[0:00] Board of Adjustment will come to order. Are there any additions or changes recorded?

[0:06] Recording in progress.

[0:07] I

[0:10] hear none would somebody make a motion to approve the minutes of August 4th meeting.

[0:18] I make a motion.

[0:20] Second. Second.

[0:22] 30 discussion.

[0:25] So moved.

[0:28] So we're going to continue the update of our town plan.

[0:32] piles here to take us through the next chapters, so it's all yours, Kyle.

[0:42] We have a couple of things to say, so I want you today.

[0:48] There are a few changes that we discussed in the YouTube season.

[0:52] To see these chapters, last meeting, and so I've made just a couple of small changes

[0:58] and won't look at those on the screen.

[1:00] And then a lane point of that earlier today, I was able to get them in there in the end.

[1:05] All right, okay.

[1:07] A couple of other changes in utility systems.

[1:09] So we'll just look at those.

[1:11] And then we'll go through the natural resources, historical resources chapter.

[1:17] I'm not many changes in there.

[1:21] There's some required language around water resources,

[1:26] So I think corporate that's for the end of the chapter, if there's any thing that you all saw a lot of reading it, that you think it is maybe missing in terms of scenery sources,

[1:41] signature, signature, natural areas, things like that, it should be good.

[1:44] It looks pretty comprehensive to me, but I don't have any local knowledge.

[1:49] So,

[1:52] you know, I worked with God and what's available,

[1:57] and you know, occasionally things

[1:58] things change, and we'd get updated, but typically the natural resources stay the same,

[2:04] so I don't really expect many changes there, but we'll go through that, and then we'll discuss

[2:13] the planning for the first public forum, how to reach, and so we'll get into that after we go through the two chapters.

[2:27] And I also have, I'll put on the screen, the natural resources map.

[2:32] Once we go through the chapter, I don't expect any changes to the map, but you think an additional resource should be listed on there.

[2:42] I can make note of that.

[2:46] Okay, so I'm gonna share my screen.

[3:02] Frank, can you hear?

[3:11] Frank, can you hear us?

[3:12] Yeah, it's like a...

[3:14] Is he muted?

[3:15] Who controls that?

[3:16] Frank control is audio.

[3:18] We're going to be controlled from here.

[3:21] He's not muted on the screen.

[3:23] So his audio is on.

[3:30] Okay.

[3:31] Yeah,

[3:35] I was working in just a few minutes, can I?

[3:59] Yeah, well, some of them.

[4:10] Excuse me, but I don't hear anything.

[4:13] Oh, that was fun.

[4:16] Yeah.

[4:16] I have it here.

[4:17] That's fun.

[4:18] Yeah.

[4:47] Yeah, if you were just going to look at a couple of things, that's why I didn't, like, send a whole chapter over to the system.

[4:53] you piece is going to be modified days gone. You're not like when you set me. Which a

[5:00] headset is the last meeting. But I'm waiting for us to get. Yeah. Let's get Frank back.

[5:12] I don't think you can hear us. Maybe what we'll need to do for now is you can use the mine

[5:17] on your watch chart. Okay.

[5:21] Frank, can you hear me? I hear you now. Yes.

[5:25] Yeah. I've got a little bit of an echo.

[5:32] Um, okay.

[5:36] Doesn't out.

[5:37] Yeah.

[5:38] Okay.

[5:40] Okay. Frank, you can still hear me?

[5:42] I do.

[5:45] You can't. Okay.

[5:48] Oh, but my audio is down.

[5:51] So just try talking.

[5:53] Okay, I hear you very clearly. Okay, we have Frank. All right, we can continue.

[6:03] So we just have a couple of things to look at based on the last meeting from the utilities and facilities chapters. I have that on the screen.

[6:12] Um, I turn that split and go to the bits. Oh, and I can I can zoom in too.

[6:20] Seven. It's okay. I'm about to. I just need to.

[6:27] I can go to the policy.

[6:29] Oh, that's me.

[6:31] Please.

[6:33] Still.

[6:33] I just didn't.

[6:34] They could see.

[6:35] So we had discussed making a change in under policing services.

[6:39] And I just want to make sure this information is accurate.

[6:44] It's the highlight information here.

[6:58] Okay, yeah.

[6:58] Those are just from the notes I took at the last meeting.

[7:04] Okay.

[7:05] And then we'll go down to...

[7:10] I'm still...

[7:11] I need to touch base with Anne on the Flimith memory tree

[7:16] and the Alliquiti Health Foundation.

[7:19] Okay.

[7:32] And then we had Elaine, you mentioned, removing Hock in and resort from motels hotels and bed and breakfast.

[7:46] It's not hasn't been used in several years.

[7:49] Okay, then I expect that we'll take it out.

[7:56] And then we added under 9,

[8:02] some businesses, because it had just said several other businesses

[8:05] are here.

[8:06] It didn't go into detail.

[8:08] So I've added these, if there are others, we can add them in as well.

[8:15] The name businesses, are they businesses that have to have real estate status retail?

[8:22] generally it's not like a like a home occupation or something like that that might be

[8:28] someone's like home office you wouldn't be yeah and it's like businesses it's

[8:35] sort of the public so it could be I guess if someone has an in-home doctor's

[8:42] office or a law office that they take clients in but how to have a service business like

[8:50] People's in demand for things that might change.

[8:54] Is that figure in at all, that can be mentioned?

[9:00] It doesn't.

[9:02] And largely, because I think those type, like,

[9:05] they need to be based in a location,

[9:07] but the work happens all over.

[9:11] And so if you're doing landscaping,

[9:15] you're going to people's homes,

[9:16] or other businesses do that work.

[9:21] And so, I guess in a way, it's certain that public pay it's more than a private capacity,

[9:29] like someone hirers them to do that.

[9:33] And so if it's a mole, what do you just explain that doesn't list that?

[9:39] If it's a mole, it's like you just said to the mole.

[9:42] Yeah, because they'll serve anyone that calls them and writes out a check, but this is more

[9:51] for Pete Lake if you have a market that someone can go into to purchase groceries or what

[9:55] had you.

[10:05] Yeah, it's not like a space that's open to the public. I guess it's fine trying to say. Frank, Frank. Yeah.

[10:12] Do you call like in and in waters edge would they be included there?

