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[0:00] December 1st, 2026 post accurate notice of the meeting has been provided in
[0:06] accordance with the requirements of the open public
[0:10] meeting law by filing the notice in the office of township clerk and by posting
[0:14] the meeting notice on the bulletin board at the municipal building on December
[0:18] 4th, 2025 where it has remained posted since that date. Elite appeared in the
[0:23] daily record in the New York Wedric on December 17th, 2025. And I ask everybody
[0:29] to stand
[0:33] along.
[0:46] At this time, our town is going to read the agenda. Okay. roll.
[0:53] UM >> HERE
[1:04] » are CFO Angel Sabatini
[1:09] attorney and the municipal administrator Madden. M president, we have a quorum.
[1:15] May I begin? >> Yes. Sorry.
[1:19] » I need a yes. All right. Upcoming meeting September
[1:23] 15th at uh 7 p.m. which is the regular meeting October 6th at 7 p.m. which is
[1:27] the agenda meeting. Uh we have one ordinance for second meeting that will
[1:31] be um for action at the next meeting and moving along to the public session. I'd
[1:35] like to after the public session we're going to allow you guys to present just
[1:38] so you guys are aware. So um >> wait, can we do the proclamation?
[1:42] » Well, we're going to do that after public session
[1:44] » because Mr. Second, the councilman from Rockway needs to um attend Danville's
[1:52] proclamation for the same thing. Council, can we do that? Is that okay,
[1:57] » Council President? It's your meeting. >> It's your meeting.
[1:59] » It's your meeting, Council President. Whatever you'd like.
[2:01] » Um, do you have this reservation? >> I
[2:06] do it. This is near and dear to my heart
[2:09] because my this is for ovarian cancer awareness and my grandmother passed when
[2:14] she was 55 in the month of September many years ago and
[2:22] we need to have more awareness.
[2:49] How about now? >> Yes. All right.
[2:53] Okay.
[2:57] Pro Troy Hills proclamation. Whereas ovarian cancer is a serious and
[3:03] life-threatening disease that affects thousands of women and families across
[3:07] the United States each year. And approximately 21,000 women in the United
[3:12] States are expected to be diagnosed with ovarian cancer in 2026. And
[3:17] approximately 12,450 women will lose their lives to this
[3:23] disease. cancer is often difficult to detect in
[3:28] early stages as symptoms can be subtle and there is currently no reliable
[3:33] screening test for women who do not have signs or symptoms.
[3:38] Common warning signs may include persistent bloating, pelvic or abdominal
[3:42] pain, or pressure, difficulty eating or feeling full quickly, changes in urinary
[3:49] and bowel habits, back pain, and usual vaginal bleeding or discharge.
[3:54] Increased awareness of the sign and symptoms of ovarian cancer along with
[3:58] knowledge of personal and family medical history can empower women to advocate
[4:03] for their health and seek appropriate medical attention. Ovarian cancer
[4:08] awareness month provides an opportunity to honor those who have lost their lives
[4:13] to ovarian cancer, support those currently battling with disease,
[4:18] celebrate survivors, recognize their families and caregivers, and promote
[4:23] continued research, education, and awareness.
[4:26] The Passover Pacific joins communities across the nation in raising awareness
[4:32] of ovarian cancer and offering hope and support to all those who lives have been
[4:38] affected by this disease. Now therefore, I prophesy moral township
[4:43] of Pipney, Troy Hills, do hereby proclaim September 2026 as ovarian
[4:50] cancer awareness month in the township of Pipney Troy Hills and encourage all
[4:56] residents to learn the signs and symptoms of ovarian cancer. Support
[5:02] those affected by the disease can join in raising awareness and advancing hope
[5:08] for earlier detection, improved treatments, and ultimately a cure. Thank
[5:13] you.
[5:46] Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you, uh, mayor and
[5:49] thank you, council. I appreciate it. I'm Jonathan Sacket. I'm council vice
[5:52] president Rockway Township. This actually is my sister. She's an ovar
[5:57] ovarian cancer survivor. Um, she was diagnosed with stage three in her 30s as
[6:02] well as breast cancer at the same time. The sackets go around the country
[6:07] collecting ovarian cancer proclamations. Our goal this year is over a 100
[6:11] proclamations. My sister got her first one from us in Rockway Township in 2021.
[6:18] Last year we had about 80. This year we're on pace to over 100. So tonight
[6:23] I'm here. I'm going to Denver after this. My brother is collecting some down
[6:27] in Barnagot and my sister lives in Arizona. So she's collecting. So I
[6:31] really appreciate partipony the council and the mayor's support. Thank you. so
[6:35] much.
[6:44] » Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
[6:51] » Okay. Um at this time, I'm going to go ahead and
[6:55] um entertain a motion to open up the public session.
[6:59] » Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh, second by
[7:01] Mr. Kari. Roll call. Mr. Karipi. Yes, >> Mr. Kavanagh.
[7:05] » Yes. Mr. >> Tal, yes. Mr.
[7:06] » Hernandez. Yes. >> Is open to the public. You have 5
[7:08] minutes to speak on any matter. Please state your name before you speak. Thank
[7:11] you. >> Seeing nobody, I'm going to close it.
[7:12] No, I'm just kidding. Go ahead.
[7:23] » Uh Kendallski for symphony. Uh good evening. I just wanted to say a couple
[7:27] of words about the importance of passing an ordinance to stop the proliferation
[7:32] of data centers or prohibit large data centers in particular. Uh I know you're
[7:38] all aware of this issue. Uh it's now become a major issue probably in most
[7:43] political races. Um everybody is aware of it. However, uh just because Paripony
[7:49] may not feel like the right place for a data center doesn't mean that we
[7:53] shouldn't protect ourselves. AI and the internet are going to be with us
[7:57] forever. I mean forever. And uh what might not be a threat or a problem now.
