[0:00] We're going to go ahead and get started. Madam Clerk, roll call. Council President Wiggins, Council Vice President Jones, Council Member Baird, Council Member Baird, Council Member Baird, Council Member Moore, Council Member Pant, here.

[0:18] I want

[0:23] to welcome you to the October 26th, 2023 City Council meeting as we begin our meeting.

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[1:05] At this time I invite you to stand for a moment of silence and a pledge of allegiance by councilwoman.

[1:23] Thank you.

[1:24] I'd do allegiance to the five of the United States of America, just as a republic, for which I think it's one wish, and in the visible order if you just are all.

[1:38] Thank you.

[1:42] At this time we don't have any wars that we're going to move right into the first liberal board form.

[1:47] The Leeroboy form is designed by rules to last 30 minutes unless the rules away.

[1:54] Those who fall outside 30 minutes time will be moved to the second Leeroboy form at the end of the meeting.

[2:00] The Leeroboy form is a time for citizens to relate information or request information on items or subjects not on this agenda.

[2:12] Our first speaker is Stan McDaniel.

[2:22] Hey, good morning.

[2:23] All right, good evening. I'm sorry I've been working third shifts. It's a little bit

[2:27] Skid just a little bit off you know

[2:30] We recently had the

[2:33] Terrace attack on any as Pensacola and FBI did a report on that turns out 15 out of 17 Saudi people that were here were in the child porn

[2:44] It's kind of interesting little fact there and you know those

[2:48] diplomatic community, people have more rights than I do here as an American, on my own soil.

[2:56] Now it's pretty terrible place to be an American.

[3:00] Know that you re-empercecute just for being a man.

[3:04] So anyways, I've got this website here, TacticalCifix.com.

[3:10] It's a way we the people can stand up and against these governments and create our own

[3:15] form of government and create citizen grandjuries, you know, and it really makes some changes in

[3:22] our country. So let's get to see you. May I? Mayor? Yeah, do you have to worry about fitting

[3:30] all in your cocaine? Mr. McDaniel. Director. Thank you.

[3:38] Thank you. All right, say no other speakers.

[3:44] Now we're going to move out to the approval of the minutes.

[3:47] Item number one is two three dash zero zero eight one seven.

[3:51] Approval minutes will regular meeting date of October 12, 2023.

[3:57] Are there any of emissions or corrections, any of the motion in the second?

[4:08] We've got a motion in the second, please go.

[4:22] Council President, if you'll give us just a second.

[4:37] Now pass the 7 to 0, and now we'll move it down to the approval of the agenda.

[4:43] I should have done

[4:53] it in the motion in a second for that.

[5:05] Please vote.

[5:15] And pass the 70-0, move it down to the consent agenda. Item number 2 is 23-00784, amendment to the

[5:26] interlocal agreement with the scavenger county housing finance authority. Item number 3 is 23-00793. Approval

[5:35] of utility work by highway contract agreement number 426935-256-02, with the state of Florida,

[5:44] The problem of transportation, FDAP, or construction of stone water piping across any

[5:49] highway, at its intersection with Langley Avenue.

[5:54] Item number four is two three dash zero zero seven five nine, proposed revision, court

[6:00] tariff number five A, item number five is two three dash zero zero seven five two, community

[6:08] development block grant agreement for service with Council on Aging, Aging, a wish law to

[6:14] ink. Item number six is two three dashed zero zero seven seven seven. Discretion

[6:21] every funding allocation city council president to learn your wiggins district seven. Item number

[6:27] seven is two three dashed zero zero seven eight one. Discretion every funding allocation city council

[6:32] number jerry more district four. Item number eight is two three dash zero zero seven nine six discretion

[6:40] every funding allocation city council member tini out a broken district five. Item number nine is

[6:47] two three dash zero zero seven nine seven discretion every funding allocation city council member

[6:53] Center for Breyer District 1, the Emotion and Second for that,

[7:02] and that is past 7-0.

[7:07] Moving down to the regular agenda, item number 10 is 2-3-0-719, request for license to use L-2U

[7:18] right away of 801 East Gregory Street.

[7:22] It is the recommendation that City Council consider the request for the license to use right

[7:27] the way for improvements at 801 East Gregory Street.

[7:33] I need a motion in a second.

[7:40] Second.

[7:42] Second.

[7:42] Mary?

[7:43] Yeah, just, I know we had a lot of conversation about this on Monday.

[7:46] Just to let you know, we do have folks from carry out here as well as residents from the planning department to ask any other questions or concerns that have come up with some Monday.

[8:00] there's they do know our staff provided in some of the LTO things that we've been putting together.

[8:05] I think there's been said to you since the agenda conference has requested so if you haven't gotten this, let us know.

[8:13] Would you let's will y'all

[8:17] want to see Williams?

[8:23] Council members.

[8:24] I'm here.

[8:25] I have provided some information.

[8:27] First of all, I'm George Williams.

[8:28] 1061 Stormy Terrace.

[8:30] I live in Pennsylvania.

[8:32] I'm all offices at 720 Bayfront Parkway which is immediately adjacent for this property.

[8:37] been in an office and owned that property for 18 years and have been a resident and an

[8:42] local architect for 36 years. And three things that I would like to say relative to this

[8:48] development. First of all, not counting the theory. I mean, if I were to develop, I think it's a

[8:54] wonderful project. There's three things I would like to say though, and they either directly or

[8:59] indirectly relate to the aspect of leasing the parking on the public right of work. Number one is

[9:05] the truth. Number two, keep the dumpster the Hickiver access on the property. Let's not force

[9:14] the city to maintain a street that is being utilized with a heavy traffic geometry to access a dumpster

[9:23] and one of the parking spaces they wish to lease literally sits in front of the dumpster access.

[9:29] So I don't know how they're going to manage that timing, but I'm sure they've got a plan for that.

[9:33] And number three is the exercise caution on the placement of the drive relative to Gregory

[9:40] Street in 13th.

[9:43] There, that intersection now, I don't have the information from the police department that

[9:47] I know from resigning there, but from working there for the last 18 years, that is a heavy

[9:53] traffic accident area with a removal of the traffic signal at 17th.

[10:00] And the only traffic signal between guplarees and the interstate is now in guplarees. And so that

[10:07] is becomes a very heavily traveled and sure the city's got some plan to try to slow some of

[10:13] this traffic down on Gregory. But currently, and if you look at the side plan and I'd sit on

[10:19] the council members from information, some graphics to represent that. If there's two cars,

[10:28] if there

[10:29] blocks the hotel's entrance off of 13, which means that someone

[10:34] exiting 13 to get into the hotel is going to stall there and wait for that 13th traffic

[10:40] to clear and the second car trying to get into the hotel is going to be exposed

[10:45] in Gregory Street to be rearranging, which was just as occurred in a number of times.

[10:50] I know that there's a sign there for another broken egg restaurant, it's been literally

[10:55] taking out twice for similar accidents with no hotel.

[10:59] So introducing, you know, 132 hotel rooms in that intersection.

[11:04] I think there's much more consideration that has been given thus far.

[11:09] I've got some graphics here I would like to hand out if I could to the council to show an

[11:16] alternate layout to, so that it can be done to relocate the dumpster to provide the dumpster

[11:24] access on their properties at that time?

[11:30] Yes sir.

[11:31] If you want to pass those to Mr. Crayer here and make sure that we get a copy of it.

[11:36] Thanks.

[11:38] Thank you.

[11:39] Council on the break.

[11:40] Can I just ask you a couple questions here?

[11:43] Yes sir.

[11:44] So there have been a way of multiple

[11:48] Rex and that intersection said no absolutely yes, and then the trees always hurts my ears

[11:55] Right, so I did see the picture

[11:58] He's in and that corner is completely buffered in oats. Yes, yes, and it's even though I don't

[12:08] The wallpaper has bite of presentation to find a board on the

[12:11] Sheldon of those slides to my but two of their slides

[12:14] And put exhibit tremendously, those trees of beautiful oak trees.

