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For anyone watching online, the city
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council will be starting shortly. Um, if
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you're looking to speak in the public
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input period, please press the raise
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hand button online if you're joined
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through Zoom.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Yes, there's one person raising hand.
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Quinton.
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>> No, it's Quinton. Go ahead.
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Hey, good afternoon. Welcome to our
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temporary temporary chambers and uh
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Freight Street uh for today's city
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council meeting and board of wic
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commissioners meeting. First thing on
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our agenda today is public input. We
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have I'm told one individual signed up
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in person here and one individual
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online. We will take uh Mr. Douglas
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Buckley first.
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Mr. Buckley. Um
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I'll just mention I think we've all
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received your email today. So don't feel
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like you have to read from that email.
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If you'd like to expound upon that, that
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purpose is fine. for the floor to us.
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>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh, Chair
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Mercer and other council members. Uh, I
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come in here today bearing bad news,
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which is if you drove here from your
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homes, each of you was recorded and your
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whereabouts log in a government
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sponsored database. Some of you who live
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close by are luckily lucky to only have
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been recorded once. Um, but if
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Councilwoman Martin Sahoak was here, she
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would have been recorded five times on
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her five minute drive. Uh, Chair Mercer
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and and Councilman Marina were here
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would have been uh they would avoid
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flock on their short walks to the Clep
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Arts Fest next week. Um, but Councilman
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Moran uh would be logged four times on
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his short drive to Slater Park. I
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submitted a letter late last night
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expressing my views on why Flock and
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other ALPR systems should be removed
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from the city. If after reading my
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letter, any council members still do not
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support terminating the flop contract, I
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would refer you to the list of questions
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I attached to my letter, you should get
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answers to those questions from the
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police department.
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See if you then still believe that flock
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belongs in Kentucky.
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Sure.
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And uh by the way, I omitted one
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important question in my haste last
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night, which is what are the
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demographics of the registered owners of
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the cars who are had inquiries by the
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police department with Glock? If the
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police department can't answer that
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question, then know that your inaction
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here likely supports a Jim Crow Arab
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pole tax, except instead of
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disenfranchisement, the penalty for the
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people being targeted here are going to
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be criminal fines and possibly jail time
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if this system is not actually being
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enforced in a way that is fair to the
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citizens of Pucket. So that question
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should be added to my questions if any
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counselors think that this block system
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should remain. I won't go through my
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whole letter, but I want to rebut a few
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responses that folks may have when they
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read it. One response might be, well,
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we're being tracked anywhere ever
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everywhere anyway, right? We kind of
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know this. Unfortunately, that's true,
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but it's voluntary. If you download
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Facebook on your phone or if you sign up
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for a stop and shop card, you're
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voluntarily going to be tracked in some
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way. Walking out on the street or
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putting your tires to the pavement is
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not a voluntary action that should
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require you to be tracked by the police
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and by a corporate entity who we really
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know nothing about what they do to data.
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They can say all they want, but I don't
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trust it. And as the representatives of
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the city, you shouldn't either. This run
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a foul. This runs a foul of civil civil
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liberties in our society for freedom of
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speech, association, and protection from
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unlawful searches under the fourth
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amendment and relevant constitutional
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law in Rhode Island. Protect us. The
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council has failed to uphold these
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American core values by allowing flock
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to proceed. But it's not too late. You
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can terminate the flock contract and
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require the devices to be dismantled
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starting today.
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That's what you should do. And you
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should go back to the ACL's letter,
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ACLU's letter that you were sent in 2021
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for those of you who were on the board
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and refresh yourself on that and look at
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the recent events and see if those
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warnings actually have come true.
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The second and the final response I'll
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rebut is that block is used for violent
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crimes and these are things we all want
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to prevent and enforce in our society.
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That may be true, but it shouldn't get
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in the way of our civil liberties. As
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discussed in my letter this summer, a
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New Bedford police officer made flock
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inquiries of their ex-girlfriend more
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than 200 times. 200 inquiries on a
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private citizen who they had no basis be
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following. That was a personal matter.
