[0:00] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[0:03] Pardon, pardon.

[0:05] I'm sorry.

[0:07] Oh, he's come.

[0:08] He just spoke and writing to the assistance.

[0:33] All right.

[0:34] After 9 o'clock, let's get started.

[0:37] Welcome everybody.

[0:38] The record reflect that Dan Boy is not here today, but he did send his comments.

[0:44] We'll introduce those into the record later.

[0:47] We have one case today, case M-I-2025-4-H-P-A-F-S-N-L-L-C, still a lot of reserved minor subdivision.

[0:58] Located on road 500 north, 550 fees, paid road 149.

[1:04] Valparace on your account ship.

[1:07] Zoning is our one of the most densities in the family residential.

[1:10] Our request is a primary platform for a lot of minor subdivision.

[1:14] Good morning, everyone to introduce yourself here today to address this in the state

[1:18] of your case.

[1:19] Good morning, Kevin Coros, McManus Associates, nine, five, two, south state road

[1:23] two, about Brazil in Indiana, 46385, with me is good.

[1:29] Yeah, Zach Marvel, helping with the development, you want home and address or business

[1:33] and address?

[1:35] I'm sorry.

[1:36] Home address or business address, fitness, this one.

[1:38] Yeah, 451 in the South Washington, the street bell for ASO, 46383.

[1:43] So we're here to get the RC approval for a lot of my

[1:48] our subdivision on County Road 500 North.

[1:53] As you guys know, we have received an engineering letter

[1:57] of performance on May 22nd, 2025 and planning

[2:02] performance on June 4th, 2025.

[2:05] We also have been dealing with aqua in the M.A.

[2:09] We have a will serve letter from them on February 3rd,

[2:13] 2025, and we also have notification from ECU, regarding their allowance of the acceptance

[2:22] for Auckland and the other to service this area on March 7th, which was then memorialized

[2:27] on March 11th at their board of directors meeting. So we have everything in place there.

[2:35] What you see on site, again, is a four-lot minor subdivision with a drainage pond that

[2:43] located in the the go on the west side of the property, some drainage infrastructure on the

[2:51] south side of the property, and on the east side of the property, a private ingress,

[2:55] egress drainage and utility easement that runs along most of the east line adjacent to the

[3:02] nipsco highway line, the property to the east of that. We end in a hammerhead on the south side of

[3:11] three, allowing you access to all lots. This property has been reviewed by Aqua and Eama for sanitary sewer,

[3:20] and we're here to receive any of the comments that you guys have, and address them as such.

[3:28] Very good. Great. More shuttle.

[3:31] Yeah, I would indicate that our office received the initial,

[3:35] The middle on this project, March 18th, 2025, and a conformance letter was issued on the

[3:42] engineering side on May 22nd, 2025 after the design comments were addressed.

[3:50] Issues to point out would be, or next, I would say, from our end would be, we have a

[3:56] note in a letter that indicates that they have already applied for a ESC permit that would

[4:01] reviewed once they were ready for that step, we would get that full

[4:06] though. We also have a note that I want to point out here from the letter written

[4:13] on May 22, 2025. That says that we know that there are proposed public

[4:18] indoor common improvements that serve the above reference project, such public

[4:23] indoor common improvements should be finally complete, but shall be at least

[4:26] substantially complete. IE ready for their intended use before an application

[4:31] and for secondary platter approval may be considered.

[4:33] If section improvements are not finally complete in application for secondary platter

[4:37] approval, we'll only be considered as the developer warrants and guarantees.

[4:41] I.E. provides a written performance agreement and a company financial guarantee that

[4:45] all such improvements will be finally completed.

[4:48] We get a lot of questions about this comment after the fact that folks get surprised by

[4:53] this when they're ready to start selling losses.

[4:56] Is this a comment that's understood and the expectation for understood?

[4:59] It is, in fact, we just had the conversation up to this book which you guys walked in.