[12:19] There's one big oak trees, and then there's a cluster of multi-trumpets of both of these

[12:24] are there where they plan on putting the dumpster and both would have to be removed for

[12:28] that dumpster to be placed there.

[12:30] And I said, what I've offered you tonight is an alternate location for that to save these

[12:35] trees.

[12:36] It does not induce their parking, it's usually around 3 to 432 parking spaces, which they

[12:41] to the planning board was mandatory, to make their model business model work, so we're not

[12:46] asking them to do anything to alter that, for just asking them to give a little bit better

[12:51] consideration to site planning, and I will defer to the city and the traffic relative to that

[12:57] traffic intersection and the traffic killing and what they are may not be done there.

[13:02] And your offering here still has the street parking, still has the...

[13:08] Well, again,

[13:11] there's two of those locations that are neatly adjacent to the Gregor Street Driveway.

[13:17] If you look at that diagram, we set in the email, there has some VHS two cars in the queue there.

[13:24] And I think, and there are two parking spaces between the driveway and the third thing.

[13:29] and literally getting in and out of those places is really impossible.

[13:34] And we encounter more paper, you know,

[13:37] I'm an architect, I understand sometimes we do things

[13:39] to count cards that are not really practical,

[13:43] but it's in the code,

[13:45] but I also know that there's things in the code that exempt

[13:47] them from having to have 132 cards.

[13:51] I don't have a strong opinion as to whether or not

[13:54] you release them that property, I prefer you not,

[13:57] As a citizen, you know, it's there, there's a restaurant there, there's a restaurant across the street, there's another restaurant diagrams to that.

[14:08] Immediately, Jason Tarp property is in the courtyard hotel.

[14:15] I know that they've got the same criteria for parking, winter, winter space per room.

[14:19] They're part of a lot of sell them ever for and my fact up in their 18 years on if I've ever seen it

[14:25] So I know you know business models have to work

[14:29] But I also know the real world and a hotel never has a hundred percent occupancy a hundred percent of the time

[14:35] So somewhere here, they've got to be a happy solution

[14:39] my interest again is the trees

[14:43] and traffic and

[14:45] getting that dumpster

[14:46] access off of the street and into their parking lot just like the other hotels in town have done.

[14:55] Thank you.

[14:57] Council on the rough.

[14:58] Thank you.

[14:59] I miss.

[15:00] The gentleman from the company, not you, not you, not me, okay. Thank you.

[15:22] How are you doing?

[15:23] Well, I was there by doing it.

[15:25] Oh, well, thank you.

[15:26] I'm a client hearing, President Carriott Corporation, where the owners of the property and the proposed

[15:32] developers of the Hill of the Home of Twites.

[15:34] Right.

[15:35] I wanted to ask you, did you hear his the citizen concerns?

[15:39] I did.

[15:40] Is this your first time hearing it, or did you get to speak with him earlier?

[15:43] It's the first time I've heard it in the version that I've just heard, I've just heard pieces of some of the things that he's brought up.

[15:52] Well, I had planned to support it tonight, but now that I hear this, I am concerned, I don't want to go to it down.

[15:59] I definitely don't want to do that, so I was just wondering what we could do, what kind of compromise could be made.

[16:05] But you're saying you never have to see him.

[16:08] Well, I've heard it, and so let me comment on the numbers to the traffic issue on 13th.

[16:16] They're with intention.

[16:17] There are three locations for the development.

[16:20] You have 14th Street.

[16:21] You have 13th and you can go down east and you're on to access the street.

[16:25] And so it's not as if all the ingress and egress out of that location is going to happen at 13th.

[16:31] And so I don't think there's validity in this queuing argument, simply because I'm not saying that

[16:38] everything has parking ramifications, but they're all carnivis to those locations.

[16:44] And we did the development, we looked at the study of the way people would believe we'll come to the hotel in the beginning.

[16:49] And the majority of them we believe we're going to go 14th Avenue because they'll go down play for them when they get off about 110, come to the site.

[16:56] been hit in the north on 14th and turning into development on 14th as opposed to 13th.

[17:02] It's not to say that some people might accidentally pass the entrance that's on 14th

[17:06] be highly uncommon, but they could.

[17:09] And as to the exit side, those people that on the exit to 13th would be queuing in our own park and lot,

[17:15] so we don't believe that that queuing is valid there.

[17:19] As a relates to the refuge enclosure, it's a completely different design than people are accustomed

[17:26] And I found out about this, I have something I can hand you out that shows you, it's not a classic dumpster enclosure, like you see in most locations.

[17:36] It's actually building with a roll-up door.

[17:39] I'm happy to share those with you so everybody can see that.

[17:47] This is an example of the way that we approach these.

[18:01] This shows you the aesthetic nature of what we do on enclosures.

[18:06] And to further that, it's a compactor unit.

[18:10] And so the amount of frequency that comes to the refuge enclosure is way less than a normal

[18:16] dumpster enclosure. And you won't have that turning radius issue that they're discussing

[18:20] because the way we designed it, you come straight to the unit, you pick up the compactor,

[18:25] you turn left or you're stealing on. And we did have him and the pavement within our development.

[18:30] So that the truck can go straight through our parking area and back and not have to make those three

[18:35] in terms that he was referring to.

[18:37] Okay.

[18:38] Ask him to tree issue, we're more than happy

[18:42] to look at whatever he submitted to us.

[18:45] And if we're able to maintain what we're as stated,

[18:48] if we're able to maintain,

[18:49] or he stated that we could keep the parking

[18:51] and we have, by his design,

[18:53] we're happy to look at that.

[18:54] If there's a way for us to execute

[18:56] what he's proposing and maintain the parking

[18:58] and we have we're more than happy

[18:59] to address looking at that.

[19:01] So to talk, I can't believe I'd had this information

[19:04] prior I've been happy to look at it and address it at that point time I just

[19:08] was not able to do so because I've wouldn't provide the information.

[19:12] Okay, well that's not only questions for now, maybe somebody else has a question.

[19:16] Do you have your presentation, do you want to go ahead and go through it?

[19:20] Yes, sir.

[19:20] Thank you.

[19:22] One thing I wanted to bring up, let me give you a little bit of history because we came

[19:26] here in contracted purchase, the property, time visit on that property, even the hit

[19:30] been of proposed condominium high-rise project years ago, maybe the condominium high-rise project

[19:37] never occurred. So we contracted to purchase the property and when we did, we dealt with

[19:41] the city and looking at that and so I know that there was some concern, what did you start

[19:47] the project with the utilization of the LTU and the answer to that question is no, when we came

[19:52] here, we observed what was going on in the city, we immediately saw that 13th Avenue was being utilized

[19:57] by another broken egg.

[19:59] Four parts.

[20:00] So we ask the city, what's the policy, and that's where we learn about ALTU youths. And we're a team player as a developer. We love Pensacola, the Pensacola is a great market. And we're mixed use in field developers. There's done a lot of this type of development, even beyond hospitality. And so we hope that we're a really good instigator for each other. And everything that wants to have with each other is that part of the town to use redevelopment.

[20:28] So within that process, we learned about the LTU, so we cataloged it away as a potential, and then we did the math on the LTU, and effectively what would end up happening is, if we reduce the number of hotel rooms, the reality of it is, the city loses about $5 million in the tax roll, going from $132 to $115 to $115.

[20:50] if we could make a 115 pencil, and then you would lose about another million dollars a year

[20:56] of potential, whatever your cut at the city is, of that tax sales tax revenue, and hospitality

[21:01] revenue for the reduction in rooms.

[21:04] So we view, Pensacola is having a finite land resource, all cities do, and it makes a lot

[21:10] of sense to us that it's a public private cooperation for this purpose and it's really a

[21:16] win-win for everybody when you start looking at the economics of it.

[21:19] So, it's not as if we came to town and said, hey, we've got a smaller piece of property than we wish we had.