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And so I'm sure there are many other
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matters. Potentially the police
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department doesn't like a politician and
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wants to track their whereabouts. There could be many others and we won't
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know about them because they haven't
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come to light. It only came to light
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there because the ex-girlfriend filed a
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restraining order. Shouldn't have to
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come to a domestic abuse restraining
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order to realize that this is a power
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that should not be wielded.
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Um I just want to conclude um by saying
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that as as you've probably seen,
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Governor McKe is stopping all new FLOP
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systems in the state for a period of 60
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days in order to develop policies and
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procedures that would be implemented
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statewide, at least for the state
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systems. Um, once those policies come
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out, this council will have ample
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opportunity with, I hope, appropriate
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and long periods of public input to
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reinstate the block cameras. If you so
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choose, you can look at the state
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policies, you can approve upon them, but
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you need to get public input, I would
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submit, before reinstating these
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systems. Um for now what is clear is
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that the AOPR and other simpl systems
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should not be operating in defective
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which means terminating the contract and
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importantly removing the equipment
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because if you terminated the equipment
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stays flock will continue to gather data
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on their own. So do both.
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The residents of Lincoln, Naragansen,
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North Kingtown, South Kingtown, Tton,
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and Gloucester based upon the decisions
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of their town councils recently or
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police departments themselves to revoke
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block contracts in their cities. If
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those citizens deserve this freedom from
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this invasive, continuous and
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indiscriminate surveillance, then the
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residents of Pucket deserve the same. I
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ask you to start taking action today.
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Thank you.
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» We have one additional sign up for that.
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Dr.
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>> Yes, that's correct. Second.
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» Hello. Can you hear me? Okay.
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>> You can now. Yes, sir. You just speak
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your name and your address for us,
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please.
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>> Sure. My name is Quentyn McMullen. My
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address is 40 Capwell Avenue.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Uh I would also uh speak to the same
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concerns as the prior gentleman, though
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not nearly as eloquently. Uh I'm also
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very concerned about the use of flock
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cameras in Pucket. I mean, this is
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obviously and truly uh mass government
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surveillance at a a scale we haven't
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seen before these ALPRs. Um, also happy
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to see Rhode Island towns uh cancelling
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their flock contracts and taking down uh
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their flock cameras in response to the
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concerns of their citizens. Um, for now
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I just actually had I've got four
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questions and maybe I should submit
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these in writing. I don't know if it's
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appropriate to ask or to be answered,
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but the four questions I have on my mind
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for you all as I'm learning more about
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the flock cameras and the process. The
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four questions are one,
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was there ever a city council vote to
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approve Flock cameras?
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Two, has the city council reviewed
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Pucket's contract with Flock?
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Three, do ICE or other federal
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authorities have access to data from
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Pucket's Fog cameras?
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And four, has the city, either the city
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council or the police, ever done an
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audit of Flock's data security and data
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access requests they've received and
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data access requests they have granted.
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So, I don't know if you could tell me if
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it's appropriate to look for an answer
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in this meeting or if I should submit
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those questions in writing. But then in
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my learning about how this works within
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Pucket and what the process was, those
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are the four main questions on my mind
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today.
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>> Okay. Thank you.
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>> No, you're right. It's it's not an
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appropriate forum for them to ask
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another question, but it looks to me
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like the clerk just wrote down all four
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questions. Was that correct?
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>> Well, three and a half
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>> three and a half question. Uh
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>> I don't have because this topic is not
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on our agenda. We're not able to address
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it or send letters or do anything of
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that nature.
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uh and we wouldn't be able to answer
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your questions either had you been
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there. However, the clerk does have
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three and a half questions written down.
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What's the what's the question we don't
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have?
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>> The last one.
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>> What was the last question, sir?
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>> Sure. Thank you. Has a city, meaning the
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city council or the police ever done an
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audit of Flock's data security and data
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access? So times like uh h how do we
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know that flock isn't providing access
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to of our
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surveillance photos to uh federal
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authorities?
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>> We we will look into that um between now
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and the next.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Is that it, sir?
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>> That's it from me. Like I said, not as
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eloquent as the previous gentleman, but
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I agree with all of his points.
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Thank you sir. Um with that we are on to
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the board of license commission.
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» President Mercer
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>> here.
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>> Dr. Roujo
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>> here.