[10:18] We have that under motels and hotels. Oh, right there. Okay.

[10:28] Yeah.

[10:31] She sells

[10:33] Hello,

[10:35] preparations. Yeah. I don't think

[10:41] I don't know.

[10:43] Mm-hmm.

[10:44] Hey.

[10:48] And her business model has changed.

[10:51] She's not doing all the things that she was doing.

[10:53] The business and having the baby.

[10:55] Um, I don't know if she would want us to put that.

[11:01] Yeah, and some of it is like, is it, is it big?

[11:04] Most abolition has parking.

[11:06] Lots of people go there on a daily or weekly basis.

[11:09] Do they think I like brick and brick more?

[11:11] brick and mortar,

[11:15] yeah.

[11:15] There were a couple others, Elaine, that you had in here, and I couldn't comment, but I don't have the comments open.

[11:28] I mean, just list them

[11:37] and then they'll scroll up.

[11:45] So that was, oh, okay.

[11:48] Under recreational facilities at the top of the utilities and facilities chapter,

[11:55] removing Hock and and resort from there.

[12:03] And also, it was a strike on number 10, born around Bob Skieria.

[12:12] Yeah, under recreational facilities, item 10.

[12:18] It basically could take that off.

[12:20] Right, yeah, we've gone ahead and removed that.

[12:28] with creation, who I can run so fast, I can't.

[12:32] But I commented, but there was a paragraph

[12:37] that started off with Woodward Reservoir,

[12:40] it has no age, but farming wilderness allows me to find that.

[12:45] That's number six.

[12:47] So, I think the first page until the year,

[12:53] if the farm in London is kind of okay.

[12:58] No, it's just a little bit harder for the region.

[13:02] Oh, what were reservoirs of all the beach?

[13:04] Why is that even?

[13:07] Why is that even in the first sense?

[13:12] It's just in the current plan.

[13:14] I have to ask the planning commission from.

[13:16] Yeah, that's why I mentioned, you know, rather just say,

[13:21] farming wilderness allows access, so, but take out the part it says the reason

[13:29] something. We could list a lot of things that you don't have. There's a lot of

[13:33] new things. But we can't swim from there and I think that's

[13:39] You can watch it both from there.

[13:44] Yeah.

[13:45] Yeah.

[13:45] So say you can on public beach, I think.

[13:49] Yeah.

[13:50] No need to say something doesn't exist.

[13:55] Well.

[13:56] Well, that's my opinion.

[14:00] Oh, there it does.

[14:01] It says the state is in the public access to the folks living in.

[14:06] Maybe we should get Jade and way in on this if he gets here tonight too.

[14:09] because they were the one with a lot of ability, oh, I guess you'll see.

[14:14] Okay, I can go back to that one.

[14:21] I was just full of that, I get

[14:26] it.

[14:27] If you feel that has to stay in that,

[14:31] it could be worded differently.

[14:33] It says, while, would we address a borne, that's no purpose,

[14:38] feed, farming, well, there's a lot of us.

[14:41] That's fine.

[14:42] Yeah.

[14:43] Thank you

[14:53] for the.

[14:53] Oh, the words, nothing.

[15:03] You can see the same thing about round top.

[15:09] What was that, Frank? You could say the same thing about your round top. You know, it used to do something. Well, yeah.

[15:17] Is that relevant to now?

[15:27] Well, I did want to go through, you had, I think, one or two other items in here, so we've covered the Hawking and Resort

[15:41] that might be it, I think, for me.

[15:44] The other item that you mentioned is looking at cell tower language.

[15:51] So before we get into chapter seven, cell tower language for be zoning.

[15:56] Yeah. Typically the language around the

[16:01] sighting of telecommunication facilities is in the town plan.

[16:08] And the plan does have pretty specific language already.

[16:14] So I don't think you really have to look at for the zoning.

[16:18] I wouldn't recommend it because the Public Utility Commission

[16:23] refers to a town plan and moved it all with the last iteration of the town plan. I remember.

[16:30] It has some pretty specific recommendations in the town plan right now. So I don't.

[16:36] I mean, the so many ones. Right. Yeah. So you can leave it that way. Yeah.

[16:42] If it's a concern, the language typically goes into the town plan and there's already language here.

[16:48] I'll call.

[16:52] Mm-hmm.

[16:53] There looks.

[16:55] Is that something that would be included in the town?

[16:58] Or maybe a policy for them?

[17:04] If it's an issue, if it's never come up.

[17:08] It's typically, I mean, I've not.

[17:11] It's, I've never seen it come up because it's, as far as I know, it's not been an issue

[17:19] the towns I've worked with like they hadn't had them or they've not been put up anywhere.

[17:27] So they're really just a camera with a solar panel and it takes photos of vehicles.

[17:37] Yeah, they're often used for like tools and things like that to get the license plate number

[17:42] and yeah. But then communities can like HAAs and have a communities can purchase them for like

[17:52] visibility on the streets and things like that for security.

[17:58] But it just means there's lots of

[18:02] lots of cameras looking in a lot of places. There's a lot of talk about the front cameras.

[18:11] I need

[18:12] in track.

[18:15] By the city's having a number of reformers, there's a traffic plane, that's licensed

[18:20] place.

[18:21] People would run a red land, stop sign, get people stewing something coming out of the store.

[18:28] But there's a lot of controversy with that because it's starting to violate the first amendment

[18:35] by many standards.

[18:38] They're called flop because the company has been in fact on this flop.

[18:43] I think as the town we're going to, I mean, from what I've heard, it's usually police departments

[18:50] that will use them and if so, if it's like a municipal body or agency that's using these,

[19:03] then the town can have a policy around it.

[19:05] I don't know, it doesn't seem to fit if someone at their house on their driveway puts

[19:12] money in.

[19:12] You can't, you know, that's just what they did, but I don't think that, I mean, you get

[19:19] a home security system, you wouldn't get a block camera.

[19:25] If they had a way, if you're in a car, because of passenger, and you go under a block

[19:32] They know to you, so they know exactly what you want to do.

[19:38] Check my book for notifications.

[19:41] And there are actually a good many who've spent the problem is.

[19:46] You can have something that's so good it becomes bad.

[19:50] You tell us.

[19:52] Okay.

[19:55] So yeah, I don't really know where that would.

