56:31]
All right, let's the next one.
[1:56:33]
>> Daniel Bectal.
[1:56:39]
» Hello. Can you hear me?
[1:56:40]
>> I wonder if we're having technical
[1:56:42]
difficulties that we're not
[1:56:45]
might be. All right, Miss Beal and Miss
[1:56:47]
Whitmire, if you are listening, give us
[1:56:49]
60 seconds. If we can resolve this, we
[1:56:51]
will. Otherwise, we'll have another
[1:56:53]
opportunity to speak at the end of the
[1:56:55]
meeting or call into the audience from
[1:56:57]
the audience.
[1:56:59]
Yeah, staff is shaking their head that
[1:57:00]
60 seconds probably isn't going to do
[1:57:02]
it.
[1:57:02]
>> I wonder if we would take a short recess
[1:57:04]
a minute.
[1:57:05]
>> I We'll have them comment at the end.
[1:57:07]
Yeah, thanks.
[1:57:16]
Okay. All right. Staff has indicated
[1:57:18]
that um we'll have to do this at the
[1:57:20]
end. We'll work on that during the
[1:57:21]
meeting. Uh so if Miss Whitmer and uh
[1:57:24]
Mr. Beal are listening, uh please stay
[1:57:26]
tuned and call in at the end of the
[1:57:27]
meeting. We'll be happy to take your
[1:57:28]
comments. All right. And with that, we
[1:57:31]
will close the public comment section of
[1:57:33]
our meeting and we will move on to one
[1:57:37]
moment.
[1:57:38]
>> Motion to approve the agenda.
[1:57:40]
>> Yeah. Thank you, Joe. Motion to approve
[1:57:41]
the agenda. We got a motion. Is there a
[1:57:43]
second?
[1:57:44]
>> Mr. Chair,
[1:57:44]
>> motion and support. And uh Miss Mea,
[1:57:48]
>> um as I sent an email to you yesterday,
[1:57:50]
I'd like to uh make a motion to add a
[1:57:54]
discussion item um on the water resource
[1:57:57]
commissioner and the county treasurer um
[1:57:59]
being paid additional compensation.
[1:58:03]
>> There's a motion. Is there a second?
[1:58:06]
Got support from was that Commissioner
[1:58:08]
Wenszel. All right.
[1:58:11]
Any further comments?
[1:58:15]
Okay, let's take a vote. Uh, if you
[1:58:16]
would do roll call, Miss Sanchez, that
[1:58:18]
would be great.
[1:58:20]
>> Mr. Moss,
[1:58:22]
>> yes.
[1:58:23]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[1:58:24]
>> no.
[1:58:24]
>> Mr. Barry,
[1:58:26]
>> yes.
[1:58:27]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[1:58:28]
>> yes.
[1:58:29]
>> Mrs. Roadie,
[1:58:30]
>> yes.
[1:58:31]
>> Mr. Zystra,
[1:58:32]
>> yes.
[1:58:32]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[1:58:33]
>> yes.
[1:58:34]
>> Mrs. Midama,
[1:58:34]
>> yes.
[1:58:35]
>> Mr. Dortzma,
[1:58:36]
>> yes.
[1:58:37]
>> Mr. Tuples,
[1:58:38]
>> no.
[1:58:38]
>> Mr. Buger,
[1:58:39]
>> uh, no.
[1:58:41]
>> Motion passes.
[1:58:42]
>> All right. Thank you. Let's add that as
[1:58:44]
item
[1:58:48]
under additional business
[1:58:50]
discussion on consumers deep well report
[1:58:53]
by county minister let's slide that in
[1:58:55]
under a
[1:58:57]
call it b discussion
[1:59:00]
re
[1:59:02]
making this note for me compensation
[1:59:05]
of elected officials is that good
[1:59:07]
>> I'm sorry where's that going
[1:59:08]
>> so under uh item 11 additional business
[1:59:12]
Oh, okay.
[1:59:13]
>> Discussion on consumers energy wells and
[1:59:16]
B will be discussion regarding consumers
[1:59:18]
uh compensation or excuse me consumers
[1:59:20]
compensate. Uh yeah, elected officials
[1:59:23]
compensation. All right. Anything else?
[1:59:28]
Okay. Oh, sorry. Nope. You're good.
[1:59:31]
>> Okay. All right. Uh we've got a motion
[1:59:33]
on the table to approve the agenda. All
[1:59:34]
in favor say I. I. I. Those opposed. All
[1:59:37]
right. Motion carries.
[1:59:43]
All right. Sorry, guys. Got a lot on
[1:59:45]
this one here. All right. So, item
[1:59:47]
number seven, the consent resolutions.
[1:59:49]
Uh, the suggested motion is to approve
[1:59:51]
the consent resolutions as presented.
[1:59:53]
>> So, moved
[1:59:54]
>> or moved in support. Any discussion?
[1:59:58]
>> So, sorry. Uh, letter H. We could remove
[2:00:02]
that, please. a request for a letter H
[2:00:06]
to be removed to an action item
[2:00:09]
that is the classification and
[2:00:10]
compensation study and we will put that
[2:00:15]
as item G
[2:00:18]
to be the next one in sequence there
[2:00:19]
under
[2:00:21]
it's a three-page agenda under item
[2:00:24]
under section eight so item G will
[2:00:26]
become
[2:00:28]
classification and compensation study
[2:00:34]
If I can read my handwriting later,
[2:00:36]
it'll be a miracle. I'm sure Rachel will
[2:00:39]
be able to assist. All right, with that,
[2:00:41]
uh, all in favor of approving the
[2:00:42]
agenda, say I.
[2:00:43]
>> I.
[2:00:43]
Those opposed?
[2:00:45]
>> We're on the
[2:00:46]
>> Excuse me. Consent agenda. Apologies.
[2:00:47]
Yeah, let's do that again. Uh, all in
[2:00:49]
favor of approving the consent agenda as
[2:00:51]
amended.
[2:00:51]
>> Mr. Chair, could I request a roll call,
[2:00:53]
please?
[2:00:54]
>> Sure. Can
[2:00:56]
>> Mrs. Roie?
[2:00:57]
>> Yes.
[2:00:58]
>> Mr. Teles?
[2:00:59]
>> Yes.
[2:00:59]
>> Mr. Mr. Zystra,
[2:01:01]
>> yes.
[2:01:02]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[2:01:03]
>> yes.
[2:01:03]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[2:01:04]
>> yes.
[2:01:05]
>> Mrs. Midama,
[2:01:06]
>> yes.
[2:01:06]
>> Mr. Moss,
[2:01:07]
>> yes.
[2:01:08]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[2:01:09]
>> yes.
[2:01:09]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[2:01:10]
>> yes.
[2:01:10]
>> Mr. Barry,
[2:01:11]
>> yes.
[2:01:12]
>> Mr. Buger,
[2:01:13]
>> yes.
[2:01:13]
>> Motion passes.
[2:01:15]
>> All right. Thank you. Uh, item eight,
[2:01:17]
agenda and action requests. First up is
[2:01:20]
a public hearing regarding the CH
[2:01:22]
Militch and parks and open space. The
[2:01:25]
suggested motion is to open the public
[2:01:26]
hearing to receive comments on the
[2:01:28]
proposed CH millillage and parks and
[2:01:30]
open space mill. Anyone care?
[2:01:32]
>> Support.
[2:01:33]
>> Motion by Jorrettzma, second by Moss.
[2:01:36]
All those in favor say I.
[2:01:38]
>> I.
[2:01:38]
>> Those opposed. All right. So, at this
[2:01:41]
time, if anyone who didn't already
[2:01:44]
comment uh would like to approach the
[2:01:46]
board to comment regarding the CH
[2:01:48]
millillage and the um parks millillage,
[2:01:51]
now is the time. Please state your name.
[2:01:54]
voting jurisdiction if you know it and
[2:01:56]
uh keep your comments to about three
[2:01:58]
minutes. Thank you.
[2:01:59]
>> Good morning. This is Bob Davis,
[2:02:01]
Georgetown Township.
[2:02:03]
I'm simply here to ask this board to
[2:02:05]
place a mental health millage renewal on
[2:02:07]
the August 4th ballot and to make the
[2:02:10]
case for why Ottawa County voters have
[2:02:12]
earned the chance to say yes again.
[2:02:16]
10 years ago, the voters of this county
[2:02:18]
made a commitment.
[2:02:20]
They said that mental health services
[2:02:22]
matter, that their neighbors deserve
[2:02:26]
access to care, and that this community
[2:02:29]
was willing to invest in that vision.
[2:02:32]
I'm here to tell you that that invest in
[2:02:34]
investment has paid dividends.
[2:02:37]
Over the past decade, millage funding
[2:02:39]
has allowed Ottawa County Community
[2:02:41]
Mental Health to expand access to
[2:02:44]
services for thousands of residents,
[2:02:47]
children, adults, seniors,
[2:02:50]
and people with developmental
[2:02:52]
disabilities
[2:02:54]
who might otherwise have gone without
[2:02:56]
care.
[2:02:57]
It has supported crisis intervention,
[2:03:00]
outpatient therapy, substance use
[2:03:03]
treatment, and community-based programs
[2:03:06]
that help people live stable, productive
[2:03:09]
lives,
[2:03:11]
and people connected to their families,
[2:03:14]
their jobs, and their communities.
[2:03:18]
These are not abstract ideas or
[2:03:20]
outcomes. These are real people. You've
[2:03:23]
heard some of them earlier today. They
[2:03:26]
are our neighbors and our families who
[2:03:29]
received help because Ottawa County
[2:03:31]
chose to fund it. That is something
[2:03:34]
worth renewing and actually to be proud
[2:03:37]
of. A renewal millage is exactly what it
[2:03:40]
sounds like, a continuation of something
[2:03:43]
that is already working. It doesn't
[2:03:46]
create a new tax burden. It asks voters
[2:03:48]
whether they want to maintain the
[2:03:50]
progress that they have already made.
[2:03:53]
Given the track record of the past 10
[2:03:55]
years, I believe the answer would be a
[2:03:57]
resounding yes, but only if this board
[2:03:59]
gives them the opportunity to vote.
[2:04:02]
Placing this on the August 4th ballot is
[2:04:05]
the efficient and responsible path. The
[2:04:07]
deadline is approaching and the work of
[2:04:10]
certifying ballot language needs to
[2:04:12]
happen now. I want to thank the board
[2:04:14]
for the support you have shown for
[2:04:16]
community mental health over the years.
[2:04:19]
The renewal is an opportunity to build
[2:04:21]
on that legacy to signal to residents,
[2:04:25]
to providers, and to the people who
[2:04:26]
depend on these services that Ottawa
[2:04:28]
County maintains
[2:04:30]
remains committed to the work of serving
[2:04:32]
our most vulnerable.
[2:04:34]
And since I have a minute left, a quick
[2:04:36]
shout out to the parks.
[2:04:40]
Good parks
[2:04:42]
help improve mental health. Thank you.
[2:04:46]
>> Thank you, Mr. Davis. And just a
[2:04:48]
clarification, if anybody who spoke
[2:04:50]
earlier would like to speak again to add
[2:04:52]
an exclamation point to your comments,
[2:04:53]
you are most welcome to approach as
[2:04:55]
well.
[2:04:57]
Anyone else?
[2:05:02]
Almost took out Barb on my way up here.
[2:05:05]
Sheila Lafalen Township. Um, I am going
[2:05:08]
to add my voice to the support for uh
[2:05:11]
putting the CH millillage on the August
[2:05:13]
ballot. Until the woman spoke earlier
[2:05:15]
about her experience with the Y, it
[2:05:18]
really had not occurred to me of that
[2:05:20]
kind of tangible benefit to having that
[2:05:23]
millillage approved earlier rather than
[2:05:25]
later. Um, so I really encourage you to
[2:05:28]
do that. As far as parks go, um when we
[2:05:31]
moved here five years ago for my
[2:05:33]
husband's job, um
[2:05:36]
the parks were a huge attraction in
[2:05:38]
coming here. Um not that I had a whole
[2:05:40]
lot of choice of where we were moving
[2:05:41]
to, but um the parks made it extremely
[2:05:44]
attractive. When we lived on the east
[2:05:46]
side, I had to drive 20 minutes at a
[2:05:49]
minimum to a nice park that had place
[2:05:51]
for kayaking and hiking. And now I can
[2:05:54]
practically walk out my back door and
[2:05:56]
get the same thing. Um, so I am fully in
[2:05:59]
support of the parks renewal and
[2:06:01]
increase. Personally, I do understand
[2:06:03]
that these are very difficult times
[2:06:05]
financially for a lot of people. Um, gas
[2:06:08]
prices are approaching $5 a gallon as
[2:06:10]
you all know. Um, so I do understand
[2:06:12]
that there might be some um, hesitancy
[2:06:16]
about the increase. Um, but I personally
[2:06:19]
support both of them. Thank you.
[2:06:22]
>> Thank you, Miss Detaf. Is there anyone
[2:06:25]
else who would like to talk about parks
[2:06:27]
or the chillage?
[2:06:30]
» Hello everybody. Uh my name is Kelly
[2:06:33]
Ruffing. I'm um from Robinson Township.
[2:06:36]
So um I just want to also in I don't
[2:06:38]
know it's hard to think of what to say
[2:06:39]
that our CEO or Becca didn't already say
[2:06:42]
but um I work at the YMCA and we've been
[2:06:45]
implementing a social wreck uh program
[2:06:47]
under the millillage since uh last May.
[2:06:50]
So almost a year and it has been so eye
[2:06:52]
opening for us. Our mission is really to
[2:06:55]
reach more of the vulnerable populations
[2:06:57]
that don't just come in for a swim in a
[2:06:59]
gym and this has given us the
[2:07:01]
opportunity to do that. It's been an
[2:07:03]
absolute joy and I believe it's brought
[2:07:05]
people out of the woodwork. Um people
[2:07:07]
with substance use disorder,
[2:07:09]
developmental disabilities, and mental
[2:07:11]
health challenges. um those it the Y is
[2:07:14]
so welcoming to all and I feel like it's
[2:07:17]
really helping to destigmatize people
[2:07:19]
that might not otherwise qualify for
[2:07:21]
mental health services or access them
[2:07:23]
just of their own free will have told me
[2:07:25]
especially with the substance um use and
[2:07:28]
the mental health members they are they
[2:07:31]
are thrilled to be able to just walk
[2:07:33]
into the Y and reap the benefits of
[2:07:35]
improved physical health and how that's
[2:07:37]
impacted their mental health and how
[2:07:39]
they can um do programs with their
[2:07:41]
families amilies and how it strengthened
[2:07:42]
their relationships with their friends
[2:07:44]
and they've made new friends and our
[2:07:46]
staff have just been um really enjoying
[2:07:48]
the program as well. So, I encourage you
[2:07:50]
to put it on the August ballot to reduce
[2:07:52]
the likelihood of any kind of
[2:07:54]
interruption of services and to say
[2:07:56]
thank you for allowing me to speak and
[2:07:58]
leave Grand Haven and everybody else of
[2:08:00]
Grand Haven and everybody else. We would
[2:08:03]
like you to put the Momentum Center on
[2:08:05]
the ballot for August.
[2:08:08]
We do a they do a lot for us. we go
[2:08:10]
places and if the but militism passed
[2:08:13]
then we wouldn't be able to go. I
[2:08:16]
finally decided to go to Momentum
[2:08:18]
because
[2:08:21]
oops
[2:08:22]
um I decided to go to Momentum Center to
[2:08:25]
get out of my apartment because I'm not
[2:08:28]
really a social person. I like to stay
[2:08:30]
home and I'm just real quiet. Thank you
[2:08:32]
for everything I meant.
[2:08:34]
>> Right. Thank you. Is there anyone else?
[2:08:39]
>> Greenwood.
[2:08:42]
>> Yeah. Hello. Glad to be here this
[2:08:43]
morning. My name is Caleb H Caleb
[2:08:46]
Higgins and I reside in Holland Township
[2:08:48]
and therefore I'm a member of the
[2:08:51]
Holland Momentum Center and I am here
[2:08:53]
this morning to show my support for the
[2:08:55]
renewal of the mental health millage and
[2:08:57]
to support it being placed on the August
[2:08:59]
ballot. One program that receives mental
[2:09:02]
health millage funding is the Momentum
[2:09:04]
Center. So, I'm certainly grateful for
[2:09:06]
the momentum center for the fact that
[2:09:08]
it's a great way for me to spend time
[2:09:11]
because a lot of people like myself may
[2:09:13]
be disabled and unable to work and
[2:09:15]
single at the time. So, the Momentum
[2:09:17]
Center really helps me and others like
[2:09:19]
myself deal with the boredom and
[2:09:21]
loneliness.
[2:09:22]
And I'd also like to add that the M
[2:09:24]
momentum center is some very interesting
[2:09:26]
activities which I think are very
[2:09:28]
educational and almost comparable to the
[2:09:32]
extracurricular activities in the
[2:09:34]
schools. It's also a very great way to
[2:09:36]
socialize with a lot of people and learn
[2:09:38]
a great deal of skills. Like it's taught
[2:09:40]
me how to be a lot better cook.
[2:09:44]
The Momentum Center also provides
[2:09:46]
opportunities for us to keep up on our
[2:09:48]
good health. They do some offering of
[2:09:52]
activities like walking outside,
[2:09:54]
especially when the weather is good or
[2:09:56]
during what we call our open gym time at
[2:09:58]
the church we meet in now. And I would
[2:10:03]
actually believe I'd be lost without the
[2:10:05]
M momentum center. So I hurtly hope that
[2:10:08]
you vote to add add to the renewal to
[2:10:10]
the August ballot and renew the mental
[2:10:13]
health millage so that others and I can
[2:10:16]
continue to grow and keep it operating.
[2:10:19]
Thank you.
[2:10:21]
>> Thank you Mr. Higgins.
[2:10:28]
» Hi Gwen Foss um from Spring Lake
[2:10:30]
Fairiesburg. Um, and I was not intending
[2:10:33]
to make a comment. Um, but I just I work
[2:10:37]
for University of Michigan Health and I
[2:10:39]
just think it's ironic that I got an
[2:10:41]
email that came in just a few minutes
[2:10:43]
ago that says May is mental health month
[2:10:46]
and um encourages everybody to get
[2:10:49]
involved. It talked about different
[2:10:51]
webinars and symposiums
[2:10:53]
um about AI and mental health risks um
[2:10:56]
maternal um mental health addiction
[2:11:00]
services different um drug agents
[2:11:05]
um breakthroughs for bipolar disorder
[2:11:09]
and um supporting kids at of every age.
[2:11:12]
Um, so I just thought it made sense to
[2:11:15]
also put my word in for supporting
[2:11:18]
community mental health.
[2:11:20]
>> Thank you, Miss Boss.
[2:11:22]
Is there anyone else? Come on up.
[2:11:26]
>> My name is Elizabeth Brewbaker from
[2:11:27]
Holland Township. I've lived in Holland
[2:11:30]
Township for 30 years. When my children
[2:11:32]
were young, we spent a lot of our summer
[2:11:34]
at the parks and took part in some of
[2:11:38]
the programming. We even started an
[2:11:40]
annual tradition of taking a hike to
[2:11:42]
Rosie Mound on Labor Day, which we still
[2:11:44]
do. My husband and I continue to enjoy
[2:11:48]
walks in Adawa County parks and we also
[2:11:50]
enjoy programming, especially the
[2:11:51]
birding programs. In fact, we enjoyed
[2:11:53]
the yearly program to see the Eagle's
[2:11:55]
Nest at the Grand Ravines just this past
[2:11:57]
weekend.
[2:11:59]
We also continue to enjoy exploring the
[2:12:01]
steady expansion of the county parks and
[2:12:03]
trails. And it's hard to believe we get
[2:12:05]
to enjoy the beauty of these parks and
[2:12:07]
actively enjoy making use of them all
[2:12:10]
for only an average of about $66 a year
[2:12:12]
per household. With the proposal to
[2:12:15]
increase the millillage by2 mills or an
[2:12:17]
average about $40 a year per household
[2:12:21]
to fund further expansions and
[2:12:22]
renovations, we still come out at a
[2:12:24]
total of less than $10 a month for an
[2:12:26]
incredible park system. I don't have
[2:12:28]
hard data about how much this county
[2:12:30]
park system adds to the value of my
[2:12:32]
home, but I feel confident it's more
[2:12:34]
than $110 a year. I'm fully in support
[2:12:37]
of the renewal of the existing uh.33
[2:12:39]
mills as well as the proposed 2 mills
[2:12:41]
for parks and open space. And I urge you
[2:12:43]
to vote yes to adopt the resolution
[2:12:45]
approving the ballot language. I also
[2:12:47]
urge you to vote in favor of the
[2:12:49]
community mental health millage. Hearing
[2:12:51]
these stories today reminds me of how
[2:12:54]
much work goes on in the background to
[2:12:57]
make sure that so many people in Ottawa
[2:13:00]
County get to live the life that makes
[2:13:03]
it a quality life for them. Thank you.
[2:13:06]
>> Thank you, Miss Brewbaker.
[2:13:10]
>> Come on up.
[2:13:15]
» My name is Katie Oswald and I live in
[2:13:16]
the city of Holland. I'm here as someone
[2:13:18]
who really needs a place like Momentum
[2:13:20]
Center. When people hear mental health
[2:13:22]
millage, I think many who don't know
[2:13:23]
what the funds it funds simp assume it's
[2:13:26]
simply a tax increase. To me, it's a
[2:13:28]
reminder of how far I come from a season
[2:13:30]
when I wasn't sure how I was going to
[2:13:31]
get through. When even small steps
[2:13:33]
forward took everything I had before I
[2:13:35]
found the Momentum Center, I was in a
[2:13:37]
really dark place. I felt alone all the
[2:13:39]
time, even when I was around people. I
[2:13:42]
was dealing with suicidal thoughts and
[2:13:43]
it felt like I was trapped in my own
[2:13:45]
mind with no way out. I heard about
[2:13:47]
Momentum Center after being discharged
[2:13:48]
from Holland Hospital. They told me it
[2:13:50]
could be a resource in the community to
[2:13:52]
support my mental health. The M momentum
[2:13:55]
center welcomed me into a space where I
[2:13:57]
didn't have to pretend I was okay. I
[2:13:58]
could come exactly as I was. It's a
[2:14:00]
place where I'm not too much, not a
[2:14:02]
burden, and not a problem that needs
[2:14:03]
fixing. The Momentum Center gave me what
[2:14:06]
I didn't realize I was aching for. A
[2:14:08]
place where I could simply exist, take
[2:14:09]
up space without apology. And that
[2:14:11]
changed everything. When you spend your
[2:14:13]
whole life feeling like you have to
[2:14:15]
shrink yourself, stay quiet, or
[2:14:16]
disappear. Being in a place where you're
[2:14:18]
allowed to just be there fully and
[2:14:20]
without apology is powerful. It's
[2:14:21]
healing. It can literally keep you
[2:14:24]
going. That's what the mental health
[2:14:26]
means to me. It's not just progress.
[2:14:28]
It's survival. It's the small moments
[2:14:29]
that build up into something bigger.
[2:14:31]
It's showing up one day and then finding
[2:14:33]
the strength to come back again.
[2:14:37]
It's going from feeling completely alone
[2:14:39]
to realizing you are a part of something
[2:14:41]
bigger than yourself. I need to say this
[2:14:43]
clearly. The Momentum Center is not the
[2:14:45]
only place doing this work. There are
[2:14:46]
other social recreation programs out
[2:14:48]
there and they matter just as much.
[2:14:50]
Maybe more than people realize because
[2:14:52]
not everyone finds connection in the
[2:14:54]
same place. Not everybody needs the same
[2:14:56]
kind of support, but every person
[2:14:57]
deserves a place to go, a place to be in
[2:14:59]
their community where they can choose.
[2:15:02]
These funded programs like the Momentum
[2:15:04]
Center give people a reason to get out
[2:15:06]
of bed. They give people somewhere safe
[2:15:08]
to land when life feels unbearable. They
[2:15:10]
give people connection which for me
[2:15:12]
helps reduce going into crisis. They
[2:15:14]
give people hope and that's why we it's
[2:15:16]
so important to get the millillage on
[2:15:18]
the ballot in August. It is bigger than
[2:15:20]
just the momentum center. One program,
[2:15:22]
one story. People deserve a voice and
[2:15:24]
whether support like this continues,
[2:15:25]
grows, and reaches the people who are
[2:15:27]
barely hanging on. For me, this kind of
[2:15:29]
support has made all the difference. And
[2:15:31]
I know I'm not the only one. Mental
[2:15:33]
health is about more than progress. It's
[2:15:35]
about survival. It's about dignity. It's
[2:15:36]
about being reminded that your life
[2:15:38]
matters. Your presence matters and your
[2:15:40]
future matters. That is why I'm asking
[2:15:42]
you to add the mil mental health millage
[2:15:44]
to the ballot in August to give people a
[2:15:46]
place and a voice where they wouldn't
[2:15:47]
normally have one. Thank you.
[2:15:49]
>> Thank you, Miss Oswald.
[2:15:52]
Is there anyone else?
[2:15:58]
» Barbara Lee, city of Miss uh city of
[2:16:00]
Grand Haven and the Momentum Center. I'm
[2:16:03]
here today as so many others are because
[2:16:05]
we want to make something really clear.
[2:16:07]
The community mental health millillage
[2:16:09]
is not an abstract policy decision. It
[2:16:13]
is the difference between stability and
[2:16:15]
crisis for thousands of our neighbors.
[2:16:18]
For the past decade, this millillage has
[2:16:20]
quietly done exactly what it was
[2:16:22]
designed to do. Support people before
[2:16:25]
they reach a breaking point. Every day
[2:16:28]
we see the impact. We see individuals
[2:16:30]
who because of these services are not
[2:16:32]
sitting in an emergency room, not
[2:16:35]
cycling through the jail system, but
[2:16:37]
instead are finding connection, purpose,
[2:16:40]
and a path forward. And that matters not
[2:16:43]
just morally, but financially. Because
[2:16:45]
when we invest in mental health early,
[2:16:47]
we reduce the strain on law enforcement,
[2:16:50]
hospitals, and the broader system. But
[2:16:53]
here's the part that's really important
[2:16:55]
to say clearly. This only continues if
[2:16:57]
the millage continues. If it's not
[2:17:00]
renewed, these programs, the ones you've
[2:17:02]
been hearing about throughout this
[2:17:04]
meeting, will be reduced or lost. And
[2:17:07]
the people who rely on them won't
[2:17:09]
disappear. They will simply show up in
[2:17:12]
systems that are most more costly and
[2:17:14]
often less effective. So today, I'm
[2:17:17]
asking you to do two things. first vote
[2:17:19]
to place the millillage on the August
[2:17:21]
4th ballot so that the people of Ottawa
[2:17:23]
County can decide whether to continue
[2:17:25]
this investment in their neighbors. And
[2:17:28]
second, I invite you to come and see
[2:17:30]
this work for yourselves. Visit the
[2:17:32]
programs that have been speaking here
[2:17:34]
today. I joined the momentum center at
[2:17:36]
our annual prom with a purpose. Come
[2:17:38]
meet the people whose lives are shaped
[2:17:40]
by these services because once you see
[2:17:43]
it up close, it stops being theoretical.
[2:17:46]
it becomes personal. Mental health is a
[2:17:50]
community issue, one that's been
[2:17:52]
chronically underfunded. This community
[2:17:54]
saw that problem and chose to respond
[2:17:57]
with a truly unique community solution.
[2:18:00]
The millillage isn't just about funding
[2:18:03]
services. It's about continuing
[2:18:05]
something that this community chose to
[2:18:07]
build together. Thank you for your time,
[2:18:11]
your leadership, and your commitment to
[2:18:13]
the well-being of this community.
[2:18:17]
Thank you, Miss Lee.
[2:18:24]
» Good morning, commissioners. My name is
[2:18:26]
Vonnie Vanderswag and I am I'm from um
[2:18:30]
Olive Township. I'm also a board member
[2:18:32]
for community mental health. You've
[2:18:34]
already heard a lot about both the
[2:18:37]
services that our millillage has been
[2:18:39]
able to fund and the importance of it
[2:18:42]
being on the August ballot. Um, I would
[2:18:45]
just like to add a little bit to this by
[2:18:48]
sharing with you. I was a board member
[2:18:50]
prior to our first millillage being
[2:18:53]
passed and currently I'm a board member
[2:18:55]
as well. I have seen firsthand what a
[2:18:58]
difference it has made and so I just
[2:19:01]
encourage you to put it on the ballot
[2:19:03]
for August. Um, additionally,
[2:19:08]
um, I am currently serving as the
[2:19:12]
chairperson of our finance committee.
[2:19:14]
And I just want to also assure you that
[2:19:17]
we look at all of the dollars so
[2:19:20]
carefully as we make determinations and
[2:19:23]
recommendations about how to spend them.
[2:19:25]
Just like all the funding that comes in
[2:19:27]
through Medicaid and other sources, our
[2:19:29]
millage money is looked at through a a
[2:19:32]
very close lens.
[2:19:34]
And finally, I want to thank all of you
[2:19:37]
for the work that you do and for the
[2:19:39]
support that you have given in the past
[2:19:41]
for the community mental health services
[2:19:44]
and all of our members of our community
[2:19:47]
who need that service. Thank you.
[2:19:51]
>> Thank you, Vonnie.
[2:19:53]
I know there's at least one more.
[2:19:57]
» Rosalie Austin, city of Holland. I'd
[2:20:00]
like to support the mental health
[2:20:01]
millage also and that mental health not
[2:20:04]
only serves mental health consumers but
[2:20:06]
also the intellectual developmental
[2:20:09]
disability
[2:20:10]
population that supports my daughter and
[2:20:14]
I'm thankful and grateful for our
[2:20:16]
community for putting the community in
[2:20:18]
community mental health because it's
[2:20:22]
priceless the millillage and what it
[2:20:24]
does for our community neighbors.
[2:20:29]
You can't. It's undervalued that we
[2:20:34]
can't. It's the best we can do. Okay.
[2:20:38]
Thanks.
[2:20:39]
>> Thank you, Rosalie.
[2:20:42]
Is there anyone else? Come on up.
[2:20:48]
» Good morning. Uh, Kelly Rice, Crockery
[2:20:51]
Township. Most of you know me as the
[2:20:53]
president of the Ottawa County Parks and
[2:20:54]
Recreation Commission, and I've
[2:20:56]
previously spoken about the amount of
[2:20:58]
work that parks has done to arrive at
[2:21:00]
the proposed 0.53 mill rate for the
[2:21:03]
upcoming ballot. But I'm here today to
[2:21:05]
talk to you about what parks mean to me.
[2:21:08]
Ottawa County Parks hold a special place
[2:21:10]
in my heart. Although I've lived here
[2:21:12]
for over 20 years, I've also lived all
[2:21:14]
across the country, and I've seen the
[2:21:16]
local park systems across the country,
[2:21:18]
or lack thereof. And I can tell you that
[2:21:21]
our Ottawa County parks are truly
[2:21:22]
something special. In addition to the
[2:21:25]
ecological benefits and services they
[2:21:27]
provide, such as clean water, critical
[2:21:30]
wildlife habitat, pollination services,
[2:21:33]
and storm water management, or the
[2:21:35]
physical benefits of hiking, biking, or
[2:21:38]
running in the beautiful natural
[2:21:39]
communities in open spaces. Our parks
[2:21:42]
also provide sometimes more intangible
[2:21:44]
benefits such as solace, just simple
[2:21:47]
unplugged family time, stress reduction,
[2:21:50]
and healing. I can personally vouch for
[2:21:53]
these benefits as I was diagnosed with
[2:21:55]
breast cancer in 2023.