[8:04] Uh who knows what could happen in the future. Uh you don't want to be caught
[8:08] with a builder coming in a fine for an you know presenting an application for a
[8:13] data center and you don't have any ability to protect yourselves. So, uh, I
[8:18] know that you have, uh, I think a couple of, uh, data center, uh, ordinances, uh,
[8:25] draft ordinances that you're looking at. And, uh, I just want to encourage you to
[8:30] [cough] move along with them. Let's get this done. And, uh, hopefully, uh, you
[8:36] know, we can do, uh, and live on the one that you got the car. And if
[8:43] anybody has any questions on any of the stuff, you know, you can find all the
[8:47] stuff I put in [laughter] there that uh you might not care for, whatever. Um
[8:53] you know, you can contact me and I'm happy to do any research on any issues
[8:57] that that come up. So uh let's let's put this together. You've got a great
[9:01] template to work with. It's very robust. And uh I would ask that you make it a
[9:06] priority, review the draft and make a commitment to producing a version that
[9:11] can be presented at the next meeting and read on first, you know, for first
[9:15] reading two weeks from tonight. So, thanks very much for your efforts on
[9:19] this and uh let's just get this done and put it behind us. Thanks.
[9:25] [applause]
[9:45] Tim Bario's 24 Farmstead Drive. Um, I also would like to be heard on these
[9:52] data centers. um
[9:58] » I think it's at least 10 years that Porcupinly currently has two active data
[10:05] centers. How do I know this? Because part of my IT career has been spent
[10:11] working at the Cologic data centers, not including the other ones located in the
[10:17] in our area here in Morris County and especially down in Bergen County.
[10:22] Um for those of us who may not be remembering during Sandy a lot of our
[10:29] businesses stayed up because of these data centers. Now in 2026 we are looking
[10:35] at the uh explosion of AI. AI has takes a lot of shapes and sizes. But let me
[10:43] explain what happens to AI. These AI systems require a lot of power, a lot of
[10:50] uh resources, uh climate control, you know, uh we talk
[10:55] about AI helping us with health. We talk about AI helping us with surgeries,
[11:01] helping around the world. We are all connected
[11:06] uh through these data centers. So, let's not be so shortsighted and take what is
[11:13] considerably uh challenging information that, you
[11:17] know, we're going to we're going to hurt the environment and we're going to do
[11:22] the water and the whole bit. Tell you right now in part
[11:26] I don't think too many people know these data centers existed. It is no longer
[11:31] okay just to follow the one side of click or not. Data centers bring tax
[11:37] dollars. data centers helps pay for some of these services that we need in this
[11:42] town. Unless of course we're handing out pilots,
[11:46] but what you need to know is that data centers are the future.
[11:53] And you know, Caucus, there are a bunch of data centers down
[11:57] there that downtown Manhattan runs off of and I don't see them shutting them
[12:01] down or setting up ordinances to stop them from being built in Edison. Also,
[12:06] there's a lot of tax dollars involved with these data centers.
[12:11] Last thing, um, and and this is just I'm asking for help.
[12:19] Uh, a close colleague of mine, um, customer who lives on Troy Metals Road
[12:26] here in Paripany. Um,
[12:30] his wife had passed away in March from cancer.
[12:36] I was at his house today because his printer wouldn't work because he was
[12:40] trying to finish filling a police report.
[12:44] Three of our lowass citizen, where the hell they came from, broke it into his
[12:49] poor man's house, stole what they thought was a jewelry
[12:54] box. Unfortunately, it wasn't. It was his wife's ashes,
[13:00] not including a storage a um one of those steel case boxes in which had his
[13:06] wife's death certificate, marriage certificate, birth certificate. I
[13:10] watched this man walk his wife to the grave.
[13:14] Now, I know the police have been called, they've done their interviews, there are
[13:18] pictures, there are videos, but two things.
[13:25] We need to do something. There are too many of these stories coming out. And
[13:28] now this poor guy lost his wife again. I just left his house. He is in tears.
[13:37] And he's not he's not unrealistic. He probably knows
[13:41] that he's never going to have he's lost his wife twice.
[13:46] I am asking, especially if you're in the Troy Meadows section of Paripany or any
[13:51] place else, you check your Ring cameras, whatever. But we really need to see
[13:57] something, say something for our our other citizens. I've been part been
[14:01] working I worked with Cassandra Grasso trying to do a lot of these um you know,
[14:08] you know, working at the neighborhood watches and stuff like that. You know, I
[14:12] and I know we're all working hard. We got a thousand things to do, but my
[14:17] heart broke today and uh I wish there was something to do. I don't think there
[14:22] is, but I wanted to mention it. So, thank you.
[14:32] » Sorry to hear that. Tim, we'll talk afterwards. Okay.
[14:55] I don't know why.
[15:00] » Okay. Um, my name is Bob Vanedzia and I'm from Caripony.
[15:06] And uh, as we've seen here tonight, lately the subject of data centers has
[15:12] become a hot topic of discussion on TV news programs, all forms of internet
[15:17] media, and in the municipal governing body meetings all over the country,
[15:23] including here in Paripony. This issue has gotten so much attention
[15:28] and is so pervasive that has now become a major issue for the November midterm
[15:33] elections. Media portrayal of data centers has been
[15:37] overwhelmingly negative. So it comes as no surprise that much of the public has
[15:43] adopted a negative opinion about them. I believe that it will be severely
[15:48] detriment detrimental to the country if public opinion is able to significantly
[15:55] slow down the growth of data centers. Like it or not, the US is involved in
[16:02] technology war with China and data centers and AI
[16:07] are the current battlefront in my opinion. I'm saying in in the
[16:13] planning column in Forbes magazine, retired US Air Force Lieutenant General
[16:19] David Depula, the dean of the Mitchell Institute of Aerospace Studies, stated
[16:25] that AI data centers are not just about cloud computing. They're the backbone of
[16:30] military and intelligence superiority, and their development must be a top
[16:36] national priority. General Depula is just one of many generals who hold that
[16:42] same opinion. On the other hand, there's not a single US military general on
[16:48] record who is in opposition to data centers
[16:52] because data centers are so important to our national security. It seems that the
[16:56] growth of these facilities is essential to the country. But are they good for
[17:02] Pipony? Well, that depends on what type of data
[17:07] center we're talking about. The media never makes clear, and it's probably on
[17:12] purpose, that there are actually two types of data centers.
[17:17] There are the humongous facilities that support AI, which consume human huge
[17:22] amounts of water and electricity. But there are also much smaller nonAI
[17:27] traditional data centers which support servers, storage, networking, and
[17:33] internet service. To date, no AI data centers exist in Mars County.
[17:43] But six traditional data centers already are already in operation here. Moreover,
[17:49] a company called Collog, which you heard, currently operates one of these
[17:53] traditional data centers at 200 Webro Road in Paripity.