[19:58] if, yeah, if it were like a big town and there was an agency like a police department that had

[20:05] contract with flock, then the town would be considering like, do we want this or not?

[20:13] We're not there yet, you're. Yeah, I think. It's kind of like, you know, sometimes at the point where

[20:21] they're like, what do we do about short-term rentals and other towns don't have, it's not really an issue,

[20:28] they don't have his key resort nearby or what had his social

[20:31] torment rentals aren't becoming a problem. And so it really

[20:36] depends, you know, it's as as these things start to build, then

[20:41] you get the discussion and you can start putting in language

[20:44] around it. Sometimes are looking at language for big

[20:52] developments that could be data centers, you know, just like

[20:58] if one were to try and locate here like how would you regulate it? What not? So,

[21:03] all right, thinking about that. It, I think it would be very hard and Vermont for

[21:08] that data says. We don't have a great grid. We have lots of mountains. Lots of flooding like

[21:16] and they tend to be huge. So, I don't know. So, no info on that. It's not as bad.

[21:27] I don't know if

[21:33] there's it, okay. I'd imagine they'd maybe be on the west side of the

[21:42] greens where you've got the Champagne Valley. It's big and flat. It's a lot easier to put one in.

[21:51] Okay, so we'll look at the natural resources,

[21:56] scene of resources and what sort of resources chapter what happens when the free

[22:01] meeting ends.

[22:05] Frank, we seem to have a ticking clock.

[22:10] I don't understand.

[22:16] So Frank, I don't know if you saw that, but it's that we have a free

[22:21] remain for another eight minutes and fifty seconds and then presumably something happens.

[22:30] Don't give you 43 minutes. Did you go over your limit?

[22:36] I don't know, maybe. By soon, I have a pace of description. That's unlimited.

[22:44] Yeah, I would assume so too. Although there's a little kick in the time.

[22:49] The little disclaimer that says the invoice is overdue.

[22:53] Um, so it could be that we might have to restart the meeting after that.

[23:01] This is that how that we just like should often insert again.

[23:09] Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just troubleshooting here.

[23:13] This is a matter of a bill not being paid.

[23:15] What are we just going to do? All right. Yeah. Let's continue.

[23:20] Um, you don't need my presence for a cool. Okay. All right.

[23:29] Did you have a lot of sleep going so I did try and find I didn't flag anything here but the USD since 2007 census of agriculture.

[23:43] It's quite old. There's four operating farms in Plymouth. I looked at the grammar state at today. It shows one.

[23:50] Yeah. So my guess is that there might just be one farm based on the grandmas data from the 2025 grandmas.

[24:03] Yeah, just the one with us.

[24:07] So I'll I'll just put in on grand list.

[24:14] And that was one farm, and then I'll add that language in,

[24:24] and I'll try not to speed through,

[24:26] but I know that'd be six and a half minutes left.

[24:31] So we're going through significant fragile and natural resources, including shallow and

[24:37] wet soil, shorelines, wetlands, floodplains,

[24:44] I didn't have any, I didn't call anything

[24:46] out there that all that language is fine. Under policy one, I recommend adding some language

[24:55] because it ties into state planning goal nine. So forced based businesses, not just

[25:04] agricultural, but also forced based. This isn't for policy one. And including the

[25:13] infection, or marking a value added agricultural and forest product. So not just tying its agriculture,

[25:19] but also to forest products as well.

[25:27] It would be like saw mills, things like that. It could be small,

[25:35] just operations, do mill work. Value added agricultural, it could be anything that people do

[25:45] Anding things of that nature, so processing of agricultural products for a market.

[25:56] But it's one of the, it's state planning whole of nine is encouraging agricultural and forest based businesses and value added agricultural and forest products.

[26:07] So I just want to make sure we say both of those in here.

[26:17] And then because policy three, it ties into, I essentially consolidated policy three into

[26:26] policy one, combined with two, because three was just encouraging force-based businesses,

[26:34] but we also want that value added component for both, so it felt like a good consolidation.

[26:42] I

[26:49] didn't have anything for the standards or recommendations,

[26:55] I think it's a good list of

[26:56] scenic areas and a lot of these appear on the natural resources map too,

[27:06] so they've got

[27:07] reservoir and Kobe Pond.

[27:19] Where is that?

[27:22] I

[27:24] think that, you know, seen it, there it is.

[27:29] That is this not in here on this thing.

[27:32] Ancient melons.

[27:33] Okay.

[27:34] We used to have a thing in the original zone in four ancient rooms.

[27:37] Yeah.

[27:38] Where would that be out of there now?

[27:40] Well, I don't think you wanted it because that's a

[27:43] So it doesn't have a private problem.

[27:47] If you move, yeah, all of us,

[27:51] most, well, if we want to say,

[27:53] thanks to Brods on public property.

[27:56] Ancient roads might be covered on the transportation.

[28:03] Hold on, I was just looking it up.

[28:10] We did that.

[28:11] It mentions it in feature land use, and then it mentions it again, I can't see where, somewhere in here.

[28:27] Ah, ancient and class four roads, and which

[28:34] section is this in.

[28:38] So it's only mentioned twice.

[28:44] Oh, and this is transportation, so it's in transportation, yeah.

[28:51] It has a recommendation for ancient and class four roads in the transportation chapter.

[28:59] We're still looking at the ceiling.

[29:03] We are, I was just seeing if ancient roads were mentioned anywhere.

[29:10] got changed so I used to have some Ralph 100 day corner,

[29:20] you know, and I don't think

[29:21] the things.

[29:23] But last sentence, I'm not so sure if I'll come out from the resort, there's something

[29:29] that we can influence any more.

[29:34] Okay, I think it's often out in properties on the map, and they're all private in the

[29:39] or is it not in front of me with this building and some disrepair down on the floor?

[29:49] This is a third.

[29:52] Okay.

[29:55] All right, that's a good point.

[30:00] Maybe we just cut it at state park, okay,

[30:07] and it looks like we have one more minute on the zoom and then the meeting light.

[30:16] Okay, that just for your awareness, Frank. Okay,

[30:24] I didn't see anything else in here.

[30:31] Just a couple of grammatical changes in goal two on page 49.

[30:40] I notice also a number of two route of 108 more of our talks about the highways, many curves,

[31:10] many

[31:10] I don't know.

[31:12] I don't know.

[31:13] I don't know.