[2:21:58]
The energy I received from the natural
[2:22:00]
world and our parks during my journey
[2:22:02]
was immeasurable. Having the privilege
[2:22:04]
to observe something as simple as a
[2:22:06]
chorus of wood frogs in the vernal pools
[2:22:09]
at Crockery Creek, a carpet of spring
[2:22:11]
wild flowers at Grand Ravines, a downy
[2:22:15]
woodpecker mama popping in and out of
[2:22:17]
her cavity next nest tree while I could
[2:22:19]
hear her babies chirping in the
[2:22:20]
background on the Grand Explorers Trail,
[2:22:23]
and an or maybe something like a native
[2:22:25]
prairie that was flowing like waves in
[2:22:27]
the wind at Upper Makatawa Natural Area.
[2:22:29]
These sometimes provided me with the
[2:22:31]
energy I needed just to simply get
[2:22:33]
through the day. And they still do. My
[2:22:36]
friend, who's also a cancer survivor and
[2:22:38]
thor organizes walks for a friend group
[2:22:40]
that I try to attend in our parks every
[2:22:42]
single week. These natural wonders make
[2:22:45]
you realize that you're an integral part
[2:22:47]
of something bigger. And these benefits
[2:22:49]
are something we should be looking to
[2:22:51]
preserve and enhance for our children,
[2:22:53]
grandchildren, and the many generations
[2:22:55]
coming after us. I hope you will all
[2:22:58]
support placement of the parks
[2:22:59]
millillage on the ballot and allow our
[2:23:01]
residents the opportunity to continue
[2:23:03]
and enhance this legacy. And since I
[2:23:06]
have a bit of time, I do want to give a
[2:23:07]
shout out. I'm very supportive of the
[2:23:09]
community mental health millage as well.
[2:23:11]
So, I would like to go on record for
[2:23:12]
saying that. Um, also a couple folks
[2:23:15]
contacted me and said they weren't able
[2:23:17]
to attend the public hearing today
[2:23:18]
because there wasn't a designated time.
[2:23:20]
And I just wanted to offer up, it may or
[2:23:22]
may not work, but at the parks
[2:23:23]
commission, we have a published time at
[2:23:25]
which the public hearing starts. So we
[2:23:27]
start the meeting at three. We have the
[2:23:29]
public hearing at 4. So we stop the
[2:23:31]
agenda where we are and just have like a
[2:23:33]
hard time so people know, especially
[2:23:35]
during the workday because some people
[2:23:37]
weren't that able to take off an
[2:23:38]
indefinite amount of time to be here
[2:23:40]
today. So just wanted to offer that up.
[2:23:42]
But thank you so much for your time and
[2:23:44]
support.
[2:23:45]
>> All right. Thank you, Kelly.
[2:23:47]
There anyone else? Come on up.
[2:23:50]
Seeing none. No, I'm kidding.
[2:23:54]
>> Story of my life.
[2:23:57]
>> Uh, good morning. I think it's still
[2:23:59]
morning. Um, Gordon Gallagher, Spring
[2:24:01]
Lake Township Manager. I promise I'll be
[2:24:04]
brief. Uh, Spring Lake Township and
[2:24:06]
Ottawa County Parks Department have a
[2:24:08]
long and productive partnership. We
[2:24:11]
deeply value the access our residents
[2:24:13]
have to high-quality parks, trails, and
[2:24:16]
natural spaces. These assets are not
[2:24:19]
just amenities. They are essential to
[2:24:21]
our residents quality of life and to the
[2:24:24]
economic vitality of our region. Parks
[2:24:27]
attract visitors, support local
[2:24:28]
business, and make our communities
[2:24:30]
places where people want to live and
[2:24:32]
invest. As our population continues to
[2:24:35]
grow, so does the demand for outdoor
[2:24:37]
recreation, environmental education, and
[2:24:41]
accessible natural areas. Without
[2:24:44]
continued investment, we risk falling
[2:24:46]
behind that demand. Investing in parks
[2:24:49]
is investing in community well-being.
[2:24:52]
Parks are places to learn, to gather,
[2:24:55]
and to spend meaningful time with
[2:24:57]
family. They are also critical to
[2:25:00]
preserving the natural resources that
[2:25:02]
define Ottawa County.
[2:25:04]
We respectfully ask that you support the
[2:25:07]
parks department by placing the
[2:25:09]
millillage requests on the ballot and
[2:25:12]
supporting their passage. Importantly,
[2:25:15]
millage dollars in Ottawa County are
[2:25:17]
leveraged with state and local grants as
[2:25:19]
well as private donations.
[2:25:22]
This multiplies the return on investment
[2:25:24]
and maximizes the benefit to our
[2:25:26]
residents and taxpayers. So again,
[2:25:30]
please put these on the ballot, but also
[2:25:32]
you have a lot of constituents. Please
[2:25:35]
consider supporting these individually
[2:25:37]
as your constituents listen to you.
[2:25:39]
Thank you.
[2:25:41]
>> Thank you, Gordon.
[2:25:42]
>> Ty. Yeah, nicely done.
[2:25:45]
>> Everybody else did a nice job, too, just
[2:25:47]
to put that on the record.
[2:25:52]
» Hello, commissioners. My name is Allison
[2:25:54]
Shamblin of Fairiesburg. Many of you
[2:25:57]
know my wonderful husband, Jason
[2:25:58]
Shamblin. I'd like to share a personal
[2:26:00]
story about what the parks mean to our
[2:26:02]
family and why the proposed increase is
[2:26:04]
really important. Over 23 years of
[2:26:07]
marriage, we've moved three different
[2:26:08]
times so my husband could further his
[2:26:10]
career in parks. Each move met new
[2:26:13]
schools, new friends, and starting over
[2:26:15]
for our family. In 2015, we visited West
[2:26:18]
Michigan on a family vacation and fell
[2:26:19]
in love with it, especially Lake
[2:26:21]
Michigan and the dunes. A few years
[2:26:24]
later in 2019, we moved here for his
[2:26:26]
role with Otto County Parks.
[2:26:28]
Our kids were 11, nine, and eight at the
[2:26:30]
time, and they didn't see it as the
[2:26:32]
dream we did. They saw it as leaving
[2:26:35]
everything they knew. Their question was
[2:26:37]
simple and honest. Why did we have to
[2:26:39]
move to Michigan for dad's job? We moved
[2:26:42]
to our home a few days before school
[2:26:43]
started, and the kids were just
[2:26:45]
beginning to adjust. And like everyone
[2:26:47]
else, March of 2020 hit, and the world
[2:26:50]
shut down. Once again, the kids question
[2:26:52]
came. Why did we move here? So, we did
[2:26:55]
what many families did. We went outside.
[2:26:58]
We explored the trails, the beaches, the
[2:27:00]
water, the woods, and all the open
[2:27:02]
spaces. We discovered places like Grand
[2:27:04]
Ravines, upper Makataba natural area,
[2:27:07]
Ottawa Sands, and Eastmanville Bayou.
[2:27:09]
And slowly things began to shift. One
[2:27:12]
evening, my husband took our two
[2:27:13]
youngest on a mission to find Virginia
[2:27:15]
blue bells. something common where we
[2:27:18]
used to live but very rare here. After
[2:27:21]
searching, they finally found them. An
[2:27:23]
entire forest floor covered in blue.
[2:27:26]
They stayed until sunset exploring,
[2:27:28]
taking photos, and enjoying it all. And
[2:27:30]
on the way back, our daughter looked up
[2:27:32]
and said, "I get it now, Dad.
[2:27:37]
I understand why we moved here. So you
[2:27:39]
could work in beautiful places like
[2:27:41]
this." He said, 'You're close, but we
[2:27:44]
moved here so I could help make sure you
[2:27:46]
could explore experience places like
[2:27:48]
this. Parks aren't just land. They're
[2:27:51]
where kids discover something bigger
[2:27:52]
than themselves. They're where families
[2:27:55]
reconnect. They're where lifelong
[2:27:57]
memories are made. That is why this
[2:27:59]
continued investment is all about. It's
[2:28:01]
about making sure that those moments are
[2:28:03]
there not just for our family, but for
[2:28:04]
every family in Ottawa County for
[2:28:06]
generations to come. Thank you for your
[2:28:08]
time.
[2:28:10]
>> Thank you, Allison.
[2:28:18]
Good morning, commissioners. Uh, my name
[2:28:19]
is Nick Smith. I currently serve as the
[2:28:21]
coordinator of visitor and business
[2:28:22]
services for Ottawa County Parks
[2:28:24]
Department. I took some time off to come
[2:28:26]
down today to share a different
[2:28:28]
perspective about the parks with you
[2:28:29]
all. Um, so I'll do that now. My name is
[2:28:32]
Nick Smith. I I have worked in parks and
[2:28:34]
recreation since 2007, starting as a
[2:28:37]
seasonal park attendant in a Metro
[2:28:38]
Detroit city park department. Since
[2:28:40]
then, I've worked at the city, township,
[2:28:42]
federal, metrop park, and county levels,
[2:28:44]
and I hold a degree in parks
[2:28:46]
administration from Central Michigan
[2:28:47]
University. And my passion has always
[2:28:49]
been operating and improving park
[2:28:51]
facilities to help people enjoy
[2:28:53]
meaningful experience outdoors and make
[2:28:55]
those special lifelong memories. Through
[2:28:58]
my statewide involvement with the
[2:28:59]
Michigan Recreation and Park
[2:29:00]
Association, as well as the Michigan
[2:29:02]
Association of County Park and Recreck
[2:29:04]
Officials, I've had the great
[2:29:05]
opportunity to work with park
[2:29:07]
professionals across Michigan.
[2:29:09]
That perspective has shown me something
[2:29:11]
very important. Ottawa County Parks are
[2:29:13]
truly exceptional.
[2:29:15]
And sometimes those of us who work in
[2:29:17]
them or live around them all the time
[2:29:19]
don't fully realize how special they
[2:29:21]
are. For roughly 30 years, Ottawa County
[2:29:24]
residents have invested in parks. And
[2:29:26]
that investment has helped create a park
[2:29:28]
system and over 7,000 acres, including
[2:29:31]
high-quality parkland, trails,
[2:29:33]
facilities, public access. It has also
[2:29:36]
helped build a professional organization
[2:29:39]
that has re sorry
[2:29:42]
uh respected across the state. Before
[2:29:44]
coming to Ottawa County, I spent eight
[2:29:46]
and a half years as the parks and
[2:29:47]
recreation director for Niggo County
[2:29:50]
where I had a very successful career
[2:29:51]
managing four campgrounds, multiple day
[2:29:53]
use parks, and helped oversee the
[2:29:56]
construction and development of
[2:29:57]
Michigan's Dragon of Hardy Dam 47 mile
[2:30:00]
multi-use trail that draws people from
[2:30:02]
all over the country.
[2:30:04]
Through that involvement, I saw uh
[2:30:07]
firsthand how parks support tourism,
[2:30:09]
local businesses, and community pride. I
[2:30:12]
also saw what happens when park systems
[2:30:14]
do not receive the same level of public
[2:30:16]
investment. Uh, NEGO County parks does
[2:30:19]
not receive um investment from the
[2:30:21]
county itself or from a millillage is
[2:30:23]
all self-funded. And because of that,
[2:30:26]
our focus was on um amenities and things
[2:30:30]
that generate revenue and not
[2:30:32]
necessarily serve the public in all the
[2:30:34]
areas we probably should. Um so that
[2:30:37]
experience strengthened my belief that
[2:30:39]
parks must be fiscally responsible but
[2:30:42]
they also must be remain focused on
[2:30:44]
public service. Parks should serve
[2:30:46]
families, seniors, children, visitors,
[2:30:49]
people with disabilities and residents
[2:30:51]
of all income levels. This is one of the
[2:30:54]
reasons I came to Ottawa County. I saw a
[2:30:56]
community that values their parks,
[2:30:58]
invests in them, and understands that
[2:31:00]
parks are a part of the quality of life,
[2:31:02]
and make people want to live here, visit
[2:31:04]
here, and return here. Ottawa County
[2:31:06]
Parks has done an excellent job using
[2:31:08]
local investment to leverage grants,
[2:31:11]
helping the public's dollars go further,
[2:31:13]
and making major projects possible.
[2:31:15]
Ottawa County has something truly
[2:31:17]
special. It did not happen by accident.
[2:31:20]
It happened by residents, leaders,
[2:31:22]
staff, and partners. Believe parks are
[2:31:25]
worth investing in. My hope is that we
[2:31:27]
will continue to recognize, protect, and
[2:31:29]
responsibly invest in that legacy for
[2:31:31]
the future generations. Thank you.
[2:31:33]
>> Thank you, Mr. Smith. Wow. That uh maybe
[2:31:37]
a little different tune there.
[2:31:39]
>> New music.
[2:31:40]
>> All right. Is there anyone else? Uh this
[2:31:43]
has been great. All right. I understand
[2:31:45]
we have an online comment and we've got
[2:31:48]
two and we're going to try this again.
[2:31:51]
Uh if it doesn't work this time because
[2:31:53]
this is the only opportunity to speak,
[2:31:55]
we will take a brief recess uh to make
[2:31:58]
sure that they have the opportunity. So
[2:32:00]
go ahead. Who have we got?
[2:32:02]
>> Kimberly.
[2:32:03]
>> Hello.
[2:32:04]
>> Oh,
[2:32:04]
>> yep. Go ahead. If you could just
[2:32:06]
jurisdiction.
[2:32:08]
>> Hello. My name is Kimberly Whittenmeer
[2:32:10]
and I'm the executive director of the
[2:32:12]
Holland Dropin Center and we as my
[2:32:16]
members and I are encouraging you to
[2:32:18]
vote for the mental health millage on
[2:32:20]
the August ballot. Um we are 100% mill
[2:32:24]
funded. So without this millillage we
[2:32:27]
would cease to exist. We are also
[2:32:30]
peerrun, meaning we have been down the
[2:32:34]
road that some of our members have,
[2:32:36]
which allows us to better support them.
[2:32:39]
Some of the things that my members would
[2:32:41]
like me to share with you is that
[2:32:43]
they've had the opportunity to serve on
[2:32:45]
the board and have personally witnessed
[2:32:48]
many success stories of others receiving
[2:32:50]
services here. Without the drop-in,
[2:32:54]
their recovery would not be in the place
[2:32:55]
it would be today. We need each other to
[2:32:58]
be there for each other because it takes
[2:33:00]
a team to succeed.
[2:33:03]
And I've often heard from members how it
[2:33:06]
has kept them out of the hospital.
[2:33:09]
Having a space to come where they truly
[2:33:11]
are stigmafree and a safe place to be is
[2:33:15]
crucial.
[2:33:16]
We meet people where they are and we
[2:33:19]
allow many opportunities for them to
[2:33:21]
participate in various activities.
[2:33:25]
It keeps their mind strong. It builds
[2:33:28]
character which helps them overcome
[2:33:30]
their illness. Many of our members like
[2:33:33]
to come multiple times a week, a few
[2:33:35]
every day.
[2:33:38]
We are in need of better and more mental
[2:33:43]
health opportunities to support our
[2:33:46]
community.
[2:33:48]
As many of you already know, our mental
[2:33:51]
health is at an all-time high in terms
[2:33:53]
of crisis, and we don't have enough
[2:33:56]
resources to reach everyone for
[2:33:59]
everything. And so, our space allows
[2:34:03]
people to come in, have a place to come
[2:34:06]
where they're welcome and accepted. Some
[2:34:09]
people who have been in recovery for a
[2:34:12]
while, um, have clinicians and etc. uh
[2:34:16]
to help them in their journey of
[2:34:18]
recovery, but the drop-in is a
[2:34:21]
non-clinical place for them to come and
[2:34:23]
many times it's the first person that
[2:34:27]
they meet to hear their story. And we
[2:34:30]
value people's voices here. We believe
[2:34:32]
everyone's voice is worthy of being
[2:34:34]
heard as well as their story. And
[2:34:37]
sometimes it's a matter of just sitting
[2:34:39]
with someone and not saying anything and
[2:34:41]
other times it's just listening. Um, and
[2:34:45]
so we just want to thank you for your
[2:34:48]
time and your consideration in hearing
[2:34:50]
from us. Um, and we just appreciate the
[2:34:54]
time you have given us. Thank you.
[2:34:58]
>> Thank you, Miss Whitmire.
[2:35:00]
>> All right. And I believe we have someone
[2:35:02]
else online.
[2:35:04]
>> The other person put their hand down, so
[2:35:05]
I think we're all set.
[2:35:06]
>> All set. They put their hand down.
[2:35:11]
All right,
[2:35:13]
we got it. Okay, thank you. Uh would uh
[2:35:17]
I would at this time entertain a motion
[2:35:19]
to close the public hearing.
[2:35:21]
>> So moved.
[2:35:23]
>> Moved by Moss, supported by Kyers, will
[2:35:25]
say. All those in favor say I.
[2:35:28]
>> I.
[2:35:28]
>> Those opposed. All right. Motion
[2:35:30]
carries.
[2:35:32]
Motion to take a short recess.
[2:35:35]
>> Got a motion for a recess. Is there a
[2:35:38]
second? We May I suggest five minutes?
[2:35:42]
>> How about 10?
[2:35:43]
>> 10 minutes of the negotiation. Sounds
[2:35:45]
great. All those in favor of a 10-minute
[2:35:47]
break, say I.
[2:35:49]
>> Those opposed?
[2:35:50]
>> I I.
[2:35:51]
>> All right. Motion carries.
[2:35:52]
>> Moving on, man.
[2:35:54]
>> Moving on.
[2:35:57]
>> I'd rather keep moving than take a half
[2:36:00]
hour break in 45 minutes.
[2:36:03]
>> But now it's off the network, so I can't
[2:36:05]
reset it.
[2:45:08]
All right. If Boy, could someone close
[2:45:11]
the door to the back, please?
[2:45:14]
>> Anyone?
[2:45:16]
>> Patrick, you got that?
[2:45:19]
welcome them in if they'd like to come
[2:45:20]
in. But
[2:45:25]
» back there,
[2:45:29]
» all right, and we will call the meeting
[2:45:31]
back to order. Um,
[2:45:34]
the April 30th, 2026 Board of
[2:45:37]
Commissioners meeting is now back in
[2:45:38]
session. Uh, item B on our agenda is the
[2:45:41]
CH and parks and open space ballot
[2:45:45]
language. Uh, this will be a roll call
[2:45:47]
vote. Uh suggested motion is to adopt
[2:45:50]
the resolution approving the ballot
[2:45:51]
language to place the renewal and the
[2:45:53]
restoration of the 10year 0.30 mil
[2:45:58]
dedicated millillage for community
[2:46:00]
mental health on the August 4, 2026
[2:46:03]
ballot. the renewal and restoration of
[2:46:05]
the 10-year 0.33 mil dedicated
[2:46:09]
millillage for the parks and open space
[2:46:12]
on August 4, 2026 ballot and placing the
[2:46:16]
10-year 0.20 mil increase dedicated
[2:46:20]
millillage for the parks and open space
[2:46:23]
on the November 3, 2026 ballot. Would
[2:46:27]
anyone care to make that motion? make
[2:46:29]
that motion or
[2:46:31]
>> motion by Kyers and I think I had
[2:46:33]
Jorrettzma as the support
[2:46:35]
we will open up for discussion. Um I
[2:46:39]
think uh just protocol-wise Commissioner
[2:46:42]
Kyers I don't know if you were prepared
[2:46:43]
but making the motion you are welcome to
[2:46:45]
start off.
[2:46:46]
>> Perfect. Thank you. Yes, I'd like to uh
[2:46:49]
um supported this. I think the parks did
[2:46:51]
a really good job um starting off with
[2:46:54]
um the 0.53 and I know there was not
[2:46:58]
agreement with that. So all we did was
[2:47:00]
separate them and Jason did a really
[2:47:01]
good job of separating discussion with
[2:47:03]
our work sessions and came at a really
[2:47:05]
good solution here that we would give
[2:47:07]
the voters the chance to uh have the say
[2:47:10]
in in November. And I know there were
[2:47:12]
some concerns about having it all in
[2:47:14]
November and I'm I think we split it
[2:47:15]
both ways which is a compromise also.
[2:47:17]
So, I'll be in favor of this uh this motion.
[2:47:21]
>> All right. Thanks, Commissioner Kyers.
[2:47:23]
Anyone else? I think I saw Joe uh
[2:47:25]
earlier. Go ahead, Joe.
[2:47:26]
>> Yeah, thank you. I'll just start by
[2:47:27]
echoing some of what Commissioner Kyers
[2:47:29]
just said. Uh I know that there has been
[2:47:32]
some discussion and maybe a little bit
[2:47:34]
of concern about putting a 0 53 in
[2:47:36]
August. So, I appreciate the the change.
[2:47:39]
Um I believe that there's strong support
[2:47:42]
for the two August millages that are in
[2:47:45]
this motion. And I think most of the
[2:47:47]
discussion that might happen today is
[2:47:49]
probably about the increase. So uh what
[2:47:52]
I would like to do is uh make a motion
[2:47:55]
to divide this question and uh have the
[2:47:58]
first vote on the two renewals and a
[2:48:02]
second vote on the increase.
[2:48:04]
>> Would you take a friendly amendment to
[2:48:06]
having it divided three ways?
[2:48:09]
>> I would be happy to divide it three
[2:48:11]
ways. Um
[2:48:13]
>> I would support that motion.
[2:48:15]
>> Okay. Okay. So, we have a motion on the
[2:48:17]
table to divide item B into three
[2:48:20]
separate motions.
[2:48:22]
I'm going to say one regarding the
[2:48:25]
community mental health millage with
[2:48:27]
the.3 ms, one vote regarding the 10-year
[2:48:31]
33 mil for parks and open space and an
[2:48:34]
additional one for the 2 mil increase uh
[2:48:37]
for parks and open space. I articulated
[2:48:39]
that about right?
[2:48:41]
>> Yes.
[2:48:41]
>> All right. And we've got a second by
[2:48:43]
Commissioner Mima. We'll open for
[2:48:44]
discussion. Uh, Commissioner Moss.
[2:48:46]
>> Yep. I believe that if we move forward
[2:48:48]
with this uh now that we could im
[2:48:51]
probably immediately handle the first
[2:48:53]
two
[2:48:54]
>> and I think that would be very good for
[2:48:57]
CH. I think it'd be very good for parks.
[2:48:59]
>> Okay. Anyone else?
[2:49:02]
>> Uh, Commissioner Rodie. Um, on that
[2:49:04]
particular motion, I would say that I I
[2:49:06]
agree with it because I I think that we
[2:49:09]
may have, you know, pretty universal
[2:49:12]
support or large support on these two
[2:49:15]
items. And by putting them all together,
[2:49:19]
um, I think you're probably you might
[2:49:21]
not obtain a full, you know, a unanimous
[2:49:24]
vote on some of these things. And so
[2:49:26]
where where we have agreement, I think
[2:49:28]
it's good to be able to demonstrate that
[2:49:30]
to the community. I know I will not be
[2:49:32]
able to vote yes on each of these, but I
[2:49:35]
don't want to have to vote no on all of
[2:49:37]
them by them being combined.
[2:49:40]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Toples.
[2:49:41]
>> I agree. I have no problem splitting
[2:49:43]
this. Um I think the public also has a
[2:49:45]
right to hear the positions of each
[2:49:47]
commissioner on each one of these
[2:49:49]
issues.
[2:49:50]
>> Anyone else? Commissioner Mima,
[2:49:52]
>> I echo exactly what Commissioner Tles
[2:49:54]
just said.
[2:49:56]
>> All right. Anyone else? Commissioner
[2:49:58]
Barry. Uh I personally
[2:50:00]
>> you leaned
[2:50:00]
>> I personally like the uh putting this
[2:50:04]
together. I think uh the two renewals um
[2:50:07]
going together I I think for the benefit
[2:50:10]
of voters to see that those two issues
[2:50:13]
being renewed
[2:50:15]
um and pushing the increase into the
[2:50:18]
November ballot. Um I think it's a
[2:50:21]
little easier to understand for uh for
[2:50:24]
voters. Uh I'm comfortable with the
[2:50:27]
language in the um uh proposal as
[2:50:30]
presented. Uh however, I would like to
[2:50:33]
get as close to a um unanimous vote on
[2:50:37]
these issues as we possibly can. And if
[2:50:39]
we have to break this up to get there, I
[2:50:41]
guess I'm willing to do that. But
[2:50:44]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner
[2:50:45]
Barry. Anyone else?
[2:50:47]
>> All right. I'll throw my two cents out.
[2:50:49]
Um, I would be in favor of splitting
[2:50:51]
these, putting parks as one and CH as
[2:50:54]
the second one, but both millages with
[2:50:55]
parks. I think a lot of extra effort
[2:50:58]
went into the compromise that resulted
[2:50:59]
in the.3 and the point 2, and I would
[2:51:02]
hate to see that compromise uh taken
[2:51:06]
down by people voting against one or the
[2:51:08]
other of those two options. So, on the
[2:51:10]
motion on the table, I'll be voting no,
[2:51:12]
but we'll see what happens after that.
[2:51:15]
>> Made me think of one thing for what you
[2:51:17]
just said, Commissioner. Um, Buger, I
[2:51:20]
one of the reasons I want them to be
[2:51:22]
divided is because I am for sure in
[2:51:25]
support of a couple of them and I think
[2:51:27]
there's one one that I want to have
[2:51:29]
further discussion on and I do want to
[2:51:33]
show support for sure where I'm at.
[2:51:35]
>> Okay, thank you. All right, let's uh
[2:51:38]
might as well do a roll call vote. Um,
[2:51:39]
Rachel, if you'd take the role.
[2:51:43]
>> And this is just to divide, correct?
[2:51:45]
>> Correct. The motion to the motion on the
[2:51:46]
table is to divide.
[2:51:47]
>> Mr. Bonama
[2:51:48]
>> into three threes.
[2:51:49]
>> Three.
[2:51:51]
>> Yes.
[2:51:52]
>> Mr. Dortzma.
[2:51:53]
>> No.
[2:51:53]
>> Mr. Toples.
[2:51:54]
>> Yes.
[2:51:55]
>> Mrs. Nema?
[2:51:56]
>> Yes.
[2:51:56]
>> Mrs. Wel?
[2:51:57]
>> Yes.
[2:51:58]
>> Mr. Barry?
[2:51:59]
>> Uh, yes.
[2:52:00]
>> Mrs. Broie,
[2:52:01]
>> yes.
[2:52:01]
>> Mr. Moss,
[2:52:03]
>> yes.
[2:52:03]
>> Mr. Zystra,
[2:52:04]
>> no.
[2:52:05]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[2:52:06]
>> yes.
[2:52:07]
>> Mr. Buger,
[2:52:08]
>> no.
[2:52:09]
>> Motion passes.
[2:52:10]
>> Okay. So, we will do these one at a
[2:52:12]
time. Uh, may I suggest um boy, do we
[2:52:16]
need to make another motion here, Ron,
[2:52:17]
or are we how how can we clarify this as
[2:52:20]
far as procedure goes?
[2:52:21]
>> Well, I think you could just take them
[2:52:23]
in the order that they're in the
[2:52:24]
resolution.
[2:52:25]
>> All right, so we'll do the first one on
[2:52:27]
the table, which will be the.3 mil
[2:52:29]
dedicated millillage for CH to place
[2:52:31]
that on the ballot for August 4th, 2026.
[2:52:34]
>> So moved.
[2:52:35]
>> Support.
[2:52:36]
>> All right, we've got a Do we need a
[2:52:38]
motion in a second on that round? Was
[2:52:39]
that We did that correct? Okay. All
[2:52:40]
right. Sorry. I know I just asked the
[2:52:42]
same question twice. Apologies. Uh,
[2:52:44]
Commissioner Kyers, um, motioned and
[2:52:46]
Commissioner Moss second it.
[2:52:47]
Commissioner Kyers, one more time, sir.
[2:52:49]
>> I think it's pretty obvious this morning
[2:52:50]
with the discussion and what we got
[2:52:52]
going here in our county and support we
[2:52:54]
need for the mental health is it's it's
[2:52:56]
just a a yes vote for me.
[2:52:59]
>> All right. Thank you, sir. Anyone else?
[2:53:01]
Commissioner Moss,
[2:53:02]
>> I'll echo that and say that um there's
[2:53:04]
currently a large change happening um
[2:53:06]
with converting CH from a department to
[2:53:08]
an authority and maintaining the current
[2:53:10]
millillage also helps with the stability
[2:53:12]
during that change.
[2:53:14]
>> Thank you, sir. Commissioner Mina,
[2:53:16]
>> um I also support the millillage. I do
[2:53:18]
still have one remaining question that I
[2:53:20]
don't believe was answered um during our
[2:53:23]
work session. I made a request that we
[2:53:26]
could uh make sure that we were being
[2:53:28]
proactive so that 10 years from now,
[2:53:30]
whoever's sitting here um has the option
[2:53:34]
to having it on the November ballot
[2:53:36]
without it affecting residents as what
[2:53:38]
was demonstrated here today by um
[2:53:40]
certain individ individuals sharing from
[2:53:43]
the YMCA and others sharing that if it
[2:53:45]
wasn't on the August ballot that there
[2:53:47]
there's a service gap. And so I I do
[2:53:50]
still have that remaining question if if
[2:53:52]
we are looking ahead with this ballot
[2:53:55]
language of being proactive looking
[2:53:57]
ahead 10 years from now. And so I would
[2:53:59]
like that question answered before the
[2:54:01]
vote today.
[2:54:04]
>> Sorry, could you clarify your question
[2:54:06]
just for a moment and we'll ask legal
[2:54:08]
Ron if you're about ready for it. Say
[2:54:09]
that one more time, Commissioner Mima,
[2:54:11]
please.
[2:54:12]
>> I think
[2:54:12]
>> you don't have to do the whole thing.
[2:54:13]
Just the question.
[2:54:16]
Can you
[2:54:16]
>> My question is is will the
[2:54:21]
I don't know if it's the ballot language
[2:54:24]
um I I think that would be the case the
[2:54:26]
ballot language um or whatever needs to
[2:54:28]
take place
[2:54:30]
to make sure that we're not in the same
[2:54:32]
predicament 10 years from now
[2:54:35]
um saying that we can't put it on the
[2:54:37]
November ballot because we have a
[2:54:40]
service gap. And so that's because 10
[2:54:43]
years ago we put this on.
[2:54:47]
>> Does that make sense? What I might be
[2:54:49]
able I might be able to help you out
[2:54:51]
with that and maybe Dr. Bashers can as
[2:54:53]
well. But um I believe some of that can
[2:54:56]
be done by pacing the expenditure of the
[2:54:59]
funds that come in so that they would go
[2:55:02]
up, you know, and be be spent up until
[2:55:05]
the the November election. And Dr.
[2:55:09]
can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't
[2:55:10]
think it's necessarily something that
[2:55:12]
has to happen with this, but it can
[2:55:15]
happen with planning within CH itself.