[18:02] Concern about water usage is really a non-issue
[18:06] at all of the Mars County data centers because all of them are air cooled,
[18:12] don't use water. The Cologic data center uses only about 5% of the water used by
[18:18] a 400 unit apartment complex such as 1515
[18:23] Route 10. And unlike the apartments, the data center generates minimal traffic
[18:29] and sends no children to our school system.
[18:33] As I mentioned before, there are no AI data centers in Paripony and there
[18:39] likely will never be one. All uh AI facilities generate noise requiring very
[18:46] large buffers between them and residential areas. A lot of
[18:51] approximately 100 acres would be necessary to meet the noise buffer
[18:56] requirements and no buildable lots of that size exist in Paripony.
[19:02] The services provided by traditional and AI centers are essential to providing
[19:07] computer power to businesses, public and military. There seems to be no re valid
[19:12] reason for opposing the traditional type data centers in parsip or anywhere else
[19:18] in the country for that matter. The construction of AI Dennis uh data
[19:23] centers is is also a non-issue here in Paripony
[19:28] because there are no suitable lots where they can be located. So hopefully people
[19:34] will fact check the media and me before deciding whether to oppose data centers
[19:40] or not. Thank you. >> Thank you. So let me just say because
[19:47] the both of you came up with your comments and I will let you know right
[19:51] now that I hear them and you are right. We are not writing an ordinance to ban
[19:59] all data centers large. We know we have those data centers here and we
[20:05] understand that there are all kinds of data centers and we know that um college
[20:11] hex is one of them and what we're talking about is having large AI data
[20:18] centers that will in that may increase the electric cost of people in paripony
[20:24] that will use our water that would be larger than the collar jacks large big
[20:31] ones. larger than 10 megawatt and would be using recyc nonrecyclable
[20:38] um electricity or water because those are the concerns. So when you see the
[20:44] ordinance that comes out, we'll discuss it. We took a lot of time to make sure
[20:49] we're not throwing the baby out with the bath water because we do understand the
[20:53] points that you've made and that they're they're reasonable.
[20:59] So we hear you
[21:08] Tony Fano 401 Robin Hood Road. Sorry to disagree with you, Mr. Hernandez, but uh
[21:14] there's a thing called a linear generator.
[21:16] It produces can run off of three types of fuel just by flip of a switch and it
[21:22] turns around. is produced gigawatt not megawatt gigawatts that give the AI
[21:28] center power and power can produce power to the towns so it's not going to
[21:33] increase the electricity cost they can also use subcompact nuclear generators
[21:38] which will not produce second item uh we have a gentleman who got hurt sanitation
[21:44] truck at his fundraisers this month I think it's on the 12th so I asking
[21:50] people to come out but uh if you really want to look at look outside the box.
[21:56] » Thank you Tony
[22:02] Pretty Kendani Glenmon comments. So just one point on data centers irrespective
[22:06] whether they can have a self-generating power unit irrespective of whether it
[22:11] sits in Morris County we're all connected to the grid. So whether it's
[22:14] in Morris County, Virginia, wherever whenever they want run the surge, you
[22:20] know, basically we get priced on surge pricing, it will impact us. So we can
[22:24] think about it, you know, small parts of Pintown, Morris County. The reality is
[22:28] if the world is moving towards AI, we should not discourage, you know, uh, for
[22:34] economic sakes that they cannot be built out here. That's some misconception
[22:38] going on, but just be aware of that. Thank you.
[23:03] Good evening. Um, my name is Diana Perary and I live here in Peripany. And
[23:10] a couple points. Um, I'm laughing kind of laughing about the data centers
[23:15] because back in the 80s when and I'm dating myself, companies would have
[23:21] their data centers on site. When I worked in Sandos, they had a huge data
[23:28] center to run their complex. So there I don't think you can say yes or no. I
[23:36] think you got to look at it from the perspective and and put certain
[23:41] parameters around what do we want. You know, we may not want a huge data center
[23:47] that covers hundreds of acres, but like one of the gentlemen said, we have a
[23:53] smaller data center here. They are a reality. And in all honesty, would I
[23:59] want a data center tucked off in in Roman's land and precipany rather than
[24:06] your condos? Absolutely. So, I think we just got to set the
[24:12] parameters around what we will accept within the town. Um,
[24:19] my other question goes to my favorite topic, pilot projects. How is the audit
[24:26] going? And when does the budgeting start and when do you have to see the money in
[24:33] our account in order to uh recognize it for next year's budget?
[24:41] And then um vision zero. Um what I didn't know, Mr. Nyer, was
[24:46] when you announced vision zero, I didn't realize that it's a nationwide program,
[24:52] right? and that you can have initiatives and of course you have to budget for
[24:58] those initiatives. So I'm just putting it out there. I would volunteer gladly
[25:04] to be a member of the that committee and we can start looking at where our our
[25:11] traffic issues are. Where can we help with slowing people down because I can
[25:17] tell you the speeding hasn't slowed down at all. And um I was on Veil Road right
[25:23] where that accident happened and somebody came flying down the other way
[25:28] and I'm like we really need to figure this out. So thank you.
[25:35] » That's okay.
[25:40] Uh Nick Conc um Hayawata,
[25:45] it's good that the public is resisting the data centers because like you said,
[25:53] it's the ambiguous term and it's been around, but now it's a new phase
[25:58] that's actually attacking our society. There is no
[26:04] technology can never be a substitute for biology.
[26:09] And these data centers are scary. And there's a [clears throat] good book out
[26:14] now. It's called the Nerd Reich. And these people that are behind this
[26:21] data center, these they're not they're not nice people. And their mission
[26:27] behind everything is like we're experiencing now in the Trump
[26:30] administration. They're there to destroy government as intended.
[26:38] So the these uh data centers are actually they exist outside the laws of
[26:43] nature. So these technocrats from Silicon Valley, they live outside the
[26:49] laws of nature. They go to their enclosures and the rest of the world is
[26:55] a fantasy to them. So these it's good that we're we're
[27:01] aware of artificial intelligence. And is it really wisdom? Is it going to make
[27:07] the world any better? No. It's information. That's all it is. And then
[27:12] depending on the program or the master or the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain,
[27:17] how he's going to use it. So they can eased, they can stop environmentalists,
[27:23] they can stop people who are uh don't believe that our democracy is
[27:28] progressing and they want to resist it. They can get all any information they
[27:33] need to further destroy the republic which is in trouble right now. So
[27:40] whether we have these uh data center everything has limits like we're going
[27:44] to have uh all right maybe another data center but not to that magnitude but to
[27:50] say that you're against AI is a good healthy human reaction and I'm glad to
[27:56] hear that that we will get it in so we'll contribute to the masses in this
[28:03] country who see what's what's going on. Elon Musk, Peter Steel, not nice people.