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>> Dr. God
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>> here.
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>> Dr. Greger
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>> here.
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>> Dr. Moran. Dr. Moreno. here.
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>> Dr. Rubio
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>> here.
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>> Kovette, council
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>> here. Seven in attendance.
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>> Mr. President, I call for approval of
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the previous minutes from August 5th,
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2026.
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>> Move by council second by councelor
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that approve given to the minute
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from the August 5th, 2020 meeting. Are
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there any relation? Hearing? None. All
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in favor? I motion carries. I I call for
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approval of item number two, the consent
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agenda and item number three, the
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petitions for licenses. Starting with
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entertainment from petition from
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Blackstone Valley Tourism Council for a
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license to conduct dragon boat festival
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at festival here uh all the way to the
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second page uh under waste callers
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renewal. The last one is ocean state
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disposal incorporated at 23 city view
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circle north island. Motion is to
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approve.
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>> Move by constant by approving given two
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and three to conser
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favor.
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>> I before is a petition for license
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entertainment and class F1 full
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privilege. A petition of Latinos United
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Rhode Island for a license to conduct a
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Guatemalan festival in 2026 and to sell
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alcohol beverages at 354 Pine Street in
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the parking lot on Saturday, September
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12th, 2026 from 10:00 a.m. until 10:00
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p.m. with a rain date of September 13th,
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2026 from 10:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m.
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License number is-26-70.
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Motion to approve.
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» Council Rubio council Rubio
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license from entertainment class F1 full
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privilege of United
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in Rhode Island for license to conduct
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island festival 2026 and to sell
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alcoholic beverages at 25 P Street in
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the parking lot on Saturday, September
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12th, 2026 from 10 a.m. until 10 p.m.
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with the rain of the following day. from
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10 a.m. to 900 p.m. Place of EVP-26-70.
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The motion is for approval. Um I will
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just say that uh both this item and the
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next item I spoke with the council the
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district council is on who I believe the
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one is here. They're both in favor of
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approval of each of these successive
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licenses. So with that um any other
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discussion on item four.
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>> All in favor? Motion carried.
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>> Okay. Item number five, petition for
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license entertainment and expansion of
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premise one day. a petition of zona 7
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for license to have a mntaka poorco pig
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festival uh indoors and outdoors and for
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a one-day expansion of the class BBOa
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license and to serve food and alcohol
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and beverages at 682 Roseville Avenue
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parking lot on Saturday August 29th 2026
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from 4 p.m. until 10 p.m. That license
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number is EDT-26-74
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with the previous stipulation still in
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place of no glass used outside only
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plastic and outside cleaned up by 10:00
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a.m. the next day. My motion is to
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approve. I moved by councelor Rudo,
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second by councelor Moreno that a
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petition for license for entertainment
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expansion of premise for one day seven
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for the license
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pig festival indoors and outdoors within
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one day
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in the parking lot Saturday
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until 10 p.m. life-26-74.
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It would carry the same stipulations uh
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as the previous event as articulated by
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councelor Roujo. Any discussion? I have
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a motion to approve. All in favor? I
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motion carries.
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>> More business coming before the
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protective board of license
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commissioners. I make a motion that we
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adjourn and reconvene as the protective
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city council.
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>> Move by council by council that we
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adjourn as protective board of license
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commissioners and conven city council
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before I stand and join us in the pled
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of allegiance. Started by council
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to the flag United States of America and
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to the republic for which it stands. One
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nation under God, indivisible, with
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liberty and justice for all
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the city council come
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actually
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the rules. Um if there's anybody here
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for a licensing issue all been approved.
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So, we're done with that. You're free to
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go or you're free to stay. Okay.
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» President Mercer
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>> here.
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>> Councilor Roujo
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>> here. Kodair
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>> here.
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>> Council Gregor
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>> here.
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>> Moran. Councelor Moreno
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>> here.
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>> Rubio
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>> here.
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>> Scoiet. Council Wilder
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>> here.
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>> Seven and a 10. I call for approval of
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item number one which is the previous
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minutes of August 5th, 2026 of the
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committee on claims and pending suits
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and of the city council. Moved by
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councelor back approv given to the
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minutes of the August 5th 2026 meetings
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of the committee on claim independent
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suits and the city council. Any
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discussion, amendments, deletions,
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concerns hearing none. All in favor?