[2:55:18]
>> And and I'm I'm not sure are we if you
[2:55:22]
don't mind answering I I'm not sure are
[2:55:24]
we going to have a much of a gap with
[2:55:26]
some of those services,
[2:55:30]
» right?
[2:55:36]
TH board just approved extending all of
[2:55:39]
the programs that were supposed to end.
[2:55:41]
They were onetime funding this um on May
[2:55:44]
1st to September 30th.
[2:55:47]
So there could potentially be an issue
[2:55:50]
if it if there's an issue in August,
[2:55:53]
which I'm not anticipating, but we can
[2:55:55]
deal with some of those of your concerns
[2:55:58]
contractually with the providers and so
[2:56:00]
they know
[2:56:02]
>> when they're like I gave adequate notice
[2:56:04]
to all of them months ago saying this
[2:56:06]
could happen. Let's prepare for that.
[2:56:09]
And we can also have a strategy of
[2:56:12]
saving millage in reserve
[2:56:15]
>> to extend out to cover any issues as
[2:56:18]
well. I'm fine with August for this
[2:56:20]
time, but going forward, it would be
[2:56:23]
great if I I understand that's 10 years
[2:56:26]
out, but
[2:56:28]
>> there's no reason why we can't address
[2:56:30]
it now once we once we're in that period
[2:56:33]
and demonstrate protections to both the citizens and the programs and for
[2:56:39]
you. So, we're not in that situation.
[2:56:41]
>> All right. Thank you, Dr. Commissioner
[2:56:44]
Ro. I know that Commissioner Barry does
[2:56:45]
have his hand up, so go ahead quickly.
[2:56:47]
Sorry. And I believe that we're we're
[2:56:49]
adjusting contract years on some of
[2:56:52]
those. So, we could simply adjust
[2:56:54]
>> correct
[2:56:54]
>> that. Okay.
[2:56:55]
>> Yes.
[2:56:55]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Barry.
[2:56:56]
>> I I guess my question was uh how does
[2:56:58]
this line up with um fiscal year on
[2:57:02]
funding?
[2:57:05]
» I don't know who to direct that question
[2:57:06]
to, Commissioner Barry. Uh maybe that is
[2:57:09]
uh Oh, Doug. Uh
[2:57:13]
Dr.
[2:57:16]
take a shot at it.
[2:57:17]
>> All right.
[2:57:19]
>> So, legally the the levy occurs in
[2:57:23]
December. So, a vote in no August or
[2:57:27]
November doesn't affect the levy. Okay.
[2:57:31]
It affects budgeting. So under the
[2:57:35]
Uniform Budgeting and Accounting Act in
[2:57:39]
September,
[2:57:42]
the Mental Health Board cannot
[2:57:45]
appropriate
[2:57:47]
into October and beyond
[2:57:51]
with funds it doesn't have. Now, if it's
[2:57:56]
ex if it has a levy that will occur in
[2:57:59]
December, it can freely appropriate
[2:58:02]
uh with these contracts indefinitely
[2:58:05]
into that fiscal year. If it doesn't
[2:58:09]
know in by the August election that it's
[2:58:13]
going to have those funds, the best it
[2:58:15]
could do would be to appropriate a
[2:58:18]
budget
[2:58:20]
recognizing that it might be extending
[2:58:23]
some of these contracts and coming up
[2:58:26]
with some funding to show that if the
[2:58:29]
millage doesn't occur, it yet is not
[2:58:32]
going to deficit spend. So, it puts a
[2:58:36]
real burden on Michael and his staff for
[2:58:40]
budgeting for the next fiscal year if
[2:58:44]
they don't know in August that they're
[2:58:47]
going to have the millage funds
[2:58:48]
available.
[2:58:49]
>> I think that carries risk to the
[2:58:51]
organization to do do that.
[2:58:54]
>> And just to clarify, we're not proposing
[2:58:56]
any language changes to the U ballot
[2:59:00]
initiative in order to create that. Uh,
[2:59:02]
Commissioner Roodie just wants to make
[2:59:04]
sure that should a future board wish to
[2:59:06]
put this on a November ballot, they
[2:59:07]
would be able to do so. There's a
[2:59:09]
mechanism. Is that an accurate
[2:59:10]
statement?
[2:59:11]
>> I agree. And that's just that is a
[2:59:13]
budgeting and planning decision. We
[2:59:15]
don't have play we don't have ability to
[2:59:17]
play with the date of the vote or the uh purpose of the uh millillage
[2:59:24]
proceeds. So uh that is what it is.
[2:59:27]
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.
[2:59:29]
>> Any problems with technology right now?
[2:59:31]
It says preparing live stream.
[2:59:36]
» We've had that up for quite a while.
[2:59:38]
Unfortunately, without rebooting, I'm
[2:59:40]
not sure I can make that go away.
[2:59:42]
>> Is it recording?
[2:59:43]
>> It is. We double checked.
[2:59:45]
>> Yeah. All right. Thank you. Any other
[2:59:47]
questions on the CH mill or comments? Um
[2:59:49]
I think Yeah, Commissioner Rodie, go for
[2:59:51]
it.
[2:59:51]
>> I just have some comments. Um I just
[2:59:53]
want to say that um I do support this
[2:59:56]
millillage um with rigorous
[2:59:58]
accountability and utilization data
[3:00:01]
about what the mill is used for which I
[3:00:04]
have seen um CH uh begin to require and
[3:00:08]
to utilize and making um decisions on
[3:00:12]
what to do with millillage funds. Um, so
[3:00:14]
I think there's now high accountability
[3:00:17]
and um and and some good decision-
[3:00:21]
making going on there. Um, the needs in
[3:00:24]
our community have changed um from when
[3:00:26]
the millillage was passed 10 years ago
[3:00:28]
and there are new beautiful new and
[3:00:30]
effective services that it's now funding
[3:00:33]
which I very strongly support. Um I've
[3:00:36]
also seen it used effectively to support
[3:00:38]
Iikus um for some of its prior purposes
[3:00:41]
in my area. So, um I think it's very
[3:00:44]
worthwhile and um I will be encouraging
[3:00:48]
my community to support it.
[3:00:51]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Rodie.
[3:00:52]
Commissioner Deeples.
[3:00:53]
>> Um I'm not going to reiterate kind of
[3:00:56]
where I've been for the last year on
[3:00:57]
this issue. U I'm a huge supporter of
[3:00:59]
our county's CH. Uh and uh I I trust Dr.
[3:01:05]
Brchur's. I felt that I've I've tested
[3:01:07]
him many times over the last year uh on
[3:01:10]
your fiscal responsibility and prudence.
[3:01:12]
I trust your board uh the people that
[3:01:15]
have been this board has put on your
[3:01:16]
board. Uh so I think this is u a great
[3:01:20]
thing. Uh I'm 100% support of this of
[3:01:25]
this motion.
[3:01:26]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner
[3:01:27]
Debbles. Anyone else?
[3:01:30]
All right. I'll just add uh that I am
[3:01:32]
fully in support of this as well. I
[3:01:34]
think if anything, today's speakers did
[3:01:37]
a fabulous job advocating on behalf of
[3:01:39]
the CH Mill and absolutely underscored
[3:01:42]
the purpose and the reason for it. Our
[3:01:44]
job is to put it on the ballot for
[3:01:46]
voters to ultimately decide and my hope
[3:01:48]
is that voters will vote in favor of
[3:01:50]
this message. So with that, uh, Miss
[3:01:53]
Sanchez, would you care to call the
[3:01:55]
role?
[3:01:56]
>> Sure. Mr. Kyers,
[3:01:57]
>> yes.
[3:01:57]
>> Mr. Moss,
[3:01:58]
>> yes.
[3:01:59]
>> Mrs. Midama,
[3:02:00]
>> yes.
[3:02:00]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[3:02:01]
>> yes.
[3:02:02]
>> Mr. Barry,
[3:02:03]
>> yes. Mr. Zystra,
[3:02:04]
>> yes.
[3:02:05]
>> Mr. Toples,
[3:02:06]
>> yes.
[3:02:06]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:02:07]
>> yes.
[3:02:08]
>> Mrs. Roadie,
[3:02:09]
>> yes.
[3:02:09]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[3:02:10]
>> yes.
[3:02:11]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:02:12]
>> yes.
[3:02:12]
>> Motion passes.
[3:02:13]
>> All right. Thank you. And then up next,
[3:02:15]
we will have I guess we'll do the
[3:02:17]
suggested motion would be to
[3:02:20]
place on the ballot the renewal and
[3:02:22]
restoration of the 10-year 0.33 mil
[3:02:26]
dedic mill dedicated millillage for the
[3:02:28]
parks and open space on the August 4,
[3:02:30]
2026 ballot. So moved.
[3:02:34]
>> All right. Motion by Moss, support by
[3:02:36]
George, Commissioner Moss. Go for it.
[3:02:39]
>> I support the motion.
[3:02:42]
>> Thank you for uh the amazing work that
[3:02:44]
Parks has done. And we'll keep this
[3:02:46]
short.
[3:02:47]
>> All right. Thank you. Uh Commissioner
[3:02:49]
Dors, may you second to that. Would you
[3:02:50]
care to comment or
[3:02:52]
>> I would agree. I'm I'm very appreciative
[3:02:54]
to Jason for uh I sat down with him and
[3:02:56]
we kind of talked through their plan and
[3:02:59]
I feel very confident that parks is in
[3:03:02]
strong hands and has good leadership
[3:03:05]
over there. So, thanks Jason and rest
[3:03:07]
the parks commission.
[3:03:08]
>> All right. Thank you, commissioner.
[3:03:10]
Anyone else?
[3:03:11]
>> Uh Commissioner Toples.
[3:03:12]
>> So, I'm going to reiterate what I
[3:03:13]
basically just said about the the
[3:03:15]
management of CH. Um what I've seen with
[3:03:18]
parks and the administration under under
[3:03:20]
Jason's uh watch is a consistent
[3:03:25]
proactive forthought
[3:03:28]
approach to running this
[3:03:31]
business, this community serviceoriented
[3:03:34]
business. Um I think your board's
[3:03:36]
fantastic. Um the communication also I
[3:03:40]
think is excellent um not only to the
[3:03:42]
community but to this board and we've
[3:03:44]
seen this time and time again. Um I I
[3:03:48]
think you know so often when we have
[3:03:50]
governmental agencies run things we
[3:03:52]
wonder are we getting our bang for the
[3:03:54]
buck? Is the money being spent wisely?
[3:03:57]
Those kind of questions fundamental
[3:03:59]
questions. Um I have absolutely no
[3:04:01]
quarrel with how you and your team have
[3:04:04]
done this your work. It's fantastic. So,
[3:04:07]
I will also be supporting this.
[3:04:10]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Deeples. Anyone
[3:04:12]
else? Commissioner Kyers.
[3:04:13]
>> Yeah. Um, I can't say enough about parks
[3:04:16]
and and how I approve of parks and what
[3:04:18]
we do at parks. I've been on the parks
[3:04:20]
longer than any commissioner has and
[3:04:22]
I've seen what they've done and how
[3:04:23]
they've grown and what they do to our
[3:04:25]
community. This goes handinhand with CH
[3:04:28]
Mill because it is part of what um
[3:04:30]
controls people in their minds and their
[3:04:31]
bodies. heard about that this morning,
[3:04:34]
especially from Kelly, how it affects
[3:04:35]
you when you have trials in your life.
[3:04:37]
So, um, I'll be supporting this. Thank
[3:04:39]
you.
[3:04:40]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner.
[3:04:41]
Anyone else?
[3:04:43]
All right. I will just echo what has
[3:04:45]
been said here that I am fully in
[3:04:47]
support of placing this millillage on
[3:04:48]
the ballot before the voters, and I do
[3:04:51]
hope that they will vote in support of
[3:04:52]
it. Our parks are an absolute treasure,
[3:04:55]
and it takes uh community support to
[3:04:59]
create that treasure and to maintain it.
[3:05:01]
So, I hope that uh our our citizens will
[3:05:03]
vote in favor of this. Uh with that,
[3:05:05]
Miss Sanchez, would you call the role?
[3:05:06]
>> Just for clarification on the motion
[3:05:08]
itself, it has to read at the beginning
[3:05:10]
to approve to adopt a resolution
[3:05:13]
approving the ballot language. Correct,
[3:05:15]
Mr. Bulchie.
[3:05:17]
>> Correct. Correct. Okay.
[3:05:18]
>> Yeah. I apologize. I did not articulate
[3:05:19]
that. You're right.
[3:05:20]
>> I just wanted to make sure. So, that's
[3:05:21]
what I put in there. Okay. Perfect. Mrs.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Tles.
[3:05:25]
>> Yes.
[3:05:25]
>> Mr. Zystra.
[3:05:27]
>> Yes.
[3:05:27]
>> Mr. Kyers.
[3:05:28]
>> Yes.
[3:05:29]
>> Mr. Barry.
[3:05:30]
>> Yes. Mr. Moss,
[3:05:31]
>> yes.
[3:05:32]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[3:05:33]
>> yes.
[3:05:33]
>> Mrs. Roadie,
[3:05:34]
>> yes.
[3:05:35]
>> Mrs. Midima,
[3:05:36]
>> yes.
[3:05:36]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:05:37]
>> yes.
[3:05:38]
>> Mrs. Wzel,
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>> yes.
[3:05:39]
>> Mr. Buger,
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>> yes.
[3:05:41]
>> Motion passes.
[3:05:43]
>> All right. Thank you. Up next, we have a
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guess we'll read the suggested motion is
[3:05:47]
to place on the ballot and to approve
[3:05:48]
the placement on the ballot. Did I say
[3:05:50]
that correctly, Rachel? Of the
[3:05:56]
uh 10year 0.20 20 mil increase dedicated
[3:06:00]
millillage for the parks and open space
[3:06:02]
on the November 3, 2026 ballot. Is there
[3:06:05]
a motion?
[3:06:07]
>> A motion by Ky, support by Joritzma and
[3:06:11]
uh boy, Phil getting a lot of activity
[3:06:13]
today.
[3:06:14]
>> Thank you.
[3:06:14]
>> Right over to you, sir. Um, you know, I we talked about with our work sessions
[3:06:19]
and and the parks did a lot of work and
[3:06:22]
a lot of surveys and and got really good
[3:06:24]
feedback from what our community wanted
[3:06:27]
and and what they treasure in Ottawa
[3:06:29]
County and the parks do make Ottawa
[3:06:31]
County what it is. I mean, I've sat on a
[3:06:33]
lot of interview committees and people
[3:06:34]
that interview um they've literally
[3:06:36]
moved here because of the parks. So, I
[3:06:39]
think separating this gives the people
[3:06:41]
the choice that our board wanted because
[3:06:44]
we didn't uh we didn't want it all in
[3:06:46]
one because we thought it was too much
[3:06:48]
to ask um tax increase and I understand
[3:06:51]
that. But to give them the decision that
[3:06:53]
they want and put it forward to them, I
[3:06:55]
think is a perfect compromise. So, I
[3:06:57]
would definitely be supporting this.
[3:06:59]
Thank you.
[3:07:00]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Uh anyone else?
[3:07:02]
Uh Commissioner Rodie?
[3:07:03]
>> Yes. Um, so I I absolutely love our
[3:07:07]
parks and I think it's um always amazing
[3:07:11]
when we can give our kids and our
[3:07:12]
community the opportunity to get out
[3:07:14]
into God's creation and it's certainly
[3:07:18]
um helpful to all of us in many regards
[3:07:21]
um for that. Um I am concerned with um
[3:07:26]
continuing to add to the tax burden on
[3:07:28]
our citizens. And one of one of the
[3:07:31]
reasons that um that it concerns me is
[3:07:35]
we're you know we're seeing a lot of
[3:07:37]
movements throughout our state um a lot
[3:07:39]
of indications that uh the property
[3:07:42]
taxation has just become too much. And
[3:07:45]
we see that through um you know there
[3:07:48]
was the acts by tax initiative. Uh we
[3:07:50]
were in Lancing this week and they were
[3:07:52]
talking about um the popup tax relief.
[3:07:55]
You know, the population is making, you
[3:08:00]
know, is making it known that they are
[3:08:02]
stressed by property taxes and um we
[3:08:06]
wouldn't be seeing things on a statewide
[3:08:09]
um basis happening to try to reform
[3:08:11]
property tax if citizens didn't feel
[3:08:14]
like it was becoming too much. And so
[3:08:17]
I'm particularly concerned about our
[3:08:20]
young people who um you know, we talk
[3:08:22]
about affordable housing and people um
[3:08:25]
being able to um buy homes. I'm also
[3:08:28]
concerned about our our elderly and some
[3:08:31]
of them can't even downsize um to a
[3:08:34]
smaller home to open up their home, you
[3:08:36]
know, so we can have that movement
[3:08:38]
through the market um because if they
[3:08:40]
did that, their property taxes will
[3:08:42]
increase so much that they can't they
[3:08:44]
can't afford to downsize. So, um, that's my concern on this. I love our
[3:08:50]
parks, but, um, I think that we are
[3:08:54]
possibly getting to the point where
[3:08:56]
we're we're starting to ask too much of
[3:08:58]
our people when it comes to property
[3:08:59]
taxes. I'm also cognizant of the fact
[3:09:02]
that we have a 044 mill for our 911 call
[3:09:06]
center. That's not coming up for a vote
[3:09:08]
anytime soon. But, you know, we have
[3:09:10]
critical services that have to that are essential that are needed that we have to um you know, fund
[3:09:18]
through through millages. Um so, so
[3:09:21]
while I love our parks, um I think that sometimes we also have to
[3:09:27]
prioritize where our people are at and
[3:09:29]
what they can personally afford. And to
[3:09:31]
me, I I feel like we're we're at our
[3:09:33]
limit. So, I'm not going to be able to
[3:09:35]
vote yes on this one.
[3:09:36]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner
[3:09:37]
Roodie. Uh, Commissioner Wenszel.
[3:09:39]
>> Um, I agree with Sylvia. Um, our parks
[3:09:42]
are beautiful. I use them. Our family
[3:09:45]
uses them. All of our kids use them. We
[3:09:47]
love them. Um, but I'm hearing from
[3:09:49]
individuals right now about being so
[3:09:51]
strapped financially. Um, and how just
[3:09:54]
expensive life is. And just this
[3:09:56]
morning, I received a text message with
[3:09:58]
a picture of
[3:10:02]
the screen when an individual purchased
[3:10:05]
gas and to fill their tank for the
[3:10:08]
vehicle that they needed to use for
[3:10:10]
work.
[3:10:11]
It was, I think, if I'm remembering
[3:10:13]
correctly, like $150. It was insane. Um,
[3:10:16]
and this is a young individual. I think
[3:10:19]
that our parks are amazing as they are
[3:10:22]
without any more increases. All right.
[3:10:25]
Thank you, Commissioner. Uh,
[3:10:27]
Commissioner Baron,
[3:10:28]
>> just a few thoughts I've got on this.
[3:10:29]
Uh, I think, um, parks have demonstrated
[3:10:32]
they're good stewards with the resources
[3:10:34]
they've been given. Um, I think there's
[3:10:37]
probably universal, um, feeling that,
[3:10:40]
uh, the parks we have are really
[3:10:42]
special. Uh I think having this increase
[3:10:45]
put out as a separate vote uh allows
[3:10:48]
parks to make the case to voters what
[3:10:51]
they would do with the money and uh then
[3:10:54]
voters would be able to decide whether
[3:10:56]
that that
[3:10:58]
cost whether you look at that as a cost
[3:10:59]
or an investment is worth it. Um
[3:11:03]
the whole property tax question in
[3:11:06]
general though was kind of interesting
[3:11:07]
and I talked about this on WHTC last
[3:11:10]
week. There is a populist movement uh
[3:11:13]
regarding property taxes and uh I said
[3:11:17]
on the air that property taxes are the
[3:11:21]
only tax that voters get to vote on
[3:11:24]
themselves. All the other taxes are
[3:11:27]
handed down to them, but property taxes
[3:11:29]
you get to vote on. Those are also the
[3:11:31]
only tax revenue that stays within your
[3:11:35]
county or school district or township.
[3:11:38]
Um, it it's a direct benefit to the
[3:11:41]
taxpayers, the money that comes from
[3:11:43]
property taxes. I don't know why we
[3:11:45]
don't roll back sales tax. I don't know
[3:11:47]
why we don't reduce the gas tax. I don't
[3:11:50]
there's a lot of things you could take a
[3:11:52]
look at. I don't I'm not exactly sure
[3:11:54]
why the focus is is so intent on
[3:11:56]
property taxes, but anyway, in this
[3:11:59]
case, I I think um parks have been great
[3:12:01]
stewards and I think uh voters should
[3:12:04]
have the opportunity to decide whether
[3:12:06]
that's uh an investment they care to
[3:12:07]
make.
[3:12:08]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner
[3:12:09]
Mima,
[3:12:11]
>> um I first just really loved hearing
[3:12:14]
from the um
[3:12:16]
all our constituents, all the people who
[3:12:18]
live here. They had so many um beautiful
[3:12:22]
stories to share about parks. I echo
[3:12:24]
many of those. Um my family and I use
[3:12:27]
parks on a very regular basis. That was
[3:12:30]
part of my last job was teaching a
[3:12:31]
nature-based preschool program um
[3:12:34]
working with outdoor discovery center.
[3:12:36]
And so I can't say enough good about our
[3:12:38]
parks. Um this has been a topic that I
[3:12:41]
have spent a lot of time wrestling with.
[3:12:43]
Um, and I think where I've where I've
[3:12:47]
landed is I believe that we can honor
[3:12:53]
the overall thoughts of many of the um
[3:12:57]
people that shared their their desire to
[3:13:00]
continue our great parks. If we don't
[3:13:02]
vote today for um putting an increase on
[3:13:05]
our
[3:13:07]
um on our residents on the millillage,
[3:13:09]
that does not mean that our parks are
[3:13:12]
all of a sudden going to
[3:13:14]
um not be of good standing. If you look
[3:13:17]
at all the things in the 33 millillage
[3:13:19]
rate, line by line by line, it is
[3:13:22]
continuing to do the great work that has
[3:13:24]
been happening here already. Um, when
[3:13:27]
you look at the 0.53,
[3:13:30]
I think there's some really good
[3:13:32]
thoughts there. I think there's some
[3:13:34]
really good hopes. Um I look at it a
[3:13:36]
little bit as when I in to a much um
[3:13:40]
lesser degree each year I had to put
[3:13:43]
together a budget for my own classroom
[3:13:45]
and I started broad and then that slowly
[3:13:49]
got um brought down and some years I got
[3:13:52]
to have more brought in and some years I
[3:13:55]
did not. And what I'm sensing um our
[3:14:00]
role is as a board of commissioner and
[3:14:01]
why we why we have to vote for a
[3:14:04]
millillage to even go on a ballot is
[3:14:07]
because we we should have a broader
[3:14:09]
purview
[3:14:11]
of everything all at once. So we we are
[3:14:14]
the ones that are looking at the
[3:14:15]
budgets. We're looking at the things
[3:14:17]
that are coming before us in a little
[3:14:20]
bit from the 911 call center. we're able
[3:14:23]
to look at the different um things in
[3:14:25]
our community that are affected by
[3:14:27]
school millages. We have a better caveat
[3:14:30]
of understanding sometimes the whole
[3:14:33]
scope and sometimes when it comes on a
[3:14:35]
ballot just for a couple things at a
[3:14:37]
time, people aren't stopping to think
[3:14:39]
about I said yes to this here, I said
[3:14:43]
yes to this over here. And so I do think
[3:14:45]
it's we have a greater responsibility
[3:14:48]
as commissioners to
[3:14:51]
properly um understand what we're
[3:14:53]
actually voting for. And and when I hear
[3:14:56]
people say that they can't afford to
[3:14:59]
live here at the moment. I I want people
[3:15:01]
to come
[3:15:03]
to continue to enjoy our parks. One of
[3:15:05]
the things we've been known for is
[3:15:06]
people move here because of our parks.
[3:15:08]
But if we can't have an affordable place
[3:15:10]
to live, then people are no longer
[3:15:11]
moving in to enjoy our parks.
[3:15:14]
Can I personally afford a an additional
[3:15:16]
increase for my family? Yes. But I think
[3:15:18]
there's many people here that don't feel
[3:15:21]
like they're in that spot. And I think
[3:15:23]
it's the responsible thing to do at the
[3:15:25]
moment is to create a pause and to ask
[3:15:28]
parks to pause on that their wish list
[3:15:32]
um and to come back to us at a later
[3:15:36]
date when things are maybe not so hard
[3:15:40]
um here in Ottawa County. So, for that
[3:15:43]
reason, um I I will be voting um against
[3:15:47]
the increase military.
[3:15:49]
>> Okay.
[3:15:49]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. I've got
[3:15:51]
Commissioner Zielstra and then
[3:15:52]
Commissioner Tles.
[3:15:53]
>> John, would you go first?
[3:15:55]
>> Sure.
[3:15:55]
>> I'm sure.
[3:15:57]
>> So, uh I'll be making more comments
[3:15:59]
about uh this. But my fundamental
[3:16:02]
question for the board is, and I've been
[3:16:04]
challenging this for a year and a half,
[3:16:06]
is what is our role as commissioners? I
[3:16:09]
think we as a board often times step out
[3:16:11]
of our duty and our responsibilities and
[3:16:15]
think that we the government is not here
[3:16:17]
to fix everything and that's not our job
[3:16:20]
to do that. Um unlike what Commissioner
[3:16:23]
Medium just said where people aren't
[3:16:25]
thinking about what they're voting for.
[3:16:27]
I absolutely trust our public to make
[3:16:30]
the best decision for themselves and I'm
[3:16:32]
willing to live with it regardless of
[3:16:33]
their decision. And I think they have a
[3:16:36]
right to make that decision. And I don't
[3:16:37]
think my vote here should to should take
[3:16:40]
that right away from them. That's not my
[3:16:42]
role. I'm a commissioner, a county
[3:16:45]
commissioner, and my job is to watch the
[3:16:47]
county budget. It is to set policy for
[3:16:50]
the county that deals with safety and
[3:16:52]
other issues. It is not to take away a
[3:16:55]
vote that the public can make for
[3:16:56]
themselves. And that's where we have to
[3:16:59]
understand where our lane is. And
[3:17:02]
sometimes we jump over it. And it's not
[3:17:05]
our duty. I trust the public to make the
[3:17:08]
decision. I respect that parks has
[3:17:10]
divided this so that the public can be
[3:17:13]
well informed that there's a distinction
[3:17:15]
between what happens in August and what
[3:17:18]
happens here in November. The public is
[3:17:20]
well informed of that. The park had a
[3:17:23]
survey and showed that by far the public
[3:17:26]
supports the 0.53.
[3:17:28]
Well, if I'm going to vote against that, means all those people that did a
[3:17:32]
scientific sur survey, a statistically
[3:17:35]
reliable survey, I'm just throwing out
[3:17:37]
the window as if they're those people
[3:17:40]
are illrelevant. That's not my job as a
[3:17:43]
commissioner. Again, I trust the public.
[3:17:47]
If they vote yes, I vote I support it.
[3:17:49]
If they vote no, I understand. I support
[3:17:51]
it. I certainly support the point, too.
[3:17:55]
But more so, my role as a commissioner
[3:17:58]
is not to take that that right away from
[3:18:00]
the people where they can do it
[3:18:01]
themselves. That's just not my role.
[3:18:04]
That's how I see my role as a
[3:18:05]
commissioner.
[3:18:07]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner
[3:18:08]
Zstra.
[3:18:08]
>> Sure. So, one of the reasons I like to
[3:18:10]
have John go before me because he covers
[3:18:11]
a lot of the terrain for the summer
[3:18:13]
anyway. So, it makes my life a lot
[3:18:15]
easier. I I let you go as well, Jim. Did
[3:18:18]
I not let you go as well? Because I knew
[3:18:19]
you were going to cover the same terrain
[3:18:20]
and you know, you know, we split this
[3:18:22]
into two uh two different votes.
[3:18:25]
uh for the public like John said, two
[3:18:27]
different days to let the public have a
[3:18:30]
very clear voice on these on these
[3:18:32]
issues. I think we should allow them to
[3:18:34]
have that voice, right? I think
[3:18:36]
depriving them of the right to vote on
[3:18:38]
this um is not doing the public service.
[3:18:42]
Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner
[3:18:43]
Barry, did you have a comment again or
[3:18:45]
you're good? Okay. All right. Anyone
[3:18:47]
else? Oh, sorry. Commissioner Bonama,
[3:18:49]
you know, I think I was supposed to come
[3:18:50]
back to you a little bit ago. Apologies.
[3:18:51]
>> It's all right. It's all right.
[3:18:52]
>> Thank you for your patience. Hey, it's been a great day. Um, no, I think
[3:18:56]
uh this is a great opportunity for the
[3:18:58]
public to weigh in on whether they want
[3:19:00]
a tax increase or not. I think we get
[3:19:02]
very few opportunities as voters to vote
[3:19:05]
on that. And so, here's a chance to um I
[3:19:08]
was on a journey with this. Uh this is
[3:19:10]
one where originally it was all together
[3:19:11]
and it was just to vote on an increase.
[3:19:13]
Uh I was a hard no on that because I I
[3:19:16]
hate my taxes getting raised, right? I'm with y'all. Uh but I was uh you know
[3:19:22]
persuaded that there's power and options
[3:19:24]
and I want to give that power to the
[3:19:26]
public to say hey uh yes yes yes or no
[3:19:30]
on you know maintaining I think that's
[3:19:32]
being a good steward and then yes or no
[3:19:34]
on increasing and that's a decision that
[3:19:36]
they can decide. So uh I'll be
[3:19:38]
supporting that as well.
[3:19:40]
>> All right thank you uh Commissioner
[3:19:41]
Moss.
[3:19:43]
>> All right I try to keep it short. Uh I
[3:19:45]
agree someone said in the beginning we
[3:19:47]
have good stewards in our parks
[3:19:48]
department. I appreciate that. Um, we
[3:19:50]
have great parks. Uh, we got unanimous
[3:19:54]
support for the renewal today. And
[3:19:57]
lastly, government is taxing too much.
[3:20:01]
Uh, I recommend to the board, to my
[3:20:04]
fellow board members, that you vote no
[3:20:06]
on this particular item. Uh, it is a tax
[3:20:10]
increase. Right now in Lancing, we just
[3:20:13]
heard from Bob this morning and we heard
[3:20:14]
uh at the MAC conference that at the
[3:20:17]
state level, the Democrats are looking
[3:20:19]
at tax increases.
[3:20:21]
At the same time, Republicans are
[3:20:23]
looking at multiple ways and have new
[3:20:24]
proposals to cut taxes. So, I'm opposed
[3:20:28]
to this particular increase, and I'd ask
[3:20:31]
that you all vote no and come back to
[3:20:34]
this sometime next year.
[3:20:36]
>> Thank you, Commissioner.