[31:14] I don't know.

[31:15] Stay in my vision to see what this is about.

[31:18] Converting the meeting.

[31:19] You can be recording.

[31:23] So the meeting.

[31:24] Oh, we need a recording.

[31:28] See if I can try.

[31:34] We lose Frank.

[31:35] He might be lost.

[31:36] Me too.

[31:38] I'm trying to get back.

[31:40] Why is that?

[31:42] Let's go and order.

[31:44] Great.

[31:44] Jay, didn't you pay the dues?

[31:47] Oh.

[31:48] You got the freeze in the morning.

[31:50] That's 45 minutes?

[31:51] Yeah.

[31:51] When we done it, Dad.

[31:53] We got to look at the end.

[31:56] Oh, sorry.

[31:58] Share my screen again.

[32:02] I think we have another 40 minutes now.

[32:04] That's good.

[32:05] I think we have another 40 minutes now.

[32:08] That's good.

[32:08] Yeah.

[32:12] There we go.

[32:14] There we go.

[32:16] You know why they changed his certificate number.

[32:21] To the kingdom road.

[32:23] Did you?

[32:25] Okay.

[32:26] I didn't

[32:32] have any changes in forced threatening.

[32:36] T-shen section.

[32:39] That's a great.

[32:41] We have three very deep connections.

[32:43] A, D, D, D into four spot areas.

[32:48] A lot of these also are in here on the actual resources,

[32:51] and asso it's a good reference.

[32:52] Go ahead back, number one.

[32:55] C, C, C, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z.

[32:57] Going back up.

[32:58] Let's see, please.

[32:59] Go ahead and switch on the web browser.

[33:01] Go ahead and switch on the web browser.

[33:06] All right.

[33:21] All right.

[33:22] It's a good place of someone that's older, but it's an older, but it's an older.

[33:29] Right, it looks like I'm a screen, though, we lost.

[33:34] I know.

[33:39] But it's funny, as it doesn't still illuminating.

[33:43] And I'm sharing my screen.

[33:47] I

[33:50] don't know what's that.

[33:54] Interesting, okay.

[34:14] recording in progress

[34:28] So I think

[34:43] I

[34:46] didn't have anything on the wild, but it's right below the forest fragmentation

[34:57] and

[35:17] the second

[35:17] It's not a big deal, it's just a wreck of recognition to us.

[35:22] Doesn't really have like an acting or hardy, it's just kind of.

[35:26] It doesn't say it's a music encouraging owners.

[35:31] Could you say the town encourages owners who are...

[35:35] That's necessarily how to have.

[35:40] But usually there isn't that occasion for ramations.

[35:44] It's not required.

[35:46] It's more of it.

[35:53] Anyway, just some kind of file.

[35:53] I'm going to identify them as critical force walks.

[35:58] Who does that?

[36:00] So that is, there is a big mapping effort back in the 2010s.

[36:06] So the concentration design is just statewide mapping.

[36:12] Priority, highest priority, interior, force blocks, and habitat.

[36:18] I think we've seen in the four spots where he's large on the frame and to, of course,

[36:26] that are excellent for certain types of flottling.

[36:30] How about that?

[36:31] Yeah, so there, then maybe need a certain amount of acreage to use everywhere right now.

[36:38] Well, they do, but I have one on my neighbor, because we've been in hyper milling.

[36:42] It looks so important for us pretty good, too.

[36:45] But they tend to thrive, you know, it's not ideal for them.

[36:49] So there's like, do you have wintering areas?

[36:51] Is that part of that or not, let's just say it's bad.

[36:54] So deer wintering areas are, there are many different.

[36:58] And I'm sure they play into the forest block data.

[37:03] I don't know, I wasn't part of that process.

[37:07] So I don't know the methods that you use for the mapping.

[37:10] But a lot of this around these large areas that bit larger mammals or animals that require a big land.

[37:19] They're maybe 500 acres or a thousand acres.

[37:24] It's suitable for how to tap for them.

[37:26] And then the connectors are for when they move.

[37:31] From one of these large areas to another. I think this is all changed up, but we come more domestic, all, I mean, I don't think we need to change it. I mean, this is all, false information, some, some extent.

[37:47] I have to adapt, and you as number two, number two,

[38:02] you know, the bears have definitely

[38:04] become like this sadly for them, right, garbage bears, but I think a lot of the things

[38:09] bobcats, margues, things like that are the animals that need to move around.

[38:14] That's

[38:20] the food for attention.

[38:22] But we do have in our town, good green weight for animal movement, I believe.

[38:32] And in a lot of them were listed.

[38:34] That's why I was mentioning, they're very welcome to scale.

[38:38] In the forest fragmentation section, they list the critical forest block areas.

[38:45] Or some of the main ones.

[38:47] New West School of State Forest, bare mountain,

[38:52] Uri Hill, but a while like managed in area.

[38:56] So a lot of these are mentioned in detail.

[39:01] And it's great because they're also

[39:02] a day if you're on a map too.

[39:04] So it's a great reference.

[39:09] It's a green mountain deer corridor right there.

[39:11] Is that right?

[39:12] Or is that right?

[39:13] Oh, check it.

[39:14] Yeah, no.

[39:15] So it's a cast in here.

[39:28] Didn't have anything in it.

[39:29] Oh, yeah, never back back to that recommendation.

[39:31] I flagged.

[39:36] not much in the archeological historic sites.

[39:42] The only thing I flagged is under 8 and 6.

[39:46] Four properties, in addition to those are

[39:48] mentioned, important in the state historic sites.

[39:51] His structure is through that.

[39:53] These are, I've just got to have the alcoholic in

[39:55] and Julia Messer has an appointment.

[39:58] That's three.

[40:00] And I mentioned four, so I don't know what the fourth is.

[40:02] So we could change it to three, some properties.

[40:07] All right.

[40:08] Page is that.

[40:10] This is nothing more.

[40:12] Is there anything?

[40:13] There's so many coordinates.

[40:19] Yeah.

[40:19] No.

[40:22] No.

[40:23] Yep.

[40:27] Where's the dress house?

[40:31] Did anybody know?

[40:32] The what?

[40:33] The dress style house.

[40:42] I could also.

[40:42] I mean, I could do a quick search.

[40:44] And the historic properties are, it's really a bear to look through.