[28:11] And there's a whole list of other other uh people in this book, The Nerd, Reich.
[28:17] It's getting very dangerous. >> Thank you, Nick. We probably should have
[28:22] a whole separate meeting just to talk about AI. Um,
[28:26] » seeing no one else, >> I think nobody else is here coming up,
[28:30] right? No. >> Okay.
[28:32] » Seeing no one else, I'd like to entertain a motion to close the public
[28:35] session. Motion >> second.
[28:37] » Made by [clears throat] Mr. Kavanagh, seconded by Mr. Karifi. Roll call. Mr.
[28:40] Karifi. Yes. Mr. Kavanagh. >> Yes. Mr. Patel. Mr. Hernandez.
[28:44] » Yes. >> The floor is closed at this time.
[28:47] » At this time, I just uh please quickly review the consent agenda to be passed
[28:51] on the next meeting. Moving along to the approval of minutes. Same thing. And now
[28:56] we're going to presentation reports. And we are having a presentation by Steve
[29:01] Maraconda. >> Yes.
[29:03] » Is that correct? American >> for Dark Sky NJ. You get uh two minutes,
[29:08] Steve. Okay.
[29:14] » Hi, I'm Michelle Gainer. I'm just here to introduce Steve. Steve uh presented
[29:19] at the library. We the prec the precipitate environmental advisory
[29:23] committee brought Steve in to do a light pollution spe uh talk in December and we
[29:29] were so impressed and it was eye opening and we thought this is something we
[29:33] could all learn about. There's things that he's going to talk about how we can
[29:36] reduce light pollution for humans, for wildlife, for insects and also safety.
[29:43] It's a safety issue having too much light pollution.
[29:47] And just something about Steve, he is a he's the president and co-chair of Dark
[29:52] Sky New Jersey. He's a chair of the Saddle Brook Green Team. Steve has a
[29:57] master's of public health degree from Rkco School of Public Health and is
[30:00] passionate about raising public awareness of light pollution. Light
[30:05] pollution disrupts ecosystems, obscures our view of the night sky, and is
[30:10] associated with various human health conditions. learn about the basics of
[30:14] light pollution responsibility, responsible lighting practices and
[30:18] policies that can help reduce light pollution in New Jersey and beyond.
[30:23] Thank you.
[30:33] I guess I should microphone. I do talk pretty loud though. But
[30:41] um >> you want If you can you guys see the
[30:44] screen well enough? >> All right. I I'll try to keep this short
[30:47] and sweet. Oh, yeah. So, thanks so much. >> Yeah.
[30:50] » Thanks. [clears throat] Thanks so much, Mayor and Council, Parcipity, Troy
[30:53] Hills, and the environmental committee of Tro of Paripity Trails for having me.
[30:56] And yeah, I'll keep this short and sweet. Just talk about light pollution.
[30:59] What is it? Some basics, and then what we can actually do about it as a
[31:02] municipality. M municipalities have a lot of control over actually this type
[31:06] of pollution. It's easier to solve than, I would argue, any other type of
[31:10] pollution. So, here we go. Uh but yeah, I'm the I'm the chair of
[31:16] Dark Sky New Jersey, but it's al it's actually an international organization,
[31:19] Dark Sky International. They have chapters all over the world. They're
[31:21] based in Arizona. That's where the whole Dark Sky movement began. And uh we're
[31:26] just partnering with environmental organizations, environmental commissions
[31:29] to try to spread the word and try to reduce it. And it's really about
[31:34] protecting the night sky, protecting wildlife, protecting human health.
[31:37] That's what the natural night sky looks like. That picture there, you can see
[31:39] the Milky Way. But we're kind of we kind of lost that in our cities and towns
[31:44] with the proliferation of artificial light. This is just our coalition. It's
[31:48] growing. We have all the environmental organizations, the Sierra Club, uh some
[31:52] universities, Princeton is on board, Ruckers trying to reduce light pollution
[31:59] and ANJ which um is the association of New Jersey environmental commissions
[32:03] which of course is a member of and sustainable Jersey even rewards
[32:08] municipalities for reducing light pollution.
[32:12] But yeah, what is light pollution? It's it's basically excessive, misdirected,
[32:16] obstructive artificial light at night that washes away the stars and the night
[32:20] sky, disrupts ecosystems, has adverse health effects, and wastes energy and
[32:23] money. So, basically, it's just too much light, like right like you can argue it
[32:28] noise pollution, right? At night, you don't want your neighbors blasting music
[32:30] at 1:00 a.m. Disrupts your sleep. Kind of the same thing with light. Too much
[32:34] light can actually be bad. Um, we need it, we of course need light at night,
[32:38] but we don't want to go overboard. So, there's two types. I'll mostly focus on
[32:42] outdoor light pollution. Indoor light pollution is basically too much light,
[32:46] you know, inside your house late at night disrupts your sleep. But outdoor
[32:49] light can do similar things in the form of sky glow, washing away the night sky,
[32:54] light trespass, and glare.
[32:59] So, I'll just show a little bit of this then go more into it. Sky glow. You
[33:03] always see that light flying up into the sky. kind of wasted light, wasted
[33:07] electricity, but also washes away our view of of the stars.
[33:11] Light trespass. A lot of towns have ordinances on this, but they're not
[33:15] really well enforced and well defined. But basically, just too much light
[33:19] spilling outside of your property onto other people's property, and especially
[33:23] it's a problem if it's going into your bedroom window, right? Mess with their
[33:27] sleep and glare, which you might be more aware of with the newer headlights,
[33:32] right? Right. The newer headlights that are out a little bit over overkill.
[33:35] Might be good if you're on an empty rural road, but if it's shining right
[33:38] into your eyes in the opposite direction, not too great. And I'll go
[33:41] over why. And then this is just all those
[33:44] different types of light pollution, right? You have your useful light that
[33:48] should be shining on the road on the sidewalk where you need it so you don't
[33:51] hit something, right? Or you can see where you're walking. But then all this
[33:54] other light is just really waste. It's it's going spilling into people's
[33:58] properties, spilling up into the night sky. And there's easy ways to control
[34:02] this. So, I'll get to the solutions after I
[34:05] talk about the problem a little bit, but really it affects everything you could
[34:08] think of. Why I care about light pollution? It affects our wallets. It
[34:11] affects our health. It affects the environment.