[3:20:38]
Um yeah. Okay. All right. All right,
[3:20:41]
I'll go for it. Um, I am going to uh say
[3:20:43]
that I I do wish given the effort that
[3:20:45]
went in and the consiliatory
[3:20:49]
um grac I say let's say given the
[3:20:51]
graciousness of the parks board uh and
[3:20:53]
the parks director in uh accepting a
[3:20:57]
split of these votes. I really did want
[3:20:58]
to vote on these both together um
[3:21:00]
because I thought that was a very
[3:21:01]
valuable compromise. Uh from the get-go,
[3:21:04]
I have supported these both being
[3:21:06]
separate um to be put before the uh the
[3:21:09]
public separately. uh so that they have
[3:21:11]
as many options and they can choose what
[3:21:13]
they want to do. It's interesting that
[3:21:14]
uh uh township uh supervisor Gordon
[3:21:18]
Gallagher is in the house today. Uh they
[3:21:20]
had a millillage uh put before the
[3:21:23]
people of Spring Lake Township about a
[3:21:25]
year ago regarding their um bike path
[3:21:29]
and they broke that millillage into two
[3:21:31]
proposals. One was a maintaining what
[3:21:33]
they have, the other one was expanding
[3:21:35]
what they have. uh that was the right
[3:21:37]
approach and I believe that the right
[3:21:38]
approach is putting these two
[3:21:40]
separately. Uh I in the case of the bike
[3:21:43]
millillage in Spring Lake voters voted
[3:21:44]
in favor of both of those and uh I think
[3:21:47]
that was an excellent outcome all
[3:21:48]
around. So I am very much in favor of
[3:21:50]
putting this before the voters. Uh we
[3:21:52]
are essentially on this one a pass
[3:21:55]
through entity and I want to give every
[3:21:56]
voter the opportunity to vote as they
[3:21:58]
see fit. I do not want to take that
[3:22:00]
opportunity away from them. So with
[3:22:02]
that, I'll be voting in favor of this.
[3:22:04]
And Rachel, would you call the role?
[3:22:06]
>> Mr. Zielstra,
[3:22:08]
>> uh, yes.
[3:22:08]
>> Mr. Tles,
[3:22:09]
>> yes.
[3:22:10]
>> Mr. JSMA,
[3:22:11]
>> yes.
[3:22:12]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[3:22:13]
>> yes.
[3:22:13]
>> Mr. Barry,
[3:22:14]
>> yes.
[3:22:15]
>> Mrs. Nema,
[3:22:16]
>> no.
[3:22:16]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:22:18]
>> yes.
[3:22:18]
>> Mrs. Roodie,
[3:22:19]
>> no.
[3:22:20]
>> Mr. Moss,
[3:22:21]
>> no.
[3:22:21]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[3:22:22]
>> no.
[3:22:23]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:22:24]
>> yes.
[3:22:24]
>> Motion passes.
[3:22:26]
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you
[3:22:27]
everyone. And thank you again to uh
[3:22:29]
Jason and to uh Dr. Bashier for your
[3:22:32]
efforts with this. Uh we know you put a
[3:22:33]
lot of work into it and your teams did
[3:22:35]
too. So thank you. Uh item C
[3:22:37]
postexecution contract ratification. The
[3:22:40]
suggested motion is to ratify all
[3:22:41]
contracts on the ratification report
[3:22:43]
pursuant to the county's contracting
[3:22:45]
policy.
[3:22:45]
>> So move support.
[3:22:47]
>> Motion by Jorzma, second by Moss. Any
[3:22:49]
discussion?
[3:22:51]
All those in favor? Oh, sorry. Roll call
[3:22:52]
vote.
[3:22:54]
>> I have one question.
[3:22:55]
>> Okay. Commissioner Mima. Um
[3:22:58]
so contract 2970 which has to do with
[3:23:02]
the marijuana
[3:23:04]
um classes and substance abuse
[3:23:08]
um education. It mentions in that
[3:23:11]
contract about going into five schools
[3:23:13]
within Ottawa County. And I would just I
[3:23:16]
would really like to have some more
[3:23:17]
information on that. That was a request
[3:23:18]
I had at the last time that anytime we
[3:23:20]
are going into schools um with public
[3:23:23]
health, I would appreciate a heads up
[3:23:25]
and I would like that conversation to
[3:23:27]
take place before a vote on that.
[3:23:30]
>> Understanding is it is after school
[3:23:32]
engagement. Um this is a this is a grant
[3:23:35]
for 44,000
[3:23:37]
uh for marijuana medical um medical
[3:23:40]
marijuana act awareness training and
[3:23:43]
it's a grant that we've received since
[3:23:45]
2019. And I think prior to that, these
[3:23:47]
same funds came in and were channeled to
[3:23:50]
law enforcement. So now they're running
[3:23:51]
through public health. But
[3:23:53]
>> which schools are we looking to
[3:23:55]
implement them in?
[3:23:56]
>> I can't answer that.
[3:23:57]
>> I think that's really important for us
[3:23:59]
to have that conversation. So anytime as
[3:24:01]
a county that we are going into our
[3:24:03]
school systems, we have a very um small
[3:24:07]
role within our purview of going into
[3:24:10]
schools as count as a county and I think
[3:24:13]
that is really pertinent that we
[3:24:16]
understand a little bit more about this
[3:24:18]
contract before we approve it. Um and I I'm sensing that maybe there's
[3:24:24]
some questions that you're not aware of.
[3:24:26]
I I'm going to ask to move contract 2970
[3:24:30]
outside of um the contract the rest of
[3:24:33]
the contracts to vote on separately.
[3:24:35]
>> And we've got a motion on the table. Is
[3:24:37]
there a second?
[3:24:39]
>> Support.
[3:24:40]
by Commissioner Roie.
[3:24:42]
Discussion. I think uh Commissioner
[3:24:44]
Mima, you led up to that one with a
[3:24:46]
motion. So, do you have anything further
[3:24:48]
to say?
[3:24:49]
>> I just think it's our responsibility to
[3:24:51]
better understand how we are going into
[3:24:54]
our schools. I it would be great if our
[3:24:56]
health department could come um before
[3:24:59]
us potentially at one of the committees
[3:25:02]
to present the information and I think
[3:25:05]
with a little bit of um discussion my
[3:25:08]
guess is the board will probably get
[3:25:09]
behind it but I do think it's our I
[3:25:12]
think it would just do be due diligence
[3:25:14]
to better understand
[3:25:17]
>> any further discussion.
[3:25:20]
All right, let's do a roll call vote.
[3:25:21]
Uh, Miss Sanchez.
[3:25:23]
>> This is just to separate it, right?
[3:25:25]
>> Correct.
[3:25:26]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[3:25:27]
>> yes.
[3:25:28]
>> Mr. Moss,
[3:25:29]
>> yes.
[3:25:30]
>> Mr. Zystra,
[3:25:31]
>> yes.
[3:25:32]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[3:25:33]
>> no.
[3:25:33]
>> Mrs. Roadie,
[3:25:35]
>> yes.
[3:25:35]
>> Mrs. Mida,
[3:25:36]
>> yes.
[3:25:37]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[3:25:38]
>> no.
[3:25:38]
>> Mr. Teles,
[3:25:39]
>> no.
[3:25:40]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:25:41]
>> no.
[3:25:41]
>> Mr. Barry,
[3:25:42]
>> no.
[3:25:43]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:25:44]
>> no.
[3:25:47]
>> Motion fails.
[3:25:48]
>> All right. Thank you. We've got back to
[3:25:49]
the original motion on the table, which
[3:25:50]
is to ratify all contracts on the
[3:25:52]
ratification report pursuant to the
[3:25:54]
county's contracting policy. Anything
[3:25:56]
further?
[3:25:59]
>> I'll I'll just be voting no then since
[3:26:01]
we I wasn't able to vote separately on
[3:26:03]
this one.
[3:26:04]
>> Okay. Thank you. All right, Rachel,
[3:26:05]
would you call the role?
[3:26:06]
>> Mr. Jordma?
[3:26:08]
>> Yes.
[3:26:08]
>> Mr. Barry?
[3:26:09]
>> Yes.
[3:26:10]
>> Mrs. Nema?
[3:26:11]
>> No.
[3:26:11]
>> Mr. Moss?
[3:26:12]
>> Yes.
[3:26:13]
>> Mrs. Roadie?
[3:26:14]
>> No.
[3:26:15]
>> Mr. Zielstra?
[3:26:16]
>> Yes.
[3:26:17]
>> Mrs. Wel? No.
[3:26:18]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[3:26:19]
>> yes.
[3:26:20]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:26:21]
>> yes.
[3:26:22]
>> Mr. Teles,
[3:26:22]
>> yes.
[3:26:23]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:26:24]
>> yes.
[3:26:24]
>> Motion passes.
[3:26:25]
>> All right. Thank you. Uh, next item on
[3:26:27]
the agenda, the investment policy. The
[3:26:29]
motion is to approve the revised
[3:26:31]
investment policy for a first reading.
[3:26:33]
>> So moved.
[3:26:34]
>> Support.
[3:26:35]
>> Moved by Joritzma, second by Moss. Any
[3:26:37]
discussion?
[3:26:39]
>> All right. All those in favor say I.
[3:26:42]
>> I. Those opposed? Motion carries. Uh
[3:26:45]
item E, artificial intelligence policy.
[3:26:49]
The suggested motion is to approve the
[3:26:50]
new artificial intelligence policy for a
[3:26:52]
first reading with the change of
[3:26:55]
revisiting the policy every one year. Is
[3:26:58]
there a move?
[3:26:59]
>> Motion by Moss, second by George. You
[3:27:01]
guys got a thing going over there. Any
[3:27:03]
further discussion? All right. All those
[3:27:05]
in favor say I.
[3:27:07]
>> I.
[3:27:07]
>> Those opposed? Motion carries. Item F,
[3:27:11]
remote work policy. The suggested motion
[3:27:13]
is to approve the new remote work policy
[3:27:15]
for a first reading.
[3:27:17]
>> So moved support.
[3:27:18]
>> Motion by Jorrettzma, second by Moss.
[3:27:20]
Any discussion?
[3:27:23]
>> Mr. George, do you have anything or are
[3:27:24]
you okay? All right. Miss Maima, sorry.
[3:27:28]
>> Um, so as I made a motion at committee
[3:27:32]
level, I'm going to make the same
[3:27:33]
motion. Um, so I will make a motion to
[3:27:36]
add a letter C under procedure.
[3:27:41]
Um
[3:27:44]
uh for reporting department heads will
[3:27:46]
submit a report to administration for
[3:27:49]
board of commissioner review each year
[3:27:52]
showing number of hours worked remotely
[3:27:55]
in their department
[3:27:57]
>> support. We got a motion and a support.
[3:28:00]
Rachel, do you have that motion
[3:28:03]
documented sufficiently?
[3:28:05]
>> I can go back and listen to it.
[3:28:07]
>> Okay. All right.
[3:28:08]
>> I can bring up the two later. Thank you
[3:28:09]
for
[3:28:10]
>> All right. Sounds good. Uh, Commissioner
[3:28:12]
Mima, would you care to lead this one
[3:28:13]
off?
[3:28:14]
>> Um, yep. As as stated already at the
[3:28:16]
committee level, um, I think it's really
[3:28:19]
important that we have some
[3:28:22]
accountability um, by hours worked um,
[3:28:26]
internally versus remotely. I think it's
[3:28:28]
really great for any administrator
[3:28:31]
whether it was um Patrick here or if
[3:28:34]
it's someone else down the line that
[3:28:36]
they can easily come into their position
[3:28:38]
and have a quick glance of going okay
[3:28:40]
this is how many this is how many people
[3:28:42]
are working remotely this is the trends
[3:28:45]
that I'm seeing yearbyear it makes for a
[3:28:48]
very quick checkin um by department
[3:28:50]
levels I would think at the
[3:28:51]
administration level I also think it
[3:28:53]
provides great checks and balances um
[3:28:56]
for department heads with their staff.
[3:28:58]
It gives them a little bit of
[3:28:59]
discernment of wondering um is is this a
[3:29:03]
good use of somebody's working remotely
[3:29:07]
or not? It gives them a little bit of a
[3:29:08]
check going, "Yep, I can easily explain
[3:29:12]
this to a board if I were ever to be
[3:29:13]
asked, why did you have so many hours?"
[3:29:16]
It gives them um just kind of another um
[3:29:19]
way to look at that. And I would say
[3:29:22]
that
[3:29:23]
um in-person work shows by studies that
[3:29:27]
you're going to get um better quality of
[3:29:30]
work. And I think in a government as a
[3:29:35]
whole um when you look at the national
[3:29:37]
level and you look at our state level
[3:29:39]
and when you're finding a lot of
[3:29:42]
potential issues for abuse um I think
[3:29:45]
it's just impertinent that we put some
[3:29:48]
safeguards out there, some guard rails.
[3:29:50]
um that just allows us to have um better
[3:29:53]
communication with one another and with our community.
[3:29:57]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Uh anyone else?
[3:30:00]
>> Uh Commissioner T.
[3:30:01]
>> So again, this is going back to the same
[3:30:03]
issue. What is our role as
[3:30:05]
commissioners?
[3:30:09]
What we're doing now is telling the
[3:30:10]
administrator how to run the county uh
[3:30:13]
with this kind of a a motion. Next thing
[3:30:16]
we're going to want to know is how many
[3:30:17]
people work? uh what's the overtime for
[3:30:20]
each employee in the county? How many
[3:30:22]
people take lunch at what time? How much
[3:30:24]
micromanaging are we going to do as a
[3:30:26]
board? This is not our Bailey Wick in my
[3:30:29]
opinion as a commissioner. This is
[3:30:31]
micromanaging the administrator
[3:30:32]
regardless of who the administrator is.
[3:30:34]
We need to my mind from my perspective,
[3:30:37]
we need to stay in our lane.
[3:30:40]
>> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. Oh, wow.
[3:30:43]
Okay. Uh Commissioner Barry, I saw you
[3:30:44]
first and I'll come over to this end of
[3:30:46]
the table. Mr. Barry,
[3:30:47]
>> just the first just the first paragraph
[3:30:49]
and this is the county of Ottawa's
[3:30:51]
general standard is for work to be
[3:30:53]
performed in the county office setting.
[3:30:55]
However, there are seldom uh there are
[3:30:57]
seldom occasions where remote work may
[3:30:59]
be permissible. The policy provides the
[3:31:02]
guidelines and procedures for both staff
[3:31:04]
and management of what expected what
[3:31:07]
expectations are in a remote work
[3:31:09]
scenario. So we we are doing our job by
[3:31:12]
pro providing policy to the
[3:31:14]
administrator and then they're able to I
[3:31:18]
expect them to manage that policy as the
[3:31:21]
will of the board.
[3:31:23]
>> Thank you Commissioner Barry. I think
[3:31:24]
we'll go Commissioner Moss and then
[3:31:25]
George.
[3:31:26]
>> Sure.
[3:31:26]
>> I'd actually like to echo what um
[3:31:28]
Commissioner Barry just said. I'd like
[3:31:30]
to take it just a slightly different
[3:31:31]
direction though. Um this is board
[3:31:33]
policy. I think it's good this is a new
[3:31:35]
policy. It's good to get these things
[3:31:37]
written down so that they're very clear.
[3:31:39]
Just like Jim just said, um I think we
[3:31:41]
can add um I'll just call it a le a
[3:31:45]
level of coverage for our administrator.
[3:31:48]
If this is board policy, it's very easy
[3:31:50]
to generate. You just get it from HR,
[3:31:52]
payroll or whatever. Um it makes it very
[3:31:56]
easy uh for him to make the request and
[3:31:59]
to do some of that due diligence and
[3:32:02]
it's it's coming directly from the
[3:32:04]
board. uh it's not coming from him. Um
[3:32:07]
it doesn't seem like, you know, he's
[3:32:09]
trying to micromanage the departments.
[3:32:11]
This is a simple high level board
[3:32:13]
policy. I think that's a better position
[3:32:14]
for all of us to be in.
[3:32:16]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner
[3:32:17]
Dorsma.
[3:32:18]
>> Yeah, I um I actually agree with this policy as well. I I think it it is
[3:32:23]
in our purview as as commissioners. Um
[3:32:26]
Commissioner Bonama frequently says that
[3:32:28]
um what we do needs to be relatable,
[3:32:31]
repeatable, and measurable. And this
[3:32:33]
falls into that measurable category. Um
[3:32:35]
we're not making it any judgment call on
[3:32:37]
whether the number is too high or too
[3:32:39]
low. We're getting information and we're
[3:32:41]
asking those department heads to say,
[3:32:43]
"Hey, if you can stamp your name behind
[3:32:46]
that number of remote work hours, then
[3:32:49]
good. And if there's a problem, we have
[3:32:51]
that information." I actually think this
[3:32:52]
would be a benefit to the administrator
[3:32:54]
to have. And I'm just not sure that
[3:32:56]
we're
[3:32:56]
>> tracking this at all. I mean, there is more of a push to um return to
[3:33:02]
work in person. So, I'm I'm curious. I
[3:33:05]
mean, if if we hear from department
[3:33:07]
heads that this is unreasonable to
[3:33:10]
measure and they're having a very hard
[3:33:12]
time tracking this information, we I'm
[3:33:15]
willing to circle back on the
[3:33:16]
discussion, but um yeah, I I support it.
[3:33:20]
>> Okay, I got Commissioner Jarrettzma. Uh
[3:33:22]
thank you. And uh Commissioner Tbles has
[3:33:24]
indicated he'd like to speak again. I do
[3:33:26]
want to give everyone else the
[3:33:27]
opportunity one time before we go back
[3:33:29]
to uh Commissioner Tles. So,
[3:33:30]
Commissioner Roodie.
[3:33:31]
>> Yeah. So, uh I agree with Commissioner
[3:33:34]
George and Commissioner Medima and um I
[3:33:38]
appreciate and respect and agree with
[3:33:41]
the desire to provide oversight um to
[3:33:45]
our bureaucracies and the county. I
[3:33:47]
think it's I think it's really
[3:33:49]
important. I think um we're seeing a lot
[3:33:51]
of things that are not receiving
[3:33:53]
appropriate oversight on a national
[3:33:55]
level. And so anytime that we're we are
[3:33:58]
providing, you know, good oversight, I
[3:34:00]
think it provides our administrator, you
[3:34:03]
know, um a really good path forward on,
[3:34:06]
you know, on doing this. I don't see
[3:34:08]
this as micromanaging our administrator.
[3:34:10]
I think it it's just setting good
[3:34:12]
policy.
[3:34:13]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner. Is
[3:34:15]
there anyone else who hasn't spoken who
[3:34:16]
would like to? One moment, Mr. Waterman.
[3:34:19]
All right. I think we've gone around
[3:34:21]
once. Uh do you mind if uh our county
[3:34:23]
administrator speaks of course ahead of
[3:34:25]
you? All right.
[3:34:27]
>> Thank you. U so just a general comment.
[3:34:29]
We we spent a lot of time on this on
[3:34:31]
this policy and and just for the
[3:34:34]
background of the folks that aren't on
[3:34:35]
the policy committee where this was
[3:34:36]
introduced. The idea the intent with
[3:34:39]
this is to really change the cultural
[3:34:40]
mindset to postcoid return to work which
[3:34:43]
is in in most businesses the the the
[3:34:46]
best practice now. So, um, recognizing
[3:34:49]
that there are departments that have
[3:34:51]
remote work situations that do make
[3:34:54]
sense and and, um, are beneficial to the
[3:34:56]
county, equalization is a very good
[3:34:59]
example of that. Um, so we wanted to
[3:35:02]
write it broadly enough that it worked
[3:35:04]
for the current situation, but not too
[3:35:06]
restrictive where it created chaos. If
[3:35:09]
you look at section uh 4A, the end of it
[3:35:13]
states that uh department heads may
[3:35:15]
require employees to provide reports,
[3:35:17]
updates of work performed while working
[3:35:19]
remotely at any time. So that is in
[3:35:21]
there as a protection clause. U it it
[3:35:24]
allows us to look at those situations
[3:35:26]
where we may think there there might be
[3:35:28]
an issue we need to address, but it it's
[3:35:31]
not a requirement. I don't like to write
[3:35:34]
work assignments into policy and and to
[3:35:37]
introduce a new work assignment per
[3:35:38]
policy um creates an administrative
[3:35:41]
burden. This accomplishes our ability to
[3:35:44]
do it as written without without taking
[3:35:46]
that next step. So I'm comfortable with
[3:35:48]
the language as written. I spent we
[3:35:50]
talked about this with leadership
[3:35:51]
committee or leadership team and u we we
[3:35:54]
think the the language addresses the
[3:35:56]
concerns and allows for the
[3:35:57]
accountability should there be an issue.
[3:36:00]
>> Thank you sir. And actually I didn't get
[3:36:02]
a chance to speak myself before we went
[3:36:03]
over to Patrick. And um my comments
[3:36:06]
first round would essentially be which
[3:36:08]
you just answered the question. Uh is
[3:36:10]
this a request from administration to
[3:36:12]
add this or not? And it is not. And so
[3:36:16]
uh I'm supportive of our administration.
[3:36:18]
Um and I believe that if they were
[3:36:20]
making this request, I'd be happy to
[3:36:22]
support it, but as they're not, I'm
[3:36:24]
going to let them do their jobs. Uh
[3:36:25]
Commissioner Toples.
[3:36:26]
>> Yeah, maybe I got mixed up. Uh because I
[3:36:28]
thought what we were talking about is
[3:36:30]
Commissioner Ma's motion if it ever got
[3:36:33]
to that. Maybe it wasn't seconded about
[3:36:35]
whether you had to report this to the
[3:36:37]
board every year. That's what I'm
[3:36:38]
against. The policy itself. Absolutely.
[3:36:41]
I'm in favor of that. So I just want to
[3:36:43]
make sure that we're talking and
[3:36:45]
whatever we're going to vote here that
[3:36:46]
it's clear what we're voting on. I guess
[3:36:47]
I got maybe I got confused on
[3:36:49]
>> No, you're right.
[3:36:50]
>> You're correct.
[3:36:50]
>> Y we're uh the motion on the table is to
[3:36:53]
add an item C. Can't remember what
[3:36:56]
section it was. Rachel will go back for
[3:36:58]
the tape on that one as needed. Um,
[3:37:00]
which will require reporting of, uh,
[3:37:04]
atome work hours. All right. Um, any
[3:37:07]
further discussion? I think we're ready
[3:37:08]
for the vote. Uh, Rachel, would you do a
[3:37:10]
roll call on this one, please?
[3:37:11]
>> Sure. Mr. Moss,
[3:37:13]
>> yes.
[3:37:13]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[3:37:14]
>> no.
[3:37:15]
>> Mr. Barry,
[3:37:16]
>> no.
[3:37:16]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:37:17]
>> no.
[3:37:18]
>> Mrs. Roodie,
[3:37:19]
>> yes.
[3:37:19]
>> Mr. Zystra,
[3:37:21]
>> no.
[3:37:22]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[3:37:22]
>> yes.
[3:37:23]
>> Mrs. Mida,
[3:37:24]
>> yes.
[3:37:25]
>> Mr. Jordzma,
[3:37:26]
>> yes.
[3:37:26]
>> Mr. Teles,
[3:37:27]
>> no.
[3:37:28]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:37:29]
>> uh, no.
[3:37:31]
>> Motion fails.
[3:37:32]
>> All right. So, we're back to the
[3:37:34]
original motion on the table, which is
[3:37:35]
to approve the new remote work policy
[3:37:37]
for first reading. Any further
[3:37:39]
discussion?
[3:37:40]
>> Mr. Chair, just one other comment. Um, I
[3:37:42]
did note uh, Commissioner Zalstra
[3:37:45]
submitted some some recommended changes
[3:37:47]
between committee and now those are
[3:37:49]
redlined in the version. We looked at
[3:37:51]
those. We think they were good changes
[3:37:52]
and and those are incorporated. So you
[3:37:54]
are voting on a little bit different
[3:37:56]
version.
[3:37:56]
>> Let me
[3:37:58]
just talk about that Patrick steal your
[3:38:00]
>> thought. No, no, no. I mean, let me just
[3:38:02]
check the
[3:38:03]
>> I I know I checked the AI and I
[3:38:05]
appreciate the the red line on that one.
[3:38:08]
Um,
[3:38:08]
>> Commissioner Zra, you have the floor. Go
[3:38:10]
for it.
[3:38:14]
» I don't know. I got to throw it up.
[3:38:15]
>> And you can tell me because the the
[3:38:17]
suggested recommendations were for
[3:38:20]
deletion of seldom.
[3:38:21]
>> Pardon me. Pardon me. Yes, that you're
[3:38:23]
right. That was not redlined. But we did
[3:38:26]
agree with that correction to re remove
[3:38:28]
the word seldom in the
[3:38:30]
>> maybe we can just make that change then
[3:38:32]
chair.
[3:38:33]
>> Yes, that is
[3:38:34]
>> I just think that it it didn't really
[3:38:36]
make sense to me the two sentences
[3:38:37]
against each other.
[3:38:38]
>> And then in the second paragraph for any
[3:38:41]
reason at all with or without notice
[3:38:44]
um I thought it was a little bit
[3:38:46]
capricious uh with or without notice. I
[3:38:48]
mean at some point you have to give the
[3:38:50]
employee notice. You can't just expect
[3:38:51]
them to read minds. So
[3:38:54]
um
[3:38:55]
>> where is this? Give us
[3:38:57]
>> Yeah.
[3:38:57]
>> So second paragraph where it says remote
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work requires department head approval
[3:39:01]
and can be revoked at the discretion of
[3:39:03]
the department head. Just put a period
[3:39:06]
there.
[3:39:08]
>> This this one we did not I can dialogue
[3:39:11]
with commission.
[3:39:12]
>> Right. So if if if we're okay with the
[3:39:14]
seldom them, I would like to make a
[3:39:15]
motion to delete for any reason at all
[3:39:17]
with or without notice just because I
[3:39:19]
just think that sounds a little bit
[3:39:20]
capricious for department heads to say,
[3:39:24]
"Hey, you were had this arrangement
[3:39:27]
and I'm taking it away without giving
[3:39:30]
that employee any rationale whatsoever
[3:39:32]
and without notice, which I think is
[3:39:34]
kind of impossible. How can you take
[3:39:35]
something away without actually telling
[3:39:37]
somebody you're taking them away?" So,
[3:39:39]
>> excuse me. as I explain.
[3:39:40]
>> Hold on just a moment before you go
[3:39:41]
there. We've got a motion on the table.
[3:39:43]
Good parliamentary. How am I doing, Ron?
[3:39:44]
Did I get that one?
[3:39:45]
>> You got it.
[3:39:46]
>> All right. Is there a second for that
[3:39:47]
motion so we can discuss it or
[3:39:51]
>> There's no second.
[3:39:51]
>> Oh, no. Second.
[3:39:53]
>> I'll I'll second it if you so that gives
[3:39:54]
you a chance to second from Commissioner
[3:39:57]
Teles. Patrick, take it away. is uh and I apologize for not removing the
[3:40:02]
word seldom, Commissioner Zelstra, but
[3:40:04]
the second change that you suggested was
[3:40:07]
to essentially require that we give
[3:40:10]
notice in the situations where remote
[3:40:12]
work authorization is revoked. And as I
[3:40:14]
said, we want to have the ability to do
[3:40:17]
that because there may be circumstances
[3:40:19]
that it needs to be revoked immediately
[3:40:21]
without notice. In any case like that,
[3:40:24]
the vast likelihood is that we're going
[3:40:26]
to be having a conversation with that
[3:40:28]
person if there's an issue where the at
[3:40:30]
work authorization is at risk. Even
[3:40:33]
though it's not specified in this
[3:40:34]
policy, that would be my practice is to
[3:40:37]
be aware of those situations and be
[3:40:39]
having discussions with the department
[3:40:40]
head and say, "What's happening in this
[3:40:43]
situation? What are we doing to address
[3:40:44]
it?" I don't like to put those things in
[3:40:47]
policy because it it essentially tips
[3:40:50]
into the to the HR realm of how are we
[3:40:53]
handing disciplinary action.
[3:40:55]
>> So I guess maybe I'm mis reading the
[3:40:58]
word notice. I mean at some point you
[3:41:01]
have to give notice that you know the
[3:41:04]
policy has changed for an individual
[3:41:05]
employee, right? So I I think what
[3:41:08]
you're saying is that hey this is going
[3:41:11]
to change and this has changed like so
[3:41:14]
if you had this you know you're working
[3:41:16]
from home on from Friday for example and
[3:41:19]
it's Thursday
[3:41:21]
they have to know that they have to be
[3:41:22]
in the work on Friday so that they have
[3:41:24]
to have notice
[3:41:24]
>> they will be given notice. Yeah.
[3:41:26]
>> Okay. So I guess maybe I'm just kind of
[3:41:28]
uh
[3:41:28]
>> but it it it the my how I am
[3:41:31]
interpreting is that it doesn't
[3:41:32]
necessarily need to be way in advance
[3:41:35]
notice. We could we could have a
[3:41:36]
situation where we need that person into
[3:41:38]
work on a given day given a work
[3:41:40]
shortage or um you know that person was
[3:41:43]
found not to be using remote work
[3:41:46]
properly and we revoke that right. So we
[3:41:49]
need to have the authority and the
[3:41:50]
discretion to make those
[3:41:51]
>> I understand the without notice part
[3:41:53]
because I think we're thinking about
[3:41:55]
notice differently but for any reason at
[3:41:57]
all I mean
[3:42:00]
does an employed serve I mean if they
[3:42:02]
had this
[3:42:05]
if if they had you know uh remote work
[3:42:09]
um is part of their work plan
[3:42:13]
taking it away with no rational
[3:42:15]
whatsoever just seems a little bit
[3:42:16]
harsh. Hold on that for just a moment.
[3:42:18]
Commissioner Moss, uh, go right ahead. I
[3:42:20]
Sorry, Patrick.
[3:42:20]
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm not going to make a
[3:42:22]
motion, but I actually have one prepared
[3:42:24]
after this. I'd actually like it to say
[3:42:26]
for any reason or no reason for legal reasons.
[3:42:31]
>> Like it to
[3:42:32]
>> it should say in my mind it should say
[3:42:34]
for any reason or no reason. There
[3:42:38]
doesn't have to be a reason given for
[3:42:40]
telling someone they need to work
[3:42:43]
>> in the office. That's different than
[3:42:44]
what
[3:42:44]
>> and it's different than what
[3:42:45]
Commissioner Zalstra is saying.
[3:42:48]
>> All right.
[3:42:48]
>> It's kind of actually the opposite.
[3:42:51]
>> Yeah.
[3:42:52]
>> So, we've got a motion on the table.
[3:42:53]
Anyone else care to address it? And I
[3:42:55]
can come back to you, Doug, one more
[3:42:56]
time if you Nobody else is.
[3:42:58]
>> All right, Commissioner, you have one
[3:43:00]
more time.
[3:43:02]
>> Said my piece on this.
[3:43:03]
>> All right. Uh, let's take a vote if you
[3:43:05]
would uh call roll. Rachel,
[3:43:06]
>> where was the period that you were
[3:43:08]
wanting it to?
[3:43:08]
>> Right after department head.
[3:43:09]
>> After department head. Thank you. All
[3:43:12]
right. Um, Mrs. Mrs. Roodie,
[3:43:14]
>> no.
[3:43:14]
>> Mr. Tibbles,
[3:43:15]
>> no.
[3:43:16]
>> Mr. Zystra,
[3:43:17]
>> yes.
[3:43:17]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[3:43:19]
>> no.
[3:43:19]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[3:43:20]
>> no.
[3:43:21]
>> Mrs. Mida,
[3:43:22]
>> no.
[3:43:23]
>> Mr. Moss,
[3:43:24]
>> no.
[3:43:24]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[3:43:25]
>> no.
[3:43:26]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[3:43:27]
>> no.