[21:24] We want to pick up the parking.

[21:26] We felt that we were being really responsible and been a wise,

[21:31] steward with the city to take the resources there and use it for what is being unused more today.

[21:38] And then we've talked with neighbors, I have an email from another broken egg,

[21:42] and I think I think we're honest here to speak on behalf of it.

[21:45] We've already started and did a cooperation dialogue about what happens

[21:49] I'm parking because it's a known fact that he's got peak demands at times and so that that

[21:54] dialogue and that cooperation is already going on.

[21:58] I've brought slides because I thought maybe some of you may not have seen because it hasn't

[22:02] gone.

[22:02] We did the early architecture review and we're approved there and then we've got the other one

[22:07] coming in November so I just thought that maybe some of you may not have seen actually what

[22:12] we're developing so we brought those slides and then the last slide that's there, that's

[22:18] the other one was East Gregory, and the last slide in the package shows you the site plan

[22:24] with the LTE labelled in that lighter green color.

[22:28] We've actually improved in East eLeon's stream.

[22:31] We're spending right at $257,000 of our own money to improve the right way so that it can be parked

[22:37] on at proper standards for parking.

[22:40] And so you can see that our investment in this LTE parking is significant.

[22:46] and easily on right now is sort of relatively in disrepair.

[22:50] It's a relatively, it's not terrible, but it's in disrepair.

[22:52] So we're going in there and making all those improvements

[22:55] and improving the capacity for people for paper and stuff,

[22:59] at the beginning that we believe to sit in.

[23:01] So that's the project.

[23:05] We're team players.

[23:07] We're a known quantity in the development business.

[23:09] And so we want to do everything we can to cooperate

[23:11] to include it if it's possible to do with the gentleman

[23:14] his architect stated when I see that would be more

[23:17] happy to discuss if we can accomplish that or not.

[23:20] I happen to have to answer any other questions

[23:22] if anybody has.

[23:23] Councillor Bairn.

[23:24] Thank you, Mr. President.

[23:25] Just a few questions.

[23:27] So look at the diagram.

[23:29] And look at what's currently exists as far as parking.

[23:32] I'm looking at the graphic that we got today.

[23:35] I thought it was kind of late to get something.

[23:38] But it shows those two parking space

[23:40] with Mr. Williams reference.

[23:41] And they're definitely closer to the road to Gregory than the two, than the current existing parking areas.

[23:47] There's a parking, I guess we're broken-aid parks on the property that you all own or will develop.

[23:56] It's further away from Gregory where it starts, the actual paved part.

[24:00] So this is actually closer to the sidewalk closer to the road.

[24:02] And I guess I share some concerns about up there on those two,

[24:06] they're closest to Gregory about just the access

[24:10] in and out of there.

[24:11] It's so close to the stop line and everything

[24:13] for the stop sign there.

[24:15] And I know at times broken egg gets crazy in there.

[24:18] And the way their flow of traffic is,

[24:20] it's one way around there, but it's pretty much coming out.

[24:23] You can go out on the Gregory, which a lot of them

[24:25] come out to 13th there.

[24:28] Now, you mentioned that dealing on.

[24:32] So you're expecting that people will use dealing on to do what?

[24:36] because it doesn't open to anything other than 13th at this point.

[24:40] It's, we have a sidewalk that we're building, and we have steps, so patrons of the hotel

[24:46] can use the parallel parking that we're building on, and it's parking from the hotel.

[24:52] Okay, so, but as far as access to your property, they're either going to have to come 13th to 14th,

[24:56] because daily owned does not open anywhere.

[24:59] Correct, but my-

[25:00] I want to point in discussion about traffic issues. If you were to come out on 13th and there was a discussion about the queuing issue, wavelength, and Gregory, to have to turn into where the hotel is, not so, they can continue suddenly on 13th, turn, turn, Easterly, down, Easterly, on and come straight on into the hotel.

[25:20] So, come all the way around the hotel to get to the front. He said, April, I do that.

[25:24] Yeah, there was a couping problem, yes.

[25:26] OK, I don't know if that's

[25:27] got to think they're going to sit down and wait.

[25:29] I definitely have issue with those two particular.

[25:32] Why no access from your parking lot to Gregory?

[25:36] Is that just something you just chose not to do?

[25:39] Yeah, we obviously thought it was the best city planning

[25:41] methods to try to make sure that you didn't

[25:44] since you don't have a turn-light on Gregory.

[25:47] You weren't taking that traffic because it

[25:49] relatively high speeds is already been mentioned.

[25:51] Right, and not have them turn in off of Gregory into the, into the, into the development.

[25:57] Okay, go to 13th and 14th and comment, Councilman, I remember, I actually, you said that this was late.

[26:04] I sent this to every council member on the 22nd and September.

[26:07] Okay, so this exact site plan was in your hand, everybody's hand is on the 22nd and September.

[26:10] I'm just not sure why we got it again today.

[26:12] I haven't, but yeah, I've looked at it.

[26:14] And then one other thing, so this will have to go.

[26:17] I mean, empty empty laughter of you this, too.

[26:20] You're ingress an e-grace, won't they?

[26:22] I can't.

[26:23] Yes, I believe that's case.

[26:25] Is that out?

[26:26] You said a true sight, but yes.

[26:27] OK.

[26:27] They're going to worry about free.

[26:30] They've improved those early.

[26:32] They've improved that.

[26:33] OK.

[26:35] That's all my questions I have right now.

[26:37] OK.

[26:37] Councilor James?

[26:38] Thank you.

[26:39] Yes.

[26:40] Just thinking about the ingress and e-grace

[26:42] also off Gregory's well.

[26:44] And then thinking back to when we had the guy.

[26:47] I've opened the Damien's place on 9th Avenue.

[26:50] F.D. did not want M.D. to have an interest on 9th Avenue, probably the same thing here,

[26:54] because of the high-speed traffic, so I mentioned a couple of concerns that I have with you

[27:03] with marketing, there are such things,

[27:06] but right now I do think the only thing that we

[27:09] are voting on tonight is the L.T.U., so all the other stuff, really, we can't even consider

[27:16] I'm thinking, and though you know that, it still has to go to the planning board for the rest of the approval of the plans,

[27:25] so I'm okay with the LTOs, I think that the investment that you're making in our city and the benefits that we're going to see from it, more than more than pay for that.

[27:37] Thank you. I'm supportive of it.

[27:38] Councilman Brake. So you made a comment. Good evening, Tarja. You made a comment that when you bought the property, you intended to go with that size. But then when you saw another broken egg, he is street parking that made you decide to up the ante.

[27:54] No, we just, when we consider, we, we, we're considering contracting to purchase the property.

[28:02] And so when we came to the city and looked at the side as a potential, we liked a lot of features of it.

[28:07] And we can't even, we liked the fact that we could be part of a redevelopment in East Gregory.

[28:11] When we began that early investigation, that's when, before we even saw the side.

[28:17] That's when we discovered that when we asked the question about you can look at the rendering right there and you see all the cars that are parked for another broken egg on the west side of 13th Street right there

[28:27] You see the light strip of green and all the cars parked in 13th Avenue right there

[28:32] We inquired what is the scenario here that appears to be on street parking now the reason that we're so familiar that we've done a lot of, you know

[28:41] mixed use type development that has public private cooperation and and

[28:45] uses this type of parking and so we inquired with the city, what's the status and how is it if at that time when you was another

[28:53] broken egg, how is it another broken egg and choosing that?

[28:56] We'll say when we have an LTU policy and candidly I didn't even ask at that time where the not another broken egg had

[29:03] an LTU is if I've learned sense they don't even have an LTU on that parking but it's being utilized anyway

[29:08] and it was on-street parking and so then when we asked that said yes, we have a process where you can

[29:15] you can request an L.T.U. for parking, so we cataloged that thought process into our memory banks

[29:22] if you will for the utilization of the site and then began to look at the development of the site

[29:27] from that perspective. Now there's an issue there that everybody should be aware of is that when

[29:32] East-Eleon Street was East-Eleon before 14th and 13th was not 13th before 14th was modified as

[29:38] of the Bayfront, you know, Parkway improvements.