[34:14] A little bit about sky glow. That's the United States from space. It might look
[34:19] pretty, but uh that's really just all wasted light, right? We we we could
[34:22] actually redirect those that light down to the ground where it's needed and save
[34:26] a lot of money. And this is of course washing away our night sky. You have to
[34:31] go further and further away to actually see a good night sky. It's growing at a
[34:34] rapid pace about 10% per year by some studies. So I mean there are some areas
[34:40] you can see a good dark sky. You know like if you go up to Maine or you go to
[34:43] the Aderondax or the Catskills New York State that's probably the closest. But
[34:48] uh you know even those areas are becoming brighter and brighter as
[34:51] there's more and more development. So just something we we can we can protect
[34:55] ourselves from this light pollution and and maybe even reduce it if we do the
[34:58] right practices. But only only two in 10 people can see the Milky Way, which is
[35:02] that you know that cloud of stars right there. You it's hard to see that in New
[35:06] Jersey. Of of course we used to be able we all used to be able to see it.
[35:10] This is actually the 2003 Northeast blackout. Um of course blackouts not a
[35:15] good thing, but I mean just look at that sky. I would argue we can, you know,
[35:19] have our lighting like have our cake and eat it too. We can use good lighting
[35:22] that's targeted at the ground and be able to still see the night sky and
[35:25] [clears throat] protect wildlife and human health.
[35:28] That's Orion, the famous constellation there at a light polluted sky and a non
[35:32] and a dark sky. So, I'm not sure which one you'd rather
[35:37] have, but All right. So, light trespass. So, this is indoor and outdoor, but
[35:43] really light trespass could be an issue for human health. I'll explain how. Too
[35:47] much light shining in our bedroom windows or just too much light in
[35:50] general suppresses melatonin, which is a hormone in our brain needed for sleep,
[35:56] needed for immune system functioning. There's increased risk of certain types
[35:58] of cancer like prostate and breast cancer from being exposed to like light
[36:03] at night for a long period of time, especially like overnight nurses.
[36:06] There's been studies showing, you know, just being exposed to too much light at
[36:09] night is not good.
[36:13] Ecological, environmental impacts. Yes, it affects you name it. Every
[36:19] species, bats, frogs, there's more more mosquitoes. There's an increase in
[36:24] mosquitoes. There's less frogs, less bats that eat eat mosquitoes, etc., etc.
[36:30] It's not good for our wildlife. It messes with their sleep just like it
[36:33] messes with our sleep, too. It leads to bird collisions in
[36:37] buildings. It's very prominent in New York City here. You got the like the 911
[36:41] lights. Pretty apppropo. Um, they have to turn them off every once in a while.
[36:44] Now they have people with binoculars. See, cuz the birds get trapped there
[36:48] during migration and they end up colliding into buildings. Uh I was
[36:51] actually just at the New York City Council. Um they they have a new bill
[36:55] that they're introducing. A couple weeks ago I was there and they're supporting
[36:58] trying to you know obviously it's a city that never sleeps, but there's ways that
[37:02] you could turn off unnecessary lights on buildings to reduce bird collisions.
[37:07] Um, I'm not going to get too into the weeds
[37:10] here, but essentially insects, even if you're not a fan of insects, the best
[37:14] thing to do is have your lights off or on a motion sensor or dimmer that
[37:17] because the lights the lights trap the insects. The reason they're flying
[37:20] around the lights is because they're trapped there, which um leads to a large
[37:23] inse uh insect decline. And also, you know, getting rid of the insects that
[37:27] people do like like moths and and fireflies, they use their own light,
[37:31] right? So, we're disrupting that.
[37:35] It actually negatively affects our trees too, believe it or not, right? The trees
[37:38] sense temperature and that's why they lose their leaves, right? Deciduous
[37:41] trees, but also they they sense the daylight. And when you have the light
[37:46] shining on the tree all the time, they don't, you know, messes with the trees.
[37:49] They they'll keep their leaves instead of losing them and they get damaged.
[37:54] You can see in like downtown areas like this, it just completely messes with the
[37:57] trees. Um,
[38:02] and let's get to glare. So, so the main reason I think a lot of people we want
[38:07] lighting so that we can see, right? We can see where we're going and also for
[38:10] safety, right? People are concerned about crime and things like that.
[38:13] However, you'll see here that glare actually impedes both of these uh
[38:18] projects. So, can we find a potential stalker?
[38:22] Right, we have very very bright light, right? Should keep us safe, right? But
[38:27] um you really can't see that guy hiding in the back corner, can you?
[38:31] Why do you think that is? Anyone? Yeah, the light's shining right in your
[38:36] eyes and this causes your pupils to constrict
[38:41] which actually, you know, cuz your eyes adapt to the brightest thing in the
[38:45] field of view. So, your eyes will try to make that light dimmer to adjust and
[38:50] then everything else turns dark. And you might notice this with the really
[38:53] blinding headlights on on dark roads. But if you, you know, simply just
[38:58] shielding so the light's not going straight in your eye, your pupils can
[39:02] dilate, right? And your your night vision kicks in. You can see a lot
[39:05] better, right? You can see that guy hiding in the in the shadows there. So,
[39:10] it's really a myth that more lighting is safer. We want lighting, but we want
[39:14] well-designed lighting. That That's how we have safer
[39:18] environments. So, we don't trip over things and that we can see our
[39:20] environment to make sure nothing out of the ordinary is going on.
[39:25] This is just an example. This is from Hackinack, but uh there's this kind of
[39:29] lighting is everywhere, right? This this light that's basically just shining way
[39:32] outside of the property boundaries of, you know, the intended zone of
[39:36] illumination, right? If it's a sports field, the light should shine on the
[39:39] sports field, not miles and miles outside the sports field. So, you know,
[39:43] we're we're not saying to get rid of lighting, but we're just advocating for
[39:46] smarter designs that we don't have all this light, stray light going way beyond
[39:50] where it's supposed to be light. And this leads to the concept of energy
[39:55] waste, right? Pretty intuitive, right? If we have all this light shining where
[39:58] it doesn't need to go, that's actually just wasted energy. It's estimated that
[40:02] three to seven billion dollars in the US, just in the US per year is wasted.