[3:43:27]
>> Mr. Barry,
[3:43:28]
>> no.
[3:43:29]
>> Mr. Buger,
[3:43:30]
>> uh, no.
[3:43:30]
>> Motion fails.
[3:43:31]
>> All right, so we're back to the original
[3:43:33]
motion. Hold that, Joe. I'm just going
[3:43:35]
to get this back out on the floor. So,
[3:43:36]
the original motion as to approve the
[3:43:38]
new remote work policy for a first
[3:43:39]
reading. Would anyone care to discuss
[3:43:41]
this further or make another amendment?
[3:43:43]
Uh, Commissioner Moss,
[3:43:44]
>> I would love to. Thank you. I'd like to
[3:43:46]
add uh the words or no reason into that
[3:43:50]
sentence uh so that the county doesn't
[3:43:53]
get stuck having to always provide a
[3:43:56]
reason and sometimes
[3:43:59]
the county might not need to. So, I'd
[3:44:00]
like to strengthen this policy.
[3:44:02]
>> We've got a motion to add the word or no
[3:44:04]
reason to said sentence. Would anyone
[3:44:07]
care to second that?
[3:44:08]
>> I'll second it. seconded by Bonama. Um,
[3:44:11]
Mr. Moss, I believe you already let out
[3:44:12]
with your comments unless you want to
[3:44:14]
say anything further.
[3:44:14]
>> I'm just thinking like John, as I hope I
[3:44:17]
am,
[3:44:18]
>> I'm smiling like crazy, Joe.
[3:44:20]
>> I'm thinking you could have been sitting
[3:44:22]
there. I'm I got to shut up.
[3:44:26]
>> Would anyone else care to comment on
[3:44:28]
this one? Commissioner Zystra,
[3:44:30]
>> I'm not a lawyer. Would kind of tell me
[3:44:32]
what's happening with that?
[3:44:34]
Why would you make that change?
[3:44:35]
>> Should we ask Commission uh Mr. Boli who
[3:44:37]
is here and on the clock.
[3:44:39]
>> We got a lawyer and we got
[3:44:39]
>> we got a lawyer. Let's ask
[3:44:41]
>> pretty smart.
[3:44:42]
>> Yeah.
[3:44:42]
>> Oh, go ahead, Ron.
[3:44:44]
>> Um well, I guess the abil saying any
[3:44:47]
reason or no reason at all is a little
[3:44:49]
broader than for any reason at all. On
[3:44:52]
the other hand, I doubt we have any
[3:44:54]
administrators or department heads who
[3:44:56]
can't come up with a reason. Uh, so it's
[3:45:00]
not a huge significance in in my mind,
[3:45:03]
but I certainly don't object to adding
[3:45:06]
no reason.
[3:45:08]
>> All right. Thank you, sir.
[3:45:10]
>> Can I can I ask another question? When
[3:45:11]
it comes to union contracts, um, could
[3:45:14]
that cause a problem having that wording
[3:45:16]
in there?
[3:45:17]
>> Uh, only if uh the unions negotiate
[3:45:21]
something different regarding remote
[3:45:22]
policy,
[3:45:23]
>> which
[3:45:24]
>> and they can and we can agree to that.
[3:45:25]
What do you
[3:45:26]
>> which they don't. There's nothing in the
[3:45:27]
contracts related to word.
[3:45:28]
>> Okay, that was my question.
[3:45:30]
>> Yeah, there there may be next up. Who
[3:45:32]
knows? All right, let's take a vote on
[3:45:35]
the amendment. Miss Sanchez, would you
[3:45:37]
call the role?
[3:45:38]
>> Mr. Bonama?
[3:45:40]
>> Yes.
[3:45:40]
>> Mr. Jordma?
[3:45:42]
>> Yes.
[3:45:42]
>> Mr. Teles?
[3:45:43]
>> Yes.
[3:45:43]
>> Mrs. Mida?
[3:45:44]
>> Yes.
[3:45:45]
>> Mrs. Wel?
[3:45:46]
>> Yes.
[3:45:46]
>> M. Mr. Barry?
[3:45:48]
>> Yes.
[3:45:48]
>> Mrs. Roodie?
[3:45:49]
>> Yes.
[3:45:50]
>> Mr. Moss?
[3:45:51]
>> Yes.
[3:45:51]
>> Mr. Zystra?
[3:45:52]
>> No.
[3:45:53]
>> Mr. Kyers?
[3:45:54]
>> Yes.
[3:45:55]
>> Mr. Buger? Yes.
[3:45:56]
>> Motion passes.
[3:45:57]
>> All right. So, the motion on the table
[3:45:59]
is to approve the new remote work policy
[3:46:02]
for first reading as amended.
[3:46:06]
>> I think we can vote on this one. Would
[3:46:09]
you do the roll call, Rachel?
[3:46:10]
>> Mr. Kyers?
[3:46:11]
>> Yes.
[3:46:12]
>> Mr. Moss?
[3:46:13]
>> Yes.
[3:46:13]
>> Mrs. Medma?
[3:46:14]
>> No.
[3:46:15]
>> Miss Wzel?
[3:46:17]
>> Yes.
[3:46:17]
>> Mr. Barry?
[3:46:18]
>> Yes.
[3:46:19]
>> Mr. Zystra?
[3:46:20]
>> Yes.
[3:46:20]
>> Mr. Teles?
[3:46:21]
>> Yes.
[3:46:22]
>> Mr. Bonama?
[3:46:23]
>> Yes.
[3:46:23]
>> Mrs. Roodie?
[3:46:24]
>> Yes.
[3:46:25]
>> Mr. Mr. Dortzma.
[3:46:26]
>> Yes.
[3:46:26]
>> Mr. Buger.
[3:46:27]
>> Yes.
[3:46:28]
>> Motion passes.
[3:46:29]
>> All right. Thank you. And then BCDE FFG.
[3:46:33]
We're going through the whole alphabet
[3:46:34]
today. Item G, which was item H on the
[3:46:38]
consent agenda. The suggested motion is
[3:46:41]
to approve the recommendation for Ottawa
[3:46:43]
County to adjust positions, pay grades,
[3:46:45]
and wage scale as recommended to
[3:46:48]
maintain a competitive position in the
[3:46:49]
marketplace, and to authorize the county
[3:46:51]
administrator to make individual wage
[3:46:53]
adjustments as warranted.
[3:46:55]
support.
[3:46:56]
>> Got a motion by Joritzma and supported
[3:46:58]
by Moss as has become the custom.
[3:47:02]
Commissioner Jorrettzma, would you care
[3:47:03]
to lead out on this one?
[3:47:05]
>> Sure. Um, I think there's been some
[3:47:07]
great work done on this. Um, I really
[3:47:11]
appreciated Baker Tilly coming and and
[3:47:13]
giving a rundown of of their processes.
[3:47:16]
Uh, and then I also want to thank
[3:47:18]
Patrick and the other department heads
[3:47:19]
for their diligent work on this as well.
[3:47:21]
I know Patrick had a couple of changes
[3:47:23]
um that he wanted to make. So I
[3:47:26]
appreciate this motion, including um
[3:47:28]
that flexibility to allow him to do
[3:47:30]
those without having to come back to the
[3:47:32]
board. Um
[3:47:34]
so yeah, I look forward to uh to doing
[3:47:37]
this for our employees who work very
[3:47:39]
hard.
[3:47:40]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner uh
[3:47:42]
Commissioner Rodie and then Commissioner
[3:47:44]
Second.
[3:47:44]
>> Oh, I'm sorry. You that is our custom.
[3:47:46]
Yes, it is.
[3:47:47]
>> I'll keep this part brief. Um, two quick
[3:47:50]
questions or just clarity. The changes,
[3:47:53]
I believe we already have the some of
[3:47:54]
those changes back and they looked like
[3:47:55]
they were less than $10,000.
[3:47:57]
>> Less than $7,000.
[3:47:58]
Okay. Thank you. Just
[3:48:00]
wanted to confirm. And then the other
[3:48:02]
confirmation.
[3:48:03]
Um could could you comment just briefly
[3:48:06]
on fiscal what what their input has been
[3:48:09]
on the overall increase
[3:48:13]
>> in terms of
[3:48:15]
>> um the way study will institute some
[3:48:18]
increases across the board. It's not a
[3:48:20]
huge increase. Um it it you know it's a
[3:48:24]
large dollar amount compared to you know
[3:48:27]
$7,000 but that's because it is a wage
[3:48:29]
study that impacts the entire county and
[3:48:32]
1300 employees. Um so when we're looking
[3:48:34]
at an increase is that something that
[3:48:37]
fiscal has looked at and looked at the
[3:48:38]
budget and looked into next year and
[3:48:40]
said yes this looks like something that
[3:48:43]
is going to fit in just fine with our
[3:48:44]
planning.
[3:48:46]
>> Is there any cause for concern? Yes, it is uh it's been evaluated. The the
[3:48:51]
cost estimates um as you know are
[3:48:53]
prrated for this year assuming five
[3:48:55]
months of proration and also assuming
[3:48:58]
the board um approves the recommended
[3:49:02]
meth there's three options as you know.
[3:49:04]
So the financial impact for for the
[3:49:06]
current fiscal year of the remainder
[3:49:08]
would be 561 a little over 561,000
[3:49:12]
and then um you know going forward for
[3:49:15]
the full year that that's also
[3:49:17]
demonstrated in the amount and fiscal
[3:49:19]
has I think answered this in terms of
[3:49:22]
our ability to to cover that shortfall
[3:49:24]
of vacancy savings and contingency.
[3:49:26]
>> Great. Thank you.
[3:49:28]
>> All right. Thank you. And just a side
[3:49:30]
note for commissioners, I know I've got
[3:49:31]
to go back around here, but um Sarah
[3:49:34]
Town is online and available. I have not
[3:49:37]
seen this little picture before on our
[3:49:38]
meeting, so that's quite nice. There
[3:49:41]
Sarah waved. All right. Thank you. I
[3:49:43]
apologize. Who was up next? I've lost
[3:49:45]
track.
[3:49:45]
>> Uh I think it was Silia.
[3:49:47]
>> Silia and then Doug. Yeah.
[3:49:49]
>> Um sure. So, um I think that I think
[3:49:53]
that we have received a number of
[3:49:56]
concerns. Um we have letters um that
[3:49:58]
we've received from three judges. Judge
[3:50:00]
Bunts from the district court, Judge Van
[3:50:03]
Alsberg from the circuit court, Judge
[3:50:05]
Dolman from the probate court. Um each
[3:50:07]
of whom have you know um indicated uh
[3:50:11]
they have several concerns with the the
[3:50:13]
results of the wage study and even you
[3:50:16]
know that it's not been transparent and
[3:50:18]
they haven't re received the full you
[3:50:20]
know release of the wage study. Um,
[3:50:23]
we've heard from a number of people here
[3:50:25]
today with concerns. Um, so I would make
[3:50:29]
a motion to schedule a work session for
[3:50:32]
further review prior to this board
[3:50:34]
making a decision to implement the wage
[3:50:36]
study so that we can um give further
[3:50:38]
consideration to these concerns.
[3:50:41]
>> So there's a motion to
[3:50:42]
>> support discussion
[3:50:44]
>> motion and support to schedule a work
[3:50:46]
session to further discuss the wage
[3:50:48]
study. Uh, Commissioner Roodie, do you
[3:50:50]
have any further comments on that or
[3:50:51]
should we go to Commissioner Mida?
[3:50:53]
>> Uh, no, you can move on.
[3:50:54]
>> Okay. All right. Commissioner Mida,
[3:50:56]
>> I'm sorry. Just as a point of order. Is
[3:50:58]
that a gerantine motion?
[3:51:01]
>> Apologies to table this. We have
[3:51:04]
>> I can I think it would be to motion to
[3:51:06]
table it until a work session can be
[3:51:08]
had.
[3:51:08]
>> Thank you. Yes,
[3:51:09]
>> Jordan. Actually, thank you, Ron.
[3:51:11]
Nodding. Ron's nodding. Thank you. All
[3:51:13]
right. So, the motion is to table um
[3:51:15]
item H. Well, sorry. Are you voting to
[3:51:18]
table it or are you voting to move it to
[3:51:20]
a work set?
[3:51:20]
>> We're voting it to table it until a work
[3:51:22]
session.
[3:51:23]
>> Going right to a roll call vote right
[3:51:24]
now.
[3:51:25]
>> Otherwise, if you don't table it, then
[3:51:27]
we can actually discuss it. But we have
[3:51:30]
a you're not amending the motion in any
[3:51:32]
way
[3:51:34]
>> to to move it to a work session
[3:51:37]
>> procedurally require
[3:51:38]
>> I think the basically we can either have
[3:51:41]
a discussion and out of that discussion
[3:51:43]
there could raise a uh there could arise
[3:51:46]
a desire to table it and then table it
[3:51:49]
or we can have a motion to table it now.
[3:51:51]
>> I'll withdraw my motion for right now so
[3:51:53]
we can have a discussion.
[3:51:55]
>> Okay, that works. You're going to
[3:51:57]
withdraw your Well, agenda. I don't have
[3:51:59]
to withdraw, but I'm sure you don't. Y
[3:52:01]
>> I do have a comment.
[3:52:02]
>> And you have a comment about that motion
[3:52:03]
or that idea. Thank you. If we were to
[3:52:07]
move to table, one thing that I think
[3:52:10]
would be something I would appreciate in
[3:52:12]
a work session is going through some of
[3:52:15]
the concerns that were brought forward
[3:52:17]
by the judges as well as a request that
[3:52:20]
was made in one of the emails from the
[3:52:22]
judges was a legal opinion and that has
[3:52:25]
not been provided to the board at this
[3:52:26]
point. And I think that is something
[3:52:28]
that we I I personally would like to see
[3:52:31]
a legal opinion um fleshed out a little
[3:52:34]
bit. And uh another comment that was
[3:52:38]
made was that this was taken away from
[3:52:40]
the portal. And so there was some
[3:52:42]
information that
[3:52:44]
um employees and the public did not feel
[3:52:47]
like they had a better um the best
[3:52:50]
understanding. And so I think out of
[3:52:52]
transparency that would give a little
[3:52:54]
bit of um time to get that ready um for
[3:52:58]
their full understanding. And I think
[3:53:01]
for that matter for mine I there were a
[3:53:04]
lot of emails we received from staff um
[3:53:06]
apart from the judges as well that um I
[3:53:10]
think there was one that was a back and
[3:53:12]
forth one and I don't think all of those
[3:53:15]
questions have been answered yet to my
[3:53:17]
satisfaction yet from the email we
[3:53:19]
received
[3:53:21]
later in the day yesterday. um and for
[3:53:24]
that matter the email that you sent out,
[3:53:26]
Patrick, I haven't had an opportunity to
[3:53:28]
really flesh that out and compare um to
[3:53:31]
what's been presented to us yet.
[3:53:34]
>> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner.
[3:53:35]
Moss.
[3:53:36]
>> So, this was up for this agenda. Um so,
[3:53:39]
I completely understand having it on
[3:53:40]
here and looking to either move it
[3:53:42]
forward or have discussion. Um, I would
[3:53:46]
be very comfortable with pushing this
[3:53:50]
either to the next meeting or to a work
[3:53:51]
session or whatever it might be just to
[3:53:53]
give administration a little extra time.
[3:53:55]
The questions that came in or some of
[3:53:57]
the concerns I I believe have come in
[3:54:00]
since it was on committee. So, I would
[3:54:04]
support
[3:54:05]
giving it a little bit more time just to
[3:54:07]
work through those if there's no reason
[3:54:09]
to rush it.
[3:54:11]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. And I, by the
[3:54:13]
way, apologies to the board. I just
[3:54:14]
realized that we have one original
[3:54:16]
motion still on the table and we're
[3:54:18]
supposed to go around one time to
[3:54:19]
everybody and a maximum of two. Uh, so
[3:54:22]
Commissioner Moss has now spoken twice,
[3:54:23]
but I did not give Commissioner Zlesto
[3:54:26]
the floor.
[3:54:27]
>> Um,
[3:54:29]
sir, would you care to comment?
[3:54:31]
>> Where were we on your motion?
[3:54:33]
>> It's I withdrew it. So,
[3:54:36]
>> we're on the original motion to approve
[3:54:38]
>> for discussion. So I I I I wanted to ask
[3:54:41]
because I did sympathize with the idea
[3:54:43]
of taking a little step back. I mean
[3:54:48]
I think the non-union union issues
[3:54:51]
important. Uh I think a lot of people
[3:54:52]
spoke to us public comment uh the judges
[3:54:56]
letters as well as emails. Uh and I'm
[3:54:58]
very sympathetic. I think that can
[3:55:00]
easily be solved by choosing a different
[3:55:03]
option. I think A is the recommended
[3:55:05]
option and and B would solve that issue.
[3:55:08]
I think for the most part um the step
[3:55:11]
eight option was um
[3:55:14]
uh the step eight option being taken
[3:55:16]
away was
[3:55:18]
uh pretty
[3:55:19]
um did come to us quite often especially
[3:55:23]
in the judges letters as well as emails.
[3:55:26]
Um,
[3:55:28]
and I guess maybe I'd like to make a
[3:55:31]
motion to add back the step eight um on
[3:55:34]
a grandfathered basis and that would
[3:55:37]
address that issue.
[3:55:39]
>> Okay. So, we've got a motion to add back
[3:55:41]
step eight. Is there a second?
[3:55:43]
>> I will second it for discussion.
[3:55:46]
>> Right. Doug, anything further?
[3:55:48]
>> Yeah. No, I I I think that we're down to
[3:55:51]
20 21 folks who are at step eight.
[3:55:54]
Scott, is that right?
[3:55:56]
Yeah. So, there's not a ton of folks,
[3:55:58]
but I think that, you know, the idea of
[3:56:01]
making them wait two or three years for
[3:56:02]
a coal adjustment doesn't make sense. I
[3:56:05]
mean, the original purpose of step 8 was
[3:56:08]
to incentivize long-standing employees
[3:56:11]
just kind of does the opposite. Um, so
[3:56:14]
grandfathering those folks who have it.
[3:56:16]
I understand the logic of Baker Tilly
[3:56:19]
and removing it, but at the same time,
[3:56:22]
you know, what that does to folks who
[3:56:24]
have it. I think that, you know, there's
[3:56:26]
a balance there and I think
[3:56:28]
grandfathering those folks in makes
[3:56:30]
sense to me. Go ahead, Scott.
[3:56:32]
>> Yeah, if I may, uh, Mr. Chair, Mr. Vice
[3:56:36]
Chair, and esteemed board. Um, yeah,
[3:56:39]
there was 29 um, let's see, 21 30 looks
[3:56:43]
like 30 at step eight. And if if we did
[3:56:47]
nothing um and left at eight um none of
[3:56:51]
those 30 would get any type of increase
[3:56:53]
any any any increase except for the uh
[3:56:56]
the colus moving forward because of the
[3:56:58]
adjustment in the proposed wage scale.
[3:57:01]
Uh nine of those employees at step 8 uh
[3:57:05]
will get an increase uh with this
[3:57:08]
proposed uh new wage scale. Uh and then
[3:57:11]
21 who were already uh red circled will
[3:57:14]
remain red circled. So I just wanted to
[3:57:16]
add that note.
[3:57:17]
>> Thank you, sir. That you still have the
[3:57:19]
floor.
[3:57:19]
>> No, I I I appreciate that, Scott. And
[3:57:22]
yeah, that kind of
[3:57:26]
Yeah, I mean it's I I would hate to have
[3:57:30]
three or four years after we we
[3:57:32]
implement something to incentivize
[3:57:35]
longer term employees uh to take that
[3:57:37]
incentive away. And so yeah,
[3:57:39]
>> all right. Thank you, Joe.
[3:57:42]
>> Um, I hear Commissioner Zstro's
[3:57:43]
concerns. I absolutely believe that
[3:57:46]
that's not the intent of what's going on
[3:57:48]
here. And
[3:57:49]
>> I didn't say it was Oh, I know. I know.
[3:57:51]
>> I understand that there was a logic to
[3:57:53]
this, the removal, but the consequence
[3:57:56]
of it.
[3:57:57]
>> So, I I believe Commissioners and I
[3:57:59]
agree on that. And I think it would be
[3:58:01]
really helpful just to give this a
[3:58:03]
little bit more time to breathe so that
[3:58:05]
there's too much detail here to go
[3:58:06]
through every single thing right now.
[3:58:09]
There's there have been a lot of emails.
[3:58:11]
There have there are concerns from
[3:58:12]
individuals. It's not two or three. It's more. So, I think we should just
[3:58:17]
give it some time. Just give it you know
[3:58:19]
what put it up next month. Let
[3:58:20]
administration work through it with HR
[3:58:22]
and just, you know, it probably settled
[3:58:24]
almost I think they could probably
[3:58:26]
settle most of those by then.
[3:58:28]
>> So, we've got a motion on the table to
[3:58:30]
add section eight. Would anyone care to
[3:58:32]
discuss that specifically or shall we
[3:58:34]
have a vote on it?
[3:58:36]
>> You wanna Sylvia regarding section
[3:58:38]
eight. Sorry,
[3:58:38]
>> regarding regarding um section 8, I just
[3:58:42]
want to um read off some of the
[3:58:44]
positions that I believe are included in
[3:58:46]
this in this section because these are our these are our higher level
[3:58:52]
positions within the county. So some of
[3:58:54]
them are uh director of probation and
[3:58:56]
community corrections, district court
[3:58:58]
administrator, public defender, circuit
[3:59:00]
court administrator, under sheriff,
[3:59:02]
chief assistant public defender,
[3:59:04]
juvenile court director, public health
[3:59:06]
officer, friend of the court, mental
[3:59:08]
health court practitioner, chief deputy
[3:59:10]
sheriff's office, licensed clinical
[3:59:12]
manager, deputy health officer, senior
[3:59:15]
attorney, parks and recreation director,
[3:59:17]
facilities director, equalization
[3:59:19]
director, nurse practitioner, assistant
[3:59:21]
public defender three, Superintendent of
[3:59:24]
Detention, Assistant Prosecuting
[3:59:26]
Attorney 2, Local Unit Unity Financial
[3:59:29]
Leaison, and Veteran Services Director.
[3:59:32]
So, uh, this particular block of people
[3:59:36]
are key leadership for our county. And
[3:59:38]
so, they're they're not positions, and
[3:59:41]
correct me if I have those positions
[3:59:43]
wrong, but
[3:59:43]
>> you do. Okay.
[3:59:45]
>> Okay.
[3:59:45]
>> Yeah. There's some I know for a fact are
[3:59:47]
not correct. They're not anymore.
[3:59:48]
>> Okay. Great. Is it true though? Um, is
[3:59:51]
it could you could you answer me? Is it
[3:59:53]
true though that um some of those
[3:59:56]
positions who have the step eight option
[4:00:00]
are some of the senior leadership within
[4:00:01]
the county across the departments?
[4:00:04]
>> I would say that's that that's partially
[4:00:07]
accurate. I would say that um when we
[4:00:10]
think of someone at a top step, we often
[4:00:12]
think and they've vetted out many many
[4:00:14]
years of service and we like to think
[4:00:16]
pure that they all started at step one
[4:00:19]
and they moved their way up through the
[4:00:20]
chain. Um not not necessarily the case.
[4:00:23]
We have we have some that were hired in
[4:00:25]
frankly u just just the circumstances
[4:00:28]
hired in at a very doesn't mean they're
[4:00:30]
not valued performers. I'm not
[4:00:31]
suggesting that by any means, but um the the adage of you know they they've
[4:00:36]
been with us so long and so forth and
[4:00:37]
can't um you know not recognize that. So
[4:00:40]
it isn't it isn't all uh folks that have
[4:00:43]
just uh you know have you know strong
[4:00:45]
you know long longtime loyalty with the
[4:00:47]
comp with
[4:00:48]
>> so they might not have longtime loyalty
[4:00:50]
but are they largely in the lead
[4:00:52]
>> valued of course in high highly valued
[4:00:55]
leaders highly valued employees in
[4:00:57]
general of course I just wanted to point
[4:00:58]
that out because I think I heard some
[4:01:00]
saying they've been with us and uh this
[4:01:02]
and that so long so it's not always the
[4:01:04]
case but for what it was worth.
[4:01:06]
>> Commissioner Ro anything else?
[4:01:08]
>> Nope. All right, Commissioner Toples and
[4:01:11]
then Commissioner Barry.
[4:01:13]
>> So, I've been gone the last couple of
[4:01:15]
weeks and uh obviously I'm guessing
[4:01:17]
there my email must be box must be full
[4:01:20]
um from what I'm hearing. U including
[4:01:23]
these three judges opinion, right? Can
[4:01:25]
someone fill me in on maybe what the
[4:01:27]
judges are suggesting that the legal
[4:01:29]
opinion address? What's the issue?
[4:01:31]
They're they're very long emails, very
[4:01:34]
long letters,
[4:01:35]
>> very thorough,
[4:01:35]
>> and it would take a while to go back for
[4:01:40]
that yet or no,
[4:01:40]
>> I've not seen it.
[4:01:41]
>> Haven't either. for comment on that if I
[4:01:44]
may. Um, I've been privy to the letters
[4:01:46]
myself and I know that one of the uh one
[4:01:51]
of the suggestions was uh or or I think
[4:01:54]
the uh uh the analysis of what's going
[4:01:57]
on is that we're violating the National
[4:01:59]
Labor Relations Act, the NLR. Um we're a
[4:02:02]
public sector uh organization and we're
[4:02:04]
not covered under the NLR. Um there's
[4:02:07]
clearly uh in my estimation I am a labor
[4:02:10]
relations professional. I'm not a I'm
[4:02:12]
not a lawyer one with my uh uh my
[4:02:15]
experience but uh been in labor
[4:02:16]
relations many many many years and I can
[4:02:19]
tell you that there is no legal issue
[4:02:20]
here. Um the collective bargaining
[4:02:23]
agreements speak to the requirements uh
[4:02:25]
the working conditions of union
[4:02:27]
employees. Uh the county will follow
[4:02:29]
those uh collective bargaining
[4:02:31]
agreements to a tea and has been doing
[4:02:32]
so. So, I just want to make it clear. My
[4:02:35]
opinion would be that there is no uh
[4:02:37]
reason to use taxpayer dollars uh for
[4:02:40]
legal expenses. Pause.
[4:02:42]
>> Mr. Chair,
[4:02:44]
>> sorry, just Mr. Toples has the floor.
[4:02:46]
Apologies.
[4:02:46]
>> No, I I uh I think that's enough for me
[4:02:49]
right now. So, okay.
[4:02:50]
>> I just read one of the
[4:02:52]
>> All right. Before Joe goes number two on
[4:02:56]
the amendment, I'm trying my best, guys.
[4:02:58]
Is there anybody else who would like to
[4:02:59]
comment? Number eight. Sorry. That's
[4:03:02]
right. Jim, thank you. Ben, it's 1:00,
[4:03:04]
guys. Sorry.
[4:03:06]
>> I'm beginning to feel like this probably
[4:03:08]
needs to percolate a little bit longer.
[4:03:12]
Um, I have some questions on um employees covered under union
[4:03:18]
contracts. I' I' I'd be very interested
[4:03:21]
to know more about what's precedence in
[4:03:24]
this kind of a situation where they're
[4:03:26]
kind of mid in a existing contract that
[4:03:31]
all sides have agreed to and then we get
[4:03:33]
a wage study which is going to create an
[4:03:36]
increase for some employees but
[4:03:39]
not all. So I I I guess I would like to
[4:03:42]
know what precedent is on that. Um
[4:03:45]
>> is that a is that a question to me that
[4:03:49]
if this does come around for another
[4:03:51]
work session, that's something I'd like
[4:03:53]
to get a little more information on if
[4:03:55]
we can.
[4:03:57]
And then uh
[4:03:59]
the ranking of the employees um if I
[4:04:03]
remember right um in the original
[4:04:05]
presentation on this um it showed that
[4:04:08]
Ottawa County um does very well a little
[4:04:11]
better than average as far as
[4:04:13]
compensation for uh the lower the lower
[4:04:16]
level or the entry positions, but we're
[4:04:19]
a little bit behind the curve on on the
[4:04:21]
higher end of the scale. So, I don't
[4:04:23]
know if these rankings of people that
[4:04:26]
are in the eight range, I'm not sure how
[4:04:28]
all this plays out, but I I think we
[4:04:30]
should be sensitive that we want to make
[4:04:32]
sure we're competitive on longer tenure
[4:04:35]
or higher level positions.
[4:04:38]
>> Sorry, Scott, before you go, and Jim,
[4:04:41]
very much value your comments and
[4:04:43]
everybody else's, but we have a motion
[4:04:45]
on the table to amend section 8. We're
[4:04:47]
talking about a lot of different things
[4:04:48]
which is great and they're all valid.
[4:04:50]
>> But I'd like to do a roll call on the
[4:04:52]
amendment as proposed and if you could
[4:04:55]
read that again Rachel.
[4:04:56]
>> Yeah, I have a question. I I would be
[4:04:59]
>> starting section eight. I just had to
[4:05:00]
Okay, thank you. All right, go for it.
[4:05:02]
>> It's about the t It's about the timing
[4:05:04]
of the motion. So I I'm not opposed
[4:05:06]
necessarily to entertain that motion,
[4:05:10]
but I would rather go through a work
[4:05:12]
session first. So I guess I would rather
[4:05:14]
see where the board is as it relates to
[4:05:15]
a work session and then once I know that
[4:05:20]
then I would rather come back to this
[4:05:22]
motion,
[4:05:22]
>> right? And so that's why it asked the
[4:05:23]
commissioner roadie if that motion to
[4:05:25]
table is still on the table so to speak
[4:05:28]
uh because I'm willing to with I mean
[4:05:30]
the idea was if we're not going to go to
[4:05:33]
a work session and we have these
[4:05:34]
concerns well let's dive in and fix the
[4:05:37]
concerns but if we are going to go to a
[4:05:39]
work session then I then I'll withdraw
[4:05:40]
them.
[4:05:40]
>> Would you be willing to withdraw and the
[4:05:42]
motion at this point in time be added
[4:05:44]
for a work session and then seeing where
[4:05:47]
that goes then may go back to yours.
[4:05:49]
>> Yeah, I'll withdraw without any
[4:05:51]
conditions. How about that?
[4:05:52]
>> Okay, thank you.
[4:05:52]
>> Wonderful.
[4:05:53]
>> Okay, so we're back to the original
[4:05:54]
motion which I believe Joe has spoken
[4:05:58]
twice on. I'm sorry you're cut off at
[4:06:00]
the moment unless somebody makes an
[4:06:01]
amendment.
[4:06:03]
>> I'd like to make an amendment.
[4:06:06]
» I'm not really sure how Robert's rules
[4:06:08]
works on that one, but Joe, go for it.
[4:06:11]
Uh if if it's all right with the chair,
[4:06:13]
I'd just like to remind everybody what I
[4:06:15]
said in the beginning. Our administrator
[4:06:17]
did a great job looking at the
[4:06:18]
adjustments and it was under $7,000.
[4:06:21]
Um I don't know if we need a work
[4:06:23]
session. Uh but I do think we I think
[4:06:26]
the administration could just use a
[4:06:27]
little bit more time um to handle some
[4:06:30]
of the questions. I don't think there's
[4:06:31]
anything abnormal going on here. There's
[4:06:34]
nothing that's I'm assuming there's
[4:06:36]
probably nothing different from prior
[4:06:38]
years. There's just a few questions that
[4:06:40]
probably need a little more time and
[4:06:43]
then I think probably we'll get strong
[4:06:46]
support for this item.