[29:43] Usually, the on-street used to go straight through and connect at that intersection.

[29:47] Well, there's an ECU-A main intercept, sewer intercept, I think it's an 18-inch sewer interceptor that goes through there.

[29:54] And the original condominium project that Tom Vizzle gave to us showed the relocation of that cemetery sewer.

[30:00] And so, and actually, they had, you see, U.A. had given them an approval to relocate the Santersu. They were unable to do so.

[30:07] I mean, they were, they got an approval for it, but we went back to the U.A., they had since changed their thought process.

[30:13] So, the Santersu, that's there, that was the old Santersu, and, uh, easily, on street, will maintain its stay there.

[30:20] It had some ramifications to our site plan, which was relocating the swimming pool and doing some of the other things that had to come out as a result of the,

[30:30] of the Center or Center Interceptor, and so we looked at the entire project as a whole and

[30:35] went ahead and made the decision that it was wise to utilize L.T.U. parking or proposed to

[30:41] use L.T.U. parking, and we also look at the economics and by the completely rational that

[30:47] is to the benefit of the city, to the U.L.I.S. L.T.U. and for the development and oftentimes

[30:53] what's good for the development should be good, not all developers do this, but what's

[30:57] for development should be good for cities and that's our position and so that's the way we

[31:01] looked at the site. So really what's hanging me up at this point is I just believe this

[31:05] should have been the late for us to get our ducks in order. We're only today reviewing getting a

[31:12] list of L to use and understanding what's going on there and so were you asked to delay this?

[31:19] actually wasn't asked to delay it. I was of understood that the you had a new parking policy that you're coming out with

[31:29] and that I could we can either do it now or wait for the new parking policy to come out

[31:34] but in all honesty, all we're doing is approving the use of a right away

[31:37] and we still have to go through the process of going through the L to U itself

[31:42] so we didn't see any merit behind waiting for anything

[31:46] But change is anything when you're already going to have an LTE agreement that we have to enter into.

[31:52] This really technically is just the approval of the right to use it right away.

[31:56] And the LTE agreement is going to be an agreement that we have to negotiate with the city.

[32:00] We're fully aware that we have to negotiate that LTE agreement with the city.

[32:04] And we're prepared to negotiate the LTE agreement with the city because we believe that the city

[32:17] to delaying what we're doing here tonight when we got the big principal part of this

[32:22] is to give us the agreement between us and the city.

[32:25] Okay, and then my next question here is, if we put in this LTE that it's good for one year

[32:30] and we can resend, you're still going to do this?

[32:34] That's, we've been to negotiate, I'm spending 250,000,000 off.

[32:37] No, I mean, but that's kind of the presentation we've had that we can resend this in any year

[32:43] And these are going to be year L to U.

[32:46] So are you going to be willing to do such thing?

[32:51] I mean, that's it.

[32:53] I'm just curious here because

[32:57] I'm willing to enter into any agreement

[33:01] that's reasonable between us and the city.

[33:03] And I don't want to speak to the finality of it,

[33:05] because all agreements have multiple terms to it.

[33:09] If we come away from the agreement, and I find

[33:13] reasonable to send the agreement, then we

[33:14] will proceed with your agreement.

[33:15] Sorry.

[33:18] Okay.

[33:18] That's it for now.

[33:20] Mary.

[33:22] Excuse me.

[33:22] And just should have said at the beginning, if I'm bolted out of here, we've got the legislative

[33:28] meeting over at the fiscal state, so no one offended me.

[33:32] I've talked about it last night, last night, abruptly, but a couple quick things to your

[33:38] question about what you're really asking is, what is the administrative policy going to be?

[33:43] And that's probably why I mean, they're not going to really be able to answer that.

[33:45] the administrative policy going to be on if we are going to start charging a more reasonable

[33:50] market rate for these spaces, which is what the direction of the administrative policy

[33:54] will be. With that, I would expect that developers and others that would be signing

[33:58] those out to use would expect some level of commitment. We have not had that conversation

[34:02] in the conversation that we've had to this point is because this has been going on and because

[34:07] this has crossed administrations and because this is the conversation that is already happening,

[34:11] We're willing to temporarily move forward with what has already been discussed, but as as I appreciate

[34:17] Has been put in writing is that we understand that a do a administrative policy is coming and we fully expect that with that will come

[34:25] New terms

[34:26] And so so I don't know that they would know nor have we finalized what that would look like whether it's a one year or two year

[34:35] And so I just want to be clear on that

[34:37] But I do appreciate that they're they are saying they're not coming in saying I want the deal that was already given to me

[34:45] Or for verbally given to me by the city in a previous administration

[34:48] They're saying we understand that priorities change and getting our house in order to they understand that and I do appreciate that

[34:55] We talked about really in generalities on Monday about trying to make

[35:00] Measure the difference between the revenue that could be generated by the project itself, versus getting into the weeds and conversation

[35:09] about 1,000 versus 10,000. So I went back and looked at that. So I believe, if you bought the property in 2020, I think, so it was about valued at 2 million, and you guys paid 33,679 dollars in tax on the vacant parcel for

[35:29] 2023 and 20,840 of that goes into the city or CRI, so that's just the vacant piece of property,

[35:38] valued about $2 million.

[35:41] And I want to make sure is this a $30 million project?

[35:45] With $28 million of improvements, I believe.

[35:49] I'm top of the $2 million property.

[35:51] So a good round rate when you start to estimate that would say 70% of the improvements

[35:56] that are spent end up being taxable.

[35:58] as we know, the price will wouldn't be 100%.

[36:03] So let's just say 70%.

[36:04] So my math would be, that means your tax bill

[36:07] when you're done is $339,000 in 237,300 of that

[36:12] goes to the CRA every year.

[36:15] So that's about a 10x increase.

[36:17] Obviously 10x increase improvement in the land.

[36:20] So that's just putting some numbers

[36:22] behind the general conversation we were having Monday

[36:24] is $5,000 per out to you, $10,000, whatever the terms that we agree on, that will be representative

[36:31] of the taxpayer to make sure that they're fair for that amount, as well as fair to

[36:35] develop for putting a quarter million dollars. In the grand scheme of things, we're talking

[36:39] about a quarter million dollars a year of tax going to our CRA, that every single year of this

[36:45] project. So I feel very confident that within the small sliver of this conversation, in the

[36:50] you that L to you that's going to be provided will be fair to the taxpayer as well as a

[36:56] microcosm of what is actually going to be generated here and why we appreciate development

[37:00] like this and certainly it's why I support this project so and that's again I don't have the

[37:07] numbers I don't know what you're expected taxable revenue is going to be but of course as you mentioned

[37:13] before just in the difference in rooms that gives no credence to the sales tax and the

[37:20] and also good at the city as well.

[37:22] Projective.

[37:22] Projective revenues, you're two, there's a $7,200,000,000 annually.

[37:27] All right, so whatever that sale section is, of course,

[37:29] per rat if you'd have to get 80 up here to do that quick math.

[37:33] But anyway, I just wanted to put some numbers

[37:35] and illustrate what we're talking about

[37:36] in terms of the investment here as well.

[37:38] So thank you.

[37:39] Councilwoman Pet.

[37:41] Thank you, Mr. President.

[37:43] Thank you, Mr. Herring, for being here.

[37:45] I too support this project.

[37:48] And I think that area of Gregory is right for redevelopment.

[37:54] I am happy to see that particular area purchased and now being turned into something that

[38:03] is going to generate significant revenue for our city.

[38:07] And that is going to be a good project for our community.

[38:12] That is my strong belief.

[38:15] I do understand the issues as it relates to ingress and egress.