[40:51] It's not easily searchable.

[40:56] So I didn't want to have a lot of muscle in it.

[40:58] I certainly should come up with the words.

[41:03] We didn't have cemeteries.

[41:05] Oh, listed, I believe, in our last town plan.

[41:08] Is this coming from our last town plan?

[41:12] There's, I think, there's at least three.

[41:14] individual braze and then the whole cemetery.

[41:19] So on in the, it's lost out there, it's all right.

[41:22] Yeah, this was just, these are four sites.

[41:25] These are three cemetery, so I assume it is a house.

[41:30] So it's hard to think.

[41:32] I think it was.

[41:34] But last time, I'm still different.

[41:39] I think it doesn't mean we're

[41:43] going to have three.

[41:44] And

[41:52] we don't have to list the the cemeteries at how it would turn out.

[41:57] It's clearly.

[42:04] Yeah.

[42:05] Oh, we're going to ask for that information.

[42:27] Right.

[42:28] So we have to mention, and I mentioned early in the meeting,

[42:33] that equipment section on water quality.

[42:35] I put this to the end of the section.

[42:40] So just listing a few that is water resources,

[42:42] It's mentioning a tactical abacent plan and some of the strategies that are included in that plan.

[42:58] So if there are any changes to this section, let me tell you.

[43:08] Yeah.

[43:08] I'm talking about war quality.

[43:11] There's a long sentence that I think is to me, in which totally wrong.

[43:18] This is many lakes, including echo lake, rescue hammers all flow into the black river.

[43:27] That's not true.

[43:29] The black river originates of black pond and runs down into Ludlow.

[43:35] And there's areas where it's widened and it's called a lake.

[43:41] But the reality is it's a river, the black river, the whole way.

[43:46] Let's rescue it's not in.

[43:49] Come on, it's true.

[43:51] That's a lot of directions.

[43:53] I don't know.

[43:54] Let's go.

[43:55] Let's go.

[43:58] Let's just do this.

[44:01] You know, it doesn't go straight.

[44:03] It doesn't go straight.

[44:04] It doesn't go straight.

[44:06] It's a river.

[44:07] It's true.

[44:08] It starts here.

[44:09] Why?

[44:10] It's a lake where it widenes.

[44:13] But the black river runs through.

[44:14] they don't run in two platformers.

[44:17] OK, so we could say the back river runs through

[44:25] Echnolake and Amherst, I think, as it flows down to the low.

[44:33] It starts with Amherst, goes down to the low.

[44:36] And rescue is not important.

[44:39] Yeah, I have to be rescue.

[44:41] You understand that God.

[45:28] Okay.

[45:46] Great. Glad that's cleaned up.

[45:58] And then just brief description of basic planning.

[46:06] And then we, typically, you have a goal, and you can see as much to our quality section. So, one of the state planning goals is to identify, protect, and pursue our same law resources, including, like, servers,

[46:19] offer for sure lands and weapons so if that is a placeholder is a cool is it the state kind

[46:28] of handle that for us now and all anything to do with water they have any handle most of

[46:36] the lower part of the tactical base and plans are that I think money broke as a goal to clean

[46:41] up the organization for the destroyer can you leave out to identify I think they've all been pretty

[46:48] you're done behind. Yeah, this has just been protected as cool. Okay, I do. You

[46:57] preserve and protect.

[47:06] And then we'll want to policy to go with that.

[47:14] I just came

[47:15] up with policy idea just to get started to maintain and improve the water quality

[47:25] from the smaller ways. It's short, not poetic.

[47:33] It isn't policy at this end to you.

[47:37] How about to maintain or to say, and improve them, you have to.

[48:12] And then the last one is there are three sources.

[48:17] Is that a policy of the town, in fact,

[48:22] to preserve

[48:26] about the water's quality?

[48:28] is that, do we have that in our down plan now, or are you thinking of adding that in?

[48:36] It's in red.

[48:38] It's something that I've just put in now.

[48:41] So there wasn't a policy.

[48:44] Well, I'm not so sure.

[48:47] I'm not sure.

[48:49] It's necessary to put it in there.

[48:51] I don't think it's something.

[48:55] Maybe as you say, it is the intent of the town.

[48:59] He had a quote of policy, you know, makes it like what we have to start to stop him now.

[49:08] It's not, I mean, it's not, it's just the town's stance on, do you want to or be clean?

[49:17] Well, I don't make policy for the town.

[49:20] I mean, as the commission, you know, we're going to write a policy.

[49:25] But I mean, from my personal standpoint, I think taking on a pretty big project there,

[49:35] to improve the water quality of women's waterways, you do that.

[49:42] I mean, what can anyone do to improve the water quality of what the rivers and the lakes are?

[49:53] So as an example, I mean, you have the farm brook flow planaristeration.

[49:57] We have what the bio to farm brook, and then the flow planaristeration after that.

[50:03] That is different into the water quality at that location.

[50:09] So, I mean, this is just part and parcel of trying to keep the rivers functional.

[50:17] If there's an issue with flooding, generally that gets addressed, something else.

[50:23] And then after two, I think he had huge fishies, so I think with the example of Park Brough,

[50:31] you have a wider foot plane, you have the willows that can put in to the rewards to kind

[50:40] of protect the bank.

[50:41] That was a state of mind, that was a state of mind, that was a state of mind, that was a state

[50:47] of mind, that was a state of mind, that was a state of mind, that was a state of mind, that

[50:49] It's not, it's the town walls.

[50:54] Well, no, but what I'm saying is a policy is not action,

[50:57] but the town is necessarily taking its the stance of the town.

[51:01] Why don't we say to encourage, okay?

[51:05] It is a policy that the town's going to encourage

[51:07] and maintain something along the lines.

[51:11] We don't want to say it's the policy of the town to maintain.

[51:15] It's not.

[51:19] It's never been a policy of the town to maintain waterways.

[51:23] ways. The state may have that policy, but they're really after protecting their highway.

[51:32] Not really. The waterways. The state has full control of all the waterways. The start?

[51:38] So, then my question is what would you want for policy? Nothing. That's neat, you know?

[51:49] They're all right.

[51:50] I'm not going to hear other people.

[51:52] Yeah.

[51:52] I mean, it's sort of an protection act.

[51:55] It's...

[51:55] Except ecosystems, right?