[4:06:50]
>> All right, Joe, do you have
[4:06:51]
>> I don't have an amendment. No, sorry.
[4:06:52]
>> Yeah, let's not do that again, y'all. I
[4:06:54]
appreciate it, but
[4:06:55]
>> make a motion to table if you'd like.
[4:06:57]
>> Yes, please.
[4:06:57]
>> Motion to table this then.
[4:06:59]
>> Is there a second?
[4:07:00]
>> Second.
[4:07:01]
>> All right. Motion to table. Uh there is
[4:07:03]
no discussion on a motion to table. So
[4:07:05]
Rachel, would you call the role?
[4:07:08]
Mr. Tuples,
[4:07:12]
» can I ask a clarification question to
[4:07:15]
the just motion to table?
[4:07:18]
>> I'm just motioning the table for now.
[4:07:20]
>> We're doing
[4:07:20]
>> that's it. No session, no nothing. Just
[4:07:22]
motion to table.
[4:07:23]
>> What happens to it after this? Is
[4:07:24]
>> can I can I clarify a question? Ron, I'm
[4:07:27]
gonna turn to you
[4:07:28]
>> about the motion or because it does that kind of depends on how I would the
[4:07:32]
answer that question affects my
[4:07:34]
>> the motion is to table in which case it
[4:07:36]
would be on your agenda for your next
[4:07:39]
meeting unless something else happens
[4:07:41]
but if uh if the mo I don't know that
[4:07:44]
you need to clarify that.
[4:07:45]
>> Is that how it goes Ron or is it not on
[4:07:47]
the table unless we put it back on the
[4:07:49]
table?
[4:07:50]
>> It is up to the table.
[4:07:51]
>> It's automatically I I'm not correct me.
[4:07:53]
Isn't it automatically off the table
[4:07:55]
unless it's put back on another table?
[4:07:58]
>> If it's put on the agenda.
[4:08:00]
>> Yeah, if it's put on agenda.
[4:08:01]
>> Yeah. Right. So, something has to
[4:08:02]
happen.
[4:08:03]
>> I was assuming. Yeah. Right. You're
[4:08:04]
correct. That is correct.
[4:08:06]
>> I'd put it on the agenda again.
[4:08:08]
>> I was assuming that.
[4:08:09]
>> Okay.
[4:08:11]
>> You call the role, please.
[4:08:14]
>> Mr. Tles.
[4:08:15]
>> Yes.
[4:08:15]
>> Mr. Zystra.
[4:08:22]
Uh, no. Sorry,
[4:08:24]
>> Mr. Kyers.
[4:08:25]
>> No,
[4:08:26]
>> Mr. Barry.
[4:08:28]
>> Yes,
[4:08:28]
>> Mr. Moss.
[4:08:30]
>> Yes,
[4:08:30]
>> Mr. Jordma.
[4:08:31]
>> No,
[4:08:32]
>> Mrs. Roadie.
[4:08:33]
>> Yes,
[4:08:34]
>> Mrs. Nema.
[4:08:35]
>> Yes,
[4:08:36]
>> Mr. Bonama.
[4:08:38]
>> Sorry, Mr. Bonama. It cut out.
[4:08:40]
>> You're good. Yes,
[4:08:42]
>> Mrs. Wzel.
[4:08:43]
>> Yes,
[4:08:44]
>> Mr. Buger.
[4:08:45]
>> No.
[4:08:46]
>> Motion passes. That was the strangest
[4:08:49]
scenario there that I've ever
[4:08:51]
experienced. That's great, guys. Um, so
[4:08:53]
at the moment, and Patrick, I'll
[4:08:54]
identify in just a moment. Uh, we have
[4:08:56]
tabled this. Uh, I will I do anticipate,
[4:08:59]
as Ron indicated, putting this on the
[4:09:00]
agenda. Um, I think our esteemed uh,
[4:09:04]
county administrator may have a qu a few
[4:09:06]
questions.
[4:09:07]
>> Just just a comment and and you know,
[4:09:12]
so I started working on this as soon as
[4:09:14]
I got here. It was presented to me. So,
[4:09:17]
you know, in October and and we have
[4:09:19]
been working very diligently to address
[4:09:23]
all of the concerns with this study.
[4:09:25]
Wage studies and I've been involved with
[4:09:27]
a few of them are never fun. Um you will
[4:09:31]
never have any everyone coming here and
[4:09:33]
saying we support this holistically. Um,
[4:09:37]
the one thing I will say with the nature
[4:09:39]
of all of the questions that have been
[4:09:41]
raised are very much in regards to
[4:09:44]
appealing what the findings were or
[4:09:46]
appealing the methodology. We had we
[4:09:49]
have Sarah here today. We have HR here
[4:09:52]
today. We were prepared to ask answer
[4:09:54]
those questions and we will do so again.
[4:09:57]
Um, but we didn't have any questions
[4:09:59]
that were raised that we were able to
[4:10:01]
ask or answer today and we were prepared
[4:10:03]
to do that. So, I am a little frustrated
[4:10:05]
because this will withhold this another
[4:10:08]
month. Um, employees are frustrated with
[4:10:10]
that it hasn't been implemented yet.
[4:10:12]
>> Yeah.
[4:10:13]
>> And and without knowing what the
[4:10:14]
questions are,
[4:10:16]
uh, we can't answer them for you. Um, so
[4:10:20]
please articulate what those concerns
[4:10:23]
are. As I said in my email, we have gone
[4:10:26]
over this hours and hours and hours and
[4:10:29]
with Sarah, with her team, we're
[4:10:31]
confident in the data. We're confident
[4:10:32]
in the findings. We wouldn't be
[4:10:34]
presenting it to you if we didn't feel
[4:10:36]
it was a a well done wage study.
[4:10:39]
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. Scott, I noticed
[4:10:41]
you stand up. We'll give you the the
[4:10:42]
floor for just a moment and then we got
[4:10:43]
to move on.
[4:10:43]
>> Quick moment. I I would support uh the
[4:10:45]
county administrator Waterman's comments
[4:10:48]
uh fully. Um I would add um that um
[4:10:52]
because of yet another delay um what
[4:10:54]
we're going to to note to know uh uh
[4:10:57]
negative uh connotation to this board
[4:11:00]
but there have been some delays uh
[4:11:02]
internally um that is going to delay um
[4:11:05]
you know our employees once again from
[4:11:07]
uh you know market increases that are
[4:11:09]
due to them um that those employees
[4:11:12]
don't have the right to bargain um our
[4:11:14]
other employees that are unionized will
[4:11:16]
have their rights to bargain. Sorry.
[4:11:18]
>> Thank you, sir. Uh let's move on in our
[4:11:19]
agenda. Next item is number nine,
[4:11:21]
committee reports. Are there any
[4:11:23]
committee reports? Don't believe there
[4:11:26]
are. In which case, we'd move on to item
[4:11:28]
number 10, which is public comment. Uh
[4:11:31]
second call to the audience if you'd
[4:11:32]
like to address the board. Uh now,
[4:11:35]
please approach the podium. Um provide
[4:11:38]
your name and uh I guess relevance to
[4:11:40]
your conversation topic. Or Jason, you
[4:11:43]
can tell us if you want. Hi,
[4:11:46]
>> Jason Chamblin. I'm a resident of
[4:11:49]
Parisburg, also the parks director. So,
[4:11:51]
just a quick update wanted to share.
[4:11:53]
I'll pass out. Brian, can I hand you
[4:11:55]
these? So, spring summer newsletter um
[4:11:58]
is out and we're doing a new program
[4:12:02]
this upcoming season. So, we're calling
[4:12:04]
it our leadership perspective hike. So,
[4:12:07]
um we're trying to host um guided hikes
[4:12:11]
in all of our parks or a lot of our
[4:12:12]
parks throughout the county. So, our
[4:12:14]
first one is next Tuesday um at Gross
[4:12:17]
Park. So, I've already reached out to
[4:12:19]
Allison and invited her. They are they
[4:12:21]
will be bright and early at 7:00 a.m. in
[4:12:23]
the morning um for about an hour and a
[4:12:25]
half and just learn a little bit about
[4:12:26]
the parks, but then connect with staff
[4:12:29]
and uh talk about where we're headed
[4:12:31]
organizationally. So, just an
[4:12:33]
opportunity um I'll reach out to each of
[4:12:36]
you as those are approaching. So, I
[4:12:38]
think that's a couple pages deep in
[4:12:40]
there. Um but then also we recently just
[4:12:43]
sent out a press release. So the um this
[4:12:48]
our natural resources crew will be doing
[4:12:50]
um several control burns. So we use
[4:12:53]
prescribed fire to help manage some of
[4:12:55]
our natural resources. Um and we're
[4:12:57]
coordinating these this upcoming
[4:12:59]
weekend. So Friday Grand River Park um
[4:13:03]
Saturday Sterns Creek and then Sunday
[4:13:07]
Eastmanville Bayou. So that's all, you
[4:13:09]
know, we coordinate locally with the um
[4:13:12]
local fire department and um we have a a
[4:13:15]
certified burn boss on each of those and
[4:13:19]
um we make the call then the day of
[4:13:21]
depending on weather conditions. But um
[4:13:24]
just a another opportunity to pass that
[4:13:27]
information along. So thanks everybody.
[4:13:29]
>> Thank you Jason. Is there anyone else?
[4:13:34]
Okay, I think we had an individual or
[4:13:36]
two online. Are they able to get in now?
[4:13:39]
>> Roger. Jonas,
[4:13:43]
» Roger, if you can hear us, go right
[4:13:45]
ahead.
[4:13:50]
» I can stall for Roger. Roger's nickname
[4:13:52]
is Roger Boom Boom Jonas because he has
[4:13:55]
been in charge of the Grand Haven Coast
[4:13:56]
Guard fireworks for a very long time.
[4:14:01]
That still long enough for Roger?
[4:14:06]
All right. I do apologize. Is there
[4:14:08]
anyone else? Was that it online?
[4:14:12]
>> That Rogers logged in twice, so it's
[4:14:14]
showing he had his hand up twice. Okay.
[4:14:17]
Unfortunately, um
[4:14:19]
>> we're unable to connect.
[4:14:20]
>> Mr. Jonas, if you would like to email
[4:14:22]
us, you are welcome to do so. All right,
[4:14:24]
that will uh close the public comment
[4:14:27]
portion of our agenda. Uh on to item
[4:14:29]
number 11, which is additional business.
[4:14:31]
Uh item A on additional business is
[4:14:33]
discussion on consumers energy deep well
[4:14:35]
injection public hearing.
[4:14:38]
I guess I got to lead this off patron.
[4:14:40]
Okay. So, this is on the agenda as a
[4:14:42]
discussion item because a number of
[4:14:44]
commissioners um have
[4:14:47]
approached me requesting that we discuss
[4:14:50]
further whether or not uh we as a board
[4:14:52]
ought to take action regarding the EPA's
[4:14:56]
um proposal to approve two deep water
[4:14:58]
wells for consumers. Um, just as
[4:15:02]
backstory, uh, we've had a number of
[4:15:03]
individuals who've reached, well, I will
[4:15:05]
say for myself personally, a number of
[4:15:06]
individuals who have reached out, uh, as
[4:15:09]
CC the board on it asking that we would
[4:15:11]
encourage the EPA to hold a public
[4:15:13]
hearing. Uh, Consumers Energy has also
[4:15:15]
requested that the EPA hold a public
[4:15:17]
hearing as well as Port Sheldon, I
[4:15:20]
believe Jim, Commissioner Barry's
[4:15:22]
district has requested it. So, the
[4:15:24]
question for us today is, do we as a
[4:15:26]
board want to take action on that? uh
[4:15:28]
what that action might look like and uh
[4:15:31]
or not at all. So, I will open the floor
[4:15:34]
if anybody would like to speak to this.
[4:15:36]
Actually, I think I may put this over to
[4:15:37]
Commissioner Barry because this is
[4:15:39]
coming out of his district in
[4:15:40]
particular. So, Jim, if you'd lead us
[4:15:41]
off. Okay. the um this is this is an item that
[4:15:48]
generated a lot of lot of interest and
[4:15:51]
um comment from um folks in the area um
[4:15:56]
about plans for this injection well. Um
[4:16:03]
I've probably spent a lot more time on
[4:16:04]
this than I ever thought I would on an
[4:16:07]
injection well
[4:16:09]
thing. Uh but this has to do with with
[4:16:12]
the byproduct of burning coal at the
[4:16:14]
Campbell plant and some of this uh
[4:16:18]
product that's left over. Uh what do
[4:16:20]
they do with it? And um
[4:16:24]
uh they're currently um
[4:16:30]
as they're producing coal, they're using
[4:16:32]
water to cool turbines. And then then
[4:16:34]
the water gets discharged back into the
[4:16:36]
channel. and what's in those settling
[4:16:39]
ponds from pod ash residue. Um, under
[4:16:43]
eagle supervision and permitting,
[4:16:46]
they're
[4:16:48]
taking diluted amounts of that material
[4:16:51]
and pumping it back into the into the
[4:16:53]
lake. Um, I'm not sure people fully
[4:16:57]
understand that. um when the Campbell
[4:16:59]
plant eventually closes, whenever that
[4:17:02]
might be, they won't have the water
[4:17:04]
that's passing through um to be to
[4:17:07]
continue that process. And that's why
[4:17:09]
they're looking at doing these deep
[4:17:11]
injection wells. Um it's not my job to
[4:17:15]
uh justify this or explain what
[4:17:17]
Consumers is trying to do. Uh, but I
[4:17:20]
think people have legitimate concerns
[4:17:22]
about this and have questions uh
[4:17:25]
legitimate questions to be answered for
[4:17:27]
it. And I think a public hearing that
[4:17:30]
the EPA would host would be u the form
[4:17:33]
for that. I think for uh for us to uh
[4:17:38]
show some support for a public hearing
[4:17:40]
isn't telling consumers what to do. As a
[4:17:43]
matter of fact, they as was as
[4:17:46]
Commissioner Burgerer mentioned,
[4:17:48]
Consumers has already requested um a a
[4:17:51]
hearing from the EPA. Um what I would
[4:17:55]
hope we we could do is show support for
[4:17:58]
the resolution that Park Township Board
[4:18:00]
of Trustees issued requesting a hearing
[4:18:04]
from from the EPA
[4:18:06]
um on this on this matter. And then um any action we take would show uh
[4:18:13]
support for what Port Sheldon Township's
[4:18:15]
trying to do and also uh would
[4:18:18]
communicate to our constituents in our
[4:18:20]
area that um we're aware of the
[4:18:22]
situation or taking note of it. Um we're
[4:18:25]
not telling anybody what to do. We're
[4:18:27]
just uh supporting the township in their
[4:18:29]
effort to get a hearing on this. I think
[4:18:32]
that's probably going to happen. Uh I
[4:18:34]
had heard that over 60
[4:18:37]
uh people had written uh requests to the
[4:18:40]
EPA wanting a a public hearing on this.
[4:18:44]
Um but I think it would still be good
[4:18:46]
and I think it would be proper for the
[4:18:48]
board to take a position on this to show
[4:18:51]
support for local unit of government and
[4:18:53]
some of the concern that uh folks have
[4:18:55]
on this issue.
[4:18:57]
>> Thank you uh Commissioner Barry. So
[4:18:58]
generally speaking we have Commissioner
[4:19:00]
Barry would like the board to take
[4:19:02]
action. Does anybody else have any
[4:19:04]
further thoughts on that?
[4:19:06]
>> Commissioner Mida,
[4:19:08]
>> um, did you have a specific request that
[4:19:10]
you're hoping that our board would
[4:19:12]
entertain, Commissioner Barry?
[4:19:14]
>> Um, normally the board would issue a
[4:19:17]
resolution that would be a a resolution.
[4:19:20]
Um, you could tinker with the language a
[4:19:23]
little bit on that and just make it a
[4:19:24]
letter of support.
[4:19:27]
um which makes it a little slightly less
[4:19:29]
official I think but it still would put
[4:19:32]
the board on on record on this. Um,
[4:19:37]
just
[4:19:39]
language on this could be uh worked with
[4:19:42]
a little bit, but I I was thinking the
[4:19:43]
Ottawa County Board of Commissioners
[4:19:45]
support the Port Sheldon Township Board
[4:19:47]
of Trustees resolution requesting the
[4:19:49]
Environmental Protection Agency hold
[4:19:51]
public hearing regarding consumer
[4:19:53]
energy's request to the EPA for the
[4:19:56]
issuance of a class one non-hazardous
[4:19:58]
underground injections permits for two
[4:20:00]
wells to be located at the JH Campbell
[4:20:03]
generating facility.
[4:20:04]
members of the community have raised
[4:20:06]
questions and concerns regarding the
[4:20:08]
plan. It would be to the public good to
[4:20:10]
have a form where those questions may be
[4:20:12]
asked.
[4:20:14]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[4:20:15]
>> That's a motion. I would support I would
[4:20:17]
support that. I think um it's just
[4:20:19]
showing
[4:20:20]
our our team approach with Port Sheldon
[4:20:24]
and as well as the residents who are
[4:20:25]
just simply asking for our support of a
[4:20:28]
public hearing to take place. Consumers
[4:20:30]
Energy has already voiced their thoughts
[4:20:32]
on that and I think it's showing a um a
[4:20:35]
united front that we just want to um
[4:20:38]
open it up for discussion for our
[4:20:40]
community. So
[4:20:42]
>> So I think just from a point of order
[4:20:43]
standpoint, I don't have a motion yet,
[4:20:45]
but Mr. Barry, would you like to make a
[4:20:47]
motion perhaps that the uh commission
[4:20:50]
the board of commissioners authorize the
[4:20:52]
chair to sign a letter
[4:20:55]
to that effect as as outlined in your
[4:20:58]
>> I would like to make a motion that the
[4:21:01]
uh uh chairman of the Ottawa County
[4:21:03]
Board of Commissioners would uh sign
[4:21:06]
this letter to be forwarded to the EPA.
[4:21:08]
Uh we are in the window for submitting
[4:21:11]
that request up till May 4 to the EPA.
[4:21:15]
>> By May 4. Okay. And a second by
[4:21:17]
Commissioner Me.
[4:21:18]
>> Well, would you take a friendly
[4:21:19]
amendment to include um maybe the whole board's support because
[4:21:25]
anybody Commissioner Buger could write
[4:21:27]
his own letter with his own commissioner
[4:21:29]
letter head and I think it would show a
[4:21:32]
different you you think that this is
[4:21:34]
different?
[4:21:35]
>> Yeah. I I would not be using my letter.
[4:21:36]
would be on behalf of the entire board.
[4:21:38]
And sorry, Ron, you go ahead.
[4:21:40]
>> Well, I think the motion is that the
[4:21:42]
board uh instruct the chair to write a
[4:21:46]
letter of support to Port Sheldon
[4:21:48]
consistent with the background
[4:21:50]
information that Mr. Barry had in his
[4:21:52]
motion and as reflected in the vote that
[4:21:56]
you will presumably take
[4:21:58]
>> and I think it should be sent then to
[4:21:59]
the EPA as well.
[4:22:00]
>> Yes.
[4:22:01]
>> Then then I would support that.
[4:22:03]
>> All right. Okay. Got a motion and a
[4:22:05]
second.
[4:22:05]
>> And we're in we're in that window where
[4:22:07]
EPA is taking requests for this public
[4:22:09]
hearing. So that's very timely and uh
[4:22:12]
proper, I think.
[4:22:13]
>> All right. So, Commissioner Barry, thank
[4:22:14]
you. Uh would anyone uh Commissioner
[4:22:16]
Toples,
[4:22:17]
>> has uh has anyone seen the letter from
[4:22:19]
Consumers Energy on this asking for a
[4:22:22]
public hearing?
[4:22:22]
>> We've seen the email officially
[4:22:24]
requesting the public hearing consumers.
[4:22:27]
>> Then I would suggest if we're going to
[4:22:28]
do a letter of support um then more
[4:22:31]
comments about it. I would say it's not
[4:22:33]
just that we support
[4:22:36]
uh Park Township's Port Sheldon
[4:22:38]
>> Port. Yeah.
[4:22:40]
>> Yeah. Port Sheldon, but also we support
[4:22:43]
consumers energy request. I think it's
[4:22:45]
so we can combine it.
[4:22:47]
>> All right. So, let me get some give some
[4:22:50]
other thoughts on this.
[4:22:52]
Um, some people in the public may not
[4:22:53]
like my comments here or mis or
[4:22:56]
understand it, but I think it u this
[4:22:58]
isn't an easy isn't an easy slam dunk
[4:23:01]
for me. Um,
[4:23:08]
as many of you know, I used to be the
[4:23:09]
chairman of the environmental law
[4:23:11]
section of Grand Rapids. Uh, represented
[4:23:13]
lots of companies, clean been involved
[4:23:15]
in numerous cleanups throughout the
[4:23:17]
state.
[4:23:19]
I've been my clients were heavily
[4:23:21]
regulated through the EPA. Um,
[4:23:24]
and yes, I agree that we're not talking
[4:23:28]
about a hazardous waste not the same
[4:23:30]
thing as as what we're talking about
[4:23:32]
here, right? There's but it's still a
[4:23:33]
concern a waste that we should all in
[4:23:36]
the state should always be concerned
[4:23:37]
about, right? drinking water, other
[4:23:39]
things, touching, direct contact, all
[4:23:42]
those kind of things which are standards
[4:23:43]
under the EPA's or under the DEQ
[4:23:47]
regulations. But the permitting the
[4:23:49]
permitting process also is a very
[4:23:52]
regulated process to get to the and it's
[4:23:56]
both federal and state. So to put the
[4:23:59]
pro the permitting process in place
[4:24:02]
required public participation, right? So
[4:24:06]
the public has already been involved in
[4:24:08]
step one in just the permitting through
[4:24:11]
the regulatory system to some extent.
[4:24:14]
Then we got now we've got um this permit
[4:24:17]
that consumers is going through um it
[4:24:21]
required public notice. Now it it it
[4:24:24]
didn't automatically require a public
[4:24:26]
hearing but that's how the public found
[4:24:29]
out about it was because it's going
[4:24:30]
through the permitting process. Right.
[4:24:33]
My concern is
[4:24:38]
overregulation
[4:24:40]
of of business by government. Um
[4:24:46]
business in many ways is overregulated
[4:24:50]
and the public doesn't understand the
[4:24:52]
cost of regulation on business
[4:24:56]
uh to in many many areas. We've got the
[4:25:01]
federal EPA watching this matter and we
[4:25:04]
have the state DEEQ watching this
[4:25:06]
matter. Two highly regulated non-elected
[4:25:11]
bodies whose job it is to protect our
[4:25:14]
environments and natural resources,
[4:25:16]
right? That's their job.
[4:25:19]
I may not always like the
[4:25:20]
overregulation,
[4:25:22]
but I've certainly worked within it
[4:25:24]
certainly at the state level. Um, so my
[4:25:27]
concern is okay, how do how far do we go
[4:25:29]
as an elected body, government, agency,
[4:25:33]
further adding further obligations onto
[4:25:36]
the regulatory system that already
[4:25:37]
exists. Um, and so that's where my fine
[4:25:41]
line is, right? I will support this
[4:25:44]
letter uh that you recommend. Um, but I
[4:25:49]
think that we again I'm cautioning this
[4:25:51]
board to stay in its lane. Um because
[4:25:56]
there are always individuals throughout
[4:25:57]
in our community that want to
[4:26:00]
overregulate or put extra burdens. You
[4:26:03]
know, the fact that the consumer's
[4:26:05]
energy has been discharging into the
[4:26:08]
Lake Michigan for a long time, right? A
[4:26:10]
long time. That means the government's
[4:26:12]
been involved a long time because you
[4:26:14]
just don't do that stuff, right? Um, and
[4:26:17]
so even though there's members of the
[4:26:20]
public who would like more than that,
[4:26:22]
the fact is it's the business has a
[4:26:24]
right to rely on regulations that have
[4:26:28]
been in place a long, long time. And my
[4:26:32]
concern is I don't want to be that
[4:26:35]
government agency adding an extra set of
[4:26:38]
requirements onto business that already
[4:26:42]
has the regulations to be protective of
[4:26:44]
ours already. That's my concern. Again,
[4:26:47]
I will support this letter in this case
[4:26:49]
because the the business community,
[4:26:51]
Consumers Energy in this case and the
[4:26:54]
local township, right, and the people
[4:26:56]
that representatives saying, "Let's hold
[4:26:58]
a public hearing. How can you hurt to
[4:27:00]
have a public hearing?" Couldn't agree.
[4:27:02]
I agree. Right. Um, we all want to
[4:27:04]
protect that resource and the fact that
[4:27:07]
the public, we want to hear the from the
[4:27:09]
public. Great. I I support that, but I
[4:27:11]
also don't want to add burden,
[4:27:14]
regulatory burden onto an already
[4:27:17]
regulated system. That's where my my
[4:27:20]
line is, guys. Um and I just want to
[4:27:22]
caution us to remember that. Uh at least
[4:27:25]
some of us,
[4:27:26]
>> if I could just respond briefly.
[4:27:28]
>> Um John, I I share a lot of your
[4:27:31]
concerns about um we need to stay in our
[4:27:34]
lane and it's not our job to tell a
[4:27:36]
business how to run their business. Um
[4:27:39]
just the fact the proximity to Lake
[4:27:41]
Michigan becomes more that's really I
[4:27:44]
think the big reason why this has
[4:27:46]
generated as much public interest as it
[4:27:47]
has. Um um I actually think could they
[4:27:53]
probably have the best possible
[4:27:55]
solution. I'm certainly no expert in
[4:27:57]
this but they've got a situation where
[4:27:59]
they have to do something with with this
[4:28:01]
byproduct material. Um this is a a
[4:28:05]
solution to it. It's not entirely
[4:28:07]
unheard of. Um, but consumer it needs to
[4:28:11]
be sold to the public. I don't think
[4:28:13]
people understand what the current
[4:28:15]
situation is and and exactly what's
[4:28:18]
being proposed here. Uh, so public
[4:28:21]
hearing would serve a function of an
[4:28:24]
opportunity to inform public and again
[4:28:27]
as as you mentioned too uh consumers has
[4:28:30]
already agreed that they want to have
[4:28:32]
the public hearing as well. I think they
[4:28:33]
realize uh they need to do a little more
[4:28:36]
communication to the public on on what
[4:28:38]
they intend to do.
[4:28:40]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner
[4:28:41]
Barry. Anybody else? Commissioner Moss.
[4:28:44]
>> Thank you. Yeah, I actually don't
[4:28:46]
support the motion. It's for some of the
[4:28:48]
reasons that Commissioner Tull's already
[4:28:49]
outlined. Um I don't think this is
[4:28:52]
necessary
[4:28:54]
for this board to do at this time. It's
[4:28:57]
my personal view. Um so I'm If there's a
[4:29:01]
public hearing, great. I think they're
[4:29:03]
probably already going to they've
[4:29:04]
already had the feedback. The locals
[4:29:07]
where this directly impacts has already
[4:29:10]
expressed that. I think that they're the
[4:29:12]
people closest to the issue are speaking
[4:29:14]
to it and so I don't think this is
[4:29:16]
necessary.
[4:29:18]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Anyone else?
[4:29:22]
Oh, Commissioner Roie.
[4:29:24]
>> Um, I I do support it. I I think it
[4:29:27]
doesn't hurt for there to be the
[4:29:29]
communication and the conversation
[4:29:30]
around what's actually going on and I
[4:29:32]
think it actually might um it might help
[4:29:36]
resolve some of the fears in the
[4:29:38]
community be my hope.
[4:29:40]
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I I think it could
[4:29:42]
ultimately be helpful, but I do agree
[4:29:44]
with with us not going so far as to
[4:29:47]
telling a business what to do. So, um,
[4:29:50]
but I am supportive of the the letter,
[4:29:52]
um, because I think it actually might
[4:29:53]
help in the situation.
[4:29:55]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner. I'll
[4:29:57]
just I didn't see anybody else, so I'll
[4:29:58]
just add that, um, uh, I will support
[4:30:01]
the letter initiative as well. Uh, in
[4:30:04]
particular, for me, it was very
[4:30:05]
important to get consumers to let us
[4:30:07]
know. And, John, to your question there,
[4:30:10]
um, I did press consumers to send us
[4:30:11]
confirmation, written confirmation, and
[4:30:14]
they actually sent us a copy of the
[4:30:15]
email where they had requested this
[4:30:17]
themselves from the EPA. Uh were it not
[4:30:19]
for that then I definitely would be more
[4:30:21]
hesitant on this one. So uh with that uh
[4:30:24]
Rachel would you call the role?
[4:30:26]
>> So hearing uh Mr. Bolshi and uh Mr.
[4:30:29]
Barry I have moved to have the board
[4:30:33]
instruct the chairperson to draft a
[4:30:34]
letter to the EPA to support Port
[4:30:36]
Sheldon Township to hold a public
[4:30:38]
hearing regarding consumers energy's
[4:30:40]
deep well injection proposal.
[4:30:41]
>> I need to say Port count portsheldon
[4:30:43]
township and consumers energy. Okay.
[4:30:45]
>> I was wondering if you were going to add
[4:30:47]
that or not. Okay. Uh,
[4:30:49]
>> good. Got it. Okay.
[4:30:50]
>> Yep. Mr. Zystra,
[4:30:52]
>> yes.
[4:30:53]
>> Mr. Teles,
[4:30:54]
>> yes.
[4:30:55]
>> Mr. Jordma,
[4:30:56]
>> yes.
[4:30:56]
>> Mr. Kyers,
[4:30:58]
>> yes.
[4:30:58]
>> Mr. Barry,
[4:30:59]
>> yes.
[4:31:00]
>> Mrs. Midama,
[4:31:01]
>> yes.
[4:31:01]
>> Mr. Bonama,
[4:31:02]
>> yes.
[4:31:03]
>> Mrs. Broie,
[4:31:04]
>> yes.
[4:31:04]
>> Mr. Moss,
[4:31:05]
>> no.
[4:31:06]
>> Mrs. Wel,
[4:31:07]
>> yes.
[4:31:08]
>> Mr. Buger,
[4:31:09]
>> yes.
[4:31:09]
>> Motion passes.
[4:31:11]
>> I will get out my signing pen, everyone.
[4:31:14]
Thank you. All right. Uh, item B on
[4:31:16]
additional business. Uh this was an
[4:31:18]
addition and this is the discussion
[4:31:20]
regarding compensation of elected
[4:31:22]
officials. Um I was not my Oh, sorry.
[4:31:27]
>> Chair, could I um request to be excused,
[4:31:29]
please? Is that how that works?
[4:31:31]
>> I have a six-month standing appointment
[4:31:33]
with my wife of cancer. So,
[4:31:35]
>> all right.
[4:31:35]
>> This is important. So,
[4:31:36]
>> yes. Thank you, Mr. Kyers. Uh thank you
[4:31:39]
for your attendance. Um all right, so we
[4:31:41]
have on the agenda um uh item regarding
[4:31:44]
officer's compensation. Um, I will say,
[4:31:46]
and I'm going to turn this over to those
[4:31:47]
who made the motion, just because I did
[4:31:49]
not vote in favor of adding it um, uh,
[4:31:52]
to the agenda, not because it's not
[4:31:54]
worth discussing, but um, I didn't feel
[4:31:56]
like this was the appropriate time or
[4:31:57]
place for it. So, and at that rate, I'm
[4:31:59]
trying to think who made the motion to
[4:32:00]
add it. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Commissioner
[4:32:02]
Mima, please, by all means.