[38:20] I think some of the design has to do with some of the challenges of the property.

[38:26] And so I would love to see a very, very safe design with no possibility for any sort of accidents to happen.

[38:36] at least, you know, based on the design.

[38:39] But frankly, this street is what it is.

[38:42] It's a very, very wide and high speeds are typical, you know, typical.

[38:50] So I think really what we ought to be doing is trying to address that

[38:54] and make sure that we are working on how to slow down traffic

[38:59] and allow for pedestrian crossing, allow for better overall development of this street.

[39:06] And so I've talked to David Fortay about this, and I know the state has looking at plans to try to do something.

[39:15] I don't think it's gone as well as we had hoped, but we're working on that.

[39:20] So what I don't want to do is lose a good project because we've got another problem that we need to address,

[39:26] which is the speed of cars on Chase Street.

[39:29] and the fact that there is no stop, light, stop sign between

[39:34] golf, breeze, and the intersection at night, the avenue.

[39:38] So I would love to see as much thought given to trying to do the best job,

[39:45] you can to keep the traffic in flow and outflow is safe as possible.

[39:51] I would like to see if we can a way to save those two oaks.

[39:56] I think that if there is a design that would actually allow us to do that.

[40:00] Then I'd very much like you to consider it and sounds like you're very willing to do that.

[40:05] I think you've made every effort to try and work with the city.

[40:11] I did watch the ARB meeting at the time when you were here in town.

[40:16] And I know we met the day after. And I've found you nothing but trying to do the right thing and trying to cooperate.

[40:23] So that's the kind of developer I want. You're going to be, you know, there's always challenges.

[40:29] and I think we need to try to work through them as best we can, but I'm supportive of the project

[40:34] as far as the LTEU is concerned, which is really what we're here to talk about tonight.

[40:41] Philosophically, I think we need to get out of the business of giving away our parking spaces,

[40:47] very precious parking spaces downtown.

[40:50] And so I do have a view on that.

[40:53] However, this is not downtown, this is a relatively undeveloped area for us,

[40:57] with large parking swaths of parking lots, you know, all over the street, and I do believe

[41:03] that over time, as this is developed, you know, this will hopefully become an area that

[41:09] has a lot more shared parking, and we can, you know, turn this into something, this area into

[41:14] something that's really good for our city. I think the developer has agreed to work with right

[41:21] not really the only other business impacted by this, which is for

[41:24] Ocanag.

[41:25] I've met with the owner of Ocanag.

[41:30] And I think, you know, he's in favor of this project.

[41:32] And it's really just a matter of trying to work through how they can both

[41:36] be successful.

[41:37] They have the parking they need.

[41:39] So I encourage everyone to just think about what a win

[41:43] and something like this is for our city.

[41:45] And I'm definitely supporting it tonight.

[41:48] Thank you.

[41:49] Thank you, Mr. President.

[41:52] Just one quick question and add a question from Ms. Morris.

[41:55] So, the 250,000 go to spend to do the improvements.

[41:59] Does that include the sidewalk, too?

[42:01] Is that part of that?

[42:02] That's my question.

[42:05] So, Mr. Morris, one question now makes some comments.

[42:08] Ms. Morris.

[42:09] So, thank you for submitting all of the LTEU information.

[42:12] It looks to me like we only have one other that has like signage.

[42:17] is that the Lstock Wittkin one is that the only one that has exclusive signage for L2U?

[42:22] I believe this signage, if I could get back through the individual ones, I know there was

[42:28] the signage over on on surbandes and then Lstock Wittkin was more of a shared use agreement for

[42:37] parking.

[42:38] Because when I looked at it, it says that it's, this helps you come at some parking spaces,

[42:42] there was signage for exclusive use, that's Lstock Wittkin one.

[42:45] There was only one listed that was commercial that had exclusive side edge, so I don't know if I'm

[42:51] misreading that, or

[42:57] that's on Jefferson, I guess.

[42:59] Right, there's the active one. Yes, yeah, there's an act on that. Yes, and then there's only

[43:05] active one we have. Right, that's correct, that's correct. I apologize. That is the only active one,

[43:09] and then the one on seranties is the one that's showing his laps with exclusive signage. Correct.

[43:14] and else that we can join paying $200,000 a year for that?

[43:19] That one, yes, yes.

[43:24] And that one's been an existence for a while, but as I said on Monday,

[43:30] the fees that are associated with the annual fees really are based on historically when they were approved

[43:37] and what the fees schedule contained for LTO agreements at that time.

[43:42] Okay, that's a moment of my question.

[43:45] Okay, Mr. Harry, I'm sorry, we did not connect and talk,

[43:49] but I support the LTU and that's really like Council and Jones said.

[43:54] That's the one thing we're talking about tonight.

[43:56] I like the design.

[43:58] I'm concerned about those two spots,

[44:00] but we have other spots around the city that are dangerous

[44:03] because you get in and out of it.

[44:05] I wouldn't want to be the one part in there on a Sunday brunch

[44:09] when and further the broken egg is there,

[44:12] but hopefully they'll just sleep in that day.

[44:15] So I like the idea of the sidewalk,

[44:18] I think that's gonna make a good improvement back there

[44:20] because Dimeon is not in great shape.

[44:24] And I think using those faces,

[44:26] if you can work something out broken egg

[44:28] where I don't know how you do that,

[44:30] but it would be nice,

[44:31] because I know they don't have it up parking.

[44:35] But the mayor made a very good case on Monday,

[44:39] And then, you know, I do tell my grade that this is with Councilwoman Patent as well.

[44:44] That piece of property, I've driven past it, we've all driven past it so many times.

[44:48] You know, and usually we're not going slow enough to really study it because that is a fast route.

[44:53] And if you don't go with certain speaking, you can run over.

[44:56] But we work on that, of course, that is not your problem to take.

[44:58] Of course.

[45:00] But I think it would be a great addition to that area, and I can't think of a better pairing of staying

[45:07] there than walking over to broken down for breakfast. It's a great option, and there's so much

[45:12] to do it. I think we can, like Council of Pat, and hopefully this can be kind of something

[45:17] that will spur further development and better development. We've got kind of a mix of things

[45:23] around there. But I definitely support it and I want to thank the mayor and I thank the staff

[45:32] for putting together the information I needed. And we've got to press them for LCUs. I don't

[45:36] think 250's enough, but I seriously doubt that LSTUC, we can put 250 thousand dollars into that.

[45:43] So, you know, and the mayor, many commitment on Monday that we're going to look at each one of

[45:46] these individually. Even though we may set a precedent here, there's not going to be something

[45:51] that we always do this.

[45:54] So I'm comfortable and I look forward to the next step

[45:57] in this process.

[45:58] Thank you, Captain.

[46:00] Mr. Ronald Schwit.

[46:02] Shire.

[46:04] Thank you all very much.

[46:15] Good evening, I'm Ronald Shire.

[46:17] I'm the owner of a broken egg.

[46:19] And thank you for your support finance.

[46:22] We obviously support Mr. Herring.

[46:25] It's a great rising tide, raises all ships.

[46:28] the principal concern we had was with the LTU would primarily be enforcement of it.

[46:37] We know everybody who is eating there, we serve 800 people on a Sunday, any given Sunday.

[46:43] And so, you know, about a half-way of times, our guests, which I don't want to get in the

[46:48] fray of anything, we're going to be a pain in the hand.