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Motion carried. I call for approval of
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item number two which is the consent
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agenda and correspondence.
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>> Moved by council second by councelor Kia
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approving given the item two the consent
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agenda and correspondence. Are there any
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items on the correspondence agenda that
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the members would like to take up
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separately? To my right, I see council
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rubio.
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>> B.
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Anybody else?
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Okay. In that case, with the exception
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of me, all in favor? Motion carries.
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Counc.
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Um item B is just a communication from
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myself to the administration
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um in regards to the Elijah project um
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down and the downtown gateway
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development. Um as we continue this
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development, I thought it was important
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to have those conversations if they
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haven't already been done. Um, so I sent
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the correspondence to the administration
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to see if there's any talks of where we
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could help support them in their
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relocating. Um, because they're so
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important to our community. I just want
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to make sure that they're supported that
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we find a space hopefully here in Pucket
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so that they continue their work. And
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that's that.
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>> Thank you, councelor.
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>> Tracy's working on a response.
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>> Thank you.
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>> That brings us to item three.
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Item number three is a communication
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from Andrew Mcnot, supervisor resolution
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design energy to the honorable members
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of the Puga City Council, submitting a
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petition for installation of a new pole
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at George Street to approve pending
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approval from the director of public
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works and make a motion to file the
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communication. Moved by council second
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by council council moreno that a
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communication from Andrew McNook with
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supervising distribution design for
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island energy. The honorable member of
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city council submitting a petition for
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installation of a new pole at George
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Street to be approved pending the
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approval of the director of public
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works. A motion of communication is any
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discussion on fire. All in favor? Motion
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>> carried.
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Four.
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» Which one do you guys mention? These are
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the very rare instances where there are
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appointments by charter to be made by
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the the council president. So, uh, item
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four is an appointment by council
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president Mer of Amber Ree McGee to the
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pension board to return a term that
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expired the first Monday in January of
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2028.
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Not sure if it's required as a roll
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call. It's just an appointment or
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>> I mean for a roll call vote, but
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>> we normally have done a roll call vote
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>> and actually
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if you need somebody make a motion.
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>> It's an appointment by me. So, I think
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it's it's okay. So, it's it's it's as
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articulated an appointment. Is there any
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discussion on that appointment?
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And
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uh so it'll be it'll be moved with a
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question of roll call.
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» President Mercer.
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>> Yes.
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>> Councelor Roujo.
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>> Yes.
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>> Counc.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Gregor.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Moreno.
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>> Yes.
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>> Councor Rubio.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Wen.
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>> Yes.
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>> Seven is zero.
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Item five is a reappointment by the
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council of president to of Agua Delorgo
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to the arts panel review committee for a
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term to expire of first uh June 1st of
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2049 and Dr. But I will take you up on
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the offer to make a motion just so we're
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aware where
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>> so uh make a motion to uh as as you
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articulated to approve second move by
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council a second by council move that
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approved and given a roll call bullet
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there any discussion
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clerk clerk roll.
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>> President Mercer.
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>> Yes.
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>> Councelor Rujo.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Kodair.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Gregorus.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Moreno.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Rubio.
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>> Yes.
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>> Council Wenh.
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>> Yes. Seven to zero.
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>> Number six is a communication from
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Michael Troy, president of the Fraternal
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Order of Police Lodge number four to his
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honor mayor Donald Drevium appointing
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the BCI detective Mark Reos to serve as
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a retired member of the police
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department on the pension board for
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confirmation. I call for a roll call
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vote and moved by council second by
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council recordation
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showc
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any discussion.
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>> President Mers
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>> yes
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>> Dr. Roujo
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>> yes
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>> Dr. Kier
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>> yes
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>> Dr. Gregor,
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>> yes.
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>> Council Moreno,
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>> yes.
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>> Dr. Rubio,
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>> yes.
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>> Council Weren,
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>> yes.
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>> Seven to zero.
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>> No further business. Kentucky City
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Council. I'll make a motion to adjurnn.
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>> My second
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city council. All in favor? My nose.