[4:32:04]
>> So, I I appreciate the opportunity to
[4:32:07]
discuss this. Um, I was disappointed and
[4:32:12]
to be frank, um,
[4:32:15]
frustrated and somewhat angry to be
[4:32:18]
learning about the additional, um, wages
[4:32:23]
to be given to our treasur and water
[4:32:25]
resource commissioner. I found we found
[4:32:26]
that out through a constituent emailing
[4:32:29]
us. that circulated through all of our
[4:32:32]
social media pages um accusing this
[4:32:35]
board of non being non-transparent.
[4:32:38]
Um
[4:32:41]
I'm very disappointed um in how we found
[4:32:45]
out about it. I think that was one of
[4:32:47]
the things that we really advocated for
[4:32:51]
um Patrick when you came on and that you
[4:32:54]
would make sure that to avoid at all
[4:32:56]
costs um that we wouldn't find about
[4:32:59]
things later on and this this is a
[4:33:01]
pretty big one. Um when we talked about
[4:33:04]
this as a board months ago, it was very
[4:33:07]
much given that while it while we were
[4:33:11]
disapp while no one was arguing that our
[4:33:14]
treasure and water resource commissioner
[4:33:16]
didn't deserve to make a fair salary
[4:33:20]
that we believed that the officers
[4:33:23]
compensation commission that was their
[4:33:24]
role and we did not see anything in the
[4:33:29]
statute that would allow um that to be
[4:33:32]
handled in a different way, but if there
[4:33:34]
was, we would welcome that conversation
[4:33:36]
to take place as a full board. And when Doug Van Essen when I relisted when
[4:33:43]
I listened to the meeting that took
[4:33:45]
place um a week ago
[4:33:49]
um one of the commissioners that serves
[4:33:51]
on the compensation commission, Lynn
[4:33:53]
Jansen, was asking some questions and
[4:33:58]
Doug said that this was an internal
[4:34:00]
decision that the board approved in May.
[4:34:04]
I don't know which May you're talking
[4:34:06]
about. We're in April right now. We
[4:34:08]
certainly didn't have this conversation
[4:34:10]
a year ago in May
[4:34:13]
um to my knowledge. And
[4:34:18]
it was also stated on the meeting that
[4:34:20]
we found additional Doug said that they
[4:34:23]
found that we found he used the word we.
[4:34:27]
I don't know who who he's referring to.
[4:34:30]
We found additional tasks that we needed
[4:34:32]
done that we assigned on a temporary
[4:34:35]
basis for those people to do.
[4:34:38]
They thought and then also went on to
[4:34:41]
say when when asked why did you do this?
[4:34:45]
Well, they I'm assuming he's referring
[4:34:48]
to our treasur and our water resource
[4:34:50]
commissioner thought strongly that a
[4:34:52]
decision had been made
[4:34:55]
and
[4:34:58]
I have great concern about what's
[4:35:00]
happening because it I I would like to
[4:35:03]
see
[4:35:05]
for the work that has been done. Is it
[4:35:08]
been has it been approved of? Who's approved it? Who did it get
[4:35:12]
approved by?
[4:35:14]
Um, why didn't it come before our board?
[4:35:18]
Um, I think
[4:35:22]
I'm again I'm very disappointed. I I
[4:35:24]
have to wonder what other elected
[4:35:27]
officials are being paid more money that
[4:35:30]
we aren't aware of.
[4:35:33]
Um, has that taken place before?
[4:35:36]
Are there commissioners that sit on this
[4:35:38]
board that are getting paid now more
[4:35:40]
money because they felt like they
[4:35:42]
deserve to be paid more money?
[4:35:46]
>> I I think we deserve some answers as
[4:35:49]
this board.
[4:35:49]
>> Okay.
[4:35:50]
>> Uh Patrick, before you respond, if you
[4:35:52]
wouldn't mind, this a discussion item is
[4:35:54]
a unique format. I don't think Robert's
[4:35:56]
rules gives a whole lot of guidance on
[4:35:57]
it. Or do they? Thank you. All right. Um
[4:36:01]
before Patrick responds, I just want to
[4:36:03]
go around the horn as far as
[4:36:04]
commissioners. If you have questions of
[4:36:05]
Patrick or comments, at least do that
[4:36:07]
once so that we give him the opportunity
[4:36:08]
to respond in full. Uh does anybody else
[4:36:11]
uh care to comment on this?
[4:36:14]
>> I will. Yeah, very quickly. Um I just
[4:36:17]
think that there's two sides to every
[4:36:19]
story and uh I think this is a great
[4:36:21]
opportunity for the public to hear the
[4:36:22]
other side. So that's why I supported it
[4:36:25]
and I think uh the whole narrative
[4:36:27]
should be out there, not just a partial
[4:36:29]
narrative.
[4:36:32]
Thank you, Commissioner.
[4:36:34]
Roie, you took a breath.
[4:36:35]
It's like a Jim Barry. Jim kind of leans
[4:36:37]
in and goes and then I call him.
[4:36:39]
>> I have I have partial thoughts on this,
[4:36:41]
I guess. Uh just two things that stand
[4:36:44]
out to me. One is um you know, the
[4:36:47]
officers compensation commission made
[4:36:50]
decisions on a number of things the last
[4:36:52]
time. One was on commissioner salary.
[4:36:54]
They also they also approved that at a
[4:36:58]
higher rate outside of the the window
[4:37:01]
and and so
[4:37:04]
you know there's some picking and
[4:37:05]
choosing here of of of who who based on
[4:37:09]
those prior decisions now you know we
[4:37:12]
find a way to pay and who we don't find
[4:37:14]
a way to pay. So, you know, we're like
[4:37:19]
we're establishing new new authority
[4:37:22]
over how those decisions are made, how it's applied. We're picking and
[4:37:26]
choosing which of their decisions we
[4:37:28]
liked and will enforce and which ones we
[4:37:31]
won't. Um, and so I I mean, Commissioner
[4:37:34]
Medma's question is then valid of, you
[4:37:38]
know, are there any other decisions made
[4:37:40]
by the officers compensation commission
[4:37:43]
the last time that are now being applied
[4:37:46]
to commissioners? And um so I this is
[4:37:50]
why you follow the law and why you
[4:37:52]
follow proper process because because
[4:37:55]
when you don't it raises it raises
[4:37:57]
questions and I certainly you know I
[4:38:01]
took a strong stand before u about
[4:38:04]
fairness of pay and I think you would
[4:38:06]
find my record to be very consistent
[4:38:08]
across my time in service here of
[4:38:10]
advocating for for good um competitive
[4:38:13]
pay for every employee that's here. And
[4:38:17]
the same is true, you know, when it
[4:38:18]
comes to elected officials. I think
[4:38:20]
people need to be compensated fairly.
[4:38:22]
So, I'm not taking issue at all with how people should be should be paid
[4:38:28]
or the decisions made by the officers
[4:38:31]
compensation commission. Um, but we have
[4:38:34]
to follow the law. We have to follow
[4:38:36]
proper process. And, um, you know, I
[4:38:40]
know they're meeting again, which is
[4:38:41]
great. And so I also don't want this
[4:38:44]
discussion at all to dampen their
[4:38:46]
efforts to um you know to pay
[4:38:50]
competitive competitively. OB obviously
[4:38:52]
we're not going to all go chase down
[4:38:53]
other roles in other counties and stuff
[4:38:55]
but you know I I think people should be
[4:38:57]
compensated fairly. So I don't want this
[4:38:59]
conversation to diminish their work
[4:39:02]
there. But um Patrick, one thing I'm
[4:39:06]
concerned with um
[4:39:09]
is is one of the comments that you wrote
[4:39:12]
in the email and thank you for the email
[4:39:13]
explaining some of what had happened,
[4:39:15]
but particularly the one that says
[4:39:17]
directed to me, you're going to work on
[4:39:19]
seeing if we can get something. No
[4:39:21]
pressure. And so I don't know who made
[4:39:23]
that comment to you, but I I am
[4:39:26]
concerned if people are pressuring you
[4:39:28]
to do things. And so, um, I just want to
[4:39:32]
defend you in that and in that I don't
[4:39:34]
think that's right. So, um,
[4:39:38]
hopefully this the situation one, we we
[4:39:40]
need, um, we need clarity, we need
[4:39:43]
transparency, and we need to follow the
[4:39:46]
law.
[4:39:48]
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Uh, anyone else
[4:39:50]
before we turn the floor over to
[4:39:51]
Patrick?
[4:39:53]
>> All right.
[4:39:54]
>> Okay, Patrick, floor is yours. So, um,
[4:39:58]
appreciate your comment about being
[4:39:59]
caught off guard and I do strive to to,
[4:40:02]
um, always avoid those situations. The
[4:40:04]
first I became aware of this is
[4:40:06]
Commissioner Buger reached out and said,
[4:40:08]
"I have been getting calls from the
[4:40:10]
media and maybe some residents about
[4:40:13]
this concern." So, I immediately started
[4:40:16]
working on I dro it was a busy day and I
[4:40:18]
remember talking to you. I dropped what
[4:40:19]
I was doing and said, "I need to address
[4:40:22]
this with the board so they're well
[4:40:23]
informed." So, I I don't want to
[4:40:25]
regurgitate my April 24th email, which
[4:40:30]
that was really intended to inform you
[4:40:32]
on all of this. I understand that this
[4:40:35]
email has since been um shared with the
[4:40:38]
public and the media. So, and that's
[4:40:39]
fine. It it is out there now, but it was
[4:40:42]
intended to inform you as a board. So in
[4:40:46]
that email um I indicated that this
[4:40:49]
issue of the disconnect between the pay
[4:40:53]
um that the officer's compensation
[4:40:55]
commission intended um but wasn't
[4:40:57]
enacted due to the 45day window is
[4:41:00]
something that was being discussed
[4:41:01]
before I came on as administrator.
[4:41:05]
um prior administrator Rosema was
[4:41:07]
working on this with uh with corporation
[4:41:09]
council and trying to find a solution
[4:41:12]
and it was just kind of one of those
[4:41:13]
transitionary projects that was on the
[4:41:15]
threshold when I got here. So um after
[4:41:19]
talking through this with corporation
[4:41:21]
council and talking with the uh elected
[4:41:24]
officials, we determined that um the
[4:41:27]
best solution would be to bring this
[4:41:29]
back to the board with the
[4:41:31]
interpretation uh per the per the
[4:41:33]
statute that we cited that they did in
[4:41:37]
fact take action that day. There was a
[4:41:39]
consensus that that pay uh should be
[4:41:42]
adjusted upwards. We brought that to you
[4:41:45]
as a recommendation to say this is
[4:41:47]
right. This this was enacted. We don't
[4:41:50]
have minutes to to show you because no
[4:41:52]
minutes were taken. And um we believe
[4:41:56]
that legally you were within your right
[4:41:57]
to correct this issue. This board opted
[4:42:01]
not to do that without the uh
[4:42:03]
verification that that had truly been
[4:42:05]
said despite the fact that we collected
[4:42:08]
um affidavits and and information from
[4:42:10]
the people that were on that board. So,
[4:42:13]
as I put in my email, I was given what I
[4:42:16]
interpreted to be very clear cues to
[4:42:17]
solve this. We had a problem. Find a
[4:42:20]
solution, Patrick. Um, subsequently to
[4:42:24]
this, the Ottawan County Insurance
[4:42:26]
Authority had been meeting and talking
[4:42:28]
about two significant issues. One, they
[4:42:31]
purchased a piece of property, a 45acre
[4:42:33]
piece of property at Zealand Township
[4:42:35]
several years ago as an investment for u
[4:42:39]
the future 231 future phases. as uh the
[4:42:42]
interchange may be located there. They
[4:42:45]
wanted to know what are we going to do
[4:42:46]
with this property? Are we going to
[4:42:48]
continue to hold it or are we going to
[4:42:50]
sell it at uh because we're not in the
[4:42:52]
business of owning property. We need
[4:42:54]
some verification. We need some
[4:42:56]
analysis. We need some discussions with
[4:42:58]
MDOT on what their plans are. Who's
[4:43:00]
going to do that? The other issue is
[4:43:02]
there's an ongoing two ongoing legal
[4:43:05]
cases with regard to property tax
[4:43:08]
foreclosure that are of high interest to
[4:43:10]
the Ottawan County Insurance Authority.
[4:43:12]
So those discussions had happened prior
[4:43:15]
to me bringing this to you as a solution
[4:43:17]
as an opportunity to solve this problem.
[4:43:20]
Meanwhile, uh, at, you know, after the
[4:43:22]
board's decision to not go forward with
[4:43:25]
that, it was our understanding that we
[4:43:27]
had two elected officials that were not
[4:43:29]
being paid properly and we we saw that
[4:43:32]
as a risk to the county that it could
[4:43:34]
inherently create future legal challenge
[4:43:36]
for us that we didn't want to do. That's
[4:43:38]
part of our job is to keep us out of
[4:43:40]
court. So, we approached the insurance
[4:43:42]
authority of the idea of, hey, you have
[4:43:45]
um some some work that needs to be done.
[4:43:48]
I have two elected officials that are very qualified to do that work. In
[4:43:53]
fact, Joe specializes in in land
[4:43:55]
development and land um related issues.
[4:43:59]
He has a lot of connections and we
[4:44:01]
thought that might be an opportunity for
[4:44:03]
Joe to step in um on the contract of the
[4:44:07]
Ottawa County Insurance Authority, which
[4:44:08]
is an outside entity of this board. Um
[4:44:12]
same with Cheryl. Cheryl had an interest
[4:44:14]
in knowing what the tax appeals or the foreclosure process outcome was
[4:44:19]
going to be. It's above and beyond her
[4:44:22]
job duties as a clerk and also her role
[4:44:24]
on the insurance authority. So, we
[4:44:26]
proposed the idea to both of them. Is
[4:44:29]
this something you'd be interested in
[4:44:30]
doing for a stipen to help offset that
[4:44:33]
wrong that was made to you? Um, they
[4:44:37]
said yes, that would be great. Great. We
[4:44:39]
thought we would alleviate any legal
[4:44:41]
risk if they agreed to that. We then
[4:44:43]
presented that to the insurance
[4:44:45]
authority workg group. The work group
[4:44:47]
liked the idea of it because they were
[4:44:48]
going to receive the services that they
[4:44:50]
were asking for at what we think is a
[4:44:53]
discounted rate compared to hiring a
[4:44:54]
consultant to do that work. Problem
[4:44:57]
solved. As I said in my email, I didn't
[4:45:00]
report back to this board and I and I
[4:45:02]
should have done that, but my intent was
[4:45:04]
to report back to the board when the
[4:45:05]
work was complete. The matter was tabled
[4:45:08]
and as you all know something stays
[4:45:10]
tabled until it's brought back or
[4:45:12]
removed from the table. That was never
[4:45:14]
requested by any of the board to do
[4:45:16]
that.
[4:45:18]
It's it's what was done was legal,
[4:45:21]
ethical, it was open. There was a that
[4:45:23]
was a public meeting. Um it was within
[4:45:26]
the board workg groupoup's authority to
[4:45:28]
sign an outside contract. They do that
[4:45:30]
often and uh it alleviated the legal
[4:45:33]
risk.
[4:45:34]
>> Okay. Thank you, administrator. And I've
[4:45:36]
noticed Doug has moved there since we're
[4:45:37]
on staff time at the moment. Why don't
[4:45:39]
you go right ahead? And I do think Doug,
[4:45:41]
one uh thing you might want to address
[4:45:43]
is that you did misspeak at the uh
[4:45:45]
meeting about the board having voted on
[4:45:47]
this. And I think one of the
[4:45:48]
commissioners had brought that up.
[4:45:51]
>> So first of all, let me explain what I
[4:45:53]
was trying to do in front of the current
[4:45:56]
compensation commission, which was about
[4:46:00]
to get completely off the rails.
[4:46:03]
My job at that meeting was to make sure
[4:46:06]
they were following their purview. Their
[4:46:09]
purview was not to try to figure out
[4:46:11]
what the 2024 compensation commission
[4:46:15]
did.
[4:46:16]
They were ready in their approval of the
[4:46:20]
minutes to try to figure out and answer
[4:46:23]
that question. Then
[4:46:27]
Mr. France wanted to delve into the
[4:46:30]
issue, assuming they concluded that the
[4:46:33]
2024 commission had made its decision to
[4:46:37]
equalize the pay of these three elected
[4:46:40]
officials, how they could compensate
[4:46:43]
those elected officials for the wrong
[4:46:45]
that had been done to them over the past
[4:46:48]
two years. My efforts were trying to
[4:46:52]
redirect them to stay away from both of
[4:46:54]
those issues and concentrate only on
[4:46:58]
their the future pay of those two
[4:47:01]
elected officials
[4:47:04]
and not worry about what happened in the
[4:47:07]
past whether there were any in
[4:47:09]
inequities. And in the course of trying
[4:47:13]
to redirect them, I explained that
[4:47:15]
administration had taken care of that
[4:47:18]
issue. It was not something they needed
[4:47:20]
to worry about. All right. Now, let's go
[4:47:24]
back to January of 2025.
[4:47:28]
Gary and Doug are commissioned to try to
[4:47:32]
clean up a variety of different messes
[4:47:35]
that were lingering from the previous
[4:47:38]
board and the previous administration.
[4:47:41]
I don't remember. I have a vague
[4:47:43]
recollection, Doug, of Commissioner
[4:47:45]
Zystster, of you can Doug, I'm sorry.
[4:47:49]
There's a lot of Doug around here.
[4:47:50]
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[4:47:51]
>> And and Gary, you're talking Gary Rosa.
[4:47:53]
>> You know, one
[4:47:53]
>> Rosma. But I also have a vague
[4:47:56]
recollection of the water resources
[4:48:00]
commissioner and you, Commissioner
[4:48:02]
Zystra,
[4:48:04]
coming to my office to talk about the
[4:48:07]
2024 compensation commission and whether
[4:48:10]
or not the water resources commissioner
[4:48:13]
was being underpaid. I may be wrong in
[4:48:16]
that. You may not have been there.
[4:48:18]
>> You just continue because I Yeah,
[4:48:20]
>> but whatever. My response to Joe was, I
[4:48:26]
take direction from Gary. If Gary
[4:48:28]
assigns this task to me, I will look
[4:48:31]
into it. Gary came back the next day and
[4:48:35]
said, "Doug, I want you to review
[4:48:38]
Joe's position that he is not being
[4:48:41]
adequately compensated because in fact
[4:48:45]
the board had made it the commission had
[4:48:48]
made its decision in 2024 that his pay
[4:48:52]
should be equalized
[4:48:54]
and the board of commissioners had not
[4:48:56]
rejected that.
[4:48:59]
I performed as I was tasked to do an
[4:49:02]
inquiry into that question. It's a messy
[4:49:05]
legal issue because while Coleman was
[4:49:09]
absolutely correct that a decision had
[4:49:13]
to be made by the compensation
[4:49:16]
commission within 45 days. It doesn't
[4:49:21]
describe how that decision has to be
[4:49:25]
memorialized.
[4:49:26]
Right? So we had a vote
[4:49:30]
unanimous by the commission or to
[4:49:34]
equalize
[4:49:35]
those salaries. That vote was taken
[4:49:39]
outside the 45day window. Joe was saying
[4:49:44]
they assured me during the 45 uh day
[4:49:48]
window that they had made that decision.
[4:49:52]
I pulled the compensation commissioners.
[4:49:56]
A majority said indeed we had made that
[4:50:00]
decision within the 45 days and we
[4:50:04]
documented it with our vote because we
[4:50:06]
realized we hadn't actually taken a vote
[4:50:08]
on that outside that window.
[4:50:13]
A mess without question. A $200,000
[4:50:19]
litigation if you wanted to take that
[4:50:21]
one to court. We're getting good in
[4:50:23]
Ottawa County at taking unusual
[4:50:25]
questions to our court system, but the
[4:50:28]
mess only got more complicated
[4:50:31]
because the board of commissioners
[4:50:34]
did receive
[4:50:36]
the report of the compensation
[4:50:39]
commission, including the compensation
[4:50:43]
increase for uh the commissioners,
[4:50:47]
including the equalization of the
[4:50:49]
elected officials rates.
[4:50:52]
They then commissioned
[4:50:54]
corporation council at the time Coleman
[4:50:56]
to look into that. Two things came back
[4:51:00]
from legal counsel.
[4:51:02]
One, the vote on the compensation
[4:51:05]
commission did not reflect a majority of
[4:51:10]
the compensation commissioners
[4:51:13]
voting in favor of it and therefore it
[4:51:16]
was not an appropriate decision.
[4:51:20]
Secondly, they looked at the vote
[4:51:22]
unanimously and enough commissioners on
[4:51:26]
the compensation commission agreeing
[4:51:28]
with the equalization issue, but the
[4:51:31]
vote occurred outside the 45day window.
[4:51:35]
The board decided therefore not to
[4:51:39]
authorize the increase
[4:51:43]
in your pay or in the elected officials.
[4:51:47]
Was that a rejection
[4:51:51]
of what the commission had done?
[4:51:54]
Arguably, you could also look at it and
[4:51:57]
say they erroneously concluded that a
[4:52:00]
decision hadn't been made and that's the
[4:52:02]
only reason they didn't authorize the
[4:52:05]
initial compensation. And my research
[4:52:08]
indicated on question one. Indeed, the
[4:52:12]
commission had properly made a decision
[4:52:15]
and only documented it outside. So now
[4:52:19]
we have a $400,000 piece of litigation
[4:52:22]
trying to figure out whatever the board
[4:52:24]
did, was it a rejection or not.
[4:52:27]
Meanwhile, Joe is not getting paid what
[4:52:31]
he believes in good faith he's being
[4:52:33]
paid.
[4:52:35]
Now, the suggested resolution
[4:52:39]
that I got Joe and Cheryl to agree with
[4:52:44]
is let's take a resolution to the board.
[4:52:49]
You're going to wave your first year
[4:52:52]
increase because we're going to make it
[4:52:54]
effective January 1. that indeed the
[4:52:58]
board did make a proper decision within
[4:53:01]
the 45day window and you're going to get
[4:53:05]
paid starting January 1st of 2025. Is
[4:53:10]
that acceptable to you, Mr. Bush and Ms.
[4:53:14]
Clark? In good faith, they said we could
[4:53:17]
live with that.
[4:53:19]
So, we presented it. The board tabled
[4:53:22]
it. I've got a very angry Joe Bush and a
[4:53:25]
very angry Cheryl Clark right now.
[4:53:31]
This was the resolution.
[4:53:33]
They haven't adopted it now. And we are
[4:53:37]
facing in the insurance authority a
[4:53:40]
potential $400,000
[4:53:43]
piece of litigation trying to figure out
[4:53:46]
what indeed the compensation commission
[4:53:48]
did and what the board did or did not
[4:53:51]
do.
[4:53:53]
So, the insurance authority had these
[4:53:57]
tasks that it needed done.
[4:54:00]
The insurance authority wick group is
[4:54:03]
well within its $50,000
[4:54:06]
uh authority limit to offer them an
[4:54:09]
accordance satisfaction.
[4:54:12]
these additional tasks for the one-year
[4:54:15]
period
[4:54:17]
or not the county,
[4:54:20]
the insurance authority. It won't
[4:54:24]
increase your county salary at all or
[4:54:26]
the benefits that go along with it. It
[4:54:29]
won't assure that in the compensation
[4:54:31]
commission of 2026, you're starting
[4:54:35]
equal to the county clerk. Is that a
[4:54:38]
compromise you're willing to accept to
[4:54:41]
let this matter go away? They agreed.
[4:54:45]
And so the work group sign uh prepared
[4:54:48]
and had them executed and we approved
[4:54:52]
what is called a memorandum. It could be called a settlement agreement.
[4:54:56]
And according satisfaction, it resolved
[4:54:59]
the issue in a compromised fashion.
[4:55:04]
And Joe, am I wrong in any of what I'm
[4:55:08]
representing to the board?
[4:55:11]
>> So, it's not just your decision that was
[4:55:14]
compromised. Their rights were
[4:55:17]
compromised in this fashion
[4:55:22]
» and you rest your case. The the one
[4:55:26]
>> an explanation of what we did to fix a
[4:55:29]
problem and enable this issue to go
[4:55:32]
forward. Yeah. And just one
[4:55:34]
clarification that I wanted to get and I
[4:55:36]
said Doug is wiggling over there so he'd
[4:55:38]
like to say something. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[4:55:40]
All right. Uh I just want to make sure
[4:55:42]
>> one of the things you said during the
[4:55:43]
compensation commission is that the
[4:55:45]
board had voted on this in May or
[4:55:47]
whatever it was. I don't remember the
[4:55:48]
exact words. Just want to verify that
[4:55:50]
the board did not vote on this. Is that
[4:55:52]
correct? It this was an act of the
[4:55:54]
insurance authorities.
[4:55:55]
>> I must have misspoke. I don't know which
[4:55:57]
board I was talking about. it wouldn't
[4:55:58]
have been the county commissioners
[4:56:00]
because you never made a decision,
[4:56:02]
>> okay,
[4:56:03]
>> on this.
[4:56:04]
>> Um, and so if I misspoke, I apologize
[4:56:08]
for misspeaking. Again, we were trying
[4:56:11]
to focus their attention on the future
[4:56:14]
and leave the past alone. Got it. I also
[4:56:17]
didn't want to go into a complete
[4:56:18]
recitation that I just gave trying to
[4:56:21]
explain how we are trying to eliminate
[4:56:24]
the chaos that had ensued from the last
[4:56:28]
compensation commission's decision.
[4:56:30]
>> Okay, thank you Doug. Um Doug Zilstra
[4:56:33]
and then Sylvia's got a hand. I'm not
[4:56:34]
wiggling whatsoever, but uh you know,
[4:56:37]
Commissioner Rohood and Commissioner
[4:56:38]
Mima both had I think the central
[4:56:42]
question like we understand the the
[4:56:45]
email you sent us the recitation
[4:56:48]
we get that I think the central question
[4:56:50]
is under what authority was that action
[4:56:53]
taken? Am I mischaracterizing?
[4:56:55]
>> No, that's that's a really good
[4:56:58]
question.
[4:56:58]
>> I think that's our central question. The
[4:57:00]
authority was the the compensation
[4:57:03]
is coming from not Ottawa County but the
[4:57:07]
insurance authority which is a separate
[4:57:09]
legal entity and in the process they
[4:57:12]
have resolved their claim against Ottawa
[4:57:14]
County which is the essential task of
[4:57:18]
the workg group is to resolve potential
[4:57:22]
litigation. We also have this investment
[4:57:26]
uh in that 231 property that the
[4:57:30]
insurance authority needs to re make a
[4:57:32]
resolution on and whether we keep it in
[4:57:35]
light of MDOT's decision.
[4:57:36]
>> Doug, but you didn't answer
[4:57:38]
commissioners's question.
[4:57:40]
>> The authority is the insurance
[4:57:42]
>> who who gave you the authority to give
[4:57:44]
the insurance authority that decision.
[4:57:47]
>> The board of commissioners when they
[4:57:49]
created the insurance authority
[4:57:51]
absolutely did. No,
[4:57:53]
>> we did not give you permission to set
[4:57:55]
>> to come up with more dollars if if you
[4:57:58]
felt like, oh, somehow we think that the
[4:58:01]
officer's compensation got this wrong.
[4:58:04]
>> We didn't give you permission to take
[4:58:06]
the insurance authority um and to use it
[4:58:09]
in this manner. In the meeting at the
[4:58:12]
officer's compensation commission, you
[4:58:13]
in fact said to Lynn, you can do more harm in trying to
[4:58:19]
fix something if you go backwards. Isn't
[4:58:22]
that in essence what you're doing
[4:58:23]
yourself?
[4:58:24]
>> No, we were settling a controversy and
[4:58:29]
that is for 40 years. That's what the
[4:58:32]
insurance authority has done. 40 years.
[4:58:34]
That's its task is settling these
[4:58:38]
disputes in one manner or another. That
[4:58:42]
is absolutely within the purview of the
[4:58:46]
insurance authority and that work group.
[4:58:48]
Is there
[4:58:50]
coming to you right now and asking to be
[4:58:52]
because they felt like we didn't make
[4:58:54]
our 60%
[4:58:56]
increase at the officers compensation
[4:58:57]
commission. Do you have another
[4:58:58]
commissioner that has asked you for
[4:59:00]
that?
[4:59:01]
>> Absolutely not.
[4:59:04]
>> Um
[4:59:04]
>> but I don't have any commissioners
[4:59:07]
coming and saying the compensation
[4:59:09]
commission raised my salary and the
[4:59:13]
fiscal is not honoring that. Why is that
[4:59:16]
not happening? That was the situation we
[4:59:19]
had with Mr. Bush.
[4:59:21]
>> Um, while you were conversing there, and
[4:59:24]
I go over to Sylvia in just a moment
[4:59:25]
here, Ron Bolie was squinting and I'm
[4:59:28]
maybe that's a wiggle from Doug and I'm
[4:59:30]
not supposed to interpret it as such,
[4:59:31]
but did you want to interject or you
[4:59:34]
want to hold your thoughts?
[4:59:36]
>> Well, I mean, basically, I've learned
[4:59:37]
all of this today, but uh but I what I'm understanding is that you had a
[4:59:43]
discrepancy on pay. The insurance
[4:59:46]
authority had a couple of potential
[4:59:48]
litigation issues for which you would or
[4:59:51]
the insurance authority ordinarily would
[4:59:53]
hire consultants to work on and prepare
[4:59:57]
a defense or or a resolution.
[5:00:01]
>> It's absolutely correct.
[5:00:02]
>> So instead of going out and hiring
[5:00:05]
outside consultants, you hire inside
[5:00:08]
consultants which satisfied them and pre
[5:00:11]
and took care of a pay discrepancy.
[5:00:14]
Absolutely. And my role here was as the
[5:00:18]
insurance authorities council.
[5:00:20]
>> Yeah.
[5:00:20]
>> Trying to resolve a festering potential
[5:00:25]
litigation
[5:00:26]
that the insurance authority would have
[5:00:28]
to spend $400,000 to resolve.
[5:00:30]
>> And there's no question the insurance
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authority would have the authority to go
[5:00:34]
out and hire a consultant to handle a
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problem issue.
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>> Absolutely.
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>> You've been doing that.
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We have been doing that and we would
[5:00:43]
have to do that on the 231 property if
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we didn't engage Mr. Bush to um work on
[5:00:52]
that particular project.
[5:00:54]
>> So the authority is just in the
[5:00:55]
authority of the continued uh operation
[5:00:58]
of the insurance authority. Too many
[5:01:00]
authorities and Doug's here. Um but you
[5:01:03]
operate you the insurance authority did
[5:01:05]
what it has historically done and spent
[5:01:09]
money that it had authority to spend to
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work on an issue.
[5:01:14]
>> They're a uh 1099
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consultant
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in both instances not to the county
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>> because they're not employees of the
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insurance authority either.