[51:58] It's all the stuff.

[51:58] I don't know.

[52:00] The other thing we've done in our zoning is had some things to do with the floodway.

[52:05] Well, except ecosystems are state-of-the-day.

[52:07] Right.

[52:07] So yeah, so the point is making.

[52:09] In the town, there's some people in the town trying to do with cleaning money from them.

[52:14] That's not because it's written in our...

[52:16] No.

[52:16] in our room. It's not a positive thing on their own and trying to get the states help.

[52:22] It sounds like the town is supportive of those clean water.

[52:25] I guess I'm just saying, like, when it's doing it without having it ripped.

[52:30] I'm sure everybody's boarded of clean water, but not to the extent, but we are trying to be policy that could end up costing money.

[52:42] It's all about money. Right, and that policy wouldn't lead to the town of having to take on any projects.

[52:48] Well, then why put it in there?

[52:51] Because it's a stance of the town.

[52:53] It sounds good.

[52:54] It's your stance.

[52:56] I'm just, I understand it's a stance of the town.

[52:58] It sounds, no, no, no, I'm re-in with you.

[53:02] Well, people, no, I guess it seems interesting to me,

[53:08] because the alternative is not for clean marks,

[53:14] but no, the alternative is status quo, which is fine.

[53:20] So, yeah, we don't need that of policy in there.

[53:29] Okay.

[53:29] Oh, no, aren't you?

[53:29] Any more?

[53:30] You know, leave this up to whoever makes the designs that will load under

[53:35] at some point.

[53:38] The, I didn't notice that there's no goal in our three sort of

[53:46] Typically, you kind of go from, you start with the goal, which is that

[53:50] of future desire and state, and then you go to something a little more specific, which

[53:59] is more of the

[54:03] kind of distance of the town, in terms of we, in this case, the town of

[54:08] discourages the unstable attraction, if there's earth resources, then the recommended

[54:13] action is, okay, well, how do we do that, you know, what is our implementation thing?

[54:17] We discourage this thing from happening. How do we put that into practice?

[54:28] So it doesn't have to go in here for an argument. We need anyone. It's not

[54:34] required, but

[54:38] I'm starting to get feedback on my computer.

[54:46] Oh, Frank, okay. I better.

[54:51] When you say potential sand and gravel reserves should be identified and set aside for future use

[54:58] He's talking about public property,

[55:05] private property, the house he has, an operation up on

[55:10] Ralph 100.

[55:12] Yeah.

[55:12] Gravel extraction.

[55:15] Yeah.

[55:15] And I don't think anybody's going to go into competition with that.

[55:19] He's got to hold them out and get to dig up.

[55:22] There is an any gravel extraction really in plumber, right now, that's all rock.

[55:27] That's all rock.

[55:28] That's all rock.

[55:29] That's all rock.

[55:32] And based on that new land use map there never will be we'll have to go through accurate 15 stuff.

[55:37] The states come and show that they even shot existing ones down and some don't for a fact.

[55:46] So I don't know how do you preserve something that you know I know what you're saying.

[55:51] I don't preserve something that can't happen unless the state allows it.

[56:03] is anybody's coming at those open?

[56:05] They're really fights with the state to keep them open.

[56:10] So I'm not sure what time.

[56:11] I'm not sure what that means.

[56:13] I don't see any issues with after resource extraction.

[56:22] I'm not quite sure what we're getting at.

[56:28] But I just don't know if this stuff is out of our control.

[56:31] OK, that's kind of like what I said about the waterways.

[56:35] It's all controlled by the state,

[56:41] it's hard to set a policy on something that you have no control of.

[56:46] What's the matter with you, sir?

[56:49] Well, I was just mentioning there's no goal in the United States, but you don't have to.

[56:56] You've got policies or recommendations.

[56:58] I'm saying if all those you have a goal that has that desire to future state, the policies are more specific,

[57:05] and the actions come to be that.

[57:08] I don't know necessarily what was meant in the recommended action, but where those potential

[57:16] sand and gravel reserves.

[57:18] And who did I get applied?

[57:21] I don't know.

[57:22] This is going to support back and do two to that.

[57:24] Twenty-nine-team.

[57:26] Two orders and put them near the gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel,

[57:33] gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel, gravel,

[57:36] Yeah, so I don't know what the intent was of that action

[57:44] Please let's say to keep them open

[57:48] It was like Ralph's grab a bit

[57:51] That was the opposite

[57:54] That was the opposite

[57:57] That was the opposite

[57:57] That was the same

[58:06] That was the same

[58:07] That's the same

[58:10] Should

[58:14] we get rid of that recommended action

[58:16] Because it says identify

[58:17] I don't, it's not clear to me who's been identified that.

[58:21] Well, yeah, it's time, I mean, it's not clear to me whether it was for necessarily.

[58:27] We've all read, you know, we've addressed this in our zoning regulations already,

[58:36] the extraction.

[58:37] So, I mean,

[58:42] so to have the policy, even for something that's already there, does that make sense?

[58:51] Yeah, well, I mean, there needs to be language in the plan addressing it, mineral and earth resources extraction.

[59:02] So I think having these policies and this is good.

[59:07] Whether it has an impact on

[59:14] these resources are and what is a different story.

[59:18] Well, and I think having you didn't hear at least, you know, your zoning starts with the town plan.

[59:28] So when you're addressing all these criteria, then you go into deciding that's where you do the little regulations and you can get specific.

[59:41] There are some regulations, specific that we'll ever get, and it's there, it's un-deal.

[59:50] So this is almost like what justifying the regulation that's already there.

[1:00:00] You can't adopt something without a town plan. I know. And the zoning has to align with the town plan.

[1:00:12] So, if we have a zoning regulation, as it is, on what you can or can't do, this is invilding more than anything else, which you can do on your property when it comes to putting up a building.

[1:00:30] house, for instance.

[1:00:34] It got here because somewhere along the line it was in a town plan.

[1:00:41] It had to be in the town plan or become a regulation. The town plan is brought. So the

[1:00:50] town plan will say, instead we value these areas in particular and so maybe you say we want

[1:00:59] protection for this. So, maybe in the zoning you do in an overlay where those that

[1:01:05] extra protection is baked in. But you're not necessarily, you're not putting that

[1:01:10] specificity in a town of lamb.