[46:53] And so that was my what Mr. Herring and I talked about, so I don't want to be that bad

[46:58] And so in how we want to enforce this thing and that's the dialogue that we're having right now

[47:03] It's to say because the hours are very optimal. We're seven to two. You check in a hotel three o'clock and

[47:11] They check out in the morning. Earth can go home

[47:13] So I think there's a there's a there's a lot of rooms that we can work together on this and

[47:19] But that was my principle concerns and owners. I don't want my guess coming out and finding their car booted

[47:25] You know

[47:26] or towed. And so I think we can work something where there's a time period. And I

[47:31] will watch over that place. If a car stays in my park in every night, I'm calling

[47:35] because I don't live. I'm at old retired Army Colonel. That to me is an IED. You sit in

[47:40] my parking list. It's kind of crazy. So we can work. We're definitely working together

[47:46] and they're hearing on this thing. But that was our principle. We wanted to

[47:50] committee to consider was the defense of colonel citizens that kind of eat every weekend with us

[47:56] that they don't you know come on go home I got what happened so that's all we have so thank you very much

[48:02] thank you

[48:05] council

[48:05] let me get the mayor and he gets

[48:08] just last thing and Ronald thank you for your investment in our city too when you moved in

[48:14] it's something that's close to my heart you know sometimes you move it and put everything you have and something

[48:18] And that one, and then it's got a nice note, everyone now wants to be around you.

[48:24] So that's, and that's a, certainly I'm sure as an impact on why we're even discussing

[48:27] this today, is because of what you've done.

[48:29] So thank you for that.

[48:30] But I just want to, I do want to touch on because we talked a little bit Monday, and there's been

[48:34] mentioned today about precedent, and it's a little bit less about this specific issue.

[48:39] But I do think it's important to point out that, you know, precedent with these L to use as

[48:43] you can clearly see from what the inventory that we now have.

[48:46] I don't know that there's such a thing and what I mean is one space on

[48:50] towel fox versus 50 spaces on Creighton versus I don't think any developer is

[48:56] ever going to say well you gave 10 on that street so my streets exactly the

[49:01] same. What we are hoping to do with a new administrative policy and I agree

[49:05] Councilman Bear it's we've got to make this fair. This is their property in

[49:10] $200 a year in the heart of our town is not fair for the taxpayer that's the

[49:14] And that's why we're doing the new policy, but, you know, anybody with any kind of fear of this setting any kind of precedent?

[49:21] Just look at the, of the menagerie of different LTUs, we have with different numbers of spaces that we currently have on the books that have had for 30, 35 years.

[49:30] I would argue you are precedent so far is that we don't have any structure at all in terms of, and I'm talking about not this year or last year, but over the last decade.

[49:39] So when I think hopefully from this point forward for the next 30 years, I guess the next

[49:44] American change there, change their policy on how they want to do it, and maybe what

[49:48] they charge, but what we hope from this day forward is that there's a general standard

[49:52] of protecting that spare, and that we say, this is the property in this area, and we think

[49:56] it's worth this amount, or that we leveraged that to a...

[50:01] I think I just want to be clear. I don't know that an LTU situation will ever be the same, but that they should be treated and evaluated fairly to the taxpayer, and that's my intent before.

[50:13] I have two questions for Ms. Morris.

[50:20] When I wanted to compose, I know that the aesthetic reviews have been completed as

[50:25] required for the Gateway District by the Planning Board, and then this LTO component, which

[50:30] buckle down and it does seem, I know, our boards are volunteer.

[50:33] I've spent many years on the board, so it seems like we always get these contentious board

[50:39] when attendance is low, so I hate seeing the low attendance and another one of these outcomes,

[50:46] but the question I have is what peace is going back to the planning where I want to confirm

[50:51] that next month.

[50:53] Yes, Mr. Council President, members of Council, Councilman Moore, it will be going back to the planning

[50:59] board in November for the final aesthetic review because it is in the gateway redevelopment district,

[51:05] prior to that board being abolished, it did go to the gateway redevelopment board.

[51:10] Now the planning board ever sees a static review in the gateway redevelopment district,

[51:15] so they have seen it conceptually and they will be seeing it again in November for final approval.

[51:21] Okay, I'll stand in, and then the other thing, by the code, there is a provision that by right,

[51:30] they could proceed without these spots, if I understood that correctly.

[51:34] Yes, that is correct. The city's parking ordinance allows for reductions in the CRA, the urban

[51:44] Corsairi. I believe the required number of spaces if they applied the CRA reduction that is allowed would be 86 on

[51:54] site. Okay. Well, it's significantly less. Okay. All right. Thank you. Yeah.

[52:01] Okay. So far into the conversation,

[52:03] It seemed like the horse may be dead already, but I did want to say, I guess, somebody on a body response for stewarding this community certainly always grateful any time someone comes forward and says, hey, I would like to spend millions of dollars in your community on improvements.

[52:19] So, certainly grateful for that desire to make investment and make this community better in that community holistic-minded approach.

[52:27] Also grateful for the other business people that have come out this evening and understand when you battle in the same industry,

[52:36] sometimes that can be an awkward sort of thing to potentially take a position of, you know, a different perspective.

[52:44] So hopefully we all walk away from this as good neighbor still and the process is better for the more holistic

[52:55] consideration, but I guess all that I would say

[52:58] Because recognizing that area and in the context, you know, certainly a lot of interest there, but I think the context is actually better off with

[53:07] The 11 spaces there to avoid any sort of bleed over no one they could move forward by right

[53:13] And we wouldn't even have a chance to have this discussion

[53:16] certainly better to grant the LTEU,

[53:20] it's better for those adjacent parcels and for the users of this area.

[53:24] So there is sufficient space for them.

[53:28] As I've been said, if there's any little ways to improve,

[53:30] to save the oak trees, and I'm sure you've spent time looking at the parking

[53:36] to make sure those spaces are positioned and oriented in the idea way.

[53:42] So I won't blow V8 this evening.

[53:46] I support approving this LTE as well.

[53:49] So thank you.

[53:50] Councilor Brayer.

[53:53] So I am reluctant on the fact that we have not had a clear administrative policy

[53:59] in the past.

[54:00] I do.

[54:01] At this time, trust that you'll get one.

[54:04] I appreciate that you'll do that.

[54:07] Um, I hope that, um, I hope the free breakfast model doesn't actually hurt a broken

[54:15] egg.

[54:16] And I don't know if it's just saying, I hope that doesn't end up hurting them in the

[54:20] long run, having free breakfast right next door, but, um,

[54:27] I'm going to agree with my colleagues

[54:29] tonight.

[54:30] However, I hope that you really take time.

[54:34] We are spending a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of effort to save every tree

[54:40] and entries to this city.

[54:44] And it's, I think, of critical importance to all of us

[54:47] definitely to the administration.

[54:48] And I would hope that you would take this plan seriously

[54:52] and be a good neighbor with your other neighbor, as well.

[54:56] And really take these actually.

[55:00] He's done some free work for you, right here. If you'd like to take mine, but I hope that you seriously address these trees and steeriously make every move that you don't take down anything you don't have to do, and then I guess we'll leave it up to the plan in board to move forward, but I will support it this evening. With a little bit of reluctance.

[55:25] and Councilwoman Brooke.

[55:26] Thank you, this quick question.

[55:28] And maybe someone's staff can answer.

[55:31] So the reason this is, what is this one, two, three, four, five, six, five,

[55:37] five.

[55:37] I'm sorry.

[55:38] I'm not counting right.

[55:40] Six, I guess.

[55:41] Is that because this is the number of spaces

[55:43] that the parking can accommodate?

[55:50] I'm sorry.

[55:50] I'm council president.

[55:52] Councilwoman Brooke.

[55:53] Can you repeat?

[55:54] Yes.

[55:54] What is it?

[55:54] What is it for both of you?

[55:55] So these six stories, is that the parking only accommodate that much?

[56:01] That's all it.

[56:03] That was not question.

[56:04] Right.

[56:05] Yeah.

[56:05] The parking reduction for the CRA, the CRA urban course CRA in our parking regulations

[56:12] allows them 30% reduction, but they are parking what the parking requirement would be without

[56:19] that production, because that's based on the need for their business model.

[56:23] And to clarify, and read for some earlier point,

[56:27] what he was saying is the addition from the previous iteration,

[56:32] the addition of those rooms that cause what this L to U will allow,

[56:37] to fit their bottom, is an additional $5 million in taxable property value.