[40:06] So that's like 30% of all outdoor lighting in the US is wasted light. Like
[40:09] lights, lights that are on when they're not really needed and uh no one's using
[40:14] the light for any particular reason. And that when you don't have shielding, that
[40:18] light just goes up to space. That's also wasted money. and 21 million tons of CO2
[40:23] being burned per year, it's estimated. So, you know, I would just argue this is
[40:28] something that we can really address here. So, yeah, we can make a difference
[40:31] just using better lighting practices and putting in lighting policies. This is
[40:35] where municipalities come in. Just making sure our light is useful. Making
[40:39] sure it's targeted like fully shielded so it's shining downward. Low level, the
[40:44] lowest level necessary, controlled and warm colored.
[40:49] Just like this is a difference here between a property with like traditional
[40:53] flood lights versus fully shielded light fixtures. Um I brought one actually,
[41:02] you know, like these are like traditional barn lights, right? But like
[41:05] this type of picture, there's many different styles, but these are like
[41:07] this. The concept is that the light doesn't go beyond.
[41:11] So, look, it still illuminates the property just fine without all that
[41:14] glare, without all that wasted light.
[41:19] Um, tradition, you know, your unshielded fixtures. Yes, a lot of downtowns have
[41:22] acorn fixtures and like traditional style lights, which do look pretty, but
[41:27] not when they're super bright. Like they used to have gas lamps and that that was
[41:30] fine. It was a warm color, but now they're just really too bright. That
[41:32] light goes everywhere but down. So partially shielded a little bit better.
[41:37] Your traditional fixtures probably at Home Depot you get, but you're still
[41:40] getting that glare and a lot of that diagonal up light. So fully shielded
[41:44] fixtures like this are ideal. And some newer developments are doing this, but
[41:50] uh municipal ordinances can make it's more common practice.
[41:55] and warmer colored. Using that lower end of the spectrum there, that warmer
[41:59] yellow color is less disruptive to wildlife, less disruptive to our vision
[42:04] at night. It's less harsh, and it's actually less bad for our sleep, too.
[42:11] » Just another demonstration of that. And the best is actually I mentioned that
[42:14] controlled. So, having the lights, unless it's like a 24-hour business,
[42:20] lights can be on motion sensors, lights can be on timers. The light doesn't need
[42:23] to be on all night long unless it's a 24-hour business or, you know, a police
[42:26] station. So, the the best practice is fully shielded and then motion sensor or
[42:31] timer when you can. That's my light at my house. That's what it looks like when
[42:35] it's on. That's what it looks like on my
[42:39] property. It's mounted high enough where it fully covers my front lawn without me
[42:42] having to aim the light that way. You can have it shine down and still cover a
[42:46] good surface area. Dark Sky International certifies light
[42:50] fixtures. So, these things are actually at Home Depot. You can get them for
[42:52] pretty cheap. There's no cost difference in this type of lighting. Even when it
[42:56] comes to commercial or even uh municipal like street lights, things like that. Um
[43:02] and there's sports lighting that's dark sky certified. The US Open uh last year
[43:06] the Billy Jean King uh tennis center, all dark sky certified lighting. So, it
[43:10] could be done it could be done anywhere. Now, municipal ordinances. Yeah, this is
[43:15] probably the main purpose for me being here. Uh these are some towns that have
[43:18] have some ordinances in regards to light pollution.
[43:22] the the m so basically just having an ordinance that addresses it and
[43:26] specifically tells you what type of lighting is allowed say for businesses
[43:30] is very beneficial especially for new development or for when a new um
[43:34] business occupies a property. You can just have that laid out there and then
[43:38] they they bring their lights into compliance and it it really is kind of a
[43:42] win-win cuz everyone ends up saving money in the long run. Um it's it's not
[43:46] going retroactive and trying to change everyone's lights. That's that's the
[43:50] environmental committee here is working on educating residents that they do this
[43:53] on their own valition. Um but yeah, this this is a growing movement um in New
[43:58] Jersey and other states and uh I think it's just pretty good policy and I'm
[44:02] happy to take questions on this. Um there's actually a state bill too if you
[44:06] want to support that. It's in the Assembly and the Senate. Um it's a bill
[44:10] for state funded lighting um to be dark sky compliant. We have a lot of buyin
[44:15] from most of the state government except for the DOT. So, we're we're working on
[44:19] that. Um, there actually are other states like Colorado and California and
[44:23] Florida, Virginia that actually have dark sky guidance in their roadway
[44:27] lighting uh guidance. So, so we're just trying to, you know, New Jerseyy's a
[44:31] little bit behind in this, but we'll we will catch up.
[44:35] » What about New York? >> New York is a little bit ahead of the
[44:38] curve, too. Especially New York City changed some of their lighting guidance
[44:41] for street lights recently. Warmer colors, fully shielded, all LEDs, by the
[44:45] way. We're not going back to incandescent or high pressure sodium,
[44:48] but you can do it in a way where it's still fully shielded, still has a warmer
[44:52] color and still good color rendition. You know, the technology is getting
[44:56] better and better. The timers, this is all getting cheaper and cheaper, too.
[44:59] So, yes, we just a lot of people don't aren't aware of the alternatives to like
[45:04] bright white LEDs. There there's actually warmer colors and shielding.
[45:08] And this is just an example of like a retrofit that took place in Hopewell
[45:11] Burough near Trenton. Um just before they had these really really bright
[45:16] flood lights. Um and also as you can see no one's really there to need it. It's
[45:20] not an emotion sensor. Uh a friend of mine did some work with
[45:24] electricians and sheet metal workers and got some nice dark sky friendly
[45:27] fixtures. And as you can see I I would say it has a better curb appeal. It's
[45:31] like a place where you want to spend time more. It's the same thing like
[45:34] having trees in your downtown business district increases the amount of foot
[45:38] traffic, increases the amount of business. I would argue this type of
[45:41] lighting also creates a better environment for people to spend time
[45:48] and just a dark sky New Jersey. We're doing these kind of events and around
[45:52] New Jersey just trying to spread the word
[45:56] and yeah happy to take questions.