[1:01:14] Well, I don't want to look at the computer there. Yeah, it's like if you wanted to make sure

[1:01:23] your zoning is up to statute. You would just say in the town plan, and sure

[1:01:28] as I think is continuously updated to a line of state statute, something like that, as an action.

[1:01:37] It looks like we were going to remove recommended action.

[1:01:47] 10 minutes left. Yeah, I'm not able to touch that little box if you could do that.

[1:01:56] Yeah, thank you.

[1:02:00] So it looks like we were going to remove this action.

[1:02:04] You know, I think we should if somebody just bought five acres and they want to build a house and then they find out that I would set aside for future use for this

[1:02:15] Grabble thing

[1:02:17] You know just

[1:02:19] Yeah

[1:02:20] That we will say farm in here. This is a fine

[1:02:23] Yeah, you know just opens up a lot of gray areas

[1:02:27] I don't see where we need

[1:02:29] Not to pick on you job

[1:02:30] So you can't get into the grabble business

[1:02:35] Okay, so we've reached the end of that chapter.

[1:02:42] How can I just say something?

[1:03:21] Yes.

[1:03:47] So I'm just going to scroll down to the bottom, so everyone can see the key, it's fairly straight forward, the ground lines are the natural

[1:03:57] The hydrogen sites, the green is the, are the forest blocks, and the purple are the deer

[1:04:07] wintering areas.

[1:04:08] I'm sorry.

[1:04:10] So this one.

[1:04:11] The deer wintering areas.

[1:04:19] And you can see it's listening a lot of those.

[1:04:22] There's higher peaks of lubricary hill.

[1:04:25] East mountain, burnt mountain.

[1:04:27] There.

[1:04:28] There.

[1:04:40] And this optimal list, the community is like, if it's a client community, it'll give a pretty big circle is you don't generally, you don't get the specific location of it.

[1:05:02] So that circle, the one circle on this map is that little far that's over on the south end road.

[1:05:10] I don't know. Usually, it's not listed, it's just a specific, significant. Like, plant

[1:05:18] community,

[1:05:22] or...

[1:05:22] There's another one there.

[1:05:25] It's a circle and middle of the pond.

[1:05:28] Well, there's a...

[1:05:29] It's actually between there, too.

[1:05:33] What is it between both legs?

[1:05:36] It's a piece of land.

[1:05:39] In the circle.

[1:05:42] They're usually, they're not, it's specific, species is invested

[1:05:49] because it is rare

[1:05:51] if you're at a very dangerous point to be made more so.

[1:05:56] Yeah.

[1:05:56] You have spotted wood chuck.

[1:05:58] It might be a turtle.

[1:05:59] Could be this between the water.

[1:06:03] So this is the, you know, it's, we'll see if the deer went to an area,

[1:06:09] the data layers are not dated or just update those if they're newer versions of them.

[1:06:18] There's loads of folks to go there, they're going to get a copy of them out of the pool.

[1:06:24] Well, they tend to be areas that are suitable for deer and they want to have less of a snow pack and easier for them.

[1:06:33] It's using green to come, yeah, it's me, hemlocked me, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, the last thing I wanted to touch on,

[1:06:42] just be a bit more important, is the public forum that will be October 6, would be starting at 6.

[1:06:56] Yes, okay.

[1:06:57] We don't have hearing news and news we use hearing also, but that will be

[1:07:03] the past of the public forum.

[1:07:09] So I'll try and keep it shorter.

[1:07:13] No.

[1:07:15] I was going to give a brief presentation, maybe that, I'll try and keep it to 15 or to 20 minutes.

[1:07:21] Okay.

[1:07:22] And then we don't get up to questions, it would just be on, you know, with a town

[1:07:27] and use four of it in foods.

[1:07:30] Who writes it? Well, how often he sees the update? He's like that.

[1:07:38] And then the goal is to get feedback from people.

[1:07:44] Holdings sent me the survey questions. And I was able to plug them into a digital format for surveys.

[1:07:57] So it's something that you can use as well, if you wanted to.

[1:08:12] So this is what we look like from a time when I'm surveyed,

[1:08:18] you know, we'd show the

[1:08:19] different questions.

[1:08:24] And Elaine, I separate it out because what you had sent me was, but, um, Rose, what do you

[1:08:30] do?

[1:08:30] Rose had been together and I separate it out a few, um, because one of them was like, based

[1:08:38] on importance and the other was based on level of agreement.

[1:08:41] Oh, we would choose between which of those.

[1:08:46] So I actually, some of them seem to fit well with importance.

[1:08:50] The cut couple would be a good idea. You separated them in.

[1:08:54] And two of them seem to fit well with agreement.

[1:08:59] So like the police protection, do you agree with your disagree on this too?

[1:09:08] Where's the others were like how important are these or are you

[1:09:20] I'll just start on one and let me know

[1:09:23] Well find out

[1:09:26] Yeah, we have the vote when you get the people a lot of people want to McDonald's

[1:09:31] Yeah

[1:09:33] Then start book

[1:09:34] I think Frank Frank has a comment on mine

[1:09:40] Is there

[1:09:58] you have

[1:10:15] I was I was torn by that because

[1:10:18] with the way in this it's like it's not one it's not like I agree or disagree

[1:10:25] it's more this is most important to me and this is least important to me and

[1:10:31] the neutrals more and they're really having a opinion so I initially had

[1:10:39] put in the middle but then I'm looking me important some of the important neutral very

[1:10:47] Yeah,

[1:10:58] well, I did that down here on the second one, I guess we could, I think.

[1:11:09] I have this too.

[1:11:11] I have this too, because you have this degree.

[1:11:13] You were so good at it.

[1:11:16] That's a great integration.

[1:11:18] That's a great integration.

[1:11:19] That's a great

[1:11:21] integration.

[1:11:22] This agrees somewhat disagree neutral

[1:11:25] A great strong integration.

[1:11:28] That sounds like a natural approach.

[1:11:33] Then I can put that in.

[1:11:36] It's not something of time.

[1:11:38] But that's here.

[1:11:39] These two important, somewhat important,

[1:11:42] don't care.

[1:11:44] Very important.

[1:12:58] Can you just change those?

[1:13:02] like the better way to go. Did you want a neutral after something?

[1:13:08] A neutral would be number three, be in the middle. Okay. A neutral being the middle.