[5:02] So it's understood that the expectations are that the common improvements in infrastructure

[5:07] will be in place prior to the finalization of a group, secondary platform.

[5:13] And remind me again, the only other comment I would have, and this would also be something

[5:18] that gets resolved in secondary, I know that you have the, the easements there on the private

[5:25] drive, what is the plan for accessing the pond?

[5:34] We have an easement set on the south side that can grant access from the Swail

[5:44] over into the pond.

[5:46] I see it.

[5:47] It was kind of, I don't have a half-size sink here, but I so now.

[5:50] okay thank you very much did you that that's all the comments from from my review

[5:58] Mr. Jaybo did you want me to read Dan Boyz letter please stay okay this is from Dan Boyd

[6:03] Environmental Health Director for County Health Department who says on a letter to June 25th 2025

[6:10] the soils on the property are mucked and unsuitable for septic systems since different post-lots

[6:16] or to be serviced by E1, the pressure sewer with grinder pump stations.

[6:20] I do not have any comments or concerns about the wastewater disposal.

[6:24] The proposed private water wells for each parcel will require a well permit from the

[6:29] border county health department, prior to installation.

[6:32] The private water wells will have to have a separation distance at least 50 feet from the grinder pump station on each parcel.

[6:40] So, Kay with that? Kevin? Yeah, I read dance letter last night to he and I talked earlier.

[6:50] With all the hybrids, we don't control over the version of it, but the warn that these are monkey soils.

[6:59] If you really could do your sub-circle storage around the houses, make sure you, you guys

[7:05] maybe even double-sums with the proper construction of the private road.

[7:11] It's up to you with some direction from the private road.

[7:17] But one of the old and privately sustained, I'm going to make sure, well, we need to make sure,

[7:22] And then, for final planning, that there is an agreement,

[7:26] drive will agree that that buys all of the property

[7:30] of those to the snow economy and make the sort of drive

[7:34] we do not need to pick that.

[7:36] I hope I didn't say.

[7:37] I'm sorry, now you're right.

[7:39] I'm having been involved with these private drives

[7:41] from kind of just all these concerns to me that people don't get

[7:46] that information on the front.

[7:47] Do you have a address that you have for these housing?

[7:50] We do not yet.

[7:53] the other one. I think I see Mike and I were just working as you've got proposed 30 foot

[7:59] during the management. Maybe we should add the warrant access to these minutes. That's the way

[8:05] you even tend for us to get back there to maintain. I think we can possibly come off the 500 as well.

[8:16] Yeah, you will have access via 500 after the dedication of the right away. I don't think either

[8:23] anyone will have any issues of the add, ingress, and egress to the drainage section of all

[8:29] these subject to the outside,

[8:34] but you will have access offers.

[8:37] Right on.

[8:37] Kind of drive around.

[8:40] Yeah.

[8:40] The gates are right for the county, and all of them will come out of the

[8:44] private room in case we need to get down.

[8:47] The soil is going to be difficult to manage.

[8:54] But it's too open.

[8:58] It just have to take the additional steps to protect the whole one and the roadway.

[9:06] Yeah, it's probably good to have some kind of work.

[9:10] Absolutely.

[9:11] We're well aware of obviously the soil conditions out here.

[9:14] The good news is the roadway specifically.

[9:17] And I'm sure we'll get into this.

[9:20] here in a minute position of the rug may not only work for visibility surfaces, but the

[9:27] side of the property is the more suitable soil portion of the property. But we have

[9:34] clients aware of some necessary construction techniques that will likely need to take place

[9:41] as part of the building site plan.

[9:43] And lastly, a lot of erosion control will be up to bridge, and the people you were

[9:50] with, that we've got to take that one at length, and it's for your benefit as well.

[9:58] It's a erosion of siltation, that's why I have our group of,

[10:06] Kevin, I'm sorry, with the air,

[10:07] I had our time hearing you.