[45:59] » Great. So you answered the how many states did you say it? How many states
[46:04] have >> Colorado for the for the department of
[46:07] trans for yeah for the roadway guidance for state dos
[46:12] » Colorado it probably has the best and then there's also California I know
[46:16] Florida has some better language on that in Virginia and I know New York City as
[46:20] well I don't know about New York State but yeah
[46:23] » I got to say some of those lighting like the directed down a lot of our people
[46:28] come into the planning board with that. >> Yes. So, it's it's good. I guess they're
[46:33] following what looks good, too. I wish the cars
[46:37] though would be better. >> Yes. Car headlights. That's a whole
[46:40] other ball game. We need we need federal legislation for that.
[46:43] » I feel blinded.
[46:47] » Uh for wait where
[46:53] » does anybody have?
[46:57] » Yes. Yes. Halogen headlights came out. >> Oh, hallogens are great. It's the LEDs
[47:01] that are a little bit insane. And LEDs are fine. It's just there's no right now
[47:05] there's no upper threshold. >> Yeah.
[47:09] » So, [snorts]
[47:11] Steve, >> I wanted
[47:21] » Okay. I want to just Does anybody have questions for Steve on this?
[47:25] » Thank you for your time, Steve. Much appreciated.
[47:27] » It's really good. Thank you.
[47:31] » Hello. >> How was I on time? Was I
[47:34] » That was a fantastic time. >> The mayor has questions.
[47:37] » Can I get that presentation if you don't mind?
[47:39] » Oh, yes. I'll send it to you and yeah, they can make this public information.
[47:42] » Yeah, actually that's a good idea cuz people might want that.
[47:45] » Yeah, it's it's open source so anyone can I'll give it to the mayor,
[47:48] distribute it. >> Thank you. Thank you.
[47:50] » Thank you, Steve. >> All right.
[47:52] » Okay, mayor, your report. >> Yes.
[47:56] Like the lights back on. >> Yeah, that's pretty good.
[48:04] » Hello. Can you guys hear me? >> Okay.
[48:09] Mayor's report celebrating our seniors. I had the opportunity to stop by our
[48:13] senior centers in recognition of senior citizen day and spend some time with our
[48:18] residents. I enjoyed visiting the senior center. Our seniors helped build this
[48:22] community we enjoy today and they remain an important and active part of
[48:26] Peripany. It was great catching up, sharing some laughs, playing pingpong,
[48:31] most importantly listening to their concerns.
[48:34] Welcoming new residents to Pipony. I visited Lexica, one of Pipney's newest
[48:39] residential development for meet and greet with some of our newest residents.
[48:43] One of the best parts of being mayor is welcoming people who have chosen Pipney
[48:48] as their new home. I enjoyed hearing when people came from, why they chose
[48:53] Pipony, and answering questions about our new community.
[48:57] To all the new residents, welcome home. We're glad you're here.
[49:02] Pipony High School, Pipony Hills High School football motorcade. It was great
[49:07] joining the Pipony Hills High School football motorcade. My first one as we
[49:12] kicked off another football season. What I enjoyed most was seeing how an event
[49:17] centered around football brought together students, parents, coaches,
[49:21] athletes, and the larger sports community. To our players, and coaches,
[49:25] have a great season. Stay healthy, play hard, and most importantly, enjoy the
[49:30] experience. The concert must go on. As you all know, we have concert season,
[49:36] concert day every Thursday. Well, last week the weather exactly did not
[49:41] cooperate with us. But a little rain wasn't going to stop the music. So we
[49:45] can't So instead of cancing the summer concert series, we moved the concert
[49:50] indoors and kept the evening going. Thank you to everyone who adjusted the
[49:54] plans, came out, even dancing front of the stage. I spoke to the band
[49:58] afterwards and they loved playing in the high school. It brought back memories
[50:02] for them when they were in band and theater. That's the summer weather in
[50:06] New Jersey. You make plans, mother nature makes another one and Pipony
[50:10] figures it out.
[50:14] Lord Sterling block party. I also stopped by a neighborhood block party on
[50:19] Lord Sterling Drive. Their first one ever. There was food, neighbors catching
[50:24] up, meeting each other because this was their first one. Kids running around and
[50:29] a bubble machine that may have been the biggest attraction of the day. The kids
[50:33] absolutely loved it. These neighborhood gatherings may seem simple, but they're
[50:37] an important part of what makes a town feel like a community. Sometimes the
[50:41] best community building happens right in the middle of the street. Therefore, I'm
[50:45] encouraging all residents to have these in your neighborhoods. Bring the
[50:49] community together. The township will support you in any way possible.
[50:54] Movies under the stars. We had our first movie night featuring the legendary
[50:59] show. It was wonderful seeing families and generations come together for a
[51:04] movie that for so many is more than just a film. It's a memory. Speaking of
[51:09] memory, for our next movie, we decided participants should choose the movie. We
[51:15] put it to the community poll. The votes are in and the winner is The Karate Kid.
[51:21] So get your blankets and lawn chairs ready for another movie night together.
[51:25] From Bollywood cholay to Hollywood classic chosen by our residents that's a
[51:30] pretty good reflection of Pipany different generations different cultures
[51:33] and one community having fun together around Pipony whether I'm spending time
[51:39] with our seniors welcoming new residents cheering on our students a block party
[51:44] or watching a movie with families in the park these events remind me of something
[51:49] important being mayor isn't just about budgets ordinances roads and meetings
[51:54] it's about showing up. Showing up gives me a chance to listen, meet people I
[51:58] might otherwise never meet and better understand the community I'm fortunate
[52:02] enough to serve. I'll keep showing up and I hope to see you somewhere around
[52:06] Precipity. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Township Council,
[52:12] » I just want to say we had some robust conversation about data centers, AI,
[52:18] um, what else? Light, um, and it soups to nuts. We're talking about lots of
[52:24] things and that's what we do at the Parcity Green team. So if anybody wants
[52:27] to get involved with that, please reach out to me because that's what we do and
[52:33] it's it's all benefits the town to have a lot of diverse ite
[52:46] benefits the town. So we've been trying to get together. we we have been getting
[52:51] together on that and getting that started. It works with the environmental
[52:55] committee as well. So, um and that's what I've been all about. I'm also on
[53:00] the historical committee. It's a little different. So, you can always come and
[53:04] reach reach out to me if you want to be on that committee. It's a little
[53:07] different. Um but that's all I have. >> Thank you, Council President. Anybody uh
[53:12] any other member from council? Okay. >> Committee reports.