[56:42] And that's what they were trying to make, is with the granting of this L to U,

[56:46] who comes this difference instead of a $25 million project,

[56:49] is a $30 million project plus the sales tax, et cetera.

[56:52] So that's when they were pointing that out before.

[56:55] I think they were just kind of showing the difference.

[56:56] I did grant it by you guys.

[56:59] That would, that makes the project and the taxable value of the project.

[57:03] Okay, I was asking about the connection between the number of floors in the parking,

[57:08] because I want it to be higher.

[57:10] That's all I was wondering.

[57:14] You could be higher.

[57:17] Come up to the mic.

[57:25] Councilmember, you're correct.

[57:26] It could not be higher than six stories,

[57:28] because that what add rooms and we don't have the parking for the additional rooms.

[57:33] And one thing that's important on the CRA, that CRA is a really designed for what hopefully

[57:39] will be, and it's later what Councilmember Pat was talking about when you get into

[57:44] a mixed environment.

[57:46] You share parking starts to be a reality or possibility.

[57:51] Now really it's even though it's close to downtown, it's still a suburban location and you

[57:56] have the advantage of the mixed use except for another broken egg is going to be using some of

[58:02] ours from time to time because they have excess needs. But at this point time while the CRI is

[58:09] a great thing it's a future policy for when the area is more developed which we all vote for the

[58:16] current we're hoping that we're part of the instigation of that actually current. Thank you. Thank you.

[58:22] All right, saying no, the speaker's please open

[58:32] and passes 7 to 0.

[58:35] Moving on to item number 11, it's 2 3 dash 0 0 804.

[58:40] Fourth, add them to the partial assignment to the Lensia Development Corporation

[58:45] of the option agreement between the City of Pensacola and the Student Properties LLP.

[58:50] It is the recommendation of the City Council approved and authorized

[58:54] the American to execute the Fourth Amendment to the partial assignments to the Lensia Development

[58:58] Corporation, but the absolute agreement between the City of Pensacola and Student Properties

[59:03] LLP for the Development of Parts of 7, but the Valencia J. I'm sorry, Vents J. Webs

[59:10] Senior Community Maritime Park, extending the agreement for six months through March 31,

[59:16] 2024. Also, that City Council authorized the American to take the actions necessary to execute

[59:22] in a minister this agreement consistent with the terms of the agreement in the mayor's executive

[59:26] powers as granted in the city charter, motion is second, I have that, Mayor Reese.

[59:34] Yeah, thank you, I just want to say first, Andrew Roth that is here to discuss answer any

[59:42] questions on 11 and 12. As you may recall, the 11 before us is Valencia of parcel 7, and Andrew

[59:51] discuss in greater detail, but ultimately our conversation with him was that we would grant

[59:57] this extension with the expectation that we would move this.

[1:00:00] This project forward, that it had been for lots of reasons, not necessarily hours over there, has been slow moving and the intent of this, in front of you, is to extend to March 31st, where at that point, or by that point, we would expect to have some term sheets of kind of agreement that we would see that's trying to move forward, or that we don't come to that agreement, and that property is now free to be marketed as well.

[1:00:26] So again, I will have to go in a minute and I just, Andrew, if you don't mind coming up

[1:00:33] in just certainly, I can sure you add to that and I wanted to say thank you to Andrew

[1:00:38] for all his work on 4-5 and on 7, which I'm not even sure is actually in his scope at this

[1:00:44] point.

[1:00:44] But I appreciate you taking us on and helping us move this forward.

[1:00:48] We

[1:00:52] have no questions.

[1:00:54] I have no questions.

[1:00:59] Councilman Pat?

[1:01:00] Thank you.

[1:01:03] I would like to hear a little bit more about what currently is in the works, it's great to hear that by the end of this term we will have hopefully something a little more concrete, but can you just give me an update on what that means?

[1:01:19] Sure, and thank you for Councilman Patent.

[1:01:22] And can I speak to 11 and 12 or should I just stick to this?

[1:01:25] It's going to be okay to speak to them

[1:01:27] because they're both stored in the same thing.

[1:01:31] So as it relates to this part specifically,

[1:01:34] seven, we've just been extending their option,

[1:01:38] this hotel developer, and the issue with the hotel developer

[1:01:40] from the beginning, if you remember their site plan,

[1:01:43] kind of takes up their entire site.

[1:01:45] Because the idea was you are going to use shared parking

[1:01:49] that happens in a shared parking structure next door on four and five for your hotel.

[1:01:55] So the idea with them is that hold, hold, hold, hold, and you think they can have a developer

[1:02:00] who's interested enough that they've been writing non-refundable checks every month for,

[1:02:04] I don't know, three years now, just sort of in reliance of us saying we're working on it,

[1:02:09] but until we get that shared parking done, there's really nothing we can do.

[1:02:13] The key thing that's changed with that, with partial score and five is that the developer for four and five has decided to move forward with a plan that is developing partial five first.

[1:02:26] So we've always combined those two and they touch each other, right four and five.

[1:02:30] So if you remember four is the existing surface parking lot, the 350 space parking lot.

[1:02:36] Five is the triangular grassy piece between that and the stadium.

[1:02:40] So we've sort of always combined them, but it's, it's, they've come around to them to decide.

[1:02:46] And we, this has been discussed all along.

[1:02:47] The four and five would always be developed in two phases.

[1:02:50] It's enough land, enough density, that what could be developed on that,

[1:02:54] which is 600 apartments, you would never build in one phase.

[1:02:58] It's just too much for the market at one time.

[1:03:00] So it's always been contemplated in two phases.

[1:03:03] But the creativity that's happened is figuring out a way to do their first project,

[1:03:08] just on five to try and do a grassy piece and I'm getting a little bit more detail on what

[1:03:14] it is creatively they're planning on doing that's allowing them to keep spending money and moving

[1:03:18] forward. But what it does do is it allows parcel for the surface parking lot to stay a surface parking

[1:03:26] lot that can still be used for what it's being used for and can even support Valencia's hotel.

[1:03:32] Again, again, to short term. So the idea is we've been moving forward with private development

[1:03:37] at Maritime Park since the beginning.

[1:03:40] And there's only been two developments done, right?

[1:03:42] There's been a scuder office building

[1:03:43] and the back makes use of building.

[1:03:46] With this idea that let's keep kicking the can

[1:03:50] on the city's obligation to ever build a parking garage

[1:03:53] as long as we can.

[1:03:54] I mean, this is taxpayer money.

[1:03:56] So let's not do it until the last minute

[1:03:58] that the taxpayer has to do it.

[1:04:01] And with this arrangement, the taxpayer doesn't,

[1:04:03] and the city doesn't have to do it right now.

[1:04:05] So they will build five completely independently and park itself under itself for what it is.

[1:04:11] And then seven could happen with Valencia.

[1:04:14] And there's a nut extra parking on the surface park with all right now work.

[1:04:18] Valencia, if it's hotel up here today, they could share parking on that because I thought this was really interesting.

[1:04:24] Talking about the difference in timeframes, broken egg, versus the hotel.

[1:04:28] They were almost opposite.

[1:04:30] It's kind of the same thing here.

[1:04:31] So think about a hotel when they need and when an office building needs a party.

[1:04:35] They're almost completely opposite.

[1:04:37] So it's like, you know, man from heaven in terms of the shared parking arrangement with those times.

[1:04:42] So all that is to say, and I know I'm getting into the other project a little bit,

[1:04:46] but from Valencia's standpoint, when we were able to inform them,

[1:04:49] guys, we don't need to wait any longer.

[1:04:52] We have your parking now.

[1:04:53] Now, doesn't mean that the future we won't need to build a garage and change it around, but for now.

[1:05:00] We're good and moving forward. So they were thrilled with that. The next step is for them, because we've never talked about specific business terms with the LNCM.

[1:05:09] Like, they're not near as far along as we are with Parsons 4 and 5 and have a real business terms and a negotiated ground lease.