[10:08] What was the issue that you brought up with the residents which were made to the future

[10:13] a lot and there's to need to understand about the growth. Was it about the aesthetics? No,

[10:17] not the main of the hair in agreement or future maintenance or snow plow. Okay.

[10:24] There are responsibilities financially because that's.

[10:28] In our secondary flat, we'll have a driveway maintenance agreement on who has as mostly

[10:33] seen on these types of plants. It's both in terms of, yeah, and great. I asked because there's

[10:40] one more comment I should have made about this on the aesthetic side. Sometimes when we see

[10:46] developments of this magnitude, you know, for a lot, there is misunderstanding between the

[10:54] eventually the eventual lot owners, not all of our responsibilities, but about the aesthetics of

[11:00] the project. So I just, if you could, when this is getting constructed, please have that conversation

[11:06] and because we do at times receive calls at the county because we will sign off on these projects

[11:14] for a secondary and when folks see that, they don't have the home bill yet.

[11:18] They have an expectation that, oh, my private tribe and they need to diswales this next

[11:22] way.

[11:22] So it's going to look at the golf course on day one and they get upset that it was approved.

[11:26] And it's, oh, my goodness, this isn't like the cover of better homes in Barnesville.

[11:29] Your house isn't even bill yet.

[11:31] And again, we'll work reviewing from this that vegetatively, it's been stabilized.

[11:35] It conveys the water where it's supposed to go, but, you know, it's not us saying that

[11:41] hey, this is, by any type of like beyond that, you know, beatification or they want better

[11:45] vegetation or better, you know, they have an expectation, that's not realistic as to what

[11:50] we're looking for, we bless it, and then any type of beatification beyond functionality

[11:55] will be something that every responsibility is.

[11:58] I agree with you, that's all for the problem, the issue you're often being to is the owner of the north end might decide I'm going to fill in that swell or ditch.

[12:12] I don't like it, and unfortunately it's a private easement. There should be some head restrictions or agreements with the community and the county of how to treat the drainage along the private tribe.

[12:28] there going to be flooding one another.

[12:32] Any more comments, Kevin?

[12:34] Martin.

[12:38] Yeah, I know it's sort of been addressed previously.

[12:42] I am concerned with.

[12:45] You've seen the 200 foot required of that length.

[12:49] I need to get emergency vehicle access to it safely.

[12:52] So, I didn't see my soil points in the area, so I'm going to bore in the area of the private

[12:59] drive.

[13:00] Have those been performed?

[13:02] You guys did, yeah, we, we structural warnings on the site, but we're, we're any of them

[13:08] in the driveway area.

[13:09] Yeah, there was one soil boring probably halfway down the drive, probably closer to two

[13:15] thirds, if you look like kind of where the, between the second and third lot, where

[13:20] that line is.

[13:21] Sorry, we don't have that report with us.

[13:24] Yeah, so it's very close to there within like literally 30 feet, a little bit more north.

[13:30] Yeah, probably right there.

[13:31] Oh, it's under the text and the reason why the private drive is not sure we'll get to that.

[13:38] And why we move the house is up that top shelf way more favorable.

[13:42] So the, I don't know, whatever you call that kind of soil, it was like only four feet of Maxwell

[13:48] soil was there towards the rear side of the property. There were much more unfavorable.

[13:54] So obviously, as the slopes down to the west of the hydrangea soil, it'll become more

[13:58] that again, they're dried in its location, not only served a benefit that are efficient clearance,

[14:04] but the further we could get those residences to the east, the more quality soil they had to build.

[14:13] Okay.

[14:14] So right now, where the residences are was pretty split half and half between the front

[14:20] half being still relatively good soil in the back half, starting to get into the height

[14:25] of your stuff.

[14:27] Okay.

[14:28] So I guess my concern with it would be getting to take their access, emergency vehicles.

[14:34] I would like to see in the report if they had a recommendation for undercutting or something

[14:39] beyond the eight inches of stone we have shown okay yeah we can we can get you that report

[14:47] and we could even make a professional opinion on that. If you could reach at the K&S to

[14:51] provide that what the recommendation is for the whole length of it. That's it. Are you saying you

[14:57] didn't see it in the K&S report specifically?