[53:15] » Committee reports. Okay, that's coming up. Um council attorney None. Uh, I do
[53:22] not have any reports and back to you, council vice president, for your
[53:24] committee reports. Let's make it quick. No, I'm just kidding.
[53:27] » Thank you. The Economic Development Committee continues its efforts to
[53:31] support business growth, attract investment, and strengthen the local
[53:35] economy through upcoming ribbon cutting ceremonies and community outreach
[53:38] initiatives. The committee joined by Mayor Pulit Desai will welcome Loi
[53:42] Insurance located at 1719 Route 10 during an official ribbon cutting
[53:46] ceremony on Friday, September 11th at 300 p.m. Oagel located at 1515 Route 10
[53:53] East will celebrate its grand opening on September 12th at 9:00 a.m. Orange
[53:59] Theory Fitness located at 38 Waterview Boulevard is under new ownership and
[54:04] will celebrate with a ribbon cutting ceremony on Sunday, September 13th at
[54:08] 10:00 a.m. On Wednesday, September 30th, the committee will welcome Troy Hotel to
[54:13] Parcipany with a ribbon cutting ceremony at 5:00 p.m. The committee recently
[54:17] welcomed Lexica's new tenants on Upper Pond Road during a meet and greet with
[54:21] Mayor Pulit Desai. Each tenant also received a welcome to our community
[54:25] package containing information about Prescipany and our local merchants.
[54:29] Businesses interested in participating in future welcome to our community
[54:32] mailing are encouraged to contact the economic development committee chairman
[54:36] Frank Cahill. The committee's next meeting will be held on Thursday,
[54:40] September 10th at 6:30 p.m. on in the third floor conference room at 90 East
[54:44] Hollyy Road. Meetings are open to the public. For more information, please
[54:48] contact Chairman Frank Cahill at 973-559600.
[54:54] Thank you. That's all from me. >> Thank you. Uh at this time, I'll ask the
[54:58] council to quickly review the ordinances for first reading that will be voted on
[55:01] at the next meeting. As you can see, most of them are related to uh updating
[55:05] fees. Now, moving along to the non-conent agenda. R 2026 2011
[55:11] authorizing a contract for the partial bases
[55:27] R20262 authorizing including emergency repairs
[55:31] and reinsulation of raw sewage pump number one. Motion to approve.
[55:34] » Motion second. >> Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh. Second by
[55:37] Mr. Karipi. Roll call. Mr. Kipi. Mr. Kavanagh. Yes. Mattel.
[55:40] » Yes. Mr. Hernandez. >> Mr. Hernandez.
[55:43] » Yes. Sorry. >> It's okay. R 2026 2003. Appointing a
[55:47] fund commissioner and alternate fund commissioner for New Jersey introductory
[55:50] insurance fund. Motion to approve. >> Motion.
[55:53] » Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh. Second by
[55:55] M. Karifi. Roll call. Mr. Kipi. Mr. Kavanagh.
[55:57] » Yes. Mr. Patel. >> Yes. M.
[55:58] » Hernandez. >> Yes.
[56:00] » R. 2026 20 uh 20 uh 204 204 authorizing an award the award of a contract of to
[56:06] concrete construction for the embankment stabilization at Rainbow Lake Dyke
[56:11] project. Motion to approve. >> Motion second.
[56:14] » Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh. Second by Mr. Karifi. Roll call. Mr. Kari
[56:17] Kavanagh. >> Yes.
[56:19] » Miss Patel. Yes. >> Mr. Hernandez.
[56:20] » Yes. >> R 2026 205 authoriz
[56:24] licensing term July July 1, 2026 through June 30, 2027. Motion to approve. Motion
[56:30] » second. >> Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh. Second by
[56:32] Mr. Karifi. You roll call. Mr. Ki. >> Yes.
[56:35] » Mr. Kavanagh. >> Yes.
[56:36] » Miss Patel. >> Yes.
[56:37] » Mr. Nandez. >> Yes.
[56:38] » Okay. I have one more resolution that is not on the agenda, but it was uh a last
[56:42] minute uh for the public uh for the public's knowledge. This resolution is a
[56:46] resolution that is authorizing a company called JTC Solutions uh to essentially
[56:52] update this entire room with microphones, new camera, new everything.
[56:56] So, the goal refused.
[57:01] » The goal hopefully is by the next meeting, knock on wood, you'll come and
[57:06] this place will be a new place. So, >> I'll make a motion.
[57:09] » Second. >> I just he just has to read it.
[57:12] » I just got to read the title real quick. >> Uh resolution attaching council
[57:15] attachment for city hills authorizing the purchase and installation of
[57:17] computer equipment and per and peripherals for the council chambers and
[57:20] mayor's conference room from JCT Solutions utilizing the Bergen County
[57:23] Cooperative Purchase System BC bid 24-38.
[57:28] Mr. Mr. Creepy, you made a motion. >> Yes.
[57:30] » Second. >> Second by Miss Patel. Roll call.
[57:33] » Yes. >> Mr. Creepy. Mr. Kavanagh.
[57:35] » Yes. >> Miss Patel. Yes.
[57:37] » Mr. Hernandez. >> Fantastic. Thank you all. Um, moving
[57:40] along to approval and payroll of bills list and justice recommends
[57:43] authorization for payment. Number one, authorizes payments for the 911 26
[57:47] regular miscellaneous payment. Uh, payroll estimated at 1,64,000 each. And
[57:52] number two, payment of bills from ber list of 9126 which is estimated to be
[57:56] 1,296,797.79.
[57:59] Can I have a motion to approve? >> Motion second.
[58:02] » Motion made by Mr. Kavanagh, seconded by Mr. Karpi. Roll call. Mr. Karpi. Mr.
[58:06] Kavanagh. Mr. Patel. Yes. >> Mr. Hernandez.
[58:08] » Yes. >> And may I please have a motion to
[58:10] adjourn the meeting? >> Motion second.
[58:12] » Motion made by Mr. Kavanaaugh. Seconded by Mr. Kari. Roll call. Mr. Kipi. Mr.
[58:16] Kavanagh. Yes. Miss Patel. >> Yes.
[58:18] » Mr. Hernandez. >> Yes.
[58:19] » Thank you everyone. Have a great night. Good boy.
[58:23] » Wow.