[5:01:26]
>> Correct. This is a 1099 for both of them
[5:01:30]
from the insurance authority and it is a
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report that they will owe to the
[5:01:36]
insurance authority not to the county.
[5:01:39]
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you Ron and
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uh Sylvia and then Doug.
[5:01:43]
>> Yeah. So I think perhaps I should sue
[5:01:46]
and perhaps the officers compensation
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commission can remember one more vote to
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pay me.
[5:01:53]
I'm just thinking, you know, maybe some
[5:01:55]
of us should be doing that. Um,
[5:01:58]
>> along those lines, I would like a copy
[5:02:00]
of the affidavits that asserted
[5:02:04]
uh and and supposedly confirmed um what
[5:02:08]
people
[5:02:10]
supposedly remembered. We I would like a
[5:02:12]
copy of those affidavits that were
[5:02:14]
obtained. I think the board um needs to
[5:02:16]
receive a copy of those. um if a matter
[5:02:20]
like this, you know, is $400,000 in
[5:02:23]
litigation, I think maybe we need to
[5:02:25]
take another look at our legal counsel.
[5:02:28]
And then also, if um if angry officials
[5:02:32]
mean we don't need to follow the law
[5:02:34]
anymore, again, you know, we're in a
[5:02:37]
world of hurt. So, um I think we need to
[5:02:41]
take a look at how we're operating and
[5:02:43]
make sure we're following statute.
[5:02:45]
>> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner.
[5:02:46]
Sales,
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>> I guess, Mr. Vanessa, I
[5:02:51]
the question is simply
[5:02:55]
I I think it's pretty clear that the com
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compensation commission sets
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compensation for county officials. Is
[5:03:02]
that true
[5:03:04]
>> for Ottawa County?
[5:03:06]
>> Right.
[5:03:06]
>> Or just for Ottawa County,
[5:03:08]
>> right? and
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you came back to us in December of
[5:03:15]
2025 and asked us to sign off on a
[5:03:19]
resolution. This board unanimously as
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finance commission this committee
[5:03:25]
refused to do so.
[5:03:27]
At some point between the end of the
[5:03:30]
finance committee and the beginning of
[5:03:34]
the insurance authority, a decision was
[5:03:36]
made to compensate those individuals. Is
[5:03:40]
that correct or not correct?
[5:03:42]
>> No. A decision was to engage
[5:03:45]
those individuals in two tasks that the
[5:03:49]
insurance authority
[5:03:50]
>> as a as a means of compensating them.
[5:03:52]
Those were your words. as a means of uh
[5:03:58]
compromising
[5:03:59]
their claim.
[5:04:01]
>> They have a claim yet.
[5:04:02]
>> They had a claim. Absolutely.
[5:04:04]
>> Did they sue us? Did Did Did Mr. Bush
[5:04:07]
sue us?
[5:04:07]
>> Oh, he hadn't sued it yet, but we get
[5:04:10]
claims all the time. Commissioner
[5:04:12]
Zystra, we get demands all the time.
[5:04:15]
>> Okay.
[5:04:17]
I I guess the just walk us through I
[5:04:20]
guess Commissioner M and Commissioner
[5:04:23]
kind of said the same thing.
[5:04:25]
At what point was a decision made to
[5:04:29]
in my mind abregate what the commission
[5:04:33]
said like
[5:04:36]
this is the salary but the insurance
[5:04:38]
authority made the decision to augment
[5:04:40]
their salary which is what I heard in
[5:04:43]
the compensation commission heard you
[5:04:46]
say
[5:04:48]
um
[5:04:50]
>> no their salary is set by the county
[5:04:54]
Right. Not include the 13,000. It did
[5:04:56]
not include the 2500.
[5:04:59]
>> And it still doesn't.
[5:05:02]
>> Your words in the compensation
[5:05:03]
commission were theseUS are a means of
[5:05:06]
compensating these individuals. When the
[5:05:09]
compensation commission
[5:05:11]
>> did not make that judgment,
[5:05:12]
>> my words to the compensation commission
[5:05:16]
were you don't have to go back and try
[5:05:19]
to fix that issue
[5:05:20]
>> because you've already done it. because
[5:05:22]
they are satisfied
[5:05:25]
with the resolution of that issue. I
[5:05:28]
>> I think we all understand the recitation
[5:05:30]
of facts. I think what we're still at
[5:05:32]
least at least I am and I think some
[5:05:34]
other commissioners are at what point
[5:05:35]
was the decision made to compensate
[5:05:38]
these individuals in this manner in a
[5:05:41]
way that the board via the finance
[5:05:43]
committee rejected.
[5:05:46]
I I guess specifically did the insurance
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authority take a vote on that at any
[5:05:51]
time?
[5:05:51]
>> The work group did. Yes.
[5:05:53]
>> Oh, the work group did.
[5:05:54]
>> Yes. On January 12th.
[5:05:56]
>> Absolutely.
[5:05:57]
>> I understand. I I I know. I get it.
[5:06:02]
>> I it they weren't
[5:06:04]
>> and and it I just it's I think it's
[5:06:07]
confusing compensation with a stipen,
[5:06:09]
>> right? It's it was a one-time stipen to
[5:06:11]
pacify an issue. That's right.
[5:06:13]
>> And it was it was a benefit to the
[5:06:16]
insurance authority to have this work
[5:06:18]
done. It it it potentially augment or
[5:06:22]
pacified the the litigation that was
[5:06:25]
likely and it addressed the board's
[5:06:28]
what I thought to be the board's
[5:06:30]
directive to find another solution to
[5:06:31]
fix this. I I I think and I don't want
[5:06:34]
to go out of turn here, but I think the
[5:06:37]
idea was in finance committee in 2025 in
[5:06:40]
December that we asked you to try to
[5:06:43]
find a solution that we could sign off
[5:06:45]
on. We were not given that ability to
[5:06:47]
sign off on the workg group took that
[5:06:50]
decision away from us. Right? We didn't
[5:06:53]
say administrator waterman find a
[5:06:56]
solution that the work group can solve.
[5:06:58]
We said find a solution that we all as a
[5:07:01]
board can approve. Those are very very
[5:07:03]
different things.
[5:07:04]
>> One of the quotes I cited commissioner
[5:07:06]
with all due respect is is there another
[5:07:08]
mech mechanism where we can affect these
[5:07:10]
changes that's outside of this. That was
[5:07:12]
your
[5:07:13]
>> that's outside of this resolution right
[5:07:14]
because we all didn't like the
[5:07:15]
resolution. My my if you'll keep reading
[5:07:19]
my solution was to dissolve the
[5:07:21]
compensation commission and then let us
[5:07:23]
make that decision. We didn't have that
[5:07:26]
work group that was promised to us,
[5:07:27]
right? And that's fine, but and they and
[5:07:31]
you know,
[5:07:33]
we had this discussion for a year and a
[5:07:35]
half.
[5:07:37]
If we had dissolved the compensation
[5:07:39]
commission, we could have solved the
[5:07:41]
issue. I don't want to go back in time,
[5:07:42]
but that's how I viewed the issue.
[5:07:46]
I and the quotes that you put in the
[5:07:48]
email all come back to present us
[5:07:52]
something that we can all agree on going
[5:07:55]
forward.
[5:07:56]
>> The only problem with that, Doug, sorry.
[5:07:58]
The only problem with that is we never
[5:08:00]
made a motion to that effect. We never
[5:08:01]
gave a directive. No, I'm just saying
[5:08:03]
there are quotes in the email that say
[5:08:05]
that and and administrator Wman saying I
[5:08:07]
have these quotes and I totally get that
[5:08:08]
there are quotes but all the quotes come
[5:08:11]
back to we would like a solution that we
[5:08:15]
as a board can sign off on.
[5:08:17]
>> I appreciate that that's your
[5:08:18]
interpretation. However, the motion was
[5:08:20]
to table the recommended solution and to
[5:08:23]
direct the uh Patrick to come up with
[5:08:26]
something else. It didn't say come up
[5:08:27]
with something else and bring it back to
[5:08:28]
the board. I appreciate that. That was
[5:08:29]
the intent of a number of board members,
[5:08:31]
but that was not specifically, this is
[5:08:33]
just a point of order, that was not
[5:08:34]
specifically stated in the
[5:08:36]
>> exact motion to come up with something
[5:08:38]
else. Is that what the motion?
[5:08:39]
>> I actually I think it was motion was
[5:08:40]
just a table,
[5:08:41]
>> right? So
[5:08:42]
>> even even less even more vague.
[5:08:44]
>> Yeah. So he actually wasn't directed by
[5:08:47]
motion to come up with something else.
[5:08:50]
That was conversation.
[5:08:51]
>> It was I it should have
[5:08:53]
>> I appreciate that, but the motion was
[5:08:55]
not specifically to bring it back to the
[5:08:57]
board. That's all I'm saying.
[5:08:58]
>> Josh, if I could jump in here.
[5:09:01]
>> Um,
[5:09:03]
>> irrespective of of
[5:09:06]
whatever Patrick might have been
[5:09:08]
directed with, if the insurance
[5:09:09]
authority is sitting there looking at
[5:09:11]
we've got uh liability exposure here on
[5:09:14]
a a compensation claim, they're not
[5:09:18]
determining what that compensation
[5:09:20]
should be. They're just as an insurance
[5:09:22]
authority trying to determine at what
[5:09:25]
price can we end the threat of
[5:09:29]
litigation on the matter.
[5:09:32]
Yeah. So they weren't hired as county
[5:09:34]
employees.
[5:09:37]
You just found the the price point that
[5:09:39]
there there was no longer a threat of
[5:09:41]
litigation over this.
[5:09:44]
>> Absolutely correct.
[5:09:46]
We could probably discuss this all
[5:09:49]
afternoon long.
[5:09:50]
>> Um, and I understand that there are at
[5:09:53]
least three commissioners, maybe more,
[5:09:54]
who are not happy with the way this
[5:09:55]
went. A few that haven't spoken. Maybe
[5:09:58]
they are, they aren't. I don't know. As
[5:10:00]
a discussion item, I don't know what
[5:10:02]
further we need to do as a board. Um,
[5:10:05]
I'd be happy to offer some comments. I I just would rephrase what I sent in the
[5:10:10]
email uh to to the count to the
[5:10:13]
commissioners when this topic came up.
[5:10:15]
Um, but that's already in the email and
[5:10:16]
that's already public. So, I I don't
[5:10:19]
know that I can add anything more to
[5:10:20]
this. Um,
[5:10:23]
>> yeah, go ahead, Jacob. Thank you. I've
[5:10:25]
not spoken yet.
[5:10:26]
>> I am on the insurance authority. I'm not
[5:10:29]
in the work group. Uh, as part of the
[5:10:32]
insurance authorities's uh
[5:10:34]
responsibility, we do look at
[5:10:36]
liabilities regularly.
[5:10:39]
This mess
[5:10:41]
was a true mess from the prior board,
[5:10:44]
from the prior compensation committee
[5:10:46]
that had to be addressed. We put this
[5:10:49]
back to our attorneys and said, "Are
[5:10:51]
these claims valid? Do we have real
[5:10:54]
liability and exposure here?" They
[5:10:56]
answered, "Yes, this is this is a this
[5:10:58]
is a true mess.
[5:11:00]
Mr. Bush and Miss Clark are not making
[5:11:03]
this up. This is a mess, right? We need
[5:11:05]
to figure this out. The board discussed
[5:11:08]
this back in December that yeah, we want
[5:11:11]
to do this the right way. We need to
[5:11:13]
figure out a way to do this the right
[5:11:14]
way.
[5:11:16]
Once Mr. Waterman uh took his seat, he
[5:11:20]
was tasked with trying to figure out a
[5:11:22]
way to make this work.
[5:11:25]
When I asked questions as to how this
[5:11:27]
all took place over the last 48 hours,
[5:11:29]
there's a there's a lot of information
[5:11:31]
here to digest, but I was very satisfied
[5:11:34]
that it was done in a very fair and
[5:11:36]
legal way because it put the interests
[5:11:40]
of Ottawa County first. This could have
[5:11:43]
been a very expensive litigation to go
[5:11:44]
through. We avoided that. This was a
[5:11:47]
solution that two wonderful public
[5:11:50]
servants were willing to go along with.
[5:11:53]
appreciate that too. We need to not
[5:11:55]
repeat the the messes of the past. Do
[5:11:59]
things the right way. I'm very grateful
[5:12:00]
that the new compensation committee is
[5:12:02]
now meeting with legal counsel with uh
[5:12:05]
experienced seasoned leadership is uh is
[5:12:08]
public. They're using the cameras and
[5:12:10]
audio. Uh all things that the last
[5:12:13]
compensation committee didn't do. They
[5:12:15]
didn't even take minutes. It was a true
[5:12:18]
mess that needed to be cleaned up. So,
[5:12:20]
I'm grateful that we found a solution
[5:12:22]
that works, very inexpensive solution.
[5:12:26]
The the the false flag here to try to
[5:12:29]
equival
[5:12:31]
make the uh the accusation that certain
[5:12:34]
people are being paid, you know, without
[5:12:36]
the the whole board knowing is reckless.
[5:12:40]
>> No, it's not.
[5:12:41]
>> It's reckless. You should not be saying
[5:12:42]
that. You are making accusations about
[5:12:45]
things you know nothing of. You haven't
[5:12:47]
asked your questions. You know, you're you're
[5:12:51]
what happened under Commissioner Moss'
[5:12:53]
leadership with Eper and Wetmore. I keep
[5:12:55]
hearing it's it's like that this is
[5:12:58]
these this this is a false flag if I've
[5:13:02]
ever seen one. I appreciate that you
[5:13:04]
handled it correctly, that you came up
[5:13:06]
with a solution that we could move
[5:13:08]
forward with and this is in the best
[5:13:10]
interest of Ottawa County. So, I found
[5:13:13]
out about this just like everybody else
[5:13:15]
did, asked questions and got
[5:13:18]
satisfactory answers. So, I understand
[5:13:19]
that there's no there's no backroom
[5:13:22]
deals going on there. This kind of
[5:13:25]
language needs to stop because this
[5:13:28]
isn't helpful. So, that's where I stand
[5:13:31]
on this. I think that we can move
[5:13:33]
forward from this and I think that we
[5:13:35]
have a plan with the new compensation
[5:13:37]
committee to make sure that things are
[5:13:39]
back on track.
[5:13:41]
>> All right. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner,
[5:13:42]
anyone else care to comment? Uh,
[5:13:45]
Commissioner Winsel,
[5:13:46]
>> you just made the point that others knew
[5:13:48]
nothing of.
[5:13:50]
>> No, that that is the role of the
[5:13:52]
insurance authority to deal with this.
[5:13:55]
We've we've dealt with so many lawsuits
[5:13:57]
from Ottawa Impact's decisions.
[5:13:59]
>> How much how many millions of dollars
[5:14:01]
are sitting in the insurance authority
[5:14:03]
at the moment?
[5:14:03]
>> That is not what we're discussing,
[5:14:05]
Allison. We're discussing how to fix a
[5:14:08]
problem that was created by leadership
[5:14:10]
you put in place. Don,
[5:14:13]
>> well, I think it's important to keep in
[5:14:15]
mind understanding that
[5:14:18]
>> uh the insurance authority didn't change
[5:14:20]
any compensation commission decision.
[5:14:23]
They didn't change compensation.
[5:14:27]
» They basically gave additional
[5:14:28]
assignments to two elected officials.
[5:14:32]
The pay those elected officials get for
[5:14:35]
their statutory duties did not change.
[5:14:38]
And they're taking a risk. They they got
[5:14:40]
extra pay for extra duties. They did.
[5:14:43]
>> It was real work meetings.
[5:14:45]
>> Extra duties to get what they had been
[5:14:48]
owed all along and they still don't have
[5:14:51]
that in their salary. Now their salary
[5:14:53]
from the county is still below and
[5:14:56]
they're taking the risk that this will
[5:14:57]
be worked out I assume. Do you haveus to
[5:15:00]
show their work?
[5:15:03]
>> I don't have anything. I'm just
[5:15:04]
listening here like all of you like like
[5:15:06]
you I think. Well, no, no, no. Because
[5:15:08]
all you have at least you all have read
[5:15:11]
stuff before me. I walked into this
[5:15:13]
today. So, no, I don't have anything. Um
[5:15:16]
but but the idea But the idea that
[5:15:19]
county board decisions were changed, no,
[5:15:22]
or compensation commission decisions
[5:15:24]
were changed, that's not true. The
[5:15:27]
insurance authority acted on its own
[5:15:30]
with its own dollars with its own
[5:15:32]
assignments and these officials had to
[5:15:35]
do things beyond their statutory
[5:15:36]
authorities to get these dollars from
[5:15:39]
the insurance authority.
[5:15:41]
>> Okay. Thank you. Comfortable with that.
[5:15:42]
So I I am requesting um copies of the
[5:15:47]
affidavits from the members of the
[5:15:49]
officers compensation commission that are believed to have justified
[5:15:55]
these decisions. And so when when this
[5:15:58]
was brought to us before, we didn't
[5:16:00]
believe the evidence was there. And so
[5:16:03]
uh my understanding was was that you
[5:16:06]
know more a was that testimony was
[5:16:08]
requested of those officer compensation
[5:16:11]
commission members and then we as a
[5:16:14]
board didn't hear anything more after
[5:16:17]
those those things were requested. So, I
[5:16:20]
would like a copy of those records
[5:16:22]
because it appears to me that based on
[5:16:24]
whatever you received, you came to a
[5:16:27]
conclusion, I'm not saying you, but you
[5:16:29]
came to a conclusion that um that money
[5:16:33]
was owed to these two elected officials.
[5:16:36]
And so, that's information that we did
[5:16:38]
not have and that we were not provided
[5:16:40]
at that board meeting because because
[5:16:43]
that piece was missing for us. We were
[5:16:45]
not sure that that all the board members
[5:16:49]
truly did um vote on that and have that
[5:16:52]
understanding at that at that time and
[5:16:54]
that date. So, if you received evidence
[5:16:57]
that proves that, we would like to have
[5:16:59]
that.
[5:16:59]
>> I I'll have to look back, but I'm pretty
[5:17:01]
sure that that was included in the
[5:17:03]
resolution already.
[5:17:04]
>> No, it was included from one board
[5:17:07]
member, Larry Jackson, and we did not
[5:17:09]
have affidavit from all board members.
[5:17:12]
And so whatever information was
[5:17:14]
collected from all board members, this
[5:17:17]
board I believe needs to see.
[5:17:19]
>> I'll just jump in here. I I think valid
[5:17:22]
question. Sure, Silia. I I don't think
[5:17:24]
it's valid given the solution has
[5:17:25]
already taken place.
[5:17:27]
>> Well, but the solution might not have
[5:17:29]
been needed if it wasn't justified. So,
[5:17:31]
the justification is needed.
[5:17:34]
>> I appreciate that, but we chose not to
[5:17:36]
take action. I'm gonna read my draft
[5:17:38]
response to the board from earlier and
[5:17:41]
then let's wrap this up. Um,
[5:17:44]
>> Josh, could I do one really quick
[5:17:45]
comment before you do that?
[5:17:47]
>> I haven't I haven't spoken yet.
[5:17:49]
>> Keep it super short.
[5:17:50]
>> I'm just getting tired and it's
[5:17:51]
>> I know I have a meeting I have to go to,
[5:17:53]
too.
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>> Um, I I'll just say I do have a much
[5:17:56]
better understanding of everything
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that's happened now. Um, and as
[5:18:00]
Commissioner Bono was saying, I I think
[5:18:02]
I am there's one element that I'm
[5:18:05]
particularly just I'd like to raise and
[5:18:08]
that's that members of the insurance
[5:18:09]
authority were not aware of what the
[5:18:11]
work group did. So, as we've that
[5:18:16]
probably should have that should have
[5:18:17]
had a little tighter
[5:18:20]
connection.
[5:18:21]
>> That's not I I did report that to to the
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insurance authority at the next meeting
[5:18:25]
following that. I give a report at every
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meeting. did report that
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>> I was out of the country for that
[5:18:30]
meeting. So that's correct.
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>> Thank you. Thank you for providing the
[5:18:34]
additional information. And I have other
[5:18:35]
thoughts, but
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>> Okay.
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>> And and by the way, we have commissioner
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comments later, which is where I thought
[5:18:40]
a lot of this belonged for me
[5:18:42]
personally. All right. Um here you go.
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Having watched the compensation
[5:18:46]
committee meeting and reviewed the
[5:18:48]
December finance committee meeting
[5:18:49]
discussion about compensation for
[5:18:51]
countywide officials, I can completely
[5:18:54]
understand the confusion and
[5:18:55]
frustration.
[5:18:57]
At the December 9 finance committee
[5:18:59]
meeting, commissioners told staff that
[5:19:01]
they were not comfortable with the
[5:19:02]
proposed solution to increasing
[5:19:04]
compensation for Miss Clark and Mr.
[5:19:05]
Bush. A motion to address the issue was
[5:19:08]
tabled and staff were tasked with coming
[5:19:10]
up with another solution.
[5:19:13]
different interpretations on whether
[5:19:14]
that was to come back to the board or
[5:19:15]
not. I agree.
[5:19:19]
The next time the full board met was a
[5:19:21]
week later, December 18. The issue was
[5:19:24]
not addressed or discussed. It was not
[5:19:26]
put back on the table. Matter of fact,
[5:19:28]
it shouldn't have been because it wasn't
[5:19:29]
the finance committee meeting. The next
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time the finance committee meeting met
[5:19:33]
was on January 20th. The issue was not
[5:19:36]
discussed. No commissioners brought it
[5:19:37]
back onto the table for further
[5:19:39]
discussion.
[5:19:41]
In the meantime, staff approached Miss
[5:19:43]
Clark and Mr. Bush from the through the
[5:19:46]
vantage point of the insurance authority
[5:19:48]
with an opportunity to take on
[5:19:49]
additional work on behalf of the
[5:19:51]
insurance authority. Both Miss Clark and
[5:19:54]
Mr. Bush agreed to do additional work
[5:19:58]
and were assigned projects
[5:20:02]
as stated by uh Mr. uh Waterman over
[5:20:05]
there. Mr. Bush is working on an
[5:20:07]
evaluation of insurance authority owned
[5:20:09]
property associated with the 231 bypass.
[5:20:11]
Miss Clark is working on numerous
[5:20:13]
lawsuit reviews.
[5:20:17]
Between December 9
[5:20:20]
and this week's compensation committee
[5:20:22]
meeting, which was last week at the time
[5:20:24]
I wrote this, while neither the finance
[5:20:26]
committee nor the board of commissioners
[5:20:28]
asked for further updates from staff
[5:20:30]
regarding the December 9 discussion,
[5:20:32]
neither did staff nor board leadership.
[5:20:34]
I'll put myself in that offer that a
[5:20:36]
solution had been found and undertaken
[5:20:38]
with the insurance authority.
[5:20:40]
The reason that this slipped my mind at
[5:20:42]
the insurance authority meeting is that
[5:20:45]
was the first meeting in January
[5:20:47]
and while commissioner or excuse me
[5:20:49]
administrator Waterman did bring this up
[5:20:51]
and mentioned that the work group had
[5:20:53]
resolved the issue the primary
[5:20:56]
discussion at that meeting was the
[5:20:58]
lawsuit against Mr. Moss by Mr. Klein.
[5:21:02]
At that lawsuit, we were informed that
[5:21:05]
would we should we not settle this
[5:21:06]
lawsuit, we would be looking at millions
[5:21:09]
of dollars in damages.
[5:21:12]
So, you'll have to forgive me if a 10
[5:21:14]
to$15,000 issue slipped my mind at that
[5:21:18]
time. However, I will say that we should
[5:21:21]
have myself and Patrick should have
[5:21:23]
reported back to the full board um at
[5:21:25]
the next earliest meeting or to the
[5:21:27]
finance committee as this originated in
[5:21:28]
the finance committee. And for that lack
[5:21:30]
of communication, I do apologize. And we
[5:21:33]
will work to do a better job, won't we,
[5:21:34]
Patrick?
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>> Yep.
[5:21:35]
>> All right. Thank you. Let's move on now
[5:21:38]
to the next item on the agenda, which I
[5:21:40]
think
[5:21:42]
>> I don't know where it went.
[5:21:45]
>> Oh, report from the county
[5:21:46]
administrator. Clear the slate, take a
[5:21:49]
deep breath, and Patrick, take it away.
[5:21:52]
>> You um I don't want to steal any of the
[5:21:54]
commissioners thunder, but I did. Brian
[5:21:56]
and I enjoyed the time we were able to
[5:21:58]
spend with the seven commissioners who
[5:21:59]
attended this week's MAC legislative
[5:22:01]
conference in Lancing. Uh he and I came
[5:22:04]
back with a lot of good notes and ideas
[5:22:06]
on things we can look at doing here in
[5:22:07]
Ottawa. The legal services director
[5:22:10]
position is currently posted and while
[5:22:12]
there have been several qualified
[5:22:13]
applicants that have applied, we did
[5:22:15]
decide to extend the application
[5:22:17]
deadline to May 15th to allow additional
[5:22:19]
time for an eer even deeper pool of more
[5:22:22]
qualified applicants. So we do hope to
[5:22:25]
begin the interview process for that
[5:22:27]
towards the end of May. Work continues
[5:22:30]
on the CH authority transition efforts
[5:22:33]
which seem to pop up new thoughts and
[5:22:35]
questions daily. Uh I have asked Deputy
[5:22:38]
Administrator Deette to prepare an
[5:22:39]
update on the progress for the board at
[5:22:41]
the next month's meeting.
[5:22:43]
Coincidentally, um I ran into the deputy
[5:22:46]
from Mskegeegan and one of his
[5:22:47]
commissioners um at the MAC conference
[5:22:50]
who are now looking at transitioning
[5:22:51]
their CH department to an authority. So
[5:22:54]
they want to ask uh questions about that. Uh speaking of which, as was
[5:22:59]
noted, May is mental health awareness
[5:23:01]
month, which was established in 1949 to
[5:23:04]
highlight the importance of mental
[5:23:06]
health, educate the public, and
[5:23:07]
celebrate recovery from mental illness.
[5:23:09]
The observance encourages individuals
[5:23:12]
and communities to recognize the vital
[5:23:14]
role mental health plays in overall
[5:23:16]
well-being and to foster supportive
[5:23:18]
environments for those experiencing
[5:23:20]
mental health challenges. Staff will be
[5:23:22]
working on creative ideas on how to
[5:23:24]
answer this challenge and I would invite
[5:23:26]
any of the board members uh to do the
[5:23:28]
same to submit any ideas on how we can
[5:23:31]
raise awareness this month.
[5:23:33]
Next week I will be receiving uh
[5:23:36]
feedback on the proposed strategic plan
[5:23:38]
that I received from leadership team and
[5:23:40]
using it to populate the action steps in
[5:23:43]
the draft plan. Uh we plan to present
[5:23:46]
the draft plan to this board at a May
[5:23:48]
work session. I think we're looking
[5:23:49]
somewhere chair offsite. Is that
[5:23:52]
correct?
[5:23:52]
>> For the May
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>> uh in towards the end of May. So um
[5:23:55]
we're excited to uh circle back on that
[5:23:58]
conversation on the strategic priorities
[5:24:00]
of this board. And lastly, based on
[5:24:02]
today's vote, a newly created document
[5:24:05]
from our communications department
[5:24:07]
called your millillage investment will
[5:24:09]
be published and made available for
[5:24:10]
public distribution. The document
[5:24:13]
provides educational talking points that
[5:24:15]
you as board members can discuss with
[5:24:17]
your constituents. And we'll also be
[5:24:19]
launching on our website at my Ottawa a
[5:24:22]
millillage calculator so property owners
[5:24:24]
can uh see personally what that impact
[5:24:28]
will be uh on their property taxes and
[5:24:31]
that's based on the taxable value. So
[5:24:33]
it's a true accurate uh calculation of
[5:24:36]
the impact. That's all I have.
[5:24:38]
>> Thank you sir. Just a round table round
[5:24:41]
robin if anybody would like to comment.
[5:24:44]
>> You are welcome to do so.
[5:24:46]
>> Sure. Uh festival season is back. Tulip
[5:24:49]
time is going to be here. Uh I'm excited
[5:24:51]
about that. It's going to be a great
[5:24:53]
time to celebrate our Dutch heritage. Uh
[5:24:55]
let's be safe out there. Let's stay out
[5:24:57]
of the traffic and uh yeah, I'm excited.
[5:25:00]
There's a lot of economy that takes
[5:25:02]
place for a lot of small businesses
[5:25:03]
right now. And so be praying for safe
[5:25:05]
roads and safe crowds.
[5:25:07]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Bonama. Anyone
[5:25:09]
else?
[5:25:11]
>> I'll go.
[5:25:12]
>> Oh, Commissioner Roing. Okay. I also
[5:25:14]
enjoyed the Matt conference was good
[5:25:15]
spending time with you guys and getting
[5:25:17]
to know Brian better. Um and so uh that
[5:25:21]
was really good. Also just spending time
[5:25:23]
talking with commissioners from other
[5:25:25]
counties and finding out you know
[5:25:27]
different things that have been
[5:25:28]
happening in their counties was very
[5:25:30]
helpful as well. Um I'm really pleased
[5:25:34]
to see the CH um you know and the parks
[5:25:37]
millillage go on forward and um
[5:25:40]
hopefully those will be great things for
[5:25:42]
our county.
[5:25:43]
Thank you, Commissioner. Anyone else?
[5:25:45]
Commissioner Barry,
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>> I just want to apologize for being tardy
[5:25:49]
today uh with the price of gasoline. I I
[5:25:51]
rode my bicycle out here from Park
[5:25:53]
Township, but
[5:25:55]
somehow my calendar showed 9:30 for the
[5:25:58]
meeting and then when Josh called me, I
[5:26:00]
about had a stroke and set a world
[5:26:03]
all-time world speed record getting out
[5:26:05]
here from Park Township. But um uh but I
[5:26:08]
just wanted to say I I also wanted to
[5:26:10]
apologize to uh employees that were
[5:26:12]
recognized today or the sheriff's
[5:26:14]
accommodation awards and the customer
[5:26:16]
service awards. We got some terrific
[5:26:18]
employees here at the the county and I'm
[5:26:20]
really glad that uh our board takes time
[5:26:22]
to recognize that.
[5:26:25]
>> All right. Thank you, Commissioner. Uh
[5:26:26]
Commissioner MBA. Um just just again a
[5:26:29]
huge thank you to staff um for the hours
[5:26:34]
of work for putting into um our our
[5:26:38]
deliberating on the millages. Um it
[5:26:40]
doesn't go unnoticed. Um I recognize a
[5:26:44]
lot of time was spent in that into that
[5:26:46]
and I appreciated the dialogue that we
[5:26:48]
had as a board as well.
[5:26:51]
>> Commissioner, thank you. Anyone else?
[5:26:55]
All right. Uh seeing none, I'll just
[5:26:57]
close us out by saying thank you
[5:26:58]
everyone for uh your attention during
[5:27:00]
this very long meeting. We got through a
[5:27:01]
lot of stuff, some of it difficult, some
[5:27:02]
of it smooth. Um but this is the work we
[5:27:05]
are called to do. So um it's a privilege
[5:27:07]
and an honor to serve with all of you.
[5:27:09]
Thank you to our staff for sticking
[5:27:11]
around. And with that, we are adjourned.
[5:27:18]
I've had a choice to stick around.