[1:13:13] And have all the same? Yeah.

[1:13:16] And then switch to the stronger.

[1:13:17] Strongly disagree, disagree, neutral.

[1:13:23] Well, definitely agree, and it's strong.

[1:13:25] You can have disagree somewhat.

[1:13:28] It doesn't look good.

[1:13:29] All right.

[1:13:29] This might keep the consistent with this, but this is seem useful as a way to get inserted as people.

[1:13:43] Yes.

[1:13:44] I can go ahead and make those changes.

[1:13:48] And then I put the other questions down here.

[1:13:52] Just broken down into three questions.

[1:13:56] And then people who just typed in.

[1:14:09] And I think that was all,

[1:14:13] that number three and number four pretty closely related, aren't it?

[1:14:30] All right.

[1:14:30] A-R.

[1:14:31] Yeah.

[1:14:33] Right.

[1:14:34] And what do you know?

[1:14:35] And what do you know?

[1:14:36] Yeah, that could be combined.

[1:14:57] OK.

[1:15:00] Thank you. Great.

[1:15:05] Awesome. Thank you. Well, I'll finish putting this together.

[1:15:14] I didn't touch anything.

[1:15:23] The last thing I have here is the form booster.

[1:15:32] Okay, and I have just a printout of the copies.

[1:15:40] Good morning, George.

[1:15:42] Good morning.

[1:15:44] Well, it's not done yet, so this is more of everyone to look at.

[1:16:17] Do you want to change the 6 to 7 30 p.m. evening?

[1:16:21] I'll do like 6 to 7.

[1:16:24] I'll bring some light refreshments, usually like apple cider and cookies.

[1:16:32] I'll change it from 6 to 7 when there is a zoom link.

[1:16:36] I can put that on a poster.

[1:16:40] I'll just need a copy of the zoom link to plug it to the poster.

[1:16:45] Okay.

[1:16:45] I'll put down the bottom

[1:16:50] and then this, I click the QR code so people can go to the survey

[1:16:57] and want to do it that way.

[1:16:59] I think just having it on the website too would be useful if people are not, they don't like

[1:17:05] QR codes or just want alternatives, have like a frantic copy in the town office, some frantic versions,

[1:17:13] and then have like a digital version on the town website, they can fill it at that way or in print.

[1:17:25] But Elaine, and maybe you'll have to touch base with Rose.

[1:17:30] Well, I just want to make sure that the print version is exactly aligned with the digital

[1:17:36] because when people fill it out, you want to make sure we have all the same rose.

[1:17:40] It's like strongly disagree, disagree, so there's someone who fills it out on paper.

[1:17:48] They're not going out slightly different version because it's a different question.

[1:17:53] So, the paper version should be the same as the online version, which you'll see for the site.

[1:18:03] For the survey.

[1:18:05] Yeah.

[1:18:07] So, like, the paper one didn't have the neutral.

[1:18:11] Right.

[1:18:12] And that was a conservation.

[1:18:14] It also, I think, you're going to add a couple of extra, like, for the disagree.

[1:18:19] We're not strong.

[1:18:20] We disagree.

[1:18:20] Oh, yes.

[1:18:21] So when you have, when you change that, I can send it to you.

[1:18:26] You can just copy down.

[1:18:29] It's just to make sure that you bail on.

[1:18:33] You're going to get this, for you to soon.

[1:18:36] Yeah.

[1:18:37] I can probably do this tomorrow.

[1:18:40] Okay.

[1:18:40] Tonight.

[1:18:42] And I get home further than I do.

[1:18:45] On this kind,

[1:18:47] We mentioned in their reading time for questions, it's not mentioned that there will be a possibility

[1:18:55] of the public asking questions.

[1:19:00] Okay, I can add that in the paragraph at the top.

[1:19:05] All your questions will be answered.

[1:19:10] Yeah.

[1:19:10] We'll find out.

[1:19:15] It's not kind of what public form means, though.

[1:19:19] I think they should be pretty sensitive to that right now.

[1:19:26] Joseph, town plan.

[1:19:28] Yes.

[1:19:29] It is.

[1:19:30] It is for it.

[1:19:31] It's about the town plan.

[1:19:33] It's not about it.

[1:19:34] It's our town plan.

[1:19:35] Not the plan for the regional.

[1:19:38] Yeah, you know.

[1:19:39] But I don't

[1:19:46] want to just be presented information.

[1:19:48] I want to have the option to be able to ask you much.

[1:19:52] So we'll make that clear on the poster.

[1:19:55] otherwise

[1:20:01] I'll change 6 to 7 but everyone think otherwise it looks good

[1:20:26] and then this

[1:20:26] is going to be

[1:20:29] going the website.

[1:20:35] That's all I got. Thank you.

[1:20:42] Now did you speak or do you want to speak to Marbo with regards to putting a book in me?

[1:20:49] I haven't talked to Margo yet because I was going to wait for that.

[1:20:56] I just get everything solidified, I can reach out to Marko.

[1:21:03] Okay.

[1:21:04] It's something.

[1:21:08] The warning will go in the Vermont journal, but I think we probably could get something

[1:21:13] without any blinds, I said.

[1:21:16] That's okay.

[1:21:16] That's what I can know.

[1:21:19] And then we don't necessarily need the air for the poster.

[1:21:23] but soon-ish we'll want that meeting link.

[1:21:30] We'll want this new link.

[1:21:32] Okay, and the new link is what is,

[1:21:35] we're talking about what's on the agenda.

[1:21:38] Yeah, it's a point of point of time.

[1:21:41] Oh, okay, it's on the agenda.

[1:21:43] Great,

[1:21:49] great.

[1:21:49] That's it, don't do it too easy,

[1:21:51] as soon as it's on the agenda.

[1:21:53] Okay.

[1:21:54] It's a draft app.

[1:21:56] We're the only ones who can have them.

[1:22:00] nice poster a little clumsy but nice don't like it

[1:22:07] I'm worried I think if I need the meeting will we be

[1:22:11] strength right okay I'm not sure what else we have it looks like we've

[1:22:19] covered everything on our agenda anybody have any comments or anything

[1:22:26] and like to bring up.

[1:22:30] Okay, motion, motion, adjourned. Thank you all for coming.

Plymouth Planning and Zoning Board 9/1

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