[15:00] I didn't see Candace's report. Okay, we got about. Okay.

[15:05] Okay. If it's not called out and we'd need to, I'd like to see a recommendation from her.

[15:10] All right, we'll talk to some others.

[15:13] Okay.

[15:14] So, after you have any comments, rich?

[15:17] I was going to mention what Kevin's attention about having access up there off of five, five hundred.

[15:23] So, my only other comment is, within the number of homes that are on that private road,

[15:28] that will get a private vote designation number

[15:32] through nine on the time of determining what that is

[15:35] and the addresses will then come off of that.

[15:38] With that, they'll be required to post a sign

[15:41] at the north end, right at 500, indicating

[15:47] that it's a private vote in that as it's a judge and a very good.

[15:51] So we'll get those numbers for you sometime

[15:56] for the second, you know, for future.

[16:02] Okay, take out streets.

[16:08] Susan?

[16:18] I

[16:24] think, sorry.

[16:26] Go ahead.

[16:26] I think 911 will, and I don't know if the loudest.

[16:31] If you desire a street name,

[16:35] that's, I believe, acceptable,

[16:37] but it will also have to have the number of the three desiccations underneath it, and I guess I'll try to.

[16:51] If that's important, because that telegraphs to the rest of the public, that this is private,

[16:56] that we don't have any dog in the private.

[17:00] Could I miss a one more thing that I'm not our per view?

[17:03] I understand, but I, just my personal opinion, I'd recommend against having basements.

[17:10] We can't really control that to be honest with you, but...

[17:15] Yeah, the plan is, yeah, the plan is of now, it's for slab conditions.

[17:20] No basements.

[17:21] You're always going to have the potential buyer, so that's going to sit down.

[17:26] having some kind of basement, the pressure is on those walls, the water,

[17:38] just because

[17:42] they need to do

[17:43] some very specific can't you, right?

[17:48] Or they should, but we don't have control.

[17:54] Anybody else

[17:54] stay here? Mark, any other further questions? No, sir.

[17:59] I didn't see a recommendation from Kay and that's for the driveway specifically if we just follow up with them.

[18:04] Chair, good recommendation.

[18:05] We'll reach out to them.

[18:07] Immediately here.

[18:08] Thank you.

[18:08] It seems like that's the only condition we're placing on this.

[18:11] It seems like you'd like to make the.

[18:17] The other item was just that I just wanted to know if you're in for it's on your culvert along 500 north there.

[18:25] Just label West and East and for it just to make sure that you know which side which side's lower. I can see on the counter is that it's like that. Have that shown.

[18:38] Is that the only condition? I mean this is being addressed in the secondary class. We're good.

[18:43] All right.

[18:43] I'll make a motion.

[18:45] I'll make a motion that we approve subject to review of K and that's recommendation for a tripod.

[18:50] I'll second that.

[18:52] Okay, we have a motion a second. Any further discussion?

[18:55] On the favor I.

[18:56] I pose same sign.

[18:59] Congratulations.

[19:00] Thank you.

[19:01] Do we hit thank commission still on this?

[19:05] The DRC is the primary approval.

[19:08] Right.

[19:08] And then we'll get you guys that info.

[19:11] Say that again.

[19:15] Oh,

[19:18] just notifying that it had a little support.

[19:23] Okay.

[19:24] Okay.

[19:25] So you don't need to think for a month on this.

[19:27] We get a copy of Dan Boyd's letter.

[19:29] Sure.

[19:30] I have one here.

[19:34] Any other business?

[19:35] Questions?

[19:36] We are adjourned.

[19:37] Thank you guys.

[19:38] Thank you.

[19:39] Time to do our math.

[19:40] We're just second.

[19:41] That's one of those.

[19:42] Yeah.

[19:44] About three years.

[19:46] Yeah.

[19:47] Okay.

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