[1:05:16] So with the green light for them to do their project, they said, okay, now it's time to start talking business terms.

[1:05:22] If you, I don't know if you know that the mayor recently ordered an appraisal of all of the sites that

[1:05:27] Mayor Tom Park, so we could have some independent third-party information to know, are the numbers that we're discussing

[1:05:33] market-based, or are they real? We don't want to be too high, we don't want to be too low, we want to be fair, encouraged,

[1:05:38] bell, but not give it a formal way. So with all that information, it's now in Valencia's court to come to us with a proposal of business terms,

[1:05:46] And that just couldn't be done by November 14th was the day that their option expired.

[1:05:52] So it made sense to just push this four months, give them that extra time.

[1:05:57] And now all these options are lining up, and kind of everything's happening February March.

[1:06:02] Like it's, it's put up a shot at where you're marching.

[1:06:07] I hope that helps.

[1:06:08] Thank you.

[1:06:09] All right.

[1:06:10] Seeing all the speakers please vote.

[1:06:18] Passed at 7 to 0.

[1:06:21] Item number 12.

[1:06:24] 2 3 dash 00806.

[1:06:27] Fourth of the Denden to the partial assignment to

[1:06:29] the Spire Communities of Florida LLC.

[1:06:32] Of the option agreement between the City of Pentecostal

[1:06:35] and the Student Properties LLP.

[1:06:37] So recommendation of the City Council approves

[1:06:38] and authorized the Mayor to execute.

[1:06:41] Fourth is the Fourth of Denden to the partial assignment

[1:06:44] to inspire communities of Florida, LLC, or the optional agreement between the City of

[1:06:49] Pensacola and Student Properties, LLP, for the development of Parsley's 3, 6 and 8 of Vince

[1:06:55] Vince J. Webb Senior, Community Maritime Park, extending the agreement for five months to

[1:07:01] be February 29, 2024.

[1:07:03] Also, the City Council authorized the Mayor to take actions necessary to execute and administer

[1:07:09] this agreement consistent with the terms of the agreement and the mayor's executive

[1:07:14] powers is granted in the city charter in the motion of the second. I have that saying no

[1:07:20] speakers, please vote

[1:07:45] and pass the 70. Thank you, Andrew. Moving to item number 13. It's

[1:07:52] two three dash 00743, FEMA FY2023, port security grant program, acceptance of grant number

[1:08:01] EMW-2023PU-00455 mobile command center.

[1:08:07] It is a recommendation at City Council,

[1:08:09] except FEMA FY-2023.

[1:08:13] Port Security Grant, number EMW-2023PU-00455 mobile command center

[1:08:21] in the amount of $493,336.

[1:08:26] Based on the Department of Homeland Security,

[1:08:28] Further, the city council offers the mayor to take the actions necessary to execute and administer this grant consistent with the terms of the agreement and the mayor's executive powers as granted in the city charter also the city council adopt a supplemental budget resolution of appropriating these grant funds in the motion in a second.

[1:08:47] I have that, saying no speakers, please vote,

[1:08:57] pass the 7 to 0, item number 14, it's 2, 3,

[1:09:02] dash, 0, 7, 9, supplemental budget resolution number 2, 0, 2, 3, dash, 0, 7, 9, FEMA, FY 2020,

[1:09:11] 3, poor security grant program, grant number, EMW, 2, 0, 2, 3, P, you, 0, 0, 5, 4, 5, mobile

[1:09:20] Command Center. It is the recommendation that the City Council will adopt Budget Resolution

[1:09:24] Number 2023-079 Madam Court.

[1:09:28] Supplemental Budget Resolution Number 2023-079, a resolution authorizing and making revisions

[1:09:35] and appropriations for the fiscal year in September 30, 2020 or planning for this.

[1:09:42] Thank you very much in the second. I have that. Please vote and

[1:09:50] pass it 7 to 0.

[1:09:54] Item number 15 is 2 0 2 3 dash 0 8 1 supplemental budget.

[1:10:00] Resolution number 2-023-8081 to recognize Oceola Municipal Golf Force FY-2023 Revenue.

[1:10:11] The fetus of recommendation and city council adopt Supplemental Budget Resolution number 2-023-081.

[1:10:18] Madam Clerk.

[1:10:19] Supplemental Budget Resolution number 2023-081, a resolution of the rising and making revisions and appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30.

[1:10:29] 2020-23 providing for an effective date and saying no speakers please vote

[1:10:42] Passes 7 to 0

[1:10:45] City council executive report council president just have one item tonight and this is just you all may know this

[1:10:52] You may not know it, but just to let you know

[1:10:54] That will be the last night that you will be using the granica system and we're going to a system called civic plus

[1:11:03] So that beginning at your November 6th agenda conference, you will be working on the new program,

[1:11:10] which means at your November 6th agenda conference, I will be sending out a request to start that meeting at 3 o'clock,

[1:11:18] so that you can have actually the first half hour, it's just going to be training on the new system.

[1:11:27] As we go through, the meetings in November, where there's just one meeting in November, but for the special meeting.

[1:11:34] And one meeting in December, we would just like to ask for your patients as we're working through this new system.

[1:11:42] We think it's a better system. It's easier to enter items in. It's easier to create an agenda.

[1:11:48] And next week we will be running a mock meeting to see if it's easier for the close office to do everything that they need to do, but it appears that it will be.

[1:12:00] So having said that, I just wanted to thank Stephen Ringo and Mark Schultz for all their hard work and getting us through this process.

[1:12:10] I would like to thank Erica and Robin as well as Eva Elaine and Sonia for all being an integral

[1:12:17] part of making this work and coming up with questions, coming up with appropriate language,

[1:12:25] what you should see is a lot more consistency in the items with we've created language for

[1:12:33] recommendations to all look the same and so it should be much more consistent so that's

[1:12:41] really it just letting you know that we are going to a new system we'll be doing some

[1:12:46] initial training with you all on November the 6th and we will go from there.

[1:12:53] Mayor's communication.

[1:12:57] Council President Memphis the Council I just wanted to remind everybody to Mars where

[1:13:01] I think today I'll see Don's already beat us a little butch to punch and then on Saturday

[1:13:07] it's to make it a strike event as a bill if you can make it downtown we have a bunch of

[1:13:11] city staff that'll be there so then support a breast cancer awareness month. That's it.

[1:13:18] City Council communication,

[1:13:22] Council member. Thank you, Mr. President. I don't know when this happened

[1:13:27] and maybe I just didn't realize it but in my subdivision and the reserve I think we got new

[1:13:33] I was out there last night, I was like the moon is really, no, it's the street light.

[1:13:39] So I think we nod the LED ones.

[1:13:41] No, no, no, it's happening, but I appreciate that, because much easier to see in my neighborhood now.

[1:13:47] Also, he's not here, but I want to thank Fred.

[1:13:51] And I guess code enforcement too, related to Tony Street,

[1:13:55] And I just, in my district, that had a lot of issues with garbage,

[1:13:59] piling up in people's driveways, yards, and they made a run through there.

[1:14:04] I know in some areas the city, we get that bulky waste pick up when they come in and actually

[1:14:09] they'll charge people to take the bulky waste that they just leave out there at the road.

[1:14:15] Hopefully, somebody got charged for that, but I appreciate that.

[1:14:18] We've had some issues on Tony Street, and I know that Chief is aware of this with some

[1:14:23] prime issues and some things we need to have a little bit, you know, more, I guess proactive

[1:14:30] stance on, so I'm hopeful that that will happen as well.

[1:14:35] And also, I don't know if you all got this, but our meeting in December, happens to be the

[1:14:40] same night as an event out at NAS, and so I'm hopeful for a very short agenda, because that

[1:14:45] is always a nice event to go to, so hopefully we have a short agenda in December.

[1:14:51] Thank you.

[1:14:55] Moving to our second leeward board form and I see no speakers.

[1:15:00] We are turned.

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